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[15:01]JAGIELSKI: Hello, any living souls here?
[15:02]JAGIELSKI: So, I was considering installing TDE on my openSuSE Tumbleweed, but
[15:03]JAGIELSKI: I don't know if it won't mess my KDE 6.x (Plasma) installation in some way. Like, I don't know if I will be able to go back to what's basically KDE 3.x after being spoiled so much by Plasma, so I don't want to break it
[15:04]JAGIELSKI: before I am confident that I will be able to work well in TDE.
[15:05]JAGIELSKI: Basically, my question is if installing the full TDE won't mess up the libraries that are used by modern KDE.
[15:06]JAGIELSKI: So, any help would be nice (but you're likely asleep so I won't get answer before I have to log off for the day).
[15:06]JAGIELSKI: Ok, my bad, that last part in parenthesis was rude. Sorry.
[15:13]JAGIELSKI: Anyway, just noticed that the logs are kept and easy to access. So even if there's a reply after I have to leave, I think it'll be fine.
[15:13]JAGIELSKI: Anyway, I'm sorry if I seem rude or my grammar/spelling is bad, but I'm tired and I am often grumpy and can't English good when I'm tired.
[15:18]JAGIELSKI: Another note: Since I think this question would be of interest to more people in future, perhaps it should be added along with the answer to the TDE FAQ (in the Notes about installing TDE, section 4 of the FAQ).
[15:34]ceux: JAGIELSKI: im alive
[15:34]ceux: whats up
[15:34]ceux: JAGIELSKI: it shouldnt mess with any KDE6.x stuff, typically the package maintainers stick everything into /opt/trinity/
[15:34]JAGIELSKI: um... ceiling? Also, hello.
[15:35]ceux: so i dont think it'd be a problem, but thats more for those who package it than the upstream development
[15:35]ceux: ex: my konqueror is in /opt/trinity/bin/konqueror
[15:36]ceux: though i am on debian, I dont know much about SuSe.
[15:36]JAGIELSKI: ok, I'll probably use the (official I guess?) repos from this link: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/OpenSUSE_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions#For_openSUSE_Tumbleweed_.28R14.1.4.29
[15:36]ceux: I just dont know enough to give you a for certain answer.
[15:36]ceux: with debians package manager, i can see what files are in a package, if you can do that with RPM based distros, you should be able to see where it installs stuff.
[15:36]JAGIELSKI: I see. Well, things on Debian may be different to openSuSE.
[15:37]ceux: though also RPM should probably complain if 2 packages are in conflict.
[15:37]ceux: so i think you're safe. i just dont want to say you definitely are because i dont know.
[15:37]ceux: is that helpful or
[15:39]JAGIELSKI: Also, doesn't Konqueror have like a really outdated website rendering engine? The only thing I use Konqueror for these days is the file view that shows visually how much space is used by each directory.
[15:39]JAGIELSKI: It's kinda helpful, but I want to wait for someone with Tumbleweed experience just to be extra sure.
[15:40]ceux: definitely i wouldnt use it for browsing the web.
[15:41]ceux: Konqueror is great because every file can have its own rendering widget
[15:41]ceux: so for web, thats the old khtml one
[15:41]ceux: but in konq i can open pretty much anything, a ftp folder, a local folder, an image, etc.
[15:41]ceux: a pdf, etc.
[15:41]ceux: kparts system is nice.
[15:45]JAGIELSKI: How can I contribute to the FAQ? I see there are some really outdated sections there, such as an entire section about using Konqueror to browse the web. It's so old it mentions Java applets and Flash.
[15:46]ceux: it probably would still work for java applets and flash LOL
[15:46]ceux: if its in the wiki, probably just signing up and editing.
[15:47]JAGIELSKI: Like, look at this: https://trinitydesktop.org/faq/webbrowser.php - this should be either removed or retooled into a guide in a FAQ format that tells you what Konqueror is actually useful for and tell the reader in the very first question that one should not browse the web in Konqueror.
[15:47]JAGIELSKI: It's on the main TDE site
[15:49]JAGIELSKI: Okay, I've just googled around and apparently this is basically the old KDE3 FAQ, with a couple of Trinity-specific questions added and hardly any other changes than search&replace of KDE with TDE.
[15:51]JAGIELSKI: So some of this stuff is REALLY old. I am willing to help update it, just need to know how.
[15:54]JAGIELSKI: Also, in regards to your donation page, have you considered adding "buymeacoffee" as intermediary? It allows for both monthly donations (like Patreon) but also single-time ones, as well as it has capability to process merchandise sales.
[15:55]JAGIELSKI: It also is pretty transparent and allows you to show how many people are donating per month and how much money was raised.
[15:56]JAGIELSKI: Not everyone is willing to buy crypto (too easy to get scammed) so having non-crypto option would be really beneficial.
[15:57]JAGIELSKI: It's a real shame that crypto was coopted by scammers, as it would be a really good option for paying for stuff anonymously, but it is how it is.
[16:19]ceux: JAGIELSKI: doubt its about that. international money transfers are still a PITA
[16:20]ceux: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1q52gwsfps0acdg5rdekjhzvch4a6tf5pc036e5z
[16:20]tde-bot: Page title: Address: bc1q52gwsfps0acdg5rdekjhzvch4a6tf5pc036e5z
[16:20]ceux: hopefully that's transparent enough
[16:20]JAGIELSKI: Buymeacoffee handles it pretty well though. I know few people who use it and it works well for them.
[16:20]SlavekB: I admit that this is now waiting for me to establish an association - a legal person who will be able to have an account and receive money.
[16:21]ceux: SlavekB: :)
[16:21]ceux: hi slavek
[16:21]ceux: hope you are well
[16:21]SlavekB: That is why we are currently a bitcoin wallet where there is no need to wait for a legal entity and where we can receive donations now.
[16:22]ceux: JAGIELSKI: you can mail sacks of cash to my house directly
[16:22]ceux: I'll be sure they get to whoever needs it most
[16:22]JAGIELSKI: Hello
[16:23]JAGIELSKI: I see, good to know. As for earlier matters (FAQ and not wanting to mess up my existing KDE6 installation), can you help me with that?
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[17:36]ceux: JAGIELSKI - i i'd give it a go you should be good
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[18:48]JAGIELSKI: So, I've tried to install it and it seems that tumbleweed repo is borked.
[18:48]JAGIELSKI: Problem: 1: the to be installed trinity-desktop-14.1.4-1.osstw.noarch requires 'trinity-tdegraphics >= 14.1.4', but this requirement cannot be provided
[18:48]JAGIELSKI: And yes, I've installed the proper repo, triple-checked it.
[18:49]SlavekB: Tumbleweed is a rolling distribution, so it is potentially "constantly broken".
[18:50]JAGIELSKI: Yeah, but it's on your side, check the error message
[18:51]JAGIELSKI: I don't think anything in default repos provide "trinity-tdegraphics >=14.1.4
[18:51]SlavekB: Yes, of course. Currently, there was updated the "poppler" library, which is known for the constant break of API/ABI, so there is needed rebuild tdegraphics.
[18:52]JAGIELSKI: Any idea when I can try installing again?
[18:52]SlavekB: Every update in the rolling distributions can break something and needs constantly rebuild something.
[18:54]SlavekB: RPM distributions is managed by François. Unfortunately, I do not know if he has already noticed that it is necessary to rebuild tdegraphics again.
[18:55]SlavekB: I have to go. See you later.
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[18:58]JAGIELSKI: bye
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