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[13:10]agneli: Fat-Zer: are you here to same me from my d-bus woes, please? :)
[13:10]agneli: nobody knows how to get the crap working on gentoo
[13:13]Fat-Zer: agneli: what seems to be the issue?
[13:14]agneli: oh my googdness...
[13:14]agneli: evenything
[13:14]agneli: :)
[13:14]agneli: to level issue is the remote files over ssh in libre office
[13:15]agneli: i spent time with source code and lo devs
[13:15]agneli: and it seems that lo uses gvfsd for that purpose
[13:16]agneli: I am banging my head against the wall to understand how to start that daemon
[13:16]agneli: i am using open rc
[13:16]agneli: i have debian trixie live with me with me
[13:16]agneli: and there everything is runnig perfectly
[13:17]agneli: i have d-spy with me on my gentoo and it says my org.gtk.vfs.Daemon is running
[13:17]agneli: https://pasteboard.co/e14DXIWB3jMf.png
[13:17]agneli: i started it manually :)
[13:17]tde-bot: Page title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image
[13:18]agneli: : /usr/libexec/gvfsd -r
[13:18]agneli: as root
[13:18]agneli: this screen was taken as root
[13:18]agneli: I mean d-spy was started as root
[13:18]agneli: but now I have it started as user and I see exactly same pisture
[13:19]agneli: however when I want to connect to the system it says: D-Bus connection failed
[13:21]agneli: what I want to acheive before going back to lo is tis: gio cat ssh://agneli@host0/test_file.txt
[13:22]agneli: and for the moment output is: gio: ssh://agneli@host0/test_file.txt: Operation not supported
[13:22]agneli: strace clearly shows it cannot find d-bus bus
[13:23]Fat-Zer: agneli: well, is dbus itself running?
[13:23]agneli: newfstatat(AT_FDCWD, "/tmp/bus", 0x7ffe60a321e0, 0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[13:23]agneli: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1400321
[13:24]agneli: I hope Slavek will not ban me for off topic
[13:24]agneli: yes the above paste lists my d-bus processes
[13:24]ceux: agneli: step 1. stop using gentoo
[13:24]ceux: I kid, i forgot people still use it though
[13:25]agneli: i started it manually with rc-service
[13:25]ceux: packaging is a PITA in general, something as big as... TDE
[13:25]ceux: agneli: that bus path doesnt look right...
[13:25]agneli: you mean /tmp/bus ceux ?
[13:25]ceux: yeah i guess i could be wrong too
[13:25]agneli: that is default
[13:26]ceux: the issue is the remote files over ssh in libre office... i have o idea if that works with TDE
[13:26]Fat-Zer: agneli: the sesseion bus supposed to be started by session manager (or by a starting script if you start your session manually)
[13:26]ceux: i thought libre has it's own picker system
[13:26]agneli: most ptobably comes directly for the gnome devs
[13:26]ceux: ^ probably true as well. does starttde kick off the dbus session?
[13:26]agneli: i use TDM Fat-Zer fo start my TDE
[13:27]agneli: i guess it is time I kill them all and log out and in
[13:27]agneli: to check
[13:27]agneli: as I have no idea
[13:27]agneli: I never even used d-bus
[13:28]agneli: ach and that will be hmm strange
[13:28]agneli: as killing d-bus closes my torbrowser
[13:30]agneli: ps -aux | grep dbus
[13:30]agneli: root 4860 0.0 0.0 3928 2072 pts/4 S+ 15:29 0:00 grep --color=auto dbus
[13:30]Fat-Zer: AFAIU d-bus is supposed to be start before DM, so better try `rc-update add dbus default` and reboot; also see if DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is set in env
[13:30]agneli: atm it is not set for sure Fat-Zer
[13:35]Fat-Zer: agneli: by the word how do you start tdm? the /etc/init.d/display-manager is supposed to depend on dbus by itslef...
