#trinity-desktop

`*Strangelv sings "Domo Arigato, Mr. TBottu..."`
`kb9vqf`	`Heh`
`kb9vqf`	`That's mine`
`kb9vqf`	`He's OK :)`
`Strangelv`	`"Process keeps dying?`
`kb9vqf`	`I'm still setting it up`
`kb9vqf`	`Getting the logging going and such`
`*kb9vqf notes the configuration file format isn't very friendly`
`Strangelv`	`Noticed that the PID keeps incrimenting`
`kb9vqf`	`Ctrl+C will do that ;-)`
`kb9vqf`	`He won't do anything here for a while`
`Strangelv`	`There's no equivalent for a talk page with FOSWiki, is there?`
`kb9vqf`	`I don't know, sorry`
`kb9vqf`	`I kind of like FOSWiki but I think I may be the only one here who does :-(`
`*Strangelv has also discovered that the markup isn't whath's throwing him -- it's that it saves not the markup but an html version of it, then converts the html back to markup, losing important things along the way`
`Strangelv`	`"What are its strong points?`
`kb9vqf`	`Hang on`
`kb9vqf`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software`
`Strangelv`	`I've tried to use worse. It may actualyl be the second best wiki available, from my admittedly limited and dated experience`
`kb9vqf`	`Scroll down to Features`
`kb9vqf`	`The WYSIWYG editor is one`
`kb9vqf`	`Extensibility is another`
`kb9vqf`	`I also seem to have stopped Wiki spam cold :)`
`kb9vqf`	`And you can't beat the license`
`Piki`	`not many people use FOSwiki, probably not enough incentive to make bots for it`
`*kb9vqf wonders where tbottu is dumping his log files`
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`*Strangelv : http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Artwork/LogoBrainstorm`
`Strangelv`	`What are some of the worst?`
`kb9vqf`	`I like the one on the bottom :)`
`kb9vqf`	`By the way, TQt stands for "Trinity Qt", not "Tiny Qt" ;-)`
`kb9vqf`	`It's anything BUT tiny`
`kb9vqf`	`Qt4 should be called "Tiny Qt"`
`kb9vqf`	`Seeing as it's missing so many features`
`Strangelv`	`"It's open for confusion, and if we call it Trinity Qt it might discourage other developers from believing it would have anything to do with their needs`
`kb9vqf`	`I suppose`
`kb9vqf`	`Well, it's not released yet`
`kb9vqf`	`It can always be renamed`
`kb9vqf`	`The Qt4 variant that is`
`Piki`	`how about sqt: superior qt interface`
`kb9vqf`	`Sounds like squid :-{`
`Strangelv`	`SQt... we could use a radical for a logo. 8)`
`Strangelv`	`"Squid... a radical in a naval uniform?`
`kb9vqf`	`XD`
`kb9vqf`	`Nice and professional, that!`
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`Piki`	`and perhaps at some point program it with some FAQs about TDE and TQt`
`kb9vqf`	`It does have info abilities`
`Strangelv`	`RadKade1 had a bot in gameslink #unreal that kept a list of amusing quotes and would play one back at random. ...it was a bit less business than this one...`
`kb9vqf`	`Heh :)`
`Piki`	`so we can just do "!tqt" and have it display a list of it's FAQs`
`*kb9vqf plays some ut2004 now and then`
`kb9vqf`	`Piki: yes`
`Piki`	`i don't paly games much, occasional pacman or super mario, but nothing fancy or overly-violent, i prefer mild`
`kb9vqf`	`Supertux anyone ?`
`*kb9vqf doesn't play often either`
`kb9vqf`	`But every now and then can be amusing`
`Piki`	`i've played supertux, amusing how they've copied over the super mario conepts so closely`
`*kb9vqf has never played super mario`
`Strangelv`	`'"I've only seen it. I never ad aty console system,s just my father's Aple ][ plus`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: what is tqt?`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tqt' is.`
`kb9vqf`	`He's kind of dumb right now`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: what is tqt?`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: I have heard that tqt is the Trinity Qt Interface`
`Piki`	`kb9vqf: it's one of the all time classics, you're not a gaming fan until you've played super mario, sonic, zelda, and the old arcade classics ;-)`
`kb9vqf`	`Nope, not a gaming fan here`
`kb9vqf`	`Though I do like the older arcade games`
`kb9vqf`	`Bosconian, etc.`
`Piki`	`bosconian? too young to remember that one ;-)`
`kb9vqf`	`Heh`
`Strangelv`	`BLAST OFF! ALLY! ALLY! SPY SHIPS SIGHTED!`
`Strangelv`	`I must admit that even when it first came out I was a littly unnerved that I was fighting an enemy force that lacked projectile technology`
`Strangelv`	`Sinistar was noticelbly less impossible in the arcades than on MAME`
`kb9vqf`	`:)`
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`Strangelv`	`tbottu: what is the capital of assyria?`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'the capital of assyria' is.`
`Strangelv`	`tbottu: Does the wiki have the DebianRepositoryPlugin?`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'Does the wiki have the DebianRepositoryPlugin' might be.`
`kb9vqf`	`He knows nothing right now`
`kb9vqf`	`You can give tbottu information like this: tbottu: The capital of Assyria is Assur`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: The capital of Assyria is Assur`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: ok`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: what is the capital of assyria?`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Well, The capital of Assyria is Assur`
`kb9vqf`	`;-)`
`Strangelv`	`"Actualyl, tehre's moer than one answer. Nineveh, IIRC, was the final capital`
`*kb9vqf wonders if there is a master info bot somewhere`
`Strangelv`	`Mike likes my three gears graphic but is wondering how to make it recognizabel at 16x16px`
`kb9vqf`	`Good question`
`*Strangelv summons teh Master Mold`
`Strangelv`	`My guess is to make the three colors sufficientyl distinct`
`Strangelv`	`"The colors are placeholders. I'm thinking in terms of grabing them from the KDE 3 branding`
`Strangelv`	`It might also make sense to change the positions of the gears`
`Strangelv`	`"Thera re more ideas that I have badly sketched itn oraneg marke,r but I've not created vector graphics for them yet`
`*Strangelv needs to get up and go te the kitchen sometime`
`Strangelv`	`Actually ,looking at the page, there's really only one more I realyl want to spend tim making.`
`Strangelv`	`It's for the built on a solid foundation concept`
`Strangelv`	`A wall with missing portions and whit epaint that amkes for a giant lowercase 't'`
`kb9vqf`	`Sounds good to replace my junky TQT logo ;-)`
`Strangelv`	`Aerl you the one who made teh interim TDE logo?`
`kb9vqf`	`Yes`
`kb9vqf`	`From the original KDE logo`
`Strangelv`	`What source files did you have?`
`kb9vqf`	`The svg source`
`kb9vqf`	`svgz`
`kb9vqf`	`That's it`
`Strangelv`	`"That could definitely help. Where is it located?`
`kb9vqf`	`It's in the kdelibs module IIRC`
`Strangelv`	`"I could grab colors off of that if nothing else`
`kb9vqf`	`Sure`
`kb9vqf`	`It opens fine in Inkscape`
`Strangelv`	`Also I was wondering about the location of the powered on graphics`
`kb9vqf`	`?`
`kb9vqf`	`Where are they used in the Trinity UI?`
`Strangelv`	`during startup`
`kb9vqf`	`Those are usually distro-specific`
`kb9vqf`	`The Ubuntu ones I made from the Ubuntu KDE logo`
`Strangelv`	`It might be something to tinker on iven if it's only for Tubuntu`
`kb9vqf`	`Why not`
`kb9vqf`	`I don't remember offhand where those files are`
`kb9vqf`	`Probably in the kubuntu splash package`
`kb9vqf`	`for plymouth`
`kb9vqf`	`Be warned the color palette is very limited during startup`
`Strangelv`	`is the color palette part of teh image or is trial and error required?`
`kb9vqf`	`Set it to 8 bit and you should be OK`
`kb9vqf`	`It varies from system to system`
`kb9vqf`	`Intel provides a full 32-bit palette`
`kb9vqf`	`nVidia provides the lousy 8-bit one`
`kb9vqf`	`And there's a whole range in between`
`Strangelv`	`Will any 8 bit pallet work or is there a specific one? Have an equivalent of the 256 color safe palette that went out the windowm when only 22 of them, mostly bright greens, worked with 16 bit too?`
`kb9vqf`	`The 256 color one`
`kb9vqf`	`That's the safest`
`*Strangelv grew up with 8 bits for 6 colors on 7 pixels. He can adjust`
`kb9vqf`	`:)`
`*kb9vqf grew up on a very similar system`
`Strangelv`	`Which one?`
`kb9vqf`	`An old 486 SX`
`kb9vqf`	`DOS FTW`
`Strangelv`	`Okay, that's WAAY ahead of what I grew up on`
`kb9vqf`	`Heh`
`kb9vqf`	`What's yours`
`kb9vqf`	`?`
`kb9vqf`	`BTW it was new at the time :)`
`Strangelv`	`When I was 11 my father spent enough money to buy a car on a top end Apple ][ plus`
`kb9vqf`	`Ouch`
`kb9vqf`	`Nice machine though`
`Strangelv`	`48 xB RAM, floating point BASIC, 16 sectored disk operating system and actual floppy driwes`
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`kb9vqf`	`Hey, it works!`
`kb9vqf`	`What bout Bug 67?`
`tbottu`	`Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=67 cri, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESO WORKSFORME, Errors while installing kde 3.5`
`kb9vqf`	`:)`
`*Strangelv claps`
`*kb9vqf will get the logs published on the Trinity website...eventually.....`
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`Strangelv`	`Bug 365?`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: what is TDE?`
`tbottu`	`Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=365 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, GPG Key and Repositories not Accessible`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Well, TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment`
`kb9vqf`	`He's running for good now`
`kb9vqf`	`No more cycling needed AFAIK`
`kb9vqf`	`:)`
`*Strangelv claps`
`Strangelv`	`assyria?`
`<mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-02-04T07:32:21Z">+o tbottu </mode>`
`kb9vqf`	`Doesn't work that way`
`kb9vqf`	`From what I can tell queries have to be directed at tbottu`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: What is assyria?`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'assyria' is.`
`Strangelv`	`"By bug question wasn't but still worked`
`kb9vqf`	`Bugs are treated differently`
`kb9vqf`	`This might not be the best info module`
`kb9vqf`	`I can see if there is another`
`kb9vqf`	`Also, /msg tbottu help is useful`
`kb9vqf`	`TDE?`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: TDE?`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment`
`Strangelv`	`tbottu, what is TDE?`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: I have heard that TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: factoid?`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'factoid' might be.`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: What is a factoid?`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: A factoid is some information about a topic. A full list of factoid commands is available from /msg tbottu help infobot`
`Strangelv`	`tbottu, what's 5+3?`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what '5+3' might be.`
`<mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-04T07:39:06Z">+o kb9vqf </mode>`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate from en to de Hello`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Request timed out more than 50 times`
`kb9vqf`	`Hmmm`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate using google from en to de Hello`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Noooo... That's not the right syntax at all! Try something like 'translate [using (Yahoo\|Babelfish\|Google)] [from (pt\|it\|zh\|es\|ru\|nl\|ar\|en\|zh-CN\|fr\|de\|ja\|zt\|el)] [to (pt\|it\|zh\|es\|ru\|nl\|ar\|en\|zh-CN\|fr\|de\|ja\|zt\|el)] sentence'`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate using Google from en to de Hello`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Language "English" is not available`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to de Hello`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Hallo`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to ru Hello`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: !`
`Piki`	`now i feel like an idiot: kept typing in the name of a file as a part of a command, couldn't find the file, but ls showed it as there. of course, i was was using a "-" in the file name, but i should have been using _ instead lol`
`Strangelv`	`"doh`
`Piki`	`hmm, apparently ru doesn't have a word for hello lol`
`kb9vqf`	`:)`
`Strangelv`	`Is IRC limited to 7 bit ASCII?`
`kb9vqf`	`I think the Babelfish CPAN modules is a bit out of date`
`kb9vqf`	`No`
`kb9vqf`	`There are Russian conversations on here now and then`
`Strangelv`	`"I remember now. Doh.`
`kb9vqf`	`Hence my interest in the translation feature ;-)`
`Piki`	`we get a lot of foreign languages over at ark, most common is de`
`Piki`	`strangely enough, we used to get a lot of spam in russion on our forum`
`kb9vqf`	`Huh`
`Strangelv`	`tbottu: translate using Google from en to es The dashed lines mark the boundaries of the quadtree squares, and indicate that certain half-tiles can be recombined to form three more tiles, including one in which a square is divided into 26 triangles, all having angles of at most 80 degrees.`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: Language "English" is not available`
`kb9vqf`	`The conversations in Russian here are actually the most productive :)`
`Piki`	`and the occassional username in the greek alphabet`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate using Google from es to de The dashed lines`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Language "Spanish" is not available`
`kb9vqf`	`Hmmm`
`kb9vqf`	`Seems quite broken`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to es The dashed lines mark the boundaries of the quadtree squares, and indicate that certain half-tiles can be recombined to form three more tiles, including one in which a square is divided into 26 triangles, all having angles of at most 80 degrees.`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Las l�neas discontinuas marcan los l�mites de los cuadrados del quadtree, e indican que ciertos mitad-azulejos se pueden recombinar para formar tres m�s azulejos, incluyendo uno en el cual un cuadrado se divida en 26 tri�ngulos, todo que`
`tbottu`	`tiene �ngulos a lo m�s de 80 grados.`
`Strangelv`	`That looks more successful`
`kb9vqf`	`More or less`
`kb9vqf`	`I guess use Yahoo for now`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to de The dashed lines mark the boundaries of the quadtree squares, and indicate that certain half-tiles can be recombined to form three more tiles, including one in which a square is divided into 26 triangles, all having angles of at most 80 degrees.`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Die ausgestrichenen Linien markieren die Grenzen der quadtree Quadrate und zeigen, dass bestimmte H�lftefliesen wiederverbunden werden k�nnen, um drei weitere Fliesen zu bilden, einschlie�lich, in der eine ein Quadrat in 26 Dreiecke`
`tbottu`	`unterteilt wird, alle an, die Winkel von h�chstens 80 Grad hat.`
`kb9vqf`	`Now that I can try to read :)`
`kb9vqf`	`Enough fun with the bot for now`
`kb9vqf`	`Back to our regularly scheduled on-topic programming :)`
`*kb9vqf notes you can open a chat with the bot if you like`
`Strangelv`	`tbottu: translate using Google from ru to en перевод ошибка сервера`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: Language "Russian" is not available`
`Strangelv`	`"noted`
`Strangelv`	`What's the topic again?`
`kb9vqf`	`Why TDE of course :)`
`*Strangelv was pondering something more specificg`
`kb9vqf`	`Nope`
`kb9vqf`	`I don't think the bits about the trees, squares, and angles have much to do with TDE though.....`
`Strangelv`	`"well looking for. I don't have a god on eto offer at the moment unless it's to whine about the roadmap`
`Strangelv`	`"it's what I could find that was technical first for testing purposes`
`kb9vqf`	`I kind of figured`
`kb9vqf`	`That's what the person-to-bot chats are for`
`kb9vqf`	`But I don't mind`
`kb9vqf`	`too much`
`kb9vqf`	`:)`
`Strangelv`	`What sorts of things would we need to have in place to call a nw version 3.6.00?`
`kb9vqf`	`I'd like it converted to TQt`
`Strangelv`	`fully working Qt4 support I presume`
`kb9vqf`	`At least at alpha stage`
`kb9vqf`	`The Trinity code itself should be nearly finalized`
`kb9vqf`	`All bugs added during TQt-porting should be fixed`
`Strangelv`	`finalized in what sense?`
`kb9vqf`	`The bit about the bugs`
`*kb9vqf was unclear, sorry`
`Strangelv`	`Always remember: there will always be open trouble tickets`
`kb9vqf`	`It should run correctly under Qt3 and compile under Qt4`
`kb9vqf`	`Of course`
`Strangelv`	`"Stomping out the show-stoppers is important`
`kb9vqf`	`I just mean bugs that were added as a result of the TQt port`
`kb9vqf`	`And show stoppers`
`Strangelv`	`"So you're thinking of modest changes?`
`Strangelv`	`a new grlaphical scheme would be good to have to go along with it`
`kb9vqf`	`A new theme?`
`kb9vqf`	`I suppose`
`Strangelv`	`haven't figuerd out where the GUI widget graphics are located`
`kb9vqf`	`kdelibs`
`Strangelv`	`"New default desktop, but I hope to have one of those before 3.5.13`
`kb9vqf`	`Much of them are painted though`
`kb9vqf`	`I change the wallpaper every release :)`
`kb9vqf`	`Styles are significantly harder`
`Strangelv`	`root@Doomsday:/home/strangelv# locate -i kdelibs`
`*Strangelv doesn't find much`
`kb9vqf`	`Qt3 doesn't really have GUI pixmaps`
`kb9vqf`	`Most GUI elements are painted on via C++ style code`
`tbottu`	`c++ is evil`
`kb9vqf`	`Whoa`
`kb9vqf`	`Where'd that come from??!??`
`Piki`	`LOL`
`*Strangelv withholds judgement on C++`
`Strangelv`	`"I'w assuming it's a default`
`kb9vqf`	`"I never knew anything about 'C++' in the first place!"`
`Piki`	`now i'm wandering about php and html ;-)`
`Strangelv`	`There was a gimmick software program that seemed nice until you found out one of its defaults prevented Winodws from starting -- it seemed to assume everyone was mostly using DOS`
`Strangelv`	`Python is enourmously more intuitive than C++. For that matter, so is C...`
`*kb9vqf wonders if that was the Greeting module`
`kb9vqf`	`It might have been randomly spewing things`
`Strangelv`	`tbottu, what is C++`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'C++' is.`
`Strangelv`	`hmm`
`Strangelv`	`looks like the bot has made itself the topic again`
`kb9vqf`	`Darned attention grabber`
`kb9vqf`	`:-P`
`kb9vqf`	`Back to styles`
`kb9vqf`	`The only pixmaps are for icons`
`kb9vqf`	`Those are in either kdelibs or kdebase`
`kb9vqf`	`I forget which`
`Strangelv`	`root@Doomsday:/home/strangelv# locate .svgz \| grep -i kde \| grep -v kde4 \| grep -v icons`
`*Strangelv gets a short list of wallpapers`
`kb9vqf`	`.png`
`kb9vqf`	`not .svgz`
`kb9vqf`	`Most pixmaps in Trinity are .png`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu, what is C++`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Maybe C++ is wonderful, surpassed only by C`
`kb9vqf`	`:)`
`kb9vqf`	`Much better`
`*Strangelv gets a haystack`
`Strangelv`	`finding no pngs in kdebase`
`Strangelv`	`but thath's with locate, and it could have been moved somewhere completely different`
`kb9vqf`	`kdelibs maybe`
`*kb9vqf is obviously not sure`
`Strangelv`	`I can't fault you for having trouble remembering given how much trouble I have with memory`
`kb9vqf`	`And Trinity is massive ;-)`
`*kb9vqf needs to get some sleep`
`Strangelv`	`And it just dawned on me that /opt/kde3 is the last place I'm going to find the starup graphics`
`Strangelv`	`type at youlater?`
`kb9vqf`	`Sure`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu, what is tbottu`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tbottu' is.`
`kb9vqf`	`tbottu, what is tbottu`
`tbottu`	`kb9vqf: Oh, I know this one! tbottu is your benevolent host and logging droid, capable of giving helpful misinformation, bug status messages, and translations via Yahoo`
`*Strangelv dumps the geteral knowledge base into tbottu and fills up Timothy's HD`
`kb9vqf`	`Hehe`
`kb9vqf`	`Be my guest`
`kb9vqf`	`See how fast you run into my logbot jail ;-)`
`kb9vqf`	`gn all`
`Strangelv`	`"later`
`Piki`	`tbottu: what is your uptime?`
`tbottu`	`Piki: Sorry, I've no idea what 'your uptime' is.`
`Piki`	`wow, bots are amusing when they aren't programmed ;-)`
`Strangelv`	`tbottu, what should I bug you about 365 days a year?`
`tbottu`	`Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'what should I bug you about 365 days a year' might be.`
`*Strangelv snaps his fingers`
`Strangelv`	`There's an Eliza style chat bot that may come standard with LambdaMOO`
`Strangelv`	`"It gets irritating in short order, except for a modified version that someone made with two of them being insecure, argumentive cats`
`Strangelv`	`That just gets owverwhelming as they flood the page arguing with each other`
`Strangelv`	`It does eventually get repetitious as well`
`Piki`	`tbottu: what is TDE?`
`tbottu`	`Piki: hmm... I think TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment`
`Piki`	`i don't think it should think... it should just know... that thinking part might scare people ;-)`
`Strangelv`	`If it calls you Dave or Dr Forbin it's time to run away`
`*Strangelv tries to stand up again. It may be half an hour or more before he returns whn he succeeds`
`Piki`	`eh?`
`Strangelv`	`Dave -- 2001`
`Strangelv`	`Dr Forbin -- can't remember teh name of the movie. Colussus was teh computer, and it decided to take over as world dictator`
`Piki`	`?`
`*Strangelv "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that." -- HAL 9000`
`Piki`	`now you've completely lost me`
`Strangelv`	`You need to watch 2001: A Space Oddessey sometime`
`*Strangelv tries to stand up befoer he gives any more spoilers`
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`TokRa`	`tbottu:`
`*Strangelv waits for the response`
`Strangelv`	`hmm`
`TokRa`	`tbottu: what are you?`
`Strangelv`	`"Has it locked up?`
`Strangelv`	`bug 365`
`tbottu`	`Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=365 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, GPG Key and Repositories not Accessible`
`Strangelv`	`nope`
`TokRa`	`bug 0`
`Strangelv`	`"might not be one of thoes in the database`
`Strangelv`	`"I actualy looked at the list ot be sure. 365 is in bold with red text`
`Strangelv`	`bug 1`
`tbottu`	`Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Landscape PDF printed as portrait (and truncated)`
`Strangelv`	`Wonder if there's any missinsg in sequence`
`TokRa`	`http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-2-released/`
`*TokRa is afraid of the word "Aero" :D`
`*Strangelv gives Amarok far fewer than four stars`
`Strangelv`	`Unity looks like it would look good on a 3" telephone screen`
`Strangelv`	`It might drive me insane on my 23" workstation screen`
`*Strangelv 's workstation screen is not at tthe same level as the rest of his workstation. he needs to findan upgrade one of these months.`
`TokRa`	`BTW, my netbook' http://u.inga.lv/m10.png and workstation http://u.inga.lv/m9.png`
`Strangelv`	`I can't makes as useful a shot. When my left side task bar is deployed it covers my desktop icons`
`*Strangelv tries`
`TokRa`	`:)`
`Strangelv`	`http://dimensionality.com/Strangelv_Workstation_20110204.png`
`TokRa`	`Not bad at all, but fonts are a little oversized`
`Strangelv`	`I sometimes viem my screen from a bit further away than most people`
`Strangelv`	`Also, my eyes aren't as god as they used to be`
`TokRa`	`Oh, sorry`
`Strangelv`	`I remember how fun it was no read tiny small print when I was 12 years old...`
`TokRa`	`:)`
`Strangelv`	`"That's okay, they'll get plenty worse over the next few decades I'm sure`
`*TokRa sometimes wears glasses too`
`Strangelv`	`Mostly it's the distance I am from my screen`
`*Strangelv first got bifocals when he was 21. He should have gotten them 5-10 years earlier.`
`*TokRa sits about a half meter from screen`
`Strangelv`	`:; is presentyl about one meter from his screen.`
`TokRa`	`my vision is -1.75 to -2.00, according to the optometrist`
`Strangelv`	`: don't remember what mine are and my most recent Rx is long misplaced. After getting bifocals I no longer needed new glasses every year`
`TokRa`	`:)`
`Strangelv`	`My current pair is moer than 10 years old -- unthinkable 20 years ago`
`TokRa`	`May I ask about the meaning of "lv" in your nickname?`
`Strangelv`	`In 1993 at a telefundraising job I got pegged as Dr Strangelove by a coworker for my less than optimistic geopolitical projections`
`TokRa`	`i see`
`Strangelv`	`When I first ended up regularly on IRC it was when there was still a limit to how many characters your name could be`
`Strangelv`	`I've also interacted with too many real PhDs to claim being a 'Dr' when I just hawvea measely bachelor's`
`*Strangelv has served on boards of directors and executive committeees with people with doctorates`
`TokRa`	`sounds great`
`Strangelv`	`So what do you get your hands into?`
`TokRa`	`You mean, my occupation?`
`Strangelv`	`That could work`
`*Strangelv heads a tiny computer game company you've never heard of unless you were on teh Quake I gaming scene in 1997, in which case you may have merely forgotten it.`
`*TokRa works as PHP / MySQL programmer at http://insbergs.lv for 5 years yet and holds her little own hosting provider business at http://valsts.lv`
`*Strangelv claps`
`TokRa`	`I study law too in order to get my bachelor degree`
`Strangelv`	`Is than Santa or Det Moroz with the parachute?`
`TokRa`	`earlier I tried to study french philology at the university, but I have realized the philology and the litterature give no passion to me`
`*TokRa is hitech and it addicted`
`TokRa`	`yes, indeed :)`
`Strangelv`	`I had academic and research goals, but the fell by the side in 1997 to work on The Project That Will Make Us All Rich that blew up in our faces in January 1998`
`TokRa`	`the winter version of our coprorate site`
`*Strangelv judges by teh alphabet that it's probably not Det Moroz`
`TokRa`	`It is Дед Мород (Ded Moroz)`
`TokRa`	`Ded (spelled like "dad") means old man / grandfather`
`Strangelv`	`Aokay, I got the transliteration wrong...`
`Strangelv`	`noted`
`TokRa`	`Moroz means "the cold"`
`*Strangelv may also be correctly remembering an incorrect transliteration`
`Strangelv`	`"Father frost`
`TokRa`	`The "Dead Moroz" spelling might be encountered too, by kidding :P`
`TokRa`	`Indeed`
`Strangelv`	`Whom I believe is supposed to have white gloves with three fingers on each hand, and underneath the red coat iz wearing pure while. also if that's Ded Moroz, where's the ice maiden?`
`TokRa`	`mhm?`
`Strangelv`	`I'sn't Ded Moroz supposed to have a female counterpart, teh ice maiden?`
`TokRa`	`yes, she's called Снегурочка (Snegurochka)`
`TokRa`	`According to the slavic (especially russian) folklore`
`TokRa`	`She still has fingers on each hand :)`
`TokRa`	`She still has 5 fingers on each hand :)`
`Strangelv`	`"So what are you working on for TDE?`
`*Strangelv in trying to wokr out what artwokr needs to be done when`
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`Strangelv`	`Hello`
`TokRa`	`Strangelv: I am not working now. Earlier, I hosted the Trinity's ISO images on my servers: http://trinity.lv`
`TokRa`	`Then, after Timothy had got help from University of Idaho, I continued to host them on my own, just to keep the mirroring idea`
`Strangelv`	`"Thank you`
`*Strangelv , when given a choice of servers, usually picks one in a part of the world where it's in the wee hours of the morning, wherever in the world that may be`
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`*TokRa offered the mirroring option about 2 years ago when I needed to get the actual distro with KDE3 and apt.pearsoncomputing.net was down due to the lightning`
`*TokRa has contacted kb9vqf and offered help`
`*TokRa acually is mentioned at http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/contributors/`
`TokRa`	`:P`
`*Strangelv claps`
`TokRa`	`My global policy is to give, not only to get`
`TokRa`	`When I have helped myself, I usually start considering helping the others`
`*Strangelv has spent a bit of time giving content to wikis; does that count?`
`Strangelv`	`"Admittedly, I was involved with most of them coming into existence`
`Strangelv`	`Then there's teh angle of, to quote from Babylone 5`
`Strangelv`	`::: "Who would believe it! The great and powerful Londo Molari got his job becaues NO ONE ELSE WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO TAKE IT!!"`
`TokRa`	`:)`
`TokRa`	`And since I am not familiar with C and system level programming, I cannot unfortunately help the project in other ways.`
`Strangelv`	`"Need/less to say I'm enormously grateful for Timothy Pearson being in charge of this project`
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`*TokRa too`
`Strangelv`	`"I've neer learned teh packaging system, so doing the packages would have required me to stop working on a great many things`
`*Strangelv has prenty of expecie\rience in using it, even with broken packages; does that count? There were times when he was running Libranet and Demian Sid that Sid really _was_ unstable`
`*TokRa guesses that any king of help counts`
`TokRa`	`kind`
`TokRa`	`:)`
`Strangelv`	`"Most of what I know about C++ is out of date. There were a lot of changes with C++98 and I don't know any of those changes`
`Strangelv`	`Mostly I'm here to crank out artwork`
`Strangelv`	`At least as soon as I can find out _what_ to crank out...`
`Strangelv`	`Trying to document these things here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Artwork/Files`
`*Strangelv : http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Artwork/ArtworkFiles`
`Strangelv`	`the first file is a doppelgaenger of some sort.`
`*Strangelv wonders if there's a awy to turn a page into a redirect in FOSWiki`
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`MutantTurkey`	`o/`
`TokRa`	`Hail`
`*toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop`
`toxic_devil`	`hi all`
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`toxic_devil`	`samelian: hi`
`MutantTurkey`	`hi toxic_devil`
`toxic_devil`	`MutantTurkey: hi`
`toxic_devil`	`http://paste.pocoo.org/show/332173/`
`MutantTurkey`	`cmake not configuring right?`
`MutantTurkey`	`line 29: CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:24 (tde_add_executable) line 30: Unknown CMake command "tde_add"executable"`
`toxic_devil`	`MutantTurkey: yes`
`MutantTurkey`	`strange. I do not know`
`toxic_devil`	`MutantTurkey: It's very strange`
`samelian`	`actually is not so strange`
`toxic_devil`	`samelian: это можно как то решить?`
`samelian`	`seems that you don't run cmake on root of kdelibs directory`

*Strangelv sings "Domo Arigato, Mr. TBottu..." kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf That's mine kb9vqf He's OK :) Strangelv "Process keeps dying? kb9vqf I'm still setting it up kb9vqf Getting the logging going and such *kb9vqf notes the configuration file format isn't very friendly Strangelv Noticed that the PID keeps incrimenting kb9vqf Ctrl+C will do that ;-) kb9vqf He won't do anything here for a while Strangelv There's no equivalent for a talk page with FOSWiki, is there? kb9vqf I don't know, sorry kb9vqf I kind of like FOSWiki but I think I may be the only one here who does :-( *Strangelv has also discovered that the markup isn't whath's throwing him -- it's that it saves not the markup but an html version of it, then converts the html back to markup, losing important things along the way Strangelv "What are its strong points? kb9vqf Hang on kb9vqf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software Strangelv I've tried to use worse. It may actualyl be the second best wiki available, from my admittedly limited and dated experience kb9vqf Scroll down to Features kb9vqf The WYSIWYG editor is one kb9vqf Extensibility is another kb9vqf I also seem to have stopped Wiki spam cold :) kb9vqf And you can't beat the license Piki not many people use FOSwiki, probably not enough incentive to make bots for it *kb9vqf wonders where tbottu is dumping his log files *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv : http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Artwork/LogoBrainstorm Strangelv What are some of the worst? kb9vqf I like the one on the bottom :) kb9vqf By the way, TQt stands for "Trinity Qt", not "Tiny Qt" ;-) kb9vqf It's anything BUT tiny kb9vqf Qt4 should be called "Tiny Qt" kb9vqf Seeing as it's missing so many features Strangelv "It's open for confusion, and if we call it Trinity Qt it might discourage other developers from believing it would have anything to do with their needs kb9vqf I suppose kb9vqf Well, it's not released yet kb9vqf It can always be renamed kb9vqf The Qt4 variant that is Piki how about sqt: superior qt interface kb9vqf Sounds like squid :-{ Strangelv SQt... we could use a radical for a logo. 8) Strangelv "Squid... a radical in a naval uniform? kb9vqf XD kb9vqf Nice and professional, that! *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop Piki and perhaps at some point program it with some FAQs about TDE and TQt kb9vqf It does have info abilities Strangelv RadKade1 had a bot in gameslink #unreal that kept a list of amusing quotes and would play one back at random. ...it was a bit less business than this one... kb9vqf Heh :) Piki so we can just do "!tqt" and have it display a list of it's FAQs *kb9vqf plays some ut2004 now and then kb9vqf Piki: yes Piki i don't paly games much, occasional pacman or super mario, but nothing fancy or overly-violent, i prefer mild kb9vqf Supertux anyone ? *kb9vqf doesn't play often either kb9vqf But every now and then can be amusing Piki i've played supertux, amusing how they've copied over the super mario conepts so closely *kb9vqf has never played super mario Strangelv '"I've only seen it. I never ad aty console system,s just my father's Aple ][ plus kb9vqf tbottu: what is tqt? tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tqt' is. kb9vqf He's kind of dumb right now kb9vqf tbottu: what is tqt? tbottu kb9vqf: I have heard that tqt is the Trinity Qt Interface Piki kb9vqf: it's one of the all time classics, you're not a gaming fan until you've played super mario, sonic, zelda, and the old arcade classics ;-) kb9vqf Nope, not a gaming fan here kb9vqf Though I do like the older arcade games kb9vqf Bosconian, etc. Piki bosconian? too young to remember that one ;-) kb9vqf Heh Strangelv BLAST OFF! ALLY! ALLY! SPY SHIPS SIGHTED! Strangelv I must admit that even when it first came out I was a littly unnerved that I was fighting an enemy force that lacked projectile technology Strangelv Sinistar was noticelbly less impossible in the arcades than on MAME kb9vqf :) *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv tbottu: what is the capital of assyria? tbottu Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'the capital of assyria' is. Strangelv tbottu: Does the wiki have the DebianRepositoryPlugin? tbottu Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'Does the wiki have the DebianRepositoryPlugin' might be. kb9vqf He knows nothing right now kb9vqf You can give tbottu information like this: tbottu: The capital of Assyria is Assur kb9vqf tbottu: The capital of Assyria is Assur tbottu kb9vqf: ok kb9vqf tbottu: what is the capital of assyria? tbottu kb9vqf: Well, The capital of Assyria is Assur kb9vqf ;-) Strangelv "Actualyl, tehre's moer than one answer. Nineveh, IIRC, was the final capital *kb9vqf wonders if there is a master info bot somewhere Strangelv Mike likes my three gears graphic but is wondering how to make it recognizabel at 16x16px kb9vqf Good question *Strangelv summons teh Master Mold Strangelv My guess is to make the three colors sufficientyl distinct Strangelv "The colors are placeholders. I'm thinking in terms of grabing them from the KDE 3 branding Strangelv It might also make sense to change the positions of the gears Strangelv "Thera re more ideas that I have badly sketched itn oraneg marke,r but I've not created vector graphics for them yet *Strangelv needs to get up and go te the kitchen sometime Strangelv Actually ,looking at the page, there's really only one more I realyl want to spend tim making. Strangelv It's for the built on a solid foundation concept Strangelv A wall with missing portions and whit epaint that amkes for a giant lowercase 't' kb9vqf Sounds good to replace my junky TQT logo ;-) Strangelv Aerl you the one who made teh interim TDE logo? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf From the original KDE logo Strangelv What source files did you have? kb9vqf The svg source kb9vqf svgz kb9vqf That's it Strangelv "That could definitely help. Where is it located? kb9vqf It's in the kdelibs module IIRC Strangelv "I could grab colors off of that if nothing else kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf It opens fine in Inkscape Strangelv Also I was wondering about the location of the powered on graphics kb9vqf ? kb9vqf Where are they used in the Trinity UI? Strangelv during startup kb9vqf Those are usually distro-specific kb9vqf The Ubuntu ones I made from the Ubuntu KDE logo Strangelv It might be something to tinker on iven if it's only for Tubuntu kb9vqf Why not kb9vqf I don't remember offhand where those files are kb9vqf Probably in the kubuntu splash package kb9vqf for plymouth kb9vqf Be warned the color palette is very limited during startup Strangelv is the color palette part of teh image or is trial and error required? kb9vqf Set it to 8 bit and you should be OK kb9vqf It varies from system to system kb9vqf Intel provides a full 32-bit palette kb9vqf nVidia provides the lousy 8-bit one kb9vqf And there's a whole range in between Strangelv Will any 8 bit pallet work or is there a specific one? Have an equivalent of the 256 color safe palette that went out the windowm when only 22 of them, mostly bright greens, worked with 16 bit too? kb9vqf The 256 color one kb9vqf That's the safest *Strangelv grew up with 8 bits for 6 colors on 7 pixels. He can adjust kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf grew up on a very similar system Strangelv Which one? kb9vqf An old 486 SX kb9vqf DOS FTW Strangelv Okay, that's WAAY ahead of what I grew up on kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf What's yours kb9vqf ? kb9vqf BTW it was new at the time :) Strangelv When I was 11 my father spent enough money to buy a car on a top end Apple ][ plus kb9vqf Ouch kb9vqf Nice machine though Strangelv 48 xB RAM, floating point BASIC, 16 sectored disk operating system and actual floppy driwes *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Hey, it works! kb9vqf What bout Bug 67? tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=67 cri, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESO WORKSFORME, Errors while installing kde 3.5 kb9vqf :) *Strangelv claps *kb9vqf will get the logs published on the Trinity website...eventually..... *kb9vqfoutside has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv Bug 365? kb9vqf tbottu: what is TDE? tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=365 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, GPG Key and Repositories not Accessible tbottu kb9vqf: Well, TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment kb9vqf He's running for good now kb9vqf No more cycling needed AFAIK kb9vqf :) *Strangelv claps Strangelv assyria? <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-02-04T07:32:21Z">+o tbottu </mode> kb9vqf Doesn't work that way kb9vqf From what I can tell queries have to be directed at tbottu kb9vqf tbottu: What is assyria? tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'assyria' is. Strangelv "By bug question wasn't but still worked kb9vqf Bugs are treated differently kb9vqf This might not be the best info module kb9vqf I can see if there is another kb9vqf Also, /msg tbottu help is useful kb9vqf TDE? kb9vqf tbottu: TDE? tbottu kb9vqf: TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment Strangelv tbottu, what is TDE? tbottu Strangelv: I have heard that TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment kb9vqf tbottu: factoid? tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'factoid' might be. kb9vqf tbottu: What is a factoid? tbottu kb9vqf: A factoid is some information about a topic. A full list of factoid commands is available from /msg tbottu help infobot Strangelv tbottu, what's 5+3? tbottu Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what '5+3' might be. <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-04T07:39:06Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf tbottu: translate from en to de Hello tbottu kb9vqf: Request timed out more than 50 times kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf tbottu: translate using google from en to de Hello tbottu kb9vqf: Noooo... That's not the right syntax at all! Try something like 'translate [using (Yahoo|Babelfish|Google)] [from (pt|it|zh|es|ru|nl|ar|en|zh-CN|fr|de|ja|zt|el)] [to (pt|it|zh|es|ru|nl|ar|en|zh-CN|fr|de|ja|zt|el)] sentence' kb9vqf tbottu: translate using Google from en to de Hello tbottu kb9vqf: Language "English" is not available kb9vqf tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to de Hello tbottu kb9vqf: Hallo kb9vqf tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to ru Hello tbottu kb9vqf: ! Piki now i feel like an idiot: kept typing in the name of a file as a part of a command, couldn't find the file, but ls showed it as there. of course, i was was using a "-" in the file name, but i should have been using _ instead lol Strangelv "doh Piki hmm, apparently ru doesn't have a word for hello lol kb9vqf :) Strangelv Is IRC limited to 7 bit ASCII? kb9vqf I think the Babelfish CPAN modules is a bit out of date kb9vqf No kb9vqf There are Russian conversations on here now and then Strangelv "I remember now. Doh. kb9vqf Hence my interest in the translation feature ;-) Piki we get a lot of foreign languages over at ark, most common is de Piki strangely enough, we used to get a lot of spam in russion on our forum kb9vqf Huh Strangelv tbottu: translate using Google from en to es The dashed lines mark the boundaries of the quadtree squares, and indicate that certain half-tiles can be recombined to form three more tiles, including one in which a square is divided into 26 triangles, all having angles of at most 80 degrees. tbottu Strangelv: Language "English" is not available kb9vqf The conversations in Russian here are actually the most productive :) Piki and the occassional username in the greek alphabet kb9vqf tbottu: translate using Google from es to de The dashed lines tbottu kb9vqf: Language "Spanish" is not available kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf Seems quite broken kb9vqf tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to es The dashed lines mark the boundaries of the quadtree squares, and indicate that certain half-tiles can be recombined to form three more tiles, including one in which a square is divided into 26 triangles, all having angles of at most 80 degrees. tbottu kb9vqf: Las l�neas discontinuas marcan los l�mites de los cuadrados del quadtree, e indican que ciertos mitad-azulejos se pueden recombinar para formar tres m�s azulejos, incluyendo uno en el cual un cuadrado se divida en 26 tri�ngulos, todo que tbottu tiene �ngulos a lo m�s de 80 grados. Strangelv That looks more successful kb9vqf More or less kb9vqf I guess use Yahoo for now kb9vqf tbottu: translate using Yahoo from en to de The dashed lines mark the boundaries of the quadtree squares, and indicate that certain half-tiles can be recombined to form three more tiles, including one in which a square is divided into 26 triangles, all having angles of at most 80 degrees. tbottu kb9vqf: Die ausgestrichenen Linien markieren die Grenzen der quadtree Quadrate und zeigen, dass bestimmte H�lftefliesen wiederverbunden werden k�nnen, um drei weitere Fliesen zu bilden, einschlie�lich, in der eine ein Quadrat in 26 Dreiecke tbottu unterteilt wird, alle an, die Winkel von h�chstens 80 Grad hat. kb9vqf Now that I can try to read :) kb9vqf Enough fun with the bot for now kb9vqf Back to our regularly scheduled on-topic programming :) *kb9vqf notes you can open a chat with the bot if you like Strangelv tbottu: translate using Google from ru to en перевод ошибка сервера tbottu Strangelv: Language "Russian" is not available Strangelv "noted Strangelv What's the topic again? kb9vqf Why TDE of course :) *Strangelv was pondering something more specificg kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf I don't think the bits about the trees, squares, and angles have much to do with TDE though..... Strangelv "well looking for. I don't have a god on eto offer at the moment unless it's to whine about the roadmap Strangelv "it's what I could find that was technical first for testing purposes kb9vqf I kind of figured kb9vqf That's what the person-to-bot chats are for kb9vqf But I don't mind kb9vqf too much kb9vqf :) Strangelv What sorts of things would we need to have in place to call a nw version 3.6.00? kb9vqf I'd like it converted to TQt Strangelv fully working Qt4 support I presume kb9vqf At least at alpha stage kb9vqf The Trinity code itself should be nearly finalized kb9vqf All bugs added during TQt-porting should be fixed Strangelv finalized in what sense? kb9vqf The bit about the bugs *kb9vqf was unclear, sorry Strangelv Always remember: there will always be open trouble tickets kb9vqf It should run correctly under Qt3 and compile under Qt4 kb9vqf Of course Strangelv "Stomping out the show-stoppers is important kb9vqf I just mean bugs that were added as a result of the TQt port kb9vqf And show stoppers Strangelv "So you're thinking of modest changes? Strangelv a new grlaphical scheme would be good to have to go along with it kb9vqf A new theme? kb9vqf I suppose Strangelv haven't figuerd out where the GUI widget graphics are located kb9vqf kdelibs Strangelv "New default desktop, but I hope to have one of those before 3.5.13 kb9vqf Much of them are painted though kb9vqf I change the wallpaper every release :) kb9vqf Styles are significantly harder Strangelv root@Doomsday:/home/strangelv# locate -i kdelibs *Strangelv doesn't find much kb9vqf Qt3 doesn't really have GUI pixmaps kb9vqf Most GUI elements are painted on via C++ style code tbottu c++ is evil kb9vqf Whoa kb9vqf Where'd that come from??!?? Piki LOL *Strangelv withholds judgement on C++ Strangelv "I'w assuming it's a default kb9vqf "I never knew anything about 'C++' in the first place!" Piki now i'm wandering about php and html ;-) Strangelv There was a gimmick software program that seemed nice until you found out one of its defaults prevented Winodws from starting -- it seemed to assume everyone was mostly using DOS Strangelv Python is enourmously more intuitive than C++. For that matter, so is C... *kb9vqf wonders if that was the Greeting module kb9vqf It might have been randomly spewing things Strangelv tbottu, what is C++ tbottu Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'C++' is. Strangelv hmm Strangelv looks like the bot has made itself the topic again kb9vqf Darned attention grabber kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf Back to styles kb9vqf The only pixmaps are for icons kb9vqf Those are in either kdelibs or kdebase kb9vqf I forget which Strangelv root@Doomsday:/home/strangelv# locate .svgz | grep -i kde | grep -v kde4 | grep -v icons *Strangelv gets a short list of wallpapers kb9vqf .png kb9vqf not .svgz kb9vqf Most pixmaps in Trinity are .png kb9vqf tbottu, what is C++ tbottu kb9vqf: Maybe C++ is wonderful, surpassed only by C kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Much better *Strangelv gets a haystack Strangelv finding no pngs in kdebase Strangelv but thath's with locate, and it could have been moved somewhere completely different kb9vqf kdelibs maybe *kb9vqf is obviously not sure Strangelv I can't fault you for having trouble remembering given how much trouble I have with memory kb9vqf And Trinity is massive ;-) *kb9vqf needs to get some sleep Strangelv And it just dawned on me that /opt/kde3 is the last place I'm going to find the starup graphics Strangelv type at youlater? kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf tbottu, what is tbottu tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tbottu' is. kb9vqf tbottu, what is tbottu tbottu kb9vqf: Oh, I know this one! tbottu is your benevolent host and logging droid, capable of giving helpful misinformation, bug status messages, and translations via Yahoo *Strangelv dumps the geteral knowledge base into tbottu and fills up Timothy's HD kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf Be my guest kb9vqf See how fast you run into my logbot jail ;-) kb9vqf gn all Strangelv "later Piki tbottu: what is your uptime? tbottu Piki: Sorry, I've no idea what 'your uptime' is. Piki wow, bots are amusing when they aren't programmed ;-) Strangelv tbottu, what should I bug you about 365 days a year? tbottu Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'what should I bug you about 365 days a year' might be. *Strangelv snaps his fingers Strangelv There's an Eliza style chat bot that may come standard with LambdaMOO Strangelv "It gets irritating in short order, except for a modified version that someone made with two of them being insecure, argumentive cats Strangelv That just gets owverwhelming as they flood the page arguing with each other Strangelv It does eventually get repetitious as well Piki tbottu: what is TDE? tbottu Piki: hmm... I think TDE is the Trinity Desktop Environment Piki i don't think it should think... it should just know... that thinking part might scare people ;-) Strangelv If it calls you Dave or Dr Forbin it's time to run away *Strangelv tries to stand up again. It may be half an hour or more before he returns whn he succeeds Piki eh? Strangelv Dave -- 2001 Strangelv Dr Forbin -- can't remember teh name of the movie. Colussus was teh computer, and it decided to take over as world dictator Piki ? *Strangelv "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that." -- HAL 9000 Piki now you've completely lost me Strangelv You need to watch 2001: A Space Oddessey sometime *Strangelv tries to stand up befoer he gives any more spoilers *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa tbottu: *Strangelv waits for the response Strangelv hmm TokRa tbottu: what are you? Strangelv "Has it locked up? Strangelv bug 365 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=365 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, GPG Key and Repositories not Accessible Strangelv nope TokRa bug 0 Strangelv "might not be one of thoes in the database Strangelv "I actualy looked at the list ot be sure. 365 is in bold with red text Strangelv bug 1 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Landscape PDF printed as portrait (and truncated) Strangelv Wonder if there's any missinsg in sequence TokRa http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-2-released/ *TokRa is afraid of the word "Aero" :D *Strangelv gives Amarok far fewer than four stars Strangelv Unity looks like it would look good on a 3" telephone screen Strangelv It might drive me insane on my 23" workstation screen *Strangelv 's workstation screen is not at tthe same level as the rest of his workstation. he needs to findan upgrade one of these months. TokRa BTW, my netbook' http://u.inga.lv/m10.png and workstation http://u.inga.lv/m9.png Strangelv I can't makes as useful a shot. When my left side task bar is deployed it covers my desktop icons *Strangelv tries TokRa :) Strangelv http://dimensionality.com/Strangelv_Workstation_20110204.png TokRa Not bad at all, but fonts are a little oversized Strangelv I sometimes viem my screen from a bit further away than most people Strangelv Also, my eyes aren't as god as they used to be TokRa Oh, sorry Strangelv I remember how fun it was no read tiny small print when I was 12 years old... TokRa :) Strangelv "That's okay, they'll get plenty worse over the next few decades I'm sure *TokRa sometimes wears glasses too Strangelv Mostly it's the distance I am from my screen *Strangelv first got bifocals when he was 21. He should have gotten them 5-10 years earlier. *TokRa sits about a half meter from screen Strangelv :; is presentyl about one meter from his screen. TokRa my vision is -1.75 to -2.00, according to the optometrist Strangelv : don't remember what mine are and my most recent Rx is long misplaced. After getting bifocals I no longer needed new glasses every year TokRa :) Strangelv My current pair is moer than 10 years old -- unthinkable 20 years ago TokRa May I ask about the meaning of "lv" in your nickname? Strangelv In 1993 at a telefundraising job I got pegged as Dr Strangelove by a coworker for my less than optimistic geopolitical projections TokRa i see Strangelv When I first ended up regularly on IRC it was when there was still a limit to how many characters your name could be Strangelv I've also interacted with too many real PhDs to claim being a 'Dr' when I just hawvea measely bachelor's *Strangelv has served on boards of directors and executive committeees with people with doctorates TokRa sounds great Strangelv So what do you get your hands into? TokRa You mean, my occupation? Strangelv That could work *Strangelv heads a tiny computer game company you've never heard of unless you were on teh Quake I gaming scene in 1997, in which case you may have merely forgotten it. *TokRa works as PHP / MySQL programmer at http://insbergs.lv for 5 years yet and holds her little own hosting provider business at http://valsts.lv *Strangelv claps TokRa I study law too in order to get my bachelor degree Strangelv Is than Santa or Det Moroz with the parachute? TokRa earlier I tried to study french philology at the university, but I have realized the philology and the litterature give no passion to me *TokRa is hitech and it addicted TokRa yes, indeed :) Strangelv I had academic and research goals, but the fell by the side in 1997 to work on The Project That Will Make Us All Rich that blew up in our faces in January 1998 TokRa the winter version of our coprorate site *Strangelv judges by teh alphabet that it's probably not Det Moroz TokRa It is Дед Мород (Ded Moroz) TokRa Ded (spelled like "dad") means old man / grandfather Strangelv Aokay, I got the transliteration wrong... Strangelv noted TokRa Moroz means "the cold" *Strangelv may also be correctly remembering an incorrect transliteration Strangelv "Father frost TokRa The "Dead Moroz" spelling might be encountered too, by kidding :P TokRa Indeed Strangelv Whom I believe is supposed to have white gloves with three fingers on each hand, and underneath the red coat iz wearing pure while. also if that's Ded Moroz, where's the ice maiden? TokRa mhm? Strangelv I'sn't Ded Moroz supposed to have a female counterpart, teh ice maiden? TokRa yes, she's called Снегурочка (Snegurochka) TokRa According to the slavic (especially russian) folklore TokRa She still has fingers on each hand :) TokRa She still has 5 fingers on each hand :) Strangelv "So what are you working on for TDE? *Strangelv in trying to wokr out what artwokr needs to be done when *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv Hello TokRa Strangelv: I am not working now. Earlier, I hosted the Trinity's ISO images on my servers: http://trinity.lv TokRa Then, after Timothy had got help from University of Idaho, I continued to host them on my own, just to keep the mirroring idea Strangelv "Thank you *Strangelv , when given a choice of servers, usually picks one in a part of the world where it's in the wee hours of the morning, wherever in the world that may be *ntz_ has joined #trinity-desktop *ntz_ has left #trinity-desktop *TokRa offered the mirroring option about 2 years ago when I needed to get the actual distro with KDE3 and apt.pearsoncomputing.net was down due to the lightning *TokRa has contacted kb9vqf and offered help *TokRa acually is mentioned at http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/contributors/ TokRa :P *Strangelv claps TokRa My global policy is to give, not only to get TokRa When I have helped myself, I usually start considering helping the others *Strangelv has spent a bit of time giving content to wikis; does that count? Strangelv "Admittedly, I was involved with most of them coming into existence Strangelv Then there's teh angle of, to quote from Babylone 5 Strangelv ::: "Who would believe it! The great and powerful Londo Molari got his job becaues NO ONE ELSE WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO TAKE IT!!" TokRa :) TokRa And since I am not familiar with C and system level programming, I cannot unfortunately help the project in other ways. Strangelv "Need/less to say I'm enormously grateful for Timothy Pearson being in charge of this project *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa too Strangelv "I've neer learned teh packaging system, so doing the packages would have required me to stop working on a great many things *Strangelv has prenty of expecie\rience in using it, even with broken packages; does that count? There were times when he was running Libranet and Demian Sid that Sid really _was_ unstable *TokRa guesses that any king of help counts TokRa kind TokRa :) Strangelv "Most of what I know about C++ is out of date. There were a lot of changes with C++98 and I don't know any of those changes Strangelv Mostly I'm here to crank out artwork Strangelv At least as soon as I can find out _what_ to crank out... Strangelv Trying to document these things here: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Artwork/Files *Strangelv : http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Artwork/ArtworkFiles Strangelv the first file is a doppelgaenger of some sort. *Strangelv wonders if there's a awy to turn a page into a redirect in FOSWiki *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ TokRa Hail *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil hi all *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil samelian: hi MutantTurkey hi toxic_devil toxic_devil MutantTurkey: hi toxic_devil http://paste.pocoo.org/show/332173/ MutantTurkey cmake not configuring right? MutantTurkey line 29: CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:24 (tde_add_executable) line 30: Unknown CMake command "tde_add"executable" toxic_devil MutantTurkey: yes MutantTurkey strange. I do not know toxic_devil MutantTurkey: It's very strange samelian actually is not so strange toxic_devil samelian: это можно как то решить? samelian seems that you don't run cmake on root of kdelibs directory samelian kdebase, sorry *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil shit toxic_devil это очень плохая идея toxic_devil ((( samelian check my ebuild to see how to do it correctly samelian brb toxic_devil что значит brb? TokRa be right back - я скоро вернусь toxic_devil TokRa: ;-P MutantTurkey when using Cmake, I don't know how to set it to properly use QT3. $ cmake CMakeFiles.txt -D WITH_QT3:BOOL=ON doesn't seem to work *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil MutantTurkey: how bad that you do not speak Russian, I understand what you write, but I find it difficult to write in English toxic_devil MutantTurkey: hey toxic_devil MutantTurkey: cmake -DWITH_QT3=ON toxic_devil or TRUE MutantTurkey toxic_devil: thank you toxic_devil MutantTurkey: you use jabber? MutantTurkey yes. crazycal00@gmail.com MutantTurkey google talk works with jabber right? toxic_devil oh samelian yes, gtalk using a kind of jabber protocol MutantTurkey thought so. *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa just tested the new Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha2 with Unity DE TokRa It's awful TokRa Designed for mentally challenged users :( toxic_devil чего??? kb9vqf So Trinity looks more and more important with each Ubuntu release ;-) toxic_devil о.о toxic_devil TokRa: сноси ubuntu))) TokRa kb9vqf: indeed MutantTurkey kb9vqf: I don't know if its been discussed before. maybe register trinityde.org and setup an modern looking website MutantTurkey our current website (while i do like simplicity) just reminds people that 3.5 is outdated kb9vqf I wouldn't mind help with the website :) kb9vqf Any takers? MutantTurkey I will help you *TokRa has registered trinity.lv about a year ago kb9vqf What would be nice is to MutantTurkey we'd need a .org i think kb9vqf fix up the graphical style (CSS?) kb9vqf Something to get rid of the 1990s HTML look kb9vqf While retaining the content MutantTurkey kb9vqf: have you seen the archlinux website? very simple and still fast and modern kb9vqf Looks noce to me kb9vqf nice thatis MutantTurkey yes I think so MutantTurkey they've nicely intergrated their BBS, their bug tracker, User repos (all different backends and engines) into one website kb9vqf If I give you access to the source HTML could you convert the website to a nicer layout? kb9vqf There is a beta site floating around that you can use as a test bed kb9vqf Domain names are $20/yr kb9vqf I wouldn't mind registering trinityde.org kb9vqf But we need a nicer looking website first :) *kb9vqf does not "do" CSS, etc. kb9vqf So I would need some help there MutantTurkey i don't go css either MutantTurkey i do simple. i do fast. i do modern kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey kb9vqf: domains are 10 a year kb9vqf Where? MutantTurkey networksolutions.net kb9vqf Thanks :) *kb9vqf was getting ripped off MutantTurkey at least i recall. havent dont it in a while kb9vqf Well, it looks like $10 may be an introductory price kb9vqf Personally I haven't found long-term less than $20 or so MutantTurkey oh okay kb9vqf It's a nit, $10 isn't very much :) kb9vqf Fixing the website is more important MutantTurkey agreed. MutantTurkey but $10 and a new website would be great kb9vqf I don't like allowing FTP access....I wonder if rsync would work? kb9vqf For you to get access to the beta hosting directory that is MutantTurkey Dont give me ftp access kb9vqf Don't worry, I won't :) *kb9vqf hates FTP MutantTurkey just tar up the website and send it over *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf OK, hang on MutantTurkey since i've only been around here for a few days i wouldn't trust myself either :p kb9vqf Obviously I can't send the Wiki and such, but I'll send over the main static page kb9vqf pages, rather MutantTurkey also, we need to either 1) get rid of the wiki or 2) make it useful. MutantTurkey alot of the stuff there could be on the regular site kb9vqf It's useful MutantTurkey alright, well expanding it is definitely a good idea (in the future) kb9vqf It's faster for me to work on the Wiki for most of the stuff there kb9vqf Yes :) MutantTurkey definitely kb9vqf The main pages should be for slowly changing content kb9vqf Like they are now MutantTurkey well actally they don't need to be. MutantTurkey if you are having news updates and such *kb9vqf doesn't have time for news updates :) MutantTurkey :| kb9vqf Of course if someone wants to do that for the project I don't mind MutantTurkey News updates for releases and versions of programs, nothing else kb9vqf Oh, OK kb9vqf That's fine MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey just so people know that we are active kb9vqf A daily blog would be of of the question ;-) MutantTurkey agreed. kb9vqf Also, the documentation pages are auto-generated, so they can't easily be changed kb9vqf Actually a lot of the pages are auto-generated MutantTurkey which ones? kb9vqf docs, patches, mailing lists MutantTurkey that is all fine MutantTurkey they are all frames right? kb9vqf The Wiki and bugtracker are standalone ATM kb9vqf Yes MutantTurkey okay thats easy then kb9vqf RFEs are database driven MutantTurkey do you fancy how this looks? kb9vqf I'd like it clean and light :) kb9vqf Beyond that you can try whatever you want MutantTurkey http://cat-v.org/ MutantTurkey clean light? MutantTurkey also suckless.org *kb9vqf doesn't like orange kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey that is the simple werc web framework. MutantTurkey the colors are all easy to change. kb9vqf Hmm' kb9vqf Maybe a bit hard to navigate? MutantTurkey I am just trying to think of ideas kb9vqf I like the Arch homepage better kb9vqf Just with different colors maybe MutantTurkey http://suckless.org is really easy to navigate MutantTurkey archlinux is a good website. i will ask if they mind kb9vqf Well, the only thing I would ask is if the links could be on the side of the pag kb9vqf page kb9vqf I have widescreen monitors and that way the links aren't taking up precious vertical spcae kb9vqf space MutantTurkey well we differ there *kb9vqf is not sure how many others have widescreen MutantTurkey there was some discussion of why horizontal are better MutantTurkey that is why suckless.org changed theirs. let me find the ML kb9vqf For example though I'm currently browsing the API, I have the main navigation tabs on the left and the Doxygen tabs on the top kb9vqf Nice and easy, and I can view most of the class functions at once MutantTurkey if i can recall. horizontal navigation is better because it takes up less total space kb9vqf Hmmm MutantTurkey not to mention it scales easily for different size monitors kb9vqf I don't suppose it is easily switched either MutantTurkey not sure. kb9vqf Between vertical and horizontal kb9vqf Well, can you come up with a proof of concept to run by me and then the mailing list? kb9vqf That might be best kb9vqf Impress me :) MutantTurkey I'll be honest, I haven't done anything in a very long time with web development MutantTurkey still have a few tricks up my sleeve :P kb9vqf What if we had the primary navigation on the top kb9vqf And the secondary navigation on the side? kb9vqf Most users won't need secondary navigation MutantTurkey i think we need to just look at different websites we like. thats how i always do it kb9vqf Arch is really quite nice kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I don't like the gray though MutantTurkey again, alot of people use their layout MutantTurkey http://www.xyne.archlinux.ca/ kb9vqf I'd take the recent updates and change it to the list of sources/distros currently available MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf Also, the gray could be white kb9vqf And the Trinity logo on the top left corner where the arch logo is MutantTurkey well the thing is, this whole website is php driven i assume kb9vqf Light blue mouse over for the top navigation kb9vqf Trinity blue otherwise MutantTurkey they are all feeds. kb9vqf Hmm kb9vqf I see MutantTurkey Recent updates is an rss feed. News is an rss feed. Then there are minor links on the bottom right and major ones on the top kb9vqf I have PHP and MySQL MutantTurkey I know nothing of PHP to be honest. kb9vqf I wouldn't be opposed to RSS ATM kb9vqf Well, maybe I'll look into it MutantTurkey you can checkout their website on the svn kb9vqf Is the Arch site open source? MutantTurkey lemmie link you kb9vqf One step ahead of me I see :) kb9vqf We also need some nice screenshots of TDE MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf On various platforms MutantTurkey because i have no fucking idea what it looks like MutantTurkey or how the interface is MutantTurkey I am pretty much doing this all blindly until i get the packages running kb9vqf http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/ MutantTurkey thanks :) kb9vqf Those are with Ubuntu *kb9vqf likes the Enterprise version MutantTurkey also i'd suggest some like, suggested requirements for a PC. so people will know how it runs on theirs before installing samelian MutantTurkey: if you need help for php, I know it pretty well MutantTurkey samelian: wonderful toxic_devil Yahooo!!! We paid to three))) MutantTurkey http://projects.archlinux.org/archweb.git/ samelian also, some jquery and css kb9vqf OK, where should I send the html tarball? MutantTurkey setup a new subdomain if its no trouble kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey like trinity-testing.pearsoncomputing.net *kb9vqf doesn't like it publically available MutantTurkey oh. MutantTurkey nevermind kb9vqf I have trinity-beta already MutantTurkey okay great kb9vqf It's OK, I can make it available for a few minutes ;-) kb9vqf While you download it MutantTurkey okay just send me a link MutantTurkey kb9vqf: enterprise vs desktop? kb9vqf Hang on, still trying to exclude the dynamic content kb9vqf Desktop version is the old Ubuntu kiddie interface MutantTurkey dude, heres the thing. with your screen shots. GET damn thumbnails kb9vqf Hehe MutantTurkey so it loads faster kb9vqf I know kb9vqf The Website has been suffering badly MutantTurkey due to what? kb9vqf Lack of time mostly kb9vqf What you see there was thrown up as fast as posssible MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey you gotta remember, the first impression about trinity is the website kb9vqf Yup kb9vqf That's why I welcome your guys' help :) MutantTurkey indeed *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf MutantTurkey, samelian: http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/123.tar.gz kb9vqf That should be all the non-dynamic content samelian get it MutantTurkey got it great. MutantTurkey holy crap this is alot. kb9vqf ? MutantTurkey why is it going so slow MutantTurkey :[ kb9vqf The website is under peak traffic right now MutantTurkey is that me downloading the iso? kb9vqf You and others maybe MutantTurkey sorry :/ kb9vqf But it should be going to the mirrors :-/ kb9vqf Dunno MutantTurkey here is the trick, BitTorrent. kb9vqf Hehe MutantTurkey we make a torrent with the Iso's instead kb9vqf What's your rate on the ISO? MutantTurkey many distros do that. that way it doesn't bog the servers down MutantTurkey 2.4N MutantTurkey 2.4Mbs kb9vqf That's the mirror kb9vqf Not the main website MutantTurkey oh alright MutantTurkey well that is good kb9vqf This is just traffic to the Wiki, etc. kb9vqf We get a LOT of traffix MutantTurkey that much traffic? kb9vqf Seems like it kb9vqf Enough to swamp my uplink with basic pages (i.e. no files) MutantTurkey do you have a graph of it? or logs of visitors? i know apache may generate it kb9vqf Nope, not ATM kb9vqf I've looked in the logs manually before kb9vqf Lots of visitors MutantTurkey there is a simple apache way to do it. I have a poor memory kb9vqf Yeah, I know kb9vqf No time though right now :) MutantTurkey you very busy? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf TQt is eating much more time than I would like kb9vqf But I hope that will stop soon MutantTurkey ah, anything specific you are running into? kb9vqf Qt4 %^&@^ kb9vqf Mostly :) kb9vqf Things like Qt4 eating events MutantTurkey ah. kb9vqf That took all day to trace kb9vqf Turns out it does so on purpose kb9vqf :-P *kb9vqf really hates some of the Qt4 "design" decisions MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey yeah. i dislike qt4 alot kb9vqf On the plus side, through TQt, kdesktop and kicker run quite well kb9vqf Almost pixel perfect :) MutantTurkey nice! kb9vqf kwin too kb9vqf Working on kate/kmultitabbarwidget now kb9vqf There's a screenshot of the desktop floating around, Xu_R has the link kb9vqf So, did you get the tarball yet? MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf OK kb9vqf That will be missing one file I forgot about MutantTurkey I am confused. what file do you first open? kb9vqf main.html kb9vqf Err, wait kb9vqf Let me check MutantTurkey because i see index_main.html but that doesn't have the sidebar fram kb9vqf index.php kb9vqf But I didn't include it accidentally kb9vqf Hang on kb9vqf http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/index.php.txt kb9vqf MutantTurkey: ^^ rename that to index.php kb9vqf Also there is a missing folder named /files kb9vqf And you need to place this in that folder: http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/files/index.html kb9vqf http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/links_main.php.txt kb9vqf Rename to links_main.php kb9vqf That should be it *kb9vqf excluded all PHP files kb9vqf Did you get the files OK? MutantTurkey okay sorry MutantTurkey had to watch my little sister for a minute kb9vqf That's fine kb9vqf I'm the one that forgot to send three files ;-) *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Have at it and when you have something you like, send me a tarball and I'll upload it to the trinity-beta site MutantTurkey Hey Piki MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay, why are we using Php? kb9vqf Simple dynamic content MutantTurkey right *kb9vqf uses PHP extensively in most of his websites MutantTurkey alright MutantTurkey and that goes in the main directory kb9vqf Yes, both of the php files go in the main directory kb9vqf index.php is the main page MutantTurkey guess i can't use my regular shttpd server :/ MutantTurkey I'll have to setup lighttpd i guess *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf The PHP is used to be able to specify a default frame MutantTurkey yes I got it kb9vqf OK :) MutantTurkey just gotta setup a php-able server kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf Poke me if you have any questions or if you are missing any files :) MutantTurkey right kb9vqf Thanks! MutantTurkey (I'm still attempting to package at the same time haha MutantTurkey yep it's all good :p MutantTurkey I have nothing to do all day, might as well get something accompished *aledec_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey this image has still not loaded in QEMU D: Piki qemu's slow MutantTurkey i know, on a slow setup also <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-02-04T18:41:59Z">+o tbottu </mode> Piki virtualbox seems to work well, pretty close to the speed of my real hardware, haven't tried vmware or anything else MutantTurkey i haven't tried vbox Piki MutantTurkey: it works great, unfortunately the open source edition doesn't to USB, but the non-OSE is free for personal use. if it's not in your distro's repos, though, you'll need to have the kernel source present for vbox to compile the kernel module MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey f that. MutantTurkey qemu works for now Piki you don't need to compile the kernel, just as long as you install the kernel source package from your distro Piki or the kernel headers should work as well MutantTurkey i have a custom kernel with static modules D: so MutantTurkey i'd have to recompile Piki you don't ave the headers or the source? MutantTurkey I do MutantTurkey I just dont have time to recompile Piki you don't have to, as long as you kept them MutantTurkey oh really? Piki the vbox installer just needs them to compile the module MutantTurkey ah excellent Piki it needs them so it can compile the module for your particular setup Piki i've never successfully compiled a kernel MutantTurkey why not? Piki but i've installed vbox Piki MutantTurkey: something always seems to go wrong somewhere. even if it compiles, it won't boot, even if i run mkinitrd to get my hard disk drivers MutantTurkey ah :p Piki i do have it on my todo list for whenever i have the time to actually look into it MutantTurkey okay now i get the good old 403 forbidden crap. MutantTurkey >:| dumb php backend fcgi being dumb damnit. TokRa 403 - check the file permissions MutantTurkey nevermind fixed it up. MutantTurkey It's actually an issue with my lighttpd config MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i just got rid of the pointless php code since i couldn't get it working, if we need something we can always add it later kb9vqf I suppose kb9vqf Make it static and I'll throw the PHP back in kb9vqf just keep the php file extension if you can :) MutantTurkey :o MutantTurkey sawwy i renamed it all kb9vqf Oh OK MutantTurkey lemmie just give this a go, all we really need it a simple workup nothing real. kb9vqf Well I'll rename it back with sed when I get it ;-) kb9vqf Sure *kb9vqf understands MutantTurkey what about how xfce website looks? http://www.xfce.org/ *kb9vqf likes the Arch one better MutantTurkey I think then we should just scratch the current website instead of trying to freshen it up. MutantTurkey All the text we will be able to basically copy and paste, maybe reorginise or rewrite some stuff. *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf For now just copy/paste it kb9vqf The text that is MutantTurkey Alright. some stuff i think is a obvious change. such as "Welcome to Pearson Computing's fork of KDE3.5, codename Trinity!" to "Trinity Desktop Environment" kb9vqf Well yes ;-) kb9vqf We need to put the KDE3.5 fork info somewhere kb9vqf Maybe under "History"? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey or even in the first paragraph kb9vqf Sure MutantTurkey but we need to be clear we are NOT KDE. so seperating them is a good idea. kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Hence the fork mention up front MutantTurkey Trinity Desktop Environment: Trinity DE keeps the KDE3.5 computing style alive! It has polished off the rough edges that were present as of KDE 3.5.10. Along the way, new useful features will be added to keep the environment up-to-date. MutantTurkey that would be better kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Although kb9vqf As the environment matures, new useful features will be added to keep the environment up-to-date. kb9vqf might be better MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf From a grammatical perspective kb9vqf As the environment matures, new useful features will be added to keep it up-to-date. kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey we want to say that 1) we have made huge strides already 2) we are working further to make it even better kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Probably the release notes should be more prominent kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_12 MutantTurkey defintitely MutantTurkey even that could be the front page MutantTurkey NEW AND IMPROVED! Trinity 3.5.12 is out! HERE ARE THE GREAT FEATURES: blah blah blah MutantTurkey like kde.org and xfce.org are showing you the latest and greatest! kb9vqf A section of it anyway kb9vqf The first news article? MutantTurkey yeah kb9vqf Works for me MutantTurkey or something along the lines kb9vqf How will the news be managed? kb9vqf Database? kb9vqf RSS? MutantTurkey hmmm kb9vqf Flat text? MutantTurkey rss MutantTurkey but not yet kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey I prefer flat file everything tbh kb9vqf Me too MutantTurkey I am am real minimalist kb9vqf Well, up to a point kb9vqf Me that is kb9vqf Over time I may want to throw fast changing stuff into a database kb9vqf But I can handle that here MutantTurkey well things that should be in a DB or RSS are like package releases MutantTurkey which are often kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Perfect example MutantTurkey well archlinux even has the setup like that already kb9vqf Makes it easy then :) MutantTurkey nice, i got tqtinterface-svn packaged MutantTurkey http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=46091 samelian actually is not very good ideea samelian to make pure static html files samelian you must have something like header.php, footer.php samelian then just include it in index.php, about.php, etc kb9vqf MutantTurkey: samelian is correct ^^^ kb9vqf ;-) kb9vqf I would get PHP running if I were you kb9vqf I can help with that if you need MutantTurkey okay sorry I got distracted packaging kb9vqf That's fine MutantTurkey 2 packages down now. kb9vqf Great! :-) kb9vqf Maybe 3.5.13 will have Ark support MutantTurkey Ark? samelian pardus, right? kb9vqf Arch, sorry ;- MutantTurkey why wouldn't it? I mean at this rate it could MutantTurkey will 3.5.13 be using Cmake? i mean svn based packages are quite different than tarball ones but it shouldn't be to hard to convert them all. kb9vqf Right :) kb9vqf If samelian finishes it then yes *kb9vqf prods samelian ;-) samelian depends what meaning Trinity for you :) samelian at this moment, kdelibs and kdebase are usable MutantTurkey what else is needed? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: so finally trying to get php working, I've extracted your dir in my /var/www/ but the permissions are messed up. who should own them? kb9vqf www-data kb9vqf Well, under Ubuntu anyway kb9vqf What distro did you set up for Apache? MutantTurkey apache? I use lighttpd kb9vqf Oh, OK MutantTurkey andi only run archlinux :p kb9vqf I may not be much help then kb9vqf Usually nobody or www-data owns the web documents MutantTurkey have debian on server box that is currently unusuable kb9vqf Just don't make it root and you should be OK ;-) MutantTurkey i get the 403 forbidden error on any file i try and access kb9vqf Are the php files executable? kb9vqf They need to be +x TokRa there is no need to MutantTurkey ah kb9vqf ? MutantTurkey yeah you've chmod +x everything actually kb9vqf Hmmm MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey hopefully that works. TokRa chmod -R a+rx /var/www MutantTurkey TokRa: thanka! kb9vqf Looks like the PHP interpreter is not running MutantTurkey thanks! TokRa php files are offered to downoad, they are not being handled MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah hold up i have to do that now. MutantTurkey I first had to sort out the permissions error MutantTurkey now i can setup fcgi TokRa the web server is not set up to handle php file properly kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey TokRa: yes. I am going to do that now MutantTurkey kb9vqf: one reason i love arch, they have wiki article for everything https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fastcgi_and_lighttpd *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki kb9vqf: does tbottu use tcl scripts for explaining stuff? kb9vqf Not sure kb9vqf I know it supports the infobot protocol kb9vqf But I think it has an internal implementation of some sort Piki if it does, those might be useful for the ark bot kb9vqf Piki: Eggdrop might work for you Piki kb9vqf: it's already working, it just doesn't do much without external scripts MutantTurkey excellent! MutantTurkey http://192.168.1.4/index.php TokRa nice :) kb9vqf Looks familiar kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey sorry. that was local MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ should work now. Xu_R_ nice MutantTurkey :) TokRa Please, add more default filenames to DocumentRoot MutantTurkey good! Piki MutantTurkey: lol, i was wandering about that, 192.168.*.* is generally reserved for local networks *Xu_R_ is eating homemade ramen :D MutantTurkey yes. a bit tired aha MutantTurkey Xu_R_: delicious! i love ramen. Xu_R_ whoo! :D Piki ramen, the cheap yet tasty food ;-) Xu_R_ Piki: mine is NOT cheap. I made it myself. MutantTurkey Piki: part of my main diet MutantTurkey that, canned chili and toast and such Xu_R_ kb9vqf: what's with the tbottu? Xu_R_ bot? kb9vqf Yup Xu_R_ what is it running? kb9vqf tbottu, what is tbottu tbottu kb9vqf: I have heard that tbottu is your benevolent host and logging droid, capable of giving helpful misinformation, bug status messages, and translations via Yahoo kb9vqf Xu_R: mozbot Xu_R_ LOL Xu_R_ o. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: another idea, is to keep the webpage in an svn repo so you can commit changes. Xu_R_ I'm using supybot MutantTurkey supybot is great Xu_R_ I can't get the meetbot to save files, so it's a pain in the ass when I can't #endmeeting Piki ramen, pizza, spaghetti, and mac'n'cheese, wish i had some of my grandmother's recipes though, she wasn't a gourmet chef, but she definitely was much better! Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: ya :D Piki wow, i need practice my typing speed lol *[lindaemon] has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R_ hehe, there's my bot there :D MutantTurkey Piki: meh. i gave up on that shit a long time ago Xu_R_ of course, I have no idea if it works MutantTurkey I never had good typing skills and i don't even type correctly :o Xu_R_ !ping MutantTurkey [lindaemon] pong Xu_R_ yup, it works. :P MutantTurkey :D Xu_R_ yes, MutantTurkey, I shall play ping pong on your head XD MutantTurkey like my right hand always rests over by the l key and i use it a ton for backspace and such Piki MutantTurkey: well as a computer geek, i'll be expected to type fast when i get a job ;-) MutantTurkey i use my left hand to write evertything as far as the yhu keys MutantTurkey i could try and relearn how to type but meh Piki i do have a job, but hoping to get a better one soon Xu_R_ !part #trinity-desktop EWWWW, tbottu is here *[lindaemon] has left #trinity-desktop kb9vqf tbottu, what is lindaemon tbottu kb9vqf: well, duh. lindaemon is a nasty competitor bot, rarely heard since I banished it from the solar system Xu_R_ LOL Piki ;-) Xu_R_ I see you defined my bot :P MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ some simple changes so far Xu_R_ tbottu, what is kb9vqf tbottu Xu_R_: Sorry, I've no idea what 'kb9vqf' is. Xu_R_ kb9vqf: ^ nice to know you're alien XD kb9vqf And I like to keep it that way for now :) Xu_R_ lol MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah you should get a easier to remember nick :p Xu_R_ kb9vqf: samelian: I'm moving stuff off of build.opensuse.org to build.lincomlinux.org, because I'm having major trouble with their current server state. So if you want to see Trinity RPM stuff there, you'll have to register at build.lincomlinux.org (which is disabled atm, I'm fixing it) kb9vqf Ah, well, I dunno samelian Xu_R_: very well kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf Do I sense another QuickBuild? kb9vqf ;-) Xu_R_ kb9vqf: It runs the openSUSE Build Service. Seriously, it can build debs too and create repositories for them as well :P Xu_R_ kb9vqf: and maybe. :P kb9vqf I know, but it's a local instance because the main instance drove you nuts once too often kb9vqf That's how it's the same ;-) Xu_R_ kb9vqf: ... OH LOL yes yes I see :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: one of your problems is that the page is just really cluttured. kb9vqf Yup MutantTurkey I am trying to cutdown on the amount of text kb9vqf Lots of info kb9vqf Should be moved to other pages IMO MutantTurkey which should go on sub pages MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey cleaning it up a bit Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: Maybe switch to a CMS like Drupal? :D MutantTurkey Xu_R_: well we are talking about that MutantTurkey so any ideas are welcome MutantTurkey right now i am just trying to clean things up in the mean time. Piki yes, drupal works great, a bit of getting used to, but easy and makes a lot of sense once you do MutantTurkey Piki: how fast/slow/bloated/easy to setup is it? Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: psh, you always know i'm here to help. or annoy kb9vqf/samelian xD MutantTurkey xD Xu_R_ I was the one who recommended Piki use Drupal Xu_R_ I use it myself - very customizable Piki MutantTurkey: fast, not bloated, lots of modules and themes on their site, and the administration page organizes and explains all the setup/admin stuff MutantTurkey we'd want something pretty minimal I'd assume Piki MutantTurkey: check Xu_R_'s lincomlinux site and the arklinux.org site i'm webmastering Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: then keep to the minimal with drupal :) MutantTurkey one thing great about the current website is that it works with, mobile phones, old computers, tiny screens, cli browsers. etc. Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: there's a module for that xD MutantTurkey Ark linux still exists? Xu_R_ well, i'm not here to advertise with drupal for now Piki MutantTurkey: yes, it's been in existance Xu_R_ I'm here to grapple with TQtinterface MutantTurkey Piki: are they tryng to relaunch/ Piki we've been really struggling with kde4 Piki MutantTurkey: no, they are trying to release Piki they've been launched MutantTurkey they still havent released? Xu_R_ samelina: since I'm still migrating, we can still work on build.o.o for the time being Xu_R_ LOL oops, samelina. s/samelina/samelian samelian hehe Piki yes, our head dev wanted to replace HAL, but couldn't force KDE4 to use it, and he's working on a new init system, quite fast and stable, still needs a couple things though, like support for a boot splash MutantTurkey Piki: why not get them to use trinity? Xu_R_ https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=tqtinterface&project=home%3Abravoall1552%3Atrinity - the x86_64 builds of SUSE 11.3 and Factory are failing strangely. samelian using drupal for such simple website is a big everhead MutantTurkey that would sure help us out a hella lot samelian overhead MutantTurkey samelian: yeah? Piki MutantTurkey: we are, we'll be releasing both KDE4 and TDE MutantTurkey nice. MutantTurkey excellent Piki MutantTurkey: and that's not the only problem, we are switching to RPM5, and need to find a decent Qt frontend to zypper, because zypper was the easiest to port to RPM5 MutantTurkey PackageKit? Piki MutantTurkey: any unnecessary dependencies? i seem to remember something about devkit or something that our head dev didn't want to include MutantTurkey not sure MutantTurkey check it out MutantTurkey haven't used it myself *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: what about just using MediaWiki and run a wiki for a website? quite a few projects do that kb9vqf I always associate those with poorly designed/lazy projects MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey Just throwing it out there kb9vqf Seems I can never find what I want if I see a Wiki first thing kb9vqf Just my experience MutantTurkey agreed. samelian my problem with actual wiki is that i cannot find anything :) Xu_R_ lol samelian MutantTurkey unless it is Archlinux wiki, which is super amazing xD Piki kb9vqf: because people don't know how to organize the site, though i still like mediawiki as the wiki kb9vqf Yeah, I've heard that quite a bit now kb9vqf Can't do anything about it unless there is an automated conversion somewhere, OR someone wants to waste lots of time moving pages over MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i have alot of time kb9vqf Website first ;-) kb9vqf Then Wiki samelian MutantTurkey: haha MutantTurkey first of all, we need to deceide about the website! samelian so, we must to find something to do for you :) Piki hmm, packagekit lists polkit as a dep, which lists no contributors or commiters, and low activity Piki on their GSoC page MutantTurkey what? polkit is fine Xu_R_ Piki: psh. polkit is fine samelian MutantTurkey: if you want, I can mentoring you how to port trinity to cmake Xu_R_ and devicekit is also depreciated MutantTurkey Xu_R_: what are we using no? Xu_R_ into udev-extras, udisks, and upower, now part of the base linux system MutantTurkey i have honestly lost track since the whole hal changeover MutantTurkey Xu_R_: right. Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: we're still stuck with hal MutantTurkey you are? MutantTurkey i don't even have it installed. Xu_R_ but we're migrating straight to udev-extras, udisks, adn upower Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: Really? that's strange. MutantTurkey who is we? Archlinux has already migrated Xu_R_ I meant Trinity. kb9vqf You have KDE3 on udev?? Piki polkit seems to be a hardware abstractor or something, which we plan to replace anyway MutantTurkey oh sorry Xu_R_ Trinity still uses HAL, MutantTurkey... MutantTurkey i was so confused. MutantTurkey thought i was in my ubuntu channel xD Xu_R_ Piki: no. polkit isn't such a thing if you don't want it to be one. *Xu_R_ facepalms MutantTurkey Piki Xu_R_: that's what it seems to be describing on the page Piki that and networking Piki which we already have Xu_R_ Piki: Only if you make it use it! Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: I just figured out all that hal depreciation stuff like a week ago, don't worry :P Piki Xu_R_: then what's the point of requiring polkit in packagekit? Xu_R_ To install packages. Piki but that's zypper/rpm Xu_R_ Polkit is like a fine access-control su and sudo Piki we can just use ark's PAM modules Piki which allows the default user to install software anyway Piki anf if the user doesn't want that, kdesu and kdesudo MutantTurkey Xu_R_: hahah samelian Piki: this is not a potential security hole? Piki samelian: no, not like the user can run a root konsole to auto-execute a command or soemthingl like that, there's a description on the wiki Piki http://wiki.arklinux.org/Ark_Security_System Piki i've been using ark since february 2007, never had any kind of viruses, spyware, hack attempts, or other security problems Piki besides, i don't really like the sudo way of doing things, all i need to do is type my own normal user password, and destroy the system, which the PAM modules don't allow Piki and i can assign certain things on a per-user basis, so nobody sees my root password to get unlimited rights, they just get what they absolutely need samelian do not forget about privilege escalation exploits Piki i thought the root escalation thing was fixed? Xu_R_ Piki: the way Polkit does it, however, is when the application calls polkit to auth (via dbus), it runs the application as a polkit daemon user, which tunnels the application to root via a securely locked down env, if I recall correctly (which rarely happens) Piki Xu_R_: if you can sanitize dbus to get bero to accept it Xu_R_ Piki: oh, there's another one right now that is still being investingated. Nice discussion on lfs-dev about it. Xu_R_ *investigated Xu_R_ I can't spell for my life today Xu_R_ no wonder my english teacher stared at me .-. Piki besides, we already have our PAM modules Piki which do the same thing, without dbus Piki Xu_R_: well our PAM modules can work regardless of if the exploit is fixed, and if it does get fixed, well all the better because it doesn't compromise security either way Piki and if the exploit is there, there's nothing our PAM modules can do about it, because it isn't the kernel or bash or... MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey kb9vqf: http://96.245.17.6/ I've sort of orginized it with headers. Piki what Ark needs is a GUI tool for zypper that doesn't drag in any extra deps or luggage we don't need, and we can just use PAM MutantTurkey Piki: then write one yourself MutantTurkey I mean it is Ark linux, it should have and Ark frontend :p MutantTurkey what about Shaman? MutantTurkey oh wiat. MutantTurkey thats for pacman not zypper :/ *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop Piki MutantTurkey: yet i doubt most distros have their own MutantTurkey dude package kit. i am telling you MutantTurkey http://PackageKit.org/pk-users.html Piki and i don't know how to code, our only coder is always overwhelmed by work, and has to fix our dependency mess MutantTurkey Moblin, fedora, foresight, kubuntu opensuse all use it Piki MutantTurkey: we don't want polkit MutantTurkey Piki: YOU ONLY HAVE ONE DEVELOPER? Piki and we don't like fedora, ubuntu, and we only use opensuse's zypper because it's the only option MutantTurkey why is that (jw)? Piki MutantTurkey: well, nobody wants to be seen as a nooby, so they all stay away from us Piki MutantTurkey: they just don't work Piki on any of our systems MutantTurkey pacman ;D MutantTurkey pacman? MutantTurkey what is the goal of Ark Linux? Piki MutantTurkey: all of our packages are rpm, we don't have the man power to care to switch, and we want to release MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey how large is the total team? Piki MutantTurkey: be easy enough for the unexperienced, flexible for long-time users, and remain "technically sane", which means excluding polkit and ditching udev/hal asap MutantTurkey Piki: no reason to ditch udev. MutantTurkey just hal Piki MutantTurkey: one packager/dev, two webmasters , three site admins (including the two webmaster), and a site moderator Piki MutantTurkey: udev seems to operate a bit weird on most of our systems MutantTurkey so basically this whole project is driven by one man? Piki MutantTurkey: yes. we used to have more, but real life took over MutantTurkey basically :/ MutantTurkey what is Ark based on top of? samelian MutantTurkey: do not wonder to much, trinity itself have only two developers :) Piki and i'm about to join in on packaging once i get my system setup for TDE Piki MutantTurkey: based on top of? MutantTurkey samelian: :) I'll be helping about soon probably, if kb9vqf MutantTurkey if kb9vqf lets me ;) MutantTurkey Piki: nevermind kb9vqf Of course I'll let you ;-) samelian MutantTurkey: you have C++ background? MutantTurkey samelian: :o no. samelian i see MutantTurkey I am a pure C coder. though I am sure i can learn MutantTurkey i have absolutely no background in anything, no formal training, no job in real life, nothing. samelian if you don't want to bother with Qt/C++, you can help us with cmake MutantTurkey I can do both. MutantTurkey first i would like to get you modernized with a website and packages for archlinux. Xu_R_ I'm learning C++ right now :D (of course, knowledge = limited right now) MutantTurkey i also would definitely help out with cmake Xu_R_ I think I'll stick with packaging right now, and then maybe take a look at the code :) MutantTurkey i though C++ is not so different than C? I mean syntax may be different and its all object oriented but anything else? samelian it's enough, I think samelian actually the problem is learning qt, not c++ itself kb9vqf Website/CMake can be done while you learn Qt/C++ kb9vqf So you are still of use to the project for sure *kb9vqf is not about to turn down extra help ;-) MutantTurkey i also hear Qt is quite nice to develop on MutantTurkey at least much saner than GTK. kb9vqf Oh yes! Piki if anybody programming in Qt wants to write a graphical frontend to zypper that is just the interface and just passes everything to zypper, using easy-to-understand code and a simple and easy interface, feel free to jump on our mailing list/forum and live support ;-) MutantTurkey I have done quite a bit with GTK and such so I am familiar with learning APIS and shit Piki anyway, must go to work MutantTurkey Piki: i could do that maybe MutantTurkey Piki: as LONG as zypper has a library interface MutantTurkey writing frontend wrappers sucks ass. samelian however, trinity have a lot areas to learn kb9vqf Just be careful not to spread yourself too thin Piki MutantTurkey: it does have a library (libzypp), and a command line util (zypper) to use it *kb9vqf knows from experience samelian for example, kcm (kcontrol) modules, kioslaves, etc MutantTurkey Piki: nice MutantTurkey we could maybe switch shaman to use zypper MutantTurkey Shaman is a pacman for KDE enviroment frontend samelian kb9vqf: seems that glib interface for upower is not so nice as I expected Piki MutantTurkey: we don't want it to have any weird deps on hal/udev/hotplug/etc, just make calls to zypper or use it's lib, which already handles grabbing the stuff from the repos and passing it to rpm Piki anyways, must go, starting to run late MutantTurkey Piki: of course not. samelian I started to check if upower interface can be easy implemented using qt3 dbus Piki bye MutantTurkey night kb9vqf samelian: upower/udev is practically unusable as-is kb9vqf Hence the need for libkpower and friends *kb9vqf had guessed that by looking at the API a while back samelian for sure kb9vqf Linux is not helping us here samelian I will try to implement upower low level interface in pure qt kb9vqf Sure, go ahead kb9vqf Just don't use Qt4 specific things kb9vqf Please samelian not matter, actually kb9vqf Make it work in Qt3 kb9vqf Then TQt can take over samelian I using d-pointer samelian to hide implementation details samelian the API will be the same for qt3/qt4 kb9vqf OK, but if the backend is Qt4 based then I can't switch from HAL kb9vqf We need something working 100% under Qt3 kb9vqf Before a full switch from HAL can be made samelian ATM, i implement qt3, because I want to use with actualy trinity kb9vqf TQt for Qt4 is too far off kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Good :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay cleaned it up bit. what think you? http://96.245.17.6/ kb9vqf It's a bit better samelian try to use an sans-serif font kb9vqf Organizationally that is MutantTurkey that was the focus kb9vqf It definitely needs style help :) samelian serif fonts are designed for printing, not for screens MutantTurkey samelian: i think we use default fonts? *kb9vqf is trying to imagine it in the archlinux scheme MutantTurkey :p kb9vqf Why don't you get the archlinux-like style integrated? kb9vqf That way we can see what the end result will be kb9vqf Just a thought MutantTurkey hmmm? that is insane i think. MutantTurkey I will give it a shot kb9vqf Insane? MutantTurkey let me try. kb9vqf OK samelian if you need help for css, i have some experience with it kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey samelian: great thanks kb9vqf And I can help with the graphics kb9vqf To some extent MutantTurkey graphics? kb9vqf To replace the archlinux logo and such MutantTurkey right. that is easy enoguh MutantTurkey okay, so the archlinux website is written with python. kb9vqf Backend engine is ??? kb9vqf RSS? MutantTurkey python. MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey python python python *MutantTurkey has left #trinity-desktop samelian probably django samelian no matter very much *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey sorry did i quit? dumb pidgin kb9vqf I was actually wondering about the content database kb9vqf SQL, flat file, or something else MutantTurkey django? samelian django is a framework written in python MutantTurkey sorry samelian like ruby on rails, for example MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey yeah this is quite confusing i cannot figure it out. MutantTurkey archlinux has it available on their website's git tree kb9vqf I'm guessing we just need to take its database and tweak it kb9vqf Then change the style elements some samelian i can do it in few hours, but i'm too lazy :) MutantTurkey :p MutantTurkey I think i am going to play pond hockey soon MutantTurkey all tentative though, hopefully the ice is good samelian i'm bored too much by web development in my real job MutantTurkey haha kb9vqf And upower is too exciting? kb9vqf ;-) samelian hehe, for sure samelian brb, rebooting access point *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ is tired... MutantTurkey word Xu_R_ it's only 1650 too... I hate waking up at 545 every weekday lol samelian wow samelian there is 23:50 :) MutantTurkey Xu_R_: EST also? nice. Xu_R_ samelian: CET, I'm guessing? :) Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: Yup, DC samelian EET, i think MutantTurkey Xu_R_: philly up here. samelian GMT+2 Xu_R_ samelian: oh yea, that's EET. Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: oh, well, you have the prowess of living near the crazy Piki (because he says he lives up in philly, no idea how true that is xD) samelian what is philly? Xu_R_ samelian: Philadelphia, PA, USA samelian aa, thx :) MutantTurkey Xu_R_: :o uh oh. well. Xu_R_ lol MutantTurkey MutantTurkey Trinity Drinking party! samelian haha samelian I drink already few beers samelian and same time I try to understand dbus-qt3 :)) Xu_R_ LOL MutantTurkey hahah MutantTurkey relevent text: http://xkcd.com/323/ samelian yeah :) samelian i think I need few more beers samelian wtf, my klipper crashing when I select some text in qt assistant *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hmmm samelian kb9vqf: you notice that kde4 migrating to git? kb9vqf Yes *kb9vqf doesn't want to learn another VCS kb9vqf I'm sick of change for the sake of change samelian hehe kb9vqf My limited experience with git is not, shall we say, positive kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf I'll probably end up cloning the SVN tree and hosting it here kb9vqf Not something i was looking forward to doing samelian yep *kb9vqf goes back to work, grumbling and muttering MutantTurkey git is awesome kb9vqf That may be, but the change sure isn't when you're dealing with a project the size of Trinity kb9vqf And all the automated tools that have been slowly built around SVN kb9vqf e.g. first thing to break will be that nice set of patches on the Trinity website kb9vqf Followed by other items internally kb9vqf Maybe we'll move in the future, but NOT NOW kb9vqf :) *samelian is proud, just getting power devices list using qt3 dbus :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: check this out MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/index_main.html kb9vqf Ooo, nice! MutantTurkey also removes the need for frames, which suck kb9vqf Can that gray become white though? MutantTurkey one thing you want to have is the ability to change everything at once, so we can use php to include source code from a different file MutantTurkey yessir MutantTurkey that is all css able samelian MutantTurkey: try #dedede for grey MutantTurkey samelian: kb9vqf said white kb9vqf Or very light gray kb9vqf Let's see which looks better samelian f0f0f0 kb9vqf I hate the dark gray, that's all samelian me too kb9vqf Also, I'd like that header on all pages *kb9vqf can use PHP I suppose kb9vqf Is the header in a separate php file? samelian actually black header looking like kde4 kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Yuck MutantTurkey kb9vqf: like i said, will be. MutantTurkey WAIT WHAT? kb9vqf ?? MutantTurkey sorry. MutantTurkey to many chats open -__- samelian in any case, the contrast between pure black and pure white is too high MutantTurkey samelian: yes MutantTurkey i am looking for a lighter grey samelian grey is boring, i think samelian at least for header kb9vqf What did white look like? MutantTurkey okay. look we can deal with that later MutantTurkey it hurt my eyes MutantTurkey let me show you MutantTurkey look now http://96.245.17.6/index_main.html kb9vqf I still see gray... MutantTurkey refresh should do it. kb9vqf Are we talking about the same thing? samelian also, try body { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } kb9vqf I meant the header background MutantTurkey yeah sorry MutantTurkey weird padding kb9vqf I was wondering what a white background with blue text would look like samelian nope samelian blue text meaning link kb9vqf Right kb9vqf For the links kb9vqf Not for the other elements ;-) samelian we must avoid blue for texts MutantTurkey there we go. fixed that body issue kb9vqf I was referring to blue text for the shortcut links on the top right samelian the text must be dark grey or black MutantTurkey I am confused by all of you talking D: samelian haha kb9vqf Dark blue for links, black for text MutantTurkey and the bar? kb9vqf Blue, as it is kb9vqf OR kb9vqf What about a background like ktip uses? kb9vqf With the little squares fading away? kb9vqf I kind of like that effect :) MutantTurkey that means a image. kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf One MutantTurkey that means slower loads. samelian now, you need a content div, with some padding MutantTurkey samelian: right. no fucking idea with that. tbh MutantTurkey I am trying to fix the html right now. samelian make this in css MutantTurkey its a bit messy kb9vqf Well, I was just thinking something other than white MutantTurkey samelian: this is a css file. samelian #content { padding: 10px; } samelian then put the content in samelian <div id="content">blablabla content</div> MutantTurkey oh okay MutantTurkey so basically you tag a div with an id and then it reads the css for it? MutantTurkey applys the settings samelian yes MutantTurkey ah. css is not so hard :) samelian actually is not samelian for classes, you can use . (dot) samelian .content { padding: 10px; } MutantTurkey right i don't know that yet samelian <div class="content">blabla</div> samelian the id is used ONLY for unique objects MutantTurkey :o MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey so i start a divider and anything in that falls under content? samelian anything until corespondent </div> MutantTurkey look now :D :D http://96.245.17.6/index_main.html samelian very well :) MutantTurkey great :D samelian do not forget to close opened divs MutantTurkey kb9vqf: so this is definitely good progress. I think i need to take a break fromt the computer. MutantTurkey samelian: of course. sanity is key. kb9vqf OK, incredibly crude mock up, but what about this color scheme: kb9vqf http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=208edsy&s=7 kb9vqf MutantTurkey: ^^ MutantTurkey from now on use imgur okay? MutantTurkey http://imgur.com kb9vqf Ah, much nicer kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey okay that theme is nice. MutantTurkey imgur is just really easy. *kb9vqf didn't know about it kb9vqf Thanks :) MutantTurkey you can direct link files MutantTurkey any way i think i will go for a walk kb9vqf OK kb9vqf ttyl samelian kb9vqf: KDE3 have any class specialized to contain errors (type, name, etc)? samelian I won't to send QDBusError directly to classes which will use libkupower kb9vqf I don't see any kb9vqf Usually errors are just handled via custom (class-specific) typdefs kb9vqf enums that is samelian i want to emit a signal when an error ocur kb9vqf You could always create one ;-) kb9vqf Use an int type kb9vqf To contain the error kb9vqf QString for description samelian right now all apps which using dbus (like knetworkmanager) do not send usefull errors to user samelian maybe we need to invent a generic error class? samelian TError samelian haha, terror samelian sounds nice kb9vqf Hehe *kb9vqf got Kate working (mostly) under Qt4... :) samelian nice MutantTurkey back samelian on the other hand, seems that I will be able to handle DBUS directly kb9vqf Great! *kb9vqf needs to go...sorry.... kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Try the new color scheme MutantTurkey kb9vqf: do you think we should have a right justified sub menu and such like arch linux? kb9vqf YES kb9vqf For release information and files MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay, well how would we integrate that immediately MutantTurkey and i am going to get rid of index.php and rename index.html to index.php kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Put the 3.5.11 and 3.5.12 links in that box kb9vqf The ones that were on the lower left MutantTurkey oh okies. kb9vqf We might move the distribution stuff there eventually, not sure ATM MutantTurkey do you have an rss feed for package updates? or something kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf Not yet *kb9vqf doesn't know much about RSS kb9vqf But I'm willing to learn :) kb9vqf Seems to be all the rage these days MutantTurkey :) great MutantTurkey okay. what we need is MutantTurkey a single defining sentance that defines trinity. *kb9vqf needs to go...sorry.... kb9vqf poke me later :) MutantTurkey okay great samelian i'm not sure how to return values from my classes MutantTurkey return value; MutantTurkey :| samelian bool TClient::enumerateDevices(QValueList<TDevice> &devices); samelian or samelian QValueList<TDevice> TClient::enumerateDevices(bool *ok); samelian kb9vqf: you have any preffered way? samelian MutantTurkey: is not so simple :) MutantTurkey samelian: sorry i honestly was joking. I'm sure its confusing samelian i know :) samelian the problem is that I need to return two values at same time samelian and I want to choose a "standard" way samelian using the first method, is easy to test if the method was succesfully executed samelian like samelian if(client->enumerateDevices(devices)) qWarning("We have a problem"); samelian "if(!", actually samelian the second method is more clear samelian bool ok; samelian QValueList<TDevice> devices = TClient::enumerateDevices(&ok); samelian if(!ok) qWarning("We have a problem"); MutantTurkey right, well MutantTurkey both ways seem pretty normal to me samelian yes, but i need to choose one :) MutantTurkey I say first one, seems more standard C to me. I don't know about C++ MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey so i have it including the top bar now :D samelian C++ support referrences, not only pointers MutantTurkey yes i do not understand references samelian is something like this: samelian my_function(bool &ok); samelian I will call this function in this way: samelian bool ok; samelian my_function(ok); samelian without using &ok MutantTurkey oh alright samelian also, if i'm not wrong, C cannot return structures samelian only pointers samelian or i'm wrong? samelian C++ have operators overloading too samelian for example, you can redefine the meaning of =, -, +, etc MutantTurkey c can return structures? MutantTurkey wait MutantTurkey well MutantTurkey pointers are everything in C samelian yes, I know MutantTurkey but you could also return a structure i think. samelian as general rule, in C++ are avoided, if possible samelian to avoid potential leaks samelian memory leaks* MutantTurkey you definitely can. for example. i wrote a web browser, to dynamicallycreate structures of tabs, i had a function that returned new tabs after being allocated MutantTurkey memory leaks D: MutantTurkey the bane of my existanc samelian valgrind is your friend :) MutantTurkey yeah super useful MutantTurkey valgrind and gdb and such samelian if you check a (good writen) C++ source, you will found that pointers are almost unused MutantTurkey samelian: okay what else needs to happen? http://96.245.17.6/ samelian seems ok for me samelian as layout MutantTurkey okay. great samelian maybe a little bigger padding for #content samelian try 20px samelian for validate html, use http://validator.w3.org/ MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey i am sanitizing it right now. samelian use the same case for tags samelian i preffer lower case for tags MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey it was all uppercase MutantTurkey so i didn't change it MutantTurkey i could use sed to replace them, but i am lazy MutantTurkey it is proper to do </p> right? samelian yes MutantTurkey great MutantTurkey and that acts as a <BR> also? samelian sort of samelian <br> and <hr> can be avoided MutantTurkey hr? MutantTurkey hr is a line i thought samelian horizontal line samelian yes samelian you can use style samelian for div MutantTurkey you can style it to add a horizontal line? samelian border-bottom: solid 1px #000000 MutantTurkey NICE MutantTurkey thank you. MutantTurkey I am linking css more and more :) samelian hehe MutantTurkey liking' samelian actually this is the way samelian web 2.0 :) MutantTurkey gross :p MutantTurkey actually i like web 2.0 just not anything that is over doing it. samelian also, we must avoid <font> tag MutantTurkey http://incise.org is my style MutantTurkey samelian: yes i know. that is obvious samelian for most my own pages, I use incise.org style too Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: nice new layout, it looks good for a Trinity website :) I'd love to see that on Trinity anytime, just maybe not so much looking like Arch Xu_R_ 's website o.o MutantTurkey Xu_R_: yes. we are re theming it. MutantTurkey http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=208edsy&s=7 MutantTurkey more like that. Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: niceeee samelian on right side we can put trinity screenshots MutantTurkey want some on the home page? samelian why now samelian not MutantTurkey if you could send me a nice, default picture i could add it. MutantTurkey I'll make a thumbnail (should be standard) and then have a screenshot section MutantTurkey thumbnails are low quality and low res as to make it loast faster Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: letthe screenshot of the latest release Xu_R_ *let's have it so the screenshot is of the latest release MutantTurkey the screen of te latest release? MutantTurkey can i get one, I don't have trinity :o Xu_R_ http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/ the ad screenshots :) samelian MutantTurkey: for body you do not need to use id samelian you can declare in css in this way: samelian body { blabla styles; } MutantTurkey samelian: hmmm I thought i did that samelian nope MutantTurkey there we go samelian in your css i see #body MutantTurkey look at the html. sanitized. MutantTurkey wait not yet D: wtf is with all these caps samelian close </body> and </html> too MutantTurkey how do i not use font if i want a specific font for one word? MutantTurkey (for the record i didn't write this page, it was already messed up i am fixing it up. MutantTurkey :p samelian <span> MutantTurkey <span>? samelian <span style="font:"> MutantTurkey isn't that basically the same thing? samelian actually is not good ideea to change font face in text MutantTurkey I typically disagree but not in this point MutantTurkey in this case the colors are important samelian i see that here we use font for changing colose samelian color MutantTurkey yeah samelian you can use this style: samelian span.red { color: #ff0000; } samelian and in html samelian test <span class="red">red text</span> MutantTurkey okay. MutantTurkey so span.red span.green etc? MutantTurkey what about <i> and <b>? samelian <em> samelian and <strong> MutantTurkey wow really? samelian yep MutantTurkey i thought we got rid of strong samelian in any case, I do not like very much textes with too many colors MutantTurkey agreed samelian is like a rambow :) samelian parrot, actually :) MutantTurkey what about the totally rank gnarley table he has there, what should i do with it? MutantTurkey samelian: another q, with the bottem border, should i make an ID for each group or one for them all? samelian only one MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey named "section" ? MutantTurkey is that fine? samelian yes, pretty clear MutantTurkey okay sweet MutantTurkey my childhood hobby of working on html is returning rapidly samelian just do not use id, but class MutantTurkey D: samelian as i said, id is for unique objects MutantTurkey schwat? MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey class="blah blah blah" MutantTurkey defined the same way? samelian yes samelian put . (dot) instead #, in css MutantTurkey so .content { padding: 10px; font-family: sans-serif;} MutantTurkey ? samelian yes MutantTurkey for example MutantTurkey thanks MutantTurkey so you reckon this new website will be used? samelian i'm, pretty sure :) MutantTurkey sweet. i hope everyone is impressed samelian make likes grey MutantTurkey links? samelian separator lines samelian for sections MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey yeah, how do i add padding to them? MutantTurkey like, the bottom border is right up on the last line of the divider samelian instead solid you can also use dotted and dashed samelian padding-top samelian padding-bottom MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey great samelian also, you can use margin-top, margin-bottom MutantTurkey okay also, should i create a footer also? samelian sure <msg channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="samelian" time="2011-02-05T00:51:12Z">© 2011 blabla</msg> MutantTurkey yeah all that jaz MutantTurkey jazz' samelian put in <head> this: samelian <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> MutantTurkey okay samelian and before <html> samelian <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> MutantTurkey okay did that MutantTurkey no wait. MutantTurkey its not html is php MutantTurkey does that matter? samelian nope MutantTurkey it does MutantTurkey because i just added it and removed it and it broke the header during it. MutantTurkey didn't seem to load the CSS samelian for browser is plain html MutantTurkey fixed it MutantTurkey the meta needed a /> on the end samelian check with html validator samelian i think you have some errors MutantTurkey thanks for your no stop help samelian hehe samelian at this moment, is my current job :) samelian unfortunately for me MutantTurkey yeah this would be no fun samelian you have no <html> before <head> MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey i am so forgetful samelian http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://96.245.17.6/&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 MutantTurkey the validator is telling me i can't have a /> at the end of my first line, but without it my css won't load D: MutantTurkey I'm already on it :P samelian remove it samelian then will see what happens MutantTurkey no or else my css breaks? samelian is break for a reason samelian remove / and will see what is wrong MutantTurkey the only thing wrong is apparently tables are no longer supposed to use bordercolor or padding MutantTurkey how do i put that into a css property? MutantTurkey make an id for a table? samelian sure samelian try to remove media= from css link samelian i'm not sure what is wrong with it MutantTurkey ? samelian wait a moment MutantTurkey okay samelian try to remove media="screen, projection" MutantTurkey i did samelian hmm, strange MutantTurkey yeah, would it be related to my php include maybe? samelian i don't think so MutantTurkey hrmm samelian hehe, you must be happy that "This document was successfully checked as HTML 4.01 Transitional!" :) MutantTurkey well apparently it is valid MutantTurkey yeah. MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey should i just say "FUCK STANDARDS" and fix the two lines back to the way they were? MutantTurkey i mean other than that it is valid samelian haha samelian ok, remove !DOCTYPE, will check another time what is the problem samelian wait, i will validate css too MutantTurkey okay good thinking samelian http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=96.245.17.6/media/archnavbar.css&profile=css21&usermedium=all&warning=1&vextwarning=&lang=en MutantTurkey won't validate MutantTurkey my mime types are screwey it won't serve it up. *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop samelian seems that your server announce that css is octet-stream MutantTurkey yeah whatever MutantTurkey i'll copy paste samelian must be css/text samelian i think you must set lighthttp to announce corect tyle of css file MutantTurkey I just copied in the text to the CSS validator MutantTurkey said 'grats no errors :) samelian aha MutantTurkey do you think that is why my css is messed up? samelian i think that will working well on correct set server samelian nope, i don't think so MutantTurkey oh well. I am not worried. MutantTurkey it is fine samelian correct "Offical" word *Xu_R_ goes to play with tbottu samelian tbottu: who you are? tbottu samelian: Sorry, I've no idea what 'who you' are. samelian haha Xu_R_ lol MutantTurkey who is tbottu Xu_R_ tbottu, who are you? Xu_R_ tbottu: who are you? Xu_R_ DX it doesn't like me XD samelian he have no ideea :) Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: just the channel bot :P Xu_R_ tbottu, what is kb9vqf? tbottu Xu_R_: Sorry, I've no idea what 'kb9vqf' is. MutantTurkey Xu_R_: needs a different name Xu_R_ tbottu, what are you? MutantTurkey you guys need simpler names D: samelian tbottu: who is tbottu Xu_R_ tbottu: help tbottu samelian: everyone knows that! tbottu is your benevolent host and logging droid, capable of giving helpful misinformation, bug status messages, and translations via Yahoo tbottu Xu_R_: help info /msg'ed MutantTurkey is tbottu a supybot? MutantTurkey It'd be nice to have it fetch link titles and such Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: no, it's the mozilla ircbot samelian tbottu: google blabla tbottu samelian: Sorry, I've no idea what 'google blabla' might be. samelian tbottu: you are stupid tbottu samelian: But you are 'still of use to the project for sure'... samelian haha *[lindaemon] has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R_ lol Xu_R_ tbottu, converter tbottu Xu_R_: Sorry, I've no idea what 'converter' might be. samelian tbottu: help MutantTurkey mozilla irc bot? tbottu samelian: help info /msg'ed MutantTurkey make it a supy bot Xu_R_ tbottu, Convert 25 F to C tbottu Xu_R_: Sorry, I've no idea what 'Convert 25 F to C' might be. samelian tbottu: 1+1 tbottu samelian: Sorry, I've no idea what '1+1' might be. Xu_R_ tbottu, temperature 25F tbottu Xu_R_: Sorry, I've no idea what 'temperature 25F' might be. Xu_R_ :( samelian tbottu: Xu_R_ is sad Xu_R_ the tbottu is dumb. tbottu samelian: ok Xu_R_ XD MutantTurkey okay new theme MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: :O samelian MutantTurkey: change color for menu intems Xu_R_ oooh, ahhhh... /stares MutantTurkey to blue? Xu_R_ it looks perfect for me :) MutantTurkey hahah :p samelian can by a grey background Xu_R_ MutantTurkey: top menu, hovering over menu items should not make them white (aka, unseeable) samelian put this: samelian a:hover { background-color: grey; } MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey there we go samelian or you can do this MutantTurkey I did it (was just a color change, the hover was just set to white) samelian a:hover { border: 1px grey #a0a0a0; background-color: #dedede; } samelian actually samelian a:hover { border: 1px solid #a0a0a0; background-color: #dedede; } MutantTurkey ? MutantTurkey what does that do? samelian in css samelian instead #archnavbar ul li a:hover { color: #999 !important; text-decoration: underline !important; } MutantTurkey you lost me. samelian replace #archnavbar ul li a:hover { color: #999 !important; text-decoration: underline !important; } samelian with samelian #archnavbar a:hover { border: 1px solid #a0a0a0; background-color: #dedede; } MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey I am not sure i like it this way. why the change? samelian just for fun :) samelian can be improved MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey well i think i have made enough progress for one day? samelian i think so MutantTurkey I'd like to get the table working though first samelian instead working on libkupower i play with css :) Xu_R_ go samelian! :P MutantTurkey anyway I'm all done for the day. MutantTurkey I will leave my website running up for you guys so show kb9vqf if he comes back tonight MutantTurkey i maybe be able to hop on tonight. MutantTurkey or do you think i should mailing list this? samelian not yet samelian i think we need to improbe a little the color scheme MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey i do not like white ad the background. MutantTurkey for the top bar MutantTurkey anyway people can argue about colors all they want, the key is getting the website updated samelian for sure MutantTurkey because the current one is a major turn off. MutantTurkey how is anyone going to think of you as up to date if you are using a website from 1999? samelian hehe MutantTurkey Alright well i gotta split. heading over to a buddies to hang out. MutantTurkey talk to you later. and thanks for all the css help *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf doesn't care for the baby blue banner background on the website *kb9vqf likes white much better *strowi has joined #trinity-desktop *ManfredH_ has joined #trinity-desktop *ManfredH_ has left #trinity-desktop Strangelv What would be a better color? Strangelv My guess is it was chosen as that's the legacy heraldic color we inherited Strangelv possibyl offtopic: could we get away with fixing the right ALT key for US keyboards? Strangelv "or would that perturb someone at Canonical? *Strangelv is tyring to get a graphical pattern for a project code named Kookaburra that he's been working on since last week around distractions and the non-vorking right alt is getting to be very, very annoying Strangelv "Actualy, there's two vecrsions of teh pattern. one of them is finished. The second version isn'd done a week and a half later... need to be faster with the next one *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv finally finds the hidden place in the hidden configuration applet he couldn't remember the name for that makes right alt work again Strangelv "What if we put kcontrol back into the menuing system? Strangelv "for *ubuntu? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv pondecrs how to rearrange KControl so that it's less unintuitive Strangelv "The more I tihnk about it, the more it occurs to me that our core purpose is to provide teh most flexible and customizable desktop experience Strangelv Or to take our calling from a GNOME developer who can't stand our product, 'never meet a user accessable control we don't like' *Strangelv ponders logos that represent this. A can of modeling clay? a set of tinkertoys? a handheld mirror? colorful wooden blocks? Strangelv The Ubuntu provided KDE control panel hides too many controls strowi ping serghei? samelian pong :) strowi ah, hi thx for your mails regarding the ebuilds (i'm Roman). samelian welcome strowi i got kdelibs compiled without avahi, still have a problem with the libdir on 64bit though. samelian what kind of problem? strowi not sure if its arts or kdelibs.. compiling kdelibs with arts, seems to need /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libmcop.so.1, which is called ../lib64/.. that symlink is created after compilation of kdelibs. samelian aha, i think is arts samelian but in arts' cmake is _tde_internal_setup_path( LIB_INSTALL_DIR "${EXEC_INSTALL_PREFIX}/lib${LIB_SUFFIX}" ) strowi everything is installed in lib64, but it seems mcopidl looks in lib ( http://paste.pocoo.org/show/332524/ ) samelian is used LIB_SUFFIX samelian you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to apropriate dir? strowi where should i have set that? strowi oh.. hold on a second.. samelian strowi: i think i found the problem samelian -DCMAKE_INSTALL_RPATH=/usr/kde/3.5/lib strowi i didn't see the hardcoded MAKE_INSTALL_RPATH in kdelibs samelian in ebuild strowi ;) strowi ${DEFAULT_ABI} should work strowi need to fix that in all others ebuilds or still create the symlink.. samelian CMAKE_INSTALL_RPATH was I temporary workaround samelian I think the better idea is to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH samelian /I temporary/a temporary/ strowi LD_LIBRARY_PATH = LDPAT H? samelian strowi: whay you mean samelian what* strowi sry, is LD_LIBRARY_PATH the same as LDPATH? samelian i'm not sure, I don't know what is LDPATH samelian LD_LIBRARY_PATH is like PATH, but for libraries strowi ok, seems gentoo-specific... strowi "I keep reading that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is insecure, and for gentoo env vars, it seems to only use LDPATH" samelian i see samelian in this case go to use LDPATH strowi addded to todo. strowi ok, that worked.;) samelian very well samelian strowi: you used my git repo for makink yours? strowi samelian, yes samelian i this is a bit outdated samelian I think *samelian can't type strowi hehe.. which one? samelian git diff show me a pretty long list :) strowi mhh.. can you push it, or send me a patch? samelian the most important I think is kdevelop samelian wait samelian strowi: pushed strowi if the diff is only new ebuild it can wait a little still need to work through the existing ones. samelian sure samelian strowi: there is one more person who working on ebuilds strowi really? who? samelian toxic_something samelian a russian guy samelian I think that would be good ideea to merge our efforts samelian to avoid duplicate work strowi sure, didn't know there was anyone else.. strowi do you have contact to him? samelian he appear here, from time to time samelian but he tell me that his english is not so good samelian I think do not matter to much, me english is bad either :) samelian s/me/my/ strowi well, my russian is non-existant. So bad english es better than nothing. samelian hehe samelian if you want, I will give you right to change the git repo started by me strowi that would be nice, but i can't promise i won't mess up sth... samelian no problem, my ebuild are ugly anyway :) samelian you have account on github? strowi just found another problem... kde-config seems to be missing... samelian be sure that PATH are correctly set strowi its not in kde/3.5/bin/ samelian kde-config is not in /usr/kde/3.5/bin ? samelian are you sure? strowi yes, only arts-files samelian kdelibs are installed? strowi yes samelian hmm, strange strowi maybe i messed sth up already. samelian you changed something in CMakeLists.txt? strowi only the avahi-part. strowi http://paste.pocoo.org/show/332538/ samelian yes, I saw it in your git samelian "qfile kde-config" do not return anything? strowi nope samelian weird samelian try to re-emerge kdelibs and check what happens with kde-config strowi already running ebuild .. install samelian ok, ping me if you found something strowi ok *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop strowi rehi samelian samelian strowi: you found something? strowi well.. i found my own mistake.. strowi i added a src_install, but forgot to call cmake-utils_src_install *argh* strowi so there was nothing installed from kdelibs.. as i said before, i am not that much of an portage-guru. Strangelv "You're making far better headway than I would strowi samelian, my github account is "strowi". samelian ok strowi samelian, how do you handle the Manifests? Do you merge them or rm/add them? samelian rm/digest strowi oh.. there must be an easier way.. maybe via post-update-hook.. samelian strowi: I added you to github strowi samelian, thx, i will still maintain my own overlay and push to yours as i have working versions and i see fit. if that is ok. samelian for sure samelian we are volunteers, after all :) strowi samelian, do you want your distfiles added to the mirrorlist or should mine me the only one? samelian exclude my host samelian maybe I will broke it strowi ok, will you update the distfiles? I have no idea how/where to get them.. samelian I make a lot experiments and is hard to keep is stabke samelian stable samelian from svn samelian http://websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity/ samelian Ladislav Laska (Krakonos) have write rights on my git repo too samelian but seems inactive strowi uhh looks like lots of work to do.. samelian what do you mean? samelian you talk about svn? strowi i have to check how to make the packages from the svn and how/which directories to include... samelian follow my distfiles strowi ok, but first things first.. get a working version.;) samelian hehe, ok samelian if you have suggestions related to cmake, do not make patches for gentoo samelian just tell me, and I will commit it to svn strowi samelian, understood, it was just the single avahi till now... samelian ok, I will incorporate it to my cmake files *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ Strangelv Morning MutantTurkey morning *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil hi all MutantTurkey hey *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil hi MutantTurkey how is it going? *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: I've emailed some guy who had a great article about Slackware and Trinity, asking him if we could include it on the improved website. *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil shit MutantTurkey what? MutantTurkey samelian: hey man i need some formatting help D: toxic_devil а мне cmake нужен на остальной софт samelian hit me MutantTurkey samelian: what do i do with <u> 's? MutantTurkey why did they get rid of that? MutantTurkey ITS FUCKING annoying as hell. MutantTurkey css is great but. MutantTurkey seriously i don't want to define something for a single word. samelian replace <u> with <em> toxic_devil samelian: hm MutantTurkey em is underline? samelian ah, no samelian i have no ideea MutantTurkey :| toxic_devil samelian: cmake у тебя есть на остальной софт? MutantTurkey i feel like they got rid of it for no reason whatsoever samelian i'm against text decoration, becaue is like a link MutantTurkey change for the sake of change samelian toxic_devil: i do not understand toxic_devil ( samelian you ask me what version for cmake i have? toxic_devil эмм toxic_devil блин toxic_devil when will complete porting to cmake? toxic_devil pim toxic_devil multimedia samelian depends what you understand with "complete" toxic_devil блин *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil мне нужен CMakeFilelist.txt на все пакеты samelian there are all done packages: http://www.thel.ro/ toxic_devil samelian: а когда это все в svn будет? samelian i'm not sure toxic_devil в чем не уверен?? toxic_devil почему svn в таком плачевном состоянии?? toxic_devil что у вас там вообше происходит? samelian i working on cmake port only in my spare time samelian so, I do not know when will be ready MutantTurkey samelian: i can help probably toxic_devil вы извините конечно но вы как то неслаженно работаете((( samelian don't worry, is obviosuly toxic_devil samelian: соберите все файлы и закачайте на svn toxic_devil [20:36:30] <megabaks> toxic_devil »Note: these tarballs contain ONLY cmake related files (not trinity sources). toxic_devil пля - да у него всё есть уже - только пульни на свн и всё! toxic_devil »Note: these tarballs contain ONLY cmake related files (not trinity sources). toxic_devil samelian: понимаешь? samelian the cmake files are not ready to be commited to svn toxic_devil samelian: закачай файлы хоть куда нибудь toxic_devil раз времени нет toxic_devil samelian: что именно не готово? samelian i think the cmake files will be change too often samelian and I do not want to flood svn wil a lot small changes samelian can be annoying for other kde developers toxic_devil samelian: вы что договориться не можете между собой? samelian this is not problem, the problem is that I have a rule to not commit unfinished work to svn toxic_devil samelian: у тебя правило? toxic_devil а нам что делать?? toxic_devil как собирать? toxic_devil сделайте нормальную инструкцию по сборке samelian at this moment you can use my distfiles toxic_devil }:-( samelian or you can help to make more cmake files :) toxic_devil samelian: у тебя есть что-нибудь наподобие инструкции по сборке? toxic_devil тогда мы help тебе toxic_devil не toxic_devil ну обидно toxic_devil debian и ubuntu сразу сделали деб паеты а нам фиг samelian this is because deb are using autotools instead cmake samelian I won't using autotools for ebuilds toxic_devil WTF? toxic_devil почему для базы можно, а для pim например нет? samelian kdepim is partial comleted, only kmail are ported toxic_devil samelian: а когда готово будет? samelian i can't be sure, because I working on other projects too samelian right now I have't time to continue cmake toxic_devil samelian: а почему ты один этим занимаешься samelian i have no ideea, because nobody won't help me? :)) toxic_devil на вас кто-то жавит что ли? toxic_devil давит toxic_devil samelian: если даш пример чего-нибудь, то я от тебя отстану samelian please rephrase, i do not understand toxic_devil samelian: Мы не можем ждать toxic_devil если будете так делать toxic_devil ваш проект умрет samelian in this case, you can help it to survive :) toxic_devil samelian: так toxic_devil samelian: давай все что у тя есть samelian everyting is on www.thel.ro, this my website toxic_devil samelian: что нить еше есть? samelian nope *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ MutantTurkey Who else here is making an attempt to do trinity on arch? someone posted to the mailing list again? nattyice something at gmail.com samelian MutantTurkey: if i'm not wrong, David C. Rankin MutantTurkey what is his nickname on the irc? samelian i'm not sure that is active on irc MutantTurkey ah. MutantTurkey yeah i need to ask him what he has done so far. samelian right now, he trying to build kdebase samelian check on mailing list my discussion with him MutantTurkey okay I will. MutantTurkey did he build all the other stuff like tqt-interface and such? samelian i guess MutantTurkey he definitely was doing it wrong. didn't even patch qt3 so i dunno MutantTurkey samelian: is it bad to use the <br> tag? samelian sometimes can be used samelian but most of times you do something wrong if you need <br> MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/installation.php MutantTurkey i need to format that specificially for new lines. so i forced a br MutantTurkey look at the source MutantTurkey is that okay? samelian i think you can use <p> for each line MutantTurkey ? MutantTurkey really? samelian <p>deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu maverick main</p> samelian why not MutantTurkey the would result in excess spacing MutantTurkey i just need a line break. MutantTurkey why not just <br> (break) samelian you can style <p> MutantTurkey wouldn't that make more sense? MutantTurkey what is wrong with <br> / samelian maybe you want to indent a little the text MutantTurkey it is supported in HTML5 and does exactly what i need it to. MutantTurkey I already have it indented 20px. there is a "subsection" samelian actually for code i suggest to use <pre> MutantTurkey okay samelian you don't need to keep <br> in <pre> samelian <pre> preserve the text exactly samelian including new lines and spaces samelian yes, very nice samelian just unindent the code MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey well i kind of like it. MutantTurkey I'd rather actually do like a text box MutantTurkey for code MutantTurkey with a different color samelian <pre> support styles, of course MutantTurkey for example MutantTurkey like MutantTurkey https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rc.conf MutantTurkey they have a text area for code samelian you can style <pre> as a <div> MutantTurkey so <div id="code"> then <pre> in it? samelian nope MutantTurkey ? samelian <pre class="code"> samelian for example MutantTurkey oh :D MutantTurkey so that makes it act as a div? samelian of couse samelian sort of samelian any container can be styled like a div MutantTurkey oh alright samelian in css, pre.code MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/installation.php MutantTurkey eh? samelian pretty well samelian just last line is wrong samelian </pre> must be exactly after .....eps/ubuntu maverick main MutantTurkey right okay samelian because <pre> preserve all line separators MutantTurkey also how do i make it not go the full width? samelian in css samelian width: 70% MutantTurkey would that work for all scenerios? samelian i think MutantTurkey no it won't MutantTurkey because if you have a really small screen it will not wrap the whole text samelian try width: 10% samelian i'm curios if <pre> will be enlarged automatically if the text cannot fit samelian won't MutantTurkey nah samelian try this samelian remove width samelian an put samelian position:relative MutantTurkey nothing. MutantTurkey like this guy has it: http://projectcerbera.com/web/articles/code-in-pre samelian hmm, actually you need a fixed size of code container samelian othwerwise will look ugly MutantTurkey to the specific size of the code? samelian nopw samelian fixed in pixels MutantTurkey D: i thought that was not reccomende samelian will be ugly when the code will have different length MutantTurkey did you see that link? samelian yes, what you look for? MutantTurkey their code box works how i would like it too samelian i'm not so sure samelian his box is narrow because the column is narrow MutantTurkey ah *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: i don't know if you read about my question related to return values samelian we have two methods to return results samelian bool TClientPrivate::enumerateDevices(QValueList<TDevice> &devices) samelian and QValueList<TDevice> TClient::enumerateDevices(bool *ok) kb9vqf OK kb9vqf What's the question? samelian which of them you preffer? samelian in first case, we can include it easy in if samelian like if(client->enumerateDevices(devices)) kb9vqf I like the first case samelian the second one seems easy to understand kb9vqf It is closer to existing methods in Trinity kb9vqf Many Qt/Trinity methods return a bool error status kb9vqf I haven't seen anything like the second case within Trinity samelian so, this must be standard and I need to folow it kb9vqf Consistency is good :) kb9vqf Unless there is a very good reason not to *kb9vqf doesn't like bool pointers anyway samelian yes, for consistency reason i bother you :) kb9vqf No bother :) samelian kb9vqf: also, maybe you have another ideea about signaling errors samelian ATM i implement it like this: samelian I send an error() signal samelian and the receiver of signal check for sender->lastError(); samelian hmm, I just observed that this can be a problem in a concurent environment kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Usually errors are handled via a return type of int kb9vqf The int value encodes an error type which is specified in an enum samelian in dbus environment will not be possibile to do this kb9vqf Then emit() the int error value kb9vqf The receiver can check the int value and determine the error samelian you can't encode as int something like "Method "EnumerateDevices1" with signature "" on interface "org.freedesktop.UPower" doesn't exist" kb9vqf You can also emit() an int and a QString samelian yes, this can be a better ideea kb9vqf together that is samelian also, I want to know from where come the error kb9vqf Technically you can emit() as many objects as you like samelian the same error can come from TClient or TDevice kb9vqf So emit() a device type as well kb9vqf Just make sure that that is an int or other machine parsable value kb9vqf Strings are not reliably machine-parsable kb9vqf They are only there to help the human operator ;-) samelian actually my intention is to help humans samelian is very unpleasant when an application just not working, without a clue for what reason is not working samelian an example is knetworkmanager kb9vqf Right kb9vqf My point is: kb9vqf emit() both human and machine readable values kb9vqf Not just one or the other kb9vqf For every int there should be a QString kb9vqf containing the error description samelian i'm not sure if machine readable value can be used for anything kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Error handling/suppression kb9vqf Spurious errors do happen kb9vqf Or errors that are irrelevant in the current context samelian the error will be emitted asynchronously kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf But the watching program could theoretically ignore an error that it deems irrelevant samelian look, i imagine something like this: samelian if(enumerateDevices(devices)) qWarning("We have a problem, handle it"); samelian emit error("Method call 'EnumerateDevices' failed with unknown error."); samelian the slot connected to error() will show an message box to user kb9vqf I wouild like to have an int there as well samelian to inform him about what happens kb9vqf so emit error(-1, "Unknown error")' kb9vqf Error codes are GOOD kb9vqf For the developer and for client applications samelian I agree, but when can be encoded samelian most of errors come from sbus samelian dbus kb9vqf Does DBUS ONLY return error strings? kb9vqf Or does it also return an error code? samelian dbus return an QDBusError samelian but i'm not sure that dbus errors are relevant in other context than dbus samelian dbus error code have no meaning in applications kb9vqf My thought is: let the application developer determine what has meaning kb9vqf Give them as much information as possible kb9vqf Even a semi-random error code will aid debugging kb9vqf If it is unique kb9vqf The application can always ignore the error code samelian yes, of course kb9vqf Otherwise we start telling app developers what they can and cannot use, and that sounds very familiar from KDE4 kb9vqf ;-) samelian hehe samelian ok, I will think about int encoding and how to do it useful samelian I can emit directly QDBusError samelian but the insulation from dbus will be compromitted samelian compromised* samelian kb9vqf: you know, qt4 dbus API is very different from qt3 dbus API? kb9vqf Yes samelian ok, in this case I will delegate low level calls to private class samelian will be TClientPrivate_qt4.cpp samelian and TClientPrivate_qt3.cpp kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Get qt3 working, then qt4 samelian of course kb9vqf :) samelian actually i can't test qt4 version atm *kb9vqf may have to add the Qt3 DBUS API to TQt kb9vqf I know at least knetworkmanager uses it kb9vqf It may just be easier to handle it with TQt *kb9vqf is not sure ATM samelian ok, will see later kb9vqf Yup samelian i will isolate anyway dbus api callcs MutantTurkey kb9vqf: doing alot of work on the website still. kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Just so you know, I really, really hate the light baby blue background ;-) kb9vqf Some other color maybe? MutantTurkey D: which one? kb9vqf The one in the header background samelian bleah, I have a problem with bool method(&result) MutantTurkey I just have it for the purpose of showing what a color would look like. kb9vqf OK; I do prefer white kb9vqf But that can be changed later samelian for things like QString TClient::daemonVersion() MutantTurkey okay I'll show you now kb9vqf samelian: What's the problem? samelian for consistency, i must to use bool TClient::daemonVersion(QString &result) samelian but seems unnatural kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf There's another way to handle that MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay it is a white background now. kb9vqf Usually you can return a null QString when there's an error kb9vqf That's the way Trinity usually does things anyway kb9vqf Note that a null QString is NOT an empty QString samelian but null qstring can meaning that there is no value samelian yes, know kb9vqf See above ;-) samelian "" is empty kb9vqf Right kb9vqf There's your "no value" string samelian QString::null i guess is null kb9vqf Or QString() kb9vqf I vastly prefer QString() samelian but the consistency will be affected anyway kb9vqf No, not really samelian i will must to do kb9vqf Trinity has always done this :) samelian QString result = client->daemonVersion() kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Much better, thanks! samelian if(result.isNull()) qWarning("we have a problem") kb9vqf Right kb9vqf If you look through the code that type of if() is all over the place kb9vqf isNull means there is no sane answer available samelian but, i have another situation samelian client->hasHibernate() samelian which is bool samelian false ca meaning error or not support for hibernate kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Now just add in the release sidebar on the right. It's looking much better than before! kb9vqf samelian: Use an int kb9vqf -1 being the error kb9vqf 0 is false kb9vqf 1 is ture kb9vqf true samelian hmm, too many inconsistencies kb9vqf Once again that's how Trinity code usually handles things samelian if(isnull), if(-1), if(method()) kb9vqf Passing by reference is not used often kb9vqf technically -1 should always be the error case kb9vqf Never 0 kb9vqf So you have if(isnull), if(<0) kb9vqf Those are the two error cases kb9vqf Bool is usually not returned kb9vqf usually it is only an int return value for error kb9vqf There are too many problems with bool samelian this is for plain C, but i'm not sure about C++ kb9vqf C++ still uses int return values for errors kb9vqf A defacto Linux standard is that a negative return is an error kb9vqf The only problem is that you cannot have a negative QString kb9vqf Only a Null one :-) samelian yes samelian and isNull is bool type kb9vqf Unfortuantely that inconsistency runs deep within Qt kb9vqf No way to change it MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yes i need to figure that out after dinner. MutantTurkey also the side bar will include links and such to web pages kb9vqf Sounds good MutantTurkey samelian is pretty bad to use something like if(1 == client->hasHibernate()) samelian the programmers will assume that hasHibernate is bool samelian i will made a big mistake if will use if(hasHibernate()) samelian because error will treated as true kb9vqf Will it? samelian they will* *kb9vqf goes to look up implicit bool conversion MutantTurkey I am also renaming and reorginizing the structure. kb9vqf samelian: Seems you are correct *kb9vqf is not sure how to handle that *samelian hate to made this kind of design decisions :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: everything is a php file and i am consolidating stuff also. one question, is the mailing list generated in php? kb9vqf MutantTurkey: No MutantTurkey :O kb9vqf ezmlm kb9vqf Old script-type stuff MutantTurkey ezmlm? okay well how could we include the header and footer then? kb9vqf I'll have to work on the integration from this end kb9vqf It's a very complicated system MutantTurkey okay. they are just in media/header.php and media/footer.php for them. kb9vqf Sounds good MutantTurkey yep. MutantTurkey I need to get screenshots also, if someone has ones they'd like me to use. kb9vqf Same with the SVN patches, etc. kb9vqf Well, there are the two from the Ubuntu CDs MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah, :/ (which by the way should be reverse sorted) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: are those good to use? kb9vqf Go ahead MutantTurkey okay kb9vqf I can make some Debian ones as well MutantTurkey I'll make thumbnails and such in a while. kb9vqf Sometime.... :) MutantTurkey the home page is going to be pretty much the 3.5.12 annoucements, a brief introduction links and t he sidebar thing. kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey okay great. I'm off to eat dinner. I'll work more after kb9vqf ttyl kb9vqf samelian: For simple queries such as hasHibernate just return false if there was an error kb9vqf If such a simple query failed then we cannot assume a complex function like hibernate will work kb9vqf The underlying DBUS failure would be caught somewhere else samelian but the user must be announced that hibernate query is not working, but is not because his machine kb9vqf Then you cannot have a bool return kb9vqf Or anything that looks like a bool samelian maybe libkpower have no rights to read upower dbus kb9vqf Just state: This is an int return kb9vqf In the documentation put a warning that if(hasHibernate) will not work kb9vqf and that if(hasHibernate == 1) is required kb9vqf That's the only way to handle it samelian hehe, we assume that programmer will read the docs carefully kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf We have to kb9vqf You can screw up a lot of things with implicit bool conversion kb9vqf I know! kb9vqf Qt4 locks out implicit bool conversion kb9vqf Just do the same thing in your class samelian maybe is better to use bool method(bool * ok), after all kb9vqf NO kb9vqf See above :) kb9vqf We can prohibit the implicit converson *kb9vqf forgot until now kb9vqf So the compiler will emit an error message, and the programmer will change it to == 1 samelian aha, you want to forbid using if(hasHibernate()) kb9vqf Yes samelian i'm not sure if is possible kb9vqf It is kb9vqf Qt4 does it samelian bool is pretty same as int kb9vqf In qbytearray samelian i will check it kb9vqf Basically you make the bool() operator private kb9vqf You will probably have to make yourself a return type class kb9vqf Make bool() private kb9vqf but allow int() kb9vqf Seems simple enough to me :)( samelian but if() will not try to use int as condition? samelian or I cand define something like this: samelian typedef { Has = 1 } TypeHas samelian TypeHas hasHibernate() kb9vqf Actually, if will try to use the int for condition only when if(return == 1) is used samelian i see kb9vqf When if runs into the private bool it will halt the compilation samelian ok, I will try to forbid bool conversion kb9vqf That should do it :) samelian the inconsistency remain with int enumerateDevices(deviceList) kb9vqf How so? samelian is not the same with hasHibernate() samelian also, we have double voltage() kb9vqf voltage() cannot be negative kb9vqf That's easy :) samelian but power() can samelian charge/uncharge kb9vqf Hmm *kb9vqf doesn't like that samelian charge are positive, uncharge negative kb9vqf I know, but... kb9vqf The assumption is negative values are errors samelian yes, but in this case is a valid value kb9vqf How's this: kb9vqf We have a special return class kb9vqf It contains both the value, and an error code and error string kb9vqf Maybe it even has the convenience function success() kb9vqf so you return TDBUSError kb9vqf the application does if(tdbe.success()) kb9vqf so you return TDBUSReturn kb9vqf sorry kb9vqf the application does if(tdbr.success()) kb9vqf tdbr.value kb9vqf Better yet, the implicit int() operator returns the value kb9vqf Just a thought samelian and value must be overloaded kb9vqf Yes samelian int value() samelian double value() kb9vqf Well, that won't work kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf T value kb9vqf type kb9vqf so KDBUSReturn<float> kb9vqf or KDBUSReturn<int> kb9vqf etc. kb9vqf then T value() returns the value samelian but what about KDBUSReturn<QValueList<TDevices> > value ? :) kb9vqf That's OK kb9vqf Just a but ugly samelian we enter to template hell :) kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf But we've been through most of the other "solutions" kb9vqf It's either consistent or template hell :) kb9vqf inconsistent, rather samelian so, we must choose something unnatural, but consistent kb9vqf yes kb9vqf and for most things consistent is OK samelian like bool hasHibernate(QString &result) samelian sorry samelian bool hasHibernate(bool &result) kb9vqf I HATE that reference to bool kb9vqf I can see all kinds of nastiness kb9vqf hard to trace problems, etc. kb9vqf Segfaults kb9vqf :-P samelian maybe for pointers samelian references are pretty easy to trace kb9vqf OK, here's the naieve programmer's take on that kb9vqf : kb9vqf return hasHibernate(bool error); kb9vqf Spot the problem? samelian this is pretty weird call kb9vqf Hint: it'll crash badly :) kb9vqf Well, my thought is this: kb9vqf The application developer may just ignore the error kb9vqf Not want to deal with it kb9vqf But the function DEMANDS a reference kb9vqf So the easiest way to deal with that demand is the call I posted kb9vqf But it'll crash or not compile, depending on the exact C compiler samelian but this call is completely useless samelian return hasHibernate(bool error); samelian because hasHibenate is defined like this kb9vqf OK, wait kb9vqf I think I flipped the two samelian bool hasHibernate( bool &result ) kb9vqf Your definition may work kb9vqf But it's unnatural samelian yes, as i said :) kb9vqf I expect hasHibernate to tell me if it can hibernate, not if there was an error samelian but is the single easy and consistent option kb9vqf I can see lots of confusion as a result samelian yes, you right kb9vqf Let's go with the template return type kb9vqf Final decision :) samelian bleah, is really ugly :) kb9vqf At least that one will throw compilation errors instead of malfunctioning samelian like this KDBUSReturn<QValueList<TDevices> > kb9vqf I've seen that kb9vqf In kdepim samelian and kdepim is very unstable kb9vqf You can make it prettier like this: samelian and very hard to trace segfault *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf typedef KDBUSDeviceListReturn KDBUSReturn<QValueList<TDevices>> samelian i think >> will not work samelian >> is not shift? kb9vqf You can nest templates samelian must be > > samelian with space between > kb9vqf Yes of course *kb9vqf didn't hit the spacebar hard enough kb9vqf It's even harder to trace a logic error kb9vqf IMHO kb9vqf If you expect hasHibernate to return whether something can hibernate kb9vqf and it returns an error status instead samelian yes kb9vqf At least with the segfault you get a backtrace samelian then bool hasHibernate(bool *ok) Borg^Queen hello humans, AIs and others samelian or kb9vqf And there's my bad call I posted above samelian bool hasHibernate(bool *ok = NULL) kb9vqf ICK ICK ICK samelian if ok is null, i will return no error kb9vqf Instant segfault :) samelian npe samelian i will check it kb9vqf Oh wait, you changed the reference MutantTurkey Borg^Queen: o/ kb9vqf to a pointer samelian if is null, no error kb9vqf Hmm kb9vqf I still see this bad code as a first attempt: kb9vqf bool * error; kb9vqf bool canHibernate = hasHibernate(error);; kb9vqf bool canHibernate = hasHibernate(&error); kb9vqf I don't know samelian the elegant solution can be try { bool hibernate = hasHibernate() } catch(...) { qWarning("we have a problem") } samelian but qt do not use exceptions :| kb9vqf Right kb9vqf I still like the templates kb9vqf Seems to be consistant and flexible kb9vqf Honestly there's much less chance of a stray segfault when passing objects around kb9vqf References and pointers have their place, but when the return type is so small I think they are more trouble than they are worth samelian you proposed a pretty good solution like if(success()) samelian or if(error()) kb9vqf Now think of multithreading though kb9vqf The operation should be atomic kb9vqf And those are not samelian yes, is not kb9vqf I vote for templates and typedefs kb9vqf It becomes very simple then samelian ok, i'm without good solution, so, I agree with you :) kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf goes back to troubleshooting mouse events *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: http://96.245.17.6/installation.php :) got it working nicely MutantTurkey it wraps lines (in this case not so well because it wraps based on words and the url is parsed as one word kb9vqf That background color is much nicer than the blue as well ;-) MutantTurkey agreed. MutantTurkey again, that is all for later. Borg^Queen MutantTurkey: cute nick Borg^Queen brb MutantTurkey Borg^Queen: thank you ma'am Borg^Queen :) MutantTurkey :p *samelian forgot how to create a C++ template :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: does Trinity have any color scheme associated with it? i mean ubuntu has shit brown, fedora i think red. etc kb9vqf Not right now kb9vqf Other than the blue in the logo kb9vqf And white MutantTurkey okay samelian kb9vqf: help me a little with template, if you can samelian template<class T> samelian class TValue { samelian public: samelian TValue(){} samelian T &operator() { return m_value; } samelian int error() const { return m_error; } samelian QString errorString() { return m_errorString; } samelian private: samelian T m_value; samelian int m_error; samelian QString m_errorString; samelian }; samelian I think my operator() is not well defined samelian the compiller cry samelian UPower_TValue.h:38: error: function definition does not declare parameters kb9vqf Which one is line 38? *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop samelian T &operator() { return m_value; } kb9vqf Well you can't do it that way kb9vqf What are you trying to do with that line? kb9vqf Return the value? samelian reference to m_value samelian for automatic cast samelian i want to do this: kb9vqf Try &T() {return m_value} samelian TValue val = hasHibernate() samelian if(val) qWarning("we have hibernate"); samelian &T() is not working samelian ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'T' with no type kb9vqf What happens without the & kb9vqf So T() {return m_value} *kb9vqf does not recall if this can be done with templates samelian i think this is constructor of T kb9vqf T is the type kb9vqf TValue() is the constructor samelian but it T is class, T() is constructor of class kb9vqf For builtin types you can do bool() {return a_bool} kb9vqf IIRC kb9vqf Hang on samelian QString cast to const char* with operator() kb9vqf const char * is special kb9vqf Trust me :) samelian aha kb9vqf Try operator T () { return m_value; } kb9vqf Or operator &T () { return m_value; } kb9vqf ^^ I don't know if that last one is the correct syntax though kb9vqf The first one should be correct kb9vqf Remember that pass-by-reference can be dangerous kb9vqf You may just want to pass the object itself kb9vqf i.e. a copy samelian for sure, I will not return reference MutantTurkey are there Debian CD images with Trinity pre loaded MutantTurkey or is that only kubuntu kb9vqf Someone was working on a Debian CD but I don't think it's finished kb9vqf See the trinity-devel mailing list archives IIRC samelian kb9vqf: seems that &operator T() { return m_value; } is correct way kb9vqf I was wondering about that kb9vqf OK *kb9vqf has not had to do that for a long time MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/installation.php all finished. kb9vqf May I suggest that the header logo say "Trinity Desktop Environment" instead of just "Trinity"? kb9vqf Otherwise, ignoring the missing right hand side box, it looks good! kb9vqf Err..I guess on the installation page there is no right hand side box kb9vqf So it's fine as-is then, execpt the header suggestion :) MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey well okay with the header, the reason to keep it shorter is A) we already say Trinity Desktop Environment on the home page as the first header B) it scales better. smaller icon = better for all sized monitors because it can scale down without pushing the list of links out of the way. C) the word trinity isn't even needed really, it could just be the icon. MutantTurkey i took alot of time to think about that one. kb9vqf Well, (and this is just a suggestion, as I did NOT take lots of time to think it through): kb9vqf We could say Trinity Desktop Environment on the top and just shorten it to Trinity on the front page MutantTurkey hmmm kb9vqf Also, people may wonder what "Trinity" is just by itself kb9vqf e.g. if Google points them straight at the install page MutantTurkey yes especially since the front page is actually going to start with an image of the desktop, and under neath say "3.5.12 is out!" and list improvements under that MutantTurkey everything else, will be pushed away. kb9vqf Right MutantTurkey working on this one now http://96.245.17.6/installation_lenny.php kb9vqf I like the overall site layout much better MutantTurkey I need a list of mirrors to add to the working around the problem (i assume we have more than one) kb9vqf I'll handle that MutantTurkey okay kb9vqf I have an internal list here that I can insert automatically ;-) MutantTurkey awesome kb9vqf Thanks again for fixing up the site kb9vqf It looks a heap side better MutantTurkey I am really enjoying this tbh. I have been avoiding the web for a long time. MutantTurkey so getting back into it is fun. kb9vqf Great :) MutantTurkey again, people like clean and simple, easy to navigate. that is crucial. Hopefully this will help sort that all out. MutantTurkey if people like the site, they are more likely to take TrinityDE seriously. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i am changing all references of your email address to our mailing list page instead. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: also sorry, i know your AFK. but I am pretty much done work for tonight. I have converted the lenny 301 page and install page so thats good for today. I'll keep working on it probably monday (tomorrow is very very hectic with band practice and church and super bowl (go steelers!) so I won't be able to do much till then) *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi MutantTurkey hey Piki MutantTurkey Piki: http://96.245.17.6/ what does the top logo say? MutantTurkey i am getting a weird problem from it Piki it's a KDE gear with a T instead of a K, and it says Trinity next to it MutantTurkey hmmmm. now look at: http://96.245.17.6/media/trinitylogo.png MutantTurkey I am calling that image but only Trinity shows up D: MutantTurkey oh nevermind, It was a CSS issue. Piki Trinity Desktop Environment Piki a bit slow, kvirc isn't allowing me to click links for some reason MutantTurkey kvirc is a bit slow for my liking. MutantTurkey a bit to complicated for just an irc client. MutantTurkey irssi is just easier for me to use. Piki a don't like doing things in a CLI, and a konsole is a bit small for IRC for my liking MutantTurkey yeah Piki much prefer konversation, but our repos are still a dependency mess MutantTurkey pidgin works for me also, because i have google chat as well as AIM and IRC MutantTurkey would a Pidgin to Qt Port be favorable? Piki don't really like the way pidgin does irc MutantTurkey yeah It's a bit meh. MutantTurkey but a Trinity version of pidgin would be nice. Qt lacks a good messanging program right? Piki MutantTurkey: considering how popular pidgin is, i'd say it'd be a good idea Piki kopete MutantTurkey yeah. I've looked at the code base not to bad. MutantTurkey It is a glib and gnome mess though Piki but that requires kde MutantTurkey we'd have to clean it up. Piki i'm using kopete right now, rather nice, but apparently the kde4 version doesn't do irc, and the kde3 version doesn't do file transfer MutantTurkey anyway I've gotta split some buds are coming over. Piki i have it setup from gtalk and aim MutantTurkey we can hack in IRC or something. MutantTurkey I'll be back later. or monday Piki ok BQ-AFK gn to all samelian kb9vqf: so far, template based responses working as expected samelian http://paste.lug.ro/131038 Xu_R samelian: making good progress, I see. :) samelian hehe Xu_R go samelian! we're rooting for ya! :D samelian unfortunately, because i'm busy with dbus stuff, cmake port stalling Piki i'll hopefully be rooting android at some point Xu_R samelian: well, I'm getting stalled on the RPM stuff right now too, so we're about the same :P Xu_R I hate real-life doings. xD samelian :) Piki i'm still stalled on packaging tde here Xu_R samelian: see, I'll even convince my bot to root for you. Xu_R well... Xu_R if I can get my bot to say something xD Piki Xu_R: eggdrop with some tcl scripts ;-) [lindaemon] Go samelian! samelian :) Xu_R there we go :P Xu_R just gotta love supybot, it's the best IRC bot eva :D samelian I think I need some sleep :) samelian gn all Piki Xu_R: you like soupy stuff Xu_R wiat... you're +2 right samelian? Xu_R god damn, go to sleep samelian! no overworking! XD Xu_R Piki: maybe. xD Piki i don't really like eggs, but i loved my grandmother's eggdrop soup ;-) Xu_R Piki: GAH. One minute BQ-AFK is on #unitylinux, next minute she's gone. damn lurker. *Xu_R notes to self to kick her the next time she gets on IRC Piki Xu_R: go in #arklinux and type "? xu_r" (include the space, not the quotes) Xu_R Piki: I saw, don't worry. I've been in there even after you banned me from there. XD To be exact, maybe like a day after. *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki LOL just found a video where a couple 5 yo girls steal a car from a guy with a broken leg and run over his legs *kb9vqf doesn't think that's very funny Piki kb9vqf: eh? you know it's not real, right? kb9vqf No I didn't kb9vqf Thanks for clarifying :) Piki well, how can a couple 5yo's steal a car? kb9vqf I dunno kb9vqf Guy left the car on and in drive? kb9vqf Anyway, getting waaayy off topic here ;-) Piki then how do the girls get the gas? kb9vqf Another Qt4 bug I wonder? kb9vqf Qt automatically grabs the mouse when a mouse button is pressed inside a widget; the widget will continue to receive mouse events until the last mouse button is released. kb9vqf That's not what I see :-P *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Svedrin has joined #trinity-desktop Svedrin hey there... I'm currently mirroring trinity for debian squeeze here: http://debmirror.funzt-halt.net/ Svedrin if anyone wants to use the mirror, feel free *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop edakiri how can the font system (and fontconfig?) be told to find typefaces which are newly copied into share/fonts/ ? edakiri restarting once again. *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has never gotten fonts to work that aren't installed to his user directory Strangelv "Thu system level save has, as best I can tell, never worked, all the way back to 5.04 Strangelv "for Kubuntu Strangelv "Can't recall my mileage with Libranet/Debian. It's been too long, but I don't remember having gotten it to work there, either *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ edakiri Does trinity work in combination with Debian sid/unstable? edakiri I'll let you know. *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa toxic_devil :) toxic_devil TokRa: привет toxic_devil TokRa: меня скоро ребята убьют((( TokRa За что? :) toxic_devil TokRa: самелиан cmake не дает((( toxic_devil ребята требуют чтоб в свн все залили toxic_devil TokRa: а самелиан чо то мутит говорит неготово еше все toxic_devil а сам же юзает toxic_devil а нам не дает toxic_devil ппц toxic_devil :'( TokRa Дождись, пока будет готово toxic_devil TokRa: дык у них ваше непойми чо происходит toxic_devil каждый разраб чо то пилит в углу toxic_devil они как не вместе разрабатывают TokRa Вот поэтому я и переползла на Mint и Gnone TokRa ^_^ toxic_devil да куте хочется toxic_devil а кде выпустили версии 4.6 *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil ТАКОЕ ГОВНО toxic_devil на уши не оденешь TokRa "плазма не падает" (c) TokRa Последнее время мир куда-то катится toxic_devil TokRa: бгг toxic_devil у них у разработчиков тринити вообше кто ниь главный есть7 TokRa Да, преподобный Timothy Pearson, он же kb9vqf TokRa Покруче того самого Патрика (из Слаквари) будет edakiri it seems to work as before, except for system notification sounds. TokRa К сожалению, я не знаю ни одного вменяемого аналога KMail (из-за поддержки Maildir и настроек) и Kate редактора. edakiri sound from trinity itself works TokRa toxic_devil: потому и придерживаюсь KDE toxic_devil TokRa: блин да мне языковой барьер мешает,я понимаю что они пиут,а сам не могу предложения составлять(( TokRa Google Translate :) toxic_devil TokRa: ну ну гугл транслейт toxic_devil не с русским языком я тя умоляю toxic_devil ))) toxic_devil TokRa: а насчет kmail и kate не знаю что ты в них нашла такого toxic_devil я привык nano пользоваться TokRa kmail: поддержка Maildir toxic_devil а почта у меня через джаббер транспорт прикрученно toxic_devil * подумывает убить samelian MutantTurkey o/ toxic_devil MutantTurkey: what? MutantTurkey just saying hi toxic_devil MutantTurkey: oh MutantTurkey Does anyone here use slackware? MutantTurkey o/ is a person waving the o is his head, the / his arm. *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil MutantTurkey: i don't know MutantTurkey ah toxic_devil MutantTurkey: You see KDE 4.6 ?? toxic_devil It's toxic_devil It"s toxic_devil this is fucking DE MutantTurkey I have not seen it MutantTurkey I have seen KDE 4.5 a whil e ago toxic_devil KDE 4.6 toxic_devil Is not DE toxic_devil It Is bug report toxic_devil ))) MutantTurkey hahaha *Svedrin has left #trinity-desktop *Strangelv ponders pondering the procticality of forking TDE or even KDE 4 avay from Qt altogether, but lacks sufficiently detailed knowledge. He's also falling asleep. samelian actually qt is very nice framework Strangelv "Qt3 or Qt4 samelian i like both of them Strangelv Are you working ot TQt? samelian the concepts are pretty similar *Strangelv is mostly familiar with people here complaining about how stripped down Qt4 is samelian nope, only kb9vqf working on tqt samelian my tasks are cmake port and developing upower interface Strangelv "My task is bottlenecked by find out where the art is, and I've been sidetracked by what might qualify as my day job edakiri Strangelv: i pondered that. kb9vqfand someone ( samelian?) said it were clearly infeasible without great manpower. *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop same_ kb9vqf: http://www.thel.ro/upower/classUPower_1_1TClient.html same_ so far, I can suspend() and get upower properties *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Nice! *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf I tracked down the popup menu mouse event issue after much hassle and heartache kb9vqf Seems that Qt4 did this: kb9vqf if ((windowType() == Qt::Popup) && rect().contains(pos) && 0) kb9vqf Note the && 0 kb9vqf A nice undocumented change kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf See why I hate Qt4? kb9vqf It took 30 lines of code to fix that kb9vqf In TQt that is *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: Do you think Nokia is smart enough to keep the Qt4 -> Qt5 change minimal? Xu_R makes me wonder, given the community response to the Qt3 -> Qt4 change kb9vqf Dunno kb9vqf I think it depends on their new cell phones kb9vqf And their requirements *kb9vqf does NOT trust Nokia kb9vqf Not after Qt4 :) kb9vqf On the plus side, we should have a few years to make TQt work with Qt5 kb9vqf If they offer a preview for a while like they did with Qt4 kb9vqf That is waaayyy in the future I hope :) Xu_R that would be a nice future indeed Xu_R kb9vqf: when you mean new cell phones, i'm guessing meego, right? kb9vqf Whatever the latest craze is kb9vqf At some point they will go "Oh no, Qt doesn't support our competitor's latest input gestures" kb9vqf "Let's completely change Qt again!" kb9vqf :-P *kb9vqf can be rather cynical kb9vqf Seriously though, I don't know what the Qt5 trigger will be kb9vqf All I know is that it is likely to happen sometime in the future kb9vqf And it'll probably be based on some tech fad (Qt4 was transparent widgets AFAIK) kb9vqf That and Nokia not wanting to maintain a lot of the Qt3 features Xu_R lol Xu_R it's like they're oblivious to all the community hatred around them. same_ maybe qt will follow linux kernel versioning style :) samelian i mean, will remain qt 4.x.x samelian like kernel 2.6.x Xu_R samelian: the way they're throwing out releases it's only a matter of time before they hit 5.0 samelian will see *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop samelian however, qt4 is over qt3 in networking support samelian also some integrated features like webkit and dbus samelian kb9vqf: what is "&& 0"? samelian seems useless condition samelian because return always false samelian kb9vqf: how we will integrate libkupower to kdelibs? samelian we will create a directory named "backend"? Space_Man <samelian> kb9vqf: what is "&& 0"? Space_Man I agree Space_Man but I'm not much of a coder K`zan Binary and with zero? SWAG :) K`zan Essentially would be setting whatever to zero. K`zan = 0 would make more sense if that is what it is doing... K`zan Ah, one gotta love show off programmers :-). *K`zan refuses to ever admit I was ever one of those ;-). *aledec_ has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec_ has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: exactly kb9vqf They shut down that conditional kb9vqf Without documenting the change or bothering to remove it completely!! samelian hehe kb9vqf kdelibs/tdevices/backend/tupower samelian if you don't pay enough attention, you can miss this kind of changes kb9vqf Oh yes kb9vqf Two days kb9vqf :-P samelian wow kb9vqf It was VERy hard to trace kb9vqf That conditional is buried within the event handler core samelian kb9vqf: why tdevices? kb9vqf Hang on kb9vqf Let's change that to: samelian i think something like this: kb9vqf kdelibs/tcomputer/backend/tupower kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TUComputerAPI samelian kdelibs/backends/{upower,udev,networkmanager,sound}, etc kb9vqf OK samelian you agree with me? kb9vqf Well, not really kb9vqf I would like to keep the hardware stuff in its own directory kb9vqf Otherwise kdelibs will become a mess, fast samelian i think backend will be the layer between trinity and 3rd party stuff kb9vqf You'll have to move some other folders around kb9vqf libkrandr, etc. kb9vqf Also, I'm not sure kb9vqf kdelibs itself is one big interface to 3rd party stuff kb9vqf How about kdelibs/hardware/ kb9vqf kdelibs/hardware/backends kb9vqf kdelibs/hardware/frontends samelian depends what meaning "hardware" samelian networkmanager is not hardware kb9vqf Yes it is kb9vqf Well, it interfaces to the network card samelian sort of, but not exactly kb9vqf so kdelibs/devices/backends kb9vqf and kdelibs/devices/frontends samelian so, backends will be direct link to 3rd party stuff samelian and frontend the API for trinity developers, right? samelian so the layers will be:P samelian : samelian application -> frondend -> backend -> 3rd party samelian in upower case will be: samelian kpowersave -> frontend -> backend -> dbus samelian or samelian kpowersave -> frontend -> backend -> dbus -> upower kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Exactly kb9vqf We'll move libkrandr to devices/frontends samelian sound logical to me kb9vqf Since that library is the public interfaces to XRandR samelian xrandr cannot be accesed via dbus? kb9vqf No kb9vqf Direct Xorg calls only samelian i see kb9vqf It's a very low level API kb9vqf :) samelian ok, not matter samelian for high level developer no matter anyway kb9vqf frontends contains all libraries that are supposed to be used in Trinity applications kb9vqf backends should not be used outside of the frontend librariew kb9vqf libraries kb9vqf It might be a good idea to make the backend classes private samelian sure, because its API can be changed kb9vqf And then friend the frontend libraries samelian hmm, will be complicated samelian we can include something like this: samelian #ifndef BACKEND_DEVELOPER kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf Like the old acknowleding the DBUS API is unstable samelian #error this interface should be used just be backed developers samelian yes kb9vqf Works for me! kb9vqf And we'll just reject applications that set BACKEND_DEVELOPER ;- kb9vqf ;-) samelian hehe samelian yes kb9vqf More Qt4 fun....CoordinateMode::CoordDevice (the default CoordinateMode) is just gone. No replacement, and the Qt4 replacement current functions utilize CoordinateMode::CoordPainter instead. Xu_R o_o Xu_R it's like they threw all this stuff in the trash because it didn't look nice. kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf Lots of fun breakage in scrolling views because of that kb9vqf I'm reimplementing it as usual in TQt.... samelian sometime I think that maybe is better to enhance Qt3 and that's all kb9vqf No kb9vqf The Qt4 graphics engine is better kb9vqf But has fewer features samelian maybe these enhacements can be backported to qt3 kb9vqf No, not really kb9vqf The graphics engine is a complete rewrite samelian aha, i do not dig so deep kb9vqf I actually have kdesktop, kicker etc. running under Qt4 with Tqt kb9vqf I'm just trying to stamp out the remaining painting problems kb9vqf Believe it or not, over my VNC connection it actually has pretty good performance kb9vqf Comparable to Qt3 over VNC Xu_R nice. kb9vqf So I think the slow bloat is actually in KDE4 itself, not Qt4 kb9vqf Just a hunch :-) Xu_R probably samelian this is my impression too samelian because skype and qt creator are pretty fast *kb9vqf is glad he is not alone in that impression kb9vqf Ahh, KDE4....the ugly stepsister of the KDE series kb9vqf :) samelian haha samelian i do not used it more 10 minutes kb9vqf I struggled with it for a few days kb9vqf Then gave up kb9vqf I wan't getting any work done samelian i hope that more developers wil join to trinity team after we modernize background kb9vqf I hope so too kb9vqf Hence the Qt4 interface samelian i enjoy very much programming upower interface kb9vqf Glad to hear it :) kb9vqf I also enjoyed the krandr interface back when kb9vqf TQt....not so much kb9vqf It's massive samelian hehe samelian massive task become borring kb9vqf Now I need a way to reverse the Qt4 deviceTransform() matrix kb9vqf Of course, being Qt4, the didn't provide an easy way kb9vqf Grrrr samelian i have this impression making cmake samelian copy/paste, copy/paste, .... samelian borring kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf But quite necessary Xu_R you know, it makes me wonder, did they strip down Qt4 to make the library smaller? O_o samelian yes, it is kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Smaller and easier for them to maintain samelian qt4 are actually prety well modularized Xu_R ah. Xu_R well, then KDE4 made Qt4 look like crap. kb9vqf Qt4 is a nice library samelian indeed kb9vqf It's just not as powerful as Qt3 was kb9vqf In the core areas samelian i like qt4 because I can write servers with it kb9vqf It's obviously designed for cell phones on the UI end as well kb9vqf So kind of an odd mix samelian without gui legacy Xu_R lol Xu_R i see. kb9vqf The ONLY problem I have with Qt3 is that it is not LGPL samelian few years ago I write an tiff/faxview with qt3 samelian maybe I will revive it kb9vqf TQt port it :) samelian sure, is written in pure qt samelian http://qfaxreader.sourceforge.net/ kb9vqf Neat! samelian kfax was not enough when I used faxes, a century ago :) kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf The fax macine just....won't....die. Xu_R xD samelian i think I will write some kparts samelian then a shell similar to okular kb9vqf Sometime after TQt for Qt4 is done we will need to replace KHTML's innards with WebKit samelian but will be available for qt4 only, i guess kb9vqf Right kb9vqf That's the main reason for the Qt4 interface actually kb9vqf Is to gain acces to peripheral classes like that kb9vqf They added power in those areas, but removed it in the core kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf Like I said, they seem to have tailored it for their cell phones and apps kb9vqf samelian: OK, I'm getting fed up kb9vqf You have Qt4 experience, right? samelian more or less :) kb9vqf How in the world can I reverse the QPainter device mapping?!?? samelian i wrote few apps with qt4 kb9vqf I need to undo a QTransform that utilized QPainter::deviceTransform() kb9vqf So I need to go from device coordinates to painter coordinates samelian hmm, i do not reach so low level kb9vqf Well, the lower levels is where much of the power is missing kb9vqf That might explain why some developers don't miss Qt3 kb9vqf Just a thought :) kb9vqf I think I may have it... kb9vqf There is a poorly documented inverted() function that MAY do what I need for 2D work only kb9vqf Time will tell :) *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Xu_R kb9vqf: sorry, going to disturb this channel for a few moments Xu_R #startmeeting Test Meetbot [lindaemon] Meeting started Mon Feb 7 01:50:54 2011 UTC. The chair is Xu_R. