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[07:27]a0aa: I'm back, I don't have a bouncer, I still have the installation problem with installing trinity on devuan (no installation candidate) and debian (one source breaking apt update)
[08:19]agneli: a0aa: i am by no means an expert but I did debian/devuan install many times and never had any problems
[08:19]agneli: which debian version are you using
[08:20]a0aa: bullseye, on MX GNU/Linux
[08:20]agneli: and could you paste the link to the tutorial you followed
[08:20]a0aa: I followed the devuan and debian instructions but they are pretty much the same
[08:20]a0aa: I can paste the devuan errors right now if needed
[08:20]agneli: because those are the same system
[08:21]agneli: first let me check what MX linux is :)
[08:21]agneli: are you sure packages are compatible?
[08:21]a0aa: yup
[08:21]a0aa: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/06930d71/
[08:21]tde-bot: Page title: Debian Pastezone
[08:22]agneli: I am looking at your previous paste
[08:22]a0aa: ok, it's the same error, too
[08:22]agneli: for me it looks more like the packages are not necesarily the same
[08:23]agneli: MX is based on debian or on ubuntu?
[08:23]agneli: ok on debian
[08:23]a0aa: debian yes
[08:23]a0aa: MX can't process the 'deps' apt source somehow
[08:24]agneli: from wikipedia: "MX Linux is a Linux distribution based on Debian stable and using core antiX components, with additional software created or packaged by the MX community"
[08:24]agneli: so there is a long chain between MX and debian
[08:25]a0aa: what do you mean?
[08:25]agneli: i would imagine there are quite a few packages that have different dependencies/names
[08:25]a0aa: oh, it's possible indeed, but the source in itself cannot be processed and I doubt it has to do with file names
[08:25]agneli: could you please share your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26]a0aa: sure
[08:26]agneli: I am not sure if that is the proper path/name :)
[08:26]agneli: I see in your paste apt does not find needed files...
[08:27]agneli: for me it means the set of packages is different
[08:27]agneli: I assume (maybe wrongly) you are on more or less surrent version
[08:27]agneli: then my conclusion is as above
[08:28]a0aa: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3e3e9693/
[08:28]tde-bot: Page title: Debian Pastezone
[08:28]agneli: did you pasted you file correctly?
[08:28]a0aa: yeah, you want me to remove to word-wrap?
[08:29]agneli: ok
[08:29]agneli: that would be the best :) but I assume the word wrap is just a formatting thig by paste.debian.net
[08:30]a0aa: there's still some word-wrapping it seems but here you go:
[08:30]a0aa: #/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
[08:30]a0aa: # Trinity
[08:30]a0aa: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x
[08:30]a0aa: bullseye main
[08:30]a0aa: #breaks apt update
[08:30]a0aa: #deb
[08:30]a0aa: http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x
[08:30]a0aa: bullseye main
[08:30]a0aa: deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x
[08:30]a0aa: bullseye main
[08:30]a0aa: deb-src
[08:30]tde-bot: Page title: Index of /trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x/
[08:30]a0aa: http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x
[08:30]a0aa: bullseye main
[08:30]a0aa: OOPS
[08:30]tde-bot: Page title: Index of /trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x/
[08:30]a0aa: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/96db84c8/
[08:30]tde-bot: Page title: Debian Pastezone
[08:32]agneli: is there anything like packages.debian.org?
[08:32]agneli: for MX?
[08:33]a0aa: probably not, I could check the url of their mirrors for their software but I really think it's only their software
[08:33]agneli: i can see only this
[08:33]agneli: https://mxlinux.org/community-repos/
[08:33]tde-bot: Page title: MX Repos – MX Linux
[08:33]agneli: and looking for the fist problematic package yelds 0 results
[08:34]agneli: can you share your full sources.list, please?
[08:35]brocashelm: the only way i know (as with any repo) is to just use apt search package or synaptic -> origin -> mx repo(s)
[08:35]agneli: https://mxrepo.com/
[08:35]tde-bot: Page title: Community Repository
[08:36]agneli: ddg helps ;)
[08:36]agneli: https://mxrepo.com/MX21packages.html
[08:36]tde-bot: Page title: Packages for MX-21
[08:36]agneli: those packages requested by trinity desktop
[08:36]a0aa: my mx.list has a French mirror to their repos
[08:36]agneli: are really not there
[08:36]brocashelm: i use devuan btw
[08:37]a0aa: I use devuan too, the first paste was for devuan
[08:37]agneli: brocashelm: same here sometimes :)
[08:37]brocashelm: :D
[08:38]agneli: but for debian the package is there
[08:38]agneli: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libboost-python&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
[08:38]tde-bot: Page title: Debian -- Package Search Results -- libboost-python
[08:38]agneli: a0aa: i would say tde is just not compaitble with mx
[08:38]a0aa: I also have the same repo in my mx.list
[08:39]a0aa: ok, it's fine for MX, i would like to use trinity on devuan if possible
[08:39]agneli: if you say the paste I am looking was from devuan that is strange
[08:39]brocashelm: yup
[08:39]brocashelm: they got devuan repos
[08:39]a0aa: i am on devuan ceres
[08:39]brocashelm: ^ same
[08:39]agneli: a0aa: this is why I am asking for the full sources.list
[08:39]brocashelm: but switching to daedalus just before it's released
[08:40]a0aa: agneli: sorry, I thought you would only inspect the trinity.list
[08:40]agneli: achhh... :)
[08:40]agneli: i wanted all
[08:40]brocashelm: were you using the standard debian trinity repo?