[13:36]agneli: well it worked for me without dbus for years
[13:36]agneli: :)
[13:36]agneli: miracle
[13:37]agneli: and I am using exactly display-manager to start tdm
[13:37]agneli: now OK i added dbus to default
[13:37]agneli: d-spy can now connect to the --system
[13:37]agneli: but this variable you mentioned is still not present
[13:38]agneli: and by the way this story is the fallout of updating to tde-9999 ;)
[13:39]agneli: so by thw thank you so much - it worked :)
[13:39]agneli: busctl --user tree
[13:39]agneli: is empty
[13:39]agneli: nothing there
[13:40]agneli: so I wonder how d-spy finds my bus...
[13:41]ceux: strace it!
[13:46]Fat-Zer: agneli: ok, I can confirm tdm doesn't seem to launch user's session bus... it's a tddm issue
[13:46]Fat-Zer: *tdm
[13:46]Fat-Zer: ads for help np, to be fair I didn't do that much
[13:53]Fat-Zer: agneli: as for now you may add `dbus-run-session --` to /etc/X11/Sessions/tde-14 so it read: `dbus-run-session -- /usr/trinity/14/bin/starttde` or use another DM
[14:04]agneli: but it seems I have --user session
[14:05]agneli: i use TDM it is indeed the best for me
[14:05]agneli: you think that adding thsi line will give me that DBUS_SESSION* variable?
[14:06]Fat-Zer: I thought, but I was wrong
[14:19]Fat-Zer: agneli: better put `eval "$(dbus-launch --exit-with-session --sh-syntax)"` to ~/.xprofile and relogin
[14:19]Fat-Zer: it should do the trick for now
[14:21]agneli: doing it
[14:22]agneli: nothing
[14:23]agneli: but gio looks for the location of the d-bus bus file
[14:24]agneli: in the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR variable
[14:24]agneli: that I have versified looking at the strace
[14:28]agneli: d-spy checks here first
[14:28]agneli: newfstatat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/agneli/.cache/bus", 0x7fffe12d4080, 0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[14:28]agneli: as gio
[14:29]agneli: how very strange
[14:29]agneli: setsockopt(5, SOL_TCP, TCP_NODELAY, [1], 4) = -1 EOPNOTSUPP (Operation not supported)
[14:29]agneli: this message i am getting from gio when I try to access ssh share
[14:30]agneli: connect(5, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="/tmp/dbus-HrvI9Kx8jw"}, 110) = 0
[14:30]agneli: here if finds the probef file but how ti finds it?
[14:30]Fat-Zer: agneli: nothing? DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS disn't appear in the env?
[14:30]agneli: no
[14:31]agneli: env | grep DBUS is empty
[14:33]Fat-Zer: agneli: could you show `grep -rH . .xprofile`?
[14:33]agneli: there is just one line
[14:33]agneli: the one you told me to add
[14:34]agneli: ach OK
[14:36]agneli: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1400332
[14:36]agneli: nothing special I guess
[14:36]agneli: just many tde sources I have already forgorren about
[14:36]agneli: but yeah nothing in my home dir references this file
[14:36]agneli: i have never used it
[14:38]Fat-Zer: you missed an extra dot... and yes, it supposed to be the line above, but I'm asking to check if there are typos or other silly mistakes in .xprofile
[14:40]agneli: .xprofile:`eval "$(dbus-launch --exit-with-session --sh-syntax)"`
[14:40]agneli: i did miss, excuse me
[14:40]Fat-Zer: ok, remove back-ticks ;)
[14:41]agneli: I was wondering what they are for
[14:41]agneli: :)
[14:44]agneli: Fat-Zer: u r an angel
[14:44]agneli: so I have this DBUS* var
[14:44]agneli: and now gio changed the song
[14:44]agneli: it is not operation not permitted anymore
[14:45]agneli: so u fixed d-bus and gvfs
[14:45]agneli: :)
[14:45]agneli: thank you so much
[14:45]agneli: @>--8>>------
[14:45]Fat-Zer: ok, good to here...
[14:45]agneli: but what exactly is the problem... :)
[14:46]agneli: i was battling this for last 4 days
[14:46]Fat-Zer: as I sad above: [16:46:00] <Fat-Zer> agneli: ok, I can confirm tdm doesn't seem to launch user's session bus... it's a tdm issue
[14:47]agneli: ach so I did not totally waste yout ime?