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. [lindaemon] Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. Xu_R test test Xu_R #endmeeting *kb9vqf notes that you can use a test channel kb9vqf e.g. #0987970345345 Xu_R lol. Xu_R (trillian is fking up on my comp) Xu_R !deletemeeting #trinity-desktop freenode false [lindaemon] Xu_R: Deleted: meeting on (#trinity-desktop, freenode). Xu_R ok, done disturbing here Xu_R :P *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Piki that was... disturbing. isn't trillian a proprietary win-only client? and why do we need a meeting? lol (j/k on the meeting) Xu_R Piki: .-. Xu_R and yes <kick channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-02-07T01:31:00Z">[lindaemon]</kick> *[lindaemon] has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R ... Xu_R lemme get it out. lol. *[lindaemon] has left #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf One bot is bad enough kb9vqf :) Xu_R XD Xu_R it's the war of the bots! XD kb9vqf Except tbottu has chanop Piki tbottu: what is [lindaemon]? tbottu Piki: Sorry, I've no idea what '[lindaemon]' is. kb9vqf tbottu: what is lindaemon tbottu kb9vqf: hmm... I think lindaemon is a nasty competitor bot, rarely heard since I banished it from the solar system Xu_R kb9vqf: pfft who cares about ops. xD kb9vqf kickban anyone? XD kb9vqf j/k Xu_R LOL, and then it crashes my server. xD Xu_R kb9vqf: do not think of trying that XD kb9vqf I'm not evil :) Xu_R lol Xu_R riggghhhhhhhtttttttt.... xD Piki 999! *kb9vqf uses Darth Vader voice Xu_R xD Piki Use the Source young Xu_R! Use the Source! Xu_R go, shoo, back to your tqt porting! i've got chem and precal hw to finish ;) kb9vqf Not on my channel you don't ;-) *kb9vqf runs and hides Xu_R kb9vqf: yes, go, run RUNNNN XD or I'll go azn on you. :P *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-02-07T02:56:11Z">+o tbottu </mode> MutantTurkey o/ Piki a/ Piki e/ Piki i/ Piki u/ MutantTurkey whats up Piki not much Piki just adding in the rest of the vowels Piki ;-) Piki finally seeing my g/f ^.^ Piki first time in many months Piki we're both excited *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-02-07T04:08:52Z">+o tbottu </mode> MutantTurkey kb9vqf: so i am having trouble with this side bar kb9vqf OK kb9vqf What kind of trouble? MutantTurkey i'll get some help from samelian tomorrow though MutantTurkey I just don't know how to align it properly, He surely knows how kb9vqf He probably knows more than I do about that ;-) MutantTurkey :-P probably kb9vqf I'm C/C++/php/etc. MutantTurkey anyway I've got class tomorrow at 9am so i gotta sleepy MutantTurkey I am all C i don't know anything else. kb9vqf I just never got into CSS MutantTurkey enough scripting, sed, awk to get around too MutantTurkey anyway cya round kb9vqf ttyl *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ Piki a/ Piki e/ Piki i/ Piki u/ Piki y/ too Piki anyway, must go, need to get a hair cut, can't be looking like a scruffy hippy for my g/f tomorrow ;-) MutantTurkey :) *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School anyone alive here? :P Xu_R|School (never including me...) Space_Man hi Xu_R|School Space_Man :) *Strangelv belatedly waves *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil hi all *DarthPenguin has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ samelian? Xu_R hey MutantTurkey :D Xu_R how's the site design coming along? MutantTurkey well. MutantTurkey actually not at all MutantTurkey I have hit a major roadblock MutantTurkey I cannot figure out how to make a side bar like kb9vqf wanted Xu_R D: MutantTurkey yeah D: Xu_R oh noes... MutantTurkey I am waiting to talk to samelian, who has some css knowledge MutantTurkey you can see the current stuff online at my IP address. Xu_R ping same_ MutantTurkey that is samelian? same_ Xu_R: pong MutantTurkey currently: thttp://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey the front page is going to be fully reworked, mostly to show off 3.5.12 and have a screen shot MutantTurkey so a screen should would be welcome Xu_R :D MutantTurkey do you like the design so far/ MutantTurkey ah. that expplains much Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes! yes I do! :D Xu_R MutantTurkey: hmm... why a sidebar? Is the top not enough? MutantTurkey excellent MutantTurkey Xu_R: there are more sub links, unless we should come up with a better place to put them MutantTurkey like, installation notes, CD images, bug tracking, SVN feed, project files, the roadmap nightly builds Xu_R ah. the side bar should be only a short-term solution unless we can make it fit in... because otherwise it kinda makes the site like the old one except with css. MutantTurkey maybe a second sub bar MutantTurkey not at all Xu_R the second sub bar sounds like a good idea. MutantTurkey more of a side bar like, http://archlinux.org Xu_R MutantTurkey: OH. I see. That works out then. MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey i would like a sub bar MutantTurkey maybe that is a good proposition samelian MutantTurkey: you can do this in two ways samelian position: absolute samelian or floating divs MutantTurkey which do you think is better? MutantTurkey i would like to have it best formatted for all size screens, large and small MutantTurkey that is my major concern samelian the right side can have fixed width MutantTurkey isn't fixed with to be avoided samelian MutantTurkey: http://www.barelyfitz.com/screencast/html-training/css/positioning/ MutantTurkey is foxycode a frequent here? MutantTurkey Ricky Thompson MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/TODO.txt *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop DarthPenguin gn to all MutantTurkey Xu_R: what about this (sorry it is rather bad right now) <ul id="list"> MutantTurkey <li><a href="http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/" title="Package Database">Packages</a></li> MutantTurkey <li><a href="./" title="Community forums">Forums</a></li> MutantTurkey <li><a href="./wiki" title="Community documentation">Wiki</a></li> MutantTurkey <li><a href="http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL" title="Report and track bugs">Bugs</a></li> MutantTurkey <li><a href="http://websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity/" title="Web SVN Access">SVN</a></li> MutantTurkey <li><a href="./mailinglists" title="Mailing Lists">Mailing Lists</a></li> MutantTurkey <li><a href="donate.php" title="Donate">Donate</a></li> MutantTurkey </ul> MutantTurkey oh sorry MutantTurkey D: wrong buffer MutantTurkey sorry for flooding MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey i have tried to make a sub bar sort of Xu_R MutantTurkey: not bad, not bad. :) Xu_R can we keep it to the right side, right under the main bar? Xu_R that way it seems to be in alignment. MutantTurkey i am not sure yet MutantTurkey it is quite ugly right now MutantTurkey but i am going to finish watching this movie i started earlier, then take another crack at it Xu_R good idea, go relax :) MutantTurkey alright ready to get cracking MutantTurkey Xu_R: check this out 96.245.17.6` MutantTurkey Xu_R: check this out 96.245.17.6 MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/index.php Xu_R MutantTurkey: in php now? nice. MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey do you like the look MutantTurkey ? Xu_R yes, indeeed. MutantTurkey i added the sub bar Xu_R the sub bar actually fits like that. good job :) MutantTurkey it is doing a weird problem, where it seems to not go all the way 100% width, but if i put -15px it fits D: MutantTurkey i'll ask samelian about that MutantTurkey but i think its very nice looking Xu_R -15 px lol Xu_R that is strange MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey i think it is getting pushed by something i cannot figure it out MutantTurkey i'll start looking now MutantTurkey Xu_R: fixed it :D 96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey no more -15px. it should be working well now Xu_R niceee MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey well. MutantTurkey enough for today :p Xu_R hehe. getting late. MutantTurkey indeed MutantTurkey quite tired kb9vqf Nice job! kb9vqf Can you add a "Screenshots" tab? kb9vqf Tomorrow that is :) MutantTurkey yes sir MutantTurkey trying to convert more of your pages also, I need a full list of all the pages, you said you left some out? Xu_R anyone wanna ping me tmrw like crazy around 1350 telling me to move my lazy butt and finish up trinity rpms? I've been procrastinating for a few days D: MutantTurkey D: kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Well, the other pages are dynamically generated kb9vqf I'll have to deal with those here kb9vqf Mailing lists and such MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hmmm, but you could easily modify them to add the stylization right? kb9vqf Yes MutantTurkey right makes sense MutantTurkey okay kb9vqf But I can't go sending you the scripts that generate those pages ;-) kb9vqf Sensitive stuff there Xu_R lol oooh, what do we have here? :P MutantTurkey indeed. kb9vqf They're firewalled and on a different machine kb9vqf No hacking allowed :) MutantTurkey also i noticed your SVN patches list is generated fine, but should be reversed. Xu_R xD kb9vqf Yes, you mentioned that earlier MutantTurkey people like to see the most recent events rather than ones in 2008 MutantTurkey oh okay good kb9vqf when you send over the new website files please remind me MutantTurkey right. *kb9vqf has a terrible memory MutantTurkey I've got a todo going kb9vqf Great :) MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/TODO.txt MutantTurkey so I'll add that kb9vqf OK kb9vqf I'm going to put up the IRC logs as well at some point MutantTurkey excellent MutantTurkey you log them? kb9vqf That's tbottu's primary function MutantTurkey with tbottu right? MutantTurkey supybot? kb9vqf mozbot MutantTurkey D: kb9vqf So I can do cool things like this kb9vqf But 67 kb9vqf Bug 67 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=67 cri, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESO WORKSFORME, Errors while installing kde 3.5 MutantTurkey use supy bot they are really nice. MutantTurkey oh well Xu_R lol MutantTurkey supy can do stuff like this MutantTurkey !google blah blah blah Xu_R supybot also supports bugzilla, and there's also MeetBot :D MutantTurkey or !wiki blah blah kb9vqf Seems all my design decisions are suspect, hmmm? ;-) MutantTurkey !weather zipcode MutantTurkey !xkcd reference Xu_R MutantTurkey: I'm not bringing [lindaemon] in here for you to demonstrate kb9vqf Actually mozbot can do that stuff too MutantTurkey :D Xu_R kb9vqf resents that bot. xD kb9vqf I don't want to allow it too kb9vqf I don't want to allow it to Xu_R lol MutantTurkey one thing that i think you should add is link headers kb9vqf In the USA we have very strict laws MutantTurkey because I'd like to know if the link is suspicious and such? kb9vqf Link headers? MutantTurkey like MutantTurkey for example MutantTurkey look at my link: http://google.com MutantTurkey (09:59:05 PM) phrik: Title: Google (at google.com) kb9vqf Would be nice, BUT: kb9vqf In the USA we have very strict laws MutantTurkey :[ i always found that handy MutantTurkey right... not in PA xD kb9vqf If it looks like my server is going after suspect content I can go to jail kb9vqf In an extreme case MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey well lets avoid foolishness then and just stick with logging kb9vqf So, I don't want my servers going after outside content :) MutantTurkey word. Xu_R good idea. MutantTurkey anyway, I'm off to bed. more work to be done tomorrow. kb9vqf OK, thanks :) MutantTurkey i'm done class around 12:00 so I should be floating around and such periodically. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: also, quick question, what web server do you use? Xu_R kb9vqf: does tbottu have a nice alarm function that allows it to ping me annoyingly around 1500? I'm back home by then Xu_R I need to stop procrastinating :P kb9vqf MutantTurkey: A hardened Apache kb9vqf Xu_R: I don't know :-P MutantTurkey D: apache. Xu_R MutantTurkey: /me uses lighttpd ftw lol MutantTurkey apache seems to hate me no matter what i do to it. kb9vqf Hey, stop bashing :D MutantTurkey Xu_R: samsies Xu_R :D kb9vqf You just don't know how to configure it :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: lighttpd is great, youtue even uses it! MutantTurkey nice and light Xu_R lol MutantTurkey fast and really scalable and deals with traffic well Xu_R let's not gang up on poor kb9vqf now XD MutantTurkey relevent link http://www.lighttpd.net/ kb9vqf Apache is non-negotiable kb9vqf I host lots of websites kb9vqf For many, many hears kb9vqf years that is Xu_R lol MutantTurkey I know, i was just mentioning it. kb9vqf OK Xu_R the experienced love apache :) kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf An old trusted friend MutantTurkey the greatest part about open source, is the different options Xu_R choices :D MutantTurkey kb9vqf: old trusted friend? my PIII. MutantTurkey that baby is still chuggin along perfectly. *kb9vqf has a PII Xu_R XD kb9vqf Of course I tend to use my 4 core Opteron instead :) Xu_R woah, I beat all of you then? Xu_R I have a pentium that still boots into win98 xD MutantTurkey D: 4 core opteron MutantTurkey sounds magical Xu_R that i need to throw away...sooner...or...later (parents are starting to complain) kb9vqf Does having a 486SX chip laying around count? :-P MutantTurkey i have a intel atom ._. MutantTurkey the joke of the CPU world. Xu_R true that. kb9vqf yuck kb9vqf Upgrade my man! MutantTurkey @30W Peak i don't complain though. kb9vqf I guess kb9vqf :-P Xu_R wow. MutantTurkey exactly Xu_R lol. MutantTurkey i figure i could run 10 boxes for the same as a regular box. kb9vqf Yeah, but nothing beats an Opteron for raw FLOPS MutantTurkey i mean the only reason it is 30 not around 20ish is because i have a hard drive finally, used to use a CF (slot on board) as my main board MutantTurkey some of those OMAP boards are coming really close MutantTurkey well, not a single one, but at 5W they are pretty powerful. kb9vqf Yes, FLOPS/Watt the're great MutantTurkey mhm :D MutantTurkey intel atom has very low computational power MutantTurkey it does very little kb9vqf But to make an equivalent machine would take a warehouse full :-) kb9vqf And uses very little power kb9vqf I dunno kb9vqf I have a Via fanless kb9vqf Never could get it to do very much MutantTurkey via is way better MutantTurkey ARM is where it is at kb9vqf Hey, maybe we need to see about building Trinity on ARM kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey this thing is a great server though! kb9vqf For basic tasks I'm sure MutantTurkey yes. kb9vqf Try hosting QuickBuild Xu_R hm... Trinity on ARM. kb9vqf ;-) MutantTurkey home media server it is wonderful MutantTurkey what is quickbuild? kb9vqf http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/ Xu_R MutantTurkey: kb9vqf's version of launchpad kb9vqf Big power-hungry build farm MutantTurkey D: *Xu_R shakes head at power-hungry MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah the trinity website is quite slow sometimes. kb9vqf Like I said it's under a lot of load kb9vqf Lots of users MutantTurkey really? I am suprised but glad MutantTurkey you use one server for many domains though, correct? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf But Trinity is by far the largest bandwidth hog MutantTurkey well that is excellent news Xu_R damn. getting more and more attention everyday kb9vqf The Wiki stats show some of that kb9vqf Thousands of hits MutantTurkey per day? kb9vqf Per month I think Xu_R it's even attracted the attention on opensuse-kde3 and opensuse-kde (for kde4)... so we're getting there. MutantTurkey that is good kb9vqf But those stats are per page kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey :) righ Xu_R however, I'm just going to put this out there that fedora-kde is ignoring this D: kb9vqf I'm sure kb9vqf Debian isn't too happy either MutantTurkey well then designing a fast, quick website is great. kb9vqf Because of the binary compatibility problem MutantTurkey whats the problem? Xu_R well, maybe if Debian helped us a bit, then it could be better. MutantTurkey and gah I really need to go to bed. kb9vqf I tend to break binary compatibility with each new release Xu_R the binary compat is a pain in the butt MutantTurkey night all. kb9vqf Right Xu_R nite MutantTurkey kb9vqf If we do that the project stalls and dies *Xu_R sighs kb9vqf Oh well Xu_R we're walking a fine thread here. kb9vqf I don't understand the fuss personally Xu_R neither do i. kb9vqf So you rebuild the packge kb9vqf Big deal Xu_R yea. Xu_R according to #fedora-kde (lemme get logs...) Xu_R "mainly because you cannot install kde4 and kde3 on the same machine, and that we can't use /opt" kb9vqf Hmm kb9vqf Why can't they use /opt??!?!? Xu_R FHS packaging guidelines kb9vqf Fun kb9vqf So I can't create a Gnome app named kate Xu_R no major distro can /opt unless it is out of the main distro Xu_R kb9vqf: nope D: kb9vqf Because it will step on KDE kb9vqf Yuch kb9vqf That sounds like a nightmare Xu_R yea. that's why KDE3 isn't in openSUSE repositories (it's in a subproject outside the main) kb9vqf Kind of like a giant polluted namespace Xu_R exactly. *kb9vqf shakes his head kb9vqf I thought Linux was about flexibility and good design Xu_R Mandriva tried to do both, but then they ended up crashing with each other and making 2008.1 a failure-ish. kb9vqf That sounds like BAD design Xu_R kb9vqf: makes me wonder, who made up these rules?! .-. kb9vqf KDE e.V? kb9vqf j/k Xu_R LOL, that'd be terrible Xu_R hmm... Xu_R oh, wait. the major distros. kb9vqf Actually, I thought (once upon a time) /opt was recommended Xu_R for local software that the user compiles himself/herself *kb9vqf wishes that he had the guidelines handy Xu_R that ... I forget the rest Xu_R I know it's like /usr/local, but for special purposes... kb9vqf http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/linux_filesystem/opt.html kb9vqf Third party software Xu_R hey, I just opened that! XD Xu_R ah, right. Xu_R when they include it as part of the main repositories Xu_R they consider that default installation. kb9vqf Huh? Xu_R (bah packaging rules) kb9vqf Default is default kb9vqf Not available kb9vqf Oh well *kb9vqf doesn't really care kb9vqf If I wanted to then I could make a distribution that prevents KDE4 Xu_R yea... it's a loop of crap that ends up with crap. :P *kb9vqf gets and evil grin Xu_R hehehe kb9vqf Distro rule #1: No default widgets over <x> size Xu_R LOL kb9vqf If it's big enough to be pressed with a big fat greasy finger then it's too big to be used on a desktop kb9vqf :-P Xu_R XD Xu_R lmao Xu_R this already sounds like a perfect nokia phone. xD kb9vqf Rule #2: If you have to go more than three levels deep to access a function your software is banned kb9vqf :) *Xu_R is roflmao'ing atm.... kb9vqf Good, good Xu_R lol! *kb9vqf needs to get back to work kb9vqf And stop the comedy show Xu_R okees. although it's 2220, it's kinda late :-\ kb9vqf Yeah kb9vqf gn Xu_R don't worry, I gotta finish hw too. :P Xu_R nite :) <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-08T03:41:16Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil ku ku toxic_devil ауууууууу *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *Coldead has joined #trinity-desktop *Coldead has left #trinity-desktop toxic_devil samelian: возможно к вам программисты будут приходить, вы им обьясните что да как Revan199 iconv -f utf-8 -t koi8-r - PROFIT kb9vqf ?? Revan199 kb9vqf: I'm using KOI8-R encoding in IRC (exactly, XMPP transport do) kb9vqf Oh, OK Revan199 and toxic_devil wrote his message in UTF-8 kb9vqf Just wanted to make sure you weren't a spam bot or something :) Revan199 kb9vqf: ah =) Revan199 3.5.1210/03/2010 :o kb9vqf What's wrong with that? kb9vqf We're on an approximately 6 month long release cycle kb9vqf It may need to be lengthened some IMHO kb9vqf To ensure a high quality release Revan199 it like propietary model %( Revan199 %)* kb9vqf ? Revan199 also interested why Trinity 3* Revan199 why not 1.5.12? kb9vqf You think the releases are too fast? kb9vqf 3.* is just to continue the KDE series numbers kb9vqf Believe it or not a lot of code checks for >3.5 kb9vqf >=3.5.x that is kb9vqf Also, users would get confused if we switched from version 3 to version 1 *kb9vqf is interested in your opinion of the release cycle though Revan199 kb9vqf: maybe one month? kb9vqf There is no way we can generate releases that often without introducing major bugs at each release kb9vqf Or allowing the software to stagnate Revan199 2 months? kb9vqf Still very tight kb9vqf It usually takes me 2 months just to build the Ubuntu and Debian packages kb9vqf Lots of software kb9vqf Lots of places where things can break kb9vqf We need to make each release ultra stable kb9vqf To differentiate this project from KDE kb9vqf IMO kb9vqf Otherwise we will experience the same backlash kb9vqf "Trinity DE ate my cat and now I love Gnome instead" ;-) Revan199 kb9vqf: what? kb9vqf If users encounter bugs they tend to switch to a more stable desktop kb9vqf That's my experience kb9vqf If we shorten the release cycle too much we will introduce lots of bugs kb9vqf Simply due to the fact that no testing can occur within that short of a time frame samelian we can release maintenance releases kb9vqf Yes Revan199 http://translate.google.ru/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxforum.ru%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D6838 my opinion (9/22/2010) about Trinity kb9vqf Those I could see being released much faster kb9vqf Revan199: Thanks kb9vqf Also, there is a very good example of why a fast release cycle is bad kb9vqf Those Ubuntu icos snuck in kb9vqf *icons kb9vqf They are NOT supposed to be there kb9vqf But they were not caught until after the release was already made kb9vqf I was rushing with the Debian packages kb9vqf And it shows :-( kb9vqf I would really like someone else to take over Debian packaging Revan199 do you know about Pardus Corporate2? Revan199 not me :-D kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I have not used it Revan199 my Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3400+ can't kb9vqf You can use QuickBuild kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf digresses kb9vqf I did hear about Pardus on the mailing list Revan199 3 hours for kernel kb9vqf I just need someone to upload packages to the build system Revan199 I think that there is a good idea to cooperate with them kb9vqf Maintain the packaging, etc. kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf They use Trinity, correct? Revan199 nope kb9vqf Hmmm Revan199 they use KDE3 with patches Revan199 own patches kb9vqf Trinity contains a lot of patches from various distros kb9vqf I would not mind incorporating theoirs kb9vqf *theirs kb9vqf However, patching may not be straightforward any more kb9vqf The Trinity codebase has already diverged significantly from KDE3.5.10 kb9vqf Trinity has features that are not available in any other KDE3 maintinance series kb9vqf Functionality has been moved into core libraries kb9vqf new core libraries that is kb9vqf I am tempted to make the next release 3.5.6 kb9vqf To emphasize the API changes kb9vqf revan199: If I could offload Debian/Ubuntu packaging to another group I would be willing to shorten the release cycle some kb9vqf I don't know if you know of anyone who might want to take over :) Xu_R kb9vqf: you mean 3.6 :P kb9vqf Yes I do kb9vqf Sorry kb9vqf 3.6.0 Revan199 kb9vqf: I don't kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Just thought I'd ask kb9vqf :) Revan199 kb9vqf: maybe, someone in debian-kde? kb9vqf They don't like my API/ABI changes from release to release kb9vqf But without them the project will die kb9vqf Linux changes kb9vqf And Trinity must change as well kb9vqf Maybe after 3.6.0 they will look at it again kb9vqf But we have a lot of work to do before we can declare kdelibs as stable and unchanging Revan199 what TDE thinks about HAL? =) kb9vqf We want HAL gone! kb9vqf samelian is working on a nice replacement kb9vqf It will eventually follow this kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/save/Developers/KPowerAPI Revan199 Bad Request: GET denied for save kb9vqf This is one reason we can't stabilize the kdelibs API yet :) *Xu_R kicks HAL out of the installation with a pointy boot kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/Developers/KPowerAPI kb9vqf Wrong URL, sorry *kb9vqf hates Firefox autocomplete from time to time Xu_R hehe kb9vqf Somehow Firefox thinks I saved the page more than I viewed it (???) Xu_R lol kb9vqf Honestly I'm thinking we need to block the next release on these two items: kb9vqf 1. CMake kb9vqf 2. HAL kb9vqf samelian ^^ kb9vqf Automake is a big, big problem kb9vqf And HAL is not available anymore on several distros samelian i think cmake will not be stable for next few months samelian and hal replacement is pretty big change too kb9vqf Yes, but I don't want to release yet another buggy release *kb9vqf is not sure kb9vqf All I know is that Trinity won't even build under Ubuntu without CMake kb9vqf And Gentoo, and RedHat kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf We have to block on CMake kb9vqf HAL is not as important as CMake is Revan199 kb9vqf: what the problem with CMake and Ubuntu? kb9vqf Actually it's a problem with Automake and Ubuntu kb9vqf CMake works just fine under Ubuntu kb9vqf But Trinity does not have full support for CMake yet kb9vqf I think I will have to wait for full CMake support before I can release the next version of Trinity kb9vqf Which means that I will probably be helping with that :-P *kb9vqf does not look forward to it *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian ^^ kb9vqf You may have to give me a crash course in CMake in the next few weeks kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Even better, could you put your porting process on the Wiki? samelian sure kb9vqf Step-by-step instructions for taking the Automake file and creating a CMake file from it? kb9vqf Thanks :) *kb9vqf suggests http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *DarthPenguin has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop DarthPenguin ok going for a while bbl tbottu Trinity web services going offline for routine maintinance. Estimated service restoration date 02/09/2011. *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-09T03:35:38Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-09T03:37:27Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kornbluth.freenode.net" time="2011-02-09T04:25:39Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *raso has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R oh dear. net splits... again. *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv gets a 404 from http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/irc/logs.html *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *PtitGNU has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil hi all kb9vqf hello kb9vqf Any new programmers to help with CMake? ;-) toxic_devil kb9vqf: to you no one came? "((( kb9vqf I did not see anyone kb9vqf Or they did not announce themselves toxic_devil kb9vqf: I spoke yesterday with many programmers, but probably not enough ((( kb9vqf OK *kb9vqf will wait patiently kb9vqf samelian is supposed to be putting a general Automake-to-CMake porting guide on the Wiki kb9vqf That may help some kb9vqf I wonder where MutantTurkey ran off to? kb9vqf The new website may help as well ;-) *eldarion has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil kb9vqf: hm toxic_devil kb9vqf: I try to do anything, but it does not work ((( kb9vqf ?? toxic_devil kb9vqf: They tell me that I need to learn to program ((( kb9vqf Oh, OK :-P toxic_devil kb9vqf: I never learn this (( kb9vqf I know that KDE4 itself is also very short on developers kb9vqf I wonder if this is just a result of the bad global economy kb9vqf People don't have as much spare time any more toxic_devil kb9vqf: is not the problem kb9vqf I was speaking in general terms, not just about you ;-) kb9vqf Sorry kb9vqf toxic_devil: You know, CMake porting is supposed to be somewhat easy kb9vqf Not like programming kb9vqf When samelian gets the Wiki page up maybe you can look at it? kb9vqf I don't know if you have the time though toxic_devil kb9vqf: I will be one of the first who will see it kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Sounds great! kb9vqf :) Piki seems like everyone who mentions an image is trying to send me that image... kinda wandering why? kb9vqf ? samelian kb9vqf: as you noticed, my english is not very well, so my cmake documentation will be like a tutorial kb9vqf That's perfect kb9vqf I can clean up the English kb9vqf But I don't know how to port to CMake myself kb9vqf That's why you have to write the basic process first samelian i create some macros which make this process really easy kb9vqf Even better :) toxic_devil samelian: hi samelian I started the article samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess Piki kb9vqf: every time i see mention of an image in irc, i seem to get a DCC send request from that person for that image kb9vqf Piki: On this channel or others? samelian now I will add basic usage of these macros, syntax and formatting rules *kb9vqf wants to know if he set something up wrong...again.... Piki kb9vqf: every channel kb9vqf Piki: Konversation or all clients kb9vqf ? Piki kb9vqf: kvirc, haven't gotten konversation fixed yet kb9vqf OK, just wanted to make sure it wasn't my problem ;-) *kb9vqf has not gotten any DCC requests Piki kb9vqf: it's mostly this channel, nobody ever visits #arklinux-devel, and #arklinux is slow, but both #arklinux and this channel do it when i see an image Piki i don't think there's a way to set a channel to do that anyway ;-) Piki and the send requests aren't from tbottu kb9vqf No, I don't think so either kb9vqf Strange Piki but from the user that mentions the user kb9vqf I wonder if it is a kvirc issue or not kb9vqf Probably not though Piki and it isn't the same nick all the time, just whoever mentions the image kb9vqf DCC requests are sender-initiated IIRC kb9vqf Someone may have a buggy client samelian argh... I hate wiki :) kb9vqf That's not good :( Piki kb9vqf: i doubt it's kivrc, this didn't happen a couple weeks ago when i last reinstalled ark samelian it's too hard to formatiing samelian kb9vqf: I will post my tutorial on forum kb9vqf What are you trying to do? samelian right now i want to paste a code kb9vqf And there are no code blocks kb9vqf I wish FOSWiki would fix that samelian ah, nice, I will use plain wiki markers kb9vqf There you go :) kb9vqf I just found that <verbatim> is supposed to work; that might be what you are using? kb9vqf http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/System/TextFormattingRules samelian wait, I will try samelian seems ok kb9vqf Hmm, my rules are different kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/System/TextFormattingRules kb9vqf I think I am missing the code extension *kb9vqf goes to check samelian kb9vqf: the wiki is a pain in the ass :) kb9vqf Working on it; hang on samelian eating my </verbatim> markers kb9vqf Ok, the wiki is gaining a lot of features very shortly kb9vqf Including talk pages :) kb9vqf And MediWiki syntax support samelian nice *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop samelian I think we need two distinct articles samelian how to build trinity using cmake samelian and how to port automake to cmake samelian Xu_R: ping kb9vqf Yes, I agree kb9vqf Two separate articles *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Ues this for the second article: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuildTrinityWithCMake kb9vqf *Use kb9vqf Also, if you like MediWiki syntax you can try this: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/System/EditSyntaxPlugin Piki kb9vqf: what are we doing using a wiki meant for medical work ;-) kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf It's actually quite powerful Piki kb9vqf: can't say i've heard of it, but at some point if it is really that powerful, i may do a test instal kb9vqf FOSWiki? Piki mediwiki kb9vqf MediaWiki Piki and perhaps foswiki, but never liked the FOSwiki ui kb9vqf I was referring to FOSWiki being quite powerful ;-) kb9vqf MediaWiki does have some drawbacks IIRC Piki kb9vqf: hmm? kb9vqf I don't remember what they are right now ;-) kb9vqf Sorry kb9vqf My research into Wikis was done a long time ago *samelian hate html WYSIWYG Piki kb9vqf: i've not used many wikis, but with the few i tried, i definitely like mediawiki best kb9vqf I have heard that from a few people now Piki samelian: have you tried CKEditor? or are you designing a new page at home? samelian CKEditor is bad as any other javascript WYSIWYG editor :) Piki kb9vqf: i'll have to try a bunch of wikis at some point, see what i would like the best, just not much time, and trying to use today to relax Piki samelian: it's not too bad, but i don't like html WYSIWYG eithre Piki CKEditor is one of the few ones that are "ok" Piki kb9vqf: wikipedia has a comparison of wiki software, if you want to look at it kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf That's what I used to select FOSWiki :) kb9vqf BTW I just ran an upgrade to the latest FOSWiki version kb9vqf samelian, If you run into problems let me know samelian ok Strangelv Does it helyp to say that FOSWiki is the second best wiki I've used? Strangelv I would definietly want to put some things from MediaWiki into it samelian nope :) Strangelv Probably number one is to save the markup, not html derived form teh markup Strangelv "Things get lost in shuffling back and forth Strangelv "especially ones related to formatting Strangelv Talk pages would be really helpful too kb9vqf Strangelv: Talk pages are now available :) Piki kb9vqf: if we have someone that can do the FOSwiki syntax, i can start adding some normal user documentation after a few more TDE releases (or at least, whenever i get an opening in my schedule) Strangelv Oh good Strangelv :: looks to see if the IRC archive is up since the last time he looked kb9vqf Not yet *kb9vqf got sidetracked with the Wiki :-P Strangelv :: instead notices tha it's no longer announced on welcoming kb9vqf Should be Strangelv Wasn't announced when I reconnected Strangelv I don't have reliable logging in Konversation, and chat logs often contain excellent material to dump into talk pages Strangelv ...Admittedly teh only wiki that I know wher ethis is done is behind an apache door dragon and an NDA kb9vqf It'll be up as soon as I get the HTML converter working ;-) Strangelv html converter? Piki kb9vqf: keep forgetting to mention this, but on Trinity home page -> Download Project Files, 3.5.12 isn't listed, just 3.5.11, and some people will notice this link before they see the Official Releases section further down the nav bar Piki kb9vqf: mozbot doesn't have a plugin to do the chat logs in html? kb9vqf It does them in an XML format kb9vqf Which won't work in Firefox Piki hmm, if it accepts eggdrop-style tcl scripts, there are a couple eggdrop scripts, but i doubt mozbot would accept those kb9vqf Probably not kb9vqf It won't take long to get it working, I just haven't had the time today kb9vqf Anyone working on the Wiki may want to bookmark this: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/System/TextFormattingRules kb9vqf Lots of good stuff in there Strangelv That's more informative that waht I'd been going by. That should help, whenever I get back to work on hunting down files so I can figure out waht I need to wokr on Piki kb9vqf: dunno if this will help with the chat logs, but i found http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/Snippets/ircLOG2HTML-10301.html Piki never used it myself, can't say how it works kb9vqf That's what I'll be using *Strangelv doesn't see an equivalent to <BR clear="all"/>, but wonders if <sticky/> could help kb9vqf I have to massage the mozbot xml log to xchat style Piki kb9vqf: perhaps if i get a chance at some point, i can setup a mozbot in a private channel and create one that can skip xml and go directly to html *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Piki i'm not a coder, but a chance to learn Xu_R|School kb9vqf: nice touch with the tbottu welcome :) kb9vqf :) *Xu_R|School has to endure another 40 minutes... helpppppppp xD Piki i didn't know tbottu had a welcome? kb9vqf Piki: Disconnect from the channel and you will see it when you reconnect Xu_R|School kb9vqf: it sends the message via /notice, right? kb9vqf Yes *Piki has left #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School knew it. :D *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf See it? Piki now i do kb9vqf I only added it yesterday Piki using /msg, i assume? Xu_R|School when we all netsplit lol kb9vqf /notify, actually Xu_R|School Piki: no, via /notice kb9vqf Yes, that *kb9vqf did a thinko Piki lol i hope we don't get 100 people joining at once, tbottu may get confused Xu_R|School Piki: does 15 people count? XD Xu_R|School (net split last night caused mass d/c and r/c) kb9vqf Tbottu will notify each person in turn tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'will notify each person in turn' might be. samelian kb9vqf: is any way to disable WYSIWYG on foswiki, for my account ? kb9vqf samelian: Maybe kb9vqf I was looking into that Piki kb9vqf: i'm talking within a couple seconds, and tbottusees quite a few of them joining at the same time kb9vqf Piki: Right kb9vqf he'll flood the server :-P kb9vqf There is still a split second between each join notice kb9vqf That's enough Xu_R|School wheeeeeeeee lol Xu_R|School o_O speaking of that, my bot just had a d/c *Xu_R|School goes to fix stuff kb9vqf samelian: I can shut down the WYSIWY editor wiki-wide kb9vqf Do you want me to try that? kb9vqf I never use it anyway kb9vqf Seems more trouble than it is worth samelian maybe someone want to use it kb9vqf Yes, but it is corrupting the articles kb9vqf That's what bugs me Xu_R|School :-\ samelian ok then, disable it Xu_R|School foswiki seems to have a way of screwing over people editing with its wysiwyg editor :P samelian hehe Strangelv I've been starting wtih WYSIWYG, then disable and fix things it messes up Strangelv "largely because until the formatting link that was pasted here a few minuets ago I couldn't get some things to wokr otherwise Xu_R|School :( Strangelv What I'd found on my own was a bit more limited Strangelv "at the moment I'm at wokr stoppage until I can get back ot hunting down files to find out what I need to work on Xu_R|School kb9vqf: are the servers still down? kb9vqf No Strangelv "Unless someone else finds firles for me to wokr on -- taht would help kb9vqf But one just failed kb9vqf Dunno why kb9vqf It happened like 30 seconds ago Xu_R|School o_O Xu_R|School I just tried to connect like 30 seconds ago *Xu_R|School hides behind tbottu *kb9vqf runs to check the rack Piki looks like the one holding the trinity page (just cause i like saying the obvious ;-)) *Xu_R|School doesn't try accessing it anymore from school Xu_R|School I don't feel like arguing with administration and central office on the basis of their windows logs calling using the internet "hacking" samelian haha Xu_R|School I've done it once, and I seriously hold a grudge against my school, Xu_R|School oh. Xu_R|School they also lied to me about their logs Xu_R|School they were like, we got reports that you were trying to use /etc/passwd Xu_R|School me: I have server logs here. My connection never made it to the server. Xu_R|School because your windows thing blocked me out of it and called it hacking. *Xu_R|School facepalms them Piki Xu_R: i seriously hold a grudge against anyone that thinks that windows is the best thing in the entire universe and that linux is a virus ant that linux users are radicals who want to take over the world Piki and that seems like pretty much everyone these days Piki including my own mother, who always told me to fight for my own beliefs and is now trying to convince me to use windows Xu_R|School Piki: not necessarily. Xu_R|School i know people that are not computer geeks that hate windows ;) Piki Xu_R: i've only met one of those, everyone else seems to hate linux kb9vqf OK, server's back up Piki at least here in PA kb9vqf A lot of people think Linux is for geeks only Xu_R|School kb9vqf: loaded. nice :D kb9vqf WYSIWYG editor is disabled kb9vqf samelian ^^ samelian thx Strangelv :: doesn't know anyone in PA who isn't a geek. Yes, he doesn't know many people theer at all. How did you guess? samelian now I must to learn foswiki syntax :) Xu_R|School lol Strangelv! samelian for explain cmake language, I must learn wiki language :)) Piki kb9vqf: really? who would think that? linux is for braindead people who don't know a thing about computers! lol kb9vqf samelian: You can enable a different syntax if you want kb9vqf Piki: Well, KDE4 is not helping there :-P samelian cmake syntax, maybe? :) kb9vqf Neither is Gnome kb9vqf samelian: Nope, sorry :-P samelian haha Xu_R|School samelian: if it was cmake syntax, we'd have all this converted to cmake already :P samelian for sure Piki there was a point where linux was geeks-only, the normal user thing is recent samelian we convert anything to cmake :) kb9vqf samelian: Is it still eating your </verbatim> tags? samelian wait Piki kb9vqf: yeah, GNOME never helped with that, and KDE4 certainly isn't helping either, i'm only surviving KDE4 because i've been a linux user for a few years ;-) kb9vqf The only things that kept me from going back to Windows were the $$$$$ needed and the same stupid interface on Windows 7 kb9vqf :-P samelian seems fine now Xu_R|School samelian: :: goes on a cmake conversion rampage :: :P kb9vqf Great! kb9vqf I'll leave the WYSIWYG editor disabled then Strangelv "So we have someone who's actually using KDE4? What's theer that's good to cannibalize after the Qt4 migration besides Konqueror? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: one reason i can use windows: gov license thanks to my dad :D kb9vqf KDevelop (maybe) kb9vqf Hehe Xu_R|School (well, gov discount >:D) kb9vqf Yeah, but try that with the server editions Xu_R|School strangelv: everything. XD Xu_R|School kb9vqf: I have 2003 and 2008 R2 sitting on my desk at home, unused cause my dad got those for free somehow o.o kb9vqf Dunno how kb9vqf Those are NOT CHEAP Xu_R|School of course Xu_R|School did I mention UNUSED XD kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf M$ is watching you... Xu_R|School XD *kb9vqf gets evil grin agani Piki kb9vqf: i used to like the xp UI, it was the continued unstability and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ pushed me Xu_R|School screw MS Xu_R|School I have openSUSE XD kb9vqf Piki: Yup kb9vqf Same here *Strangelv 's MS Windows migration path hit a dead end when he didn't like the XP licence. He has a still shrinkwrapped 2000 box he bought on EBay he wants to install to a kvm when he has time to figure it out kb9vqf I found KDE3.5.....then they dumped it :angry: Piki Strangelv: i don't like kde4, i only use it because i haven't managed to package TDE for my fave distro Strangelv "I've actually been using KDE singe KDE 2 kb9vqf I've seen KDE2 Xu_R|School kb9vqf: :( kb9vqf KDE3 is a vast improvement Strangelv "I understand that you probabyl idon't like it, just noting the potential usefulness of someone looking at it Xu_R|School I started with KDE3. :D kb9vqf KDE4 is worse than KDE2 kb9vqf :) Xu_R|School kb9vqf: LOL ouch Xu_R|School pwnage Strangelv "I liked KDE 2 a lot more than GNOME kb9vqf I have used KDE2 actually kb9vqf So I can say that with some confidence Xu_R|School Strangelv: for me, I actually like GNOME 2 right now... Strangelv And KDE 2 didn't inspire me to want to throw my monitor across the room Piki i like windows vista better than GNOME kb9vqf I hate Gnome personally samelian I using kde from 1.3, if i correct remember Strangelv clap *Xu_R|School claps for samelian :D *Strangelv claps kb9vqf for me, KDE4 < Windows 7 < KDE2 < Windows 2000 < KDE3 kb9vqf Gnome < KDE2 Strangelv "it's been too long since KDE 2 for me to evaluate it Xu_R|School me: KDE3 > GNOME > Windows 7 > KDE4 Xu_R|School lol. kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf I see a trend samelian kde2 was great for that times Strangelv "It was a gradual progression where it mostly kept improwving except for a now missing setting from Konqueror I desperately want back Xu_R|School kde4 is all the way at the bottom anyway XD kb9vqf Stragelv: Yep. Then it took a nosedive for the worse Piki kde3 > windows 7 > windows vista > gnome Piki gnome > kde4 kb9vqf On the bottom *again* :) Xu_R|School kb9vqf: BWAHAHAHAQHAHAHA XD kb9vqf Have you seen KDevelop 4? *kb9vqf wants to know what ate all the useful toolbar icons kb9vqf :-P Xu_R|School ewww. KDevelop 4. Piki yep, i don't like gnome at all, but i don't hate it. i hate kde4 kb9vqf Precisely kb9vqf "Activities" are for preschool kb9vqf Not for software development Xu_R|School kb9vqf: trololol Xu_R|School activities... we're in preschool class. XD kb9vqf Complete with big button blocks :-P samelian but why we hate kde4? samelian what is problem with it? kb9vqf Unintuitive kb9vqf Slow kb9vqf Clunky Piki unfortunately, most of the "adults" i see still belong in preschool kb9vqf Wastes screen real estate Xu_R|School samelian: the graphics is mostly the problem Xu_R|School and the way it handles kb9vqf Missing context items samelian the graphics are themeable :) Xu_R|School otherwise, it's be great. Strangelv "KDE 4 took away most of the things that make KDE 3.5 great samelian i think i do not like the kicker replacement kb9vqf You can't get around the lack of "at your fingertips" functionality Xu_R|School samelian: I want to see performance improvements, not more eyecandy -__- kb9vqf No matter how you theme it Piki samelian: slow, too much eye candy, missing stuff from kde3, unstable Strangelv "it's powerful, flexible, and easily adapted to be what teh user needs to get their work ,life, et c. done kb9vqf In KDE3 you can usually access a function with one or two mouse clicks Strangelv "KDE 4 takes that awapy Xu_R|School In all: Xu_R|School BLAHHH. kb9vqf In KDE4 you get to click at *least* three times :) Strangelv Most of what I wanted to do I couldn't in KDE 4 at all kb9vqf That reminds me of using a newer Mac in a store kb9vqf I counted 7 clicks to create and delete a folder Xu_R|School ok, ok, let's stop ranting now. poor samelian. samelian haha Piki and i'm sure we could get a theme in kde3 that at least mimicks kde4 samelian </rant> Piki lol kb9vqf That's easy Strangelv "That's likely what our permanant icon ought to convey: TDE is what the user needs it to be, and not what someone else wants the user to use kb9vqf We'll add an "instant uglification" button :-P kb9vqf j/k Piki lol kb9vqf It'll make every widget 10x bigger Xu_R|School yes, yes, let's </rant> now kb9vqf And shrink the fonts kb9vqf </rant> Xu_R|School good. good. Strangelv Konqueror in KDE 4 was the one bright spot *kb9vqf goes back to cursing at Qt4 *samelian are to lazy to write cmake docs :) *Strangelv happened to have been impressed by that bright spot Xu_R|School pfft. then rekonq took over :) kb9vqf Strangelv :Well, maybe you can put a Wiki page up with what was better Piki i think we should add a bunch of themes to TDE, e.g. kde4 themes, winvista/7, osx, os classic, just for the people who prefer those, but not include them in the main tde, but as extra themes that users can add Xu_R|School which I hope we can make that the default in TDE once tqt for qt4 finishes Strangelv kb9vqf: that would require me having KDE 4 installed on something again to go back and look Strangelv "Extra themes is good Strangelv It can especially help with people migrating and needing familiarity Strangelv "it also helps to have teh same wallpaper and startup sound Strangelv Q: how many of these already exist? Xu_R|School Strangelv: ever since kde4 took over? like none now *samelian are scaried every time by error sound :) samelian broken glass Strangelv "That are compatible with KDE 3.x/TDE kb9vqf Heh *Strangelv used to have a photon torpedo filing for an error sound Piki Strangelv: not sure if we could get the sounds and wallpapers considering that M$ could come after us with a lawsuit for using copyright material Strangelv "Something I miss from Plug In for Program Manager (MS Windows 3.1+) was the ability to assign sounds to executables Xu_R|School kb9vqf: um, the Tim Willianms who just emailed trinity-users, i've decided to import his stuff for now into build.lincomlinux.org and start testing Xu_R|School I might be better off than before :) Xu_R|School hey, the bell just rang Xu_R|School bbl Strangelv "We couldn't use those, correct. It would be something to suggest to users, especially ones with the ability to port their probabyl already custom sounds and wallpaper Piki Strangelv: 3.1 was the best windows, most stable version, and more secure considering one can still find a firewall and antivirus Piki downside is no more modern apps for it Strangelv "When Help started, the Book of Armamants was consulted; when my MIDI sequencer was started David Bowie would say it's not Rock and Roll, but genocide; when I started MS Word President Merkin Muffley would ask me if we had anything like that in the works Strangelv until Windows 2000 my most stable experience with MS Windows was orinal 95, something that confused me until I realised that that was before i had MSIE installed Piki yeah, they want everyone to use their braindead browser Strangelv "Netscape for MS Windows wasn't on par with its Linux version Piki firefox is much better than either, unfortunately it's slow loading Strangelv Something I learned to do with MSIE that I couldn't do with Mozilla or Netscape was to run multiple instance of ut -- so that when an instance crashed I didn't lose everything all at once Strangelv "I rely heavily on Firefox 2 still -- firefox 3 has never been stable for me Piki and it pulls in a bunch of GTK libs, and i don't use any other gtk Piki what's ut? Strangelv "although it got noticeably less bad with 3.5 shortly before 3.6. It's still a lot less stable than 2.0 Strangelv "ut? Piki ff 2 was slow for me too Strangelv "firefox 2 is a nightmare memory hog. It's something I kept in mind when I got a motherboad that can do up to 32 GB of RAM Piki Strangelv: a few lines up, you mention multiple instances of ut Strangelv "oh, multiple instances of it (MSIE) Piki ff3 uses less memory, but is still slow Piki konqueror is fast, but doesn't do html very well kb9vqf KHTML is completely broken Piki just discovered rekonq in the Ark repos, gonna see if it works kb9vqf A lot of modern websites will not work right Piki yep, only downside to konqueror is khtml, works great for everything else kb9vqf Once Qt4 porting is complete, I plan to use Webkit instead of khtml Strangelv "I've never found Konquer to be stable as a web browser. Actually, I've never been impressed by its stability as a file browser either. It's possible that if I'd run KDE 4 longer I'd have found stability issues with that wversion too. I should install it sometime as I already have Qt4 running for something anyway kb9vqf Way in the future though :) kb9vqf Strangelv: Nice and stable here kb9vqf Although I did fix a lot of crashing bugs in Trinity Piki thinking of making d3lphin the default filemanager for TDE in ark, though, just to maintain consistency with our kde4 version Strangelv How similar are they, given that khtml begat WebKit? kb9vqf WebKit is maintained by Apple AFAIK kb9vqf Meaning they *will* make rendering work correctly kb9vqf khtml was never properly maintained Strangelv noted Piki konqueror has always been stable here, even displays an error instead of crashing when khtml failed to load Piki works well with local file management, ftp (never did uploading though), and sftp Strangelv I must admit that it's a plus when there's notice that something has crashed. In unix, things are supposed to crash noisely, only in Xorg, they crash like a mouse silently leaving the room Piki it helps when it says why it crashed, rather than just saying it crashed Strangelv "That's nice too, yes Piki rekonq looks nice, faster than arora, but it's missing a menu bar, can't find how to enable it in my right click menus kb9vqf Grrr....Qt4 completely gutted QCString kb9vqf The original functionality is GONE with respect to null terminators Piki just found the rekonq config Piki kb9vqf: isn't null just a value of '0'? kb9vqf Yes Piki perhaps see if that works? kb9vqf QCString is supposed to automagically add/subtract the length of the null terminator kb9vqf Q3CString does NOT kb9vqf I've been having to track down and reimplement the functions that are malfunctioning kb9vqf It's not the null == 0 thing ;-) kb9vqf I dealt with that back on Day 1 ;-) kb9vqf Ah, there we go kb9vqf Much bette kb9vqf *better samelian kb9vqf: QCString must die anyway :) Piki any rekonq users who know how to get the menubar? samelian as I understand QCString was invented to easy porting from Qt2 to Qt3 kb9vqf samelian: It's used practically everywhere in Trinity kb9vqf It's a slightly enhanced const char * string samelian yes, I know kb9vqf So it actually does have a purpose kb9vqf if you need to interface to anything C-like kb9vqf QString has problems because it is Unicode samelian but i'm not wrong, QCString::length() is the same thing as strlen() kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf But not in Q3CString samelian this is bad, actually kb9vqf They broke it kb9vqf I had to fix it samelian length() count all characters every time samelian this is an useless overhead kb9vqf Yes, I know kb9vqf I know there are "better" ways of doing things kb9vqf But the C API is old kb9vqf You probably will need to use a QCString kb9vqf When you do glib integration kb9vqf *When/if samelian actually I used QString instead samelian this is recommended kb9vqf But you probably used the .ascii() function, right? samelian yes kb9vqf That's a QCString internally samelian QString do this automatically too kb9vqf ascii() has a lot of overhead kb9vqf Both in terms of memory and CPU time kb9vqf Just FYI samelian operator const char* is the same thing kb9vqf Yup kb9vqf Same conversion kb9vqf Same overhead kb9vqf Like I said, I think QCString has its place kb9vqf But only for low level stuff *kb9vqf just got khelpcenter partially working :) samelian hehe Piki kb9vqf: once i eventually get 3.5.12 packaged and uploaded to the AL repos, i can grab svn and start helping there Piki with testing kb9vqf Sounds great kb9vqf We will need lots of testing this go-round kb9vqf Lots of stuff is changing kb9vqf in the backend that is kb9vqf samelian: Speaking of which, how goes libkpower? Piki i'm hoping i can patch 3.5.12 for our mission control, though, don't know how much has changed since 3.5.10 kb9vqf Piki: Depends on what is used kb9vqf As long as you didn't use low level device libraries the patch should be relatively simple Piki kb9vqf: dunno, haven't looked at the patches yet kb9vqf Ok kb9vqf You'll need to tqt convert them most likely kb9vqf That involves changing QObject to TQObject, QWidget to TQWidget, etc. kb9vqf And changing things like find("foo") to tqfind("foo") Piki kb9vqf: i don't think it would, it's for reorganizing kcontrol modules to make it easier for new users kb9vqf Pretty simple kb9vqf Oh, OK kb9vqf TQt conversion would be the hardest part then kb9vqf And it's mostly just tedious Piki dunno why the patches are there in the first place, but still kb9vqf Sure Piki kb9vqf: you'll have to help me convert to tqt, i haven't started coding yet ;-) kb9vqf When you're ready (way in the future I know...) just poke me here kb9vqf I'll help you kb9vqf Or maybe by that point others will know about TQt :) Piki in fact, once it's converted and stable, i can send in mission control and it's patches kb9vqf And I could probably include them in SVN kb9vqf As long as there's a GPL license, and the coding is OK there shouldn't be any problems Piki i'm rsync'ing our stable repos (need to regenerate the repodata, it disappeared for some reasons), once the 2008.1 isos appear, i can do a vbox install and do screenshots Xu_R mwahaha, i iz back Piki kb9vqf: i'm pretty sure it uses GPLv2, and bero is obsessed with keeping code clean and sane so that things work, so i don't think that will be a problem kb9vqf Great samelian kb9vqf: I haven't time to progress on libkpower, at this moment I can call upower methods (like suspend()) and a can read upower properties (like onBattery()) kb9vqf OK Piki if it isn't clean, i can do some work cleaning it up when converting to tqt, once i know how to code Xu_R kb9vqf: anything back-breaking in SVN atm? I'm about to start pulling from services. Xu_R *triggering services Piki brb Xu_R samelian: do the 3.5.12 tarballs work with your current svn cmake scripts? Xu_R because i'm going to maintain two versions: 3.5.12 and svn (named 3.5.12.99) Piki Xu_R: using rekonq, apparently on the AL repos, nice UI, and faster than arora, but can't find the menu bar Xu_R Piki: there is no menubar Xu_R use the settings to the side to access everything Xu_R very lightweight. no baggage. Piki yeah, i'm used to a menu bar Xu_R brb snacking Piki keeps things a bit organized and quicker (at least for me) than keeping everything under the same button *Xu_R goes to nom on ramen again :D *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Piki btw, a menu bar doesn't mean extra baggage, arora has one, and it tries to be as minimal as possible Piki it's still not reached 1.0 yet Piki so there's still time for it to speed it samelian Xu_R: I have no ideea, I think will not working directly, at least because cmake check for patched qt3 Piki it == up Piki it might work, if the cmake scripts use the same source files as 3.5.12 Piki or maybe with a patch to 3.5.12 Piki on the plus side (for rekonq), facebook now seems to be working normally *kb9vqf notes that "very lightweight" often == "completely usesless" Piki just wish i could remove the fb chat from the site, i have kopete set for that Piki kb9vqf: not always, as long as it can still function properly, do what the user needs, and support extensions so the user can add what he needs/wants that isn't included, that's a good thing kb9vqf Right Piki it's a matter of how it is developed/designed kb9vqf Hence the "often" word ;-) kb9vqf I see that used waaayyy too often as an excuse kb9vqf And yes, I agree with you Piki arora is slow, and doesn't like fb, but if they fix those and add a way to use extensions, arora would be a great lightweight browser Piki i find it odd that arora doesn't like fb, though, it uses webkit, and so does rekonq kb9vqf The insanity I was referring to usually ends with "xyz feature make the interface too cluttered, let's completely remove it from the application. Oh and by the way, this makes it so we don't have to do as much in the future" :-P kb9vqf It's about what's easiest for the developers kb9vqf I'm not sure about Arora *kb9vqf has never used it kb9vqf Although KDE has a long history of patching backend libraries kb9vqf Maybe they did that with Webkit for rekonq Piki with certain apps, there are things that should always be there, and other things that if they aren't included, they should at least be extensions kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Firefox for example is well designed Piki kb9vqf: i don't think rekonq is actually kde4, i'm pretty sure it's a 3rd part app kb9vqf Which might include a patched verison of Webkit kb9vqf I'm just speculating though Piki arora is nice, but slow Piki actually, when i installed rekonq, it didn't pull in webkit, it seems to be using webkit as already installed Piki which would be the same webkit that arora is using on my system kb9vqf Hmm kb9vqf Beats me then Piki there could be a bug in arora in how it' using webkit Piki this whole time i was thinking that it was my internet connection really slow that was causing the fb and speed issues in arora, but rekonq is going extremely fast, and seems to like fb kb9vqf Arora is GTK based? Piki (Clear is a horrible ISP, but unfortunately i have no other choice but to rely on my mother's verizon FiOS, and she tends to shut it off when i'm using it cause she's afraid of linux) Piki no, Qt Piki Qt4 Piki the only GTK app i use is firefox Piki and i use it only because of KHTML and website compatibility kb9vqf Ah kb9vqf Qt4 kb9vqf If used wrong it could be really, really slow kb9vqf And it's very easy to use wrong :) Xu_R samelian: fk. I'll try it, but that means I'll have to devel soley on svn right now Piki it's slow and heavy, and pulls in GTK libs (obviously), which i shouldn't have to do being that i don't use any other GTK apps kb9vqf Xu_R: Go ahead; I'll try not to break things too badly in SVN Piki just takes up extra space that i could otherwise use when i get to heavy packaging kb9vqf If it breaks poke me here Piki though i dunno, may decide to package GNOME just to shut up the people who keep complaining that we don't have it Piki after TDE, of course ;-) kb9vqf Naturally :) Piki and perhaps some other DE's and WM's\ Piki so having GTK may come in handy *eldarion has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf thinks that may be a good idea kb9vqf Lots of GTK apps out there kb9vqf And TDE integrates nicely Piki the only reason we have GTK in our repos is for firefox, which is in the repos only because it's so popular Piki we don't include anything GTK on the ISO, however kb9vqf You don't have Gimp itself then? Piki never bothered to search our repos for it Piki *Checks& Piki turns out we do Piki i think we include krita by default Piki i don't do anything with image editing, except resizing and cropping photos photos from the camera Piki i use gwenview for that Piki if there is anyone here who is willing to download Ark's devel ISO and do some packaging of GTK apps, feel free to let us know ;-) Piki we use RPM5, very similiar to RPM4, though i'm pretty sure we use SRPMs on the build server Piki no public access to build server (i don't have access), but we can always create a temporary drop point on the webserver via a php page Xu_R kb9vqf: started services. hopefully svn won't get pounded too much :) *Xu_R thinks of mario's "here we go!" voice :P kb9vqf OK Piki imagine mario saying "whop-pop-pop-per" (was a joke at BK when i worked there lol) Xu_R kb9vqf: and the nice thing is that I think I have a patched version of build.o.o that allows me to use download-on-demand ready... :D Xu_R that will allow me to include the Update repositories and rolling release repositories of any distribution. Xu_R well, I think i'll stick with the basics of making it build first ;) Xu_R I'll brb for a while... Sleeping at 2AM does not go well for me. samelian kb9vqf: I started to document my macros samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess kb9vqf Good *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey irc logs now online? nice kb9vqf Almost kb9vqf Give me a minute or two MutantTurkey kb9vqf: also, I've implemented the secondary bar, and pretty much converted all the pages you have me, so from here I just need to 1) look over the wiki, some stuff should be in the website. 2) do the frontpage with 3.5.12 features 3) make an about/history page 4) double check and validate everything kb9vqf OK kb9vqf I don't have time right this instant unfortunately :-( kb9vqf Will you be on later on todaty? kb9vqf *today MutantTurkey that fine, I was just letting you know kb9vqf OK, thanks MutantTurkey I should be tonight. kb9vqf And thanks for all the work on it :") MutantTurkey :) yup MutantTurkey I've also contacted David R about Archlinux + Trinity, he has made some progress and i'll be working through bugs with him hopefully kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Logs are up kb9vqf I don't know if they will update automatically yet kb9vqf And there is some work to be done with splitting them month to month kb9vqf But they are there :) *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Piki pfft, just hit "CTRL+Shift+T" in rekonq cause i closed a tab by accident, it reloaded all the tabs i've closed, instead of just the last one MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay great! MutantTurkey okay I am going to make a list of pages that may/should move to the main site kb9vqf Sounds good kb9vqf IRC log automatic updates work :) samelian kb9vqf: I think we must to find someone for cmake conversion kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf toxic_devil said he'd take a look at your Wiki page samelian because we are only qt developer, our skills can be used for programming kb9vqf Right samelian cmake is too simple for us :) kb9vqf Correct samelian actually cmake can be learn very easy just reading CMakeLists.txt samelian kb9vqf: send an announce to lists that we recruiting cmake porters samelian I will mentoring him MutantTurkey I can help. samelian in this, when you ready, I will start to teach you :) samelian in this case* kb9vqf samelian: Is your Wiki article finished then? kb9vqf I'll send the announce once I have something to refer to samelian is not, I'm not sure how far I must to go with explanations samelian I assume that who want to help with cmake, must read cmake docs at first time kb9vqf So the process is not straightforward enough to do without reading the CMake docs? kb9vqf A lot of people will not bother to read those docs samelian will be easy to do for usual tasks MutantTurkey samelian: okay great, I am nearing website completion, hopefully this week if i am not to busy. I am anxious to work on cmake samelian don't samelian is really simple samelian I think you will need to read a little, to understand basics kb9vqf Why don't you put a link to the section(s) you think people should read first kb9vqf Something like Read This First: samelian good ideea samelian the barrier is my poor english, is hard for me to write docs kb9vqf Right kb9vqf I understand samelian i preffer to teach someone with solid english background kb9vqf Just get the essentials down kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I have another task for you..... samelian then, he can continue my doc kb9vqf Once you learn CMake you can clean up samelian's Wiki article :) MutantTurkey I better make a list :p MutantTurkey samelian: yeah, I can help you with english. MutantTurkey for documentation. samelian MutantTurkey: you will enjoy when your cmake will be able to compile a big part of trinity :) MutantTurkey :D Piki we have to be able to understand poor english in linux, linux is global and not everyone is good with english ;-) samelian hehe kb9vqf So true samelian I need to learn it, but I have no time to take some formal lessons MutantTurkey one trick is to watch american or British tv shows. Piki there are translators like Google Translate or AltaVista bablefish (i think that's it), they aren't perfect, but can help samelian and I'm too lazy to read english grammar books ;) kb9vqf I've been told they don't work for ru-->en MutantTurkey Piki: google translate is my savior for linux. many russian speakers MutantTurkey kb9vqf: they work well enough kb9vqf Oh kb9vqf Maybe it was en-->ru *kb9vqf forgets MutantTurkey both ways I've been okay with. MutantTurkey usually its not good grammer kb9vqf Hmm MutantTurkey but passable. kb9vqf OK Piki yeah, translators don't do grammar well, but they can do words and small phrases decently Piki two problems with TV shows: it can be hard to sound out words for typing sometimes, and while the grammar will be the same between different english-speaking countries, they can sometimes have different slang and figurativeterms MutantTurkey agreed. kb9vqf Yes, and American TV shows typically slur and utilize bad grammar Piki and not everyone uses good grammar Piki kb9vqf: exactly, and mispronounce an' all dat kb9vqf Yes :) MutantTurkey when is 3.5.13 due? we are on 6th month cycle? kb9vqf Right now yes kb9vqf But the CMake port is a blocker kb9vqf It must be finished before 3.5.13 (3.6.0?) can be released samelian automake do not working anymore? MutantTurkey agreed. kb9vqf samelian: No kb9vqf It broke badly MutantTurkey also what about HAL? i would like to see that go kb9vqf It may have to wait kb9vqf We'll see where samelian is after the CMake port is finished :) samelian haha MutantTurkey how long/ how far are we on that? kb9vqf CMake? MutantTurkey yes samelian depends you you consider "trinity" samelian what you* kb9vqf I say the entire codebase that is in SVN samelian wow kb9vqf Yes samelian that's big kb9vqf Yes it is kb9vqf Hence my thought that a delay is needed kb9vqf Now I know some of it is already converted to CMake Piki it isn't always good to work on a specific deadline, it can either pushed back and get users mad, or force you to put out a bad release and make users mad kb9vqf rosegarden, etc. kb9vqf Piki: Correct kb9vqf Think of this particular release date as a suggestion kb9vqf If the bugs aren't fixed they aren't fixed and we can't release kb9vqf I want a high quality 3.6.0 Piki exactly MutantTurkey 3.6 is: hal gone, updated libraries completely? CMake fully? kb9vqf CMake for sure MutantTurkey what about new features that users will actually see. kb9vqf HAL gone if possible kb9vqf Lots of bugfixes MutantTurkey i mean, backend stuff is good. but, honestly? a user doesn't care hal vs udisks kb9vqf MutantTurkey: They do care about stability MutantTurkey which is I would say #1 importance kb9vqf I would like to see those bugs in Bugzilla taken care of kb9vqf *Completely* stabilize 3.6.0 kb9vqf No more random crashing anywhere :) Piki we don't even put suggested release dates at ark, people tend to read those as definitive MutantTurkey hopefully have Arch packages :) kb9vqf That follows CMake :) MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey Cmake is the blocker because we can't develop if we cannot build. kb9vqf If you, toxic_devil, and some others can get CMake finished it would free samelian and I up to work on those other things kb9vqf Feel free to recruit warm bodies for the CMake task ;-) samelian most and hardest cmake tasks was done, actually samelian now is just boring :) kb9vqf Right samelian right now i'm on trinity built with cmake kb9vqf MutantTurkey: If you want to put together a CMake recruitment Email I'll forward it to the list samelian so, is good enough for me :) kb9vqf samelian: How is it treating you? Find any irritating bugs yet? samelian nope Piki kb9vqf: i'd say instead of rewriting the HAL code for udev, rewrite it in much the same fashion as tqt, as in make it so that all we need to do to change the hardware backend is create a wrapper for the backend that TDE can plug. dunno if that's doable, but if so it can make things easier kb9vqf Great :) samelian actually small annoing crashes samelian klipper kb9vqf Piki: That's exactly what we're doing samelian and very rare, kmail kb9vqf Backtraces would help samelian yes, klipper make some strange samelian crashing in qt kb9vqf stack corrupt, etc? kb9vqf ick samelian nope kb9vqf Oh samelian something about mime kb9vqf MimeSource samelian crashing when I select something from qt3 assistant kb9vqf Huh MutantTurkey I can put together an email, what mailing list? samelian that's really annoying kb9vqf Send it to trinity-announce MutantTurkey Also, are we trying to recruit any qt devels? jw kb9vqf I'll proofread it and sent it out kb9vqf YES MutantTurkey ah I'll shoot it past you and you can email it. samelian qt3 devels are very rare :) kb9vqf Qt devs in general MutantTurkey all dinosaurs now :p kb9vqf Good ones that is :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah. I've made alot of friends with linux, maybe be some help if any are qt devels samelian as far I know, I and kb9vqf are last mohicans :) kb9vqf I hope not! samelian actually for me is the same, i'm an old programmer samelian so no matter to much the framework kb9vqf That's the way it should be IMHO samelian i'm not exactly a C++ guru, but is enough for usual tasks kb9vqf That's fine kb9vqf I'm mostly handling the really weird stuff most people see once in a lifetime samelian hehe MutantTurkey I am just a C programmer, I have no formal training though MutantTurkey just bumming around and patching stuff. samelian however, about cmake, the big scary tasks like kdelibs, kdebase, kdevelop and quanta are done samelian now we need to finish the small applications samelian I don't expect much troubles with it samelian actually kopete is partial done, but I will finish it myself MutantTurkey what version broke automake? MutantTurkey samelian: will it be mostly the same for each application? i can do the grunt work samelian pretty much samelian will be almost copy/paste, copy/paste samelian you just must follow some rules samelian I created some cmake template files, for usual tasks MutantTurkey excellent MutantTurkey kb9vqf: I don't know much to say, I'll keep it short. kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I don't know. Something after Ubuntu Maverick kb9vqf And short is OK kb9vqf :) *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay I've emailed you. field_it hi field_it did my msgs get through? field_it dunno field_it I'll post'em again.. field_it problem is: the trinity window-manager entry (name) in the drop down menu of ?dm does not match the name in debian. I'd like to fix this, get rid of the warning "name not available any longer".. field_it where are the menu entries created? field_it in debian kde3 is now called trinity, in ubuntu it's called kde3.. field_it I need it either way.. identical.. field_it nevermind field_it got it Piki field_it: i think you would need to look up it up for your DM, they do things different kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Sent kb9vqf Thanks! Piki and the packager for debian/ubuntu would need to fix the name in the packager Piki in the packages* samelian kb9vqf: pls tell me syntax for tables, for foswiki kb9vqf samelian: | Column 1 | Column 2 kb9vqf samelian: | Column 1 | Column 2 | kb9vqf ^^ kb9vqf Newline kb9vqf then samelian thx kb9vqf | Data1 | Data 2 | kb9vqf np field_it Piki: it's just a file in /usr/share/xsessions/ field_it rename the file appropriately, change the name directive inside the file accordingly and you're done :) *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec_ has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: woah. new theme for the Trinity wiki caught me by surprise - used to seeing too much blue ;) kb9vqf It came with the upgrade kb9vqf Is it good or bad? Xu_R very good. the last one was an eyesore. kb9vqf Glad to hear it :) Xu_R :) Xu_R oh s*** my workers died Xu_R no wait... my scheduler. Space_Man lol, you must feed your workers Xu_R LOL Xu_R my ARM and x86_64 workers are failing D: Xu_R *schedulers Piki you need a new datebook for 2011, your old 2010 is full Xu_R AHHHHH. I sent my scheduler into heart attack mode by restarting it too many times >_< *Xu_R finally fixed his scheduler - in the process, added an ia64 arch *aledec__ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: great saw the email kb9vqf Now we'll see if anyone responds :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: I'm guessing you were the person who wrote the email? :P kb9vqf Yes he was Xu_R nice nice. MutantTurkey Xu_R: yes sir Xu_R :D MutantTurkey had my father check it first :P he is quite good at sending out annoucements Xu_R niceee :D MutantTurkey kb9vqf: what would you say to a "developers profile" page? http://www.archlinux.org/developers/ MutantTurkey I think it would be good so we could have a solid contact list. MutantTurkey for example, I had no idea someone else was working on Arch. contacting people directly is often helpful. Xu_R MutantTurkey: as people come and go, will we always remember to update the page? :| MutantTurkey well look MutantTurkey the trick is: assign a website maintainer MutantTurkey obviously the solution, so it won't be long over due like this time. Piki what if the site maintainer goes? then who takes care of it? MutantTurkey a maintainer will a) keep it updated b) add/remove based on events and such c) be composed of a single or team of people (size of it) d) it keeps the developers working MutantTurkey Piki: you get a new one. MutantTurkey and site maintainers, do come and go. same as developers and users. MutantTurkey but by assigning someone the position, it becomes their responsability Piki well, sometimes it could be awhile before we notice they're gone, and they might not know they're about to disappear until something comes up and may not have the time to notify us MutantTurkey a while before we notice? I was thinking someone who is a regular. kb9vqf If this is the case then the list should be maintained on a Wiki page MutantTurkey also again, it is their job to notify us if they cannot handle it. MutantTurkey I just think assigning jobs is a sure way to get stuff done Piki also again, something may come up and they may not have the time to notify us MutantTurkey then they are gone? MutantTurkey it is not such a problme. MutantTurkey the website isn't updated often MutantTurkey just for new information / annoucements. MutantTurkey also, that is alot of ifs and mays MutantTurkey WHAT IF THEY GOT HIJACKED BY A BUNCH OF CRAZY NATIONALIST PARTY MEMBERS THAT THEN JOINED FORCES WITH GUERILLA FIGHTERS FROM CANADA, WHO THEN PROCEEDED TO HOLD HIM HOSTAGE ON A TRILLION DOLLARS BAIL? kb9vqf Now now, be nice :) *Xu_R just got an email about the GA of F15 Alpha 1 that's currently on the serverbeach MutantTurkey i mean, we can't take into all factors for anything. alot can happen, and yes people come and go, but by assigning someone the duty, there is a better chance at it being updated. Xu_R MutantTurkey is very confident in his views ;) Piki i agree with kb9vqf, if we do make a page like that, we should do it on the wiki MutantTurkey agreed. Piki that way, we don't have to worry about if the webmaster disappears, someone else can remove them MutantTurkey Piki: again, you are making the "webmaster" job sound complicated. MutantTurkey kb9vqf would still have access obviously to it. it is his server. simple as adding or removing a few lines from a file. Piki no, i'm just taking into account if someone disappeared kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf I'm the founder MutantTurkey then you move them to inactive/past members. kb9vqf I will always be here :) MutantTurkey what if you dissapear? MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey what if . Piki and webmastering can be complicated, i am a webmaster MutantTurkey Piki: we are keeping it extremely simple. kb9vqf What if a bus hit me tomorrow? MutantTurkey well. we better just quit while we are ahead kb9vqf Let's keep things in the realm of "likely" please :) Piki i always try to be prepared for the unexpected MutantTurkey since something may happen to any of us at any given time. MutantTurkey let us just quit. kb9vqf I do understand kb9vqf But the simple fact is the services are running on my equipment Xu_R kb9vqf: You better not be hit by a bus! >: Xu_R XD kb9vqf There is always a weak link/choke point/whatever you want to call it Piki yes, and we need to be prepared for those to keep things running Piki otherwise, things will fall apart at some point Piki sure, we can't predict everything kb9vqf I look at it this way; if I can no longer maintain Trinity and host the services I have then I would relinquish control of the fork Piki but we should do our best to prepare kb9vqf But for now that is not my intention! MutantTurkey and for now, i intend to webmaster kb9vqf Fine with me :) MutantTurkey basically that whole long slew was about how I'd like to be the webmaster. kb9vqf I appreciate the help MutantTurkey because its obvious things are hecktic around here, you are busy and don't have time. my hobby is doing internet stuff. i have alot of time. *aledec has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey okay, kb9vqf i have a list of potential things i think should be moved to the website, or revised in the wiki. MutantTurkey the Roadmap and ToDo are in effect the same, with similar purpose. It would be better to combine them, having them on the website means it is easier for users to see progress and future improvements. (this could also mean just a direct link to the wiki) Xu_R oh. my. god. Epoch: 30000000 D: that's terrible MutantTurkey DL Xu_R sorry, just had to put that out there. >_< kb9vqf MutantTurkey: OK kb9vqf Dou you have the website running now? kb9vqf The test one that is? kb9vqf I didn't get a chance to look at it yet: MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey I've got to help my father purchase a laptop for his work. MutantTurkey I might be on later. MutantTurkey just let me know what you think Xu_R "A Big thank you to all who have helped blah blah blah Lorem Ipsum Lorem Ipsum ask kb. Thanks!" Xu_R +1 :P kb9vqf Of course it will need editing ;-) kb9vqf Errr...rewriting.... kb9vqf But overall I'm looking at design and navigation for now kb9vqf MutantTurkey: We have mailing lists twice kb9vqf I'd kind of like a "Contact" or "Support" tab where we can have the IRC information kb9vqf Also, a "Screenshots" tab would be nice kb9vqf And maybe "Supported Distributions" kb9vqf And a "Home" tab perhaps kb9vqf Otherwise it looks good Piki kb9vqf: maybe you can setup an email for you, samelian, and an email for the entire TDE team and have an email form on the site? MutantTurkey yeah sorry, i Just copied the links over MutantTurkey still are replacing them. kb9vqf Piki: Sounds like a good idea kb9vqf Also, I wonder if an online IRC chat window is a good idea or not? kb9vqf Under the "Support" tab :) MutantTurkey NO kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Just a thought MutantTurkey redirect them to webchat.freenode.net MutantTurkey webchat is great, i use it at school. straight foreward kb9vqf That's all I was looking for kb9vqf An easy way for an IRC novice to ask questions MutantTurkey so, 1)supported distros YES 2) home? TDE logo sends you home 3) screen shots definitely 4) Contact/Support yes good idea Piki not everyone knows to use the logo as a link to home, took me a long time to figure that out ;-) kb9vqf I would not have though of that either Piki we can use the freenode qwebirc to create an embedded webirc for the site that would auto-direct to this channel when it connects to freenode, maybe even set a custom nick Piki just an idea kb9vqf Asking people for a nick before connection would be a good ide kb9vqf *idea kb9vqf Also a little checkbox "I agree to the terms and conditions and will be polite" kb9vqf Before it allows a connection ;-) Xu_R samelian~ ah crap, he always leaves when I want to ask a question. Piki kb9vqf: the custom nick can be set to changeable Xu_R ah, nevermind. found the answer via the ml Piki i don't think it allows an "I agree to ..." box, but it does have recaptcha Piki it doesn't need a preset nick, it's optional MutantTurkey kb9vqf: eh. I disagree. MutantTurkey that is overboard. MutantTurkey adding widgets to the page just isn't really appealing and loading java/whatever applets can be slow. but i may be wrong. MutantTurkey I think better would be a link to "click here to access the IRC" and link to it easily. maybe set the channel and everything MutantTurkey Piki, Xu_R, kb9vqf: can you all send me a few pictures of your Trinity Desktops? (with windows and such, but also one of just desktop) for the screenshots page? I'd like to get some variety. Piki MutantTurkey: if you can do the ark linux packages for me ;-) Xu_R MutantTurkey: I'll do it in a little bit. I've got a Unity Linux VM instance running and i'm trying to sort out Qt3 stuff right now. Piki haven't had a chance to finish my build server Xu_R Do you mind if I just throw them in trinity-devel? Xu_R i Xu_R 'll make sure to make the subject "For MutantTurkey" XD Xu_R (valentine's day special trololol) MutantTurkey sure thing :D MutantTurkey be mine? :p MutantTurkey yeah over the ml or just at me, MutantTurkey@gmail so whatever works Xu_R hehe :P Xu_R anyone know what the mandriva version macro is? mdkversion or something? >_> Xu_R never mind, found it. guessed it right ;) Piki anybody in PA? i need a good psychiatric institution to put my mom in. everything bad that happens is automatically me, not her or the poor designers of the tech she uses, but me, and there's no convincing her otherwise, even if i never touched it, and i'm not dealing with it any more Piki i need a place that will get her FIXED *aledec_ has joined #trinity-desktop *aledec_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Gingerbread-Man has joined #trinity-desktop Gingerbread-Man hello all :-) Gingerbread-Man geussing at this time of night the channel is dead .... *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop Gingerbread-Man hi Space_Man *TokRa has noticed: Trinity DE has been mentionned on http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/linux/113479/ MutantTurkey Pikii I am MutantTurkey Gingerbread-Man: yea everyone is asleep MutantTurkey this is much to early for me anyway Space_Man hi Gingerbread-Man Space_Man I'm awake ;) *samelian has left #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *menace has joined #trinity-desktop *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it2 has joined #trinity-desktop *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa toxic_devil: toxic_devil TokRa: прив TokRa toxic_devil: загляни на http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/linux/113479/ TokRa там как раз про КДЁ3 toxic_devil TokRa: я смотрел ты же мне в оф в жаббер ссылку кинула toxic_devil ^^ TokRa ^_^ TokRa 914 посещений оттуда TokRa и судя по логфайлам серверов, народ исошки качает постоянно :) *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil TokRa: да что качает то качает toxic_devil кто бы в разработке помог toxic_devil TokRa: у них же девелоперов не хватает toxic_devil а кто умеет они не чухаются toxic_devil ибо юзают 4 - е кеды toxic_devil УРОДЫ!!! *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa 4-е это не кеды, а галоши TokRa надетые на валенки TokRa иначе схему с akonadi не назовёшь *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa и ещё на костылях TokRa картина маслом :) toxic_devil TokRa: ага не говори toxic_devil блин у проекта рекламы нету toxic_devil многие вообще о нем не знают TokRa надо писать в Википедиях TokRa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_3#Forking toxic_devil TokRa: знаешь toxic_devil я что то так в опенсорс сообществе разочаровался((( *TokRa сама в себе разочаровалась: помнится, весной собиралась web ресурс Trinity создать, переписывалась с Timothy по этому поводу, но по многим причинам (лень в том числе) это так и осталось намерениями :( TokRa А теперь Timothy меня похоже игнорирует: обиделся, наверное :( toxic_devil TokRa: да ну не toxic_devil у мну ребята ебилды на базовую систему сделали подпилили toxic_devil вот ша вроде самелиан на вики должен выложить мануал чтоб сьфке писать toxic_devil а там дело дальше пойдет kb9vqf Why are you upset TokRa_upset? MutantTurkey I'll be gone all weekend on a trip to pittsburgh, If i have access to a machine i can ssh and keep working. *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-11T04:56:58Z">+o tbottu </mode> *L7X has left #trinity-desktop *zcrayfish has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa pings tbottu *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *TokRa salutes Piki *Piki bows *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-11T15:15:55Z">+o tbottu </mode> *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Gingerbread-Man has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *raso has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop *Qu4Z has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="calvino.freenode.net" time="2011-02-11T15:27:16Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-11T15:27:17Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *tbottu was going to say 'I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes' but has said it too many times today already <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-11T15:32:17Z">-i </mode> *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Pikidalto has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has a friend wvho's struggling in vait to turn off the minotior power off. It messes up her keyboard video mouse adapter which seems to not work again until one or both machines ar erebooted... *Strangelv looks in the bug tracker, but doesn't see anything that's clearyl the problem, let alone a wokraround *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil samelian: привет toxic_devil samelian: нужна твоя помошь samelian later, now I must to go toxic_devil samelian: ok toxic_devil samelian: configure: WARNING: You are attempting to compile Trinity without the Trinity Qt Interface installed. Please install libtqtinterface-dev and try again! toxic_devil WHY??? toxic_devil все установленно *zcrayfish has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa toxic_devil: а не надо разве указывать, где установлено, например --with-tqt=/папка/куда/установлено или нечто в этом роде? toxic_devil TokRa: не в этом дело toxic_devil мну разраб короче нужен kb9vqf Strangelv: Xorg power management is strange to say the least kb9vqf I don't think Trinity has any control over it toxic_devil kb9vqf: hi kb9vqf Hello toxic_devil kb9vqf: see?? kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Is this from SVN or the 3.5.12 tarballs? toxic_devil kb9vqf: yes kb9vqf ? kb9vqf Is it from SVN? toxic_devil kb9vqf: it is from svn kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Did you install tqtinterface, arts, and kdelibs from SVN as well? kb9vqf And did you use CMake? toxic_devil kb9vqf: wait toxic_devil I'm not doing it toxic_devil My friend is doing kb9vqf Oh, OK kb9vqf It looks like kdelibs is not installed kb9vqf IMHO toxic_devil tqtinterface,kdelibs from SVN toxic_devil without arts toxic_devil ./configure ... --without-arts toxic_devil kdelibs and tqtinterface over cmake kb9vqf And they were all installed to the same prefix? kb9vqf samelian: Ever seen this with CMake? ^^^ kb9vqf "checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no" samelian kb9vqf: what? kb9vqf samelian: He seems to be running into the UIC KDE plugins problem when attempting to build kdebase from SVN kb9vqf I have not seen this before kb9vqf toxic_devil: You are building with Qt3 correct? kb9vqf Your friend that is *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil samelian: c qt все впорядке toxic_devil samelian: что есть правильно? samelian toxic_devil: you using cmake or automake? kb9vqf samelian: CMake samelian what is problem, actually? toxic_devil kdelibs and tqtinterface over cmake samelian but what is the problem? toxic_devil Вы чо упоролись ??? toxic_devil автоконф уже умеет параметры вида -DWITH_*=ON ? )) toxic_devil А??? toxic_devil ку ку ку samelian if you pass parameter -DWITH_*=ON to configure script, this not meaning that you using cmake :) samelian cmake don't use configure toxic_devil samelian: одну минуту toxic_devil я чо то не пойму как он собирает toxic_devil О,О toxic_devil О.о toxic_devil х.х toxic_devil samelian: мой друг провалился в консоль((( toxic_devil ^^ toxic_devil samelian: вообщем toxic_devil samelian: нам не хватает слов чтоб обьяснить что мы сделали toxic_devil samelian: я думаю мы сами справимся samelian ok kb9vqf thanks for handling that :) toxic_devil kb9vqf: ^^ toxic_devil kb9vqf: I hope we have of this is that something will kb9vqf ? kb9vqf I don't know much about CMake myself toxic_devil kb9vqf: Learn Russian :-D kb9vqf Hehe *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: trinity have any class for manipulating sockets? samelian i mean, resolving name and connect kb9vqf samelian: Yes kb9vqf KResolver kb9vqf KClientSocket kb9vqf KServerSocket kb9vqf IIRC samelian thx kb9vqf np samelian it's easy to use system calls, but I want to use trinity API when is possible *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ *TokRa detects MutantTurkey's presence ! MutantTurkey hey MutantTurkey i luckily have ssh setup so i can work on linux while away from home MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey there is almost zero php work, just an include for the header and footer. the top panel and link bar are both defined with css. MutantTurkey other than that, straight up normal html. TokRa I see MutantTurkey the website is slow enough already, i saw no reason to make it even worse. Tim mentioned that simplicity was essential TokRa Which is the goal to achieve? MutantTurkey simple MutantTurkey the pages are going to be relatively static. *TokRa 'd like to see some visual layout, a pictured design if available, to get the main idea and put it on the backend TokRa should there be some content management? MutantTurkey i say no. MutantTurkey the thing with a CMS is that is is just going to make everything more complicated. MutantTurkey these web pages don't really change often. MutantTurkey the pages are laid out simply enough to edit by hand. MutantTurkey I would understand if we were constantly updating, but the only updates are releases. MutantTurkey I think for such an simple website, there is no point of putting a whole CMS on it. TokRa if so, is there a need to change the provided content at all? TokRa MutantTurkey: your web version looks nice enough to me MutantTurkey the code is beautiful MutantTurkey well simple at least. I think we need a modern site, but don't need to use any sort of backend. MutantTurkey especially since the web server is already slow as heck :/ MutantTurkey the header has all the links, so it takes care of the problem. TokRa and my objective would be... ? MutantTurkey no idea. TokRa :D MutantTurkey I'm not sure why Tim thought i needed help. *TokRa neither MutantTurkey i understand his concern. because I am not good at php. MutantTurkey but we don't really need anything complicated for this project. TokRa I realize, the php programming is not even needed MutantTurkey ? MutantTurkey how else can we easily include header and footer? TokRa I mean, the complicated programming MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey samelian is helping me out with css when i have questions. from here mostly though, the layout is finished. MutantTurkey I am working on adding the content and converting pages. MutantTurkey I was also thinking about transferring certain pages from the wiki to the website, since some don't really belong on the wikil MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/WIKICONVERT.txt *TokRa has nothing to do with this then? If I have understood you correctly. MutantTurkey I don't think I need your help at this point. MutantTurkey if Tim and I decide that we need something more complicated I will ask you. TokRa Sure MutantTurkey I'm off to eat dinner. Hopefully i can stop in later. TokRa :) MutantTurkey cya TokRa ^_^ Xu_R ARGHH. the Mandriva packager that tired to create Trinity rpms - I'm just looking at them and tearing my hair out >_< Xu_R they aren't bad Xu_R but the Epoch: 600000000 breaks installations >_< kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf Sounds like me many years ago kb9vqf ;-) Xu_R correction: 300000001. Xu_R adgbfuoasdbf apparently previous mandriva maintainer didn't know how to use it. *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-12T18:40:55Z">+o tbottu </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-12T18:42:35Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> Xu_R wb kb9vqf kb9vqf ? kb9vqf Oh, welcome back :) kb9vqf Slight network outage last night kb9vqf Seems my ISP did not do what they were supposed to do :-P Xu_R :P Xu_R do they ever XD kb9vqf Hehe Xu_R kb9vqf: i've been making progress: arts and tqtinterface for fedora and mandriva are going well. still have to fix opensuse, but that shouldn't be a problem kb9vqf Glad to hear it Xu_R samelian: can you add a dependency check for cmake on arts? It needs to check for the existence of ltdl.h so that it doesn't fail compiling later Xu_R kb9vqf: spec restructuring seems to be a big success right now :D once I hit kdebase3, that's the hard part :( kb9vqf Yes it is kb9vqf Wait until you get to kdepim :-P Xu_R oh jeez. xD samelian Xu_R: i will Xu_R ty samelian :D *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil hi allllllllll Xu_R ohai toxic_devil russian like vodka toxic_devil and like TDE Xu_R o_o? toxic_devil TDE & Vodka = Friendship toxic_devil ^^ toxic_devil :::::::: toxic_devil ^^^^^ Xu_R LOL toxic_devil I like TDe developerr toxic_devil developrs toxic_devil Россия священная нааша держава toxic_devil Твое достоянье на все времена toxic_devil ^^ toxic_devil ьбез водки мы б ужо вымерли toxic_devil Это мы выйграли вторую мировою toxic_devil МЫ toxic_devil А не вы MutantTurkey hahaha kb9vqf Hmmm...M$ and Noki partnered kb9vqf I wonder what that means for Qt kb9vqf :-P MutantTurkey D: i wonder MutantTurkey nokia i don't like very much kb9vqf Maybe TQt is a better thing that I first thought.... kb9vqf Hmmm *kb9vqf worries about the future of Qt on X11 samelian kb9vqf: samelian The Foundation has a license agreement with Nokia. This agreement ensures that the Qt will continue to be available under both the LGPL 2.1 and the GPL 3. Should Nokia discontinue the development of the Qt Free Edition under these licenses, then the Foundation has the right to release Qt under a BSD-style license or under other open source licenses. The agreement stays valid in case of a buy-out, a merger or bankruptcy. samelian http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php samelian http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/12/nokia-new-strategic-direction-what-is-the-future-for-qt/ kb9vqf Right kb9vqf They didn't say very much there ;-) samelian hehe kb9vqf I don't think licensing is an issue now that Qt is LGPL samelian I don't worry too much about qt future kb9vqf I'm more concerned about continued Xorg support samelian can be forked by community kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf But KDE4 was another "community effort" *kb9vqf shudders samelian haha samelian we can still using qt4 samelian qt3* kb9vqf I like upstream corporate support of core libraries kb9vqf Hopefully that will continue for a long, long time to come kb9vqf :) kb9vqf So I have a question kb9vqf Shouldn't Qt3 be released under BSD because upstream support was dropped? kb9vqf Or did they manage to weasel out of that samelian hmm, good question Xu_R kb9vqf: make it BSD then kb9vqf So far I'm using GPL kb9vqf I don't want to get in trouble with Qt kb9vqf Err...Nokia Xu_R but, what I'm thinking is that they consider Qt3 -> Qt4 just another version change kb9vqf Right Xu_R :| *kb9vqf should ask if they will extend the LGPL to Qt3 then kb9vqf If it is truly just a version change ;-) Xu_R good idea samelian kb9vqf: you want to develop closed source apps with qt3? :) MutantTurkey what is wrong with gpl? MutantTurkey BSD is preferable, but GPL and LGPL are fine as well. samelian for open source movement, BSD, GPL, LGPL, is the same thing kb9vqf samelian: Well, I might kb9vqf I do have to eat after all ;-) kb9vqf But mostly I would like Trinity to be usable for many different developers kb9vqf Otherwise corporations will go where the license is best for them kb9vqf I.e. KDE4 kb9vqf :-P samelian kb9vqf: for commercial applicatios qt4 is better anyway Xu_R lol samelian because support windows as well kb9vqf TQt would support Windows in theory kb9vqf Remember I've removed most of the backend code kb9vqf It sits on top of Qt4 samelian tqt, maybe, but no trinity kb9vqf Not right now, no kb9vqf But the GPL would prevent a commercial developer from even offering Trinity integration as an option kb9vqf Because of the whole static linking problem MutantTurkey samelian: BSD is more free. samelian with GPL you can't use dynamic linking neither kb9vqf Right samelian BSD is more free, for who? kb9vqf So there's the problem MutantTurkey KDE4 is nasty. MutantTurkey samelian: for everyone samelian not exactly samelian is more free for who use my work MutantTurkey it is less restrictive than gpl samelian but my work is not protected very well kb9vqf I wouldn't care if Qt allowed GPL plugins to override file open/save dialogs and such kb9vqf But AFAIK they don't kb9vqf Requiring static or dynamic linkage :( kb9vqf It leads to a very fragmented user experience kb9vqf Each application has its own open/save/print dialogs MutantTurkey open/save/print dialogs in linux SUCKS. MutantTurkey I hate them all. kb9vqf Well I like the Trinity ones ;-) MutantTurkey I haven't played with them yet :p samelian gnome open dialog is not so bad, if you know how to use it kb9vqf I hate it personally kb9vqf Always takes way too long to select a file kb9vqf And that $%!^# autocomplete keeps getting in the way kb9vqf Or freezing samelian gnome open dialog support autocomplete like bash samelian just hit tab kb9vqf It also does an automatic drop-down autocomplete kb9vqf Which when you try to go to /usr/bin/ it hangs kb9vqf Too many little files in that directory MutantTurkey yeah. MutantTurkey its no good. MutantTurkey honestly i just like the good old windows dialog. samelian yes, but I do not need to open files from /usr/bin, in gimp :) kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf I have to do this all the time in Firefox MutantTurkey why? its so standard that i don't need to figure it out. samelian MutantTurkey: window open fille suport autocomplete? :) MutantTurkey no idea, it'd be nice kb9vqf We should make a BSD licensed library for open/save dialogs kb9vqf A very small one kb9vqf All it does is call the appropriate backend dialog MutantTurkey i would like windows 95 dialog + autocompletion + image previews and video previews kb9vqf Linux apps can link against it kb9vqf Without license worries samelian kb9vqf: i'm pretty sure that is not possible kb9vqf Why? samelian because GPL viral behaviour kb9vqf For file open/save a simple text mode interface will suffice kb9vqf Internally that is kb9vqf There could be a public BSD library kb9vqf It sends text mode commands to the appropriate non-BSD backend library kb9vqf Thus breaking the GPL virus :) samelian you can't release as BSD an application which linking to qt3, for example kb9vqf But it's not kb9vqf It uses only basic LGPL system libraries kb9vqf To talk to a non-free backend library kb9vqf GPL backend library, that is samelian in this case, you file open dialog will have strange look kb9vqf Well think about it kb9vqf If I write an application all I want to do is display a file open/save dialog starting in a directory kb9vqf So the BSD backend library does this: kb9vqf OPEN IN START DIRECTORY /bin/foo kb9vqf The GPL backend library receives that command and calls the appropriate Qt3/Gnome/GTK code kb9vqf Up pops the appropriate dialog kb9vqf When done, the GPL library fetches the selected path and sends this: kb9vqf OPEN CONFIRMED FILE /bin/foo/bar kb9vqf Then the BSD library passes that along to the original application kb9vqf Two separate libraries entirely samelian you must communicate with backend somehow, socket or pipe or dbus kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Simple pipe kb9vqf Or temporary file for all I care kb9vqf Something BSD licensed kb9vqf I don't know if that would gain any traction in the open source community though :-/ kb9vqf It would be nice to have unified dialogs kb9vqf Without LD_PRELOAD hacks and other nastiness :-) samelian i think this must be standardized by freedesktop kb9vqf Good idea kb9vqf Most of their stuff is text mode anyway kb9vqf The only problem I see at all is special options like Gimp provides kb9vqf But my answer would be to provide several optional widgets on the platform-specific dialog samelian dialog must be something generic kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Exactly kb9vqf Otherwise it gets confusing for the users samelian and can be populated with widgets, driven by caller application kb9vqf Yes, but only over the text mode interface samelian a xml file kb9vqf so DISPLAY OPTION_BOX Item1 Item2 :) kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf That would be better kb9vqf And it skirts the GPL virus nicely kb9vqf :) samelian hehe kb9vqf If we can say "here's a standard public domain library for all Linux dialogs" then people might just use it! kb9vqf They don't have to worry about platform specific details samelian like kerrnel API kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf In fact I think OpenOffice did something like this already samelian we can open and use e device without any restriction kb9vqf But far more limited kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Each toolkit knows about a basic set of widgets kb9vqf File selection views, drop down lists, checkboxes, etc. kb9vqf So we just specify which ones we want shown kb9vqf And the backend modules make it look familiar for the selected desktop samelian i think that the position of widgets must be predictible kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf And controlled by the desktop environment in use kb9vqf Not by the application itself samelian the position and meaning of widgets must be standardized as well kb9vqf Right kb9vqf I would leave that to the individual desktop environments kb9vqf That way each application will blend in with the rest of the system kb9vqf But meaning must definitely be standardized :) samelian hehe, this is a long shot, i guess :) kb9vqf Of course kb9vqf But I like it :) kb9vqf I'm sick and tired of seeing Gnome popups kb9vqf Under KDE kb9vqf And vice versa kb9vqf Not to mention the horrid Qt dialogs :-P samelian hehe kb9vqf If it's easy to use, standardized, and supports all desktops I think people will adopt it samelian actually we have already something like dialog, xdialog and kdialog kb9vqf Right samelian but no one use it kb9vqf So make it a bit more powerful and standardize it kb9vqf It's not powerful enough kb9vqf The dialogs cannot be customized kb9vqf Also, there is no interface library kb9vqf So they are hard to use samelian yes, must be a transparent api call kb9vqf Right kb9vqf No one wants to play with pipes and temporary files just to pop up a dialog :) samelian hehe, for sure samelian QProcess and friends kb9vqf I'll put something on the Wiki eventually :) kb9vqf My initial thoughts kb9vqf It's for the future anyway *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: is something wrong with search engine? I can't search in documentation *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Rebooting the server ATM kb9vqf Trying to stabilize it :) kb9vqf samelian: It should be up for the moment kb9vqf I still have to change out a defective network card kb9vqf So it will probably go down again for a half hour or so samelian it's ok not, thx samelian now* kb9vqf sed/defective/obsolete/g kb9vqf :) samelian kb9vqf: I think we need a trinity assistant :) kb9vqf ? samelian like qt assistant kb9vqf Oh *kb9vqf googles qt assistant kb9vqf Yes we do :) samelian your search engine is a little... kb9vqf Odd? kb9vqf Quirky? samelian hehe samelian i search for something, but he show me another things kb9vqf I'm no google, that's for sure :0 samelian ATM I search UDSEntry structure kb9vqf Remeber not everthing may be documented kb9vqf A lot of the "weird" classes do not have doc pages samelian actually UDSEntry is QListValue<something> kb9vqf Right samelian kde4's UDSEntry is a little better kb9vqf I can see where that may not have an entry samelian I think we must to update internal API samelian kde4 do this: samelian entry.insert(KIO::UDSEntry::UDS_ACCESS_TIME, sb->atime); samelian entry.insert(KIO::UDSEntry::UDS_MODIFICATION_TIME, sb->mtime); samelian entry.insert(KIO::UDSEntry::UDS_CREATION_TIME, sb->createtime); samelian in trinity is longer and unfriendly *kb9vqf does not know what UDSEntry is samelian atom.m_uds = KIO::UDS_NAME; samelian atom.m_str = syntax.last(); samelian entry.append(atom); samelian atom.m_uds = KIO::UDS_FILE_TYPE; samelian //atom.m_long = S_IFREG; samelian entry.append(atom); samelian etc etc samelian this is used for listDir and stat, in kioslaves kb9vqf Feel free to add the ::insert method to it kb9vqf As long as it does not conflict with an existing ::insert method kb9vqf :) samelian hehe samelian this is for long term suggestion kb9vqf Make sure you DOCUMENT it as well :) kb9vqf With Doxygen tags kb9vqf Oh, OK samelian I won't broke the API right now :)_ kb9vqf Sure samelian sometime I will dig in kde4 sources samelian to check what we can still from him samelian s/still/steal kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf Good idea samelian kb9vqf: you think we will need a ssh class, other than fish/sftp kioslave? samelian i can wrap ssh object in a nice class kb9vqf fish:// is quite nice kb9vqf samelian: ^^ kb9vqf I have not had any problems with it since 3.5.11 samelian i know, but can be used just for filemanagement samelian for me crashing almost everytime kb9vqf Are you on Trinity or 3.5.10? kb9vqf 3.5.10 has problems samelian svn kb9vqf Not good :-P kb9vqf I have never had it crash kb9vqf If you want to try creating a replacement go right ahead :) samelian for this reason I want to rewrite it from scratch samelian i just want to know if would be nice to have a class for ssh manipulation, other than kioslave kb9vqf I don't know kb9vqf More classes would be better I suppose tbottu Services will be going down shortly. Estimated restoration in 30 minutes samelian for example, I think a kcm module *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-13T02:02:36Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-13T02:02:46Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> Piki good morning! <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-13T02:04:09Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> Piki that's a bit redundant, same person op Piki 'ed twice Piki by the same bot Xu_R wb kb9vqf Xu_R %if 0%{?mdkversion} Xu_R oh shoot, wrong input. oops. Piki close the door to the room you're in if you have cats, else they'll give you a heart attack Xu_R ? Piki i have a cat that won't leave my room, plus two other cats in the rest of the house. was watching youtube and suddenly heard a bunch of growling and hissing and spitting, and thought someone was somehow flying a plane into my room without touching the walls Xu_R ... *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Pikidalto has joined #trinity-desktop Piki >.< it's like my whole network died and reconnected, even kopete kept telling me i was d/ced *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *menace has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa menace :) MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/releases.php finished that *menace has left #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *NthDegree___ has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: you know, trinity have any class for parsing .ini style files? samelian I need to parse ~/.ssh/config file kb9vqf I think it does kb9vqf But I don't remember what it is called samelian i see, I will find it kb9vqf Look up KConfig kb9vqf I think that might lead you to it :) samelian my kio_sftp is almost workig kb9vqf Good samelian it can already list directories, get, put, copy samelian now I must to implement details, like authentication and using .ssh/config settings kb9vqf OK samelian kb9vqf: I think we must to delay next release for few months kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf You are correct kb9vqf That is what I mentioned earlier as well samelian seems that we have a lot things to do/fix kb9vqf We need the CMake port before release kb9vqf And yes :) kb9vqf Remember it was just me for a few years kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I can't keep up samelian hehe samelian you have been too sticky to ubuntu samelian for this reason I missed your project kb9vqf Well, I'm slowly "ungluing" from Ubuntu kb9vqf With the help of all the different distribution packagers that have joined the project :) kb9vqf I just don't have the cross-distro knowledge to do that by myself kb9vqf Seems people noticed that QuickBuild is offline, and very fast too kb9vqf Which is a good sign :) samelian hehe kb9vqf Lots of users out there Xu_R a growing userbase :D kb9vqf Yup kb9vqf Seems that way samelian maybe sometime more developers kb9vqf But we need those bugs fixed in order to keep it growing kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf I hope so kb9vqf I think once the Qt4 port is done people may join back in kb9vqf IIRC Debian is removing Qt3 from mainline soon kb9vqf Which is a problem Xu_R Qt4 porting is a high priority Xu_R SuSE removed it from their mainstream already Xu_R and let it live in KDE:KDE3 kb9vqf I'm working as fast as I can :-P Xu_R Fedora has Qt3 - and that's it :P kb9vqf It's no small project Xu_R very true samelian kb9vqf: I think there is no reason to rush samelian we are only two active developers samelian so, if someone is unpatient, he can contribute samelian hmm, .ssh/config is not exactly .ini format samelian I will need to parse it manually kb9vqf Xu_R, samelian: http://imgur.com/tzv9z kb9vqf It is really coming along kb9vqf Just working through some more rendering glitches/failures Xu_R woah samelian nice Xu_R that's more than I expected :D kb9vqf Hehe Xu_R in such a short time too - kb9vqf, you rock! kb9vqf The biggest irritation I have right now is that JPEG/PNG/etc. embedded images do not display kb9vqf e.g. in khelpcenter Xu_R :-\ kb9vqf That and some painting problems in the pager kb9vqf window icons, etc. kb9vqf But overall the entire system is much more stable than last time I posted a screenshot :D samelian impressive, for sure kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf I just loaded up Qt4 designer kb9vqf Looks like a tinkertoy compared to the Trinity desktop in the background :) kb9vqf The widgets are significantly larger than the Trinity ones Xu_R lol *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R ok, looks like I need finished specs up to kdebase by wednesday... *Xu_R sighs - this week is suppsosed to be hell. :| *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Qu4Z has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R grr... dependencies. fun (not.) Xu_R night all *Waps has joined #trinity-desktop Waps Hi... On Debian Squeeze, trinity conflicts with desktop-base, sudo and kompare. Is there a chance, that this will be solved in a next version? *beers has joined #trinity-desktop beers have any of you tried trinity with kde 4 apps? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop Waps OK, I read the log in the case that somewhere answers... beers is deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/debian squeeze main down? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *user has joined #trinity-desktop Revan199 teh, key bindings wont work, what I do wrong? Revan199 I'm installed Trinity on one PC Revan199 with Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Revan199 also, GTK2-applications crashed Revan199 Pidgin 2.7.9 has segfaulted and attempted to dump a core file. Revan199 for example Revan199 I don't know why Revan199 samelian: ping Revan199 [10294:10294:4881435182:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(814)] GLib-GObject: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.26.0/gobject/gsignal.c:2315: instance `0xbf229c0' has no handler with id `1059' Revan199 [10294:10294:4881560104:ERROR:chrome/browser/browser_main.cc(814)] GLib-GObject: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.26.0/gobject/gsignal.c:2357: instance `0xbf229c0' has no handler with id `1059' *user has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *user has joined #trinity-desktop Revan199 who knowes anything about it? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki jo *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey finally back home MutantTurkey kb9vqf: ToRka mentioned that you wanted him to help me out with the website, anything specific you wanted from him? he seemed a bit confused *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I was just thinking some sort of rudimentary MySQL-driven CMS kb9vqf For the news articles, etc. kb9vqf To make it easy for the Website maintinence team to post/delete items MutantTurkey hmmm MutantTurkey we talked about that a bit. kb9vqf He can handle the backend stuff MutantTurkey not for static content though right? kb9vqf Server speed isn't the issue, network speed is :) kb9vqf MutantTurkey: No MutantTurkey network speed is our problem? ah :o MutantTurkey what connection do you have? kb9vqf 768kbit up MutantTurkey luckily the layout is simple enough to easily slap on a news feed. kb9vqf It's actually one of the best connections available in my area kb9vqf The USA can't seem to offer decent Internet service :-/ MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey I've got a low level verizon fios plan. MutantTurkey i get around 600 up i think kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf I get 10MBit down kb9vqf But noone likes to offer uplink MutantTurkey I get like 2.5 down MutantTurkey sometimes i thought you could ask them to like switch it up, give you more up than down? *kb9vqf has thought about asking if they would donate more uplink bandwidth to the open source project kb9vqf I haven't tried though kb9vqf I think they're too worried about customers pirating movies and such kb9vqf Which is a shame when there is a legitimate use MutantTurkey hmmmm MutantTurkey yeah I'd say ask them MutantTurkey because even 1 or 2M up would be great. MutantTurkey what about load balancing with two servers? I could get a box setup at my house. kb9vqf I'd thought about that as well kb9vqf The problem becomes the Wiki kb9vqf TokRa has a ridiculous amount of upload bandwidth kb9vqf But he doesn't have the build farm that I do kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf Seems the project has enough resources, but they are scattered everywhere kb9vqf Oh well MutantTurkey what is the problem with the wiki? kb9vqf Content sync MutantTurkey or heres an idea: serve the main site from my place or Torka MutantTurkey then the wiki can be served from you kb9vqf I had thought of that as well MutantTurkey just setup another subdomain and the IP switch is easy kb9vqf I dunno MutantTurkey the offer stands if you want to try it out. kb9vqf Let's replace the current site first MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf I'll contact my ISP kb9vqf and see if I can work something out MutantTurkey i added the release page, which is basically from the wiki. MutantTurkey good thinking, if you are a long time customer with an real problem, they might be willing to help kb9vqf Definitely a long term customer :) MutantTurkey good. MutantTurkey you can always pull the "well I was thinking about switching to _____ because they offer better uplink or whatever" card kb9vqf They know better ;-) kb9vqf They have the best service around here kb9vqf Actually I think they bumped me to almost 1MBit up recently MutantTurkey good kb9vqf But I have to reserve some bandwidth for overhead MutantTurkey right. MutantTurkey the wiki seems to be the slowest portion of the website kb9vqf Too much graphics and CSS kb9vqf Honestly I've noticed it being somewhat slow internally as well kb9vqf But it's not the server kb9vqf Load (disk/CPU/RAM) is nowhere near maxed out during page load kb9vqf Then again, almost every Wiki I've tried is somewhat slow on load MutantTurkey what wiki software is that? kb9vqf FOSWiki MutantTurkey hmmm MutantTurkey why that vs MediaWiki say? (i don't really know the differences) MutantTurkey maybe we could cut down on the graphics or something. kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf There's some discussion in the IRC logs on that kb9vqf It's a common question MutantTurkey also what sort of server you got running there? kb9vqf A large Opteron 8-core MutantTurkey I'm thinking of investing in a good server setup MutantTurkey power usage a bit high? kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf 4.5KW peak MutantTurkey D: kb9vqf That's with the build farm though MutantTurkey my atom server is 30W peak haahahahah MutantTurkey but for a static website i don't need anything at all. kb9vqf But I can do scientific supercomputing with my setup... :) kb9vqf That's its primary purpose actually MutantTurkey agreed MutantTurkey i can barely crunch numbers MutantTurkey atom is the joke of the CPU world MutantTurkey wanna switch over to an ARM board. kb9vqf ARM isn't nearly as well supported though on the application end AFAIK kb9vqf It's not a common build target kb9vqf Well, not as popular as AMD64 that is MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey but i don't need anything MutantTurkey just apache or lighttpd + a kernel. MutantTurkey debian has an arm port so they actually keep alot of stuff from breaking MutantTurkey debian <3 they do so much great work kb9vqf Yes they do :) kb9vqf There is really nothing that can beat the Opterons for raw FLOPS kb9vqf Even Intel's server chips still fall short MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey I need something in the middle kb9vqf The're not cheap though :-P kb9vqf Well, how about a non-Opteron AMD chip> kb9vqf ? MutantTurkey I don't really need flops i need low power. kb9vqf Right MutantTurkey beagle board cluster? kb9vqf I use a NSLU2 for really low power stuff :) kb9vqf Runs Debian MutantTurkey NSLU2? kb9vqf http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEIQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNSLU2&rct=j&q=nslu2&ei=OVNZTcCNI8H_lgfwzLX0Bw&usg=AFQjCNFr2ynqi5xJeElHp5OQfrrLMm3CTg&sig2=pvkQXP8Q3FQkxv-EMMRQMw&cad=rja kb9vqf Sorry kb9vqf en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 kb9vqf Either that or some of the new wireless routers have pretty powerful chips inside kb9vqf But I think I may be on the low power end of what you are looking for kb9vqf You could try a standard laptop MutantTurkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda_Board MutantTurkey check this out kb9vqf Neat *kb9vqf knows nothing about that ARM device though MutantTurkey its 1ghz MutantTurkey power ful as anything kb9vqf I'd want to see some comparisons against a 1GHz AMD/Intel chip MutantTurkey most androids have the same chip in them. MutantTurkey I think it kicks butt. kb9vqf Cool kb9vqf Give it a shot :) *kb9vqf would be tempted to get one to play with *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ sorry MutantTurkey_ internet is fishy MutantTurkey_ really fishy MutantTurkey_ keeps cutting out *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa ^_^ MutantTurkey_ hey TokRa *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop Piki here's an idea: once TDE has gotten the main stuff (cmake, tqt, etc) completed, perhaps we could get a Windows port going? kdelibs and core apps first, then go from there, much like they're doing with KDE4 Piki just to help windows-users get used to linux-type apps before switching, and to provide a little comfort to those of us who are forced to use windows kb9vqf I wouldn't mind kb9vqf BUT kb9vqf Windows lacks some features that Trinity uses kb9vqf So it wouldn't exactly be simple :-P Piki that's why i'm saying to wait until after the main stuff is done, to have more attention to devote to the windows stuff ;-) kb9vqf Of course :) Piki and if i can convince hp to replace my cpu with one that can do virtualization (they're saying they don't support that because it's a custom ordered machine that was ordered "as is" from the vendor), i can run my restore discs to get win7, shrink it down, and create a vbox vdi image for it to help test the win port Piki either that, or someone can get me a 32bit windows to install in vbox to do the testing ;-P Piki kb9vqf: the good new is, i've almost nothing to do now through wednesday night, so i can get started on my TDE builds and Qt stuff Piki start learning some stuff kb9vqf Sounds good kb9vqf :) Piki kb9vqf: for someone just interested in writing apps for tqt, would it be better to learn Qt3 or Qt4? kb9vqf Qt3 Piki alright, that's what i'll concentrate on first kb9vqf Qt4 can be used to some extent but it is highly discouraged kb9vqf Because TQt does not isolate Qt4 calls kb9vqf Leading to rewritten applications in the future :( Piki then once i've mastered qt3, i'll start on qt4 Xu_R whoo :D The power went out in school around 1300 :P but they still let us out at 1410... programming class was boring XD Xu_R LOL for mageia - they opened up the mirrors: Xu_R "the artwork is either very nice ( the part that the art-team was able to produce, kudos for them ) or less nice ( the part were packagers discovered that kpaint is like ms paint " *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: you there? I may be having a problem with kdelibs kb9vqf Xu_R: kb9vqf Yes Xu_R samelian: this might apply to you too, you there? Xu_R ok, two seperate errors, two seperate distributions Xu_R Mandriva 2010.1: http://lincom.pastebin.com/PM7tRST5 Xu_R Fedora 14: http://lincom.pastebin.com/AUnbaQzn Xu_R scroll down to the very bottom for the error *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Ooo, nice kb9vqf samelian: That's in your territory :) kb9vqf Looks like CMake didn't add/detect the Xorg linker flags Xu_R the Fedora 14 one, I'm still looking for some package to provide that kb9vqf I remember making the approriate change in Automake Xu_R the Mandriva 2010.1 one, that's you kb9vqf ;) samelian I will check kb9vqf Xu_R: You are right samelian Xu_R: which compiler/ kb9vqf Xu_R: In kdeui/kshortcutdialog_simple.h see if there is an #include "tqlabel.h" anywhere kb9vqf If not, add it and try again Xu_R kb9vqf: I'm building this straight from SVN ;) *goes to look in websvn* Xu_R samelian: I think gcc 44, lemme check kb9vqf Oh, OK kb9vqf Xu_R: Those are autogenerated files kb9vqf It won't be there :-P Xu_R *sigh* lol kb9vqf Xu_R: Can you send me kdeui/kshortcutdialog_simple.h ? kb9vqf via pastebin? Xu_R samelian: correction, gcc 4.5.1 kb9vqf I need to know what your uic is up to :) Xu_R and for mandriva, gcc 4.4.3 Xu_R (damn, two different ones...) Xu_R kb9vqf: will do a `cat kdeui/kshortcutdialog_simple.h` and pastebin it kb9vqf That'll work Xu_R YAY! the latest OBS allows me to, err... "save my buildroots" - searching the buildroot now Xu_R kb9vqf: http://lincom.pastebin.com/jMaf8saV kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf I think I see the problem *kb9vqf goes to look in SVN Xu_R ok, fixed the Fedora failing problem - found libX11-devel that I completely missed XD Xu_R kb9vqf: if you fix anything in svn, shout out so I can trigger services :) kb9vqf Xu_R: On Mandriva when was tqtinterface built? kb9vqf From what SVN revision? Xu_R kb9vqf:1218077 kb9vqf Hmm kb9vqf That should be OK kb9vqf Do you have uic-tqt on that system then? kb9vqf It should be in /usr/bin or similar Xu_R yup - gets installed in a clean buildroot every time *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Xu_R: I suspect that the uic command line is incorrect when kshortcutdialog_simple.ui is parsed kb9vqf Can you find the exact command that was run and send it to me? kb9vqf It should have been run when cmake entered kdeui/ Xu_R wait - I think I might have found something related to this... hmm... *fixes stuff* MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i think i will convert all the images on the website to jpg. more lossy, but will reduce size by alot. Xu_R kb9vqf: you can see the exact command - see line 2842 in the Mandriva 2010.1 logfile Xu_R that I pastebinned *zcrayfish has left #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Xu_R: No, that's the GCC command line kb9vqf I'm looking for the (hidden) command that includes kshortcutdialog_simple.ui kb9vqf in its parameters Xu_R I don't find anything here... :( kb9vqf It has to be run somehow Xu_R ah Xu_R 2476 Xu_R cd /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/kdelibs-3.5.12.99.rev1218078/kdeui && /usr/bin/cmake -DQT_UIC_EXECUTABLE:FILEPATH=/usr/lib/qt3/bin/uic -DTDE_QTPLUGINS_DIR:FILEPATH= -DUI_FILE:FILEPATH=/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/kdelibs-3.5.12.99.rev1218078/kdeui/kshortcutdialog_simple.ui -P /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/kdelibs-3.5.12.99.rev1218078/cmake/modules/tde_uic.cmake kb9vqf Yup kb9vqf There it is kb9vqf -DQT_UIC_EXECUTABLE:FILEPATH=/usr/lib/qt3/bin/uic kb9vqf That's the problem kb9vqf -DQT_UIC_EXECUTABLE:FILEPATH=/usr/lib/qt3/bin/uic-tqt kb9vqf That's probably what it should be Xu_R or /usr/bin/uic-tqt kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Just DON'T CALL uic DIRECTLY kb9vqf :-) Xu_R hehe kb9vqf HTH Xu_R yay for success :P Xu_R brb dinner Piki any suggestions for a qt-based app for converting to mpeg? can't seem to find one, and been looking for one to convert flash over to rockbox MutantTurkey Piki: do it by cli? :/ Piki MutantTurkey: ffmpeg doesn't seem to like when i try to specify a screen size MutantTurkey what format to what format MutantTurkey I can help probably. Piki flv to mpeg *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop Piki or whatever format youtube uses MutantTurkey flv hmmm MutantTurkey should be something like ffmpeg -i lol.flv -ab 56 -ar 22050 -b 500 -s 320×240 lol.mpg MutantTurkey the size should be in the format WIDTHxHEIGHT MutantTurkey like 2000x1000 or whatevs TokRa MMC TokRa http://www.miksoft.net/mobileMediaConverter.htm TokRa Works under Linux and Windows Piki MutantTurkey: yah, and it didn't like that before when i tried it. i was using "ffmpeg -i lol.flv -s 320x240 lol.mpg, and i specified the size (in pixels) of my mp3 player screen, and it still went off the edges of the screen Piki TokRa: qt based? TokRa Hm, don't know TokRa It uses ffmpeg and mencoder as backend TokRa as many other converters do Piki yeah, that's what i've been finding, just don't want to be dragging in a bunch of GTK deps, currently grabbing huge amounts of files, and about to start with TDE, so i can use all the space i can get Piki and i tend to lean toward qt anyway Piki found the requirements, it uses gtk MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey why not make a trinity app for that? samelian MutantTurkey: who? :) samelian we are overloaded already Piki MutantTurkey: if i knew how to program and could get ffmpeg working MutantTurkey I could do that one :p samelian is not so simple as you expect MutantTurkey samelian: i think i could do it tbh. MutantTurkey anyway, was just a thought. samelian Xu_R: i think the problem with uic are not solved :) samelian inside, tde_uic.cmake run tqt-replace, as uic-tqt do kb9vqf samelian: Do you know how to get the active QPainter from a QWidget? kb9vqf I can't seem to find a way kb9vqf This is under Qt4 samelian kb9vqf: QWidget inherit QPaintDevice kb9vqf Right kb9vqf I've tried QPaintDevice::paintEngine()->painter() but it always comes back NULL kb9vqf samelian: ^^^ samelian you can't rewrite paintEvent? kb9vqf I'm more interested in catching a specific case where multiple painters are being used on a single paint device kb9vqf And no kb9vqf This is for a much lower level function samelian Xu_R: you using out-of-source mode? *dlsp has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R back dlsp I'm having issues connecting with your servers (getting a GPG key and for actually installing). They don't seem to respond to pinging either (keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net, ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net). Is there an issue with the servers or is the problem with me? Xu_R dlsp: I think QuickBuild is down atm - ping kb9vqf Xu_R samelian: ok, hold on. Xu_R and no. Xu_R (i think?) kb9vqf I've been dealing with Bug 439 for too long now :( tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=439 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSI, http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/ does not respond kb9vqf I need replacement parts kb9vqf They will take a few days to arrive samelian Xu_R: currently tde_uic.cmake working well only on out-of-source mode kb9vqf dlsp: see bug 439 Xu_R samelian: is there a switch for out-of-source mode? dlsp kb9vqf: ok will do samelian Xu_R: "cmake ." is in-source samelian "cd /tmp/build; cmake /my/src/dir" is out-of-source Xu_R ah. I've been doing in-source Xu_R I guess I'll have to switch to out-of-source, eh? >_< samelian yes, at least for the moment samelian for kde4 out-of-source is mandatory samelian for a good reason, i think samelian but I will try to maintain in-source as well kb9vqf Ubuntu builds out of source too kb9vqf It's just a good idea kb9vqf :) samelian yes, is much cleaner Xu_R ah, ok. Xu_R I made a %cmake_trinity macro - now to adjust it ;) Xu_R adjusting that should make all trinity cmake builds out-of-source samelian Xu_R: I think David C. Rankin made the same mistake, please explain to him what to do Xu_R ok Xu_R he started bugging gcc and opensuse-kde3 about it *aidaho has joined #trinity-desktop samelian hehe Xu_R I told him it might be cmake and we're investigating - so i'm going to email him in a bit :) Xu_R samelian: do we use SKIP RPATH? samelian no way Xu_R or is that automatically assumed? Xu_R ah. ok. no that. gotit. samelian skip rpath will stop you building kdelib, i think samelian rpath is erased at install phase, automatically Xu_R ah Xu_R awesome :D Xu_R good Xu_R that means I have to avoid using %cmake on Mandriva at all costs - they use the skip rpath Xu_R this is why I made my own %cmake_trinity :D samelian hehe samelian at least, skip rpath should't used when built executable is used for generating other things Xu_R heh. Fedora caught on to that. Mandriva's being a bit slow ;) Xu_R done. now to see the results... of course, now I have to wait on a rebuild of everything +_+ samelian Xu_R: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::575 samelian also, read http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake-2-8-docs.html#variable:CMAKE_SKIP_RPATH Xu_R great. David Rankin ran his mouth on opensuse-kde3 and caused Ilya to reconsider making KDE:KDE3 move to Trinity -GAH *dlsp has left #trinity-desktop Xu_R ...this is usually where I wish I had a faster server with more memory and 8 cores. Xu_R the build is taking sooo long Xu_R samelian: ah, and thanks for the links kb9vqf Xu_R: So now let me guess, Ilya doesn't want to move to Trinity now? Xu_R not at the moment now. kb9vqf What the heck did Rankin say?!?? Xu_R "Ilya, All, The Trinity source will not build with gcc >= 4.5. See: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=47723 The open question is whether it is gcc or Trinity that needs to be fixed. I don't know which gcc 11.4 will use, but keep this in mind if it has 4.5 or later." Xu_R Ilya: "KDE3 in KDE:KDE3 builds well with GCC 4.5. Thus I think we should not upgrade to Trinity right now." kb9vqf Nice kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf It's a simple fix too kb9vqf Grrrrrr Xu_R yea. I've been building with Fedora 14 for a while too, and if it built with gcc 4.5.1 there, then... ::facepalm:: samelian i will switch to gcc 4.5, to check if everything can be compiled with it Xu_R lol Xu_R my response: " Ok - This is a cmake error, DON'T PANIC. Everything builds well with GCC 4.5." kb9vqf Xu_R: I made the change in my local SVN tree Xu_R or in SVN kb9vqf It'll be commited along with the remainder of the Tqt fixes soon Xu_R (w/e lol) Xu_R kb9vqf: ok. kb9vqf I would suggest damage control if you can :-P kb9vqf It is literally a two line fix to one file Xu_R yea - I'm trying to damage control as much as I can right now - which means I really need a deadline of Wednesday for kdebase if I want Ilya to inspect it. kb9vqf Hmm kb9vqf I'll commit what I can to SVN in the next day or so kb9vqf But it won't be perfect kb9vqf We are smack dab in the middle of the Trinity development cycle ATM Xu_R and a deadline of Wednesday so that mr. rankin can use what I have to make his Arch Linux pkgbuilds Xu_R kb9vqf: ah, true. kb9vqf Remember release isn't planned until early summer kb9vqf Lots of bad code in SVN ATM Xu_R The way I see it, as soon as everything builds successfully, I'm going to freeze it entirely and mark it as 3.5.12.99. kb9vqf NOT A GOOD IDEA samelian kb9vqf: I propose to maintain two branches kb9vqf SVN has not even been functionality checked yet kb9vqf samelian: Maybe Xu_R o. Should I just keep running services until 3.5.13 then? o_o kb9vqf No kb9vqf But do a functionality check before freezing it! Xu_R oh. I was going to do that anyway. kb9vqf Make sure all the kdelibs and kdebase apps actually *work* properly :) kb9vqf That's my biggest problem samelian kb9vqf: at least for me, it working :) kb9vqf OK samelian i used it in production *kb9vqf didn't hear that :) Xu_R XD kb9vqf So we have one vote of working samelian "production" meaning my personal workstation :) kb9vqf Oh, OK kb9vqf That's better Xu_R lol *kb9vqf had a mini panic attack there samelian hehe kb9vqf I am especially worried about kate samelian seems stable enough, anyway samelian kate working perfectly samelian kwrite, actually kb9vqf I changed all the Qt casts to dynamic_casts Xu_R arts: Service execution got triggered kb9vqf It guarantees stability samelian i wrote in kwrite most of cmake scripts Xu_R kdelibs3: Service execution got triggered kb9vqf But I wasn't sure if something would break somewhere kb9vqf So the fact that it works for you is a good sign :) kb9vqf It should fix some random crashes that were occuring kb9vqf the cast changes, that is samelian kwrite not crashing at al kb9vqf Good kb9vqf I was hitting some odd random crashes kb9vqf And Qt4 made it always crash kb9vqf Hence the change samelian also, I use quanta wery much kb9vqf Which uses the textinterface part samelian i think quanta use kate kparts as well kb9vqf Good kb9vqf One functionality check done, 187327 to go :) Xu_R LOL samelian hehe Xu_R I think we should start making testsuites ;) and checklists :P kb9vqf I have one more big batch commit for kdelibs and kdebase samelian meantime, I checking my brand new sftp kioslave kb9vqf Xu_R: indeed samelian because I write my websites "in site" Xu_R kb9vqf: do you have some checklist somewhere, or should we create that on the wiki? :) kb9vqf I don't kb9vqf Wiki would be good MutantTurkey i made a website checklist :D Xu_R I don't have write perms - but I'm sure you can create it :P kb9vqf You don't kb9vqf ? kb9vqf You should Xu_R No. samelian kb9vqf: you change something in mimes? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: for things todo kb9vqf samelian: Why? MutantTurkey oh sorry samelian klipper crashing very ofter because of mime kb9vqf No, that's Qt3 kb9vqf :-P samelian i see kb9vqf I have seen that crash before Xu_R :-\ kb9vqf It seems to be fixed under Qt4 samelian sometime I must to dig it deeper kb9vqf Qt3 may need a null pointer check somewhere in QMimeSource kb9vqf That's my guess samelian probably you right Xu_R kb9vqf: yup, I don't have access on the wiki kb9vqf samelian :If you can get the exact line number in a backtrace we can patch it I suppose kb9vqf Why not samelian i must to compile it with debug info kb9vqf Xu_R: You wiki username is ??? kb9vqf *Your Xu_R RobertXu kb9vqf samelian: Do you want system admin access to the Wiki so that you can add user write access? samelian Xu_R: just curious, your surname seems chinesse Xu_R samelian: I am chinese :) samelian aha :) samelian kb9vqf: i do not know fosswiki good enough kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Just asking since I am in the user editor :) samelian kb9vqf: right now i learning too many things :) kb9vqf Understandable samelian i do not want to learn one more kb9vqf Xu_R: You should have write access now Xu_R samelian is too full of knowledge ;) kb9vqf Hehe samelian i'm too old for this :) samelian no more room in my memory :)) Xu_R kb9vqf: yup, got it. thanks. Creating a checklist. *kb9vqf knows THAT feeling :) Xu_R lol - something to look forward to when I get older. kb9vqf I'm running a rebuild check on kdelibs/kdebase ATM kb9vqf Qt4 is almost stabilized enought to commit kb9vqf Not tqtinterface kb9vqf Just the TQt porting of kdelibs/kdebase kb9vqf Then it needs to be fully functionality tested Piki no more room in my head to add more memory, nor do i know the access code to open it up and replace my old memory that can't remember worth heck Piki forgot the code ages ago ;-) kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Where's the EMH from Voyager when you need him? Piki who? kb9vqf Star Trek Voyager samelian AI kb9vqf The Doctor Piki oh, haven't watched that kb9vqf Sorry samelian Piki: your loss :) *samelian fan StarTrek and Stargate kb9vqf Same kb9vqf :) Piki kb9vqf: i thought you were referring to the old kid's show where they go through time making sure history goes correctly kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf Emergency Medical Hologram kb9vqf Doctor as in a medical doctor Piki samelian: never much cared for TV, only watch a select few shows samelian Piki: me too kb9vqf Same here Xu_R yup Piki kb9vqf: the time travel show is actually called "Voyager" ;-) samelian I do not wath at TV shows at all kb9vqf Really kb9vqf Well, I need to be more careful with my esoteric references then :) kb9vqf I might be misunderstood Xu_R wow - I've got about 10 basic items on the checklist - this might be easier than I thought ;) Xu_R ok - preliminary checklist and testsuite: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TestsuiteAndChecklist MutantTurkey Xu_R: that is very good Xu_R MutantTurkey: Thanks! :) MutantTurkey seems pretty much to cover the basics. Piki Xu_R: for item 31, make sure people know to test both audio and video, ogg can contain both Xu_R I figured that we can provide an ogg file for testing - like a simple it works! animation MutantTurkey then get rid of 32. MutantTurkey 31.Can you launch Media Players and play this file [sample file] ? does the sound work? does the video work? Xu_R done MutantTurkey we'll need to get a sample ogg file. Xu_R yup. I'm sure we can scavage that from somewhere... MutantTurkey wikipedia has alot of videos, all in ogg format MutantTurkey so we should just get a short video clip from there. Xu_R aye. MutantTurkey should we ask them to load the acid3 test instead of "google.com" ? MutantTurkey http://acid3.acidtests.org/ MutantTurkey seems like a standard web test. MutantTurkey moreso than using google Xu_R got a ogg video file from wikimedia MutantTurkey great MutantTurkey with sound? Xu_R MutantTurkey: that's not what we want the users to do - that's Konqueror's problem Xu_R yea MutantTurkey then what are we checking from Konqueror? Xu_R to see if it loads a webpage. MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey justto test connectivity Xu_R yes MutantTurkey what is 13 for then? MutantTurkey also then we can combine 8 and 14 maybe Xu_R ok, added the ogg file Xu_R MutantTurkey: maybe Xu_R MutantTurkey: actually, no. 8 and 14 should not go together Xu_R you could be connected to NetworkManager Xu_R but Konqueror could fail to see the connection Xu_R also, #13 just sees if Konqueror can be loaded up instantly or it you need to "tweak" it to load it. Xu_R kb9vqf: so that Mandriva error I showed you - you fixed it, right? I just need to wait for you to commit it to SVN... Xu_R because I fixed the dependency problem on Fedora, and now they're both stuck at the same point, lol ;) Piki kickoff, same menu from opensuse and kde4? Xu_R Piki: yea Piki i didn't know we had it? Piki or was that added to TDE? Xu_R part of KDE since 3.5.10... Piki Ark 2008.1 uses 3.5.10, never saw kickoff Piki i've only seen it under kde3 under opensuse MutantTurkey Xu_R: okay good point Xu_R probably backported patch - actually, SuSE and Mandriva had it on 3.5.9 Xu_R kb9vqf: Actually, I take that back. Take that back. Xu_R samelian: I'm still having this: http://lincom.pastebin.com/xJp1BNwf Xu_R I have all the dependencies there - but for some reason, it doesn't like the library Xu_R weird, cause mandriva the cmake took the lib just fine Xu_R MutantTurkey: any other suggestions? MutantTurkey Xu_R: will look over later. going to go shower Xu_R ok Piki Xu_R: perhaps add something like "Does it detect a network when connecting through another network connection applet (such as WiCD or others)? (if available) Piki " samelian Xu_R: try now samelian seems that libX11 must be linked to dcop Xu_R ok Xu_R samelian: while you're pondering that, I got farther in the Mandriva build and then died here: http://lincom.pastebin.com/rtSbnxTe Xu_R *while i'm doing that Xu_R wait, samelian: did you commit to SVN? samelian what? Xu_R you said you wanted me to try again - but did you change anything in SVN? samelian yes, dcop error samelian but wait samelian I want to add a check for ltdl.h Xu_R ah. ok. tell me when you're ready. *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop samelian Xu_R: I made AVAHI support optional samelian if you want it, use -DWITH_AVAHI=ON Xu_R ok samelian done Xu_R that makes life a bit easier, because most distributions dropped avahi-qt3 samelian i hope will compile without avahi support :) Xu_R :D Xu_R kdelibs3: Service execution got triggered Xu_R samelian: still dcop can't link. I don't know why this doesn't work, it used to work before :( samelian pastebin, pls Xu_R http://lincom.pastebin.com/fjB0H2a1 *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop samelian seems good samelian this time is dcopquit MutantTurkey kb9vqf: we have a blocker bug for archlinux that is easily resolved. mind commiting it for me? Xu_R samelian: ah, ok. I thought it was the same ;) Xu_R MutantTurkey: what bug? :O MutantTurkey let me find it sorry MutantTurkey David Rankin thought it was a GCC 4.5 problem. apparently GCC intentionally breaks this. MutantTurkey http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=47723 MutantTurkey because the code is not C++ compliant or such Xu_R oh my god. Xu_R That was fixed already MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey then why is it not in svn? Xu_R Did David Rankin post this to archlinux or something? MutantTurkey no he just emailed me,. Xu_R kb9vqf will do a batch commit soon Xu_R grrr MutantTurkey okay. MutantTurkey because we are sort of waiting for that to finish up archlinux. Xu_R I already had to do damage control on opensuse-kde3... >_< Xu_R it's a minimal thing, also I might have to look over his cmake arguments. MutantTurkey yeah. arch is rolling release. which means basically anything that can break, will break if you don't do your homework. MutantTurkey his cmake arguments are good i think. we are trying to keep everything in /opt/ MutantTurkey yeah: the solution is simple. Xu_R well, he decided to notify opensuse-kde3 ML and it's forcing me to rush up to Wednesday samelian Xu_R: i'm not sure how to solve this, I guess we need to fix one by one MutantTurkey Xu_R: who David? Xu_R samelian: what makes me wonder is how it works straight for Mandriva and then not for Fedora samelian I won't link to X11 the executables which do not need it samelian is something about linker Xu_R MutantTurkey: yea... I said I'd have Trinity RPMs by Wednesday MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey for him? I thought he was working soley on arch Xu_R no, for openSUSE MutantTurkey oh okay Xu_R he tried to get help on opensuse-kde3 MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey sorry for the trouble then. when do you think kb9vqf will do a commit for this? Xu_R and now i'm doing damage control trying to get Trinity accepted into SuSE Xu_R MutantTurkey: don't worry, I don't mind, just a little more planning is what I need :) Xu_R kb9vqf said he'd do it tmrw or so samelian Xu_R: commited MutantTurkey yeah? commited? good Xu_R kdelibs3: Service execution got triggered Xu_R MutantTurkey: no, that's cmake fixes MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey I'll email David again now then. Xu_R that's why I said wait - because we're still ironing out bugs MutantTurkey yeah. MutantTurkey I am just working on the website for now Xu_R hmm, so right now we have a jack of all trades (kb9vqf), the builder and put-together-er (samelian), the website (MutantTurkey), the users (me and anyone else compiling Trinity) Xu_R I think we're doing pretty good :) MutantTurkey agreed. MutantTurkey I had been looking for a nice project like this for a very long time. small enough developer base to be able to get to know the people, but not to small where it is boring. Xu_R :D Xu_R The ideal project. MutantTurkey indeed. MutantTurkey Xu_R: is that good for an about section? http://96.245.17.6/about.php Xu_R MutantTurkey: short, and straight to the point - yea. kb9vqf Xu_R: Gotta run, but I'll try to get the fixes commited tonight or tomorrow morning Xu_R ok. Night kb9vqf. MutantTurkey what does e.V mean? Xu_R I think it's just their way of saying the KDE foundation MutantTurkey no. I have seen it elsewhere also Xu_R maybe jurisdiction? MutantTurkey for example, "ffis e.V." MutantTurkey just saw that here http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/ Xu_R I'm thinking jurisdiction - the country might matter in which the foundation resides... MutantTurkey ah okay MutantTurkey samelian: can i align to the center with a div? samelian depends samelian what you want to align? MutantTurkey I would like to center an image MutantTurkey Its not nessicary but it'd be nice. samelian try text-align:center MutantTurkey that only works for text i think samelian nope samelian it align any content in a div MutantTurkey it aligns all content in a div Xu_R samelian: yay, it works! samelian good MutantTurkey can someone take 2 screenshots of Trinity 3.5.12? (one of desktop one with just konqueror open) I just a higher resolution image than the one we have right now. Xu_R ok, at 87% for kdelibs - this is good, I can finish restructuring kdebase, and then I might be able to make the Wednesday deadline for succeeded up to kdebase specs :D Xu_R MutantTurkey: sorry, just shut my Trinity VM off and my Unity Linux VM on. :-\ MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey Xu_R: okay tomorrow then maybe? Xu_R actually, hold on. I'll boot up my Trinity VM then. give me a moment :) MutantTurkey :) thank you sir Xu_R hmm Xu_R what's a good snapshot tool? Piki ksnapshot Piki comes with KDE3/4 Piki not sure what formats it supports, other than png Piki but they can be converted samelian or even gimp samelian time to sleep samelian gn all Piki samelian: gimp takes screenshots? Xu_R night samelian :) samelian Piki: sure Xu_R MutantTurkey: got two screenshots: MutantTurkey Xu_R: great MutantTurkey Piki: yeah apparently Piki MutantTurkey: ? MutantTurkey I always just used scrot MutantTurkey scrot is simple and fast. MutantTurkey i reccomend MutantTurkey sorry for slow answer, I was busy for a minute Xu_R MutantTurkey: www.wuala.com/robxu9/public_html/ Xu_R you'll find the two snapshots in there :) MutantTurkey enjoyed switzerland eh? MutantTurkey I'm swiss. Xu_R lol Xu_R nice :) MutantTurkey yeah. wow great screens thanks! Xu_R np ^^ Piki wtf? can't get vbox to start, first it's complaining that the kernel module isn't loading, then complains that the module is not accessible after loading it... Piki any virtualbox buffs on? MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey not me. Xu_R I'm always running virtualbox... Piki i only run it sometimes, don't always need a vm Xu_R did you upgrade your kernel/vbox version/kernel-headers/kernel-modules/vbox-guest-additions? Piki nope, using the version in the Ark repos Xu_R oh, if you're using arklinux's version, idk Piki Ark is using the OSE, 4.0.2 Xu_R is your vbox kernel module using 4.0.2? Piki i never had an other version of vbox on here Piki so i assume so Xu_R make sure you have everything installed Xu_R do not assume so. Piki well, unless bero's buildserver some didn't auto-clean itself like it's designed to, i don't see what other vbox it's from Piki and it was working awhile ago *Xu_R shrugs Xu_R you seem to always have problems with your computers... Piki and the only other vbox package is -debug, which is debug symbols for the packager/bug reporter MutantTurkey windows troubleshooting : reboot Xu_R hehe, always true. best solution - reboot ;) MutantTurkey Xu_R: thanks again for the images Xu_R not just windows - everything Xu_R MutantTurkey: no problem :D Piki Xu_R: i wouldn't have such trouble if we had a release out, or if other distros actually knew how to make things work. Ark is the only one that has actually worked, but 2008.1 is too old, and we need a new one Piki well, if you can't figure out what the problem is in linux, reboot, otherwise service something restart Xu_R Piki: there are many distributions that work, they just all seem to hate you xD MutantTurkey Arch :D Xu_R arch is nice Xu_R but I deleted the VM for it because it started taking up a bit too much hd space ;) MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey i just realized i am using 60gbs of my hard drive MutantTurkey no ide ahow Xu_R damn lol MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey alot of music MutantTurkey but i moved most to an external MutantTurkey so no idea D: MutantTurkey everything is in FLAC thats probably why hahaha MutantTurkey Xu_R: http://96.245.17.6/releases.php, nice images, you can click to enlarge :D Piki Xu_R: i have tried quite a few distros on quite a few computers, they just don't work Piki though i haven't tried Arch, haven't had the time to actually sit and do the manual config stuff, barely have time to test AL, and setting up for TDE is taking ages MutantTurkey arch doesn't take to much time to setup MutantTurkey there is a minimal amount of config usually, they give you package defaults. everything else is up to you. Xu_R lol MutantTurkey Xu_R and the release page is NICE :D MutantTurkey Arch makes it almost like arch doesn't exist. all problems are the developers fault, not archs. Xu_R epic win :D MutantTurkey we just package, we don't fix. that is upstreams job. MutantTurkey Xu_R: yes :D Piki i couldn't get my network working to install any of those packages MutantTurkey I think the long lists of features should be improved, like side by side panes MutantTurkey or maybe a nice table. MutantTurkey one great thing about the 3.5.11 release is that they had lots of pictures. people love that. MutantTurkey they understand pictures. not long lists Xu_R pictures... MutantTurkey http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_11 MutantTurkey look Xu_R a feast for the eyes MutantTurkey like they highlight things we have fixed, and pictures make it easy for a user to go "oh wow they finally fixed that! great!" Xu_R yup Piki it didn't seem to include any network config stuff other than ifconfig and resolv.conf, and i need something like dhclient or dhcpcd and an easy-to-config wpa util Xu_R when 3.5.13 gets out MutantTurkey we will do that I guess. Xu_R that's going to be a priority Xu_R yeah, we need to be like, hey people, major improvements! MutantTurkey yes exactly. Xu_R Piki: you have strange problems with computers. :( and arch linux has dhcp and stuff... Piki and their wiki page for resolv.conf wasn't as thorough as i would have liked, i don't like doing config files MutantTurkey because we need to say " hey look. KDE 3 has been around since like 2002. Its been a long run, and over that time its improved a ton, we are continuing to fix it and make it better" Piki Xu_R: well i couldn't find any dhcp stuff MutantTurkey Piki: lol MutantTurkey usually just /etc/rc.d/network start is enough to get it going MutantTurkey if you have any trouble don't hesitate to ask #archlinux, check our great wiki or ask me :D Xu_R MutantTurkey: We should put in bold at the top: We've made it easier to try Trinity on your distribution! MutantTurkey exactly. MutantTurkey exactly exactly. Xu_R and then continue by saying there's cmake and we've depreciated HAL, which is old stuff pre-2008 MutantTurkey i mean, all this backend stuff is good for us, but for them they need to see it Piki MutantTurkey: didn't see it in their docs when i was searching around MutantTurkey Piki: we have awesoem docs. the wiki dude. Xu_R when the users see pre-2008, they'll be like, oooh, progress! MutantTurkey yes Piki and besides, i tend to use wireless Piki MutantTurkey: i did search there Piki and the entire site as well MutantTurkey "PHASING OUT THE OLD, BRINGING IN THE NEW' - "TDE 3.5.13 IS THE NEXT-GEN RELEASE" MutantTurkey shit like that. MutantTurkey people love that. Piki i saw the resolv.conf stuff on the wiki Xu_R definitely :D MutantTurkey Piki: D: wireless is evil. MutantTurkey well not really MutantTurkey just for setting up off of a minimal boot cd. Xu_R MutantTurkey: Do you think we should start mapping out 3.5.13 release notes in Developer? Piki MutantTurkey: if you know how to set it up securely and properly, it's not MutantTurkey Piki: also, I don't trust any keys. MutantTurkey I know how to hack wifi so easily, i don't trust it. Xu_R kinda like what GNOME does - map out the release notes as they come, then screenshot them and put them into Documentation when 3.5.13 is released? MutantTurkey i use mac authentication and the whole jazz but still. Xu_R damn MutatnTur MutantTurkey Xu_R: that is a good idea. *aledec has left #trinity-desktop Xu_R *MutantTurkey is pro :P Xu_R ok. MutantTurkey lol :p MutantTurkey install aircrack-ng suite, play with it a bit. you can hack anything. Xu_R nice Piki WPA2+AES+MAC Filter+AP Isolation MutantTurkey yep. Piki MutantTurkey: of course, nothing is perfect MutantTurkey Piki: thats how you got to do it. MutantTurkey most people are fools though MutantTurkey Xu_R: back to the talk of 3.5.13 release. whats the dealeo with bluetooth? Piki but if you setup your WPA2 key with a purely random 63-character key (63 is as long as it goes), and change it on occasion, it's near impossible to hack Piki oh, and hide ssid broadcast MutantTurkey on occasion? man my friend had his change like every six hours MutantTurkey some awesome scripting went into that. Piki unless you've got a really determined guy sitting right outside your house working endlessly at it, that's a bit extreme Piki i change mine about once a week MutantTurkey we have alot of fun with it :p MutantTurkey my wifi network i am on right now ( i am wired of course) is pathetic. MutantTurkey i think they are using WEP + no MAC filter + ssid broadcasting + zero firewall Xu_R MutantTurkey: bluetooth, still nothing :( Piki of course, there was the guy who kept hacking the connection when i was on my mother's fios, but i think he was hacking from the internet, not the curb, and my mother didn't want the fios firewall set Piki MutantTurkey: that is pathetic ;-) MutantTurkey Xu_R: okay check this link http://96.245.17.6/TODO.txt MutantTurkey this is my todo list for the website Xu_R MutantTurkey: NICE! :D MutantTurkey yeah Xu_R I started the Release Notes for 3.5.13 as a draft: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Releases_3_5_13_DRAFT MutantTurkey once the release is final we are going to move that to the main website Piki if i have to, though, i can go wired with my current connection, just a hassle having to move around my hotspot all the time when i'm home MutantTurkey Piki: agreed. Xu_R MutantTurkey: I'll move it to Documentation in the Wiki, and we'll move it to the main website, yea. :D MutantTurkey sweet. MutantTurkey because only certain stuff should be on the wiki. Piki and i'd still need a dhcp client, which arch didn't install when i did the netinstall MutantTurkey 1) the wiki is slow as hell. 2) the website is easier and more familiar MutantTurkey Piki: yes it does dude. Piki MutantTurkey: not when i installed it MutantTurkey dhcpcd is always installed. Xu_R Piki: it does. Piki nope, i searched in /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin MutantTurkey then you fked up big time? did you select it as a package to install? there is a big list of packages to install. MutantTurkey you should have selected things like wireless_tools or whatever you use Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes, the Wiki needs a clean up - it looks like a pile of papers with no tabs ;) Piki MutantTurkey: i selected all of the net/wireless stuff MutantTurkey D: yes. MutantTurkey Piki: i dunno dude MutantTurkey Xu_R: agreed. *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey well this is my big job! :p to do all this crap MutantTurkey hey TokRa Piki and nothing for dhcp, no dhclient, no dhcpcd TokRa MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey Piki: D: weird Xu_R hey TokRa Xu_R Piki: yea, that's really weird. Xu_R o_O Xu_R anyway, I'm periodically saving the 3.5.13 draft release, feel free to refresh every once in a while *TokRa looks at Xu_R Piki if it's definitely supposed to be there, then something went wrong when it was downloading packages, and didn't check for that *Xu_R looks at TokRa Piki which i assume it does *MutantTurkey looks at the computer screen Piki Xu_R: if i have my system ready for builds in time, i'll have packages ready for 3.5.13 *Xu_R sees the computer screen shatter XD Piki dunno if you should add Ark, but it is a draft MutantTurkey if you plan on having it, then it should be there. MutantTurkey this assumes everything goes great. MutantTurkey I know arch packages will be good, david is making excellent progress Piki keyword "assumes", with my schedule, a bad word to put there MutantTurkey well tentatively dude. MutantTurkey things are bound to change. MutantTurkey also if you can't make it exactly by the release its fine, we can just add it a few weeks late Xu_R Piki: Once I see progress I will add Ark Xu_R The distributions I listed there either already have packages for Trinity or will add them in time for 3.5.13. Xu_R (and have some results already) Piki yeah, my goal isn't to have them in time for a TDE release, but to have the latest TDE released packaged in time for an Ark release Xu_R then I can't add them, Piki. Piki so it may be 3.5.13, or even 3.5.14 Piki Xu_R: obviously Xu_R anyway, I think I'll stop here right now: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Releases_3_5_13_DRAFT Piki though like i said, it is a draft, if you do add it and it's not ready, it can be removed. either way is fine MutantTurkey Xu_R: excellent MutantTurkey how old is autotools? Xu_R like REALLY REALLY old Xu_R lol Xu_R I know that KDE has used it since forever, so... MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey this is good so far though MutantTurkey are we getting new background and themes? MutantTurkey I think that is also major important MutantTurkey rebranding ya know Xu_R yes. We need a more eyecandy-ish Trinity to let them know that we're very modern now Xu_R *Trinity logo Xu_R the background and themes should also be updated to reflect that Xu_R the rest can stay the same. Piki i think we should keep the same basic default theme, just do some "modernizing" with it Piki make things a bit more 3d with some of the icons and dialogs Piki and yes, do the logo and background Xu_R Piki: I just propose a new theme - modifying the old one is a big hassle. We want it to reflect modern, not KDE4 Alpha 1. Xu_R (because that IS how KDE4 Alpha 1 started out - then they scrapped everything XD) Piki Xu_R: obviously, wasn't suggesting KDE4 or anything MutantTurkey agreed MutantTurkey sorry, I need to go study and sleep. MutantTurkey I will be on tomorrow hopefully and we can talk more about the user aspect of 3.5.13 more Piki i just like the default KDE3 theme Xu_R ok MutantTurkey MutantTurkey great :D night all Xu_R I think I might have RPM packages for you all to test too! :) Piki MutantTurkey: ok, cya Piki Xu_R: 3.5.12? or the cmake stuff? Piki i haven't gotten around to writing my specs yet :-( Xu_R Piki: what do you mean? Xu_R I have the latest SVN being packaged right now Xu_R that's what i've been babbling to kb9vqf and samelian about Piki Xu_R: i still need to write some spec files for TDE, but i only want an actual release in the AL repos, kinda makes things a bit less confusing when packaging (rather than doing "svn up" all the time and redoing packages all the time, don't have enough time anyway), and makes things look more official for the end user Piki and i don't feel like scouring the interwebs for the specs Piki kinda been in a lazy mood lately Piki with the way work's been going Xu_R if you try doing that to find specs, piki Xu_R you won't understand how to use them ;) Xu_R and I don't do svn up all the time Xu_R that's why I have services. Piki Xu_R: oh? why won't i understand them? Piki and i can't have any services running, i have to do my builds on my laptop, my desktop's hard disk pooped out, and i don't have any money Piki and i can't have my laptop overheating all the time Xu_R Piki: because - it can get compilcated. Xu_R I don't even understand most specs on first try Xu_R unless I know how the base system and their packaging works. Piki (the cats like laying on the vent) Xu_R for example, how does mandriva name their libraries? Piki dunno, never used mandriva for long enough to find out Xu_R or, where do these macros come from. Xu_R it was rhetorical. Xu_R kdelibs3: Services execution got triggered Piki i'm sure i could get the Ark specs from 3.5.10 working, it's likely just a matter of if the patches work or not Piki not sure what's changed between 3.5.10 and 3.5.12, and i'm going to need to remove the Mission Control patches until we can rewrite to tqt Xu_R Piki: think again. Piki which won't be until i have time to learn how to do the coding Piki Xu_R: hmm? Xu_R there's autotools breakage there Xu_R from 3.5.10 -> Trinity Xu_R autoconf breakage Xu_R that's why we moved to cmake Xu_R you need new configure arguments, and new filelists Piki i thought it would work with the older versions of autotools? Xu_R because - if you want Trinity and KDE4 to coexist together, you need to make them install in /opt/trinity Xu_R Piki: yea, but 2.63 and lower - most distributions are on 2.68 and 2.69 already Piki i'm not worried about moving the TDE files to /opt, i can adjust for that Piki and some distros do have older versions of autotools in their repos (with the version appended to the package name), which is what i can do until 3.5.13 Piki though that will probably be released before i get to finishing my packages anyway Piki in which case i'll have the file lists fixed for most packages Piki since the Ark specs are already done anyway, i may as well use them and adjust where needed, since they already follow the Ark packaging conventions Piki or at least use them as a guide Xu_R well, better get started now :P Piki i'm working on it, kinda hard when bero can't seem to fix the dependency mess in the repos Piki and when my schedule doesn't permit much time Piki i'm going to have to start spamming him with emails Xu_R oh. no response from him, eh? Xu_R sorry for late response, was rebooting Unity Linux VM Piki it's random at best when he responds Piki though he's still building packages Xu_R maybe he made up an auto-updater? Piki i doubt it, unless he has it set to use svn for some packages Piki and kde.org is sporting 4.6 in the banner image, but i haven't seen any kde 4.6 packages hit lately, so they're probably still alpha packages, unless somehow the bs spead up and got through all of them super fast and did a bunch of other packages Xu_R what do you mean? Xu_R oh. Piki the bs can only go so fast, and KDE is huge for the bs Piki so it would had to have been upgraded by his job (they own the hardware), which i doubt they've done recently, it always seems to be running Xu_R maybe they did. Piki if he did 4.6 Piki yeah, but to a machine that fast? i doubt it, they'd need some yet-unannounced Intel i10 with 128GB RAM and a long package queue for 4.6 to go off the front page on our identica page that quickly Piki and even when he does do kde, it's only a few packages at a time Xu_R it can happen. 1. simultaneous build jobs, 2. Intel Xeon 8 core with 16 gbs of memory can do a lot, 3. make -j4 or make-j64? Piki and the builds only come through during daylight in his timezone Piki if it's an 8 core, how would -j64 work? Xu_R -j64 can work for an 8 core... it's possible. Xu_R also, remember that there's the cgroups tweak that can also dramatically speed up performance Piki i thought that was to make it build on multiple cores, but with only 8 cores it would only work for -j8 Piki i can't remember, never heard of cgroups Xu_R Piki: you need to keep up on linux news. XD Piki kinda hard to do with how little time i have... Piki work 4 days, therapy one day, dealing with my mom everyday, and things tend to happen on the 2 days that i should have off Piki and when i do finally have some spare time, i'm so worn out i don't think of checking for any news, i'm more concerned with unwinding Piki can only take so much stress Piki pfft, ffmpeg thinks i'm not specifying a size for the video Xu_R night all *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa ^_^ *TokRa feels quite unhappy about http://u.inga.lv/kcontrol.png when launching it from within Gnome. What could be the matter? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop samelian TokRa: XDG variables are not set correctly TokRa tokra@MD10 ~ $ set|grep -i xdg TokRa XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-gnome:/etc/xdg TokRa XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/opt/kde3/share TokRa XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=2ba89f671aa7fb42d670bbb30000000b-1297728689.904-1714680936 TokRa what are the correct values & where can I set them? TokRa It's Mint 10, based on Ubuntu Maverick TokRa I have added /opt/kde3/etc/xdg to XDG_CONFIG_DIR, still the same TokRa :( *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop field_it hi field_it I had kgtk packages installed. they made iceweasel constantly crash, so I purged them again. now I keep getting this: field_it ERROR: ld.so: object '/opt/trinity/lib/kgtk/libkgtk2.