[08:40]agneli: to see what you are really pulling
[08:41]a0aa: yeah I did not follow any 3rd party repo/tutorial
[08:41]agneli: anyways a0aa I recomend you setup a kvm and test there on various distro
[08:41]agneli: unfortunately I need to focus for 30 minutes or so
[08:42]brocashelm: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions
[08:42]a0aa: I already tried TDE on Dragora and EXE GNU/Linux in VM
[08:42]a0aa: these are outdated I believe
[08:42]a0aa: the instructions
[08:43]agneli: exe comes with tde by default so that is not achallenge :)
[08:43]brocashelm: yup
[08:43]agneli: get a small kvm
[08:43]brocashelm: and as far as the instructions i linked, can't you just change the trinity versions and debian codenames?
[08:43]a0aa: indeed, IDK why devuan can't download the libraries
[08:43]agneli: get devuan ( i can see mx is also systemd free)
[08:43]agneli: and install
[08:43]agneli: once you are comfortable - go full scale
[08:43]brocashelm: mx still uses systemd-shim
[08:43]a0aa: I am talking on devuan ceres right now
[08:43]brocashelm: devuan does not use any systemd
[08:44]brocashelm: i was able to install tde just fine on devuan
[08:44]a0aa: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/06930d71/
[08:44]tde-bot: Page title: Debian Pastezone
[08:44]a0aa: my errors for devuan ^
[08:44]agneli: ceres...
[08:44]brocashelm: apt-get -f install didn't work?
[08:44]agneli: well
[08:44]agneli: unstable...
[08:45]a0aa: brocashelm is on ceres too
[08:45]brocashelm: funny... i got it working on ceres/unstable :)
[08:45]brocashelm: yup
[08:45]brocashelm: been using unstable for years
[08:45]a0aa: will try
[08:45]agneli: of course you can
[08:45]brocashelm: never had issues
[08:45]agneli: but there is no warantee
[08:45]agneli: maybe one package was changed//removed today
[08:45]agneli: it might very well work tomorrow
[08:45]agneli: :)
[08:45]a0aa: can't -f install
[08:45]brocashelm: apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges help mitigate 99% of breakages IME
[08:46]brocashelm: only reason i'm dropping to testing/stable soon is i don't want to update all the time (but i like having more recent kernels/libs)
[08:46]brocashelm: that command did not work?
[08:46]brocashelm: have you tried aptitude safe-upgrade? or aptitude full-upgrade?
[08:46]a0aa: it didn;t
[08:47]brocashelm: it will try to find a working solution for your dependencies
[08:47]brocashelm: what's your sources.list please?
[08:47]brocashelm: also, any specific apt-pinnings in preferences.d that might've affected this?
[08:48]a0aa: never heard of preferences.d if it can help, I'm going to send sources.list
[08:49]a0aa: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/507b2de1/
[08:49]tde-bot: Page title: Debian Pastezone
[08:49]brocashelm: found your problem
[08:49]a0aa: what is?
[08:49]brocashelm: change chimaera to ceres
[08:49]brocashelm: that is why it won't install correctly
[08:50]a0aa: errrm wait a second
[08:50]brocashelm: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x ceres main
[08:50]brocashelm: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x ceres main
[08:50]brocashelm: ^ like this
[08:50]a0aa: I did that because there's no ceres repo for trinity right?
[08:50]a0aa: I thought I checked that... err
[08:50]brocashelm: actually, there is
[08:50]brocashelm: preliminary stable/testing builds
[08:50]a0aa: https://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x/dists/ shows no ceres, that's why I put chimaera
[08:51]a0aa: will update my sources then
[08:51]brocashelm: sorry, should have linked this: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds
[08:51]brocashelm: try it with this repo: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb ceres deps-r14 main-r14
[08:51]a0aa: oh right, thanks
[08:52]brocashelm: no prob :)
[08:52]a0aa: trying
[08:52]brocashelm: the reason why tde wasn't installing was the chimaera packages were too old for your main repo's versions
[08:52]brocashelm: so that should hopefully work
[08:54]a0aa: it works! thanks man
[08:55]a0aa: I wonder why I wasn't aware of this page's existence
[08:56]brocashelm: their wiki can be a bit confusing, but it's definitely there
[08:56]a0aa: maybe it's not cited much / the texts referencing it are misplaced
[08:57]a0aa: also added Dragora to the list of distros that have TDE by default
[08:57]brocashelm: it makes sense, since daedalus and ceres are development branches
[09:12]a0aa: restarting, I rarely go on IRC without bouncer so if I come back it might mean it didn't work xD Have a great day everyone!
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[09:23]agneli: ach... :)
[09:23]agneli: so it was sources.list as I suspected :)
[09:23]agneli: great it has been solved
[09:24]agneli: tde shoudl be on all major distros
[09:25]brocashelm: agreed, but not sure why it isn't packaged externally
[09:25]brocashelm: not even arch or the aur has it
[09:33]agneli: yes, that bugs me as well
[09:33]agneli: maybe some evil energy flowing from kde
[09:33]agneli: in the end of the day tde is there because of their not very great devisions...
[09:34]agneli: but i am so bloody grateful tde is here :)
[09:35]brocashelm: i find i'll eventually switch to it from xfce as i am not liking the direction gtk/qt are going... and gtk2 is dead, anyway
[09:36]agneli: i found it at devuan ascii times
[09:36]agneli: switched immediately and never looked back
[09:36]brocashelm: nice
[09:36]agneli: never had any problems really
[09:36]brocashelm: i converted a friend to tde after he wasn't happy about xfce and the wayland direction
[09:36]brocashelm: he's also on devuan
[09:36]agneli: at least not on devuan ;)
[09:37]agneli: yeah... wayland...
[09:37]agneli: I hope X is not abadoned... I really do
[09:37]brocashelm: same. i'm finding i will get comfortable more with *bsd systems
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