[14:47]agneli: wow
[14:47]agneli: :)
[14:47]agneli: I was already feeling so bad for using your time on an irrelevant topic
[14:51]agneli: ceux: you really hate ppl don't you?
[14:51]agneli: first you made my heard bleed with you remark about my beloved gentoo
[14:52]agneli: and then you proceeded with fatality: strace d-spy!
[14:52]agneli: :(
[14:52]agneli: s/heard/heart
[14:56]pitriss_: [16:51:26] <agneli> ceux: you really hate ppl don't you? //who doesn't hate people these days? :D :D (just joking) BTW he tried to help anyway.. :) And strace is awesome tool.. helped me countless times
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[14:59]agneli: pitriss: you spoiled my joke
[14:59]agneli: at least partial joke
[14:59]agneli: ;)
[14:59]pitriss: :D Sorry.. :D
[15:01]agneli: i do not understand it
[15:01]agneli: gio is not working but lo yes
[15:01]agneli: whatever
[15:04]pitriss: I am still fighting with positioning notifications... that stupid knotify is really PITA... every app can handle dual screen setup.. except knotify..
[15:07]agneli: i am using only minimal TDE
[15:07]agneli: probabaly kmix kcalc is everything I installed extra
[15:07]agneli: ach screenshot as well :)
[15:07]agneli: and my dream would be to remove kate
[15:07]agneli: :)
[15:08]agneli: not a nice lady at all
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[15:23]pitriss: Hehe.. i am using Kate everywhere.. even when I am forced to use Win machines
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[15:23]agneli: win? how?
[15:23]agneli: you installed tde somehow?
[15:23]pitriss: Kate is in ms store
[15:23]agneli: i recall it was possible to install kde on winxp
[15:24]pitriss: or at least it was recently when I needed it
[15:24]agneli: kate compiled fro windoze, please?
[15:24]pitriss: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nwmw7bb59hw
[15:24]SlavekB: on Windows you can do:
[15:24]tde-bot: Page title: Kate - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store
[15:24]SlavekB: winget install KDE.Kate
[15:24]pitriss: :)
[15:26]pitriss: SlavekB: yeah.. and IMO it is the best editor for windows.. It at least properly handle unix files, line ends, encodings.. :) And have decent syntax highlighting when needed
[15:27]pitriss: And best on top of it is fact that I don't need to learn another text editor.. vi, vim and Kate is enough
[15:27]agneli: i have luckily steered away from windoze
[15:27]agneli: use gentoo and vim or die!
[15:27]pitriss: agneli: some companies does not allow to use linux on workstations :)
[15:27]agneli: of course they do not
[15:28]agneli: i told them that eitehr I am getting ryzen based shit with gentoo or ciao...
[15:28]SlavekB: I usually install on Windows Notepad++. I didn't realize that I could install Kate.
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[16:14]agneli: guys what do you gather of rust?
[16:14]agneli: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Rust#Why_dev-lang.2Frust_depends_on_dev-lang.2Frust-bin
[16:14]tde-bot: Page title: Rust - Gentoo wiki
[16:14]agneli: looks like they have signed some contract with ssd makers...
[16:31]Fat-Zer: agneli: by the word, to avoid problems later when the issue will get fixed it'd be better to add a condition to your .xprofile. Something like `[ -z "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ] && eval "$(dbus-launch --exit-with-session --sh-syntax)"` (without back-ticks) should suffice.
[16:32]denk: rust is a modern cuneiform
[16:35]agneli: hic sunt dracones Fat-Zer :) then I will spend another 4 wonderful days looking for the root cause :)
[16:36]Fat-Zer: well... you'll likely won't notice it then, there just will be a second instance of dbus running
[16:37]agneli: :)
[16:37]agneli: I did add it of course
[16:37]agneli: just checking if that -z does not send my root passwd to you :)
[16:54]pitriss: -z zero lenght value IIRC and you compiled it so you should trust your "test" binary :D
[16:56]agneli: that was supposed to be another joke ;)
[17:04]pitriss: mine too :D
[17:04]agneli: :)
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