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored field_it and, btw, automount of sdcards etc worked once, but stopped working shortly after installation. context menus never worked/existed. *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School samelian: you there? Piki nobody here but us hens Piki but someone might be there Xu_R|School samelian: apparently cmake does not like the check on if Qt3 is 3.3.8c or not - is there a way to diable it? Xu_R|School *disable it? Xu_R|School just start spamming Xu_R w/ an answer, so I'll get it when I get home Xu_R|School on another (good) note Xu_R|School kdelibs is done compiling Xu_R|School now to restructure kdebase :D Xu_R|School and then start testing samelian Xu_R|School: I do not understand samelian cmake checking for patched qt3 Xu_R|School sending you pastebin log Xu_R|School samelian: http://lincom.pastebin.com/sTb62rc6 Xu_R|School as you can see, qt3-3.3.8c (the patched qt3) is installed Xu_R|School and qt3-devel Xu_R|School but it doesn't detect it :-\ Xu_R|School I might have missed something, checking... samelian Xu_R|School: show me CMakeError Xu_R|School samelian: I'm not at the server atm, I can't ssh in right now. I can get it to you in like 1 hour... samelian ok Xu_R|School kb9vqf: anytime you're ready to commit to svn, i'm waiting ;) hehehehe kb9vqf XuR|School: Doing a final build test now kb9vqf I imagine you want it to compile, no? ;-) Xu_R|School of course ;) Xu_R|School ok, it's almost 1410, closing bell :D Xu_R|School bbiab Piki finally decided to grab svn and help with cmake, don't think i'm getting 3.5.12 built before 3.5.13, so may as well start with cmake and get my specs adjusted now so i don't have to worry later Piki samelian: i'm not familiar with compiling with cmake, you may have to help me when it's done ;-) samelian sure kb9vqf samelian: Please poke Xu_R when he gets back on and let him know that the fixes he needed are in SVN revision 1220927. kb9vqf Also, I think David Rankin can now compile Trinity again samelian ok kb9vqf But I'll wait for Xu_R's attempt before letting him know ;-) kb9vqf Thanks *kb9vqf thinks tbottu should be able to handle messages for people....hmmm...another project :-P Piki could be awhile, my connection is unreliable, and i'm stuck with a laptop that needs to shut down sometimes, stupid cats laying at the fan... Piki kb9vqf: see about finding a plugin that will trigger a notice or a message in the channel when it sees a certain nick join or a word/phrase appear (e.g. "Blah has joined #trinity-desktop") Piki actually, i need to do a few custom eggdrop scripts, not finding what i need (or at least what i've found doesn't seem to work) Piki need to learn tcl first Piki kb9vqf: here's an idea, not sure if you're planning to do it: have tbottu announce svn commits (revision number and comment), and allow us to query tbottu for a sepcific revision or a list of recent revisions Xu_R back Xu_R kb9vqf: you can't hide like that XD Xu_R hehe Piki Xu_R: dunno if you see it, but kb9vqf commited something for you to svn revision 1220927 Xu_R Piki: I know I know, I can read logs. Xu_R That's why I just responded to kb9vqf Piki Xu_R: first part of my message... Piki and it's hard to know what response goes to what on irc, especially with some time between responses Xu_R brb cooking snack Xu_R then I'm gonna restructure kdebase Piki kb9vqf: svn keeps cutting me off after a few minutes, had to setup a loop in a bash script to keep it going Piki with how frequent it's cutting me off, not sure if my 50 loop limit is enough, from looking on websvn there's quite a bit Piki now it's cutting off every 30 to 60 seconds *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop toxic_devil hi toxic_devil hi all Piki hi toxic_devil samelian: ты тут? toxic_devil Piki: hi Piki eh? i didn't know irc supported different fonts/ Piki ? kb9vqf Piki: That means the server is under heavy load kb9vqf I don't own that server kb9vqf It's the KDE e.V. official anonsvn server kb9vqf I'd complain at them if I were you ;-) toxic_devil kb9vqf: hi kb9vqf Hello toxic_devil kb9vqf: We did not get to trinity toxic_devil kb9vqf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9454972/trinity.tar.gz kb9vqf ? kb9vqf What is that? toxic_devil kb9vqf: download it Piki kb9vqf: yeah, i knew it was theirs, was just wandering if perhaps something was being commited that could be interfering, or if maybe each branch had it's own settings and trinity may have gotten messed up somehow kb9vqf I don't download strange files without knowing what's in them kb9vqf Sorry kb9vqf I don't think so Piki yep, good safety practices Piki even in linux kb9vqf It's just a large update toxic_devil мда Piki don't compile or run something unless you know ahead of time what it is toxic_devil assembly instructions you do not have normal Piki kb9vqf: i haven't d/led svn, so a large update shouldn't be the problem, just that it should not keep cutting off that frequently. i'll email them if it doesn't fix, heading out soon kb9vqf OK kb9vqf toxic_devil: I don't understand kb9vqf What's in the file? toxic_devil kb9vqf: download fear. they ask do not understand toxic_devil kb9vqf: Virus under Linux, all night writing toxic_devil :-D Piki toxic_devil: are you set to auto-send files when your avatar changes? rather annoying when i get unexpected dcc requests, i only accept stuff when i know what it is and know to expect it Piki toxic_devil: well, we do not want viruses kb9vqf Well I downloaded the file into a nobody account kb9vqf It's just ebuild files kb9vqf :) kb9vqf A simple explaination would have saved me a few minutes of hassle :-P Piki kb9vqf: me too, looks like a bunch of source files Piki may want to look the files over before letting them loose kb9vqf Great minds think alike? :-) kb9vqf .ebuild kb9vqf Yeah, I'm not doing anything with them myself kb9vqf I was just curious what was in the file Xu_R back kb9vqf Gotta love the DDoS attack going on against freenode kb9vqf Lag: 4s kb9vqf :( Piki kb9vqf: agreed, even in linux i like to know what i'm downloading before downloading ;-) make sure i'm not about to install or compile a virus Xu_R kb9vqf: only trolls would do a DDoS attack, lol kb9vqf It also keeps me out of USA DCMA trouble :) kb9vqf err....DMCA kb9vqf Agreed kb9vqf "[Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone. You will have possibly noticed some instability on the network earlier this evening. The network is under a sustained DDoS and so lag and possible further splits are to be expected. We apologise for the inconvenience - our fantastic sponsorship and infra teams are working to minimise the further impact. Have a nice evening!" kb9vqf That explains the netsplits Xu_R LOL Piki kb9vqf: heh, saw the notice a minut ago, i hate DDoS attacks, especially when i'm the one dealing with them ;-) Piki DMCA? kb9vqf Yup kb9vqf I think we're having a somewhat asynchronous conversation ATM toxic_devil мда когда ж вы по русски говорить начнете хоть чуть чуть Xu_R kb9vqf: did you see this? We decided why not get started on what to expect for 3.5.13 Xu_R http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Releases_3_5_13_DRAFT Piki kb9vqf: what's the DMCA? kb9vqf Piki: Digital Millenium Copyright Act Xu_R woah Xu_R laggg Xu_R lolo kb9vqf Piki: It's something that can send US citizens to jail if someone even smells a copyright violation Xu_R kb9vqf: also, try looking at this: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TestsuiteAndChecklist kb9vqf e.g. downloading copyrighted files kb9vqf Or cracking programs kb9vqf etc. toxic_devil kb9vqf: kb9vqf: there is only a basic system working kb9vqf Xu_R: Hey, that looks good! toxic_devil kb9vqf: you do not have good instructions as software to collect, we have problems with tqt kb9vqf toxic_devil: I know Piki kb9vqf: a lot of people should be going to jail then ;-) just search the torrent sites (pirate bay, btmon, etc) toxic_devil many many problem of tqt kb9vqf My time is spent fixing bugs and upgrading the software, not writing documentation Xu_R kb9vqf: hm, which one? The DRAFT or the Checklist? *kb9vqf REALLY REALLY HATES THE LAG *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Piki: Yes kb9vqf I wish they would MutantTurkey o/ toxic_devil kb9vqf: And that's what we do? kb9vqf Maybe then copyright holders would ease up a bit Piki kb9vqf: i can do some .txt file documentation for compiling with cmake then copy them to the wiki later when i'm done Xu_R MutantTurkey: BEWARE, LAG Xu_R DDoS attack *kb9vqf is about ready to just come back later Piki or just put them directly on the wiki, if we have docs on foswiki syntax Xu_R kb9vqf: which one did you say looked good? DRAFT, Checklist, or both? kb9vqf I can't keep all these asynchronous conversations straight :-P Xu_R Piki: that's in the System Web. look there kb9vqf Xu_R: DRAFT Xu_R oh. Awesome :D Piki will go slow though, not much time Piki MutantTurkey: freenode under ddos attack kb9vqf Xu_R: Checklist also looks goo kb9vqf *good MutantTurkey D: what? Xu_R kb9vqf: okees Xu_R MutantTurkey: DDoS attack - Freenode lag Piki lol Xu_R and net slpits Xu_R *splits MutantTurkey just our node or every node in the network? and what jerkoffs would do that. Piki anyway, need to go, bank closing soon Piki laterz Xu_R every node MutantTurkey :[ Xu_R yes Xu_R MutantTurkey: bright side - kb9vqf fixed the stuff in SVN :D *kb9vqf calls it quits for now kb9vqf Too much lag :(( Xu_R kb9vqf: I know an IRC network that's not under attack, wanna temporarily go there? MutantTurkey what network si that? Xu_R too late. Xu_R MutantTurkey: Geekshet Xu_R *Geekshed *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-15T20:22:31Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *toxic_devil has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey Xu_R: do you have Jabber? tbottu WARNING: Due to the DDoS attack on Freenode I cannot log this channel with 100% accuracy. There will be gaps in the IRC logs. toxic_devil TokRa: toxic_devil TokRa: ты тут *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes, you can jabber me at robxu9@gmail.com MutantTurkey greate Xu_R same_: DDoS attack - Freenode lag + netsplits. toxic_devil IRC garbage, use jabber Piki-Away we should have our own jabber.org chat room, since gtalk/gmail can connect to it that shouldn't be too much trouble connecting once it's setup MutantTurkey why don't we make one then? MutantTurkey i prefer IRC tbh though Piki-Away dunno, that's kb9vqf's decision Xu_R is this lagging still? MutantTurkey hmmm MutantTurkey i don't think so Piki-Away i only prefer irc since more people seem to use it, and we have webinterfaces other than gmail MutantTurkey exactly Piki-Away otherwise, i've no preference Piki-Away anyway, about to head out, just got out of shower MutantTurkey cya later *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R_ there's the netsplit *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R hm, lag now? Xu_R there is netsplitting going on all over right now Xu_R sent at 1639 MutantTurkey more netsplits? *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey dumb DDoS :[ *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv tries to think of something that says 'user configurable' in the same vein as Mr Potato Head that isn't someone else's IP MutantTurkey ? *ZZRX has joined #trinity-desktop ZZRX Hi, lookslike that trinitys keyserver is offline, hope so someone is going to fix it *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop samelian ZZRX: tell kb9vqf kb9vqf ZZRX: It's known. See Bug 439 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=439 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSI, http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/ does not respond MutantTurkey D: stop leaving tim! D: Strangelv MutantTurkey: I'm still wracking my brain over the mascot/icon aspect. I'm leaning towards figuring out the mascot first MutantTurkey Strangelv: alright, any ideas? MutantTurkey also i finally implemented a simple News system for the new website! :D Strangelv "Something that says that this is the ultimate in available solutions for personalizable desktop so/lutions MutantTurkey each file in the news/ dir (contains the information for the posting) is parsed onto the news page, very simple and keeps it DB free. http://96.245.17.6/news.php MutantTurkey Strangelv: do you believe that? Strangelv Yes. If there's better I don't know of one MutantTurkey good stuff MutantTurkey http://www.phillygameday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/rockies_mascot-291x300.jpg? MutantTurkey good mascot MutantTurkey but we do need to think of one definitely. MutantTurkey publicity is half the work. for example, i associate the fox with firefox, the mouse with xfce. the foot with gnome. so we need trinity to be something. MutantTurkey what about a Trident for a logo? Strangelv Something similar to Mr Potato HEad that isn't Mr Potato head might be what we want. I don't know what that is exactly at this point, though. ZZRX New webpage look very nice *Strangelv tries to trick out his trident for his own eccentric purposes MutantTurkey ZZRX: thank you MutantTurkey Mr potato head, but no mr potato head? MutantTurkey mrs potato head? Piki perhaps a trident-like object that with a head that can changed and customized? MutantTurkey hmmm? Piki with the different accesseries surrounding it? MutantTurkey by Trident i mean, a three pronged spear thing, that the god Posiden carried MutantTurkey we all mean that right? *Strangelv tries to visiualize an eccentric Poseidon. MutantTurkey the current logo is acceptable though. it is familiar but different. MutantTurkey people will instantly associate it with the KDE3.5 they know and love MutantTurkey but, it is a bit to much like the current kde logo also D: Strangelv The T Gear Logo is just fine for transitional. We don't replace it publicly until we're good and ready with a replacement, and that could take quite some time MutantTurkey exactly. MutantTurkey i think the 3.5.13 release is when we should have it. Piki MutantTurkey: i'm thinking of a long handle with the multi-pointed head that people tend to associate with water-type roylaty (spelling?) and divinity Strangelv 3.5.13 is likely to be out the door before I believe we'll be ready with a replacement icon and/or mascot MutantTurkey royalty MutantTurkey Strangelv: maybe so. MutantTurkey I do think we should make an attempt to rebrand as much as possible for the next release. wouldn't you agree? Piki except that we replace the head with something that'll signify customizability *Strangelv wants to take enough time to do a better than merely serviceable job MutantTurkey some theme--modernization, some new backgrounds, etc. Piki we can do all this theme/rebranding stuff over several releases MutantTurkey Strangelv: we have a few months, and if we don't feel it is ready, then it is best to not do it. I'm sure many people have ideas so we should definitely talk about it more. MutantTurkey Piki: exactly. Strangelv Theme modernization is something I'm wvanting to work on, but I'm not the best person to hunt down where everything I want to replace is located Piki we need to concentrate mainly on a stable release MutantTurkey obviously MutantTurkey stable is expected, new features are extra. Strangelv ::: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Artwork/ArtworkFiles MutantTurkey Strangelv: thanks for the link Strangelv "This is where I've been trying to document what I need to know to get started MutantTurkey the problem is that KDE is so huge D: i mean they have like weekly batch commits that are always bug fixers and features. Strangelv How modular is the code? HOw well documented are the pieces? MutantTurkey no idea. Strangelv One important reason to improve our brand identity is to recruit more developers MutantTurkey indeed *ZZRX has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey I am planning on helping out soon enough, I will need to learn C++ but i am fluent in C so i don't know how hard the transition will be, surely i can close some of those PaperCut bugs Strangelv I went about learning C++ the wrong way. I presently have a first edition K&R on order (heavily used but cheap -- hard part was finding where it's carefulyl hidden on Amazon) MutantTurkey Unfortunately i haven't taken any formal training with any sort of computers. MutantTurkey all self taught, but I was thinking about changing my major to Computer Sciences. Strangelv "if i start again learning old school C, where the language is small, compact, and easy to elarn in its entirely, I should have a better foundatio,n even if it means I go on to write C++ that's not really C++ MutantTurkey I just don't really feel like learning Java and C# like they try and force it on you. *Strangelv ran away screaming from Java. He had a complex class structure that needed multiple inheritance to work. It became a heavily duplicated inconistent mess with Java MutantTurkey i hate java. MutantTurkey it is bloated crappy and pathetic Strangelv "I hadn't yet given up on high precision float,s which given Javas lack of operators outside of a couple of built in types also meant doing involved argebra using functions instead of operators MutantTurkey it is all that i stand against in modern computers. Strangelv If it was less inflexibel, I might have embraced it MutantTurkey I can't stand it. Strangelv I was doing my best to be open-minded about it. I should have given up earlier MutantTurkey they say it writes "platform independant code" but honestly. there are only 3 platforms, and mac and linux are very similar. Strangelv In the end I gave up on higher than double precision numbers and moved to Python, where the complexity of my undertaking is what caused work on it to halt MutantTurkey it is much better to write in C/C++ for 3 platforms than use java MutantTurkey i don't like python either though. I don't like any overhead on my languages. Strangelv Then we'd be more complimentary than collaborative. The onyl two languages I've done anything with in the past few yers has been Python and Javascript MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey I understand why to use Python and Javascript though. Strangelv "if my health were wore reliable I'd have something out the door using one of thos etwo MutantTurkey Java i just can't seem to comprehend the big question: why bother? Strangelv "With Java crashing and burning, especially on the meb, Javascript wins by default in that environment, where we have probabyl teh single biggest cross-platform environment of all time MutantTurkey basically Strangelv "any serious browser within the past decade can run a JScript/LiveScript/JavaScript standard on any serious platform. Irix? RiscOS? A teleptone? MutantTurkey who uses Irix? who uses RiscOS? Strangelv "They're workstation OSs that are used in some proprietary environments. Irix is admittedly depreciated Strangelv Irix was SGI MutantTurkey ah Strangelv RiscOS was/is used by several companies Strangelv "Then there's BeOS/Haiku users. People running these systems are NOT going to be low end irrelevent end users Strangelv "Buth low end irrelevant end us-ers also benefit. Install Firefox 2 on your Windows 98 machien and have at it Strangelv "or even Firefox 1.5 Strangelv "or 1.0 MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey thank god i use linux. Strangelv XP's EULA I couldn't agree with meant I lacked an upgrlade parth after Windows 2000. Id been trying to learn Linux since 1997. I finally was using it almost exclusizely by 2005 MutantTurkey I stopped using windows in like, hold on let me think...2007? but i just went cold turkey. no more windows MutantTurkey just linux Strangelv I was quite far from cold turkey. I didn't transition the notebook I did almost everything onat that time until I realized that everything I was running was either cross platform or easily replaced with an equivalent Strangelv It took a long time for me to arrive at that point MutantTurkey yeah alot of people are like that Strangelv Our customizability is something that can help. If one's environment is largeyl familiar, there's less risk of panicking. Note that panic is not a decision. It's your low end brain functions deciding that your upper brain functions can't handle the situation MutantTurkey right oh MutantTurkey I'm looking at all these bugs. I thikni could close alot of them. Many of them are just package requests and simple things i could help with i think. *Strangelv had teh same wallpaper, the same sounds, and picked a very nice looking combination of widgets and window decorations that are structurally 9x to the hilt, just nicer looking that he still uses today Strangelv "Yes, we need to clear out the low hanging frout MutantTurkey agreed. MutantTurkey bug squashing day! MutantTurkey that would be excellent. I've done a few for some other projects and we got alot done MutantTurkey because you end up neglecting easy stuff by focusing in on important problems Strangelv Betwene my level of overcommitment and other limitations, I'm not expecting to help with packaging or coding or things that would require me to learn too much that's new. I have too much to learn already. Art is something I can do more easily, if only I knew where teh art was to be found and how the configuration files I needed to use worked MutantTurkey yeah the whole art thing is a bit complicated. *Strangelv uses Keramik for a style and Plastik window decorations Strangelv Art can't change until we have a handle on it. Are Tim and I the only peolp who can make changes to the artwork section? MutantTurkey to the svn? Strangelv "the wiki MutantTurkey Oh no idea Strangelv "especially teh page i pointed out earlier MutantTurkey yeah possibly. MutantTurkey how much would we need to change artwork wise? new themes don't seem to be terribly complicated to make. or is something broken that needs fixing? Strangelv It would be very helpful if other people added some information there. Strangelv We need to know how to make them Strangelv "How complicated? I don't know -- and I need to know Strangelv "And especially precisely what those complications are MutantTurkey isn't there any kde3.5 documentation that would explain how? Strangelv I'm thinking mascot -- logo -- new color scheme MutantTurkey and small theme changes, to make it look up to-date Strangelv I saw a link to one teh other day but failed to bookmark it Strangelv "It's one we need to mirror before teh KDE people delete it MutantTurkey but still definitely similar to previously. MutantTurkey DL yes defintely MutantTurkey hmmm I'lll look aorund Strangelv The right balance between continuity and new branding is something we need to figuer out. I believe we'll have a better idea once we've figured out a mascot and/or icon that is truly descriptive of TDE MutantTurkey yeah Strangelv Thus my brainstorm point of Mr Potato head. We can't use it, but it's a very good exabmple of teh sort of thing I'm looking for MutantTurkey theme wise, it just needs to be cleaned up a tiny bit, mostly stuff that isn't obvious but makes a difference, but people should still think "wow this looks like good old kde, but even nicer" MutantTurkey OH I FINALLY UNDERSTAND. Strangelv Doesn't need to be a toy or even particularly playful MutantTurkey potato head has changeable parts MutantTurkey do'h Strangelv Yes Strangelv User puts on ansd arranges teh parts to suit that user's needs Strangelv It's teh user's call, not ours MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey that goes nicely with the ArchLinux philosophy Strangelv We're not here to ram any solution down the user's throat at all. Disgust with the evry concept is likely the reason we're here MutantTurkey one thing we want to do is avoid over loading the ram MutantTurkey Strangelv: I can't seem to find any examples of how to create a kde3.5 based theme D: its all dissapeared Strangelv WE may already need to make heavy use of archive.org MutantTurkey indeed *Strangelv stil finds it insane that the people continuing on the long history and tradition are teh fork while the people doing something completely different that just uses some of the code are the offical main progression MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey they are making alot of progress MutantTurkey anyway I am quite tired. I have gotten much accomplished today so i think i will go relax. MutantTurkey Strangelv: good night, and keep thinking of that mascot *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 i am trying to download trinity kde maverick and when i go to http://ppa2.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/redirect.php?file=cdimages/kubuntu/maverick/kubuntu-10.10-trinity-desktop-amd64.iso it gives me a problem loading page error message cpatrick08 i tried it on firefox and chromium daily Piki cpatrick08: it looks like the whole quickbuild.personcomputing.net server is down. we'll have to wait for kb9vqf (Tim) to check it out Piki dunno where he is, he's normally on around now cpatrick08 ok so do you have a timetable on how much long till it will be fixed or not Piki no cpatrick08 ok thanks Piki i didn't know it was down, and he didn't mention it cpatrick08 ok Piki but you can always install one of the ubuntu/debian versions listed on the front page at trinity.pearsoncomputing.net and install from the third-party repository (considering that repository isn't the quickbuild server that you're trying to download from, i don't use ubuntu or debian( cpatrick08 ok Piki looks like the debian one uses a regular mirror, that should work if you want to try it cpatrick08 oh ok Piki looks like the ubuntu version uses the quickbuild, so you're better off trying debian until kb9vqf comes on to fix it cpatrick08 ok thanks so much for your help Piki i'll make sure to tell him when he's here if i'm still on, if not i'll email the mailing list Piki actually, i'll send the email now in case i forget cpatrick08 thank you so much Piki alright, sorry that happened, again i didn't realize it was down, i never use it, but the email is sent to the trinity-devel mailing list, and i'll make sure Tim gets the message if i'm still here when he comes on Piki he checks the mailing list, though, so he'll get the message either way cpatrick08 ok *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Piki: I've been avoiding IRC during the DDoS attack kb9vqf It just got too frustrating kb9vqf Piki: QuickBuild is down along with the mirrors until around Friday or so kb9vqf See Bug 439 for the details tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=439 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSI, http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/ does not respond kb9vqf cpatrick08: See above :) cpatrick08 ok thanks kb9vqf Sorry for the inconvenience kb9vqf Donations are running a bit low lately so I didn't have the funds to overnight the replacement parts cpatrick08 that is ok thanks for the quick relpy cpatrick08 reply* kb9vqf No problem :) Piki ah Piki didn't know that kb9vqf It went down over the weekend kb9vqf Network equipment is hard to come by in my area :( Piki i haven't used quickbuild kb9vqf It's for Debian/Ubuntu kb9vqf Which is probably why you haven't Piki kb9vqf: the router/modem, or for the server itself? kb9vqf The connection between the two Piki ethernet? kb9vqf fiber Piki hmm Piki not at the local best buy? kb9vqf You must be joking :-P kb9vqf Fiber optic equipment is available on the two coasts and in Texas Piki nope Piki not joking Piki best buy always seems to have everything kb9vqf My local Best Buy has almost nothing Piki except linux kb9vqf And they want 4x the online retail price for any computer parts they *do* carry Piki one of the largest computer chains, with nothing? kb9vqf Well, if you want outdated parts then yes I guess one can go there :-P kb9vqf Maybe Best Buy is different by you Piki everything is outdated kb9vqf It's horrid here Piki before they even ship it out kb9vqf Hehe Piki i'm sure the Intel i7 is outdated kb9vqf OK, try finding a gigabit pci-express network card on the shelf in Best Buy kb9vqf You can't Piki i don't use gigabit or pci-express kb9vqf Well that's why :) kb9vqf My equipment is high performance kb9vqf High cost Piki i haven't even looked kb9vqf Hard to find stuff kb9vqf :( kb9vqf Anyway... kb9vqf Parts are in the mail Piki kb9vqf: i'm sure anything at best buy is better than walmart, i've had five sandisk flash drives from the local walmart die within two months each, as opposed to the same make/model from best buy kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf I know Xu_R|Away kb9vqf: thanks for the batch commit - although the first time I checked out, it broke kdelibs for some reason, then it succeeded xD kb9vqf I have had a theory for a while that Walmart only sells B-grade products Piki the one from best buy was goin on 6 months before it ended up in the washer with my pants kb9vqf Xu_R|Away: So it works now? cpatrick08 @piki which distro do you run trinity kde 3 in Xu_R|Away yup :D kb9vqf How is Freenode by the way? kb9vqf Better? Xu_R|Away much better Xu_R|Away no lag Piki cpatrick08: none, i have to build it first Piki i use Ark Linux, only one to work for any hardware for me cpatrick08 oh ok Xu_R|Away kb9vqf: also, courtesy of MutantTurkey, we thought of this: http://96.245.17.6/ Xu_R|Away the Latest News - managed with simple text files. kb9vqf That's not half bad :D Xu_R|Away nope :D kb9vqf Much better than the old site! Piki kb9vqf: i've heard walmart buys out the refurbs and rejects Xu_R|Away aye. Xu_R|Away brb in a few kb9vqf Piki: Woudn't surprise me kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Hmm...the screenshots page is broken kb9vqf Xu_R: ^^^^^ kb9vqf I get a 404 kb9vqf Otherwise it looks good *kb9vqf wants to put it into production soon cpatrick08 i was wondering what the difference in the enterprise and desktop editions for ubuntu were other than one being mainly for businesses Piki cpatrick08: actually, i'm going to package TDE for Ark, we're going to do both a TDE and KDE4 release, i just need to get things setup for building, help test TDE 3.5.13, and then make the packages for 3.5.13 when it goes stable kb9vqf cpatrick08: They only differ in installed software and default desktop theme kb9vqf The Enterprise version has a less clunky default UI kb9vqf More like Windows 2000 cpatrick08 oh ok Piki i've never got any *buntu to work properly kb9vqf It also has a ton more software kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Hence the DVD Piki i've more luck with plain debian, and even that doesn't seem to like my hardware kb9vqf Huh kb9vqf What's your hardware again? kb9vqf The Atom board? Piki no kb9vqf Oh sorry Piki it's a pentium dual core kb9vqf Thinking of someone else there Piki i don't think i've mentioned it here Piki i can pastebin my lspci *kb9vqf probably can't do anything about it kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf Ubuntu does what they will with the core system, regardless of what they break Piki kb9vqf: not even the ubuntu irc could do anything Piki they seemed completely confused as to why their system was assigning the proprietary ati driver to a 7500 ati model on a 2003 laptop when it should be the open source driver kb9vqf Oh ATI kb9vqf I have such bad associations Piki this machine doesn't have an ati Piki it's an intel kb9vqf ?!?!? Piki and the GUI is still very laggy kb9vqf I have an Intel based Lenovo kb9vqf Works great out of the box kb9vqf :-/ Piki yeah, and so should this one, right now on Ark devel, it works perfectly, but on Kubuntu using kde4, it lags badly Piki and that's kubuntu stable kb9vqf Well KDE4 is just that way I suppose ;-) Piki yeah, but i'm on kde4 kb9vqf On Arch Piki it is lagging some, but not nearly as bad as kubuntu Piki Ark Piki with a K kb9vqf Ark kb9vqf Sorry kb9vqf I don't know why I keep thinking Arch Piki i couldn't get my arch network working Piki in fact, the only thing that should give me any trouble is the Broadcom wireless, and it's been supported with the b43 driver (i think) as of kernel 2.6.31 (either that, or .32) Piki all i need to do is drop in the firmware as per the instructions on the linux wireless page, reload the b43 module, and i've got wireless kb9vqf Yeah, Broadcom is pretty well supported these days kb9vqf If I want wireless I buy either Intel or Broadcom Piki i've always had trouble with broadcom Piki http://arklinux.pastebin.com/QbHkrJAJ <-- my lspci cpatrick08 i am using intel pro/wireless3945abg wireless Piki the only other one i've had is a ralink-based linksys, it worked fine between 2.6.20 and 2.6.29, but as of 2.6.30 it started having trouble kb9vqf Huh kb9vqf The only time I had problems with Broadcom was several years ago Piki and i don't think it supports using AES on WPA anyway Piki every broadcom has given me trouble, this is the one that has worked the best Piki in fact, i have one that i was never able to get working any which way i pushed it, it was some sort of wireless-n card Piki couldn't even get it working with just G kb9vqf Wireless N doesn't work well under Linux at all kb9vqf :-P Piki i think it was a a/g/n card Piki well, i don't think there will be much effort in wireless-n until they finalize it (they hadn't last i checked) Piki brb, need to plug in laptop kb9vqf I need to go; mine's almost out of battery anyway kb9vqf Gotta get some things wrapped up kb9vqf Just checked in to straighten out the QuickBuild confusion :) Piki right, i'll see about cmake testing tonight (hopefully) Piki currently scouring the internet to make my vbox work *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop Piki kb9vqf: can't get enough of us? cpatrick08 lol Xu_R|Away kb9vqf: oh, we need more generic screenshots :P kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf Just firing up my other client kb9vqf IRC is still under attack BTW kb9vqf I have a lag of 2s kb9vqf And it took forever to connect Xu_R 2s isn't that bad as before :P Piki i normally have about 2-4s when first connecting Piki then it settles down and goes into the ms Xu_R kb9vqf: well, I think they're starting to give up Piki kb9vqf: i'm going to hopefully start cmake testing tonight Xu_R same - oh, he's no longer here. gah. Xu_R I have a CmakeLog for him. Piki Xu_R: he's here, he's not op Piki 'ed Xu_R bim ge;s bit gere, Xu_R *no, he's not here Piki then it's just his nick Xu_R he's not here, Piki. Piki you said that Piki i am observing that his nick is in the nicklist *Piki wanders why people always get uptight about stupid stuff *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey Xu_R MutantTurkey: already told him :) and he was wondering about the screenshots page MutantTurkey oh wonderful. Xu_R otherwise, he's going to use your site Xu_R :D Xu_R hehe MutantTurkey did i explain the simple news system? MutantTurkey screenshots doesn't exist yet. MutantTurkey I need screenshots in order to do that D: MutantTurkey I think i will request them on the mailing list. cpatrick08 how could we get screenshots to you MutantTurkey then use a simple php script for a slideshow MutantTurkey cpatrick08: hmmmm. that is a good question, obviously attachements aren't for the mailing list. Xu_R MutantTurkey: you = awesome like kb9vqf and samelian MutantTurkey cpatrick08: any ideas? MutantTurkey Xu_R: :D cpatrick08 you could make a email for the screenshots and put it on the website and in the mailing list Piki MutantTurkey: maybe you can make an upload page on your test site that will only accept images? MutantTurkey cpatrick08: ah, for example screenshots@pearsoncomputing.net or whatever, and ask for submissions? cpatrick08 yes something like that MutantTurkey I've directed all other inquiries to the ML MutantTurkey cpatrick08: alright, I will ask tim whenever he comes around. shouldn't be trouble to setup Xu_R ping kb9vqf, I need to ask you one question before you truly leave for the night Xu_R kb9vqf: can you make heads or tails of this -lqt-mt, since samelian isn't here: http://lincom.pastebin.com/bsqLuLXK (CMakeError.log) Piki i thought he wasn't here? Xu_R Piki: if he checks later, he'll get it. I guess... MutantTurkey Xu_R: let me try Xu_R or, I can wait two hours and then it'll be 6am at samelian's place ;) MutantTurkey well the problem is that it cannot find the qt-mt library Xu_R MutantTurkey: Yes, I know MutantTurkey is that qt-multi thread? Xu_R the problem is that I specified a path for it... MutantTurkey D: Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes Xu_R aye. samelian's been trying to debug it, since it used to work before on openSUSE MutantTurkey no you need to specify the path to the includes also i think MutantTurkey or sorry no you don't Xu_R nope. Xu_R hmm... MutantTurkey well, the way to debug is this: what changed? MutantTurkey whatever changed broke it. thats the problem. MutantTurkey that is always how i approach my problems MutantTurkey look through your commits. Xu_R I know what changed... Xu_R but I can't understand how it broke it... MutantTurkey what changed? Xu_R we patched qt3 - SuSE accepted my submit request and imported the patched qt3, which this is using Xu_R but cmake can't do stuff with it, apparently? >_< Xu_R hmm.... MutantTurkey odd Xu_R yea Xu_R what's even weirder is I'm looking at libqt-mt.so right now MutantTurkey D: that is quite strange MutantTurkey I know you are busy, would you mind just doing a quick check through of the website? It's fine if you can't, but another set of eyes always helps sort things out Xu_R MutantTurkey: np Xu_R *top bar changes... again ;)* MutantTurkey it did? or what are we needing to change? Xu_R no, it said news at the top before. Xu_R then the news at the top disappeared Xu_R when I refreshed, lol cpatrick08 isn't debian lenny oldstable since squeeze was releases on the 6th MutantTurkey you think news should be in the top? Xu_R MutantTurkey: red flag, you don't have a download source tarballs link Xu_R MutantTurkey: nah, tis fine where it is :) MutantTurkey cpatrick08: good thinking chief cpatrick08 np Piki i think stable and oldstable might be refering to tde, not to debian or ubuntu Piki may be a good idea to check with kb9vqf though Xu_R Piki: no, to debian and ubuntu cpatrick08 well ubuntu lucid is oldstable on the website cpatrick08 so it is ubuntu and debian MutantTurkey I am lost now. Xu_R aye, but I see why Piki might have thought Xu_R because if you notice, the versions increment as well... MutantTurkey you've confused me. Xu_R MutantTurkey: actually, never mind, I go with Piki. Don't change it. Xu_R STABLE refers to 3.5.12 MutantTurkey yes, just saw that. cpatrick08 oh ok MutantTurkey the markup is awful though D: i don't think it should define colors in COLOR="COLOR" anymore. Xu_R lol Piki MutantTurkey: for those of us who don't know color codes... ;-) MutantTurkey if you click on the installation instructions for slackware for example, it skips down to the slackware section of the install page :) MutantTurkey Piki: no, i ment it should be in css supposedly cpatrick08 shouldn't you put a link to the automatically nightly builds for ubuntu Piki ah Piki MutantTurkey: i haven't done css cpatrick08 or kubuntu in this case Xu_R MutantTurkey: Get ready, because you should get ready to add Fedora, openSUSE, and Mandriva support ;) MutantTurkey right. MutantTurkey I will be creating a new table of course MutantTurkey actually a new page entirely i think, for supported distros Piki and Ark, within a couple weeks after 3.5.13, i'm going to start making my specs soon, whenver i figure out cmake MutantTurkey how is cmake moving along? is samelian making progress? Piki we need someone to start work on a wiki page on compiling with cmake Xu_R MutantTurkey: definitely MutantTurkey good good. Xu_R You can find all the progress at thel.ro MutantTurkey Piki: yes there is a page i think MutantTurkey or we were talking of making one before Piki i saw some pages on converting to cmake Xu_R hmm... MutantTurkey yes samelian was making some Piki didn't really examine them to see if they have compile info, though MutantTurkey i think that was just notes MutantTurkey the wiki is slow for sure though :( Piki yeah, i do better with step-by-step instructions MutantTurkey Piki: same here. Xu_R whoohoo! fixed my cmake problem... Xu_R now to rebuild half my packages for opensuse... XD MutantTurkey :) excellent Xu_R now to deal with the two biggest pains of KDE3 Xu_R or rather, KDE in general Xu_R 1. KDEBASE Xu_R 2. KDEPIM MutantTurkey kdepim is what? Xu_R personal information management MutantTurkey ah sorry. Piki kontact and related stuff ;-) Piki lol Piki delayed response Piki attention divided three ways Xu_R wait a minute Xu_R GAHHHH Xu_R I fail Xu_R AGAIN MutantTurkey pastebin Xu_R no need MutantTurkey ? Xu_R apparently, I fail at recalling the difference between lib and lib64 -_- MutantTurkey -_- *ubuntu_ has joined #trinity-desktop Piki 32bit v 64bit ;-) MutantTurkey alright, I'm going to (actually) go to bed. if tim shows back up just let him know I'm pretty much ready with the site, just need him to tell me any last comments etc. Xu_R ok MutantTurkey. night :) cpatrick08 good night MutantTurkey Piki cya MutantTurkey MutantTurkey night all. Piki hopefully he stays away from that radioactive sation tonight Xu_R gah, I can't believe I made that mistake.... damnit! Xu_R wow.... opensuse's rpmlint reports really go through the spec file with a fine tooth comb Xu_R they catch everything that fedora's and mandriva's spec files don't. Xu_R *rpmbuilds don't kb9vqf Xu_R: OK, I see I was needed tonight :-P kb9vqf Oh well kb9vqf I spent too long today getting that batch commit ready kb9vqf So I don't have much time for IRC tonight Piki lol, maybe i can store my own RPMs on an SDHC hard on my wii and set it up as an ftp server on my machine, and setup a dyndns or noip account for it? could allow the Arkies to test my rpms before i submit them to bero lol kb9vqf Piki: I can host them for you if you want kb9vqf On the mirrors kb9vqf Same as Slackware :) Piki kb9vqf: we'll be including them in the main Ark repos, i just want to make sure they actually *work* before submitting them, i'm not familiar with cmake and i've only done a few rpms kb9vqf Piki: Right kb9vqf I just meant temporarily kb9vqf Unless you like serving them from your Wii ;-) Piki kb9vqf: it'd be better if i didn't, cause then i wouldn't be able to play my games or watch youtube on the tv, but i don't want to put the extra burden on your servers ;-) Piki we don't have a lot of testers, so most of the burden would be uploading corrected packages kb9vqf Piki: I don't mind, as long as you can wait until next week when the mirroring system is back online Piki which will probably happen a lot due to my inexperience kb9vqf I'll set up an rsync drop box or something for you Piki kb9vqf: my packages probably won't even be ready ;-) kb9vqf OK Piki i still need to figure out cmake first *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R lol kb9vqf Xu_R kb9vqf: MutantTurkey will finish the screenshots page soon kb9vqf Xu_R: Sounds goo kb9vqf *good Xu_R and then you can make it your new website :D kb9vqf Even better :) Xu_R wheee lol Xu_R I'm fighting with SuSE's rpmlint right now kb9vqf I would send screenshots but I usually have proprietary stuff up on the screen :-/ Xu_R it's collecting the lint from the dryer lol kb9vqf Heh Xu_R kb9vqf: well, so do I lol. :-\ cpatrick08 is there a way to download the debian iso's or is the only way to get trinity kde 3 on debian to add the lines to the /etc/apt/sources.list file Xu_R MutantTurkey wanted a screenshot of 3.5.12 - i just realized I accidentally put Wuala on there -__-" Piki anybody wuala? Piki *wuala? Xu_R whoo! testing the new mageia iso Xu_R wow, the graphics do look like they were made on kpaint (as bad as mspaint, LOL) Xu_R half of them are nice and professional, the others... well, like a 2 year old did it cpatrick08 is there a way to download the debian iso's or is the only way to get trinity kde 3 on debian to add the lines to the /etc/apt/sources.list file Xu_R cpatrick08: only by adding the lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file cpatrick08 ok thanks Piki cpatrick08: btw, as of 3.5.11, it's no longer KDE, it's TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) Piki just anFYI cpatrick08 true cpatrick08 ok Piki oh nice, wii-linux finally supports x11 Piki *evil grin* *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa samelian :) TokRa The XDG vars issue worked fine, thank you samelian welcome *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *xi_ has joined #trinity-desktop xi_ i cannot connect to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net. Is the server down? TokRa try mirror.trinity.lv or mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity instead xi_ can I add them to my sources.list? TokRa yes, sure *TokRa provides mirror.trinity.lv, located in Latvia (EU) TokRa At my Ubuntu Maverick based system this looks like: TokRa deb http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity/ubuntu maverick main TokRa deb-src http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity/ubuntu maverick main TokRa deb http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu maverick main *TokRa syncronizes her mirrors every 24h directly with pearsoncomputing.net to keep the content up to date *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *TokRa squeezes Piki TokRa :) *Piki runs away screaming manically *hallvor has joined #trinity-desktop Piki i've got my computer doing a very scary thing right now... defragmenting it's linux hard disk from a linux live cd TokRa :) Piki wasn't even close to being done after 30 mins Piki and not home to check it hallvor Anyone else having problems reaching the (debian) squeeze repository? I have been unable to reach it for several days now. TokRa try mirror.trinity.lv or mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity instead hallvor ok.. will try Piki hallvor: currently the primary mirror is down until a new part gets to kb9vqf, so the mirrors may have some problems *TokRa provides mirror.trinity.lv, located in Latvia (EU), syncing it every 24h with the main server hallvor Nice, I am in Europe, so that should be a little better Piki actually, my defrag is a bash script that sorts based on directory depth, directory size, and file size Piki i may modify it at some point to check access times TokRa Piki, what is the filesystem in question? Piki TokRa: jfs, it has a defrag, but it's been reported not to work in linux TokRa Actually, I never thought any Linux fs needs a defragmentation *TokRa still uses reiserfs Piki for the average user, it normally doesn't, but for huge files or a server under heavy load, it does help, especially after not being defragged in ages Piki but it's more about the physical disk TokRa hallvor: you might have an extra "/trinity" in your path, according to the logfiles Piki even with a journal, the read/write head still has to move around a lot Piki and files can get fragmented due to other files being in the way TokRa hallvor: http://mirror.trinity.lv replaces http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity, not the http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net hallvor I see.. let me test kb9vqf Piki: Or if you let the server run out of disk space... *cough* *hack* *wheeze* kb9vqf :) Piki yes, that too Piki or if the disk is pretty near full *kb9vqf has done that WAY too many times :-P Piki errr Piki same thing Piki lol Piki but that can happen at home, not just servers kb9vqf Of course hallvor I was able to upgrade now, but got s strange message: 62% [12 Translation-nn bzip2 0] [Connecting to mirror.trinity.lv]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. Think I'll go back to the main mirror later... kb9vqf Piki: From what I understand of the filesystems, they only do online (on-write) defragmentation if there's enough space. Otherwise files just go wherever they will fit :-/ kb9vqf TokRa: Looks like a partial sync :-{ TokRa kb9vqf: sorry? hallvor aptitude update later might fix it? kb9vqf TokRa: See hallvor's error kb9vqf I think one of the files did not sync to your mirror correctluy kb9vqf *correctly kb9vqf This might be a system wide glitch ATM hallvor oh *kb9vqf needs quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net online ASAP hallvor I will test later and let you know if it persists kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Service restoration information is available on Bug 439 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=439 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSI, http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/ does not respond kb9vqf hallvor: ^^^ kb9vqf You can subscribe to that if you want to know when quickbuild is back up Piki kb9vqf: as i understand, if a file is already written, it won't move if you just "add" to it, it will try to add the new info after the file, or if something else is in the way, it will find the best spot for it TokRa :( TokRa kb9vqf: is the partial sync problem on my side? kb9vqf Piki: I'm not sure; I thought most file systems would reallocate a larger chunk for the file than is actually needed kb9vqf TokRa: Not sure TokRa hallvor: try to change mirror.trinity.lv to mirror1.trinity.lv and try updating again kb9vqf We'll have to wait until quickbuild is back up to know for sure Piki kb9vqf: probably depends on which filesystem you use kb9vqf Or try the U of I mirror kb9vqf Piki: Yup kb9vqf I'm thinking ext3/ext4 kb9vqf but XFS probably does not hallvor TokRa: ok Piki i tend to use jfs, works quite well for me hallvor TorRa: I still get the same error Piki in fact, Ark used ext3 awhile back, and a bunch of us outvoted our head dev in switching to jfs, so that's our default now hallvor TokRa..., sorry TokRa :( :( :( *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School ohai, stopping in for 6 minutes ;) kb9vqf Hi kb9vqf How's kdebase? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: truthfully, Tim just posted what he had for kdebase, so I haven't really gotten fully around to it Xu_R|School but I think I should be able to finish by tonight Xu_R|School (Tim Williams for MDV, btw) kb9vqf Ah, OK Xu_R|School ok, it's been 6 minutes. bai lol Xu_R|School teacher shoving us out door XD Piki time to go, i'm over my limit and getting hungry ;-) Piki hopefully the defrag is done once i'm home lol Piki laterz samelian kb9vqf: for what reason we have kpilot in kdepim? samelian if nobody have PalmPilot, we can test it kb9vqf samelian: Not sure kb9vqf Is there a replacement program, e.g. for GTK? samelian cannot* samelian kb9vqf: but anybody use PalmPilot? :) kb9vqf I don't samelian me neither kb9vqf I wish there was a palm-pilot-like device that could run Trinity :) kb9vqf That I WOULD use samelian in any case, is bad ideea to insert ultra-super-specialized programs in trinity base kb9vqf Probaby, yes kb9vqf *Probably kb9vqf Can you split it out? samelian I think yes kb9vqf i.e. put its source into an applications/kpilot directory? kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Do that :0 kb9vqf :) samelian ok kb9vqf Hmmm....all this snow melting is not good kb9vqf I'm getting power fluctuations kb9vqf Spikes/sags samelian i ported yesteday akregator to cmake kb9vqf Good samelian I think we must create some rss kb9vqf For the Trinity website? kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf Yell at MutantTurkey for that :)( samelian and replace default rss in akregator samelian to pointing to trinity, not to kde kb9vqf Right *kb9vqf knows nothing about RSS thought kb9vqf Wow, I really cannot type today kb9vqf I think I'll leave that to the fledgling Website team samelian i do not use rss neither, but seems nice feature kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf I launched it once to test it kb9vqf Seemed very nice indeed samelian we can announce progress of trinity :) samelian cmake porting progress etc kb9vqf Works for me :) kb9vqf Let's get the new site in first kb9vqf I'm just waiting for MutantTurkey to wrap it up kb9vqf Then I'll see about adding an RSS feed samelian i do not understand what David Rankin did :) kb9vqf Me either kb9vqf I don't know the CMake porting status though samelian sometime he talking about autoconf, another time about cmake kb9vqf He tried to use both :-P samelian and the result is a mess :) kb9vqf Yup kb9vqf I replied to him on the list samelian hmm, seems that I have no ideea how to move kpilot to applications :) samelian kb9vqf: you can do it for me? kb9vqf In SVN you mean? samelian yes kb9vqf Yes I can do that kb9vqf But you'll have to fix up Automake/Cmake :) samelian cmake is not completed yet for kpilot kb9vqf Right samelian kdepim, actually kb9vqf I mainly mean Automake kb9vqf Or maybe we'll just deprectate and remove Automake for kpilot kb9vqf That would probably be best samelian actually seems that kpilot using cmake, from upstream kb9vqf Really samelian but i have no ideea is working samelian if is worging* kb9vqf So the KDE3 variant has CMake support? samelian bleah samelian i have no ideea kb9vqf Oh, OK samelian in any case, apps which need unusual devices for working must be removed from trinity base kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Anything hardware-dependent samelian yes kb9vqf I'll move the folder in an hour or so kb9vqf I have to scrub my SVN directory samelian ok kb9vqf To make sure I'm not committing any breakage :) samelian hehe samelian kb9vqf: also, if you have time, check if dcopidlng directory can be removed as well kb9vqf samelian: I think that is a core component, no? kb9vqf dcopidl samelian in kdepim, no kb9vqf Oh, OK samelian seems that was marked for erasing long time ago kb9vqf So it's there by accident? samelian dnl we need to use our own copy, since kmailicalIface needs post 3.3 fixes in it samelian dnl TODO: remove once we rely on kdelibs 3.4 kb9vqf Ok kb9vqf I'll remove it :) *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Piki this thing is still on it's first defrag, and still a long way to go Piki :-P Xu_R kb9vqf: back, but about to head out to tennis lol. I grabbed his kdebase3 spec and i'm taking a look at it now Piki i started it at noon EDT Xu_R kb9vqf: I think I will be able to have a preliminary spec by tonight, and if all goes well kb9vqf samelian: Changes are in SVN as of revision 1221130 Xu_R kb9vqf: working packages by tommorrow (assuming they sync to ftp.heanet.ie) kb9vqf Great :) Xu_R now to head out - bbl samelian kb9vqf: ok samelian kb9vqf: tqfindExtension and tqfindHistory are new changes? kb9vqf samelian: Yes kb9vqf Are they not in TQt for Qt3? kb9vqf They should be... samelian when you added it? kb9vqf Recently samelian aha kb9vqf In the big batch update samelian i think I must recompile base packages kb9vqf yes samelian I will use this opportunity to swith to gcc 4.5 kb9vqf Good idea Piki samelian: please do, we want to make it as compilable as posssible on recent gcc versions ;-) samelian of course samelian i'm on ~x86 keyword on gentoo :) samelian i'm a kamikaze Piki i'll be doing x86_64 and x86 Piki perhaps if i get a working desktop, i can do ia64 Piki (desktop, as in a tower) *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa Iyi geceler Piki hi MutantTurkey Piki ugh, getting tired of waiting for the defrag Piki wtf? suddenly have a hug number of things of my taskbar for no reason MutantTurkey hiya Piki MutantTurkey: how's the site coming? MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/ MutantTurkey I've added a news feed, almost everything is complete, just need to add a screenshots section TokRa looks nice Piki taking a long time to connect, but i'm able to browse elsewhere MutantTurkey thanks TokRa. Piki doh Piki typo Piki i'm there now, checking Piki nice Piki much better than the current site MutantTurkey any thoughts? MutantTurkey for improvement Piki is there a link for a list of news, other than what's displayed on the front? may be a good idea to have a page listing news that ends up going off the front page TokRa an RSS feed would be nice MutantTurkey Piki: okay i can easily add a new llink at the top MutantTurkey TokRa: for the news feed? D: okay samelian MutantTurkey: indent all boxes with same distance TokRa <kb9vqf> I'm just waiting for MutantTurkey to wrap it up TokRa <kb9vqf> Then I'll see about adding an RSS feed TokRa ^_^ MutantTurkey I am done the site as far as i can tell. samelian pls, someone help to spell this corectly: samelian Is there any way to find user and group? With libssh2_sftp_fstat_ex I can read only uid and gid. For libssh2_sftp_opendir I can use "longentry", but I want for libssh2_sftp_fstat_ex as well. kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I still don't see the screenshots section kb9vqf Even if you just throw one screenshot in there then I can expand it later on MutantTurkey is there any way to find a user and a group? with libssh2_sftp_fstat_ex i can only read uid and gid, with libssh2_sftp_opendir I can use "longentry", but i want to use libssh2_sftp_fstat_ex as well MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay I will do that then. *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Thanks :) MutantTurkey what do you think of the news feed? samelian MutantTurkey: thx kb9vqf Looks pretty good Piki good MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay, its really simple to work with also kb9vqf Even better :) MutantTurkey literally it is just text files in a directory. very simple to add too MutantTurkey on the screenshots page, should i mention that screenshots are welcome? MutantTurkey wanted actually Piki MutantTurkey: it's been awhile since i did webdesign, can't remember any of it, but i think there's a way to have a table with a border of 0 (so the borders don't show), with a single row that takes up a "percentage" of the browser window, and each column take up a "percentage" of the row, then to align text in each cell, may be a way to align the navigation bar at the top, dunno how well that would work MutantTurkey why? Piki have it a bit centered, maybe about 95% of the browser or something MutantTurkey that sounds very much like old school html from the 90's D: Piki dunno, used to seeing navigations bars like that centered samelian Piki: tables are not recommended for page layout TokRa On the menu row the "screenshots" option points to sceenshots.php (a misspelling) MutantTurkey css is much simpler MutantTurkey ? Piki samelian: it's how i leaned to do it in 2007 webdesign class MutantTurkey TokRa: what miss spelling? is Screen Shots two words? samelian Piki: hehe Piki MutantTurkey: the php file samelian tables are used for data, not for formatting pages TokRa The link to sceenshots.php instead of screenshots.php TokRa "r" is missing Piki sceenshots.php, instead of screenshots.php MutantTurkey oh thanks TokRa welcome Piki MutantTurkey: you're not welcome, get out! Piki lol MutantTurkey D: TokRa please contanct us via the Mailing List => please contact us via the Mailing List. MutantTurkey bye. MutantTurkey :p MutantTurkey TokRa: thank you. MutantTurkey this is exactly what i need you guys for :P Often you don't see the simple stuff. samelian I think we need a domain for TDE Piki yes MutantTurkey i agree MutantTurkey I looked at some available before samelian tde.org are occupied, but not used samelian maybe we can buy it for the owner? samelian from* MutantTurkey i doubt it MutantTurkey 3 letter domains are hard to come by *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian that's true, but we ca try MutantTurkey trinity-desktop.org is available. samelian can* TokRa kb9vqf has mentionned trinityde.org or trinitydesktop.org kb9vqf I like trinitydesktop.org personally MutantTurkey same thing Piki ewwe, tde.org uses IIS MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey so old bahaha TokRa Piki: to be more specific, it responds as IIS ;) Piki TokRa: hmm? TokRa It is possibly to compile Apache making it respond as any other signature samelian i'm pretty sure that is IIS TokRa http://tde.org/qwerty TokRa indeed Piki TokRa: yeah, but what self-respecting f\oss supported would make it respond as MS? ;-) samelian Piki: for fun, why not? :) Piki samelian: more like, to scare people away from my private site, lol *TokRa requests the Trinity DE support for http://mslinux.org ASAP ! Piki monkeys on mars TokRa :D Piki i saw that ages ago Piki lol "Graphical User Interface command-Line Technology (GUILT)" samelian i hope is patented :) TokRa Just call 1-900-MS-LINUX... :P MutantTurkey enough of that. MutantTurkey okies got a screenie page up now with one shot kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Any chance of getting a "click for high res" feature? samelian MutantTurkey: <a href="highres_picture.png" target="_blank">click for high res</a> MutantTurkey oh yeah i have that already. MutantTurkey let me add Piki gah, now i'm remembering part of why i hate defrag in windoze, always took forever lol kb9vqf Hehe MutantTurkey click it now and it will make it larger TokRa MutantTurkey: I'll send you another example Piki 5.5 hrs of defrag, and it's still not done TokRa in some minutes ... MutantTurkey TokRa: okay great :) make sure to send a png or any lossless format really TokRa I mean, a php example MutantTurkey oh :) kb9vqf Nice :) kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Any particular reason why the mailing lists page doesn't work? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yes. MutantTurkey because you said that autogenerates so don't create it, you would deal with it. kb9vqf Oh kb9vqf There are two pages MutantTurkey :O oh./ kb9vqf One just has general information kb9vqf That one is NOT autogenerated kb9vqf The archives themselves (linked to from that pages) ARE autogenerated kb9vqf *page MutantTurkey sorry my mistake. would you like me to make that one then? kb9vqf Yes please :) kb9vqf Here's the info: kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/ kb9vqf Just leave the web archive links alone MutantTurkey I may be unable to do this tonight. Piki MutantTurkey: it loads the pic on it's own in my browser, which shrinks it down, and i have to click again to enlarge it. some browsers don't even allow the click-to-enlarge. i'd suggest having the images load into another page that forces them to be fully-screen, or perhaps have a zoom-in/zoom-out button Piki fully-screen=full-size* MutantTurkey Piki: not my problem if your browser sucks. Piki MutantTurkey: most browsers do that, not just mine Piki even firefox MutantTurkey well, firefox sucks hardest. MutantTurkey :p Piki it loads the pic stretched-down, and one has to click it to enlarge Piki as does rekonq, arora, etc MutantTurkey my web browser just loads the image like it should... MutantTurkey I don't think it is worth loading on another page. frankly that is unnessicary. Piki MutantTurkey: i've never seen that, i've always seen either shrunk down with a click-to-enlarge or no click-to-enlarge MutantTurkey Piki: wrote the browser myself :) Piki and when i click an image to enlarge it, that's what i expect, not a shrunk-down image samelian MutantTurkey: in this case is necessary to open another page Piki MutantTurkey: most people don't bother, they just use someone else's work Piki some of us don't even have the time MutantTurkey :P MutantTurkey only took a few days MutantTurkey source code is like around 300sloc Piki i barely have a few hours to actually sit at a computer, even if i have my nick here MutantTurkey college lends itself to alot of free time Piki i'm sure it would take me longer, especially considering i don't know any code TokRa MutantTurkey: sending you a file via DCC MutantTurkey TokRa: hmmm i don't think it worked. MutantTurkey pidgin is acting quite funny MutantTurkey would you mind emailing them? mutantturkey@gmail MutantTurkey I've got to get ready and eat dinner so I can take a look at that later. TokRa http://u.inga.lv/MutantTurkey.zip Piki MutantTurkey: with a job AND therapy AND a bunch of other things, i don't even have enough time for an education :-( Piki unless i can find a teacher for a few cents an hour that could come to me, but i seriously doubt it TokRa extract the contents onto your wwwroot then check the example.php TokRa if it is ok, place <? include '_hs.php' ?> somewhere in the beginning of your screenshots.php TokRa then let the image tags look like <a href="/media/trinity3_5_12-large.jpg" class="highslide" onClick="return hs.expand(this)"><img src="media/trinity3_5_12-thumb.jpg"></a> *TokRa powers up the netbook to make some screenshots too Xu_R back Piki front Xu_R Got dinner, then I can commit full time to kdebase merging and testing! :D samelian kb9vqf: I recompiled tqt and kdelibs samelian but this errors still: samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/find.cpp: In member function 'void Find::display()': samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/find.cpp:93: error: 'class KFindDialog' has no member named 'tqfindExtension' samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/find.cpp: In member function 'void Find::slotFind()': samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/find.cpp:214: error: 'class KFindDialog' has no member named 'tqfindHistory' kb9vqf Huh kb9vqf OK, let me fix TQt then TokRa MutantTurkey: http://u.inga.lv/tde1.png http://u.inga.lv/tde2.png http://u.inga.lv/tde3.png Piki kb9vqf: btw, perhaps TQt can be EQt (Enhanced Qt) when it's finished? kb9vqf samelian: OK, try again with SVN revision 1221138 for tqtinterface samelian ok kb9vqf Piki: I don't know samelian actually tqt is not an enhanced qt samelian have same functionalities as Qt3 Xu_R I go for no EQt, TQt is fine samelian maybe patched Qt3 can be EQt samelian but I think will be confusing Xu_R and kb9vqf: sometime in the future, we need to rename everything kdebase to tdebase and such Xu_R FYI. kb9vqf Sometime :) Xu_R hehe kb9vqf After Qt4 support kb9vqf And HAL Xu_R agreed kb9vqf And all those irritating bugs :) samelian and cmake Xu_R we need to have all that stuff off our backs first :) Xu_R yup samelian and many other critical things :) Xu_R I vote for NO CHANGES now :P samelian haha samelian you vote no for you own proposition :) Xu_R yes Xu_R I am weird yet awesome like that hehe samelian instead kate will be "tate" :) Xu_R LOL, that doesn't sound fancy at all though :P Piki tater - Trinity Advanced Text Editor and Revisor lol Xu_R ... Piki and maybe we can add a "tots" Xu_R No. Xu_R we are not advocating fast fatty food. Piki Xu_R: but i need fatty food, need energy to work out and shrink my belly, yah know ;-) Piki j/k Piki i need to get rid of the fatty stuff Xu_R ... Piki ... Xu_R I'm going to head for dinner now, then do kdebase. Xu_R when it's done, it should sync by GMT 0600 to ftp.heanet.ie... Xu_R (assuming they don't screw up over there...) Xu_R so bbl dinner samelian kb9vqf: seems fixed kb9vqf Good kb9vqf And NO TATER! samelian also, not tonqueror, tlipper, tonsole, etc :) Piki kb9vqf: was a joke lol *kb9vqf knows kb9vqf I especially hate tonsole :) Piki i still have mine kb9vqf Here's a thought: what about console with a c (spelled correctly!) Piki still commanding my immune system kb9vqf :-P samelian tconsole? kb9vqf Hmmm....maybe kb9vqf Sounds better anyway samelian a lot of kde apps have "K" for a reason samelian "amaroK", "arK" kb9vqf I know kb9vqf I almost want to leave it that way Piki but i doubt art would be a good name for an archiver kb9vqf Nope Piki makes me think of painting kb9vqf I vote to leave it as-is for existing apps Piki and it might get confused with arts kb9vqf And come up with names that include a T for new apps samelian me neither, at least for now samelian either* Piki defrag almost done, gonna quit, and rejoin when it's done samelian or we can rename apps for better names samelian for example, ark is not very good name for an archiver kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Just no sed 's/k/t/g' kb9vqf :) TokRa|asleep KMail -> TMail TokRa|asleep AFAIR, tmail was an amail app for FIDONET under DOS TokRa|asleep http://hotlinks.ru/hadpress/images/news/tmail.gif samelian kb9vqf: /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/mainwindow.cpp: In member function 'void MainWindow::initActions()': samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/mainwindow.cpp:370: error: 'tqfindNext' is not a member of 'KStdAction' samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/mainwindow.cpp:371: error: 'tqfindPrev' is not a member of 'KStdAction' kb9vqf samelian: That means tqt.h is not included somehow in kalarm/mainwindow.cpp samelian kb9vqf: tqt.h is included every time samelian /usr/bin/c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DUSE_QT3 -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -include tqt.h -I/var/tmp/kdepim.build/kalarm -I/home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm -I/home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/lib -I/home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/kalarmd -I/var/tmp/kdepim.build -I/home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim -I/home/serghei/projects/trin samelian ity/kdepim/libkmime -I/usr/kde/3.5/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I/usr/include/tqt -o CMakeFiles/kalarm.dir/mainwindow.cpp.o -c /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/mainwindow.cpp *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki *sigh* can't get into kde4 as my default user, and don't feel like deleting/recreating him, too many huge files to move around Piki guess i have to, no other users on here, and i shouldn't be online as root anyway kb9vqf samelian: Well, if you check tqt.h you can see that tqfindNext is defined samelian wait kb9vqf So something is preventing it from working samelian in my tqt is just #define tqfindNextRef findNextRef samelian kb9vqf: in svn missing too samelian http://websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity/dependencies/tqtinterface/qtinterface/tqt.h?revision=1221138&view=markup kb9vqf samelian: OK, you are right kb9vqf Fixed in SVN 1221142 samelian ok *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/messagewin.cpp: In constructor 'MWMimeSourceFactory::MWMimeSourceFactory(const QString&, KTextBrowser*)': samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdepim/kalarm/messagewin.cpp:1676: error: 'tqfindByPath' is not a member of 'KMimeType' kb9vqf samelian: SVN 1221144 kb9vqf :-P samelian step by step :) Piki gah, Ark devel really needs some stability work, can't seem to find my sound card Piki but apparently the module for it is in use samelian kb9vqf: tqfindObject kb9vqf Gahhh kb9vqf samelian: SVN 1221145 *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki forgot to re-add myself to the audio group ;-) Xu_R|Away back Xu_R|Away time to start on KDEBASE :D samelian Xu_R: if you using gcc 4.5 you will have some unpleasant surprises :) Piki i'll be using gcc 4.5 Xu_R samelian: Probably not, actually Piki i hope you guys can get things fixed ;-) Xu_R because everything has been building gcc 4.5+ well samelian just look: samelian Building CXX object kcontrol/iccconfig/CMakeFiles/kcm_iccconfig-module.dir/iccconfig.cpp.o samelian In file included from /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.13_p1183307/work/kdebase/kcontrol/randr/krandrtray.cpp:65:0: samelian /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.13_p1183307/work/kdebase/kcontrol/randr/krandrbindings.cpp: In constructor 'KRandRSystemTray::KRandRSystemTray(QWidget*, const char*)': Xu_R what version of gcc? samelian 4.5.2 Xu_R *sigh* Xu_R looks like we're going to be svn debugging for a while.. samelian and the compiler actually is right Xu_R ok... Xu_R that means I'll only be able to have binaries for Mandriva Xu_R since they still use 4.4.3 samelian at least for moment Xu_R also means I'll be running services all night >_< samelian I think tomorrow I will fix gcc 4.5 incompatibilities samelian kb9vqf: tqfindServiceFor Xu_R go for it Xu_R I told Ilya I'd have binaries by tonight Xu_R but I can make a deadline by Friday. Piki currently doing an svn up, then i can get to help testing Piki what's the best way to build without dirtying my svn checkout? create a separate dir and run a command? Piki or cp what i want to build and run a command? samelian Piki: if you use cmake, just use out of source mode samelian mkdir /tmp/build; cd /tmp/build; cmake /path/to/sources Piki samelian: i'll be using cmake, but that won't dirty my svn checkout? as in, i can still "svn up" without problem? Piki ah Piki make separate dir samelian yes samelian cmake scripts are designed to working in this way samelian actually in-source compiling are not recommended Piki when i'm compiling, i normally download a tarball, and if i mess up, i can delete the directory i'm compiling in and untar Piki but yes, for testing and/or developing i'm sure it's a good idea Piki wtf? rpm thinks there isn't anything installed Piki and is only taking a split second to --rebuilddb, which doesn't fix it Piki ugh, my rpm db is completely empty, something got f**ked up bad samelian your defrag :) Piki samelian: i doubt it, all it does is rewrite files according to file/directory size, and nothing else is corrupt or missing Piki and it didn't do any harm to the files on my mp3 player, which has some large songs/videos Piki samelian: and Ark devel has been having RPM dependency troubles for quite some time now, so i'd suspect something like that may be involved samelian check if you have enough space on disk Piki 299GB on my partition, only 15% used Piki so i have plenty of space Xu_R kb9vqf: wow, kdebase is more hellish than I thought Xu_R you said kdepim was also bad - better or worse? XD samelian kdebase is much complicated samelian because a lot system calls Xu_R yea... Xu_R so probably kdepim is better, huh? :P samelian kdepim is complicated because dependencies hell Xu_R oh. fk. Xu_R I'm already experiencing that trying to build for three dists Xu_R xD samelian you have problems with kdebase? Xu_R well Xu_R it's dependency hell here :P samelian hehe Xu_R because I have to find satisfying libs for openSUSE, Fedora, and Mandriva Xu_R oh jeez Xu_R fedora only has kdebase and kdebase-devel Xu_R mandriva has that and lib<stuff here>, and <stuff here> packages Xu_R opensuse has kdebase-<stuff here> packages Xu_R oh lordy, this is hell. xD samelian fortunately, i designed cmake for splitted packages :) Xu_R which is nice, but for rpm packages Xu_R that does nothing Xu_R because we have to split manually via filelists D: samelian ah, correct Piki Xu_R: at least you can define different filelists in the same spec samelian cmake helping only gentoo packagers actually Xu_R yup samelian Xu_R Piki: I know that, I've been doing this for a long time. Piki samelian: btw, do you have a list of which packages you've done cmake for and what options they'll take? i'm going to "attempt" to build, and put qt3.3.8c in a different dir (my system has qt3 in it via Ark's repos, but i can't remove until i get rpm fixed) samelian Piki: I have a sort of package list samelian wait samelian actually, what you mean "packages"? samelian kdelibs, kdebase, etc? Piki samelian: yes, those and any dependencies Piki i need to know what you've completed cmake for, and what options they'll take Xu_R Piki: you have to figure those out yourself... :-\ we don't know what the package names are in Ark. It's trial and error samelian at this time only kdelibs and kdebase are complete samelian the rest of packages are partial ported samelian ark using monolithic or splitted packages samelian ? Piki split, we'll split the kernel, e.g. the kernel itself in one package, then a separate package for each module, ... Piki with normal packages such as KDE, we'll do some minimal splitting there, include -devel packages samelian Piki: http://www.thel.ro/trinity.txt Piki Xu_R: i'm not look for file names, i'm looking for cmake switches Piki i can figure out what to input to those switches myself samelian for switches read main CMakeLists.txt for each package Piki e.g. "./configure --prefix=" is what in cmake? samelian or use ccmake samelian CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX Piki samelian: thanks samelian Piki: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild samelian Piki: also check David's work: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity kb9vqf samelian: SVN revision 1221148 *Piki wanders what he did to get it so that his /var/lib/rpm/Packages file is completely empty at just 8KB kb9vqf And what is wrong with krandrtray? samelian kb9vqf: gcc 4.5 issue, i think kb9vqf Can you fix it? *kb9vqf does not have gcc4.5 hre samelian i will, tomorrow kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Thanks :) samelian kb9vqf: kalarm seems ok now kb9vqf Good Piki do we have qt 3.3.8c somewhere, or the patch for 3.3.8b? Piki can't seem to find it on the site, i'm guessing it's on quickbuild? Piki *double checks wiki* Xu_R Piki: it's on the wiki Xu_R keep searching Xu_R under Qt3 Piki Xu_R: what i'm searching now, in between trips to the stove, i thought i saw it on the main site, hence why i'm asking Xu_R Piki: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3 Xu_R You need to search the Developers' Web Piki or use the search box ;-) just found it Xu_R ... Piki Xu_R: i utilized the search, ran to the stove, and came back to find the result and your message lol Piki i go to too many sites, tend to get them mixed up Piki can't even keep my different email accounts straight sometimes under my own gmail account Piki or in kmail either Xu_R Transmitting file data..................................................................... Xu_R gah, it's a fking LAN connection - how could it take freaking 30 seconds?! >_< Xu_R kdebase3: Services execution got triggered. Piki what's the filesize and net speed? Xu_R GAH. Xu_R kdelibs: Badness of 48500, exceeding threshold of 1000, aborting. Xu_R I am hating this badness rating right now >_< Xu_R anyone mind testing my kdebase3 stuff once I've got rpms? *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop ZZRX Hi, i just wanted tell that managed get compiz work in trinity, if some1 is interested *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa Piki :) *Piki is no smile, he is a digital lunatic Piki the qt 3.3.8c patch is looking for files in the 3.3.8b dir that don't exist... there doesn't seem to be a qt-x11-free-3.3.8b/include/qobject.h TokRa Pardus Linux Corporate 2 Uses KDE 3.5 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Pardus-Linux-Corporate-2-Uses-KDE-3-5-184860.shtml Piki TokRa: i thought they already had KDE3.5? *TokRa doesn't know TokRa when I have learned this info today, I felt surprised Piki i remember using Pardus back in 2008, i'm sure they had 3.5 (i think it was 3.5.9) Piki i thought they wanted to use TDE for their next release, though, someone from Pardus was posting on the devel mailing list awhile back TokRa in 2008 Ubuntu used 3.5 too & there was no need to forking Trinity Piki i don't pay much attention to ubuntu, never worked for me, and one of my cowowrks said today that after using it, he can see why windows is so popular TokRa :) Piki wow, i need to learn how to spell "cowowrks" lol Piki should be "coworkers" TokRa The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. TokRa ;-) TokRa btw, where are you from, Piki? Piki the first distro that worked for me was a non-debian distro, Ark (yes they still exist, i'm using their development version) Piki TokRa: Pennsylvania, USA Piki and btw, i don't like kvirc, can't seem to get konversation working *TokRa started in 2002 with Mandrake, then switched fast enough to FreeBSD (on the desktop, yes), then accepted Ubuntu in 2007 Piki i tried ubuntu in mid-2005, dropped me down to a CLI, and i didn't know any commands (i was a windows user) Piki i tried it again in january 2007, still wouldn't work with a GUI Piki i tried Ark in February 2007, first one to work after trying a bunch of others in January Piki opensuse, fedora, bunch of others, can't remember all that i tried Piki debian scared me at first with it's installer, looked kinda large and clunky Piki when i eventually got it installed (tried it several times since), it seemed quite stable on the core system, but the GUI and sound didn't quite work Piki even Squeeze and Lenny didn't like me Piki but ubuntu and fedora have been the biggest struggles for any of the systems i've tried it on TokRa Linux is very user friendly. Still, it chooses its friends carefully :) Piki Ark works on pretty much any system i put it on Piki TokRa: one thing i tell people is that they often won't like their first distro, they will normally need to try a bunch before they find one they like Piki i also point out live cds and vms Piki so they don't feel scared to try Piki TokRa: i don't think Ubuntu is choosing friends very well, i've tried it with quite a few systems from quite a few manufacturers, and even a few custom machines, and it didn't like any of them Piki whereas i'm able to get Ark with 100% free software to work on quite a few of them, perhaps minus proprietary wireless or 3d acceleration *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen hi hi and back to lurking *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa wakes up and says hi to Borg^Queen *hasansahin has joined #trinity-desktop hasansahin hi TokRa hello :) TokRa iyi geceler hasansahin on maverick I can not install trinity desktop hasansahin because server is not responding TokRa there is a solution hasansahin iyi geceler :))) TokRa Replace http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity to http://mirror.trinity.lv hasansahin with ppa? TokRa The main site is not responding for technical reasons TokRa without TokRa I suppose you use this howto: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ubuntu_installation.html hasansahin deb http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity/ubuntu maverick main hasansahin is it correct? TokRa yes hasansahin deb http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity-builddeps/ubuntu maverick main hasansahin and also this :) TokRa true :) hasansahin for the keyserver? TokRa no keyserver TokRa will have to accept "non verified" content hasansahin ok merci :) TokRa de rien hasansahin ooooo :) TokRa en effet TokRa en tout cas mon francais est meilleur que mon anglais hasansahin la mienne n'est pas très bonne *kb9vqf reminds everyone of bug 439 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=439 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSI, http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/ does not respond TokRa au contraire, assez comprehensible hasansahin teşekkür ederim :) hasansahin let me try with new server that you have given, then i will come back TokRa Ok, good luck hasansahin thx kb9vqf Another page in my Qt4 rant...... kb9vqf There's no easy way to simply bold the title of a group box kb9vqf Bolding the title bolds everything else inside the group box :-P kb9vqf Unless you set each and every contained widget property to UNSET bold kb9vqf It's a shame, because Qt4 has such a nice IDE kb9vqf But such a lousy API kb9vqf IMHO :) *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School 15 minutes left.... and then an after school club. I feel dead tired anyway x_X Xu_R|School hmm... who have I not seen in here within the past 3 days? *Xu_R|School is tired......... Xu_R|School ok, time to gooo... again. *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf David Rankin likes our work :) Borg^Queen Of course... Borg^Queen People are taking notice of Trinity Borg^Queen There's even been some rumbles in the KDE devel community Borg^Queen well I'm off, gn to all samelian Xu_R: I do not understand your message (on email) samelian kb9vqf: kdelibs and kdebase compiling correctly with gcc 4.5 kb9vqf Good, good :) kb9vqf I assume the changes are in SVN now? samelian yes kb9vqf OK, thanks samelian welcome samelian actually was a single problem *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: sometimes i see this error: WARNING: DCOPReply<>: cast to 'TQCString' error samelian you know what is this? Xu_R samelian: I meant that the trinity-users list is not supposed to be used to record issues with compiling Trinity, it should be on trinity-devel Xu_R samelian: trinity-users is for general discussion samelian Xu_R: yes, for sure samelian you replied to my message samelian so, i assumed that is for me Xu_R oh. oops. lol. samelian i fixed kdebase issue with gcc 4.5 MutantTurkey looks like Davids got trinity packaged for Arch :) time to get it into the Arch Linux unofficial repositories i think. Xu_R samelian :D *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: the flash patch that Ilya had, are you planning to commit that to kdebase? MutantTurkey did that patch work? I didn't see any resolution on that. kb9vqf If it works I'll commit it kb9vqf Want to test it for me? *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: I don't know, I'm still fighting kdebase atm Xu_R I'll add it to the patch list though kb9vqf Ah kb9vqf OK *kb9vqf just does not have time right now Xu_R kb9vqf: But I can see what the patch does kb9vqf Sure Xu_R if the patch is a gtk-oriented plugin, such as toward mainly firefox or netscape Xu_R load a wrapper to make sure it works in konqueror cpatrick08 @MutantTurkey i lost the link to the new TDE webpage could you give it to me again MutantTurkey cpatrick08: 96.245.17.6 MutantTurkey can we make that topic MutantTurkey kb9vqf: can you make the topic the tentative website http://96.245.17.6/ <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-18T03:08:12Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> cpatrick08 thanks kb9vqf done kb9vqf I'd like to get it into production soon cpatrick08 on the beta website under screenshots when you click on the mailing list it takes you to a 404 not found link Xu_R cpatrick08: yes, we know. Xu_R MutantTurkey: did you start asking for Trinity screenshots? ;) cpatrick08 ok MutantTurkey Xu_R: not yet. Xu_R MutantTurkey: okees. *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 is there a way to test TDE 3.5.13 on maverick *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *strowi has joined #trinity-desktop strowi hi strowi can someone tell me what the revision number of the latest stable is? *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi MutantTurkey hey *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School is @lunch *Piki is at snack before lunch Piki snack before work* *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School hmmm... I might have to suppress some rpmlint checks for SuSE - it's giving me false positives... I might need Ilya to check them. *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-18T17:12:32Z">+o tbottu </mode> *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School drops a needle MutantTurkey :P Xu_R|School hey, MutantTurkey is alive! :P MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey been really busy this week. MutantTurkey I want to get this arch packaging done, but this david rankin guy seems to be doing is all wrong :/ I have no idea how he manages to build the packages because I can't seem to with his work Xu_R|School oh no :\ Xu_R|School can you email him and try to get him here on IRC? Xu_R|School then I'm sure you can sort things out from there... kb9vqf Mailing lists web page coming soon? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: shit MutantTurkey sorry I forgot MutantTurkey my parents are going away for the weekend so i've been busy all day out doing stuff, getting food etc. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i'll start working on that now kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Thanks Xu_R|School lol Xu_R|School i'm probably going to drop dead after I get home, this week was like hell MutantTurkey agreed. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: after the mailing list page, then what? kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Notify us here I guess so that we can proofread it :) kb9vqf If it passes that and there are no more dead links then send it over to me MutantTurkey okay I've got a few things to attend to then i can crack down these on these kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Thanks :) MutantTurkey i probably will want to run it through a HTML verification and then spell check also :) kb9vqf Of course kb9vqf Please do that before letting us know kb9vqf To cut down on back-and-forth Xu_R|School Trinity is now evolving :) kb9vqf Seems to be kb9vqf That's VERY good kb9vqf :)) Xu_R|School :D *TokRa agrees Xu_R|School ok, time to go home from school and crash on my bed XD bbiab MutantTurkey cya *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R hehe http://i13.mangareader.net/prince-of-tennis/40/prince-of-tennis-642471.jpg MutantTurkey kb9vqf: finished the mailing list thinger http://96.245.17.6/mailinglist.php kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Let us know when you've finished your spelling/grammar/broken links checks MutantTurkey I don't think i can do that today. kb9vqf That's fine kb9vqf Take your time :) kb9vqf Better done right than sloopy kb9vqf *sloppy (like my typing) Xu_R ... Xu_R kb9vqf just proved his own point... lol *Space_Man__ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey :) *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man___ has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa Piki :) Piki TokRa: <:-( kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf Just noticed that the Qt Quarterly article on Qt4 transparent widgets uses a KDE3.5 desktop :) kb9vqf Seems even they don't like KDE4? Piki kb9vqf: but qt4 gave birth to kde4! kb9vqf I know! kb9vqf That's what I find so funny kb9vqf They won't eat their own dogfood *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop same_ kb9vqf: we have a problem with qt_cast same_ in kdelibs/interfaces/khexedit/byteseditinterface.h same_ qt_cast can be used only for QObject derived classes kb9vqf Is it working? kb9vqf It shouldn't even compile if it is incorrect same_ is not compilling same_ I replaced line 162 with original code same_ return static_cast<BytesEditInterface*>( t->tqqt_cast("KHE::BytesEditInterface") ); same_ and in this case kdevelop compiling kb9vqf That'll crash kb9vqf Badly kb9vqf Replace it with tqt_dynamic_cast same_ how, exactly? kb9vqf Show me the qt_cast line please :) same_ wait same_ return ::tqqt_cast<KHE::BytesEditInterface*>( t ); kb9vqf return tqt_dynamic_cast<KHE::BytesEditInterface*>( t ); same_ ok same_ seems that compiling *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 i was wondering what the status of the quickbuild server was TokRa use http://mirror.trinity.lv instead of http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity cpatrick08 ok thanks Xu_R dead tired now - I'm heading to bed. currently ftp.heanet.ie shows all the work i've done Xu_R http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/lincomlinux/Trinity:/3.5.12/ *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R woke up from a nap, ate dinner, now back to sleep ;) Xu_R before I do that Xu_R kb9vqf: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dEk2UzhBQXpuWmpxT3pRVkx2ZUFuZXc6MQ Xu_R It's basically the checklist I made in a google docs format Xu_R (I still have to add all the stuff, but still tired) *Xu_R zzzZZZZZZzzzs again kb9vqf Interesting kb9vqf Mind if I take the general idea and make a proper php-based survey system out of it? kb9vqf I'd like to integrate it with this idea: Xu_R kb9vqf: sure. mind you, each of the vendors change to a different page for packager-based questions kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/RegistrationDialogSpec *kb9vqf may not do much with it soon Xu_R sure, go for it kb9vqf But I don't want to have to pull data from some third-party source :) kb9vqf In the future that is Xu_R but for now, i'm migrating stuff from TestsuiteAndChecklist... and then we can play with it a bit kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf Multiple data sources just makes analysis difficult, that's all Xu_R very true. Xu_R I just like how Google docs is like awesome :P kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf But I've learned not to trust third party free services ;-) kb9vqf They may not always be around Xu_R true. kb9vqf Or be the best for your needs, say, 10 years in the future Xu_R yup kb9vqf At least if the data is in a truly open format it can be retrieved at any future date :) Xu_R hehe *kb9vqf has had some hard lessons that way... kb9vqf Micro$oft Xu_R of course microsoft. kb9vqf Or should I say Micro$$$$$everymonth$$$$oft kb9vqf :-P Xu_R LOL Xu_R yes, that's acceptable too XD Xu_R kb9vqf: hm... what if I made a simple dialog with kommander that popped up and displayed the webpage that tells you congrats, etc, want to share your system statistics Xu_R and then yes/no, use smolt (maybe? wanna run a smolt server kb9vqf? XD), and then the checklist (accept/decline) also kb9vqf Xu_R: Well, as long as it can POST the system details go for it! kb9vqf GET/POST kb9vqf I don't really care kb9vqf Just some way of autofilling certain fields Xu_R ah, ok kb9vqf smolt? kb9vqf Oh, nevermind kb9vqf We'll collect our own data I think kb9vqf The stuff relevant to desktop environments kb9vqf Not the kernel :) Xu_R :P *kb9vqf has to run kb9vqf gn all Xu_R nite also *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-19T08:05:23Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-19T08:58:35Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *menace has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: hehe... smolt is still useful in that aspect - if someone complains about Trinity being slow or such, we can see their system specs (if they agree to it) but I think I'll just have smolt export everything to a text file for sending to your servers ;) *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R drops a needle *kb9vqf steps on your needle and curses Xu_R lol TokRa :) *menace has left #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-20T00:13:36Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-20T00:18:29Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf QuickBuild is back online! TokRa good *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf:great! Xu_R kb9vqf: about time. XD Xu_R kb9vqf: I have a question. For kdebase, what packages do your recommend be split out into subpackages and the rest lumped in kdebase? Xu_R i've got kdm, nsplugins, kate, and a few others... Piki is there a CLI cd/dvd burning app that can burn straight data to a disc without making it an ISO? i've never done cd burning from a CLI before, and k3b doesn't seem to see my dvd burner (but i can mount data discs and play cdda) Xu_R Piki: either use cdrecord or dvdrecord Xu_R or you'll have to use dd MutantTurkey Piki: i don't know if you know brasero but for a gnome app it is quite good. Piki Xu_R: cdrecord doesn't seem to have an option to burn straight data, it's --help only mentions ISOs Xu_R ah... you want to burn straight data that's not image format... Xu_R well... I can't really help you there. I'm sure you can try making an image with dd, but be careful when you do, it can wipe your drive in an instant. Xu_R MutantTurkey: brasero is good. Piki MutantTurkey: not a GNOME user, not included in my distro (managed to break my RPM install anyway), and not about to compile huge stuff (the reason i want to burn my stuff to disc is to reinstall to fix RPM) Piki Xu_R: yeah, i know how to use dd, but doesn't that only allow me to create images for hard disk/flash media/floppy/etc, rather than optical images? Xu_R MutantTurkey: Piki is like your extremist kde3 person that will do anything to have all his software FOSS :P (ok, maybe not, but you get my idea) Xu_R Piki: /dev/cdrom? Piki i can use mkisofs anyway MutantTurkey :P Piki Xu_R: extremist F\OSS (never had proprietary stuff work). i use kde3 only because i don't like gnome and haven't had good chance to try anything else Piki oh, just thought of this: i only want my /home directory, and i currently have everything (except swap, of course) on one partition, if i had /home separate (like i should, but don't because i'm running alpha-quality software), dd would probably work Piki oie... i'm really short on options, aren't i? Piki now that i'm checking through my stuff, it appears my dvd drive isn't visible at all to kde4 :-( Piki i guess mkisofs it is, then pass the resulting iso off to cdrecord :-( seems to cause some serious lag though kb9vqf Xu_R: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity/+packages?field.name_filter=kdebase-trinity&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= kb9vqf Click the arrow to see a list of packages Piki bedtime Piki bye Xu_R kb9vqf: arigato ^^ *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 is there any way to test TDE 3.5.13 cpatrick08 in maverick cpatrick08 is there any way to test TDE 3.5.13 in ubuntu maverick kb9vqf cpatrick: Only if you build it from SVN kb9vqf There are no packages yet because the CMake port is incomplete cpatrick08 ok thanks *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has left #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop s15y1 hi, is it a goal of the trinity project to maintain compatibility with kde3 applications? specifically thinking about kscope which got lost in the kde4 transition. kb9vqf s15y1: Yes *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Had a chance to go over the Website yet? *kb9vqf would like to get it into production soon *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: very sorry I've not had a chance to look at it. kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey got side tracked doing a bug fix for another project. kb9vqf That's fine :) MutantTurkey I have started validating iit all. MutantTurkey i have to ask samelian about doctype thast about it kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf Take your time *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: did you see HHa's libreoffice problem? Xu_R I'm thinking that Trinity isn't looking everywhere... kb9vqf Xu_R: Nope *kb9vqf has been busy with other things Piki Xu_R: i think the menus package may need to install the menus into TDE's menu dir Xu_R kb9vqf: okees Xu_R Piki: NO! We want to keep compat with upstream. Piki Xu_R: huh? Xu_R we have to find the global apps dir and make sure TDE looks there... kb9vqf Xu_R is coorect kb9vqf *correct Piki global apps dir? Piki never heard of it kb9vqf /usr/share/apps IIRC kb9vqf /usr/share/applications/ Xu_R kb9vqf: yup Piki so... what's it used for? Xu_R problem, Trinity is probably looking in /opt/trinity/share/applications and not in /usr/share/applications... Xu_R Piki: go look there and you'll find your whole kmenu there. Piki i always thought each DE had it's own menu dir... Xu_R Piki: that would be illogical. Piki why? keep things from getting mixed up... Xu_R ... Xu_R then how would DEs like LXDE and XFCE find their apps? Piki by storing them in their own dirs Piki not like every single DE will use the same exact format kb9vqf Xu_R: Each desktop does have its own directory kb9vqf There is a set of control files that lists all the directories that contain the files kb9vqf XDG stuff kb9vqf I don't remember where they are ATM kb9vqf Each desktop maintains its own list of directories Xu_R kb9vqf: usually /usr/share/kde4, /usr/share/gnome-menus, /usr/share/lxde Xu_R kb9vqf: then again... kb9vqf /usr/share/applications is ONLY "global" apps Xu_R there's also the "NoShowIn=KDE,GNOME" etc kb9vqf Right, but that's for global apps again :) kb9vqf Trust me, there's a list somewhere kb9vqf I've seen it kb9vqf A list of XDG menu shortcut directories kb9vqf It's Trinity specific kb9vqf It might live under /etc Piki even with a free desktop standard, each DE/WM generally stores config files and such using it's own format, so it'd be hard to enforce such a standard on menu entries. i do understand why people would want a free desktop standard, but certain things should be left alone to each project's preference Xu_R kb9vqf: I don't think so. GNOME and KDE practically moved their stuff into /usr/share/applications Xu_R nowadays, KDE4 is in /usr/share/applications/kde4 Xu_R and GNOME is in /usr/share/applications (they just throw them randomly there) Xu_R and they all use the gobal "NoShowIn" Xu_R (I'm looking at it right now) kb9vqf That's up to them kb9vqf If someone wants to move the Trinity desktop files into /usr/share/applications/trinity they can kb9vqf I don't have time :) Xu_R The thing I want to know is, how can we get Trinity to start looking there? Piki symlink to trinity's dir? kb9vqf No kb9vqf NO kb9vqf YUCK kb9vqf :-P Piki ? Xu_R no. kb9vqf Find the list of XDG application directories kb9vqf And add /usr/share/applications/trinity to it Xu_R kb9vqf: no, How can we get TRINITY to start looking in /usr/share/applications? kb9vqf I know kb9vqf That's what I'm talking about kb9vqf Hang on Xu_R ok. kb9vqf It seems I have to find the file myself before people will believe me :) *Piki knows nothing of this DE devel stuff, needs explanations Xu_R kb9vqf: hehe MutantTurkey well arch binaries are up from kaitocracy Xu_R MutantTurkey: nice MutantTurkey Xu_R: yeah david got them up :) Xu_R :D kb9vqf Xu_R: It's actually a relatively complex system involving many configuration files :( kb9vqf Some are in /etc/xdg/menus/ Xu_R OH, /etc/xdg/menus. ew. kb9vqf Which then points to stuff in /opt/kde3/share/desktop-directories kb9vqf And many other places kb9vqf Like I said I've seen the files with my own two eyes kb9vqf Trinity may not be interacting with XDG very well right now kb9vqf Not sure MutantTurkey I am going to send a quick email to the person who is hosting trinity binaries from the trinity team? is that cool? kb9vqf Xu_R: On my system global (uncategorized) apps show up in "Lost + Found" kb9vqf MutantTurkey ? Xu_R kb9vqf: same everywhere MutantTurkey kb9vqf: we have trinity binaries for arch. I was thinking about sending her a email. kb9vqf Oh, we do? MutantTurkey just to say thanks for hosting them for right now kb9vqf I thought those were temp files ATM MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah. david made rapid progress. MutantTurkey yeah just for right now. kb9vqf If the're finished we should transfer them to the Trinity project servers MutantTurkey right. kb9vqf i.e. the global mirror system MutantTurkey Okay I'll email david that. kb9vqf OK :) Xu_R kb9vqf: yet again, /etc/xdg/menu applies to the global apps dir, where gnome and kde both use it now. kb9vqf Xu_R: Right..... Xu_R I think that just defines the categories. MutantTurkey I'll still email, just saying thanks and that we shouldn't bother her to much longer. kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey SO EXCITED TO ACTUALLY TRY TRINITY :D :D :D kb9vqf Fine with me : *Xu_R looks a bit more *kb9vqf has had a long day and does NOT feel like troubleshooting the $%#! menu system right now Xu_R yup, just with categories and the structure of menus Xu_R kb9vqf: fine by me. I'll throw it into the bugzilla kb9vqf OK, thanks kb9vqf Be detailed in what the problem is and how to reproduce it kb9vqf The menu system is just one of those things that I look at as magically working :) Xu_R we *assume* is magically working kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf I don't know much about its (way too complex) innards kb9vqf XDG is a beast *calvin has joined #trinity-desktop calvin holy crap this is nice. calvin I am very impressed Piki calvin: i try my best ;-) j/k kb9vqf is the guy to thank, i'm just here to test and package (whenever i eventually get my machine setup) calvin Like i thought i would enjoy trinty, but this is frankly fucking awesome. calvin a few small problems (probably davids fault anyway) but thats how it is. Piki talk to david, or (better) post to the trinity-users mailing list, see if it can be resolved in the packages. if not, file a bug report calvin Piki: I think it is Davids problem, he has only packaged the very minimal amout of stuff to get trinity going calvin not anything extra. calvin one question, my artsd is eating 10% of my memory calvin i mean CPU calvin is that normal? Piki don't think so... you might see it jump up slightly when you've got sound going through artsd, but it should be idle, at least for the most part calvin what is artsd? calvin hmm there might be a sound locking problem, I have mocp using alsa right now. on rebooot it should be fine. calvin I'll reboot now Piki it's the sound system KDE3/TDE uses to connect to ALSA and (i think) OSS, i forget what it stands for *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ Piki ah/ MutantTurkey well this is quite a friendly experience. Piki ? MutantTurkey definitely feels alot more together than gnome MutantTurkey (trying trinity on arch) Piki ah Piki gnome doesn't offer as many config options as i'd like and it feels... slowish Piki though i talked to someone recently who tried GNOME and KDE4 on Ubuntu. he didn't like Ubuntu and switched back to Windows, but he said between the two DE's, he prefers gnome MutantTurkey gnome actually feels about the same speed to kde3 MutantTurkey kde4 is unbearable. MutantTurkey but gnome has really cleaned up their act. Piki kde3 definitely feels more responsive than gnome on the machines i've used them on MutantTurkey hmmm nothing shows up in my control panel :[ Xu_R MutantTurkey: D: MutantTurkey yeah its odd Xu_R probably packaging error MutantTurkey i don't like kvirc to much either MutantTurkey Xu_R: certainly it is. Piki but if KDE3/TDE didn't exist and it was just KDE4 or GNOME, i'd definitely choose GNOME MutantTurkey kvirc just feels like bloaty to me, to many options D: Xu_R kvirc IS bloated. MutantTurkey Pidgin has always been my favorite Piki konversation is great Xu_R pidgin ftw Piki for just irc MutantTurkey Xu_R: word Piki for me, i like both Pidgin and Kopete, but if i could get file transfers working and run a pure Qt environment, it'd be kopete Piki i actually had the kde4 windows version of kopete running at some point MutantTurkey yeah Piki kinda nice to have some amount of familiarity and comfort when using wincrap MutantTurkey yeah *Piki doesn't mind testing for a wincrap port of TDE whenever the TDE devs have a chance to start work on it *MutantTurkey has left #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop Piki MutantTurkey: mutating your irc client to Pidgin? MutantTurkey :p yeah MutantTurkey I have to switch back to xfce anyways for now. *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey so does trinity use KHTML from the 3.5 branch? Xu_R MutantTurkey: sadly Xu_R It will ONLY be able to use WebKit after we port to Qt4 MutantTurkey okay good stuff MutantTurkey webkit is awesome :) Xu_R yes. it is. MutantTurkey wrote my own webkit browser MutantTurkey definitely will port it to qt Piki MutantTurkey: i'm game for learning to program with qt/c++, if you're game for teaching :-P Piki actually, i intend to learn either way, just don't have much time Xu_R MutantTurkey: oooh :O Piki and struggling to make a .iso of my /home small enough for dvd backup (working with a b0rked system with an empty rpmdb and a bunch of other stuff missing from /var) MutantTurkey I don't know C++ :P MutantTurkey i know just C Xu_R ewww, C. Xu_R C++ ftw Xu_R hehe Piki MutantTurkey: so... there's a C-compatible GUI toolkit? Piki Xu_R: you do realize C is the father of C++, right? lol MutantTurkey C is way better than C++ imho MutantTurkey Piki: gtk is C based. MutantTurkey duh Piki MutantTurkey: uh, i was under the impression that GTK was C++ Xu_R GTK is C Xu_R Qt is C++ Xu_R Piki: yea, I know Xu_R MutantTurkey: Only reason I like C++ is cause I'm learning it right now, lol (ever notice Xu_R|School? XD) Piki so... it appears that i've got a lot of unreliable sources who have been using linux a lot longer than me Piki which means that a lot of people need to get their facts straight *Piki will choose not to believe anyone from now on until he can do some thorough research himself MutantTurkey Piki: it has a c++ port but is primarily C Piki MutantTurkey: like i said, i'll choose not to believe anything until i can do my own research Piki too many people saying too many different things MutantTurkey lol MutantTurkey gtkmm is the C++ port of gtk. gtk is primarily written in C, there is also gtk for C#, python, ruby, etc Xu_R gtk for c# is vala, right? Xu_R or rather, c# like Piki pffft, someone recommended dropbox to me just 2 minutes after me saying that i try to avoid GTK stuff, and he said it doesn't use any GNOME stuff, but it requires nautilus... Piki no gnome here MutantTurkey lol MutantTurkey Xu_R: C# is mono, i think it is just called gtk-mono or something Xu_R MutantTurkey: ah, I see *david has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi david david There are a few familiar names... I want to move knemo to tde cmake and I need a good example to go-by. I've pulled the cmake files from kdewebdev, but I would like to find a reliable go by :) david What would be a good "hello-world.tde.cmake?" david Hi Piki - I type slow -- so expect delays :) Piki david: i can barely type without typos, and typos are a pet peeve of mine lol, i can be a bit delayed too Piki plus i tend to multitask when i'm in cyberspace ;-) david I've got 3 kids -- I always multitask! MutantTurkey hey david MutantTurkey D: kids. MutantTurkey david: I saw your post to trinity devel Piki oh dog... i hope i never have kids 'O.O though knowing me, i'll probably let my g/f talk me into it whenever we get married MutantTurkey Piki: getting married? nice david Well at my age, if you don't have kids, you really have to wonder ... Piki MutantTurkey: not yet, no money, could never afford it, even without all the fanciful stuff people tend to do these days Piki well, could probably afford it eventually MutantTurkey david: nice work with the packages. kaitocracy is really great. Piki but not for a very long time MutantTurkey Piki: yeah. I need to get through school first :P MutantTurkey where is samelian when we need him? david Kids $? Peanut butter and jelly is -- cheap :) MutantTurkey ramen :p david That got me though college david .50 cents per package back then.. MutantTurkey I am a fan of canned soup and chilli more. Piki mmmmmmmmmmm ramen Piki did someone say feeding frenzy? Xu_R david: glad you joined us on IRC. Xu_R samelian is our cmake maintainer Xu_R except he's.... not here right now MutantTurkey I prefer IRC by far. Xu_R MutantTurkey: agreed. MutantTurkey yeah where is that fellow :/ Xu_R prob sleeping MutantTurkey david: so whats holding you up? could you pastebin the problem? david Thanks for the invite -- that's OK, I'm really just poking around cmake and tde trying to figure it out. Xu_R it's 6 am over there david Here is what I've got so far for knemo - just getting started: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/tmp/CMakeLists.txt MutantTurkey 11:30 here Xu_R MutantTurkey: same - but same's +2 Piki it is 11:27PM eastern daylight time MutantTurkey thats me david rsync to the local box on my LAN is easier than pastebin :) MutantTurkey Piki: you are DC based right? MutantTurkey david: yeah :p Xu_R Piki: You mean EST. david 10:30 here in Nacogdoches CST Piki MutantTurkey: da pitts of the burgh of PA Xu_R MutantTurkey: No, I'm DC MutantTurkey Piki: your in Pittsburgh? dude we need to party it up. MutantTurkey I'm in philly. Piki Xu_R: some places use "daylinght" Piki daylight* Xu_R kb9vqf: Yo, we've got a David C. Rankin joining us from the mailing list, like I suggested. Xu_R Of course, we have to wait for samelian to help you with the cmake specifics... MutantTurkey D: yeah I think i'll have to split soon anyhoo MutantTurkey gotta get some sleep for class david No problem - I'm just sitting with the kids watching Prince of Persia MutantTurkey this weekend has been a bit crazy. Xu_R MutantTurkey: *understatement* MutantTurkey yeah. MutantTurkey to much partying. Piki Xu_R: yo? YO? YOU HAVE INSULTED THE SAGES OF OLDE! THOU SHALL EXPERIENCE THE WRATH OF THE 1000 LOLIPOP KIDS WITH STICKY LOLIPO HANDS! Piki oh, that's "yo', not "yo mamma" MutantTurkey well then. MutantTurkey didn't samelian create a wiki page for CMake? MutantTurkey relevent link:http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess *Xu_R facepalms Piki Piki MutantTurkey: yes, i posted it to david's thread on the mailing list MutantTurkey ah good good Xu_R do not do that crap in the channel, especially when we're logging it. Piki Xu_R: ? MutantTurkey Xu_R: whhat why not? no messing around means no fun. david Guys, what I'll do is poke around a bit more with the cmake files and see if I can come up with an intelligent set of questions for samlian when he is back on the list. I'll try and come up with a generic CMakeList.txt and dir structure that you can "plug your app in here" so I can understand all this stuff :) Xu_R Piki: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/irc/logs.html MutantTurkey david: I've got alot of issues going on with arch + trinity, i assume its just incomplete packaging though Piki MutantTurkey: some of us need to learn to to lighten up and have fun :-) Xu_R MutantTurkey: all caps and that long... and yo mama? really? -_- MutantTurkey LOL david Make sure you have the right set of PKGBUILDS (the traditional one -- NOT the build in tree ones) Xu_R It's already boring in school, you know... XD Piki Xu_R: ever hear of "fun"? MutantTurkey school is killer man. david You have the wrong degree - Aero was fascinating... MutantTurkey not looking foreward to class tomorrow Piki and besides, all that joking around in #arklinux will get logged once i fix AL-Bot MutantTurkey I keep switching degrees :P I am so indecisive. MutantTurkey I am liberal studies for the moment. Xu_R MutantTurkey: wow. You're more indecisive than me XD MutantTurkey computer science revolves around to much god damned Java and shit. nothing about real programming. MutantTurkey I am to hardcore unix to do a CS degree, and they don't even have vim D: how am i supposed to work without vim? Xu_R Piki: pfft. there's always a limit to that, you know. btw, i'm not ever going back onto #arklinux, not worth it and especially since arklinux is not reviving. david I enjoyed the physics and theory - but there is only one buyer of aero in the country -- that is the govt or its Mil Ind Complex MutantTurkey I was thinking digital audio production? Xu_R MutantTurkey: I know right? too much Java -_- MutantTurkey ah well. I'm only 16 so i have alot of time :P Xu_R MutantTurkey: DAMNIT. I'm 15 >: david I'm 44 -- I don't :) MutantTurkey :P yarly? Xu_R damn you one year older person named MutantTurkey >: Xu_R lol MutantTurkey Xu_R: 15 and in college? nice. Piki Xu_R: yes, and i would never go outside the limit... and Ark isn't dead, there IS development going on, we just need to get some actual people around to help test and speed things up a bit MutantTurkey I should have started last year. I am only on my second semster now. Xu_R MutantTurkey: what? 15? no, i'm in HS. But I'll be taking college institute in HS MutantTurkey Piki: just like trinity. Xu_R (next year, at least) MutantTurkey Xu_R: oh haha I am full time at college. Xu_R MutantTurkey: smart person. MutantTurkey our community college is quite nice. Piki and you just need to learn to stay calm and not overreact and to say what you mean MutantTurkey Xu_R: not really. david At 15, I was just starting my degree in beer ;) Xu_R Piki: COUGH UNITY COUGH Xu_R LOL david MutantTurkey david: that sums up my weekend. MutantTurkey gotta get this damned website finished >.> david Ah -- you guys are making me miss the good ole days... MutantTurkey i need to wait up for samelian to ask him doctpye questions. Xu_R pfft. MutantTurkey: you, sir, are lucky, how the hell did you get into college at 16? MutantTurkey Xu_R: are you in america? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey right pittsburgh? MutantTurkey or is that DC Xu_R MutantTurkey: No, DC Piki Xu_R: what about them? i gave them like 50 chances to stop their attacks, and i never otherwise go over 2 chances MutantTurkey i am so confused now! D: Xu_R MutantTurkey: I'm in DC, Piki is in Pittsburgh MutantTurkey Xu_R: okay, talk to your HS guidence counselor about "Dual Enrollment" Xu_R Piki: as I said, there are different PoVs here MutantTurkey basically you take college classes while being in high schol Xu_R MutantTurkey: OH, that's what i'm doing next year. We call it college institute. Piki and i have a very low tolerance for stupid bullcrap MutantTurkey I am technically in high school, but i am taking all classes at collge MutantTurkey Xu_R: yeah exactly. Xu_R wow. MutantTurkey but i don't even go to the HS at all. Piki Xu_R: define PoVs Xu_R luckyyy lol MutantTurkey word. MutantTurkey it's nice in some ways MutantTurkey lost alot of friends ._. Xu_R -_- MutantTurkey people don't seem to miss you when you go away. MutantTurkey It's cool. All i do at school is jam anyway Xu_R Piki: 1. JMiahMan is overreacting. 2. You are overreacting. 3. Both of you are passionate in your views but you let it get to your heads. MutantTurkey 4. I like turtles Xu_R Piki: mdawkins and JMiahMan were willing to let Trinity in anyway. MutantTurkey who is JMianMan? Piki Xu_R: i tried to stay calm, jman didn't even appear to do so, so... Xu_R (Now, I'm stuck doing it, tyvm) Piki and they seemed very opposed to TDE when i suggested it Xu_R MutantTurkey: long story, don't get involved with it, it got ugly. Piki hence why i'm not doing it for them Piki and i'm stuck doing it for Ark Piki now i'm off to bed MutantTurkey :P MutantTurkey cya man Xu_R Piki: I am not going to go over this convo again. Xu_R Ok, night david Adios - time to get the kids in bed :) Xu_R lol Piki not worth arguing with someone who is one-sided in not seeing the stupid bullshit MutantTurkey david: alright see ya. try and hop on the IRC. its much better than boring mailing list :p Piki Xu_R: then don't,i know what happened, you apparently don't MutantTurkey samelian will be around later i am sure. david Ok yeh! MutantTurkey :) Xu_R good lord MutantTurkey Xu_R: I am out too. cya man Xu_R this is why we think Piki has paranoia Xu_R ok, cya MutantTurkey probably Xu_R lol *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *strowi has joined #trinity-desktop strowi hi *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *strowi has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop *windowshasyou has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa OMG, windowshasyou o.O kb9vqf ? *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-02-21T20:36:42Z">+b Windows_Vista!*@* </mode> *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R lol *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *mutantturkey has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey http://htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http://96.245.17.6&warnings=yes&spider=yes :) validates pretty much except for a few things! mutantturkey kb9vqf: definitely almost ready. kb9vqf Good :) mutantturkey kb9vqf: the only problem now seems to be the paypal form :/ any ideas? you might be using an extremely old version of the paypay form, do you think you could go onto the paypal website and generate a new one and send me the source? kb9vqf mutantturkey: What's wrong with it? kb9vqf Can you just ignore that error? kb9vqf I can regenerate it from this end during system integration mutantturkey well mutantturkey other than that it is perfect! mutantturkey i think mutantturkey I have to spell check it too kb9vqf Take your time :) mutantturkey I have no idea how to go about spell checking it :p *windowshasyou has joined #trinity-desktop *windowshasyou has joined #trinity-desktop *windowshasyou has joined #trinity-desktop *windowshasyou has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey kb9vqf: I think it is ready. mutantturkey kb9vqf: it is ready. i even fixed the paypal problem. mutantturkey I am going to take a break, then tar it up and send it over? *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ Xu_R hello, anyone alive here? Xu_R <--- tired person ~sigh~ doing precalculus... MutantTurkey hey MutantTurkey Xu_R: don't do <---- do /me its easier :P *MutantTurkey is tired and sick of doing calculus MutantTurkey see :P MutantTurkey website is done and validated :) Xu_R lol Xu_R I know Xu_R but I've used /me too many times today xD Xu_R MutantTurkey: get President's Day off for College or not? MutantTurkey no D: Xu_R well, then again, in college you have long breaks... MutantTurkey yes yes MutantTurkey very long breaks MutantTurkey and fridays off :) *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *matos has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey ello MutantTurkey ssh on my phone into irssi xD MutantTurkey kb9vqf:ill be sending over the website later MutantTurkey actually i can now *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *ShadowedWarrior has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ ShadowedWarrior kb9vqf: I opened up build.lincomlinux.org, you can find the current Trinity stuff there in the project Trinity:3.5.12 - as you can see, kdebase is a pain in the @$$ ShadowedWarrior (packaging rpms, of course) ShadowedWarrior oh hey MutantTurkey ^^ MutantTurkey sup dude ShadowedWarrior blah... school is immensely boring atm MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey yeah i skipped math today so i'm just chilling ShadowedWarrior hey, tis true ;| MutantTurkey website is finished. :) ShadowedWarrior *:| MutantTurkey need something to do. MutantTurkey maybe start cmake work :p ShadowedWarrior MutantTurkey: :D woot! ShadowedWarrior That would be nice MutantTurkey yes ShadowedWarrior although you'll have to start nudging samelian about that MutantTurkey just want to get these packages for arch up and thats it. ShadowedWarrior :D ShadowedWarrior we had a 2 hour delay today because there was so much ice on the road... and I was thinking spring was finally here... MutantTurkey yerah same MutantTurkey well my high school did MutantTurkey i didn't TokRa [Looking at AppleSause] BTW, will there be a TDE version for MacOS? AppleSause TokRa: why would there be? AppleSause I don't understand how that would work. TokRa why not? AppleSause because mac has their desktop. AppleSause how would you get rid of it and only run trinity? AppleSause is that possible? TokRa Ubuntu also does but... TokRa http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/KDE_on_Mac_OS_X/KDE_3 MutantTurkey to do that, we need an MacOS developer/tester/packager MutantTurkey and we need and actual userbase. MutantTurkey if nobody uses it, no point TokRa "KDE 3.5.10 is also in MacPorts" TokRa interesting... MutantTurkey odd *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi MutantTurkey heyas Piki on debian with TDE 3.5.12, i've got kopete setup with AIM, GTalk (Jabber/XMPP), and Freenode IRC, but it seems unable to connect via Jabber/XMPP through their chat server (which reportedly was setup for XMPP). first FB reported an unsupported protocol version, then it refused my connection, now i have no error to go by, and still no connection MutantTurkey odd *strowi has joined #trinity-desktop strowi hi kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Go anead and send the website to my Email kb9vqf *ahead *ShadowedWarrior has joined #trinity-desktop ShadowedWarrior Sorry for the abrupt departure... ShadowedWarrior (bell rang and I paniced XD) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay let me tar it up. *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey tim, can we get an SVN directory for our Archlinux PKGBUILDs? kb9vqf For the packaging information you mean? MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf I can't do that on the official KDE servers kb9vqf BUT MutantTurkey archlinux packaging information is held in small text files at automates the processes kb9vqf I can set up SVN here MutantTurkey you don't have write acess? Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: can I recommend gitorious.org? MutantTurkey I was talking withing the tree kb9vqf The KDE SVN tree is distro agnostic MutantTurkey doesn't believe in god? Xu_R|School very good service - git works too, you know :P kb9vqf Doesn't believe in any particular distribution MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: git hub MutantTurkey kb9vqf: we can't get a small directory Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: ew, gitorious better. MutantTurkey I understand the reason. MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: whatever. Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: lol MutantTurkey but I think we need to sort of, unite our efforts. kb9vqf Whoa, too many conversations here!! kb9vqf :-P Xu_R|School hehehe *Xu_R|School watches chaos ensure *kb9vqf panics kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i think it would be good to have on the KDE tree because 1) it takes up like >100kb space. 2) it unites our efforts 3) then me and the arch team can be on the same page MutantTurkey and you should hang out in #archlinux, like 800 people. that is crazy. kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I know the reasons (and I agree) but I don't own the server kb9vqf So I don't get to dictate what happens kb9vqf :( MutantTurkey right. MutantTurkey :( who owns it and you can only push? kb9vqf That's why I like keeping services here BTW kb9vqf KDE e.V. MutantTurkey ah. strowi can anyone tell me the state of kdm? here it keeps crashing.. MutantTurkey okay well you have your own svn tree we can work on then? kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I'll put one up ASAP MutantTurkey great. MutantTurkey and for f**ks sake, i keep top posting with gmail :/ kb9vqf strowi: SVN or 3.5.12? strowi kb9vqf: currently svn kb9vqf Can you get a backtrace? Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: you use ff? MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: i use my own browser called sb MutantTurkey http://github.com/mutantturkey/sb/ Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: nice! But if you use ff, you can download a greasemonkey script that auto-bottom-posts in gmail MutantTurkey no. ff is bloat. MutantTurkey :P strowi kb9vqf: let me try with gdb.. MutantTurkey chrome has gotten really bloaty kb9vqf strowi: OK that would help Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: agreed - ff too much memory, chrome too many processes MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey mine is simple and fast MutantTurkey it uses webkit Xu_R|School webkit makes things awesome. MutantTurkey and it doesn't split processes, instead it has threads (using webkit) so when you close a tab the webkit thread closes down and you get your memory back! MutantTurkey (other than cache) MutantTurkey which you can turn off Xu_R|School pfft, cache isn't that bad MutantTurkey not at all strowi kb9vqf: do i need to compile kdm with some debug-option? gdb says "no stack" kb9vqf Hmm. Not good kb9vqf No you don't kb9vqf That means something got seriously corrupted strowi kb9vqf: its "gdb kdm" - "run" - "bt" right? kb9vqf kdm may fork MutantTurkey kb9vqf: let me know when you get that svn thing up. also i sent the website kb9vqf Do this: kb9vqf strowi: gdb --arg kdm -nodaemon kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Not yet kb9vqf I have a packed day ahead kb9vqf We'll see if I can get to it tonight kb9vqf s/day/afternoon/g MutantTurkey okay it's cool. I'm not doing anything. *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey I've got a hectic day also Xu_R|School don't we just love weekdays? -___-* MutantTurkey -____- Xu_R|School -_________- kb9vqf :-P Xu_R|School we have interesting technical and lifestyle convos here. strowi kb9vqf: here is the gdb-output http://paste.pocoo.org/show/342927/ strowi is that really an kdm error or more glibc? kb9vqf strowi: That's not very useful kb9vqf I'm suspecting glibc kb9vqf Have you done a complete recompilation from SVN lately? kb9vqf i.e. recompile/reinstall tqtinterface, then recompile/reinstall arts, rcomp/rinstall kdelibs, then finally rcomp/rinstall kdebase? strowi kb9vqf: i am using gentoo, and just modded the ebuilds from serghei and installed today with r1221326 kb9vqf strowi: i386 or x64? strowi x64 kb9vqf strowi: This might be similar: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::1114 kb9vqf Not sure if it will help you or not kb9vqf For what it's worth I have not experienced the kdesktop or kdm crash on my x64 machines kb9vqf But I use Ubuntu and Debian strowi kb9vqf: will check it out, didn't even know glibc-2.13 existed.. kb9vqf Sorry I can't be of much more help strowi kb9vqf: np, thx ! kb9vqf np Xu_R|School bell's about to ring, end of school day :D bbiab MutantTurkey :) Xu_R back Xu_R I think the bus drive drove a bit too fast for icy roads... >_>" MutantTurkey hahaha MutantTurkey our roads are perfectly fine Xu_R pfft, we had freezing rain last night. it froze over like all our roads Piki MutantTurkey: i was on a bus last night, we got stuck on a hill, the lights inside the bus kept flickering while the driver tried to pull over, we needed help from a salt truck driver to finish getting up Piki was stuck for over 30 mins MutantTurkey D: Xu_R just realized: s/drive/driver *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *strowi has left #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *ZZRX has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="hubbard.freenode.net" time="2011-02-22T21:08:27Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-22T21:08:27Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *tbottu was going to say 'I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes' but has said it too many times today already Xu_R that many people on card.freenode.net? wow lol Xu_R kb9vqf: you better make tbottu -i it now... Xu_R ... MutantTurkey netsplits :/ Xu_R yup :\ kb9vqf Grr kb9vqf Xu_R: tbottu is sensible kb9vqf I'm not changing those settings kb9vqf :) Xu_R lol Xu_R then be lucky we don't have that many people here :P kb9vqf 5 mins lets the network stabilize Xu_R ah, true kb9vqf Avoids nick collisions, etc Xu_R nick collisions can be fun xD kb9vqf Not really Xu_R I know, it was sarcasm. :P kb9vqf They make an absolute mess of the log *kb9vqf knows Xu_R oh, ok. :P <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-22T21:13:28Z">-i </mode> kb9vqf See? kb9vqf 5 mins isn't too bad :) Xu_R hehe *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hopefully david will stop by later :/ MutantTurkey having trouble building these packages *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has left #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: it must be me be let me double check, kdebase builds fine from svn right? *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf AFAIK yes *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf MutantTurkey: The website tarball you sent over is corrupt kb9vqf Now I'm worried about a Linux virus kb9vqf Something about a 2.0MB file named "about.php" kb9vqf binary file that is kb9vqf :(( kb9vqf At the very least I'd recommend a thorough disk/memory check ;-) *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Can you take a look at fixing the bugs mentioned here? http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::869 kb9vqf If this is not dealt with I am concerned he can cause a lot of damage to the project kb9vqf :-/ kb9vqf Bug 438 is the worst tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=438 maj, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Kmail fails to poll mailbox kb9vqf Followed by Bug 428 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=428 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Low disk space warning won't go away as expected samelian kb9vqf: I planning to rewrite kmail kioslaves as well, because are really old and buggy kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Can you take a look at Bug 428 then in the meantime? tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=428 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Low disk space warning won't go away as expected samelian I will try to reproduce it kb9vqf Normally I'd try to fix it, but I'm booked solid for the next few weeks kb9vqf Thanks :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hmmm i think it was actually something with bzip acting funny. kb9vqf Hope so :) kb9vqf Try to resend it I guess kb9vqf Maybe use gzip? MutantTurkey yeah odd. MutantTurkey that is weird MutantTurkey oh actually it was neither. i think it was geany crashing that corrupted it. MutantTurkey yeah it looks like geanys bufferes were dumped kb9vqf geany? MutantTurkey its a gtk ide kb9vqf Ohhh kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Glad to know it wasn't malicious :) MutantTurkey I am die hard vim user. but I prefer a graphical editor for programming. MutantTurkey alot of cut and pasting moving around, undoin, multiple tabs and such *kb9vqf uses Kate extensively MutantTurkey as far as geany goes though it is pretty light kb9vqf Well, when you've uncorrupted everything send it on over again.... kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey the reason it is so large, is because it is every singe file that was open, dumped into it and alot of geany stuf along with it samelian kb9vqf: I wonder if config entry can even saved if there is not more room on disk kb9vqf samelian: Interesting kb9vqf You may be correct there kb9vqf BUT kb9vqf I think he'd have many other problems if he had 0 bytes free ;-) *kb9vqf is speaking from experience samelian sure samelian however, the real message is "Do not ask again" samelian is not "Never display this warning again" samelian in this case, the normal behaviour is to show the dialog again, at relogin samelian otherwise you run out of space without any notification :) samelian I think that better fix can be a threshold set by user samelian a percent threshold is pretty stupid these days samelian 4% can be easily 5G, enough for any usual task kb9vqf Yes, you are correct kb9vqf Can you modify it to, say, 500MB free? kb9vqf As a default that is samelian sure, why not kb9vqf Thanks :) samelian one more ideea, we need to rethink a little trinity notification system samelian at this moment is sux MutantTurkey while everything else is intact, it seems that about.php has been over written entirely :| samelian we can borrow the notification system used by kopete *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *ZZRX has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="hubbard.freenode.net" time="2011-02-23T22:37:57Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-23T22:37:57Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God_Z has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-23T22:39:15Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-23T22:39:15Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *ZZRX has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-02-23T22:42:58Z">-i </mode> samelian kb9vqf: so, what you think about metric vs binary representation for disk sizes? samelian 1G = 10^9 bytes vs 1G = 2^30 bytes kb9vqf 2^30 kb9vqf It's standard samelian actually, is not samelian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte samelian seems that is not very clear kb9vqf Hmm kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Let's use 10^9 kb9vqf Metric samelian in this case is not very important, because 500M threshold is not fixed very strong kb9vqf Right samelian but for future, we must agree to use just one representation, to avoid user confusion kb9vqf I think Trinity currently uses 2^ bytes e.g. in Konqueror kb9vqf kind of a legacy thing IIRC *kb9vqf is not sure kb9vqf Yes samelian right now I assume that users think in binary representation kb9vqf Looks like 2^X is currently in use kb9vqf Let's just use that for now samelian ok, put somewhere this issue, to debate it later kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf It shouldn't bee too hard to do correcly kb9vqf Just use the correct names :) samelian hehe kb9vqf gibibyte samelian but we must be sure that EVERY trinity app do this in the same way kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Currently all that I know of use the binary representation kb9vqf And the ambiguous prefixes MB, GB, etc. samelian ok, I think we have a lot broken things at this time, so we can delay to debate this thing to next releases kb9vqf Sure samelian also, we must check how modern distros count disk sizes samelian sometime ago I read somewhere that ubuntu will use metric system for disk sizes samelian I'm not sure if this happened kb9vqf let's focus on bugs for now samelian of course kb9vqf Can you go through the bugtracker and see if there are any bugs that you may be able to fix? kb9vqf I have not been able to do triage kb9vqf Too much work for one person kb9vqf :( samelian sure samelian I will try kb9vqf Thanks :) samelian I have my own list :) kb9vqf I need to make sure I didn't introduce any more bugs in the TQt conversion process kb9vqf Those bugs are hard to find and fix so I will be busy with that for a while samelian cmake will introduce new bugs for sure :) kb9vqf ugghhh *kb9vqf is NOT looking forward to rebuilding for Debian/Ubuntu. :-P samelian hehe samelian I think that "low disk space" dialog must have 3 buttons samelian "start file manager", "remind me later", "cancel" kb9vqf Sounds good *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: seems that is a problem with constructions like this: samelian TQCheckBox *checkbox = ::tqqt_cast<TQCheckBox*>( m_freeDialog->child( 0, "TQCheckBox" ) ); samelian m_freeDialog->child( 0, "TQCheckBox" ) returning NULL samelian m_freeDialog->child( 0, "QCheckBox" ) seems fine samelian I think that is because child() method come from Qt kb9vqf Yes samelian and of course, Qt have no ideea about tqt kb9vqf You are correct (again) kb9vqf Thank you for tracking that down kb9vqf I will see what I can do to fix it kb9vqf First thing will be a ->tqchild() function kb9vqf that translates like the rest of Tqt samelian we can reimplement trinity core to not use child() in this way samelian but I think will be hard to hunt all of them kb9vqf Right kb9vqf It will have to be like this: kb9vqf m_freeDialog->tqchild( 0, "QCheckBox" ) kb9vqf just a quirk samelian but next time when you will run sed against trinity code base, "QCheckBox" will be replaced again to "TQCheckBox" kb9vqf Not if I exclude quoted strings kb9vqf Quoted strings will need to be "Q" not "TQ" for now samelian ok then, I'll wait for you fix samelian today is too later for me anyway samelian there is 02:47 AM (GMT+2) :) samelian actually, if you will fix this issue, the bug #428 will be solved (at least, partially) tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=428 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Low disk space warning won't go away as expected kb9vqf Right kb9vqf I'll see what I can do :) samelian the problematic code is this: samelian void MediaNotifier::slotFreeFinished( KMessageBox::ButtonCode res ) samelian { samelian TQCheckBox *checkbox = ::tqqt_cast<TQCheckBox*>( m_freeDialog->child( 0, "TQCheckBox" ) ); samelian if ( checkbox && checkbox->isChecked() ) samelian KMessageBox::saveDontShowAgainYesNo("dontagainfreespace", res); samelian because checkbox is always null, "dontagainfreespace" is not saved never samelian actually I see a potential bug in original code samelian if res is KMessageBox::Continue, the media notifier will ignore "Do not ask again" samelian because is still true samelian or maybe is inverted logic, i'm not sure yet samelian actually my problem is that if the user check "Do not ask again", there is not way to revert this option samelian but I can live with this, for a while :) samelian gn all *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hello Piki found out from bero (Ark's head dev) that mandriva ported apt-rpm to RPM5, and zypper is having some issues right now for us, so we may end up ditching that if it doesn't work, or maybe including apt and zypper, and using one as the default Piki problems is finding something that will work in both TDE and KDE4 Piki as a graphical frontend Piki that does NOT drag in any extra deps that we don't need Piki preferrably something that will just call apt or zypper directly (or use their libs), we don't need any extra networking, hotplugging, or authentication stuff Piki and also has to be based on Qt Piki if anybody has any suggestions, feel free to let me know! Piki wow kwin on kde4.6 stable really eats up my cpu whenever i switch from one window to another *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School anyone alive here? lol *Xu_R|School has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi MutantTurkey MutantTurkey hey MutantTurkey sorry MutantTurkey about to go install linux for my friend :) Piki MutantTurkey: if his computer is old enough, Ark 2008.1! if not, dual-boot him Debian and Ark dockyard-devel ;-) kb9vqf samelian: Fixes should be in SVN kb9vqf For Bug 428 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=428 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESO FIXED, Low disk space warning won't go away as expected samelian kb9vqf: i saw kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Can you take a look at one of the other two remaining bugs that Kris reported? kb9vqf Maybe Bug 431 should be dealt with tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=431 maj, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, KDE forgets certain keyboard settings kb9vqf I don't have enough experience with xkb/low level keyboard stuff to fix it kb9vqf Quickly at any rate :-P Piki i reported something? Piki or another kris? Piki btw, i've tde svn downloaded now, on a clean build environment, just need to grab qt3 and the tqt-qt3 patch Piki kb9vqf: i think we should have line numbers in the irc logs, make things easier when/if we need to refer people to the logs, just tell them to look at a line and they can find it ;-) kb9vqf Piki: yes I agree kb9vqf And no, I'm sorry, I meant Luciano *kb9vqf has too many names floating around in his memory kb9vqf :-P Piki i have a very bad memory when it comes to names, the only reason i remember kb9vqf <-> tim is because kb9vqf is the only op in the channel ;-) kb9vqf Heh kb9vqf tbottu's an op too... kb9vqf :) Piki ok, the only "human" op ;-) *hoernerfranz has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi hoernerfranz hoernerfranz hi piki :) hoernerfranz I'm new here, trinity rocks Piki kb9vqf, samelian: more praise from the users! you guys must be doing a really good job ;-) kb9vqf Glad to hear it! :)) *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf I'm not alone anymore though kb9vqf Lots of people helping now kb9vqf :) Piki once i get the qt3 patch, i'll get started Piki though i seem to remember a missing file Piki when trying to apply the patch hoernerfranz ok, I know who is Piki from the mailingslist already, but who is kb9vqf ? Piki Tim Pearson kb9vqf The project founder Piki the lovely leader of TDE ;-) hoernerfranz ok, thanks, that was what I supposed.. hoernerfranz jst few words for me: I'm a longtime kde user hoernerfranz also active on kde-linux and kdepim-users + quanta mailingslists hoernerfranz also followed kde4.x from the beginning hoernerfranz had lots of patience hoernerfranz but slowly got fed up with virtuoso/nepomuk/akonadi bloat hoernerfranz not to say all that's bad Piki yes, i hate KDE4, they still haven't gotten stuff right hoernerfranz but just the way everything seems to go: ressource hogs Piki i'm working on making TDE packages for my distro, currently surviving with KDE4 until i do hoernerfranz slackware ? Piki nope Piki Ark Linux Piki only distro that has ever worked for me hoernerfranz ok, confused that Piki unfortunately my computer is too new for their last release, we're working on a new version with KDE4, and we want to do both KDE4 and TDE hoernerfranz have heard good things about ark, but never tried it Piki i think there are already Slackware packages on the trinity site Piki hoernerfranz: yes, i love it, and it's the first and only distro to work for me hoernerfranz once I used gentoo for awhile, but gave up due to constantly anything broken hoernerfranz now I prefer debian based distros (currently kubuntu+squeeze) Piki never had much luck with any of the *buntus, they all have problems on any machine i try them on hoernerfranz but in general, it's a shame that virtually everyone gave up on kde3.x Piki and debian feels like it's stable under the hood, but it's UI has always had trouble Piki Squeeze seems to work so far with TDE, but i haven't done thorough testing with it yet hoernerfranz hm, what do mean with UI trobles ? - and yes TDE works well on squeeze Piki it seemed like various parts of the GUI crashed a lot, even in KDE3, sometimes even X Piki and the sound always stuttered hoernerfranz ok, sounds a bit weird to me, but might be due to not fully supported hardware/lame drivers hoernerfranz I never had any total crashes (X) here, just crashing flash plugins etc :) Piki i thought lenny was supposed to support stuff made in 2009? including stuff that uses F\OSS stuff hoernerfranz lenny seems a bit outdated, nowadays (couldn't even install it on my current machine, which is nothing extravagant) hoernerfranz may I ask where you live, Piki ? Piki Pittsburgh, PA hoernerfranz ok, thanks, I'm in germany, near Karlsruhe (south-west) Piki the Ark Linux head developer used to live in germany Piki he moved to switzerland hoernerfranz well, there are lots of linux developers here, especially kde :) hoernerfranz even if in the public, everything seems to be dominated by MS Piki unfortunate but true Piki can't find a decent machine from the manufacturers because they only support wincrap Piki and i prefer laptops, but i can't build a custom laptop because all the good parts are on lockdown hoernerfranz same here, at least for the big players hoernerfranz but there are some alternatives, though, mostly webshops hoernerfranz it is also sad that the first tries with linux on netbooks didn't succeed in the public Piki we have netbook versions of various UI's in linux hoernerfranz but I still have one of the first eeepc 701, which shipped with a crappy custom linux from asus hoernerfranz but debian runs very well on it (still) Piki we may end up doing a win-version of TDE at some point in the future Piki and a netbook version Piki once we get the main stuff taken care of hoernerfranz win-version ?? Piki yeah, we're thinking of porting TDE to windoze Piki at least the main apps hoernerfranz OMG Piki provide some comfort to those of us forced to use windoze, and help get windoze users comfortable enough to switch Piki but that won't be for awhile hoernerfranz that's nonsense, IMHO Piki why? hoernerfranz I've seen everyone use firefox/OOO/whatever free software on windoze, but noone ever even is willing to try even a linux live CD Piki well, people tend to think live cds will damage their hard disk install Piki we need to convince them otherwise hoernerfranz bringing good (linux) sw to windoze will just make this monopole last longer Piki and besides, i'd rather use kopete than AIM+Facebook+Gtalk hoernerfranz so to say: free support for steve ballmer&co :) Piki we won't be able to port all TDE features over to windoze, it won't support everything *mutantturkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey_ o/ mutantturkey_ Piki: you around still? Piki and we can say we don't support windoze, so try it on linux to get every feature + support Piki mutantturkey_: yep mutantturkey_ say, what are we talkin about? mutantturkey_ yeah, F windoze support. mutantturkey_ Piki: did you resolve the situation we discussed? hoernerfranz ok :) Piki currently, a debate on whether or not to port TDE to windoze mutantturkey_ ah mutantturkey_ how would that even work? Piki mutantturkey_: not yet, currently emailing with someone about it *kb9vqf would NOT help with the Window$ port mutantturkey_ and or, why the heck would you want it? Piki mutantturkey_: same as KDE4 win port mutantturkey_ D: hoernerfranz @kb9vqf: thumbs up ;-) mutantturkey_ i can't imagine windoze being any slower. Piki mutantturkey_: well, if i'm forced to use windoze, at least i could get a bit of comfort by using TDE mutantturkey_ anyway, whats going on here? oh and kb9vqf i fixed up that bzip and have it ready to go. just gotta email it. Piki mutantturkey_: TDE would be faster than the KDE4 win port, of course ;-) mutantturkey_ Piki: obviously ;( mutantturkey_ bad keyboard. lol supposed to be a :) kb9vqf Right, I do understand, but unless Trinity is fully LGPL licensed and we can profit from sales to Windows users I don't really see it helping the project at all Piki kb9vqf: well, i guess once i learn to code, i could head the win port mutantturkey_ Piki: DON' Piki why would it need to be lgpl? mutantturkey_ DON'T Piki mutantturkey_: why not? mutantturkey_ the amount of time to do so is ridiculous. kb9vqf Err...I guess it wouldn't mutantturkey_ I mean, think about how many people are just working on the KDE4 port. kb9vqf Public domain is more likely mutantturkey_ i mean, tbh we should consolidate our efforts kb9vqf Anyway it wouldn't happen : kb9vqf :) mutantturkey_ to provide the best linux interface kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf BUT kb9vqf I won't stop someone who wants to work on it kb9vqf That's the KDE4 mentality mutantturkey_ right. Piki mutantturkey_: oh i'd still be helping with the linux version mutantturkey_ waste of time though I say :P mutantturkey_ yeah kb9vqf It's up to Piki what he wants to do mutantturkey_ but kde 3.5 is a giant codebase that really needs more devels, so splitting the effort at this point, i see as hurting the project. kb9vqf Just because you or I don't want to work on something doesn't mean he can't kb9vqf And yes kb9vqf BUT Piki kb9vqf: if it's already GPL, it can't be public domain, it's in one of their clauses, and it's also there we can sell it mutantturkey_ rather than having two half assed versions, we could come up with a really kick ass environment for linux kb9vqf Piki: I know, I know kb9vqf I wrote a half formed idea :-P Piki mutantturkey_: we wait until some of the key issues are taken care of, then i start the win port kb9vqf mutantturkey: If we tell the devels what they can't do we risk losking them entirel mutantturkey_ :) kb9vqf *entirely mutantturkey_ right. kb9vqf Who knows Piki and hopefully by then, we'll have more devel Piki s kb9vqf When he fixes Window$ bugs some Unix bugs might be fixed as well mutantturkey_ I think, that Trinity has potential to gain mass support from linux. kb9vqf I would hope so mutantturkey_ because frankly there are alot of old warts who love 3.5 (no offence) and it is a modern desktop that is customizable kb9vqf I know of old, middle-aged, and young warts on Trinity :) mutantturkey_ so. if we make it kick ass, we could really have the project take off as one of the "big 4" Piki well, if we do sell it in the windoze world and people see that it works well and is free in linux, they may switch kb9vqf Yeah mutantturkey_ Piki: nah mutantturkey_ sorry. t mutantturkey_ i don't think that would happen mutantturkey_ the whole concept of a desktop environment is completely foreign to them. kb9vqf I don't know mutantturkey_ but maybe. Piki yeah, but they may still decide to try it mutantturkey_ It wouldn't hurt mutantturkey_ what do you mean, sell it? kb9vqf As a former Windows user I did try to run KDE on Windows kb9vqf Or rather looked for a way to do it kb9vqf I couldn't find one so I stayed with Windows kb9vqf Wasn't willing to make a full switch at the time Piki mutantturkey_: as in, provide it to windoze users for a price, like with any win software Piki kb9vqf: cygwin kb9vqf Yeah, but it was too complex for me at the time kb9vqf Make the build environment completely horrid so that people will want to pay for the binaries ;-) mutantturkey_ i hear cygwin is awful and dead kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf It is mutantturkey_ Piki: how would you sell it? mutantturkey_ i mean, its open soure kb9vqf See above :) ^^ mutantturkey_ I think that would just turn people off mutantturkey_ "look at those jerks selling it" kb9vqf Most Windows users want binaries, not source Piki mutantturkey_: it's Free Software, look it up at gnu.org mutantturkey_ it would come back to hurt us. kb9vqf I dunno kb9vqf It's a long way off anyway kb9vqf Vaporware kb9vqf ATM mutantturkey_ I don't think we should focus on windows yet anyway. mutantturkey_ plenty of bugs to clear up anyways :P Piki besides, most win users don't know what Free Software or Open Source is mutantturkey_ (which i keept meaning to get a jump on) kb9vqf And most won't want to build from source mutantturkey_ Piki: they have no concept of it. Piki that's why i say "in the future" mutantturkey_ 99% won *kb9vqf is speaking from experience mutantturkey_ won't know how mutantturkey_ hell, i don't know how on windows Piki mingw kb9vqf So that's how you sell it Piki win port of gcc kb9vqf Sell the binaries kb9vqf Subscription model or similar kb9vqf Proceeds to benefit the project developers :) Piki bring in funding for TDE development ;-) mutantturkey_ hmmm mutantturkey_ well. mutantturkey_ I don't like the idea. Piki but like i said, not till we get further down the road kb9vqf Much further mutantturkey_ I think we should instead provide support for cash Piki and even if we don't make it public mutantturkey_ like kb9vqf Anyone up to pick through the bugtracker? mutantturkey_ "25 bucks a year and we will have phone call assistance, etc" mutantturkey_ i mean that is what people, and buisnesses want Piki we can still use it among ourselves, when we're forced to use windoze, and if someone sees us, tell them it's available in linux Piki mutantturkey_: or, perhaps, pay for the current release, free upgrades, free support, we can setup a google voice account hoernerfranz interesting debate :) Piki but we can worry about that in the future when the time comes *kb9vqf notes that users are up and donations are down so we will have to think of other ways to bring in funding hoernerfranz but i'll leave now, have to get up at 6 am tomorrow, good night kb9vqf gn mutantturkey_ yes exactly mutantturkey_ something along the lines of support i think is a good idea kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf I don't have time myself though Piki even if we don't make it public, i still think i'll do it anyway, i'll still want that little bit of comfort in wincrap mutantturkey_ if you don't mind, how much has the project pulled in from donations? kb9vqf mutantturkey_: It depends greatly kb9vqf This month was a whopping $15 mutantturkey_ D: mutantturkey_ total? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf It really fell off from last year mutantturkey_ last year it was? kb9vqf Last year was over $1000 mutantturkey_ :) mutantturkey_ thats nice kb9vqf Enough to pay for service and the build farm kb9vqf Well, part of it anyway Piki i'd donate if i had money kb9vqf Devels don't need to donate :) mutantturkey_ okay, well we need to pull up donations, the 3.5.12 will pull up cash donations *hoernerfranz has left #trinity-desktop mutantturkey_ just stick a big (donate here!) thing on the 3.5.12 download page Piki kb9vqf: i'm not a TDE devel, at least not yet *kb9vqf knows mutantturkey_ i just sit here and troll :P kb9vqf And do the web stuff *mutantturkey_ pretends to help, really just offers useless ideas mutantturkey_ right. mutantturkey_ that too! *kb9vqf should clarify that the $1000 was total for the year Piki once Ark gets a release out, i'll hopefully have more time to actually test TDE, right now the only testing i can do is needed so we can have packages\ mutantturkey_ Piki: exactly Piki i also have to test Ark since we've yet to release mutantturkey_ once we sart getting david to do regular builds, arch users will help out more mutantturkey_ we are extremely helpful :) mutantturkey_ I swear, Arch is 90% developers. I don't know anyone from #archlinux who doesn't know at least a bit of programming. mutantturkey_ we love helping out, and if we get trinity in our repos, that means that we will have a good userbase. Piki i could be that one person if i had time to figure out the networking mutantturkey_ Piki: how is ark progressing? Piki slow, but we're almost there i think Piki apparently mandriva ported apt-rpm to RPM5, which will make things easier Piki we'll still need a GUI app though Piki one that doesn't pull in the unnecessary deps mutantturkey_ what have you looked at? mutantturkey_ any that are pulling in those bad deps? I could rewrite them to not use them mutantturkey_ if they aren't critical. Piki we already have our PAM modules for authentication, we have our own networking through which apt/zypper can use Piki mutantturkey_: nothing yet mutantturkey_ I think i provided some links a while back mutantturkey_ what is your backend like Piki we just need something in Qt that can just call on apt or zypper mutantturkey_ the library, what is it? Piki if we use zypper, it will be libzypp mutantturkey_ ah Piki dunno for apt mutantturkey_ then use synaptic mutantturkey_ or Piki synaptic is GTK mutantturkey_ there is a kubuntu alternative to synaptic Piki not Qt mutantturkey_ i think kb9vqf mutantturkey_: There used to be Adept kb9vqf Adept uses outdated backend libs though kb9vqf And the interface, frankly, STINKS Piki apt-get is in debian/ubuntu, and apt-rpm allows it to interface to RPM mutantturkey_ what is the bakend libs mutantturkey_ ? kb9vqf libept kb9vqf and friends mutantturkey_ libept? i am unfamiliar kb9vqf It's a deb parsing library Piki apparently mandriva ported apt-rpm to rpm5, which is what we use kb9vqf Hang on kb9vqf Do you use .deb or .rpm? Piki rpm5 kb9vqf Oh kb9vqf Sorry mutantturkey_ what is mandrivias frontend? kb9vqf Adept is only .deb AFAIK Piki dunno Piki haven't used mandriva Piki at least not for any considerable length of time mutantturkey_ hmmm kb9vqf kpackage mutantturkey_ use that? kb9vqf Dunno if it's a full manager yet mutantturkey_ why reinvent the wheel? kb9vqf kpackage looks like a full package manager (like Synaptic) kb9vqf I think it has RPM support too Piki kpackage looked a bit scary when i first started linux mutantturkey_ use it! kb9vqf It isn't the friendliest to be sure Piki we want something that is good for new users kb9vqf So modify the UI kb9vqf Add a "simple mode" Piki with what man power? kb9vqf Dunno kb9vqf Just a thought kb9vqf So you don't have to rewrite all the backend stuff Piki our only coder is already extremely busy with work, he's barely making progress with Ark development kb9vqf Sounds like me :-P Piki we were using Kynaptic, but that's qt3, and was always crashing Piki we're doing both TDE and KDE4 mutantturkey_ Don't call me a jerk, but what is the purpose of resurrecting Ark? (jw i never used it) Piki it never died Piki we're not resurrecting it, we're trying to make a new release mutantturkey_ oh sorry mutantturkey_ i am confused the Piki most of these distros aren't newbie friendly, and the ones that are don't work too well mutantturkey_ my mistake mutantturkey_ ubuntu D: kb9vqf Piki: I would honestly go with kpackage and if time could be found just move some GUI elements around mutantturkey_ who is the webadmin? Piki we want to make something newbie friendly that actually works mutantturkey_ Piki: i could help with kpackage mutantturkey_ probably Piki mutantturkey_: ubuntu doesn't work Piki not on any of our systems mutantturkey_ if it is in the internest of of Trinity. kb9vqf I would start by making the treeview into a januswidget mutantturkey_ but trinity is agnostic so kb9vqf For categories Piki or any of other systems i put it one kb9vqf Then add another listview that shows all packages in the current category mutantturkey_ ubuntu software center kicks ass mutantturkey_ I just saw it for the first time last week. mutantturkey_ great for new users. Piki kb9vqf: if we could get help, make it actually friendly toward new users so they can use it easily, fine, but we've no time kb9vqf Piki: Right, I was talking to mutantturkey :) Piki mutantturkey_: i'm the ark webmaster kb9vqf Otherwise I know of no programs in existence that will do what you want Piki and i have the assistance of jo-fluff mutantturkey_ do you like drupal? mutantturkey_ I haven't used it. but i've heard good things Piki i may start a new GUI replacement for apt AFTER the ark release Piki mutantturkey_: yes, drupal works great mutantturkey_ cool cool kb9vqf Right kb9vqf AFTER the release consider modifying kpackage then :) kb9vqf It will save you a lot of backend hassle Piki kb9vqf: but we need something for the current release kb9vqf I do not know of anything in existence ATM for the RPM platform kb9vqf Sorry :( Piki besides, i may make the GUI <-> APT interface, separate mutantturkey_ okay i am off. gotta reboot this baby. mutantturkey_ Piki: smart idea. Piki make it easy to port it to other systems Xu_R whoo, back *Xu_R is tired from school mutantturkey_ anyway tty guys later. kb9vqf i'll send over the new bzip Piki let me know if you need help with kpackage mutantturkey_ Xu_R: go sleepy :) kb9vqf OK thanks :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: did that yesterday. today too much hw >_< *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R grr. *Xu_R kicks his server Xu_R damn lighttpd died again kb9vqf *Xu_R's server bites back kb9vqf :) Xu_R eek! Xu_R since when did my server have teeth...? *Xu_R looks into its mouth XD Piki stupid kde-apps.org, keeps wanting me to download safari.jsp Xu_R Piki: O_o Xu_R Guessing you're using Konqueror? Piki hmm, can't even find an apt-get frontend there, might have to do one myself before we release anyway Piki but that'll have to wait, about to start work Xu_R tbottu: tell Piki you /ignore 'd me again? .-. tbottu Xu_R: Sorry, I've no idea what 'tell Piki you /ignore 'd me again? .-' might be. *Xu_R has no idea how to operate tbottu kb9vqf You can't do that Xu_R o. kb9vqf Xu_R: tbottu won't repeat non-op text Xu_R no wonder. Xu_R Well, I have a feeling Piki /ignore'd me again... w/e. lol. Don't really care in the end. kb9vqf Yeah kb9vqf Don't worry about it kb9vqf It's probably better this way Xu_R kb9vqf: true. *kb9vqf doesn't want the channel exploding Piki anway, time to go *Piki has left #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: hehe. exploding isn't good XD kb9vqf That old saying IS true....herding programmers is like herding cats kb9vqf :-P Xu_R lol Xu_R kb9vqf: this is what threw Piki off the edge: http://groups.google.com/group/ul-developers/browse_thread/thread/6eb16f91236a25c7/5a65fbe3978a05ca?q=kde3&lnk=ol& Xu_R It's this fight between developers... Xu_R read it over if you want to understand the situation Xu_R brb dinner kb9vqf Hmm....the most interesting thing there is the mention of "trash code" kb9vqf So anything not based on the (severely limited) Qt4 API is now "trash"?? kb9vqf Qt4 did more harm to the Linux open source model than Microsoft or Apple could ever have done :-/ kb9vqf In that it has caused so much existing work to be thrown out the window kb9vqf What's next, throwing out the entire kernel because it's based on C and not C++??? kb9vqf If anything Qt4 seems to bring out everything that's WRONG about open source kb9vqf :((( kb9vqf When I read things like that I don't want to work on open source projects any more kb9vqf But then my alternative is Windows$$$$$$$$ so I am between a rock and a hard place kb9vqf Anyway, just my $0.02 kb9vqf Back to your regulary scheduled programming Xu_R damnit, forgot to put the stove to high instead of low... Xu_R kb9vqf: true. hmm... truthfully, in my 2 cents I see Piki always taking a defensive stance as if everything is insulting him.. :-\ *Xu_R sighs Xu_R ok, *changes back to regular programming* *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: why are we porting to qt4 again then? MutantTurkey I mean would it be better or worse to try and keep qt3 updated? kb9vqf WORSE kb9vqf I'm extending the Qt4 API kb9vqf We need the improved graphics support MutantTurkey then why are we doing it? MutantTurkey (sorry i just am confused) MutantTurkey qt3 we think is better, so why drop it? MutantTurkey has anyone tried out qtFM? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=97669 MutantTurkey its a small qt file manager kb9vqf Well, we're note actually dropping Qt3 kb9vqf *not kb9vqf We're porting Trinity to TQt kb9vqf Which then can use any Qt backend available kb9vqf (in theory) MutantTurkey right. MutantTurkey well MutantTurkey well then in (theory) couldn't it use gtk? kb9vqf Not without a LOT of effort kb9vqf As in a large team of well trained and paid programmers MutantTurkey :P MutantTurkey then it won't really be backend agnostic? kb9vqf It's QT agnostic kb9vqf Not toolkit agnostic kb9vqf There's a difference kb9vqf :) Xu_R kb9vqf: hey, is there any chance that you could release a test live cd with Qt4? ;) kb9vqf Nowhere near ready kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf All I have that's even TQt ported is arts, kdelibs, kdebase kb9vqf I can't log out kb9vqf And there are all kinds of graphical glitches still Xu_R we're risktakers, kb9vqf. :P kb9vqf Some of the Trinity code is quite nasty and tries to access Xorg directly :-{ kb9vqf Well if you want to make one I can't stop you Xu_R I'm guessing remanants of KDE3? kb9vqf But I'm not going to yet :) kb9vqf Well the entire project is remnants of KDE3 ;-) kb9vqf But yes kb9vqf Hacks around missing Qt3 functionality mostly Xu_R ah. MutantTurkey hahah :P MutantTurkey is qt4 just dumbed down? MutantTurkey lacks important and helpful qt3 functions? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Essentially kb9vqf It removes a lot of painting functions kb9vqf And there are a TON of class/method name changes MutantTurkey ah okay kb9vqf A lot of the widgets that can't be used on mobile phones are removed kb9vqf or make large and clunky MutantTurkey gonna go play around with it now. kb9vqf *made MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey bbs kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Just fixed the Konqueror icon activation effect on Qt4 :) kb9vqf Now to figure out why KWin keeps exiting with no error.... *kb9vqf notes that kwin quits when it shouldn't and ksplash doesn't quit when it should.....isn't programming fun?? ;-P Xu_R of course it's fun. XD lol *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ Xu_R wb MutantTurkey *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ odd disconnect Xu_R o.o MutantTurkey_ I hopped onto David Rankins/ the othe guy thread about Arch+ Kdemod3 + whatever + trinity and did a bit of Public Relations work MutantTurkey_ https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=896139#p896139 MutantTurkey_ hopefully i can maintain some sort of 'offical' (not really but whatever) presence to reassure people a bit. Xu_R MutantTurkey_: 3.5.13 may be postponed, but the public relations work is great :D MutantTurkey_ yeah of course MutantTurkey_ the trick is getting people on our side kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf Keep up the good work kb9vqf Whoa kb9vqf There goes your doppelganger kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey_ :P Xu_R lol MutantTurkey_ my dad is a PR guy so i know some tricks of the trade kb9vqf Well, you can be official PR guy then kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey_ :P MutantTurkey_ yay! Xu_R :D MutantTurkey_ at least i'd like to be some sort of Arch Liason kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf We need someone out in the community MutantTurkey_ yo. i am down to do that. kb9vqf Making sure problems don't get out of hand, etc. MutantTurkey_ I love people, I love trolling around. kb9vqf Works for me MutantTurkey_ honestly I like programming but talking is better for me Xu_R lol, trolling around ;) MutantTurkey_ well, you know. MutantTurkey_ being to serious is never good. Xu_R true. Xu_R exactly why I can't do stuff like that XD MutantTurkey_ xD MutantTurkey_ well being serious is also very good Xu_R I feel like the warden... xD MutantTurkey_ lol MutantTurkey_ my whole k control center is empty D: kb9vqf Now now, we all know that's MY job ;-) kb9vqf ? kb9vqf What did you do? Xu_R lol kb9vqf MutantTurkey_ Settings -> Control Center MutantTurkey_ nothing comes up on the left. am i missing something? kb9vqf Well, yes, but I guess it was working before? MutantTurkey_ D: It may be a Arch problem (actually it probably is) kb9vqf You probably don't have an XDG variable or two set MutantTurkey_ any specific ones? kb9vqf That's a packaging problem (as you surmised) kb9vqf Hang on kb9vqf These are mine: kb9vqf MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man: kb9vqf LD_PRELOAD=/opt/kde3/lib/kgtk/libkgtk2.so: kb9vqf KDEDIR=/opt/kde3/ kb9vqf XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=:/opt/kde3/etc/xdg/:/etc/xdg/ kb9vqf PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games kb9vqf KDEDIRS=/opt/kde3/:/usr/ kb9vqf XDG_DATA_DIRS=:/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ kb9vqf I would suspect KDEDIR, XDG_DATA_DIRS, KDEDIRS kb9vqf That and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS MutantTurkey_ okay let me see kb9vqf If those are all OK then you might very well be missing the kcontrol .desktop files MutantTurkey_ where are those? Xu_R kb9vqf: Hm, sometime I think it might be a good idea to move /opt/kde3/etc/xdg to /etc/xdg - merge them... kb9vqf /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/ kb9vqf On my system of course kb9vqf Your paths will be different kb9vqf Xu_R: Someday.... Xu_R kb9vqf: We can dream... kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Or we can get really angry at, say, DCOP MutantTurkey_ its full. MutantTurkey_ of desktop files. kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey_ let me check my envs kb9vqf Then your environment variable(s) are wrong MutantTurkey_ hold up flooded basement Xu_R kb9vqf: hey, that sounds nice. let's bash dcop :P kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I tried to port to DBUS Xu_R actually, let's bash dcop into dbus so that they fit together XD kb9vqf DBUS is more limited kb9vqf No global broadcast ability (!) kb9vqf Makes things.....interesting kb9vqf I kind of gave up kb9vqf DCOP is one of a kind MutantTurkey_ dbus is awesome! *Xu_R sighs MutantTurkey_ well. easy as hell to use kb9vqf So is DCOP :) Xu_R I'm not surprised that dbus had that limit MutantTurkey_ plus if we used dbus, gnome people like us. Xu_R truthfully. kb9vqf It's very useful though Xu_R They've made dbus so that it's easier to use via wrappers such as dbus-glib... MutantTurkey_ I am comfortable with dbus, merely because i know what it is. all these different things confuse and scare users. kb9vqf I've written all kinds of cool apps with DBUS MutantTurkey_ Xu_R: yeah kb9vqf using global user broadcast MutantTurkey_ we need some serious theme work. MutantTurkey_ defalts look like windoze D: MutantTurkey_ defalts look like windoze D: MutantTurkey_ sorry' kb9vqf I like it that way :P *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey I am just not doing well. everything seems to be acting up aha MutantTurkey PATH=/opt/trinity/bin:/opt/trinity/bin:/home/calvin/GNUstep/Tools:/opt/GNUstep/Local/Tools:/opt/GNUstep/System/Tools:/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl:/opt/qt/bin Xu_R MutantTurkey: revenge of the irc client xD MutantTurkey kb9vqf: sorry i lost what you had for path, does mine look okay? kb9vqf PATH is OK kb9vqf It doesn't matter for tis kb9vqf *this MutantTurkey what else did you have? MutantTurkey very sorry. irc messed up kb9vqf [21:01] <kb9vqf> MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man: kb9vqf [21:01] <kb9vqf> LD_PRELOAD=/opt/kde3/lib/kgtk/libkgtk2.so: kb9vqf [21:01] <kb9vqf> KDEDIR=/opt/kde3/ kb9vqf [21:01] <kb9vqf> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=:/opt/kde3/etc/xdg/:/etc/xdg/ kb9vqf [21:01] <kb9vqf> PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games kb9vqf [21:01] <kb9vqf> KDEDIRS=/opt/kde3/:/usr/ kb9vqf [21:01] <kb9vqf> XDG_DATA_DIRS=:/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ kb9vqf [21:02] <kb9vqf> I would suspect KDEDIR, XDG_DATA_DIRS, KDEDIRS MutantTurkey KDE_DIRS checks out MutantTurkey XDG_DATA_DIRS are okay also MutantTurkey KDEDIR is also okay kb9vqf XDG_CONFIG_DIRS? MutantTurkey LD_PRELOAD is empty but i don't know how that would be related kb9vqf It's not kb9vqf XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is probably wrong kb9vqf IMHO MutantTurkey XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg:/opt/trinity/etc/xdg/:/etc/xdg/ kb9vqf And is kde-settings.menu in /opt/trinity/etc/xdg/ kb9vqf or /opt/trinity/etc/xdg/menus/? MutantTurkey lemmie heck MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf Huh kb9vqf I don't know then kb9vqf :( MutantTurkey :( wahhh MutantTurkey I'll ask David, if his is broken also, we know it is archlinux. kb9vqf Sorry MutantTurkey it's fine MutantTurkey svn builds, breakage is expected :) Xu_R ack, damnit, drupal is migrating to git from cvs :| MutantTurkey Xu_R: D: MutantTurkey whaaaaaaaaaat why? MutantTurkey Piki is a big drupal fan also Xu_R MutantTurkey: I introduced Piki to drupal MutantTurkey that explains it :) Xu_R he may be a big fan, but he still doesn't know how to use it fully ;) Xu_R and they're migrating to git because it just seems smoother MutantTurkey everything takes time to learn Xu_R which means I cannot grab zen atm ._. MutantTurkey what i expect from my versioning control system (cvs git svn whatever) is to NOT EXIST. MutantTurkey if i have to even think about it, it is bad. MutantTurkey i want a nice easy commit and push. Xu_R MutantTurkey: agreed. MutantTurkey smoother the better kb9vqf svn commit :)( MutantTurkey yeah Xu_R kb9vqf: hell no, you have to svn add/rm/mv/cp D: kb9vqf Xu_R: Not with kdesvn Xu_R I'd rather make changes and do one simple git ci --push Xu_R kb9vqf: oh... well you're lucky with kdesvn then. :P kb9vqf I don't generally use VCS without a GUI Xu_R ah, I see. Xu_R I got used to it by the subversion-like rpm package builder called OSC which communicates with build.opensuse.org in an svn like way. kb9vqf Now I'm wondering why Qt4's QWidget::close() method won't actually close MutantTurkey odd Xu_R :-| MutantTurkey is it hanging on something else? kb9vqf I accepted the close event kb9vqf Verified with GDB MutantTurkey D: kb9vqf Then it just....stays open Xu_R :( kb9vqf Grrrrr *Xu_R is wondering why it would do tha~ oh wait, Qt4. haha. never mind. *kb9vqf wonders if it's another lovely window flag problem kb9vqf Qt4 also changed all the window flags MutantTurkey kb9vqf: kb9vqf For fun MutantTurkey does kde accept themes from ~/.themes? Xu_R lovely. kb9vqf Not sure kb9vqf I never really rethemed it from a file MutantTurkey oh :P kb9vqf I have a .kde3 directory I just replicate to my workstations :) MutantTurkey :) kb9vqf I set it up years ago kb9vqf Try it and see I guess MutantTurkey alright Xu_R hmm. It's late for me, because I've got a few tests tmrw... MutantTurkey fridays off xD Xu_R >: Xu_R lucky! MutantTurkey i work hard on tues and thursdays to have it off though Xu_R oh. That's nice. MutantTurkey yeah Xu_R Night, I'll try to checkin around 1100 and 1330 (lunch and programming ftw) and see how things are going :D Xu_R kb9vqf: btw, the topic no longer has the logs url, and the logs are wayyy to long now :P kb9vqf Huh kb9vqf That must've gotten pushed off kb9vqf And I know about the logs kb9vqf The website needs some help ATM kb9vqf I just don't have time right now MutantTurkey reminds me, emailing that now Xu_R lol Xu_R nice to send out reminders though :) *Xu_R will probably be reading the logs to see what he missed before joining tmrw :P *Xu_R has no life in doing so, but that never mattered LOL *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu MutantTurkey_ >:[ Xu_R LOL MutantTurkey_ major irc client rage Xu_R Revenge, I tell ya! :P *kb9vqf suggests a nice calming cup of tea and some time in front of the telly kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey_ :D good idea Xu_R oooh, I wish I could do that. Xu_R sadly... (looks at pile of work that he just finished and the pile of studying that he is putting off) Xu_R damn, that's some bad irc rage. Xu_R *irc client rage MutantTurkey_ lol MutantTurkey_ kb9vqf: MutantTurkey_ >:| MutantTurkey_ sorry Xu_R lol MutantTurkey_ so it looks like kwin's themes are compiled .so's? kb9vqf Probably are kb9vqf It sounds right anyway Xu_R hmm... I just figured out how I can use Piki's /ignore to my advantage. >:P (I feel like an evil person though if I do that...) kb9vqf Don't MutantTurkey_ what? kb9vqf Or I'll sick tbottu on you MutantTurkey_ who is Piki ignoring? Xu_R kb9vqf: you mean sic, right? lol kb9vqf Yes I do kb9vqf Sorry *kb9vqf had a thinkpo kb9vqf thinko Xu_R ...more like multiple typos. kb9vqf Yup *kb9vqf needs to get off IRC Xu_R MutantTurkey_: me. he thinks I'm sided with "Evil Unity Trinity HATERS" and.. yea Xu_R kb9vqf: we all need to get off of IRC lol kb9vqf Well, I'd like to keep that conversation OFF this channel Xu_R kb9vqf: yea, i'm not going further. MutantTurkey_ yeah, lets keep the fighting to a minimum :) Xu_R agreed. kb9vqf Good MutantTurkey_ I spoke to him breifly, hopefully the situation is resolved by now. kb9vqf I think i found the qwidget::close problem though MutantTurkey_ oh yeah? what was it? kb9vqf It's in my reimplementation of setMainWidget Xu_R let's just hope that his /ignore doesn't interfere with the conversation though... :-\ kb9vqf Yet another method that was removed in Qt4 :-P Xu_R kb9vqf: bravo! MutantTurkey_ :D go kb9vqf! kb9vqf I haven't actually fixed it yet, but... Xu_R D: kb9vqf knowing where it is is a plus Xu_R :=| Xu_R *:-| kb9vqf setMainWidget is not simple kb9vqf There is no Qt4 equivalent Xu_R that doesn't sound fun at all Xu_R eek... kb9vqf More Qt hacking coming up... :-P kb9vqf It could take a while Xu_R oh joy. Xu_R (sarcasm) XD kb9vqf Might explain the kwin problem as well, not sure ATM MutantTurkey_ kb9vqf: MutantTurkey_ >:| kb9vqf ? MutantTurkey_ this web client sucks. kb9vqf No kidding kb9vqf I keep getting notifications MutantTurkey_ usually its good, opera has some problems with it. kb9vqf Every time you do that :-P MutantTurkey_ how do i clone the whole ridiculously huge trinity tree? kb9vqf Download it you mean? MutantTurkey_ svn clone http://kde.org/branches/trinity/ kb9vqf SVN doesn't "do" clone MutantTurkey_ oh MutantTurkey_ sorry MutantTurkey_ I am so confused with so many of these vcs systems Xu_R lol kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild kb9vqf First SVN command there Xu_R you have to svn co http://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/trinity kb9vqf And yes, anonsvn.kde.org stinks Xu_R it's painful D: kb9vqf That's probably the real reason for the GIT move kb9vqf They're probably running the SVN server on a Pentium II or similar :-P Xu_R everyone's migrating to GIT anyway MutantTurkey_ why is that? MutantTurkey_ not everyone MutantTurkey_ many people Xu_R follow the leader! :P kb9vqf I've always found GIT a royal pain to use MutantTurkey_ me too kb9vqf Never really felt like I was in control of it MutantTurkey_ i have found them all to get it my way kb9vqf svn got in my way the least kb9vqf So I use it exclusively Xu_R kb9vqf: :-\ does that mean you'll probably move trinity to your own servers or google code/sourceforge if they migrate kde.org? MutantTurkey_ thank god for awesoem bandwidth :) kb9vqf Oh, probably Xu_R ah. I see. kb9vqf Not sure yet MutantTurkey_ thats quite a large amout of space kb9vqf I have room MutantTurkey_ when you host it, you also keep all the revisions? kb9vqf Come on, I host an entire build system Xu_R ~ kb9vqf is contemplating... MutantTurkey_ like all 150+ thousand of them? or however many commits there have been kb9vqf Yes I would MutantTurkey_ right kb9vqf In fact Trinity may get its own disk pack kb9vqf 2TB RAID Xu_R ooh. MutantTurkey_ i'll donate MutantTurkey_ for that MutantTurkey_ :P kb9vqf Would definitely help :) kb9vqf That's another interesting question Xu_R If I had money, I'd donate too :O kb9vqf Are the preserving the history when they move to GIT? kb9vqf *they Xu_R kb9vqf: if I recall, yes kb9vqf Oh, OK Xu_R svn -> git migration keeps all revisions as svn:numbers, then from there on via GIT revisioning MutantTurkey_ its actually simple MutantTurkey_ to convert MutantTurkey_ back and forth kb9vqf I have just not been happy with GIT tools kb9vqf In particular I am very angry at kernel.org's webgit MutantTurkey_ what is the state of kde games? kb9vqf They should work kb9vqf :-/ MutantTurkey_ confidence is key :D kb9vqf I don't play very many games MutantTurkey_ me neither Xu_R OK Ok, I need sleep now. We trailed on this convo too long. We are awesome like that lol kb9vqf Hehe MutantTurkey_ did just get an chess app installed on my phone MutantTurkey_ very useful in a boring situation Xu_R Night! /me falls over and dies on the floor MutantTurkey_ 3 hour bio *cough* MutantTurkey_ Xu_R: cya man. MutantTurkey_ ttyt Xu_R MutantTurkey_: have fun? o_o night :) Xu_R|Away ^ away message += epic lol. night. MutantTurkey_ kb9vqf: odd. the network just closed on me :/ gotta start the svn co again kb9vqf Now you know why I say anonsvn.kde.org stinks MutantTurkey_ yeah :/ kb9vqf run it in a loop MutantTurkey_ I am going to make an (pathetic) attempt to make a nice theme :D MutantTurkey_ gotta read old docs kb9vqf Sounds good MutantTurkey_ late night chili ftw MutantTurkey_ damnit anon from kde keeps screwing up. MutantTurkey_ my patience has worn thin, i'm off to bed. night kb9vqf gn\ *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God_Z has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School interesting. no discussion since I left... hehe. looks like we're all being productive/sleeping. XD Xu_R|School oh noes, I scared samelian away. D: *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki it appears my hard disk failed, and HP is missing my extra year of warranty Guest98920 i'm going to need to save up for a new hard disk then *Guest98920 has joined #trinity-desktop *Guest98920 has joined #trinity-desktop Pikidalto oie Pikidalto i'm going to need to save up for a new hard disk then <-- in case it didn't come through Pikidalto so it will be awhile before i can actually help with Trinity *Xu_R|School is struggling with the damn c++ random # generator... grr. Pikidalto anyways, gonna head to work early, nothing to do for a change, was about to setup my tde build environment when it failed kb9vqf New website preview at http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/ kb9vqf Let me know what you think~1 kb9vqf A number of links are broken until it is moved to production--just ignore them for now kb9vqf :) TokRa smth wrong with menu and logo positioning http://u.inga.lv/tde_pos1.png TokRa on FF 3.6 kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf Thanks for the report kb9vqf I'll bug MutantTurkey about it kb9vqf Can you leave the screenshot up for a day or two? TokRa sure *TokRa usually keeps the content for a long time if not forever when not asked to remove it earlier kb9vqf OK, thanks :) kb9vqf How is the overall look and feel kb9vqf ? kb9vqf (execpting the glitches of course) TokRa Is nice & good looking TokRa I'd suggest to remove the border around images on http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/screenshots.php kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Hang on *kb9vqf was thinking the same thing *TokRa gave MutantTurkey the axample of integrating the HighSlide kb9vqf Done :) kb9vqf HighSlide? TokRa http://home.inga.lv/MutantTurkey/example.php kb9vqf Ah kb9vqf That would be nice Xu_R|Away kb9vqf: Ilya has a patch from Novell on trinity-devel Xu_R|Away might be good to post it kb9vqf Yup, I noticed TokRa kb9vqf: it's from http://highslide.com kb9vqf Xu_R: Take a look at the website kb9vqf Let us know what you think kb9vqf this one: http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/ Xu_R saw it :D kb9vqf Oh, OK Xu_R looks like you got it from MutantTurkey, yea? looks good :D kb9vqf That was fast kb9vqf And yes kb9vqf Needs some help apparently kb9vqf But nothing too major Xu_R ah. hey, I see my screenshot there! :P kb9vqf Heh TokRa Moved: http://u.inga.lv/MutantTurkey/example.php TokRa My screenshots from a netbook: http://u.inga.lv/tde1.png http://u.inga.lv/tde2.png http://u.inga.lv/tde3.png *Xu_R has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa Another little issue with the screenshot itself: I'd rather use PNG instead of medium quality JPG kb9vqf Well, I guess we have to wait for MutantTurkey kb9vqf I'll send him over the website again kb9vqf I think we need a screenshot manager Xu_R a php photo gallery, maybe? Xu_R lightweight, flexible kb9vqf I would like something where I can just drop screenshot files into a folder with a description text file kb9vqf So yes :) kb9vqf I also like TokRa's HighSlide kb9vqf Seems MutantTurkey has a bit more work to do ;-) Xu_R how about phpalbum? Xu_R it seems that it doesn't require a database to use kb9vqf FOSS? kb9vqf And I really don't like some of the bugs that were "fixed" Xu_R yes, but it seems to be a bit outdated D: kb9vqf Arbitrary command execution? kb9vqf Ugghhhh! kb9vqf Don't think so :) Xu_R yea, never mind. I'm just reading off the list of stuff I have from softaculous kb9vqf OK Xu_R oh, this looks better. gallery2.org Xu_R no, gallery.menalto.com *Xu_R is already failing at reading kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf More security fixes kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf What is so hard about just displaying an image from a file? TokRa The "drop screenshot files into a folder with a description text file" can be easily integrated with some extra lines of php kb9vqf Right kb9vqf That's what I'm thinking kb9vqf And then integrate HighSlide and it should be what I would want Xu_R lol. everything's either too complicated or too buggy :P *kb9vqf just doesn't have the time to write the PHP himself TokRa I guess, there would be 2 files for 1 screenshot: the thumbnail and the big one? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf I can run a cron job to update the small ones from the big ones *TokRa will write it down now kb9vqf That's easy enough kb9vqf Do you want the website tarball? kb9vqf To work from that is? TokRa No need kb9vqf OK Xu_R eek, power surges kb9vqf Fun kb9vqf Where are you located again? kb9vqf Out east? Xu_R maryland Xu_R we're having periodic power surges now kb9vqf Ah Xu_R >_< TokRa kb9vqf: would you use another folder or another name for thumbnails? Xu_R too windy :( kb9vqf TokRa: I envision this: kb9vqf screenshots/ kb9vqf ./large kb9vqf ./small kb9vqf ./desc TokRa emm, what's inside screenshots/desc/ ? kb9vqf Text files TokRa filename.jpg = filename.txt ? kb9vqf So that large/0123.png has a description files of desc/0123.txt kb9vqf Yes TokRa got it :) *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R YES, POWER IS BACK :D *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R___ has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *chocolaate-maan has joined #trinity-desktop *chocolaate-maan has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey all *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki kb9vqf, MutantTurkey on http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/mailinglist.php, the RFEs link at the top leads to http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/crfe, which returns a 404 not found error Piki and the Patches link Piki currently exploring the site, looks good, just a couple broken links MutantTurkey Piki: holy crap didn't realize it was up Piki yes, but looks like it wasn't moved to the main site yet Piki MutantTurkey: i saw the link in the IRC logs from tbottu MutantTurkey oh jeez i must have missed it. MutantTurkey i didn't know tim was putting it online Piki at least it isn't the main site ;-) but still there to see if it works for general consumption MutantTurkey i don't think it looks quite like mine MutantTurkey tim might have messed with the css. Piki Forums link broken too, but that will probably fix when it's moved to the main stie MutantTurkey oh he fixed it up MutantTurkey nice nice MutantTurkey yeah Piki the stuff linked from the main site will probably be fixed when the new one is moved over MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey it will. MutantTurkey because the links are local Piki yes MutantTurkey yep Piki one trink is to go on the server and symlink the stuff in the webroot from the main site to the webroot of the new. sometimes works, sometimes doesn't Piki but of course the symlinks from the new have to be deleted before moving it over MutantTurkey when we move it it won't matter Piki yes, just a thought as something temporary for testing the new version MutantTurkey meh who cares Piki to keep people who find the the new one from complaining, and make sure the transition moves smoothly MutantTurkey no one will know about it MutantTurkey the transition should be seemless. literally copying files over, thatsi t Piki they'll know about it if they look like the logs, tbottu announces them to those who join Piki i'm a webmaster, sometimes the unxepected can come up when transitioning stuff, i've messed up arklinux.org because of the unexpected Piki speaking of which, i haven't been visiting arklinux.org in awhile, and knowing our luck it's probably broke again even though nobody's touched it :-P (that's happened before) or at least we have some spambots to delete MutantTurkey sorry i have did not realize it was in the /topic MutantTurkey yes your arklinux website needs some serious work :P edakiri Are you generating the site(s) from another markup or writing HTML directly? I'm trying some things to translate from markdown. Piki MutantTurkey: like? Piki ugh osuosl needs to get things straightened out, it's been months since i first emailed them about their mysql server Piki MutantTurkey: personally i think arklinux.org needs a more consistent theming pattern, but i've not enough time to be creating one, if i mess one little thing up, the whole site goes boom, and with just two people to keep things in check, we're not always going to get it fixed right away MutantTurkey edakiri: I wrote the website directly. very simple though *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey edakiri: there is one simple news feed, primitive and in place until we get a real one also. everything else is very plain Piki MutantTurkey: what does arklinux.org need done? MutantTurkey the drupal logo? wtf. MutantTurkey talk about looking unprofessional, it seams that your theme is some sort ofdrupal default MutantTurkey content wise it is fine Piki it's not a drupal default, it's a theme recommended to use from another user, it's a lot better than the default Piki but like i said, i think we need to come up with a more consistent theme site-wide, just no time to do it MutantTurkey I don't like the way it looks, but it is fine. i just think the drupal logo makes it look unfinished. Piki and i can't find where to change the logo MutantTurkey and what are you so busy doing :P you seem to troll around here plenty MutantTurkey I have "no" time either, but i manage to relax 24/7 xD Piki i have a constantly changing work schedule (working today in a couple hours), but i always work the same four days. i have one day each week for an appointment. two days that "might" (but rarely) be free, plus a never ending supply of chores. most of my visits to the computer, although frequent, don't allow enough time to do stuff, and i have a lot of computer stuff i need to do anyway edakiri For translating markdown sites, I've tried webgen, ikiwiki, gitit/darcsit. None of them I found suitable. Next up: nanoc. For editing HTML, Kompozer is the nicest I've found. MutantTurkey edakiri: I'm not very familiar with markdown really, for editing html i use vim or geany. Piki hopefully this week, without a hard disk to save stuff, i'll have more time to dedicate to doing some site-related stuff, but once i get a new hard disk, my projects will re-continue MutantTurkey Piki: (: MutantTurkey what kind of drive do you need? i could easily mail you one. edakiri MutantTurkey: I use geany for other things. Nice as a fast text editor. I edit files in Markdown format in geany. It highlights them nicely. *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey edakiri: I use it primarily for programming, seeing as vim doesn't really work for me to program with. MutantTurkey I like to have mouse support while programming, it is very important to me, and modal mode, while i love it. doesn't fit my style to program in Piki MutantTurkey: mainly a laptop sata with a huge capacity, but i can get my own. i'll be visiting the local radioshack and a nearby best buy MutantTurkey newegg buddy MutantTurkey never buy from a real store. Piki will save up for a desktop sata afterward Piki MutantTurkey: why not? MutantTurkey Piki: they mark up prices much higher MutantTurkey It is cheeper to buy online MutantTurkey as for a desktop drive, my reccomendation is the drive i have Piki even with shipping costs? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey usuallly less than ten bucks MutantTurkey sometimes free Piki i'd be getting rush-delivery if i order online Piki that tends to be a bit more expensive Piki but the sooner i get it the better MutantTurkey ups 3 day delivery is cheap and fast. MutantTurkey Piki: how large? Piki i tend to overnight the important stuff, and being that the laptop is my primary form of computing, i'd be overnighting MutantTurkey how large MutantTurkey of a drive MutantTurkey $1.99 shipping, 40 bucks. great drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073 Piki MutantTurkey: minimum 500GB, larger if possible, i'll have an extra "emergency linux install" for backup and for when i need something i know is stable, plus an installation for development Piki the larger the better MutantTurkey dude. 500gigs you could install every distro on the planet. MutantTurkey 500 gigs is alot of space :P MutantTurkey people i think don't need as much as they suppose. I mean the standard install comes with 320+ gigs. thats alot of storage that rarely gets used. Piki but that wouldn't allow for installing any extras, or holding the entire repository for a repo AND several svn checkouts AND some of the stuff i want to develop if i had every distro MutantTurkey 500 gigs. MutantTurkey 500 gigs. MutantTurkey it would allow you to install tons of crap lol MutantTurkey that is like 62 dvds. at full quality. 8 gigs a pop. Piki MutantTurkey: i had 300GB, and i was pretty close to getting that full, 80% when it crashed, and still hadn't compiled tde MutantTurkey D: Piki i couldn't backup any of the source stuff or repos i had, just the bare bones necessary files, so it will be quite awhile before i get everything back Piki and i was lucky i even had a backup, sounded like the head was scraping on the platters when it suddenly crashed, and i couldn't even do any kind of hard disk test (self-test or otherwise) MutantTurkey ouch Piki so 500GB minimum, larger if possible MutantTurkey I do reccommend western digital, I like them alot, they are cheap and reliable. Piki i've gotten recomendations for seagate MutantTurkey blech. Piki but yeah, with overnighting the delivery, i'd think it would be around the price of the stores Piki MutantTurkey: ? MutantTurkey i doubt it tbh MutantTurkey plus you get a much wider selection online MutantTurkey 100 bucks, a 2Tb 32mb cache + free shipping :) MutantTurkey i mean, online has a ton of different deals and such MutantTurkey you go to the store, maybe one or two different brands. a few drives Piki at least i wouldn't have to worry about sending it back and waiting if something happens, just take it right back to the store Piki just realized that i need the physical dimensions of the drive MutantTurkey all hard drives are compatible... lol MutantTurkey 2.5" or 3.5" Piki i want to make sure it fits into the computer, not whether or not it's compatible MutantTurkey no MutantTurkey 2.5" inches Piki i know they're all compatible MutantTurkey they are all the same size. MutantTurkey designed to fit into the same slots. Piki so why are there two different sizes? MutantTurkey one is laptop one is desktop MutantTurkey that is why Piki i'll be shopping around the next few days on newegg, tigerdirect, and the local computer shops, find myself the best deal possible *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop Piki wtf? 73.5GB hard disk for over US$200 Piki and yet we are selling 500GB for around $50 Xu_R_ Solid State Drive? Piki no, mechanical, saw it on newegg Xu_R_ weird Xu_R_ (i am not going to keep switching nicknames for convo, though) *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop Piki . *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Piki: 10,000 rpm i assume MutantTurkey they are extremely fast, but low storage space MutantTurkey kb9vqf: are you around? i saw the beta website. looking nice. I'll try and keep working on it *doda has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey doda: yeah, about half of us are sleeping, sundays are usually quiet doda :D doda i guess so MutantTurkey doda: more work is done via mailing list. doda i have an debian laptop, currently installing trinity on it MutantTurkey good luck! Xu_R MutantTurkey: or doing hw... >_>" MutantTurkey Xu_R: lol. gotta do my english paper D: Xu_R D: Xu_R was gonna slack off all day, then my teacher posted more work online due tmrw... MutantTurkey ouchers MutantTurkey doda: let me know if you run into problems doda aha :), i will MutantTurkey which you may. (haven't used debian with tde) ran into a bunch of arch packaging problems but thats not related doda will install it on arch too MutantTurkey yeah, not stable at all yet :P MutantTurkey David Rankin is running through it though. MutantTurkey kaitocracy has provided space for a temporary server doda MutantTurkey: arch packaging problems or ? MutantTurkey doda: yeah a bit MutantTurkey having trouble build with some new libraries i think also was a problem. MutantTurkey I've started to move them to the AUR though doda aha, i saw :) MutantTurkey yep MutantTurkey having trouble building trinity-kdebase though, it's odd since david seems to be able to build them. MutantTurkey haven't gotten any follow up on that yet, was away all weekend doda cmake port is not arch specific right? MutantTurkey distro agnostic MutantTurkey cmake port is going to help us out a ton later. MutantTurkey samelian is heading up that. doda great doda i use kde now, but it has its quircks doda and gnome3 transition will bring more folkes too MutantTurkey I think so. MutantTurkey if Trinity gets momentum that would be excellent. doda aha doda and a qt4 port :) MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey well, like i said it is under way doda aha :) MutantTurkey http://trinity-beta.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/RoadMap doda great, a pretty sane roadmap :) MutantTurkey hopefully. MutantTurkey I am hoping that having Arch users on our side will help out. we are quite the best community MutantTurkey we tend to uh, get shit done. doda :) MutantTurkey night all o/ Xu_R note to kb9vqf: that wasn't emotional at all, that was fun and games. (just pointing that out ;) too much emotional stuff, gets confusing) *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki wow, this computer's got me scared. i went through my usual struggle to boot an outdated live cd, it decided to boot with a ramdisk size of 96669 (the three 6's have me scared) doda :D Piki doda: new face here, how's it going? doda i'm installing trinity on a debian squeeze :) doda longtime kde user Piki me too, unfortunately my hard disk is dead, and i need to do some tde packages for my distro Piki on the upside, the live cd i'm on used kde 3.5.10, better than kde4 doda i use kde4 doda but it doesn't go well doda with old systems i guess Piki my laptop was made late 2009, 64bit dual core with 4gb ram, should do well with kde4, but it doesn't doda gpu? Piki and everything in it is f\oss except the wireless, so it should definitely work Piki it's an intel, don't know the exact model Piki i can do an lspci for it doda it should work doda distro? Piki Ark Linux doda ark doda dunno about that doda but i think they are lingering kb9vqf Xu_R: OK kb9vqf Just didn't want anything musunderstood on the public mailing list ;-) Piki doda: i know they're alive, i'm their webmaster Piki we've been stuggling quite a bit with a few things, and kde4 is one of them doda Piki: never really used it Piki we're not particularly fond of HAL, our head dev did a custom hotplugger, but couldn't get kde4 patched, plus a new init system (just needs boot splash compatibility AFAIK), package manager troubles, and waiting for me to package tde in my limited spare time, even when i'm here i have too much going to be much use doda why hal in kde ? doda 4.6 doesn't need it Piki doda: Ark is the first distro to work on any machine i put it on, couldn't get ubuntu, debian, opensuse, fedora........ doda ? doda how you mean doda any machine Piki doda: dunno, our head dev said they were using hal and he couldn't patch it to use his hotplugger Piki doda: i tried a bunch of linux distros on a bunch of different computers, Ark was the only one that actually worked doda wierd Piki in fact, on the laptop i had at the time i started linux (2007), it had an old ATI video card that was fully compatible with the f\oss driver, but ark was the only one that used the f\oss driver, the others wanted the proprietary one doda yep, which sucked Piki kept sticking me with a CLI, and having come from windows, i was afraid of a command line doda i started with mandriva > ubuntu > archlunux Piki i think it was a 7500 model, the f\oss driver supports anything below 9600 doda aha doda and now, on ark you are trying kde4? Piki mandriva seemed to boot fine, never really explored it, arch somehow left out dhcp stuff (i installed all the networking stuff i could find), and pclos booted, but dragged in unnecessary dependencies and slowed down considerably Piki doda: we are going to do a release with KDE4 and TDE Piki we said with our 2007.1 release we'd do kde4, did 2008.1 with kde3, so now we're stuck doing kde4, but we had it, so we decided to do both kde4 and tde doda arch installs everything needed for dhcp Piki but we had it = but we hate it doda Piki: any more info on the web ?, the blog is old Piki doda: not on my system it didn't, i had no dhcp doda net install? Piki not in /sbin /bin /usr/sbin or /usr/bin Piki yes doda you didn't select some package Piki and i made sure to include all the networking stuff i could find when doing the netinstall Piki doda: arklinux.org is our official site Piki and we have a list of recent package builds on identi.ca and twitter doda tnx Piki everything is being built for dockyard-devel, which is development doda its conectiva based ? doda like pclinuxos ? Piki no Piki it's nothing based doda yeah doda but apt-rpm Piki we are entirely independent Piki doda: rpm5, madriva only recently ported apt-rpm ro rpm5, we were trying to port zypper to rpm5 doda aha Piki we are going to try using mandriva's apt-rpm soon doda didn't know mandriva used apt-rpm Piki 2008.1 uses rpm4 and apt-rpm Piki not sure if the repose for 2008.1/dockyard are working though, people have complained about that Piki i uploaded some repodata to the mirrors, but i can't test it, my hard disk died soon after and just before that, virtualbox somehow broke itself, so couldn't install 2008.1 to check doda http://wiki.arklinux.org/Things_To_Consider_When_Purchasing_Bike_Insurance_8841 found this clicking on random page :( Piki eh? i've not been seeing any recent pages being created on the repos doda this is a random page, guess its old Piki i check almost every week Piki according to the history it's february 9 2011 Piki so it's pretty recent Piki kinda wandering why it didn't show that on any of my checks doda spam .. doda nice that you develop so much now Piki yeah Piki gonna delete it Piki the only thing i don't like about mediawiki is that i have to go through the database to delete users, i can't delete them through mediawiki Piki otherwise i really like mediawiki doda mysql? Piki yes doda thats stupid :D Piki seems everything that requires database access is guarenteed to use mysql doda yep, thats fine, but not having user management ui is stupid Piki doda: i know, mediawiki works great, it's even what wikipedia uses, but i'd think with such a large project using it, they'd at least include that one small feature, make it easier to delete spam accounts... Piki actually, i should search their plugins, see if they have one for user management Piki argh, just pulled up a list of pages in our wiki, there's a bunch of spam there Piki and they all have the same MO Piki but i've already dropped the users, so it shouldn't come back any time soon doda Piki: i think you should upgrade mediawiki :) Piki hmm? i did first week of february... they've made another release? Piki 1.16.2, we should have that version already doda Piki: plugins something ? Piki the only two plugins we have are openid and to authenticate through the forum, which has some anti-spam stuff already, but of course can't detect everything Piki both plugins are up-to-date, i checked last night Piki i should probably disable openid, we don't have it on the forum, i don't think there's a mybb plugin for some reason Piki doda: we should probably discuss ark in #arklinux , kb9vqf is probably getting annoyed with all the spam about ark lol Piki and anybody who's interested can join us there anyway *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-02-28T06:36:28Z">+o tbottu </mode> *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School kb9vqf: I understand :) Xu_R|School hmm... it's not good if there's a big funnel cloud above and there's a tornado watch, right? >_> Piki our thunder storm from last night might be moving toward you *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ o/ Xu_R|School D: Xu_R|School hold on, bbl Piki MutantTurkey_: random thunderstorm last night while i was walking home MutantTurkey_ Piki: me too D: MutantTurkey_ actually when i got right out of my friends car this morning, it started downpouring Piki Xu_R has a tornado warning and a funnel cloud Piki random mobo beep for no reason MutantTurkey_ hahaha MutantTurkey_ i hear it will be a bad storm Piki oh yeah, my mother knocked over her computer and now it won't boot, it tells her to insert her windows install disc and choose a repair. her computer has no install, just a recovery, which is supposed to be able to detect her windows install and repair it. it detects nothing Piki no strange noises, i'm thinking the head hit a sport with windows on it but is otherwise ok MutantTurkey_ is tokra around? Piki she won't let me use a linux live cd to recover her files free, she'd rather pay the geek squad to recover her files Piki MutantTurkey_: haven't seen him MutantTurkey_ D: MutantTurkey_ he is working on the website as well now, but i haven't seen him around so i can't talk with him Piki have his email or is he on the mailing list? MutantTurkey_ maybe. MutantTurkey_ It is time to put the website in a svn tree i think. Piki lol i've seen text messages using "svn" to me "seven', got me confused when i saw that, "what? you want to commit a BK whopper to svn???" Piki me = mean Piki of course the other person didn't know anything about svn, so he got confused MutantTurkey_ hahaha *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki stupid battery with no low battery notification *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf thought Xu_R was ingested by a hungry tornado Piki lol Piki kb9vqf: what was wrong with tbottu last night? kb9vqf I have no idea kb9vqf Process was running normally kb9vqf Could have been a faulty server connection kb9vqf *IRC server connection that is Piki yeah kb9vqf Personally I'm amazed that IRC works as well as it does, knowing its network structure :-/ Piki if people were willing to use jabber/gtalk, i'd say we should setup a jabber chat room Piki but i doubt even some of the gmail people know they can do jabber Piki and not everyone will want to create an account just for one support request *kb9vqf has enough chat in his life already Piki but all it takes is on ddos and we're all separated and unable to help the newbs *kb9vqf wonders where samelian is Piki kb9vqf: i'm thinking replace the irc with jabber, unless you've got other places on irc you need to be? Piki kb9vqf: hmm, haven't seen him around lately kb9vqf I like Konversation kb9vqf Don't want to give it up Piki yeah, i like konversation myself, just can't use it atm kb9vqf Also if I don't like the replacement you might not see me again on chat anywhere ;-) Piki darn hard disk, was about to start cmaking tde :-( Xu_R kb9vqf: PFFT, nah. :P kb9vqf Thought you were observing a funnel cloud? Xu_R yup *kb9vqf wishes he were so lucky Xu_R it's still there -.-" kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Not a real one I take it? Xu_R well, that tornado watch is still in effect, and the radar shows that it's a real one... Piki kb9vqf: you guys may not see any testing or packaging from me for over a month, the cat needs to go to the vet, and my mother may need a hard disk for her computer for work (and she's afraid to let me recover her files for free with my linux live cd) kb9vqf It's OK Piki i'm still looking for deals on newegg and tigerdirect, and i have yet to visit the local best buy to see what they have *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: as for jabber, whatever. sorry for being late. that is a bad idea. kb9vqf Don't worry I decided not to use Jabber already MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey good kb9vqf I like IRC :) MutantTurkey IRC is the universally accepted method of real time chat for foss/linux sutff MutantTurkey exactly my thoughts as well. kb9vqf Fairly reliable and ubiquitous MutantTurkey I think today i will take a stab at some cmake work. kb9vqf Sounds good! Xu_R what? what is this jabber talk? no! no! no! no! lol kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf No Jabber MutantTurkey doda: run into any trouble? Xu_R kb9vqf: phew, good ;) kb9vqf Xu_R: I'm not giving up IRC kb9vqf I can't prevent people from using Jabber, but I personally won't use or endorse it MutantTurkey haha. nothing wrong with Jabber, but i love me some irc. Xu_R :D kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Better alternative and all that kb9vqf More widely accepted/known Xu_R yup yup Xu_R ughh.. tired. ima head up and take a nap. just spam me like crazy if you need me :) Xu_R although i'm sure tbottu will kick if you spam too much... *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi MutantTurkey heya Piki hi MutantTurkey, any more radiation today? doda MutantTurkey: i got tired of waiting and will contiunue downloading in 2 hours doda on 1fst of the mont they reset the speed MutantTurkey doda: you are limited for bandwidth? D: MutantTurkey Piki: radiation? no I've been fine for a while. Piki MutantTurkey: i thought you were a mutated turkeY? doda MutantTurkey: yep, it slows down after 50 gb MutantTurkey Piki: not literally ._. MutantTurkey doda: jeez, I'd be way past that. if you don't mind, where are you from doda macedonia *MutantTurkey googles macedonia MutantTurkey ah above greece Piki MutantTurkey: t'was a joke ;-) MutantTurkey Piki: I know, but I get very annoyed :P my name is the butt of most jokes. MutantTurkey every time i join #ubuntu-us-pa, they go "gobble gobble" doda :D Piki i'd be way past 50gb, closer to 100gb Piki MutantTurkey: when i went around as Pikidalto, i got made fun of for being raw meat MutantTurkey :P Piki apparently it's similar the the words for raw meat in spanish MutantTurkey doda: well let me know when you do! MutantTurkey i used to go as just calvin much easier :P doda MutantTurkey: aha Piki if i went around as Kris, people would think i'm a girl (Kristine etc), and too many Kris' any doda actually, doda is my surname doda wiki it :D MutantTurkey nice :) MutantTurkey I've settled on mutantturkey, a middle school nick name Piki i'm surprised people don't make of me for Piki (you're so picky about your linux distros!) Piki doda: unless you're 24 hours behind us (it's 4:32PM on March 1), it should be the 1st already doda here its 22:33 doda Piki: where are you? Piki PIttsburgh, PA, near the east coast of USA doda so 17 hours difference doda no 18 Piki apparently facebook thinks i'm having trouble getting on, but i haven't had any trouble MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i am quite lost. It looks like there isn't a "standard" way that has been setup for trinity/applications/ David has a pdf of what is converted, but they are pretty much all different :/ MutantTurkey and frankly the cmake page on the wiki is zero help. Piki a doctor gave a patient 6 months to live. he couldn't pay the bill, so the doctor gave him 6 more MutantTurkey :p kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Sorry, I don't know how to do CMake myself kb9vqf I wish I knew where samelian was :-/ MutantTurkey kb9vqf: D: this is ridiculous. I mean it is fairly comprehensable. but they are so unorginized, each one is different kb9vqf That's not good MutantTurkey this is just in the applications arena kb9vqf All I can suggest is to read the CMake docs :-P MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey that is all fine and well kb9vqf Maybe David Rankin can offer some advice as well *kb9vqf is not sure MutantTurkey but I assume there is some specific trinity CMake stuff also MutantTurkey I will put a post on the mailing list, requesting a informal guide" maybe? kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf I know samelian tried to put the Trinity specific stuff on the Wiki kb9vqf But it is far from a how-to guide kb9vqf Unfortuately I don't have much time to devote to this project for the next few weeks either kb9vqf Been spending too long as it is :) MutantTurkey of course Piki i'd help if i could, don't know cmake though MutantTurkey I haven't seen samelian around have you? maybe i can ask him a bit. MutantTurkey Piki: me neither. it's not so complicated though *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop Piki Piki samelian: there you are~ MutantTurkey samelian: hey there Piki samelian: MutantTurkey needed you Piki cmake troubles of some sort MutantTurkey Piki: i can speak for myself thanks :P Piki MutantTurkey: didn't realize you were here... MutantTurkey :) samelian Piki: yes, i'm here :) samelian sorry for my long silence, I'm pretty busy these days MutantTurkey samelian: it is alright. Piki samelian: i don't know if you saw on the mailing list, but my hard disk went bad Piki and now my cat needs a vet, and my mother needs a hard disk samelian Piki: yes, I still watching lists MutantTurkey samelian: I was looking to get started on helping out with cmake, anywhere you'd like me to start? Piki samelian: may be awhile before i can get to cmake samelian i see samelian MutantTurkey: you can try to continue my unfinished works MutantTurkey what specifically? samelian for example, right now I want to port kruler, because I need it :) samelian if you want, we can work on it together MutantTurkey kruler. I can do that. MutantTurkey are there any specific trinity things i need to have? or any example i should look at? samelian for kruler, no samelian because all things are prepared by me for kdeutils MutantTurkey what about library paths and such? MutantTurkey ah samelian good, you have a svn copy of trinity? MutantTurkey I have just the applications area, I can copy more, but anonsvn.kde is very bad samelian ah, kruler is part of kdegraphics MutantTurkey ah samelian ok, this is prepared too samelian ok, try to get kdegraphics MutantTurkey I will get it now. MutantTurkey I want to get kdebase first though samelian you haven't kdelibs installed? MutantTurkey I do MutantTurkey I just don't have the svn tree MutantTurkey samelian: okay now i have kdebase i see the templates samelian good samelian wait, I will commit cmake files for kdegraphics samelian until then, get kdegraphics svn tree as well kb9vqf Hey, you're alive samelian :) samelian yet :) samelian sorry for silence, I'm busy these days kb9vqf It's OK kb9vqf I understand samelian I will start mentoring MutantTurkey :) kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Look who's back ^^^ kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey will do :) MutantTurkey samelian: I have the kdegraphics tree now samelian ok, I commited cmake support for kdegraphics samelian checkout it again MutantTurkey so how do i do that? MutantTurkey svn pull? samelian svn up samelian svn update MutantTurkey okay updated samelian good, check if you have cmake files in it MutantTurkey i have a directory called "cmake" MutantTurkey no CMakeLists.txt or anything though samelian ok, this is inherited from kde-common MutantTurkey okay Piki btw, while i'm working on my laptop, i'll grab one for my desktop along with more RAM, so i'll have fewer excuses to help with tde svn samelian try again, there is a little delay until svn tree is actually update samelian updated MutantTurkey samelian: yeah it seems so. MutantTurkey there we go samelian good MutantTurkey kview/cmake.... samelian open main CMakeLists.txt MutantTurkey okay samelian yes, kview was ported by be before MutantTurkey :) okay MutantTurkey okay I've opened it. samelian now, try to guess what you need to do for porting kruler MutantTurkey so to build another directory, I just add tde_conditional_add_subdirectory( BUILD_KRULER kruler) MutantTurkey ? samelian yes, but be careful, is now enough samelian yes have a section ##### user requested modules #################### samelian add option( BUILD_KRULER "Build kruler" ${BUILD_ALL} ) samelian tell me when you done samelian then, you have a section named ##### kdemultimedia directories ######################## samelian it is wrong, copied from kdemultimedia samelian I replaced it now with ##### kdegraphics directories ################### samelian note that all section labels have exactly 49 characters, please keep it as is Piki >.< Piki doncha hate those? samelian hhe samelian kb9vqf: Rankin is right, your IP is not properly reversed anymore samelian I noticed this few days ago kb9vqf samelian? samelian your email server's IP have no more reverse DNS kb9vqf Great kb9vqf That would be my ISP *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi MutantTurkey kb9vqf samelian: It looks like the reverse dns is valid kb9vqf At least here samelian wait, will check kb9vqf I used http://www.dnsgoodies.com/ kb9vqf on 74.84.118.181 kb9vqf And I get pearsoncomputing.net Piki + samelian yes, now it's ok kb9vqf I didn't do anything kb9vqf ?!?!??? kb9vqf Must have been a DNS glitch upstream from me samelian few days ago was not ok kb9vqf Huh kb9vqf Well, if it acts up again please poke me samelian sure kb9vqf I have an internal system that is very well isolated from the Internet so sometimes I do not see these glitches unless someone lets me know about them :) *Piki pinches kb9vqf kb9vqf ? Piki kb9vqf: you said to poke you, so i decided to pinch instead :-P kb9vqf Oh.... kb9vqf There's a problem? Piki nope, just because i felt like it *kb9vqf slaps Piki's hand kb9vqf :) *Piki cowers *samelian use google translate to find what "pinch" mean :) Piki samelian: when you squeeze your skin really hard between your fingers samelian yes, google translate kindly explain me :) Piki google does everything these days samelian yeap samelian it scaring me :) kb9vqf Kind of scary IMHO kb9vqf You beat me to it :-P samelian haha Piki even social networking (like myspace or facebook), they call it orkut *kb9vqf remembers that absolute power corrupts absolutely... samelian Asimov? kb9vqf John Dalberg-Acton kb9vqf The full quote is "All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely" samelian i confused the expression with another one, I guess kb9vqf Easy to do, especially since English is not your native tongue kb9vqf :) samelian hehe samelian bleah, I think I was confused it with "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. ", I think Piki kb9vqf: i think you've very well described our government kb9vqf I would hazard a guess that the quote describes most (if not all) governments around the world :-P Piki but yeah, people let themselves become corrupted all too easily samelian Piki: you must try Romanian government :) kb9vqf Piki: That's the real problem kb9vqf You are right kb9vqf Ever read "Lord of the Rings" kb9vqf ? samelian corrupt and stupid, at same time kb9vqf DMCA anyone? :-{ samelian what is DMCA? samelian ah Piki samelian: a government that goes to war against someone and forces our government on them, is seriously corrupt. look at our previous president ;-) Piki kb9vqf: nope, i saw movie one, too violent Piki not enough entertainment kb9vqf DMCA == Digital Millenium Copyright Act kb9vqf Piki: The book is much better samelian Piki: US is a global power, is more equal than anothers :) samelian i'm pretty sure that US government is more prefferable than others Piki samelian: not for long, seems that we are loosing our rights all the time, i once heard a comedian describe our Bill of Rights as a Bill of Temporary Priveleges samelian hehe Piki i'm sure if a US government official were in here right now, he'd shut us down immediately Piki yet we're supposed to have Freedom of Speech MutantTurkey net split or something? samelian freedom of speech is not very usefull if they ignore what you says :) *kb9vqf does remind everyone that he resides in the USA and that this channel is logged samelian haha kb9vqf I don't want any trouble :) samelian remove logs :) Piki kb9vqf: harry potter too, and eragon Piki kb9vqf: be lucky they don't read it ;-) MutantTurkey harry potter! MutantTurkey love the books, saw all the movies opening night. kb9vqf Just saying please be careful with too much political stuff :) Piki kb9vqf: this is nothing compared to what's out there ;-) but yeah, we do need to be careful, could spark a big argument samelian kb9vqf: is pretty scarry if a US citizen need to censure it self MutantTurkey samelian: I have been working on the port kb9vqf Well, Internet free speech is != normal face-to-face free speech kb9vqf Not here anyway MutantTurkey the cmake for kruler samelian MutantTurkey: at what point you are now? MutantTurkey hmmm I have run into a problem with arch, I can't seem to find kde-config, what path is that? Piki kb9vqf: yep, free speech on the internet is a bit more liberal, kinda hard to censor the 'net samelian Piki: you're US citizen too? MutantTurkey I am Piki samelian: yep MutantTurkey also a swiss citizen when i am 18 samelian aha :) kb9vqf Piki: Just because it can't be censored does not mean you are not responsible for what is said ;-) kb9vqf There's the major point of distinction samelian these national security things are scare me pretty much kb9vqf Anyway, back on topic now.... kb9vqf :) Piki kb9vqf: i know samelian in Romania we have't these kind of rules Piki anyways, any sites beside newegg and tigerdirect that i can look on for a new hard disk? a trustworthy one? MutantTurkey newegg. MutantTurkey use it. Piki besides that MutantTurkey why bother? Piki MutantTurkey: i want to make sure i get a good deal samelian MutantTurkey: you don't answer me, at what point you are with cmake? MutantTurkey samelian: sorry, I am stuck with some problem. unable to find kde-config :[ Piki MutantTurkey: when you have no money, saving it can be extremely critical MutantTurkey I think it is an ENV variable MutantTurkey Piki: have a job? and yes i agree. I have no money samelian kde-config is in trinity bin path MutantTurkey okay thankyou MutantTurkey what variable is that? Piki MutantTurkey: yes, but they don't pay worth crap MutantTurkey D: samelian MutantTurkey: i'm not sure in your case, you have kdebase installed? Piki they have me doing more work for a $0.28 pay cute Piki cut* MutantTurkey samelian: yes. it is /opt/trinity MutantTurkey Piki: what why? Piki and i have to deal with more crap samelian the, look for kde-config in /opt/trinity/bin MutantTurkey samelian: it is there, but I don't have the variable set. samelian what the hell, i'm the richest man on this channel? :)) MutantTurkey so Cmake can't find it. samelian set PATH to point to it MutantTurkey okay thanks! Piki MutantTurkey: dunno, i was supposed to be sales, they had me people greet, never let me do anything else despite my begging, then switched me to maintenance (cleaning the store) and cut my pay, and i now have to deal with stupid customers and old supplies, and the managers are saying that the more safe practices that everyone on maintenance uses are unsafe and that we should change MutantTurkey D: Piki i'm hoping they'll move me back, my old department is reoppening soon with the spring (i was in the garden center) Piki and this time i'll be more persistent in learning stuff MutantTurkey samelian:error, unknown cmake command "tde_add_kdeinit_executable" do i need to include something? samelian nope, you must have it samelian how you run cmake? MutantTurkey cmake CMakeFiles.txt samelian is not correct Piki even in my old position i had no money, my cell phone and internet cost a lot, and i can't even afford to move out samelian create a directory in /tmp, for example Piki MutantTurkey: build outside the source, e.g. mkdir /home/build && cmake /path/to/source samelian mkdir /tmp/kdegraphics.build; cd /tmp/kdegraphics.build; cmake /path/to/source Piki don't include CMakeLists.txt or anything, just the path to the source MutantTurkey oh okay Piki yeah, and cd to the build dir too MutantTurkey hmmm that is not working D: samelian why not? MutantTurkey I says intall FILEs given no DESTINATION samelian please paste somewhere your CMakeLists.txt MutantTurkey it is definitely wrong :P samelian for sure :) samelian Piki: but what happens, you can't find a job in IT? MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vb samelian and main CMakeLists? MutantTurkey hmmm? MutantTurkey oh okay Piki samelian: not without college, and college isn't cheap. the community college screwed me over big time too, so no one will accept me now MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vc MutantTurkey Piki: why not? community college is great Piki MutantTurkey: not here, none of the teachers knew their materials at all, the entire class would get confused, every time, every class, every semester Piki so now my gpa dropped like a rock samelian Piki: hmm, I haven't a college too, but here seems that is not a big deal samelian MutantTurkey: paste the exactly error too Piki samelian: here in america, nobody hires unless they see that you have an education samelian bleah Piki regardless of how smart or experienced you are samelian you can't start your own bussiness? Piki and for that, a college diploma is required MutantTurkey samelian: yeah it is true MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vc Piki samelian: not without a loan, and i can't get that without a diploma, and my credit is bad because i was messed with by two banks and a credit union MutantTurkey samelian: i love love love my community college ( I am in 2nd semster now ) greatest place ever. Piki MutantTurkey: which one is that? MutantTurkey or rather Piki ^^ samelian MutantTurkey: you pasted me main cmakelists MutantTurkey Montgomery County Community College MutantTurkey samelian: hmmm? you asked me to i thought Piki MutantTurkey: and then he asked for the error Piki MutantTurkey: don't think we have them here, we have CCAC, only one i know of in the area samelian MutantTurkey: nope, last time I asked for exact error MutantTurkey Piki: CCAC? in pittsburgh? Piki MutantTurkey: yes MutantTurkey you are right in my old neck of the woods MutantTurkey !! :D :D :D MutantTurkey yo next time i am out in pittsburgh. trinity partyy. Piki it's in allegeny county samelian Piki: but an RHCE is not enough? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey I know. I was just out there. MutantTurkey I know some people who really enjoy it Piki samelian: what's an RHCE? samelian redhat certified engineer MutantTurkey rh cert MutantTurkey samelian: is that difficult to get? samelian i think is not so hard MutantTurkey is it a test or a course? samelian I haven't it, there is very expensive and english are required Piki ah, well coporate america seems to hate open source samelian as I know, is a short course then an examen Piki and i don't have a lot of money to spend on one MutantTurkey samelian: I am try and get it MutantTurkey Piki: you are so negative :/ Piki MutantTurkey: i am just being honest samelian yes, for me Piki seems negative too :) MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey i am honest also. samelian Piki: you can't start your own small business? Piki MutantTurkey: unless you can find a redhat that works, and a place that would hire an open source person with no acceptance of proprietary, and find me money, i don't see where i'd get a job Piki samelian: not without money Piki i am barely living as it is samelian hmm, seems that is hard to survive in US samelian even as native MutantTurkey samelian: haha, its all about education Piki my cat needs a vet, i've got three hard disks to buy, an upgrade for one computer to buy, i've got bills to pay, and food to eat MutantTurkey Piki: do you live alone or what? and if you don't mind, how old are you? Piki MutantTurkey: i live with my mom because i can't afford to live alone, and i'm 23 samelian ah, you're young :) Piki she can't afford to live alone either MutantTurkey sounds like me in a few years. MutantTurkey I'll be stuck at home forever :/ (luckily i've been working on my basement for years now) MutantTurkey it shaping up quite nicely. MutantTurkey samelian: i am 16 :p samelian MutantTurkey: this was my guess :) samelian I have 36, almost Piki but living with my mom isn't working out, everything is my fault, and i'm trying to take over the world just because i use the virus called linux MutantTurkey yeesh MutantTurkey Piki: thats how most people view it. Piki she really needs a hospital Piki MutantTurkey: i've never seen any other parent go to the extreme or be as hypocritical as my mother, literall everything i say is a lie, and she refuses to look at the evidence to the contrary samelian MutantTurkey: I still waiting for error :) MutantTurkey samelian: sorry samelian haha MutantTurkey Piki: D: move the hell out MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vd Piki MutantTurkey: then pay for me to move out samelian don't worry, there I see how real life is samelian MutantTurkey: you did what I said? about out of source? MutantTurkey Piki: surely you could work at burger king for 7.50 an hour and rent an apartment. I know a few guys who do that. Piki if i had the money to move out, i would be out in an instant MutantTurkey samelian: out of source yet MutantTurkey Piki: what sort of hours you working? 40+ is my guess Piki MutantTurkey: yeah right, i couldn't move out at 7.68 samelian MutantTurkey: cmake /path/to/kdegraphics MutantTurkey Piki: the trick it teaming up on apartments samelian not cmake /path/to/kdegraphics/kruler MutantTurkey samelian: thankyou MutantTurkey it says build files have been written MutantTurkey now what? samelian now, nothing, yet Piki MutantTurkey: no, part time, i'm not allowed more than 34 hours, and it changes all the time, and they don't want anybody full time, "cutting costs" and all that samelian you forgot few things *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Piki: quit, work at a burger joint, apply as a full time staff samelian MutantTurkey: you see ##### user requested modules ####################? MutantTurkey samelian: yes MutantTurkey TokRa: good work on the website! :) samelian add samelian option( BUILD_KRULER "Build kruler" ${BUILD_ALL} ) Piki MutantTurkey: i worked at BK for six years, i was worse off than at walmart with how they treated me TokRa MutantTurkey: thank you, but it is still not complete MutantTurkey TokRa: it is getting close MutantTurkey Piki: well. the only solution is education :) Piki what i need is for my g/f to get a job, then HOPEFULLY we can save money to get married and find an apartment MutantTurkey apply for FAFSA. they give you a ton of money Piki MutantTurkey: yeah, but i have to wait, my gpa remember? Piki they won't accept me for awhile MutantTurkey Piki: try harder :) Piki MutantTurkey: at what? TokRa MutantTurkey: I intend to remaster the site completely, if you don't mind. kb9vqf has accepted that. MutantTurkey school! MutantTurkey TokRa: as long as it is good i do not mind TokRa I mean, the exterior would remain the same, but internal content would change. samelian Piki: don't waste so much time with linux :) MutantTurkey TokRa: for what reason? Piki MutantTurkey: i can't, nobody will accept me, my only chance is to wait until my academic suspension is over MutantTurkey Piki: how bad of a gpa? D: Piki samelian: then spend time with BSD? samelian haha TokRa The single problem is I've got a little sick this Sunday Piki i don't use proprietary at all, not even flash MutantTurkey why not? *TokRa will need some extra days to get up and complete the site TokRa ^_^ Piki MutantTurkey: 1.50 or something MutantTurkey D: thats awful MutantTurkey i thought mine was bad with a 2.45 MutantTurkey TokRa: what are you changing internally? Piki MutantTurkey: why should i trust code i can't see or use something that doesn't work? Piki MutantTurkey: well, that's how bad ccac is, nobody knows how to teach TokRa MutantTurkey: first, the css styling MutantTurkey TokRa: yes, well that has some problems samelian MutantTurkey: you added option( BUILD_KRULER "Build kruler" ${BUILD_ALL} ) ? MutantTurkey samelian: yes MutantTurkey Piki: though you can't, a blanket ban is not the solution. samelian MutantTurkey: now correct tde_conditional_add_subdirectory( BUILD_KRULES kruler ) TokRa second, the SEO related things, the unitary (main "frame" + page includes) design samelian put tde_conditional_add_subdirectory( BUILD_KRULER kruler ) Piki see, i don't be negative, i tell things as they are, even if they are negative MutantTurkey I am confused. MutantTurkey samelian: where? samelian under kdemultimedia directories MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey TokRa: hmmm. I am confused Piki MutantTurkey: well i don't give up my freedom to choose what i do with my computers or my life just because someone tells me to MutantTurkey you are not going to use frames are you? Piki and that means no proprietary TokRa Of course not, I mean no HTML <frame>, but the idea itself MutantTurkey Piki: agreed, but if it is inhibiting you from working, getting a place to live without your batshit insane mother, starting a life of your own, that maybe worth it. Piki if i could start a business now (my eventual plan), i would samelian Piki: creating proprietary software give us food MutantTurkey TokRa: oh ok :) Piki but i have to wait on school MutantTurkey right Piki samelian: only because we let it MutantTurkey samelian: okay :) samelian hehe, i'm not sure how I can create free software and eat something :) samelian I working on trinity only on my spare time Piki samelian: because the "free" in free software doesn't mean price MutantTurkey it means free beer! MutantTurkey for everyone! Piki it means freedom, the freedom to do what you want, even charge for it samelian sure, but is very hard to make money with free software Piki then do open source itself MutantTurkey anyway enough of this discussion of freedom and crap. I am trying to get this cmake thing working xD Piki instead MutantTurkey Piki: no money in FOSS. TokRa For example, there are two pages: /about.php and /releases.php. For now, they are represented as two different files using some common includes (e.g. header & footer) Piki open souce can have more limitation than free software, even that the original author can distribue it MutantTurkey TokRa: so instead you will have a frame and include text? samelian the only OSS project which make money is asterisk, I think samelian but just because Digium selling hardware for it Piki samelian: redhat, suse... TokRa My vision is to convert the internal logic to /?page=about and /page=releases MutantTurkey Piki: yes but they make money other ways MutantTurkey on support samelian Piki: RH do not make software very much MutantTurkey TokRa: D: why MutantTurkey thats overkill i think Piki samelian: for support too MutantTurkey I do not like that one bit. MutantTurkey what is the reason to do that? Piki that's most of their revenue, supporting software TokRa And use mod-rewrite then to make them loook like /releases and /about MutantTurkey TokRa: but why? samelian most of people will use your software without paying for suppoer TokRa To make the site more flexible MutantTurkey how is that more flexible. MutantTurkey i just think that makes it more complicated :P Piki samelian: i can still limit distribution to myself, as long as the source is visible samelian MutantTurkey: TokRa is right MutantTurkey about what? samelian about mod_rewrite MutantTurkey I mean I don't understand why make it more complicated TokRa For example, if one decides to change some layout, there will be no need to do that in all files, onli inside the main one (index.php) samelian is not, actually TokRa that's the way I see it samelian is easier to maintain MutantTurkey change what layout MutantTurkey the only stuff you need to change is in the header and footer? MutantTurkey thats why we have header.php and footer.php includes samelian bleah, we mixed discussion and I forget what I said last time :) samelian MutantTurkey: you changed BUILD_KRULES to BUILD_KRULER? TokRa Not exactly. For example, we do have the <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="media/global.css"> statement on tom of each page. What if we do have e need to add some extra css files inside? this part is not located inside header.php. MutantTurkey samelian: yes I did that TokRa My aim is to make the site logic more universal MutantTurkey TokRa: so just simply move it to the header? MutantTurkey if you think it will make things simpler. samelian MutantTurkey: just trust the man :) *TokRa does ^_^ MutantTurkey samelian: I do not trust anyone. TokRa TRUSTNO1 samelian seems that he knows what to do :)) *TokRa trusts the agent Mulder MutantTurkey samelian: people who know to much about computers always want to make things more complicated than needed samelian haha samelian MutantTurkey: because he have some experience MutantTurkey TokRa: and for the record, if you need to add a css file, just use sed or awk ;) TokRa samelian: I am she actually samelian and try to avoid potential problems MutantTurkey samelian: they always want to make it complicated. MutantTurkey that is why i write my own software. minimal. without problems. without anything extra. samelian then you will found that the software is too minimal and hard to extend :)) MutantTurkey samelian: if i need to extend it, i then write additional code. TokRa MutantTurkey: I guess in the future there could be a need to add some extras to the site MutantTurkey TokRa: like what? Piki samelian: build in a way to add extensions or plugins TokRa more content parts, more difficult to handle the independent design parts samelian Piki: a plugin system is not easy as MutantTurkey told MutantTurkey samelian: plugin system is evil. MutantTurkey i hate plugins. samelian hehe, as i said MutantTurkey everything i want i write into the code. Piki samelian: i didn't see him say that samelian trinity is very pluggable, actually samelian "that is why i write my own software. minimal. without problems. without anything extra." samelian trinity is exactly the oposite Piki samelian: but he did not mention plugins or extensions samelian in trinity almost everything are plugin MutantTurkey samelian: and hence trinity has about a million problems MutantTurkey the larger you let your source go, the more potential breakage samelian but, you must agree that such large project cannot be monolithic *TokRa like the Firefox way: the basic functionality + thousands of options to add MutantTurkey Firefox is awful. samelian will be impossible to maintan MutantTurkey firefox is impossible to maintain :P MutantTurkey and keeps getting slower. MutantTurkey and bloated. Piki MutantTurkey: have as little in the code as possible, let the people who want the extras deal with making them work samelian ok, please focus to cmake :) TokRa MutantTurkey: I meant it from the user's point of vue MutantTurkey TokRa: anyway, if you think it will make it easier later, go for it. MutantTurkey samelian: okay so now what do i do? TokRa MutantTurkey: ok :) MutantTurkey TokRa: but don't add anything to fancy :P samelian now, run cmake /path/to/source -DBUILD_KRULER=ON samelian MutantTurkey: stop arguing with TokRa :) TokRa samelian: it is ok :) MutantTurkey I do not mean to argue MutantTurkey just discuss *TokRa likes the pluralism TokRa In disputes the truth is born samelian MutantTurkey defending his project, I know MutantTurkey It is our project, we are a team, teams work together to make things better. samelian blabla :) TokRa Indeed MutantTurkey this is the nature of open source. MutantTurkey samelian: some problems D: samelian ok, paste it MutantTurkey CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:33 (tde_add_kdeinit_executable): MutantTurkey Unknown CMake command "tde_add_kdeinit_executable". samelian paste all samelian command you run + errors samelian about website, what I want to say is that we must to recognize our limits and let more competent person to make right job MutantTurkey samelian: I would say TokRa is far beyond my skills as an web designer. MutantTurkey which is exactly why i hesitate handing it over! the more people know, the more likely that they make things complicated and confusing for everyone else. MutantTurkey but i digress MutantTurkey samelian: http://pastebin.com/40cQBGcP samelian kdegraphics is ../ ? MutantTurkey no kruler is samelian is not correct samelian ../.. MutantTurkey ok sorry MutantTurkey says everything build ok samelian good samelian now try to make MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey hmmm samelian paste errors :) MutantTurkey odd. http://pastebin.com/XYtHTf9H samelian MutantTurkey: kruler is not kdeinit, but a normal binary MutantTurkey it is trying to build kview i think MutantTurkey samelian: oh okay. MutantTurkey so what do i change it to. tde_add_executable? MutantTurkey samelian: It still give me some error, VERSION not declared in scope? samelian I think is not, wait MutantTurkey ok samelian add in config.h.cmake samelian #cmakedefine VERSION @VERSION@ MutantTurkey in kview? MutantTurkey oh nvm samelian then samelian in main cmakelists, under project( kdegraphics ) samelian put samelian set( VERSION 3.5.13 ) samelian and make again MutantTurkey same error. samelian about version? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey wait. MutantTurkey yes, but it is about kuler samelian check if you have config.h MutantTurkey doesn't exist samelian is not ok samelian I mean, config.h must be in build directory samelian is autogenerated MutantTurkey it is not. samelian hmm MutantTurkey at least not for me :/ samelian show me what you see in build dir MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey wait kruler or what? samelian for this reason I told you to use out of source :) MutantTurkey which build dir? samelian builddir of kdegraphics MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1ve samelian hmm, please use out of source, I do not understand anything MutantTurkey I am unclear "out of source"? as in a different directory samelian yes, but seems that still in source samelian use /tmp as build dir MutantTurkey I cannot. samelian /tmp/kdegraphics.build samelian why not? MutantTurkey sorry, yes i can. MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey I have made that directory, and done "cmake ~/trinity/kdegraphics" everything is ok samelian good samelian now you must have config.h MutantTurkey there is a config.h in ~/trinity/kdegraphics samelian was generated before samelian delete it MutantTurkey okay samelian actually do not forget to run "cmake ~/trinity/kdegraphics -DBUILD_KRULES=ON" MutantTurkey okay samelian or better, "rm -rf *; cmake ~/trinity/kdegraphics -DBUILD_KRULES=ON" MutantTurkey you mean KRULER :P samelian kruler, ofc :) MutantTurkey okay i did that. samelian good samelian check for config.h MutantTurkey it is there samelian ceck if you have VERSION="3.5.13" in it MutantTurkey in the file : /* #undef VERISION */ samelian VERISION is not VERSION :) MutantTurkey yes, but i do not see where it is being generated MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey got it samelian in config.h.cmake MutantTurkey :) nice MutantTurkey goti t MutantTurkey now? samelian try to make MutantTurkey now i change dirs? samelian nope MutantTurkey how can i make in my tmp folder? there is no makefile samelian are you sure? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey there is nothing it the temporary directory we created samelian but where config.h was created? MutantTurkey and looks like 3.5.12 can't be used MutantTurkey to many decimal pointes samelian I do not understand MutantTurkey you cannot have a number like 3.5.12 MutantTurkey it is not a real number MutantTurkey because it is treated as an integer samelian this must be a string MutantTurkey I don't think so, because gcc spits out this: error: to many decimal points in number samelian in config.h you must have #define VERSION "3.5.13" samelian show me config.h.cmake MutantTurkey #cmakedefine VERSION @VERSION@ samelian you forgot quotes samelian #cmakedefine VERSION "@VERSION@" samelian actually I forgot MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey okay problem solved samelian good, next errors? MutantTurkey something odd. samelian paste it MutantTurkey it builds correctly, but it looks as if it is building kview? samelian nope, kview must skip MutantTurkey no it is building it though samelian paste logs MutantTurkey http://pastebin.com/V66y8QFq MutantTurkey there we go samelian you used -DKRULER=ON or =DBUILD_ALL=ON samelian ? samelian show me again main cmakelists MutantTurkey DKRULER MutantTurkey -DBUILD_KRULER=ON right? samelian yes MutantTurkey hmmm MutantTurkey oaky MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vf samelian seems fine samelian show me kruler's cmakelists samelian i think I know what is the problem samelian but show me kruler's cmakelists anyway MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vg samelian you see the problem? samelian tde_add_executable( kview AUTOMOC samelian SOURCES klineal.cpp klineal.h main.cpp samelian LINK kparts-shared kutils-shared samelian ) MutantTurkey what is the problem? MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey silly me samelian hehe MutantTurkey :D :D :D MutantTurkey so thats it? samelian tde_add_executable( kview AUTOMOC samelian you pasted it from kview MutantTurkey i fixed it MutantTurkey yes I have changed it to kruler samelian good, now must be ok MutantTurkey now it builds. MutantTurkey It builds 100% :0 MutantTurkey :) samelian now we must to refine cmakelists MutantTurkey explain? samelian so, you must follow Makefile.am samelian first samelian open it MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey I've looked at it before samelian you see some directives in it MutantTurkey install some files samelian bin_PROGRAMS meaning that is ordinary binary program samelian so, use tde_add_executable samelian then samelian kruler_METASOURCES samelian so, use AUTOMOC samelian kruler_LDFLAGS samelian kruler_LDFLAGS = $(all_libraries) $(KDE_RPATH) samelian in this case, just ignore it samelian kruler_LDADD = $(LIB_KDEUI) MutantTurkey D: you have lost me MutantTurkey sorry ;P samelian meaning that we need only LINK kdeui-shared samelian where i'm lost you? :) MutantTurkey oh okay samelian when you build CMakeLists.txt you must followe Makefile.am, very closely MutantTurkey so we only need to link kdeui-shared MutantTurkey what about adding those files samelian yes samelian which one? MutantTurkey if you look at Makefile.am it seems the sound file samelian yes, you must install it too MutantTurkey as well ass eventsrc MutantTurkey how do i do that? MutantTurkey same exact way? samelian but one step at a time :) MutantTurkey okay :) samelian then, you see samelian kruler_SOURCES = klineal.cpp main.cpp samelian so, as sources use just klineal.cpp main.cpp samelian remove klineal.h samelian also, do not forget DESTINATION directive samelian binary files going to ${BIN_INSTALL_DIR} samelian so write samelian DESTINATION ${BIN_INSTALL_DIR} MutantTurkey no klineal.h? samelian nope, this is header, cannot be compiled MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey add DESTINATION to tde_add_executable? samelian yes samelian correct code is this: MutantTurkey added samelian tde_add_executable( kruler AUTOMOC samelian SOURCES klineal.cpp main.cpp samelian LINK kdeui-shared samelian DESTINATION ${BIN_INSTALL_DIR} samelian ) MutantTurkey got it MutantTurkey that is what i have now samelian good samelian now we must install other files samelian there I have a set of templates samelian http://www.thel.ro/trinity/templates/ samelian check this one samelian http://www.thel.ro/trinity/templates/CMakeLists.txt.complete samelian you have this section: samelian ##### other data ################################ samelian install( FILES DESTINATION ${XDG_APPS_INSTALL_DIR} ) MutantTurkey ahh okay MutantTurkey i se MutantTurkey i see' samelian then check this: samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess samelian go to "Standard install paths" samelian this automake sequence is translated to cmake in this way: samelian appdir = $(kde_datadir)/kruler samelian app_DATA = eventsrc samelian is transformed to: samelian install( FILES eventsrc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kruler ) samelian sounddir = $(kde_datadir)/kruler/sounds samelian sound_DATA = move.wav samelian to samelian install( FILES move.wav DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR} /kruler/sounds) samelian sorry samelian install( FILES move.wav DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kruler/sounds) samelian and this: samelian $(mkinstalldirs) $(DESTDIR)$(kde_appsdir)/Graphics samelian $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/uninstall.desktop $(DESTDIR)$(kde_appsdir)/Graphics/kruler.desktop samelian to MutantTurkey I have figured a bit, then looked on my irc client and see that you said it also :) samelian install( FILES uninstall.desktop DESTINATION ${APPS_INSTALL_DIR}/Graphics RENAME kruler.desktop ) samelian the last conversion is a little tricky, so pay attention to it MutantTurkey okay let me catch up. samelian what do this: samelian $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/uninstall.desktop $(DESTDIR)$(kde_appsdir)/Graphics/kruler.desktop samelian copy uninstall.desktop to $(DESTDIR)$(kde_appsdir)/Graphics/kruler.desktop, right? MutantTurkey yes makes sense MutantTurkey what about the mkinstalldirs? its that correct? samelian mkinstalldirs create directory $(DESTDIR)$(kde_appsdir)/Graphics samelian cmake not need this MutantTurkey so we don't need it? MutantTurkey okay great MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vh samelian so, in this last case we can leave it as usual samelian install( FILES uninstall.desktop DESTINATION ${APPS_INSTALL_DIR}/Graphics ) samelian right? samelian because uninstall.desktop will be copied to ${APPS_INSTALL_DIR}/Graphics MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey because kde_appsdir is now APPS_INSTALL_DIR samelian but we need in this place "kruler.desktop" samelian for this reason we using directive RENAME samelian to renaming uninstall.desktop to kruler.desktop MutantTurkey I am confused. MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vi MutantTurkey this is what i currently have samelian instead $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/uninstall.desktop $(DESTDIR)$(APPS_INSTALL_DIR)/Graphics/kruler.desktop samelian put samelian install( FILES uninstall.desktop DESTINATION ${APPS_INSTALL_DIR}/Graphics RENAME kruler.desktop ) MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey now i understand samelian good MutantTurkey okay I have that samelian cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8) can be removed from there, we have it already in main cmakelists samelian now, about formatting samelian leave two spaces between sections MutantTurkey okay samelian and rename #### kruler (kdeinit) ########################### to #### kruler (executable) ########################### samelian also, section labels must have exactly 49 characters MutantTurkey D: samelian ok, make changes and show me MutantTurkey why 49? samelian i have no ideea :) MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vj samelian I started with 49 samelian and all cmake files have 49 MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vk samelian very well, looking like my own work :) MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey is it all good? samelian ofc, you must put your own copyright notice samelian almost samelian do not forget about pics dir MutantTurkey D: samelian this can be pretty tricky as well, so pay attention MutantTurkey I suppose i have to use GPL D: samelian actually you can use any licence you want MutantTurkey okay paying attention samelian even public domain :) MutantTurkey I will stay with BSD to avoid confusion samelian good, show me cmakelists from pics dir MutantTurkey It is empty :P MutantTurkey I just created it as a placeholder samelian good samelian open makefile.am samelian there we have two kind of pictures MutantTurkey okay samelian ordinary images and icons samelian the first images are installed as ordinary data MutantTurkey so the same way INSTALL( FILES blah blah blah) samelian yes samelian when string of files are too long, we must to format it MutantTurkey okay samelian I use this command: samelian echo kruler-east.png kruler-north.png kruler-south.png kruler-west.png | fmt -w 70 MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey why do we need to format it? samelian because sometimes we have hundred of files MutantTurkey oh samelian and the string is far too long MutantTurkey right samelian so, in this case will be like this: samelian install( samelian kruler-east.png kruler-north.png kruler-south.png kruler-west.png samelian DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kruler/pics ) samelian 4 space indetation for files samelian 2 spaces for DEST MutantTurkey okay samelian good samelian now, the tricky parts :) samelian in makefile.am you see samelian KDE_ICON = kruler samelian but, you have 4 images samelian which must be installed in 4 directories MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey for 32x32 64x64 etc samelian so, there is macro for automate this task samelian yes samelian in this case: MutantTurkey is there for cmake? samelian tde_ macros are created by me samelian so samelian in this case we have: samelian tde_install_icons( kruler ) samelian that's all MutantTurkey that is all? MutantTurkey nice samelian sometimes is enough tde_install_icons( ) MutantTurkey okay samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess#tde_install_icons samelian good, now show me the cmakelists MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vl samelian very well samelian actually, remove include_directories and include_directories samelian we do not need it there samelian we do not compiling anything there samelian you can remove #### other data ################################# as well samelian because we haven't another sections MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vm samelian nice samelian now we can try to install :) samelian run make install DESTDIR=/tmp/kdegraphics.install doda MutantTurkey: instaled trinity doda finaly doda finally :D MutantTurkey doda: how is that working out? doda works great MutantTurkey great :) MutantTurkey samelian: CMake Error at kruler/pics/CMakeLists.txt:12 (install): MutantTurkey install called with unknown mode kruler-east.png MutantTurkey oh i know why samelian hang on samelian install( FILES MutantTurkey yes doda i need some battery applet, and to figure out how to emulate scroll with middle button samelian for battery applet use kpowersave doda aha MutantTurkey doda: yeah, any questions just ask in here :P these guys are pretty helpful doda aha :), i will samelian actually I must sleep right now, because there is 04:11 AM :) samelian MutantTurkey: so, installing is ok? MutantTurkey samelian: go sleep MutantTurkey It installs almost all okay samelian good MutantTurkey it created a directroy called $(BIN_INSTALL_DIR) though :P MutantTurkey i will work on it MutantTurkey thank you for the help! samelian use {} instead () MutantTurkey yes, i got it worked out MutantTurkey i may be able to start workin on the other ones now MutantTurkey also how do i commit this stuff? MutantTurkey actually, just go sleep :P we can talk more later samelian good, then give me your files again, I will commit it to svn samelian sooner or later you will need write acces to svn MutantTurkey of course MutantTurkey I will copy relevant files over to tar archive and email them to you or something for now samelian tomorrow I will have time, will try something harder :) samelian ok samelian send to serghei@thel.ro MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey kb9vqf: actually got something done with serghei's help! ported kruler to cmake :D samelian if you want to check it if working really, rerun cmake as this: samelian cmake /path/to/source CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/trinity -DBUILD_KRULER=ON samelian then samelian make && sudo make install MutantTurkey it worked samelian -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/trinity samelian good MutantTurkey well I don't want to do that MutantTurkey because that will mess with my /opt/trinity tree. but I can't see why it wouldn't work. samelian you want to package, I understand :) MutantTurkey yep MutantTurkey well. how should i send this to you? what files? config.h.cmake, Cmakelists... thats it? samelian just kruler cmakefiles samelian I made all changes in main files MutantTurkey okay :D samelian you can read my notices as well, there: http://www.thel.ro/doc/ samelian as homework you can complete this page: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess MutantTurkey sent MutantTurkey okay I'll try and work tomorrow MutantTurkey I have to help setup a jazz show for some friends at my high school. they need desperate help configuring the lighting and sound boards. samelian MutantTurkey: you sent me cmakecache samelian send me cmakefiles from source tree *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *david has joined #trinity-desktop Guest33749 crud - nickserv is giving me issues - I'm david :) Guest33749 Hey, what is the last module Mturkey got ported to cmake and do you have notes about how it was done? Xu_R hmm.. it was kruler, according to my logs Xu_R start here Xu_R http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess Xu_R and here Xu_R http://www.thel.ro/doc/ Xu_R and then make sure you get on here later to have samelian check your work Guest33749 Excellent - I've tried the CMake conversion - and it's a bit sparse :p Xu_R he's pretty picky about standards ;) Guest33749 Good - I need a picky teacher Xu_R yea, he asked MutantTurkey to finish the Wiki page Guest33749 The wiki doesn't even have a reference for check_modules yet ... Guest33749 I'll tear kruler apart and see if I can reverse engineer it Xu_R heh Xu_R if you're here around 1100 EST or so, samelian should be here :) Guest33749 OK, I'll try and check back then. The http://www.thel.ro/doc/ link is good :) Xu_R great! :D Guest33749 Thanks Robert - I'll go and see if I can get crystal windeco ported and report back tomorrow. Getting close to this old man's bed time Xu_R ok. Make sure, if samelian approves it, you send your work to him, since he's keeping track of all this :) Guest33749 He's got a lot to keep track of. What was the mention about the 3.5.13 release being pushed back? I didn't even know there was a target date? Xu_R it's supposed to be very 6 months Xu_R but we're being pushed back and we need the higher standard Xu_R besides, supposedly, if we get cmake working, we could fix problems that were caused by using the auto* Guest33749 Realisticly - I put any hope for a release a minimum 6 months out and closer to 12. That's not a bad thing, that is just recognition of how much work and testing still needs to be done on the cmake port of everything . Guest33749 I think a clean cmake build of everything will cure a lot of the nits, etc.. (not that I know a whole lot), but it just makes sense. kb9vqf Realistically we can't release this spring kb9vqf And yes I hope CMake will fix a lot of packaging problems :) Xu_R yes, that's why it's essential :D Guest33749 Yep, and like I mentioned - I think that (the slip) is a good thing. I would always rather have it 'right' than have it 'quick' :) kb9vqf Of course CMake means recreating a lot of the Ubuntu and Debian packaging rules.... kb9vqf uggghhh Xu_R hehe kb9vqf I hope we can get another *buntu person to help with that Xu_R one thing I don't like about mdv, suse, and fedora differences Xu_R is that they packaged kdebase all different Xu_R *Radically* different Xu_R so I have to create a seperate spec file for each... >_<" Guest33749 Well I'm still working on my grade school diploma with cmake. But, from a builders prospective, it sure makes things simple when it works (and a mother... when it doesn't) Xu_R That's practically stalled me from throwing kdebase RPMs out there for 2 weeks already... Xu_R david: lol Guest33749 I'm going to go look at kruler and the link you gave me a bit more and see if I can start to make sense of an initial cmake template for small simple Trinity modules. You guys have a good one and THANKS for your help! Xu_R ok, so it's about 0100, and i'm about to die. night :P Xu_R s/die/faint or s/die/'fall asleep' , whatever ;) *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *arw_ has joined #trinity-desktop arw_ hi. arw_ i've been wondering if there is some upstream rsync one could mirror trinity from? arw_ at least the debian parts, but i wouldn't mind also mirring the rest TokRa arw_: yes TokRa arw_: rsync://mirror.trinity.lv (EU) TokRa arw_: rsync://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/trinity (USA) TokRa mirror.trinity.lv is being updated from the developer's main site every morning TokRa arw_: Correction: rsync://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity (EU) arw_ okay, thanks *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop arw_ ok, new mirror at ftp: or http://debian.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/trinity/ arw_ but i'm not quite sure if everything will work alright so i'd like to test it a little further. see if it syncs ok and stuff *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa arw_: That's nice. Please, notify kb9vqf personally. He's the maintainer. arw_ k. *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-01T19:13:39Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> tbottu tbottu will be going down for hardware upgrades shorty. Service restoration expected within 24 hours. *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-02T03:43:56Z">+o tbottu </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-02T03:44:04Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> tbottu I'm back, but QuickBuild is down again for repairs. Full service restoration 03/03/2011 Xu_R wb tbottu, kb9vqf kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf wants to throw Intel out a window right now Xu_R aw. kb9vqf "business grade" Intel fiber card decided to fail "tx unit hang" :-( Xu_R D: kb9vqf Hence the quickbuild outage x2 kb9vqf It comes up for around 10-15 minutes then fails Xu_R I've noticed :-\ Xu_R never good to have a server fail kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf Oh well kb9vqf It'll be back when the replacement arrives Xu_R you seem to have lots of server problems D: kb9vqf Actually the servers are happily running 24/7 kb9vqf It's an external network problem kb9vqf I don't have a lot of funds to invest in the external fabric kb9vqf i.e. for open source stuff like QuickBuild Xu_R kb9vqf: I see. it's ISP problems? kb9vqf Routing between my intranet(s) and the ISP Xu_R ewww. kb9vqf Yep kb9vqf Donations would definitely help to increase the reliability here :) kb9vqf (spare parts tend to do that) kb9vqf Otherwise it's "whenever I get the funds to fix x, y, or z" kb9vqf I hope that once this part is replaced the routers will stabilize *stalane has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop stalane hi.. does anyone know the key difference between the kubuntu desktop and enterprise edition? *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv :: tries to remember to add "does anyone know the key difference between the kubuntu desktop and enterprise edition?" to an FAQ entry somewhere, but isn't awake enough to deal with the wiki Strangelv "We need a separate, public-oriented wiki Strangelv "oen for user-related items, not stuff for how to spread the innards of kcontrol all over the tarmac *Strangelv tries to remember http://editthis.info/wiki/Wiki_hosting_comparison_guide *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *stalane has joined #trinity-desktop stalane hello *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: sorry about yesterday, didn't get home tiill later. I'll be done class in three hours so I start working on it more samelian MutantTurkey: ok, no problem samelian I was busy too MutantTurkey samelian: I will be home soon and start working MutantTurkey i did a bit on kamera, but i don't know how to compile libraries :/ MutantTurkey but gotta go. ttyl *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *stalane has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|SchoolLAG has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: around? kb9vqf don't see him here MutantTurkey kb9vqf: actually i think this cmake stuff is not so bad. I have already done kruler, and now i am working on ksnapshot alone so i think if i can master the basics with samelian i can get it done quickly MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah i noticed :/ kb9vqf Great :) kb9vqf Can you fix the Wiki article too? MutantTurkey what is wrong with it? kb9vqf It wasn't very clear MutantTurkey It is very hard to explain how this all works. if you don't know cmake kb9vqf I remember you said it wasn't much help kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey now that i understand how it works, the wiki is a good reference kb9vqf Gotcha kb9vqf Maybe you can add a "read this first" line then? MutantTurkey I think I can add to it a bit. MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf sounds good MutantTurkey if i get it mastered, then I can also teach people. kb9vqf I'm still working on getting you a subversion server kb9vqf That was the reason for the tbottu outage yesterday MutantTurkey for the Arch files? kb9vqf yes MutantTurkey what do you think about having a server for the website? MutantTurkey svn' kb9vqf ? kb9vqf Oh MutantTurkey that seems to be the trend. kb9vqf Hmmm MutantTurkey keeping the website on svn. kb9vqf Not sure kb9vqf I don't like having anything that is executed on a machine and not security validated publically available kb9vqf *publicly MutantTurkey hmmm, I do not understand kb9vqf php files are executed, meaning that if someone were to find a security vulerability in the public source files then they could use the vulerability to hack my server kb9vqf *vulnerability MutantTurkey oh that makes sense. *kb9vqf can't type kb9vqf static HTML does not have that problem kb9vqf but it doesn't do very much either MutantTurkey I don't know what TokRa is doing, but I do think she is making it overly compicated. MutantTurkey but i digress. kb9vqf I wouldn't mind, say, the css stuff being in svn kb9vqf but the php needs to stay somewhat hidden *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey once TokRa works over the internals, then we can see. kb9vqf I can always complain to TokRa about complexity :) kb9vqf But yes, I would wait and see MutantTurkey samelian: I am making good progress! i have almost got ksnapshot ported by myself! samelian good :) MutantTurkey I am confused, how do i test it again? to the folder in /tmp? MutantTurkey samelian:I have run into the VERSION problem again, ksnapshot has variable called "KSNAPVERSION" so i made config.h.cmake in kdegraphics/ksnapshot/, which says #cmakedefine KSNAPVERSION "@KSNAPVERSION@" and defined it in the CMakeLists.txt, but it doesn't work :/ any advice? samelian but you set KSNAPVERSION somewhere? MutantTurkey yes in ksnapshot/CMakeLists.txt MutantTurkey and in ksnapshot/config.h.cmake samelian is not correct samelian must be in main config.h.cmake MutantTurkey okay thank you MutantTurkey and in main CMakeLists.txt? MutantTurkey or not samelian nope samelian but you are out of scope, you must force caching samelian hang on MutantTurkey ? samelian set( KSNAPVERSION 3.5.13 CACHE INTERNAL "" FORCE ) MutantTurkey why is that? samelian because you define the variable in a child directory MutantTurkey it is actually version 0.7 samelian and this variable is not in scope of main cmakelists MutantTurkey Do i set that in ksnapshot/cmakelists? samelian of course MutantTurkey OK thanks MutantTurkey samelian: i still get error D: MutantTurkey I will show you samelian ok MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vH samelian check if config.h contain KSNAPVERSION definition MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey it has /* #undef KSNAPVERISON */ samelian show me ksnapshot/CMakeLists.txt samelian KSNAPVERISON is not KSNAPVERSION MutantTurkey I have such sloppy mistakes samelian be very careful, because of these mistakes we can go into strange runtime problems MutantTurkey righty MutantTurkey now it is still broken MutantTurkey but, kdegraphics/config.h has #define KSNAPVERSION "0.7" samelian show me the error samelian ah MutantTurkey :q MutantTurkey :q! samelian you say kdegraphics/config.h? MutantTurkey oh sorry wrong window MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey wasn't that where it should be? samelian nope samelian kdegraphics do not have its own config.h MutantTurkey (12:09:43 PM) MutantTurkey: and in ksnapshot/config.h.cmake MutantTurkey (12:09:56 PM) samelian: is not correct MutantTurkey (12:10:09 PM) samelian: must be in main config.h.cmake samelian I mean ksnapshot/CMakeLists.txt samelian yes, in main config.h.cmake MutantTurkey in kdegrahpics/config.h.cmake? samelian ah, I read wrong samelian it's correct in kdegrahpics/config.h.cmake MutantTurkey okay samelian show me the error MutantTurkey same as last time samelian show me entire compile log MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vI samelian ok, I found the problem samelian prepend samelian #include <config.h> samelian in main.cpp MutantTurkey ok. MutantTurkey so i need to modify main.cpp? MutantTurkey cool samelian yes samelian automake pass KSNAPVERSION via command line, but i don't like this method MutantTurkey now let me make this clear, the config.h is in kdegraphics/ not ksnapshot/ ? samelian yes, config.h is everytime in root of package MutantTurkey ok kb9vqf samelian is correct, we should not be passing via command line :) kb9vqf as a matter of build policy kb9vqf that's the old way of doing things and very hard to trace MutantTurkey wow MutantTurkey everything broke. samelian of course is it MutantTurkey ? samelian you need to give cmake path to root binary source samelian hang on MutantTurkey hmmm? okay samelian yes must add samelian ${CMAKE_BINARY_DIR} samelian in include_directories( samelian because make do not know where config.h is MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey it is already in there samelian you uncommented it? MutantTurkey no. look http://ix.io/1vJ samelian seems ok samelian show me the error MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vK samelian aa, linking error MutantTurkey kb9vqf: tips submission system? D: sounds complicated MutantTurkey samelian: yeah, but only after i add the config.h to the page samelian because after you add config.h, everything has build correctly :)) MutantTurkey ah! samelian this samelian ksnapshot.cpp:(.text+0x16dc): undefined reference to `KIO::NetAccess::exists(KURL const&, bool, QWidget*) MutantTurkey okay so what do i need under LINK in tde_add_executable samelian meaning that missing kio-shared MutantTurkey okay, is there a list or something? samelian sometime you will learn how to guess which library missing :) MutantTurkey :P okay samelian also, note that there is kio-shared, kdeui-shared is not necessary anymore samelian because kio-shared depending by kdeui-shared samelian and is added automatically MutantTurkey still another error now MutantTurkey I think, for k printing samelian ok, show me error samelian kdeprint-shared, i guess samelian i don't remember if kdeprint have kio as dependency samelian add just kdeprint-shared and remove kio-shared, to check MutantTurkey no no no MutantTurkey I mean it will work, but I'd rather just have them all so i can tell MutantTurkey okay more errors samelian show me MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1vL samelian you forgot to add ksnapshotiface.skel in sources MutantTurkey ok thank you MutantTurkey i thought it was only .cpp? MutantTurkey files samelian nope MutantTurkey just not .h? samelian all files present in ksnapshot_SOURCES samelian .h will never present in ksnapshot_SOURCES samelian check there which extensions are supported: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess MutantTurkey I don't have that file. MutantTurkey ksnapshotiface.skel samelian is autogenerated, don't worry MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey 100% ok! MutantTurkey how do i test install? samelian make install DESTDIR=/tmp/ksnapshot MutantTurkey okay thanks MutantTurkey It keeps installing it to tmp.../usr/local/bin is that fine? samelian yes, because you do not passed CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX MutantTurkey oh okay MutantTurkey so that will be fine when we package it. samelian sure MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey well thats 2 down MutantTurkey samelian: I just did kcoloredit too! samelian nice :) MutantTurkey this is not so hard MutantTurkey and i am making good progress i think *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School hello world :D MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: o/ MutantTurkey hello Xu_R|School hehe... I feel so evil logging onto webchat from school >:P MutantTurkey :P MutantTurkey i used to ssh into my server MutantTurkey and people just got freaked out MutantTurkey black boxes with text MutantTurkey scares the hell out of them MutantTurkey thought i was "hacking the school mainframe" MutantTurkey LOL MutantTurkey what idiots MutantTurkey i did get X forewarding setup, so i could run my own software at school MutantTurkey with Xming Xu_R|School LOL Xu_R|School I tried to ssh Xu_R|School but they blocked me Xu_R|School accused me of hacking Xu_R|School and I had to fight my way out of central office >:P MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey quite my plight also MutantTurkey i had to switch my ssh port to 80 because it was the only one they didn' block lol Xu_R|School lol Xu_R|School I have a webserver running on 80, so that didn't work :( MutantTurkey use 8080, also not blocked :P Xu_R|School nah, everything except 80 and 443 is blocked here :( Xu_R|School what's funny is they said that I was hacking /etc/passwd, but my server logs show that the school computer never connected to my server in the beginning XD MutantTurkey lols MutantTurkey samelian: blagh blagh blagh. remember that problem with finding kde-config and my path? what was the solution to that? samelian export PATH=/opt/trinity/bin MutantTurkey samelian: thanks i figured it out MutantTurkey :) guess what? MutantTurkey i also got kiconedit done! samelian hehe, very nice MutantTurkey this is not so hard samelian is not samelian at least, for simple programs MutantTurkey indeed. MutantTurkey which these mostly are samelian yes MutantTurkey I think we should make the "pics" directory standard. MutantTurkey because it seperates the icons from the sources MutantTurkey and half of them have it already samelian yes, will be nice samelian but not now samelian maybe next releases MutantTurkey yeah. MutantTurkey not really an problem MutantTurkey samelian: how do you build a library? MutantTurkey i am trying to port kamera now MutantTurkey acually i will take a break and sleep for a while i think Xu_R|School laters people, school is almost over, then I've got a lecture to attend. D: *Xu_R|School has left #trinity-desktop samelian hehe, ok the, will talk tomorrow then MutantTurkey samelian: later today. I just need a nap samelian gn *ben_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey ben_ ben_ hello MutantTurkey i dont think we've met before ben_ It is my first time on here. MutantTurkey ah. well then, welcome! MutantTurkey have you used trinity before? ben_ yea. Since ubuntu 9.04. ben_ Trying to get it on 10.10. but ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net is not responding... MutantTurkey nice, longer than myself i can say :P MutantTurkey I think quickbuild is down, hold on. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: is quickbuild down momentarily? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf it should be back up tomorrow kb9vqf router failure MutantTurkey oh okay kb9vqf sorry MutantTurkey :/ ben_ I will try tomorrow then... MutantTurkey ben_: yeah that is your best bet. sorry about that *Xu_R|AfterSchool has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey doda: how goes it? doda MutantTurkey: fine :) doda there ? MutantTurkey doda: sorry fell asleep doda MutantTurkey: sorry, i wasn't on the pc :) *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *lucman has joined #trinity-desktop lucman Hello There! I got a problem. Using Debian Squeeze, i'm not able to get GPG Key. i got: gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect: Connection timed out lucman Ok, i will do aptitude update with errors, i will back after downgrading my KDE 4.* to Trinity. Bye! *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="holmes.freenode.net" time="2011-03-03T01:43:21Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> MutantTurkey doda: we keep missing eachother :P doda now i'm here :D Xu_R there's like an hour delay between your posts XD MutantTurkey :D nice! Xu_R oh, not anymore. doda MutantTurkey: there was a bug MutantTurkey Xu_R: I keep getting busy. had to head over to much church for a while. MutantTurkey doda: report that baby. doda in kde, still presistent in trinity Piki wow, freenode is super-filling lol MutantTurkey which is? doda its wierd, MutantTurkey freenode is not doing so well lately Xu_R MutantTurkey: ah, I see. MutantTurkey doda: you are on the 3.5.12 sources right? not svn? doda choosing us and mk (macedonian layout) and selecting alt+shift doesn't work MutantTurkey Xu_R: yeah this week is super hectic doda MutantTurkey: yep, debian packages MutantTurkey doda: yeah. hmmm. did you search in the bug tracker? Xu_R MutantTurkey: worse here, got progress reports coming soon D: Xu_R s/coming soon/friday MutantTurkey lol, i thought it was thursday till about three hours ago doda MutantTurkey: i will do it now, the kde3 bug tracker ? MutantTurkey doda: no our bug tracker Xu_R nice :P MutantTurkey http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net doda MutantTurkey: as i remmember correctly it existed in kde too, http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=macedonian returns nothing MutantTurkey try layout MutantTurkey or keyboard MutantTurkey so you'll get related problems, might be all layouts not just us/macedonian MutantTurkey samelian: okay, so libraries? doda http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=100 tbottu Bug 100 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, UNCO, Keyboard layout switcher does not work MutantTurkey @bug 100 MutantTurkey !bug 100 MutantTurkey :[ awh i though tbottu would tell us Xu_R MutantTurkey: just throw the url like doda did Xu_R (remember, this is mozbot, not supybot :( ) MutantTurkey doda: yeah I just saw that. I'd say report a new bug, give more details, that thing is pretty un-detailed, not to mention old MutantTurkey Xu_R: yuck. I love supy doda MutantTurkey: just checked, no layout works MutantTurkey okay report that baby then. doda MutantTurkey: a friend of mine had more info about this bug MutantTurkey whp MutantTurkey who's that? Xu_R MutantTurkey: I kno right? So do I :) doda i guess its better to see with him doda he is the local linux guru doda :d MutantTurkey Xu_R: (: yo. so i started working on cmake. got alot done doda but here is 3 o clock MutantTurkey doda: I am the only local linux junkie D: at least my age. sort of sucky. doda where do you live ? MutantTurkey doda: jesus christmas! doesn't anyone ever sleep? I go to bed at like 9pm *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="holmes.freenode.net" time="2011-03-03T01:51:09Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> MutantTurkey doda: Philly USA MutantTurkey w doda MutantTurkey: how old are you ? :D Xu_R MutantTurkey: >: Xu_R 9pm... MutantTurkey 16 D: Xu_R I wish I could go then. MutantTurkey is anyone else netsplitting like crazy? Xu_R I'm like sleeping at 12-1am now... fkkk Xu_R MutantTurkey: just anyone on zelazny.freenode.net doda MutantTurkey: lol, i thought you were older :), keep it up MutantTurkey doda: people tend to think that. I don't know why. even in person i easily pass for like 19-20 doda :D thats cool Xu_R MutantTurkey: nice! keep going with cmake! :D doda i got the same thing :D doda i;m 19 btw Xu_R speaking of that... david said he'd show and ask samelian for cmake help like 2 days ago, guess he forgot. MutantTurkey yay for young people! :p Xu_R woot! *Xu_R hi5's MutantTurkey MutantTurkey Xu_R: I can help him to a bit. I've picked it up fairly quickly for easy stuff. MutantTurkey just need to figure out the library function doda http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=193 tbottu Bug 193 cri, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, kxkb doesn't work doda this is a bug with good info MutantTurkey ah yes doda the same problem doda is from kde 3.5 doda i did the exact same thing Xu_R ah. bugs with activity and info is always a good thing :D MutantTurkey doda: so exact same problem? doda yep MutantTurkey Hopefully we can get it resolved. If it pleases you, post on the ML and complain a bit. :) doda as sergey did MutantTurkey our developer(s) team is under heavy strain working with qt4 support and working on tQtinterface doda MutantTurkey: its an old kde 3.5 problem doda so doda i think MutantTurkey doda: yeah. that is the point of this project. fix all that broken s**t with 3.5 Xu_R and cmake, packaging bugs, udev, etc... doda MutantTurkey: yep, qt4 port first :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: yeah that too :P Xu_R let's see... priorities: TOP: cmake and udev. MIDDLE: Qt4. BOTTOM: lots of other stuff MutantTurkey there are about a zillion small bugs to squash. Xu_R yea, Qt4 is so unstable right now, we'd rather just push a next release with cmake and udev. and then .14 could have qt4... >_< MutantTurkey but don't impact critically. MutantTurkey cmake is a definite Xu_R realize that porting to cmake and udev can squash a thousand bugs if we fix it correctly (theoretically) MutantTurkey well it will fix all the hal related problems MutantTurkey and cmake will clean up the whole build tree MutantTurkey instead of autohell Xu_R yup yup Xu_R there were many problems created by autotools, remember. cmake (theoretically) eliminates half of those zillion bugs ;) MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey I need 2 monitors D: Xu_R ~sigh~ MutantTurkey double sigh MutantTurkey doda: any other problems you've run into? doda well no, only i had to edit xorg.conf to make my thinkpad trackpad scroll doda in gnome there is a 3rd party app doda and i need to put some eye candy :D doda MutantTurkey: tommorow i will provide more info MutantTurkey alright MutantTurkey eye candy = important on a desktop. Xu_R too important in kde4 MutantTurkey obviously MutantTurkey to your preference i mean, If you like less, have less, if you like more, have more. what is good about trinity is that it is very flexible Xu_R yup Xu_R blahh... helping someone with c++ programming hw... >_<" MutantTurkey Xu_R: awful :[ what sort of stuff? MutantTurkey bah i don't even know C++. i avoid it. Xu_R MutantTurkey: just using the basics of C++ and its libraries. MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey I am having trouble at one part MutantTurkey can't figure out cmake libary includes D: Xu_R D: MutantTurkey D: D: D: no workings :/ Xu_R :( MutantTurkey ah well. MutantTurkey to tired to find solution. will ask samelian later. Xu_R it's 9.30 :P MutantTurkey I know :P MutantTurkey and i did nothing all day. Xu_R blahh... don't you have like thursday or friday off or something? lucky MutantTurkey fridays off MutantTurkey done tomorrow at 12 MutantTurkey i am quite a sloth Xu_R lol MutantTurkey sigh MutantTurkey no avail MutantTurkey I think i shall go relax. watch a film or something Xu_R have fun! :) MutantTurkey on second thought, it is getting late Xu_R just go sleep :) MutantTurkey good call MutantTurkey night everyone! *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv TDE distributions ought to include a cursive font that's cursive. The default TDE Kubuntu install has only manuscript fonts that aren't cursive for cursive K`zan Hummm, I don't think this is a Trinity problem, but on my old Deb5 KDE3.5 the desktop does not show everything from my $HOME. Been trying to figure out how to duplicate that action, gets rather crowded with all that stuff on the desktop. If anyone has any ideas on this, I'd love to hear them. Back to google... K`zan Interestingly, my desktop folder (in $HOME) only shows the stuff that is supposed to be shown on the Desktop(s). kb9vqf K`zan: Check your XDG directories kb9vqf One of them is probably set incorrectly *kb9vqf does not remember the commands OTOH K`zan XDG ? K`zan Ah $HOME K`zan llla K`zan ww K`zan lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2010-10-20 19:21 .kde -> .kde3 K`zan Found it! Thanks! K`zan Control Center->System Administration->Paths K`zan Desktop was set to $HOME. Changed that and told it not to move files and things are back to normal! K`zan THanks again, got me on the right path! *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-03T17:41:20Z">+o tbottu </mode> *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop *raso2 has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *arw_ has joined #trinity-desktop *doda has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="lindbohm.freenode.net" time="2011-03-03T17:51:25Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-03T17:51:25Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *tbottu was going to say 'I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes' but has said it too many times today already *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-03T18:55:09Z">+o tbottu </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-03T18:55:33Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf OK, I think it's back to normal Xu_R|School hopefully lol kb9vqf That was a mess :-P Xu_R|School yea Xu_R|School even the two other channels like died and messed up kb9vqf Yeah Xu_R|School (that I'm on) kb9vqf I think the network fragmented badly Xu_R|School yea... kb9vqf Even knocked tbottu clean off the network :( Xu_R|School no wonder it didn't -i! kb9vqf I think it dod Xu_R|School I was like pming and trying to get in :P kb9vqf *did kb9vqf but to the wrong node Xu_R|School oh. that's worse. XD kb9vqf I know my client was latched onto a network fragment kb9vqf Didn't see a bunch of nicks and my commands did nothing kb9vqf Oh well Xu_R|School lol *kb9vqf goes back to work and gets off this Web client Xu_R|School yea *kb9vqf has left #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-04T04:04:07Z">+o tbottu </mode> kb9vqf Xu_R: QuickBuild is back online kb9vqf Should be much more stable now kb9vqf New firewall/router box kb9vqf tbottu is back as well tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'is back as well' might be. <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-04T04:05:43Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *kb9vqf has left #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *doda- has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ MutantTurkey samelian: I also have kfax done samelian good MutantTurkey I have ran into some spots with other stuff MutantTurkey mainly libraries MutantTurkey don't know how to do that yet *Orby_ has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop samelian MutantTurkey: at this moment, focus on simple things *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-04T18:12:53Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Any Debian users here? kb9vqf Or Ubuntu kb9vqf ? *Space_Man is a kubuntu and mint debian use Space_Man uers Space_Man user :) kb9vqf Space_Man: Do you use the ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? *kb9vqf is trying to determine if there is a mirroring problem ATM Space_Man on this machine i'm running the standard kubuntu 9.10 trinity, it is still on 3.5.11 Space_Man it also dualboots linux mint debian with ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net Space_Man but I haven't tried it since last weekend Space_Man another machine here has an older version of mint - I think v9 - with gnome Space_Man i'll restart and try the lmde partition *spaceman_lmde has joined #trinity-desktop spaceman_lmde kb9vqf: http://paste.debian.net/109587/ spaceman_lmde kb9vqf: there appears to be a problem kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Stick around please; I'd like to have you test the fix in a little bit :( spaceman_lmde ok kb9vqf *:) spaceman_lmde I need to fix the menu spaceman_lmde it is now full of unwanted gnome bits *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-04T19:16:17Z">+o tbottu </mode> SpaceMan_LMDE kb9vqf: wget ... has downloaded konversation.deb kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE: Are you there? kb9vqf Ah there you are SpaceMan_LMDE yes kb9vqf There is a thunderstorm overhead and it might be disruting my systems :-/ kb9vqf *disrupting SpaceMan_LMDE stupid xchat closed instead of minimising kb9vqf So I wonder why wget works and yet the apt-get operation does not kb9vqf Let me try another thing *SpaceMan_LMDE_ has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE_: OK, can you try the original command again (the one that failed earlier)? kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE: OK, can you try the original command again (the one that failed earlier)? SpaceMan_LMDE yes, I'm trying :) kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Saw you join/quit and was not sure SpaceMan_LMDE I just installed konversation from that deb and tried it SpaceMan_LMDE but it wanted to quit when I clicked on the close button, it should have minimised kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE: So QuickBuild works now? SpaceMan_LMDE yes, it appears to be working kb9vqf OK kb9vqf I locked it to my most reliable mirror kb9vqf Good download speed? SpaceMan_LMDE I just installed knemo-trinity, although it is quite small it installed very quickly kb9vqf OK, good kb9vqf I'll work on stabilizing the mirror system in the future SpaceMan_LMDE Fetched 286 kB in 10s (28.3 kB/s) kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf seems slow to me kb9vqf can you try a larger package? SpaceMan_LMDE here is the log http://paste.debian.net/109590/ SpaceMan_LMDE kb9vqf: any suggestions? kb9vqf I'd like to have you install a larger package kb9vqf Trying to find one now kb9vqf How about knights-trinity? SpaceMan_LMDE I'll try koffice kb9vqf It's a chess program kb9vqf You should be getting at least 500kb/s kb9vqf off the main mirror SpaceMan_LMDE ok, currently installing knights-trinity SpaceMan_LMDE Fetched 831 kB in 5s (164 kB/s) kb9vqf OK, that's better kb9vqf I'm not noticing any load on my connection kb9vqf so it must be pulling from the mirror kb9vqf where are you located (what country)? SpaceMan_LMDE i'm now installing koffice-trinity SpaceMan_LMDE I'm in the UK kb9vqf That might explain the speeds kb9vqf I'll work on the round robin ASAP kb9vqf some sort of geolocation too possibly kb9vqf at least it's back up :) SpaceMan_LMDE the various parts of koffice are downloading at approx 290kb/s kb9vqf Good *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *arw__ has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-04T19:54:12Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE: Are you still available for another test? SpaceMan_LMDE kb9vqf: i'm back kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Want to try another test? SpaceMan_LMDE yes please *SpaceMan_LMDE jumps around kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE: OK, try to apt-get update kb9vqf And then install a Trinity package you haven't installed before kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE: Ooops, try again :) SpaceMan_LMDE apt-get update worked fine kb9vqf Good kb9vqf SpaceMan_LMDE: Now try to install a package kb9vqf This should use the round robin mirroring system now SpaceMan_LMDE trying to find a trinity package to install is difficult as most of them have already been installed SpaceMan_LMDE python-trinity-trinity looks suitable SpaceMan_LMDE some packages are downloading at 570kb/s kb9vqf Great kb9vqf The round robin is working then :) kb9vqf Thanks for the test! kb9vqf I wanted to do geolocation stuff originally, but it seems there is no free geolocation database available kb9vqf I may end up adding a feature where you can let QuickBuild know what your location is and it will select the fastest mirror kb9vqf But not today :) SpaceMan_LMDE ktorrent has an IP to country info widget SpaceMan_LMDE a Nexuiz server I used to admin had a useful geolocation script SpaceMan_LMDE it told us where the IP was from SpaceMan_LMDE I can ask the admin for a copy SpaceMan_LMDE now installing rosegarden-trinity, a 166mb download SpaceMan_LMDE the speed is fluctuating between 400kb/s and 650kb/s SpaceMan_LMDE Fetched 166 MB in 4min 37s (597 kB/s) *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMint has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian, Xu_R: What do you think of the bug day proposal? kb9vqf I sent it on trinity-devel kb9vqf http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::1321 samelian i saw it samelian unfortunately, much people complain, but very few try to do something :) samelian also, they have too much expectations from us samelian he forget that we do this work in our very little spare time samelian actually my feeling is that we don't need to rush at all, current radical changes needs very much time to be implemented well kb9vqf yes, I know kb9vqf I was just thinking one day kb9vqf we fix as many as we can and then we can say we did something :) kb9vqf we need packagers, including Darrell samelian kb9vqf: actually I do not care very much about Slackware, i think that this is worst distro ever :) samelian these days I eat my portion of arrogant people, one more is too much for this week :) samelian I will continue my work anyway, even I will remain the only trinity user kb9vqf ah, ok kb9vqf we will need a bug day eventually though :) samelian for sure, we can do this samelian but is hard to synchronize, because time lag between us kb9vqf i was thinking all day GMT, people can join and leave in their respective time zones samelian kb9vqf: what is 74-84-118-181.client.mchsi.com? kb9vqf samelian: An alternate IP kb9vqf why do you ask? samelian is rejected by my s25r antispam filter, because is residential IP kb9vqf It's a business IP kb9vqf your spam filter is too sensitive kb9vqf check the reverse DNS samelian my filter checking for 74-84-118-18 form of reverse kb9vqf mail should not be originating from that address samelian i will whitelist it kb9vqf don't kb9vqf what was the message that was sent from that IP? samelian "warning from trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net" samelian something send by elzm kb9vqf must be old kb9vqf very old kb9vqf can you send me the message? kb9vqf http://remote.12dt.com/lookup.php does not resolve to 74-84-118-181.client.mchsi.com samelian ok kb9vqf or I should say using 74-84-118-181.client.mchsi.com 74.84.118.181 does not resolve to that kb9vqf grrrr kb9vqf copy+paste is not working today kb9vqf I think you know what I am trying to say :) samelian sent kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Ignore it kb9vqf That was back in February kb9vqf sorry for the DNS trouble :( samelian hehe, ok samelian hmm, seems that email was important and I missed it kb9vqf don't worry, I checked and you are still on the mailing list kb9vqf I sent you a reply just now, did you receive it? kb9vqf It should come from pearsoncomputing.net kb9vqf not some weird RDNS samelian yes kb9vqf ok samelian Received: from vali.starlink.edu (pearsoncomputing.net [74.84.118.180]) kb9vqf then everything seems to be back to normal kb9vqf BTW QuickBuild is now online and functioning quite well samelian I think that is better to whitelist your email server, to avoid these issues kb9vqf Well, I'd rather know about them kb9vqf Kind of like Launchpad uses a different website for its developers so that issues can be caught before they go public samelian ok, then, I will leave my filter as is, to detect furher problems :) kb9vqf Thanks :) kb9vqf Poke, yell, scream, and otherwise get my attention if anything wrong is detected ;-) samelian what is QuickBuild actually? i'm not familiarized with this term samelian because I'm gentoo user, I guess :) kb9vqf It's my local Launchpad instance kb9vqf Basically it's a huge build farm kb9vqf file library, etc. samelian aha, I see kb9vqf I publish the Trinity sources and binaries on it kb9vqf Anything present in the ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity directory is mirrored on the worldwide mirror system kb9vqf and now that the round robin works correctly, you can get some very nice download speeds from it :-) samelian hehe samelian as developer, I using a svn copy kb9vqf right kb9vqf it's for the users kb9vqf and to publish source tarballs kb9vqf although, I do usually build from SVN kb9vqf so it provides a nice fast way to test changes kb9vqf this is broken ATM due to incomplete CMake kb9vqf but when CMake is done nightly SVN builds will resume samelian actually i'm pretty careful to push to svn only compilable packages kb9vqf ah samelian if is something wrong meaning that I made a mistake kb9vqf right kb9vqf I am not always so careful ;-) kb9vqf It has caught a few of my mistakes in the past samelian if you find an error, just throw me an email kb9vqf sure samelian thx kb9vqf BTW, did you get a chance to fix kdepim yet? kb9vqf I sent an email to the list samelian the bug from bugzilla? kb9vqf The FTBFS from SVN kb9vqf You sent something to the list a while back kb9vqf This: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::1235 samelian about tqsomething? kb9vqf Yes samelian yes, I did in my local copy samelian kdepim is not ready yet, so is not a big problem kb9vqf ok kb9vqf just curious :) kb9vqf feel free to push to SVN whenever you want to samelian hehe, ok, you can revert any mistake :) samelian I working on kaddressbook right now kb9vqf Although you might want to push the night before bug day kb9vqf So that effort isn't duplicated kb9vqf :) samelian you still working on qt4 port? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf some kb9vqf I don't have much time right now samelian me neither :| kb9vqf I did push a tqtinterface update to the website kb9vqf the desktop is mostly usable under Qt4 samelian link? kb9vqf http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TQtForQt4 kb9vqf I'm referring to the Qt4 version kb9vqf not the Qt3 one kb9vqf There are still a number of (relatively) minor glitches kb9vqf The Konqueror about screen does not render properly (KHTML is kind of broken) samelian aha kb9vqf that and embedded KHTML images do not display samelian maybe is better to intergrate webkit when is using qt4 kb9vqf There's also an irritating Qt4 destructor crash on application close that Nokia basically said they won't fix samelian to not duplicate effort kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf But I'm not there yet :) kb9vqf We should clean up the Trinity source kb9vqf Fix the bugs kb9vqf etc. kb9vqf Then I can work on Qt4 some more kb9vqf Otherwise we'll lose our userbase while we work on CMake/Qt4/udev samelian we need at least one year :) kb9vqf Hmm.... kb9vqf Might be hard kb9vqf We might need to release a preview then samelian next time we must made smaller steps kb9vqf Of course :) samelian right now we trying to make a huge jump kb9vqf and it isn't working very well...I know.... kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf CMake is the biggest problem samelian progressing, but slowly kb9vqf I am tempted to release 3.5.13 after CMake is done and most of the bugs are fixed kb9vqf We'll do udev later samelian yes, good ideea kb9vqf Qt4 later as well kb9vqf meaning no more tqtinterface changes until after 3.5.13 kb9vqf We also need to look at applying any security updates to Qt3 kb9vqf I may need to stuff Qt3 into a project SVN tree samelian i'm angry when I think that I must waste my little to port kdegames to cmake :) samelian little time* kb9vqf do it last :) kb9vqf or better yet let MutantTurkey do it :) samelian I will ask MutantTurkey to do this kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf It would be a good learning module anyway kb9vqf nice and small samelian yes samelian and not very critical, in case of mistakes kb9vqf right samelian the same thing for kdeedu, etc samelian I think that some apps must be moved to core samelian like amarok samelian we must to wipeout noatun and put amarok instead samelian I think that we do not waste time porting useless apps to cmake kb9vqf Well, I don't know kb9vqf Some people may like noatun kb9vqf Let's just put them on the bottom of the list samelian actually I ported already almost all applications used by me :) kb9vqf I know david has a list on the Wiki samelian remained only ktorrent and k3b kb9vqf is it up to date? samelian I will check the list kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thanks samelian some of packages are not commited yet to snv samelian svn kb9vqf ok kb9vqf only list the ones that are in SVN samelian for example, kdepim is usable by me, but only kmail are ported samelian I do not using another apps from kdepim samelian right now I try to finish at least one big package, kdepim samelian then I will try to finish kdenetwork Strangelv Is there anyone eles maintaining Noatun? Strangelv "such as a Qt 4 port? Strangelv "If we're heading to Qt4 anyway... samelian i'm not sure *Strangelv is a big fan of XMMS1, but no longer has a package for it Strangelv :: has been using VLC as a substitute samelian xmms was great Strangelv s/::/\/me/ *Strangelv basically uses VLC for everything these days samelian hehe, I use mplayer for this :) samelian maybe sometime we will implement a really good trinity frontend for video samelian video playback, ofc Strangelv "IMO, Once we're on Qt4 there's little reason to not grab things from KDE4 that work Strangelv "So thoes things likeuly shouldn't get teh same level of attention as things that are only going to continue becaues we're teh ones continuing them Strangelv It's why I'm not whining more about bugs in Konqueror. Qt4 Konqueror seems to address them. samelian i'm not sure that we can borrow too much stuff from kde4 *Strangelv needs to install Qt4 Konqueror one of these months Strangelv If I understand, there are other desktop environments that grab from others samelian because kde apps are very sticky to kde environment, unlike gnome apps Strangelv "sticy in what way? samelian using too much specific kde things Strangelv Another possibility is to fork KDE4 Konqueror... hmm. Strangelv "Ans in integration samelian backporting are very hard samelian writing a webkit browser are very simple, using qt4's webkit module samelian the problem is with plugins, security, etc samelian creating a browser is a science itself Strangelv "WE're probably stuck with Qt3 until we're ready to pull the trigger on TOt Strangelv "Once we do, we can jettison Qt3 Strangelv And likely bundle it for other applications and efforts to use samelian ATM i'm not sure how easy will be to create an application which mix tqt with qt4 Strangelv ::: http://noatun.kde.org/ -- looks like thqr is no upstream for Noatun Strangelv "And I don't beleive we have teh coders to spare for it, unless someone's erally into it. ...or it's really easy samelian actually seems unmaintained at all Strangelv "I'm assuming mixing TQt and Qt4 isn't a problem, but I wasn't actually thinkincg of mixing the two in teh same application Strangelv "if anyoen's maintaining packages for it, that's some level of maintenance, just not where it counts. I used to use the Papaya Mud client, until I discovered that the 64 bit builds of it blew up before I could connect to ASI MOO Strangelv "I tried it again a wek or two ago. Still goes kablooey after 2-3 years= Strangelv A certian medium sized RAM and SSD manufacturer is running CentOS and KDE 3.3 Strangelv "for their workstations Strangelv So there's still an installed 3.x base that has'nt moved on to something else that we can try to be sure to cover. Anyone working on RHEL/CentOS? samelian you mean, if something is porting trinity to centos 5.x? Strangelv "ja samelian i'm not sure that it will be possible Strangelv Complications? samelian I guess yes, because centos' old libraries Strangelv So the version running KDE 3.3 might be newer than I'm assuming? samelian I guess that trinity 3.5.12 can be ported *Strangelv wonders if dumping Qt3 might not be as easy to do as he's assumed if theer's still a major distro that doesn't support Qt4 Xu_R kb9vqf: when we have more people that can actually code, and probably better when 3.5.13 comes out Xu_R we should have a 3.5.13.50 release just to celebrate the fixing of bugs xD *Strangelv wonders how wallpaper images are stored in memory. In the format, completely uncompressed, other? Strangelv for example, is theer any actual advantage to using JPEG in terms of memory savings? *Strangelv has a counterpart for soft-green.jpg that as a png has a filesize of 3.1 MB kb9vqf uncompressed Strangelv "so disk compression is irrelevant. What I suspected Strangelv Bit depth similarly irrelevant? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf that is all set by Xorg kb9vqf qt will convert the image to native xorg bitmaps before display IIRC Strangelv "so a 1920x1200 image of any nature is always going to be tens of megabytes kb9vqf yes kb9vqf that's one reason why video cards have so much RAM kb9vqf if you have a small screen the image will be scaled down before storage in RAM Strangelv "So as soon as I'm happy with how it looks there are no usefu/l optimizations Strangelv noted kb9vqf basically kb9vqf we like png because it is lossless Strangelv Thank you kb9vqf np *Strangelv likes PNG for much the same reason. Strangelv "Gets rid of the main problem GIF has Strangelv Well, there was also the patent issue, but I believe that's gone in all jurisdictions by now *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ *Strangelv waves *MutantTurkey waves back *david has joined #trinity-desktop david hello MutantTurkey hey MutantTurkey david? Guest32813 Yep nickserver bit my name again :) Guest32813 Hye Q about cmake - howto handle .la & .moc files that get built? MutantTurkey no idea MutantTurkey how to do la or libraries of any sort yet MutantTurkey I haven't got that figured out yet. MutantTurkey :/ MutantTurkey are you working on kdegraphics as well? i saw some stuff in the ML. MutantTurkey wish i had svn write access >.> cause i have a few more apps done Guest32813 I'm looking at kwin-style-crystal and it has a crystal.la that I know I need - tde-add-library? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey but i do not know how the functions looks Guest32813 I'm just picking though other files and hoping I can figure it out... MutantTurkey :P yeah thats what I am doing MutantTurkey cmake isn't really so complicated. MutantTurkey you know how to do icons and such as well? Guest32813 So far it looks like tde_add_library ( kwin-crystal SHARED AUTOMOC SOURCES <then a whole sting of sources> Guest32813 No I have no clue on icons :( MutantTurkey yeah i saw some confustion on the ML. MutantTurkey and jeez i am quite annoyed. my email client on my phone only lets me top post D: Guest32813 It looks like the tde_add_icons is the icon trick -- what goes after it is still a blur :) MutantTurkey kde_add_icons( nameofprogram ) MutantTurkey thats it :P MutantTurkey basically. Guest32813 Ya, but how do you choose the icon? Find one you like and associate it? MutantTurkey no? MutantTurkey It gives you all of them installed MutantTurkey look in kruler, it installs all those icons, hi12-app-kruler.png for example, and installs them in the proper location Guest32813 Yes, kruler has been my go-by with a peek at kview as well MutantTurkey i did the cmake lists for kruler :) MutantTurkey glad to be of service Guest32813 I'm using a dir structure of applications/kwin-style-crystal but I'm using the 1.0.7 crystal source. MutantTurkey what source do we have? Guest32813 You did a great job on both kruler and kview - that's why I'm starting with them Guest32813 TDe has 1.0.5 crystal MutantTurkey yeah. I try to keep it simple MutantTurkey yeah. we need a serious code audit and overview. MutantTurkey I am glad darrell had such a strong message today Guest32813 It looks like Bugs, Bugs, Bugs is on the horizon, but I've got to figure out how to read this stuff before I can do any good :) MutantTurkey bug fixing is a good thing, I do not think any of them will be deep either Guest32813 Deep is a realitive term :) I can stare at the simple ones for hours.... Guest32813 Well, I'm going to work on crystal a bit more and get the kids in bed. I'll follow up tomorrow and let you know how I did :) *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-05T09:08:23Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey morning folks *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: hey how do I include a seperate library? samelian MutantTurkey: what you mean "include"? MutantTurkey the program (kamera) includes gphoto2.h MutantTurkey so in a regular make file it would be just like -lgphoto2 MutantTurkey but i don't know how to add the library to the includes MutantTurkey make sense? samelian first, you must detect if ghoto2 exists MutantTurkey yes, how? samelian depends MutantTurkey ? samelian if you luck, it come with pkg-config file MutantTurkey It does. samelian if worst case, you must check how autoconf detect it MutantTurkey pkgconfig detects it nicely samelian then, check how I did detection in ConfigureChecks.cmake samelian for knetworkmanager, for example MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey where is knetwork manager? MutantTurkey ah i got this MutantTurkey samelian: okay i made a ConfigureChecks.cmake, it detects the library, now what? samelian now you must added ${GPHOTO2_LIBRARIES} where is needed MutantTurkey ok thank you MutantTurkey samelian: I add that to the include_directories{} ? MutantTurkey or link_directories{} ? samelian depends samelian if you need headers, include MutantTurkey I'll need to link it also. so both? samelian if you need to link to libgphoto, in LINK section MutantTurkey ok samelian check how I did in applications/knetworkmanager/knetworkmanager-0.8/src/CMakeLists.txt samelian for DBUS_QT3_INCLUDE_DIRS MutantTurkey i don't have applications, D: MutantTurkey let me clone it now MutantTurkey okay next question, samelian. how do i build a library ( i think that is it) a .la file? I see it used in the Makefile.am often and do not know what to do samelian don't wory about .la files, are generated automatically MutantTurkey but i don't need to build an executable? i just need to build "kio_kamera.la" MutantTurkey so what function to i use? samelian depends samelian I guess that is a module samelian check in makefile.am for -module flag samelian I think is kde_module_LTLIBRARIES samelian so, is a module MutantTurkey ok samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess#tde_add_kpart samelian do not confuse modules with libraries MutantTurkey yes there is a -module flag samelian also, for libraries you must build it without "lib" prefix samelian but for modules, leave it as is MutantTurkey ok samelian for example, if your library is named "libblabla", use as name target "blabla" samelian for module use it as is, "libblabla" MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey hmmm. this is weird. i used "tde_add_kpart" and it makes an .so samelian if you forget this rule, you will be in big trouble MutantTurkey is that right? samelian yes, it is MutantTurkey what about the .la? samelian .la is actually am automake legacy MutantTurkey oh okay samelian is created automatically at install phase MutantTurkey but it says it should be called "kio_kamera.la" MutantTurkey instead should it be kio_kamera.so samelian yes, because is automake MutantTurkey or just kamera.so? samelian this is module, the right name is "kio_kamera.so" MutantTurkey ok thaks MutantTurkey and its DESTINATION is ${PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR}? samelian yes samelian in 99% of cases, destination for modules are ${PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR} samelian ${PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR} is /opt/trinity/lib/kde3 MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey crpa. MutantTurkey crap' MutantTurkey i just had it working then i broke it :[ MutantTurkey lol samelian hehe MutantTurkey hmmm, now that i am using tde_add_kpart it can't find GPHOTO2 again MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1w5 samelian you receive errors? MutantTurkey yes samelian show me samelian also, show me how you detect gphoto2 MutantTurkey no, because it was working before, the only change was the cmakelists. MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1w6 samelian show me how you detect gphoto MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1w7 samelian seems fine samelian is detected, right? samelian i'm pretty sure that you don't need BUILD_KAMERA samelian because is individual application MutantTurkey what? MutantTurkey why not? samelian you can't build kamera without BUILD_KAMERA flag, right? MutantTurkey no samelian so, is useless flag MutantTurkey what? MutantTurkey the point of the flag is so i can build with it MutantTurkey with -DBUILD_KAMERA=ON i can build it samelian if a flag cannot be deactivated, is useless MutantTurkey without the flag it doesn't do anything MutantTurkey it can be deactivated? samelian sure samelian remove conditional things related to BUILD_KAMERA flag MutantTurkey why? MutantTurkey and where MutantTurkey i am confused samelian because is useless samelian if a flag cannot be put to OFF, is useless samelian for example, remove if( BUILD_KAMERA ) line from configurechecks samelian and correspondent endif(), of couse samelian show me main cmakelists as well MutantTurkey why? we only need to check that if we want to build_kamera samelian so, why I will start to build kamera package, if I won't kamera MutantTurkey you lost me. samelian kamera is independent application or is part of kdegraphics? MutantTurkey oh. MutantTurkey it is an independent application MutantTurkey oh nevermind MutantTurkey sorry for being confused. MutantTurkey since it is a part of the entire package, we should just build it no matter what? samelian nope, my mistake MutantTurkey D: samelian my guess was that kamera is independent package samelian in this case, it's ok samelian ok, nevermind :) samelian try to run: samelian make VERBOSE=1 samelian and show me the log MutantTurkey ok samelian if you link kio-shared, kdeui-shared is not necessary MutantTurkey samelian: when i change it back to "tde_add_executable" it builds fine. MutantTurkey but links wrong samelian of course, these is no main() function samelian show me the log for executable and for kpart MutantTurkey log? just the output? samelian yes samelian output MutantTurkey this is executable: http://ix.io/1w8 MutantTurkey this is kpart: http://ix.io/1w9 samelian cleanup build tree, and try again MutantTurkey how? MutantTurkey make clean? samelian rm -rf *; cmake /path/to/src blabla samelian make clean is not enough samelian then show me entire output, including cmake output MutantTurkey dude i am so lost D: MutantTurkey hold up I'll be back in a efw MutantTurkey few' samelian haha, don't worry, take your time samelian ping me when you ready MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey samelian: got it fixed! MutantTurkey it was the LIBGPHOTO2 not GPHOTO2 to fix it samelian hehe samelian ok MutantTurkey yep :) MutantTurkey i think i should make alist of stuff i have done MutantTurkey like a chart MutantTurkey of what is done and not. MutantTurkey so we can stay orginized *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R blahh... trillian reset. -__- *Xu_R is back from tennisssss :D *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *64MAAAY3H has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop samelian initial partial cmake support for kdepim was commited to svn kb9vqf great :) samelian kb9vqf: I see in kdepim some packages which I have no ideea what they do samelian for example kgantt samelian what is this? kb9vqf samelian: A charting library samelian aha samelian also, I see some apps which have duplicate functions samelian kmobile, kandy, I think kitchensync as well samelian what knode is it? samelian also, i'm not sure if is any difference between kontact and kaddessbook MutantTurkey hey MutantTurkey samelain, kb9vqf anyone? MutantTurkey Xu_R: ? kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Hi MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey, so do you think it would be a good idea to get a list of the cmake progress MutantTurkey like a table of what has been completed and what not. kb9vqf Yes MutantTurkey in the wiki kb9vqf I believe David Rankin started one MutantTurkey okay, I'll try and put it together MutantTurkey oh cool MutantTurkey he has one for applications/ i think MutantTurkey David is sure alot of help kb9vqf Yes he is :) kb9vqf as is samelian *kb9vqf likes it when the various teams function properly MutantTurkey I am making good progress on kdegraphics MutantTurkey agreed MutantTurkey damnit, after i broke my finger i cannot type properly and i resorted to using just my pinky and my index finger as well as some other fingers, but i never use my middle finger. Xu_R what? Xu_R oh *kb9vqf can type pretty quickly with one hand if he needs to :) MutantTurkey its odd. Xu_R no wonder Trillian was flashing rapidly MutantTurkey yeah i mean i am a fast typer MutantTurkey and my left hand is perfect it's funny MutantTurkey my right hand just never learned how to do it properly Xu_R kb9vqf: NetworkManager is not HAL-dependent since the June 2009 commits kb9vqf ok kb9vqf good to know kb9vqf knetworkmanager uses DBUS kb9vqf so it should be OK MutantTurkey what's wrong with dbus? Xu_R kb9vqf: yup yup ^^ MutantTurkey dbus is great :) kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Nothing :) Xu_R dbus is awesome :D kb9vqf Although I would say that like any other tool it has its limits kb9vqf dcop and dbus overlap somewhat, but each can do things that the other cannot Xu_R true. but with enough programming, it can expand its reach :) kb9vqf global broadcast anyone? Xu_R oooh! oooh! lol kb9vqf When I see that in DBUS then we can get rid of DCOP kb9vqf Until then....not really kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey I bet if we added a dbus patch, dbus would accept it. kb9vqf And this would be after the CMake port, the udev/upower port, the bugs on the bugtracker, etc, etc, etc? Xu_R if you could wire dcop to dbus it'd be a hell of a lot nicer too :P MutantTurkey :P Xu_R kb9vqf: lol yes, we've got a long way to go MutantTurkey WHY IS IT ALL THE CUTE CHICKS I MEET HAVE BOYFRIENDS Xu_R ...LoL. MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey and have no concept of the computer, still looking for a cool nerdy chick. Xu_R anyways, just putting this out there: pardon my stalled progress, schoolwork always takes priority over all this :P just making sure you know that. MutantTurkey Xu_R: what are you working on? Xu_R MutantTurkey: packaging Trinity for Mandriva, Fedora, and openSUSE Xu_R as well as: working on a kernel, working on another distribution, working on a LFS project, and such... >_> MutantTurkey oh sweet MutantTurkey yeah, I've got about a zillion projects too Xu_R isn't it just great? lol MutantTurkey i guess MutantTurkey jeez i need samelian D: Xu_R (sarcasm... but it's hard to detect on irc :P) Xu_R umm... it's 4AM in samelian' Xu_R s time MutantTurkey thats why you gotta do </sarcasm> MutantTurkey so people know Xu_R lol MutantTurkey why is it 4am D: gosh. Xu_R MutantTurkey: he's +2, we're -5 MutantTurkey ah that explains it. Xu_R yup D: Xu_R hmm.. that makes me wonder... kb9vqf never told us his timezone :P Xu_R unless he's est too, which i'm going to assume. MutantTurkey Chicago Xu_R ah... so -6. MutantTurkey yes Xu_R hmm... well, my build server is completely busy (like, 3 cpus are building packages and a 4th cpu is using the irc bot, the ldap server, the wuala client, and the OS) Xu_R hmm.. *Xu_R goes to rewatch some prince of tennisssss MutantTurkey what kind of cpu? memory etc Xu_R amd athlon x2 quad core 64-bit :) Xu_R and 6 GB memory MutantTurkey hold jeesus Xu_R my main computer (this one) is intel quad-core 6 gb mem :P MutantTurkey damned you sir. MutantTurkey i have a 1.6ghz intel atom n330 .__. MutantTurkey 2gigs of ram (which is actually way more than i need tbh) MutantTurkey I need to figure out how to include libsane with cmake hrm Xu_R :( Xu_R DAMN IT, sCREW YOU GOOGLE VOICE CALLING TO CHINA MutantTurkey hahah lol Xu_R connection keeps dropping Xu_R grrr Xu_R woah Xu_R the dial tone ringer just changed... MutantTurkey don't get me started, my internet has been crapping out as of late. MutantTurkey dial tone is almost an F, so if you need to tune your guitar and you are stuck without a tuner, just get on your phone. Xu_R LOL MutantTurkey D: cmake makes me unhappy Xu_R heh Xu_R you should see the cmake source tarball Xu_R then you'd be VERY unhappy MutantTurkey wish david would be around MutantTurkey what do you mean the cmake source tarball? Xu_R the actual cmake source - building cmake itself is the biggest pain in the ass. MutantTurkey oh i can imagine MutantTurkey talk to you guys tomorrow, hopefully samelian is on. night *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: hey got a problem MutantTurkey I need to include libsane, with a standard make file i would just use the -lsane flags, but I don't know how with the whole cmake system, (pkg-config won't find it) samelian are you sure that sane did not provide pkg-file? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey it doesn'ty MutantTurkey the pc file isn't included with sane MutantTurkey it really typically wouldn't be needed I would just use -lsane samelian in this case, you're on your own :) samelian you must to do your own checks samelian at least to detect include files and libs samelian check configure.in, how autotools guys did MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey samelian: will i ever get write access to push all this stuff/ MutantTurkey ? samelian svn access, you mean? MutantTurkey yes samelian svn is under our control, you must to ask KDE sysadmins samelian is NOT MutantTurkey wow that is not good MutantTurkey so kde4 uses cmake? MutantTurkey Hmmm, I am stuck MutantTurkey i cant see how they did it with autotools samelian not kde4 MutantTurkey i think i may just define a variable that does -lsane ? *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop samelian you can't assume that libsane exists samelian you must check for it samelian and you must check for headers as well, because is -devel package are not installed, headers are not present MutantTurkey oh i forgot MutantTurkey because in archlinux they don't seperate the packages MutantTurkey I HATE HATEHATEHATEHATE THAT ABOUT DEBIAN ETC. MutantTurkey it is awful MutantTurkey always searching for the headers. MutantTurkey it simplifies everything to not include them, especially since its usually a very small file. MutantTurkey archlinux is made of devels, no sense seperating the packages arw__ depends on what you would like to use the system for. there are two reasons not to install -devel: disk space and security MutantTurkey disk space? It is not typically more than a few text files MutantTurkey and how does security play a part? arw__ e.g. on some small wireless router or something i can't afford having some big lib with debug symbols, and even a few hundred kB of headers are problematic MutantTurkey agreed, which make sense for a micro distro for routers arw__ and security is a weak argument, yes. theoretically you could prevent an attacker from compiling exploits on your box by not installing a -dev environment MutantTurkey right... that is a bit far fetched i think. arw__ but i agree that both arguments are not that convincing MutantTurkey just for the annoyance of having to install both headers and packages always bothered me. arw__ oh, and preventing legitimate users from installing software into their homes was the other part of the security argument. but thats equally stupid. MutantTurkey if you don't protect your account, that is an different issue arw__ the nice thing about the split between -devel and other packages is that -devel may install more dependencies MutantTurkey i like how pidgin does protection, all of your passwords are in plain text. why? because it relys on linuxs well designed security systems to avoid the need for more security MutantTurkey and with Arch, there is just a makedepends() variable. MutantTurkey so you don't need it if you are just installing arw__ and you do some 'install devel-deps $package' or something? arw__ the thing I find more annoying than missing -devel is missing -doc... samelian in most case -devel is not necessary at all samelian at least on binary distros MutantTurkey I think it should be included MutantTurkey arw__: we include everything together, except documentation (at least i think, not sure, i think larger docs are seperate, like gtk) *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: still can't figure that out D: samelian hehe samelian why not samelian MutantTurkey: show me how you attempted to detect libsane Xu_R kb9vqf: you said you wanted to move trinity away from svn.kde.org. just wondering, when do you plan to do that? Xu_R because it'd be easier for people to contribute fixes samelian and easier to broke things :) Xu_R that's why I like git better: branching, merging, and such... :P arw__ you forgot the two most important arguments (imho): speed and the ability to work "offline" Xu_R arw_: yes, that too :P arw__ oh, and git bisect! Xu_R i don't do that too often though xD Xu_R there's gitimmersion.com that Xu_R 's a great tutorial for git :D arw__ no, but in those situations where you need it, git bisect is often the only tool for the job. Xu_R true true. but i'm never in those situations xD arw__ e.g. i've found an obscure linux kernel problem on a network card within some 5000 commits. impossible without bisect. Xu_R wow.... you've got a sharp eye. i probably couldn't see it anyway even with bisect XD Xu_R (i'm oblivious. I was looking for milk when it was in front of me) arw__ no, it was something like "box hangs at NIC initialization with kernel B and doesn't hang with A. bisect all kernels in between and tell the maintainer which commit broke it." arw__ the maintainer did the rest. arw__ so "found a bug" may be a little exaggerated. but otoh it made for a far better bugreport than "some obscure revision of that NIC hangs at boot". Xu_R xD some obscure revision lol arw__ well. i've looked at the source of that network device driver. there are something like 50 different kinds of MACs and PHYs plus tons of variants of almost everything. arw__ and i've had that problem with one specific onboard card in a new box which nobody else had. even the realtek guy was surprised at what that thing did... arw__ therefore "obscure" MutantTurkey I say we don't use git. MutantTurkey as much as i like git, ( i use it for all my hosting, other than google code hosted projects ) switching over is a hassle arw__ but in the end it got fixed in something like 5 days total. no small part thanks to git bisect. MutantTurkey especially since svn works. Xu_R arw__: well, better to find the breakage than just complain :) git works for that part Xu_R MutantTurkey: yea, the svn -> git migration might be a pain arw__ and there is always git-svn to work with. MutantTurkey you can switch, it is just a hassle MutantTurkey I do not think that it is worth it, however something important is to get our own svn repos arw__ no, i mean you can point git-svn at the svn server and use git as a frontend to the svn server. that way you can use git while the server stays svn. MutantTurkey look, if we were using git, i would say stay with git, it's not about using one or the other, its about keeping it out of the way. MutantTurkey we have MUCH bigger problems :) *arw__ shuts up already :) Xu_R lol MutantTurkey anyway, i wish david was around here more often MutantTurkey I hate not knowing where everyone is with progress and such. Xu_R I have a proposition, since we are flooding trinty-devel so much with cmake fixes: Xu_R let's finish all the packages first (have people working on such) Xu_R and then have a bug-squashing day MutantTurkey haha we just need more people working on cmake MutantTurkey I mean i am trying but progress is slow and i don't understand so much. Xu_R the problem is, we have too many people trying too many things... MutantTurkey regardless, we need to start having meetings i think Xu_R the meetings I agree.. MutantTurkey like once a week meet up. MutantTurkey in here MutantTurkey or whatever. Xu_R sometime before samelian goes to sleep xD MutantTurkey make some announcements, the cmake team can say what we have done, etc, tim can talk about changes MutantTurkey yeah we will have to coordinate times and sucvh MutantTurkey anyway I'm off to watch some sean connery film :p MutantTurkey samelian: I have not found a way to do it, other than the pkg-config way which doesn't work MutantTurkey samelian: what if we just check for /include/sane.h and if it exists then build against it? MutantTurkey I don't know how to script that, but i imagine that would be good way to check Xu_R you know... this feels like a "let's use ietherpad" moment... MutantTurkey ietherpad? samelian MutantTurkey: checking for sane.h is first step MutantTurkey okay, I will work on that tomorrow, I've got to get off samelian check_include_file( "sane.h" HAVE_SANE_H ) MutantTurkey check for sane.h then maybe libsane.so or something Xu_R MutantTurkey: yea, check it out. collaboration :) MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey okay c'yall later Xu_R I'm going to bring up this topic on trinity-devel MutantTurkey good idea Xu_R topic brung up on trinity-devel Xu_R someone took trinity.ietherpad.com D: samelian please slap me when I write wrong in english :) samelian otherwise I will not learn it :) Xu_R samelian: :P Xu_R samelian: can you please mark your vote on http://lincom.ietherpad.com/8 ? (password "helloworld") this way I can keep track of votes reliably samelian time to sleep samelian gn all Xu_R night samelian! Xu_R ping kb9vqf, arw__, MutantTurkey, Strangelv, TokRa: I can use your feedback! see the lastest email from me on trinity-devel about weekly meetings :D kb9vqf Xu_R: Honestly I don't know if I can commit to once per week every week kb9vqf My free time comes in fits and spurts kb9vqf As long as you don't need me then it's a good idea :) kb9vqf I can see about setting up a meeting feature for tbottu kb9vqf what do you need? kb9vqf just the ability to record the meeting? Xu_R kb9vqf: something similar to this: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot kb9vqf I may have to give tbottu a brain transplant and switch to supybot kb9vqf :-P Xu_R XD Xu_R kb9vqf: add on here: http://lincom.ietherpad.com/8 Xu_R then add on here: http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 kb9vqf Be warned I may not get to it for a few days yet kb9vqf Or a week kb9vqf or two.... kb9vqf No sure Xu_R or never... xD kb9vqf *not kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf I still have a request in for the SVN server kb9vqf I don't have much free time right now Xu_R kb9vqf: please comment on the links above! :) because then we can grab all those ideas together... Xu_R nobody has any free time these days, not even me +_+" kb9vqf OK, how is ietherpad different than our Wiki? kb9vqf Other than that we may lose the meeting notes at some point in the future? Xu_R kb9vqf: realtime? kb9vqf that's it? Xu_R and we won't lose it, I'll download a copy of it XD kb9vqf Well, if you want to manage it kb9vqf I'll let you handle the meetings :) kb9vqf That includes posting the minutes/info to the trinity-devel mailing list Xu_R kb9vqf: okees :) kb9vqf The mailing list can be our backup data store ;-) Xu_R but you better stop in sometime and comment xD kb9vqf Fine with me Xu_R kb9vqf: XD i'll export it into every type format I can xD kb9vqf tbottu: ietherpad is http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 tbottu kb9vqf: ok kb9vqf Xu_R: I added the link to tbottu kb9vqf tbottu, ietherpad tbottu kb9vqf: ietherpad is http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 Xu_R awesome :D kb9vqf That's all I have to add for now :) Xu_R thanks for adding! :) kb9vqf np kb9vqf Xu_R: You may want to announce on-list that you are handling the meetings kb9vqf I'll leave it up to you to coordinate when/where kb9vqf if you need the IRC channel clear just let me know ahead of time kb9vqf Either that or I suppose I could register, say, #trinity-desktop-meeting kb9vqf We could run supybot in there Xu_R ok, that could work. kb9vqf Might be a good idea to keep the general #trinity-desktop support channel open at all times Xu_R done Xu_R #trinity-meeting Xu_R although I might keep using iEtherpad for its usefulness, that's just there just in case :) kb9vqf Xu_R: We don't have the right to use #trinity-meeting kb9vqf http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/ kb9vqf There are other "Trinity" projects out there kb9vqf but there is no other "trinity desktop" kb9vqf Xu_R: Sorry, wrong link: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming Xu_R ok. <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-03-07T02:22:14Z">+k +O </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-07T02:22:14Z">-k * </mode> kb9vqf Xu_R: You may want to announce on the trinity-devel list that you will be handling all aspects of the meetings, including scheduling kb9vqf That way I won't get queries about them :) Xu_R OK, will do :) kb9vqf Thanks Xu_R kb9vqf: i'll announce it a bit later, i'm tired and need sleep :) night! kb9vqf OK MutantTurkey kb9vqf: as for the list for cmake, in kdegraphics is have more done MutantTurkey just don't have access to add them ;) MutantTurkey night *david has joined #trinity-desktop Guest13995 Guys, just dropping by to say great work this weekend. The addition of kdepim is a milestone. You guys have a good week and we'll catch up tomorrow :) *Strangelv : http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2031357/kde-free-software-community-pledges-support-qt *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Piki /whos 64MAAAY3H *Piki has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-07T16:02:58Z">+o Xu_R|School </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="Xu_R|School" time="2011-03-07T16:03:22Z">-o Xu_R|School </mode> *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: I am working on kfile-plugins, but i am having some trouble. It is looking Qt Poppler, would that be the qt poppler from trinity? where is that? samelian i'm not sure, I think is external package MutantTurkey but the problem is, regular qtpoppler won't work, because it's fit for qt4 *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey TokRa: hey MutantTurkey any progress on the site? TokRa Alert! MutantTurkey detected! MutantTurkey :p TokRa MutantTurkey: not yet, due to the lack of time after being ill. I estimate to get it done this week. MutantTurkey feel better! and good work so far TokRa 10x *TokRa realizes people are waiting for it. MutantTurkey It would be nice to have it ASAP Xu_R|School hey all... Xu_R|School wondering if you guys wanted to go/no-go on weekly meetings? MutantTurkey go MutantTurkey I am all for it MutantTurkey I also like the check list. but i don't know why we need to use ietherpad MutantTurkey I would be just as content with IRC + some simple checklist php program Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: multiple people editing at the same time, know who edited what MutantTurkey but this is good progress, at least we are sort of gettting that orginized MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: sounds like a wiki. MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey It just re solves the same problem that has been solved before. It's not bad, but i don't see the need for a chat or whatever. Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: that's what kb9vqf said, but it's easier to do it in real-time. otherwise, my revision overwrites yours, and mine has less info TokRa Xu_R: where to? Xu_R|School TokRa: hm? a weekly meeting? TokRa Ahaa. We are dispatched all over the world. TokRa Or do you mean it virtually? MutantTurkey virtually :p Xu_R|School hehe Xu_R|School can you guys fill out the times you are available? http://doodle.com/2arwhkrdzenzkzdg Xu_R|School samelian: if you are go for a weekly meeting, ^^ Xu_R|School kb9vqf: also useful for you too, but i know you can't do every week (see link above) samelian hmm, I do not like very much meetings MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: where do you find these random sites? MutantTurkey samelian: no? why not. MutantTurkey i think they are helpful, keeps everyone on the same page. samelian maybe, but do not forget that we do this in spare time Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: all around :) that's the benefit of being subscribed to a billion mailing lists and then throwing them into labels :P MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: I think finding a time will be difficult. but not so hard. Xu_R|School samelian: yea, I know. that's why I'm just asking :) it's ok if we don't get things done on time - as long as it's done right. real-life always takes priority. MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: yeah midterms this week D; *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey i doubt i'll make any progress, i am going to finish kfile-plugins and that is probably about it. TokRa Xu_R|School: submitted Xu_R|School that's ok, only reason for meetings is so that all of us don't die in this mess of stuff :P Xu_R|School TokRa: :D MutantTurkey kb9vqf: what do you think about me getting a table at FOSSCON for Trinity? MutantTurkey I may be helping out with it and maybe could man a booth samelian me and kb9vqf are flooded with too much proposals at same time :) Xu_R|School lol MutantTurkey lol Xu_R|School samelian: hey, there's a selling point for a weekly meeting: we take a look of all these proposals and ignore half of them. xD TokRa By the way: is there an option to port KDE screensavers (I like kclock.kss) to the Gnome format? samelian hehe MutantTurkey :P lol. I think having just a todo list will help alot samelian the only "todo" at this time should be cmake, cmake, cmake samelian meeting finished :) MutantTurkey samelian: I have much of kdegraphics done Xu_R|School :P MutantTurkey what have you been working on? samelian MutantTurkey: very well samelian I try to finish kdepim in this life :) Xu_R|School anyways, you guys can mark your options on http://doodle.com/2arwhkrdzenzkzdg, and then we can go from there :D samelian it's huge MutantTurkey kdepim is what? Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: personal information management samelian kmail & friends Xu_R|School anyways, lunch is over. :) bbiab for programming class ^^ TokRa cu MutantTurkey samelian: oh okay. MutantTurkey kdegraphics is simple :P it is a good project to start with and learn i think samelian then you can continue with kdegames samelian pretty useless, but must be ported as well MutantTurkey okay good idea. samelian MutantTurkey: you should give some of your port samelian I will review it and will tell you what you wrong :) MutantTurkey nothing is wrong! :P MutantTurkey how do you want me to send it? MutantTurkey a tar ball? samelian sure MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey the whole thing? MutantTurkey I do not mind but it may be to large. samelian just cmakefile.txt cand configurechecks MutantTurkey there are many cmakelists.txt MutantTurkey many many samelian tar jcvf kdegraphics.tar.bz2 `find -name CMakeLists.txt` MutantTurkey samelian: will that retain the directory structure? samelian yes MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey can i send it over? samelian serghei@thel.ro MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey actually i cannot send it. I am ssh'd into my desktop, how can i send it from the command line? D: samelian telnet? :) samelian maybe mutt, i'm not sure MutantTurkey meh samelian or upload it somewhere MutantTurkey to ix! MutantTurkey ix.io is my favorite pastebin MutantTurkey because you can upload files too samelian but it working for files? samelian aha MutantTurkey via command line samelian so it samelian do it MutantTurkey http://ix.io/ MutantTurkey when you download it, just rename to kdegraphics.tar.bz2 ok? MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1wq MutantTurkey oh maybe not D: MutantTurkey Oh, silly me, i will upload it to my website MutantTurkey http://96.245.17.6/kdegraphics.tar.bz2 techie26 my first trinity install attempt from Debian 6.0.0 i386 KDE4.4.5 failed with: "unmet dependencies: kde-trinity : Depends: kde-core-trinity (>= 5:47)" . . . "Depends: kdeaddons-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5)" . . . "E: Broken packages". I am still rechecking for where I went wrong. If there is a 'most likely cause', pls point me there. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: ^^^ MutantTurkey techie26: sorry I do not use debian so I am not much help. if no one else is on the IRC i suggest a post to the Mailing List. people are quite active answering that. kb9vqf techie26: Post the entire installation terminal output to pastebin kb9vqf Then I can offer more helpful suggestions techie26 k, thx samelian MutantTurkey: never forget to install .desktop and .protocol files samelian without it your app will not working at all or, worse, will crashing in untraceable way MutantTurkey samelian: hmmm, which ones did i forget? I thought i rememberd them all. samelian when I create an CMakeLists.txt, first of all I done "other data" section MutantTurkey oh, and some i didn't even finish. samelian kamera/kioslave MutantTurkey I just sent you everything not just completed MutantTurkey kamera/kioslave ok. MutantTurkey what dir does kde_services_DATA go? samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess#Standard_install_paths samelian SERVICES_INSTALL_DIR MutantTurkey ok thanks samelian be very carefull, we will spend a lot of time trying to debugging uncomplete or wring written cmake files samelian trinity is very fragile system MutantTurkey :) okay MutantTurkey many of these that aren't working i simply just got started on and didn't finish. samelian bad ideea to start something before complete another one samelian also, do not link useless libraries samelian startup will increase samelian startup time MutantTurkey I do not know which is which sorry, there is no list or anything MutantTurkey i need your help with that. samelian it is, actually samelian kio_kamera_la_LIBADD = $(LIB_KIO) -lgphoto2 samelian you need only kio-shared MutantTurkey ? samelian kdeui-shared is useless MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey fixed that MutantTurkey and i added camera.protocol samelian you must review all cmake files MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey I will before i submit the entire tree samelian also samelian tde_install_icons( camera ) samelian tde_install_icons( camera_test ) samelian can be written as samelian tde_install_icons( camera camera_test ) MutantTurkey meh. samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess#tde_install_icons samelian do not forget to rename section names samelian #### kamera (executable) ######################## samelian tde_add_kpart( kcm_kamera SHARED AUTOMOC MutantTurkey should it be kcm_kamera? MutantTurkey ok samelian sure samelian and not executable, but module MutantTurkey oh D: MutantTurkey right samelian please use two spaces for intentation MutantTurkey what am i using? samelian tab, i think MutantTurkey no i am using 2 spaces samelian SOURCES kzcolorselector.cpp imageselection.cpp. samelian <------>texteditselection.cpp gradientselection.cpp colorselector.cpp. samelian must be: samelian SOURCES samelian kzcolorselector.cpp imageselection.cpp MutantTurkey it is 2 spaces then 2 spaces :P samelian not exactly samelian tab can be set to show 10 spaces samelian or one MutantTurkey my editor when i hit tab it inserts 2 spaces. samelian in kcoloredit i see tabs samelian check it MutantTurkey I just spaced it out samelian also, you finish directories with /, another time without / MutantTurkey does it matter? samelian no, but core looking sloppy :) samelian code* MutantTurkey meh. MutantTurkey then we need to make some sort of rules or something samelian for sure MutantTurkey cool samelian hehe, you should rename a lot of section labels :) samelian #### kruler (executable) ######################## samelian tde_add_kpart( kfile_ico AUTOMOC samelian is not executable, and for sure is not kruler :) MutantTurkey yes sorry MutantTurkey i also just notice i wasn't even building kcolorchooser :P fixed that MutantTurkey and yeah, i just copy and paste alot of redundant crap samelian also, avoid this kind of indent samelian install( FILES kfile_ico.desktop DESTINATION ${SERVICES_INSTALL_DIR} samelian ) MutantTurkey ok samelian is only one line, so close it with ) MutantTurkey yes makes sense *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: yes, it is many dumb formatting mistakes i will be sure to look over :) MutantTurkey samelian: fixed up alot! i'lll keep looking MutantTurkey It looks like we need to require poppler-qt3 *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey unfortunately that package relys on qt3, which on ArchLinux conflicts with trinity-qt3. D: I'll have to talk to David Rankin samelian aha MutantTurkey so once i get the packaging worked out i can build this baby. MutantTurkey samelian: what about docs MutantTurkey ? samelian i made some macros for docs, but don't bother with it right now MutantTurkey \ok MutantTurkey samelian: I got class, I'll catch you later samelian see ya *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-07T18:25:32Z">+o Xu_R|School </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="Xu_R|School" time="2011-03-07T18:25:47Z">-o Xu_R|School </mode> *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Xu_R: excellent work on the post on the ml :) *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: hey, I need some help with linking :/ samelian hit me MutantTurkey okay it can't seem to find poppler-qt3 even when i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/trinity/lib MutantTurkey let me show you my CMakeLists MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1ww MutantTurkey and when i just do "ld -lpoppler-qt3" it won't find it D: samelian maybe is not named poppler-qt3? MutantTurkey the library is named poppler-qt samelian show me output of pkg-config poppler-qt3 --cflags --libs MutantTurkey oh wait! :D MutantTurkey actually nevermind MutantTurkey -I/usr/include/poppler -I/opt/trinity/include/poppler/qt3 -L/opt/trinity/lib -lpoppler-qt MutantTurkey so I don't understand :[ MutantTurkey but then ld can't find it. MutantTurkey hold on gotta eat. MutantTurkey bbs techie26 http://pastebin.com/qqLE4H0H my first install attempt may have failed due to unstable system, it became unresponsive (including no mouse curser movement) a few minutes later techie26 Mar 07 07:07:26 techie26my first trinity install attempt from Debian 6.0.0 i386 KDE4.4.5 failed with: "unmet dependencies: kde-trinity : Depends: kde-core-trinity (>= 5:47)" . . . "Depends: kdeaddons-trinity (>= 4:3.5.5)" . . . "E: Broken packages". I am still rechecking for where I went wrong. If there is a 'most likely cause', pls point me there. kb9vqf techie26: It is possible (likely) that one of the KDE4 metapackages conflicts with Trinity *kb9vqf does not remember what they are called OTOH kb9vqf You may want to post to the mailing list kb9vqf We have several daily Debian users there kb9vqf They would probably know what is wrong right away kb9vqf Include a link to your pastebin techie26 k, then if I just reinstall the distribution with only gnome, would that work? kb9vqf Most likely techie26 k, thanks kb9vqf np MutantTurkey samelian: back D: samelian so, what is the problem? MutantTurkey ld can't link poppler-qt MutantTurkey for no apparent reason. samelian show me make output MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1wz samelian with VERBOSE=1, please MutantTurkey ok samelian and show me how you detect popler-qt MutantTurkey no need to. MutantTurkey It finds it without a problem, all the variables are filled in properly in CMakeCache.tx samelian seems that is not enough MutantTurkey no, it is ld that has the problem i think MutantTurkey I am not out of source. MutantTurkey but it doesn't matter MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1wA samelian there is no -L/opt/trinity/lib samelian show me poppler detection MutantTurkey ok :P samelian you use pkg-config? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey ix.io/1wB MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1wB samelian add ${POPPLERQT_LIBRARY_DIRS} to link_directories MutantTurkey where is that? samelian here: http://ix.io/1ww MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey ok samelian under ${TQT_LIBRARY_DIRS} MutantTurkey good work! MutantTurkey thank you very much i was quite confused MutantTurkey I'll have to remember trhat samelian ok :) MutantTurkey It's always the obvious ones that get me messed up :P MutantTurkey only a few more extensions then kfile-plugins is done samelian very well MutantTurkey very good' MutantTurkey you can say "very well" when in agreement, "very good" as in "good job" or "good work" samelian ok, thx :) MutantTurkey yep. I've also been fixing some cmake grammer errors along the way. MutantTurkey :-) samelian ok, just try to make error strings in consistent way MutantTurkey yes Xu_R MutantTurkey: thanks :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: It is good. what is this about a community meeting? *samelian hate korganizer :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: why not get whoever's out there using trinity, and bring them together for like a community day or something? that could be fun. suggestions, new ideas, etc... for *FUTURE* consideration MutantTurkey yeah agreed. MutantTurkey part of the website effort, to get the community drawn in ya know? MutantTurkey looking fresh, a new release soon kb9vqf samelian: Can you take a look at this? http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::1449 samelian kb9vqf: ok kb9vqf Thanks :) samelian kb9vqf: the line is TQFrame::Shape tqshape = frame->frameShape(); kb9vqf samelian: Is tqt.h included in that file? kb9vqf I don't know why that would fail samelian tqt.h is included everywhere kb9vqf Right samelian with -include tqt.h kb9vqf That line looks OK kb9vqf So I'm not sure what's wrong samelian I will try to rebuild kdelibs, to check if I can reproduce the error kb9vqf OK, thanks MutantTurkey samelian: ok, for ps/ I need to build kghostview, so i am starting on that now samelian ok MutantTurkey hmm it seems rather complicated. I will take a stab at it MutantTurkey samelian: how do include a library that is in the local directory? samelian depends samelian what you meaning "local" MutantTurkey in the same directory as the build samelian ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR} MutantTurkey in /kghostview/ i have to build library1 then link it to library2 then link executable to library2 samelian you do not need to know where libraries are located samelian cmake will find automatically MutantTurkey what is noinst_LTLIBRARIES? from a makefile.am samelian convenience library, staic samelian static MutantTurkey so how do i build it? MutantTurkey kpart or add_library? samelian tde_add_library( STATIC MutantTurkey ok samelian be careful, if you using in-source mode when you create cmake scripts, i'm pretty sure that will fail on out-of-source mode MutantTurkey D: why? MutantTurkey I don't understand why out-of-source is so important samelian because you will forget to include some directories MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey do i need to have a destination if there is no destination? samelian which are available on in-source, but unavailable otherwise samelian nope samelian static libs are not designed to be installed samelian are created only for internal linking MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey static libraries are much better in my mind :) MutantTurkey or static linking rather MutantTurkey samelian: dude, I can't get this. It won't see dscparse.so :[ MutantTurkey samelian: the whole thing builds okay, just doesn't link right samelian how me cmakelists MutantTurkey maybe you can take a look? ok MutantTurkey here: http://ix.io/1wC MutantTurkey that was not right. sorry i remove the line on LINK MutantTurkey whith the ${CMAKE blah blah samelian MutantTurkey: I told you, do not prefix libraries with "lib" samelian will be generated liblibkghostviewlib MutantTurkey samelian: no i think not MutantTurkey but ok MutantTurkey oh yes silly me :p samelian hehe samelian i'm old, but I remember that I told you samelian samelianalso, for libraries you must build it without "lib" prefix samelian samelianbut for modules, leave it as is samelian samelianfor example, if your library is named "libblabla", use as name target "blabla" samelian samelianfor module use it as is, "libblabla" samelian check irc logs MutantTurkey yes:P MutantTurkey i don't have logs :[ does tbottu do them? samelian sure samelian http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/irc/logs.html MutantTurkey wow sweet samelian MutantTurkey: also, remove the dot from ".${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/libsdcparse.so" MutantTurkey oh i got rid of the entire line. MutantTurkey or was that right? samelian actually for link, use sdcparse-shared MutantTurkey how? its static MutantTurkey it is local and static. samelian then sdcparse-static samelian static libs must be first samelian LINK sdcparse-static kdeprint-shared samelian sometimes you will have problems if you use wrong order for static libs, strange linking errors MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey Linking CXX shared library libkghostviewlib.so MutantTurkey /usr/bin/ld: libdscparse.a(dscparse.cpp.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC MutantTurkey so i tried with STATIC_PIC, but then it can't find it? samelian sure samelian you need STATIC_PIC when you linking a static against dynamic one MutantTurkey oh okay MutantTurkey and the name is now dscparse-static-pic ? samelian nope samelian remain -static MutantTurkey hmm ok MutantTurkey ok, but now it doesn't find it again D: samelian show me cmakelists samelian and the error as well MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey lists: http://ix.io/1wD MutantTurkey error: http://ix.io/1wE MutantTurkey eh? samelian link kparts-shared MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey maybe i should make a list of different stuff :p MutantTurkey okay cooL! MutantTurkey thank you very much. I have to get off for a while, but i'll finish kghostview and kfile-plugins/ps/ later samelian I must to go to sleep :) samelian gn all *Qu4Z has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: I think there is a collision samelian the line is TQFrame::Shape tqshape = frame->frameShape(); samelian and we have in tqt.h this definition samelian #define tqshape shape samelian actually must be ok, i cannot reproduce this bug with gcc 4.5.2 *techie26_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kghostview done! :D *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *same has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *Orby has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *applab has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-08T16:12:37Z">+o Xu_R|School </mode> *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|KindaAway has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-08T18:28:37Z">+o Xu_R|KindaAway </mode> MutantTurkey why does Xu_R have op status? MutantTurkey samelian: hey, do you have a minute? I am having a bit of trouble samelian MutantTurkey: sure <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="Xu_R|KindaAway" time="2011-03-08T18:53:25Z">-o Xu_R|KindaAway </mode> MutantTurkey ok, i have included ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/kghostview/ for kfile-plugins/ps/ because it needs dscparse, now it builds fine MutantTurkey the problem is that, it then can't find dscparse-static MutantTurkey i have ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/kghostview/ in include_directories as well as link_directories MutantTurkey any ideas? *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: D: samelian where is built dscparse-static? MutantTurkey kghostview/ MutantTurkey sorry i was away samelian MutantTurkey: when you build kfile-plugins, kghostview are built already? MutantTurkey yes samelian in this case dscparse-static must be detected automatically MutantTurkey how do we do that? samelian what? MutantTurkey how do we automatically detect it? MutantTurkey it seems to not work samelian just add dscparse-static to LINK samelian show me cmakelists and error MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey cmakelists: http://ix.io/1wN MutantTurkey error: http://ix.io/1wO samelian MutantTurkey: check if libdscparse.a really exists MutantTurkey you are my hero :P MutantTurkey apparently it works now. samelian ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/kghostview is useless in link_directories MutantTurkey must have done a make_clean :p MutantTurkey okay samelian in no way a module shouldn't installed into BIN_INSTALL_DIR MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR MutantTurkey right? samelian yes, please pay more attention to this details MutantTurkey i am sorry :/ samelian otherwise we will spend months to debug strange malfunctions MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey luckily i am learning a bit of awk and sed so i can deal with massive mistakes better *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: ok, now i need to detect libtiff, there is no .pc file (pkgconfig). so i think i have to use check_include_file( tiff.h ) ? samelian yes samelian and the library, of course MutantTurkey uh MutantTurkey how do i do that? MutantTurkey and then what do i evaluate if it found tiff.h or not samelian like this: samelian if( WITH_PAM AND (BUILD_KCHECKPASS OR BUILD_KDM) ) samelian check_library_exists( pam pam_start "" HAVE_PAM ) samelian if( HAVE_PAM ) samelian check_include_file( "security/pam_appl.h" SECURITY_PAM_APPL_H ) samelian endif( ) samelian if( HAVE_PAM AND SECURITY_PAM_APPL_H ) samelian set( PAM_LIBRARY pam;dl ) samelian else( ) samelian tde_message_fatal( "pam are requested, but not found on your system" ) samelian endif( ) samelian endif( ) MutantTurkey ok a bit confuse MutantTurkey check_library_exists is a cmake function? samelian yes *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop samelian MutantTurkey: http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake-2-8-docs.html#module:CheckLibraryExists Piki how's the cmake porting going? samelian as usul, slow :) MutantTurkey very slow ;p *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Piki we might speed things up a bit on the bu squashing day Piki bug* Xu_R wheeeeee! playing with fedora 15 alpha :D Xu_R only problem, does gnome shell work in vbox? nope Xu_R -_- Xu_R MutantTurkey: we're racking up quite a topic list XD Xu_R we're going to be able to go in depth now :) I didn't even know we had quite a bit of this before I suggested this idea XD Xu_R kb9vqf: I feel like an annoyance, but http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 has been really updated since you posted... by a LOT. If you have any of your wise recommendations, put it down before I announce the meeting date? Because we're going to discuss all that in like... pretty good detail :) kb9vqf Xu_R: No problem. I have looked at it some since, and there is a lot of good info there kb9vqf However much of it is being handled by other individuals (samelian, MutantTurkey, etc.) :) kb9vqf I will try to attend if you put the meeting on a weeked kb9vqf *weekend kb9vqf preferably at night kb9vqf otherwise I may or may not be there :) *kb9vqf notes that I may or may not be able to make it anyway, but.... Xu_R I know, I'm anticipating all possibilities :) Xu_R about today or tommorrow i'll have a definite time :) Xu_R kb9vqf: as it turns out though, I am getting a definite for Saturday night. *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Then I will probably be able to stop in Xu_R awesome :D MutantTurkey saturday night.... hmmm Xu_R, partying or going to a lame IRC meeting? LAME IRC MEETING ftw. Xu_R MutantTurkey: LOL xD MutantTurkey lols MutantTurkey D: i am screwed without samelian Xu_R you missed him by an hour D: MutantTurkey i know, was sleeping Xu_R The best thing to do ever: Sleep :D *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi MutantTurkey hey Piku MutantTurkey Piki: ' Xu_R MutantTurkey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRtvGNWmvfw LOL MutantTurkey no youtube here D: focusing on cmake! Xu_R MutantTurkey: lol fine fine. I'm just waiting for my build server to chilax a bit :-\ MutantTurkey hahah Piki Pika Xu_R MutantTurkey: my server has been like rebooting inside itself... >_>" Xu_R I can't tell if it's a side effect of using kvm and chroots to build, but ... whatever. MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey a kvm inside a chroot in a jail? Xu_R MutantTurkey: no, a chroot inside a jail inside kvm D: MutantTurkey D: Xu_R yea.... xD MutantTurkey I have most of kdegraphics done now MutantTurkey I do really like this checklist MutantTurkey because everyone is pointed to it ya know? Xu_R :D *Xu_R bows Xu_R Thank you! Thank you! :P Xu_R (jk0 Xu_R *) Xu_R at least now, we're all "almost" on the same page. There's the ironing out process, which shouldn't take long on the meeting. Xu_R hopefully. Strangelv "Where is the checklist again? Xu_R Strangelv: http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 make sure to follow pad etiquette at the top! :D add on as much as you know Strangelv "The odds of my trying a build cight now are not god, but I'm attempting to keep up. At the very least it could help we figure otu wheer to cram when I have time MutantTurkey kb9vqf: can we get that in the topic? Xu_R Strangelv: hehe, well, there's a meeting that's probably going to happen Saturday Night EST (GMT-5), if you want to join in Xu_R we're going to all talk in detail about this :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: you need to make the annoucements ASAP MutantTurkey i'd need to know a few days in advance Xu_R MutantTurkey: I was thinking tommorrow, but I can make it now. then... MutantTurkey if you are sure MutantTurkey what time is that here? MutantTurkey i mean, what time will we have it *Strangelv leacrhes teh conclusion that http://www.doodle.com/2arwhkrdzenzkzdg isn't going to work with his only stable web browser (fierfox 2) kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Ask tbottu kb9vqf tbottu: ietherpad tbottu kb9vqf: iirc, ietherpad is http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 kb9vqf tbottu: collaboration is http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 tbottu kb9vqf: ok kb9vqf tbottu, collaboration tbottu kb9vqf: Well, collaboration is http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 Xu_R Piki, you cannot really do Saturday? :( That's the best time for everyone... Strangelv tubotto, may we update the topic? kb9vqf I can't add anything else to the topic really Strangelv tubottu, may we update the topic? kb9vqf Without removing something Strangelv "noted Piki Xu_R, i work saturdays MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah, beta site may have to go :P Piki the only days i'm really available are tuesdays and wednesdays Xu_R Piki: :( Oh noes, that's the best... Strangelv :: is far more available in the evenings, but his attendance is a lot less important than most right now Xu_R Piki: wait, not around 7PM? O_o Piki i work thurs through sun Piki Xu_R, i get off at 7, takes time to walk home Piki actually, som days i work after 7 kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Besides, there is no password on that ietherpad document kb9vqf Someone could do a lot of damage... Xu_R damn.... hmm.... MutantTurkey kb9vqf: no kb9vqf ? MutantTurkey because there is revision history :) MutantTurkey so we can always jsut revert kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Here goes then... Xu_R cut off D: Xu_R Strangelv, what time zone are you? Xu_R I can offer you time selections if you cannot choose it yourself :-\ Xu_R nevermind, that works :) Strangelv "I'm central daylight time, but my circadian isn't 24 hour compliant. I rotate forward Xu_R kb9vqf: I'm moving it off the weekend since nobody can choose the Saturday :-\ Xu_R Strangelv, got it, thanks! Strangelv :: has it working witnh firefox 3.6, which sometimes crashes twvice or more a day still Xu_R Strangelv: ah, i see. Strangelv "although 3.0 until the later 3.5s were a lot worse Strangelv "There's a reason I still use 2.0 Piki actually, i'm not available every single tues/wed, it can change unexpectedly from week to week, or sometimes day to day MutantTurkey 4.0 beta! Xu_R Piki: are you available this coming Tuesday? MutantTurkey actually it is nicer than 3.6 but very slow i think Xu_R You marked it as yes... MutantTurkey it is all very slow Strangelv "Is that noticeably moer stable than 3.x for you? Xu_R I'm goign to set one date, and then we can discuss and collaborate from there. Piki Xu_R, so far, yes, but again it can change unexepectedly Xu_R Piki: fine by me :) MutantTurkey Strangelv: no crashes so far Piki if something happens, i can review the logs Strangelv "Last version I had no crashes with was 1.1 alpha on NT 5.0 -- the otry time it went down was when the memory leak took out the entire operating system Piki i was thinking that we should setup a devel channel, keep our devel work separate from the support Xu_R I'm going to always post meeting minutes :) Piki but keep them open Strangelv "I've been told 3.x is a lot more stabel when not running 64 bit Xu_R Piki: way ahead of you. We have #trinity-desktop-meeting for the devel work and stuff. :) MutantTurkey Piki: well the thing is MutantTurkey yes, eventually Xu_R I am closing the doodle poll, any last minute changes should be made in the last few seconds. MutantTurkey but we are only at 15 people in the room :p Piki aha! Xu_R Piki: but realize, we are still going to do stuff here for now :) Xu_R that is only usually for meetings Piki yes kb9vqf Xu_R: #trinity-desktop-meeting is ONLY for meetings :) kb9vqf This is the main devel channel kb9vqf For now MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey i agree Xu_R yes, for now :) *Xu_R has closed the doodle poll! Xu_R sending out notice to trinity-devel in a few moments... Piki i'm working on my list of packages for Ark to put on the ethernote page, but not guaranteed to actually start packaging any time soon. i can use my desktop if need be, but it's hard disk may fail soon Piki wandering if i should post my list now or later Xu_R Piki: go for it, but be quick :) If you are going to build off of 2008.1, I will lend you build service space. If for dockyard-devel, that'll have to wait. :-\ Piki dockyard-devel, we need to concentrate on a new release, it's been too long Xu_R Piki: yea... only reason I'm renewed in Ark is because bero appeared a week ago :P Xu_R (and yet... he's still busy as hell.) MutantTurkey Piki: post a new list it wold be good Piki bero's still working on Ark, he has the installer and qtparted on qt4 now, just need to finalize some packages to release a new iso *Xu_R just sent the new dev email Piki MutantTurkey, i'm working on a list now Xu_R Piki: please follow pad etiquette above and mark your name so that we know your colour :) Piki would kbfx be worth it to build? Piki Xu_R, yes :-) MutantTurkey Alright, night everyone! progress is slow but it is moving along none the less. Piki just as long as it moves ;-) Piki cya MutantTurkey MutantTurkey I will not be on tommorow, as I have much school work. MutantTurkey goodnight. and good luck. Piki 11PM UTC... 6PM EDT? (i always get confused when it comes to Savings/Summer versus Daylight, i really should get that straight :-) Xu_R hmm... that makes it 8PM EDT here, we go forward an hour Xu_R As soon as DST passes, I'll make sure to reiterate the times, because DST may screw things up a bit. Piki hmm, i think DST makes us UTC-4 hours? that would technically be 7PM Piki 11-4=7 Piki or am i getting mixed up? Piki i'll probably be on early, so i don't think it would be a problem, i'll need to get myself synchronized for future meetings though Xu_R don't know *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-09T03:23:59Z">+o Xu_R </mode> Xu_R hm... and then trillian spazzes... o_o Xu_R anyway, night all *kb9vqf_offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf_offsite Xu_R: How'd you get op status here? <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-03-09T07:46:45Z">-o Xu_R </mode> TokRa * Xu_R (~43.dev.li@c-69-136-234-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Xu_R *kb9vqf noticed kb9vqf Seems I sent some commands to the wrong channel earlier kb9vqf Problem fixed :) TokRa ^_^ kb9vqf tbottu manages permissions on this channel, not chanserv tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'manages permissions on this channel, not chanserv' might be. kb9vqf heh kb9vqf TokRa: How is the new website coming? kb9vqf I have enabled svn.trinitydesktop.org kb9vqf MutantTurkey: ^^^^^^^ TokRa Still isn't, I estimate to get it done around the friday. kb9vqf OK kb9vqf If it isn't done soon I'll have to use MutantTurkey's version ;-) kb9vqf We need the new site out yesterday TokRa :( kb9vqf I'll give you 'till the weekend TokRa ok kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Can you let MutantTurkey know about the svn site? kb9vqf svn.trinitydesktop.org kb9vqf He wanted svn for packaging kb9vqf It is now available kb9vqf Anyone involved in the project on the packaging end is free to use it *TokRa will notify him when he comes here kb9vqf Just Email me for an account kb9vqf Thanks :) TokRa I've sent him an email too TokRa btw, congratulations with the brand new desired domain name Strangelv :: looks at http://trinitydesktop.org/ and cheers loudly *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa :) *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf_offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf_offsite samelian: Can you take a look at this patch? v kb9vqf_offsite http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/attachment.cgi?id=60&action=diff kb9vqf_offsite It looks good to me kb9vqf_offsite I'd like to commit it to SVN but I wanted a second set of eyes to glance at it first :) samelian sure *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey dude, Inga told me about the SVN, hopefully i can get an account setup, as well as david? kb9vqf_offsite sure :) MutantTurkey great MutantTurkey I've got to write this paper by 1:30 so i can't be on now, but later tonight i should be able to MutantTurkey cya! *MutantTurkey has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School kb9vqf_offsite: Saw the svn stuff on iEtherpad :) Can you give me space for fedora, mandriva, and opensuse? I can mirror my stuff to svn as a backup. kb9vqf_offsite Sure kb9vqf_offsite Creating accounts and sending out Emails now.... Xu_R|School kb9vqf_offsite: :D thanks! Xu_R|School (and thanks for removing the autoop, I didn't want it anyway here. This is YOUR domain :P) kb9vqf_offsite That's OK kb9vqf_offsite I sent the commands to the wrong channel earlier :-P kb9vqf_offsite When I was granting the world to you on the #trinity-desktop-meeting channel Xu_R|School kb9vqf_offsite: hehe kb9vqf_offsite Check your Email Xu_R|School got the email :D kb9vqf_offsite SVN stuff is waiting kb9vqf_offsite OK samelian kb9vqf: the patch seems pretty ok, except some stylistic inconsistencies samelian like indeting and using std:: function instead Qt one samelian actually seems that original code using std:: as well samelian for example, std::min(a,b) have a qt equivalent - QMIN(a,b) kb9vqf_offsite In this case the std:: usage is probably OK kb9vqf_offsite std:: won't change kb9vqf_offsite and is platform independent kb9vqf_offsite Actually, I wonder why QMIN exists at all *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi TokRa Piki proximity alert. Raising shields... Piki ? TokRa nevermind, just kidding :0 Piki may end up having to d/c, my internet is a bit laggy and keeps dropping off, and it looks like there may be a storm coming Piki wimax connection here *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs hi guys Piki hi aalecs got an issue; described in here, http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=456 but if someone here could help.. would be awsome :D tbottu Bug 456 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, kdesktop crashes under altlinux sisyphus samelian aalecs: esti roman? aalecs da serghei :) samelian in sfarsit cineva cu care ma pot intelege :) aalecs pai de ce, ca pe vremea cand mai intram pe lug parca stiai si engleza (joke) aalecs :)) samelian eh, engleza mea nu e asa buna aalecs ah samelian am mai exersat pe aici aalecs io pot zice la fel de rusa mea, dar de cand cu altlinux mai pricep una alta samelian hehe samelian ia sa vedem de ce iti crapa tie dracia aalecs glibc, cred aalecs da n`am timp sa recompilez de la coada, iar masinile din rusia au deja treaba multa, asa ca daca chiar e de acolo, o sa mai stau pe xfce un timp :D samelian aha samelian oricum noi nu prea mai avem timp de 3.5.12 samelian ne chinuim sa trecem trinity la cmake aalecs daca de ex ne apucam io si cu astia care mai folosim 3.5 (cas multi care stau pe 4 gen) sa compilam 3.5.13 ? ar avea rost ? samelian depinde ce anume ai nevoie samelian eu deja il folosesc samelian am portat programele care imi trebuiau mie aalecs si sub ce glibc respectiv gcc ? io am nevoie de tot de/wm pt ca desi imi place xfce, kde 3.x mi`a placut si mai mult aalecs iar de gnome nu vreau sa auz :D samelian teoretic ar trebui sa mearga pe orice glibc samelian eu testez cu gcc 4.5.2 si e ok aalecs hm, daca imi fac timp sa iau totu, sa pregatesc spec-urile si sa pun in git, da o sa fie abia in weekend samelian pana acum sunt portate asa: kdelibs, kdebase, kdevelop, kwebdev, kmail, kopete, kmix si alte cateva programele mici aalecs 4.5.1 aici, si glibc 2.11.3 aalecs ca tot tipa astia pe niste forumuri ca de la glibc ar fi aalecs si ca tde are chestii scrise aiurea samelian la tine e ceva cu operatorul new samelian eu am glibc 2.11.3 si nu crapa la modul descris de tine aalecs dar crapa vreun pic ? samelian foarte rar, dar tine cont ca eu folosesc versiune de development aalecs mda, corect si asta samelian altlinux e rpm based, parca aalecs da, cu apt, dar rpm samelian mai sunt pe aici cativa care fac pachetele pt fedora si altele asemenea aalecs io trebuia sa ma ocup exclusiv de tde pe alt, dar s-a apucat altcineva mai inainte samelian daca ai nevoie de ajutor pt cmake, cauta-ma aici sau pe listele de email sau chiar pe email-ul meu personal aalecs asa ca colaboram si poate`l reparam aalecs o sa ma inscriu pe liste aalecs ca pana acu n`am apucat samelian eu sunt pe IRC tot timpul, pinguieste-ma cand ai nevoie aalecs aham :) aalecs da cum de te`ai apucat de kde, adica sa invii mortu ? samelian pai folosesc kde de cand ma stiu samelian si kde4 e orice, numai kde-ul pe care il cunosc eu nu e aalecs mie 4 nu`mi place deloc aalecs mda, stiu samelian avem planuri mari, dar deocamdata doar eu si Tim suntem capabili sa programam in Qt samelian momentan ma concentrez sa termin cu cmake, da' kde e mare rau aalecs indeed e mare :D samelian deja am creat peste 1300 de fisiere cmake, si sunt foarte departe de finish aalecs o sa incerc in weekend daca am timp sa vad sa iau 3.5.13 sa il construiesc aalecs sa vad poate pleaca samelian merge samelian vezi ca ai nevoie de qt carpacit aalecs dupa aia fain ar fi (pt mine ma rog) sa compilez si baghira pt el aalecs cand stateam pe 3.5.10 il foloseam cu baghira samelian ce e baghira? aalecs imi placea mie cum dadea pe ecran :D aalecs stai asa aalecs http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/8692-1.jpg aalecs macos like samelian aha, pare interesant samelian ar aduce un suflu nou aalecs nui mare rahat, mergea pe 3.5.10, nu vad de ce n`ar merge mai departe aalecs da samelian poate il bagam in kdebase, daca e complet si merge bine aalecs o sa incerc sa iau sursele si sa compilez sa vad de merge, sa fac spec pt el samelian aha aalecs vroiam si io sa ma apuc sa invat qt sau gtk aalecs ca sa fac o aplicatie de management produse oscommerce aalecs genu la aia facuta de spaniolu ala, da pt winblows aalecs aista`i baghira http://baghira.sourceforge.net/ samelian nu folosesc oscommerce, habar n-am aalecs o chestie asa http://www.mariovaldez.net/software/oscpmwin/screenshots/200705/main_window.png samelian te legi direct la baza de date? aalecs da aalecs ma rog o sa o vreau prin tunel samelian aha, merge cu qt4 samelian ala are suport nativ pt baze de date aalecs da sa il implementez apoi si sub mac, win etc, merge ? aalecs ca aici citisem cas probleme samelian da samelian nu sunt probleme aalecs bun asa samelian eu am facut multe aplicatii qt4 pt lin si win si sunt ok aalecs misto aalecs ma gandisem la qt3/4, gtk sau fltk aalecs da creca o sa fie qt aalecs mai ales daca`l pot face nice and shiny :)) samelian dap samelian gtk si fltk nu au look nativ aalecs da, dar si astea pot fi facute cat de cat sa arate bine; plus ca atunci cand imi venise mie ideea aalecs citisem ca ar fi mai usor de implementat aalecs ca oricum mare branza nu e samelian mai simplu decat qt nu cred ca exista aalecs decat sa tunelezi cumva prin ssh, si sa ceri lu localhostu respectiv acces sql aalecs si de acolo e sql pur aalecs ma rog ca mai trebuie un modul wysiwyg pentru descrieri etc ca sa nu pui useru sa scrie html samelian pt ssh poti sa folosesti direct libssh aalecs da in rest nui mult aalecs dap samelian de fapt cu qt4 poti sa o faci direct prin https samelian asincron, si tot tacamul aalecs mda samelian apelurile sql normale sunt blocante aalecs tresa ma gandesc la asta dupa ce ma mai eliberez aalecs ma rog, dacaas face un gui complet cu setari si tot, ar fi super aalecs da mai am de modificat la platforma pt asta aalecs desi e o platforma bunicica, e scrisa cu curu aalecs inca depinde de fisiere .inc pentru limba aalecs in loc sa fie totu in sql samelian eu prefer sa-mi scriu singur aplicatiile e-commerce samelian iar pt multilanguage merge gettext aalecs desi am ceva cunostinte, nu`s as in programare, si am cam fugit de scris de la 0 samelian am testat magento, da' e prea complicat ala aalecs l`am vazut si eu la un amic aalecs e cam bullshit samelian cand folosesti chestii default, e ok samelian dar cand trebuie sa scrii ceva mai deosebit, ai pus-o aalecs e bullshit ca e mult mai greoi decat oscommerce aalecs mie asa mi s-a parut samelian este aalecs ca se misca mai rau *David-Konqi has joined #trinity-desktop samelian asa sunt toate framework-urile MVC, toate se misca greu aalecs dragut qfaxreader aalecs :D samelian hehe, da, l-am cam abandonat saracu; aalecs vad ca te`ai bagat si pe chestii pentru cs/hl samelian fax nu se mai foloseste, dar e bun pt vizualizat fisiere tiff multipagina aalecs da samelian da, cs-ul e un hobby :) samelian sau era samelian ca nu prea mai am timp de el aalecs io am mai bagat urban terror aalecs desi de ceva vreme am luat pauza samelian am imbatranit :) aalecs mai avem ceva pana la pensie :)) vestea rea e ca nu mai apucam pensia in stilu asta samelian hehe, corect aalecs ce platforma e wifimag > aalecs proprie ? samelian da samelian stii prea multe despre mine, mai ceva ca SRI-ul :) aalecs php, perl ? samelian php samelian perl nu prea il sufar aalecs am cautat pe google :D aalecs google stie :)) aalecs de pe thel am ajuns pe magazin aalecs io facusem de manuta bazat pe nopcart pt partea de comanda samelian aha *David-Konqi has left #trinity-desktop aalecs adica treaba asta http://usideinterior.eu/personal/0506.php aalecs alegi, dai calculeaza.. apoi comanda aalecs pac-pac aalecs :) samelian interesant aalecs dragut si airmax :D samelian hehe, aia e versiunea 1.0 samelian dupa aia m-am razgandit si l-am transformat in ce se vede pe wifimag aalecs airos astea sunt linux based ? sau bsd ? samelian cred ca sunt un soi de linux-uri samelian are si SDK opensource aalecs ca am un amic care are ceva in genu, da ii zicea altfel sistemului, si era cu ceva licenta.. desi era linux based samelian probabil ceva de la mikrotik aalecs nu, ca astea le stiu aalecs altfel le zicea aalecs ma rog, calin serbanescu, nu stiu daca stii de el, o freca si el pe lug samelian da, il stiu samelian ok, sa revenim la oile noastra, poluam chat-ul cu barfe :) samelian asta se si logheaza aalecs da :)) aalecs corect aalecs dupa ce ca vorbim in alte limbi aalecs :D samelian hehe samelian lasa ca mai sunt si rusi care intre pe aici samelian TokRa e lituanianca parca, mai vb si ea in rusa cu unii aalecs latvia, da aalecs ma rog, revenind la trinity aalecs 3.5.13 e cmake sau nu ? samelian fata asta lucreaza la o noua versiune de site samelian da, e cmake aalecs complet sau partial ? samelian autotools nici nu stiu daca mai functioneaza samelian partial samelian acum lucrez la mizeria aia de korganizer aalecs aham. macar sa se compileze ca dupa aia ii fac io spec aalecs ca presimt ca specu de la 3.5.12 n`o sa se mai pupe samelian rezultatul ar trebui sa fie cam la fel samelian de fapt m-ar ingrijora daca nu ar fi la fel aalecs ma rog, noi avem si ceva autoconf pe acolo aalecs d-aia zic aalecs ca va trebui periat samelian cu cmake va fi infinit mai simplu samelian nu ai probleme nici cu make -j 8 aalecs e bun samelian am inteles ca autotools nu mergea sa compileze kdelibs cu -j mai mare de 21 samelian 1 aalecs oricum fac build mai intai pe masina mea si apoi pun pe gear builder samelian bun, merg la dus samelian daca vrei ceva, imi dai ping samelian si iti raspund aalecs nu de alta da dupa aia ma trezesc ca stau ca vita si nu merge aalecs ok samelian ok? aalecs enjoy samelian haha samelian ok aalecs ne mai auzim pe aici, ma bag sa mai lucrez samelian ok, spor aalecs 10q aalecs b-bye :-h samelian see ya TokRa samelian: I'm latvian, not lithuanian ;) aalecs haha aalecs i told him latvia :D TokRa btw, some years ago I have tried to learn Romanian aalecs so you understood all ? aalecs :D TokRa I have got books, manuals, vocabularies, but... my lazyness was way stronger than my wish :( aalecs cool :)) TokRa No, I didn't TokRa Still I am aware of Google Translate though :P aalecs i`m with russian, but i didn`t have time to go further aalecs i`m searching for a book that can teach me russian in 2-3 days, 1week at most aalecs :D *TokRa speaks Latvian, Russian, French, a little English, learns Spanish. *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-09T23:56:01Z">+o tbottu </mode> Piki i'll hopefully be pestering you guys to death soon ;-P samelian kb9vqf_offsite: remove CMAKE_SKIP_RPATH argument kb9vqf_offsite ok, let me fire that off samelian for kdelibs you shouldn't use CMAKE_SKIP_RPATH as well samelian http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake-2-8-docs.html#variable:CMAKE_SKIP_RPATH samelian rpath is removed anyway at installing stage kb9vqf_offsite technically I didn't set it kb9vqf_offsite Debian/Ubuntu did kb9vqf_offsite I am manually unsetting it now samelian bad Debian :) kb9vqf_offsite :) kb9vqf_offsite Ah, yes, now I remember that variable kb9vqf_offsite I forget why Debian shuts it off kb9vqf_offsite Shuts off RPATH that is kb9vqf_offsite Seems odd for a binary distro samelian for arts the rpath is necessary becayse it runs mcopidl kb9vqf_offsite right samelian and mcopidl needs libmcop.so.1 kb9vqf_offsite so should I just leave RPATH activated for tqtinterface, arts, and kdelibs then? kb9vqf_offsite Or should I activate it for the entire build? samelian arts and kdelibs only kb9vqf_offsite ok *kb9vqf_offsite will probably leave it alone in tqtinterface samelian i'm not sure if there are another packages wich runs generated binaries *kb9vqf_offsite does not know of one samelian WITH_QT3 is necessary only for tqt samelian and BUILD_ALL is necessary for splitted packages, kdelibs and above kb9vqf_offsite I added the info to the Wiki samelian ok samelian also, you must activate desired options using WITH_SOMETHING samelian is like --with Piki kb9vqf_offsite, i think there's a config error on trinitydesktop.org/wiki, i tried doing a search on the developers web and it looks like it's trying to redirect to trinity.pearsoncomputing.net Piki but it complains of an unsafe redirect and cancels my search *Roey has joined #trinity-desktop Roey hi Roey what's KDE's relationship with Trinity? i.e. do they support your efforts, do they bash them, etc. samelian so far, no relationship of any kind :) Piki the trinity svn is currently on the kde servers Piki i don't know if we're keeping svn there Piki other than that, none Roey ah, got it Roey who's Timothy here Roey ? Piki he's kb9vqf and kb9vqf_offsite Piki samelian is the cmake artist Piki we've got other people helping cmake, samelian's the main guy though samelian poor me :) Piki samelian, you're rich in skill :-) samelian unfortunately, haha *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey yo Xu_R whats the word for this meeting? Piki Roey, meet MutantTurkey, he and tokra are work on a new website for trinity Piki hi MutantTurkey MutantTurkey Roey: hey man hows it going. Roey MutantTurkey: hola :) MutantTurkey who's Roey? new guy? Piki i think so, haven't seen him before Roey I cam here after George Wright mentioned to me that he's switched to Trinity MutantTurkey Piki: has David been around at all Roey George Wright used to develop for KDE Piki MutantTurkey, i've been on about an hour, haven't seen him MutantTurkey Roey: well I'm glad you have switch to the better camp :) MutantTurkey Piki: shucks. samelian !seen david tbottu david was last seen 2 days, 19 hours, 3 minutes and 21 seconds ago, changing nick to Guest13995. Roey what do you mean, better camp? MutantTurkey samelian: yeah he's not to frequent Piki Roey, kde4 -> TDE MutantTurkey yeah. camp as in following as in users :p MutantTurkey sorry for being unclear, I always forget people are from all over the world on the internets :P Roey hehehe Roey I'm in washington dc :P MutantTurkey samelian: haven't gotten any work done today on cmake, have tomorrow free and pretty much friday also. hopefully will be able to do some then MutantTurkey Roey: sweet. philly baby xD samelian good MutantTurkey we are having an trinity party, and when we do. a party it shall be. MutantTurkey Xu_R is in D.C, Piki is in shitts i mean pittsburgh, and me in philly samelian is not very funny for me, because i'm GMT+2 :) MutantTurkey D: where is that? *MutantTurkey awful memory Roey MutantTurkey: East Coast rocks :) Piki MutantTurkey, remember the logs, we need to keep language clean :-) Piki but yes, pittsburgh is pretty bad Roey Xu_R: I hear you're in DC, what's this about? MutantTurkey Piki: sorry D: MutantTurkey Roey, Xu_R: FOSSCON is in Philidelphia this year, we could run a Trinity booth! MutantTurkey I don't know if you guys would want to take the train or whatever, but its in july and would be sweet Piki fosscon? MutantTurkey free/open source software conference Piki oh *samelian waste time playing with precompiled headers :) MutantTurkey Piki: would you be down to do it? Piki MutantTurkey, if there's a bus that can get me there and back, and if it's not too late in the day MutantTurkey its an all day event MutantTurkey maybe you could crash at my place for the night or something Piki the only person who could (my mom) take me won't because she thinks i want to take over the world, and the people who would can't Roey cool :) Roey MutantTurkey: how big of a community do you have for trinity at the moment? Roey since you released 3.5.11 MutantTurkey Roey: we are at 3.5.12 Roey I know MutantTurkey It is hard to gauge the amount of users Roey I read all about it on your site MutantTurkey the developer lists has really been getting busy, to the point of being hectic lately. MutantTurkey i can only assume that refects the increasing interest of the users. MutantTurkey we have had almost instantly people noticing when our servers are down, and tim reports web traffic has never been higher :) Piki we're picking up interest pretty fast MutantTurkey with the 3.5.13 release we hopefully will get alot of steam. MutantTurkey I mean, I've only been around what? for a month maybe? I'm pretty new myself Roey awesome samelian I started working on cmake few months ago, in octomber 2010 MutantTurkey Roey: one of our goals is to start packaging for alot more distros (we are working on Arch, OpenSuse, slackware, debian, ubuntu etc. so we really want to open it up to everyone Piki hopefully within 1.5 weeks, i'll add Ark to the distro list Roey btw, is packaging a manual endeavor or can it be scripted so that all the different distro's debs can be made at once MutantTurkey Roey: we have a build farm :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: sent an email to trinity-devel about it, it's a go for Tuesday night 1900 Piki not everybody uses debs MutantTurkey its mostly just setting up the packages, testing them out, making sure no conflicts with kde 4.5 such like that MutantTurkey also what Piki said. Piki KDE 4.6 MutantTurkey Xu_R: 1900 at GMT -5? MutantTurkey 4.x Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes MutantTurkey ok Xu_R MutantTurkey: and nice! Why don't you host the booth XD I can't just come up from DC, you know D: MutantTurkey 1900-1200=700 ok! 7pm. MutantTurkey Xu_R: yeah, but you could for a weekend MutantTurkey it is in july also MutantTurkey so no school :) MutantTurkey plus I bet you can crash at my pad Xu_R MutantTurkey: I've got dumb summer school cause I have to clean up some credits :( and I'm heading to china for 3 weeks +_+ Roey MutantTurkey: heh :) MutantTurkey D: samelian there is morning already, gn all :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: well i'll let you know closer in, if we get a table MutantTurkey samelian: go sleep ;) Roey whi8ch booth Xu_R MutantTurkey: awesome :D Piki MutantTurkey, if you give the date, i can see if i can get out there Roey er, which conf Roey conferen e MutantTurkey Roey: FOSSCON Xu_R samelian: yea, go sleep sleep :) Roey ooh, I didnt' know that existed Roey cool MutantTurkey Piki: Xu_R: gotta talk to some people MutantTurkey Roey: yeah its cool (never been heard good things) Xu_R MutantTurkey: you might need kb9vqf to sponsor, concerning they probably will narrow eyes if ... hehe... -_-* (they still treat us like kids once we give them our age xD) MutantTurkey it is free. Roey parser error: clause enclosed in parenthesis grammatically incorrect MutantTurkey to be a table, as long as you are open source MutantTurkey Xu_R: plus i have connections :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: :D btw, planning to add to svn soon? Roey MutantTurkey: Roey: yeah its cool (never been heard good things) Roey MutantTurkey: what did you mean by "never been heard good things"? MutantTurkey Xu_R: what for the one tim setup? Xu_R MutantTurkey: yea MutantTurkey Roey: I haven't been, but i've heard good things MutantTurkey Xu_R: not yet. bio exam tommorow xD Xu_R MutantTurkey: lol. I've got Government, Chemistry, Precalculus friday D: MutantTurkey D: next week is spring break, so i have had 3 test and a paper this week. Xu_R >: your spring break is freaking huge, man. MutantTurkey college :) Piki it appears there's no bus going from pittsburgh to philly Xu_R MutantTurkey: we know, we know :P Xu_R wait a minute... did samelian do a supybot-type command to tbottu? o_O Xu_R (just scrolling up logs) MutantTurkey Piki: my sister does it for school Piki ? MutantTurkey okay i talked to Jonathan D. FOSSCON coordinator just now, he says we can get a table, a small donation would be nice (he has to rent the tables lol and needs to pay out of his pocket) Xu_R MutantTurkey: ah, great :) MutantTurkey Piki: takes the bus Xu_R MutantTurkey: now, to grab the logos, lots of screenshots, pamplents, and posters. xD MutantTurkey Xu_R: we should make a banner :P MutantTurkey i have hookups with a banner maker too MutantTurkey I know alot of people Piki MutantTurkey, portauthority isn't showing any busses from here to philly Xu_R MutantTurkey: you do know a lot of people :P MutantTurkey Piki: hmmm, I'll have to ask my sis MutantTurkey Xu_R: i do :P Xu_R hehe Xu_R always useful. Xu_R always useful indeed. MutantTurkey indeed Roey indeed MutantTurkey man, a trinity booth would be sweet. Roey C-C-C-Combo Breaker MutantTurkey lol :p MutantTurkey alright i gotta go study my butt off for this exam MutantTurkey i am pretty sure i am screwed. Xu_R :P Xu_R MutantTurkey: gl :) Xu_R ack! Xu_R ff4 rc1 released! Piki might need a greyhound bus to get to philly kb9vqf_offsite MutantTurkey: Do you mind taking a look at a CMake problem for me? kb9vqf_offsite It is in arts kb9vqf_offsite Specifically the artsdsp wrapper script is not installed *kb9vqf_offsite would fix it himself if he knew more about CMake :) kb9vqf_offsite If you don't know I guess it can wait for samelian kb9vqf_offsite !seen samelian tbottu samelian was last seen 1 hour, 56 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying 'there is morning already, gn all :)' in #trinity-desktop. Xu_R grrr... I keep putting in trinityproject.org instead of trinitydesktop.org... and yet I keep getting the svn url wrong... *Xu_R is guessing kb9vqf_offsite http://svn.trinitydesktop.org kb9vqf_offsite svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity-packaging Xu_R ah, http. I kept doing svn:// kb9vqf_offsite Sorry :) Xu_R but that was my next guess XD kb9vqf_offsite I figure if http is working well why open up another port? kb9vqf_offsite I can do things with http that I can't do with a straight svn:// connection kb9vqf_offsite involving multiple sites/repos Xu_R :) Xu_R grr... Xu_R access forbidden. kb9vqf_offsite BTW you should use the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net URL instead of trinitydesktop.org when accessing the Wiki kb9vqf_offsite Xu_R: Did you log in and change your password yet? kb9vqf_offsite http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/submin/login Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: yea kb9vqf_offsite Also remember you have to specify your username in the svn co command kb9vqf_offsite so svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity-packaging --username xur kb9vqf_offsite so svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity-packaging --username rxu kb9vqf_offsite sorry kb9vqf_offsite typoed it Xu_R hmm... trying again Xu_R oh wow. Xu_R I did trinity-packages -___- kb9vqf_offsite That won't work! kb9vqf_offsite It doesn't store complete packages kb9vqf_offsite hence the packaging name kb9vqf_offsite Just the spec and patch files to create the packages with a build farm... kb9vqf_offsite !later Xu_R :P kb9vqf_offsite tbottu didn't like that tbottu kb9vqf_offsite: Sorry, I've no idea what 'didn't like that' might be. kb9vqf_offsite Oh well kb9vqf_offsite I'd like to leave a message for samelian Xu_R :P kb9vqf_offsite Guess I'll send it on the devel list :) kb9vqf_offsite Xu_R: Did it let you in to SVN? kb9vqf_offsite When you upload your packaging you should follow the general structure as shown in the ubuntu folder kb9vqf_offsite so <distroname>/<distrocodename>/<trinitymodulename> Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: yea. and I can't follow that way, RPMs do it very differently. Xu_R we can work with multiple versions from one file :P kb9vqf_offsite Ah, OK *kb9vqf_offsite did not know that kb9vqf_offsite Do what makes sense then Xu_R :) Xu_R The way I see it, if you cannot do multiple versions with one file, do it your way... Xu_R and if you can, do <distroname>/master/<trinitymodule> Xu_R so that way it's easy to branch :) kb9vqf_offsite OK kb9vqf_offsite Sounds good to me *kb9vqf_offsite knows absolutely nothing about RPM packaging kb9vqf_offsite Debian FTW :) Xu_R hehe Xu_R oh no, you forgot the mandriva folder. adding that... kb9vqf_offsite Go right ahead kb9vqf_offsite I just wanted to get the desired "feel" of the repository in place kb9vqf_offsite so that the existing structure could be extended kb9vqf_offsite without devolving into chaos :) Xu_R hehe Xu_R damn... just realized... have to stay after school until 8PM for activities next Tuesday D: That means I'll have to use the raindate of Wednesday >_< *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: sorry i just woke up. I could take a look later, unless samelians fixed it. I've got my bio midterm and then I have to help setup lights also around 2 *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *GaLaXY_XZ has joined #trinity-desktop GaLaXY_XZ Hello, desktop-base-trinity proposes to erase gnome-core.. can Trinity be coninstalled with the gnome de? GaLaXY_XZ Iḿ running debian squeeze btw *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ o/ *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ o/ *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs waves hello techie26 \o aalecs :) *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-10T18:46:44Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> Xu_R|School yo kb9vqf ^^ kb9vqf yes kb9vqf what is it? Xu_R|School just saying hi... kb9vqf Ah, OK kb9vqf Hi kb9vqf :) kb9vqf MutantTurkey: AFAIK samelian has not yet dealt with the problem if you want to take a look kb9vqf You can reference the Automake.am file to know what was supposed to happen *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: about what problem you says? kb9vqf Ah kb9vqf there you are :) kb9vqf See the mailing list *kb9vqf goes to grab the link kb9vqf Looks like you already did it :-P kb9vqf Thanks kb9vqf :) samelian welcome *kb9vqf did not see the original Email kb9vqf MutantTurkey: ^^^^^^^^^ kb9vqf It's fixed aalecs hello all, salut serghei samelian salut aalecs kb9vqf samelian: Any particular reason why libartsgslplayobject.so.0 was renamed libartsgslplayobject.so.1 ? samelian i think a simple mistake samelian I will check it now kb9vqf OK samelian we have any mechanism to check if all files are installed and named correctly? *kb9vqf notes that building the Debian packages can find mistakes like thi kb9vqf That is what I am doing now essentially kb9vqf I may be pestering you for a few days as a result ;-) samelian no problem kb9vqf Let me know when that fix is in SVN and I'll fire off a rebuild samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: fixed kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf goes to start the rebuild...results in 7mins samelian i tested yesterday pch samelian compiling time for tqt lowered from 1:40 seconds without pch to 28 second with pch kb9vqf cool kb9vqf samelian: What happened to libx11globalcomm.la? kb9vqf Do we not install .la files any more? *kb9vqf does not know aalecs what do you compile in 7min ? kb9vqf arts aalecs ah kb9vqf samelian: IIRC .la files were for Automake only, correct? *kb9vqf just wants to be sure samelian if i'm not wrong, .la files are used by plugins as well kb9vqf ok kb9vqf Then you may want to look into why libx11globalcomm.la is missing :) samelian where is libx11globalcomm.la? samelian arts? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf Normally it would be installed into /opt/trinity/lib/libx11globalcomm.la samelian aha, I think I skipped it, I don't remember for what reason kb9vqf We may need it kb9vqf Especially since people want to build the core with CMake and other packages with Automake samelian seems that is used only when X11 support is activated for arts samelian i'm not sure if is really useful for anything samelian i do not needed it until now samelian ignore it for now, I will activate it later kb9vqf ok kb9vqf I will start a Wiki page with "stuff that will be done later" kb9vqf otherwise we will forget samelian ok kb9vqf samelian: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/StuffToFix kb9vqf I'll just throw anything that needs to be fixed later on in there kb9vqf samelian: I assume this also is not available? /opt/trinity/lib/mcop/Arts/X11GlobalComm.mcopclass kb9vqf In arts samelian I think is skipped for same reason Z_God I understand the porting from TDE to Qt4 is going well now? Z_God I'm anxious to try it out :) kb9vqf I haven't had a chance to work on it lately unfortunately kb9vqf It mostly works (85% or so), but there are a few major problems that I would like fixed before a general test point release kb9vqf a.k.a. pre-alpha release :) aalecs i hope tde will not get the bloatiness of kde 4.x :D (in the future, i mean) kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf That's a design goal kb9vqf Fast, small, powerful aalecs cool :) kb9vqf "small" being "as small as it can be without sacrificing functionality" :) kb9vqf samelian: /opt/trinity/lib/mcop/artsflow.mcopclass *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: pls make a little bigger list with problems kb9vqf samelian: What I have been doing is rebuilding and waiting for the errors kb9vqf I don't have any way of finding all the errors at once samelian aha samelian ok then, hang on kb9vqf If you want to you can look in the packaging SVN at the control file kb9vqf Anything in here http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/websvn/listing.php?repname=Trinity+Packaging&path=%2Fubuntu%2Fmaverick%2Fdependencies%2Farts%2Fdebian%2F&#addfffc4e416a7d9255744139693d65fe kb9vqf With a .install extension kb9vqf contains a list of expected files samelian I was a little sloppy when I beginning cmake-ing :) kb9vqf If any of those files do not exist the build will fail kb9vqf It's OK :) samelian kb9vqf: fixed kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Build starting... *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Build failure this time: http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2051280/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.arts-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224418%2Bpr32_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz samelian ah, these files are generated *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: fixed kb9vqf ok, thanks kb9vqf building again.... samelian kb9vqf: you build seems to long, you do not using parallel building? kb9vqf samelian: It actually takes about 5 mins kb9vqf BUT kb9vqf that includes setting up the clean chroot envronment and tearing it down when the build is done kb9vqf Also, Debian does some library stripping/searching at the end of each build samelian i see samelian aalecs: I still thinking in Romanian :) aalecs :D aalecs ok samelian unde poti sa ma corectezi, te rog fa-o samelian astia nu ma corecteaza si invat niciodata aalecs ok, iti mai zic cand mai vad samelian si nu* aalecs we're two romanians here :D samelian hehe, happy me :) samelian de ce in contextul asta se foloseste "use" si nu "using"? samelian ca am vrut sa exprim la timpul prezent aalecs using e ceva care faci acum, de lunga durata, use e la modu general aalecs poti folosi using daca zici asa aalecs "aren't you using parallel build ?" aalecs iar use aalecs "don't you use parallel build?" aalecs use e general, using e acum, in actiunea de lunga durata aalecs gen "i`m now coding" = acuma programez. sau "i code" = eu programez. adica de obicei, dar nu neaparat acum. aalecs using e ok, condeaza acordu aalecs "you use" = tu folosesti (generic), "are you using" = folosesti (prezent) aalecs samelian: am terminat polologhia aalecs :D *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop samelian aalecs: prea complicat :) samelian eu il intrebam daca foloseste "acum", pentru ca asta face in momentul asta de-i dau erorile alea aalecs da stiu :D samelian deci ar fi trebui sa zic "aren't you using"? samelian nu ma descurc nici cu "are" prea bine, mereu il folosesc gresit :) aalecs da samelian "is" e la singular, "are" la plural, din cate stiu aalecs sau you are not using aalecs da dar cand ai verbe cu ing la coada, se pune are samelian aha aalecs i rule, i am ruling, you rule, you are ruling, he rules, he is ruling samelian aha, "are" e folosit cand vrei sa spui "acum, in momentul asta" aalecs da, si atentie la persoana aalecs i am using, you are using aalecs gen tu folosesti (acum) samelian normal, nu o sa zic "i are" :) aalecs ihim :D aalecs ma rog sper sa nu o iei ca pe o corectie aalecs vroiam doar sa ajut samelian stai calm, de cand ma rog de astia sa ma corecteze samelian si nu o fac aalecs :)) samelian macar tu stii si romana si imi explici in limba mea aalecs da, as putea zice ca stiu romana si engleza nativ samelian misto :) samelian eu nu am studii formale, stiu doar ce am prins, dupa ureche :) samelian idiotii astia ne-au predat rusa si franceza samelian macar rusa o stiu pt ca sunt nativ aalecs stiu si franceza ceva aalecs cu rusa ma chinui :D kb9vqf samelian: /opt/trinity/lib/libartscbackend.a : needed or not? samelian .a files are convenience libraries samelian usually kb9vqf So I can probably just remove it? samelian convenience libraries are not installed kb9vqf OK kb9vqf Someone messed up the Debian packaging then *kb9vqf goes to fix it samelian wait, I will check makefile.am aalecs you do not need .a aalecs and .la i think the same samelian .la files are used by automake, for linking aalecs though i got a lot of .a in my /usr/lib64 samelian .a are static lib samelian sometimes are needed aalecs mkay :) kb9vqf Can you fix it then? samelian hang on kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf notes his computer is acting up today kb9vqf I don't mean to be rude :) kb9vqf Just a bit frustrating kb9vqf I think a geriatric snail might just beat my workstation today :-P samelian kb9vqf: libartscbackend is actually .so, not .a samelian is a module kb9vqf Debian is trying to install these variants: kb9vqf debian/tmp/opt/trinity/lib/libartsc.a kb9vqf debian/tmp/opt/trinity/lib/libartsc.la kb9vqf debian/tmp/opt/trinity/lib/libartsc.so kb9vqf So the .a is just a mess up? samelian libartscbackend_la_LDFLAGS = -no-undefined -module $(KDE_RPATH) $(all_libraries) samelian note "-module" flag kb9vqf Right kb9vqf Well, I guess I'll remove the .a variant samelian ok kb9vqf If anything fails later on I'll have to revisit this samelian sure samelian aalecs: "note" sau "notice"? samelian voiam sa zic "observa", "ia notă" samelian kb9vqf: sorry for Romanian, I am trying to learn english :) kb9vqf I don't mind at all samelian hehe aalecs note: nota, notice: observa (note: adica nota, anexa etc) notice: fii atent (cam asa) aalecs e bine in ambele samelian aha samelian vezi, am zis bine "i am trying" :) aalecs note, notice sunt substantive, notice poate fi si verb aalecs :D aalecs da :D samelian incep sa aplic cunostintele :) aalecs e bun aalecs :D Z_God kb9vqf: impressive, great to hear it's so far already kb9vqf Z_God: Bear in mind that that is for the core system only (arts, kdelibs, kdebase), but once the interface is nearing 100% functionality there porting the remaining Trinity modules will be relatively simple and fast Z_God I wonder how well KDE4 apps will run in TDE-Qt4, it seems there's a big opportunity for integration between the different kdelibs kb9vqf They look big and clunky ;-) kb9vqf Running KDE4/Qt4 apps under Trinity really accentuates the design differences kb9vqf between the two desktops that is Z_God it will be interesting :) Z_God what do you think of the performance of Qt4? kb9vqf It seems OK kb9vqf I have been using it over VNC kb9vqf and I have not noticed any reall difference from Qt3 over VNC kb9vqf *real Z_God I understood it was supposed to be better than Qt 3 ;) kb9vqf Certain graphics operations are a lot slower though in Qt4 kb9vqf Due to the double buffering and all the abstraction cruft to allow it to run on Windows/Mac Z_God hmm, I see Z_God is that the reason to keep the Qt3 version? kb9vqf Fortunately Qt 4.7 introduced some native Xorg drawing functions kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf That and to allow Trinity development to continue while the Qt4 version is unstable Z_God I see :) Z_God so what's the next main goal now then? kb9vqf CMake kb9vqf Getting everything built kb9vqf HAL-->udev kb9vqf then the Qt4 version kb9vqf Probably in that order too Z_God ok kb9vqf Getting everthing built also includes bug fixes kb9vqf Lots and lots of bug fixes :) kb9vqf We have a bug day coming up this weekend Z_God yeah, I still have a crash in ktorrent ;) kb9vqf Well, join us and pester to get it fixed :) Z_God found a workaround though :) Z_God I put the trace in the bug Z_God but mostly it seems everything is quite solid though Z_God I use trinity on lucid & debian on many boxes and it seems very stable aalecs Z_God: what glibc do you have on your boxes ? Z_God aalecs: nothing special really, why do you ask? kb9vqf Z_God: He might be curious because a newer glibc version has destabilized a lot of software kb9vqf Not just in Trinity though AFAIK kb9vqf Also AFAIK they are working on a fix upstream aalecs exactly Z_God I don't run anything really modern :) aalecs i posted the kdesktop crash Z_God ubuntu lucid on all my work boxes aalecs aha, well.. hope that the glibc fix will come Z_God what version are you using then? aalecs 2.11.3 Z_God it's 2.10 here indeed aalecs i`ll try building 3.5.13 on newest gcc/glibc in a few days aalecs me goes to sleep aalecs gnite guys aalecs pa-pa samelian , noapte buna *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: /opt/trinity/include/artsc/artsc.h': No such file or directory kb9vqf I don't see it being installed anywhere kb9vqf This is still in arts samelian hang on kb9vqf I may not be around much longer kb9vqf One of my disks is completely failing kb9vqf On this workstation that is kb9vqf That's why it is running so slow kb9vqf *!@# seagate kb9vqf I will likely have to power down and replace the disk kb9vqf If I disappear from the channel I probably won't be back until tomorrow at the earliest samelian kb9vqf: done, was commented, I do not remember why kb9vqf ok kb9vqf let me fire a build off kb9vqf BTW the above mentioned disk failure is not on the Trinity servers, just on my personal workstation :) kb9vqf So no service interruptions are expected kb9vqf I can rebuild disks online on the main servers kb9vqf *replace/rebuild kb9vqf :) *SpaceMan_LMDE has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMan_LMDE has joined #trinity-desktop *SpaceMan_LMDE has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: how can I find all files that are not under svn control? arw__ svn status should tell you something like that? arw__ .oO( although it has been a while since I last used svn ) samelian yes, seems stats show me "orphan" files samelian thx kb9vqf samelian: arts/artsc.h should be installed into artsc/artsc.h kb9vqf Same with arts/artsc_export.h, shouldbe installed into artsc/artsc_export.h samelian is not? kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf Into arts/ kb9vqf Currently it installs into arts/ samelian hang on kb9vqf It needs to install into artsc/ *kb9vqf is getting really fed up with this workstation........ samelian kb9vqf: must be under include/arts/artsc/ or include/artsc/artsc.h samelian ? kb9vqf include/artsc/artsc.h kb9vqf with the "c" kb9vqf same with include/artsc/artsc_export.h samelian right kb9vqf it would have been easy to miss for sure kb9vqf I didn't catch it until I looked really hard :) samelian kb9vqf: but where is gsl/gslcommon.h, for example? samelian under include/ or include/arts/ ? kb9vqf include/arts/gsl/gslcommon.h samelian hmm, big problem kb9vqf ? kb9vqf We need to keep the original file structure kb9vqf OR completely remove Automake kb9vqf I vote to keep the original structure :) samelian ${INCLUDE_INSTALL_DIR} is include/arts kb9vqf Well, I guess override it for those two files samelian a ugly workaround can be ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/include/artsc kb9vqf Works for me samelian ok, I will put a FIXME notice samelian hang on kb9vqf Sure samelian kb9vqf: done kb9vqf Thanks *kb9vqf starts yet another rebuild... Xu_R eeeeek thunderstorm warnings, flood warnings, and tornado watches... fun. arw__ ah, spring :) kb9vqf Ah, don't you enjoy them though? :) kb9vqf Seems you guys on the east coast have been getting more than your fair share of storms this spring Xu_R lol Xu_R not now... it made this week more depressing than it actually is with all the cloudy weather :P Xu_R (and also caused my math teacher to take off 8 points on a test, dropping my grade 14% total) Xu_R (when she's in a bad mood, she takes off more for little things) *samelian finished korganizer but have no ideea how to use it :) kb9vqf samelian: It's a very nice piece of software IMHO kb9vqf I use it a lot kb9vqf Also, arts seems to build (currently failing at a Debian-specific library detection step) kb9vqf I'll let you know if there are any other CMake-related problems *kb9vqf needs to shut this workstation down, see you all tomorrow samelian Xu_R: I have to publish somewhere the status of kdepim porting samelian you want to do it for me? Xu_R samelian: sure, hold on... samelian there is the list: samelian http://paste.lug.ro/131048 samelian D - done Xu_R ok Xu_R samelian: I moved cmake to it's own etherpad because it was getting too large Xu_R it's now here: http://lincom.ietherpad.com/11 samelian thx *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop techie26 can KDevelope[KDE4] and KDevelope(trinity) coexist on the same trinity desktop? techie26 is it advantages to use the trinity version for working on trinity apps? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop Piki MutantTurkey, perfect timing, just joined myself MutantTurkey Piki: sorry can' MutantTurkey t stay for long MutantTurkey friends are over, first day of spring brakke Piki i'm thinking i may get an Ark Linux table at fosscon MutantTurkey If you'd like MutantTurkey contact jonathanD. MutantTurkey I'd rather have your support with Trinity :P MutantTurkey but that is okay with me. Piki MutantTurkey, i prefer my breaks to myself, i don't get a lot of down time MutantTurkey Piki: have been so busy with studying i haven seent anyone in a while MutantTurkey I'm going ot get off MutantTurkey will be on tomorrow Piki MutantTurkey, i'll be sporting a trinity desktop :-P and i'm hoping to get a table next to tde table MutantTurkey ok! MutantTurkey talk to jon MutantTurkey still gotta email him Piki looks like he might not be there Piki he's showing grey on my screen *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi cfaust cfaust hello Piki time for bed, gotta work in the morning *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv tbottu, display setting bug? tbottu Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'display setting bug' might be. Strangelv tbottu, screen resolution bug? tbottu Strangelv: Sorry, I've no idea what 'screen resolution bug' might be. Strangelv :: and someone in western NY have this bug, so he assumes it's not limited to his system Strangelv "or maybe it's a kernel lever bug with ATI stuff. She has a Radeon; I have a FireGL *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *si-m1 has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *drankin has joined #trinity-desktop drankin hey - what new should build after the last day or two? drankin I had this thing called work that got in the way of trinity:) drankin Any new mods I should go look at? aalecs samelian: esti cautat :D aalecs brb *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School heyo :) drankin hello ! drankin looks like dolphin, akgregator certmanager libkgpg should be getting closer... I"ll go look :0 That SuSE radeonhd driver bug was a BEAR! Xu_R|School hey david :D looks like your nickserv is working :P Xu_R|School drankin: yea, don't we just love Xorg bugs? >_< Xu_R|School seems like that's upstream drankin Yeh -- especially when they happen to Me :) Xu_R|School might want to file to upstream bz with a link to the bnc bug drankin I think that bug has been around for a long time in radeonhd. I was doing work with them a couple of years ago when the driver broke. It was broken for months for the RS690M chipset -- I don't think it ever got fixed right :) drankin I'm still on the radeonhd list, so I'll post links to the suse bug and see if they want a new one open there. drankin Right now, I'm rebuilding trinity with the current changes. (I got to go the the bank now, but I'll let you know when I get back:) Xu_R|School ah, is ee. Xu_R|School * i see Xu_R|School ok *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: hey MutantTurkey drankin: david? samelian hello MutantTurkey I can not figure this out, detecting without a pc file. is there an example i could use? samelian in kdebase's ConfigureChecks.cmake samelian check for pam test samelian should be simple enough MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey thank you. MutantTurkey I was just confused samelian if you need some hints, i'm here MutantTurkey ok thanks *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: can't detect sane :[ here is my configurechecks. http://ix.io/1xj samelian MutantTurkey: you code are not indented well samelian I do not understand your code MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey what don't you understand samelian the logic sequence :) MutantTurkey ah samelian wrong indent confuse me samelian pls fix it MutantTurkey sorry MutantTurkey thought it was pretty fine MutantTurkey most people complain of my non standard coding though D: MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1xk MutantTurkey maybe better? samelian still wrong samelian why "if" is under "pkg_search_module" ? MutantTurkey because it follows logically samelian is not logically at all :) MutantTurkey they are related, so i have them together MutantTurkey the if statement is based on the previous variable samelian my mind can't follow this kind of logic :) samelian is very confunsing MutantTurkey D: samelian only blocks should be indented MutantTurkey but they are logically part of the same "block" samelian if/endif, foreach/enforeach, etc MutantTurkey i understand that MutantTurkey your way (i'll just change it back after you read it, then switch it when i submit it MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1xl Xu_R MutantTurkey: david is at the bank, apparently samelian MutantTurkey: seems fine, what is problem? MutantTurkey samelian: it doesn't detect sane. MutantTurkey hold up MutantTurkey let me get the error MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1xn samelian show me CMakeError.log MutantTurkey doesn't exist samelian should be, under CMakeFiles MutantTurkey i think we need to make a FindSane.cmake modules samelian libsane is not important enough to make a specialized module for it MutantTurkey why not haha? MutantTurkey i see that many people have different modules MutantTurkey kde4 (looked at their svn) has one for poppler and such MutantTurkey no cmake log MutantTurkey wier MutantTurkey wierd' MutantTurkey weird' MutantTurkey dumb keys samelian you find it in build tree, right? MutantTurkey no i didn't find it samelian please give me entire cmake output MutantTurkey that is MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1xn samelian that's all? MutantTurkey yes samelian are you sure? samelian remove build tree and run cmake again *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey the problem is that there is no saneConfig.cmake or sane cmake module MutantTurkey so that method won't work (afaik) samelian you don't need saneconfig samelian you create your own MutantTurkey so i am confused MutantTurkey you want me to create a sane.cmake module? samelian nope samelian you need just to check for presence of sane, that's all *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey well it doesn't find it MutantTurkey that is the problem :p MutantTurkey how do i check then? samelian debug it :) samelian i told you, remove build tree and run cmake again MutantTurkey i did MutantTurkey same problem D: samelian ofc, but i want to see output MutantTurkey cmake doesn't get anywhere. MutantTurkey same output samelian is not possible samelian cmake output should be longer MutantTurkey why? samelian because I cand see in your ouput C++ checks, for example samelian can't see MutantTurkey :[ samelian so? MutantTurkey hold on MutantTurkey sorry MutantTurkey I don't like to remove this because my PATH isn't set correctly samelian ah, for this reason your cmake output is not completely MutantTurkey yes. samelian you must script it somehow MutantTurkey yeah i will add it to my bashrc samelian you cannot debug in this way samelian MutantTurkey: in any case, you don't need sane for kfileplugins MutantTurkey no for klibscan MutantTurkey but yes i know, i need TIFF for kfileplugins samelian hehe samelian you should be more organized MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey nah MutantTurkey i mean yes samelian also, for sane you should use sane-config, not manual detecting MutantTurkey sane-config? MutantTurkey D: DUH. i am dumb samelian when you you investigate which detection method you should use, every time check configure.in.in, in such directory aalecs serghei, ai de corectat ? :D MutantTurkey why don't they just use a damned pkg-config file instead of having their own system samelian nu, sunt nervos si asa :) samelian ca nu pricepe asta MutantTurkey I hate projects that can't follow simple standards aalecs hhh aalecs e el sau ea ? samelian un el samelian e un puşti aalecs ash samelian MutantTurkey: I think sane was invented before freedesktop standards :) MutantTurkey samelian: yes, as was gnome and kde MutantTurkey everyone conformed to it MutantTurkey sane has continued to be developed, there fore it should use newer standards samelian not exactly, kde don't use pkg-config MutantTurkey much like we are converting to udev and not hal. MutantTurkey samelian: same idea though, they follow many freedesktop standards samelian anyway, using sane-config is far too complicated <msg channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="aalecs" time="2011-03-11T21:35:55Z">ÓÅÒÇÅÊ: áÍÅÒÉËÁÎÓËÉÊ</msg> samelian MutantTurkey: http://paste.lug.ro/131049 samelian there I detected for gpgme samelian as I see, is very complicate process MutantTurkey D: yes MutantTurkey agreed MutantTurkey samelian: you are very right. i am not orginized. MutantTurkey forgot i ran into another problem with dscparse-stati MutantTurkey oh wait. nevermind D: samelian your problem is that you started many projects at same time MutantTurkey you are right. MutantTurkey haha it is true MutantTurkey i should do it more piecemeal, the problem is that i had to skip around because some libraries were used from other parts of the kdegrahpics and such MutantTurkey hmm, okay samelian I have it detecting TIFF ok. now it can't find tiff.h with the check_include_file( "tiff.h" HAVE_TIFF_H ). tiff is in my system in /include/tiff.h MutantTurkey sorry for being so sloppy samelian show me output of cmake MutantTurkey just "tiff.h is required but not found on your system", i dug deeper and made a conditional IF(NOT HAVE_TIFF_H) tde_message_fatal "tiff.h etc etc etc" MutantTurkey so we know that the library is detecting ok, just not the tiff.h MutantTurkey oh wait MutantTurkey hmmm samelian but cmake what says about tiff.h? MutantTurkey i think i fixed it :) MutantTurkey it says found :D MutantTurkey now how do i make it add tiff to my includes? MutantTurkey and libraries? MutantTurkey set( ) something right? samelian actually, no MutantTurkey hmmm ok samelian if a header is found, this means that is in /usr/include MutantTurkey we do need to set flags though right MutantTurkey oh right MutantTurkey which is already in our ${INCLUDE_DIRS} ? samelian yes samelian the same for lib MutantTurkey that is odd, since it is not finding it when building MutantTurkey oh i mean linking MutantTurkey undefined reference... etc etc samelian show me linking error MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1xp samelian ah samelian set( LIBTIFF tiff CACHE INTERNAL "" FORCE ) samelian actually, more consistent samelian set( TIFF_LIBRARY tiff CACHE INTERNAL "" FORCE ) MutantTurkey to force it MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey then add to my linking tiff MutantTurkey excellent MutantTurkey okay i think that is that. KFILEPLUGINS is done samelian ok MutantTurkey drankin: did you see my note about licensing and the PKGBUILDs? *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey libkscan is done also now MutantTurkey kooka done MutantTurkey kfax done aalecs well guys MutantTurkey aalecs: yes? aalecs me goes zzzzzzzzzzz MutantTurkey :D aalecs so byez all MutantTurkey bai d00d aalecs salut serghei si spor *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: http://lincom.ietherpad.com/11 okay, look i made a chart! samelian nice :) MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey orginizing myself! MutantTurkey i am making sure that all builds right now, then i will keep moving MutantTurkey I have a concert to goto in about 40 minutes, but after i will get more done MutantTurkey also this coming week i am on spring break, so i have all free time samelian however, before commit you must respect all formatiing rules and indenting MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey I am also going to have to double check all desktop file and such MutantTurkey this is just "does it build?" MutantTurkey then i will go back, look through each file, etc. samelian ok MutantTurkey do you think we should start some sort of "rules for CMakeList" or "cmake style" or something? samelian for sure MutantTurkey ok we can do that eventually MutantTurkey that way everyone is on same page samelian our code must be consisten and clean MutantTurkey samelian: i need to conditionally build libkscan, like IF( BUILD_KOOKA=ON then BUILD_LIBKSCAN=ON ) or somthing MutantTurkey that idea, because kooka usues libkscan MutantTurkey ok! i just build all of those successfully from a clean build MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey I'm gonna shower, get ready, i'll be back on later tonight samelian for me is later anyway :) samelian see ya *kb9vqf_offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf_offsite samelian: Thanks for the help on the mailinglist kb9vqf_offsite parallel builf is very fast :) kb9vqf_offsite *build kb9vqf_offsite I got kdelibs to compile after arts kb9vqf_offsite But I ran into this during the Debian packaging kb9vqf_offsite cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/trinity/khotnewstuffrc': No such file or directory kb9vqf_offsite In fact, I don't see anything in /etc/trinity kb9vqf_offsite Help? :-) samelian kb9vqf_offsite: I think you didn't set SYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR samelian check there for all possible paths: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProcess#Standard_install_paths kb9vqf_offsite So -DSYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR=foo samelian yes *kb9vqf_offsite was looking for how to set that kb9vqf_offsite Thanks :) samelian welcome samelian actually seems that khotnewstuffrc is under CONFIG_INSTALL_DIR's control samelian in Makefile.am is "kde_conf_DATA = khotnewstuffrc" *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-offsite has left #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf_offsite has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *17WAAA3RC has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs hi all aalecs salut samelian samelian sal *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop field_it hey field_it btw, couple of updates and reboots after the first report about missing context menus in konqueror, they're still missing field_it anyone any idea how to fix it? MutantTurkey sorry i dunno :[ *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop field_it am I the only one w/o context menus??? field_it can't believe it.. what'd I've done wrong? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: around? field needs halp field_it *g MutantTurkey samelian: hmmm, I am getting errors with kpovmodeler. compiler errors techie26 what is a "context menu"? I'm missing documentation, but all the menus seem to be there field_it docs? field_it no, I mean, right-click on anything field_it I'd expect a menu to pop up MutantTurkey D: what! field_it yeah! boldly! field_it ;) MutantTurkey yeesh i am starving. field_it starving for a menu? MutantTurkey for some food. *techie26_ has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R backing up server, backing up server.... what fun. *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs tananana you've been... thunderstruck! MutantTurkey Xu_R: sup man MutantTurkey TokRa hasn't been on in a while D: MutantTurkey tbottu: seen TokRa tbottu tokra was last seen 2 days, 22 hours, 27 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying '* TokRa speaks Latvian, Russian, French, a little English, learns Spanish.' in #trinity-desktop. aalecs ehee aalecs a lot *kb9vqf_offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf_offsite Hi everyone! Today is Bug Day....grab a bug from http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net and try to fix it! kb9vqf_offsite Poke me with questions MutantTurkey today is bug day?! crap MutantTurkey ok time to tell everyone i am busy :p samelian kb9vqf_offsite: seems that uic have a bug, do not generate const functions kb9vqf_offsite example? samelian hang on samelian here: amarok/src/organizecollectiondialog.ui kb9vqf_offsite of course uic is part of qt3....ugghhh... samelian <functions> samelian <function returnType="QString">buildDestination( const QString &amp; format, const MetaBundle &amp; mb ) const</function> samelian the result: samelian /usr/qt/3/bin/uic -impl /var/tmp/amarok.build/amarok/src/organizecollectiondialog.h ./amarok/src/organizecollectiondialog.ui samelian QString OrganizeCollectionDialog::buildDestination(const QString&,const MetaBundle&) samelian { samelian qWarning( "OrganizeCollectionDialog::buildDestination(const QString&,const MetaBundle&): Not implemented yet" ); samelian return QString(); samelian } samelian no const kb9vqf_offsite OTOH I don't know what would cause that kb9vqf_offsite Looks like an old Qt3 bug samelian a hack can be removing "const" kb9vqf_offsite Is there any way to use a non-const function? kb9vqf_offsite Yes kb9vqf_offsite I really, really don't want to get into patching Qt3 more than is needed kb9vqf_offsite I have worked extensively with the Qt3 source and it is NOT FUN samelian I don't know why until now was ok kb9vqf_offsite gcc became more strict? samelian yes, this my guess either kb9vqf_offsite Just to throw this out there, the offending code file is in qt3source/tools/uic kb9vqf_offsite A quick glance through that folder should let you know why I really don't want to change it :) samelian hehe kb9vqf_offsite thanks for the doc info as well kb9vqf_offsite Now that I know what to do I can replicate the fix to the other doc directories MutantTurkey kb9vqf_offsite: in kdegraphics/kmrml/kmrml/mrml.cpp -> there is a ifdef for <unistd.h> but i don't see the point of it, because 1)everyone has that 2) if its not defined it fails anyway MutantTurkey because without that HAVE_UNISTD_H it fails because it can't find getpid kb9vqf_offsite Remove the ifdef then kb9vqf_offsite It might have been to support an ancient system MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey and for stdlib.h also MutantTurkey both completely normal kb9vqf_offsite We obviously can't support that ancient system if a) we don't know what it is and b) none of us have access to one MutantTurkey and c) we want to be modern kb9vqf_offsite Of course :) MutantTurkey ok that solves that problem samelian MutantTurkey: do not assume that a header exists samelian Linux is not the only Unix-like operating system MutantTurkey we assume all the other headers exist samelian wrong MutantTurkey UNISTD MutantTurkey unix standard :p samelian you checked for it on AIX either? :) MutantTurkey okay, then we need to patch it to have support if there isn't unistd.h MutantTurkey okay everyone who uses Trinity on AIX right now, raise your hands! MutantTurkey okay nobody. MutantTurkey samelian: there is no point of a check if it fails without the check MutantTurkey anyway gotta go get food. bbs kb9vqf_offsite An alternat solution would be to put in an #ifndef that checks for unix/linux and throws a FIXME compile error mentioning that support for non-unix system is not available samelian actually it is, for example on linux close() is located in "unistd.h" samelian on windows somewhere else, but you get the point Xu_R ASFIDSAFBH forgot it was bug day. xD samelian kb9vqf_offsite: the "no const" hack seems working samelian now I will rebuild amarok, to check if it crashes in runtime Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: I might have to give up openSUSE and leave it to Ilya; Having Fedora and Mandriva is trouble enough - with openSUSE, I'm having major problems when combining the three. >_< kb9vqf_offsite That's what I figured might happen *kb9vqf_offsite knows from experience kb9vqf_offsite Ubuntu + Debian is hard enough Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: Well, I don't have THAT great experience :P Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: new mail: [PATCH] from Fedora: Fix autoconf compilation regression >= 2.64 Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: Do you think that could solve your autoconf problem? *shrug* Xu_R brb, restarting trillian *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R back kb9vqf_offsite I'm not sure kb9vqf_offsite Doesn't look like it kb9vqf_offsite So Fedora got it to build at all with autoconf >=2.64? kb9vqf_offsite Weird Xu_R Yes. and an automake hack, lemme pull that up Xu_R # hack/fix for newer automake Xu_R sed -iautomake -e 's|automake\*1.10\*|automake\*1.1[0-5]\*|' admin/cvs.sh Xu_R make -f admin/Makefile.common cvs kb9vqf_offsite That one I already had in SVN kb9vqf_offsite it was the autoconf problem that prevented further work kb9vqf_offsite Any chance Fedora patched autoconf? Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: according to my records, no. kb9vqf_offsite Huh kb9vqf_offsite Well, you saw the Email I sent to the mailing list a while back with the autoconf 2.64 problem explained, correct? Xu_R yes kb9vqf_offsite According to that there is no way it would (ever) work :-/ kb9vqf_offsite Which has been my experience as well Xu_R :( Xu_R worth a shot, though...? kb9vqf_offsite Well, that is only for arts Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: nope. they applied it to everything Xu_R I see that patch in all their kde3 base pkgs like arts, kdelibs3, kdebase3 kb9vqf_offsite Xu_R: Do you want to run a compile test for me? :) kb9vqf_offsite Pull the latest arts sources from SVN kb9vqf_offsite patch it with the arts patch from Fedora kb9vqf_offsite and try to build it with the latest autoconf/automake Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: sure. kb9vqf_offsite I bet it will fail kb9vqf_offsite But I would like to be proven wrong Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: knowing how experienced you're with this, it probably will :P MutantTurkey kb9vqf_offsite: not a bug, but are we on hold for the new website? kb9vqf_offsite Nope kb9vqf_offsite Since TokRa did not get something to me by Friday I will be deploying your version MutantTurkey ok. kb9vqf_offsite I'm having another set of eyes look at the grammar and spelling ATM MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey cool Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: doing now... kb9vqf_offsite OK *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf_offsite Just a reminder....today is Bug Day! Grab a bug report from http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net and try to fix it! kb9vqf_offsite Poke me if you have questiosn kb9vqf_offsite *questions samelian kb9vqf_offsite: #396 should be closed kb9vqf_offsite Let me look kb9vqf_offsite samelian: You fixed it? samelian kdevelop now is building with cmake kb9vqf_offsite So when I use kdevelop to build a project, it uses CMake to build it instead of Automake? kb9vqf_offsite I just want to make sure kb9vqf_offsite bug #396 is not referring to the way that kdevelop itself is built tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=396 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, KDevelop builds fail samelian hang on, I think I wrong understood samelian yes samelian I have no experience with automake *kb9vqf_offsite would like to see kdevelop dump automake as well kb9vqf_offsite It's not high on my priority list right now kb9vqf_offsite #396 that is kb9vqf_offsite samelian: http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052072/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224234%2Bpr65_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf_offsite Hunts? kb9vqf_offsite *Hints samelian kb9vqf_offsite: I think you forgot to install kdelibs.cmake kb9vqf_offsite I probably did kb9vqf_offsite Oops *kb9vqf_offsite needs to remember that all packages now have a .pc file kb9vqf_offsite And apparently a .cmake file as well samelian ye samelian yes samelian actually .pc is only for tqt and arts samelian for the rest I use cmake import files, like kdelibs.cmake kb9vqf_offsite OK kb9vqf_offsite samelian: So this .cmake file, should it be installed in the -dev package? samelian yes kb9vqf_offsite OK *Peiki has joined #trinity-desktop Peiki hi Peiki MutantTurkey: Ark has a table at fosscon, still waiting to see if we'll have a table next to tde Peiki i think both Ark and TDE need to be there, both are very small and could use quite a bit of help Xu_R Peiki: you should probably change your nick... Peiki why? Xu_R Peiki: dunno, thought you mispelled it, or was it intentional? :| Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: blah. I'm having fun (not) trying to start the build - apparently my server has a backed-up queue Peiki intentional, only have a few minutes, just wanted to get on real quick *kb9vqf_offsite knows what that's like from his Ubuntu PPA days Xu_R Peiki: ah, i see. Peiki my battery is low, and going to return to work in a few minutes kb9vqf_offsite Aww, you wont be helping us fix bugs then? ;-) Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: bleh... actually, I think building on build.opensuse.org was better... unless they made a essential change for openSUSE Factory which was hell lol Xu_R Peiki: D: it's bug day kb9vqf_offsite Xu_R: Then build there Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: reason i'm not is cause they have problems with dependencies >_< kb9vqf_offsite Ah *kb9vqf_offsite wishes QuickBuild did RPMs kb9vqf_offsite It allocates an 8-core Opteron for each build, so kdelibs builds in about 10 minutes :)) Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: You should try running your own instance of the opensuse build service :P (although I know you won't, but worth a shot with persuasion xD) kb9vqf_offsite Heh kb9vqf_offsite Sorry Xu_R hehehehe kb9vqf_offsite Not unless someone buys my another control server kb9vqf_offsite $$$$$ Xu_R too many dollar signs! D: kb9vqf_offsite QuickBuild bogs the current one down enough as it is Xu_R ah. i see. kb9vqf_offsite We're not talking about a cheap server here unfortunately ;-) Xu_R -_- Peiki kb9vqf_offsite: i may setup my own sort of quickbuild system. it won't have 8 cores and it will only be one system, i've barely any money and need to save for going to fosscon, but if someone can do a php interface, i can setup a no-ip or dyndns and some chroots for rpms kb9vqf_offsite That's up to you kb9vqf_offsite I would offer the build resources here but the control node just can't handle another build system :-/ kb9vqf_offsite FYI this type of build system usually eats a LOT of disk space Peiki yes Xu_R Peiki: think about using mock to do something like this. :) Peiki i'd only do two or three chroots, and i'd have at least 1-2tb Peiki Xu_R: mock? kb9vqf_offsite If you gues want to sync your packages to the mirror system just let me know kb9vqf_offsite *guys *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf_offsite The only thing I ask is that the packaging be stored in the SVN tree Peiki i thought svn was for the scripts (specs and such) and patches? Xu_R Peiki: yes, mock. It takes the latest packages from the mirror and sets up a clean buildroot Xu_R and builds your packages in them Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: as usual, you are right. the patch doesn't work. (couldn't try it on arts, so tried it on tqtinterface 3.5.12 tarball) kb9vqf_offsite Peiki: Right Peiki i want to use the latest packages from Ark's mirror for dependency testing. i can take care of TDE packages. i'd also want to clean out the buildroot for getting my buildrequires and requires, and i can always setup a local mirror for each buildroot for grabbing deps for TDE that were already built kb9vqf_offsite That's referred to as the packaging files kb9vqf_offsite Xu_R: I figured as much Xu_R Peiki: then mock seems perfect and lightweight for you. Xu_R kb9vqf_offsite: I know. I'm going to start pushing initial stuff to svn now. Peiki kb9vqf_offsite: i was thinking of source files as well Peiki ach, sudden lag kb9vqf_offsite Peiki: Source files stay in SVN kb9vqf_offsite The main project SVN tree that is kb9vqf_offsite We don't need duplicated source trees *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R i'll be off for a little while kb9vqf_offsite New website up http://www.trinitydesktop.rog kb9vqf_offsite New website up http://www.trinitydesktop.org *kb9vqf_offsite hates the Web client kb9vqf_offsite IRC web client that is kb9vqf_offsite MutantTurkey: Your hard work paid off :) ^^^^^^^] <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-12T21:39:19Z">+o kb9vqf_offsite </mode> *kb9vqf_offsite has left #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-12T21:42:23Z">+o kb9vqf-offsite </mode> *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-12T21:43:47Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop Baho Hello techie26_ hi samelian kb9vqf-offsite: I am trying to fix bug #453 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=453 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, No context menu when right clicking a folder in the Konqueror folder tree sidebar samelian seems very obfuscated samelian you have any clue why is this regression? kb9vqf-offsite samelian: That is an odd bug for sure kb9vqf-offsite Are you able to reproduce it? samelian yes kb9vqf-offsite Look for a missing .desktop file samelian you? kb9vqf-offsite hang on samelian this bug is present on 2.5.12? samelian 3.15.12 samelian bleah *kb9vqf-offsite does not have access to his 3.5.12 workstation due to the disk failure kb9vqf-offsite logging on to a remote ssytem now kb9vqf-offsite I can confirm the regression samelian ok, is not because cmake samelian is really hard to track kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Go into the kdebase/konqueror or kdebase/libkonqueror directories and look for any signals/slots that may not be connected kb9vqf-offsite in relation to the treeview kb9vqf-offsite Also check the mouse events samelian I think is somewhere in kdebase/konqueror/sidebar kb9vqf-offsite Could be samelian but there is no warning about unknown signal/slot kb9vqf-offsite Hmmm samelian void KonqSidebarDirTreeItem::rightButtonPressed() is triggered kb9vqf-offsite And what does that do? samelian emit tree()->popupMenu( TQCursor::pos(), lstItems ); kb9vqf-offsite Can you find wha is connecting to popupMenu()? kb9vqf-offsite *what samelian nope *kb9vqf-offsite still suspects a signal/slot problem kb9vqf-offsite what class type does tree() return samelian i see this samelian connect(tree,TQT_SIGNAL(popupMenu( const TQPoint &, const KFileItemList & )), samelian this,TQT_SIGNAL(popupMenu( const TQPoint &, const KFileItemList & ))); samelian in KonqSidebar_Tree::KonqSidebar_Tree samelian tree=new KonqSidebarTree(this,widget,virt,desktopName_); kb9vqf-offsite Why is a signal connected to a signal? kb9vqf-offsite That won't work kb9vqf-offsite What file is that in? samelian konqsidebar_tree.cpp samelian under kdebase/konqueror/sidebar/trees/ samelian hmm, I didn't noticed that signal is connected to signal :) samelian maybe it trigger another signal? kb9vqf-offsite Let me look kb9vqf-offsite Hang on a sec samelian I will check the original 3.5.10 kdebase kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Also http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052196/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224628%2Bpr72_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz samelian in kdebase 3.5.10 is no konqsidebar_tree.cpp file kb9vqf-offsite When you get a chance please look at it samelian hang on kb9vqf-offsite Seems .docbook files are not being installed samelian cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kappfinder/man-kappfinder.1.docbook': No such file or directory samelian dh_install: cp -a ./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kappfinder/man-kappfinder.1.docbook debian/kappfinder- samelian this is manpage samelian there is not support for manpages yet samelian I repeat my question, we really need manpages for trinity? kb9vqf-offsite Oh kb9vqf-offsite Hmmm *kb9vqf-offsite is not sure samelian I think should be regular documentation page kb9vqf-offsite Probably kb9vqf-offsite Who runs Trinity apps from the comand line anyway? kb9vqf-offsite Probably no one samelian exactly kb9vqf-offsite And you are right kb9vqf-offsite The original code connects a signal to a signal samelian you remember why you splitted konqsidebar.cpp? samelian ah, i'm wrong samelian nevermind samelian I should run diff between 3.5.10 and current samelian to check what changes kb9vqf-offsite Sure kb9vqf-offsite I wonder if a bisect/regression analysis would help here kb9vqf-offsite Seeing as CMake builds very rapidly kb9vqf-offsite *kdebase with CMake samelian yes, is much faster, because we haven't libtool wrapper anymore, I guess kb9vqf-offsite The bug is NOT present in 3.5.11 kb9vqf-offsite Which may help to narrow it down further samelian you can run a diff between 3.5.11 and 3.5.12? kb9vqf-offsite Not easily kb9vqf-offsite Remember I don't have my workstation available samelian i see kb9vqf-offsite I'm on an old version of Linux ATM without most of my tools kb9vqf-offsite :( samelian ok, I will download tarball kb9vqf-offsite Replacement disk comes monday :) samelian about docs, I think we need a person to maintain it kb9vqf-offsite Yes kb9vqf-offsite Bring it up in the meeting on Wednesday *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf-offsite: you can give me sources of 3.5.11? samelian the monolithic tarball are huge samelian i must to wait 50 minutes kb9vqf-offsite samelian: I don't think you need to do that samelian i need only kdebase kb9vqf-offsite Go to the websvn and run diffs on each file samelian ah, you right kb9vqf-offsite For example, I noticed that the problem only seems to affect directory items kb9vqf-offsite So kdebase/konqueror/sidebar/trees/dirtree_module/ MAY be to blame samelian you right, other modules seems ok *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-offsite needs to run, be back later on tonight MutantTurkey sorry i havent been on much MutantTurkey today helping out MutantTurkey Piki: yeah i gotta email JD kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Thoughts on this build failure? http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052227/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224628%2Bpr74_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz samelian dh_install: kdebase-trinity-doc missing files (debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdebase*-apidocs/*), aborting samelian make: *** [binary-install/kdebase-trinity-doc] Error 255 samelian there is no apidox, yet kb9vqf-offsite oh kb9vqf-offsite BTW were you able to trace the problem with Konqueror? samelian almost samelian the problems is somewhere in sidebar_widget.cpp samelian I replace it with 3.5.11 version, and bug vanish samelian now I must to find exactly what is the problem kb9vqf-offsite samelian: I guess it is in bool Sidebar_Widget::addButton kb9vqf-offsite Hmmm...or not samelian seems that is related to TQPoint samelian when I replace QPoint with TQPoint, bug appear again samelian kb9vqf-offsite: we have if (mod->tqmetaObject()->tqfindSignal("popupMenu(const QPoint&,const KURL&,const TQString&,mode_t)") != -1) { samelian I think that is related somehow to Qt3 samelian Qt3 do not know anything about TQPoint kb9vqf-offsite Yes, you are correct kb9vqf-offsite That is an odd piece of code kb9vqf-offsite Let me look more into the correct solution for it kb9vqf-offsite In the meantime I have a question for you: kb9vqf-offsite Why is this file installed into /debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/curfiledir.png kb9vqf-offsite instead of /debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/apps/kate/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/curfiledir.png kb9vqf-offsite ? samelian not sure, hang on *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi samelian kb9vqf-offsite: a mistake, fixed kb9vqf-offsite ok kb9vqf-offsite I almost have a fix for your bug as well samelian the bug is triggered there: samelian if (mod->tqmetaObject()->tqfindSignal("popupMenu(const TQPoint&,const KFileItemList&)") != -1) { kb9vqf-offsite Yes samelian with QPoint working as expected kb9vqf-offsite Someone will have to go through the Trinity code to verify that my fix is replicated to all instances where the bug might manifest kb9vqf-offsite Hang on while I get it in SVN samelian was really hard to track :) samelian almost 6 hours kb9vqf-offsite Yes, I can understand kb9vqf-offsite Thanks for doing that samelian hehe kb9vqf-offsite It will take a little bit to fix as well kb9vqf-offsite Personally I really, really hate code that uses metaobject->find kb9vqf-offsite It's very easy to break samelian yes, I we said samelian we* samelian bleah samelian saw* kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Can you check compilation and functionality with kdebase SVN revision 1224640? samelian ok kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Did it work kb9vqf-offsite ? *kb9vqf-offsite is mostly concerned about compilation errors kb9vqf-offsite I didn't test compile before commit :-P samelian seems fine in my build tree kb9vqf-offsite ook *kb9vqf-offsite really hates this web IRC client samelian I will recompile konq from scratch kb9vqf-offsite ok kb9vqf-offsite now that you've seen the fix, there may be other locations in the Trinity source tree that also show the same problem kb9vqf-offsite Feel free to fix them in a similar manner ;-) samelian ok Piki kb9vqf-offsite, i have yet to see a good webirc client. i'd have to say the best i've seen is webchat.freenode.net, and i don't even like that one kb9vqf-offsite Not very elegant, but then again using metaobject()->findxxx() is not elegant either ;-) kb9vqf-offsite I'm on webchat.freenode.org kb9vqf-offsite THe bggest problem is that I can't see what I'm typing in real time kb9vqf-offsite And it tends to eat or duplicate keystrokes kb9vqf-offsite Just a reminder to everyone, today is (was?) bug day kb9vqf-offsite Please find a bug at http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net and try to fix it samelian hehe, 1 bug closed kb9vqf-offsite You did your part :) samelian :) kb9vqf-offsite So you can verify that it is actually fixed then? kb9vqf-offsite If so you can close the bug report kb9vqf-offsite (since you were able to reproduce the bug originally) samelian building... kb9vqf-offsite OK kb9vqf-offsite FYI when closing the bug report it is good practice to mention the SVN revision (or revisions) that comprise the fix samelian fixed kb9vqf-offsite good samelian you can close it kb9vqf-offsite ok kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Your next task: http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052259/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224638%2Bpr75_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf-offsite :) Piki kb9vqf-offsite, i wish i could participate in bug day, but... :-( kb9vqf-offsite It's OK kb9vqf-offsite We'll have another one kb9vqf-offsite Maybe around a month from now kb9vqf-offsite Someone should mention it in the meeting Xu_R Piki: in case you were wondering, mock: https://fedorahosted.org/mock/ Xu_R fine, it uses yum and runs mainly on fedora, but it's the best for building using clean chroots Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: i'll add it to the checklist kb9vqf-offsite thanks Xu_R this is going to be a long meeting... xD kb9vqf-offsite Hehe kb9vqf-offsite It's a big project Xu_R well, but now we know what's currently going on :) kb9vqf-offsite Looks like I'll be busy for a while with the Ubuntu builds :( Xu_R fun. ._. kb9vqf-offsite kdebase builds in 7 minutes now though :() Xu_R :O samelian kb9vqf-offsite: I think you can remove TODO, because is not documentation actually kb9vqf-offsite OK Piki Xu_R, i don't know if our repodata is yum-compatible (unless yum uses zypper or apt-get repodata), i'd have to check with bero kb9vqf-offsite Just wantnted to make sure Xu_R Piki: it's compatible Xu_R i checked kb9vqf-offsite grrr....$!@# webirc kb9vqf-offsite I can spell...honest I can.... Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: LOL it's ok, webchat hates us all :P (but not me, strangely. probably b/c i use it too much) kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: So, want to help with Bug Day? kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: I've been eyeing a couple of bugs. kb9vqf-offsite great kb9vqf-offsite I was starting to think we had a two man circus going on here ;-) Xu_R well, 3 man circus isn't that much better XD kb9vqf-offsite hehe Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: i want to get rid of some bugs that really either should be done or shouldn't kb9vqf-offsite Sure Xu_R for instance, bug #367 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=367 min, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, [PATCH] moc-tqt compilation obstacle kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: That one I think does not matter, as samelian rewrote moc-tqt to be a stream operator Xu_R great. then I'm going to close it? kb9vqf-offsite So for cmake moc-tqt is not even used kb9vqf-offsite samelian, please confirm ^^^^ kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Wait for samelian to verify :) samelian yes, cmake do not use moc-tqt at all kb9vqf-offsite OK Xu_R awesome Xu_R closed as fixed. kb9vqf-offsite Go ahead and close it as invalid Xu_R or that. I was going to use fixed Xu_R (because you could say cmake fixes the problem?) kb9vqf-offsite Invalid because tqt-moc is obsolete kb9vqf-offsite The stream version is called something else Xu_R ahh... too many bugzilla differences ._. Xu_R ok kb9vqf-offsite :) kb9vqf-offsite if there was a invalid-superseded I would say to use that samelian cmake using tmoc Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: The "(Using KDE 3.5.12)" rather than "(Using Trinity 3.5.12)." stuff has been fixed, right? Bug #320 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=320 nor, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Branding Issues kb9vqf-offsite hang on, let me check Xu_R last I checked, I think it had. But I could be blind.... kb9vqf-offsite Here's how to check: with the latest SVN, go to Konsole->Help->About Konsole kb9vqf-offsite On my 3.5.12 system it is not fixed kb9vqf-offsite But it could be fixed in SVN *kb9vqf-offsite has no way of knowing ATM samelian but the idea for bug #367 remain, tmoc do not check presence of tqt-replace-stream tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=367 min, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESO INVALID, [PATCH] moc-tqt compilation obstacle kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Can you take a look at tmoc and see if you can change it to fail with an obvious error if tqt-replace-stream is not foudn? kb9vqf-offsite Or actually I can do that :) kb9vqf-offsite Instead, can you check to see if bug 320 is fixed in SVN or not? tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=320 nor, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Branding Issues Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: sure kb9vqf-offsite thanks Xu_R bug #320 seems fixed on my trinity 3.5.12... tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=320 nor, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Branding Issues Xu_R oh, yea, it's fixed. kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: So the Konsole about dialog (not the Trinity about dialog) shows Trinity 3.5.13? Xu_R oh wait Xu_R shoot. Xu_R i opened up another window Xu_R and it said kde... Xu_R never mind. *Xu_R IS blind. kb9vqf-offsite Should be simple to fix kb9vqf-offsite Want to find it in the source code and let us know the line to change? kb9vqf-offsite My guess is it's in kdelibs/kdeui somewhere Xu_R ok, i'll look through there kb9vqf-offsite thanks--poke me when/if you find something Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R ping Xu_R yay for kate. lol. Xu_R kdelibs/kdeui/kaboutdialog.cpp, line 704 kb9vqf-offsite OK kb9vqf-offsite Hang on while I change it in SVN Xu_R waiting for a revision :) kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: 1224644 Xu_R got it kb9vqf-offsite Thanks for tracking that down kb9vqf-offsite Keep going... ;-) Xu_R hehe samelian time to sleep, gn all kb9vqf-offsite OK Xu_R night samelian :) kb9vqf-offsite thanks for all your help :) samelian welcome :) Xu_R kb9qvf-offsite: #339 - I deem tqtinterface an overriding reason. kb9vqf-offsite bug 339 Xu_R tbottu, bug #339 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=339 nor, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Duplicating upstream efforts tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=339 nor, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Duplicating upstream efforts kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: It would be for python-kde3 kb9vqf-offsite Not sure about the others Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: to me, the rest don't look maintained upstream kb9vqf-offsite Go ahead and mention that tqtinterface breaks direct compat, but that we will need to keep pulling patches from those upstream sources Xu_R they still have it on the website though kb9vqf-offsite And also mention that :) kb9vqf-offsite At this juncture I'm going to say mark it WONTFIX Xu_R hey, I agree! XD kb9vqf-offsite :) kb9vqf-offsite Just be sure to mention WHY kb9vqf-offsite WONTFIX should be used sparingly and with very good justification kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: So, which bug next? Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: if at all :P kb9vqf-offsite Hehe Xu_R bug #419; I think it's related to Slackware's RC handling tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=419 min, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, "Shutdown" option in KDM menu hangs KDM Xu_R and therefore not a Trinity problem :-\ kb9vqf-offsite I've seen it myself kb9vqf-offsite Under Debian Xu_R oh. Xu_R that changes everything. kb9vqf-offsite My hunch is a window stacking problem Xu_R D: kb9vqf-offsite The code is in kdebase/kdm kb9vqf-offsite If you want to take a look kb9vqf-offsite I would see what is different in the Ubuntu version (which works) versus the Debian version (which fails) Xu_R I think I'll just bump the priority for now, so that way this is a top issue for later. kb9vqf-offsite Sure kb9vqf-offsite I'd look but QuickBuild is not building kdebase yet Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: Before we release 3.5.13, however, this should very much be fixed. kb9vqf-offsite Of course kb9vqf-offsite I want to see all the bugs dealt with Xu_R (marking P1, blocker) kb9vqf-offsite Once kdebase builds I'll look into it Xu_R ok :) Xu_R if you are wondering what list I am using, it's this query: http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&order=Importance&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=3.5.12%20%5BTrinity%5D&version=3.5.13%20%5BTrinity%5D&product=TDE%203.5 kb9vqf-offsite next.... kb9vqf-offsite sure kb9vqf-offsite I'm just offloading triage to you ATM kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R hehe Xu_R bug #449 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=449 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, kdebase - Login Manager default needs Kubuntu removal and Font size update Xu_R a very recent one kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: want to trace it for me? Xu_R sure... i'll take a look in kdebase/kdm? (or something of the sort?) kb9vqf-offsite Yes kb9vqf-offsite There aren't very many files there kb9vqf-offsite Any Kubuntu references you find, just send me the line # kb9vqf-offsite and finelname kb9vqf-offsite *filename Xu_R got it, looking Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: WOAH kb9vqf-offsite ? Xu_R found something for bug #419 in the process tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=419 blo, P1, ---, kb9vqf, ASSI, "Shutdown" option in KDM menu hangs KDM Xu_R kfrontend/kdmshutdown.cpp, lines 470 and 477 Xu_R Shutdown calls a "doUbuntuLogout" Xu_R do you think that might be related? Xu_R (sorry about the dramaticness, i was just looking through xD) kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Look more closely :) kb9vqf-offsite And yes, it is related kb9vqf-offsite doUbuntuLogout is ONLY executed if a config file directive is present kb9vqf-offsite It just does a fancy looking logout animation kb9vqf-offsite the Ubuntu reference is only in the code, and is there as an "homage" to the project which wrote it Xu_R ah, yea... now I see it. kb9vqf-offsite There is a similar chunk of code referencing OpenSUSE somewhere else Xu_R lol. not surprised ;) kb9vqf-offsite But nothing user visible ;-) Xu_R anyway, to me it seems that bug #449 is fixed... I just searched "Welcome" and I found "Welcome to Trinity", so... tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=449 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, kdebase - Login Manager default needs Kubuntu removal and Font size update Xu_R hmm... kb9vqf-offsite I would verify that Xu_R hmmm... "Welcome to %h"... kb9vqf-offsite Yeah, if you can't reproduce the bug on your system just move to the next Xu_R yea. I got nothing. kb9vqf-offsite DON'T change its status though :) Xu_R didn't touch the status :P kb9vqf-offsite We'll run through the bugtracker again before release kb9vqf-offsite with a full dev team we can verify that the bug is truly gone kb9vqf-offsite But for now I know CMake is incomplete, making this harder Xu_R bug #351... Ilya submitted patches for this, and shouldn't we just add them? I can't run builds atm, even though I added it to try to test it (but now I can't) tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=351 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Fix Flash in Konqueror kb9vqf-offsite Yes kb9vqf-offsite Let me do that now kb9vqf-offsite Hmmm....link to the patch? Xu_R hold on Xu_R https://api.opensuse.org/public/source/KDE:KDE3/kdebase3/nsplugin-init-gtk.diff Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: I'll email the ML about it committed and then close the bug :) Xu_R (well, when you patch it. lol.) kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: SVN revision 1224648. kb9vqf-offsite Next kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R hehe Xu_R slow down now :P kb9vqf-offsite :) kb9vqf-offsite This is actually quite efficient kb9vqf-offsite I'm doing a lot of things at once Xu_R :D kb9vqf-offsite Saves me the trouble of hunting down the problem kb9vqf-offsite or patchfile Xu_R bug #429, this is interesting. tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=429 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Kicker crashes because of Esc key kb9vqf-offsite Hmm kb9vqf-offsite We need a backtrace Xu_R Yes... We'll need to ask that from him. I can't reproduce it. kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: You around? kb9vqf-offsite I need a CMake fix :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: could it be this: "In case it's relevant: my Esc and Caps Lock keys are swapped." kb9vqf-offsite Yes, but with no backtrace.... kb9vqf-offsite We need that trace to know what went wrong Xu_R should I ask for that? you'll need to give me a command that I should relay to him. kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Yes, ask for it, but all he needs is to have the debug packages installed (kdebase-kde3-dbg) and save the crash log from the DrKonqui popup Xu_R ok Xu_R D: Why don't you have a NEEDINFO status? :( That's an essential thing for a Bugzilla... kb9vqf-offsite Hang on kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Try it now Xu_R ok Xu_R done :D kb9vqf-offsite Next.... Xu_R bug #446 - hmm... tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=446 cri, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, ktorrent crashes kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Same kb9vqf-offsite We need a backtrace kb9vqf-offsite If there is no backtrace just mark it NEEDINFO kb9vqf-offsite And copy/paste what you wrote last time :) Xu_R done Xu_R bug #443 seems to be something similar with ktorrent tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=443 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, ktorrent statistic module crash ktorrent Xu_R also require a backtrace, probably kb9vqf-offsite Yes Xu_R bug #349 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=349 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Files are saved with incorrect group ownership Xu_R this doesn't look trinity-ish to me. :-\ Xu_R actually, it might just be trinity-global - the save as dialog saves everything in the same manner, right? kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: It is trinity-ish kb9vqf-offsite Check ksnapshot sources kb9vqf-offsite Find the save command function kb9vqf-offsite Send the line # to me and I'll look at it kb9vqf-offsite That is, the function that is called to do the actual saving ;-) Xu_R I know :P kb9vqf-offsite Yeah, I was unclear though kb9vqf-offsite Just wanted not to send you on a wild goose chase Xu_R >_< it's all over ksnapshot.cpp? a good place to start is line 209 kb9vqf-offsite Which module? kb9vqf-offsite kdebase? Xu_R kdegraphics kb9vqf-offsite Hmm kb9vqf-offsite Looks like a bug in KSaveFile::KSaveFile kb9vqf-offsite the class, that is Xu_R yes... Xu_R probably not ksnapshot-specific? kb9vqf-offsite probably not kb9vqf-offsite I'd say it's in kdelibs kb9vqf-offsite But first, what class type is snapshot? kb9vqf-offsite It's used in bool KSnapshot::save( const KURL& url ) Xu_R I don't know... kb9vqf-offsite TQPixmap Xu_R hmm.. Xu_R oh. was just about to look in the header. lol. kb9vqf-offsite So it is either in KSaveFile OR TQPixmap kb9vqf-offsite Yep, it's in KSaveFile kb9vqf-offsite Not sure where, but looks like create modes are handled there kb9vqf-offsite KSaveFile is in kdelibs kb9vqf-offsite Even better, kde4 still uses it kb9vqf-offsite So the bug may have been fixed somewhere in kde4 already Xu_R fun. kb9vqf-offsite or, given KDE4's track record, it may not have been fixed at all :-P Xu_R xD kb9vqf-offsite This is not a simple bug by any means kb9vqf-offsite Mark it as kdelibs, note that KSaveFile is the culprit, and move on Xu_R done Xu_R just want to stop and ask... Xu_R that kickoff icon Xu_R (the pixelated, crappy looking icon) Xu_R where is it located? kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Almost done you mean kb9vqf-offsite You didn't change the module in the dropdown list ;-) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: ah, damnit. lol kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Also clean out the cruft from the text boxes on the right hand side of the screen kb9vqf-offsite app version/ap name Xu_R done. lol. kb9vqf-offsite ok kb9vqf-offsite now, what icon again? MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite:am now sorry MutantTurkey my friends yet again overstayed their welcome kb9vqf-offsite It's OK MutantTurkey we managed to watch rush hour 1, 2, and 3 kb9vqf-offsite I may have a fix already--testing now MutantTurkey new site is looking good :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: the kickoff icon Xu_R the other kmenu :P Xu_R the one that says "Go!" and is horribly pixelated MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: I have made good progress on kdegraphics kb9vqf-offsite Ah, the ugly KDE4-ish menu? Xu_R yeah. kb9vqf-offsite What about it? kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: Good Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: location of the icon in svn? I want to mark it down Xu_R so that way it can be replaced with something better in the future? Xu_R besides, it still uses the KDE Icon kb9vqf-offsite Oh, ughh kb9vqf-offsite Try kdebase kb9vqf-offsite Or wait kb9vqf-offsite If it's what I think it is then it's actually embedded in a .ui file :-P Xu_R D: kb9vqf-offsite Yeah , blame OpenSUSE and their "wonderful way of doing things" kb9vqf-offsite Reminds me of M$ Xu_R bleghh. kb9vqf-offsite They wanted to make sure their logos stayed in there, so I removed them anyway :)) Xu_R xD kb9vqf-offsite It's in kdebase/kicker somewhere kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: kicker/kicker/core/kmenubase.ui kb9vqf-offsite IIRC that is the image you are referring to Xu_R oh jeez Xu_R yea, I see it. kb9vqf-offsite Maybe strangelv can come up with a better image to replace it Xu_R oh, no, it's somewhere else Xu_R it's in kicker/data/kickoff/ Xu_R and it's full of pngs... Xu_R well, just one png and three mngs kb9vqf-offsite Ah, OK kb9vqf-offsite It's a mess, isn't it? Xu_R yes. MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: i have: kamera, kcoloredit, kfax, kfile-plugins kghostview, kiconedit, kooka, kruler ksnapshot kview and libkscan :) kb9vqf-offsite Kind of like a little bit of KDE4 brought to KDE3 :-P kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: Great! Xu_R don't we just love the internals? >_< kb9vqf-offsite How much of kdegraphics is that? MutantTurkey uh Xu_R </sarcasm> kb9vqf-offsite Sounds like most of it MutantTurkey more than half easily MutantTurkey 22 total, 12 done kb9vqf-offsite Good, good. Keep working on it, I think a large batch commit to SVN is the best way to handle it MutantTurkey many are partially done, and ar hanging kb9vqf-offsite That way we don't confuse packagers :-) MutantTurkey agreed MutantTurkey so I need to clean it up, check everything out etc. kb9vqf-offsite Sure MutantTurkey then i will send it over Xu_R ok, there are so many build warning bugs I'm going to go crazy XD kb9vqf-offsite Take your time, do it right MutantTurkey agreed kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Hehe MutantTurkey samelian is worried for i am sloppy :p I am trying to be neat Xu_R MutantTurkey: :P do not worry, we will help! XD kb9vqf-offsite You are learning kb9vqf-offsite That is OK MutantTurkey my mind just works at many problems at once, he wants me to do one at a time, boring! :p MutantTurkey i like to jump around Xu_R speaking of that, I have to send out tde.ietherpad.com accounts soon. i think we work better when we collab there. here... it's just logs and then forget. Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: let's start with this: bug #327 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=327 nor, P3, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, libcaldav build warnings MutantTurkey Xu_R: oh yes definitely agreed, though i don't love ietherpad, the idea is right MutantTurkey I may search for a replacement one, same idea though kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: How about something I can host here Xu_R MutantTurkey: or we could ask kb9vqf to host an etherpad instance, although kb9vqf has too much stuff XD Xu_R etherpadfoundation.org :P Xu_R the source is freely available kb9vqf-offsite OK kb9vqf-offsite I can host one MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: yeah. MutantTurkey thats what i was thinking kb9vqf-offsite I just don't like having our core stuff on someone else's equipment Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: eeps, wrong link. it's now http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fetherpad.org%2F&ei=gTh8TdLLK_Oy0QGft4XtAw&usg=AFQjCNFGqtdp_2XtgkqopSsKZbyFf4fJog&sig2=R06YcJCWpvREayBJd68ZSA MutantTurkey I just think some of it is pointless Xu_R *fK YOU GOOGLE javascript* MutantTurkey we shouldn't have a chat on there, and its not exactly fast and easy kb9vqf-offsite Hey, if there's abetter replacement then..... MutantTurkey es i am looking Xu_R http://etherpad.org/ kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Mark #327 WONTFIX kb9vqf-offsite I really, really don't care about warnings from a deprecated build system' Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: hey, there's a nice debian repository for you to use etherpad from :P kb9vqf-offsite Hehe kb9vqf-offsite Makes it easier! Xu_R :D Xu_R so it's set - we host our etherpad on kb9vqf's servers :D Xu_R and it makes his life easier if he runs apt-get upgrade kb9vqf-offsite I can also see about...ummm...deactivating the chat kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R XD MutantTurkey I like collabedit MutantTurkey for a many reasons MutantTurkey it is simler and the layout is cleanear, also you can get a plain text of the file kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: FOSS? MutantTurkey yeah? Xu_R FOSS is a good reason too :P MutantTurkey yes agreed Xu_R amarok build warnings... bug #330 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=330 nor, P3, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, amarok build warnings Xu_R also going to mark WONTFIX MutantTurkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor#Browser-based MutantTurkey Xu_R: are all the build warnings on the same problems? Xu_R MutantTurkey: I told you etherpad was great :D kb9vqf-offsite Anything with warnings about automake just close as WONTFIX Xu_R ok MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: good idea. MutantTurkey have we made good progress today so far? kb9vqf-offsite Mention that automake is deprecated and to file a new bug if there are warnings when built with CMAke Xu_R -_____-* kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: Not as good as I would have liked, but a few bugs did get closed out, so I won't complain :) MutantTurkey yeah, its only our first one :P we will be sure to get the hang of this. kb9vqf-offsite Yup kb9vqf-offsite Having CMake further along will greatly help as well Xu_R AHH so many build warnings -_- kb9vqf-offsite Most can probably be closed out though :) Xu_R doing all of that right now XD kb9vqf-offsite Mark those that can't be as lowest possible priority kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R :P Xu_R they are all automake warnings though kb9vqf-offsite eeek....so much Email kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R so they're all wontfix Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite XD Xu_R incoming! XD kb9vqf-offsite Yep Xu_R o_O Xu_R I collided with myself on bugzilla... Xu_R wow. xD MutantTurkey wait, who was it that got the table at FOSSCON? MutantTurkey kris or robert? Xu_R MutantTurkey: Piki Xu_R not me Xu_R I'm too far away XD MutantTurkey ok. dc though? MutantTurkey thats only like 3-4 hours bud. Xu_R I know MutantTurkey closer than pittsburgh Xu_R but still MutantTurkey ok. i understand :p Xu_R xD MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: did i talk to you about FOSSCON yet? kb9vqf-offsite I've seen some of your chat on IRC Xu_R it's not rejection, MutantTurkey. it's called asian parents. xD MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: ok, so there is a F/OSS conference (basically alot of speakers, but there are also tables/booths) what do you think of an TDE table? MutantTurkey it is in july so we have plenty of time. kb9vqf-offsite I can't make it (obviously) MutantTurkey Piki is getting a Ark Linux table, i may just sit in with him MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: I understand, I can run it though kb9vqf-offsite What would you have available there? kb9vqf-offsite What is the deadline to know if we want to run a table? MutantTurkey uh, I don't know D: I haven't thoguht of that. Xu_R MutantTurkey: you'll need to make a lot of posters, screenshots, a laptop for them to try out :P MutantTurkey like june. kb9vqf-offsite OK MutantTurkey posters, screens and demos yes. Xu_R highlights... etc MutantTurkey as well as CD's and usbs kb9vqf-offsite Let's talk about it in the meeting MutantTurkey people love livecds MutantTurkey ok. Xu_R got it. MutantTurkey robert, add it to the list? kb9vqf-offsite We may not know until right before (in June) MutantTurkey right, that is ok Xu_R MutantTurkey: please add to etherpad, i'm busy killing bugs XD MutantTurkey Xu_R: ok kb9vqf-offsite It will depend on how far along we are Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: when you manage to get onsite, let's have an etherpad instance :D MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: worst comes to worst, I will just join Piki and he will be premoting it through Ark Linux kb9vqf-offsite i.e. "we won't have a release for 6 months" is probably a bad idea :) kb9vqf-offsite but if 3.5.13 works and is STABLE then I would recomment it kb9vqf-offsite *recommend Xu_R yes. we need to have an absolute go/no-go kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Agreed MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: good to get our name out there. kb9vqf-offsite Yes it is kb9vqf-offsite But i a good way, not a bad way ;-) kb9vqf-offsite *in MutantTurkey exactly. kb9vqf-offsite Like I said, let's see where we are in a couple of months kb9vqf-offsite For all I know the bugs in the bugtracker can be fixed easily kb9vqf-offsite A Qt4 demo wouldn't hurt wither kb9vqf-offsite *either MutantTurkey :) i have faith in the project Xu_R hehe :) kb9vqf-offsite Misplaced you said? ;-) MutantTurkey more people are willing to help out, the dev list is busy, we are pooling ourefforts on the etherpad MutantTurkey meetings are planned. kb9vqf-offsite Yes MutantTurkey now we just need to do the work xD kb9vqf-offsite It is starting to take a life of its own Xu_R let's continue then :) kb9vqf-offsite Which is very good from my perspective :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: while i'm busy killing bugs, can you please take a look at Bug #289? tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=289 nor, P3, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, KInfoCenter Not Purged from Desktop and Still Contains Two Modules kb9vqf-offsite sure Xu_R I can confirm this bug - it gets confusing. kb9vqf-offsite ah, darn kb9vqf-offsite It's simple too :-P Xu_R fix it quickly, then? :P kb9vqf-offsite Looking to do just that kb9vqf-offsite Asuming I can find the bloody desktop files MutantTurkey Xu_R: added the bit to the etherpad. Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: lol Xu_R MutantTurkey: awesome! wed's meeting is going to be very long now though... xD MutantTurkey D: it is ok, we will move fast. we just need to mention stuff ya know. kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Can you export the files from the current etherpad and import them to the project's etherpad? Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: yes kb9vqf-offsite OK kb9vqf-offsite I'll try to have it up for the meeting Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: okees kb9vqf-offsite This is weird though kb9vqf-offsite A search for PCMCIA is not showing up anything Xu_R D: *kb9vqf-offsite goes to try Plan B Xu_R dum dum dum? kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: I don't see those two orphaned modules (PCMCIA and storage) kb9vqf-offsite my kinfocenter is blank kb9vqf-offsite Are you sure they are from Trinity?? MutantTurkey kmrml done :) Xu_R yup Xu_R I have storage right in my window right now Xu_R "Storage Devices" kb9vqf-offsite Ah, found PCMCIA kb9vqf-offsite it's in kdeutils Xu_R yayy, we've killed about 30 bugs. good progress indeed. Xu_R now to kill the rest of the 132 that are marked 3.5.12/3.5.13 xD MutantTurkey that is excellent progress MutantTurkey that is like 20% of the bugs Xu_R :D kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Fixed in SVN revision 1224654. Xu_R ok Xu_R we're getting good progress :D Xu_R bug 296... tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=296 nor, P3, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, New Trinity Profile Error Messages kb9vqf-offsite Ah, that kb9vqf-offsite I remember that MutantTurkey should i report build warnings r not? kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: I am not sure kb9vqf-offsite I don't want to flood the bugtracker MutantTurkey ok. MutantTurkey I will not, I mean they are pretty small and not problematic, yet. kb9vqf-offsite I'm leaning towards not reporting them MutantTurkey undestandable kb9vqf-offsite We can always try to fix them when we have extra time (ha ha) kb9vqf-offsite Or let the newbies cut their teeth on them kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Let's skip that one for now MutantTurkey hmmm, I am trying to link kmrml and i get a link error: undefined reference to....etc KDEModule::qt_invote( balh balh) and some others Xu_R ok. kb9vqf-offsite There is no obvious solution MutantTurkey what library is that from? kb9vqf-offsite libqt kb9vqf-offsite err, wait MutantTurkey under kdeui-shared? Xu_R bug 336 - I can't tell if you want to do this or not, but it's not trinity-life-threatening tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=336 nor, P3, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, ksystemlog bugs and enhancements kb9vqf-offsite Leave it alone for now kb9vqf-offsite Actually, mark it as feature request kb9vqf-offsite I guess bugzilla calls it "enhancement" kb9vqf-offsite It's a special category kb9vqf-offsite Bugs in the "enhancement" category will never, ever block a release Xu_R bug 288 next tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=288 nor, P3, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, kdelibs icon bug kb9vqf-offsite Yep, that needs to be dealt with kb9vqf-offsite Hang on Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: bugzilla details are defined by the administrators of the bugzilla, kb9vqf-offsite... xD kb9vqf-offsite I know kb9vqf-offsite I have tried to keep it as close to the defaults as practical Xu_R ah, ok. kb9vqf-offsite For consistancy's sake kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Looks like that bug was already fixed kb9vqf-offsite I don't have an SVN umber kb9vqf-offsite *number Xu_R oh, ok kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R WAIT kb9vqf-offsite 1185622 kb9vqf-offsite svn info is quite helpful :) Xu_R sigh. lol. *kb9vqf-offsite was not sure that "svn info" would actually work MutantTurkey what is a .moc file? I don't understand the idea MutantTurkey or what moc does kb9vqf-offsite meta object compiler Xu_R xD kb9vqf-offsite google it :) MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey will do. Xu_R bug 294 - I don't know about this one. tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=294 nor, P3, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, KControl Zeroconf Service Discovery Module kb9vqf-offsite Best wait for samelian on that one kb9vqf-offsite He would know how to add the conditionals to CMake Xu_R ok MutantTurkey I may know Xu_R bug 404 - was this fixed for us? kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: OK tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=404 min, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, plymouthd does not quit on starting kdm MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: nah no idea, sorry kb9vqf-offsite Oh, OK MutantTurkey haven't learned that part of it yet. kb9vqf-offsite I figured--it's kind of advanced kb9vqf-offsite It took a while for me to figure out how to do that with Automake MutantTurkey I have all the basic stuff done :) so if its something you think i may no don't hesitate Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: 404 looks fixed on this end. MutantTurkey know' kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Hang on kb9vqf-offsite It may not be fixed kb9vqf-offsite I'm trying to find the real patch kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: NO, 404 is NOT fixed Xu_R really? wow. cause I don't see a plymouthd on my end while using trinity. kb9vqf-offsite On Ubuntu? Xu_R yes kb9vqf-offsite Oh kb9vqf-offsite Well kb9vqf-offsite In that case... kb9vqf-offsite mark it worksforme kb9vqf-offsite maybe the init scripts were changed kb9vqf-offsite I just checked for the patch code MutantTurkey D: daylight savings and I have to be at church at 7:45 Xu_R MutantTurkey: D: MutantTurkey gah Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: I'll reboot my TDE vm and check again Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: yea, no plymouthd kb9vqf-offsite Hmmm kb9vqf-offsite I don't trust it kb9vqf-offsite Let me commit their fix Xu_R xD kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: It does not apply cleanly kb9vqf-offsite Mark #404 NEEDSINFO and request that he upgrade/try again kb9vqf-offsite Also have him verify that he is indeed running 3.5.12 Xu_R ok Xu_R done Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R : Xu_R he needs to upgrade to Maverick Xu_R because the fix was released for that Xu_R he's not on the latest Ubuntu. kb9vqf-offsite Ah, OK kb9vqf-offsite Mark it fixed then and mention that we can't fix for Luxid kb9vqf-offsite *Lucid Xu_R bug 420 next :-\ tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=420 min, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Keyboard cursor keys behaves strangely (non deterministic) in file dialogs *kb9vqf-offsite has to go kb9vqf-offsite sorry :( Xu_R eh, np Xu_R getting late anyway :P kb9vqf-offsite We did get a lot fixed :) Xu_R :D kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052371/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224649%2Bpr78_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz Xu_R bug day success? MutantTurkey as far as i am concerned, I don't think we should support anything other than the current ubuntu release and the lts, as far as it goes MutantTurkey for ubuntu kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: Can you and samelian figure that one out? kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: Yes MutantTurkey ok i am looking now kb9vqf-offsite Seems the kcontrol samba .la file is not beeing built kb9vqf-offsite *being kb9vqf-offsite Thanks kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: If you can't figure it out, can you Email samelian for me? kb9vqf-offsite And if you do, can you just let me know via Email kb9vqf-offsite do figure it out, that is *kb9vqf-offsite thinks samelian will have to commit it anyway kb9vqf-offsite gn all MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: that is a crazy amount of output MutantTurkey where is the problem? I don't really see it. it looks to build 100%? Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: night :) MutantTurkey gn kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: it's actually a missing file kb9vqf-offsite Look down to the point right before Debian packages are deinstalled MutantTurkey ok kb9vqf-offsite It will say it "couldn't find a file" kb9vqf-offsite That file is missing kb9vqf-offsite cmake didn't build it kb9vqf-offsite Thanks :) Xu_R oh yea,2326, time to sleep xD Xu_R night MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey yes same h ere. MutantTurkey I think i am ready to pass out Xu_R hehe Xu_R night :) MutantTurkey night MutantTurkey Xu_R: send out an email on the list, maybe just point out a few things you guys fixed, say "super succesful bug day" etc. MutantTurkey good confidence booster for everyone to know you guys made progress MutantTurkey and or list the bugs fixed today MutantTurkey good night *techie26_ has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *David-Konqi has joined #trinity-desktop David-Konqi hello I speak french!! I thus have a question for the email root system I have postfix and I wanted to know if it has or lighter better for a laptop *David-Konqi has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv can find no trace of kicker/data/kickoff/ on his 3.5.12 install. He also REALLY wants to find the about help image as it's got the KDE mascot *Strangelv is envisioning something made out of clay or play dough or something -- something easily manipulated. non-hardening, so not Play-Doh(R)... Strangelv "something easily shown in multiple configurations but still be recognizable as the situation calls for *Strangelv tries to not think of a clay Pupetteer. Even most Experimentalists wouldn't be inventive enough to convey the right message... Strangelv :: finds an unrelated thing to replace that has the K-gear logo. He wonders where the vector version of the T-gear log ois *arw__ has left #trinity-desktop *Strangelv wonders if anyoen actualyl uses Katapult *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Xu_R: hey, tims not on, can you just tell him this : on the installation.php, there are &rarr's showing up, they should be &rarr; and that will solve the problem Xu_R MutantTurkey: ok MutantTurkey thanks MutantTurkey I'll bbl got band practice Xu_R ok, have fun :P *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|TDE has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R eek Xu_R Konversation screwed up. Xu_R trying again... *Xu_R|TDE has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|TDE working now? ... *Xu_R|TDE|Away is away: Gone away for now *Xu_R|TDE is back. Xu_R|TDE yea, it's working. :D *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf-offsite samelian: looks liks samba worked, thanks! samelian welcome Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: [11:56] <MutantTurkey> Xu_R: hey, tims not on, can you just tell him this : on the installation.php, there are &rarr's showing up, they should be &rarr; and that will solve the problem kb9vqf-offsite It's me Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite I'll fix it Xu_R I know, I 'm relaying a messagein. Xu_R *message. kb9vqf-offsite Ah kb9vqf-offsite Sorry kb9vqf-offsite I'm still on the webchat, so it was a bit confusing at first Xu_R oh. lol. kb9vqf-offsite It would help to know which pages have the problem..... Xu_R on installation.php Xu_R there are "&rarr"'s showing up Xu_R it should be "&rarr;" to solve it kb9vqf-offsite ok, fixed *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf-offsite samelian: in kdebase, cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/applnk/Settings/WebBrowsing/khtml_appearance.desktop': No such file or directory kb9vqf-offsite http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052419/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224713%2Bpr79_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf-offsite tried to fix it in SVN revision 1224721, rebuilding now... *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf-offsite samelian: http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052467/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1224721%2Bpr81_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf-offsite arts cannot be found kb9vqf-offsite the arts.pc file is installed into /opt/trinity/lib/pkgconfig kb9vqf-offsite /opt/trinity/lib/pkgconfig/arts.pc technically kb9vqf-offsite MutantTurkey: Maybe you know how to fix this? ^^^^^^^ kb9vqf-offsite samelian doesn't seem to be around ;-) samelian kb9vqf-offsite: use -DPKGCONFIG_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/lib/pkgconfig Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: can't be in /opt/trinity *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Piki kb9vqf-offsite, tbottu is sending the welcome notice twice in a row for some reason, been doing that for a couple of days now Xu_R Piki: you have a hostmask. You d/c and r/c to the channel :-\ Piki i always thought that was supposed to be set when identified, which my client does before i join any channel Xu_R Piki: nope. you can join before you're masked Xu_R and then you're parted and rejoined when the mask is set :-\ Piki then i should get voiced twice in #arklinux, right? (actually i am, once from chanserv, and once from our bot, but if i rejoin, i should get two voices from each for a total of 4) kb9vqf-offsite I guess it depends on bot configuration Xu_R i don't know about that, I don't use hostmasks :-\ I'm just reading this from freenode faq. kb9vqf-offsite tbottu sends the notice on all joins tbottu kb9vqf-offsite: Sorry, I've no idea what 'sends the notice on all joins' might be. kb9vqf-offsite the arklinux bot may not *kb9vqf-offsite is not sure Piki our bot doesn't do welcome messages (at least not at the moment), but his script makes him voice on all joins, so if i were to leave and rejoin, he'd voice me Piki AFAIK chanserv is the same way Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: can you take alook at bug #405 (this isn't like yesterday, i'm not going to keep feeding bugs, but this one seems important) tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=405 nor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Adblock icons multiplying in Konqeuror kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: I can confirm it kb9vqf-offsite The little filter icons IIRC Xu_R haven't tried it, but you're the boss :P ok, mark it as assigned and bump priority? kb9vqf-offsite yep kb9vqf-offsite my desktop is acting up as well (it figures, right?) kb9vqf-offsite so I'm on my laptop Xu_R lol kb9vqf-offsite and I have no practical way of fixing bugs on a small 15" screen :) Xu_R since when is 15" small? :P kb9vqf-offsite Since I have 2 23" screens kb9vqf-offsite on my primary workstation Xu_R ...damn. lol. kb9vqf-offsite It really accelerates the work kb9vqf-offsite how do you think I did this project by myself all this time? ;-) Xu_R xD now now, no bragging XD kb9vqf-offsite hehe kb9vqf-offsite although having the proper resources does save a lot of time Xu_R always does, hm? :) kb9vqf-offsite in my experience for sure! kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: bumped and assigned :) kb9vqf-offsite thanks Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: also... Xu_R why does kcontrol still launch a similar info center? kb9vqf-offsite info center should be disabled in SVN kb9vqf-offsite the desktop shortcut anyway Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: but there's also kcontrol kb9vqf-offsite I'm not going to rip out the infocenter code yet kb9vqf-offsite but kcontrol has pretty much replaced it kb9vqf-offsite I prefer to deactivate obsolete code Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: no, no, I mean, there's the new interface "systemsettings", but there's the old interface "kcontrol" kb9vqf-offsite then remove it in the next release kb9vqf-offsite Ohhh kb9vqf-offsite that piece of garbage Xu_R yea... kb9vqf-offsite well, some people like it :-/ Xu_R :-/ kb9vqf-offsite If it ain't broke..... Xu_R the way I see it, you might as well integrate the two... Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: don't fix it, right? kb9vqf-offsite No, not really kb9vqf-offsite I hate the systemsettings program kb9vqf-offsite they have two different UI philosophies kb9vqf-offsite systemsettings is more KDE4-ish kb9vqf-offsite I'll leave it alone kb9vqf-offsite but I'm not changing/enhancing/integrating it :) kb9vqf-offsite kcontrol, on the other hand, I would be more than happy to enhance Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: ah. I see. :P cause kde4 merged both of them; you can switch back and forth at will. kb9vqf-offsite kde4 kcontrol is limited I thought *kb9vqf-offsite is not sure Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: they're merged :P kb9vqf-offsite Honestly we don't have the manpower to support that kind of low prioriy enhancement kb9vqf-offsite What is wrong with two binaries anyway? Xu_R hehe. true true. kb9vqf-offsite In my experience the merged program is a.) harder to enhance and b.) more prone to break kb9vqf-offsite Unless there is a very good reason to merge them, don't Xu_R ...you have too much experience. xD kb9vqf-offsite ;-) Xu_R ehehehe... Xu_R is bug #412 related to trinity? tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=412 min, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: No such file or directory kb9vqf-offsite Unfortunately yes kb9vqf-offsite It's an Ubuntu packaging problem Xu_R specific to ubuntu...? kb9vqf-offsite that and probably Debian kb9vqf-offsite since the Debian packaging is a modified copy of the Ubuntu packagig Xu_R ok, bump priority (only a little bit though) kb9vqf-offsite It's definitely not a critical problem Xu_R i'm only bumping it to P3 kb9vqf-offsite The displayconfig tool is written in Python, so it may not even work at this point kb9vqf-offsite :) Xu_R the rest stay the same. Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: speaking of that, how's your inbox after my flood of bug closing/changing? :P kb9vqf-offsite Full Xu_R lol kb9vqf-offsite Well, not really, as I have unlimited Email space, but still kb9vqf-offsite Lots and lots of bug messages Xu_R hehehe... kb9vqf-offsite I like to see that though kb9vqf-offsite Means things are getting done :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: You know what we should do? Bugs of the week. kb9vqf-offsite ? Xu_R Pick two from *insert query here* and try to fix them every week :) kb9vqf-offsite Hmm kb9vqf-offsite Good idea kb9vqf-offsite I can add them to the topic Xu_R :D kb9vqf-offsite Just a simple [BOTW #xxx] Xu_R that would work. We just need to remember to change it, which *MIGHT* be a problem. kb9vqf-offsite So, why not find the most irritating bug currently on the bugtracker and I'll throw it up there Xu_R hmmm... Xu_R I think we should start simple-ish kb9vqf-offsite On the plus side, it looks like almost 1/2 the total bugs are closed on the bugtracker :) kb9vqf-offsite Yes kb9vqf-offsite A nice, irritating, simple bug Xu_R let's start with 394 kb9vqf-offsite How about the adblock icons? Xu_R or that. kb9vqf-offsite bug 394 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=394 maj, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Problems with DCOP After Using kdesu kb9vqf-offsite Hmm kb9vqf-offsite OK kb9vqf-offsite Let's do 394 then kb9vqf-offsite It isn't exactly simple kb9vqf-offsite but I think samelian and I can figure out the root cause Xu_R Awesome. :) Should I mark on the bug that this was Bug of the Week? or should we just keep it as is? kb9vqf-offsite No, just leave the bug report alone for now *Xu_R keeps diving into details... sorry. lol. Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: ok :) <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-14T00:48:26Z">+o kb9vqf-offsite </mode> *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-14T00:51:14Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf-offsite has left #trinity-desktop Xu_R and kb9vqf is restarting... Xu_R brb *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: You will have to let everyone know about the bug-of-the-week concept :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: already added to ietherpad :D Xu_R and remember about that etherpad instance that you haz to set up soon :P hehehehe... (yes, I can be annoying xD) MutantTurkey so tired D: MutantTurkey Xu_R: we setup the etherpad? Xu_R MutantTurkey: :( MutantTurkey band practice from 12-8 MutantTurkey my wrists are killing me Xu_R MutantTurkey: no, not yet Xu_R eeek... I have to do that Tuesday :( Xu_R except with orchestra. MutantTurkey ok, well I'll be on tomorrow MutantTurkey gotta sleep Xu_R night Mutant.. Xu_R too late. Piki Xu_R, may need an account on the etherpad, my color changed. i'm relatively sure i was using the preselected color before (unless i made an accidental click in the color pallete). i don't really like the colors though, i have trouble seeing similar shades and colors, especially on LCDs :-( Xu_R Piki: Yes, wait until the meeting. Xu_R I will (provided kb9vqf-offsite has set up everything and added me as an admin for it) make and distribute accounts to everyone's emails. Piki ok Xu_R Also, we need to make sure stuff here is mirrored to the wiki weekly... that will be figured out at the meeting too. Piki the irc logs? may be possible with a script for the bot, but if you're talking about the etherpad, dunno on that one Xu_R no, etherpad Xu_R logs are not a problem. Piki yeah, not sure on that, probably need a plugin for either etherpad or the wiki Xu_R or we'll just do manually. this is all discussed in the meeting... Xu_R night allz *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop Piki MutantTurkey, good morning MutantTurkey hey MutantTurkey good evening i hope you mean Piki MutantTurkey, it's night :-P i'm just saying "morning" because i thought you went to bed lol Piki actually, i tend to say "good morning" when it's not actually morning, just to see people's reactions :-P MutantTurkey Piki: I was meaning to MutantTurkey :P MutantTurkey where is kmail found in the svn tree? Piki probably under kdepim MutantTurkey k Piki if not, perhaps applications, but check kdepim first, it's needed for korganizer, which is kdepim *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey it is MutantTurkey I am so very tired. I am going to sleep. good night. Piki MutantTurkey, do you mean it this time? Piki :-) MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey haha MutantTurkey gn *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|Away has joined #trinity-desktop *64MAAAY3H has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey etherpad is down D: *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School BLAH. I just spent the last 30 minutes debugging C++ code. I hate it! >_< Xu_R|School oh jeez, calvin is right. ietherpad is down D: Xu_R|School Piki-Away, Strangelv, TokRa, samelian: remember, meeting Wednesday. Also, current Bug of the Week is Bug #394 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=394 maj, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Problems with DCOP After Using kdesu Xu_R|School laterz/ TokRa :) *andycc has joined #trinity-desktop *lente has joined #trinity-desktop lente hi there. First of all thanks for keeping KDE3 alive. I use Trinity for Debian Squeeze, but one thing annoys me. If I want to open a directory in konqueror there is a short animation befor opening. How can this be changed to instant opening, like in KDE3 for Debian Lenny? Xu_R lente: Short animation...? Like the bouncing konqueror logo before it opens? lente Xu_R: no. the directory seems to "fly" into out of the screen and becomes invisible. lente -into Xu_R lente: hmm... I don't have this problem :( lente Xu_R: this doesnt happen if I use the browser in amarok lente Xu_R: it is a nice feature. but I dont want it. Xu_R lente: hmm... do you have desktop effects installed? lente Xu_R: no, if you mean compiz. Xu_R lente: check system settings - there might be more than compiz. lente Xu_R: I installed Squeeze basic (just the basic system without anything else). Then I installed the "standart trinity package" desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity Xu_R if not, please file a bug report at bugs.pearsoncomputing.net so that way we can get more information. lente Sorry but I dont understand what you mean by saying: check system settings? Piki i think he means kcontrol, i think there's a desktop effects section somewhere in it Piki even if you don't have compiz lente no lente only lauchpad feedback. but with "no busy curser" and enable taskbar nodification is unchecked Piki kcontrol -> Appearance & Themes -> Style -> Effects <--- was what i was thinking of, but it doesn't have what you're looking for, so i dunno lente I have the same effect if I click on an applicationlauncher in the taskbar. Xu_R lente: please file a bug report. we'll investigate further. :) Xu_R be back in a bit lente I just fpund out that it happens only if i use the detailed view in konqueror Xu_R lente: narrows it down. :) as I said, into the bug report everything goes. we're starting to close bugs and make fixes now. lente ok. thank you. Space_Man lente: have a look at system settings > style > effects Space_Man mine are all disabled lente I deactived all. Piki lente, find out what you can before you file the report. if you think of something later, you can always go back and add it to the report lente ok. lente thank you. lente are there any files I have to send in to? Piki i don't think so, but one of the devs will post a note to your report if you do Piki though it may be helpful to get a screenshot of what's happening lente ok I will add one. Piki and add that to the report, along with a description of what it's showing, so the devs can understand better what's happening lente k *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop samelian !seen <kb9vqf tbottu I've never seen a '<kb9vqf', sorry. samelian !seen kb9vqf tbottu kb9vqf was last seen 3 days, 19 hours, 34 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying '* kb9vqf needs to shut this workstation down, see you all tomorrow' in #trinity-desktop. samelian !seen kb9vqf-offsite tbottu kb9vqf-offsite was last seen 18 hours, 31 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying 'Xu_R: You will have to let everyone know about the bug-of-the-week concept :)' in #trinity-desktop. Xu_R samelian: he's as kb9qvf-offsite samelian i know :) Xu_R samelian: Bug of the Week: #394 Xu_R tbottu, bug 394 tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=394 maj, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Problems with DCOP After Using kdesu samelian nope, I found a better bug :) samelian which is an ugly crash, actually Xu_R samelian: well, we thought, let's start simple :) samelian hehe Xu_R samelian: which one did you find? what bug? samelian in kcontrol, you you click on Appearance -> Style, kcontrol is crashing samelian if you* Xu_R D: Xu_R have a bug #? samelian nope Xu_R :( samelian seems to be related to our qt3 patch Xu_R uh oh... Xu_R this may also be related to opensuse kde3... they imported our patch into their qt3. samelian we have strange crashes on suse? Xu_R samelian: related to kcontrol, yes,. samelian aha Xu_R ok, this is top priority now, because we're affecting openSUSE D: *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop samelian yep samelian I think out patch trigger an infinite recursivity, somehow Xu_R samelian: ok, I sent a message saying that we may have a solution, and that tim should try to get on ASAP Xu_R earlier fixed, better. samelian yes, he made the patch and I guess he undestand better Qt's undergrounds Xu_R yup. *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse Hi Xu_R hello Anixx-suse I am Ilya Xu_R thought so :) Anixx-suse You said you know what the cause of the bug Xu_R samelian thinks the qt3 patch that tim made is causing kcontrol to crash... Xu_R because it's crashing on Trinity too now. Anixx-suse interesting Xu_R [15:30] <samelian> seems to be related to our qt3 patch Anixx-suse The same patch does not cause the crash on 11.3 Anixx-suse only on 11.4 Anixx-suse I can try to rebuild qt3 without the patch and see. Xu_R I thought so too, but samelian might be on to something. :-\ Xu_R Anixx-suse: you could try that. Anixx-suse but still it seems the crash happens when zlib is called Xu_R D: hmm... two possibilities for the crash :( Xu_R when tim gets on, we may be able to rule out the patch if that is not the case. Anixx-suse rebuilding all with new variant of qt3 takes weeks Anixx-suse tens of thousands of packages Xu_R Anixx-suse: then it's safer to check zlib for a cause. Anixx-suse I will check qt3 samelian mybe out patch are ok, but kcontrol is ungrateful :) samelian our* Anixx-suse did not you test this patch before? Anixx-suse did it begin to cause the crash only now? Xu_R we've been using the qt3 patch for some time, so i'm surprised if it has something to do with it though :-\ samelian sometimes we have unexpected situations samelian I found some of them, so far Anixx-suse okay. i'll remove the patch untill it is tested well Anixx-suse i thought is is already tested for some time and does not affect much Xu_R Anixx-suse: technically, it shouldn't. D: samelian trinity is really big Anixx-suse now the qt3 without the patch is being built samelian Anixx-suse: tell me if kcontrol still crashing without patch Anixx-suse i saw it - there was about a few lines of code, some new methods... I thought it is for Trinity interface only. samelian yes, this was intention samelian but seems that have some side effects Anixx-suse i have seen Debian devs cited modifications to qt3 and binary incompatibility as a reason why Trinity will not be accepted to Debian Xu_R Anixx-suse: yes, that's true. :-\ samelian we (or at least, I) do not care about Debian devs :) Xu_R but their reason is always important. samelian our too Anixx-suse on the other hand the suse devs said that they will not accept vanilla KDE3 but if Trinity is packaged it could be accepted Anixx-suse because the upstream is alive Xu_R conflict of interest lol samelian we don't change Qt for our pleasure, have a reason :) Anixx-suse have you figured out why the crash happens? is there a fixed version of trinity-qt3? samelian not yet, I wait for Tim opinion samelian seems a infinite recursivity samelian Anixx-suse: you tried kcontrol with unpatched qt? samelian without* samelian hmm, double negation :) Anixx-suse but the crash in kcontrol seems to be either because of zlib or because a null-pointer is tranferred to zlib instead of the path to the icon file name Anixx-suse the latter is the most likely samelian depend which module crashing samelian for me, crashing in appearance -> style Anixx-suse actual crash is due to the null pointer where a pointer to a string is expected samelian Anixx-suse: you have a trace? Anixx-suse for us in icon Anixx-suse in icons Anixx-suse depending on icon theme samelian maybe is another issue samelian pls try to give me a trace Anixx-suse yes Anixx-suse https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679345 Anixx-suse see this bugreport: Anixx-suse qt3 is ready Anixx-suse will test now Anixx-suse and we use KDE3.5.10, not Trinity. Can this patch cause crashes in the vanilla KDE3 without tqinterface? samelian Anixx-suse: actually i'm not sure that gdb trace is very accurate samelian you should use kde crash handler trace Anixx-suse it is there Anixx-suse actually openSUSE includes qt3 3.3.8b They did not push the change to the official repo Anixx-suse I will re-login. have to reboot *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse just tries with vanilla qt3 samelian and? Anixx-suse all the same. crash is there samelian aha samelian i see there this code: gzFile svgz = gzopen(path.latin1(), "ro"); Anixx-suse yes samelian I think that latin1() can return NULL sometimes Anixx-suse what is better? samelian if think that we can check of path is empty Anixx-suse what the function is it? samelian if(path.empty()) return false; samelian bool KSVGIconEngine::load(int width, int height, const TQString &path) samelian isEmpty(), actually samelian or better Anixx-suse add 1 line? samelian if(path.isNull()) return false; samelian yes Anixx-suse why this returns null? samelian bool KSVGIconEngine::load(int width, int height, const TQString &path) samelian { samelian if(path.isNull()) return false; Anixx-suse if on 11.3 it does not samelian i'm not sure, we should dig deeper samelian first of all, why KSVGIconEngine::load() receiving an empty path *si-m1 has left #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse that is the question) samelian maybe is an external cause samelian try to fix it as I said samelian and tell me if works samelian meantime, I will investigate deeper samelian Anixx-suse: this is origin of problem: samelian icon=icontheme.iconPath("exec.svg", size, KIcon::MatchBest); samelian if(engine.load(size, size, icon.path)) samelian check if "exec.svg" really exists samelian actually, check for exec.png too Anixx-suse exec.svg? samelian yes samelian exec.svg is searched only if exec.png is not found before Anixx-suse should this be in any icon theme? Anixx-suse the themes did not change from 11.3 to 11.4 samelian i have no ideea, I think is not, this is reason for crash samelian check for exec.png, on both distros samelian this chunk of code seems the origin of problem: samelian KIcon icon=icontheme.iconPath("exec.png", size, KIcon::MatchBest); samelian if (!icon.isValid()) { samelian #ifdef HAVE_LIBART samelian icon=icontheme.iconPath("exec.svg", size, KIcon::MatchBest); samelian if(engine.load(size, size, icon.path)) Anixx-suse there is such file in Nue icon theme samelian you have libart support on both distros? *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse ah the problem is with libart? samelian sort of samelian not in libart itself, but triggered by libart support Anixx-suse seems the name of the library changed from 11.3 to 11.4 Anixx-suse from libart_lgpl to libart_lgpl_2-2 samelian in any case, the crashing shouldn't occur Anixx-suse maybe you make a patch for Trinity and share it with us? samelian there we have a sum of unfortunate coincidences :) Anixx-suse meanwhile I will try to hotfix the library name samelian Anixx-suse: actually I'm no sure that I can reproduce the problem samelian I will try to delete exec.png Anixx-suse what if you remove libart library? Anixx-suse though.. it seems the code executed when libart is defined so when configure found it samelian I think that the error will vanish quietly samelian yes Anixx-suse if no libart this code should be inaccessible samelian as I said, a sum of coincidences :) Anixx-suse so... what to do? remove libart? samelian I suggest to make a patch samelian bool KSVGIconEngine::load(int width, int height, const TQString &path) samelian { samelian if(path.isNull()) return false; Anixx-suse can you try& and I will patch the package and quickly test it Anixx-suse if path is null it should use pmg file Anixx-suse not svg Anixx-suse ]and not just return samelian not exactly samelian there is svg handler samelian if svg is tried to be used, meaning that png was not found samelian KIcon icon=icontheme.iconPath("exec.png", size, KIcon::MatchBest); samelian if (!icon.isValid()) { samelian #ifdef HAVE_LIBART samelian icon=icontheme.iconPath("exec.svg", size, KIcon::MatchBest); samelian if(engine.load(size, size, icon.path)) samelian see? samelian first checking for png samelian is png is not valid, is tried svg samelian unfortunately we have no svg as well samelian and crashing occur Anixx-suse i see Anixx-suse and without libart it just returns samelian yes Anixx-suse and with libart it assumes the file is there anyway samelian yes, bad ideea :) Anixx-suse ok Anixx-suse can you make a patch quickly? I have no sources at the moment samelian hmm, I have only current svn tree Anixx-suse and I will test it samelian you want a current trinity patch? Anixx-suse is it different from vanilla kde3? samelian more or less samelian hang on Anixx-suse ok Anixx-suse i'll try to patch it samelian Anixx-suse: samelian http://paste.lug.ro/131050 samelian you should adapt it a little, I think samelian QString instead TQString, etc Anixx-suse thanks samelian welcome samelian tell me if is ok aalecs pam-pam Anixx-suse yes aalecs salut serghei :D samelian salut alex Anixx-suse btw do you change any line of code in Trinity in such a way? Anixx-suse qt->tqt etc aalecs samelian: tqt ? samelian Anixx-suse: sorry, i did not understand Anixx-suse QString instead of TQString etc samelian trinity using TQString, yes samelian you don't need it Anixx-suse other way around, TQString instead of QTString, TQFile instead of QFile samelian yes samelian all tqt claseses beginning with TQ Anixx-suse is there an automated script that does all these substitutions? samelian yes aalecs ah acu mam prins samelian hehe aalecs credeam ca se refera la functii qt, care alea nu pot fi redenumite samelian nu, tqt e altceva samelian e un wrapper peste qt3 Anixx-suse ooh i do not understand spanish/ let me speak russian instead ) aalecs Anixx-suse: is romanian :D samelian hehe, it's Romanian actually Anixx-suse looks like spanish samelian yes, it's latin tongue aalecs Anixx-suse: while you're russian, did you try altlinux ? Anixx-suse no Xu_R samelian: you speak too many languages. lol. samelian haha aalecs lool aalecs :)) samelian romanian, C++, russian, a little english, cmake etc :) aalecs Anixx-suse: try it, you'll like it Xu_R :P Anixx-suse alt linux includes trinity now aalecs yes, includes aalecs we have some problems with the latest gcc, but we're on the way fixing them :D aalecs glibc* Anixx-suse are you an alt linux developer? aalecs Anixx-suse: i maintain some packages , play with bugs aalecs stuff like this aalecs and work on my own distro installer etc Anixx-suse what did you do with kaffeine and ktorrent? it seems that you had to downgrade them with transition to trinity? samelian I will update it when I will port it to cmake aalecs we have kaffeine 0.8 and kafine for kde 4 aalecs different things aalecs and same with ktorrent Anixx-suse i meant in the final KDE3.5.10 kaffeine is of higher version than that in Trinity Anixx-suse How Alt Linux handle it? Do they keep these programs from KDE3? aalecs well, i don`t know exactly what happend because i am not the packager for alt. i should have been, but someone take over. i have right on the building of trinity, but for the moment dont have time; i will soon build 3.5.13 for alt aalecs hoping also the glibc will be fixed quick aalecs and regarding versions... don`t know what happend, we have kaffeine 0.8.8 aalecs and ktorrent 2.2.8 Anixx-suse samelian: by the way, several days ago in opensuse-kde3 list one one guy said that you made some patches to knetworkmanager so that it works with NM 0.8 samelian actually I guess we have already a patch for newer NMs Anixx-suse samelian: he made a link to Gentoo repo but it turned out that it has a very old version (0.2 or so) samelian hmm, the Gentoo patch I think is made be me :) Anixx-suse samelian: is there a link to the patch? aalecs samelian: what kaffeine ver is in trinity ? samelian have no idee, I do not use kaffeine aalecs neither do i aalecs :)) Anixx-suse aalecs: 0.8.6 samelian Anixx-suse: this? http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde-sunset.git;a=blob;f=kde-misc/knetworkmanager/files/knetworkmanager-0.7-uuid_fix.patch;h=e71ec5e716c6e160740235cb000205be96fc2e11;hb=388e2ee4eff2d76363cef2a357125ef572bcbfd9 aalecs Anixx-suse: we got 0.8.8 aalecs so we used the 3.5.10 ver Anixx-suse samelian: thank you very much samelian for what? :) Anixx-suse by the way do you plan to add more software to Trinity? aalecs yeah, i want to try porting baghira aalecs and ksquirrel aalecs oh ksq is already there aalecs hm, i got to build it for alt Anixx-suse ksquirrel has a security flaw Anixx-suse not closed samelian more software to trinity will increase pressure against us Anixx-suse buffer overflow - known security bug discovered by IBM aalecs hm, this i did not know. i used it 1year ago Anixx-suse In OpenSUSE Build Service even does not pass the post-build-checks aalecs samelian: pressure from the original kde ? samelian from users :) samelian we are only two "real" developers :) aalecs why against ? maybe they will help :D Anixx-suse samelian: Robert made a comparison with OpenSUSE KDE3 repository and got a huge list samelian hehe, we already busy with core kde problems Anixx-suse samelian: not the list is even greater samelian after cmake, the first priority is to drop hal support Anixx-suse ok aalecs and use udev :D samelian yep samelian udev + dbus aalecs good aalecs without gvfs i hope :D samelian udisks/upower, etc Anixx-suse these are very great endevours aalecs i see lately a lot of apps go to gvfs samelian what is gvfs? samelian a sort of kioslaves? Anixx-suse do you plan to include say, kvim, valknut, kbibtex? aalecs vfs to access different hardware, sticks, cds, etc samelian aha, so kioslaves :) aalecs Anixx-suse: valknut = eiskalt aalecs :D aalecs samelian: yes Anixx-suse aalecs: eiskat is only availabe for qt4 aalecs samelian: but gvfs has a sucking support of smb for example samelian i need to rewrite kio_sftp, kio_fish and kio_imap4 aalecs Anixx-suse: correct, but samelian wants to port kde3 to qt4 aalecs :) samelian Tim, actually samelian I do not care to much about qt4 Anixx-suse anything written for qt4 requires regular updates Anixx-suse because it changes quickly samelian yes, for this reason Tim started TQt samelian to insulate trinity against long term qt changes aalecs well, then he should not change to qt4 samelian we don't Anixx-suse so what software do you usually accept? Xu_R Anixx-suse: trinity on qt4: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TQtForQt4 Xu_R Anixx-suse: and a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/tzv9z.png samelian i'm not sure yet about what software we will accept samelian the policy is not yet stated samelian I think that Tim will reject apps which cannot be compiled against tqt Anixx-suse Xu_R: screenshot is interesting but with a\n Oxygen theme would be more specific )) *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs another guy obsessed by oxygen aalecs :D aalecs like me Anixx-suse Xu_R: Plastik is difficult to distinguish from Plastique Xu_R Anixx-suse: ah, true. but I think the theming part is harder to do (it's very different on Qt4 than Qt3, according to tim) aalecs i have it on gtk (running xfce for the moment) Anixx-suse Xu_R: so this is a Qt3 style? Xu_R Anixx-suse: yes, that was Plastik on Qt4... (don't know what he did, just he mentioned it being significantly harder) Xu_R hi MutantTurkey :D MutantTurkey Xu_R: hey what's up? samelian Anixx-suse: ping me if svg problem was solved, if yes, I will commit it to SVN as well Anixx-suse aalecs: if you are going to make some packages for Alt I suggest you to have a look at openSUSE KDE3 repository. Maybe you could find some software which would benefit Alt users Anixx-suse samelian: ok aalecs Anixx-suse: noted, will do Xu_R MutantTurkey: discussion around here :) aalecs Anixx-suse: you tested alt ? MutantTurkey Xu_R: with opensuse? Anixx-suse aalecs: no Anixx-suse aalecs: but I thin it is a good distro samelian Xu_R just watching, with closed mouth :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: the etherpad was down earlier D: aalecs Anixx-suse: try, you might like :D Xu_R samelian: :P i try not to disturb patching and bugfixing samelian haha Xu_R MutantTurkey: I know. It's back up again :) MutantTurkey not acceptable. we definitely need to get our own Xu_R MutantTurkey: I have download backup copies again just in case. samelian we working like Dr. House's team :) MutantTurkey good. samelian working and chatting at same time :) MutantTurkey "it must be a rare south american liver disease contracted only while flying above the amazon wearing ski goggles" Xu_R well, two person Dr. House's team atm. xD just you and ilya, but then wait until tim gets here XD MutantTurkey that is house MutantTurkey where is tim? haven't seen him all day Xu_R i don't know :( probably having his desktop problem still. MutantTurkey samelian: on the issue of kpovmodeler, I have recompiled tqtinterface so that isn't the problem, I don't know what it is. same output still: http://ix.io/1xw *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs let him who have understanding... 666 samelian MutantTurkey: you update your tqt svn tree? MutantTurkey samelian: yes i freshly built from svn samelian check if you have TQDIALOG_OBJECT_NAME_STRING in tqt.h Xu_R Anixx-suse: i'm guessing problem solved? or not? :-\ MutantTurkey samelian: ok aalecs guys MutantTurkey yah/ aalecs wanna see smth nice ? MutantTurkey ? aalecs http://alpinet.org/main/foto/showfoto_ro_t_cand-stelele-aluneca-pe-cer_item_104552_vot_0_position_1.html aalecs falling stars MutantTurkey very nice. where is that? Anixx-suse Xu_R: We wwill test it aalecs MutantTurkey: in romanian mountains MutantTurkey samelian: okay have it. weird MutantTurkey aalecs: beautiful. I wish to go to europe soon aalecs come visit :D Xu_R Anixx-suse: ok :) MutantTurkey I would like to MutantTurkey I may have the opportunity to spend 6-10 months there in the spring samelian hehe, Romania is pretty ugly country, actually Piki MutantTurkey, don't know if you've seen, but Ark's going to be at fosscon Piki still waiting if anybody can join me, but if so, we may be able to spare someone to go back and forth between us and the trinity booth MutantTurkey Piki: yes i saw. MutantTurkey Maybe i could just join you. MutantTurkey If anyone has questions about trinity i can answer them MutantTurkey I have talked to tim about it. if we have a stable release by june we are gonna get a trinity table MutantTurkey who's idea for the etherpad was it? I love it. MutantTurkey this project is 10000 times better now. Xu_R :P MutantTurkey because we actually are addressing all the problems, things written down are not so easily forgotten Xu_R yea, that's my idea. and btw, I think I might have a way to automate the mirroring of everything on etherpad to a server - still have to check a bit further though MutantTurkey ok. MutantTurkey I mean it is good if we could get out own then we are fine Xu_R as I said, we have to wait for tim. he said he'd have one by wednesday so I could migrate for the meeting, but... who knows. MutantTurkey that is at 9pm? cool Xu_R MutantTurkey: um, no, still at 7pm. *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop Piki i like etherpad, the only thing i don't like is the color thing, my eyes have trouble with similar colors and shades, and LCDs make that harder MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey those colors are crappy. Xu_R welcome kb9vqf-offsite: we were wondering where you were. lol. kb9vqf-offsite Hi guys kb9vqf-offsite not much time ATM :) MutantTurkey no reason to have chat either MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: that is fine. kb9vqf-offsite Busy getting my workstation online; only have a minute or so Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: noticed. I think samelian and Anixx-suse (Ilya) might have fixed the problem, but it's still unresolved. kb9vqf-offsite Just wanted to ask samelian to look into why kdm does not generate the Xaccess file in kdebase kb9vqf-offsite samelian: I think CMake needs to run these lines from the original Automake system: kb9vqf-offsite $(srcdir)/config.def $(srcdir)/confproc.pl $(PERL) -w $(srcdir)/confproc.pl $(srcdir)/config.def $@ Piki MutantTurkey, if tde is stable, it should have a table at fosscon, it needs as much attention as ark samelian kb9vqf-offsite: ok, I will check kb9vqf-offsite Thanks MutantTurkey yes. we talked it all over. see logs Piki we can point each other out anyway kb9vqf-offsite Basically Xaccess is not being generated MutantTurkey yes quite. samelian kb9vqf-offsite: I think we have a problem with patch for qt kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: If you guys think you have a fix for the zlib crash then please post it to the list kb9vqf-offsite I'd like to look at it :) samelian was not zlib crash, actually samelian at least, is not gzip fault kb9vqf-offsite samelian: What is wrong with the Qt patch? kb9vqf-offsite OK samelian hang on *kb9vqf-offsite notes that his workstation should be fully up tomorrow....59% on the RAID rebuild MutantTurkey kb9vqf-offsite: good luck kb9vqf-offsite thanks :) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: same, good luck :) kb9vqf-offsite I'll be able to help more at that point kb9vqf-offsite Also, the more people we have helping with CMake the better kb9vqf-offsite There is a bit of mutiny coming from Darrell lately :-( kb9vqf-offsite Personally I am fed up with Automake samelian kb9vqf-offsite: we have this chunk of core, which seems to run in an infinite recursivity samelian http://paste.lug.ro/131051 kb9vqf-offsite I don't want to see another #!$% Makefile.am bug, crash, or screwup kb9vqf-offsite OK kb9vqf-offsite I must have missed that kb9vqf-offsite Hang on.... kb9vqf-offsite See note 11 here: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TQtForQt4 kb9vqf-offsite samelian: ^^^^^^ kb9vqf-offsite That is the reason for the infinite loop Piki kb9vqf-offsite, i'll start working on cmake for applications, most people expect several of those to be included in a kde3 distro and would therefor expect a tde distro to include them. i'll also try to help with some of the non-apps samelian yes, for this reason I suspect that crashing is related somehow to qt3 patch kb9vqf-offsite Piki: Sounds great! Piki or rather, some of the main stuff outside of apps kb9vqf-offsite samelian: It is related to the change from a pointer based object list to an object based object list Piki will wait until the hard disk arrives kb9vqf-offsite The object is not being updated samelian kb9vqf-offsite: you can fix it? I do not understand very well this code Piki i'm ordering on thursday when i get paid kb9vqf-offsite I think so kb9vqf-offsite Hang on kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Do you know which line it hangs on? samelian wait, I will give you backtrace kb9vqf-offsite OK *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-offsite thinks it might actually be a recursive failure samelian kb9vqf-offsite: http://paste.lug.ro/131052 kb9vqf-offsite hmmm *kb9vqf-offsite goes to check kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Looks like you might be right kb9vqf-offsite It is a problem in the patch IIRC kb9vqf-offsite Let me throw up a pastebin with the fix samelian ok kb9vqf-offsite You will need to fix it into the proper .diff format :) *kb9vqf-offsite does not have most of his tools available from his laptop samelian no problem Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: new Qt3 patch? kb9vqf-offsite Probably kb9vqf-offsite Hang on Xu_R ok. kb9vqf-offsite samelian will have to give you the real one ;-) kb9vqf-offsite I'm just going to indicate what needs to be fixed Anixx-suse if there is a new patch, please sr it to KDE:KDE3, robert Xu_R Anixx-suse: got it. Anixx-suse and please include also the proper version reportiung there Anixx-suse from the patch which was in the list Xu_R Anixx-suse: in the sr request? saying that new Qt3 patch? Anixx-suse Xu_R: in the new Qt3 patch kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Do you have the original patchfile that was used to create your version of the patched Qt3 libraries? kb9vqf-offsite I ask because it looks like everything is guarded properly in the version that is on the Wiki samelian hang on Anixx-suse Xu_R: the patch by Darrell Anderson samelian kb9vqf-offsite: http://paste.lug.ro/131053 kb9vqf-offsite samelian: That patch is outdated Xu_R Anixx-suse: I'm confused. You want me to sr the new patch that samelian will make, elevate the version in the Qt3 spec file, but then what? kb9vqf-offsite That's why it crashed! samelian i see :) samelian nice samelian I will rebuild qt3 kb9vqf-offsite You must have grabbed a VERY early version :-P kb9vqf-offsite Use the patch here: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3 samelian for sure, we need to version it somehow kb9vqf-offsite Hehe samelian I didn't noticed that was changed Anixx-suse Xu_R: no, Darrel made a correction to the Qt patch so that Qt reports its version properly kb9vqf-offsite samelian: That broken version was a mistake kb9vqf-offsite It was only on the Wiki for a day or so Anixx-suse Xu_R: as 3.3.8c kb9vqf-offsite I removed it as soon as I realized the wrong file was posted samelian hehe, i was lucky to grab buggy patch :) kb9vqf-offsite Yep Xu_R Anixx-suse: oh, ok. let me search for it... kb9vqf-offsite Sorry kb9vqf-offsite Now I wonder who else hase the broken patch kb9vqf-offsite Maybe SuSE does as well *kb9vqf-offsite does not know Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: then how come it affects SuSE as well? I sent the new patch to them, (It's the same) and it's still broken... kb9vqf-offsite Same backtrace? Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679345 samelian the suse problem is not related to my bug Xu_R oh. samelian is a bug in kdecore *Xu_R is a bit confused lol Xu_R don't mind me :P samelian i made a patch for ilya kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: That bug is completely different Anixx-suse kb9vqf-offsite: so the crash is because of incorrect version reported? kb9vqf-offsite like samelian says :) kb9vqf-offsite Anixx-suse: I don't know, I think samelian worked on the fix kb9vqf-offsite We are discussing two different crashes here ATM samelian Anixx-suse: your bug is not related to mine kb9vqf-offsite One was due to samelian grabbing a buggy Qt patch Anixx-suse samelian: yes kb9vqf-offsite The other I have not even looked at Anixx-suse samelian: but now I am talking about incorrect version reporting by the patched Qt3 kb9vqf-offsite Ohhh kb9vqf-offsite Well, we do need to fix that Anixx-suse samelian: a fixing patch was made by Darrell kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Can you regenerate the patch file to bump the Qt version kb9vqf-offsite Or add it to the Wiki then? samelian sure kb9vqf-offsite It might be a good idea to just add it to the patch file here http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3 kb9vqf-offsite To eliminate confusion Anixx-suse diff -ur qt3.orig/qt-x11-free-3.3.8-b/include/qobject.h qt3.new/qt-x11-free-3.3.8-b/include/qobject.h Anixx-suse --- qt3.orig/qt-x11-free-3.3.8-b/include/qobject.h2008-01-15 13:09:13.000000000 -0600 Anixx-suse +++ qt3.new/qt-x11-free-3.3.8-b/include/qobject.h2011-01-01 18:33:19.715656496 -0600 Anixx-suse @@ -101,8 +101,11 @@ Anixx-suse Anixx-suse QObject *child( const char *objName, const char *inheritsClass = 0, bool recursiveSearch = TRUE ); //### const in 4.0 Anixx-suse const QObjectList *children() const { return childObjects; } *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R Anixx-suse: pastie.org might be a better solution ;) Piki Anixx-suse, pastebin helps with flooding ;-) kb9vqf-offsite t bottu won't let you flood ;-) Piki put the flood in a bin, helps make the cleanup cheaper lol kb9vqf-offsite OK, I have to go Piki i know, my jokes are a bit cheesy kb9vqf-offsite It's not you ;-) Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: try to stop in later :) Anixx-suse http://goo.gl/JIsrg kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Send an Email to the list once you have the kdebase Xaccess stuff straightened out please samelian ok kb9vqf-offsite I'll initate a rebuild if it is done before I go to bed tonight :-) kb9vqf-offsite Xu_R: Tomorrow Xu_R ok kb9vqf-offsite Feel free to pester me about the Etherpad then too :) kb9vqf-offsite thanks all! Xu_R Anixx-suse: this is the same exact one as on the wiki - samelian will need to generate a new patch samelian kb9vqf-offsite: I will made qt patch usable with path -p0, ok? Xu_R kb9vqf-offsite: take care kb9vqf-offsite samelian: sure samelian ok *kb9vqf-offsite actually gets off now Xu_R i've got to head of to dinner, be back in a bit. just ping me annoyingly in about 30 minutes :) Anixx-suse hmm it says Only garbage was found in the patch input. samelian Anixx-suse: where is Darrel's patch? Anixx-suse what should I do? Anixx-suse samelian: I thought it is. He talked about it on the mailing list samelian aha samelian ok, I found the place for VERSION MutantTurkey Xu_R|Away: you don't need to set |Away and frankly i find it annoying :p Anixx-suse samelian: sergey, I cannot use your patch: it says it cantains only garbage samelian for sure, I was made it from svn sources samelian I think you must to adapt lines Anixx-suse samelian: I did Anixx-suse samelian: but it says not that hunks failed samelian strange Anixx-suse samelian: it just does not recognize it as a patch samelian hang on, I will try to made a patch for kde 3.5.10 Anixx-suse samelian: i can myself... Anixx-suse samelian: but what option should I use with the diff? Anixx-suse samelian: diff -u? samelian diff -u -r samelian against kdelibs Anixx-suse samelian: i forgot... and now already a hour is searching internet samelian hehe, next time just ask :) Anixx-suse samelian: thanks samelian welcom Anixx-suse samelian: wait it does not create the line with Index Anixx-suse samelian: what should I do to have it? Anixx-suse samelian: i did so about a week ago samelian i'm not sure, I think that patch will understand it anyway Anixx-suse samelian: but cannot recall Anixx-suse samelian: i'll try... samelian ok Anixx-suse samelian: by the way, the patch for Qt3 did not work in OBS last time samelian which one? Anixx-suse samelian: Robert had to upload an already patched tarbal Anixx-suse samelian: for Qt3 Anixx-suse samelian: the patch program in OBS also said it is incorrect Anixx-suse we tried to patch qt3 3.3.8b with your patch samelian you have it already? :) samelian I just sent it to Tim Anixx-suse samelian: the new patch Anixx-suse samelian: last time we applied the previous patch samelian I'm not sure that is mine samelian hang on Anixx-suse not yours, but from trinity wiki samelian I created another one, but seems that I have no rights to upload it to wiki samelian hang om Anixx-suse samelian: patch program in suse is especially strict: something you can patch on 11.3 you can't on 11.4 Anixx-suse samelian: again failed Anixx-suse samelian: although I made the diff by hand samelian show me the error Anixx-suse samelian: by the diff programm Anixx-suse samelian: impossible Anixx-suse samelian: it is in OBS build samelian ah, you using build system MutantTurkey samelian: I am having a problem samelian hit me MutantTurkey I use check_include_file("X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h") which is in /usr/include samelian Anixx-suse: compare an suse patch with yours MutantTurkey but it doesn't find it. MutantTurkey don't know why it doesnt samelian show me CMakeError.log Anixx-suse samelian: i do, i do not see any changes. Anixx-suse samelian: differences samelian paste it somewhere, I will look too samelian maybe you miss something Anixx-suse http://paste.org.ru/?exp1qs MutantTurkey ok: http://ix.io/1y4 MutantTurkey here is configure checks: http://ix.io/1y5 samelian Anixx-suse: paste.org.ru seems down MutantTurkey samelian: it is up. MutantTurkey just checked :) Anixx-suse samelian: for me works well samelian my browser show me "waiting for paste.org.ru" Anixx-suse http://goo.gl/S7p6V *cfaust has left #trinity-desktop samelian Anixx-suse: seems ok, to me, just missing a top header samelian like samelian diff -u -r qt-x11-free-3.3.8b.orig/include/qobject.h qt-x11-free-3.3.8b/include/qobject.h samelian but i'm not sure if is important Anixx-suse samelian: how to make with that header? samelian is created automatically by diff Anixx-suse samelian: no samelian you create the patch by hand? Anixx-suse samelian: by diff command Anixx-suse samelian: diff -u-r Anixx-suse samelian: oh seems now wors. instead of copy-pasting diff output from console, I redirected it to the file samelian wait, you run diff inside kdelibs? Anixx-suse samelian: no. i just add the paths later Anixx-suse samelian: seems this time worked samelian aha Anixx-suse samelian: may be because of missing or extra line in the end of the file Anixx-suse samelian: or space samelian possible samelian MutantTurkey: i'm not sure if it's ok, but try this: http://paste.lug.ro/131054 *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse samelian: we added qt3 patch from Trinity to our KDE3 so that the both were binary-compatibe and Trinity not to require a separate Qt3 Anixx-suse samelian: I hope the patch from Trinity will be compatible with conventional KDE? samelian as far I know, this patch to no broke backward compatibility samelian but to be sure, ask Tim, he knows better Anixx-suse samelian: there is one small program which I did not package yet. it seems it will be easier to include it in trinity because there are no specs etc Anixx-suse samelian: just a source tarball Anixx-suse samelian: it's snmpbrowser samelian I will look for it samelian you have a link? samelian nevermind, I found it Anixx-suse samelian: http://arxiv.hotbox.ru/misc/snmpbrowser-0.5.tar.gz samelian yes, I found it on sf.net Anixx-suse samelian: just uploaded to an archive samelian I will commit it to svn when I will make a cmake for it Anixx-suse ok. if it cannot be buit, just forget samelian I think can be fixed, if is not buildable *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R wb samelian samelian ? Xu_R welcome back samelian? you did d/c for like 5 minutes samelian aa :) samelian I stay too long on battery, and kpowersave was too zealous :) *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse sergei are you here? Anixx-suse I have just tested the patch Anixx-suse it does not crash Anixx-suse but does not load the icons either samelian i see Anixx-suse when choosing a theme which had problems previously samelian seems that png icons are not found Anixx-suse it just shows the icons from the previous selected theme samelian this not happens on older distro? Anixx-suse thus if i select Crystal-SUSE after DarkGlass, it shows Crystal-SUSE previews as DarkGlass Anixx-suse no Anixx-suse in 11.3 worked well Anixx-suse showed all these icons samelian this happens as root as well? Anixx-suse yes Anixx-suse possibly it cannot find the icon files? samelian maybe, or index.theme Anixx-suse hmm samelian on new distro themes are installed in exactly same way like on old one? Anixx-suse yes Anixx-suse the problem is not only with system-wide themes Anixx-suse but also with some of those which included in KDE, i.e. installed in /opt/kde3 samelian try to run kbuildsycoca Anixx-suse does not change anything samelian the problem happens only on kcontrol? or you have no icons if you choose DarkGlass? Anixx-suse With DarkGlass there is no problem at all Anixx-suse as well as KDE Classic and Crystal SVG samelian it happend only with Crystal-SUSE? Anixx-suse The problem is with Crystal SUSE, for example. Anixx-suse samelian: no samelian but? Anixx-suse samelian: also with all Gnome themes Anixx-suse samelian: such as blucurve Anixx-suse samelian: with KDE4 themes (Oxygen) Anixx-suse samelian: With Oxygen-kde3 there was no problem samelian hmm, something are different on there themes samelian these* Anixx-suse samelian: with dropline-neu samelian pls give me an arhive with Crystal-SUSE samelian I will try to reproduce the bug Anixx-suse samelian: with high contrast also Anixx-suse samelian: now some of the themes which previously led to crash Anixx-suse samelian: show normal previes samelian interesting Anixx-suse samelian: and not distinguishable from those which were ok always Anixx-suse samelian: but 3 of the themes now do not show their previews: High Contrast, High Contrast Inverse and Crystal SUSE Anixx-suse samelian: some themes show one icon OK but other two (of the three on the preview) is not shown Anixx-suse samelian: i.e. shown from a previously selected theme samelian kcontrol module looking for exec.png, folder.png and txt.png samelian check if problematic sets of icons have these files Anixx-suse samelian: only a very small part of the themes heve Anixx-suse samelian: previously the icons in such case would be shown from the default theme (Crystal SVG) Anixx-suse samelian: themes inherit each other. Anixx-suse samelian: which theme inherits a theme in written in its config file samelian actually I think that when kcontrol do not found an icon, leave untouched previous icon Anixx-suse samelian: so it does now Anixx-suse samelian: but on 11.3 it showed an icon from the default theme Anixx-suse samelian: i.e. Crystal SVG samelian maybe because config for icons set was written well? *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse samelian: it did not change samelian i need one archive with a problematic theme, to check if it happens on my machine Anixx-suse samelian: ok Anixx-suse samelian: wait Anixx-suse http://arxiv.hotbox.ru/misc/crystalsuse.tar.gz Anixx-suse samelian: now after your patch it can be choosen and actually works samelian hehe Anixx-suse samelian: only previews in kcontrol do not *scrat has joined #trinity-desktop samelian yes, is happens on my machine too samelian this is good samelian I will be able to fix it Anixx-suse samelian: crash? samelian no, just not showing preview Anixx-suse samelian: why no crash then? samelian i do not remember if ai patched my kcontrol as well Anixx-suse ok samelian you can give me crystal-suse from older distro? Anixx-suse samelian: it was the same Anixx-suse samelian: built from the same source samelian aha, ok then Anixx-suse samelian: also in the old distro all Gnome themes worked Anixx-suse samelian: and high-contrast as well samelian on older distro is the same kde3, not patched in any way to address this bug, right? Anixx-suse samelian: yes. the same source samelian ok samelian seems that is not working inheritance Anixx-suse yes Anixx-suse but when the theme choosen it inherits from Crystal SVG Anixx-suse note also that kde themes are installed in /opt/kde3/share/icons, but Gnome and GTK themes are in /usr/share/icons Anixx-suse samelian: possible before calling this function there should be a check whether such icon exist or not and if not, then inherit it. That's why in this function there is no check if the file exists: one should not be here if there is no such file samelian KIconTheme should search automatically for inheritance samelian for a reason, it didn't samelian ok, seems deep burried :) Anixx-suse samelian: ) samelian I will try to dig deeper these days Anixx-suse samelian: ok samelian at least is not crashing anymore Anixx-suse samelian: yes. samelian there is 3:00 AM, time to sleep samelian gn all Anixx-suse samelian: but some people also reported crashes in other kcontrol modules on 11.4 Anixx-suse samelian: ok gn samelian hmm, which one? samelian make a list and send it on maillist, we will try to fix it samelian where is possible, a backtrace would be helpful samelian to identify the origin of problem Anixx-suse samelian: i do not know, but they had crashes in kcontrol even with non-problematic theme selected in icons module (icons module separately worked well for them with this theme) Anixx-suse samelian: i will try to ask Anixx-suse samelian: good night, sergei *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Anastasia has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *scrat has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse hi people Anixx-suse sergei are you here? *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian Anixx-suse: now i'm here Anixx-suse samelian: hello Anixx-suse samelian: I wanted to ask you about NM but now I found what I was looking for samelian aha, ok samelian you found any other patch? Anixx-suse samelian: i had the patches already yesterday but was lookin for the tarbal Anixx-suse samelian: the patches did not work with our NM 0.7 version samelian is related to UUID? Anixx-suse samelian: yes I wanted to add your patches *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse samelian: one guy in the out mailing list asked for your patches for compatibility with 0.8 to be integrated Anixx-suse samelian: don't you want to join our kde3 mailing list? samelian Anixx-suse: I think would be good ideea Anixx-suse samelian: send a message to opensuse-kde3+subscribe@opensuse.org samelian ok, thx samelian ok, i'm in Anixx-suse samelian: here is the archive: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde3/ samelian BTW, I working on a replacement for kio_sftp, based on libssh2 Anixx-suse samelian: if it would be applicable to the vanilla KDE3 we would integrate it samelian you need just to replace TQSomething with QSomething and should be ok Anixx-suse samelian: once done, point me to the patch please samelian sure *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: I am having weird problem, xf86gammacfg can't seem to find sstream.h samelian show me MutantTurkey wait hold on. MutantTurkey I see the problem MutantTurkey I need to do a check for HAVE_SSTREAM or else it fails. MutantTurkey let me add that to configurechecks and get back to you. MutantTurkey if it is defined in the code like ifdef# HAVE_SSTREAM blah blah do i just make a cmake variable that has HAVE_SSTREAM? *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey but with configure checks I cannot find it *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey here is configure checks : http://ix.io/1yc *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Piki Anixx-suse, bad connection? Anixx-suse no Anixx-suse just setting up kvirc MutantTurkey i have always found kvirc to be a bit to much for me Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: which client do you use? MutantTurkey pidgin on a desktop, or irssi on console Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: pidgin is gtk-based MutantTurkey granted I only use pidgin because it has AIM, Gtalk, XMPP, facebook, and irc. MutantTurkey Anixx-suse: I am not biased against gtk or qt MutantTurkey If it offers excellent functionality i use it. Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: i just want to have uniform interfce. in kde3 i use qt3 apps in gnome gtk apps MutantTurkey :) there are many ways to do that. MutantTurkey many themes and such Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: themes do not do it well. also icon themes, desktop folder paths etc Anixx-suse also there is ksirc MutantTurkey I agree. MutantTurkey I am definitely more used to using gtk apps, I developed a few a while back and use xfce on one of my desktops MutantTurkey I do think qt is cleaner code, but I also don't like how it looks as much. infact i think gtk and qt look really bloated and take up to much damn space, no matter how many themes i try *anixx has joined #trinity-desktop Piki MutantTurkey, kopete offers all of those protocols, you can connect facebook and gtalk via xmpp/jabber, though irc was removed from kde4, and i don't know if tde has updated kopete's xmpp, that'll be the only problem with facebook anixx this is ksirc Anixx-suse this is kvirc Piki personally i like konversationg for irc MutantTurkey Piki: you've mentioned that before Piki konversation? MutantTurkey kotope MutantTurkey kopete' Piki oh, i did? MutantTurkey I think so MutantTurkey I am unsure if i can make the meeting on wednesday D: Anixx-suse yes there is also konversation Anixx-suse 3 clients MutantTurkey ah Anixx-suse for irc for kde3 Anixx-suse but for dc++ we have only one client Piki MutantTurkey, if it's not tuesday or wednesday, i can't make it MutantTurkey It is tuesday i think Piki i think samelian said the meeting was 2am his time zone MutantTurkey I will just be late unfortunately MutantTurkey Piki: thats what happens when people live all over the world Piki we have to live all over the world MutantTurkey That is the nature of things Piki there's no one continent that can hold nearly 7billion people *anixx_ has joined #trinity-desktop anixx_ this is konversation Piki MutantTurkey, the meeting was changed to tomorrow MutantTurkey ok that is good Piki same time, 7pm EST Piki 11PM UTC samelian MutantTurkey: you need CHECK_INCLUDE_FILE_CXX for sstream, because sstream is designed for c++ MutantTurkey sstream is c++ :P MutantTurkey ok thanks *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Piki never thought i'd say this, but too much time and not enough to do... Anixx-suse samelian: sergei, is the Qt3 patch ready? Xu_R|School Piki: hmm... start making spec files for Ark Linux? it's probably a good idea, you can get to testing them with mock as soon as your comp is up? Xu_R|School damn. I can't pester tim, he's not here atm. I need to pester him as much as I can about etherpad samelian Anixx-suse: yes Anixx-suse samelian: is there a link somewhere? Piki Xu_R|Away, we do have the meeting tomorrow, he'll probably be on early, so you can pester him tomorrow if you don't see him today :-) Piki just as long as it's up for the meeting Xu_R|School Piki: no, I want to pester him now - I need to have the accounts set up by tommorrow :P Anixx-suse Xu_R|School: Robert will you submit the patched Qt3? Anixx-suse Xu_R|School: or I will remove the patch completely as it causes faults Xu_R|School Anixx-suse: I haven't gotten a patch from samelian... :-\ Piki Xu_R|Away, yeah, would definitely make things easier doing it today, but if he's on early enough i'm sure it can be done samelian Xu_R|Away: search it on wiki Xu_R|School ok. I'll submit an sr tonight, when I get home. Anixx-suse ok Anixx-suse samelian: is there any news with icons issue? Xu_R|School ok, reading over the logs: samelian, MutantTurkey, the meeting is tomorrow, not today. Anixx-suse samelian: i think if we could not resolve it we at least should have the problematic icons not shown at all or with a special error icon rather than as an icon from the previously selected theme Xu_R|School samelian: is the patch level 0 or the same as before? samelian level 0 Xu_R|School ok Xu_R|School ok, bbiab. if anyone sees kb9vqf tell him that I'm pestering him xD Piki !seen kb9vqf-offsite tbottu kb9vqf-offsite was last seen 19 hours, 48 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying '* kb9vqf-offsite actually gets off now' in #trinity-desktop. Piki !seen kb9vqf tbottu kb9vqf was last seen 4 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying '* kb9vqf needs to shut this workstation down, see you all tomorrow' in #trinity-desktop. Piki now we know which to watch out for :-) *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Z_God Z_God Piki: hi Piki samelian, get ready for cmake questions overload :-) going to take Xu_R|Away's advice and start preparing my specs for my packages, already working on my directory structure while i wait for svn samelian hehe, ok Piki >.< stupid live cd, can't fit the whole svn, gonna have to do it little at a time Piki samelian, i'll need tqt first, right? (after the qt patch, of course, i'll do that when i have my hard disk) samelian yes Piki what would be a suitable version number to put for tqt? 0.1 or something like that? samelian not sure, it's Tim's baby :) Piki it will do quite a bit of crying when it finds out we don't know how old it is :-P *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop Piki samelian, you said to look in CMakeLists.txt for replacements of ./configure options? any particular section? samelian actually cmake is not automake :) Piki i know samelian open main CMakeLists.txt samelian and check for option() commands Piki i'm used to using options such as "./configure --prefix=/something --with-something=yes" Piki but i don't know what options to use with cmake samelian cmake /path/to/source -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=something -DWITH_SOMETHING=ON samelian do not forget to use out of source Piki yes Piki i'm not building now, i want to have my build scripts for rpm ready Piki i need my hard disk first, no money until thursday samelian hehe, disks are not so expensive :) Piki but they still cost money samelian actually I think in US is much chaper than there Piki i've literally no money samelian move to romania :) Piki i've only a few pennies (a penny is the smallest unit of our currency, and nothing is cheap enough to pay with entirely with pennies) samelian aha samelian but you have a job, if I correctly understood Piki yes Piki and i get payed on thursday samelian aha Piki paid* Piki i get paid every two weeks on thursday samelian yeah, is hard to live without money, I remember this dark times ;) Piki i have to pay my phone bill and order a new hard disk and order a new keyboard, i lost some of my laptop keys cleaning the keyboard, i'm using a desktop PS/2 keyboard with usb adapter Piki phone and hard disk are first samelian bleah, I have no phone samelian actually I have, but prepay samelian and I never prepay it :) samelian I just don't need the phone Piki we require phones here samelian I use instant messaging for everything Piki so the job can call us, so we can call police, and almost nobody talks with voice, most everybody uses text messaging on their phones even though their phones can let them talk with their voices samelian hehe Piki i hate text messaging, even with a phone keyboard it takes too long to type, and people shorten everything, i feel like i'm trying to interpret md5sums samelian in our country is so cheap to talk on mobile, my wife literally spend hours to talk with her friends Piki but i don't know of any cheap cell phone providers in my area that do NOT have text messaging Piki i get mad at people for texting me samelian haha samelian my sms is set to be silent samelian I receive just spam on sms Piki all of our phones play music too, i could almost jump mount everest when someone's phone suddenly plays heavy metal Piki i prefer the ringing noise our old land phones used to make Piki samelian, i get spam too Piki and calls asking for people i've never heard of samelian haha samelian or to buy something you don't need Piki i've had my phone number a long time, but i still get people asking for someone else, and i don't understand the name they're asking for samelian my land phone are disconnected from line for this reason :) Piki our cell phones don't normally get telemarketers over here, mostly land phones samelian I hate cheap telephony :) samelian I keep land line just for ADSL Piki samelian, you guys need an opt-in "do not call" list for the telemarketers :-) samelian hehe, I think there is no amavis for voice :) Piki amavis? not familiar with it samelian email antispam engine Piki ah Piki in the usa, some areas have a do not call list, telemarketers have to check them every 30 days, any number listed is off-limits Piki people can add themselves to the do not call list at their options samelian nice Piki but each entry expires after awhile Piki so then we have to opt back in samelian these days we are flooded by spam from everywhere :) *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi cfaust cfaust hello *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-15T20:14:36Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> Piki >.< Piki hmm, can't figure out how to make rpm build out of source Piki we retrieve our source from a tarball anyway, so i can always setup my buildsystem to make tarballs from svn for whatever's being built Piki so if i contaminate, svn will still be clean Piki i should lookup how to make rpm do out of source though samelian Piki: mkdir /tmp/build && cd /tmp/build && cmake /path/to/sources Piki samelian, i'm preparing my rpm build scripts samelian ah, ok Piki i don't know how to write the spec to do that samelian ask Robert, maybe he knows Piki yes, i'll ask him later if i can't find it samelian or Anixx-suse Piki samelian, cmake replaces only ./configure, right? as in, i have to do "cmake /path/to/source && make"? *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop samelian yes Anixx-suse samelian: I commit this variant of kdelibs? seems this issue is not going to be improved soon, right? samelian i think no, I busy with other things samelian please fill a buf samelian bug samelian we will try to kill it later Anixx-suse samelian: asking because each commit triggers massive rebuild Anixx-suse samelian: ok Anixx-suse samelian: what is KDE_MULTIHEAD env variable? does KDE3 use it? *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop samelian i'm not sure Piki Anixx-suse, taking a complete guess, i'm thinking it might be related to using multiple monitors, people tend to use the slang "dual head" when using two monitors samelian seems that is used samelian TQCString multiHead = getenv("KDE_MULTIHEAD"); samelian if (multiHead.lower() == "true") { samelian // if multihead is enabled, we save our -display argument so that samelian // we are restored onto the correct head... one problem with this samelian // is that the display is hard coded, which means we cannot restore samelian // to a different display (ie. if we are in a university lab and try, Anixx-suse Piki: I don't think so samelian // try to restore a multihead session, our apps could be started on samelian // someone else's display instead of our own) Anixx-suse Piki: oh seems you are right Piki samelian, you can use pastebin, pasting a lot of lines can get you flooded samelian hehe Anixx-suse just spotted that is is set to false in OpenSUSE Piki i remember tim saying that tbottu doesn't allow it, he may have tbottu limit the channel more than freenode does Piki samelian, not sure if you have a pastebin.ro or something, but there are a lot out there, the two most popular seem pastebin.com and pastie.org samelian don't worry, i know samelian paste.lug.ro samelian is maintained by romanian linux user group samelian I was just to lazy to use it this time :) Piki ah Piki i don't know if any of the usa lugs have a pastebin, probably not, they are small, not enough linux users :-( samelian haha Piki considering developing countries are more likely to choose linux over M$ or apple, we may need to change :-_ Piki :-) *scrat has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi scrat *samelian listen '90 eurodance :) *Piki listens to Yanni, the greatest of world-renowned artists :-) samelian ah, greek artist, very nice Piki yep Piki americanized greek music, moved to usa for college, grew up in greece Piki he takes his sounds from different parts of the world, different genres, and different ages and combines them in a unique and honest way, that's what makes it great *samelian likes and is listening "Keys To Imagination" :) Piki :-) samelian I must to go to Greece sometime Piki my favorite is somewhere among Play Time, Rainmaker, and For All Seasons samelian my boss is Greek actually Piki but i really like all of it Piki samelian, i hear they have yanni on the billboards there Piki i wish i could go, just to experience the culture, i don't really care for site seeing samelian I has a greek roommate, when I was in Ukraine for two weeks samelian really nice people samelian I spent hours to talking with him about greek mythology samelian with a lot beer and wine, of course :) Piki first time svn asked me to set a variable for my editor Piki samelian, i don't drink alcohol, even though i'm of legal age, don't approve of it :-) samelian hehe, from time to time is nice to be drunk :) samelian anti-stress cure :) Piki i prefer to keep a clear head so i can think :-) don't want to get drunk and wake up wandering why i'm in jail samelian haha Piki yeah, waking up in jail would make the stress worse samelian I think there the police is not so strict as in USA samelian here is Eastern Europe :) samelian kind of jungle Piki alcohol wears off after awhile and is rumored to kill brain cells Piki samelian, everything seems more strict in usa :-( samelian this wonder me pretty much Piki well, some things are more strict while other things people don't really care for Piki prostitution is illegal, but it seems we don't enforce that law very well samelian here either Piki but if we're caught driving drunk, we go directly to jail samelian yes, driving drunk is very danger, here is not jail for this, but he retain driving licence samelian for 3 month or so Piki not sure what we do about the driver's license, but we are required to stay in jail until we are sober Piki if we are pulled over for something serious, we also go to court samelian this good actually, the car is very dangerous device Piki yes Piki i don't drive, never got my license Piki i walk if i can, or take public bus samelian aha, i got my own driving licence two year ago, I'm beginer :) Piki i've been of legal driving age for 7 years, but different states have different ages Piki south of here one of the states is 14 samelian here we must have 18+ Piki i wouldn't trust a driving 14yo driver samelian hehe Piki samelian, i'm for 20 myself, give people will be a bit more mature, though not many mature people, even at 22 :-( samelian for sure samelian I'm 35 old :) Piki i had a teacher at school saying that nobody is old enough to drive, that she drives because she has to samelian seems that i'm oldest on this channel samelian in your state you can drink alchool under 21? samelian US seems pretty strange to me, one country, different laws Piki 21 is the legal drinking ag Piki age Piki samelian, the way we work is that each state can have it's own law as long as it doesn't conflict with federal law samelian aha Piki our system was meant to leave as much power as possible to the states as possible and only have the federal government create laws when necessary Piki kinda wander if that's still true today Piki samelian, actually, we have three levels of law: federal is the highest level, then state, then local (which will be at the municipal level, such as an area covered at the mayor) samelian the governor is sort of state president, right? Piki local can't conflict with state, which can't conflict with federal, but that as much power should be local as possible Piki samelian, sort of, he just makes administrative decisions samelian aha, like our prime minister Piki the way each local area works depends on how the local area is setup, e.g. a township won't have a mayor but a group of administrators, but a major city will have a mayor, then there's the county, then the state, then the federal government Piki samelian, we vote for the governor every couple years Piki as with all of our government officials Piki so no position is guaranteed permanant, only if we decide to keep them there, then they can retire samelian aha, our president is elected by people, but prime minister and his cabinet is elected by Parliament samelian here the President have no decision power Piki most people will say that if you vote, you can complain because you put them in office, but if you vote, you created the problem because you're the one who put them in office, so you don't have a right to complain Piki that's my view samelian hehe Piki samelian, our president has a limited set of administrative power, as with any government position Piki each branch of our government has it's own set of powers, and is meant to keep each other branch in check Piki but that was setup back before we had political parties Piki if one party dominates every branch of our government, the checks and balances fails miserably Piki because they all agree with each other Piki and if each branch is a different party Piki nothing gets done because they can't agree with each other on most issues, so almost nothing gets done because they're all voting against each other samelian yep, democracy is not perfect :) Piki no form of government is Piki they all have major flaws Piki but anarchy is the worst Piki followed by monarchy and dictatorship samelian Japan and UK handle it pretty well, I think Piki democracy is best IMO, it's just what implementation of democracy that the people prefer that determines the flaws present samelian actually in Europe we have a lot countries with constitutional monarchy Piki samelian, constitutional monarchy? what's that? samelian like in UK samelian actually, as far I know Canada and Australia are monarchy as well Piki can i get some advice on the arklinux.org site? i just upgraded drupal, and our old theme is still in development for the current drupal, so i changed it, and it doesn't support the old layout, so i've moved stuff around a bit. it's a bit cleaner and more organized, i just want advice to make sure it will work well Piki so far the feedback is good, but that's from just two people Piki also, if anybody uses drupal, i want to remove the "Read More" link from the first article on the front page, the entire article is there, but i want to keep the read more for the recent news below the first article. so far on drupal,.org, i'm seeing to either change the front page (which i'll try, but i think that might remove the recent news that's there), or a code edit to remove the link from everything on the front page Piki i'll keep searching, but if any drupal users have a suggestion, please let me know Piki Xu_R, tim came on awhile ago and quit right away Piki i think you might have to email him if he's not back soon Xu_R Piki: :( Xu_R oh, he'll be back. hopefully. Xu_R gah... I hate District 2 Orchestra Festival... That took forever to end. Xu_R brb, then need to sr, then... stuff. Xu_R back - now to sr... *dtmaster has joined #trinity-desktop dtmaster hello Piki hi dtmaster Piki dtmaster, we're all a bit busy, we'll be a little slow, but we'll definitely respond :-) dtmaster I'm from germany and my english ist not so good, but i have a problem with build kdelibs from svn with cmake. dtmaster I'm trying it for almost 10 hours and always get the same error. Piki dtmaster, we're good at understanding bad english :-) Xu_R dtmaster: what error? dtmaster http://pastebin.com/fv2vbWn8 dtmaster this error Xu_R dtmaster: what version from SVN is this? dtmaster i have installed qt3 latest and our patch. tqtinterface with cmake and arts are installed without problems. dtmaster i have checked out svn at last night Xu_R dtmaster: can you please post the contents of CMakeError.log to pastebin? dtmaster please moment i can. ^^ dtmaster http://pastebin.com/Gx9vcHXz Xu_R dtmaster: are you building in source mode or out of source? dtmaster this is a good question. dtmaster ^^ dtmaster my linux system is linux from scratch.. (lfs) Xu_R dtmaster: yes, did you create a new, clean directory first? dtmaster yes Xu_R so, did you go to the new, clean directory and run cmake from there? dtmaster source are in /sources/kdelibs an i build in /sources/build dtmaster yes i make so Xu_R dtmaster: ok, did you do this for all your packages? dtmaster i have this make so with tqtinterface and arts Xu_R OK, good, that's good. Can you give me the cmake command you used then? :) dtmaster yes. cmake /sources/kde-pakete/kdelibs -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/trinity -DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON -DWITH_QT3=ON -DQTDIR=/opt/qt -DQT_LIBRARY_DIRS=/opt/qt/lib -DBUILD_ALL=ON Xu_R ok, please wait :) dtmaster ok Xu_R dtmaster: please remove -DBUILD_ALL=ON, that is only for kdebase builds :) dtmaster ok dtmaster i have make the command without -DBUILD_ALL=ON Xu_R :D Xu_R OK, submit request to SuSE done. Now to take care of a few other things :) dtmaster why SuSE ? Xu_R dtmaster: SuSE still maintains KDE3. I'm planning, with the current KDE3 maintainer, to gradually transition to Trinity. dtmaster ah ok.. Xu_R I maintain the Trinity packages for distributions such as Fedora and Mandriva. I also play a role of slowly getting Trinity into BLFS. Xu_R aka, too much! lol. dtmaster can i make qt4 for trinity from svn ? Xu_R dtmaster: At the moment, sadly, no. Qt4 integration is not complete. Xu_R :( dtmaster ok.. but in have without -DBUILD_ALL=ON the same error.. :( dtmaster -in +i Xu_R dtmaster: :( Xu_R dtmaster: hmm... the error is bugging me :-\ Xu_R dtmaster: can I have the cmake arguments for TQtinterface? dtmaster cmake /sources/kde-pakete/tqtinterface -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/qt -DWITH_QT3=ON dtmaster will you see a log from check after cmake comman in kdelibs ? dtmaster *command Xu_R dtmaster: I saw the log, I can probably guess what is happening Xu_R dtmaster: ok, this might need SVN fixing - can you please send a message to trinity-devel? Quickest way to get cmake errors fixed. Xu_R Make sure to include the cmake command and the error logs :) dtmaster to this adress ? trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Xu_R dtmaster: yes, please. Make sure you're subscribed to the list. dtmaster ok.. i make this directly Xu_R dtmaster: thank you :) dtmaster i have send dtmaster oo.. i become a failure notice after send dtmaster Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward this message to trinity-devel-owner@lists.pearsoncomputing.net to get your new address included. (#5.7.2) Xu_R dtmaster: please subscribe to the mailing list Xu_R To subscribe, send an empty Email to trinity-devel-subscribe@lists.pearsoncomputing.net dtmaster ahh ok dtmaster i have send a empty email.. Piki dtmaster, now you'll get an email back. it will tell you how to finish subscribing dtmaster i become a email with confirm.. Xu_R dtmaster: received an email about confirming? just reply with a blank message to it. dtmaster ahhhh... Xu_R dtmaster: got your email message :) dtmaster http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201103 <-- the first with kdelibs ^^ dtmaster cool Xu_R awesome! I'll show the other devs to it who can fix it in SVN :) Xu_R dtmaster: give it about a day :) We have a meeting tomorrow, I can bring it up then. dtmaster Thanks. dtmaster I hope someone can fix. kde4 because I do not like. Xu_R dtmaster: yes, kde4 is not the best work KDE e.V. has ever put out. dtmaster yes. the best kde is kde3.. and gnome i like not so.. Xu_R dtmaster: :) dtmaster and gnome3 is ..beep... ^^ Xu_R dtmaster: oh, yea, that I definitely agree with. gnome 3 is @%#@$% dtmaster rofl Xu_R hehe Xu_R dtmaster: I'd ask the cmake dev right now, but he's CET - he's asleep now :P Piki i've seen people make gnome look extremely close to gnome Xu_R Piki: ... Piki *make kde3 look extremely close to gnome Xu_R Piki: oh. lol. Xu_R I was like, whaaa? Piki lol Piki i've seen people make gnome look exactly like gnome :-P dtmaster my time here is 03:23 am.. ^^ Xu_R dtmaster: oh, you are UTC? Xu_R dtmaster: in that case, this is where you usually go to sleep :P dtmaster no.. i can not sleep. i need to install 3 server for cutomer. Piki Xu_R, do you know how to remove the "Read More" link from a single article in drupal 7? i want to remove it from the first article on arklinux.org (the About Ark Linux article at the top) and have the full article displayed but keep the read more for everything else Xu_R dtmaster: :( Piki i have the full article (copied it to the summary box) Piki dtmaster, :-( Xu_R Piki: you need to create a front page (like, an *actual* front page) Xu_R so, make a basic page Xu_R then put stuff on it Xu_R and then you can make it your front page - and then use blocks to display recent news at the bottom Piki ah, didn't think of blocks Piki don't know how to use them, will have to get the guid Piki guide* Xu_R Piki: remember, blocks are awesome. Xu_R :P Piki my goal is to have the intro article, then display recent news, and move the old ones to an archive list Xu_R Piki: blocks will help you with that. Piki maybe see if bero will move the wordpress blog to our site Xu_R Piki: well, I did suggest that before :P yes, it's good to keep everything in one place :) Piki he started it before we switched to drupal Xu_R Piki: here, for an example, this is the Beta.Lincom website: http://beta.lincomlinux.org/ *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R using drupal 7 :) Piki Xu_R, i was tired when you suggested it, and i'm not exactly the ark linux administrator, just the webmaster :-) Xu_R Anixx-suse: sr request 64225 Xu_R Piki: lol. Anixx-suse Xu_R: thanks Xu_R Anixx-suse: np dtmaster I like doing it. It is so well paid. Anixx-suse Xu_R: i will rebuild it along kdelib3 Xu_R Anixx-suse: I added the 3.3.8b tarball back, because not many mirrors have it anymore, so it's good to keep a copy just in case. Xu_R dtmaster: :) Xu_R Piki: I talked with bero about 2 weeks ago. He seems really busy with his current job :P but it was nice of him to stop in. Piki he said he was applying for a new job, and if he gets it he'll have more time to devote to ark Piki it's a job doing open source stuff with intel Xu_R Piki: yes, he told me that. Piki i don't have the description with me Xu_R Piki: well, bero will do well with that stuff... Anixx-suse btw it seems the patch Sergei did actually fixes the problem to the point of opensuse 11.3. Xu_R Anixx-suse: Awesome! :D Anixx-suse in fact there is an error in KDE3 Piki Xu_R, of course, he created the only distro to work on my hardware :-) Xu_R Anixx-suse: oh? dtmaster <-- installed server. thx for help. I will still remain here in the channel. Xu_R dtmaster: stop in anytime and chat :) Anixx-suse it does show the icons previews incorrectly if the theme does not include the icons even on 11.3 Anixx-suse Xu_R: i just tested in suse studio on an 11.3 system Xu_R Anixx-suse: ah, so it's not just 11.4. At least we got to the root cause. Anixx-suse Xu_R: this seems not to be solved so far Xu_R Anixx-suse: progress is slow, but steady :P *Viper550 has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse Xu_R: yes. the crash was simply due to a change in zlib: in 11.4 it crashes when receives null-string. Sergei added the check and so there is no crash now Viper550 Are there any plans to give Trinity more of an identity beyond KDE 3.5's default look? Xu_R Anixx-suse: :D Anixx-suse Xu_R: but the icon previw still displayed incorrectly showing sometimes random icons if the theme does not have ones Piki hi Viper550 Xu_R Viper550: hey dude! long time no see. yes, sooner or later. :P Viper550 Xu_R, Where were you from? Anixx-suse Xu_R: this is also on 11.3 Xu_R Viper550: used to be on #arklinux for a time. I lurk too much ;) Anixx-suse it either should use theme inheritance or display a thumb icon when the icon does not exist in the theme Xu_R Anixx-suse: so, KDE3 needs to be modded to do that... Well, this will help both the repository and Trinity improve :) Viper550 like, our own default/such Xu_R Viper550: we're already porting to Qt4 - probably make a Trinity theme when we get there. in the meantime, the defaults are still fine... Anixx-suse Xu_R: yes. the creators simply did not account a possibility that an icon theme may not include the three basic icons used for previews Piki Viper550, we are trying to get setup with weekly meetings (we have one scheduled tomorrow), i'm sure we'll discuss theming in one of our meetings, i don't think it's on tomorrow's agenda though Xu_R Piki: it's probably not going to be weekly, more like monthly. Piki mainly cmake porting and bug squashing Xu_R Anixx-suse: ~sigh~ sloppy. Piki Xu_R, yeah, availability will probably be too scattered Piki Xu_R, it's getting late, nearly 2300, not sure tim's time zone but he may not be on tonight (unless he goes to bed late) Xu_R Piki: tim is CST Xu_R Anixx-suse: it's not a violation of SuSE policy to keep the 3.3.8b tarball in there just in case... right? Xu_R just wondering, it crossed my mine for a second. Xu_R *mind Anixx-suse Xu_R: contrary, it is just the desired practice Xu_R Anixx-suse: oh. Awesome. That's good. Anixx-suse Xu_R: they even do not have a kdebase (and kdelibs) 3.5.10 tarballs, just tarballs from the previous version and a diff Xu_R Anixx-suse: wow. Anixx-suse Xu_R: i was wrong they have Xu_R Anixx-suse: oh. Anixx-suse Xu_R: but I saw this practice somewhere in kde3 Xu_R hmm... sounds like Mandriva would do that... Anixx-suse Xu_R: it seems that the change only changes the version number Anixx-suse Xu_R: what about the other changes by Sergei Anixx-suse ? Xu_R Anixx-suse: yes, that's the only change... Xu_R that was the only one he made... Anixx-suse Xu_R: he said he fixed some crashes Xu_R Anixx-suse: in kde, not qt3? Anixx-suse Xu_R: in the qt3 patch Anixx-suse Xu_R: and also you should not include the both tarballs Xu_R Anixx-suse: I just took the latest one from the wiki :-\ Anixx-suse Xu_R: the bast would include only 3.3.8b + a patch Anixx-suse Xu_R: in that case I will not accept the change. it is too minor for a week-long rebuild Xu_R Anixx-suse: ok - but when samelian comes on you need to ask for him to put his latest qt3 work into a new patch. Anixx-suse Xu_R: indeed Anixx-suse Xu_R: and also it would be better if you include only 3.3.8b tarball and a patch Anixx-suse Xu_R: if the patch from the wiki does not work, use diff utility Xu_R Anixx-suse: ok. *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-16T03:30:05Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf Hi guys kb9vqf Not much time tonight but wanted to show you this Xu_R kb9vqf: heyo - looks like you got your comp up. show us...? kb9vqf http://imagebin.org/143288 kb9vqf That's with Qt4 :) Xu_R kb9vqf: :D Xu_R YAYYYYYYY kb9vqf Looks familiar, no? Xu_R kb9vqf: tremendously :) *kb9vqf is thinking of slapping together a Debian package for TQt Xu_R great job, kb9vqf! kb9vqf Thanks Xu_R ah, good idea. if you put a tqt for qt4 package together, then we can start testing on it :D kb9vqf Still very rough around the edges kb9vqf I'd want some people to help fix it ;-) Xu_R pfft - blemishes :P Xu_R hehe kb9vqf At least tracing the cause of problems would help kb9vqf That's eating most of my time kb9vqf If someone can say "this line of Trinity code triggers this TQt bug" things would go much faster Xu_R True. kb9vqf But hey, wasn't this supposed to be impossible according to KDE4? ;0) Xu_R hehe, yup Xu_R you've brought shame to the KDE4 developers :P kb9vqf Well, maybe kb9vqf Time will tell :) Xu_R hehe kb9vqf Seen TokRa lately? Xu_R kb9vqf: oh, and now to pester: etherpad? :O kb9vqf !seen TokRa tbottu tokra was last seen 33 hours, 25 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying ':)' in #trinity-desktop. Xu_R !seen TokRa tbottu tokra was last seen 33 hours, 25 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying ':)' in #trinity-desktop. kb9vqf I just did that *kb9vqf didn't remember Xu_R lol. same thought :P kb9vqf t bottu is earning his keep it seems Xu_R I know he was idling here yesterday though Xu_R kb9vqf: yes. yes he is. kb9vqf So meeting is tomorrow night? kb9vqf !seen samelian tbottu samelian was last seen 5 hours, 21 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying 'actually, as far I know Canada and Australia are monarchy as well' in #trinity-desktop. Xu_R kb9vqf: that is correct. hey, etherpadddddddd? kb9vqf Yeah, I heard you the first time..... Xu_R hehe. :P kb9vqf I was having trouble pulling the Debian packages from their mirror *kb9vqf goes to try again kb9vqf Xu_R: etherpad.org? Xu_R kb9vqf: yes kb9vqf Not responding here kb9vqf Does it work for you? Xu_R I know, their website is down :( kb9vqf Ohhh, great :( *kb9vqf goes to check the mirror repo kb9vqf Xu_R: I don't have the files kb9vqf Any of them :( kb9vqf Looks like their site went down before I could grab them Xu_R :( kb9vqf Xu_R: Ummm...stupid question...they are not located in Japan, are they? Xu_R kb9vqf: LOL, no. kb9vqf ok kb9vqf Just making sure kb9vqf Looks like I can do this kb9vqf https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/563484 *kb9vqf goes to try Xu_R kb9vqf: well, nice to have you back on your own computer :) i'm off to bed. Night! kb9vqf ok kb9vqf see you tomorrow *Xu_R has unlocked #trinity-desktop-meeting ahead for tommorrow's meeting (-i'ed it) Piki the etherpad link in the topic works: http://lincom.ietherpad.com/9 kb9vqf Xu_R: OK, custom Etherpad instance is up kb9vqf http://etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/ kb9vqf Create an account and I'll grant you full access *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *JohnR has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv :: doesn't see a place to create an account with http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org kb9vqf strangelv: Sorry! I have realized that there is no way for users to create new accounts--I have not really used Etherpad before, so I was unaware of the correct procedure kb9vqf Email/poke Xu_R for an account kb9vqf He will need your Email address, so that the account activation Email can be sent *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop dtmaster hi.. i have a question. i can not compile dbus-qt v 0.7 for kdebase and when i installed v 0.9 then cmake error *Strangelv is not the one who could answer this *Strangelv looks around for anyone else who's awake before trying to scan the mascot concept he expects to get panned at the meeting *JohnR looks back - sleepily ... *Strangelv would offer coffee, but isn't a coffee user. He might still have a package of MRE instant coffee from when he was in the Air Force 20 years ago, but he doesn't know where. *JohnR uses coffee, can't find any ratpacks from 40 years ago either *Strangelv actually quit using even mere caffeine. His relationship with it was far too abusive JohnR lol! Strangelv "I'd rather not explain what my withdrawal was like. Let's just say it was a good thing I had two weeks of leave JohnR ahh, bit like my nicotine withdrawals Strangelv "What service were you in? JohnR sloggers :-) Strangelv :: looks up from teh encycropedia he consulted Strangelv "Cricket player? JohnR well yes, but "Foot-sloggers" = infantry Strangelv I've actually not encountered that one. It must have been ertired before I got in. Strangelv 'Grunts' was the term I most often encountered for Army; jarheads for Marines JohnR It's widely used in British military circles :-) Strangelv A few squids I encountered referred to marines as bullet stoppers Strangelv "Noted JohnR Marines? Bullet-stoppers? Nah - "bullet-collection-facilities" :-) Strangelv "Wikipedia hasn't encountered the term either. Someone should write an article there, but I'm not doing anything with my real account anymore. The environment got too hostile for people who disagreed with certian admins for my tastes, especially as teh conventional wisdom there is to belittle a certian medical condition. *Strangelv never did find out what people in his own service (Air Force) were called JohnR Wikipedia hasn't encountered lots of things, but I'm not about to try and rectify that lack either :-) Strangelv What's a user configuration for TDE that might be described with a modification of a Mr Potato Head style mascot? *Strangelv notes with exhaustive references that a lot of people hold viewpoint X about Obama. He's promply banned. Strangelv "The fact that polls show that the majority of voters hold this opinion is unliely to matter. acgtualyl I should check. Maybe the wall has cracked under multiple onslaughts JohnR Menu Editor? JohnR O'blamea? who's she? Strangelv "Okay, it's all been placed off into a 'consperiacy tehories' article so everyone woh believes this can be demeaned JohnR Air Force ground staff - baggies here *Strangelv was a supply puke JohnR definitely a baggie then :-) JohnR maybe even a box-baggie Strangelv :: draws a version wvith tank treads and a gun to presumably represent a security conscious or militay-oriented user, but that's still not quite what he's wanting to convey Strangelv :: suddenly thinks 'flower petals' Strangelv That was easier to draw than expected... need another idea... Strangelv :: looks at the sketches he did yesterday evening. Those are now obsolete ideas... *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse hi Strangelv Hello *Strangelv : <dtmaster> hi.. i have a question. i can not compile dbus-qt v 0.7 for kdebase and when i installed v 0.9 then cmake error dtmaster is solved.. Strangelv yay dtmaster not dbus/connection.h dbus/qtdbusconnection.h dtmaster and then cmake find dbus-qt dtmaster dbus-qt is required. But in ksmserver is said not to be used. why is required? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Strangelv Hello Strangelv :: is making progress with images for his 11th hour presentation, but may fall asleep before working on the presentation itself... then there's the question of will he wake up in time for the meeting... *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Strangelv: haha :p MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: I have church tonight D: Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: ?! MutantTurkey I may be able to skip out though MutantTurkey I help out with my church youth group Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: ah, I see. well, if you can, that would be nice :) MutantTurkey how long do you think it will run? Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: don't know, I'll try to get through quick. :-\ *Strangelv manages to not gorget to end every file with .png; GIMP didn't crash MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: an hour? Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: hopefully a little less. MutantTurkey if it starts at seven I can be back by 8:20ish probably Strangelv "I also have a collision this evening, although as I don't count for quorum my attendance isn't vital. if it wasn't for the TDE meeting I'd sleep through it. it's also online *Strangelv is a former director MutantTurkey so wil you attend or not? Strangelv This evening's meeting -- I plan to. if someone's offering a wakeup call to make sure I woke up that would be appreciated *Strangelv sets his alarm now Xu_R|School remember, the meeting is over at #trinity-desktop-meeting and you can join there now to wait :) Xu_R|School kb9vqf: thanks for setting up etherpad :D MutantTurkey Strangelv: I can call you if you'd like :p Strangelv 940 594 3823 MutantTurkey ok. what time would you like for me to call you? Strangelv Alarm set; see if I sleep through it Strangelv "if I'm missing when the meeting starts Strangelv "well missing is the wrong term MutantTurkey I won't be here until a bit late, Xu_R can you call him? Strangelv I'f I seem to just be lurking still *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv tries to remember where the wiki is and how to put things up on it so he can put up a presentation for people to grumble about *Strangelv needs the grumbles. This is the first iteration even if he's liking it a lot moer than he expected to at this stage *Strangelv really likes the [not telling yet] variant Strangelv Starts at 19:00 Eastern Daylight Time? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey though i think that in meetings from now on we should start earlier Strangelv By any chance do you rememberl the wiki URL? Strangelv http://trinitydesktop.org/wiki Strangelv found MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey also we are using etherpads now to keep current notes MutantTurkey wiki is for long term information, the etherpad is good for what is going on now *Strangelv remembered his password. His username was a problem... Xu_R|School Strangelv: username is firstnamelastname :P Strangelv "This is for a topic no one else is working on AFAIK Xu_R|School kb9vqf: btw, this is not working: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/ep/search very useful if visitors want to search our current work *Strangelv can find no clue for where to go to upload images for the page. He remembers there being more controls earlier Strangelv hmm Xu_R|School hey, for those of you who would like an etherpad account, please send a blank email to robxu9@gmail ASAP. Xu_R|School *robxu9@gmail.com Xu_R|School ping Piki, MutantTurkey, Strangelv, samelian ^^ MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: I can't open my email right now, I will pm you Xu_R|School got MutantTurkey, got samelian MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey samelian: hey, cmake doesn't understand check_include_file_cxx says it is unknown command Xu_R|School got Piki *Strangelv sends a blank email as instructed and goes back to trying to figurle out how to upload 15 images before he falls asleep samelian MutantTurkey: include( CheckIncludeFileCXX ) Strangelv "OR should I create a new pad on Etherpad and put the images there? Xu_R|School got Strangelv samelian I do not like very much all these notices about DMCA and US laws Xu_R|School samelian: :( I copied that right from kb9vqf's notice on etherpad.trinitydesktop.org :-\ samelian i think that all these stuff must be neutral Strangelv Hollywood-dictated copyright stupidity coming to a country near YOU! samelian hehe, I do not want it :) Strangelv "Join the club Xu_R|School ok, I'll take it away from rules :P Xu_R|School but the frontpage notice I can't do anything about. Xu_R|School done *Strangelv notes that what he's wanting to upload would probably apply under trademark law if somehow evenyone liked the idea and no one could come up with changesrequiring nits samelian better :) Xu_R|School :) samelian i'm scaried every time I read about DMCA :) Xu_R|School XD Strangelv "I've been scared about it since I first read about it. 8( Xu_R|School ok, I have to go for now. I'll be back in a bit :) *Strangelv looks for an etherpad password. He finds: "We would like to give colleagues and friends of our loyal readers an opportunity to receive their own complimentary subscription to InformationWeek." Strangelv "wait, here it is Piki we need to get the old etherpad copied over Piki before the meeting later, unless we want to look at the old one MutantTurkey did kb9vqf put up the etherpad on trinitydesktop? Piki yes MutantTurkey does Darrell ever come on the irc? I see him often calling us to make progress, (Which we are actually making) and then saying he is loosing faith D: MutantTurkey Piki: okay cool. url? *Strangelv wvonders if the default settings are the required settings. Strangelv "Hopefully if they're not the same no one will delete the page befole the meeting Piki MutantTurkey, http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org MutantTurkey cool. MutantTurkey I am glad we have the website (trinitydesktop.org) finally MutantTurkey when I joined this project we were not even close to this and now we have a new webpage and all :) Piki MutantTurkey, i see the progress happening all the time, both on irc and the mailing list Piki one thing people need to understand is that development is hard, especially for a small project MutantTurkey well they just think it "happens" and that everyone has so much freetime Piki it's not like we're going to pull of an ubuntu: release before it's ready MutantTurkey i hate ubuntu for that haha MutantTurkey no one needs a releaes every six months MutantTurkey it make s it complicated and crappy Piki MutantTurkey, yes, instant gratification just doesn't work in software Strangelv "It's not justa project with a small team. It's a projkect with a small team picking up from someone erlse's rather large code base Piki just think of how long it took linus to get to 1.0 Strangelv I'd modify that sentiment Strangelv Not everything needs to be updated every six months Strangelv A lot of things will have updated though, and I've been happier with *ubuntu than I was with Debian MutantTurkey Strangelv: yes. good point MutantTurkey Strangelv: archlinux is the best imho. MutantTurkey and debian sid Piki ubuntu doesn't work Piki not at all MutantTurkey with arch, there is no updated version, just upgrades. Piki i've never seen it work MutantTurkey we are rolling release, that way we never break from an updated install, Piki brb, need to plug in MutantTurkey and we are totally cutting edge, typically the day software is released we get it in our repos MutantTurkey or within a few days Strangelv "I've actually been using kubuntu or Tubuntu since 5.04 after I realiszed that Libranet realyl and truly was not coming back MutantTurkey I never even heard of libranet :P Strangelv "I needed a new solution for Debian with a usable installer. That's not quite what I got, and my first install became a mess with Debian and ubuntu packagevsz competing with each other MutantTurkey It cost money? that is ridiculous Strangelv "Libranet was a Canadian Debian based distribution that was very installable. I found it was worth the money to get 2.8.1, whereupon 2.8.1 became frlee about 2-3 months later MutantTurkey ah Strangelv I lacked the money for 3.0 at the time, then the main deverloper died, his son pulled the plug, and 3.0 ceased to be available at any price Strangelv 8( Piki Strangelv, Ark Linux, easy to install and use, and flexible for the veterans :-) we need testers though, our stable is severely outdated and we need something for fosscond Piki we don't do every 6 months either, we generally aim for once a year with minimal hotfixes, so we can keep things stable MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey I prefer no releases :P or like debian, so damned long you'll die before you see the next release MutantTurkey samelian: ok, if in the code there is a #ifdef VARIABLE, how do i define that variable from cmake? MutantTurkey config.h.cmake? Piki i prefer megafrozen releases, with a rolling system there's too much chance to break things once it's stable MutantTurkey Piki: never happens on arch. MutantTurkey everything goes in a testing repo first, for a day or so, if it is critical MutantTurkey like udev, new kernel etc. MutantTurkey I have never had a breakage since i installed it 2 years ago Piki can't really give it a good, thorough testing if it's only a day MutantTurkey Piki: more than a day, but if it is all good (usually is) we let it go into the main repos MutantTurkey but only after they are tested by a few other developers, they have to "sign off" on anything going into our [core] (for critical packages, like kernel, grub etc.) MutantTurkey typically the biggest problems are the library rebuilds, eg when libpng got bumped, they have to rebuild all packages *Strangelv wanted to stick to Debian Testin,g but everything he needed was compiled against Sid, and then when Sarge came out Sid was impressively less than stable samelian MutantTurkey: set( blabla ) in CMakeLists.txt or ConfigureChecks.cmake and #cmakedefine in config.h.cmake Piki MutantTurkey, just because it works for developers doesn't mean it works for users, different people have different setups. it's better to get approval from both users and developers *Strangelv looks for TFMTR for Etherpad and uploads, but he's too fried to search well MutantTurkey Piki: I am a user and a developer :) MutantTurkey thats what arch is. MutantTurkey alot of devels and such. we are an advanced community i would say MutantTurkey typically peoples 2nd or 3rd distro Piki so if i used arch, that'd make me a developer whether i want to be or not? MutantTurkey no :P MutantTurkey but yes at the same time Piki exactly MutantTurkey just by hanging around arch users you get better, learn about stuff MutantTurkey etc. MutantTurkey being in #archlinux has made me 1000 times better at linux Piki people will want to be users and not developers MutantTurkey also archlinux is designed for the simplest approach, so it is easy to understand. Piki those people need to test too MutantTurkey Piki: that is why we don't target end users as much as devlopers MutantTurkey Piki: yes, that is what [testing] is for, like I use testing, if anything breaks i report it MutantTurkey so far nothing has broken for me. Piki i've seen more stuff break on rolling updates and frequent releases like ubuntu than on fully tested megafrozen systems Piki that's why i use ark, stable is well tested, so it works MutantTurkey try arch :) you'll like it. MutantTurkey I asked in #archlinux who we target, barzam: MutantTurkey: people that can read I think Mion: MutantTurkey: anyone with a brain MutantTurkey lol Piki i couldn't get dhcp remember? MutantTurkey " Arch Linux is a versatile, and simple distribution designed to fit the needs of the competent Linux® user." MutantTurkey why not? MutantTurkey that is exceedingly simple Piki apparently not MutantTurkey just setup stuff with iwconfig wlan0 whatever then you just dhcpcd wlan0 :) Piki when i did the netinstall and selected all the networking stuff, dhcpcd and dhclient were nowhere Piki MutantTurkey, i need the firmware for my card before i can use iwconfig MutantTurkey Piki: all included MutantTurkey just modprobe that :) MutantTurkey like i said, you need to be competent linux user Piki i am competent, i did a ls on /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin, no dhcpcd or dhclient Piki and i know for fact i told it to install all of the net stuff Piki so i just couldn't connect Strangelv ::: The EtherPad.com servers have now been shut down, according to the timetable announced previously. Piki all i found were if* stuff Strangelv "so much for finding documentation on the site MutantTurkey lol anyway, same problems with debian and such. netinstall over wifi MutantTurkey Strangelv: i know D: Piki i did the netinstall via ethernet MutantTurkey then no problems? MutantTurkey rule 1) wiki :D rule 2) wiki :D rule 3) google rule 4) wiki rule 5) irc rule 6) mailing list Strangelv archive.org is down Strangelv "or at least is'nt working or is overloaded Piki MutantTurkey, yeah, dhcp was disabled. netinstall connected, but the installed couldn't MutantTurkey weird MutantTurkey well if you try it again ask me MutantTurkey yo. I am going to make a cmake page on the itherpad ok? Piki i think i'll stick to what works. if it ain't broke, don't fix it MutantTurkey Piki: ok :) just putting out the offer *Strangelv finds a YouTube video that says that something should happen when he clicks on the paperclip. Piki Strangelv, ? Strangelv I'm guessing at this point that the feature I need isn't wokring Strangelv "Anyone want an email with 15 PNGs? Strangelv "Or maybe I'll stumble through it whil eth emeeting is in progress... MutantTurkey Piki: for the trinity etherpad we should make it all public-readonly MutantTurkey so that way people can see but not write MutantTurkey Strangelv: just wait till the meeting, for a good place to slap up images? imagebin.org Piki MutantTurkey, i'm not an admin Piki you'd have to ping kb9vqf or Xu_R for that MutantTurkey Piki: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/9 check it :) MutantTurkey got that page up nice MutantTurkey kgamma done :) MutantTurkey samelian: I expect to have kdegraphics done by the end of the week samelian nice MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey what should i work on when i am done this? *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: o/ Xu_R|School heyo MutantTurkey sup? Xu_R|School programming class >_< MutantTurkey nice MutantTurkey samelian:CMAKE file says this kviewparticondir = $(kde_datadir)/kviewerpart/icons MutantTurkey kviewparticon_ICON = AUTO MutantTurkey do i just install all the image files into ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kviewpart/icons? with the install() function? MutantTurkey Strangelv: have you come up with a logo idea? samelian MutantTurkey: tde_install_icons( DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kviewpart/icons ) MutantTurkey ok thanks *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Any progress on the kdebase Xaccess cmake bug? samelian kb9vqf: actually I cannot figure out who generate Xaccess kb9vqf samelian: Hang on MutantTurkey isn't Xaccess typically generated by X? kb9vqf we generate a "default" Xaccess kb9vqf Let me get the command MutantTurkey oh ok kb9vqf samelian: $(PERL) -w $(srcdir)/confproc.pl $(srcdir)/config.def $@ samelian are you sure? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf look in config.def kb9vqf Also see kdebase/kdm/Makefile.am samelian because I use confproc in cmake, but there is no Xaccess in build tree samelian config.ci: $(srcdir)/config.def $(srcdir)/confproc.pl samelian $(PERL) -w $(srcdir)/confproc.pl $(srcdir)/config.def $@ samelian it generate config.ci, not Xaccess kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf I know it has to be related to config.def kb9vqf as that is the only place that Xaccess is mentioned kb9vqf Let me look in an automake-built tree kb9vqf samelian: Hmmm, I do not see that file anywhere kb9vqf I'm puzzled samelian me either :) kb9vqf I wonder if Debian did something sneaky kb9vqf samelian: One more question kb9vqf In Automake I used to do this: --with-kdm-pam=kdm-trinity kb9vqf How can I do that with CMake? samelian hang on MutantTurkey kviewshell done Anixx-suse samelian: hi sergei samelian kb9vqf: I think -DKDM_PAM_SERVICE=kdm-trinity samelian Anixx-suse: hello kb9vqf Oh, OK Anixx-suse samelian: i checked the behavior of kcontrol in 11.3 and it seems that the behavior is exactly the same as after your patch on 11.4 Anixx-suse samelian: so your patch completely restores what we had under previous release samelian is not crashing but, but display wrong? Anixx-suse samelian: the problem was probably with the zlib change: it's new version crashes when receives an empty pointer Anixx-suse samelian: yes samelian Anixx-suse: this is my guess too Anixx-suse samelian: on 11.3 it indeed also displays the previews wrong for those themes which lack the three basic icons kb9vqf samelian: I don't see a KDM_PAM_SERVICE variable in CMake anywhere samelian me neither, wait, I searching for it Anixx-suse samelian: is looked into the code and it seems is just assumes that the files are there samelian yes kb9vqf samelian: I need support for the following old Automake variables: --with-kcp-pam=kcheckpass-trinity --with-kdm-pam=kdm-trinity --with-kss-pam=kscreensaver-trinity --with-usbids=/usr/share/misc/usb.ids kb9vqf :) samelian no problem samelian seems that KDM_PAM_SERVICE is hardwired right now Anixx-suse Anixx-suse: i think a better solution should in a case when the files are absent display a standard "error" icon from the default theme kb9vqf Anixx-suse: Yes kb9vqf In fact we already have one kb9vqf It's a broken page kb9vqf icon samelian for the rest we have: KCHECKPASS_PAM_SERVICE, KSCREENSAVER_PAM_SERVICE and WITH_USBIDS kb9vqf samelian: OK, so KCHECKPASS_PAM_SERVICE=kdm-trinity, etc.? samelian yes kb9vqf Also, can you fix the KDM_PAM_SERVICE hardwiring? samelian yes kb9vqf thanks :) kb9vqf I'm still trying to hunt down Xaccess samelian ok Anixx-suse samelian: also robert submitted the qt3 patch which he got from the wiki but the only difference with the previous patch was the version number constant. I did not accept because it is too minor issue to start a week-long rebuild of anything Qt3-related in OBS samelian yes, this is the same change samelian the only change Anixx-suse samelian: i wonder what is with the other fixes about which you talked that fix the other kcontrol crashes kb9vqf Anixx-suse: Maybe instead of a broken or error icon a default kcontrol-ish icon should be shown, such as contents.png kb9vqf It implies that there is something behind the kcontrol module icon Anixx-suse samelian: or the crashes were due to the vrong version? samelian nope, is not related Anixx-suse kb9vqf: maybe. either default icon or an icon, inherited from a theme to which the selected theme inherits kb9vqf right Anixx-suse samelian: ok Anixx-suse samelian: so we have not a brocken qt3 patch, only reporting a wrong version samelian yes Anixx-suse samelian: ершы шы тще фт гкпуте срфтпу ерут Anixx-suse samelian: this is not an urgent change then samelian actually patched qt is needed only for trinity, for kde 3.5.10 is useless Anixx-suse samelian: yes. but Robert builds Trinity in OBS, and uses qt3 samelian ah, i see samelian ok then samelian the old patch it's ok as well MutantTurkey Anixx-suse: what is your relation to this project? I don't think we've met Anixx-suse samelian: so the patch is there so hem not to build it separately and also for binary compatibility between KDE3 and Trinity samelian yes kb9vqf Hey all, look what a kind supporter Emailed me: http://jehurst.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/remarkable-open-source-project-that-cares/ kb9vqf :) Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: and also for the ability to run Trinity apps on the vanilla openSUSE release if qt3 will not be removed from the next release Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: i am a KDE3 maintainer in openSUSE MutantTurkey oh ok MutantTurkey and you guys are looking to switch to trinity? samelian kb9vqf: KDM_PAM_SERVICE is not hardwired anymore kb9vqf OK samelian i did not check it, I hope it works kb9vqf Thanks kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf I'll yell and scream if it doesn't ;-) samelian haha, sure Anixx-suse MutantTurkey:Robert currently tries to build Trinity in OBS. MutantTurkey OBS? Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: OpenSUSE build service MutantTurkey oh okay. MutantTurkey Anixx-suse: thanks for the info :) now i understand Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: we have KDE3 currently in fully working state Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: so no urgent need for transition to trinity. MutantTurkey Anixx-suse: make sense Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: we also have more KDE3/Qt3 software than in any other KDE3 repository MutantTurkey I see MutantTurkey kb9vqf: made a nice little comment on that post, thanking him basically, telling him how we are hard at work, etc :) kb9vqf Great kb9vqf I also invited him to the mailing lists kb9vqf after thanking him, etc. MutantTurkey good good kb9vqf Xu_R: Are you sure you want the etherpads to be editable by anonymous guests? kb9vqf I can definitely understand read privileges kb9vqf But I am not sure about write Anixx-suse I also heared that kde3 file chooser compatibility was recently repaired in Libre Office. now rebuilding it to test MutantTurkey kb9vqf: no write, just read is a good idea. Xu_R kb9vqf: hm? they're all read-only kb9vqf Noe http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/5 kb9vqf *Nope MutantTurkey also kb9vqf: http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/ do you think we should save this before they drop it? Xu_R oh, oops. Xu_R My bad :P kb9vqf Yes we should kb9vqf I'll mirror it MutantTurkey ok. kb9vqf Although, a lot of what's there is already on the Trinity API page Anixx-suse Xu_R: robert it seems that the version change was the only difference in the patch you see kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I already have a mirror of that MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hmmm ok. MutantTurkey Oh sorry didn't know :p kb9vqf If it goes down I'll throw up my version MutantTurkey my mistake kb9vqf I would be more worried about the docbase stuff kb9vqf How to articles, etc. MutantTurkey right. kb9vqf Link? Xu_R Anixx-suse: should I just resubmit then? Xu_R kb9vqf: actually, PUBLIC and PUBLIC-READONLY is right kb9vqf Are you sure? Xu_R kb9vqf: yea, just tested MutantTurkey ok, does anyone know about kvsprefs.h? kb9vqf Yes, now it is working MutantTurkey if that even exists anymore? kb9vqf It was letting me in before Anixx-suse Xu_R: better make the changes as we discussed: qt-3.3.8b plus a patch rather than qt-3.3.8c source plus qt-3.3.8.b source Xu_R kb9vqf: were you logged in? :P MutantTurkey oh wait nevermind, i am a fool. kb9vqf Xu_R: Nope Xu_R Anixx-suse: ok, will do. kb9vqf Maybe something wasn't commited, who knows Anixx-suse Xu_R: and also add the description of your changes in the changes file Xu_R kb9vqf: yea, it's read-only. you can make a name, you can use the chatbox, but you can't mod the doc Anixx-suse Xu_R: you can make it with osc -m "description" vc commnand Xu_R Anixx-suse: I always do that for official SuSE packages MutantTurkey I mean, not like the public will actually use this? MutantTurkey this is pretty much for just us involved in the project right? Xu_R MutantTurkey: it's good to keep things open however. kb9vqf Yes, open is good MutantTurkey yeah thats my second thought MutantTurkey :) ok cool Anixx-suse Xu_R: qt3 is the official suse package Xu_R Anixx-suse: Yes, I always use osc vc Anixx-suse Xu_R: it is linked from Factory to the kde3 repository Anixx-suse Xu_R: ok Xu_R kb9vqf: btw, this is not working: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/ep/search kb9vqf Yes, I know kb9vqf I don't know what it is supposed to do though :-/ MutantTurkey where are the config options for etherpad? i feel like messing with it a bit Xu_R without that, it makes hashtags and such useless MutantTurkey I would like it to default full screen, seems totally pointless to not use all the space Xu_R kb9vqf: it shows all the pads, it can sort them by hashtags, etc Xu_R useful for organizing kb9vqf Right, I gathered that MutantTurkey yes, I don't understand the tags either D: kb9vqf I just don't know why it is failing kb9vqf MutantTurkey: There are not very many config options *jmb34234 has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf And they are very poorly documented MutantTurkey kb9vqf: D: darnit. jmb34234 good day all kb9vqf I had to resort to manually editing the source code in many cases :-P MutantTurkey hello jmb34234 MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay well I was hoping for that at least, but if we cannot change it, that is fine. Piki hi jmb34234 kb9vqf MutantTurkey: The source code is public on git Xu_R kb9vqf: :( kb9vqf If you feel like digging through it and you can tell me what to change.... :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: is that on google-code? ok i will look jmb34234 wondering if I can get a question answered... installing trinity on debian squeeze, and I've noticed that it comes with a bunch of software preinstalled that I won't necessarly use (building a kiosk).. is there a way to install a more base version? I'm apt getting desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity as per instructions Xu_R kb9vqf: no, on github https://github.com/ether/pad/ Xu_R I mean MutantTurkey: ^ Xu_R kb9vqf: etherpad documentation is here: http://doc.etherpad.org kb9vqf jmb34234: you would have to manually select the modules you want Xu_R but it's... down T_T MutantTurkey oh ok kb9vqf jmb34234: If you have an X environment, synaptic would be great jmb34234 @kb9vqf: u mean, you mean remove them after the install kb9vqf No, I mean before installation kb9vqf Just search for -trinity kb9vqf That is, don't run the apt-get install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity command kb9vqf Instead, go into synaptic and select the Trinity modules you want Piki kb9vqf, yeah, i was thinking that you should create a desktop-minimum-trinity meta package with just the bare bones packages pulled in kb9vqf Probably MutantTurkey Piki: that is a good idea. kb9vqf Let's put that on a to-do list somewhere MutantTurkey someone throw that on the etherpad kb9vqf Right now I have my hands full :-/ jmb34234 Piki: good idea with regards to the meta package Xu_R done jmb34234 : jmb34234 :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: sweet jmb34234 @kb9vqf: I'll go in and do it manually Piki we should get the etherpad from the channel topic copied over to the trinitydesktop.org etherpad kb9vqf ok kb9vqf Hang on MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey jmb34234: thank you for raising that to our attention. MutantTurkey now we can go fix it so no one else has the same problem :) kb9vqf Xu_R What is the correct etherpad for the topic? jmb34234 MutantTurkey: i think it would be helpful... personally, I always pick and choose the things I want and since most of us customize things to our own liking then starting out with a base install is always nice.. or at least having the option is nice :) Xu_R kb9vqf: have yet to move it over, hold on. will do in a moment kb9vqf ok, poke me with the link Piki wtf? the walmart site is reporting my pay in euros and i've never been outside the usa lol MutantTurkey jmb34234: that is the whole point of trinity, customization :) jmb34234 thanks for the help guys, much appreciated! MutantTurkey anytime! *jmb34234 has left #trinity-desktop Piki jmb34234, any help, come back here or post on the mailing list :-) Piki missed him MutantTurkey darn. MutantTurkey well good work anyway. another happy user, who feels empowered, that he got instant feedback, and accomplished something, had a voice, had a say. MutantTurkey that is important Xu_R ping kb9vqf http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/11 MutantTurkey consider changing those urls to bit.ly links? Xu_R ~sigh~ I'm fixing permissions on security now... MutantTurkey the topic already ridiculously long kb9vqf well, I dunno kb9vqf topic length *shouldn't* be a problem kb9vqf although I could change the collab url to a bit.ly Xu_R kb9vqf: hey, this might say why etherpad.org is down: Xu_R DNS Issues We are currently moving DNS from an old (unreliable) provider to a shiny new one that is super reliable. doc.etherpad.org and our email is currently broken. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yeah, not our main url, but the mailing list and etherpad. kb9vqf Better? MutantTurkey much :) kb9vqf If this works out we should host our own bit.ly-like service kb9vqf To shorten them even more MutantTurkey that is easy todo i think kb9vqf Yeah, shouldn't be too bad kb9vqf I dunno Xu_R kb9vqf: that's easy to setup :) there are so many projects that can do that nowadays :P MutantTurkey now that we are looking at this topic, maybe get rid of the mailing list bit kb9vqf Np kb9vqf *No kb9vqf Mailing lists are important MutantTurkey no i ment MutantTurkey "they will be more active thatn the this channel" kb9vqf Oh kb9vqf Well, it seems that that can indeed go now :) kb9vqf Lots of people are here kb9vqf I think we also have at least one person here through the whole day, correct? MutantTurkey yes i believe kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey maybe a small gap. MutantTurkey much better *kb9vqf notes his imput voltage is now holding at 127V (!) kb9vqf *input MutantTurkey is that good or bad? D: kb9vqf Nominal is 120V kb9vqf So not exactly good MutantTurkey S: kb9vqf Seems to happen whenever the weather gets "nice" around here MutantTurkey weird kb9vqf Probably people downstream cranking up their A/C MutantTurkey yes that would make sense MutantTurkey we don't heat or ac much at my house. I wait till my mom gets home around 5/6 if she wants to she turns the heating on, I am usually pretty comfortable around 50/60 with a jacket on. kb9vqf yeah kb9vqf the only reason I need to use the A/C more is to keep the computer cluster cool kb9vqf Winter is great :) kb9vqf Free heat MutantTurkey how much space does that take up kb9vqf A lot MutantTurkey I agree for winter, my computer runs at like >20C :) MutantTurkey a room full? kb9vqf Easily kb9vqf Anyway, back on topic.... :) MutantTurkey :p kb9vqf I imagine other people on this channel couldn't care less ;-) *kb9vqf wishes he knew how Xaccess was generated kb9vqf I can't seem to find the magic command Piki we should see about who wants what color on the etherpad Xu_R Piki: the colours are randomly chosesn. Piki try to space ourselves out for the colorblind with the lcds :-) kb9vqf I'm dark green kb9vqf I'm trying to keep that consistent across all pads MutantTurkey I frankly don't care. but i am dark blue i think Xu_R lol. well, they're randomly chosen - feel free to change as long as it doesn't conflict. MutantTurkey we need to see if we can keep that constant, then assign them. kb9vqf Well, it makes it easier to read if they are consistent kb9vqf That's the only reason I care MutantTurkey as well as have that as headers or something at the top of the page Xu_R true MutantTurkey who's name is who's Piki Xu_R, i don't think it's checking for duplicates :-) kb9vqf No, it doesn't check for dupes Xu_R Piki: I know. :-\ MutantTurkey also, does etherpad autosave? Piki i agree with MutantTurkey, have our colors at the top Piki maybe just list our names at the top Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes it does MutantTurkey at the very top Piki MutantTurkey, i don't think so, or at least it isn't for me MutantTurkey before anytyhing Xu_R it always autosaves MutantTurkey D: i don't think so either MutantTurkey maybe though Piki Xu_R, it hasn't for me, it makes me save manually Xu_R when the last person leaves the pad, it creates a revision Piki i had it sitting for 10 minutes Xu_R Piki: it did, look at time slider. xD Piki and it didnt' save Xu_R every keystroke creates a subrevision :P Xu_R and then when the last person leaves the pad, it creates a revision Piki subrevision? i've only seen revisions MutantTurkey eg: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/9 just do that. MutantTurkey see at the top? lets keep that formatting consistant Xu_R MutantTurkey: I'll add it to the default header kb9vqf samelian: FOUND IT kb9vqf install-data-local: genkdmconf kb9vqf ./genkdmconf --in $(DESTDIR)$(kde_confdir)/kdm --no-in-notice --face-src $(srcdir)/pics $(GENKDMCONF_FLAGS) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: nice. kb9vqf That was buried and VERY hard to find :-P kb9vqf samelian: It's in kdebase/kdm/kfrontend/Makefile.am kb9vqf Think you can fix CMake now? :-) Xu_R kb9vqf: wow. that is deep. kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf Believe it or not that's a typical debug session for me kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf some of the internals are just plain nasty Xu_R :( kde3 source code must be really disgusting to work with kb9vqf It's not that bad, as long as you stay away from the core kb9vqf The core here includes the internals of Qt, TQt, kdelibs, and kdebase kb9vqf the "foundation" if you will MutantTurkey maybe that is something we would also work on eventually. MutantTurkey attracting developers is just as important as attracting users. kb9vqf I honestly don't think much can be done about it MutantTurkey D: ok. kb9vqf These are the layers which interface with Xorg, PAM, udev, etc. kb9vqf Those libraries do not have "nice" APIs MutantTurkey I was speaking about structures and such. kb9vqf s/udev/HAL/g MutantTurkey code gets messy, but keeping it organized is important as well kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf It is fairly well organized as-is MutantTurkey oh ok *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Dumping Automake will get rid of a lot of the messy nastiness Anixx-suse May be interesting: http://storage7.static.itmages.ru/i/11/0316/h_1300303948_9181c4ea0c.png kb9vqf how so? Xu_R Anixx-suse: D: eek Anixx-suse It's kde2 running on openSUSE 11.4 Xu_R it's soo oldish lol Anixx-suse KDE2 of 64-bit build kb9vqf ah kb9vqf ughh MutantTurkey hahaha :p kb9vqf Though still looks better than KDE4 :-P MutantTurkey it is funny how the style has changed so much MutantTurkey it looks totally corny now, but before people loved that. :p kb9vqf It looks old kb9vqf Like motif kb9vqf CDE kb9vqf etc. Anixx-suse kb9vqf: yes. and there were even true-tranparent menues (unlike KDE3) kb9vqf Personally I always hated KDE2 kb9vqf Tried it back in the late 1990s kb9vqf Went right back to Windows for two releases kb9vqf (2000/XP) kb9vqf Seemed way too limited Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: in is a Marble theme. textured controls are impossible in Qt3 and later Anixx-suse MutantTurkey: you could also detach any meny and move where you want kb9vqf Qt dropping functionality? Really? :-P Anixx-suse kb9vqf: never seen it in any qt>2 app kb9vqf I know kb9vqf I should have used </sarcasm> MutantTurkey :p samelian kb9vqf: actually in cmake we have already install( CODE "execute_process( COMMAND ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/genkdmconf --in \$ENV{DESTDIR}${CONFIG_INSTALL_DIR}/kdm --no-in-notice --face-src ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/pics ${GENKDMCONF_FLAGS} )" ) Anixx-suse kb9vqf: possibly this functionality was made after Internet Explorer 3 who also had textured controls. As MS dropped it also did Qt team kb9vqf samelian: Oh, OK *kb9vqf goes to dig deeper samelian but Xaccess is not generated kb9vqf samelian: Did you generate config.ci before? samelian yes samelian genkdmconf is ran at install stage kb9vqf config.ci must be generated, then genkdmconf must be built, then it must be run kb9vqf That *should* be creating the Xaccess file samelian without config.ci, the sources aren't compilable at all kb9vqf hmm kb9vqf I don't get it :-/ samelian I think is something in genkdmconf samelian I will check the sources kb9vqf I'll check the build system again kb9vqf samelian: When I run "make install" I do not see genkdmconf execute MutantTurkey samelian: hmmm, error building kviewshell: http://ix.io/1yp MutantTurkey Xu_R: I think that header is actually a bit to much :p MutantTurkey I mean, yes it is all fine, but I'd rather just see what the page is about ,rather than notices about rules, permissions etc :p kb9vqf How about putting the rules, etc. on a dedicated pad kb9vqf Then just having a simple READ THIS FIRST <link> Xu_R I shortened it a bit :) MutantTurkey :) good MutantTurkey samelian: I can't seem to built it at all, like actual code errors rather than building errors samelian i'm not sure what is KVSPrefs MutantTurkey yes me neither. it is a header file though kvsprefs.h MutantTurkey i do not know c++ though so i have no idea samelian I think is generated from kvsprefs.kcfgc MutantTurkey yes, but what does the error mean? samelian not sure, show me kvsprefs.h MutantTurkey oh here is the problem, MutantTurkey it is no longer named kvsprefs, but is now named prefs.cpp MutantTurkey so i changed it, is that the problem? samelian must be kvsprefs.h MutantTurkey oh ok MutantTurkey nop it is prefs.h and prefs.kcfgc MutantTurkey just checked. samelian check again samelian there is kvsprefs.kcfgc as well MutantTurkey no there is not MutantTurkey oh wait i am sorry, there is in kviewshell/ samelian serghei@lenovo ~/projects/trinity/kdegraphics $ find -name kvsprefs.kcfgc samelian ./kviewshell/kvsprefs.kcfgc MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey so what is the problem then? I have included ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/kviewshell samelian kviewshell is build already? samelian built* MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey the only problem now is the plugin for djvu samelian and kvsprefs.h really exists? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey just checked samelian ok, show me it MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1yg samelian what is this? :) samelian paste it again MutantTurkey haha weird hold on MutantTurkey no idea what happened MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1yq samelian seems ok to me MutantTurkey D: samelian check if you have multiple "kvsprefs.h" MutantTurkey nop. used find only found 1 MutantTurkey also now libdjvu/ is having much problems. MutantTurkey which is weird, it should probably be built first, but it doesn't? kb9vqf samelian: Still tracing, don't know if it helps but kdm.options, Xaccess, and Xwilling are the only files that are not generated samelian strange, try to cleanup build tree and try again MutantTurkey samelian: OK. i have :p like twice. samelian kb9vqf: I will try to rebuild kdm and I will check if genkdmconf is really executed kb9vqf samelian: It looks like it is kb9vqf The README file in /etc/trinity/kdm does not list Xaccess and Xwilling kb9vqf When I build under Automake it does samelian aha samelian maybe genkdmconf is not executed in right directory samelian we should try to run genkdmconf manually kb9vqf and it is giving a default/failsafe configuration? makes sense kb9vqf samelian: #ifdef XDMCP kb9vqf :) kb9vqf There's the problem samelian hmm kb9vqf XDMCP is not defined samelian what is XDMCP? kb9vqf Look in kdebase/kdm/kfrontend/genkdmconf.c MutantTurkey its a protcol kb9vqf Line 2455 samelian yes samelian I think we should have -DWITH_XDMCP=ON, right? MutantTurkey samelian: all the same errors D: kb9vqf samelian: Yes kb9vqf samelian: But that variable is not in CMakeLists.txt kb9vqf Could you add it? samelian sure kb9vqf thanks samelian i'm not sure if i need to check for smth kb9vqf look in the kdebase configure.in.in kb9vqf It's there kb9vqf search for xdmcp samelian fortunately, there is pkgconfig support for xdmcp kb9vqf that makes it a lot easier :) samelian yep kb9vqf see, Debian is good for something after all ;-) kb9vqf Think of all the obscure errors we are fixing now as a result of the Debian build failures samelian hehe Piki we could probably get them on other distros. after all, you've got a newbie at compiling and packaging here :-P Piki surely something will come up ;-) kb9vqf yeah kb9vqf the Debian package files are explicitly searching for most of the Trinity files kb9vqf so they will error at the slightest deviation from a complete installation kb9vqf it's a pain on the packaging end, but I think well worth it Piki rpmbuild complains if it has a binary that isn't in the filelists kb9vqf ok kb9vqf so the same setup then Piki so we'd find all the files anyway *kb9vqf (purposefully) knows nothing about RPM Piki and it complains when make complains kb9vqf One messy packaging system is quite enough for my small brain ;-) Piki kb9vqf, i've been trying to understand the deb package scripts for two years without success, i've known the basics of rpm for three MutantTurkey (sorry for selling archlinux so much) but we have a great, very clean, simple packaging system! kb9vqf hehe kb9vqf so we're opposites then kb9vqf I feel the same way about the RPM system kb9vqf that's good though kb9vqf diversity in this case is a very good thing Piki rpm is basically a set of macros for each specific step of the process, plus the package info, and the steps are determined by the build process: create buildroot and extract source, compile with autotools/cmake/etc, then list files according to package *kb9vqf is starting to get concerned--one phase is at 127V and the other is nearing 120V kb9vqf $#!% ComEd MutantTurkey what is the max? kb9vqf the phase-phase differential should never be that high Piki and each script (spec file) generally will be one package plus a package for devel headers and maybe static libs depending on the distro, and maybe splitting a single source (e.g. kdepim) into other packages (e.g. kmail, kontact, etc) MutantTurkey Piki: that is not so far from archlinux then MutantTurkey it is just a script also Piki once our spec is written, it's passed to rpmbuild, which follows the script to create the package MutantTurkey PKGBUILD defines variables and arrays, then makepkg builds it based onthe pkgbuild *Xu_R|TDE has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|TDE kb9vqf: about kickoff... you're right, it is embedded in a ui file. fk lol. http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/work/suse_kickoff_qstyle/README.Kickoff *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop joeytwiddle KDE3 forever! Xu_R|TDE lol MutantTurkey joeytwiddle: haha yes! MutantTurkey long live kde3 Xu_R by the way, guys, here is not the place to have packaging debates or advertise distros. Thanks. MutantTurkey Xu_R, is that in the rule book? ok thanks please add it since obviously everything you say goes. MutantTurkey :) Xu_R lol Xu_R no, that's kb9vqf's job to do that. Xu_R xD MutantTurkey lol :p samelian kb9vqf: done samelian i'm not sure why kdm do not require -lXdmcp samelian check it and tell me if it's ok *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf ok kb9vqf compiling now kb9vqf Xu_R: People can discuss packaging of Trinity if they want to kb9vqf But no, I do not want distro wars on this channel samelian kb9vqf: I forgot to set GENKDMCONF_FLAGS samelian I will fix it now kb9vqf ok samelian done kb9vqf ok samelian seems that Xaccess is installed, finally *kb9vqf has to wait 4 minutes for the mirror to sync kb9vqf then I'll fire a rebuild *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: I am trying to find kviewshell-static from kfax, I have included link_directories: ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/kviewshell/ and LINK: kviewshell-static. I do not understand why it cannot find it MutantTurkey any ideas? samelian linking targets is not related to link_directories samelian kviewshell-static target is really exists? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey in kviewshell/ samelian show me error MutantTurkey i built it and it is there as far as i can tell D: MutantTurkey there only error is /usr/bin/ld cannot find -lkviewshell-static samelian are you sure that is static? samelian maybe is -shared MutantTurkey STATIC_PIC MutantTurkey let me try again hold on. make sure it is build samelian tde_add_library( kviewshell STATIC_PIC ? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey AUTOMOC MutantTurkey kviewshell STATIC_PIC automoc then sources etc. samelian show me the cmake for kviewshell and for kfax MutantTurkey hold on give me a second MutantTurkey samelian: ok. sorry i fixed the problem, was a typo :p samelian hehe, this was my guess :) samelian for this reason I asked for cmake files MutantTurkey :) *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|TDE|Away is away: Gone away for now dtmaster hi.. i will install kdeadmin.. i have TQt installes in /opt/qt/include/tqt and TQt.pc in /opt/qt/lib/pkgconfig.. but configure TQt not found. samelian set PKG_CONFIG_PATH to /opt/qt/lib/pkgconfig dtmaster i have set the path before i installed arts, kdelibs and kdebase.. samelian which path? dtmaster echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH say: /opt/qt/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/X11R7/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/trinity/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig dtmaster but configure TQt not found samelian i don't undestand samelian you use cmake or autotools? dtmaster autotools.. the svn version from kdeadmin dont have a CmakeList.txt samelian ah samelian kdeadmin is not ported yet Piki dtmaster, what version of autotools? new versions don't work with trinity dtmaster yes new version. but i will not for one or two pakages autottols downgraden and when finish upgraden. dtmaster -t+o dtmaster my complete linux from scratch is make with newer autotools.. Piki dtmaster, that might cause a problem, you will have to wait for cmake Piki if you want to help with cmake, samelian is the cmake expert, he can help you learn :-) dtmaster hm.. this is not good.. :( then i become my new computer not finish.. Piki reminder: meeting in one hour in #trinity-desktop-meeting *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-16T22:09:12Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|TDE is back. kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/glossary/checkxrefs': No such file or directory kb9vqf Does CMake build the glossary? samelian i think, no samelian I don't pay too much attention for docs kb9vqf can you fix it? samelian i will try kb9vqf khelpcenter is rather important :) kb9vqf thanks *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: hehe, I just made up a bad pun for tqtinterface. :P kb9vqf hmmm? Xu_R thinking about how Qt is supposed to be called "cu/te" Xu_R TQt is maybe "too cute"? XD kb9vqf :D samelian Xu_R: you have too much spare time :) Xu_R samelian: lol, actually, i'm restructuring Trinity RPM spec files in SVN now, so... maybe ;) kb9vqf samelian: Poke me when/if you have the khelpcenter fixed kb9vqf thanks :) samelian is fixed, I just must to check it kb9vqf ok kb9vqf then when you have it in SVN and checked :) samelian sure kb9vqf Xu_R: I may not be able to make it to the meeting tonight kb9vqf Trinity took up too much of my day today :( kb9vqf Right over the dinner hour here kb9vqf the meeting is, that is Xu_R kb9vqf: it's ok, the meetbot will log everything :) samelian what is the purpose of meeting, actually? samelian you have already meeting there, all day :) kb9vqf I think it is for the non-core team members to decide what they want to do ;-) Xu_R samelian: going over everything - I rather kb9vqf be there to comment too, though :-\ kb9vqf samelian and I know what we need to do already :) samelian hehe, for sure kb9vqf I'll see if I can pop in Xu_R :P kb9vqf I just can't commit the entire block of time Xu_R kb9vqf: np Piki samelian, think of it as a way to discuss with non-core team members what needs done and help to organize who is doing what *Strangelv needs to remember the questions he needs to ask. Before the meeting would be nice, but he's too early in startup mode Strangelv "Press poperclip to attach in Etherpad and nothing happens *kb9vqf knows about that kb9vqf Use the Wiki for now kb9vqf attach files there, then link to them on the Etherpad Piki Strangelv, you need the miracle of coffee :-) *kb9vqf goes for dinner Xu_R kb9vqf: ok, stop in when you have time :) kb9vqf i'll idle in the meeting channel in case I can stop by later :-) Piki kb9vqf, idling is bad, it pollutes the atmosphere :-) Piki psh, another firefox failure, crashed without warning with no error displayed, second time today, and it keeps randomly lagging the whole of X, forces me to switch to VT to kill firefox-bin Xu_R Meeting Started! Please head to #trinity-desktop-meeting samelian kb9vqf: checkxrefs is installed *Strangelv sees that etherpad.org is still down and archive.org is again or still not working Xu_R samelian, Strangelv: We need you over in #trinity-desktop-meeting to contribute details... it'd be nice. Strangelv "I'm there. I'm not the person to answer the next bug day question right now samelian I'm just watching :) Xu_R lol Piki we need input ;-) if we don't know what you guys want, we can't do it *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R Borg^Queen: Piki hi Borg^Queen Xu_R #trinity-desktop-meeting - now. Borg^Queen brb Piki Borg^Queen, we need a catalyst for the trinity meeting :-) Borg^Queen I know, entering lurk mode Borg^Queen bb in 15 mins Xu_R Anixx-suse: if you have any ideas or suggestiosn for Trinity, head to #trinity-desktop-meeting and express there - we're *trying* to have a meeting :P Piki lol, having the meeting would be nice dtmaster which version of autoconf and automake tools do I need it? Xu_R dtmaster: 2.63 and 1.10 dtmaster thx Strangelv /me reads: Warning: The 'charCode' property of a keydown event should not be used. The value is meaningless. Source File: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/8 Line: 0 Strangelv "Maybe that's why I can't get attach to work *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop Piki techie26, meeting in #trinity-desktop-meeting, feel free to join in techie26 thx *Xu_R|TDE|Away is away: Gone away for now kb9vqf ok, going back to dinner (I originally got called back to the computer early due to a detected issue). I'll try to stop by again later tonight. kb9vqf Xu_R: ^^^ Xu_R kb9vqf: ok :) Borg^Queen ok back what's been going on so far? Xu_R Borg^Queen: join #trinity-desktop-meeting Xu_R ok Xu_R next topic: Xu_R #topic distribution checklists Xu_R oh shoot Xu_R wrong channel -_- Piki hey! only Piki is allowed to be absent minded! lol *scrat has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|TDE is back. dtmaster so.. i have installed two version of autoconf and autotmake. but configure not found TQt. pkg-config --list say: TQt - TQt - Interface and abstraction library for Qt and Trinity Xu_R dtmaster: You cannot build half of Trinity with cmake and the other half with autotools samelian currently i'm not sure that trinity is buildable by autotools Piki with older versions, 3.5.12 should be, not sure about svn dtmaster but kdeadmin have no cmakeList.txt. Piki dtmaster, if you want to use svn, you can always help port to cmake :-) if you need help with that, samelian can guide you dtmaster i can not C oder c++.. and my english is very bad. my english is from a google translater. when you have a german manual for cmake then i can help. Piki you don't need to know c++ Piki we can help clean up the english as you go dtmaster can i build the packages from here with autotools? http://mirror.trinity.lv/releases/3.5.12/downloads.html Xu_R dtmaster: yes dtmaster thx. but i have installed arts, kdelibs and kdebase with cmake. all this new ? Piki dtmaster, yes, 3.5.12 can be built with autotools, but an older version Piki but i think you'll need to get rid of the stuff you did with cmake dtmaster ok big thx.. dtmaster i can not build.. configure not find TQt.. shit.. MutantTurkey D: Piki dtmaster, did you do tqtinterface first? dtmaster tqt i have installed.. but with cmake.. this new installed? Piki you have to do tqt with autotools MutantTurkey Piki: I don't think so Piki if you do everything else with autotools MutantTurkey oh yes then dtmaster ok.. i make all new.. Piki MutantTurkey, oh? i though the whole thing has to be one or the other Xu_R Piki is right - you need to do all one or all the other samelian as far I know, there is no more support for autotools in tqt Piki samelian, in 3.5.12? samelian current Piki he wants to try 3.5.12 because autotools and cmake can't be mixed Strangelv Is there an agenda somewhere so I know what hapics appear in what order? *david has joined #trinity-desktop david ok What's new to build tonight? Guest11722 Let me try and get my name fixed with nickserve... Strangelv Not sure; there's a meeting going on in #trinity-desktop-meeting BTW Guest11722 thanks, I'll take a look :) MutantTurkey Guest11722: get in the damned meeting! MutantTurkey we skipped some of your stuff MutantTurkey so we will have to go back :) Guest11722 on my way :) *Xu_R|TDE|Away is away: Gone away for now Piki new, you can identify to nickserv by typing: /msg nickserv id <yournick> <yourpass> Piki replace <yournick> and <yourpass> accordingly to your nickserv account Piki then type, /nick <yournick> Piki again, replace yournick Piki NEW, your account is under NEW? lol MutantTurkey lol poor david dtmaster what for a libtool version is need ? Piki i'm not sure, but i think libtool doesn't matter, it's just automake and autoconf that need to be old dtmaster tqtinterface with configure and make without errors. but make install give me a error.. Piki dtmaster, go to http://pastebin.com/ and put your error there. when it gives you the link, put the link here so we can see it MutantTurkey dtmaster: sorry for the little help :p we are all in a developer meeting Piki we don't want the error here because it will kick you out if you put too much dtmaster http://pastebin.com/kjWk2Bam dtmaster No Problem MutantTurkey Piki dtmaster, do you have qt4.2.0 installed? it looks like it's missing something from that dtmaster no i have qt 3 installed with our patch samelian this error happens when tqt is built with newer automake dtmaster i build with autmake 1.10 Strangelv Is there a CMake version of TQt yet? dtmaster no MutantTurkey tbottu: seen ToRka tbottu I've never seen a 'ToRka', sorry. MutantTurkey tbottu: seen TokRa tbottu tokra was last seen 2 days, 7 hours, 21 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying ':)' in #trinity-desktop. Piki David_Rankin, if you want me to help you with xchat, switch to webirc (http://webchat.freenode.net) and restart xchat to the intro screen MutantTurkey David_Rankin: good to see you on the IRC :) David_Rankin Hey, I'm still me on this channel too:) MutantTurkey good haha Piki of course :-) David_Rankin what is tokra Piki it doesn't remove you unless you tell it to MutantTurkey David_Rankin: yeah if you could get that svn stuff worked out that would be cool MutantTurkey David_Rankin: a person David_Rankin OK MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey she's just not around lately Piki one of our web designers, working with MutantTurkey on the new site MutantTurkey Xu_R:excellent work on the meeting. David_Rankin Seconded Xu_R Thank you :) MutantTurkey David_Rankin: Imho we are done the website, ToRka wants to add all this complex framework on it. MutantTurkey I don't think we need it David_Rankin KISS Piki Xu_R, good job with meetbot :-) MutantTurkey David_Rankin: exactly Xu_R guys MutantTurkey yeah meetbot is great. Xu_R meeting minutes sent to the mailing list :D MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey links working? Xu_R no MutantTurkey :[ Xu_R but I have a local copy of it :) David_Rankin The most complexity any site needs is just a bit of mysql for the stuff that needs to be in db format and just a touch of js MutantTurkey :D nice Xu_R cause this IS my bot :P *Strangelv looks back and discovers the meeting was ended without him getting to make his presentation MutantTurkey David_Rankin: yes we don't need that MutantTurkey Strangelv: D: about what? MutantTurkey sorry Strangelv Mascot proposal MutantTurkey shit i am very sorry we forgot. David_Rankin Not a stupid dragon MutantTurkey I was meaning to bring it up. MutantTurkey Strangelv: do you have your image ideas on the pad? David_Rankin A Phoenix - dies, but rises again from the ashes... MutantTurkey David_Rankin: valid idea MutantTurkey a Phoenix with a construction hat on! Strangelv "I have linsks as I could'nt get the images to the pad MutantTurkey (for beta versions) MutantTurkey Strangelv: ok, just upload them to like imgur or imagebin and put the links to it on the etherpad *Strangelv : http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/8 Strangelv did that MutantTurkey excllent Strangelv wel,l most of them Strangelv Not all, especialyl as Imagebin links are ephemeral David_Rankin What about a dir layout on the new svn server -- will there be a disto folder with suse/deb/arch/mandy/etc.. David_Rankin For PKGBUILDs/specs/etc.. MutantTurkey David_Rankin: yes, i think there was MutantTurkey Strangelv: what is L315? MutantTurkey I love the penguin one and the mushroom David_Rankin I have the account and I've logged in, but I'm just getting familiar with it. I have a bit of time to look into that and I'll post what I find to the etherpad MutantTurkey ok. Strangelv L315 is a compleetly obscure date code. MutantTurkey ? David_Rankin I'll grant the obscure part? Strangelv "I needed to refer to it as something. I picked that as it's less likely to have people want to use whatever random name I'd pick to be teh final name MutantTurkey oh ok. David_Rankin I've always viewed mascots and version names as secondary -- but I have learned they are important for presentation and community acceptance, so kicking the idea around is well worth the effort. MutantTurkey I have no opinion on anything specifically David_Rankin Perhaps a new entry on the etherpad soliciting suggestions. MutantTurkey I would just like it to be good and professional looking MutantTurkey David_Rankin: excellent idea Xu_R did everyone get the meeting minutes via email? MutantTurkey yes sir Xu_R awesome :D MutantTurkey reading now Piki yep David_Rankin I got the account info - no minutes. MutantTurkey Xu_R: I like how you signed me up to keep working on the cmake docs :P Xu_R :P Xu_R samelian's suggestion MutantTurkey I know :) MutantTurkey it is because i am probably better at explaining things than him David_Rankin You got kruler and kview going - that's better than I've done with crystal Xu_R wow - 1 hour, 58 minutes, 48 seconds - that's how long the meeting was xD MutantTurkey that was good though MutantTurkey I am glad i did not miss it Piki Xu_R, wait until you're a business man, some meetings will be ~30mins, while others will be upwards of 2+ hours :-D Xu_R hehe :) David_Rankin The CMake help is critical. I've spent a lot of time looking and trying, but as it applies to trinity and adding the tqt stuff makes the initial learning curve a bit more steep. Xu_R I know the feeling David_Rankin Once we can get more than calvin and samelian moving things to cmake -- things will really pick up David_Rankin The grunt work can be left to folks like me while the difficult issues get the attention with those with talent :) MutantTurkey David_Rankin: it is actually not so complicated :) MutantTurkey i am a grunt still MutantTurkey kruler is my guiding savior, i read that thing more than the bible. David_Rankin I'm getting it sorted, It's just like Linux - you have to wrestle with it long enough to see it :) Xu_R LoL Piki + Piki David_Rankin, linux is becoming easier though :-) MutantTurkey here is how i do it: copy over the CMakeLists.txt from kruler, then look at the makefile.am (that details all information needed) then convert it to cmake stuff Borg^Queen gn to all MutantTurkey gn Piki cya bor Piki >; Xu_R MutantTurkey: are you really desperate to see the HTML format of our march meeting? David_Rankin What we need it a mini-meeting on etherpad where those that are interest can just take a module (like kpdf) and work through converting it while samelian is there so we can all learn :) MutantTurkey Xu_R:no :p MutantTurkey David_Rankin: like a workshop MutantTurkey class sort of thing David_Rankin Yup Xu_R MutantTurkey: oh - I was going to show you all the stuff that will be synched MutantTurkey sorry if i asked before, but David what timezone are you in? MutantTurkey Xu_R: oh if you've got it that'd be good David_Rankin That would work, Just something that can move me off high-center so I can get rolling :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: build.lincomlinux.org:82/MeetBot/trinity-desktop-meeting/2011/trinity-desktop-meeting.2011-03-16-23.22.html MutantTurkey thx David_Rankin GMT +6 David_Rankin +5 now MutantTurkey where is that? south america? David_Rankin Central Daylight Time MutantTurkey oh so like ohio! Xu_R David_Rankin: Singapore? David_Rankin -5 oops Xu_R oh. Xu_R so same as kb9vqf David_Rankin Yup MutantTurkey where in the world is David_Rankin lol Xu_R XD David_Rankin Nacogdoches is just south of Tyler Tx MutantTurkey Texas yeesh. MutantTurkey well If i am ever in the neighborhood i will give you a call David_Rankin ~ 150 mi. sse of Dallas David_Rankin Great! MutantTurkey :D *Xu_R|TDE is back. MutantTurkey what is the difference between Xu_R and Xu_R|TDE and all that jazz Xu_R oh... Xu_R yea, the TDE is the virtual machine Xu_R with Trinity MutantTurkey oh :p Xu_R b/c sometimes I need to keep pasting output or such MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey can you not use the | ? MutantTurkey it is quite bothersome Xu_R no. I like the | :-\ MutantTurkey just Xu_R` or Xu_R1 or something MutantTurkey oh okay :/ David_Rankin What type of VM Xu_R Virtualbox MutantTurkey Xu_R:this is super great meeting html minutes MutantTurkey i love it. MutantTurkey In fact I love all of our new orginization Xu_R MutantTurkey: btw, the html version has the names Xu_R if you click the names Xu_R it'll take you to the exact spot in the log :) Piki the extra Xu_R isn't so bad, it's the "/me is back" part that gets annoying, it's like having two notifications of the person being back -- the nick change and the /me Xu_R yea, can't help that - Konversation >_< Piki it can turn that off in your identity settings MutantTurkey I just don't think you need to change your nick at all. Piki my favorite is konversation, and i always keep that off MutantTurkey irc is meant for idling! Xu_R oh. well, i really don't use konversation lol MutantTurkey what do we think about mascot ideas and such? Piki MutantTurkey, some irc clients don't show when you're away, and people tend to get mad when they expect you to be there because of your nick and you're not there MutantTurkey Piki: meh, those people are idiots MutantTurkey I don't talk to idiots, like idiots, or associate with them. MutantTurkey I avoid idiots at all costs. Xu_R lol David_Rankin +1 on the minutes - great job! Piki yeah, but unfortunately we can't get rid of them if we expect more users :-( MutantTurkey did you see the html David_Rankin? nicely orginized MutantTurkey Piki: haha i know ;) i was just messing around David_Rankin Amazing... MutantTurkey David_Rankin: http://build.lincomlinux.org:82/MeetBot/trinity-desktop-meeting/2011/trinity-desktop-meeting.2011-03-16-23.22.html MutantTurkey so excellent. MutantTurkey Xu_R: honestly i just hate it because i can't tab complete easily Piki i try to avoid the idiots myself, but not always possible MutantTurkey X-tab just brings up your two names then i have to hit more keys X: Xu_R ah, I see. Piki MutantTurkey, with the | ? works fine here MutantTurkey Xu_R: so are we doing monthly meetings? MutantTurkey Piki: pidgin buddy Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes, monthly is the way to go MutantTurkey ok. David_Rankin I think they are the way to go MutantTurkey yes i was suprised how many people showed up! MutantTurkey 13/14? David_Rankin Helps everyone sync up for at least that moment in time. Piki MutantTurkey, then don't use pidgin :-) only good thing about it is the ui and that kopete in kde3 doesn't do file transfer :-) MutantTurkey yeah. MutantTurkey Piki: it has many advatages, and a few small disadvantages. I would rather not argue MutantTurkey :) to tired. David_Rankin I've only used xchat - what's better? MutantTurkey David_Rankin: agreed. Piki MutantTurkey, not trying to argue, just don't really like pidgin muc MutantTurkey pidgin does every single freaking protocol known to mankind MutantTurkey Piki: i know :) i do though so whatevs MutantTurkey actually i just use it out of convience. Piki David_Rankin, for kde, konversation is the best MutantTurkey until something better comes along *Strangelv , on the mention of mascot,s isn't completely sure he has the 'Mr Potato Head' concept fully realized MutantTurkey I say irssi beats all MutantTurkey Strangelv: I understand the concept, just now need to think of a good logo Piki MutantTurkey, for cli, yes MutantTurkey and my desktop is like 7-10 window/tabs open of cli *Strangelv is using Konversation because it was here Piki but most of us use guis, even if we have a terminal, which is kinda small for irc MutantTurkey I don't :) Strangelv Logo based on that mascot, or unrelated to the mascot, or other? Not liking the existing mascot based logo? Piki that's why i say most of us :-) MutantTurkey Strangelv: hmmm? *Strangelv may be falling back asleep Piki i tend to stay in gui because that's what i'm used to. i do keep a konsole open, but too small for irc IMO David_Rankin The Tde logo looking like the old KDE logo is fine for the small things until something better is found. *Strangelv looks for teh tab with the page Piki so i stick with konv MutantTurkey David_Rankin: agreed. Strangelv The T-gear logo is the transitional one. What I'm working on is to try to work out the eventual replacement branding. The existing proposal is there to be nitted and hopefulyl result in steps towards a final mascot and logo that most of us will be happy with MutantTurkey Xu_R: want to just add the link to the minutes at the top of the page and such MutantTurkey Strangelv: agreed. MutantTurkey it is find for now, we need a new one. Strangelv After all, we onyl want ONE transitional branding MutantTurkey I think the biggest problem is that we forget how the user feels, we are so busy with cmake and udev and qt4 we don't realize simple things like logos Strangelv "Well, the logo isn't one we have much choice over. We don't have any rights to the trademarks MutantTurkey Strangelv: yeah. Strangelv "And our transitional logo wouldn't hold up as being sufficiently distinct in court MutantTurkey the kde e.v. has granted us some grace period basically Strangelv So we do need to have a replacement before teh KDE developers get annoyed with us MutantTurkey they know it is alot of work etc. MutantTurkey so they do not care yet Piki random stupid question: is it possible to get a recent computer than can boot usb flash drives to boot a usb sdhc reader? i'm thinking to do it as an alternative to my live cd -- the one i have is unreliable, and i'll need the cd burner so i can have a cd ready for my hard disk MutantTurkey Piki: wait are you out in Pittsburgh? Piki MutantTurkey, yes MutantTurkey there is this awesome used computer store out there Strangelv "...although with the impending transition of control of Qt4, which may also need a new name, tehy may need us as an ally to drum up support for continuing development MutantTurkey I will have to get you the location MutantTurkey with qt4 they will feel some more pressure from us i think Piki MutantTurkey, it'll be quicker to order online, i'm getting paid tomorrow, and i won't have a day off until tuesday MutantTurkey I know, but its a cool place to check out Strangelv "It's been said that failed branding mascots are by definition forgettable MutantTurkey gah MutantTurkey we need a very good one then Strangelv "So we need one that isn't forgettable. That said, I've been more impresesd by L315 than I expected to be Strangelv I, at least, will remember it... MutantTurkey we need to brainstorm next month meeting too i think David_Rankin I say, drop a note on the ML that suggestion on the etherpad for a new logo/mascot are being solicited and set a 21 day time limit and see what you get :) David_Rankin A deadline always helps spur action and keeps the focus David_Rankin It's one of those things that you go with what you got at the end - can't spend to much TTE time talent energy on the issue. David_Rankin I'm going to go look at the svn server. I'll be out with the kids (spring break w/ cousins at the Lake) through Sat. so I'll check back then -- If I survive :) David_Rankin Great work all. Meeting was well worth the effort. There are a lot of great people working on this project. Strangelv mascot-based logo with a speech balloon: http://imagebin.org/143449 Strangelv my second-favorite sketch of L315: http://imagebin.org/143362 MutantTurkey David_Rankin: :) agreed. MutantTurkey I am glad you have joined up David_Rankin In the mean time, we can all collect a list of links we run across that may have potential for the logo/mascot thing. - Not to copy, just to discuss - like/dislike, etc.. Piki David_Rankin, a deadline also forces us to finish something regardless of if it's ready or not. i think we should just do the dev days and meeting to pool our efforts. that is normally enough to speed things along while making sure they are ready David_Rankin Me too. This is a fun project, great group, and will be an asset to the OS community for years to come :) David_Rankin Not a hard and fast deadline (target date would have been better :) MutantTurkey i think we should have bi-weekly bug squashing sessions MutantTurkey David_Rankin: yes. at least for the idea a target would be good MutantTurkey we can work out details later MutantTurkey anyway, Piki, Xu_R. goodnight. I'll be on tomorrow. David_Rankin good to see you, have fun on your trip. David_Rankin Should be good - 7 kids 6 adults - we are out numbered! David_Rankin Thanks you have a great night! Piki i'm getting tired myself. I'm usually in bed about 20 minutes ago and need to be up early, get some stuff before work :-( *Strangelv tries to visualize L315 as a scrambled Rubik's Cube. Strangelv "Later. I' need to get back to sleep *kb9vqf-quick has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv I stayed up too late working on teh Mascot presentation, then got up too earyl for the meeting Strangelv :: looks at QuickTim kb9vqf-quick hey guys, sorry I missed the tail of the meeting :-/ Xu_R woah, quicktim lol *kb9vqf-quick just has a sec kb9vqf-quick pretty busy tonight :) Strangelv minutes are here: http://build.lincomlinux.org:82/MeetBot/trinity-desktop-meeting/2011/trinity-desktop-meeting.2011-03-16-23.22.html kb9vqf-quick ah, samelian is gone :( Xu_R and in email Xu_R I'd rather you not use that link, that links directly to my home server. kb9vqf-quick yes, I saw kb9vqf-quick hehe Strangelv "mascot presentation that fell through the cracks: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/8 kb9vqf-quick I just wanted to let samelian know about this: cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/konq.css kb9vqf-quick anyway, will have more time tomorrow kb9vqf-quick today was not the best for my schedule ;-) kb9vqf-quick gn all Strangelv "later Xu_R hehe, we can discuss the meeting tmrw :) Xu_R night :D Strangelv http://imagebin.org/143369 is pretty memorable, but that might be becaues he's dressed up as Tux Xu_R :O Xu_R oh, wait. Xu_R i'm running Firefox 4 RC. lol. Strangelv What happened? Xu_R no, Firefox didn't say RC, so I was like, whaaa? Strangelv email sent to trinity-devel *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv , after hearing the second person tell him that L315 is a good name for the initial mascot proposal, does think to himself that it has the merit of being an authentic, if date-based, serial number... *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *strangelv discovers that SysRq-F doesn't work if his system has already fallen down the disk thrashing event horizon kb9vqf samelian: Should I roll back kdebase/doc/khelpcenter/CMakeLists.txt to the SVN revision before I started modifying it? kb9vqf Or can you take a look at it and see what needs to be fixed/altered? samelian yes, rollback last changes kb9vqf ok *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Strangelv: o/ MutantTurkey what do you think about the phenonix idea David propsed/ MutantTurkey ? Xu_R|School hmm... I need kb9vqf to remove the collaborate from the topic for now... Xu_R|School and I need him to put up the march meeting bit.ly list MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: did you cleanup the march meeting list? add links and so fort MutantTurkey also some stuff will need (obviously) to be moved to an april meeting list Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: Yes, we will make the april meeting topics in about two weeks. Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: link is up: http://bit.ly/dLiMpG MutantTurkey thank you MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: I am going to start Topics for March Meeting ok? Xu_R|School You mean april meeting? MutantTurkey I mean basically there is a lot of stuff the we will just follow up on, CMake, etc MutantTurkey yes april Xu_R|School sure :) MutantTurkey also, the meeting pages are going to be more for meeting topics? before it was more like a checklist of everything. MutantTurkey I think stuff like that should go on the specific pages, or like on the TODO page Xu_R|School we will link to it then :) Xu_R|School there is a way to create links interetherpad Xu_R|School use [[pad#]] MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey [[pad 4]] or something? Xu_R|School just [[4]] MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey can i change the title? Xu_R|School i don't mind. :) MutantTurkey Xu_R|School: why a maintainer page i don't understand MutantTurkey D: the page is empty why?! Xu_R|School I didn't fill it? MutantTurkey It is empty. MutantTurkey hold on this is weird. MutantTurkey yes it is empty MutantTurkey like, completely MutantTurkey I am going to revert it ok? Xu_R|School what? Xu_R|School I'm filling it right now... MutantTurkey D: what the hell. MutantTurkey it says you are not on and it was empty MutantTurkey april pad right? Xu_R|School no... Xu_R|School trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/18 MutantTurkey D: well the april pad was empty. MutantTurkey so i put it back to where it was MutantTurkey weird Xu_R|School ,...you're not on the april pad MutantTurkey i am MutantTurkey don't touch it or it will break i am sure Strangelv Phoenix idea? *Strangelv suspects he should check his email MutantTurkey Strangelv: yes, please do MutantTurkey like, a phoenix never dies, but just is born again from the ashes of its dead body MutantTurkey much like trinity is born from kde 3.5 Strangelv "May take a bit. I have'nt restarted firefox 3.6 yet after falling down the disk thrashing event horizon earlier MutantTurkey right. Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: nope, you're not - please refresh your page. MutantTurkey no. MutantTurkey :p MutantTurkey yeah sure hold no MutantTurkey Okay I just refreshed and the page is empty. MutantTurkey I suspect foul play with the browser Xu_R|School i'm on the admin page, it says you're not on it :-\ Xu_R|School yes, probably foul play. MutantTurkey trying with ff *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-17T15:39:44Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: wait, actually Xu_R|School don't touch it right now Xu_R|School it's a linking problem, MutantTurkey D: Xu_R|School probably the same problem that Stranglev is having with attachments on etherpad and the search page not working MutantTurkey D: ok Xu_R|School aka, etherpad is failing atm... Xu_R|School i'll make another new april pad later :) Xu_R|School bbl lunch over MutantTurkey why? just keep this one haha MutantTurkey ok whatever. Xu_R|School MutantTurkey: it's corrupted probably Xu_R|School kb9vqf: please remove the collaborate - it's old now :P and here are march meeting minutes in HTML kb9vqf: please remove the collabora Xu_R|School EEK Xu_R|School kb9vqf: http://bit.ly/dLiMpG Xu_R|School there we go. *Strangelv gets impatient and visits email from Konqueror while waiting for 3.6 to reload Strangelv "pro column: familiar symbology Strangelv con colum: overused? *Strangelv tries to think past the cliche risk to something that may not be as heavily done. Wouldn't have teh familiarity, though MutantTurkey I love my kitchen! MutantTurkey it is like my song writing spot. Strangelv "Q: would the Phoenix really symbolize what we will be in more than five years? MutantTurkey always get good songs from there MutantTurkey Strangelv: no MutantTurkey i also dont like it because fire represents power represents bad stuff. MutantTurkey ya know? MutantTurkey power greed hate etc Strangelv "I could put wings on L315. 8) Strangelv "or its successor if it's still the same concept Strangelv "I still believe the 'Mr Potato Head' is the correct direction. Actually, I guess what I could say is I'm looking for specific nitpicks on L315 Strangelv "Don't dance around it if you hate it -- I need to know why Strangelv "Maybe I should draw a version as a range target to encourage people taking shots at it?L Strangelv "I must admit it's cuter than I expected, and it's possible I hit it off right out the door (wouldn't be the first time), but I was thinking of a more iterative process MutantTurkey I liove the potato head idea MutantTurkey I don't understand what L315 is MutantTurkey could you give me a drawing of him, just normal? MutantTurkey I would like an idea of his plain and simple Strangelv "Standing at attention... standby... I might still have teh link ,or I may have lost it MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey ok thank you if you do Strangelv "if not I upload it again *kb9vqf doesn't know what L315 is supposed to be :-/ kb9vqf From looking at it that is kb9vqf Probably a bad thing from a mascot perspective ;-) *Strangelv : http://imagebin.org/143360 Strangelv "It's supposed to be TDE Strangelv "Most people don't know what Goofy is either, and eh's a character Strangelv I suppose ambiguity might actually work in its favor -- IFF (sic) that makes it more memorable Strangelv If it isn't sufficiently memorable, it would help geratly to know why Strangelv "ANd I could thetn crank out a hopefulyl less forgettable one, L320 or whenever I think of it Strangelv "I've kept it mostly line art. I don't know what colors to make it any moer than I know its name MutantTurkey I mean its not bad, but its not memorable i don't think. MutantTurkey I don't know anything of design thouh Strangelv "Doing cuet and interlesting things is something its successor could do too Strangelv As well as multiple alternate configurations Strangelv like the flower Strangelv Someones' clamoring for a wvote already on the etherpad kb9vqf personally it's a bit too alien kb9vqf like a bug eyed (rather ugly) thing from a B grade sci fi movie kb9vqf (no offense BTW) :) kb9vqf just my humble opinion Strangelv "Not offense at all. That's precisely waht I'm asking for kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/quickstart/common': No such file or directory kb9vqf ahh, he left already :( samelian kb9vqf: "common" doesn't exists at all or is just a dead symlink? kb9vqf there you are kb9vqf didn't see you in the nicklist earlier for some reason :) samelian hehe kb9vqf I don't know though about the symlink kb9vqf I don't have the ability to look through the build root after the build is done samelian aha samelian check on a real system kb9vqf ok kb9vqf hang on samelian common should be a symlink MutantTurkey Strangelv: do we need a mascot? kb9vqf will take a few minutes MutantTurkey I can't think of any projects that have one MutantTurkey most just have logos i guess MutantTurkey well xfce has a rat kb9vqf hey, if he want's to work on a mascot more power to him ;-) Strangelv KDE has a dragon kb9vqf but we still get to decide if we want to use what he comes up with as an official project mascot or not kb9vqf good point Strangelv BSD hasa devil Strangelv "Lunux has Tux Strangelv I'm thinking teh maskot before teh logo becaues I believe it's actually an easier problem kb9vqf so what if we explored the dragon/lizard theme? kb9vqf what other animals are similar? Strangelv "a configurable lizard? *kb9vqf is just thinking of the Trinity project roots MutantTurkey a gecko? kb9vqf chameleon? MutantTurkey they can regrow tails and legs kb9vqf nope, that's SUSE :-/ MutantTurkey or a chameleon, can camo MutantTurkey darn Strangelv Chameleon that changes its colors to suit your tastes? MutantTurkey taken kb9vqf gecko isn't bad kb9vqf something along these lines kb9vqf *those lines Strangelv People will thenk car insurance, though kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf you're probably right :) kb9vqf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard kb9vqf Lots of variety to choose from MutantTurkey lizard may think suse kb9vqf ok kb9vqf then what about the dragon theme kb9vqf what is similar yet distincy kb9vqf *distinct MutantTurkey no i think it is bad samelian mozilla have a kind of dragon MutantTurkey a fox dude. MutantTurkey fire-FOX MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey because dragons, are associated with evil. samelian firefox, but not mozilla MutantTurkey so we shouldn't use it. samelian do not confuse it kb9vqf Hehe....this should be KDE4's mascot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thorny_Devil_crop.jpg MutantTurkey hehe MutantTurkey maybe something refeering to galapagos islands samelian MutantTurkey: http://www.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http://www.w4a.info/2007/images/mozilla-foundation-logo-250x235.png&imgrefurl=http://www.w4a.info/2007/sponsors.shtml&h=235&w=250&sz=19&tbnid=-RzTywf5UT99EM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmozilla%2Blogo&zoom=1&q=mozilla+logo&hl=ro&usg=__zMInUPS_9f1xjqYvRa1xH8XUA9M=&sa=X&ei=LTOCTab7OYbKswas1f2FAw&ved=0CEgQ9QEwBg MutantTurkey ancient society, but it has developed over time into a very confiugrable system kb9vqf yes, samelian is right MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey I was mistaken MutantTurkey I always though that was a T-Rex D: MutantTurkey why does it need to be an animal? kb9vqf it doesn't samelian a crocodile :) kb9vqf but people do find them "cute" and easily identifiable MutantTurkey samelian: taken i think MutantTurkey C3PO is just as identifiable as Donald Duck kb9vqf yes, but outside the geek circles people may or may not like C3PO MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hmmm, i think everyone likes it :) MutantTurkey and we are nerds :P kb9vqf animals for mascots or in cartoons, etc. seem to have univeral appeal (just ask Disney) Strangelv I didn't do 3P0. As it's a character that hasn't existed before, no one will already be annoyed with it. If they identify it with annoyance, it's likely becaus ethey're anonyed with TDE MutantTurkey ok then an animal is. MutantTurkey Strangelv: yes . samelian a cat? I like cats :) MutantTurkey same with dogs and cats and mice and dragons samelian berkeley db, actually Strangelv "if we do an animal I have a question: what animal might communicate configurability and customizability? Strangelv "or adaptability MutantTurkey cameleon D: *Strangelv draws a roach kb9vqf I keep going back to the lizards for that :-/ MutantTurkey Strangelv: hahah yes. MutantTurkey I think a cockroach is already a logo for some really secure linux distro samelian trinity is fluid like a feline MutantTurkey i forget though kb9vqf hey yeah, what about speed and elegance? MutantTurkey speed? pffft what speed kb9vqf ? Strangelv "Here's Samelian, Tim kb9vqf Trinity's nice and fast for me...... Strangelv "Speed is how long the system is waiting on its user to do something these days MutantTurkey on your 4 core 3.6 ghz 16 gigs of ram? MutantTurkey :p MutantTurkey that is speed, and logging into trinity takes longer for me than xfce or gnome did Strangelv "WE're not XFCE. There's other solutions when you're trying to squeese out every kHz kb9vqf right kb9vqf hence the AND above kb9vqf if I wanted fast I would boot into DOS MutantTurkey I read an article about windows developers MutantTurkey they get a new computer every year, thats why its so slow for everyone else samelian http://www.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UGSSUl2rb6s/TUobVbH8KOI/AAAAAAAAAWU/wBRx51tJZ_A/s1600/Tasmanian%2BDevil.jpg&imgrefurl=http://outbackcooking.blogspot.com/2011/02/tasmanian-devil-or-taz.html&h=977&w=1200&sz=83&tbnid=fG_4LIhKYmVvbM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtasmanian%2Bdevil&zoom=1&q=tasmanian+devil&hl=ro&usg=__g8CtwHdyUL8EUouzZjJfwyM8I-E=&sa=X&ei=lzSCTezRJcnBtAbw87S0Aw&ved=0CEAQ9QEwBA samelian tasmanian devil :) MutantTurkey because they don't care about speed with fast comuters MutantTurkey samelian: hmm good idea MutantTurkey a same it is taken kb9vqf are most of the big cats (cheetah, etc.) taken already? Strangelv Alas, Taz is so far removed from teh actual animal he's almost impossibel to duplicate without getting sued MutantTurkey Strangelv: I know we are not xfce, but also gnome is faster for me as well as any non DE's. it's not fast as i'd like it to be MutantTurkey kb9vqf: I'd assume so. Strangelv "If we don't have it, don't flaunt it kb9vqf oh, ok *kb9vqf wonders how we are slower than KDE4 samelian trinity won't die, like a kitchen bug :) kb9vqf Well, a bug wouldn't be bad from certain perspectives kb9vqf but it might turn off users kb9vqf samelian: http://pastebin.com/AgzSWM8T MutantTurkey slightly nsfw: (language) but this guy maybe could make us one:http://theoatmeal.com/comics/ptero Strangelv "The KDE dragon, nthe outgoing tenant here, is cute to complete impracticality. He also never does anything MutantTurkey he makes comics and such, and he made the tumblr logo MutantTurkey he's an open source junkie i think so maybe I'll email him *Strangelv wonders how a bearodactyl could apply to TDE kb9vqf old and craceful? kb9vqf *graceful kb9vqf samelian: Any thoughts on that pastebin? kb9vqf That is what I get when I try to build locally :-/ samelian not yet, i try to figure out MutantTurkey Strangelv: :p kb9vqf It's something that is wrong on my local install kb9vqf But I don't know what kb9vqf Could be a missing package for all I know samelian kb9vqf: kdex.dtd is provided by kdelibs Strangelv "What if the Potato Head robot was built to resemble an animal as a default? What about a Golem? kb9vqf golem? MutantTurkey A potato head potato but a robot could work MutantTurkey maybe like with a bunch of mismatched body parts, MutantTurkey like differently drawn arms, legs, different hats and eyes and such MutantTurkey and colorful Strangelv a golem is akin to Mary Shelly's creature from New Prometheus MutantTurkey to represent change kb9vqf most people would probably find a mismatched animal/mascot ugly Strangelv "so it already has all of the part,s rather than changing parts? samelian kb9vqf: you have installed kdelibs? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf and it only happens in my chroot kb9vqf build systems are perfectly fine :-/ kb9vqf but I can't check the symlink from the build systems samelian where is located kdex.dtd? samelian on my system is on /usr/kde/3.5/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/dtd/kdex.dtd *Strangelv tries to envision a sort of swiss army robot that doesn't look 'Swiss Army' kb9vqf /opt/trinity/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/dtd/kdex.dtd samelian seems ok kb9vqf yeah kb9vqf i don't get it kb9vqf samelian: personally I would assume that the common symlink is not being generated kb9vqf reason being is that Debian will happily install a "dead" symlink samelian you rebuilt kdelibs after changing HTML_INSTALL_DIR? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf In every way the local system should be identical to the build farm, except that it runs an older kernel samelian what happens when you run manually samelian /usr/kde/3.5/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdebase/doc/khelpcenter/index.docbook kb9vqf samelian: I would strongly suggest that the common symlink is not generated at all samelian hmm, maybe kb9vqf samelian: Nothing kb9vqf No errors samelian so, it's ok when you run manually samelian opt/trinity/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 /build/kdebase-trinity-3.5.12/doc/kcontrol/index.docbook samelian ? kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf it does kb9vqf *dies *kb9vqf thinks this is a probable waste of time kb9vqf it's most likely a corrupted chroot kb9vqf but it will take a while to reinstall kb9vqf samelian: can you think of a reason why the symlink would not be created? samelian not sure, I must to check your logs carefully kb9vqf samelian: Want the log link? samelian I have it kb9vqf MutantTurkey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichneumon_%28In_medieval_zoology%29 kb9vqf It is the enemy of a dragon (KDE4) kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Is a lemur taken alreayd? kb9vqf *already MutantTurkey haha if i could prnounce it MutantTurkey what about something like legos? kb9vqf people might then assume Trinity == something for young people MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey what about hmmm i dunno MutantTurkey something norse maybe? MutantTurkey i guess yygdrasill already has that one kb9vqf samelian: Do you need anything else from me to look into the symlink problem? samelian "ln -s" is executed at install stage samelian debian build system permit to run this command at install stage? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf should I see that command being run in the verbose CMake logs? samelian i can't see any "ln -s" command in your logs kb9vqf http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052777/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0ubuntu7%2Br1225155%2Bpr94_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf the debian builder executes it kb9vqf I just don't see CMake doing the same kb9vqf samelian: I don't see doc/khelpcenter being installed anywhere kb9vqf or rather khelpcenter/quickstart kb9vqf I see this kb9vqf Installing: /build/buildd/kdebase-trinity-3.5.12/debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/quickstart/index.docbook kb9vqf but I think that's a different docbook kb9vqf samelian: quickstart is not being installed into the khelpcenter directory at all samelian I saw that debian use "/usr/bin/cmake -P cmake_install.cmake" instead "make install" samelian i'm not sure that is the same thing kb9vqf it should be samelian there is samelian IF(NOT CMAKE_INSTALL_COMPONENT OR "${CMAKE_INSTALL_COMPONENT}" STREQUAL "Unspecified") samelian execute_process( COMMAND ln -s /usr/kde/3.5/share/doc/HTML/en/common $ENV{DESTDIR}/usr/kde/3.5/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter ) samelian ENDIF(NOT CMAKE_INSTALL_COMPONENT OR "${CMAKE_INSTALL_COMPONENT}" STREQUAL "Unspecified") samelian but seems that is not executed kb9vqf samelian: That is not the problem kb9vqf quickstart is not being installed into the khelpcenter directory at all kb9vqf Here is a log from a successful Automake build: http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/1331366/buildlog_ubuntu-squeeze-i386.kdebase-trinity_4%3A3.5.12-0debian7%2Br1181781_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz kb9vqf search for khelpcenter/quickstart kb9vqf Note that it is installed kb9vqf Now search for khelpcenter/quickstart in the failed log kb9vqf Note that it is NOT installed *kb9vqf does not know why that is kb9vqf samelian: Is this CMakeList.txt file correct? http://websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity/kdebase/doc/khelpcenter/CMakeLists.txt?revision=1225155&view=markup kb9vqf It is not finding the docbooks samelian yes kb9vqf hmmm samelian hang on *kb9vqf can confirm that index.docbook is not being parsed/installed samelian kb9vqf: actually in sources, under kdebase/doc/khelpcenter, quickstart doesn't exists kb9vqf samelian: It is generated from index.docbook in kdebase/doc/khelpcenter kb9vqf from what I understand anyway samelian tde_handbook have no ideea how to do this kb9vqf samelian: this is what Automake does: http://pastebin.com/HcCZyk6R samelian I don't understand very well how meinproc working samelian ok MutantTurkey anyone enjoy the song I shall Be Replaced by Bob Dylan? samelian ok, I get it kb9vqf samelian: Do you think you can fix it? samelian yes, in 2 seconds :) kb9vqf ok kb9vqf great :)) samelian quickstart is actually outside khelpcenter, but must be installed under khelpcenter samelian hang ok samelian on* samelian kb9vqf: fixed kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf will fire a rebuild in 4 minutes kb9vqf If anyone was wondering how many users Trinity has, take a look at this: http://mirror2.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/ kb9vqf That is only from one of the three primary mirrors (!) *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: just for that distro also :) kb9vqf yep kb9vqf so quite popular! MutantTurkey so thats even more MutantTurkey so 6000 people using trinity/ kb9vqf just from that mirror, and pretty much just on Debian kb9vqf well, Debian/ubuntu MutantTurkey we should get more stats from other mirrors MutantTurkey I didn't realize we had such a following MutantTurkey this is excellent kb9vqf eventually I'll get around to collecting the stats kb9vqf Now you know why QuickBuild was "slow" kb9vqf even with three mirrors that's a lot of traffic! Strangelv "I'm sure thires' still plenty of people still running KDE 3.x that we can hopefulyl add to this Strangelv "We need excuses to wriet press releases kb9vqf That is the goal kb9vqf Switching people from KDE3.5 Strangelv "They need to know we exist kb9vqf yes kb9vqf which is one reason I am willing to consider sending someone to FOSSCON if our release is ready in time Strangelv "What are the expenses? kb9vqf minimal kb9vqf we have someone who lives within striking range of this year's convention :) Strangelv good Strangelv That always helps kb9vqf for sure Strangelv was how I managed to attend ISDC in 2007 Strangelv which admittedly isn't the conference to promede TDE Strangelv or promote Strangelv "At least not directly kb9vqf nope :) kb9vqf samelian: OK, looks like that problem is fixed, but here is a new one: cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/userguide/accessibility.docbook': No such file or directory samelian i think is the same problem kb9vqf yes, but not with quickstart kb9vqf so your fix worked kb9vqf but it needs to be extended to the other docbooks samelian i'm a little busy, you want to try to fix it? kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf will try Xu_R|School kb9vqf: you put tqt for qt4 up? awesome, I can make specs for it so that people can test on RPM-based systems :D Xu_R|School kb9vqf: however, you must allow anonymous read-only access for the trinity and trinity-packaging if we are to be able to grab it :) Xu_R|School ok, school over. *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-17T18:54:49Z">+o tbottu </mode> *o_a|work has joined #trinity-desktop o_a|work Quick question: Trinity is built on Qt3, Qt4 or both? Do you plan to port it to Qt4? samelian currently is built on Qt3 samelian Qt4 support is under development o_a|work OK, thanks kb9vqf samelian: OK, I fixed the doc problems :) samelian nice kb9vqf Thanks for your help there kb9vqf new problem kb9vqf library naming kb9vqf should be simple kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf samelian: /opt/trinity/lib/libkickermain.so.4 kb9vqf should be /opt/trinity/lib/libkickermain.so.1 samelian I think is a mistake samelian if you want, you can fix it easily kb9vqf ok kb9vqf just wanted to run it by you :) kb9vqf in case there was a reason for the 4.2.0 samelian no reason, I bet is a mistake kb9vqf ok, I updated kdebase/libkicker/CMakeLists.txt samelian ok *kb9vqf hopes that was the right fil *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa ^_^ *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Pikidalto has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R Piki: MARCH MEETING MINUTES UP http://bit.ly/dLiMpG *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop Piki Xu_R, OKAY I WILL CHECK WHEN I'M OFF WORK :-) *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R Piki: Not my fault it's capital letters - I just copied and pasted from the trinity-desktop-meeting topic kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/config.kcfg/taskbar.kcfg': No such file or directory samelian hang on samelian kb9vqf: fixed kb9vqf thanks samelian Xu_R: I want to login to http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org samelian but it ask me for a password kb9vqf samelian: want an account? samelian I have, i think samelian i will try to recover password *kb9vqf notes that etherpad won't let users sign up on their own samelian i'm in kb9vqf ok Xu_R yes, I remember signing up samelina :) Xu_R *samelian samelian there is not yet a pad for cmake? Xu_R samelian: there is samelian ah, i found it Xu_R the [[ ]] denote links to other pads :) samelian yes, I saw your conversation with MutantTurkey samelian I don't like my coulour :) Xu_R samelian: feel free to change it :) samelian i can't samelian I can press "save" samelian can't Xu_R it's possible - click your colour :) samelian I did, but "save" button is not clickable samelian chrome bug? Xu_R no, I am using chrome too :-\ samelian you can change the color? Xu_R Yes, I'll change mine to show you Xu_R I am now hot pink lol :P samelian hmm, not is working samelian now* Xu_R :( samelian wtf, I can't type :) Xu_R D: samelian you should use symbols samelian [X] [?] or smth like this Xu_R I was not the one who created this pad ;) samelian suggest me a symbol for "in progress" :) Xu_R hmm... [-] ? samelian yes samelian [+] for done Xu_R good symbols :) samelian and [X] for "commited" Xu_R brb MutantTurkey Xu_R: did you fix that problem with the etherpad? Xu_R MutantTurkey: yes, April Meeting Topics is in its own pad. I even cleaned it up very well. MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey Renameing it "Topics for April Meeting" MutantTurkey to keep consistant with "Topiics for Marcvh Meeting" Xu_R ok *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: can we stick with one format for the Cmake etherpad? samelian which one? MutantTurkey I mean, first i had X's then i switched the whole thing over for your D's now it's back to something else. MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey lets stick with this one. samelian sure MutantTurkey the [X] [-] [+] etc MutantTurkey ok cool. MutantTurkey thanks samelian mark with [!] packages blocked by deps *Xu_R|TDE has joined #trinity-desktop samelian we should choose a color and use it across all pads MutantTurkey by deps? MutantTurkey oh okay i understand MutantTurkey samelian: yes i am dark blue Xu_R question Xu_R samelian: do we use these arguments? We probably should: -DKDE_DEFAULT_HOME=".tde" -DKDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEXT="Distribution" Xu_R allow to modify where the default home is and the distribution text (the packager) samelian yes, we should provide these options Xu_R samelian: I'm going to add those arguments to all trinity packages - arts, kdelibs, kdebase, etc Xu_R those options are important :) samelian ok samelian we need to find where these options are used Xu_R samelian: yes... we need to find them... samelian make a list with places where they are used and I will made support for it in cmake Xu_R I'll search through Trinity's svn to see if I can find anything MutantTurkey samelian: need yo help samelian hit me MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1yy MutantTurkey can't seem to find a header in the libkfaximage/ directory MutantTurkey even though ive included it with: ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/kfaxview/libkfaximage/ samelian show me cmakelists.txt MutantTurkey ok samelian also, run make VERBOSE=1 and show me output MutantTurkey wait i fixed :P MutantTurkey It was a problem with the variable MutantTurkey i was using CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE DIR MutantTurkey not cmake source dir samelian hehe MutantTurkey very handy link:http://www.vtk.org/Wiki/CMake_Useful_Variables samelian yep samelian actually in this case you can use ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/libkfaximage MutantTurkey i prefer not to MutantTurkey because i rather keep using one variable for everything samelian sometimes is not ok to use {CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR} samelian I we will change the name of package, your application will not be compilable anymore samelian if we will* samelian {CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR} should be used only for external references kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/share/apps/konsole/fonts/fonts.dir': No such file or directory samelian hang on MutantTurkey ok samelian kb9vqf: there is a problem, we need to run mkfontdir, but AFTER installing fonts samelian i'm not sure if this can be guaranteed in parallel processing kb9vqf samelian: Doesn't cmake have a mechanism to guarantee that? kb9vqf Or can you run it as part of the install step? samelian for targets is possible, using dependecies mechanism samelian for i'm not sure about install Xu_R wheee - just installed Konversation on Windows :D Xu_R brb - testing kb9vqf samelian: Can you run mkfontdir from within the install step? kb9vqf That would seem to be the safest samelian you mean, to run mkfontdir at build stage? kb9vqf samelian: Actually I was thinking at the install sage kb9vqf *stage kb9vqf That way the files would be installed for certain kb9vqf I will leave it to you I guess kb9vqf poke me if you want me to try a parallel build from SVN kb9vqf :) samelian for now, I fixed it samelian will se what happens samelian see* samelian I must to imagine something to allow installing/mkfontdir to be run atomically samelian kb9vqf: ^^^ *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|TDE :D Konversation for Windows works! Then Norton quarantined ksyscocoa and caused it to crash -_- MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey hahah MutantTurkey I never use virus protection. Xu_R|TDE lol Xu_R|TDE well, I use PeerBlock to prevent hackings Xu_R|TDE but I still need the protection - Win7 sucks when it comes to security updates MutantTurkey I just have a very protected firewall MutantTurkey only open things are ssh and http, and ssh is hidden on a different port, automatic 3 try regection, only one user can login etc Xu_R|TDE ah. I see. MutantTurkey I have been playing guitar since about 11am MutantTurkey hands are killnggg me Xu_R|TDE :-\ *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey good and bad i guess Xu_R|TDE ROAR now it kills kioslave :( MutantTurkey samelian: kfaxview done :) samelian good Xu_R|TDE but it seems to be working w/o kioslave, interestingly *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|TDE looks like my Konversation is working (Xu_R). w/e. Xu_R need to make one last change... kb9vqf ok, triggering build MutantTurkey samelian: error: 'abs' was not declared in this scope samelian I think you need to detect stdlib.h MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey i didn't know if it was a standard function samelian man abs :) MutantTurkey on archlinux we have "abs" arch build system :p samelian man 3 abs MutantTurkey absolute value ok :) MutantTurkey ok, another thing MutantTurkey there is an program called "squeeze" that i guess compresses psheader.txt into psheader.c MutantTurkey any idea how to do that? *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey so i need to 1) compile squeeze 2) use it to make ps_header.txt compressed then 3) rename it? MutantTurkey I don't really understand what is going on. MutantTurkey I use it un compressed and it works fine MutantTurkey I say we just generate it once, then add it to the repos MutantTurkey basically what squeeze does is this: adds some header lines, takes the contenets of the psheader.txt and puts it in a variable, then outputs the whole thing to stdout samelian you need to use add_custom_command() MutantTurkey what is that MutantTurkey dos MutantTurkey i will search it samelian MutantTurkey: should be smth like this: samelian add_custom_command( OUTPUT psheader.c samelian COMMAND ${CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/squeeze ${CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/psheader.txt psheader.c samelian DEPENDS psheader.txt squeeze ) MutantTurkey ok. MutantTurkey so i need to check for stdlib.h MutantTurkey with the check_include_cxx? samelian nope, this is plain C file samelian do not forget to put HAVE_STDLIB_H to config.h.cmake samelian if you working on kmrml, you need HAVE_UNISTD_H as well MutantTurkey I have that already MutantTurkey samelian: actually kmrml doesn't need that MutantTurkey i don't think MutantTurkey at least I haven't had that problem samelian check mrml.cpp MutantTurkey yeah but it didn't error out? MutantTurkey so what is the problem? samelian I think it have workrounds MutantTurkey I don't get it, why aren't we assuming that everyone has stdlib and unistd? MutantTurkey because if they don't have it, it will error anyway samelian nope samelian the code is designed to run on various platforms MutantTurkey obviously it wasn't MutantTurkey because if it was then it would have an ifdef MutantTurkey to kmrml we should add ifdefs and such samelian mrml.cpp have #ifdef guards MutantTurkey no it does not samelian open it and check :) MutantTurkey I don't see what you are saying samelian #ifdef HAVE_STDLIB_H samelian #include <stdlib.h> samelian #endif MutantTurkey where MutantTurkey in mrml.cpp? MutantTurkey no samelian mrml.cpp samelian line 21 MutantTurkey there is no ifdef MutantTurkey unless you've added it recently samelian nope, this is original code MutantTurkey I haven't pulled anything recently MutantTurkey no then MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1yB MutantTurkey that is my file samelian strange samelian run svn update MutantTurkey what is yours? MutantTurkey i have conflicts MutantTurkey with kruler samelian this is mine: http://paste.lug.ro/131057 MutantTurkey strange MutantTurkey Ok, I cannot pull weirdly MutantTurkey svn: Failed to add file 'kruler/pics/CMakeLists.txt': an unversioned file of the same name already exists samelian kruler was commited by me, if i correct remember MutantTurkey yes it was MutantTurkey hmm MutantTurkey I pulled no change samelian ok, will talk tomorrow samelian gn all MutantTurkey samelian totally just f'd me over D: MutantTurkey i over wrote the main cmakelists. MutantTurkey damn MutantTurkey and my freaking config.h.cmake MutantTurkey D: Xu_R :( MutantTurkey never listening to that idiot again Xu_R now now, don't get carried away MutantTurkey I am quite angry though MutantTurkey that was alot of hard work MutantTurkey will take probably over an hour to fix Xu_R do you have a backup? MutantTurkey no Xu_R :( MutantTurkey I don't backup an entire ridiculously huge tree MutantTurkey haha. good, now his new tde macros are broken also MutantTurkey that is good. MutantTurkey i am so happy right now. MutantTurkey >:| Xu_R :( MutantTurkey gah. MutantTurkey I am to tired to for this -_______- Xu_R get some sleep :) MutantTurkey yeah. MutantTurkey i have off tomorrow so i may be able to get some work done. MutantTurkey the problem is that it takes me some time to get going, you know actually sit down and get in the code MutantTurkey Xu_R: good night. *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Xu_R night MutantTurkey Xu_R ah, damnit. missed by 5 seconds. *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop affect hi, I'm still getting that kdesktop crash on startup after full upgrade although arch wiki says it's been fixed, what should I do? *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi TokRa ^_^ *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-18T18:28:44Z">+o tbottu </mode> *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: I got kdebase to build :) kb9vqf Thanks for all your help kb9vqf samelian: You should probably take a look at kdebase/kwin/kompmgr/CMakeLists.txt ; it was my first attempt at a new CMake build file and I don't know if everything is 100% correct (it builds, but I would just like a second set of eyes to verify that it is correct) samelian great samelian ok, i will check kb9vqf thanks *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi kb9vqf Xu_R: Default permissions have been changed to allow anonymous read for the trinity-packaging SVN repository kb9vqf I am keeping the trinity experimental repository login required, as it is experimental and most users have no business there ;-) *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: ok - but awww, I wanted to package tqt for qt4 Xu_R i don't mind though - that's second priority :) kb9vqf Xu_R: Be my guest and create package files :) kb9vqf I assume you can build them locally, no? samelian kb9vqf: I have some problems with caldav samelian I use vanilla version samelian seems that .pc file is broken or non-standard kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf Not sure why that would be :-/ kb9vqf Then again I generally don't work with CMake or .pc files kb9vqf Do you want to see if you can fix the .pc file? samelian without .pc file I cannot detect it kb9vqf right samelian on gentoo is installed under /usr/include/libcaldav-0.6.2 samelian so, I can't guess headers location *kb9vqf goes to look for the .pc file location kb9vqf samelian: On Debian the .pc file is installed like this: /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 libcaldav.pc '/build/buildd/libcaldav-0.6.5/debian/tmp/usr/lib/pkgconfig' kb9vqf samelian: Are you using the version that was patched for Trinity? samelian nope kb9vqf well, it won't work then :) kb9vqf samelian: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/relatedprojects.php kb9vqf use the tarballs from there samelian I read it already samelian hmm, in this case we must incorporate caldav in trinity samelian because no distro will not provide our caldav samelian sorry for double negation, I thinking in Romanian :) samelian no distro will provide patched caldav samelian maybe a good place is "dependencies", along tqt and arts kb9vqf well, I'm not sure kb9vqf someone needs to generate a patch and get it accepted upstream IMHO kb9vqf I have worked with the caldav maintainer before and he will consider new patches samelian aha kb9vqf but it was becoming too much of a hassle to generate new patches all the time :) kb9vqf it is stable now, so now would be the time to get them accepted upstream kb9vqf libcarddav on the other hand is a trinity-only library samelian autotools is assuming that caldav.h is located under /usr/include/libcaldav kb9vqf we are upstream for that one :) kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf goes to grab some dinner--be back later samelian "pkg-config libcaldav --cflags" returns: samelian -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include samelian which is wrong samelian "pkg-config libcaldav --variable=pkgincludedir" return corect path to libdav headers, /usr/include/libcaldav-0.6.2 samelian but i'm not sure that cmake can handle this *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian I hacked cmake to handle with pkgincludedir and pkglibdir samelian now I need patched sources, I can't find it kb9vqf samelian: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-builddeps/+files/libcaldav_0.6.5-0debian2.tar.gz kb9vqf and https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-builddeps/+files/libcarddav_0.6.2-0debian4.tar.gz samelian and carddav? kb9vqf the second link samelian nevermind, I figure out how to find sources kb9vqf ok kb9vqf :) kb9vqf it's pretty simple samelian ok, we should to make something to not conflict with unpatched packages, provided by distros kb9vqf samelian: libcarddav is not provided by any distros AFAIK kb9vqf it was created by me for Trinity samelian aha kb9vqf libcaldav though should have the patches submitted upstream samelian kb9vqf: libcaldav_0.6.5-0debian2.tar.gz contain directory ibcaldav-0.6.4 samelian also, there is no configure script, I should use autogen.sh? kb9vqf samelian: ignore the directory problem, it's a quirk of my build system kb9vqf yes, use autogen.sh samelian ok, my libcaldav package was built samelian kcal_caldav resource seems ok either kb9vqf good samelian kb9vqf: carddav seems fine too kb9vqf great! samelian hooray, kdepim/kresources are finally done kb9vqf rather large wasn't it? :) kb9vqf kdepim is a pain kb9vqf I'm dreading the TQt conversion there :-/ *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian hehe, yes, kdepim is huge kb9vqf samelian: Do you have a link with the latest CMake porting status for all the Trinity modules? *kb9vqf needs to know which Debian package to build next :) samelian kdepim should be next samelian http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/9 samelian kdepim is not done yet, but I want to know if parallel build is ok kb9vqf samelian: That's a tall order--the Debian build scripts are not yet ready and kdepim is huge kb9vqf I'll work on it as I have time thought :) kb9vqf *though samelian you can try kdevelop as well samelian this is almost done samelian missing just cvs support samelian i think we should drop cvs support at all kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf how hard is CVS support? kb9vqf maybe I'll work on it *kb9vqf is not sure samelian not sure, i think it needs cervisia kb9vqf so really kdepim is the next module that is ported to CMake after kdebase? samelian yes, is most completed kb9vqf cervisia is in SVN or not? kb9vqf Trinity SVN that is? samelian don't remember, hang on samelian hmm, i'm wrong, I dont remeber what problem is with cvs kb9vqf ok kb9vqf maybe I'll look at it when I have time samelian ok, I will check too kb9vqf no, you keep working on kdepim ;-) samelian hehe, ok kb9vqf I also need to look at TQt converting kdepim kb9vqf that is probably the fastest way to find the remaining TQt bugs samelian I expect that kdepim will be done next week kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf will work on various packaging problems till then *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian ok, enough for today samelian gn all kb9vqf gn *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-19T07:02:26Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-19T20:26:01Z">+o tbottu </mode> kb9vqf samelian: Your kdepim parallel build seems to work OK (and fast, too!) https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3335/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdepim-trinity_4:3.5.13-0ubuntu7+r1225012+pr108_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf obviously it isn't finished, but what you have so far builds OK kb9vqf Xu_R: Darn kb9vqf The fixes I put in for Debian seem to have broken Baho's build kb9vqf samelian probably needs to take a look at kdebase/kwin/kompmgr/CMakeLists.txt and see what I did wrong ;-) samelian kb9vqf: thx for info kb9vqf np Xu_R kb9vqf: hehe. kb9vqf hey, it was my first CMake file ;-) kb9vqf learning by doing...AKA learning by breaking things.... Xu_R kb9vqf: I know :) If I made a cmake file I would have probably made samelian tear out his hair xD samelian haha samelian i was made my own mistakes first days when I starting learn cmake *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-19T23:24:31Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: you know how kdepim wizards works? samelian i see there some modules samelian but no .desktop files for they samelian and executables are linked to modules (!!!???) samelian cmake won't allow me to link executables to modules samelian nevemind, I will use tde_add_library() instead tde_add_kpart() samelian but is strange anyway kb9vqf Xu_R: Do you mind hunting down the cause of a bug for me? kb9vqf it's in kdebase, in konsole *kb9vqf must have missed him...oh well :) *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: I have added a check for stdlib.h and it has found it. but with KDVI i still get errors related to abs, do i need to add something to the kdvi cmakefile? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: could you hookup bugs.trinitydesktop.org to the bug tracker? MutantTurkey instead of staying on bugs.pearson... samelian MutantTurkey: you added HAVE_STDLIB_H to config.h.cmake ? MutantTurkey hmmm let me check *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey #cmakedefine HAVE_STDLIB_H "@HAVE_STDLIB_H@" MutantTurkey samelian: same error, abs not declared in scope samelian you mean, #cmakedefine HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey thanks MutantTurkey ok recompiling now MutantTurkey samelian: same problem still though samelian show me the complete error MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1yU samelian MutantTurkey: insert #include <stdlib.h> into dviRenderer_draw.cpp MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey samelian: ok now error is for getenv samelian #include <stdlib.h> MutantTurkey I've already added that. MutantTurkey here is a better solution, add it to the config.h.cmake instead MutantTurkey so i don't have to add it to like ten files MutantTurkey like so: #cmakedefine HAVE_STDLIB_H #include <stdlib.h> MutantTurkey or no? samelian show me complete error MutantTurkey no need to samelian you fixed it? MutantTurkey it was just another file that needed the stdlib.h MutantTurkey so i added it to that file aswell. samelian ok samelian do not include headers in config.h.cmake MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey will not MutantTurkey do that then *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Xu_R: Think you could trace a problem for me? kb9vqf Just knowing the commit # and file name would help *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki any drupal people on? i'm trying to figure out out how to generate a list of recent news items on the front page. i have a content type called "news", and i want to display the five most recently posted news items, then to the right of that the five most recently updated news items *kb9vqf knows nothing about Drupal, sorry Piki i'm thinking i might have to some php code in a couple blocks, but i'm a php know-nothing Piki and google hasn't helped in showing how to select only five results from the sql query kb9vqf in php you can iterate over the rows kb9vqf so you could do an ORDER BY date in the SQL kb9vqf then use a simple for() loop from 1 to 5 with mysql_get_row insode kb9vqf *inside *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf just had a direct lightning strike to his power lines :eek: MutantTurkey D: kb9vqf on the plus side, all my lightning protection equipment functioned flawlessly :)) MutantTurkey excellent! *kb9vqf was kind of curious if the power was going to come back quickly enough though ;-) MutantTurkey did it go out? kb9vqf oh yes kb9vqf spike/out/brwnout/out/spike/restored MutantTurkey nice kb9vqf so a very thorough test of my protection MutantTurkey well that is good *kb9vqf likes to think he learned his lesson from the past two years MutantTurkey :) Xu_R Piki: use views. Xu_R kb9vqf: ohai. just got on. kb9vqf np kb9vqf Xu_R: Want to hunt down that bug for me? kb9vqf It's in kdebase/konsole Xu_R kb9vqf: sure, I'll try kb9vqf OK, here's the description kb9vqf 1.) Set Konsole to use a semi-transparent background kb9vqf 2.) Enable more than one desktop with different desktop wallpapers samelian for a subset of sql results is not need view, but LIMIT directive kb9vqf 3.) Observe that Konsole loads properly when it is started on desktop #1, but the backround is not loaded when it is started on any other desktop kb9vqf 4.) Observe that switching the backround theme restores the backround of a Konsole application started on a desktop other than #1 kb9vqf 5.) Observe that the fix only works while Konsole stays open ;-) MutantTurkey samelian: http://ix.io/1yY hmmm :/ kb9vqf Xu_R: This is all with SVN kb9vqf Xu_R: See if you can replicate it, then see if you can find the SVN revision that caused it Xu_R kb9vqf: ok, I'll try. kb9vqf thanks kb9vqf Xu_R: Also, in note 4.) above, I mean switching the Konsole background theme samelian MutantTurkey: what is this? Xu_R ok kb9vqf thanks :) kb9vqf poke me when you have the revision # Xu_R np Xu_R kb9vqf: sure MutantTurkey samelian: errors from kdvi samelian I do not see any error MutantTurkey weird D: it seems my uploader keeps hanging up MutantTurkey let us try this http://ix.io/1yZ MutantTurkey 1 MutantTurkey sorry again, wrong file *Xu_R|TDE has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: here is it finally: http://ix.io/1z0 samelian MutantTurkey: you are checking for freetype? MutantTurkey no samelian do it samelian you need HAVE_FREETYPE to be defined MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey #cmakedefine HAVE_FREETYPE 1 MutantTurkey like that? samelian yes MutantTurkey freetype2? samelian yes MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey samelian: ok, now it builds good :) now i just need to get linking flags right. MutantTurkey I am having trouble finding kmultipage-shared, which is in kdegraphics/kviewshell/ samelian are you sure is shared? samelian check for typos :) MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey it is MutantTurkey what my problem is, it works in kfaxview, but i can't seem to get right in kdvi samelian a target is visible anywhere in project MutantTurkey oh okay here is the problem, remember when you told me to pull? it over wrote my cmakelist in kdegraphics/ so that was the problem, kviewshell wasn't built yet. MutantTurkey switched the order up, kviewshell first MutantTurkey now it will work i think samelian actually, order no matter samelian if matter, you will have big problems in parallel building environment MutantTurkey well then there is a problem MutantTurkey because kdvi needs kviewshell to be built first MutantTurkey it depends on it. samelian dependencies are solved automatically MutantTurkey how? samelian by cmake samelian cmake knows that kdvi needs kviewshell samelian and will build kviewshell first MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey no work involved? samelian nope samelian this the power of cmake :) MutantTurkey excellent *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: just a question - does arts depend on tqtinterface? kb9vqf Xu_R: Yes kb9vqf It uses some Qt code Xu_R ok MutantTurkey samelian: cool all built :) samelian great samelian arts must die, sometime in the future kb9vqf in the future kb9vqf maybe it can become a pulseaudio wrapper samelian something generic, in any case MutantTurkey what is arts? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: no, do alsa or something. MutantTurkey pulseaudio doesn't actually make anything easier from what i have seen. samelian audio realtime server, or something like this kb9vqf well, arts uses alsa MutantTurkey It only gives headaches to people MutantTurkey what is wrong with that then? kb9vqf alsa has limits that arts tries to overcome kb9vqf so arts can't die if we use alsa still kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey D: like what? samelian arts provider network transparency kb9vqf try simultaneous access and network stuff MutantTurkey does pulse have networking? samelian useless, in my opinion MutantTurkey kb9vqf: why not write a plugin like framework for backends MutantTurkey so alsa, pulse, etc can be supported kb9vqf we probably could samelian this is my ideea too MutantTurkey that would have my vote samelian xine as backend, or smth like this kb9vqf but we've got a long way to go before we can start working on stuff like that :( Xu_R oh god - fedora does a very ugly hack for multilib arts installations :( MutantTurkey samelian: yes. MutantTurkey xine is good choice MutantTurkey I was at one point writing a xine based music server MutantTurkey never got finished D: MutantTurkey samelian: to build everything i just do cmake -DBUILD_ALL=ON ? samelian yes MutantTurkey ok thanks kb9vqf samelian: How hard would it be to add a USE_QT4 flag to CMake? kb9vqf So that it detects and uses the Qt4 version of TQt? samelian kb9vqf: i'm not sure kb9vqf oh, ok kb9vqf I have the TQt for Qt4 experimental package built now kb9vqf and I wanted to build arts/kdelibs/kdebase with CMake against Qt4 samelian you can try, I suspect that we will have some problems with uic and moc MutantTurkey samelian: i orginized kdegraphics/CMakeLists.txt from a-z is that good? samelian sure MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey samelian: building everything i have so far, to see if it is all in order *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop samelian ok samelian you tried make -j 2 or make -j 4 ? MutantTurkey samelian: I always have -j 3 on i am almost sure MutantTurkey actually not. MutantTurkey I have that just for Archlinux packaging MutantTurkey i will test after i build it all first MutantTurkey I had to fix something quckly and restart the build MutantTurkey samelian: I finally understand how things can break out of source :P (finally started doing it) samelian the problems with parallel building are impredictible MutantTurkey unpredictable samelian yes ;) samelian I thinking in romanian ") MutantTurkey :P samelian I think only Tim can detect it properly samelian with -j 8 or more MutantTurkey D: that is ridiculous MutantTurkey i only have 2 cores, which are HT MutantTurkey and i run only -j3 samelian you can run -j8 as well, but because is not fast enough, the test is useless MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey -j3 is good, leaves one core open for regular stuff Baho What about a quad core? MutantTurkey Baho: what -j flag to use? Baho -j4 MutantTurkey is it HT? Baho No AMD MutantTurkey ah Baho Phnom II with 8G memory MutantTurkey nice nice MutantTurkey Aton N330 with 2G memory :) Baho Power house then ;) MutantTurkey aha kb9vqf samelian: In CMake how do I set a global include directory? kb9vqf i.e. add an include directory every time g++ is invoked using the -I flag? samelian kb9vqf: hang on samelian kb9vqf: set( CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS "${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS} -I/path/to/dir" kb9vqf samelian: And that will set it for all subdirectories as well? samelian yes samelian subdirs inherit top level variables kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf goes to try it samelian kb9vqf: actually you can use include_directories(), for this specific task samelian include_directories( /path/to/my/headers ) kb9vqf ah, ok kb9vqf that looks cleaner samelian yes, and correct way, actually samelian kb9vqf: a hint: set( MYVAR value1 value2 value3 ) is equivalent with set( MYVAR "value1;value2;value3" ) kb9vqf samelian: Is there a similar setting for the -L and -l gcc flags? samelian yes *kb9vqf needs to add a linked library and path samelian link_directories() *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop samelian for linking, if i'm not wrong, is: kb9vqf samelian: Where is TQT_LIBRARIES set? samelian set( CMAKE_REQUIRED_LIBRARIES mylib1 mylib2 ) samelian i think in TQt.pc samelian why? kb9vqf just vurious kb9vqf *curious samelian is inherited from TQt.pc samelian and detected, in FindTQt.cmake samelian this line: pkg_search_module( TQT TQt ) kb9vqf right samelian TQT_INCLUDE_DIRS and TQT_LIBRARIES are automatically set kb9vqf shouldn't that error out if TQt.pc is not found? samelian actually, yer kb9vqf right now it seems to continue, but leaves the env variables blank samelian i think I forgot to make the right test kb9vqf actually, never mind kb9vqf locate is cAsE sEnSiTiV kb9vqf tqt.pc is the actual filename samelian are you sure? I made it "TQt.pc" kb9vqf hmmmm kb9vqf then I did it wrong kb9vqf would explain a few things kb9vqf and yes, then it needs to error out when TQt.pc is not found kb9vqf samelian: ^^^^ samelian yes, I will add it kb9vqf ok kb9vqf samelian: Poke me when that's in SVN please :) samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: please check my spelling samelian Unable to find TQt!\n Try to set PKG_CONFIG_PATH to directory\n where TQt.pc file is located. kb9vqf Unable to find TQt!\n Try to set PKG_CONFIG_PATH to the directory\n in which the TQt.pc file is located. samelian thx kb9vqf np samelian tmoc is not found. Check if TQt is correct installed or try to set TQT_TMOC_EXECUTABLE to path to tmoc samelian kb9vqf: ^^ samelian actually, tmoc can be found in these ways: kb9vqf samelian: tmoc is not found. Please ensure that TQt is properly installed, and try setting TQT_TMOC_EXECUTABLE to the path in which tmoc resides kb9vqf samelian: tmoc could not be found. Please ensure that TQt is properly installed, and try setting TQT_TMOC_EXECUTABLE to the path in which tmoc resides samelian 1) cmake -DTQT_TMOC_EXECUTABLE=/path/to/tmoc samelian 2) is searched in -DTQTDIR=/path/to/tqt samelian 3) is searched in variable environment TQTDIR kb9vqf samelian: tmoc could not be found. Please ensure that TQt is properly installed, that TQTDIR is set to the path in which TQt resides, and/or that TQT_TMOC_EXECUTABLE is set to the path in which tmoc resides kb9vqf that's the best I can come up with samelian ok, it's enough info kb9vqf is this patch going to be large? I have a working copy here that I don't want to rewrite if I don't have to..... samelian few lines *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: http://paste.lug.ro/131058 kb9vqf oh, good kb9vqf three lines is not bad at all :) samelian adapt it to your code and commit it to svn kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thanks samelian welcome samelian I hope it works, I have not tested it samelian you can cut "PATHS ${BINDIR}" samelian is very unlikely that tmoc will be located in trinity binary dir samelian my english is so bad :( kb9vqf it's not THAT bad kb9vqf I can understand you :) samelian i know that you understand me, but i'm frustrated :) kb9vqf samelian: I committed it in SVN revision 1225433. samelian ok, thx kb9vqf Along with preliminary TQt for Qt4 support :) samelian great *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: I just did a massive commit to kdepim samelian when you can, try to build kdepim samelian and tell if everything are compiling corectly Baho Yikes samelian I think 80% of kdepim is done samelian but I did some changed in code too, probably autotools are severely damaged samelian gn all Baho Got problem with gtk-qt-engine *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Xu_R Piki: you should stop joining channels before the hostmask is set ;) Xu_R Piki: and to your drupal response: use views Xu_R kb9vqf: in order to find that konsole bug, I started pushing builds for fedora 14 to the build server - which means I should have something to test with soon. Piki Xu_R: why should i stop joining channels? this is the only channel that i seem to rejoin, and it's the last one that it joins Piki Xu_R: i have views installed, the only thing i can't figure out is how to limit it to 5 items Xu_R Piki: hm? Well, [21:09] *** Piki!~piki@66.233.157.161 has joined #trinity-desktop *** Piki!~piki@66.233.157.161 has quit IRC: Changing host *** Piki!~piki@unaffiliated/piki has joined #trinity-desktop shows that your client joined too quickly - freenode faq advises a delay of 5 seconds :) Xu_R Piki: there should be a filter option there. Piki like i said, this is the only channel it happens on, i'm not gettin double voice from AL-Bot or cahnserv on #arklinux Xu_R Piki: I was just saying -_-" Piki the filter is what i'm using in views to get the correct content type in drupal, i just can't figure out how to choose a set number of recent items, but it displays in the right order Piki Xu_R: so am i, no need to overreact, not looking for a fight, i've had quite enough of those to deal with over the weekend Xu_R ...wasn't...overreacting.......anyways. Xu_R damnit. I'd help, but my site just froze and is starting to lag... my hosting provider has gotten consistently worse... Piki right, well i'm just looking at past experience as to when to expect an overreaction, and thus far past experienc hasn't been wrong yet with this... *Piki has left #trinity-desktop Xu_R ...? kb9vqf Xu_R: Any progress tracing that bug? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *nettezzaumana has joined #trinity-desktop nettezzaumana hi there nettezzaumana anyone alive here? nettezzaumana i need to discuss a one thing: i'm considering to become package maintainer of trinity desktop for openindiana (openindiana.org) samelian nettezzaumana: is too early :) samelian most of trinity people sleeping at this time nettezzaumana ok, no prob samelian nettezzaumana US|chineese guys ? :D samelian US, yes nettezzaumana samelian: i'll check also some mailinglist nettezzaumana samelian: my base problem is, that i get ton of compilation errors on sunos .. some of them could be fixed by gcc but suncc didn't pass at all nettezzaumana **by using gcc samelian nettezzaumana: if we can, we will try to fix it nettezzaumana samelian: i don't think that you will bother with supporting !gcc samelian why not? samelian of course, or main platform is linux nettezzaumana samelian: thanks for reaction .. i'm now in office .. i'll subscribe to mailinglist and we'll go on later samelian but if you can made pathes, we will be happy to incorporate it into trinity nettezzaumana samelian: well, doing some hot fixes without deeper knowledge of software itself is not good solution nettezzaumana i can do patches but honestly i'm KDE user and not developer samelian we will review any patch, ofc nettezzaumana ok *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *sdnalanis has joined #trinity-desktop sdnalanis hello i am running debian 6 and would like to download trinity and i am at a public access point to download. where to obtain all necessicary files for deb 6 as to install them on offline machine? sdnalanis anyone? nettezzaumana svn OMG .. isn't there step by step howto? kb9vqf http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild *nettezzaumana has left #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ hey kb9vqf hello Xu_R|School hey MutantTurkey_ Xu_R|School yikes. there are three of me... MutantTurkey_ what's up? MutantTurkey_ D: Xu_R|School there's one Xu_R|School lol kb9vqf how's the bug trace coming? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: haven't found it yet :-\ *Xu_R|TDE has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School gah Xu_R|School damn Konversation kb9vqf which svn revision are you on now? Xu_R|School I'll just shut it off when I get home. kb9vqf the kde4 version of konversation I presume? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: latest as of last night... MutantTurkey_ Xu_R|School: ssh into it and turn it off! kb9vqf which one is it? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: nope - Trinity 3.5.12 one kb9vqf oh kb9vqf what's wrong? Xu_R|School MutantTurkey_: can't >: damn school network. lol. MutantTurkey_ oh yeah MutantTurkey_ run your ssh on port 80 and you'll be good <kick channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-03-21T15:18:55Z">Xu_R</kick> MutantTurkey_ kb9vqf: good work :) kb9vqf hehe Xu_R|School wrong one, kb9vqf -.- <kick channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-03-21T15:19:22Z">Xu_R|TDE</kick> Xu_R|School yea, that works. lol. MutantTurkey_ I am all for giving nobody +o status kb9vqf you have too many clients in here! Xu_R|School kb9vqf: not intentional! MutantTurkey_ then when you need it do ti. MutantTurkey_ Xu_R|School: it is true lol kb9vqf I dunno kb9vqf tbottu needs +o at all times for auth to work tbottu kb9vqf: Sorry, I've no idea what 'needs +o at all times for auth to work' might be. Xu_R|School MutantTurkey_: not even port 80 works :-\ because they can monitor on port 80 Xu_R|School someone got kicked off the computer network for searching proxy on google. kb9vqf Xu_R|School: I assume you are using some sort of bisect when searching for the but? kb9vqf *bug Xu_R|School kb9vqf: yes kb9vqf what was your starting revision? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: I don't know, I'm not at the computer right now (note the Xu_R|School nickname) Xu_R|School :-\ kb9vqf ok kb9vqf wasn't sure *kb9vqf would like it fixed ;-) Xu_R|School I know :) MutantTurkey_ what bug is this/ kb9vqf it's a somewhat obscure Konsole bug introduced somewhere after 3.5.12 kb9vqf the channel log has more info MutantTurkey_ you mentioned transparency... yeah i recall kb9vqf seems to be the only major problem caused by the transition of kdebase to TQt kb9vqf from what I can see at any rate MutantTurkey_ finally rememberd i can do -j3 on my make with cmake, i didn't even think of it. Xu_R|School bbl, lunch is over MutantTurkey_ weird samelian, when i build kpovmodeler with DBUILD_ALL it breaks, then when i build it alone, it is fine MutantTurkey_ weird MutantTurkey_ oh well i'll wrk it out when i get home kb9vqf samelian: Where/how is the uic executable name set in CMake? samelian kb9vqf: hang on samelian kb9vqf: FindQt.cmake samelian variable QT_UIC_EXECUTABLE kb9vqf ok, thanks *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ samelian: any idea why my build wouldn't work if i use BUILD_ALL? MutantTurkey_ it seems like it cannot find the correct headers or something. MutantTurkey_ oh got it *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: you know what is kdepim/indexlib? samelian seems that is not used anywhere samelian actually is not kde/qt library samelian is something based on boost samelian I propose to remove it from kdepim, at least because is not Qt application/library kb9vqf samelian: If it is truly not used anywhere then go ahead and removeit samelian kb9vqf: you can check if on debian or ubuntu there is no libindex.so ? samelian if exists, you can check if is used by any other program? kb9vqf samelian: From what I can tell it is used in libindex0-trinity, which is not required by other programs but is suggested for KMail samelian i see samelian but I am using kmail at this moment, and it not complain about libindex samelian ok, I will keep it for the moment, will analyze it later samelian kb9vqf: you know if static library built with -fPIC affect the performance in any way when is linked to an executable? kb9vqf no I do not knwo kb9vqf *know samelian ok, will compile static libs twice :) samelian pic and non pic MutantTurkey what is the point of fpic? MutantTurkey Position independant code, samelian yes samelian -fPIC is usually needed only for shared libraries MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey I only enable STATIC_PIC in cmakefiles when it requires right? samelian when is used only for linking to shared libs, yes MutantTurkey ok samelian if is used for executables, should be "STATIC" MutantTurkey right kb9vqf samelian: This might help: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/pic-internals.xml#doc_chap7 kb9vqf The performance difference is negligible MutantTurkey every extra bit of performance that can be extracted would be good samelian yes, I think MutantTurkey is right, even in my specific case is not very important samelian MutantTurkey: in any case, do not confuse kdeinit executables with regular executables samelian kb9vqf: morning someone asked for help for packaging trinity for openindiana MutantTurkey samelian: ok kb9vqf yes I noticed samelian which seems an opensolaris distro based kb9vqf I can't provide much help there unfortunately kb9vqf I'm on AMD64 primarily here kb9vqf Linux/AMD64 samelian i am using 32 bit kb9vqf he can ask us questions on IRC of course, but I don't know how helpful/knowledgable any of us are going to be with respect to OpenSolaris samelian we can try, anyway MutantTurkey I am having plenty of issues with building this all samelian :/ samelian show me errors MutantTurkey when i build OOS, it get library errors for freetype on kpovmodeler samelian freetype is detected , right? MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey let me double check, it is acting quite odd, sometimes building sometimes not *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen gn to all samelian kb9vqf: please correct grammar of this message: samelian boost library is required, but was not found on your system.\n Try to set boost include dir to BOOST_INCLUDE_DIR. *Mias has joined #trinity-desktop Mias hi Mias howto start trinity-desktop after installing it? samelian Mias: startkde Mias ah, means booting in console mode samelian if you want to use kdm, depends by your distro Mias hope this will turn on sound, unlike until now on lucid Mias samelian: how to, in kubuntu lucid? Mias will it read out settings and email accs from kde4? samelian probably no Mias ok samelian kdepim is almost ported to cmake, only four gaps remained samelian kb9vqf: our forum are heavily spammed samelian pls give someone admin rights to delete spam MutantTurkey samelian: i say remove the forums MutantTurkey more hassle than they are worth for the time being MutantTurkey samelian: need some help, this is a weird error: MutantTurkey samelian: http://ix.io/1zf MutantTurkey it looks as if it detects the module 'freetype2' but then it doesn't seem to include it? I'm about to check out the cmakefiles.txt first MutantTurkey samelian: and it only happens out of source *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop samelian MutantTurkey: add ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR} to include_dirs MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey why is that? MutantTurkey (and it works! :D ) samelian kdvi_multipage.cpp needs fontpool.h, which is in current source dir MutantTurkey ok thank you MutantTurkey here is the other problem: kdvi needs kmultipage-shared to be built, but it is built by kviewshell MutantTurkey what do i do? samelian you use BUILD_ALL, or no? samelian MutantTurkey: if you don't use BUILD_ALL, pass to cmake -DBUILD_KVIEWSHELL=ON -DBUILD_KDVI samelian will continue tomorrow, gn all MutantTurkey samelian: yes, but what if someone doesn't want to do that MutantTurkey if they just want to build -KDVI we need it to also build kviewshell automagically *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv From the email list: http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/03/holding-on-to-kde-35x-and-gnome-2x-in.html Strangelv "Food for thought for when there's the luxury of figuring out where to go in user interface terms Strangelv "Several potentially useful nits with 3.5 in the comments section *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: i'm not sure what to do with kitchensync, seems that is using obsolete/unmaintained libopensync versions kb9vqf part of kdepim I take it? samelian gentoo do not provide anymore these versions of libopensync samelian yes samelian actually on gentoo, app-pda/libopensync is marked for remove samelian seems that we have several apps (kitchensync, kmobile and kandy) which try to do in various mode the same think samelian thing* kb9vqf can we disable opensync support for those apps? kb9vqf with #ifdefs and such? samelian the opensync is needed only for kitchensync samelian i'm pretty sure that kitchensync will not work without opensync, at all samelian hmm, seems that libopensync-plugin-kdepim is provided in kde-sunset overlay, by kde3 maintainers samelian I will try to use it samelian but for long term, we should remove or rewrite these applications samelian # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> (10 Feb 2011) samelian # Masked for QA. Talk to QA before touching this mask. samelian # Unmaintained and completely broken wrt bugs samelian # 185475, 211262, 247268, 276220, 287751, 293501, 298109, samelian # 301729, 308801, 311763, 311765, 328691, 340605, 348483, samelian # 352506, 237366, 250054 samelian # Removal in 30 days kb9vqf fully agree kb9vqf who has a palm pilot anyway these days? samelian right kb9vqf I say put in a CMake switch kb9vqf disabled by default kb9vqf to remove kitchensync completely samelian ok kb9vqf that way if someone *does* have a palm pilot he or she can fight with getting it working themselves ;-) samelian hehe kb9vqf eventually we should probably put an "unmaintained" directory in SVN kb9vqf and move obsolete apps there samelian good ideea samelian idea* kb9vqf after CMake is finished of course ;-) kb9vqf CMake makes it easy to do that kb9vqf split off part of a module samelian yes, we have BUILD_KITCHENSYNC flag anyway kb9vqf ok samelian I will switch to OFF by default, even if BUILD_ALL is activated kb9vqf ok kb9vqf that is a sensible policy for all deprecated code samelian kb9vqf: actually I will remove CMakeLists.txt from kitchensync, at all samelian because I cannot build it kb9vqf keep them in for now kb9vqf I can build it here kb9vqf for testing kb9vqf unless the source itself is completely broken ;-) samelian hmm, I will try, but because I can test it, will fail probably samelian can't* kb9vqf i can do simple fixes samelian ok, I will try to make it blindly :) kb9vqf since it's obsolete anyway people shouldn't expect it to work :) samelian sure *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: thanks to gentoo guys, who keeping older versions in portage tree, kitchensync was built finally samelian note that you need libopensync-0.22 kb9vqf right kb9vqf I already have a special debian package for it :) samelian hehe, ok kb9vqf thanks samelian remained only docs and kontact, and fukin' kdepim is finished :) *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf GREAT kb9vqf so those two items still remain? kb9vqf i.e. still need to be done? samelian kb9vqf: actually I just finished docs samelian now remained only kontact samelian kb9vqf: I think you can trigger kdepim build, to detect bugs samelian do not forget to activate all WITH_* options kb9vqf OK kb9vqf will do kb9vqf samelian: did you want admin rights to the forum? kb9vqf i moved it to a non public URL for cleanup samelian i think I will not have time for it kb9vqf ok kb9vqf i'll leave it deactivated for now kb9vqf if anyone wants to take over anti-spam/admin stuff let me know *kb9vqf does not think he will have enough time either kb9vqf personally I like the mailing lists :) samelian hehe, old fashion :) kb9vqf but so much easier to use IMHO samelian maybe for us kb9vqf seems so kb9vqf i know other people prefer fora kb9vqf but I never seem to check them frequently MutantTurkey what a great game! MutantTurkey kb9vqf: got a nice email from a guy named tony today, was really encouraging and he seems like a nice dude *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-23T05:19:28Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *JohnR has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26_ has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Can you convert a small library to CMake for me? samelian kb9vqf: sure kb9vqf ok kb9vqf it's in my secondary SVN tree kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main/dependencies/dbus-tqt kb9vqf samelian: Do you have an SVN account on that server? samelian ok samelian wait samelian i dont't kb9vqf ok kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf samelian: OK, check your Email samelian ok kb9vqf samelian: Also, I don't think the source code for that package will compile as-is; I just got done with initial TQt conversion and it needs cleanup work still kb9vqf But, I can't compile it with Autotools, so I need initial CMake support before I can fix the source itself ;-) samelian kb9vqf: ok kb9vqf thanks kb9vqf poke me when you have something in SVN :) kb9vqf it needs TQt kb9vqf not sure what else samelian will take few hours, I think kb9vqf sure kb9vqf take your time samelian kb9vqf: how I will checkout it? kb9vqf samelian: Do you need the CMake externals added to that directory? samelian yes samelian for detecting tqt and qt kb9vqf samelian: svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main/dependencies/dbus-tqt . --username=samelian kb9vqf hang on while I add the externals kb9vqf samelian: OK kb9vqf externals are in samelian ok kb9vqf samelian: You may want to update your working copy kb9vqf I had forgotten to rename some header files samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: the library will be named libdbus-tqt.so ? kb9vqf samelian: yes samelian libdbus-tqt.so.0.0.0 ? kb9vqf ok with me samelian ok kb9vqf although I have never seen a library with that version number before... samelian kb9vqf: your svn is not synchronized with svn.kde? kb9vqf samelian: no kb9vqf this is more convenient for me with respect to rapidly changing packages kb9vqf once something has been stabilized I might move it to the KDE SVN samelian please sync TDEMacros.cmake samelian from kde to yuor kb9vqf samelian: the external directory is synced kb9vqf svn up should do the trick samelian i see kb9vqf looks like you might be running into the problem that drives me nuts when I use the KDE SVN kb9vqf specifically a delay of up to 5 minutes samelian ah, probably kb9vqf that's the main reason I have this package in my local SVN repo kb9vqf :) kb9vqf all those 5 minute delays add up fast samelian seem ok now kb9vqf yes kb9vqf makes sense kb9vqf you were close to the 10:10 CDT sync time *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Xu_R|School: Any progress on finding the Konsole bug? Xu_R|School sorry kb9vqf: none so far. thought I had something but it didn't seem right... kb9vqf ok Xu_R|School btw, kb9vqf, are the ubutnu trinity nightly builds working? Xu_R|School *ubuntu kb9vqf for kdelibs & kdebase samelian kb9vqf: what is qdbusconnection.tqmoc? kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf looks like a generated file kb9vqf where is it? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: OK, because I am impatient and cannot wait for my server to build everything correctly ;) samelian but why *tmoc insteat 8moc? kb9vqf samelian: Probably one of the automated conversion glitches kb9vqf it should be .moc samelian you can convert it to .moc? samelian prefixed with "t" ? kb9vqf samelian: It should be .moc kb9vqf I ran the source through my automated Qt-->TQt conversion process kb9vqf and there are still some problems samelian aha kb9vqf Xu_R|School: kdepim is going to be added to the nightly builds soon kb9vqf I just have to figure out a libcaldav detection problem Xu_R|School kb9vqf: :D samelian kb9vqf: we can move header files to root of dbus-tqt? kb9vqf samelian: sure kb9vqf why not samelian because they are separate, automoc can't generate it kb9vqf the rest of the tqtinterface has all its headers in include/ samelian please, do it kb9vqf ok kb9vqf hang on Xu_R|School laters, lunch is over :) kb9vqf samelian: done samelian thx kb9vqf samelian: can I delete the admin directory now? kb9vqf or do you need it still? samelian sure samelian i do not need it kb9vqf ok kb9vqf samelian: Do you need any of the automake files right now? kb9vqf Or can I purge them? samelian delete it kb9vqf ok samelian kb9vqf: TQ_EXPORT is defined somewhere? kb9vqf samelian: Yes kb9vqf It should be part of TQT samelian aha samelian kb9vqf: TQT_STATIC_CONST missing samelian same for TQ_SIGNALS kb9vqf samelian: Which files? samelian TQ_SLOTS, TQT_STATIC_CONST_IMPL kb9vqf right kb9vqf those are all incorrect conversions samelian In file included from /home/serghei/projects/svn.trinitydesktop.org/tqdbusconnection.cpp:27:0: samelian /home/serghei/projects/svn.trinitydesktop.org/tqdbusconnection.h:656:5: error: 'TQT_STATIC_CONST' does not name a type kb9vqf like I said, the conversion was very rough kb9vqf samelian: Do you have preliminary CMake support available? kb9vqf It might be best to commit what you have samelian sort of kb9vqf then let me try to build it samelian hang on kb9vqf and fix the TQt conversion bugs samelian kb9vqf: commited kb9vqf ok kb9vqf I'll poke you when I have a better TQt conversion commited samelian ok kb9vqf samelian: How do I build? kb9vqf normally I submit a job to the build system kb9vqf this time I can't samelian just cmake /path/to/dbus-tqt kb9vqf ok kb9vqf then make? kb9vqf seems so kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thz kb9vqf *thx kb9vqf samelian: ok, compilation seems to work now kb9vqf linking is broken, but I would expect that since you are not done with CMake yet :) samelian ok, i will update svn tree and I will try to finish it kb9vqf ok samelian kb9vqf: I have a strange problem samelian /var/tmp/dbus-tqt.build/tqdbusconnection_p.moc.cpp:22:52: error: no 'const char* TQT_DBusConnectionPrivate::className() const' member function declared in class 'TQT_DBusConnectionPrivate' samelian /var/tmp/dbus-tqt.build/tqdbusconnection_p.moc.cpp:27:41: error: ISO C++ does not permit 'QObject::metaObj' to be defined as 'TQT_DBusConnectionPrivate::metaObj' samelian I'm not sure how to handle it kb9vqf samelian: I know what that is :) kb9vqf In tqdbusconnection_p.h look for TQ_OBJECT kb9vqf above it put Q_OBJECT samelian aha kb9vqf did that fix it? *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian hang on samelian kb9vqf: seems ok now, thc samelian thx kb9vqf np kb9vqf how far along are you? kb9vqf just curious :) samelian almost done, at linking stage kb9vqf great! samelian I was blocked by Q_OBJECT problem *kb9vqf wants to update kdebase soon to use this instead of the original dbus-qt3 source kb9vqf that way I can build kdebase for Qt4 :) samelian i see samelian kb9vqf: shared library is done samelian i have some compiling problem with dbusxml2qt3 samelian you can check? kb9vqf sure kb9vqf commit it? samelian yes kb9vqf samelian: there is some bad code in there kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf samelian: Fixed in SVN samelian ok kb9vqf the original authors decided it would be a good idea to use "signals" as a variable name :-P kb9vqf problem is "signals" is a reserved Qt keyword kb9vqf not sure why it didn't show up before samelian hehe samelian kb9vqf: dbusxml2qt3 done kb9vqf ok kb9vqf let me build check... samelian I will made .pc file a little later kb9vqf ok kb9vqf if I wanted to make the .pc file how would I do that? kb9vqf e.g. an example? kb9vqf samelian: I added the .pc file for you kb9vqf it's in SVN if you want to make sure it is correct :)P *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School looks like we got attention from Mageia :D kb9vqf ? Xu_R|School someone from Mageia wants to import Trinity 3.5.12 into the Mageia repositories Xu_R|School or package Trinity for them, at least. *kb9vqf has never heard of Mageia Xu_R|School Mandriva fork kb9vqf ah Xu_R|School they've released 2 alphas kb9vqf so they don't think KDE4 is easy to use, eh? kb9vqf :) Xu_R|School and they have a very wide dev community - if they can include trinity, it would boost support here Xu_R|School yup :) kb9vqf sounds good to me kb9vqf they should find it much easier to do with CMake ;-) Xu_R|School Yes - but knowing that SVN is unstable, they wish to push out Trinity before release Xu_R|School so, i'm guessing 3.5.12 - with some random autoconf and automake workarounds - and then we should find a Trinity in Mageia (hoping they go through with it) kb9vqf oh, ok kb9vqf well, if they want to fight with Autohell it's their perrogative :-P Xu_R|School yup lol kb9vqf *prerogative *kb9vqf has lots of IRC lag today Xu_R|School ah. samelian kb9vqf: pc file seems fine samelian i think you can remove dbus-1-qt3.pc.in kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thanks samelian INSTALL is outdated as well samelian not sure what is stamp-h.in and subdirs *saleem has joined #trinity-desktop saleem hi, i installed trinity packages on wheezy, all went smooth but synaptic will not run with root password , how do i fix it? saleem here are some pastes also http://dpaste.com/524962/ saleem kb9vqf : would you please guide me how to fix this issue? *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf saleem: It looks like you are not running those commands from within an X session kb9vqf if you are on a text mode virtual terminal, use sudo instead of gksudo saleem kb9vqf, its a kind of general issue, tried running konqueror as root and it refused to accept root pw also kb9vqf if you become root through 'su root' or similar it won't work saleem alt+f2 kdesu konqueror ....root pass word.....doesnt run either kb9vqf saleem: try this kb9vqf from within your running Trinity desktop, start Konsole kb9vqf then type kdesu konqueror / saleem ok kb9vqf pastebin the output for m kb9vqf *me saleem ok saleem it tells me icorrect password, try again, and when i cancel it there is no output on console kb9vqf saleem: Are you typing your password or the root password? saleem the root password kb9vqf try your password kb9vqf sudo usually wants your password saleem tried that also, same error saleem same happens to syanptic kb9vqf what happens if you run 'sudo konqueror /' instead? saleem it says im not sudoers file. This incident will be reported. kb9vqf there's your problem kb9vqf you don't have permission to use sudo kb9vqf you will need to become root, then issue the 'visudo' command and add yourself as a superuser saleem but konqueror and synaptic should run with root password , isnt it so normally ? kb9vqf Trinity uses sudo saleem ic kb9vqf normally sudo does not allow you to enter the root password saleem i will get sudo then kb9vqf I am aware debian does things a bit differently normally saleem and report back kb9vqf but I am not a true Debian maintainer :-) kb9vqf I use Ubuntu for daily tasks, and tend not to catch Debian-specific glitches saleem but in konsole trinity is accepting root password for apt commands kb9vqf what apt command are you running exactly? saleem kb9vqf, im trying to make a trinity kde minimal remaster on top of antiX, i have some observations , i will appreciate if you read this thread please saleem http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=29861&start=20 kb9vqf sorry, I'm not very familiar with the environment you are using saleem norma apt-commands, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade etc, they work fine with root password on konsole kb9vqf saleem: So you do not use sudo with them? saleem no kb9vqf well that's part of the problem kb9vqf apt-get must have a mechanism to ask for the root password kb9vqf Trinity does not saleem i have to use sudo everywhere kb9vqf no, but apt-get is the exception, not the rule kb9vqf I was not even aware that apt-get had that functionality kb9vqf like I said I don't use Debian on a daily basis, so I don't know what they did to the authentication system to make it work that way kb9vqf it is quite different from Ubuntu though kb9vqf you should probably ask on the mailing list saleem this made it possible for me to install and work on trinity environment without sudo kb9vqf we have some real Debian users there that can help much more than I can :) saleem or else i would have been stuck not knowing that trinity uses sudo kb9vqf it is possible that Trinity has a bug (i.e. it might need to fall back to su or similar) kb9vqf but I wouldn't know about it kb9vqf Like I said, check with the mailing list kb9vqf the other Debian users there are quite helpful saleem i will sure because if i want a working and functional trinity remaster i must fix these glitches on it saleem interesting saleem now sudo complains of another issue saleem (synaptic:7081): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 saleem i can run synaptic now after installing sux and running synaptic as sux MutantTurkey o/ *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2054326/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.kdepim-trinity_4%3A3.5.13-0ubuntu7%2Br1225672%2Bpr118_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf kdepim is failing for some reason samelian i will check kb9vqf thanks samelian wait, I will finish kdepim in few minutes kb9vqf ok samelian kdepim is officially done K`zan Errr, it has been working just fine here?!? samelian kb9vqf: I think I fixed FTBFS samelian kb9vqf: seems that you have an error in cmake arguments: -DWITH_ARTS="ON"="ON" samelian K`zan: what do you mean? kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thanks kb9vqf samelian: I have another small library for you to convert to CMake samelian hit me :) kb9vqf hang on while I get it into SVN kb9vqf I'm trying to figure out its relation to the library you just finished samelian i see kb9vqf samelian: svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main/dependencies/dbus-tqt-1 --username=samelian kb9vqf I still need to remove the Automake cruft kb9vqf and as usual it may or may not compile samelian ok kb9vqf samelian: It also looks like one of your more recent commits messed up the tqtinterface build: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3415/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.libtqtinterface_4:3.5.13-0ubuntu7+r1225595+pr120_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz samelian kb9vqf: I think I fixed tqtinterface kb9vqf ok kb9vqf let me rebuild it *xto___ has joined #trinity-desktop xto___ W: GPG error: http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 43F1DC4F2B8638D0 QuickBuild Trinity Desktop Environment kb9vqf did you install the Trinity archive keys? kb9vqf (step #2 here http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian) xto___ Hi, i suppose yes as It is the first time I get this error msg xto___ sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 2B8638D0 xto___ Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys 2B8638D0 xto___ gpg: requesting key 2B8638D0 from hkp server keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net xto___ gpg: key 2B8638D0: "QuickBuild Trinity Desktop Environment" not changed xto___ gpg: Total number processed: 1 xto___ gpg: unchanged: 1 xto___ apt-get update xto___ snip xto___ Hit http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze Release xto___ Get:2 http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze Release [22.1 kB] xto___ Ign http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze Release xto___ Hit http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main Sources xto___ Hit http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main i386 Packages xto___ Ign http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main Sources/DiffIndex xto___ Ign http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex xto___ Hit http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main Sources xto___ Hit http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze/main i386 Packages xto___ Fetched 317 B in 11s (29 B/s) xto___ Reading package lists... Done xto___ W: GPG error: http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 43F1DC4F2B8638D0 QuickBuild Trinity Desktop Environment xto___ Just to inform you that there must something wrong ;-) xto___ Wow that was fast, seems to work now!!!!!!!! xto___ Good night, and keep up the good work. *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki kb9vqf: the translations repos from ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net are down for Debian Squeeze, but the regular package repos seem fine Piki just tried refreshing the package lists via synaptic samelian kb9vqf: I commited a preliminary cmake port for dbus-tqt-1 samelian there is a compile error in moc files Piki kb9vqf: you should really move off of KDE's svn :-) it's always d/cing me Piki very unreliable Piki good news is, i've got a working Ark install, just need to talk to our head dev about getting my network working (my DHCP broke with one of the updates), so you guys will have a bit more help with testing/finding bugs and cmake porting kb9vqf One step at a time.... :-) Piki kb9vqf: i can grab svn in debian and build in Ark :-) kb9vqf hehe Piki no telling when our dev will appear, though he has been on our channel the past couple weekends Piki kb9vqf: btw, i don't know if this is Debian or trinity, but on Squeeze stable with TDE 3.5.12, things seem a bit laggy at times. i did a basic install (base system, laptop, and ssh server, but no gui or anything else), added the lines for trinity to sources.list from the install instructions, and from there installed trinity and x.org kb9vqf probaby debian kb9vqf check your CPU usage Piki sometimes when i click or type something, it takes a moment to respond kb9vqf I bet Xorg is using a lot of CPU kb9vqf what graphics device are you using? Piki i've been keeping top running in a VT, so far my CPU is <4% Piki an intel device, lemme get the model from lspci kb9vqf ah, intel kb9vqf yuck kb9vqf I see something similar on my Intel system Piki those have worked quite well for me kb9vqf you do know about the EXA/XAA/etc problems, right? Piki not very good for graphics-intensive apps, but is very responsive otherwise Piki kb9vqf: no kb9vqf ah kb9vqf there was a time not too long ago when the Intel driver changed 2D acceleration methods kb9vqf Debian picked up on that change IIRC kb9vqf for some people it made things faster, for others it made them slower, and still others found Xorg to be unstable :-P kb9vqf I don't remember the details OTOH kb9vqf but the "my Xorg is slow" problem sounds familiar Piki it seemed much faster in Lenny kb9vqf right Piki in fact, my main problem in Lenny was sound kb9vqf that used the old accel method kb9vqf theoretically there is an Xorg.conf flag that can be used to change the accel method Piki now, my sound problem seems fixed (except that it sounds like it passes gas for certain events) Piki and it's graphics kb9vqf http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597696 Piki that are giving my troubles, though all seems fine if i switch to a VT kb9vqf here is some additional info on accel modes http://www.nixternal.com/intel-945-video-hint/ Piki eh? desktop effects fixes the problem? seems to have the opposite effect in Ark -- enabling them makes my GUI unbearably slow, while disabling them makes things run perfectly, and that's with KDE4 Piki (as perfectly as possible with KDE4) kb9vqf 2D accel kb9vqf Personally Intel has always been flaky for m kb9vqf *me kb9vqf on older distros they are perfect kb9vqf but on the newer distros it seems to be one problem after another Piki Intel video doesn't do well in windows with the Aero enabled or with graphics-intensive games, but works quite well in Linux Piki in Windows 7 running World of Warcraft on my current card, i averages about 21FPS, but in Linux under wine, i average about 33FPS Piki with spikes up to 40FPS Piki my windows test was the login screen, my linux test was running around semi-crowded aread of the game on a freind's account Piki so linux would probably get higher at the login screen *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop Tekk_ what's the flag I need for building tqt? It keeps saying that I need to specify a qt version and the variable to set doesn't seem to be in the readme kb9vqf Tekk_: I think samelian just changed that; you can try using -DWITH_QT3="ON" but if that doesn't work then you need to wait until tomorrow to ask him kb9vqf we've both been working on CMake today so it may not be 100% right now in SVN Tekk_ yeah, that seems to be it kb9vqf ok Tekk_ thanks Piki also -DQTDIR=/opt/qt -DQT_LIBRARY_DIRS=/opt/qt/lib Tekk_ mhm Piki ugh, keep getting d/ced from kde svn Tekk_ yep Piki i may need to grab my svn script Tekk_ Piki: it's apparently affecting all of anonsvn Tekk_ I was in #kde asking about it earlier :P Piki i'll get my script uploaded if anyone is interested. it's a bash script that will loop through until it either gets the CTRL+C signal or a success signal from the command being run, or until it reachs a max number of retries Tekk_ ah, nice Xu_R|Away kb9vqf: I've been trying to communicate with Mageia Devs Xu_R|Away oops Xu_R kb9vqf: Trinity cannot be installed alongsite KDE4 if in /usr, correct? Xu_R I'm going through a hell of a time trying to convince these people, they're so branched. Tekk_ how do I apply the qt3 patch? Tekk_ it seems to be going across multiple files in that single diff file Xu_R Tekk_: untar the qt3 tarball Tekk_ Xu_R: mhm Xu_R Tekk_: then, without cd-ing to the qt3 directory Xu_R patch -Np0 -i pathtopatch.patch Tekk_ mhm Xu_R then you've patched it... Tekk_ oh cool Tekk_ thanks Xu_R !seen kb9vqf tbottu kb9vqf was last seen 14 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying 'ok' in #trinity-desktop. *Xu_R will wait a while then - he has to explain it somehow on mageia-dev Piki http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21651433/trinity-svn-up <-- nothing fancy, just a bash script loop to cd to the svn dir, run "svn cleanup" as a safety, and then "svn up" Piki it'll check for CTRL+C and a success signal Piki you can replace the cd and svn commands with whatever, i found that from someone who wrote it for rsync and i changed it for svn Xu_R kb9vqf: oh, and that konsole bug - I think I'm getting close to the area - I bisected the changes from 3.5.10 to 3.5.11... seems like a good place for something to hide. Piki one quirk i just discovered: if you try to do "sh trinity-svn-up". it will give an error about sigint, but if you set it to executable and do "./trinity-svn-up", it's fine Xu_R Piki: on debian? Remember, debian sh uses dash, not bash *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop Piki Tekk_: did you get the link to my svn script? Tekk_ Piki: yeah Tekk_ thanks for that :D Piki Tekk_: make sure you set it to executable and run it as "./trinity-svn-up", using "sh trinity-svn-up" will give you a sigint error Tekk_ yeah Tekk_ oh Tekk_ weird Tekk_ okay Xu_R kb9vqf: here's a start: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity/kdebase/konsole/konsole/konsole.cpp?annotate=1181781&diff_format=h#l3620 I've compared the initial branch from 3.5.10 to this one, so if the background isn't changing it might just be a TQt bug Piki Tekk_: oh, and i don't know if you looked inside the script, but make sure you change the "cd /home/piki/trinity" command inside the to point to your svn copy Tekk_ mhm Tekk_ actually I'm just waiting for qt3 to build atm :P Tekk_ hoping that getting rid of the -j flag gets rid of the problem Tekk_ agh Tekk_ error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3 Tekk_ is qt3 a dependency for qt3? O.o Xu_R no... *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop Tekk_ are there any plans on moving from svn to git? *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Xu_R: Hi kb9vqf 3.5.11 works fine kb9vqf so does 3.5.12 kb9vqf the problem is between 3.5.12 and HEAD Tekk_ actually this is probably a good place to ask... Tekk_ when I build the patched qt3(haven't tested the unpatched) it always fails, starting with Tekk_ /qt-x11-free-3.3.8b/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Tekk_ is qt3 for some reason a dependency of qt3? O.o Xu_R kb9vqf: AH, ok. I looked in the wrong place ;) kb9vqf oh, oops :) Xu_R xD kb9vqf no, bisect from 3.5.12 to HEAD kb9vqf you will probably find it this time :) Xu_R hehe, maybe :) Xu_R but it is late now, and i've got a precalculus test to not fail tomorrow morning :-\ I will try to find it during lunch tmrw then. Xu_R kb9vqf: night! kb9vqf gn *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop *saleem has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|Away has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|Away_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *John_Matrix has joined #trinity-desktop affect please please tell me it's possible to fix that desktop crash issue in tde affect I updated all packages and it still does samelian affect: without backtrace, we can't help you too much affect should I install additional packages to get a backtrace? affect I guess I didn't have it last time I checked samelian not sure, I think depends by distro affect hm, arch affect hm I guess I need libbacktrace but it pulls liblogfile dep which can't be downloaded since the corresponding server isn;t responding affect gee *mutantturkey has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey o/ affect \o/ affect are you by chance responsible for desktop crash on startup? mutantturkey yessir mutantturkey a while ago i think David Rankin was dealing with it but i haven't spoken to him in a while affect I remember having read somewhere that it was fixed but I'm still getting it in arch after upgrade affect but wait I just installed libbacktrace, maybe it'll spit up something useful *affect has joined #trinity-desktop affect http://pastebin.com/UFdb1TZ3 affect hopefully it makes sense for anyone mutantturkey did you check the mailing list logs? mutantturkey I feel like someone also did a backtrace, you might want to compare see if it's the same issue ( probably is) mutantturkey I don't know if its been fixed yet. mutantturkey then I say report a bug in our trackert mutantturkey tbottu: bugs? tbottu mutantturkey: Well, Bugs are treated differently mutantturkey D: mutantturkey http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/ affect You tried to access the address http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page. affect wat mutantturkey oh sorry affect http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL affect lolz mutantturkey It looks like tim hasn't forwarded it mutantturkey yes :) mutantturkey thats the old trinity domain :p mutantturkey affect: i am reading through the ml logs now affect http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=137 tbottu Bug 137 maj, P3, ---, kb9vqf, RESO FIXED, KDesktop crashes on load affect looks like it's the one mutantturkey yep mutantturkey affect: that looks a bit old, do you suppose the problem is different? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop affect duno, I'm not really keen on linux hacking affect more like a php coder mutantturkey I'm not so keen on php myself :p mutantturkey well here is what i say, report a new bug and attach the backtrace. mutantturkey we definitely know about the problem but reporting it will make sure it gets fixed up in the next few bug squash days probably affect oh I will mutantturkey okay great! :) mutantturkey thanks. mutantturkey samelian: how do we go about applying patches to souce with cmake? mutantturkey or should we just apply them and upload the revised source code. there are a few diffs in kolourpaint samelian mutantturkey: not sure samelian ask Tim mutantturkey i think if we apply them and upload the revised source code it would be easiest mutantturkey OK. mutantturkey kb9vqf: do we apply patches and upload the patched code, or just keep applying the patches? *John_Matrix has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey mornin' John_Matrix John_Matrix another weird issue is that I sometimes get windows with no borders/titlebars so I can neither move nor resize them John_Matrix x restart helps, tho mutantturkey oh weird mutantturkey well, report that also then mutantturkey sorry i cannot be of more help affect yeah I understand affect but what bothers me the most is that I can't play stuff with amarok affect and i'm not sure if it's on tde or arch side mutantturkey arch? mutantturkey :D :D :D :D :D :D affect wat mutantturkey archlinux, only the greatest distro evar affect well I prefer gentoo but decided to give arch a try since it's kinda faster ofc affect the thing is that gentoo still has real kde3 in one of it's overlays and arch only has tde mutantturkey that is not true mutantturkey arch has kdemod3 mutantturkey well, wait nevermind, i guess kdemod3 is now trinity also :o affect yeah mutantturkey :| affect and since I can't use that bloated kde4 crap and somehow gnome doesn't like me either I have to either fix tde here or stick with gentoo's kde3 affect recent gui development tendencies suck anyway mutantturkey I concur mutantturkey I do fine xfce4.8 usable though, but not configurable like 3.5x affect it's like they take all what's been evolving for 25 years and flush it down the toilet mutantturkey pretty much affect AND THEN they take a fucking diarrhea dump which is really smelly affect varnish it affect and here you go affect new and shiny mutantturkey yep. affect and fucking unusable affect assholes mutantturkey yes. mutantturkey we thoroughly agree with you in all aspects mutantturkey hence the project! affect yeah it's really nice affect looks like you don't have many devs tho mutantturkey well actually mutantturkey we are getting mroe and more help mutantturkey alot of people are stepping up with non programming stuff, mostly tim and samelian are our programmers. mutantturkey but we undergoing a gigantic effort to replace autoconf with cmake which is holding us up. mutantturkey Tim is also getting closer and closer to having it all ported to Qt4 affect nice affect too bad I was always too lazy for linux coding mutantturkey yeah mutantturkey D: I was always to lazy for C++ mutantturkey I avoid OO programming at all costs. mutantturkey straight C for me and nothing else affect I like neither straight C nor OO affect prefer mostly script langs mutantturkey I don't do much with scripting, I don't really like the overhead affect although I got kinda tired of coding lately. took a timeout, bought me a graphics tablet affect too bad I don't have a talent to draw xD mutantturkey :p mutantturkey I am not good with any arts either. code is art enough for me. affect I liked coding, but as soon as it became my job I started hating it affect sigh mutantturkey yes mutantturkey my problem right now. mutantturkey do i go to school for programming or not D: mutantturkey but i just don't want to learn windows and i want to avoid the whole .net crap affect yeah, fuck it mutantturkey so now i need to find a different career path affect well I got my computer science bachelors degree affect but it was pretty much useless anyway mutantturkey from where? affect the university affect ohh it was boring mutantturkey D: affect 80 year olds teaching pascal and borland c++ 3.1 affect and crap like this mutantturkey oh my god. mutantturkey that is awful. affect I learned most of programming myself anyway affect university was just to get a degree mutantturkey yeah, I already know C, fine with bash and all the, I can be an admin, do all the unix stuff you'll ever need. mutantturkey its just for the degress mutantturkey degree's affect yeah affect I'd rather do some programming courses/certifications instead mutantturkey yes mutantturkey I don't think they carry as much weight mutantturkey and I don't really feel liek getting my linux admin certs mutantturkey because I don't really want to be an admin mutantturkey I just want to write linux code all days :o affect yeah too bad you can't live on pure enthusiasm affect money is still a dependency mutantturkey that is true *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop Tekk_ I'm having a problem, whenever I run cmake on kdelibs it always says that my qt isn' Tekk_ t patched for tqt Tekk_ even though I did kb9vqf samelian: ^^^^^^^^ Tekk_ and yeah, I made sure that my paths were all set for the qt installation ;P samelian kb9vqf: I will check, I think something happens when qt4 support was added kb9vqf ok thanks *Tekk__ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *BahoUtot has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: I think i found the problem samelian we should not set defaults for QT_INCLUDE_DIRS and QT_LIBRARY_DIRS samelian these are detected based on QTDIR environment variable kb9vqf including the qt3/qt4 suffix? samelian I think kb9vqf I don't want to maintain two different packaging trees for Qt3/Qt4 Tekk_ samelian: will that fix work like right now? Tekk_ not doing -DQT_INCLUDE_DIRS samelian Tekk_: yes, hang on samelian kb9vqf: qt4 uses QTDIR as well? kb9vqf I don' tknow kb9vqf most likely samelian in any case, setting path to qt should be packager prerogative kb9vqf I don't want to have to change the flags between the Qt3 and Qt4 versions kb9vqf If I have to do that then I have to maintain two separate packaging trees samelian automated guessing is evil :) BahoUtot Can anyone help with a qt3 tqtinterface question ? samelian kb9vqf: I will think how to handle this Tekk_ BahoUtot: working on it :) kb9vqf ok Tekk_ samelian: what file should I be editing to get rid of those checks? samelian no file, I will commit in svn in few seconds Tekk_ alright Tekk_ say when it's gone through :P BahoUtot ok I haven't been able to build trinity, it says my Qt3 is not patched. I am looking to see if I have the right Qt3 one samelian commited, wait few minutes until svn is synchronized Tekk_ BahoUtot: we know Tekk_ BahoUtot: did you manually build your qt3? Tekk_ if not, it's not patched ;P Tekk_ well, build it yourself and apply the patch BahoUtot Ok I just thought I farted something uo and I was not current Tekk_ you aren't current, technically BahoUtot Where is the patch? Tekk_ http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TQtForQt3 BahoUtot Thanks I'll have a go at it Tekk_ BahoUtot: put it in the same directory your trinity folder is in Tekk_ then apply with patch -Np0 -i qt3_3.3.8c.diff BahoUtot Ok I just d/l'd it.. I had a qt3_3.3.8c.diff patch already maybe not the right one. Tekk_ BahoUtot: ah Tekk_ no, you have the right one Tekk_ you need an svn update, the files were messed up Tekk_ we're waiting for it to be all ready right now, actually BahoUtot I do an svn update then try to build trinity (daily) Tekk_ BahoUtot: yeah, the problem being that it was just fixed Tekk_ literally JUST fixed BahoUtot OK I think I understand BahoUtot I justed diffed the two patches I have and they are didfferent so I'll try the one I just d/l'd Tekk_ update went through Tekk_ samelian: still no Tekk_ I guess I'll manually edit and see if I can gut out that test samelian Tekk_: same error? Tekk_ samelian: yeah samelian show me CMakeError.log Tekk_ samelian: cmake files are ugly O.o samelian hehe samelian are pretty nice and poweful, actually Tekk_ http://dpaste.com/525356/ Tekk_ bleh, my name slipped in...whatever, you all get it when I connect anyway :P samelian Tekk_: seems that you still using old cmake files Tekk_ samelian: O.o Tekk_ oh samelian update your svn tree again Tekk_ probably have a cache somewhere Tekk_ or maybe that Tekk_ samelian: nope, still Tekk_ obvious time Tekk_ cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/trinity -DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON -DWITH_QT3=ON -DQTDIR=/opt/qt -DBUILD_ALL=on Tekk_ is that a good cmake line? Tekk_ or do I need to do the include dir stuff? samelian show me FindQt.cmake samelian your line it's ok Tekk_ http://dpaste.com/525357/ Tekk_ pull didn't help :P samelian seems fine as well samelian what you try to compile? Tekk_ kdelibs Tekk_ I'll try rming that dir and pulling again samelian don't forget to remove all files in build tree Tekk_ wait Tekk_ crap Tekk_ I need to build tqt first samelian ofc Tekk_ totally forgot Tekk_ sorry Tekk_ and now I'm getting that it's not patched still :P samelian the build tree was empty? Tekk_ samelian: hmm? samelian you using out-of-source, right? Tekk_ no, building the dirs samelian use out-of-source, is strongly recommended Tekk_ same with out of source samelian how you tried? Tekk_ samelian: cd ../ mkdir tqt-build cd tqt-build then the cmake line Tekk_ is that about right? samelian cmake /path/to/source, right? Tekk_ yeah samelian good samelian show me FindQt.cmake samelian which is located in tqt/cmake/modules Tekk_ yep Tekk_ http://dpaste.com/525363/ samelian hmm, seems fine Tekk_ does the cmake work on your machine? samelian of course samelian show me CMakeError.log again Tekk_ http://dpaste.com/525365/ samelian weird, you cmake still using /usr/include/qt3 as include dir Tekk_ really? O.o samelian yep Tekk_ hmm samelian give me an archive of your tqt source tree samelian i want to inspect it Tekk_ tarring Tekk_ you know a host that I can use that won't take forever? samelian hmm, i don't know Tekk_ samelian: have git installed? samelian ye samelian yes Tekk_ cool Tekk_ I'll throw it up on my gitorious Tekk_ or I would if gitorious was letting me create projects samelian hehe Tekk_ samelian: actually, I think I'll start anew with tqt Tekk_ make sure nothing can possibly be wrong Tekk_ okay, so there was something weird going on in there *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop Tekk_ okay, kdelibs aren't building now Tekk_ moc: kshortcutdialog_simple.h: No such file Tekk_ oh wait Tekk_ lemme run verbose to see if I can get anything else for you Tekk_ no, nothing extra Tekk_ cmake /home/danny/programming/trinity/kdelibs -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/trinity -DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON Tekk_ and out of source build ;P *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: around? MutantTurkey samelian: hey I have a complex command i need to issue with add_custom command. MutantTurkey it is 3 lines of some sed work, etc. I can't seem to get it right. samelian MutantTurkey: show me MutantTurkey Ok in a minute MutantTurkey here is the cmake lists, i don't think i am doing it right:http:/ix.io/1zL MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1zL samelian MutantTurkey: load file into a variable samelian then you can use string( REGEX MATCHALL MutantTurkey hmmm? samelian file( READ ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/COPYING _copying ) MutantTurkey why would we do that? MutantTurkey i need to do stuff with sed samelian you do not need sed at all MutantTurkey what do you mean? ofc i do samelian cmake have builtin replace functions MutantTurkey to load that into a variable? samelian load and process the content MutantTurkey like into a C++ variable? samelian yes MutantTurkey so file( READ ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/COPYING kpLicenseText ) ? samelian sort of samelian http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake-2-8-docs.html#command:string samelian I think first sed command can be replaced with this; samelian string( REGEX REPLACE "\"" "\\\"" kpLicenseText "${kpLicenseText}" ) MutantTurkey do i need it then? samelian sure, this command replace " with "\ MutantTurkey oj ok samelian actually, with \" MutantTurkey no go MutantTurkey string sub-command REGEX, mode REPLACE: Unknown escape "\"" in replace-expression. samelian i think should be "\\\\"" samelian or actually "\\\\\"" :) MutantTurkey :p samelian MutantTurkey: you can use this for start: http://www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2009-March/027833.html MutantTurkey would you like to add that macro? MutantTurkey samelian: hmmm, now this does not seem to make any more sense than sed samelian hehe samelian ok, forget it for the moment MutantTurkey haha ok :p samelian I will try to make a macro for this kind of tasks, tomorrow MutantTurkey now i am back to being stuck D: MutantTurkey ok thank you. MutantTurkey I will just wait :p I only have a few more things to do in kdegraphics so I really am just waiting on that i think MutantTurkey I have been so busy for these few weeks i have had almost no time samelian what you want to port, after kdegraphics are finished? samelian I think kdegames should be easy enough Tekk_ samelian: you have some time? Tekk_ kdelibs is failing to build MutantTurkey samelian: good idea samelian Tekk_: I just tested, compiling on my machine MutantTurkey something that nobody cares about :) MutantTurkey so i can take my time samelian sure :) Tekk_ samelian: and it works? O.o samelian ofc samelian show me your output samelian to check where fail Tekk_ I'd guess something's wrong with the listed build order then Tekk_ sec Tekk_ rebuilding, it was something about a missing include file samelian i see samelian source tree is clean? Tekk_ mhm Tekk_ oh wait Tekk_ I tried building in the tree before samelian aha samelian maybe is polluted with some generated files Tekk_ I'll try that :D Tekk_ yeah MutantTurkey Tekk_: yes, that could be a problem ;) samelian I should forbid in-source building at all Tekk_ yeah samelian too many problems with in-source MutantTurkey samelian: agreed. Tekk_ samelian: moc: kshortcutdialog_simple.h: No such file Tekk_ clean source tree, built arts and tqt Tekk_ in kdelibs ;P samelian Tekk_: i need entire output Tekk_ samelian: http://pastebin.com/283Ewa7x Tekk_ error.log samelian errors are ok Tekk_ hmmmm samelian i need output of build Tekk_ oh samelian at least, relevant lines Tekk_ http://pastebin.com/cpuu5z1J samelian Tekk_: actually the error is this :) samelian opt/qt/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3 Tekk_ ah samelian LD_LIBRARY_PATH are correctly set to qt3 lib dir? Tekk_ hold on, lemme check Tekk_ there we go Tekk_ I had trinity but not qt samelian so, from now out-of-source building are mandatory MutantTurkey samelian: what sections are not yet ported to cmake? samelian hehe, a lot samelian kdenetwork is partial samelian kdevelop almost done samelian kwebdev, partial samelian kdeutils, partial samelian and the rest, not touched yet MutantTurkey ok Mias cewl, it w0rx MutantTurkey yai tatz s0 h4x0rs! Mias after solving http://pastebin.com/2hhkqfr1 Mias MutantTurkey: h4rr Mias but compiz --replace wont work MutantTurkey :[ Tekk_ samelian: weird, kdebase isn't working. Tekk_ the makefile doesn't seem to do...anything Tekk_ I'll try repulling MutantTurkey Tekk_: what happens? MutantTurkey you need to remove in the source: CMakeCache.txt and CMakeFiles/ before you build out of source MutantTurkey yeah? MutantTurkey because it will just build in source if it see that. MutantTurkey (may not be that problem, but that has happened to me so maybe it is for you also) Mias oops my fault its already running ;) Tekk_ hmm, okay MutantTurkey Tekk_: if there are leftover CMake files in source, then you try to build out of source it might not work MutantTurkey so if you remove those two you should be good MutantTurkey if that is the problme Tekk_ I wish svn cleanup would actually tell me that it's working instead of just sitting there :/ MutantTurkey i know nothing of svn unfortunately D: MutantTurkey while in theory I enjoy versioning systems, they all just are a pain in my ass. Tekk_ git's nice MutantTurkey I use git for a few hobby projects MutantTurkey github to host Tekk_ MutantTurkey: nope, no waste files Tekk_ http://dpaste.com/525421/ cmake, aaaand http://dpaste.com/525422/ make MutantTurkey Tekk_: there is no CMakeCache.txt in your area? Tekk_ nope MutantTurkey and do make VERBOSE=1 MutantTurkey as well as show me your cmake command Tekk_ cmake /home/danny/programming/trinity/kdebase/ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/trinity -DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON Tekk_ http://dpaste.com/525423/ MutantTurkey dude MutantTurkey you need to do CMAKE DBUILD_ALL=ON Tekk_ ? Tekk_ agh MutantTurkey :) Tekk_ now it's saying it can't find tqt-dbus :/ MutantTurkey do you have it installed? Tekk_ MutantTurkey: I installed tqt Tekk_ and arts MutantTurkey Tekk_: D: are your paths right? Tekk_ should be..... MutantTurkey (sorry again samelian is the real expert, i am just a lowly apprentice) Tekk_ agh Tekk_ fsckin terminals missing losing my exports MutantTurkey ah MutantTurkey thats it MutantTurkey what terminal you use? Tekk_ oh nope Tekk_ that's not it Tekk_ it doesn't seem to be in /opt/trinity/bin O.o Tekk_ and guake, but sometimes svn gets stuck and I need to close it Tekk_ sec MutantTurkey what distro is this? Tekk_ MutantTurkey: arch Tekk_ I'm rebuilding tqt just to make sure MutantTurkey :) Tekk_ MutantTurkey: so yeah, no worries about out of date stuff ;P MutantTurkey arch is the bestsies MutantTurkey you using davids repos at all? BahoUtot MutantTurkey: Davids qt3 is borked Tekk_ nope MutantTurkey BahoUtot: oh hey there. didn't see you. Tekk_ MutantTurkey: hmm? Tekk_ oh, the kdemod3 crap? Tekk_ no BahoUtot Yes just came back MutantTurkey BahoUtot: I didn't know MutantTurkey Tekk_: Baho is one of our Arch maintainers Tekk_ ah, nice BahoUtot His qt3 patch is broken that's what gave me much grief in building tqtinterface MutantTurkey Tekk_: It is BahoUtot, David Rankin and I who are on the arch "team" Tekk_ ah Tekk_ so you have an actual trinity repo? MutantTurkey yes. Tekk_ as in not kdemod3? MutantTurkey https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity MutantTurkey kdemod is providing our stable MutantTurkey and kaitocracy is hosting us for all svn builds MutantTurkey Tekk_: read the arch wiki page, there is a lot of crap on there but it is useful (mostly :p) BahoUtot MutantTurkey: My PKGBUILDS are in http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/arch/dev/baho/ BahoUtot If you want to have a look MutantTurkey BahoUtot: did you see that we are using svn.trinitydesktop now? BahoUtot Yes I a, using svn currently MutantTurkey BahoUtot: also, you should apply all the arch patches for qt3 MutantTurkey you know? Tekk_ what sort of plans are there for konqueror? Tekk_ or do you need someone to, you know, make a proper browser? MutantTurkey Tekk_: we are going to use webkit MutantTurkey when we get to qt4 Tekk_ MutantTurkey: for konqueror? MutantTurkey Tekk_: yes Tekk_ uhhh MutantTurkey BahoUtot: nvm, that is good MutantTurkey Tekk_: i think so at least. I'd have to ask him Tekk_ MutantTurkey: actually one of the konqueror devs had a blog post about that MutantTurkey Tekk_: really? Tekk_ he pointed out that konqueror is so horribly tied to khtml that you could never get it moved to webkit Tekk_ your best bet would be arora, or a fresh browser MutantTurkey well D: that is that they said about other stuff. Tekk_ which would be fun MutantTurkey they said we could never get to Qt4 and we already are there almost MutantTurkey they said that we would die off and 3.5 was dead... so they were very wrong BahoUtot Utot3111 Tekk_ MutantTurkey: eh, I just don't tink it'd be worth it you know? BahoUtot Oops MutantTurkey Tekk_: I would making a new web browser. I have written a few already Tekk_ MutantTurkey: same Tekk_ well, one Tekk_ pygtkmozembed :D MutantTurkey BahoUtot: cage your password right now, since we all just saw it MutantTurkey Tekk_: oh, mine is in C :) Tekk_ nice MutantTurkey http://github.com/mutantturkey/sb/ MutantTurkey its like surf but tabbed pretty muchj Tekk_ oh sweet BahoUtot Whay passwd? MutantTurkey BahoUtot: what was the Utot3111? Tekk_ BahoUtot: 21:44 < BahoUtot> Utot3111 MutantTurkey Tekk_: it has broke with the latest webkit i think, not sure, how it handles new tabs is weird now Tekk_ MutantTurkey: I'd like to help you out with that, but what to write it in... BahoUtot That was an OPPS MutantTurkey but it also has history and stuff MutantTurkey Tekk_: C++ D: MutantTurkey I hate that. Tekk_ MutantTurkey: I wouldn't go with that :/ Tekk_ MutantTurkey: it's too inefficent, your bottleneck with browsers is latency MutantTurkey Tekk_: we would have to, since we'd be using TQt interface and stuff. Tekk_ you know, the network Tekk_ MutantTurkey: but you have the kdebindigs MutantTurkey Tekk_: I am all for using C but whatever. Tekk_ MutantTurkey: yeah, I'd prefer C MutantTurkey definitely BahoUtot Anyway my password is password ;) MutantTurkey BahoUtot: mine is morrison xD Tekk_ it'd be a cool idea Tekk_ to have your password 'password' Tekk_ just an md5 hash of it :D MutantTurkey Tekk_: haha Tekk_ MutantTurkey: I guess we can probably start on it at some point Tekk_ you have a gitorious account? MutantTurkey github baby Tekk_ grrr >> Tekk_ ;P MutantTurkey >.> MutantTurkey ._______. MutantTurkey you're one of those peopel. Tekk_ it's........staaaaaring MutantTurkey :p Tekk_ MutantTurkey: what people? BahoUtot md5sum of password is 286755fad04869ca523320acce0dc6a4 MutantTurkey Tekk_: it was a joke, those gitorious people Tekk_ ah Tekk_ BahoUtot: thanks MutantTurkey BahoUtot: to long to remember for me MutantTurkey Tekk_: anyway, yeah I don't know what tim is planning tbh we talked about it a bit. Tekk_ mhm BahoUtot use $(md5sum < password) to login then Tekk_ I can probably try throwing together a prototype Tekk_ if I, you know, pick up C++ and tqt :P Tekk_ and webkit MutantTurkey Tekk_: I am quite the minimalist, so i am not good at interface design MutantTurkey the way i have there is nothing Tekk_ MutantTurkey: yeah, we should change that Tekk_ so it'll blend in with it Tekk_ MutantTurkey: so, another dwm fan? MutantTurkey Tekk_: scrotwm Tekk_ ah MutantTurkey it is like dwm on roids Tekk_ mhm Tekk_ maybe I should look at awesome MutantTurkey Tekk_: http://imagebin.org/144776 Tekk_ eh, I'll stay in xfce till I have trinity MutantTurkey that is my browser ( on xfce) MutantTurkey i love 4.8 i won't lie Tekk_ ah, sweet BahoUtot Later dudes MutantTurkey BahoUtot: see you later man Tekk_ MutantTurkey: lemme grab mine Tekk_ heh MutantTurkey Tekk_: ok! :p MutantTurkey gah where is samelian when i need him D: Tekk_ gone D= Tekk_ O.o MutantTurkey i know MutantTurkey freaking no idea how to work autoconf Tekk_ ah! MutantTurkey lol it is hopeless Tekk_ MutantTurkey: had to track down all the python2 stuff :P Tekk_ and mozembed MutantTurkey I will be honest those are two things i hate. MutantTurkey python and mozilla MutantTurkey :p Tekk_ I forgot that this was broken when I left it Tekk_ MutantTurkey: I like mozilla Tekk_ and I hate python Tekk_ but there was no rubymozembed ;P MutantTurkey mozilla i always think of as bloated MutantTurkey I just don't like the memory overhead of python or ruby, and the poorer performance MutantTurkey especially since C is my favorite :) Tekk_ maybe I can checkout an old version.. MutantTurkey :p MutantTurkey of what? Tekk_ of my browser MutantTurkey oh Tekk_ O.o MutantTurkey kpdf is getting quite annoying ._. Tekk_ no, it's sedfaulting anyway MutantTurkey lo Tekk_ weird MutantTurkey lol' Tekk_ anyway, it was a browser MutantTurkey in the past Tekk_ exactly :D MutantTurkey half my projects don't build anymore MutantTurkey they are all half assed Tekk_ yep MutantTurkey thats now i like them MutantTurkey half ass means half the amount of crap. Tekk_ but it also means nasty hacks :P MutantTurkey that only work on my system xD MutantTurkey i love when people comment on my stuff in the AUR like "oh it doesn't build". yeah smd you can fix it if you want. Tekk_ mhm MutantTurkey bed time soon. MutantTurkey DAMNIT. Mias E: Paket kwin-style-serenity(-kde3) konnte nicht gefunden werden MutantTurkey i just rm -Rf'd my whole kpdf tree D: kb9vqf Mias: That package is probably not in the Trinity archives kb9vqf File a bug report at http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net Tekk_ MutantTurkey: still nothing on dbus-tqt Mias kb9vqf: can i use the old kde3 one? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey me and Tekk_ were talking about Qt4 and webkit, what is the plan for conqueror MutantTurkey Tekk_: yeah, i just lost my whole nights work. kb9vqf Mias: It may or may not work kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Replacing KHTML's innards with WebKit Mias kb9vqf: what about kttsmgr? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: ok thought so Tekk_ MutantTurkey: O.o ouch kb9vqf kttsmgr has a Trinity version Mias how called? kb9vqf or should kb9vqf hang on Mias looks as blind asx the kde4 one here, what comes up Mias -x kb9vqf Mias: File that as a bug report as well kb9vqf there is no Trinity version packaged kb9vqf It will build from source under Trinity with no problems kb9vqf but you probably want the binary packages ;-) Mias ah hmm Tekk_ anyone have an actual built tree? Tekk_ I need them to check what builds dbus-tqt MutantTurkey Tekk_: did you try looking at davids pkgbuilds? MutantTurkey see what flags he used MutantTurkey to hack it together Tekk_ ah, no, didn't occur to me MutantTurkey :) try thato ut MutantTurkey http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/websvn/filedetails.php?repname=Trinity+Packaging&path=%2Farch%2Fmaster%2Ftrinity-dbus-1-qt3%2FPKGBUILD MutantTurkey oh hmm, that is using autoconf i think MutantTurkey no idea what he did then MutantTurkey Tekk_: If no resolve if found, ask David on the mailing list ok? Tekk_ okay MutantTurkey i am going to sleep. i give up on kpdf Tekk_ night Tekk_ ah, so it seems to be a dependency that's actually not in trinity >> Mias gn8 Mias what does plymouthd? Tekk_ Mias: plymouth is a boot splash Mias lol + consuming 2%cpu all time?? *Tekk_ shrugs Tekk_ it cures cancer :D Mias this is not funny. Tekk_ Mias: well using your cpu time to cure cancer isn't out of the question Tekk_ that's all I can think of it possibly doing Mias trolling is lame + obsolete Tekk_ Mias: that's not trolling, that's wishful thinkig Tekk_ Mias: if all software was actually efficent and the rest was donated to say, cancer research, we'd have a cure within a month from MS office alone *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *doda has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop joeytwiddle Tekk_ is there a cancer-curing software? or should i just run folding@home ? *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-25T15:58:23Z">+o tbottu </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-25T15:58:35Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *affect has joined #trinity-desktop edakiri running kdevelop-trinity for the first time. It wants to be told directory containing tqt.h . Searching all Debian unstable packages, I find no tqt.h . Where is it? aalecs edakiri: you're compiling by hand ? edakiri i'm not compiling kdevelop myself, if that is what you ask, aalecs aalecs i don't know why it would ask you for a header file edakiri perhaps because of the project file I opened, aalecs? aalecs edakiri: I think is wierd, why would he ask for tqt.h. is it referenced in your project ? edakiri searching the project, it seems not to be referenced. There is no text reference. edakiri starting, also without a project file, has the same behaviour aalecs wierd aalecs i don't use kdevelop at all, so i don't know what to say *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop joeytwiddle Tekk_ what is the name of this distributed processor? Tekk_ joeytwiddle: I don't recall Tekk_ sorry *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Tekk_ has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: having some troubles with kpdf still D: MutantTurkey samelian: It looks for a conf/settings.h (which doesn't exist) the only think in the conf/Makefile.am about it is this line, preferencesdialog.lo: settings.h MutantTurkey is it generating the settings.h from preferencesdialog.lo and how do i do that with cmake? samelian "preferencesdialog.lo: settings.h" meaning that preferencesdialog.lo needs settings.h MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey well settings.h doesn't appear? samelian I think settings.h are generating somewhere else samelian show me makefile.am MutantTurkey which one? there are many samelian the one with problem MutantTurkey the one with the problem? no. there is a file that is attempting to include /conf/settings.h and it just doesn't exists MutantTurkey there is a settings.kcfgc samelian in this case, settings.h is generated automatically from settings.kcfgc MutantTurkey ok. well so should i include conf/settings.kcfgc and cmake will generate it? samelian is not included already? samelian show me Makefile.am MutantTurkey it is not included in the makefile.am afaik samelian kb9vqf: are you really sure that QT_INCLUDE_DIRS should be defaulted to a hardwired value? samelian I bet that every distribution have its own way to install qt MutantTurkey samelian: honestly the whole kpdf tree is a shitwreck. MutantTurkey shipwreck' MutantTurkey whoops :p samelian hehe MutantTurkey the xpdf doesn't even build. samelian should pe ported to poppler MutantTurkey I think it would be smarter to drop it MutantTurkey yes and go to poppler MutantTurkey writing an application is probably pretty simple with poppler, I have looked at the gtk port it is fairly simple. samelian ofc samelian poppler have support for gtk and qt MutantTurkey exactly MutantTurkey and qt3 still. MutantTurkey so I think we should just not bother with it MutantTurkey because it is such a dirtball piece of crap. samelian ok, skip it MutantTurkey ok samelian will check later what to do with it MutantTurkey good :) MutantTurkey that leaves kolourpaint i think *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: I only did that for autodetect kb9vqf We can change it in the future, but for now I need it in order to build Qt3/Qt4 simultaneously samelian kb9vqf: aha, i see kb9vqf as I absolutely refuse to maintian two separate packaging trees :) samelian ofc :) kb9vqf samelian: In the future I could see us setting -DAUTODETECT="debian" kb9vqf or -DAUTODETECT_QT="redhat" samelian i'm not sure that is good ideea to do this samelian we cannot predict which distro will appear in the future kb9vqf right kb9vqf but autodection can be turned off kb9vqf -DAUTODETECT_QT="OFF" kb9vqf that is actually the default right now samelian also, we cannot really check the detection for all distros, because i'm gentoo user, you're debian/ubuntu user kb9vqf think of it this way: if we hard code all the Qt paths then each packager (me) has to change them for all the 100+ trinity packages :-P kb9vqf it gets messy fast kb9vqf the old Automake tools searched a standard set of Qt directories kb9vqf it made packaging a LOT easier samelian i know, it was pretty bad ideea, in my opinion kb9vqf not from my perspective :) samelian bacause you using a mainstream distro kb9vqf yes, probably kb9vqf but remember it can always be shut off samelian ok kb9vqf I don't mind dealing with the autodetection code myself kb9vqf if you don't want to do it samelian my ideea is to not glue trinity with any kind of distro, should be neutral kb9vqf right kb9vqf so it really becomes a standard set of Qt directories kb9vqf in fact we could probably use the locate command to find the Qt include directory ;-) samelian hehe samelian some distros have no locate command samelian at least, not by default samelian like gentoo, for example kb9vqf well, my thought on the matter is if autodetect is manually enabled by a packager, then he or she has to make sure that the dependencies are met kb9vqf otherwise said packager gets to specify all the Qt directories manually samelian so far, QTDIR seems reliable enough samelian ok, will think about these later kb9vqf sure samelian now, about kdevelop and its csv support samelian as I see, cvs support was dropped in autotools too samelian there is no cvsclient directory under kdevelop/vcs, at least no more samelian we have only cvsservice, which is something related with cervisia, and I have no ideea what is cvsservice kb9vqf if it is not in Autotools then don't bother working on it samelian i will check what is cvsservice samelian and how to build it kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey samelian: yeah the only thing i have left is what we talked over yesterday, the macro for generating variables from those headers samelian aha MutantTurkey yeah :| samelian i has no time to make a macro for this, skip it for the moment MutantTurkey then i am all done. MutantTurkey I just need to check over formatting and such now samelian kb9vqf: QT should be detected only in tqt, then incdir and libdir for qt3 should be propagated to rest of packages samelian MutantTurkey: ok, be very careful kb9vqf samelian: I have no idea how to do that :) kb9vqf My CMake knowledge is very limited right now *kb9vqf is learning, but slowly MutantTurkey samelian: yes. i am doing all of that :p samelian i will try to implement this idea samelian MutantTurkey: and please don't use "/" terminator for directories :) samelian because they are already directories samelian the path will be /my/ugly/path//to/something samelian kb9vqf: i see that in tqt.h is hardwired "#define USE_QT3" samelian it is intentional or a mistake? kb9vqf samelian: For some reason CMake was not replacing USE_QTX with USE_QT3 kb9vqf so I hardwired it kb9vqf that version of TQt will never work with Qt4 anyway samelian actually you don't need it samelian cmake add -DUSE_QT3 in command line samelian like for -include tqt.h kb9vqf samelian: it is failing in the DBUS configure check kb9vqf USE_QT3 is not being passed there samelian then DBUS should be fixed kb9vqf yes samelian or rename tqt.h to tqt.h.cmake kb9vqf but I did not know how to do that :( samelian and put @QTVER@ in it samelian if you have problems with cmake, just ask :) samelian don't waste your time kb9vqf it was late....you were not on IRC... :) kb9vqf feel free to fix it samelian ok, dbus-tqt is in svn? kb9vqf Yes samelian ok, I will check it now kb9vqf thanks MutantTurkey samelian: i am fixing thouse all now :p MutantTurkey I stopped doing it a long time ago, just have to fix old ones samelian kb9vqf: dbus-tqt is not under dependecies? samelian i won't update all svn tree kb9vqf samelian: It is in my SVN tree samelian ah samelian put it in main svn tree kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf samelian: Committed samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: seems ok to me samelian -DUSE_QT3 argument is passed to compiler samelian or the problem is at configure stage? MutantTurkey samelian: did a first run though and fixed alot of formatting stuff. MutantTurkey i'll look again tomorrow, to often you won't see the obvious stuff :p samelian hehe MutantTurkey I need to do this: fix the djvu plugin for one thing, kolourpaint, and kpdf(?) samelian ok, try to done formatiing samelian then throw me the cmake files samelian and you and me will try to fix the rest of problems MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey well the djvu i think I can fix first kb9vqf samelian: The problem is during configure kb9vqf the little program that is run to detect dbus-tqt kb9vqf in kdebase/ConfigureCMake.txt or similar samelian ok, I will rewrite cmake for tqt from scratch samelian i was very unexperienced when a was made it *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: seems that reverse DNS problem appears again samelian Received: from vali.starlink.edu (unknown [74.84.118.180]) kb9vqf samelian: my ISP is having massive problems today kb9vqf I'm lucky I'm even online :-P kb9vqf Given how much I pay them per month I am quite upset samelian hehe samelian kb9vqf: where is located qt4 on ubuntu/debian? samelian I mean, incdir, libdir, bindir kb9vqf samelian: Look at my Qt4 default directories in FindQt.cmake :) samelian aha samelian MutantTurkey: the question about qt4 is valid for arch as well samelian kb9vqf: what you think about this setup? samelian http://paste.lug.ro/131060 samelian I think it cover by default your needs kb9vqf samelian: It's close, but I would rather it autodetect qt3/qt4 if possible, based on which version of TQt is installed kb9vqf building qt3 TDE against qt4 TQt and vice versa won't work samelian this will be propagated by default to next packages samelian based on infomations provided by tqt samelian qt will be detected only by tqt kb9vqf I don't like this part kb9vqf # kb9vqf if( NOT DEFINED QT_VERSION ) kb9vqf # kb9vqf tde_message_fatal( "You must select a Qt version, like this:\n \n cmake -DQT_VERSION=3 [arguments...]" ) kb9vqf # kb9vqf endif( ) kb9vqf oh wait, this is only for TQt samelian you propose something else? kb9vqf so arts, kdelibs, etc will not use this? samelian nope kb9vqf nope as in they will not use this or nope as in I am wrong kb9vqf ? samelian will not use samelian arts will not care about qt detection kb9vqf ok kb9vqf in that case it is perfect :) kb9vqf I was mistaken in my original thinkin samelian good kb9vqf *thinking kb9vqf it's been a long week samelian hehe samelian if you have suggestions for error messages, tell me kb9vqf not really *kb9vqf would just like it to work :) samelian hehe, ok samelian now I have much more experience kb9vqf yes kb9vqf you are our official CMake expert samelian hehe, sure *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: for qt4 we should use uic3, right? kb9vqf samelian: uic-tqt kb9vqf you should take a look at the TQt for Qt4 TP2 package samelian hmm, i can't try to find uic-tqt while I trying to build tqt kb9vqf TQt for Qt4 provides it kb9vqf TQt for Qt3 does not samelian ofc, but uic-tqt using uic or uic3? kb9vqf samelian: uic-tqt is a real binary kb9vqf created when TQt builds kb9vqf it does not call an "offical" Qt4 binary at all samelian aha, so i need to detect uic only for qt3 version kb9vqf yes samelian ok kb9vqf I absorbed all of the compat code into TQt samelian i see kb9vqf as I was worried Nokia may drop it at some point in the future samelian yes, it's very possible kb9vqf anyway, I almost have kdebase for Qt4 packages built kb9vqf so as long as CMake doesn't break too badly soon I can start working on kdepim samelian great samelian I will commit new cmake for tqt when will be complete samelian "moc are NOT found" is correct spelled? kb9vqf "moc was not found" samelian thx kb9vqf np kb9vqf technically it isn't spelling, it's grammar samelian right kb9vqf your spelling has been 100% correct :) samelian :) samelian "Seems that MOC_EXECUTABLE is not correctly set" it's correct? *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf "MOC_EXECUTABLE may not be set correctly" Baho Anyone have time for a kdepim question? samelian kb9vqf: you have a private svn for tqt? kb9vqf samelian: For tqt for qt4 kb9vqf well, sort of private kb9vqf more like unadvertised samelian i see kb9vqf you want a private svn? kb9vqf i can give you one? samelian I have a preliminary cmake for tqt samelian i won't commit it to main svn, yet kb9vqf ok kb9vqf did you want a private copy of the tqtinterface? kb9vqf for qt3 that is samelian actually I want to dive what I made until now, for testings samelian give* samelian actually I will made a tar archive samelian hang on samelian kb9vqf: http://www.thel.ro/tqtinterface.tar.gz kb9vqf ok, what do you want me to do with that? kb9vqf just test Debian builds? samelian check if everything are working as expected kb9vqf ok kb9vqf not sure when I'll have a free time slot samelian i mean, selecting qt version, building, setup qt parameters manually kb9vqf it would probably be a good idea to involve several distributions in that process kb9vqf i.e. several developers here kb9vqf each can test it with his/her build methods samelian sure, I testing it myself on gentoo kb9vqf ok kb9vqf Xu_R: Any progress tracing the Konsole bug? samelian ok, enough for today, time to sleep samelian gn all kb9vqf gn *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Mias has joined #trinity-desktop Baho dbus-tqt missing files *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-03-27T00:18:01Z">+o tbottu </mode> *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop affect hell why do ALL GNOME PAINTS SUCK THAT MUCH *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *techie26 has left #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelain: oh yeah and i forgot i still have ksvg D: MutantTurkey kb9vqf: etherpad not working? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Works here MutantTurkey hmm yeah same thing now MutantTurkey might have been on my end kb9vqf samelian: Any progress on the kdepim compilation problem? kb9vqf also it seems that tqt libraries may not be set correctly under Qt3 samelian kb9vqf: I working on tqt kb9vqf ok samelian I will test it with kdelibs samelian then I will commit it kb9vqf sure *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R hehe... didn't know that Trillian killed all my IRC connections until like 5 minute ago ._. kb9vqf Xu_R: Any progress bisecting the Konsole bug? *kb9vqf also notes that's what you get for using Windows :-P Xu_R kb9vqf: lol Xu_R and nope, I think I hit a dead end :( kb9vqf really kb9vqf odd kb9vqf I know the bug is between 3.5.12 and HEAD Xu_R none of your konsole edits suggest this bug occuring kb9vqf right kb9vqf a full bisect is needed Xu_R so I'm suggesting it might be tqtinterface? *kb9vqf already looked through the logs and didn't see anything obvious kb9vqf tqtinterface won't do this kb9vqf under Qt3 it's a very thin wrapper Xu_R strange. kb9vqf so I take it compiling the konsole 3.5.12 files with all other libraries at SVN HEAD did not fix the problem? Xu_R nope.... I actually did that on my TDE test machine, and a VM - same bug still there kb9vqf huh kb9vqf can you try the 3.5.12 kdelibs and the SVN HEAD konsole? kb9vqf s/konsole/kdebase+konsole/g Xu_R ok, i'll try. kb9vqf thx *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf needs to know where the problem snuck in Xu_R yea, that's a nice thing to sneak in -__-" Xu_R just wondering, would this happen to also occur with TQt4? kb9vqf Xu_R: I have no idea kb9vqf TQt4 is so unstable I can't even log in right now :-/ Xu_R :( kb9vqf that's to be expected though kb9vqf I haven't been able to work on it for a whlie kb9vqf *while Xu_R lol hence unstable :P kb9vqf it also does not help that my Qt4 dev machine is down Xu_R :( kb9vqf had to reallocate resources to support other work ;-) kb9vqf Trinity is nice but it doesn't pay the bills..... Xu_R true true TokRa How many visitors per day are there on TDE web resources? If 1K or more, the good idea would be to place Google AdSence advertisement code on it. affect no one clicks those anyway affect and it makes the page look crappy affect well, mostly TokRa I disagree. i have a resource with about 2K visitors per day which results in 30-50 clicks bringing me 2-3 EUR every day TokRa Another solution is enforcing donations. *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop affect well yeah it depends on type of the resource of course TokRa Doesn't hurt to ask please-help-us-to-sustain-the-project TokRa affect: katra zina meginats nav zaudets :) affect tiesa kas tiesa samelian kb9vqf: I commited new build system for tqt samelian arts, kdelibs, and kdebase should be recompiled kb9vqf ok kb9vqf let me fire those off kb9vqf samelian: Any changed/new CMake flags? samelian only on tqt samelian you can use USE_QT3/USE_QT4 or QT_VERSION=3/4 kb9vqf so that should be recompiled first I take it? samelian yes *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop samelian so far, arts, kdelibs, kdebase, and kdepim are adapted to use new build system kb9vqf ok samelian qt is detected like this: samelian for qt3: we have QT_PREFIX_DIR samelian if QTDIR is found, QT_PREFIX_DIR copy QTDIR value samelian if QTDIR is not set, default paths are /usr/include/qt3 samelian QTDIR is ignored if tqt is set to use qt4 *lburton has joined #trinity-desktop lburton any chance anyone has made trinity go on ubuntu 11.04 ;)? lburton also kb9vqf de n6udp :) *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf not yet kb9vqf and nice callsign ;-) kb9vqf we are waiting for the CMake port to be finished lburton fair enough :), just ran into your project, I was a KDE3/fluxbox/ion3 user back in the 3.0-3.5 days.. nowadays I'm an xmonad-only user when on linux because kde4/gnome are both.. not sure I know accurate words but.. kludgy, so I'm happy to see a kde3 project :) lburton kb9vqf: a good friend of mine has n1tcp :) kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I hate to push back release on an Ubuntu LTS cycle, but in this case it is the best thing to do kb9vqf It will allow us to use a less kludgy build system, less deprecated packages, etc. lburton yeah, perhaps I'll give it a whirl on an arch system or one of my LTS ubuntu systems sometime soon :), go back to konq at least :) *Jota has joined #trinity-desktop Jota Hi! Anyone here? :-) Jota Is there a date for the next Trinity release? At the site says 1 April, is this real? kb9vqf nope kb9vqf it will be pushed back kb9vqf several months most likely kb9vqf Xu_R: Want to update the Wiki for me? kb9vqf Something like release TBD kb9vqf and we will need to discuss it in the next meeting Xu_R kb9vqf: sure kb9vqf thanks Xu_R can I have a link? kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf Jota: Where did you see the April 1 date? Xu_R oh, I see it. Jota At the "Roadnap" at the Trinity site kb9vqf ok kb9vqf that roadmap was made last year, so the dates are kind of stale kb9vqf things took longer than expected, etc. Jota ok Xu_R done Xu_R bed time :) night all Jota but, on a Lenny/Squeeze install I noticed that for many months now theres not any Trinitu package updated... is this ok, or my apt-get is in trouble?? Jota by the way, is there any chance Trinity will go into Debian repos, in the future?? Jota and, in case you all are bored, one last question :-) Jota there will be a live-CD of Trinity when the next Ubuntu gets released, next month? Jota ok... bye *Jota has left #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey so gcc 4.6 is out, are we expecting any problems with that? *lburton has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *ks has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey Xu_R: are you the default meeting organizer now? MutantTurkey samelian: ok, quick question about jpeg, what library provides it? there are several implementations of it so what should I do? samelian MutantTurkey: libjpeg MutantTurkey samelian: lok MutantTurkey because I don't use libjpeg D: MutantTurkey I use jpeg turbo samelian wtf if jpeg turbo MutantTurkey a faster jpeg implementation samelian with same API as standard jpeg? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey I assume there will be no problem then samelian ok then MutantTurkey I will just have to detect it manually by checking for headers right? samelian syre samelian sure MutantTurkey ok. MutantTurkey samelian: I am all done except for ksvg, kpdf and the djvu plugin for kviewshell MutantTurkey want me to email what I have over? samelian yes MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey what's your email again? MutantTurkey and how do i tar it up? *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *EvilRoey has joined #trinity-desktop EvilRoey hi EvilRoey hey got a qeustion for you all EvilRoey regarding Konqueror, do you plan on having Webkit availability for it? MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey the plan is when Qt4 is totally stable ( by the next release ) Konqueror will use webkit MutantTurkey currently tqtinterface with qt4 is still being worked out, but in time we will port konqueror to the latest webkit functions provided by webkit's qt port. MutantTurkey EvilRoey: ^^^ MutantTurkey EvilRoey: any other questions? :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: are you around? I was just looking through the bug tracker and noticed a few that should be closed or marked WONT FIX EvilRoey ok EvilRoey what about dcop EvilRoey are you going to port over to dbus or remain with dcop? EvilRoey hey Tim :) MutantTurkey dcop has things we don't have with dbus EvilRoey ah MutantTurkey If i recall properly, dbus is lacking certain features. EvilRoey interesting EvilRoey so wait, you're a medical student EvilRoey with extensive open-source experience MutantTurkey me? EvilRoey and computer vision experien e EvilRoey yeah *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey I'm not medical student, but a student i am EvilRoey I looked at your Kubuntu page EvilRoey ah :) MutantTurkey TokRa: haven't seen you in forever! EvilRoey what are you studying? MutantTurkey my kbuntu page? hmmm seems someone is using my name EvilRoey Timothy Pearson? MutantTurkey EvilRoey: I have not declared a major yet. MutantTurkey EvilRoey: Timothy is kb9vqf :p not me TokRa MutantTurkey: İyi günler. *TokRa pasveicina arī affect EvilRoey oh EvilRoey Oh! EvilRoey kb9vqf: hola MutantTurkey :p little mixed up EvilRoey TokRa: you're Turkish? affect lol hi TokRa EvilRoey: Actually, I am Latvian MutantTurkey hallo affect affect hi MutantTurkey TokRa With some Google Translate skills, lol EvilRoey ok I was wondering what the differenceis between i and ī EvilRoey btw what do you think of lol now officially becoming a verb MutantTurkey I say lol often outloud TokRa EvilRoey: i sounds like english 'e', ī is more like 'ee' MutantTurkey usually i make an L with one hand and a O with my right hand (like OK ) and then wave my left over my right, as in LOLOLOL EvilRoey interesting *TokRa suddenly disappears EvilRoey hahahahaa EvilRoey indeed, kb9vqf does appear to be Timothy Pearson MutantTurkey anyhow, with dbus. I think we discussed using it, but dcop has certain fewatures that would need to be patched into dbus, can't recall though. also that would require extensive work to port it all over to dbus MutantTurkey (if i remember correctly, my memory is not so good ) EvilRoey ah EvilRoey also, how many devs do you have? MutantTurkey oh you know like 200-300 MutantTurkey actually no, we have two devs MutantTurkey main devs that is. MutantTurkey samelian and kb9vqf, everyone else is involved in other aspects of the project, like packaging or the port to cmake MutantTurkey EvilRoey: now that you ask these questions, It makes me think we should have a FAQ page... EvilRoey Hahahaha :) MutantTurkey :) EvilRoey MutantTurkey: kb9vqf is your age? EvilRoey or older? MutantTurkey much older MutantTurkey I assume D: MutantTurkey I am quite young, turning 17 in june EvilRoey ahhhhh okay :) MutantTurkey :p I am just a dumb kid who uses linux too much *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R MutantTurkey: apparently I am :-\ Xu_R kb9vqf: It's time to add onto the next edition of meeting todos! http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/19 kb9vqf Wow I'm popular today :-P Xu_R lol kb9vqf haven't had much time to devote to Trinity lately kb9vqf my work comes in fits and spurts Xu_R fun. kb9vqf Hopefully I can resume real work (i.e. development, not just Debian packaging on the side) in the next few weeks kb9vqf until then I'm going to be rather hands-off Xu_R well, that won't be that bad :P samelian won't have to keep changing his cmake :) kb9vqf we have enough people involved now that I'm not at all concerned about the project dying in my absence ;-) Xu_R oh, it won't die :) *kb9vqf notes that a year ago this was a very real concern kb9vqf much better now :) Xu_R yup kb9vqf on the plus side, if you run Qt4 Trinity apps in xfce or similar they are actually quite stable and nice Xu_R :D kb9vqf so I think the main problems must be somewhere in kwin/kdm/etc. Xu_R probably. kb9vqf any progress on the Konsole bug BTW? kb9vqf it is possible that kdelibs has a problem Xu_R nope - I probably won't be able to get to it again until Thursday :( kb9vqf and such a problem MAY be manifesting as the Konsole bug under Qt3 and a crash under Qt4 kb9vqf oh, ok Xu_R oh? tracing it as a crash under Qt4, or a guess? :P kb9vqf Just a guess Xu_R ah, ok. kb9vqf Usually the odd bugs crash Qt4 Xu_R lol Xu_R odd indeed. kb9vqf Even using the $#!% NVidia drivers seem to crash Qt4 kb9vqf *seems kb9vqf of course, that is probably because NVidia decides it's a good thing to rip out the core C libraries and replace them with a proprietary version :-P kb9vqf and of course that version breaks gdb :( kb9vqf oh well Xu_R :-\ kb9vqf and BTW age doesn't matter on this project AFAIC kb9vqf it's ability, availability, and dedication that count *kb9vqf is responding to an earlier poke by EvilRoey Xu_R yup kb9vqf Other than confirming I am among the older members of this team, I will not say more :) Xu_R :P samelian actually, I think i'm oldest :) samelian kb9vqf: i'm not sure that I can't reproduce you kdepim FTBFS samelian seems that was happens something wrong while uic-ing samelian kb9vqf: you can trigger another kdepim build, to check if the error persist? samelian try with only one building thread *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-quick has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *lburton has joined #trinity-desktop *ks has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-29T03:20:24Z">+i </mode> *doda has joined #trinity-desktop tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *Mia5 has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="pratchett.freenode.net" time="2011-03-29T03:20:38Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-03-29T03:25:24Z">-i </mode> K`zan Was a net.split... *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *doda has left #trinity-desktop *Guest16175033855 has joined #trinity-desktop *Guest16175033855 has left #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Marco has joined #trinity-desktop *Guest96536 has left #trinity-desktop *Seattle_Mike has joined #trinity-desktop Seattle_Mike I'm running Debian Squeeze KDe 4.5 and I'd really like to run trinity. 1)Will I be able to run KDE 4.5 as an option? 2)I can't exist w/o gftp and gnome ... are these OK in the trinity gnomeness? kb9vqf 1.) Yes 2.) Yes kb9vqf If you run into any problems w/ KDE 4.5 just ask on the mailing list kb9vqf I know other Debian users have been able to get both running Seattle_Mike Great Thanks ... I'll give it a try (after backing up my current system) *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf good idea :) *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey all kb9vqf hi kb9vqf samelian: I don't know why the kdepim build is failing kb9vqf everything seems good and I'm only using a single thread samelian kb9vqf: you can show me smtpaccountwidget_base.cpp? kb9vqf not at the moment, no kb9vqf I would have to compile again on a slower machine samelian seems that your uic ignore kcm container class kb9vqf did you replicate my CMake build options when you tested it? samelian yes kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf odd samelian i bet that smtpaccountwidget_base.cpp is not generated correctly kb9vqf yes, but why I wonder? kb9vqf why on amd64 and not i386? samelian this happens when /opt/trinity/lib/kde3/plugins doesn't exists samelian maybe on 64 bit machine is /opt/trinity/lib64/kde3/plugins ? kb9vqf that I can check right now :) kb9vqf kdelibs generates that I assume? samelian yes kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf samelian: They are identical on bith amd64 and i386: kb9vqf amd64: ./opt/trinity/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so kb9vqf i386: /opt/trinity/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so samelian aha samelian I think you need to generate smtpaccountwidget_base.cpp manually samelian and check it kb9vqf well, I will fire off a build on the local machine kb9vqf with single threading it will be late in the day before it completes kb9vqf any luck finding the other FTBFS problem? kb9vqf the one on i386? samelian i'm not sure if I checked it samelian show me the log again kb9vqf https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3527 samelian thx kb9vqf np kb9vqf samelian: Sorry, wrong log kb9vqf This is the correct one: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3541 *kb9vqf had stale data up in Firefox samelian if i'm not wrong, i386 FTBFS is related to gpgme kb9vqf yes samelian I need to look closer kb9vqf ok samelian kb9vqf: /build/buildd/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/obj-i686-linux-gnu/knode/smtpaccountwidget_base.cpp:30: error: class 'KNConfig::SmtpAccountWidgetBase' does not have any field named 'KCModule' samelian seems related to kcm module as well kb9vqf and it builds fine for you kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf I wonder if it needs a kdebase dependency kb9vqf let me check if it has one *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: I had them flipped kb9vqf amd64 fails on gpgme kb9vqf http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2056086/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.kdepim-trinity_4%3A3.5.13-0ubuntu7%2Br1226268%2Bpr132_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf i386 is the uic problem kb9vqf sorr kb9vqf *sorry samelian hehe samelian hmm, this will be hard to debug, because I have no amd64 machine there kb9vqf And I don't have a pure i386 build system ATM kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf I guess I will have to work on the amd64 problem myself kb9vqf samelian: This seems to be a strange way to run moc kb9vqf /usr/bin/moc smtpaccountwidget_base.h >> smtpaccountwidget_base.cpp kb9vqf shouldn't that be tmoc <something> ? samelian for an uic generated file, is the same thing kb9vqf oh, ok samelian kb9vqf: getconf is installed on amd64 bit machine? samelian MAX_CMD_LENGTH is found by getconf *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: I found the i386 problem :) kb9vqf not sure why you weren't seeing it, but the .ui file was missing an include driective kb9vqf *directive samelian weird, then why on my system is compiling without problem kb9vqf I have no idea kb9vqf fix is already in SVN samelian ok kb9vqf now just to figure out the MAX_CMD_LENGTH problem kb9vqf samelian: What getconf command is being executed?> samelian check if after configure stage, MAX_CMD_LENGTH is defined in config.h samelian hang on samelian kb9vqf: getconf ARG_MAX kb9vqf hmm kb9vqf works on my local amd64 system kb9vqf let me check the builders kb9vqf samelian: getconf is definitely installed kb9vqf I'm wondering if the cmake configuration script that handles that call is being called though kb9vqf samelian: I don't see a getconf error anywhere kb9vqf Is it possible that this line does not run properly under amd64? kb9vqf math( EXPR MAX_CMD_LENGTH "(${MAX_CMD_LENGTH} / 4) * 3" ) samelian not sure kb9vqf and why do we do this? kb9vqf set( MAX_CMD_LENGTH ${MAX_CMD_LENGTH} CACHE INTERNAL "" FORCE ) kb9vqf specifically the "" part? samelian it's stored in cache to propagate to top level kb9vqf ok samelian "" it's a comment samelian "" meaning "no comment" kb9vqf oh, ok kb9vqf it just seems weird samelian yes kb9vqf samelian: Can we print a message "Checking for maximum argument length"? kb9vqf that way I can verify that the check is even being run samelian sure kb9vqf and also spit out the raw result output? kb9vqf so the user should see "Checking for maximum argument length...found xxx" samelian try this: message( STATUS "Checking for maximum argument length" ) kb9vqf before execute_process, right? samelian yes kb9vqf ok kb9vqf then how do I spit out the raw result? samelian and after checking, message( STATUS " found ${MAX_CMD_LENGTH}" kb9vqf ok kb9vqf I'll recompile that and see if we can get more info samelian ok, send me and email with the result kb9vqf sure kb9vqf thanks :) samelian also, check if MAX_CMD_LENGTH is defined in config.h kb9vqf ok kb9vqf I'll have to set up another amd64 builder....sigh.... kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *David-Konqi has joined #trinity-desktop David-Konqi bonjour tout le monde je parle french je suis utilisateur sur trinity David-Konqi Saisissez du texte, l'adresse d'un site Web ou importez un document à traduire.AnnulerÉcouterLire phonétiquementTraduction (français > anglais)I have a problem with a package called Tintii for photos etc. The installation was successful but I have nothing graphic is showing nowhere on the menu. it's just to let you know. David-Konqi I have a concern with a package of calling tintii for the photos.l' installation succeeded but I have anything in graph, it is to show null leaves in the menu. it is right for you to make it announce. David-Konqi Bien passé une bonne journer et merçi pour la trinity KDE3.5 *David-Konqi has left #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `/TEMP/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/debian/tmp///opt/trinity/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/akregator.png': No such file or directory kb9vqf in kdepim samelian kb9vqf: was built, finally? :) kb9vqf yes kb9vqf I found the amd64 problem kb9vqf it's an overflow in the CMake math() function kb9vqf so I hacked around it by detecting the resultant 0 and using the raw getconf output in that case kb9vqf ugly, but it works samelian interesting kb9vqf samelian: the Akregator icon bug should be simple to fix, no? samelian yes, i think samelian I'm checking now kb9vqf ok samelian kb9vqf: fixed in SVN revision 1226579 kb9vqf ok, recompiling now kb9vqf thx kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `/build/buildd/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/debian/tmp///opt/trinity/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/kalarm.png': No such file or directory samelian checking... samelian kb9vqf: fixed, i hope kb9vqf ok kb9vqf recompiling.... kb9vqf samelian: BTW how is kdegraphics coming? kb9vqf I know MutantTurkey is pretty much in charge of it, just wondering where it was at samelian not sure, MutantTurkey still working in it kb9vqf ok kb9vqf so after kdepim, what next? samelian kdevelop, kdewebdev, kdenetwork kb9vqf ah, ok kb9vqf I meant what are you/the CMake team porting next :) *kb9vqf knows he has his work cut out updating the packages ;-) samelian I told MutantTurkey to port kdegames, after kdegraphics kb9vqf ok kb9vqf sounds reasonable *kb9vqf is tempted to port Amarok to TQt and compile under Qt4 :) samelian hehe samelian amarok is not so simple kb9vqf no it isn't samelian because multiple backends for audio engine kb9vqf you did port it to CMake already though, correct? samelian yes, is usable kb9vqf ok kb9vqf remember tqt udner Qt4 currently handles the entire kdebase/kdelibs pluggable module system without difficulty kb9vqf so I don't expect Amarok to be that much of a problem samelian if i'm not wrong, amarok using threads for backends kb9vqf of course I will probably be proven wrong, but hey, it's worth a shot :) kb9vqf yes, and they are a constant source of grief for some users kb9vqf kdepim uses threads as well kb9vqf I'm not sure which I want to try first samelian you solved the problem with images in konqi? kb9vqf yes samelian aha, nice kb9vqf it's getting there slowly kb9vqf konqueror is usable as long as you use it under XDM/GDM/etc. kb9vqf khtml doesn't work quite right, but everything else seems OK samelian i see kb9vqf I still classify it as test point, not even alpha yet kb9vqf but progress is being made samelian for sure samelian hehe, Darell is upatient :) *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ MutantTurkey samelian: around? kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `/build/buildd/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/debian/tmp///opt/trinity/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/kalarm.png': No such file or directory kb9vqf that looks like the same problem samelian weird samelian show me entire log kb9vqf samelian: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3567 samelian kb9vqf: where is set this message? "Multiple versions of QT found please set DESIRED_QT_VERSION" kb9vqf I don't know kb9vqf the problem is in the icon installation though; it compiles just fine samelian kb9vqf: are you sure that is correct log? kb9vqf fairly sure kb9vqf unless it didn't pick the change from SVN samelian the only error is "/build/buildd/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/debian/tmp///opt/trinity/lib/kde3/kfile_palm.la': No such file or directory" kb9vqf oh wait kb9vqf i bet I had stale data again kb9vqf in FIrefox kb9vqf :-P kb9vqf yeah sorry kb9vqf samelian: Is kfile_palm part of kpilot? samelian not sure, hang on samelian kb9vqf: yes kb9vqf ok samelian kb9vqf: why you did this? samelian SET( TQT_PKGCFG_NAME "TQt" ) samelian pkg_search_module( TQT ${TQT_PKGCFG_NAME} ) kb9vqf samelian: To get Qt4 working again samelian what happens without it? kb9vqf Qt4 installs tqt.pc kb9vqf not TQt.pc samelian is any reason for this? kb9vqf and I have no desire to change it :-P kb9vqf I don't know kb9vqf it's buried in the TQt/Qt4 qmake system kb9vqf and I really don't have time to track it down samelian actually all code can be rewritten like this: samelian pkg_search_module( TQT "tqt" "TQt" ) kb9vqf oh samelian pkg_search_module(<PREFIX> [REQUIRED] [QUIET] <MODULE> [<MODULE>]*) samelian checks for given modules and uses the first working one *kb9vqf did not know that kb9vqf feel free to fix it if you want :) samelian hehe, i'm not sure if I will not broke qt4 again kb9vqf Every time I try to do something in CMake I make a bigger mess it seems samelian hehe samelian ok, I will clean it up kb9vqf thanks samelian kb9vqf: actually I will revert it to original code and I will add "tqt" for searched modules kb9vqf ok samelian should work kb9vqf don't see why not kb9vqf I added the needed defs to tqt.pc already:) samelian actually, if you want, I can rename TQt.pc to tqt.pc as well kb9vqf it might be easier samelian to not maintain two versions kb9vqf actually I would strongly recommend that samelian ok then kb9vqf tqt.pc is more in line with what I have seen samelian kb9vqf: you has any reason to add SKIP_TMOC variable? kb9vqf samelian: I think you can get ridof it now samelian ok Xu_R hi all, Xu_R the april meeting dates are now up. Xu_R see the trinity-devel email message for more details. samelian kb9vqf: done, I renamed TQt.pc to tqt.pc *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `/TEMP/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/debian/tmp///opt/trinity/lib/libindex.so.0': No such file or directory kb9vqf opt/trinity/lib/libindex.so is created however samelian I don't see any version for lib in Makefile.am samelian hang on samelian kb9vqf: fixed kb9vqf thanks *kb9vqf_ has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: cp: cannot stat `/TEMP/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/debian/tmp///opt/trinity/share/apps/libkholidays': No such file or directory samelian kb9vqf: I can't see anything in Makefile.am that should be installed in /opt/trinity/share/apps/libkholidays kb9vqf samelian: -rw-r--r-- root/root 1992 2010-08-11 22:27 ./opt/kde3/share/apps/libkholidays/holiday_ar kb9vqf -rw-r--r-- root/root 1618 2010-08-11 22:27 ./opt/kde3/share/apps/libkholidays/holiday_at kb9vqf etc. samelian kb9vqf: right, fixed in SVN revision 1226599 kb9vqf ok, thanks : kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf is having a horrid time with Qt4 again kb9vqf In the bowels of Qt4 there exists this line of code: XWMHints *h = XGetWMHints(X11->display, q->internalWinId()); kb9vqf Upon execution the Qt4-based program *instantly* exits with error code 01 kb9vqf :-((( *kb9vqf really hates debugging Qt4's internal problems *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: libkcal headers are not being installed: kb9vqf cp: cannot stat `/TEMP/kdepim-trinity-3.5.13/debian/tmp///opt/trinity/include/kde/libkcal': No such file or directory *Seattle_Mike has joined #trinity-desktop Seattle_Mike Does anyone have Liquid Weather running on Squeeze? (any version!) *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf never heard of it kb9vqf samelian: Did you get my earlier IRC message? kb9vqf regarding the missing headers? samelian kb9vqf: yes Seattle_Mike kb9vqf: it's a superkaramba app samelian kb9vqf: fixed in SVN revision 1226603 *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop msb Does Trinity 3.5.12 include all the 3.5 apps and applets? msb Any way to put 3.5.12 on OpenSuse 11.4? msb Currently suffering with kde4.6.0. Barely usable. *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian: get my email? samelian yes samelian you need more work with formatting MutantTurkey D: where? MutantTurkey I thought i nabbed everything samelian for example, this samelian SOURCES kzcolorselector.cpp imageselection.cpp samelian texteditselection.cpp gradientselection.cpp colorselector.cpp samelian kxycolorselector.cpp paletteview.cpp paletteviewscrolledarea.cpp MutantTurkey what is wrong with that? samelian there is not correct indnt samelian should be: MutantTurkey D: samelian SOURCE samelian texteditselection.cpp gradientselection.cpp colorselector.cpp samelian kxycolorselector.cpp paletteview.cpp paletteviewscrolledarea.cpp MutantTurkey you would like the sources to be on a new line? ok samelian yes, and indented relative to "SOURCE" by two spaces MutantTurkey right MutantTurkey I use 2 space indent for everything samelian also, delete end spaces MutantTurkey strip trailing spaces? MutantTurkey yeah there's a macro for that also I assume MutantTurkey I can use sed or something xD samelian yes MutantTurkey ok, anything else you'd like? samelian also samelian ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/lib/ samelian delete last / MutantTurkey right D: I tried to get them all might have forgotten samelian also, keep two blank lines between sections samelian you still using sometimes tab instead spaces samelian at end of file, should be only one blank spaces, not two, nor more MutantTurkey at the end of files it sohuld be one extra line with a blank space MutantTurkey I don't use any tabs though, my editor doesn't allow it, must be remains from other files I've copied samelian last line should be blank, no spaces at all MutantTurkey ok samelian in kooka/pics/CMakeLists.txt you use tabs MutantTurkey ok hmmm weird MutantTurkey okay, and sorry I have been extremely busy this week and won't have much time till next week :\ *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R__ has joined #trinity-desktop *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop penguinbait hello? penguinbait wondering what platforms are supported? penguinbait or specifically is armel ? *Qu4Z has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa It's nice: iwlist wlan0 scan | sed -n 's/.* Address: //p;T;s/ //g;q' | sed 's/.*/{version:1.1.0,host:maps.google.com,request_address:true,address_language:'${LANG/.*/}',wifi_towers:[{mac_address:"&",signal_strength:8,age:0}]}/' | curl -sX POST -d @- www.google.com/loc/json | sed -e 'h;s/.*latitude":$[^,]*$.*/\1/;G;s/\n[^\n]*longitude":$[^,]*$.*/,\1\n/;s|^|http://maps.google.com/maps?q=|;x;s/[,{]/\n/g;s/["}]//g;s/:/\t/g;s/\n//;G' *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop edakiri how can the trinity menu items be loaded into the xfce menu? *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *same has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey edakiri: best ask on the mailing list ok? sorry not many people are on the off hours and I'm about to rush off to school :) *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop penguinbait is armel supported ? penguinbait I am loading lenny now so I can get kde3.5, but if I could load 3.5 on squeeze that would be awesome!! penguinbait is this only x86? edakiri penguinbait: http://mirror.trinity.lv/trinity/debian/ you can see by investigating this link that armel is not supported. edakiri penguinbait: but if you wish to build it, perhaps people here would give you guidance. penguinbait Well I am really more of a brute force hack, well compiling it all does not scare me, I have done it before on maemo, but I am not a package maintainer or a developer, just a average unix admin :) penguinbait but thanks for answering penguinbait I tell you all now, this is needed, as KDE4 just beats down my armel device and disk access is nonstop with akonadi in constant wait. penguinbait Guess I will stick with lenny on my openpandora, or give up KDE :( *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-01T18:29:35Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-01T18:45:35Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> Z_God kb9vqf: my collegue installed trinity on an existing ubuntu lucid system and now he also has this kgtk2-wrapper problem, it seems this issue is still present in the lucid version.... kb9vqf Z_God: Any more details on the problem? Z_God kb9vqf: what would you like to know? Z_God he was using a normal ubuntu lucid installation with gnome *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop Z_God and installed trinity today with the instructions from the site Z_God now in gnome firefox f.e. gives the kgtk2-wrapper error kb9vqf what error exactly? Z_God "Failed to execute child process "kgtk2-wrapper" (No such file or directory)" kb9vqf oh, yes, now I remember kb9vqf it's fixed in Maverick Z_God ah ok Z_God so just need to fix the files again? kb9vqf the .desktop files, yes Z_God alright, thank you very much, I just told my colleague *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf np Z_God he came up with this solution btw: grep -ZlR -e "wrapper" /usr/share/applications/* # | xargs -0 sed -si -e "s/kgtk2-wrapper //g" Z_God ;) MutantTurkey Z_God: that is probably worth mentioning somewhere. maybe throw it on the bug report as a temp fix or something? MutantTurkey samelian: around? MutantTurkey for a kdeinit executable (tde_add_kdeinit_executable( ) do i need a DESTINATION? should it be just the regular ${BIN_INSTALL_DIR}? samelian MutantTurkey: you don't need a destination samelian tde_add_kdeinit_executable actually generate 5 files, if i'm not wrong samelian executable, shared library, module, and .la files MutantTurkey okay D: MutantTurkey sounds scary MutantTurkey samelian: I made another run through fixing up more formatting and such. samelian ok MutantTurkey want me to email again so you can look over? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: can we get a redirect for bugs.trinitydesktop.org? Z_God MutantTurkey: it seems there's no bug about it, should I still create one? Z_God I don't know if there's still the intention to provide fixes for lucid? MutantTurkey I don't think so, though I would at least mention it on the Mailing List first MutantTurkey then with some direction you may need to place a bug or not i don't know Z_God ok, I guess it's not so important now though, it seems the devs are mainly focussed on the Qt4 port now, which I can understand :) Z_God they've been aware of the problem for a while and it's even fixed in the newer releases *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Remind me again tomorrow ;-) kb9vqf No time to do it right now MutantTurkey kb9vqf: ok :) *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *JohnR has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-02T19:29:48Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-02T20:11:57Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *asdfjehsdkh has joined #trinity-desktop asdfjehsdkh Yo... I just followed some instructions for installing Trinity on Ubuntu and now in the terminal it says: "Configuring kdm-kde3" and "default display manager: gdm, kdm-kde 3" .. Which one do I choose? asdfjehsdkh gdm or kdm-kde3? asdfjehsdkh Just wing it? asdfjehsdkh My impatience will probably fuck up my computer, but fuck it. I'll go the second option and hope for the best. :) asdfjehsdkh sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) asdfjehsdkh Shit... asdfjehsdkh Well, I'm going to see if sudo apt-get upgrade fixes anthing... *richard has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *penguinbait has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen 'ello 'ello aalecs hi Borg^Queen hi *Borg^Queen has left #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey anyone seem tim around? Xu_R yea - last night Xu_R he's been busy with real-life stuff, apparently. MutantTurkey hmmm ok MutantTurkey I've been super busy as well, but my schedule has finally cleared up. Xu_R nice. Xu_R i've got another 2 weeks to bear with >_< MutantTurkey D: one month of school and I am done :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: any thoughts on calligra office? Xu_R MutantTurkey: lucky >:O MutantTurkey :) Xu_R calligra office? it's pretty good. but I want to wait until they make it pure Qt MutantTurkey I agree Xu_R otherwise, we will likely run into roadblocks. MutantTurkey they definitely are because they are trying to compete with libreoffice Xu_R Maybe if kb9vqf gets TQt for Qt4 done, we can convince them to switch over to using TQt :P MutantTurkey we wouldn't need to MutantTurkey I mean using Qt4 is fine Xu_R I know, but imagine if. MutantTurkey :p aalecs hi aalecs where is serghei aalecs samelian Xu_R aalecs: wish I knew :-0\ MutantTurkey not sure, haven't seen him since yesterday aalecs ah MutantTurkey aalecs: sorry bud aalecs nb, just asking of curiosity aalecs my kde won't live up to soon :) aalecs np* *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Qu4Z_ has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-04T02:31:30Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-04T03:04:04Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-04T04:09:36Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *ks_ has joined #trinity-desktop *ks has joined #trinity-desktop *ks has left #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-04T09:43:16Z">+o tbottu </mode> *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-04T10:34:50Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: reminder: bugs.trinitydesktop needs forwarding *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Qu4Z_ has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Mia5 has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="lindbohm.freenode.net" time="2011-04-04T14:07:39Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-04T14:07:39Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *tbottu was going to say 'I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes' but has said it too many times today already <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-04T14:12:40Z">-i </mode> *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Qu4Z_ has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Mia5 has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="lindbohm.freenode.net" time="2011-04-04T14:20:33Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-04T14:20:33Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *tbottu was going to say 'I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes' but has said it too many times today already <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-04T14:25:33Z">-i </mode> *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *ks has joined #trinity-desktop *ks has left #trinity-desktop *ks has joined #trinity-desktop *ks has left #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: thanks! :) *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Qu4Z_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Mia5 has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="lindbohm.freenode.net" time="2011-04-04T21:04:38Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-04T21:04:38Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *tbottu was going to say 'I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes' but has said it too many times today already MutantTurkey Xu_R: around? <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-04T21:09:38Z">-i </mode> *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *shakaz has joined #trinity-desktop shakaz hello shakaz just wondering if it's safe to install trinity on a debian sid system running kde4 atm? shakaz and what version to use if so, as squeeze has been released, sid is moving away aalecs tde is not bugging kde libs/apps MutantTurkey I forgot squeeze is out aalecs so you could install me thinks MutantTurkey shakaz: I think you can install them along side eachother, just not build them together (as far as i remember) MutantTurkey using our quickbuild should be fine though. MutantTurkey shakaz: and I suggest you using our stable (3.5.12) shakaz should i use the squeeze repositories? MutantTurkey you are running sid? yes squeeze should be fine. aalecs is 3.5.12 in the squeeze repos ? MutantTurkey aalecs: no :) he means he is using our squeeze repos aalecs ah aalecs yeah, correctly enough MutantTurkey kb9vqf: also quickbuild should be on trinitydesktop.org i think :) (i keep noticing things that need to be added) shakaz ok because i read a blog about a sid user saying he would switch to testing repos once squeeze would be released shakaz but the only testing repos i see are for slackware MutantTurkey shakaz: where is the blog? :) i am interested aalecs me3 shakaz quickbuild i don't know about it, the blog is here http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/31333/ a bit dated though MutantTurkey shakaz: i am not a debian user unfortunately, I suggest you talk to kb9vqf or send an email on the mailing list shakaz i remember about trinity because they mentioned it on this weeks distrowatch weekly in the comments http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20110404 MutantTurkey shakaz: interesting article. MutantTurkey shakaz: so, I suggest you follow these instructions for squeeze: http://trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian aalecs the guy has some points there shakaz quickbuild are more up to date i guess ? MutantTurkey shakaz: I am a bit fuzzy on it. again, It would be good to ask on the Mailing List. MutantTurkey I didn't realize how unclear it is, I'll make a note to add it to the website later on explaining what quickbuild is. thanks shakaz if it's the nightly builds, they seem to be targeting ubuntu :( MutantTurkey yes, but ubuntu and debian are pretty interoperable package wise MutantTurkey Ubuntu is just the best supported because our project leader uses it, we have opensuse, fedora?, archlinux, ark, and slackware all in the works aalecs and alt ;) MutantTurkey shakaz: anyway gotta go to bed, but If you have questions the mailing list or here is always good :) MutantTurkey night all. aalecs night, though here is morning shakaz yeah for small apps they can be, but for something like a desktop environment and considering ubuntu seems to be gearing towards disruptive changes in the near future i'm not sure i'm comfortable doing that shakaz thanks for the help though :) aalecs shakaz: packages for ubuntu should work on debian aalecs the changes that will be made on ubuntu are not connected with packages existing now aalecs packages existing from TDE i mean shakaz well i'll give it try, see if i can come back to a sane, fast and powerfull environment as kde used to be aalecs shakaz: what glibc version do you have shakaz TDE? shakaz ah ok shakaz got it aalecs TDE= trinity desktop aalecs i've got kde crashing because of glibc update, and all that aalecs that's why i was asking aalecs *** glibc has detected an error in kdesktop: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0000000000785540 *** aalecs ======= Backtrace: ========= aalecs /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x71b46)[0x7f3df823db46] aalecs .. shakaz is there a way to install only the core of trinty because sudo apt-get install desktop-base-trinity kde-trinity install a lot of packages i don't care about aalecs by hand, apt-get what you want aalecs i`m not a debian fan, don`t got a deb around shakaz found a solution shakaz apt-get install desktop-base-trinity kde-core-trinity shakaz and then and the ones i want :p shakaz with the core it's down to 52 packages 66MB instead of 295/230MB for the full install... shakaz with the packages i added manually i got to 102/134MB in the end shakaz and saved 300MB and some cruft after installation aalecs :D shakaz just hope it won't have incompatibilities with the existing install aalecs it shouldnt shakaz inch allah shakaz i'll soon find out aalecs i don't know how's on deb, but here on alt we have kde 3 in /usr/lib/kde3 and kde 4 in /usr/lib/kde4.. also, PATH is set by each de, so kde3 does not kave the path of kde4, and the opposite shakaz and the /home/user/.kde ? aalecs [alecs@rainsoul ~]$ ls .kde aalecs .kde/ .kde3/ aalecs kde is for 4 aalecs .kde3 is for.. obviously, 3 aalecs :) shakaz ok should be fine then shakaz will try in 2 minutes *shakaz has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs shakaz: did it work ? shakaz yep :p shakaz seems ok so far aalecs good :) shakaz got my theme sorted out shakaz seems ok so far style as i like it shakaz will see in a couple of daysif i don't stumble on anything bad shakaz seems more responsive than kde4 ... as expected :p aalecs eh, kde 3 always was better aalecs ;) shakaz for sure aalecs i`m on xfce for some while, because i got issues with glibc shakaz still is shakaz hope this project will get more attention aalecs i used tde some time, but now i am waiting to solve the glibc issue shakaz hahaa konqueror feels soo good again aalecs lol aalecs try krusader ;) *shakaz has joined #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Qu4Z_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Mia5 has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="lindbohm.freenode.net" time="2011-04-05T08:45:16Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-05T08:45:16Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-04-05T08:50:17Z">-i </mode> *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs is away: ne *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *shakaz has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y1 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop *17SAAAWQH has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf aalecs: Are you still on? kb9vqf I have run into the glibc issue myself now kb9vqf No fix ATM, but I was wondering if you could send a full backtrace to the mailing list kb9vqf So far the affected section of code is squeaky clean as far as I can tell, so I'm leaning towards an actual bug in glibc/gcc/g++ kb9vqf The bug would be improper memory allocation for nested constructors when creating new objects with new() aalecs kb9vqf: hi kb9vqf hello kb9vqf see above :) aalecs well, i can run kdesktop now within xfce aalecs if you want aalecs it crashes the same kb9vqf sure aalecs mkay aalecs ok, i`m joining the ml now and sending kb9vqf thx aalecs i was on the buglist only aalecs me thx aalecs :) kb9vqf ah kb9vqf bug #? aalecs w8 *kb9vqf has been out sick for a few days now, so I may or may not be able to work on it for a while kb9vqf but having the information in one place has to help :) aalecs oh, what did you have ? kb9vqf A nasty virus aalecs http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=456 tbottu Bug 456 blo, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, kdesktop crashes under altlinux sisyphus kb9vqf Ah, same place again kb9vqf initRoot() aalecs oh, glad you're better then aalecs and if u want i can post another comment with the current backtrace kb9vqf Sure aalecs ok kb9vqf I bet initRoot() will the the culprit again though kb9vqf Any other crashes or is kdesktop the only problem> kb9vqf ? aalecs the only aalecs rest works, konqueror, quanta etc kb9vqf ok aalecs what i do use kb9vqf that's what I saw as well aalecs i have panel, control center etc kb9vqf right aalecs but kdesktop crashes kb9vqf same on my test systems kb9vqf x86_64 or i386? aalecs and when kdesktop crashes i get some errors about system:/ location (when on tde) and that`s it aalecs 64bit aalecs x86_64 kb9vqf ok aalecs but ix86 is afected too kb9vqf mine occurred under i386 as well, so arch is not an issue aalecs i got mates having x86 aalecs yes aalecs exactly kb9vqf gcc version? aalecs 4.5.1 kb9vqf hmm, ok kb9vqf mine was 4.4 aalecs gcc version 4.5.1 20101130 (ALT Linux 4.5.1-alt8) (GCC) aalecs we have this bug for quite a while, but i noticed kind of hard because was always booting into xfce kb9vqf I do remember pinning the kdepim build to gcc 4.3 a while back due to an odd crash kb9vqf I wonder if gcc4.4/gcc4.5 have a bug aalecs i remember this too, from people using alt kb9vqf well, thanks for the info :) kb9vqf I'll see what I can do aalecs till now, i read of issues with glibc and different stuff kb9vqf It is probably a compiler/libc problem aalecs and we think that glibc is guilty aalecs yes kb9vqf right kb9vqf but seeing as no fix has been forthcoming.... aalecs the issue appeared on alt when multiple people using tde updated to the latest alt glibc kb9vqf I may need to restructure some of the Trinity code to avoid the bug kb9vqf Or create a definite test case for the glibc folks kb9vqf Either way it will take some time aalecs yep, i know aalecs our bug is here aalecs https://bugzilla.altlinux.org/25175 kb9vqf BTW I am pretty sure it's a compilation issue under glibc kb9vqf The original binaries produced with the older glibc do not crash aalecs same here, i wrote about this there too kb9vqf ok aalecs yes kb9vqf good kb9vqf :) kb9vqf This all helps to narrow it down aalecs and i read on some forums (links on that buglist) the issue is not only with tde, there are some other pieces of software too kb9vqf Yes aalecs and it is related to the change of malloc under glibc kb9vqf which makes perfect sense aalecs yup aalecs colleagues from alt thought that it could be from apps running at start (eg krandtray) aalecs we tried to solve it aalecs dd not work kb9vqf I think it has to do with code like this: http://pastebin.com/4TQGZEN3 aalecs also, under older glibc, no issue kb9vqf Upon attempting to malloc Foo3 the memory corruption occurs kb9vqf This is what I will be testing kb9vqf The structure of the affected kdesktop code is very similar to this aalecs and i written about the fact that under branch 5.0/5.1, with the binaries from TDE, I did not get any crashes... aalecs aha aalecs i get it kb9vqf nested new() in constructors :) kb9vqf It's a strong possibility kb9vqf kdepim does the same thing aalecs they kind of f****d stuff with updates to glibc, and other kb9vqf yes aalecs me has issues because of php 5.3 with some pieces of scripts aalecs for example i have vhcs on a server (hosting) patched and secured by me, i wrote some code and made it work better. ofc, i wrote on php 5.2.. under 5.3 hell breaks loose.. :( kb9vqf hehe *kb9vqf has seen similar aalecs isse is there are other gpl panels and not only gpl aalecs that on php 5.3 just die aalecs at least stuff in perl does not get obsolete so fast :)) aalecs same problems with ruby.. aalecs etc kb9vqf It is strange, too, as PHP was quite stable for many years kb9vqf Same with glibc kb9vqf I am getting concerned about the overall quality of Linux software now kb9vqf It used to be very high quality aalecs they changed functions in php, like preg_replace etc aalecs it's quality, but they fscked different apps kb9vqf it's only quality for certain areas aalecs yes kb9vqf It used to be very hard to break things in general aalecs well, we are using bleeding edge versions of stuff aalecs like glibc :D kb9vqf glibc isn't kb9vqf It's several versions out of date here aalecs though they said it is stable aalecs right kb9vqf right kb9vqf Stable is supposed to be darn-near-impossible-to-break aalecs why did they change malloc ? *kb9vqf has no idea *aalecs neither kb9vqf probably for performance reasons kb9vqf or my favorite: "It makes the code simpler and easier to maintain..." aalecs and why it is not documented, so we know what to freakin do kb9vqf Here's something interesting kb9vqf Set MALLOC_CHECK_ to 1 kb9vqf Bingo, problems go away kb9vqf The only difference? The malloc() handling changes :) kb9vqf MALLOC_CHECK_ is an environment variable read by glibc only kb9vqf 1 is supposed to be exacly the same as if it was unset (i.e. it will abort on memory corruption), except that a different malloc() scheme is used aalecs so if i set that it does not hack ? aalecs break* kb9vqf Yup kb9vqf Set it before running kdesktop kb9vqf Now I do NOT want to ship Trinity with that enabled kb9vqf It's a debug tool kb9vqf But it squarely places the blame on glibc aalecs declare -x MALLOC_CHECK_="1" aalecs it sticll breaks *eugenesan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf aalecs: Try "EXPORT MALLOC_CHECK_=1" eugenesan Hi all kb9vqf s/EXPORT/export/g eugenesan I am trying to add component to kdebase, are there any guidelines for tQT porting? aalecs aha, works kb9vqf See? ;-) kb9vqf eugenesan: Not yet aalecs kb9vqf: 10q kb9vqf eugenesan: Other than that QWidget becomes TQWidget, etc. kb9vqf aalecs: ? aalecs kb9vqf: thanks = ten q :) kb9vqf ah, ok kb9vqf np :) aalecs now i have a freaking desktop :)) aalecs kde mixed with xfce aalecs :D kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf "Be advised that long term usage of the MALLOC_CHECK_ environment variable is not recommended and has not been tested, and therefore it may decide to eat your files and cat at some time during the night" kb9vqf :) aalecs =)) eugenesan @kb9vqf: Is it possible at least provide list of "wrapped" objects? kb9vqf eugenesan: All are wrapped kb9vqf Every Qt provided object has a TQ equivalent kb9vqf What little information has been written down is on the Wiki kb9vqf Let me grab the link kb9vqf http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TQtForQt4 kb9vqf Actually there is more there than I thought :) kb9vqf Look under "Porting Notes" aalecs kb9vqf: i will want to port baghira to tde aalecs after this issue is solved kb9vqf sure kb9vqf this problem has also been hindering my efforts to build under Qt4 kb9vqf So it is the next item I need to take care of aalecs under what glibc did you have issues ? eugenesan <@kb9vqf>: Great! kb9vqf aalecs: Hang on aalecs 2.11.3 here kb9vqf 2.26 here aalecs oh, a lot forward kb9vqf eugenesan: np :) kb9vqf aalecs: Oh, that's why, glibc is a RedHat product kb9vqf :-P *kb9vqf has a strong distaste for RedHat *aalecs 2 kb9vqf For exactly this reason in fact :) aalecs i sometimes use centos, but not to often aalecs the rest of time alt and some small debian time kb9vqf I pretty much use Ubuntu and Debian exclusively aalecs i use centos because of some stuff that runs only on centos kb9vqf The only CentOS install I have is for the business telephones aalecs and the community for the stuff sucks aalecs (bluequartz and blueonyx) aalecs they are rhel/centos lovers kb9vqf Ah kb9vqf Well, I avoided GFS2 because it was another poorly documented RedHat piece of software kb9vqf Used OCFS2 instead kb9vqf Painless :) aalecs yeah, issue is a lot of stuff relies on gvfs aalecs see thunar for example aalecs gimp even kb9vqf RedHat wants it that way though kb9vqf So you pay $$$$$$$ for support kb9vqf Even though I'm sure half of it is routed through India aalecs eh, at least i did not have major issues till now kb9vqf yes aalecs half ? i say 75% kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf "Have you tried restarting your computer yet sir" aalecs here in romania we say redhoit aalecs hoit in romanian means dead body kb9vqf :)) aalecs and another version would be rahat linux kb9vqf I never felt like I was actually in control of the RedHat systems I have tried over time aalecs rahat in romanian meaning shit kb9vqf More like they were in control :-/ aalecs thats why i started my real linux live with slackware, mandrake and altlinux aalecs :D kb9vqf Under Debian at least I can build things, run my own package repositories, and generally do anything I want to the sytem and *know* what is going to happen :) aalecs i played with RH aalecs and i said WTF aalecs and gave it to others aalecs same here aalecs under alt aalecs alt is nice because it takes the best from debian, and the best from fedora.. kb9vqf Ah aalecs it started as a fork of mandrake, but we are on our own now kb9vqf The only Fedora I liked was an old FC3 release kb9vqf It just kept chugging away on my old Pentium II for many years aalecs well, don't get me wrong, we are not fedora :D kb9vqf No problems, no hassles kb9vqf Oh I know :) aalecs some rpm, specs stuff, and some stuff from debian kb9vqf Just saying that there are some aspects of the older Fedora that I liked aalecs yup aalecs i did not install a fedora since core 2 i think kb9vqf I tried Core 4 right before I went back to windows for a time kb9vqf I think that was the release that had massive file system corruption problems kb9vqf It ate a good chunk of my data :( aalecs :( eugenesan @kb9vqf: TQtForQt4 page refers to "automated" conversion method, is there a conversion script? aalecs well, god you play with debian kb9vqf eugenesan: Yes, but they are not on the Wiki kb9vqf I have them on my local machine kb9vqf The ones on the Wiki will work, but they are test point qualoity kb9vqf *quality kb9vqf You will need to clean up the resulting code kb9vqf And no I'm not ready to publish my local scripts yet ;-0 kb9vqf ;-) kb9vqf aalecs: Yup, I never had anything like that happen under Debian aalecs same here under alt aalecs i got some alt machines in the world eugenesan <@kb9vqf> I can't find conversion tool on wiki. And are there any chance to get you local variant? I am ready to "clean" after it. kb9vqf eugenesan: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TQtAutomatedConversion kb9vqf The scripts are there aalecs eugenesan: you have to clean after the online variant aalecs :) eugenesan Thanks kb9vqf eugenesan: Also it looks like I did not upload the note 1 converter kb9vqf Hang on eugenesan ok kb9vqf eugenesan: The other three conversion scripts, which handle Note 1, are in SVN at trinity/trinity/dependencies/tqtinterface/qtinterface/convert* kb9vqf I didn't put them on the Wiki as they are pretty much finished eugenesan @kb9vqf: dependencies is not accesible without valid username kb9vqf eugenesan: It should be public access eugenesan @kb9vqf: Via SVN i mean, kb9vqf Did you use the anonsvn URL? kb9vqf svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/trinity/dependencies/tqtinterface ./ kb9vqf I know the TQt docs and scripts are a mess :) eugenesan @kb9vqf: Oh, I refered svn.trinitydesktop.org kb9vqf Ah kb9vqf That's our private dev repository kb9vqf Contains things like the non-public releases of TQt for Qt4 kb9vqf It's restricted so that people don't pull completely broken code eugenesan Didn't know tqtinterface exists in anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/trinity kb9vqf That's the Qt3 version kb9vqf The Qt3 version is stable kb9vqf The Qt4 version is on svn.trinitydesktop.org and is unstable kb9vqf There is a little more info here: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TrinityQt eugenesan Ok I'll stick with Qt3 for a while. But should I do anything special for future Qt4 compatibility? kb9vqf Just follow the TQt guidelines and you should be set eugenesan Ok, thanks for help kb9vqf np :) aalecs eugenesan: but what do you want to add to base ? eugenesan The component I am workign on is kscope eugenesan It heavely based on kate libs, so I decided to stick them togather aalecs nice aalecs good luck then aalecs :) eugenesan thanks aalecs pf sometimes i look at kids around, i was not that stupid at their age aalecs they broken glibc, but broken kids too aalecs they want to build sites, but don;t know what is a relative path kb9vqf :O *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-06T16:42:42Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> aalecs kb9vqf: you fallen kb9vqf yes kb9vqf I tried to launch a VM when I did not have enough RAM kb9vqf == instant crash aalecs heh aalecs kb aalecs --- #39 ruslandh <ruslandh@altlinux.org> 2011-04-06 20:43:26 --- aalecs I confirm that hack works aalecs Thanks :) aalecs so the malloc hack works kb9vqf hehe kb9vqf I discovered that myself :) kb9vqf Glad to hear it is of use aalecs we at alt are conservative and like kde3 :D i mean tde aalecs so want it a lot :D kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I'm doing my best to find the code that triggers the glibc bug kb9vqf Glad to hear that there is a dedicated user base out there! aalecs well, think at the fact that we build custom isos a lot, and like our DE/WN/etc to work well, not sluggish, and even on non powerfull systems aalecs :D aalecs so yeah, dont want kde4.. aalecs and gnome aalecs kde3, xfce, e17, fluxbox kb9vqf Gnome is only good for people who want to browse the internet :-P\ kb9vqf I tried to use it once aalecs hhhh kb9vqf It reminded me of Windows 3.1 in terms of functionality aalecs im on xfce, and will be back to kde soon aalecs xfce is kind of ok, fast enogh, knows custom scripts in menu aalecs is ok kb9vqf Well, if you want to enable the MALLOC_CHECK_ hack globally, just alter /opt/kde3/bin/startkde to export it somewhere near the beginning aalecs yup aalecs i know :) kb9vqf But you didn't hear that nastiness from me.... kb9vqf :) aalecs i prefer not hacking stuff kb9vqf me too kb9vqf well, hacking in the old sense is good kb9vqf i.e. improving software aalecs if i did know c/qt and had time i would of started to debug that aalecs but dont have time on a hand, and on the other.. i`m not a knower aalecs :D kb9vqf It's OK kb9vqf We can't expect everyone to be a C/Qt dev aalecs If MALLOC_CHECK_ is explicitly set a value other than 0, this causes aalecs glibc to perform more tests that are more extensive than the default, aalecs and may impact performance. kb9vqf There are very few people that are competent in those areas kb9vqf Right aalecs Should you have a program from a third party ISV that triggers these aalecs corruption checks and displays a message, you should file a defect aalecs report with the application's vendor, since this indicates a serious aalecs bug. aalecs ok, and the mate asks me where those messages should appear kb9vqf So enabling MALLOC_CHECK_ should actually enable more strict checking kb9vqf Yet here it works around the glibc internal bug aalecs And where you can see this message about the reason for failure? aalecs he asks me kb9vqf ? aalecs he wants to know where the messages should appear kb9vqf Which messages? aalecs well, i think he did not get it :D aalecs the messdages of failure aalecs if it does not fail, there will not be a message kb9vqf ah kb9vqf It depends on how you start Trinity kb9vqf Personally I kill kdesktop, then launch it from a terminal kb9vqf Then I can see the messages on that termanal aalecs yup aalecs he thought there would be a log or smth kb9vqf Hmm...valgrind is not detecting the leak with my original kdesktop binary kb9vqf Which is good :) kb9vqf s/leak/corruption/g aalecs well, on what glibc ? kb9vqf 2.26 kb9vqf I'm starting the VM now kb9vqf the VM has the recompiled kdesktop binary kb9vqf And it is also 2.26 aalecs you have MALLOC_CHECK_=1 now ? kb9vqf No kb9vqf I'm trying to trace the actual problem aalecs ah kb9vqf Just talking out loud I guess :) aalecs ah np aalecs is good to talk aalecs sharing etc :D kb9vqf :) aalecs maybe i`ll get to build my live image of kde 3, i have only a xfce one kb9vqf Anyway I have to wait for kdebase to compile in the VM now kb9vqf That would be a good idea kb9vqf Users love LiveCDs kb9vqf Allows them to try a new desktop out with very little effort aalecs well, when it will be solved i`ll build and drop you a link, so you can put it to users *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-06T17:04:18Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf ok kb9vqf There is actually a Community Downloads section on the Wiki kb9vqf You can put it there aalecs it will be a live iso with install capacity :D aalecs like user will be able to format and partition and install to disck aalecs disk* aalecs kb9vqf: aalecs https://attachments.bugzilla.altlinux.org/attachment.cgi?id=4867 aalecs if export MALLOC_CHECK_=3 it prints the errors to the log kb9vqf right kb9vqf it should kb9vqf That did not tell me anything new though :) aalecs eh, i did not know kb9vqf it's ok kb9vqf more information is a good thing :) kb9vqf Just don't set MALLOC_CHECK_ to 0 kb9vqf that would disable all memory corruption checking and pose a massive security risk eugenesan I am probably missing something, line:"sData = TQTextCodec::codecForLocale()->toUnicode(pToken->getData());" triggers error: "no matching function for call to ‘QTextCodec::toUnicode(const QString&)’" aalecs kb9vqf: malloc_check, what is it's default value ? kb9vqf aalecs: Unset kb9vqf but 1 gives the default behaviour with the improved memory checking kb9vqf eugenesan: getData probably does not return a TQString, but returns a QString kb9vqf sData = TQTextCodec::codecForLocale()->toUnicode(TQString(pToken->getData())); will work around it aalecs i have to learn qt for a app i want to build kb9vqf eugenesan: You are compiling against qt3, right? aalecs kb9vqf: offtopic: using a qt gui designer i can add the code too ? kb9vqf code for what? eugenesan @kb9vqf: I am starting to think I am not. I am using 2 days old snapshot from your PPA on quick (before being renamed to Tqt-qt4) aalecs code for the app aalecs i want to build an app to update products on a store aalecs and i have as a option gtk and qt aalecs mysql stuff mostly, and some file upload, delete ftp kb9vqf And you will be compiling against Trinity? aalecs trinity or qt4 aalecs serghei told me to use qt4 kb9vqf eugenesan: don't use TQt for Qt4 at this point! kb9vqf unless you want a lot of build issues :) kb9vqf It is more strict than TQt for Qt3 kb9vqf aalecs: It's up to you I guess kb9vqf if you are writing from scratch with no system integration needed then you can use Qt4 no problem kb9vqf as long as you don't need advanced desktop type stuff kb9vqf (which it sounds like you do not) eugenesan @kb9vqf: I probably have to define QT3_SUPPORT... kb9vqf NO kb9vqf we don't need it aalecs kb9vqf: sql and ftp, some images functions like rotate and resize aalecs basic kb9vqf right kb9vqf qt4 is fine kb9vqf eugenesan: Get it compiling/working with TQt for Qt3 kb9vqf then you can try to build it under Qt4 kb9vqf The problem is that we have very little documentation for TQt for Qt4 kb9vqf so it can be frustrating to work with ATM unless you know Qt ver, very well kb9vqf It is still under heavy development :) eugenesan @kb9vqf: Which snapshot sould I use? I prefer source-package for Ubuntu/Debian kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf eugenesan: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+files/libtqtinterface_3.5.13-0ubuntu7+r1226996+pr148.dsc kb9vqf Or rather https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+sourcepub/2024/+listing-archive-extra kb9vqf That is for Qt3 kb9vqf and is what you should be using eugenesan Currently using: 3.5.13-0ubuntu7+r1226996+pr131 kb9vqf well that is OK as well kb9vqf my guess is that your code itself may be broken kb9vqf that is, the kscope code eugenesan yes kb9vqf verify that QTextCodec actually has a toUnicode member kb9vqf http://www.trinitydesktop.org/docs kb9vqf Use the Qt3 search box :) eugenesan It does eugenesan Strange, if I chnage toUnicode to something else it failes with different error. And wrapping with TQString doesn't help kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf right, wrapping with TQString would only help with Qt4 kb9vqf You can tell what I've been working with lately ;-) kb9vqf Sorry, I don't know what to tell you other than it is not a TQt problem kb9vqf it is a problem in kscope and would occur under straight Qt3 as well eugenesan It's working with latest your latest kde3 snapshots on Ubuntu Lucid PPA kb9vqf did you use the automated conversion tools? kb9vqf They may have messed something up eugenesan Yes, but error was before also. kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf that still indicates a problem in the kscope code kb9vqf did you make sure that there are no errors before the mysterious one? kb9vqf or rather, can you pastebin the full build log? eugenesan I don't see any, ony mentioned error twice in single file. kb9vqf well, all I can say is verify all data types kb9vqf you'll find the problem eventually :) kb9vqf it will probably be something simple eugenesan This might be a compiler issue, I am building on Natty with 4.5.2 eugenesan Will dig and update you in case I found something interesting :-) kb9vqf ok, sounds good kb9vqf thanks :) *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop samelian very funny: http://www.junauza.com/2011/04/lady-gaga-goes-gaga-over-ubuntu.html MutantTurkey what a complete idiot MutantTurkey she is so idiotic it is ridiculous. clearly she doesn't understand what F/OSS is samelian hehe samelian this new is ofc 1 april fool MutantTurkey oh good *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop samelian for 1 april I wanted to announce that we drop cmake and change it with SCons :) MutantTurkey :p MutantTurkey scons, I saw that, what is it? samelian a build system, on top of python MutantTurkey D: samelian this was first choice when kde4 guys dropped autotools MutantTurkey I do not like python at all. samelian me neither samelian is pretty slow MutantTurkey crappy, bloated, slow MutantTurkey poor coding patterns, not concise. MutantTurkey it is a dumbed down lang for people who can't handle real ones like C++ and C samelian hehe *eugenesan has joined #trinity-desktop eugenesan @kb9vqf: Hi, Found what is wrong with TQTextCodec::codecForLocale()->toUnicode. It doesn't accept TQString, only TQCString. Can I cast or convert? kb9vqf eugenesan: Yes kb9vqf TQCString(my_qstring) kb9vqf Oh well, looks like he left :-/ *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs ruby is ok, to python *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs guys ? aalecs samelian kb9vqf aalecs MutantTurkey: *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede| has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf yes? MutantTurkey aacles: sorry was out *Qu4Z_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Mia5 has joined #trinity-desktop *eugenesan has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs kb9vqf: will try the patch aalecs hello *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *eugenesan has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs kb9vqf: well, all ok aalecs built, updated, thank you :) *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *KonquiDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KonquiDavid has left #trinity-desktop *KonquiDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KonquiDavid has left #trinity-desktop *KonquiDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KonquiDavid has left #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop aalecs hehe aalecs using tde 3.5.13 like aalecs :D kb9vqf aalecs: So it works 100% now? :) kb9vqf If so, could you mark the bug report as resolved/fixed? aalecs ok aalecs would be better to apply the rest of the patches too ? aalecs i applied only the last one aalecs the one you linked me aalecs now i just want my gtk apps running under kde to look good, with their gtk icons or with icons chosen by me, not the hicolor ones kb9vqf aalecs: If you apply the rest of the patches you will merely end up with a copy of SVN HEAD kb9vqf you probably don't want to do that :) kb9vqf as far as the GTK apps go, look for the qt-gtk-* package in QuickBuild kb9vqf that's what you would need aalecs yeah, i know :D aalecs i`m a former kde user *kb9vqf does not remember the exact name offhand kb9vqf ok kb9vqf great! aalecs but the folks at alt did not package that aalecs so i have to do it kb9vqf ah aalecs but there's no problem kb9vqf :) aalecs anyway, works ak all kb9vqf glad to hear it aalecs minus the fact that the default option of konqueror is open images in self, not in their app kb9vqf ah, yes aalecs (that was always smth to nag me) kb9vqf well, how about bringing it up in the meeting? kb9vqf meetings are a good place to discuss default settings aalecs okay :) aalecs well, i will. plus i`ll try building that live iso soon aalecs but first i want to integrate baghira kb9vqf sure aalecs i have to port it from qt to tqt aalecs hope i`ll manage :D kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Ask any questions here... kb9vqf or on the ML aalecs oke aalecs http://baghira.sourceforge.net/pix/ssp/shot5.jpg kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I can only imagine what an Apple fanboi would say aalecs ah. when will we get rid of hal and pass on to udev ? kb9vqf serghei was working on that but I think it stalled due to the higher CMake priority kb9vqf I wrote up the specs for the requisite library a while back now kb9vqf so we just need someone to implement it aalecs well, stable branch of alt is anyway on hal still , so i will be able to manage a live build workable with media management too kb9vqf good kb9vqf sorry for the slow progress in those areas aalecs will be fun to have a build like this, like our gnome "brothers" aalecs you don't have to appologize aalecs we're a hand of people interested and debugging and trying, and just 2 developers.. kb9vqf I know, I just wish we could make faster progress aalecs you and serghei aalecs anyway, tde is doing good, if we think that kde 3 was killed a lot while ago, and what you did in so little time kb9vqf :) aalecs we have a working environment, slim and cool kb9vqf I use it daily on many machines kb9vqf Very few problems kb9vqf Actually, most of the problem I have are from an old KDE 3.5.10 boatanchor I never got around to updating :-P aalecs oh aalecs :D aalecs ah, could we get rid off the kickof style in panel ? kb9vqf ? aalecs its default looks ugly anyway kb9vqf oh, that kb9vqf well, it's a configuration option kb9vqf don't like it, don't use it aalecs aham, ok :D aalecs i remember kde 3.5.10 did not have that kb9vqf Right aalecs that was my point kb9vqf kickoff was a popular request feature kb9vqf so it is in there and can be enabled, but only if you want it aalecs ah aalecs well, if it`s a feature, ok :D kb9vqf I would beg to differ on that, but hey, I like KMenu :D *kb9vqf thinks Kickoff belongs on Windows Vista aalecs CORRECTLY :D aalecs i like standard kde menu, not kickoff kb9vqf well, opensuse used kickoff, so I guess there is a percentage of KDE 3 users that got used to it :-/ kb9vqf no sense alienating them over one simple "feature" aalecs ah yes aalecs correctly kb9vqf anyway, I need to get back to work kb9vqf thanks for testing :) aalecs same here aalecs no problem, will be in touch around aalecs good luck with what you were doing *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *aalecs has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *jumpship has left #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *ubuntu has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 i was wondering what a kde3 alternative to partitionmanager is cpatrick08 nevermind i found it *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *jumpship has left #trinity-desktop *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *andycc has joined #trinity-desktop andycc Hello... andycc I have a small question about TDE andycc Is there any kind of GUI to modify startup applications? I know KDE3 had something like this, but I can't seem to find it in TDE. *andycc has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *andycc has joined #trinity-desktop andycc Hello, I need some help with TDE: is there any kind of GUI to modify startup applications? I know KDE3 had something like this, but I can't seem to find it in TDE. Xu_R if KDE3 had it Xu_R then TDE would also Xu_R we didn't leave anything out. andycc I pretty much looked everywhere and didn't find it. andycc Using TDE 3.5.12 on Maverick, and kcmshell seems to be lacking some things. andycc (I did install pretty much every kde3 metapackage I could find) Xu_R andycc: that's not possible, I'm looking at it my kcontrol right now and I see pretty much everything, including the startup applications andycc Xu_R: I searched in both kcmshell and the main menu for "startup"; no relevant hits. andycc And I did everything as the installation page said. Added repos, installed kubuntu-*-kde3, plus the metapackages. ... andycc (by the way, kde-kde3 is broken...) andycc Xu_R: what distro are you running TDE on? *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Mias has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-10T19:48:35Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-10T20:09:20Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Mias has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *Pual has joined #trinity-desktop Pual Hello people Pual Please, don't stop the project Pual cdahmedeh: don't stop the project cdahmedeh what are you talking about ? Pual trinity desktop evironment cdahmedeh i'm not a developer Pual are you user? cdahmedeh occasional user Pual good. what is your flavor? cdahmedeh well i use it on my laptop with arch cdahmedeh with xfce cdahmedeh like sometimes i use kde3 and other times xfce Pual arch is good but I'm lazy cdahmedeh yeah it's requires lots of work cdahmedeh it's not as bad as gentoo though cdahmedeh i have gentoo on my desktop cdahmedeh as a test machine Pual i am using ubuntu and i love xfce and gnome 2 and kde 3 Pual cdahmedeh: cdahmedeh those desktop enviroments are great Pual gnome 3 is sux and kde 4 is rox Pual :( cdahmedeh well gnome 3 is highly disappointing cdahmedeh kde 4 has improved greatly cdahmedeh it's hard to tell what's going to happen to gnome 3 at this point though Pual I'm afraid of being invaded using trinity cdahmedeh what do you mean ? Pual trinity is made by hackers Pual i have fear but i need this cdahmedeh oh don't worry Pual i have only 1Gigabyte of ram cdahmedeh no one is going to invade you Pual my CPU is atom cdahmedeh trinity is a good choice if you have limited ressources Pual i am poor and i cant pay for project cdahmedeh no one is forcing you to cdahmedeh just enjoy using it cdahmedeh and spread the word cdahmedeh that's a great way of support without paying money cdahmedeh submitting bug reports is also a good idea Pual I cant report bugs only Pual Linux is better than windows cdahmedeh in many cases it is Pual but linux is weak in video studio Pual :( Pual i have windows xp in dual boot cdahmedeh for video editing you mean ? cdahmedeh what kind of software do you use ? Pual i want a good DVD editor like VSO Pual do you know? cdahmedeh what does VSO do ? Pual ConvertXtoDVD Pual do you know? Pual Richard Stallman is a good person cdahmedeh no, i'm not very familiar with that software unfortunately Pual :') cdahmedeh check alternativeto.org cdahmedeh it might help Pual ok Pual Are you have fear using Linux? Pual Why canonical is not made Tribuntu version? Pual Kde version have little bugs but is rox a lot cdahmedeh no i don't have any fear of using linux Pual Linux is made by hackers and crackers cdahmedeh linux is made by hackers and programmers cdahmedeh hackers are good people cdahmedeh their are people who thinker with software and hardware for the good of humanity Pual Man i hate adobe Pual adobe dont port photoshop for linux Pual Gimp is good but gimp is weak cdahmedeh there are great alternatives to photoshop cdahmedeh there are many plugins for gimp cdahmedeh i used to be a photoshop user many years ago cdahmedeh when i switched over to gimp cdahmedeh it was hard at first, but eventually you'll get used to it cdahmedeh you should be able to do most of the tasks that you did with photoshop Pual yeah Pual hey man are you used gnu/hurd? cdahmedeh i've heard of it, but i've never used it Pual hurd is stable now hehehe cdahmedeh i've heart that it's come a long way, but it doesn't seem ready for any serious productivity work cdahmedeh i might be wrong cdahmedeh i know debian experimental has support for the hurd kernel Pual Richard Stallman is crazy. He is very poor cdahmedeh not everyone cares about money Pual But money buys hardware Pual no hardware, no linux cdahmedeh yes i know, but you don't need fancy hardware to do everything cdahmedeh i recently built a desktop for 300$, that has a 1gb gpu and dual core intel cpu cdahmedeh and 2gb of ram cdahmedeh it's decent Pual yes cdahmedeh for basic desktop work and light gaming Pual i will buy more 3gb of ram cdahmedeh linux runs well even on weak hardware, so you don't need to worry about having fancy hardware Pual Linux still works bad on new hardware. cdahmedeh you have to research your choice before you make any new purchases Pual companies do not want drivers. cdahmedeh many companies don't develop drivers for linux cdahmedeh because it's not economically viable for them cdahmedeh or because they believe that the linux market share is insignificant Pual yes Pual reverse enginering cdahmedeh sometimes that can work for simple hardware cdahmedeh but for more complicated hardware, like wireless cards, and especially GPUs, it can be very challenging cdahmedeh it is not the case Pual yes Pual in my contry the people hates linux cdahmedeh what country are you in ? Pual Brazil cdahmedeh why do people hate it ? Pual why linux not have windows proprietary programs and Pual the linux amsn, emesene, pidgin *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey samelian? cdahmedeh you have to keep in mind for some people compatibility with windows is very important cdahmedeh so linux isn't a choice for them cdahmedeh and others are just not open minded to trying different software MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey dude you around? i've been having this problem for a while, can't seem to build MutantTurkey cdahmedeh: what are we talking about? Pual why turkey people makes worms for windows? cdahmedeh i'm talking to Pual, he says that people in brazil do not like linux MutantTurkey if you got a problem with turkeys, you can mess with me. cdahmedeh hey MutantTurkey ! cdahmedeh i remember you from somewhere MutantTurkey I though brazil loves linux? MutantTurkey cdahmedeh: #archlinux? cdahmedeh possibly MutantTurkey hmmm, that or #ubuntu-us-pa MutantTurkey i troll around the internet a fair bit. cdahmedeh most likely #archlinux Pual the brasilian people uses msn protocol MutantTurkey definitely MutantTurkey Pual: I've not used msn alot, mostly just jabber cdahmedeh yes the famous msn protocol, i have to use it daily cdahmedeh it seems to work fine in pidgin MutantTurkey Xu_R: yo buddy whens the next meeting? MutantTurkey cdahmedeh: i love and hate pidgin it's so bloated but so great cdahmedeh yes it's a love hate relationship Pual brazilian people uses voice in msn messenger cdahmedeh yeah i don't know anything on linux that supports that Pual amsn, pidgin and emesene not support MutantTurkey cdahmedeh: agreed. i was working on a libpurple frontend a while ago Pual why microsoft monopolyze the program cdahmedeh it's microsoft cdahmedeh it's all about monopoly Pual I am a microsoft slave MutantTurkey lol MutantTurkey microsoft bah MutantTurkey cdahmedeh: hmmmm, yes now i am thinking about it i do recognize you cdahmedeh yay! i'm too lazy too look at my logs cdahmedeh irc logs are a big hassle to look through MutantTurkey logs logs logs yes agreed Pual People i will go Pual bye MutantTurkey goodbye Pual MutantTurkey damnit cdahmedeh lol he's fast MutantTurkey they always quit before i can say it. cdahmedeh anyways, that was interesting conversation cdahmedeh Pual feared linux because it was made by hackers and crackers or something MutantTurkey I probably should be going actually, I've got class in the morning cdahmedeh i have an exam tomorrow ! MutantTurkey lol what trollish ideas MutantTurkey me too D: cdahmedeh i have some MutantTurkey this week is the worst, and i just got a new job MutantTurkey i am dying cdahmedeh engineering ethics exam cdahmedeh oh same, i have three exams in a row MutantTurkey oh thats awful MutantTurkey i only have two classes tomorrow, but this week is alot of work MutantTurkey anyway, cdahmedeh see you around yes? good. cdahmedeh and congrats on the new job cdahmedeh and see you later aswell MutantTurkey thank you MutantTurkey proud cashier at the 7/11! :p cdahmedeh YES *cdahmedeh high fives MutantTurkey MutantTurkey so nice. i love th sev *MutantTurkey double backflips then high fives cdahmedeh MutantTurkey alright cya' *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop field_it still got no context menu in konq using debian testing.. *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Pual has joined #trinity-desktop Pual Hello developers Pual Don't stop the project *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *ShadowedWarrior has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *andycc has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Pual has joined #trinity-desktop Pual Hello people *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Xu_R: We need a meeting soon--please post something to the list :) kb9vqf !seen samelian tbottu samelian was last seen 5 days, 8 hours, 6 minutes and a second ago, saying 'hehe' in #trinity-desktop. kb9vqf ^^^ that's not good :( kb9vqf gn all Qu4Z_ Night Qu4Z That's better. K`zan :-) *andycc has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|School kb9vqf: there's one scheduled for next wednesday... Xu_R|School kb9vqf: sent an email to trinity-announce as well. *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: You're back :) kb9vqf Can you focus CMake porting efforts on kdesdk next? samelian kb9vqf: actually I start it already samelian because I need cervisia to complete kdevelop kb9vqf oh, ok kb9vqf yes kb9vqf that is what I noticed as well samelian unfortunately i'm busy right now, so cmake porting slow down *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop Qu4Z Question to the channel: Is there a trinity overlay for Gentoo? Qu4Z I think there was some discussion of using #kde-sunset a while back? Qu4Z I mean kde-sunset. It's not a channel <_< kb9vqf I wouldn't know for sure, but I think there is NOT an overlay at this time due to our CMake conversion still being in progress kb9vqf samelian might know :) Qu4Z Apparently he left instead. :P Qu4Z If there isn't, I might look into making one for 3.5.12 Qu4Z Why would an overlay block on CMake conversion? Or is it just a manpower thing? *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-13T12:17:32Z">+o tbottu </mode> *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *ndionisio has joined #trinity-desktop ndionisio hi *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Qu4Z: Because Automake broke compilation with their 2.64 version kb9vqf They know about it but they claim it's our problem to fix it in our Automake files kb9vqf With no guarantee that they won't do the same thing again, we decided to switch to CMake instead kb9vqf also, samelian is very busy right now :) kb9vqf I would suggest posting a question to the mailing lists *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop Qu4Z kb9vqf: Ah, okay. That makes sense. *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *adamkex has joined #trinity-desktop adamkex can i run non-kde qt4 programs in trinity? such as clementine or spotify? adamkex and i mean qt4, and not tqt-qt4 (?) sorry i was reading some irc logs and i didn't understand everything. i am eager to try it out whenever someone makes a portage overlay for it Qu4Z adamkex: I'm waiting on a portage overlay as well Qu4Z And I see no reason why you couldn't run non-kde qt4 programs. They just won't be able to make user of Trinity's niceness. Qu4Z Also, high five for clementine *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop Qu4Z Are there plans to move konqueror to using webkit for web rendering? Qu4Z Also, I'm enjoying the Community Supported RFE idea. *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop Qu4Z Oh, never mind. Found it as a 3.5.15 or later goal on the webs adamkex Qu4Z: hehe, my qt4 programs are not generally using the default qt looks, they have their own buttons and such, not sure if clemtine uses the default though. i am waiting for spotify support in clementine, the official spotify client (coinsidentally also uses qt) does not support playing my own music files, only the ones on their server *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop adamkex are there kde/tde themes for trinity? there was a really nice one for arch linux (kde-mod iirc) *Z_God_Z has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Pual has joined #trinity-desktop Pual Hello people Pual adamkex: don`t stop the project Pual I will back Pual bye Xu_R ....Who is this Pual person anyway? Xu_R and hoping everyone knows... adamkex i won't stop the project like a baus adamkex lol, he thinks i am a dev *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-15T18:52:28Z">+o tbottu </mode> Xu_R kb9vqf: will do. *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R yikes Xu_R wrong notice >_> Xu_R I mean Xu_R wrong channel Xu_R oops. affect lol Xu_R yea... I'm hosting a meeting on another channel. Xu_R btw, make sure everyone knows that there will be a meeting for Trinity Tuesday/Wednesday! affect can't do, I'm currently depressed because of gnome being too irrational, inconsistent and non-straightforward compared with kde3 Xu_R lol XD Xu_R well, i'm off to some dinner (PASTAAA) brb :P kb9vqf samelian: Out of curiosity when do you think you might have a preliminary set of CMake files for kdesdk? samelian kb9vqf: not sure, right now I'm busy with my personal things kb9vqf ok kb9vqf have you committed what you have to SVN already? kb9vqf I may help out if I have time samelian nope, is not usable yet samelian I will commit it when cervisia will be done kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thanks :) samelian sorry for my long silence :) samelian I will resume cmake work after 1-2 weeks, I hope kb9vqf it's OK kb9vqf take your time kb9vqf I think you probably have the most under-appreciated job here to be honest :) samelian hehe kb9vqf also in case you are interested I added the Qt4 porting goals to the next meeting Etherpad kb9vqf *TQt4 samelian aha, nice kb9vqf I will try to make it to this next meeting kb9vqf if at all possible samelian when will be next meeting? Xu_R I have still yet to get any indication from people Xu_R only people responded to doodle is Piki and MutantTurkey samelian I will try to be present anyway Xu_R I made the times European friendly (I don't want you guys sleeping at 4 AM again) kb9vqf well, your original times of 2PM EST on the 19 or 20th would work for me kb9vqf most likely, anyway Xu_R kb9vqf: and I am aiming for those times *kb9vqf does not know the details of his work schedule this far in advance kb9vqf any little emergencies that tend to crop up during the workday, etc. ;-) Xu_R :P *wolfy_ has joined #trinity-desktop wolfy_ hello wolfy_ I am running ubuntu, this magic distro lol wolfy_ it is safe to install along kubuntu the trinity-desktop? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *wolfy_ has joined #trinity-desktop wolfy_ phttp://pastebin.com/7htqFu1Q *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Do you have a minute to look at an Amarok CMake problem? kb9vqf https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3887 samelian kb9vqf: ok kb9vqf thanks :) samelian kb9vqf: done kb9vqf ok, thanks samelian welcome samelian kb9vqf: but there is a problem with TQGLWidget kb9vqf what kind of problem? samelian In file included from /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/analyzers/analyzerbase.cpp:18:0: samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/analyzers/analyzerbase.h:31:0: warning: "TQGLWidget" redefined samelian /usr/include/tqt/tqt.h:393:0: note: this is the location of the previous definition samelian In file included from /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/analyzers/analyzerbase.cpp:279:0: samelian /var/tmp/amarok.build/amarok/src/analyzers/analyzerbase.moc: In static member function 'static QMetaObject* Analyzer::Base3D::staticMetaObject()': samelian /var/tmp/amarok.build/amarok/src/analyzers/analyzerbase.moc:136:38: error: 'QGLWidget' was not declared in this scope samelian /var/tmp/amarok.build/amarok/src/analyzers/analyzerbase.moc:136:47: error: template argument 1 is invalid samelian maybe because my tqt is old, i'm not sure kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf ok kb9vqf I'll look into it samelian ok kb9vqf i figured I'd start building some apps while I wait for kdesdk kb9vqf can you add the CMake enabled apps to the CMake status Etherpad? kb9vqf so I know which ones to build? samelian sure kb9vqf thanks samelian kb9vqf: done kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thanks kb9vqf you forgot amarok kb9vqf or is it not yet ready? kb9vqf :) samelian hehe, I added it too kb9vqf i saw that kb9vqf etherpad is pretty cool for real time stuff :) *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: http://pastebin.com/tXY82Zuq kb9vqf never mind, fixed it myself kb9vqf samelian: Any chance of getting the Amarok docs build working under CMake? *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-17T01:55:50Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *16SAAAXVM has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-17T18:49:12Z">+o tbottu </mode> kb9vqf must have had another netsplit or something :-/ Xu_R kb9vqf: probably :-\ kb9vqf any ideas for permanently banning Vile/Rejin? Xu_R kb9vqf: hostmask ban? he always accesses through webchat... kb9vqf do you have his hostmask? *kb9vqf does not unfortunately Xu_R kb9vqf: !bb3ab73e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.58.183.62 kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf has not done this before...here goes.... <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="kb9vqf" time="2011-04-17T18:51:46Z">+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.58.183.62 </mode> Xu_R and now I will test... *Xu_R|Webchat has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf well I banned his IP Xu_R|Webchat looks like it doesn't ban the rest of webchat :P kb9vqf that's good :) Xu_R :D kb9vqf of course if he's on DHCP then it will change, but if he shows back up then just poke me with the new IP Xu_R sure... kb9vqf I may end up blocking his DHCP block of addresses Xu_R lol... *kb9vqf can't stand trools kb9vqf *trolls rather Xu_R hehehe :P Baho samlian: kdepim still breaks-->kdepim/kmail/kmmainwidget.cpp:610:55: error: invalid conversion from 'QObject*' to 'KListView*' kb9vqf Baho: That might actually be me kb9vqf let me look at the affected code Baho OK kb9vqf Baho: Fixed in SVN revision 1228345. Baho OK, Thanks all.... I will try again kb9vqf np :) Baho OK kdepim now builds, anyone up for amarok error? kb9vqf working on amarok now, what's the error? Baho undefined reference to `QGLWidget::glDraw()' kb9vqf hmm kb9vqf haven't seen that one before kb9vqf I have a large commit that will go in later on today kb9vqf why don't you try it then kb9vqf in case it got fixed while I was working on other stuff Baho OK I wait... I have to get lunch any way kb9vqf ok Baho Where is the best place to get info on the cmake port progress? Xu_R Baho: etherpad Baho OK Thanks kb9vqf see the topic for the link to the CMake port progress etherpad :) kb9vqf samelian: Any chance of getting CMake support for the Amarok documentation? samelian kb9vqf: I think yes, should be pretty simple actually kb9vqf ok, sounds good :) *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop K`zan geda - gschem segfaulting wouldn't have anything to do with Trinity, would it ? kb9vqf it might kb9vqf if the segfault is on open/save K`zan Yes it is, both. K`zan Lemme try switching UIs and see if it still does it. *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop K`zan :-) Trinity is the only one I have on this box, installing something else, bbiab. *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop K`zan kb9vqf: de wv9k :-) gschem works normally under xfce, loads and saves with no error. What can I do to help? kb9vqf K`zan: Nice to see another ham :) You can deactivate the Trinity file selection dialogs kb9vqf removing gtk-qt-engine-kde3 should do the trick kb9vqf sorry, wrong package kb9vqf kgtk-qt3-kde3 is what you would want to remove kb9vqf gtk-qt-engine-kde3 just handles the overall GTK app look&feel kb9vqf alternatively you can remove a single file kb9vqf in fact I think there is an issue with removing the kgtk-qt3-kde3 package, some sort of dependency problem kb9vqf if that is true, then you can remove the /opt/kde3/share/kgtk/preload file and it will also deactivate the offending deature kb9vqf *feature K`zan Thanks, catching up... K`zan OK, lemme go back into trinity and give that a go. K`zan brb *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop K`zan Hummm, seem to have two packages rather similar: K`zan kubuntu-kgtk-kde3 K`zan and kb9vqf It would probably be easiest to just delete /opt/kde3/share/kgtk/preload and log out/log in K`zan kgtk-qt3-kde3 <-- installed, kb9vqf there are some technical reasons why I can't rebuild the packages to fix the dependency issue unfortunately kb9vqf needless to say the dependency problems will be fixed in the next release :) K`zan No problem, just if I can assist in any way I would like to do so :-). kb9vqf what can you do? K`zan -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31 2010-09-09 13:25 /opt/kde3/share/kgtk/preload K`zan I have no idea :-/. kb9vqf yes, that's it kb9vqf just remove it K`zan Gone! kb9vqf Now log out / log in K`zan rr, brb. kb9vqf that should resolve the crashing problem *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop K`zan That took care of the problem! Tnx MUCH! K`zan Need to look at your site and see if I fit into any "help wanted" slots, you are doing a GREAT service keeping Trinity going. K`zan One last silly question, is it possible to increase the number of desktops beyond 20? kb9vqf No idea kb9vqf I would personally run into taskbar pager width problems well before 20 :) K`zan Multiple rows ;-). kb9vqf K`zan: I do want someone to help with Debian packagin kb9vqf *packaging kb9vqf Not sure if you have any experience but I thought I'd ask... :) K`zan Not that I need them, I just wondered if the 20 limit was there for a reason. kb9vqf It might be a free desktop specification, I'm honestly not sure K`zan I'm on ubuntu 10.10, but I do have a deb5 install kb9vqf Debian/Ubuntu are almost identical on the packaging end K`zan No I don't but I can learn. Time might be an issue, don't know, but willing to try. kb9vqf Well, you can start by looking through some of the spec files on http://svn.trinitydesktop.org K`zan Desktops >20 not important, just wondered. kb9vqf My initial guess is that someone just set the maximum number for the slider at 20 kb9vqf it can probably be overridden in the configuration file K`zan I know one person who has 29, although I can't imagine using that many, I have 8 and that is obscene :). Qu4Z kb9vqf: Is there anything that can't be overridden in the config? :P kb9vqf Probably not :-P K`zan LOL, probably not :) Qu4Z I barely use 4, but then I learned on Windows, so it's taken a while to aquire "good linux habits" K`zan Okdokee, got the link, got it bookmarked. Will look it over and see what I can find about package building too. *kb9vqf proudly announces that TQt4 strikes again, it just recreated Clementine in about 1 day of time spent porting Amarok to TQt :)) kb9vqf sure Qu4Z Does it work on Windows? :P Xu_R kb9vqf: seriously? :D kb9vqf No K`zan :-) I used to run 20, but contrary to popular belief I do occasonally close things I am not planning on using for a few days :). Qu4Z (stuck on Win7 at work :/) Qu4Z kb9vqf: Then it's missing Clementine's most important feature Qu4Z :P kb9vqf ok K`zan There is someing called multi-desk for wincrap, IIRC it works on 7 too.. kb9vqf well, that's different w.r.t. Clementine Qu4Z I don't use Clem on Windows, 'cause there's Amarok 1.4... kb9vqf right kb9vqf my focus is only on Unix-ish systems Qu4Z Although at some point Clem may overtake Amarok 1.4 in features, etc kb9vqf unless we backport them.... Qu4Z kb9vqf: I don't blame you at all, and I fully agree with your focus Xu_R Clementine - Mandriva is using it for default now too :P kb9vqf But Clementine is essentially a Qt4 port of Amarok 1.4 IIRC kb9vqf that is what I did in one day Qu4Z I don't think there's a point trying to get any of this awesome stuff working. My point was just that there's more to Clementine that just aQt4 version of Amarok 1.4 Qu4Z Yeah. TQt seems to be working really well :) kb9vqf so far, so good kb9vqf it has problems still, but that is to be expected Xu_R hmm... how many groups do you think we can get on with TQT? Xu_R :P Xu_R (the ones that hate kde bloatware but LOVE Qt are the easiest to attract) Xu_R (well, kde4 bloatware) kb9vqf K`zan: Fogot to mention that you can use the QuickBuild system to build the packages, so you don't need super powerful hardware Qu4Z I have to admit I was (and still am) a bit worried that trying to abstract over the two APIs will either lead to a crappy API, or have trouble adapting to future API changes kb9vqf That is definitely a concern Qu4Z KDE3 is probably a bit bloaty for some projects Qu4Z But one person's bloat is another person's amazing features :P kb9vqf TQt basically holds to the Qt3 API, but extends it where practical Qu4Z Ah. play Qu4Z *Ah, okay kb9vqf instead of just wholesale replacing classes with different classes that really do the same thing kb9vqf a.k.a. Qt4 Qu4Z I have to wonder why they changed the API for Qt4. I'm assuming they thought they'd get some net win out of the new API, no? Xu_R kb9vqf: on a scale from one to ten, with ten = done, how far are you? kb9vqf Qt4 changed the class system to appeal to mobile phone devs Qu4Z Oh, okay. kb9vqf Xu_R: With TQt itself: 5 kb9vqf or 6 Qu4Z That seems a bit pointless Xu_R very nice :D kb9vqf It also made it easier to maintiain internally from what I can tell Xu_R Qu4Z: Sounds MeeGo much to me Qu4Z Yeah kb9vqf Nokia wanted to focus on whiz-bang graphics Xu_R oh, yea. now it really sounds like Meego. kb9vqf so they dumbed down/removed a lot of other stuff Qu4Z kb9vqf: See, I'm thinking they may have wanted more uniformity of API, or some other features we're missing out on by wrapping it kb9vqf It's possible kb9vqf but what drove that was the fact that the graphics API was changing Qu4Z Right, makes sense kb9vqf here's my thought: Yes, we may be "missing out" on a simplified API kb9vqf BUT Qu4Z Well, there's no reason we can't slowly tidy up TQt's external API if it becomes ugly. But incrementally, so we don't break everything majorly kb9vqf how complex would the Trinity code itself then have to be to add back in the missing feature? Qu4Z Yeah, that's true. kb9vqf answer: Very complex and very muddy *kb9vqf knows from experience Qu4Z I assumed a simplified API wouldn't be less featureful, just more consistent, etc kb9vqf right kb9vqf and then Trinity has to grow in size in response Qu4Z Why? Qu4Z But yeah. TQt seems like it's working out really well despite my initial misgivings, so good choice :) kb9vqf oh, sorry, misread your post kb9vqf thought you said would, not wouldn't :) Qu4Z Oh, right :) kb9vqf the problem with "simplified" is that it is the opposite of "complex" kb9vqf meaning something has to go Qu4Z Yeah. I don't actually know. I have to admit I haven't played with Qt4 much, and have little idea of the KDE/Trinity internals kb9vqf think CISC versus RISC kb9vqf With CISC you have fewer high level commands to do something kb9vqf that is, fewer assembler program lines kb9vqf but the price is that the instruction set (API) is more complex and kind of ugly Qu4Z Yeah kb9vqf I think of it this way: if you want to do something complex part of the code will be messy no matter what you do kb9vqf so where do you want the mess? kb9vqf I think it should be in a lower level library that can be called upon, instead of having problems with every new app you want to write kb9vqf Nokia just thinks you should remove the mess by removing features Qu4Z Makes sense K`zan If you gotta use wincrap, this makes it somewhat less painful: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/Trinity-tmp/ kb9vqf :) kb9vqf To Nokia's credit, they have been adding some API calls back in with the latest versions (4.7, 4.8) K`zan Used it for years and I *think* I installed it on 7 or maybe vista, still works IIRC... Qu4Z K`zan: Thanks :) K`zan NP, let me know if all goes well, I know it works on XP. *K`zan off to see what I can learn about packaging... Qu4Z kb9vqf: Yeah, well as long as TQt doesn't end up being fugly on the outside 'cause it has to wrap both Qt3 and Qt4 it should be fine :) kb9vqf hehe kb9vqf trying not to make it ugly... :) kb9vqf There is actually one area where it has already made the Trinity code cleaner kb9vqf specifically, rather than static_cast<QObject*>(xxy) you can now just do TQT_TQOBJECT(xxy) kb9vqf it's easier to look at kb9vqf same with QWidget, etc. Qu4Z K`zan: Seems to work so far. I'll tell you if I have troubles :) K`zan Wonderful! Qu4Z There are a couple of GUI changes I'd make, though <_< K`zan I have had that for ages, no idea where it came from now. Qu4Z Doesn't seem to be an easy way of moving windows between desktops in single icon mode kb9vqf there are a few changes I would make to Windows in general ;-) Qu4Z More than a few orz kb9vqf Did I say few? Maybe more like a million little changes ;-) kb9vqf With the latest versions needing even more help K`zan deb packaging directories seem to be empty, looking at the ubuntu stuff to see if I can make sense of it... kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf yes, Debian is empty kb9vqf you want ubuntu/maverick/ Qu4Z lol, the site mentioned on the settings page of that program doesn't seem to have been updated in almost eleven years :P K`zan I always wipe after using wincrap :-). kb9vqf hehe K`zan THat is where I am perusing ATM. Qu4Z http://techsuperior.com/images/at_work_icon.gif <-- and it uses this icon Qu4Z It's like a flashback to the 90s kb9vqf !seen samelian tbottu samelian was last seen 8 hours, 21 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying 'kb9vqf: I think yes, should be pretty simple actually' in #trinity-desktop. Qu4Z Not as simple as he thought, apparently kb9vqf my thoughts exactly kb9vqf I needed him to add the Amarok documentation to CMake before the Ubuntu builds can finish Qu4Z Ah, okay kb9vqf all the Amarok source compiles fine, but the builds halt on the empty docs folder :-/ Qu4Z :/ Qu4Z Some sort of stub implementation for now? Qu4Z lol, troll article from 2010: "For that matter, is KDE 3.5.11's speed and stability worth doing without the innovations of the KDE 4 desktop, such as folder view, the semantic desktop, the social desktop, remotely run widgets, or arranging apps in tabs in the same window?" K`zan kb9vqf: No problem, machines here are large and furry for the most part :). Qu4Z So my wishlist is gentoo overlay (which I understand is blocking on CMake conversion) and Webkit support in Konqueror (as that's the part of KDE3 that gives me most issues. The KHTML part is ... pretty incompatible these days). I understand that the webkit thing is blocking on Qt4 conversion, which is scheduled mostly after CMake (the release after, I think?) Qu4Z Now, I know everyone's busy, and I'm not coming in here saying "Fix my pet issues". What I want to ask is what part of the project would I get the most bang-for-buck working on, given those goals? K`zan Yikes, quickbuild is just a WHOLE LOT outside of my budget... Qu4Z K`zan: Don't they have a separate license for OSS or something? kb9vqf "innovations"? Those are the main problems with KDE4 IMHO Qu4Z kb9vqf: If they stayed out of the way until you wanted to use them, it'd be fine kb9vqf yeah, but they don't Qu4Z Exactly kb9vqf the entire desktop is built around them Qu4Z And they're slow, on top of that Qu4Z Yeah Qu4Z And I don't need to tweet my keypresses or anything kb9vqf of course from what I can tell a lot of those "innovations" were actually driven by the new Qt4 API and its end-user experience goals K`zan Shareware, $2199, not sure if that is the full version or not: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Information-Management/QuickBuild-8441.shtml kb9vqf which is why KDE4 seems to belong on a cell phone :-/ kb9vqf K`zan: Wrong software :) Qu4Z Ouch, K`zan kb9vqf https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity K`zan Whew.... kb9vqf or https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net Qu4Z kb9vqf :) kb9vqf QuickBuild is a Web service, a customized installation of Canonical's Launchpad suite of tools kb9vqf it allows you to submit Debian packages to the Trinity build farm for building and publishing to the global mirror system K`zan Just FWIW: This Connection is Untrusted K`zan K`zan K`zan K`zan K`zan K`zan K`zan You have asked Firefox to connect kb9vqf Yeah, I know Qu4Z Qu4Z K`zan securely to quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. Qu4Z Qu4Z K`zan kb9vqf I can't afford a security certificate for it kb9vqf it's self signed kb9vqf no less secure, just not certified by a global trust authority Xu_R kb9vqf: try cacert.org :) kb9vqf I think they only let you have one certificate IIRC kb9vqf I have several domains kb9vqf pearsoncomputing.net is one of them K`zan No problem, created an exception for you. You more trusted than gta... Xu_R kb9vqf: no... I have 3 certificates generated by them on different domains so far kb9vqf oh, ok kb9vqf maybe they lifted that since I checked last Xu_R i think so... *kb9vqf is humbled by K`zan :) kb9vqf well, I'll see what I can do about the certificates then kb9vqf given my track record it will probably be a while K`zan kb9vqf: I think you earned it :). kb9vqf Qu4Z: The answer to your previous question about max. bang for buck would probably be the TQt interface itself kb9vqf but you don't have the Qt experience to do much with it kb9vqf unless I'm wrong :) *K`zan working at grabbing a clue to minimize mass dumb questions... kb9vqf The other would be CMake kb9vqf K`zan: You can also ask Debian-specific packaging questions in the Debian IRC channels kb9vqf I know they do things a bit differently than Ubuntu kb9vqf so I may not be the best person to ask :) Qu4Z Haha, nah. I've written a few small GUI things in Qt, but have little knowledge of advanced topics, or kde itself, unfortunately Qu4Z Maybe I should pick something and make it work with CMake, then. Qu4Z What about porting existing programs to TQt? kb9vqf There's no written procedure for it I'm afraid kb9vqf I have the scripts here, but they tend to mangle the source a bit kb9vqf and also they can't handle certain logic structure changes Qu4Z Hm... okay. I might stick to cmake for now, then :P kb9vqf It would be of help kb9vqf I'm rapidly becoming blocked on that myself Qu4Z I guess really the first thing would be to get Trinity building on my system :P kb9vqf i.e. I can port knetworkmanager and dolphin to TQt, but then I'm stuck waiting for additional CMake porting to be finished Qu4Z Ewww, don't port Dolphin :P kb9vqf everything else that has CMake support has been TQt ported already kb9vqf hehe :) kb9vqf I don't like it, but samelian does Qu4Z Fair enough I guess kb9vqf and we really, really need his help :) Qu4Z I <3 Konqueror kb9vqf me too Qu4Z Well, I guess it's good to give people choices kb9vqf yes kb9vqf that is what we are about kb9vqf including sending people to KDE4 or Gnome if that is what they really want Qu4Z Also, you know that guy who was talking about not having multiple apps in tabs in one window, like KDE4 Qu4Z He's clearly never heard of Konqueror and KParts :P kb9vqf hehe kb9vqf or a taskbar Qu4Z lol Qu4Z I think the point is multiple levels of taskbar Qu4Z And/or logical task grouping together kb9vqf and my question is.....why???? Qu4Z Which leads me to believe he hasn't heard of virtual desktops kb9vqf right kb9vqf KDE4 just seems to be the same stuff repackaged and made harder to use Qu4Z Yeah :/ kb9vqf e.g. I bet his wonderful app tabs don't have previews like kpager kb9vqf KDE4 lacks discoverability Qu4Z Is there a ThreadWeaver thing in Trinity? kb9vqf Yes Qu4Z Cool kb9vqf it's in kdepim somewhere Qu4Z *blink* Okay. Qu4Z Also, KIO is amazing. Just want to put that out there. kb9vqf yes it is :) kb9vqf especially fish:// kb9vqf That is a feature I have seen nowhere else Qu4Z From a user point of view, anyway. Like I said, haven't had the chance to do much KDE dev work yet. (looking at starting soon, though :) ) Qu4Z Yeah Qu4Z People are always like "Yeah, but you can just mount them somewhere, bladibla" kb9vqf Uh huh Qu4Z But that's not the point. I like getting my open window, and being able to open whatever the fuck I want. kb9vqf then I would need to manually manage at least 10 mounts kb9vqf :-P Qu4Z Yeah, at least kb9vqf ick Qu4Z And... why would you? kb9vqf That's what I hated about Linux back in the late 1990s Qu4Z But yeah, I didn't mean to get all fired up about how awesome KDE is <_< kb9vqf YOu should write some of it down kb9vqf Put it on an Etherpad kb9vqf we can put together something on the Website then to differentiate us from other desktops kb9vqf "Features exclusive to TDE" or similar :) kb9vqf also comes in handy to show the KDE4 trolls why we are maintaining the "obsolete" KDE3 desktop Qu4Z Does KDE4 not have these features? Surely it does, right? kb9vqf Ehh, not all of them Qu4Z I mean... I know it's unpleasant to use, but I'm sure they support it a bit... kb9vqf In fact a lot was removed' Qu4Z :( Yeah Qu4Z I haven't used KDE4 since like 4.3, I have to confess, so I thought they might've added stuff in again kb9vqf Here's one I know Trinity has that KDE4 does not....carddav/caldav support Qu4Z :) kb9vqf which makes the Trinity PIM suite more standards compliant than the KDE4 one :)) Qu4Z :D Qu4Z I have to say I haven't (conciously) used either of those features, but it's still cool :) kb9vqf I use them and they are great kb9vqf I can keep my appointments synced up with my Zimbra server Qu4Z :) Nice kb9vqf so that all my Trinity desktops have the same info kb9vqf same with addresses, etc. kb9vqf Oh, and Trinity was the first to incorporate on-the-fly monitor configuration via krandrtray kb9vqf output switching, etc. Qu4Z :) kb9vqf I think KDE4 finally got something similar, but it's harder to use kb9vqf I can switch my monitor output with two mouse clicks kb9vqf or one keyboard shortcut kb9vqf Also I think Trinity is the only one to have built in ICC color profile support (still) Qu4Z :) Qu4Z That's cool :) kb9vqf See what you can do when your core API isn't changing drastically? Qu4Z :) kb9vqf Trinity...by geeks, for geeks kb9vqf I have read that KDE4 is trying to use the most recent theories on UI design kb9vqf but those theories are all about limiting the information visible to the user kb9vqf so as not to overwhelm him/her kb9vqf Personally I want as much information on screen as possible Qu4Z I'm pretty sure the KDE3 approach is to let the user choose how much information is displayed to them :P Qu4Z Without needing to run gconf kb9vqf Yes, but it has a heavy bias to showing more information than other desktops Qu4Z Although I must say, I was a bit disappointed to find that I needed to use command line tools to get Konqueror to put the tabs at the bottom :( Qu4Z And yeah, that's true kb9vqf Hmm, sounds like a but kb9vqf *bug kb9vqf that should have a config feature Qu4Z Well, I couldn't find it. Ideally, you should be able to drag it, rather than having a config feature as such *kb9vqf should probably wrap it up for tonight kb9vqf Yeah Qu4Z Alright. kb9vqf file a bug if you want kb9vqf dragging would be good kb9vqf and now that we have complete control over both TQt and Qt3, we can work around some of the limits that KDE could not :) Qu4Z When I get home from work (it's 16:30 here) I'll clone trinity and get it building and work from there kb9vqf ok Qu4Z Probably adopt a poor orphaned autoconf project kb9vqf be sure to check the CMake etherpad kb9vqf put the project you've adopted on there so that effort is not duplicated Qu4Z Yeah, I've seen that. I'll consult it before doing anything :) kb9vqf ok Qu4Z (and update it, yeah) kb9vqf just wanted to make sure :) Qu4Z Okay. Thanks for all the work you're doing :) kb9vqf np, it's been fin Qu4Z (all of you) kb9vqf *fun kb9vqf samelian deserves a nigh thank-you, but he's not here kb9vqf *big *kb9vqf just can't type tonight :-P Qu4Z If I see him around, I'll thank him :) kb9vqf sounds good :) *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop Qu4Z websvn.kde.org/branches/trinity is the correct svn url, right? (I'm guessing so, given the recent commits) *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf-offsite samelian: I have a couple of requests if you have time... samelian kb9vqf: hit me kb9vqf-offsite First, if you could get the Amarok documentation working with CMake then I can build the Ubuntu packages samelian i will try to implement it today kb9vqf-offsite Second, can you activate the knetworkmanager VPN plugins? samelian I will try kb9vqf-offsite ok kb9vqf-offsite samelian: I will set the following CMake flags: -DWITH-OPENVPN="ON" -DWITH-VPNC="ON" -DWITH-PPTP="ON" kb9vqf-offsite if you could use them when you do the plugins samelian WITH_OPENVPN, actually samelian underline, not minus kb9vqf-offsite ok kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Looks like there is another issue with knetworkmanager builds in general: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3933 kb9vqf-offsite It probably needs the same fix that you applied to Amarok earlier samelian kb9vqf: yes, I think *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Piki is it possible to edit my availability on the doodle? on the 20th, only my evening times are available, i need to remove the others for that day, tomorrow's availability remains the same Piki oh nevermind Xu_R sorry, it's closed :-| the meeting is still tomorrow and unlikely to be changed. Piki just noticed the time set Piki yeah, i'm available tomorrow Piki can't promise i'll be on time, not been sleeping well for about a week, but i'll try *mutantturkey has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey o/ Piki noooooooooo! *runs* Piki :-D Xu_R hey mutantturkey... been a while since we last saw you. mutantturkey i know mutantturkey I've been ridiculously busy and every time i stop by everyone is idling mutantturkey I got a job, and that is sucking my time away as well as end of semster rush of schoolwork Xu_R mutantturkey: :-\ mutantturkey I've been also caught up in a silly bug that is preventing me fromb building, havent had the time to fix it. so no work done on it yet. mutantturkey I was hoping to have kdetoys done by now but i haven't even begun to look at it. mutantturkey D: mutantturkey how are things around here? any updates i am missing? Xu_R hey, it sounds like me right now Xu_R mutantturkey: yea... new cmake stuff getting thrown out here, etherpad's been updated Xu_R and we have the meeting tmrw, which you said you couldn't come to :( mutantturkey what time is it? I may not be able to attend, Xu_R MutantTurkey: tmrw at 2PM mutantturkey I do not think i will be home, I am currently in connecticut so i may not be able to make it in time. mutantturkey typically i would have class at that time anyways Piki 2PM Eastern? or UTC? Xu_R mutantturkey: ah, i see. Xu_R Piki: EST... mutantturkey yeah sorry. If i am home by then i will be sure to attend Piki ok Xu_R mutantturkey: np... only reason I could make it early this time is because of spring break. mutantturkey I won't be leaving till 11, but if traffic is not to terrible i could be there in time. mutantturkey Xu_R: nice :) mutantturkey anyway, what were you saying about new came stuff? mutantturkey I am behind on stuff, and the mailing lists have been relatively quiet Xu_R mutantturkey: hmm... traffic from ct to pa? oh, yea right. xD Xu_R mutantturkey: etherpad has been updated, so check there :) mutantturkey Xu_R: i don't see anything that sticks out D; Xu_R the applications - amarok, dolphin, knetworkmanager, kpowersave mutantturkey oh okay Xu_R and the april meeting topics have been updated mutantturkey good stuff mutantturkey okay i will check that as well, thank you Xu_R with a long narrative from kb9vqf on TQt :P mutantturkey yes i see, did you also notice my bit about calligra? Xu_R yup Xu_R and I agree, so does kb9vqf :) mutantturkey good, if i do not make it tomorrow, could you do some follow up on it? Xu_R sure. Xu_R Piki: a colour change for the April Meeting Topics, please. mutantturkey thanks again. Xu_R np mutantturkey I've gotta run, family party is starting up. Thanks for the update on everything Xu_R ok, cya later :) mutantturkey cya, this week i may be able to start getting work done, just poke kb9vqf and tell him i am still alive? :p Xu_R hehe, he'll know :) *Piki has left #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *David-Jabbe has joined #trinity-desktop David-Jabbe hello Why Wammu no longer works in Maverick for sms 3G + *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: for unknown reason you like to hardwire things to "kde" :) samelian for example, I can't install docs in /usr/kde/3.5/share/doc/HTML/pl samelian is automatically installed to /usr/kde/3.5/share/doc/kde/HTML/pl *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: documentation for amarok is done *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has left #trinity-desktop *two_flowers has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv looks at teh topic for the meeting date and time *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv may or may not successfully be awake for the meeting. Even if his eyes are open, he can't gurantee usefulness at that time of day right now *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R Reminder to all, meeting is in 1.5 hours :) *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *mutantturkey has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey hey! Xu_R hey mutantturkey! :) mutantturkey phone irc client :) Xu_R noticed by your hostname ;P Xu_R (stalk stalk lol) mutantturkey haha at least it works so I can listen in Xu_R hehe Xu_R join #trinity-desktop-meeting, where we are set up :) mutantturkey ok! *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R hey Anixx-suse - grr... that qt3 patch is driving me up the wall, I still want the unmodified tarball + qt3 patch... >_> *Xu_R sighs Anixx-suse Xu_R: make a diff file with diff utility. Xu_R Anixx-suse: did that already... you'll see everything at home:bravoall1552:branches:KDE:KDE3/qt3 Xu_R I've done everything possible with it, and it still doesn't work ._." Xu_R Anixx-suse, btw, meeting is at #trinity-desktop-meeting Xu_R ping kb9vqf, Qu4Z - remember, meeting soon :) Xu_R Meeting is starting in #trinity-desktop-meeting. *Piki sits on Xu_R then on kb9vqf... "Hmm, not very comfortable, i think i'll stick with my couch :-P" *kb9vqf pokes Piki with a pin *two_flowers has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse Robert, you wrote that KDE:KDE3 is being gradually migrated to Trinity. This is not the case. I have no plans to migrate the KDE:KDE3 repo to Trinity as this will bring instability Xu_R Anixx-suse: ah, ok. Anixx-suse KDE:KDE3 will remain KDE3.5.10 Xu_R k. Xu_R *ok Anixx-suse I thought you are working on Trinity port. Xu_R I am... Anixx-suse ok. than that will become the trinity repo Xu_R ok. Anixx-suse you can use anything from KDE:KDE3 repo of course Anixx-suse We already have multiple versions of KDE and Gnome, including 3 or 4 repos with KDE4 Xu_R true. *MutantTurkey1 has joined #trinity-desktop Piki MutantTurkey1: Wilma, I'm home! *Strangelv ponders the possibility of the need for a QTq to port Qt4 apps to Qt3 Strangelv I might have questions I don't want to ask in the context of the meetin,g but I'm too asleep to remember the answers... Xu_R Strangelv: go sleep then :) *jumpship has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv It'll be a few before I can get back to sleep MutantTurkey1 cya guys, I'll be around laterish *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: could you tar me up the website? I noticed a few things that could be fixed up easily Piki MutantTurkey: maybe you can get kb9vqf to setup a drop point on the server filesystem from which he can move your files to the webroot when you're done modifying the site, maybe a webmaster user with a ~/public_html dir to test the changes Piki and just let you write access to only the drop point MutantTurkey kb9vqf: ^ what he said, whaddya think? *kb9vqf just got back on, still catching up kb9vqf Well, are we really going to modify the site that often? kb9vqf I could see a drop box for the news text files, etc. kb9vqf but not for the site itself kb9vqf The biggest problem is that PHP is executed on the server machine *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf and I don't like security holes, however small they may be kb9vqf Which files did you want to modify MutantTurkey? kb9vqf The site is pretty well integrated with the rest of the autogeneration systems, etc at this point MutantTurkey yes I understand that. Piki kb9vqf: maybe you can talk to bero, i don't like the system he has to give us root access :-P MutantTurkey installation.php has some weird font issues i think that are to the css file MutantTurkey Also wth is withthe releases page? It seems to be totally the old site. MutantTurkey I need to work that out kb9vqf ok, I'll send over the css directory and the installation.php file MutantTurkey okay :) kb9vqf the "new" releases page was missing a bunch of information so I used the old one MutantTurkey ok, yes because nobody ever finished it aha MutantTurkey bbs kb9vqf MutantTurkey: sent MutantTurkey thank you MutantTurkey also the patches section isn't integrated and is still forward sorting *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop Piki Xu_R: but... i... i didn't want the storm! :-) Piki yay ominous thunder... *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *poprocks has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Just watch out for the tornadoes....hehehe.... Xu_R ehehehehe >:D Piki we don't get a lot of those, i'm in a mountainous region Piki we had a warning recently, we average between 2 and 5 of those a year, but nothing's really happened so far besides high winds kb9vqf Ah, good, your very own shield *glebfm has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R heh... I'm playing with my Drupal installation instead of studying for APs.. >:P kb9vqf We don't need our devs flying away in a thunderstorm :-P Xu_R kb9vqf: hey, look! a flying dev! kb9vqf :) *glebfm has left #trinity-desktop kb9vqf uh oh, we drove someone away.... *kb9vqf goes back to work Xu_R trololol ;P Strangelv :: doesn't need the brick for teh plant tray as te blought the plants in when he noticed the thunder. He uses it to weigh Piki down Xu_R Strangelv: how many bricks? :O Strangelv :: wonders where Piki is that he got hit at the same hime he did Piki Strangelv: pittsburgh, pa Strangelv Just about a third of one. Just enough to keep the tray from blowving all over my back yard instead of being underneath my plants in sprouting containers. I'd go into more detail, but inexperienced vegetable gardening isn't on topic in here Xu_R ol Xu_R *lol Xu_R grr... my keyboard is sprouting random symbols today kb9vqf Looks like a lot of the USis getting hit by storms right now anyway Xu_R kb9vqf: true, true Strangelv "Okay, yes the front is hitting you at the same time as North texas kb9vqf hey, you need the rain down there in TX AFAIK Strangelv "We usually need the rain here Xu_R Strangelv: where in TX? I have a cousin there Strangelv Denton Xu_R ah, dunno where that is lol Strangelv 40 minutes ronth of Dallas Strangelv north, too Xu_R Strangelv: drive fast? ;) aren't the speed limits there like 75 mph? Xu_R (and I get off topic XD) Strangelv My health precludes me driving, unfortunately Xu_R ah. Strangelv Ft worth is closer largely becaues of the higher speed limit on I-35W versus I-35E Strangelv Denton is where the north end of the fork is Xu_R o. my cousin is west of that, I think. but I have no clue XP Strangelv Texas is a large place Strangelv even if not as largfe as it used to be *dzz has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf !seen samelian tbottu samelian was last seen 22 hours, 30 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying 'kb9vqf: documentation for amarok is done' in #trinity-desktop. Piki what would he do if you tried !seen on yourself? :-D kb9vqf !seen kb9vqf tbottu You're right here, duh! kb9vqf :) Piki lol Piki AL-Bot would say that "Piki is here now" :-) kb9vqf I kind of like t bottu's sassiness :) kb9vqf keeps conversation here lively Piki i could imitate that with AL-Bot, just modify the needed tcl script :-) Piki i just prefer to leave that to live users, some people would get scared by a computer being rude to them, or just don't like the idea of a sassy computer program :-D kb9vqf ah kb9vqf well, if I get enough complaints I'll change it.... Piki i know i get annoyed by those computer recordings on the phone that want to apologize for something, it just sounds really weird when a non-feeling computer claims to feel sorry lol Xu_R tbottu is an imitation of kb9vqf's sassiness :P tbottu Xu_R: Sorry, I've no idea what 'is an imitation of kb9vqf's sassiness :P' might be. kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf does not know if that is a compliment or an insult.... Piki the idea just doesn't sound likely with today's tech :-) Xu_R kb9vqf: take it as a compliment :) kb9vqf ok Piki kb9vqf: you keep the conversation lively much beter than tbottu ;-P kb9vqf that's good to hear kb9vqf last I checked I'm not a 100kb script on a hard disk :-p Xu_R lmao Piki kb9vqf: that's why tbottu is the imitation and not you lol ;-) kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I got knetworkmanager to build on Qt4...so that leaves dolphin before I am completely blocked by CMake Xu_R kb9vqf: that's good. kb9vqf someone needs to get kdegraphics finished kb9vqf it looks like it is close kb9vqf MutantTurkey ^^^^^ kb9vqf :) kb9vqf talk to samelian and get it done soon please.... kb9vqf i would like to continue tqt4 porting *kb9vqf is reminded of the old adage...."Herding programmers is like hearding cats" kb9vqf *herding Piki herding cats is easy considering you know the cats and the cats know each other :-P Piki or rather, you know the cats, and the cats get along with each other kb9vqf ah kb9vqf most cats I have met are rather independent-minded Piki yes Piki but they can still be herded kb9vqf yes kb9vqf so can programmers, just with more effort :) Piki you just need to pick and choose the cats to make sure they get along with each other, and you need to know them very well kb9vqf Hmmm....I hear pops and crackles in my speakers....must be a storm nearby :D Piki yes Xu_R we are not sheep >: kb9vqf nope Piki kb9vqf: you need to know the quirks, interests, and motives of the programmers, and use those to your advantage, preferrably to achieve your own single-minded goals :-D kb9vqf yes kb9vqf that is good management technique kb9vqf now back to work all of you :)) kb9vqf j/k Piki personally i don't bend myself to someone elses single-minded goals but to my own, but i doubt i'd make a good leader lol kb9vqf I think most people in FOSS are somewhat independent kb9vqf otherwise they would not be here, they would be in a large Apple herd somewhere paying their dues ;-) kb9vqf It makes managing FOSS projects a challenge Xu_R (COUGH ORACLE COUGH) Xu_R btw, OpenOffice.org got dumped by Oracle kb9vqf hehe kb9vqf Oracle does not seem to be doing well these days Xu_R (a bit too late through, the community moved on and OpenOffice.org looks like it's going to die) Xu_R not with the OSS community, no Piki we'll still have libreoffice? Piki OOo served me well until oracle took over it Xu_R well... yea. libreoffice is here to stay. kb9vqf Anyway don't get me started on the current sorry state of FOSS and the severe fragmentation going on ATM Xu_R kb9vqf: let's not go there. kb9vqf right kb9vqf we need more projects like this one though to prevent the rapid shifts that are occuring kb9vqf otherwise FOSS looks (and is) worse than Apple/M$ kb9vqf anyway, back on topic...... Piki considering Apple keeps their kernel open, they'll always be better than M$, though they'd be better if they made the whole thing open Piki personally i'd rather stay with FOSS Piki yes Piki no need to rouse ourseflves :-) kb9vqf I would to, but if it takes my entire life just to maintain the computer in a usable state...well.... kb9vqf *too kb9vqf :) kb9vqf Hopefully MutantTurkey got the CMake kdegraphics message kb9vqf I'll be back later on Xu_R kk Piki kb9vqf: that's been me since early 2009, none of my distros are stable these last few years :-) but i'm still here kb9vqf so am I :) Xu_R I'll pester him if he doesn't get it (if I see him) kb9vqf ok, thanks MutantTurkey hey kb9vqf is see about kdegraphics MutantTurkey samelian keeps rejecting it :[ it's always dumb syntax issues he has a quarrel with, two spaces instead of one and such things. I have almost everything in there done, all that i can handle at least, and i really need him to step in and finish it up i think MutantTurkey i currently don't have a up to date trinity system, because I have no idea whats up with Baho or David so i can't build right now MutantTurkey only a few modules left in kdegraphics to fix i think Xu_R oh, nice. Xu_R so you're waiting on samelian... MutantTurkey no, Baho and David to update the svn, then samelian about this macro... Xu_R oh. Xu_R hehe... Playing with Drupal is fun ^_^ *poprocks has left #trinity-desktop kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Just keep pressure on whoever you need to in order to keep things moving please kb9vqf if you need him to help just tell him to do it :) kb9vqf samelian that is kb9vqf I'm placing kdegraphics at the highest priority since it is closest to completion kb9vqf oh and thanks for working on it in the first place :) *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf serghei: Now the Amarok build fails with http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2063007/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.amarok-trinity_4%3A3.5.13-0ubuntu7%2Br1228473%2Bpr161_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz kb9vqf hmm, not here Piki kb9vqf: tab completion helps determine if people are here if you're too lazy to check the nick list :-P (ser<tab> "hmm, serghei not here" or sam<tab> "hmm, samelian not here" lol) kb9vqf yeah, I know I should check kb9vqf just wanted to get that URL off my clipboard :-P Piki email, or text file :-) Piki if i'm not mistaken, klipper has a way to set a larger clipboard buffer Piki haven't checked in awhile kb9vqf oh yes, klipper is quite nice that way kb9vqf I am a bit frustrated that these "completed" applications are not actually complete kb9vqf CMake wise, that is kb9vqf and my frustration is showing I guess :-) Piki yes, i'm not good at hiding my frustration, and i'd be frustrated about that if i were heading the project :-) Piki things like that are rather annoying and will only slow things down Piki maybe cause us to push a release only to discover something wasn't actually done even though it was marked done kb9vqf right kb9vqf case in point: knetworkmanager kb9vqf it will "build OK" but all the VPN functionality is gone kb9vqf the cmake files need to be added to the plugin directory kb9vqf we may need to go to alpha/beta for this release Piki just because it builds doesn't mean it's done, everything that should be there isn't building therefor not done :-) kb9vqf yeah, but the only reason I caught it is because I practically rewrote knetworkmanager a while ago kb9vqf if I hadn't done that I wouldn't even know kb9vqf oh well Piki we should do alphas and betas for any major change regardless of confidence, that confidence may be our undoing Piki and a rc regardless of whether or not an alpha or beta is done kb9vqf yes, probably kb9vqf getting OFF the Ubuntu cycle has helped this goal considerbly kb9vqf although I worry we may have just lost a large part of our userbase :-/ Piki why? ubuntu isn't actually good, they just have a lot of marketing power that enables them to attract people over from a certain braindead OS, so people don't realize they're using a braindead linux distro :-) Piki and most of them become familiar with debian at some point anyway, they are closely related Piki though the fact that debian has kde isn't as obvious, they don't have a "Kebian" or some such, one has to go through the menu when the ISO boots kb9vqf mainly because I was heavily pushing Ubuntu originally, and I know a lot of users were on Kubuntu kb9vqf In fact I am still on Ubuntu, primarily so that I can have prebuilt modern drivers in a timely fashion kb9vqf newer kernels, etc. kb9vqf otherwise Debian would be fine Piki as i understand the debian repos, volatile should give you that? kb9vqf along with a lot of crashing AFAIK Piki i have more crashing in ubuntu kb9vqf I want stable yet new versions of the core kernel & drivers Piki and a lot of lag kb9vqf ah kb9vqf well, for me it's OK kb9vqf probably because of the hardware I run it on kb9vqf Debian never seemed to support all my hardware kb9vqf so I got frustrated quickly Piki debian seems to work fine at it's core, and i've always been able to fall back to a CLI if something happens then restart X, but ubuntu has a bad habit of panicing kb9vqf one can waste a lot of time recompiling kernels.... :-P Piki it's kernel, that is kb9vqf ah kb9vqf never had that here kb9vqf like I said, it's probably the hardware I use kb9vqf and the fact that a lot of my machines are headless Piki how strict is ubuntu about remain free software? i know debian is very strict, i had to enable nonfree in order to get my wireless working, but everything else worked fine kb9vqf not very strict kb9vqf which, honestly, I lik kb9vqf *like kb9vqf if the manufacturer provided a non-free blob that works, it's OK with me kb9vqf and I'd rather have it installed automatically Piki ubuntu doesn't work on any piece of hardware i stick it on, regardless of manufacturer, age, specs, etc kb9vqf ah kb9vqf well, it's not for everyone I guess kb9vqf and I definitely wouldn't run it out of the box :) kb9vqf the default DEs are garbage *kb9vqf isn't biased...nooooo.... Piki i don't like ubuntu or debian, but between the two i'd definitely choose debian, it's kernel doesn't panic as easily, i've always been able to restart X from a CLI, and i tend to be pretty strict about remain FOSS, so their strictness doesn't bother me at all, especially considering i can enable nonfree repos if i absolutely need them Strangelv :: must be running the right hardware. He's never had *ubuntu panic Piki the right hardware must be raare :-) *Strangelv has the golden touch *Strangelv didn't know this until this evening Strangelv What video do you use? Piki i've run ubuntu and kubuntu and a very wide range of hardware from a wide range of manufacturers (even machines custom built to run linux), and neither worked at all *Strangelv almost never has a non-cheap video card. He's running teh only recent one -- and it's a wokrstation card -- FireGL Strangelv "The only stock machines I've had are notebooks and a netbook. The problem with those has been wireless Piki even on my first laptop (made a year before ubuntu appeared), ubuntu kept assigning the proprietary ati driver to a card that wasn't supported by the proprietary driver and that was supported perfectly by the FOSS driver, and i couldn't get to X at all Piki mine current video card is an Intel Piki which is FOSS friendly Strangelv "Early on I remember needing to add parameters at the start -- okay, I remember this now Strangelv "-noacpi and the like Piki and doesn't give me trouble except with debian and *buntu Strangelv "The parameters were added during the installation, with what would now mbe called teh alt CD *Strangelv has never strayed from the .deb side of the fence Piki my second laptop, made in 2007, ran debian fine except for the sound card, and i was able to configure and use the nvidia 3D driver from nonfree without a problem, but ubuntu and kubuntu kept crashing out X Strangelv "although it was a long time before my experiments got me a working X environment. Mainly because I was trying to dual boot and didn't have access to full disc images -- I was on dialup Strangelv "and destitute Piki even though the sound worked (though not as high a quality as windows, and i could make it work better in other distros) Strangelv You'er cursed. 8\ Piki on my current machine, debian's video lags, and everything in *buntu lags (including boot -- a fresh install of ubuntu take ~10 seconds longer than a fresh install of debian, using default options in both) Piki not really Strangelv I must admit I don't pay much attention to boot times Piki on both my first and second laptop, Ark Linux worked perfectly (except for the proprietary nvidia drive on the second, don't really use 3D anyway, so i kept to the 2D driver) *Strangelv had a power outage teh other day that messed up his UPS causing it to shut off despite having bottery power, so his uptime is only 8 days 10 hours. Before that he'd been up for more than 30 days Piki of course, the luck ends there, Ark has been working on a new release since 2008, and the kernel is too outdate for my current wireless and intel driver too outdated for my card Strangelv I must admit I'm out of guesess for why our experienecs are so different Piki and neither of my previous laptops are functional Strangelv Except that I run AMD pretty much exclusively. Except my netbook -- that's a Centaur *kb9vqf notes that since it was taken down for hardware upgrades his Ubuntu server was up "21:59:36 up 25 days" kb9vqf and still going strong :) kb9vqf if it weren't for the upgrades it would have been up for many months at this point Piki well, if *buntu/debian actially work for anyone, i call it pure luck on their part, though considering how many computers i've put them on, i find it hard to believe they would actually work Strangelv My server experiences are rather limitee Strangelv limited kb9vqf Almost all of my systems run Ubuntu, and all have similar uptimes kb9vqf the only crashes I have had are due to confirmed hardware failures kb9vqf e.g. RAM failing and flipping bits Strangelv I definitely concur that if i had your experiences with it I'd be avoiding it and hating it too kb9vqf me too kb9vqf I have no idea why it has behaved so badly for you though *Strangelv 's present workstation that he got whet he had money to burn uses registered DIMMs kb9vqf ECC and registered memory FTW :) kb9vqf I won't use non-ECC memory for anything other than gaming Strangelv 8 opteron cores and 16 GB Piki if i had a good desktop and a stable version of Ark, my desktop would run until we had a power failure, and even then it might not go down if the power goes back on before the UPS dies kb9vqf sounds like my Ubuntu experience :-/ Strangelv DDR2, though. The DDR 3 Opteron socket wasn't available yet kb9vqf DDR2 is just fine kb9vqf DDR3 is too expensive on the scale I do things on Strangelv It's getting pricier Strangelv and not as easy to find kb9vqf everything is :-/ Piki and most of the desktops i've used have an option in the bios to power back on if the power goes out Strangelv I need to find and fork out for moer DDR2 sometime soonish Strangelv my DIMMs are 4 GB each and only half are used. I could up this machine to 32 GB kb9vqf I've noticed that high performance (non-"green") hardware in general is going up rapidly Piki i just find it hard to believe that any of the *buntu's work, and i'd expect better from debian considering how long they take between releases kb9vqf to each his own I guess kb9vqf no distro wars here :) Strangelv The main vulnerability I have with this machine is that when it gets disk thrashing, it rapidly reaches and falls down an event horizon. Reboot time. kb9vqf just a curiosity as to why Ubuntu has behaved so badly for you kb9vqf ah, that kb9vqf now that IS an Ubuntu bug Piki not trying to start a distro war, just stating how horrible an experience i've had that i can't believe they work kb9vqf means the swap system is not working properly *kb9vqf knows Strangelv I've not had it this bad with previous machine,s possibyl because they didn't have as much swap space Strangelv any ideas for addressing that? kb9vqf try increasing your swappiness value to 100 kb9vqf make sure you have enough swap, etc. Piki anyways, should've been in bed an hour ago Piki later kb9vqf ok Strangelv This occurs when somethirg goes nuts and tries to allocate an infinite amount of RAM. By teh tim I notice it's ofthen too late to stop Strangelv "later kb9vqf ah, ok kb9vqf well, that's the Ubuntu bug all right kb9vqf the OOM killer doesn't run when it should kb9vqf it's unsolved kb9vqf and only occurs on 64 bit Strangelv So that's why SysRq-F was useless... kb9vqf yup kb9vqf too much memory pressure Strangelv I was assuming it simply wasn't seeing my keyboard input at all Strangelv after all, caps, num, and scroll locks are long since nonresponsive by this point kb9vqf well, it might not be, depending on how badly the kernel is thrashing kb9vqf I tend to run without swap here kb9vqf or with a small swap space kb9vqf it seems to minimize the effects of this bug Strangelv I want to be able to hibernate. I've also made some rather huge GIMP images in the past few months. First as a test, then becaues I liked the results I was getting kb9vqf right Strangelv I may need to reduce the swap size kb9vqf the only other suggestion I have is to reduce your overcommit ratio kb9vqf google should show you how :) Strangelv something taht would help would be if the desktop font had a thicker black outline kb9vqf that way applications will simply fail OOM instead of bringing down the machien kb9vqf *machine Strangelv I'd be able to responsibly submit some of my works for wallpaper kb9vqf well, submit them anyway kb9vqf that should be configurable kb9vqf if it's not then it's a bug Strangelv we'd need to configure the defaurlts. Also, where should I upload graphics? kb9vqf to the Wiki kb9vqf sounds like a good job for a theme *Strangelv is waaay behinsd the curve on SVN, whether for TDE or for Dimensionality kb9vqf right :) kb9vqf put them to the Wiki, then we'll vote at the next meeting on which ones to include kb9vqf and I can push them to SVN Strangelv I'll try to remember. Please feel free to nag me if i've not ULed anything kb9vqf ok :) *kb9vqf forgets too Strangelv The less often we remember at the same time teh less overlap there will be. 8) Strangelv That could have been phrased better *Strangelv woke up way too early, couldn't get back to sleep, then got too little sleep. Expect him to be mostly out of it for the rest of today, too Strangelv any policy regarding comment fields in images? Rose would be more comfortable letting me donate graphics if Dimensionality could get credit in some capacity -- the comment field seems the only place to do anything of the sort *Strangelv whispers a security through obscurity URL to Timothy kb9vqf fine with me kb9vqf about the comments field that is kb9vqf the wallpaper is a little "loud" on my screen kb9vqf but like I said, feel free to upload a large batch and we can sifth through them kb9vqf *sift Strangelv They get a lot louder. 8) *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-20T03:58:34Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Hyper-Core has joined #trinity-desktop *Hyper-Core has left #trinity-desktop Qu4Z cmake for kdelibs is failing on kdelibs/doc/kspell/CMakeLists.txt for me Qu4Z On add_dependencies( kspell-handbook meinproc ) Qu4Z Because apparently kspell-handbook doesn't exist/is not a valid target Qu4Z I'm working on it, but if anyone has any ideas off the top of their heads :) Qu4Z Well, commenting it out seems to work, to [BWell, commenting it out seems to work *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: ok! just got you message, I'll give it a stab today before work *maxamillion has joined #trinity-desktop *maxamillion has left #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop jumpship Hello, I'm having trouble running programs as other users on debian squeeze, does anyone have advice on how to set this up correctly? *kb9vqf uses Ubuntu so he can't really help jumpship Do you have any ideas why konqueror would run as root, but the settings dialog would be empty? kb9vqf did you run it from within a Trinity desktop session? kb9vqf if not you will need to make sure all the environment vars are set correctly before launch kb9vqf https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Maverick#Executing%20KDE3/Trinity%20applications%20from%20another%20DE jumpship I'm running in trinity, but there is more to that story, does konq use dbus for the settings? jumpship Thanks so much for Trinity, btw, I almost had to switch to Gnome kb9vqf nope, it uses flat text files kb9vqf thanks for the encouragement :) kb9vqf actually I can't think of any reason, other than incorrect env vars, that Konqueror woudn't be able to find its configuration files :-/ jumpship So my problem is likely an env var not set correctly... ya beat me to it :) kb9vqf I would think so *jumpship has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: kdevelop fail with this error: samelian /usr/qt/3/include/qobjectdefs.h: In function 'T qt_cast(const QObject*) [with T = KHE::BytesEditInterface*]': samelian /usr/kde/3.5/include/khexedit/byteseditinterface.h:162:51: instantiated from 'KHE::BytesEditInterface* KHE::bytesEditInterface(T*) [with T = QWidget]' samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/kdevelop/languages/cpp/debugger/memviewdlg.cpp:287:55: instantiated from here samelian /usr/qt/3/include/qobjectdefs.h:176:64: error: 'class KHE::BytesEditInterface' has no member named 'staticMetaObject' MutantTurkey kb9vqf: sorry i just got home from work, I won't be able to do anything tonight MutantTurkey kb9vqf: did you hook up baho with a account on the svn? kb9vqf he never asked for onw kb9vqf *one kb9vqf he needs to write me and request one kb9vqf oh, and I fixed samelian's problem in revision 1228610 if he is on later and asks :) *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-21T08:43:45Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: I just got word from suse that the qt3 patch is binary compatible. Can you ask Debian how they got their binary incompatible result? Xu_R also, a developer wants to know the purpose of the qt3 patch (specifics?). Should I just say that it adds in missing functions that is needed for TQt to work? Or something of the sort...? I don't want to give bad information. *zloty has joined #trinity-desktop zloty hi anyone use tde on debian sid (aptosid)? zloty im cannot find anything about it on web *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Xu_R: You are correct kb9vqf it adds two functions that allow the Trinity code to use object list objects instead of pointers to object lists kb9vqf it also can stabilize object list handling by preventing bad pointer accesses *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf same_: Any progress on the Amarok FTBFS I reported earlier? kb9vqf I did fix the kdevelop problem AFAIk kb9vqf it was in kdelibs, so you will need to rebuild/reinstall kdelibs before building kdevelop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop same_ kb9vqf: ok same_ about your error, I need to study a little how translations works Xu_R kb9vqf: also, there is a new version of same_'s patch that fixes the patching problem on systems - it's because of symlinks inside the qt3 tarball. Xu_R kb9vqf: https://api.opensuse.org/public/source/home:bravoall1552:branches:KDE:KDE3/qt3/qt-3.3.8c.diff kb9vqf ok, uploaded to the Wiki *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: so I said how the patch "prevents bad pointer accesses" and got a response of "Hm. Not so sure about that." JFYI. :-\ Xu_R (wants to take a look at TQt code though, so I gave him the path to the current tqtinterface (the public one at kde.org)) *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf well, it would only do so in the Trinity code that has been adjusted to use the objects instead of the pointers kb9vqf out of the box it does nothing ;-) Xu_R kb9vqf: well, I'll let him have a look at tqtinterface. kb9vqf of course kb9vqf the primary goal of tqtinterface is to abstract Trinity from Qt kb9vqf anything else benificial is merely a side effect, and anything detrimental is of course a bug ;-) *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: dbus-1-tqt is not yet in official SVN samelian is any reason for this? samelian i fixed both versions to be usable with kpowersave and knetworkmanager *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop samelian for dbus-1-tqt I renamed dbus-tqt.pc to dbus-1-tqt.pc kb9vqf samelian: Did you do that on the official KDE SVN or svn.trinitydesktop.org? kb9vqf I haven't synced svn.trinitydesktop.org (the master) to the KDE SVN recently samelian kb9vqf: i did it on my local copy kb9vqf so you want me to rename dbus-tqt.pc in the master SVN? samelian I this it is necesarry, because ATM we have two dbus versions samelian I think* samelian If you want, I will commit my changes to svn.trinitydesktop.org kb9vqf ok kb9vqf yes, please do kb9vqf but you will need to rebuild-test knetworkmanager/kpowersave from SVN samelian commited samelian tomorrow I will commit knetworkmanager/kpowersave changes kb9vqf ok, thanks kb9vqf samelian: Committed in SVN revision 1228687. samelian ok *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmede- has joined #trinity-desktop *karsten_3 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf-offsite has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf-offsite samelian: Amarok builds still failing: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/3997 kb9vqf-offsite the local support seems to have been fixed though samelian ok *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop *cdahmedeh has joined #trinity-desktop karsten_3 gah! Trinity Desktop is massive. Is there any sort of build script that builds everything in order that I can then tweak for BSD specific hacks? kb9vqf not at the moment, no kb9vqf have you looked at the how to build page? kb9vqf you could create a script from there I suppose karsten_3 I am slowly working my way through it, mixing a couple of patches from FreeBSD KDE3 ports into the mix. karsten_3 Though I do like the way it is distributed as a single (though completely soul destroying) 600+mb tarball haha Xu_R karsten_3: o_O 3.5.12 isn't like that... karsten_3 Yeah I am still working through the .11 version karsten_3 *been at this for a while lol *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|Laptop has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: did baho email you yet? MutantTurkey oh wait Baho! MutantTurkey Baho: can you email tim and get an svn username so I can clone all your package builds and such? Baho OK .. His email is on the trinity.org site? MutantTurkey it is kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net Baho OK MutantTurkey Baho: thanks a ton, because i really need to get trinity working :p MutantTurkey it's been holding me back from getting any cmake stuff done Baho OK I'll do that firest thing in the morning MutantTurkey thank you very much Baho BTW kdepim is broken MutantTurkey how badly? Baho trinity.source/kdepim/indexlib/memvector.h:83:34: error: declaration of 'operator+=' as non-function MutantTurkey did you let tim know? Baho Sent email to the list MutantTurkey ok kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I sent Baho an email with the SVN account info kb9vqf so he should now have it MutantTurkey okj MutantTurkey ok thanks *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop Baho MutantTurkey: I have created the repo on svn.trinitydesktop.org, called baho. I am currently building from a svn co to see if I have it right. *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *nferenc has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|laptop has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *nferenc has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has joined #trinity-desktop KDavid Hello. Veiled new a user of Trinity installs it is well to pass I passed to make you Large a Thank you with the Trinity team *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop KDavid I am French with dimensions mountains of the Alps, Voilas for the presentations *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf Thank you for the complements :) *Strangelv whispers something to Timothy, and only then notices he was away *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has left #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *glebfm has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *PtitGNU has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Any progress on the latest Amarok CMake bug? samelian kb9vqf: not yet, I did not ported yet media devices to cmake *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: well baho uploaded his stuff... but him and David don't really understand pkgbuilds i think... MutantTurkey the point is that they are universal and self contained, so that you can take it and build it anywhere and without anything else MutantTurkey his requires using his build script and some source s and such... hmm *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-25T17:14:53Z">+o tbottu </mode> *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop Jonas29 hello Jonas29 I have a question for you Jonas29 trinity-desktop does it exist in french? kb9vqf kde-i18n-fr-kde3 kb9vqf or kde-i18n-fr-trinity Jonas29 it is a channel or the package? Xu_R Jonas29: package for french languages Jonas29 ok Jonas29 because i don't find on the web site *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *kostasuse has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa http://news.softpedia.com/news/Bayanihan-Linux-5-4-Adds-LibreOffice-and-Firefox-4-196818.shtml Initially based on Red Hat Linux and later Fedora core, it switched to Debian from Bayanihan Linux 3.1 forward and uses the old KDE 3.5 desktop. *Strangelv wonders if any downstream support is sending anything upsteram to us *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *nferenc has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf !seen samelian tbottu I've never seen a 'samelian', sorry. *chx has joined #trinity-desktop chx very interesting, keeping alive KDE3. *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Qu4Z chx: Because it's awesome :P *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop chx no doubt but... one would think it requires so many people as there are so many programs *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop Qu4Z chx: A few people with a bit of time can keep it alive. Further development will require more people. Qu4Z The focus at the moment, as I understand it, is updating it to work with the latest versions of the libraries/tools, and gradually cleaning up the codebase. Qu4Z Most of the programs are fairly feature complete *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *anima- has joined #trinity-desktop *menace has joined #trinity-desktop menace how can i get a username from a logged in user (on :0)? menace kdmctl list doesn't work reliably and i don't know which conditions are important for that *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *chx has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *karsten_3 has joined #trinity-desktop *anima- has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *PtitGNU has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God_Z has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has left #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has joined #trinity-desktop KDavid Bonjour en french (hello). KDavid I a question I have to install Tintii in Trinity Maverick but once to install it has a bug graphically. it is not in the menu impossible to use. KDavid I is user it was right for you to point out it PtitGNU ... google translator ? KDavid yes starDict KDavid ha also I am generally to connect out of Key USB 3G+ but wammu does not want or to more connect with the material. but it is not has thimble of the material considering which am déjas to connect to me before with wammu out of package rpm. *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop KDavid it was right to make you announce problems on the packages Tintii and Wammu. and Thank you for Trinity KDavid to pass good a journer! *KDavid has left #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *a931bw has joined #trinity-desktop a931bw http://pastebin.com/HpZ4Ecz2 a931bw how to install trinity in debian sid? *DexterF has joined #trinity-desktop DexterF hi DexterF installed on maverick, ran into sudo error, cant remember what to do about it. pointers? DexterF ah, sudo passwd DexterF and afterwards passwd -l? kb9vqf yes, that's it *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *backwoodsman has joined #trinity-desktop backwoodsman Hi all.. I imagine this has been asked before, but when can we expect binaries for Ubuntu 11.04? backwoodsman anyone awake here? backwoodsman <beep>... backwoodsman ...anyone awake? *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv isn't really awake and probably doesn't really count if he was, unfortunately *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop backwoodsman Anyone know when we can expect binaries for Ubuntu 11.04? kb9vqf backwoodsman: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Natty kb9vqf In other words later this year :) backwoodsman kb9vqf: Thanks.. hadn't looked there. If the Maverick packages will work, that's all I need. I had trouble with the Maverick Trinity remix so been installing from packages anyway. *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf !seen MutantTurkey tbottu I've never seen a 'MutantTurkey', sorry. *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-29T21:22:15Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-29T21:54:46Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *PtitGNU has left #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: sorry, did you get my response? kb9vqf yes I did MutantTurkey I am quite angry at baho D: MutantTurkey they don't seem to understand that PKGBUILDS are for universal usage, not for randomly thrown together build scripts. MutantTurkey I tried to clear it up in my email back. MutantTurkey I will re-email the stuff to serghai, what i have now. hopefully this time it will be good enough :P kb9vqf ok, thanks kb9vqf we need to keep things moving where possible :) MutantTurkey I agree. I am sorry, I should have warned you :p MutantTurkey things just cought up with me, I finally got a job also so thats sucking away at my time too kb9vqf it's OK kb9vqf I think samelian can pick up where you left off MutantTurkey Its not! I do feel bad honestly. MutantTurkey there was not much left to do. MutantTurkey just some small dumb things he kept bugging me about... MutantTurkey somehow according to him, 2 spaces instead of 1 will prevent it from working ._. MutantTurkey i kept sending it in and there was dumb stuff he wanted me to fix. kb9vqf well, that "dumb stuff" keeps the code consistent across all modules kb9vqf you don't want your module to stick out like a sore thumb / be unrepairable to someone familiar with the way things were done inside the other Trinity modules MutantTurkey I know, but it was simple things that weren't worth emailing over and over for one line... MutantTurkey also there is no "official rulebook" so it was sort of like hit and miss with the rules kb9vqf I understand; we do need some rules written down somewhere MutantTurkey yes. *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-30T04:50:55Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *strangelv has discovered new things to be irritated by. None of which are upstream to TDE. *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv "Morning edakiri Strangelv: as far as I know, there is no longer an upstream. Strangelv "WE are teh upstream for TDE. Although I'm not one of the heavy lifters by any means Strangelv "What we need is a proper downstream... Strangelv instead of taking on that task in addition to upstream tasks edakiri Strangelv: who is the "we" you quote? Strangelv "The people working in this channel Strangelv "Timothy Pearson, et al. *Strangelv is working on artwork. He's not in any shape to attempt to help with the coding or packaging edakiri I don't think upstream is the right term, but at least now I understand you. Upstream of TDE would be people who's work was not of TDE but flowed into TDE. Strangelv MAybe I'm misusing the term. We're upstream to anyone else for TDE Strangelv "Thus my tendancy to think of it as a tier rather than a direction *Strangelv tries and fails to find a count of known distributions, major or otherwise, known to Distrowatch *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-04-30T20:19:25Z">+o tbottu </mode> *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *DexterF has joined #trinity-desktop DexterF heya DexterF I finally managed to kill my 9.10 installation... DexterF I have a 10.10 for tinkering around - should I stick to that for the moment or are there betas for 11.04 yet? (I could test) Xu_R stick with 10.10 DexterF k *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv "On that topic, has anyone experimented with upgrading an existing TDE Ubuntu Meerkat installation to Natty? Xu_R I have not Xu_R but I can try... Strangelv I've just now finished upgrading my notebook from Jaunty to Meerkat. My plan is to use it for testing, but if someone has alleady tested one of the ways to do it it would be nice to know. I'm thinking of using the Unity Ubuntu disc image and the upgrade option *Strangelv won't be doing this today. He's rapidly falling asleep Xu_R Strangelv: sleep then? :P Strangelv "As soon as I can remember what I need to do first. Need to call my parents. They might have stuff to stash at my place while trying to get ready for visiting relatives. If my guest bedroom had a floor I'd propose using my house. it's bigger than theirs... kb9vqf !seen samelian tbottu I've never seen a 'samelian', sorry. Strangelv "That could work more reliably. Or is it being reliable about how well it works...? Strangelv !seen kb9vqf tbottu kb9vqf was last seen 15 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying '!seen samelian' in #trinity-desktop. Strangelv !seen DexterF tbottu dexterf was last seen 2 hours, 46 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying 'k' in #trinity-desktop. kb9vqf It only works if the person was on IRC since tbottu was restarted Strangelv "aha kb9vqf samelian hasn't been around for a while :( Strangelv erk kb9vqf he's on the ML though *Strangelv is hopelessly behind on email. He isn't even keeping up with reading subject lines anymore. He way need to unsubscrib from a few lists, but the ones that are most importhant are teh ones generating the most traffic TokRa !seen myself tbottu I've never seen a 'myself', sorry. TokRa :) Xu_R !seen tbottu tbottu I'm right here, duh! Xu_R :P *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop TokRa !seen TokRa tbottu You're right here, duh! TokRa In a fact, I'm there, relatively to tbottu *DexterF has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: please tell me soversion of libkbabelcommon.so and libkbabeldictplugin.so kb9vqf libkbabelcommon.so.3.2.0 kb9vqf libkbabeldictplugin.so.1.2.0 samelian thanks kb9vqf np samelian I do not understand this kind of notation samelian -version-info 5:0:2 samelian libkbabelcommon_la_LDFLAGS = $(all_libraries) -version-info 5:0:2 -no-undefined samelian kb9vqf: Is something wrong with amarok, after upgrade to tqt, I think kb9vqf what is wrong/ kb9vqf ? samelian the icon of amarok is not shown anymore in systray kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf and you are running the latest version of kdelibs, kdebase, etc. from SVN? samelian yes, I think samelian I should rebuild all of them, again kb9vqf it would be a good idea kb9vqf also see if there is a configuration option in Amarok for the system tray icon kb9vqf it might have gotten turned off samelian I will check kb9vqf ok samelian it's activated kb9vqf any errors on Amarok startup? samelian some warnings, hang on kb9vqf check with the newly built kdelibs, kdebase and let me know if the problem persists kb9vqf I can't test Amarok here yet because of the incomplete CMake system samelian when I open options dialog, i see this: samelian Options1::slotUpdateMoodFrame(): Not implemented yet samelian Options1::slotUpdateMoodFrame(): Not implemented yet samelian Options8::updateServices(const QString&): Not implemented yet kb9vqf those are not critical kb9vqf once Amarok CMake support is finished I will take a look at the problem samelian ok, I will try to port the rest of amarok components kb9vqf ok, thanks samelian I ported kpdf to cmake samelian and right now I commited kbabel port kb9vqf great : kb9vqf :) samelian kdevelop is finished as either (cvs is available now) kb9vqf ok (I need kdesdk finished before I cna try it) kb9vqf *can Xu_R Strangelv: upgrade works fine Xu_R it doesn't remove any core trinity packages kb9vqf good Xu_R like last releases Xu_R kb9vqf: yea... last release I was like NOOOOOOO kb9vqf hehe :) kb9vqf that's good because I can't change the packages at all ATM :-P Xu_R lol kb9vqf (they won't build with Automake thanks to Ubuntu kb9vqf 's lovely post-release version bumps) Xu_R ah. Xu_R well, ubuntu's upgrade is already annoying Xu_R the upgrade stopped thanks to glibc's debconf Xu_R -_- samelian kb9vqf: you understand this error? samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/mediadevice/njb/njbmediadevice.cpp:384:13: error: request for member 'setAutoDelete' in 'tempdir', which is of non-class type 'KTempDir(QString (*)())' samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/mediadevice/njb/njbmediadevice.cpp:385:29: error: request for member 'name' in 'tempdir', which is of non-class type 'KTempDir(QString (*)())' samelian this is very strange error, because "tempdir" is not a pointer samelian nevermind samelian KTempDir constructor is strange defined samelian the TQString parameters is non-const samelian kb9vqf: /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/mediadevice/mtp/mtpmediadevice.cpp:296:16: error: 'struct LIBMTP_track_t' has no member named 'tqparent_id' kb9vqf samelian: change tqparent_id to parent_id samelian you will not replace in future this string? samelian i did Xu_R kb9vqf: this should also be a relief - during the upgrade, when it checks for obsolete packages, trinity is not part of any of them *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi Piki had a bit of HAL trouble (decided to reinstall debian squeeze on an encrypted partition, had trouble starting HAL). i've got HAL working and kpowersave can see the battery just fine and manipulate my power settings just fine except for standby, suspend, and hibernate, which don't seem to be available to anything in TDE (or at least aren't on the logoff menu) Piki i have to switch to CLI and execute pm_suspend to supsend the computer. the odd part (i don't know if this is TDE or Xorg) goes to VT8 instead of VT7 as it normally does booting from grub Piki my main concern is getting suspend/hibernate available to trinity, i don't like having it shut down on low battery because that force-closes my apps, so i don't have a chance to save if i'm not at the laptop Xu_R Strangelv: upgrade worked - don't be scared :P Piki !seen kb9vqf tbottu kb9vqf was last seen 2 hours, 7 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying 'samelian: change tqparent_id to parent_id' in #trinity-desktop. Piki hmm, then he's probably not here right now :-) *kb9vqf does not know how to fix Piki's problem so he's hiding ;-) Piki lol Piki i'm thinking of reinstalling TDE (doing a complete removal to purge the config files). i've fluxbox installed, so it's no biggie if i don't get to actually installing after i remove Piki it took me a few days to figure out HAL, turns out it was generating a cache file under the wrong name, i needed to rename to make it work Piki i'm thinking that problem might have interfered with TDE when i installed it Piki kb9vqf: btw, i remember seeing kdesu problems on the mailing list so i'm not sure if i should file this in the bug tracker, but for some reason kdesu is acting as kdesudo. it wouldn't work at all (e.g. typing "kdesu synaptic" in the Run dialog would nothing), so i set myself up in sudoers, and now kdesu the same as kdesudo (same dialog, using my password instead of root) *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-02T03:15:31Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *anima- has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *krike has joined #trinity-desktop krike tbottu: Hello tbottu krike: Sorry, I've no idea what 'Hello' might be. krike tbottu: who are you? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R lmao, someone thought tbottu was a person. Xu_R well, off to school *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv Plopping in the Ubuntu Natty disc and selecting upgrahde is at best a recipe for inconvenience Strangelv It did its best to change sources.list, seems to have ripped out things it couldn't find Natty versions of, and ripped out everything it couldn't find in sources.list. TDE was only one of the things it did this with. Strangelv "Possibility: create a natty package tree, even if it's the same identical packages for Meerkat? *Strangelv momentarily has his notebook in the same room as his workstation to check things, if anyone is both here and interested *Strangelv is pondering his options and the opportunity to grill him for information may close later on today Strangelv "At least with me being able to check the system I did the test upgrade with Strangelv "Test results: far from ideal kb9vqf Problem is that I can't build Natty packages until CMake is finished. Period. kb9vqf I can't even alter the existing Maverick ones kb9vqf Ubuntu broke Automake post-release kb9vqf and I'm waiting for CMake to build new packages *zc456 has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv I know -- I was thinking of a directory called Natty and putting teh existinc Maverick ones there Strangelv "It might get past the automatic upgrader Strangelv Just make suer that th etrue Natty packages overwrite the faux Natty packages Strangelv I suspect the wersion number will be different anyway, maying that an easy bet Strangelv "Are you able to think of any questions involving the wreckage of the automatic update before I reinstall with the Meerkat DVD? kb9vqf ah, well, I *might* be able to add an HTTP redirect/symlink from natty to maverick for now kb9vqf personally I am starting to really, really hate what Ubuntu did with their latest "auto upgrade" tools Strangelv "That sounds fully equivalent to what I'm asking for. Thank you Strangelv What other reports do you have? kb9vqf Xu_R mentioned that it was working OK *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv may have to hunt down his swiftweaser 2 package from scratch Strangelv "Swiftweasel 2 Strangelv "I'm not ready to migrate from it to firefox 4. Given that the repository that gave me 4 promptly replaced it with 6, which I didn't even know existed already, I've not yet verified that 4 is as stable as 2 Strangelv "I don't know what Xu_R did, but I suspect it wasn't what I did Strangelv The current build of six on this machien, while also more stable than 3.6, tends to make firefox 2 look consirvative in its memory usage by comparison kb9vqf Strangelv: Unfortunately a simple symlink won't work, as the Releases file encodes the distribution name kb9vqf Talk to Xu_R and see what upgrade procedure he used kb9vqf something should probably go on the Wiki as well, detailing the temporary procedure to upgrade from Maverick to Natty while 3.5.13 is not yet released *Strangelv can document a few steps to not do, perhaps Strangelv "Without a clear idea for what to do differently I'll probabyl try apt-get next kb9vqf that would work for now I guess kb9vqf sorry for the trouble kb9vqf my hands are tied right now :( *kb9vqf is very angry at Automake Strangelv I was trying the disc largely becaues that's what a percentage of our user base is inclined to do Strangelv It's why I've been tinkering on my notebook Strangelv I spent less time with this mess than I did upgradingfrom Jaunty to Meerkat. Hopefully I can do it a littel more efficiently this time kb9vqf the foolproof way to do it is with apt-get dist-upgrade Strangelv "onyl it'll be a downgrade this time Strangelv "That's often not worked well with *ubuntu kb9vqf ah Strangelv "Thus my looking onlien for tips and finding out about the disc upgrade Strangelv I wouldn't have thought to try that otherwise kb9vqf I use it all the time, but then again I get to do the dpkg --configure -a && apt-get -f install cycle a lot ;-) kb9vqf Debian keeps looking more attractive to me Strangelv dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/somethingorother/somenamehere.so kb9vqf yeah, that too Strangelv There are reasons I migrated away from debian, although the mess you can get in combining Ubuntu and Debian packages was part of it Strangelv 'I had a system with just such a wess before I reinstalled kb9vqf yes, I know first hand about some of Debian' kb9vqf s problems Strangelv Previously I'd used Libranet as my Debian installer Strangelv "Then Libranet went away after its owner/developer died rather abruptly kb9vqf but Ubuntu has made it so that the only way I can upgrade is to back up and dist-upgrade while crossing my fingers Strangelv Looking for a replacement that could provide a newer kernel and XOrg, I ended up with Kubuntu 5.04 kb9vqf sounds familiar :) kb9vqf except my first was 7.04 Strangelv It was never my plan to end up with the kewl populr distro kb9vqf was on Debian before that, and Fedora 3 earlier Strangelv I was trying to use the so-untrendy Debian since 1997 or so Strangelv Dual booting is a non-solution if you keep your machien up 24/7 and the only time it goes down is followed up by a mad vscramble to get back up and wheer you were before the crash... kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf is also familiar with that kb9vqf My uptime is usually measured in months Strangelv Took awhile to scrape together a second machine that could run it. Most of my extra hardware was 486 boards with 4 SIMM slots and all my 30 pin SIMMs were 1 M. I neverdid find an installer I could download over dialup that only needed 4 MB kb9vqf that's the limit of what I can stand in terms of kernel security patches, which force restarts *Strangelv tries to send himself some money from 2011 to 2001, but runs into snags Strangelv "Send myself money to buy silver at $4 an ounce... kb9vqf hehe kb9vqf hindsight is always 20/20 *kb9vqf wishes he had bought some gold at around the same time Strangelv "I desperately wanted to buy gold at teh time; had no money Strangelv I didn't know that silver was an even better idea Strangelv Similarly I desperately wanted ot short Rambus at its overhyped peak and buy AMD right before the K7 came out Strangelv Both of those plays would have gone precisely as I predicted kb9vqf my the way, I would hold off on upgrading to Natty right now, not based on Trinity, but because my "stock" Natty systems keep crashing kb9vqf *By kb9vqf They are basic installs running Xvfb and no window manager, so it has to be a bug or bugs in the Natty kernel, which already has other known bugs related to power management kb9vqf Ubuntu put out a sloppy product this time kb9vqf I think the 6 month release cycle is biting them hard *kb9vqf knows he couldn't keep up with it, and suspects core devs couldn't either :-P Strangelv One of the main difficulties I had with Debian's rolling system is that I couldn't really run testing because that's not what enybody compiled against Strangelv "They always compiled against unstable Strangelv I don't know if this is still the case *kb9vqf is getting a chuckle out of the Gnome 3.0 fuss--been there, done that, created Trinity in response :) Strangelv I kind of dropped out in late 2005 Strangelv "And thank you very much focr taking the lead on this, as if I've ont said that enough times in the past year and a half or so Strangelv or is it two years now? kb9vqf It's been a while; I've lost track of time myself kb9vqf At this point Trinity is a unique product kb9vqf there is nothing else like it available kb9vqf closest is xfce kb9vqf I'm curious how all those KDE 3 users that went to Gnome are liking the change ;-) Strangelv Any estimates on when the next version isn't going to be spread across teh tarmac? kb9vqf ? Strangelv There are still systems and distros using pre-TDE KDE 3 Strangelv The CMake conversions, the TQt conversions kb9vqf Ah, that kb9vqf Those are actually the main conversions ;-) kb9vqf I don't have any others planned kb9vqf Those two should allow us to run for many years kb9vqf The only other "must do" is a HAL migration, but that affects kdebase and kpowersave only kb9vqf and a very small part of kdebase at that Strangelv Just hope CMake doesn't decide to follow Automake's random compatibility breakage cycle kb9vqf They haven't so far kb9vqf and looking at the two file formats, CMake is far less likely to break kb9vqf Automake was always a mess kb9vqf CMake is small and clean Strangelv Is there a progress chart or list anywhere? Strangelv a list of packages and their status? Strangelv or separate lists taht could be used to construct such a list? kb9vqf See the channel topic ;-) kb9vqf Also, I have been taking all CMake buildable packages and performing the final TQt4 conversion on them kb9vqf so, a list of completely finished conversion packages is available here: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+packages?start=0&batch=300 Strangelv Okay, tahkn you. I'd focgotten about that page kb9vqf If it builds (the green checkmark), it is completely converted to CMake and TQt4 kb9vqf np Strangelv Fifefox 6 doesn't trust that link kb9vqf Yes, I can't afford a "real" security certificate kb9vqf I hear that there is a free one available from Xu_R, but I have not had time to look into it yet kb9vqf that is, Xu_R told me where to get a free one ;-) kb9vqf The one I have now is self signed Strangelv Dolphin... why name such a pathetic excuse for an application after such a wonderful creature? kb9vqf Hehe kb9vqf And intelligent too Strangelv yes kb9vqf the last thing I think of when using the application Strangelv we need to incorporate other intelligent creatures into our culture. It may be the best solution to protecting them Strangelv Can't afford a lobotomy? Run Dolphin! kb9vqf :)) kb9vqf Guaranteed to give you carpal tunnel from feverish mouse clicking! Strangelv I didn't get that far Strangelv I read the hype, went out of my way to install it, and then... wait a minute. What am I missing here... kb9vqf how about...everything? *Strangelv laughs kb9vqf The only way to get around Qt4's inherent clunkiness is to....not use the Qt4 widgets :-P Strangelv uh oh Strangelv That defeats a big chunk of even having it kb9vqf TQt builds its own widgets on the Qt4 base Strangelv "of the purpose of kb9vqf No, not really kb9vqf Widgets are relatively simple kb9vqf The graphics code is NOT kb9vqf Qt4 still has good graphics/input device/network code kb9vqf They just customized the built in widgets for mobile phones kb9vqf Believe it or not, the widgets are a small amount of the Qt code kb9vqf The majority of the code is in the Qt core stuff kb9vqf QObject, QWidget, etc. Strangelv Is it just me, or is Unity just as annoying as KDE 4? kb9vqf yes it is kb9vqf that;s what I was referring to earlier kb9vqf I'm sitting back and thinking of all the trouble that those people who abandoned KDE3 for Gnome must be having right now.... *karsten_3 has joined #trinity-desktop *nferenc has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf laughs quietly to himself Strangelv Linus, et al. abondoned KDE for Gnome to get away from KDE 4 edakiri you can ask me. That's what I mostly did. Strangelv MAybe we need a porody of one of teh 'always come back to teh basics' poster, although we're NOT the basic GUI. We're the advanced one. kb9vqf And the KDE4 style of computing fell right back in their laps :) kb9vqf If anything, this shows the problems with the "run and hide" solution to a problem kb9vqf Rather than making their voices heard, a lot of KDE users just ran to Gnome instead edakiri I thought, "I'll try to be a beta tester and early adopter of KDE4." Bad idea! Even now, it does not all run well on Debian-based distros. kb9vqf problem is, that makes KDE4 look like it did something right, as only vocal supporters are left kb9vqf so of course Gnome will pick up on that and make Gnome 3 look like KDE4 kb9vqf s/look/act/g kb9vqf We need a "Take control of your computer again!" poster :) kb9vqf rather than letting it control you Strangelv At least the vocal supportes of KDE 4 aren't as venomous as they were towards those who dared to disagree with them as they were around the time Kubuntu came out with 4.1 kb9vqf that is primarily because a lot of the people who disagreed are no longer KDE users edakiri Well, I was in a gnome3 channel and they seemed to be somewhat aware that they did not exactly wish to repeat KDE4's ways, particularly in regards to reliability. Strangelv ...or am I just not running into their writings as much anymore? kb9vqf so it's no longer a problem for them, and they become less venemous kb9vqf edakiri: Well, they've made a reliable mess kb9vqf they seem to have repeated the KDE4 GUI idea edakiri Well, there is nothing which can import kaddressbook files well, which is why I did not go pure gnome. kb9vqf I can't help but wonder why everyone wants to dumb down the desktop kb9vqf why can't we have the best of both worlds, instead of forcing power users back to the command line kb9vqf linux is losing its focus IMHO Strangelv ::'s opinion is never offered humbly. edakiri kb9vqf: are you mainly speaking of gnome Shell? kb9vqf Gnome and KDE4 both kb9vqf Gnome Unity/3.0 that is kb9vqf If people want a Mac, they will buy a Mac Strangelv Unity is Grome 3? kb9vqf Pretty close kb9vqf IIRC kb9vqf At least the same UI ideas are present kb9vqf Unity may have added 3D acceleration edakiri I think Unity is mostly the Ubuntu Netbook UI. edakiri or borrows much from that line. *kb9vqf does not keep up with Gnome much these days kb9vqf I may have the name wrong kb9vqf Gnome 3.0 is what I am referring to kb9vqf The next version past 2.x kb9vqf obviously I don't know the codename *Strangelv ponders pointing to TDE 3.5 as an immediate next destination after KDE 3.5 -> KDE 4.1 immediatly to Gnome 2 then to Gnome 3.0 then immediately to Unity Strangelv "Want a real desktop environment again? Come back home from the Basics. kb9vqf You have half an idea there at least kb9vqf "Tired of your computer controlling you? Take charge with Trinity 3.6!" kb9vqf s/you/your life/g kb9vqf s/charge/charge again/g Strangelv What are teh milestones for 3.6? Strangelv or is that with CMake and Tqt? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf TQt4 compilability kb9vqf which implies CMake support kb9vqf Note that I don't expect 3.6 to work reliably under Qt4, just to compile under Qt4 kb9vqf as I mentioned in the meeting kb9vqf We will stick with Qt3 for at least the next few releases kb9vqf which means I may need to add Qt3 to our official SVN, but I will jump off that bridge when I come to it kb9vqf I would also like to see a majority of the bugs fixed, but that is going to be hard while CMake is still being ported *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf It would be a good idea to come up with a nice advertising blitz/campaign in the mean time kb9vqf so that when 3.6 is done we can hit Trinity's advantages over KDE4/Gnome3 hard kb9vqf I know we have some Gnome/KDE4 users here that may be able to help in that regard kb9vqf as they can honestly compare the desktop environments Strangelv Xu_R: how did you do the Natty upgrade? My test went a bit differlently than your description Xu_R|School Strangelv: install `update-manager` Xu_R|School then run it Xu_R|School when it asks you for a new version of ubuntu, upgrade from there Strangelv Yes, that's definitely not what I did Xu_R|School Strangelv: *you need to use the ubuntu distribution upgrade tool* *Strangelv tested out the directons he read about online about the installation disc's upgrade option. The test results were.. informative. Strangelv We need to warn people away from using that option Xu_R|School Strangelv: how about a news item on the front page? Xu_R|School kb9vqf: ^ kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf sounds good kb9vqf BUT kb9vqf we should have the proper installation procedure on the Wiki first kb9vqf so that it can be referenced in a positive manner in the news release kb9vqf otherwise it will make Ubuntu's problem look like our problem :-P Xu_R|School kb9vqf: lol. kb9vqf want to handle the Wiki article for me? kb9vqf I have not upgraded to Natty myself kb9vqf and do not plan to due to the Natty kernel instability kb9vqf I usually give Ubuntu some time to settle after release Strangelv I'm trying to avoid the opposite mistake kb9vqf Xu_R|School: ^^^^^ Xu_R|School kb9vqf: sure, I have time right now :) kb9vqf OK, thanks Strangelv Jpgrading from Jaunty was likely no messier than undoing the bad Natty upgrade will be kb9vqf just poke me with the link when you're done kb9vqf Make it as detailed (hand-holding) as possible Strangelv I may not hive time to try to duplicate the update-manager method Strangelv "today *Strangelv also has a URL he's not wanting to post to a logged location, so he whispers edakiri Having tried a few Ubuntus, I'm guessing the LTS ones are less buggy. Strangelv Same location as before, just with a slightly longer and different set of wallpapers Strangelv The problem I ran into with teh LTS I tried was that upgrading from it was a pain kb9vqf edakiri: Not always kb9vqf Maverick is rock solid for me kb9vqf Natty is not yet :-/ Xu_R|School kb9vqf: should be good enough for most people: http://trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/DistroUpgrade_Ubuntu1010-1104 kb9vqf OK, can anyone confirm that the instructions on that page function properly? kb9vqf Strangelv: ^^^^^ *kb9vqf wants to be sure before issuing a news release Strangelv Sorry, been trying to reduce the number of tasks I need to be doing. So despite getting rid of one of them I've gained two Strangelv Needs to mention that the CD upgrade will not work (it also shows only two lines of output at one time when you have it set to show you anything at all, making it trivially easy to miss things taht are important) Strangelv As for confirming, I'm nsot suer I'm going to get Jaunty reinstalled to my notebook today to test the upgrahde again Strangelv Which component handles wallpaper? kdeartwork? kb9vqf kdebase kb9vqf there are a limited number of slots kb9vqf kdeartwork I think has "extra" wallpapers Strangelv submitted *Strangelv tries to remember some of the ones he needed to adda year ago Strangelv enough open apps on a given desktop and alt-tab ceases to be 1005 useful *Strangelv tires to think of a better way to phrase that *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf OK, Natty information has been posted to http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ *Strangelv ponders a good size for a downsampled screenshot *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has now submitted his long-belated alt-tab nit to the bug trackeg *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv "Hello *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey Strangelv *Strangelv wonders if his tiling wallpaper constructions hurt MutantTurkey's eyes *Strangelv whispers the not for public visibility URL to MutantTurkey MutantTurkey hmmmm? MutantTurkey ok i see MutantTurkey Strangelv: haha what is this? MutantTurkey surely my eyes do hurt Strangelv Which ones hurt the least and how might I make them pleasenter? MutantTurkey wait what is this for? Strangelv TDE desktop wallpaper Xu_R MutantTurkey: same, my eyes hurt with them X_x Strangelv These aren't stock images -- I created them within the past week or so specificalyl to propoes for wallpaper MutantTurkey Strangelv: they look like windows 95 wallpapers. *Strangelv notes that it could be worse. No one has called tehm boring Strangelv L421_all_r1.png has gotten the most positive comments Strangelv L424_004.png is my current desktop 1 wallpaper Xu_R Strangelv: can you whisper the link again? Strangelv I'm wondering how http://www.dementionality.com/tqtde/L424_012_fix1.png could be painful MutantTurkey that is the least painful Xu_R really? that was the most painful for me >_> Strangelv I'm thinking of re-rendering it. My first vesion of it looked better, but had some technical issues. That said, I'm not completely happy with it and am thinking of starting over from scratch to do a different brick wall Xu_R Strangelv: not too crazy about the designs, dude. Strangelv what sorts of things do you look for? Xu_R something light; fresh. *Strangelv 's wallpaper is usually something he's working on, so maybe he's not looking for the right things Xu_R hmm... i had a link before.. Strangelv The default wallpaper for Natty Ubuntu is perhaps the very antithesis of wmhat I personally look for... Xu_R Strangelv: from over at unitylinux: http://forum.unity-linux.org/attachment.php?aid=230 Xu_R http://forum.unity-linux.org/attachment.php?aid=229 Xu_R if you can't see the links right now, it's probably cause of DNS issues - wait a few hours and try again Strangelv I must admit those a a different type than what I've been doing. All teh examples I have right now are tiling. *Strangelv never expected L424_085.png to be described as hard on the eyes *Strangelv 's desktop 4 wallpaper is L424_085.png *Strangelv wonders what the reactions is in here for such KDE era staples as Time For Lunch samelian kb9vqf: in debian packages exists suport for riokarma, in amarok? samelian the module libamarok_riokarma-mediadevice.so exists? samelian seems that riokarma needs mono kb9vqf samelian: I don't see it samelian so I assume that riokarma support is not supported anymore samelian but daap? samelian this need ruby samelian the module for daap is named libamarok_daap-mediadevice.so kb9vqf .soname? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf that is part of the ubuntu package samelian ok samelian riokarma is compilable, but I'm not sure how to link it to /usr/lib/karma-sharp/karma-sharp.dll samelian linker just ignore it samelian i receive linker errors like riokarmamediadevice.cpp:(.text+0x72d): undefined reference to `lk_karma_write_smalldb' kb9vqf I have no idea either kb9vqf since it isn't part of Ubuntu just leave it for now samelian ok then, I will leave it as is kb9vqf put a note in the CMake file saying what needs to be done samelian ok kb9vqf thanks *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: TQtrue is defined by tqt? kb9vqf I'm not sure samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/mediadevice/daap/mongrel/http11/http11.c:331:42: error: 'TQtrue' undeclared (first use in this function) samelian this is plain C source samelian I renamed TQtrue to Qtrue and seems fine now kb9vqf ok, that's acceptable samelian kb9vqf: on ubuntu exists libamarok_ipod-mediadevice.so? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf and I know it builds, so... samelian pls tell me version of gpod needed by libamarok_ipod-mediadevice.so samelian if I correct remember, newer versions of gpod are not compatible with amarok kb9vqf samelian: There is no compilation error kb9vqf I found the one #define that was incorrect kb9vqf so it should work with the latest gpod kb9vqf if I am wrong please let me know samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: yes, is building against latest libgpod, 0.8.0 kb9vqf good samelian kb9vqf: note that I change WITH_LIBGPOD to WITH_GPOD, for consistence with the rest of flags kb9vqf that's fine samelian kb9vqf: maybe WITH_GPOD should be WITH_IPOD? kb9vqf ok kb9vqf WITH_IPOD it is samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: media devices are commited kb9vqf ok, thanks kb9vqf anything left to do or should that be it kb9vqf ? samelian i'm not sure :) samelian try a build and we will see if I forgot something samelian i ported only xine engine, maybe ubuntu want more kb9vqf ok kb9vqf i'll fire a build later tonight *kb9vqf has his hands full ATM samelian hehe samelian ok then samelian gn all kb9vqf gn *Arch___ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Amarok got a little farther but still failing: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/4041 *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop samelian ok *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: amarok is using DBusTQt, but dbus-tqt's namespace is named DBusQt kb9vqf It still compiles kb9vqf just leave it for now samelian actually is not failing samelian /home/serghei/projects/trinity/applications/amarok/amarok/src/engine/yauap/yauap-engine.h:33:5: error: 'DBusTQt' does not name a type samelian is fail* samelian kb9vqf: ubuntu provide amarok_nmmengine_plugin.desktop ? kb9vqf samelian: No samelian good samelian kb9vqf: amarok_helixengine_plugin.desktop ? kb9vqf samelian: No samelian ok samelian I changed DBusTQt to DBusQt samelian kb9vqf: yauap-engine is ported to cmake kb9vqf ok kb9vqf thanks *kb9vqf goes to fire a rebuild kb9vqf samelian: Still failing: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/4043 kb9vqf Did I forget a CMake flag perhaps? samelian you passed -D_WITH_YAUAP? kb9vqf nop kb9vqf *nope kb9vqf I'll do that now kb9vqf I assume it's supposed to be -DWITH_YAUAP samelian yes kb9vqf building now... kb9vqf Now if fails like this: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/4045 kb9vqf the detection macro may need to be updated kb9vqf see knetworkmanager/kpowersave kb9vqf samelian: ^^^^^^^^ samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: i fixed kpowersave few days ago, I forgot to commit it samelian Committed revision 1230316. samelian kb9vqf: where is installed dbus-tqt.pc? *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: I have a /usr/lib/pkgconfig/dbus-1-tqt.pc, but no dbus-tqt.pc kb9vqf where did dbus-tqt.pc come from? kb9vqf samelian: Did you modify dbus-tqt in KDE SVN without pushing the same changes to trinitydesktop.org SVN? kb9vqf doesn't look like it kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf samelian: You didn't activate dbus-tqt.pc in the dbus-tqt CMakeLists.txt on trinitydesktop.org SVN kb9vqf it's commented out kb9vqf I activated it and am rebuilding dbus-tqt now *cfaust has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: I commited some changes for dbus-tqt kb9vqf so did I kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf rebuilding..... kb9vqf samelian: Please don't commit dbus-tqt changes to KDE SVN kb9vqf upstream is trinitydesktop.org SVN kb9vqf please commit your changes there samelian we will not commit anymore to kde svn? samelian I missed this decision, i guess kb9vqf Only for dbus-tqt and dbus-tqt-1 samelian aha samelian but without dbus-tqt and dbus-tqt-1 we cannot build some packages kb9vqf I keep KDE SVn in sync, but upstream development for those two is on the trinitydesktop.org svn kb9vqf so commit your changes to trinitydesktop.org as well as KDE SVN kb9vqf but I will always overwrite KDE SVN with whatever is in trinitydesktop.org SVN samelian i'm not sure how to commit in both places kb9vqf well, commit it to trinitydesktop.org and I'll sync it with KDE SVN samelian ok kb9vqf thanks kb9vqf By the way the URL is http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main/dependencies/dbus-tqt-1 samelian please remind me how to checkout trinity's svn kb9vqf svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main/dependencies/dbus-tqt-1 --username=samelian . samelian thx kb9vqf np *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *marcelC has joined #trinity-desktop marcelC hello! marcelC dose anyone know why kde 3.5 was discontinued? marcelC and how can I install trinity in this new ubuntu 11.04 marcelC shou I compile it? edakiri marcelC: you can compile if you wish. edakiri i don't know whether there exists a compiled version affect kde 3.5 was discontinued because it was too straightforward, functional, configurable and nice to use affect today's software has to be 3d, shiny, non-configurable, difficult to use and resource-intensive affect that's the tendency *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop edakiri affect: i think he meant kde3.5 discontinued for TDE, not why discontinued for kde4 affect it's a pity in that case affect since it was really hard to type those long sentences *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *krike has joined #trinity-desktop krike I hope that the kde-i18n package will be separated individual packages such as kde-i18n-fi-3.5.12.tar* krike 360MiB is very large to handle between disks. krike (whole kde-i18n-3.5.12.tar.gz) krike I thing that I like this project. krike tbottu: translate from en to fi with google: Hello world tbottu krike: Erm, well, translating from one language to the same language... doesn't change anything! *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv doesn't remember howv the translation syntax works. He'd forgotten all about it, actually *backwoodsman has joined #trinity-desktop backwoodsman anyone awake here? kb9vqf yes backwoodsman got a problem installing Trinity on Natty. Got 13 uninstallable dependencies, so ran apt-get -f, now there's only one, libpoppler-qt2 kb9vqf Odd *kb9vqf does not have a lot of control over Natty at the moment backwoodsman this is a brand new install of Natty, updated but nothing else changed. Oh, I did install Synaptic but nothing else. kb9vqf the Trinity release cycle is offset from Ubuntu right now, and I can't rebuild the Maverick packages for Natty (they just won't work) kb9vqf you may need to pull libpoppler-qt2 from the Maverick repository kb9vqf (manually download & install it) kb9vqf http://packages.ubuntu.com backwoodsman I'll find it and see if it'll install, back in a while kb9vqf http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/libpoppler-qt2 kb9vqf ok backwoodsman I was confused earlier, I still have the 13 problems, 8 uninstallable and 5 "not going to be installed." Is this what's expected? backwoodsman is this going to work, or should I stick with Maverick for a while? kb9vqf personally I would stick with Maverick kb9vqf I have no experience with Natty myself so I can't help muchn kb9vqf *much kb9vqf Xu_R upgraded to Natty AFAIK kb9vqf he may be able to help you more than I can kb9vqf we just don't have the manpower to stay on a 6 month release like Ubuntu does *Strangelv sees the build status for amarok-trinity - 4:3.5.13-0ubuntu7+r1230334+pr181 and cheers *Strangelv may or may not make an upgrade test today. He has other tasks that also need to be attended to that would tistrat him from trying to carefulyl remember exactly what he did *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop backwoodsman I'll stay with Mav for now. Don't have time to try to make it work, and don't care about running the latest release. I just need my computers to work well with a minimum of time & hassle, and not require everyone to learn a new interface for no better reason than that it's new. backwoodsman by the way, really appreciate your work on Trinity. *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf thanks, glad to hear it :) kb9vqf we're working hard to get the build system repaired so that new packages for Natty/etc. can be built *Xu_R|School_ has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ *PovAddict has joined #trinity-desktop krike what is wrong: tqtinterface needs tqtinterface-dev installed? I use 3.5.12 version krike libtool not link the libtqt. hmm... *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *PovAddict has left #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has left #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *leahcim has joined #trinity-desktop leahcim Hi *leahcim can't for the life of him work out where konqueror's default page config is stored. leahcim (or how to turn off the "starting points" page) leahcim Oh wait, I just found it :P Space_Man where is it? *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv : MikeD says, "Does KDE/Trinity not allow icon shadows?" Space_Man the icons would have to stick out from the screen to make a shadow! kb9vqf The text under the icons can have a shadow Strangelv "The question came up because of Samelin's request to reduce the contrast with one of the proposed wallpapers because it was hard to see his icons Strangelv I only showed him three of them, not the entire directory *Strangelv looks at 'use the following program for drawing the background' and ponders pointing it to a screensaver, but needs to be afk for a few *backwoodsman has joined #trinity-desktop backwoodsman dumb question time... I can't figure out how to make the icons in the K menu a little smaller.. Any help? *backwoodsman has joined #trinity-desktop backwoodsman got disconnected for a couple minutes, don't know if anyone responded to my question? *kb9vqf never had to do that, but he would suggest looking at the icons module in KControl backwoodsman tried that, none of them apply to the menu kb9vqf try posting a question to the mailing list kb9vqf it is possible that the functionality you want does not (yet) exist backwoodsman thanks, I'll try the mailing list.. *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop samelian kb9vqf: you know what is this? samelian http://paste.lug.ro/131071 samelian is just a warning, but seems dangerous to me kb9vqf no idea, other than it looks to be buried in Qt3 kb9vqf that might explain some of the odd corruption under glibc *kb9vqf is not sure samelian kb9vqf: please tell me soversion for libksvg.so kb9vqf samelian: libksvg.so.0.0.1 samelian thx kb9vqf np samelian kb9vqf: ubuntu provide svgdisplay? samelian nevermind, I ported it anyway samelian unfortunately svgdisplay is crashing *cpatrick008 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick008 i was wondering when tde based on natty was going to come out *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cromartie-x588 has joined #trinity-desktop *cromartie-x588 has left #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *cromartie-x182 has joined #trinity-desktop *cromartie-x182 has left #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop Strangelv "May need to include the Natty directions link in the topic *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-06T23:37:34Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-06T23:51:55Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-07T00:49:11Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-07T00:58:29Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey MutantTurkey you got my stuff right? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *strowi has joined #trinity-desktop strowi good morning *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *strowi has left #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey anyone seen David around? kb9vqf Nope kb9vqf !seen drankin tbottu I've never seen a 'drankin', sorry. MutantTurkey hmmm MutantTurkey bummer MutantTurkey kb9vqf: good to see some of kdegraphics is getting commited s15y Hi, anybody able to resize knotes notes? (I'm using knotes-trinity 4:3.5.12-0debian7+r1178442) s15y (sometimes, resize button in lower right corner does not appear) *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf s15y: I've seen the same behaviour. Most of the time activating another window (clicking on it) and then clicking on the note will make the resize handle reappear kb9vqf (and yes, this is an old KDE3.5.10 bug AFAIK) *Strangelv thinks of the age old cry 'we need to throw away our old buggy codebase and start all over from scratch with a too-long-delayed, feature incomplete new buggy codebase' Strangelv Proderly modular, it doesn't matter how buggy it is. Replace one object or limrary at a time with not so buggy Strangelv "but I don't know what the case is with what we inherited from KDE *Strangelv is busy falling asleep looking at printing and fulfillment solutions and failing to think of the third part he's needing kb9vqf What we inherited was nearly feature complete and quite stable kb9vqf ~200 bugs is really not bad at all considering the size of the codebas kb9vqf *codebase kb9vqf And I have never had any problem with the modularity--in fact, KDE3 is one of the most modular (in sensible areas) projects I have ever worked on :-/ MutantTurkey ~200 bugs for a code base of like 3+ gigs is ridiculously good MutantTurkey it just happens everything i need specifically has a bug or two :p *kb9vqf notes that life is often like that :-P{ MutantTurkey :P MutantTurkey I got offered a 40hours a week doing paid computer internship! :D *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop s15y kb9vqf: thanks, right. I found several references for this problem both in KDE 3 and 4, one with a fix reference #951879 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189050 but I could not look at the commit. s15y For me, the trick is to switch desktops in order to have the resize handle appear. *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Did you get my latest build failure message? kb9vqf (for kdegraphics) samelian about docs? kb9vqf yes *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop samelian not yet, I must to change tde_create_handbook() again... kb9vqf ok *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrik08 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey guys MutantTurkey samelian: how goes kdegraphics? samelian slow :) MutantTurkey D: MutantTurkey how much has been commited? MutantTurkey sorry if it is not good. samelian check there: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/9 MutantTurkey nice, mostly done K`zan The quickbrowser applet in the old deb5 kde3 had 2 options: open in file manager and open in terminal. Been looking for how to get the latter back for a couple days with no luck, anyone have an idea on this? TMIA! *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *imc has joined #trinity-desktop imc you sure are the people i was looking for :) imc i was planning to upgrade my girlfriend's laptop to squeeze. But still wanting kde 3.5 on it *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Any progress on kdegraphics? samelian yes samelian i just ported kolourpaint kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf was wondering about the kdvi doc macro problem kb9vqf but any progress is good :) samelian kb9vqf: i'm not how to modify it samelian you can tell me which files are needed for kdvi docs? *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop Z_God I'm trying to install Trinity into natty Z_God I had to add maverick's universe repository to satisfy some dependencies Z_God but now it reports it cannot find this package "system-config-printer-kde-kde3" Z_God I would expect this to be part of trinity, any idea why it can't be found? *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop Z_God fixed it :) *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf serghei: A full file list is available in the build log for kdegraphics here: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~trinity/+archive/trinity/+build/2303 kb9vqf Scroll to near the bottom of the build log to see it kb9vqf samelian: ^^^^^ samelian ok samelian kb9vqf: kdvi docs should be fixed in SVN revision 1231321 K`zan The quickbrowser applet in the old deb5 kde3 had 2 options: open in file manager and open in terminal. Been looking for how to get the latter back for a couple days with no luck, anyone have an idea on this? TMIA! K`zan kb9vqf K`zan: Looks like a possible bug kb9vqf (missing .desktop file perhaps, not sure) *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop Baho kb9vqf: qt3 repo access forbidden K`zan kb9vqf: OK, no real problem, it was just convenient at times. Thanks MUCH for all you do. 73. K`zan kb9vqf: If there is anything I can do to help with it (when it gets to the top of the priority stack :-) just let me know. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: thank you so much. I was seriously about to suggest we host our own Qt version, but the initiative you took is excellent MutantTurkey do we intend on letting other distros know? *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-11T05:40:49Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *marjonis has joined #trinity-desktop marjonis hi marjonis how get reboot buton in the menu?? marjonis alo *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *stav has joined #trinity-desktop stav Saluton! Iu ajn parolas esperante ĉi tie? stav Добрый день! Тут кто-нибудь говорит по-русски? stav Sorry, but I don't speaking English. Anybody speak Russian or Esperanto? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop stav Space_Man, do you speake rissian or esperanto? Space_Man hi stav, sorry I only speak english stav Sorry. I know Russian, Ukrainian and Kuban, and Esperanto. I would like to do the localization of Trinity. I will wait here until you get someone who will tell you how to do it. In English telling bad; read and understand texts can, and almost can not talk. stav You do not know if any of the developers of Trinity people who speak one of those languages that I know? *affect has joined #trinity-desktop stav affect, do you speake rissian or esperanto? affect russian affect lol somehow didn't notice the highlight *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop stav affect, написал Вам в личку. affect ) joeytwiddle the trinity version of kicker is sometimes slow to unhide (possibly parts of it got pushed to swap memory). is there any way to prevent it from being swapped out, or perhaps regularly wake itself up? edakiri joeytwiddle: possibly: see kernel parameter 'swappiness' edakiri sysctrl *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop joeytwiddle thanks *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Guest30288 has joined #trinity-desktop *miguel has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Piki /j #fosscon Piki oops *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *rraindown has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *leahcim wonders "kicker: Fatal IO error: client killed". *leahcim ponders, too. leahcim Good thing I have no shortage of mrxvt's to relaunch it from... *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *stav has joined #trinity-desktop stav Hello! Do you speake russian, ukranian or esperanto? *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *stav has left #trinity-desktop *stav has joined #trinity-desktop *stav has left #trinity-desktop *stav has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R stav: *maybe* samelian can help you :) samelian hehe, I understand russian, but I can't write samelian Xu_R: for the record, kdegraphics is done Xu_R samelian: :D *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *backwoodsman has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop backwoodsman anyone awake here? affect nope backwoodsman didn't think so.. :-/ affect I'm so sleepy I can't be considered awake affect sadly backwoodsman sounds like a caffeine deficiency to me :) affect or excess beer affect or what's the antonym for deficiency *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop *backwoodsman has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv finally moves the wallpaper candidate directory to http://www.dimensionality.com/tqtde/ so he can openly paste the link in this channel *Strangelv waits for the flying overripe fruit *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *bimal has joined #trinity-desktop bimal Hello friends bimal I am going to install KDE3 on my Ubuntu 10.10 system.. But I am getting error for unmet dependencies bimal Here is the code : http://paste.ubuntu.com/607385/ bimal anyone help me on this ? edakiri bimal: kde3 or trinity? bimal trinity bimal I have followed this instructions http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#ubuntu bimal used four lines from "For Maverick" box edakiri bimal: I would run the install with aptitude and view why it says they will not be installed. edakiri i think the package is not named kde3 anymore. edakiri the package names have 'trinity' in them. bimal <edakiri> I have tried "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" but still no luck bimal "E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-default-settings-trinity" edakiri aptitude bimal "E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-desktop-trinity" bimal oh ok bimal aptitude is also giving errors : http://paste.ubuntu.com/607387/ bimal <edakiri> the command want to remove UBUNTU-DESKTOP, SUDO, KUBUNTU-DESKTOP etc key packages edakiri bimal: yes. bimal edakiri: For your information, I have added KUBUNTU PPA to get latest KDE4 .. is this problem? edakiri i think so. edakiri i presume so, if it causes you to remove kubuntu desktop. edakiri Running kde4 applications is not a problem, except for kaboom bimal edakiri: Ok I am removing PPA and revert back to original KDE packages bimal edakiri: Will try again to install trinity after this process done *bimal has joined #trinity-desktop *stav has joined #trinity-desktop stav Hello to everybody! I want to help to you to translate Trinity in Esperanto and Russian language. With which I can speak about that? Pardon me of bad English - I do not speak in English and uses auto-translate *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *michaelmartin007 has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-14T18:18:54Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop affect amarok doesn't have any engines available although I've got xine installed what could be the problem? edakiri stav: samelian understands russian, i think. stav samelian one of the developers? how to contact them? stav edakiri, thank you edakiri stav: you found him, right? samelian stav: i'm here stav Oh, well. 'll write in private kb9vqf Surprise, surprise: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/05/qt5-kde5.html kb9vqf TQt is actually very important after all :-P affect hell yeah let's dump kde4 and start making kde5 affect new ui ofc *stav has left #trinity-desktop kb9vqf I'm pretty sure it will be new in all bad ways :( kb9vqf Everyone wants to turn their computer into a $1000 mobile phone it seems affect yep kb9vqf And my favorite is their admission in that post that even basic applications are not functional as of KDE 4.6 affect is there a way to build just amarok without everything else affect I get "Try adding the directory in which the tqt.pc file is located" cmaking applications/amarok kb9vqf It needs tqtinterface/arts/kdelibs at a minimum affect Unable to build a simple Qt3 test affect qt3config shows 3.3.8 affect paths seem fine affect hm *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop samelian affect: show me output of pkg-config tqt --cflags affect Package tqt was not found in the pkg-config search path. affect Perhaps you should add the directory containing `tqt.pc' affect to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable samelian you installed tqt? affect I got this "unable to build a simple qt3 test" when cmaking tqtinterface, if it helps samelian not exactly samelian I need to see the error samelian show me CMakeError.log affect http://pastebin.com/Rve0jixZ *Strangelv reads, "<kb9vqf> Everyone wants to turn their computer into a $1000 mobile phone it seems" samelian affect: you use gcc 4.6? *Strangelv visualises an ad with an oversized mobile phone precariously perched on a desk with printer, keyboard mouse, power et .c cables coming out of it. The interface looks pretty phony. The caption reads, What do you mean this isn't what you wanted in a desktop? affect lol affect $ gcc --version affect gcc (GCC) 4.6.0 20110429 (prerelease) samelian affect: if i'm not wrong, there are some problems with gcc 4.6 affect dang samelian your qt3 is build with gcc 4.6? Strangelv :: gets 4.4.5, but, then, he's still running the Meerkat affect duno, it's a binary from arch repo affect switched from gentoo a while ago samelian ask Baho or David Rankin about building qt3/tqt with gcc 4.6 affect https://projects.savoirfairelinux.com/issues/5438 affect I googled for that ptrdiff_t affect error and found this one affect in their patch they added the <stddef.h> affect include* affect so I added it to line 153 of ConfigureChecks.cmake affect and that check succeeded affect got a different error now tho: Your Qt3 is not patched for compatibility with tqtinterface affect xD samelian as I said, ask Baho or David about compiling on arch samelian they working to fix these problems, as far I know affect oh, I added that include to the second test and it succeeded too affect great affect who's baho and david? samelian trinity maintaners for arch samelian they are very active on trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net affect ok I'll see if I find some spare time affect basically I just wanted to rebuild amarok and see if I get a list of engines then affect but well, whatever samelian kb9vqf: you know if on ubuntu/debian, kopete come with jingle support? *rraindown has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *affect_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop affect farewell gnome3 affect I won't miss you much leahcim haha affect just wanted to whine about two broken trinity packages in arch so I had to install xfce after I removed gnome since I couldnt get trinity to install affect now tried it once again and it worked affect magic I tell you affect what if my desktop doesn't crash anymore on startup too affect I'll check *affect has joined #trinity-desktop affect no it still does affect oh well *affect has joined #trinity-desktop affect lol affect lxde.org expired affect gj *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *rraindown has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *stav has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Ddpbf has joined #trinity-desktop Ddpbf hi to all Ddpbf i am wondering could i instal kde3 on kubuntu 11.04? Space_Man Ddpbf: http://trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/DistroUpgrade_Ubuntu1010-1104 describes the 10.10 to 11.04 upgrade Ddpbf I saw that, but it's not my case Space_Man I assume adding the trinity sources to adept, updating and then installing trinity-desktop would work Ddpbf i have fresh kubuntu natty Ddpbf and i want to add kde 3 on top of it Space_Man looks like maverick is the most recent source available http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#ubuntu Ddpbf I read that maverick rep works on natty Ddpbf an I add it, but it have some conflicts Ddpbf it vants to remove sudo Ddpbf *wants *Ddpbf has left #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect_ has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has joined #trinity-desktop *Jonas29 has left #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop affect damn kde4 is still a bloated piece of crap affect I was hoping it got better by now *menace has joined #trinity-desktop menace does someone know how to deactivate the websearch in the k menu? *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R___ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it1 has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-17T23:13:16Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf samelian: Some good new for you; I've been lightening your workload :) kb9vqf Look at the bottom of this Etherpad: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/25 kb9vqf *news kb9vqf Seems I was able to get Automake working for a number of non-core packages samelian aha, nice kb9vqf I will be adding to that list as I verify and fix more packages, so check it before starting any CMake porting ;-) *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *field_it has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop K`zan You folks know that the repositories have been 404 for the better part of two weeks now? Space_Man which repositories are 404? Space_Man the first ubuntu repo on http://www.trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#ubuntu "deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu maverick main" works here Space_Man http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/ubuntu redirects to http://mirror2.tokra.lv/trinity/ubuntu/ K`zan Ah, I let the netbook upgrade to ?11.04? and that is probably the problem, checking now to see which repos are failing. kb9vqf yes, you have to use maverick, not natty kb9vqf we can't build native Natty packages yet kb9vqf (getting our build system updated to state-of-the-art at present :)) K`zan Yup, it is trying for natty, will have to edit those, sorry about this :-(. K`zan Actually, I am not having any problems so just let it sit until that comes up? kb9vqf if you want, that's fine kb9vqf it will be several months yet AFAIK K`zan Not a problem :). kb9vqf our release cycle is not synced with Ubuntu any more :) K`zan All doing fine so no worries. kb9vqf we've switched to a 12 month for now kb9vqf Good to hear :) K`zan The good stuff is well worth waiting for :)!!! *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-19T00:19:59Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *ThePing has joined #trinity-desktop *ThePing has left #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *jmux has joined #trinity-desktop jmux Hi. How can I update a translation? I couldn't find a possibility to generate pot files for the trinity packages to translate new strings in kdebase. jmux I checked the source of the Ubuntu lucid packages. *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop msb Hi! I'm using KDE3.5.10 with OpenSuse 11.4. I've been told that the KDE4 developers looked at the KDE3 code and found that it was such a mess that it would take 10 to 15 years to recode properly, so they were forced to totally rewrite KDE as KDE4 with incredibly complex "themes", a desktop-pager with the desktop names unreadable, renaming everything as "plasma" whatsits, forcing the use of the phonon audio system that doesn't work msb on some machines, and generally making the whole system a godawful mess. Would the KDE3 code really require 10 to 15 years to redo, or is that just a lie in service of whatever ulterior motives they had in making KDE4 the confusing mess that it is? msb ... confusing and dysfunctional mess... MutantTurkey hey all MutantTurkey msb: sorry let me read that whole thing. MutantTurkey msb: yes it was basically a big push for more bloat MutantTurkey basically the same thing that is happening with GNOME3, instead of sticking with the tried and true kde system, they went with an entire rewrite, which frankly is slow and bloaty msb MutantTurkey: And I think not only more bloat and lots of confusion, but crippling it for power users who use lots of desktops like I do. MutantTurkey the bloat cripples us all. MutantTurkey Rewrites are supposed to help, not hinder, which is what they did. MutantTurkey So that's us :) using trinity. msb So are the Trinity folks redoing some of the KDE3 code to make it more neat and clean? Or is that even necessary? MutantTurkey Yes there is code that is not up to par, definitely, which is alot of the legacy stuff. MutantTurkey our roadmap looks like this: CMake port, then update to Udev and get rid of hal, and switch to Qt4 MutantTurkey there's alot of information on the website MutantTurkey so half of what our goals are to do is get rid of that legacy stuff that is holding us back. msb BTW, I use a few of the KDE4 apps -- konsole, system monitor, and klipper (because I can load the clipboard from a bash script using qdbus). MutantTurkey yeah, infact alot of us do end up using those few apps that we really need MutantTurkey msb: I've gotta run out for a few hours. Any questions just poke samelian or kb9vqf msb MutantTurkey: Thanks! MutantTurkey no problem :) *kb9vqf notes that the "mess" shold really have been stated correctly....in fact, it was "oh yikes, the Qt4 API changed so much that the KDE3.5 code cannot be adapted in anything less than 5 to 10 years" ;-) kb9vqf there is nothing really wrong with the Trinity source; it just doesn't fit into the (bloated and restricted) Qt4 API very well :-P msb kb9vqf: Is it really necessary to convert to Qt4? *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Space_Man they could wait and use qt5! *Mias has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf we're converting to TQt kb9vqf not Qtx kb9vqf (where x==3,4,5,6...) kb9vqf TQt can then be altered to run on any Qt version needed kb9vqf it's our future-proofing ;-) MutantTurkey unless they significantly change the api kb9vqf they already did kb9vqf tqt provides a lot of Qt3 calls and methods of doing things that are just not available in Qt4+ kb9vqf we want to stay current with Qt for its input and output device support--that's it kb9vqf so TQt provides the needed helper classes and widgets to allow us to take advantage of the newer I/O classes MutantTurkey right. MutantTurkey I am just working on gtk3 and finding it deplorable. kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey It's so shoddy I can't even find information on it easily. quite below average as far as I can make do. kb9vqf Linux is in bad shape these days.... :-( MutantTurkey I know. MutantTurkey I would use Qt if they had C bindings! msb Suppose it was decided that the priorities for Trinity would be (in no particular order): High functionality for power-users, which means a good readable desktop-pager applet (among other things). Runs on the largest possible set of machines, which means ALSA sound and (although this is normally outside the purview of the DE) Sax2 or the equivalent for adjusting the software display to match the actual display screen, and for msb implementing things like center button simulation for two-button mice. (continued) MutantTurkey msb: Suppose it was decided before we can actually work on things that effect users, we need to get the backend crap up and running. msb Theming to be limited to selecting a solid color (via the usual color selection widget) for various window elements and NOT mapping any pattern -- tiger stripes, clouds, etc -- onto anything. The user could specify a background image png, etc, for each desktop -- that's all. msb With that limit on theming would it be necessary to utilize any theming facilities beyond those of qt3? msb MutantTurkey: Backend stuff first is a good idea, but deciding on an overall guiding philosophy for the system as early as possible may save a lot of recoding later on. kb9vqf Configurability is our primary goal here :) msb These ideas I'm suggesting are intended specifically to remedy the bad shape that Linux is in today. msb kb9vqf: Configurability in what respect? MutantTurkey In every respect! MutantTurkey At this point KDE3.5 is the most configurable system around kb9vqf I should be able to change any item I don't like in the desktop itself to something else kb9vqf e.g. if I don't like the Kickoff icon, I can change that :) kb9vqf There are much better examples kb9vqf All this configurability combined makes the user able to customize the system to his or her exact tastes kb9vqf (rather than relying on a stock or precreated theme that only comes close) msb But making _everything_ totally configurable makes the configuration UI extremely complex. Like KDE4. msb e.g., if you want to be able to make your window borders tiger-striped. That way madness lies! msb That is unnecessary for using the computer via the DE to get actual work (or entertainment) done. kb9vqf nope kb9vqf I think you are wrong there :) kb9vqf The problem with KDE4 is that you *cannot* configure the system the way you want it kb9vqf If you don't like the window theme, tough rocks, you have to program one :-P kb9vqf *program a new one msb kb9vqf: But you can configure KDE4 much more than KDE3. You just have to understand the very complex theme system and learn how to use some huge graphic program. kb9vqf Uhh, no MutantTurkey I concur with kb9vqf here. kb9vqf By that logic I can make any computer do anything kb9vqf I just have to program my own custom OS MutantTurkey KDE4 has left the choices up to the developers only msb And maybe even include bits of code in with the theme. MutantTurkey KDE3 makes it easy to make changes MutantTurkey KDE4, you would have to write a hundred manuals and spend you whole life studying to understand. kb9vqf A simple configuration option, e..g under Windows->Borders->Advanced->Border Background is tasteful, easy to find, and the end user can change it with very little effort kb9vqf and without gcc installed ;-) kb9vqf I think what we are arguing about is the options *exposed to the average end user* msb OK, but the border background has to be limited to some solid #RGB color, not a graphic pattern. kb9vqf No kb9vqf Use a file selection box and a couple of radio buttons kb9vqf along with a color picker kb9vqf all in one group box kb9vqf under the Qt3 widget styles, that might take up 100px of vertical space kb9vqf probably less kb9vqf and the user can change the system to his or her tastes kb9vqf without having to reprogram/recompile it :-P msb But then to specify arbitrary patterns for for whatever elements the user wants means that those graphics files have to go into the theme struct (or database) along with the much simpler RGB color numbers. kb9vqf so? People have Core 2 Duo processors with advanced graphics chips, not a 286 with a VGA framebuffer ;-) msb And it is not necessary! Nobody needs that to make their computer functional. If they want art they can select a Picasso for the desktop background. kb9vqf maybe you want XFCE kb9vqf it sounds like it does what you want (and nothing more) msb No, I want a simple utilitarian DE that will run on all machines and that can be created and maintained by the limited number of developers that the Trinity project is likely to attract. kb9vqf I will guarantee this: when Windows is more configurable than Linux is, people will drop Linux like a hot potato kb9vqf People put up with Linux's faults because they get something in return kb9vqf if Windows is offering them more choice, then the cost/benefit ratio tilts in its favor kb9vqf More off-the-shelf apps, etc. all add up to equal more choice msb But I will guarantee this: Microsoft, with its infinite resources, can always build in more BS/useless theme configurability than any Linux DE. kb9vqf OK kb9vqf mayb kb9vqf *maybe MutantTurkey yes, XFCE sounds like it MutantTurkey no options, just works Ok, nothing good, nothing special, totally mediocre kb9vqf yep MutantTurkey haha I use it :) kb9vqf Linux is about choice kb9vqf if you like it...use it! MutantTurkey exactly! msb If we correct Linux's actual faults -- not running right on any machine the X.org autoconfig can't deal with, sound system that doesn't work on all machines, etc., then Linux will be attractive to intelligent people who want their computer to work, rather than want it to look purty. kb9vqf Or maybe I should be proposing one standard desktop environment...with 16 colors.... ;-) kb9vqf Maybe, but when the average consumer starts window shopping, he or she will go with the OS that looks acceptable kb9vqf If Linux is just darn ugly and looks like it came from 1990, then it won't be chosen kb9vqf period MutantTurkey and basically does... kb9vqf It's not that different from people's beloved XP MutantTurkey But I love linux anyways, all for it's crappy ALSA support, crappy drivers, awful hardware problems. I still love it! kb9vqf So do I, or I wouldn't be here :) kb9vqf Linux has always been about choice kb9vqf configurability kb9vqf and I would argue complexity :) msb Me too. But we really need to think clearly here, and not throw around a lot of rhetoric. kb9vqf So far, for your needs and desires, I seriously recommend XFCE msb Linux is about simplicity, e.g., through modularity, NOT complexity. kb9vqf Simple == limited MutantTurkey if( linux == simple) return(0); kb9vqf If I wanted simple I would buy a Mac kb9vqf Now try running a business with multiple screens and 100 windows up on that mac kb9vqf without going insane kb9vqf oh, and it should provide me with VoIP phones, a Web server, a router, and some other stuff thrown in as well msb This is very disappointing. I had hoped, since KDE3 is much simpler for the user to deal with than KDE4, that Trinity was not going to have useless eye-candy configurability beyond that of, e.g., kde3.5.10. kb9vqf show me where Trinity is more complex kb9vqf the general idea in good UI design is to hide the advanced (i.e. little used) options, not get rid of them completele msb You folks want to make _every_ visual element configurable with graphic patterns, not just RGB colors. kb9vqf *completely kb9vqf and I don't mean hide as in hard to find, I mean so that they are not shown by default but can be found intuitively very quickly if the user wants to change them kb9vqf so? kb9vqf what's wrong with that again? kb9vqf get some screenshots from Trinity users--no two desktops will be the same kb9vqf the main differences will be in the configured visual elements kb9vqf which ones are shown, how big they are, what they look like, etc. msb No matter how much of that you program in, Microsoft will do stuff even more fancy (and useless). 3D, pulsing to music, sensing the user's brainwaves. None of it useful in the slightest for ease of use of the computer. *kb9vqf has better things to do than argue here kb9vqf suffice it to say, we do not intend to change the "feel" of Trinity at all msb All this BS appeals to computer-illiterate people! kb9vqf And if I want window borders that are very small? kb9vqf is that too much configuration? kb9vqf where do you draw the line? kb9vqf we can go further back into the past msb No, that's just another selectable number. KDE3 has that now. kb9vqf how about a maximum desktop size? MutantTurkey :) kb9vqf it gets stupid really fast kb9vqf one configuration option takes *MAYBE* 50 lines of code total kb9vqf why argue about it? kb9vqf why force something on the user that he or she wants to do differently? msb Because: 1. any more than what KDE3 already has now is useless. and 2. we can never successfully compete with Microsoft in this arena. kb9vqf In your opinion. There are things that I would do differently! kb9vqf and other users have other ideas as well kb9vqf I'm glad it fits you perfectly like a glove kb9vqf My glove has holes msb You say you don't want bloat. But all this useless configurability IS bloat. kb9vqf Then why is KDE4 so slow? kb9vqf It's not that configurable kb9vqf If we're removing configurability then I will buy Windows 7, take the desktop environment MS shoved down my throat (Aero), and call it a day kb9vqf the cost/benefit just tilted in their favor msb KDE4 is a lot more themeable than KDE3. Which makes its code and UI much more complex. kb9vqf How? kb9vqf Prove it kb9vqf Make it look like Trinity kb9vqf oh wait, you can't kb9vqf Nice and themable! kb9vqf It's complex for one reason alone: Qt4 did not offer classes to handle a lot of the functions that typically exist in a desktop environment because they chose to implement functions for a mobile environment msb I don't want any visual configurability to be removed from KDE3. But none has to be added either (except for a separate background graphic for each desktop, if it doesn't have that already). kb9vqf And if I say that I should draw the line there abitrarily, like you were earlier? kb9vqf (it already has that function BTW) kb9vqf what would you think then? kb9vqf "No, we can't do that because it makes Trinity too complicated" kb9vqf would you use this DE? msb If it already has that, then yes, draw the line there. Because we do have to draw the line somewhere. *kb9vqf does not have time for this pointless argument kb9vqf XFCE is your best bet msb I am already using KDE3.5.10 and am quite happy with it. msb Does XFCE have 20 desktops, a good readable desktop-pager applet, panels that I can put anywhere, and applets that I can put where I want in the panels? msb This is not a pointless argument. This discussion is at the heart of having Linux work on all machines, be easy to install and configure, have all the functionality that anyone needs to make their apps run easily, and be maintainable by a group of developers far smaller than what Microsoft can pay for. kb9vqf Make a Wiki page with your ideas kb9vqf We can discuss them in the next meeting kb9vqf There are other devs here that agree with me kb9vqf and you can present your ideas to the entire team kb9vqf I don't like this "hard line that shall not be crossed" stuff kb9vqf Some people use that "eye candy" to let their computer indicate to them the status of programs and other little statuses that improve the usability of the window manager for them kb9vqf Or some use it to overcome visual difficulties kb9vqf and there are others that just don't like staring at an ugly box all day long kb9vqf (yes, you can like "pretty" things and not want to give up functionality to get them) kb9vqf msb: These heated discussions are a good thing as it allows us to hash out what is expected, but this is not the time or the place kb9vqf The meeting is a far more appropriate time kb9vqf hence the name "Planning Meeting" :-) MutantTurkey msb: yes, bring ideas forth in a meeting! MutantTurkey Actually, Robert hasn't mentioned lately when that will be. kb9vqf The build system is still messed up pretty badly kb9vqf so it may be postponed msb The meeting will be announced in the developers' list presumably? kb9vqf Yes *kb9vqf notes that the *only* reason he went to an "older" window manager style was *not to give up functionality he relied on*, not to go to a simpler/older/uglier way of doing things kb9vqf IMHO the looks of Trinity should be improved *without losing ANY functionality already present* kb9vqf just the looks kb9vqf not the behaviour kb9vqf the behaviour is near perfect kb9vqf it gets out of the way when you are working and is still there when you need it msb If graphical elements can be specified to change their looks in response to various program statuses then you are opening up a huge new area of configurability and code to make it work. kb9vqf yes kb9vqf but think of the efficiency improvement for certain workloads kb9vqf things like that will start to set Trinity apart from other DEs kb9vqf Our emphasis could be restated as the configurable, efficient desktop kb9vqf as in any user can sit down and make it extremely efficient for his or her specific workload kb9vqf instead of the cookie-cutter M$ one-size-fits-all garbage msb ALGOL68 was totally orthogonal and had a two-level grammar that was so complex that no one was ever able to write a complete compiler for it. No one ever used that language to write any significant software. Because it was so configurable that its implementation was impractical. kb9vqf And I'm not saying to go that far kb9vqf Trinity has not yet hit a limit of that type kb9vqf it is far from it kb9vqf Complexity can be hidden msb How does implementing all this graphical configurability improve efficiency at all? kb9vqf but you have to design the software very well to make it visible when neede kb9vqf *needed kb9vqf This is where ergonomics come into play kb9vqf What may be easy to take in at a glance for me may be different for you kb9vqf I may need less prominent indicators of window position, state etc. than someone else kb9vqf I might even find them distracting or feel that they get in the way kb9vqf whereas the other person may find that less priminent indicators make it too hard to determine the current state of the windows, or that they can't click the reduced icons/buttons, etc. kb9vqf Just an example msb But in this case good ergonomics means the ability to quickly locate the window(s) of an app and their controls. Making all the window backgrounds, or labels/handles, tiger-striped or polkadotted, makes things less easy to find. kb9vqf For me and you, perhaps kb9vqf How about someone who has not so good vision? kb9vqf Or a huge monitor? kb9vqf They may way a high contrast (or custom) background kb9vqf For example, I consider the "Accessible" family of themese completely unusable msb Locating a specific window is more difficult with an artistic large-textured background. kb9vqf I think we may not be talking about the same visual element here msb What are their characteristics? kb9vqf Yes, I agree, overriding all window backgrounds would be stupid kb9vqf However custom window borders would be a nice idea msb What a lot of naive MS-Windows users want is for everything to be colorful, pretty, flexible-wibble-wobble, etc. All of that is counterproductive for ergonomics and getting real work done easily. msb Custom in what way? msb What's needed in that respect is a clear indication of which window has the focus. All my window borders are grey except those of the selected window, which are blue. (I want red, but can't set it for some reason. I used to be able to with a previous version of KDE3.5. Maybe having KDE4 stuff in there is messing it up.) msb If you want a custom color for the borders of the window of a particular app, I guess that would be easy to add in the area where particular apps can be set to, e.g., stay on top. kb9vqf the only reason I would see for rejecting a configuration option is that it will irreperably interfere with some other component of the desktop environment kb9vqf we really have not had any requests for completely stupid stuff, which is good kb9vqf we just have to keep in mind that a request is probably being made for a good reason, even though you or I may not use the requested feature by choice kb9vqf the overall philosophy remains the same: when possible, allow for as much configurability as practical kb9vqf personally, I think the theme engine needs a good overhaul kb9vqf it's not flexible enough kb9vqf I was the one that added the ability to change icon sizes in the task tray kb9vqf Some people would consider that feature stupid kb9vqf I needed it badly for a high-res monitor kb9vqf (the default icon size of 32x32 pixels ended up being microscopic) kb9vqf anyway, definitely add your topics for the next meeting kb9vqf Just so you know, there are more pressing concerns in my mind kb9vqf I would like to standardize Linux file open/save dialogs kb9vqf a big irritant for many users is the variety of poorly written dialogs that pop up, even when one DE is in use kb9vqf Linux is currently running into too many of these little problems that, taken alone, are no big deal kb9vqf but take them all together and you have a mess kb9vqf rejecting feature requests is the last thing on my mind :) kb9vqf msb: Maybe you should talk with our resident UI design expert on the trinity-devel mailing list kb9vqf Kate Draven kb9vqf She has done a lot of studies on who uses what how on Linux kb9vqf so she may be able to help iron some of this out kb9vqf A healthy discussion on the mailing list would be a good idea msb kb9vqf: Thanx! kb9vqf np :) kb9vqf I should have suggested that earlier *kb9vqf forgets important things now and then msb I looked at the XFCE website. It may have multiple desktops (workspaces), but they don't mention or show the switcher applet. kb9vqf it may not have one kb9vqf you may have to use xpager (not sure if that's the right name) kb9vqf XFCE is waaayyy too limited for my tastes :) msb I hacked the KDE4 desktop-pager to make the names readable about 2 years ago, so was using kde4. But the latest version insists on Phonon, which does not work on my fairly recent ASUS mobo. msb So I'm back to KDE 3.5.10. kb9vqf got the patch for KDE4? kb9vqf I (or someone else) can backport it msb For the readable pager? kb9vqf yep\ kb9vqf just post it to a feature request bug report kb9vqf we'll probably need to make some changes, mainly to add a configuration option to enable/disable the new readout, but at least it can be looked at msb It's not a patch, just recoded the applet with fixed font size and FG/BG color, and no window outlines. kb9vqf Ah kb9vqf So really we should just have a tips and tricks section somewhere on the Wiki kb9vqf if someone wants to improve the legibility of the pager, then follow the (simple) instructions there ) kb9vqf (I assume it's simple to make those changes through the pager configuration dialog) *kb9vqf is doing several things at once ATM msb The KDE3 pager is already legible. It's fine. This fix was for KDE4. kb9vqf ah, OK kb9vqf I misunderstood kb9vqf sorry msb np msb I'm using kde3.5.10 with its pager now. Works great. kb9vqf glad to hear it :) kb9vqf If something is making Trinity unusable for you please let us know what it is... kb9vqf we can't fix what we are not aware of :) msb I'd like to be able to set all the window margins blue, but the selected one bright green or red. But the best I can get is all of them gray except the selected one blue. kb9vqf So the configuration option is not "sticking"?> msb Also I much prefer the pushpin gidget for the window being on all desktops or just one. But the best I can get is the circle whose inside either is or is not the same color as the outside. kb9vqf Can you file bug reports for those two items on http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net kb9vqf ? msb Yes. I set it but it doesn't work. kb9vqf Also, it might be fixed in SVN at this time, but the trouble is that we cannot compile a complete set of packages against newer systems from SVN at this time kb9vqf Rest assured we are working hard to fix the build issues ;-) msb There may be a problem with the KDE4 window manager or its config data interfering with the KDE3 WM config. So if no-one else is having the problem, I shouldn't file a bug report. Also, my installation of kde3.5.10 is from Suse, not Trinity, so the code may be different. kb9vqf Ah, so you haven't used Trinity then kb9vqf That might explain it kb9vqf We're on 3.5.12 already msb Not as such. msb I guess I'd have to compile it from source. kb9vqf Probably due to the missing RPMs, right kb9vqf ? msb Right -- no rpms for suse. kb9vqf Sorry about that *Xu_R hides... kb9vqf I'm not familiar with the RPM system so I can't fix it myself kb9vqf Xu_R: Shame on you :) Xu_R >_> msb Frankly, now that I have my system finally working -- it took me about 3 weeks -- I don't want to risk making any changes that might F it up. kb9vqf Sure kb9vqf That's quite understandable kb9vqf We'll be here for later on :) Xu_R KDE:KDE3 is still getting regular bugfixes and is still supported with novell, so... I still have some leeway when I start Trinity for SuSE :D msb Great! And I hope that you can get Carrie-Anne Moss involved somehow! kb9vqf Xu_R: Care to pull those bugfixes and make sure they are posted to the mailing list? kb9vqf They should be incorporated in Trinity SVN if possible Xu_R kb9vqf: sure... I'll look for any recent commits. kb9vqf ok, thanks Xu_R AFAIK the only recent ones have been gcc46 fixes kb9vqf Ah Xu_R which can be easily found in any affected packages by the name of "gcc46.diff" kb9vqf Well, I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it kb9vqf As in, after it builds completely under gcc4.5 :) Xu_R xD kb9vqf Xu_R: Not sure if you saw this, but I got some packages to work with the latest Autotools kb9vqf They are on the bottom of Etherpad #25 kb9vqf So the CMake port is no longer stalling out my TQt4 conversion work MutantTurkey kb9vqf: how did you manage that? MutantTurkey is it worth abandoning the cmake effort? MutantTurkey and I see that koffice is at the bottom of that stack, for Absolute lowest priority, should we move to drop it completely? Xu_R kb9vqf: saw :D kb9vqf No, CMake is still needed kb9vqf only some packages are building with Autotools kb9vqf but the packages that build with Autotools obviously do not need to be ported to CMake ;-) kb9vqf and yes, I would move to drop koffice, unless it builds with Autotools kb9vqf that's a topic for the next meeting though kb9vqf Xu_R: Please let MutantTurkey know this stuff when he comes back on :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Xu_R ok Xu_R kb9vqf: hm, while we're waiting on cmake, it might be good to run through the suse patches, and see if we missed anything :) kb9vqf go right ahead :) kb9vqf I've got more Autotools checking and fixing to do Xu_R okees... i'll start having more time soon ^_^ *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *menace has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *xto has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *menace has left #trinity-desktop Strangelv So we're getting patches from downstream from SuSe? *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf will be back Monday or so...have some business to deal with over the weekend kb9vqf home improvement and such :) *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R_ Strangelv: probably - because they still maintain the kde3 repository. *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has left #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *michaelmartin007 has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Aardwolf has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen hi people Borg^Queen I have a service menu that appears outside of the action menu, called Compare Later, its not in the usual kservicemen dir. Where else would I find service menus *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey all MutantTurkey Xu_R: yo buddy Borg^Queen hio MutantTurkey got my own VPS with 300gb/bandwidth a month MutantTurkey I don't know if that would be enough to host a server for trinity though. Borg^Queen That's a decent bandwidth, but I guess it would depend on the function of the server and how often its hit Borg^Queen and with that, GN to all *Borg^Queen has left #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *menace has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop menace is there any shortcut for creating tabs of consoles in the konsole program? menace as in keyboard shortcuts? menace ah, seems to be a construction site *menace has left #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man__ has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *raevyn has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn hello.. is this where someone goes to get help making trinity work in ubuntu? *raevyn has left #trinity-desktop *raevyns-requiem has joined #trinity-desktop raevyns-requiem hello? *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop Z_God is it possible to add installation instructions for natty? Z_God it works fine icw two extra maverick repositories, but I think it would be useful to have that on the site *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop zcram ahoy. *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop msb zcram: Shiver me timbers! msb I'm here. I use kde3, but not from Trinity. *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-25T05:25:16Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-05-25T17:02:55Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Xu_R|School has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *KsenZ has joined #trinity-desktop KsenZ Hi all! *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-11T02:39:57Z">+o tbottu </mode> Xu_R next steps for that emergency meeting email: Xu_R "Please refer to the June Meeting + Etherpad for more information on next steps, including: Xu_R - Getting 3.5.13 out the door! Xu_R - Getting 3.5.13 out the door! Xu_R - Getting 3.5.13 out the door!" kb9vqf Yes *kb9vqf is working on that kb9vqf If you didn't notice there were several Automake fixes that went in recently kb9vqf actually there are still more on my laptop kb9vqf 3.5.13 will be a hybrid release kb9vqf CMake for the core, and Automake for the rest Xu_R that's a good plan kb9vqf Actually, once I get the converted modules committed, you should do a rebuild and start working on the bugs in the bugtracker kb9vqf That is what everyone should be focussing on kb9vqf Not moving to GIT or yanking the website from me ;-) Xu_R well, the bugs.pc.net are up again... kb9vqf :) *kb9vqf knows it was inconvenient and apologizes profusely Piki kb9vqf: btw, what's the likelyhood of a tqt release for 3.5.13? would save some space on the isos, qt4 installer + qt3 de = larger iso :-) kb9vqf 0% Xu_R XD kb9vqf TQt4 is unstable Piki :-( kb9vqf 3.5.13 will build against TQt4 and TQt3, but it won't run stably kb9vqf There is a *lot* of work that went into the project just to get it to that point Xu_R kb9vqf: by the way, bugs.pearsoncomputing.net's bugzilla keeps redirecting to /bugzilla/buglist.cgi which doesn't exist... kb9vqf Once everything is converted I will resume work on TQt4 itself kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf Did it always do that? Xu_R kb9vqf: yea... Piki with bero's highly hacked rpm5 and squashfs, it shouldn't be too big an issue, just would be nice if we could fit more on kb9vqf Xu_R: Bug me about it tomorrow or the day after :) *kb9vqf needs to go; will be back later tonight or tomorrow Xu_R kb9vqf: get some sleep! Xu_R :) kb9vqf :) kb9vqf I'll try to commit the code I have ASAP as well Piki sleeeeeeeeeep! glorious sleeeeeeeep! Piki :-D kb9vqf Thanks to all for their patience while I sorted out the problems kb9vqf We can get OpenSUSE's interest at a better time in the near future IMHO *Piki needs to lay off the caffeine :-) Xu_R yes, and we will have much more support then :) Xu_R after 3.5.13 - start to lure in SuSE LOL Xu_R later kb9vqf Piki kb9vqf: we have confidence in you :-) don't worry, we'll let you remain leader as long as you continue the great work Xu_R ... Piki don't mind me, the day's stresses are finally starting to affect me :-) (blasted walmart... >:-( ) *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: dude I have seriously had no motivation in life since you disappeared MutantTurkey are you well? Piki MutantTurkey: i think he's already left Piki he said he might be on later or tomorrow MutantTurkey ah :[ MutantTurkey anyway what's the news now? Piki he wants to keep the site on his servers, but he doesn't mind backups of the main site MutantTurkey are we going forward with any plans MutantTurkey thats dumb. MutantTurkey because my server is in the cloud = therefore has absolutely 0 downtime. Piki anything dynamic he's keeping to himself because it has sensitive data MutantTurkey we have had like 3 outages since I join the projects, and two were major MutantTurkey so I dunno. Piki he doesn't mind moving svn off of kde, but he wants to keep it to svn because he doesn't have much time to learn git MutantTurkey ouch MutantTurkey I again disagree. MutantTurkey svn is dead. MutantTurkey everyone uses GIT :) Piki not everyone MutantTurkey most people I have seen use git. Piki it is decline quite a bit, but not dead Xu_R MutantTurkey: actually, I see his logic. let's get 3.5.13 out, then move to GIT. Xu_R because he's been committting MutantTurkey Xu_R: well to bad I CAN'T HELP OUT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMIT ACCESS :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: I know, I know :-\ MutantTurkey at this point it is a hassle to have new devels MutantTurkey thats why git is better. Piki MutantTurkey: if we move svn to another server where tim has more control, he can give you what access you need :-) MutantTurkey Piki: yeah, but svn still sucks MutantTurkey anyway private servers suckfor big projects Piki then, as Xu_R said, we can move to git after release MutantTurkey It's easier for new develpoers to join if we use gitorious. MutantTurkey anyhow I am glad we are moving. MutantTurkey any good commits? Xu_R new cmake stuff that kb9vqf was doing during downtime MutantTurkey nice. MutantTurkey what areas? Xu_R everything I imported into Gitorious so far? he made changes in practically all of those modules Piki oh, and tim also said we'll do cmake for the core, but autotools for the rest, he has fixes for that Xu_R and samelian just committed 23 hours ago to kdenetwork ( I did not catch that ) MutantTurkey I just saw that. MutantTurkey Piki: then what was the point of the switch? MutantTurkey and what is "core"> MutantTurkey ? MutantTurkey I mean i know that autotools broke, but what the hell, it is a crazy pile of shit. cmake is 100x cleaner MutantTurkey I digress. Piki MutantTurkey: i guess what he wants to do is get out a release to bump up interest, then finish cmake after Xu_R MutantTurkey: kde* + dependencies/ MutantTurkey Xu_R: what else is left? MutantTurkey applications? Xu_R yea.... MutantTurkey Piki: I am all for that too though MutantTurkey whats our release schedule looking like? Xu_R MutantTurkey: what did you want to start hacking on again? MutantTurkey kpdf :) Piki i've no real opinion either way, i've never had to configure source code for either, so i can't speak to which is better, but i think we should do entirely one or the other MutantTurkey Piki: cmake is better Xu_R any core module too? I know you mentioned one... Xu_R because I'm going to throw it up on gitorious MutantTurkey basically the whole auto hell system is from the 80's... Xu_R and then you can clone it and diff from it MutantTurkey and it's just a giant complicated mess. Xu_R MutantTurkey: I'm importing kpdf for your hacking pleasure. when you're done I'll just grab a diff so we can apply it. MutantTurkey yeah it is presently unclear however what I am to do with it. MutantTurkey I have to talk to tim about poppler Xu_R MutantTurkey: question, where's kpdf? in applications? because I cannot find it in svn Xu_R oh, I see it, never mind Xu_R MutantTurkey: just wondering your opinion on this: https://gitorious.org/trinityde/buildtools/blobs/master/setupdevenv MutantTurkey its in kdegraphics MutantTurkey what is buildstools? MutantTurkey create-tarball? Xu_R MutantTurkey: bash scripts I threw in, in case we actually move Trinity to GIT, to make life easier. MutantTurkey Ok. MutantTurkey I don't get this though... MutantTurkey I mean, is that assuming we never used git before? MutantTurkey because I have my own git config :) Xu_R MutantTurkey: yea - feel free to skip if you know git :) Xu_R I made that in case anyone didn't know git... MutantTurkey right :) Xu_R well, off to bed Xu_R night Xu_R i'll push kpdf first thing tmrw morning, because the SVN revision sorting is *hell*. MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey :) *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *castro has joined #trinity-desktop *Alpi has joined #trinity-desktop Alpi Hello :) *RaiNerTsuFal has joined #trinity-desktop RaiNerTsuFal Hello : RaiNerTsuFal one questions is there something wrong with the repositority trinity and trinity-builddeps? RaiNerTsuFal for debian? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki RaiNerTsuFal: just saw your question in the website's chat logs. i think i saw yesterday that the quickbuild system isn't public any more, and that provides the ppa links in the installation instructions. (can't remember exactly what was said, i don't think tbottu was logging to the site at that point, and my client seems to be malfunctioning a bit with some sutff, so i don't have any recent logs) Piki we'll need kb9vqf to confirm, and update the instructions if need be Strangelv :: was going to ask about the satus for the repositories himself Piki i'm using tokra's mirror Strangelv "Got a sources.list line? Strangelv "...and is it stable enough to put it on the web site? Strangelv "or would the bandwidth cause trouble for her? *Strangelv scrolls up to see what he missed Xu_R Strangelv: http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/ kb9vqf Piki: QuickBuild will be back up publicly in about a week--use the other mirrors in the meantime Piki whether there's enough bandwidth for the site is up to tokra, but uidaho.org would probably be fine :-) kb9vqf uidaho is the primary mirror Strangelv danke Strangelv :: finds ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing nowhere in his sources.list, but apt-get update still looks for it. He's not encountered tihs before. He only now notices something called sources.list.d *Strangelv renames teh directory Xu_R Strangelv: rename sources.list.d?! Strangelv with the mv command Xu_R Strangelv: no, you should not do that Xu_R Strangelv: sources.list.d is to sources.list as /etc/profile.d is to /etc/profile... Strangelv I've afhtually not had occasion to get fabiliar with /etc/profile Xu_R you should keep sources.list.d where it is, then. because sources.list.d contains addons to sources.list (more repositories) Strangelv "Which are getting in the way right now Xu_R Strangelv: you should probably take a look inside sources.list.d Xu_R open the trinity file Strangelv I did. Trinity and dropbox Xu_R so then open the trinity file Xu_R and then change the sources there Xu_R don't move the whole thing! (you'll lose the dropbox repo too that way) Strangelv I'm nota ctualyl using dropbox right now Xu_R your choice anyway :P Strangelv "andwhat I'm adding to access the mirror is temporary Strangelv Thank you for helping make sure it was an informed choice *Xu_R notes that whenever you update apt, sources.list.d will probably be added again... Strangelv now if i could just type in the correct form of the mirror on its own deb line Strangelv success. 8) *Strangelv : deb http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity/ubuntu/ maverick main *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Weee has joined #trinity-desktop Weee is the keyserver down? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf It is not available publically kb9vqf I am working on that problem kb9vqf *publicly Weee gotcha thanks Weee love your work on the kde enviroment btw :) Xu_R woah. I just encountered kb9vqf's awesomely depressed 404 page when I accidentally tried to use https *kb9vqf is glad someone likes it Xu_R lol, yea, that's so awesome! kb9vqf it's been that way for years *kb9vqf got the idea from a very short lived 404 page on a now defunct site Xu_R :P Strangelv :: remembers seeing something like this before Strangelv "Based on the robot whose name I can't remember from HGTTG? Strangelv Yours has more to say, though *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R_ has joined #trinity-desktop *RaiNerTsuFal has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *nferenc has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="calvino.freenode.net" time="2011-06-12T07:43:56Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-13T01:43:23Z">+o tbottu </mode> *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey o/ *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *user__ has joined #trinity-desktop user__ hi all user__ is there a mirror for the debian squeeze repository? *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R user__: mirror.its.uidaho.edu, i believe *franko has joined #trinity-desktop franko hello franko I am trying to install Trinity on my Ubuntu, but the repos doesn't seem to be reachable... franko is the server down or something? *Space_Man_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *franko has left #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi user__ Unfortunately the Debian Squeeze repository mirror in mirror.its.uidaho.edu is incomplete. To many core packages are missing. user__ Have to stay on Lenny for now. Hope the official repo is fixed someday. Being forced to switch to something as incomplete as LXDE just because it's the only usable DE remaining for Linux is something that bothers me even since KDE was discontinued. *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R user__: mind you, mirror.its.uidaho.edu is the official mirror to which others mirror from, AFAIK. Squeeze is incomplete because of the current porting we're having here... *van has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf user_: The uidaho mirror should have a complete copy of the Squeeze repository kb9vqf Which packages are you missing? *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-14T21:09:12Z">+o tbottu </mode> *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-15T06:46:58Z">+o tbottu </mode> *aitap has joined #trinity-desktop aitap Hello! Is there any information, when ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net will be available again? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-15T15:49:11Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-15T15:49:17Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf Xu_R: QuickBuild is publicly available again kb9vqf (all services are now up and running normally) *Strangelv tries to remember the meeting channel's name *kb9vqf tries as well kb9vqf #trinity-desktop-meeting Strangelv "danke kb9vqf Xu_R: You around? *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R hi there. sorry about that, I did not plan on my bot going down/me missing this >_> Xu_R kb9vqf, Strangelv: oops kb9vqf Xu_R: It's OK, please reschedule the meeting :) kb9vqf I think your reminder messages the day of are also a good thing Xu_R Yea, I should probably do that :P Xu_R do you think rescheduling to like 8/9 PM tonight is a good idea? Xu_R actually, scratch that idea, it's terrible for anyone not in the US... kb9vqf right kb9vqf another day kb9vqf !seen samelian tbottu I've never seen a 'samelian', sorry. kb9vqf we may want to see if he comes back on again as well Xu_R indeed... kb9vqf did you see the stuff I added to the meeting Etherpad? Xu_R funny, I was about to check there :P *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey sorry, just got out of class *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *s15y has joined #trinity-desktop *nferenc has joined #trinity-desktop *msb has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *RaiNerTsuFal has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="adams.freenode.net" time="2011-06-16T00:01:57Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-06-16T00:01:57Z">+i </mode> tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes tbottu I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes *tbottu was going to say 'I just saw a lot of joins happen very quickly. Because of that I set this channel's mode to be Invite Only... I'll set it -i in 5 minutes' but has said it too many times today already <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="tbottu" time="2011-06-16T00:06:58Z">-i </mode> *Strangelv is officially confused Xu_R ? Strangelv "What set off tbottu? Xu_R Strangelv: tbottu got netsplitted Xu_R so tbottu saw something happen, while the rest of us was just like ? *Strangelv sees that thte other meeting he should attend today started the meeting recorder 5 minutes early Xu_R hehe... I guess I should set up an email reminder program or something that reminds everyone Xu_R something like oS news does *Strangelv hasn't counted towards quorum for the management committee since he declined to run for reelection to the board fgor a third term Xu_R heh Xu_R Strangelv: what project? Strangelv "The Moon Society, a nonprofit aimed at promoting Lunar development Xu_R o. Strangelv It has a long and complex history that dates back to 1994 Strangelv The current treasurer has been active the entire time Strangelv way back when there was a discussion in a science fiction author's chat forum on GeNie Strangelv Can't remember if that was before or after the article he wrote for Analog Strangelv Things to be glad TDE will never have to worry about: red tape in India *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *ozan_caglayan has joined #trinity-desktop ozan_caglayan Hi, ozan_caglayan I'd like to ask about smart card login support status in trinityt *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf ozan_caglayan: It works for ACOS type cards kb9vqf improvements are planned, including tighter integration with the desktop lock module *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God_Z has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop ozan_caglayan kb9vqf: Does it need INN to work correctly? ozan_caglayan and did you modify KDM at all or does it still asks for user/password instead of only PIN kb9vqf ozan_caglayan: I don't remember OTOH, and no, kdm still allows a "normal" user/password login kb9vqf as I metioned there is still work to be done to improve it :) ozan_caglayan hm. What I need is to detect card inserts and modify KDM to only ask for a PIN just like Windows does. kb9vqf I don't have PIN support in there yet kb9vqf not in kdm that is ozan_caglayan But i don't know if i should modify the classic greeter plugin or write another one dedicated to smartcards. kb9vqf look at the modifications I made to the kdesktop_lock app kb9vqf I would modify the greeter in a similar manner kb9vqf bear in mind that I intend to specify a full interface for non-password based logins, so things may proceed in the future in a different (better) direction kb9vqf specifically I want to see a system service that handles smart card detection/authentication, and requests dialogs and popup messages to be shown on kdm or kdesktop_lock *kb9vqf will look at that as soon as he has more time ozan_caglayan kb9vqf: nice plan ozan_caglayan actually there's the standard pkcs11_eventmgr daemon which detects inserts/removals kb9vqf right kb9vqf I have hooks all into the pkcs libs :) kb9vqf that part work kb9vqf *works kb9vqf the entire system does not handle PINs yet and is generally suboptimal kb9vqf so I would like to rewrite part of it after writing the full specification *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey pals *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R well, I've updated the june etherpad page kb9vqf good kb9vqf Xu_R: How is Konqueror misbehaving for you? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: misrendering, crashing on flash... your usual suspects ;P kb9vqf Xu_R: Those are KHTML problems kb9vqf not Konqueror problems kb9vqf FYI kb9vqf Yes, KHTML needs a good thrashing and rewrite kb9vqf I would far prefer Webkit Xu_R kb9vqf: ah, OK. then I will change that. kb9vqf yes, thanks :) Xu_R hey samelian, long time no see :) samelian Xu_R: hehe, busy samelian any news? Xu_R samelian: well, site's been down for a while, but other than that, not much :) btw, you know we have a meeting tomorrow, right? Xu_R (or, today for you :P) samelian yes, I saw the message on mailinglist *kb9vqf notes the site has been back up for a while as well ;-) Xu_R kb9vqf: indeed :) kb9vqf and significant progress has been made in TQt4 porting...nearly all the kde* modules are complete samelian we will move the sources to gitorius? kb9vqf just a few to go samelian nice kb9vqf not yet kb9vqf and I don't know if that's the best place or not kb9vqf we should do some digging and comparison of alternatives samelian so far i'm happy with kde's svn kb9vqf me too, except for the lack of control over it kb9vqf i.e. we can't add devs Xu_R (kde.org's svn is also winding down, btw...) kb9vqf my experience has been that GIT is slow and irritating samelian anyone interested can ask KDE admins for access to svn kb9vqf and they will generally deny access without a track record of patches samelian aha kb9vqf I would personally like to see a fine grained access control system kb9vqf so that we can allow the artists commit access to the artwork but not the core code, etc. kb9vqf SVN can do that, I don't know about GIT Xu_R kb9vqf: I propose doing the same thing that kde.org did - kdebase is one repo with seperate permissions, kdelibs is another repo with seperate permissions... Xu_R unless you mean folders? kb9vqf folders, file types, etc. kb9vqf can someone maybe get a feature comparison together (GIT vs SVN) (Xu_R?) Xu_R sure kb9vqf I am also interested in performance kb9vqf my automated scripts pull down all the code and rebuild it every night kb9vqf so if GIT is slow I'll know it in a bad way here Xu_R I think performance is quite good.. Xu_R *... *kb9vqf is interested in all characteristics, i.e. network efficiency, CPU usage, HDD usage, and RAM usage kb9vqf basically what it takes to keep a working copy up to date kb9vqf also I'd like to see a comparison of several free long-term providers, with KDE SVN as a baseline Xu_R kb9vqf: http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/#git-is-small kb9vqf can you put it on an Etherpad? *kb9vqf doesn't have much time to look at it now, but we will need to reference it in the future Xu_R was just going to do it :P kb9vqf thanks :) *kb9vqf thanks Xu_R for his Etherpad suggestion long ago Xu_R no need for thanks, just trying to help :) kb9vqf it's a nice tool to have :) Xu_R indeed it is Xu_R kb9vqf: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/29 kb9vqf thanks *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *ozan_caglayan has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: might be late to the meeting - you can start it and track it, right? :) Xu_R (wiki.debian.org/meetbot) Xu_R ok, bbl - hopefully before 2PM - go kb9vqf, you can do it! :P Xu_R (i'll try to join via iPod) *kb9vqf notes that this day was not the best timewise for him and he may not be able to attend the meeting, or may be late *Xu_R|iPod has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|iPod has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|iPod Just stopping in briefly Xu_R|iPod Grr... Hopefully I have wifi at 2pm... *Xu_R|iPod has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|iPod Ok, hipe Xu_R|iPod *hope Xu_R|iPod To stop in briefly again >_> *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey affect: joeytwiddle: nferenc ozan_caglayan RaiNerTsuFal s15y samelian Space_Man Xu_R: meeting in #trinity-desktop-meeting, lets kick this party off! kb9vqf samelian: Meeting in #trinity-desktop-meeting *Xu_R|iPodWC has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop samelian anybody knows good imap libraries, other than UW IMAP? *kb9vqf does not know, sorry samelian currently kio_imap4 hangs after suspend/resume samelian also, hangs after down/up network Xu_R kb9vqf: sent minutes kb9vqf thanks :) samelian I think we should put kde3 architecture overwiew somewhere on wiki samelian http://paginas.fe.up.pt/~jmcruz/etc/kde/kdeqt/kde3arch/index.html samelian any volunteer? :) *Anixx-suse has joined #trinity-desktop Anixx-suse this page says the meeting should be started now http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=June+Trinity+Meeting+(raindate)&iso=20110618T14&p1=2214 Anixx-suse oh i looked in different place sorry kb9vqf It's OK kb9vqf we head the meeting earlier, minutes are on trinity-devel kb9vqf *had *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hey pal kb9vqf hello MutantTurkey I am getting the ever so annoying "Unable to build a simple Qt3 test." again kb9vqf On CMake? MutantTurkey yessir kb9vqf samelian: ^^^^^^^ kb9vqf which module? MutantTurkey tqtinterface! samelian MutantTurkey: show me CMakeError.lor kb9vqf hmmm MutantTurkey samelian: ok kb9vqf do as he says :) samelian I did not made any changes MutantTurkey I know, I have not built in some time. MutantTurkey http://ix.io/1Kh samelian MutantTurkey: I think the error log is self explanatory samelian qapplication.h is not found in /opt/qt/include/qt MutantTurkey qapplication.h no such MutantTurkey yes MutantTurkey let me look MutantTurkey everything is in /opt/qt/include/qt MutantTurkey everything is NOT in /opt/qt/include/qt, i mean MutantTurkey they are in /opt/qt/include/ samelian so, fix the path to qt passed to cmake :) MutantTurkey okay MutantTurkey thanks samelian np MutantTurkey samelian: thank you sir MutantTurkey working now ;) samelian hehe, ok MutantTurkey kb9vqf: I can't make a new wiki page, could you createo one named Monthly Meetings? kb9vqf Which web? kb9vqf I'll just grant you write access MutantTurkey Developer Web I think kb9vqf MutantTurkey: OK, you have write access MutantTurkey kb9vqf: what wiki formatting system does it use? kb9vqf FOSSWiki MutantTurkey ok *samelian hates KIO::AuthInfo, seems that is smarter than me :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: also we need to keep the meeting minutes somewhere locally... kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Yes kb9vqf Xu_R was supposed to handle that MutantTurkey kb9vqf: I mean he has them available. but not on trinity's website. kb9vqf Right, he was supposed to upload them to the Wiki MutantTurkey Oh? like each one being a seperate page? MutantTurkey Xu_R: are you planning on doing that? kb9vqf AFAIK that was what he was supposed to do kb9vqf If he doesn't have time then feel free to do it yourself ;) MutantTurkey That would be OK, I mean it would be easier to just host it as html documents MutantTurkey but I can convert them over to the wiki. MutantTurkey but again, the logs need to go somewhere also. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/MonthlyMeetings kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Just attach the logs to that page MutantTurkey yep thats the idea kb9vqf that will provide a copy in two places kb9vqf Xu_R's site and the main TrinityDesktop site MutantTurkey confused, do you want me to copy the minutes to individual wiki pages? Xu_R kb9vqf: wait, I am supposed to do that? kb9vqf MutantTurkey: No, I meant attach them all to the MonthlyMeetings page kb9vqf Xu_R: Yes :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: you can attach html files? kb9vqf Yes MutantTurkey oh that is easy then kb9vqf you can attach any file type MutantTurkey I will do it all thne MutantTurkey Xu_R: don't worry. Xu_R MutantTurkey: k, thanks Xu_R it's been hectic here... MutantTurkey computer = mad slow = compiling kdelibs LOL Xu_R i'm leaving for beijing, china thursday Xu_R and I have no idea how to get past the great firewall of china... MutantTurkey holy crap MutantTurkey there is no firewall in beijing i thought Xu_R MutantTurkey: great firewall of china = censorship kb9vqf TDE is blocked by China? MutantTurkey I know Xu_R kb9vqf: freenode is MutantTurkey I meant I thought beijing actually didn't get blocked kb9vqf Hmmm kb9vqf When will you be back? Xu_R mid july, when I announce the July Trinity Meeting Xu_R I need to figure out a VPN or something... MutantTurkey Xu_R: I could set you up an account on my vps MutantTurkey you can then use irssi on it MutantTurkey would that be ok? Xu_R MutantTurkey: that would be great Xu_R as long as I can VPN through it, that should work. MutantTurkey what is VPN? MutantTurkey how do i set that up? Xu_R MutantTurkey: virtual private network MutantTurkey Xu_R: what does mean though, do i need to do anything? install software? *kb9vqf suggests you take this particular discussion off the #trinity-desktop channel ;-) Xu_R kb9vqf: good idea, i'll pm MutantTurkey MutantTurkey :) MutantTurkey I DON 'T KNOW YOU Xu_R OR WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Xu_R "{ Xu_R *:P MutantTurkey just email me okay? Xu_R MutantTurkey: ok, i'll email you instructions/etc MutantTurkey 72% built wooohoo! MutantTurkey holy crap 100F :X kb9vqf :) Xu_R 100% or 100F? MutantTurkey 100F and 86% done Xu_R D: MutantTurkey 40C is crazy hot for my desktop, it usually idles around like 20C Xu_R D: MutantTurkey well, it's been working at 100% for like almost an hour MutantTurkey so. yeah Xu_R damn MutantTurkey load average: 4.99 haha Xu_R o.o kb9vqf kdelibs? MutantTurkey yeah just finished MutantTurkey well gotta compress the package... damn MutantTurkey pacman (arch's package manager) still only utilizes a single core for compression and decompression kb9vqf ick kb9vqf kdebase is just about as nasty BTW MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey truthfully the only problem i was having before was that kdesktop crash... not still around i hope? *kb9vqf notes that this should give some appreciation for the size of the QuickBuild cluster here kb9vqf MutantTurkey: I believe it is fixed kb9vqf if not please yell and scream at me MutantTurkey haha I hope i won't have too MutantTurkey It was quite annoying, not because I ever use my desktop, but because I use alt+f2 like constantly *kb9vqf hopes we are talking about the same crash kb9vqf At any rate the fix would be in kdebase MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey today is unfortunately my only free day of the week :[ MutantTurkey I have sunday: school homework and such, monday, from 10am - 10pm then tuesday, work 12-9pm, wednesday: is monday, thursday: work 12-8pm friday: work 6am-2pm then hangout with girlfriend at 6pm. MutantTurkey too damn busy, and I just landed another job working at drexel msb MutantTurkey: Drexel in Philadelphia? My daddy used to teach there. msb Does anyone know of a document that explains the various Linux sound systems? msb Other than that godawful diagram? msb Which according to that, it looks like ALSA by itself is all you need. msb <nothing but a faint sound of crickets in the night> MutantTurkey msb: yes. MutantTurkey msb: alsa is all you need, and drexel in philly MutantTurkey kb9vqf: almost done! http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/MonthlyMeetings MutantTurkey Xu_R: can you send me the files from this month? the html of the log and meeting minutes? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: error building kdebase D: kb9vqf error? MutantTurkey hang on MutantTurkey cmake error MutantTurkey let me study it a bit kb9vqf you scared samelian away :) MutantTurkey hahah MutantTurkey cloning kdebase D: MutantTurkey kb9vqf: basically it can't find dbus-tqt kb9vqf you built dbus-tqt from SVN? MutantTurkey hmmm apparently not :p MutantTurkey it isn't trinity-dbus-1-qt3? kb9vqf there is another one with an almost identical name kb9vqf build and install it too MutantTurkey gotta write the package build then MutantTurkey I hope baho has it! *Baho has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: quickie question MutantTurkey how do i clone our svn repo? kb9vqf I don't know about cloning, but you can check out a copy with MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf you mean kde.org or trinitydesktop.org? MutantTurkey trinity kb9vqf svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main --username=<your svn username> . MutantTurkey can the public copy it? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main ; kb9vqf svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity/main . MutantTurkey thanks! MutantTurkey pkgbuild done! kb9vqf np MutantTurkey herm it gave me an error MutantTurkey well kdebase did kb9vqf what error? MutantTurkey dbus-tqt is required but not found! MutantTurkey i'll figure it out later, girlfriends coming over kb9vqf ok Xu_R MutantTurkey: just wait for it to sync to the mirror... MutantTurkey Xu_R: okay... *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R updated roadmap Xu_R created this: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/30 Xu_R kb9vqf, samelian: ^^ *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey hey guys, got that wiki page done fully. MutantTurkey Xu_R: great idea about the meeting follow up! MutantTurkey (etherpad that is) MutantTurkey samelian: around? need building help Xu_R MutantTurkey: ty - I realized we weren't keeping track of stuff :P Xu_R and I thought about the Git Migration... MutantTurkey yes? *Xu_R was pondering since one of his favorite software projects chose Github over Gitorious, with a number of good reasons MutantTurkey well which would you prefer MutantTurkey I would actually go with Self hosted.. Xu_R hmm... Xu_R It should be easy to do self-hosted. We'll just need to annoy kb9vqf to set up a cgit user interface, repositories, etc... :P *Xu_R is not saying that's a bad thing MutantTurkey he says he's okay with that. MutantTurkey but he said he thought we should try alot of options out, whats the best format etc. MutantTurkey do you think one repo for kdebase, kdelibs, etc? MutantTurkey and then groups of repos (you can do that in cgit i think) Xu_R yea Xu_R let's go one repo per module Xu_R I don't mind self-hosted, so... Xu_R let's go three directory structures - core/<modules like kdebase>, applications/*, and i18n/* to simplify the structure setup... Xu_R and then we can just get cgit to show everything. *kb9vqf updates http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/29 with a question... Xu_R kb9vqf: the questiong being...? kb9vqf I would like to see this addressed: kb9vqf http://gnuu.org/2008/02/22/your-scm-may-be-decentralized-but-your-project-isnt/ kb9vqf It may factor into which VCS is actually superior Xu_R aka you don't know how great git's merging functionality is? kb9vqf no, I just don't know if it is the best thing for the project to have a trillion private copies that we may or may not know even exist Xu_R ah. kb9vqf *possibly modified private copies kb9vqf mini-forks if you will MutantTurkey kb9vqf: thats actually ice MutantTurkey because someone can work on their own, then you can pull it in. kb9vqf and when one of these mini-forks gets treated as upstream by someone unfamiliar with the project? MutantTurkey hmmm I doubt that would happen (honestly) kb9vqf ok *kb9vqf is playing "devils advocate" here Xu_R unlikely indeed Xu_R lol MutantTurkey I understand Xu_R but it's definitely a valid concern... MutantTurkey everything in git is local MutantTurkey meaning, all old commits, all data related to the project is literally "cloned' kb9vqf I know MutantTurkey wayyy faster access to all of that. kb9vqf which makes it much easier to fork a project for some tiny little nit MutantTurkey Also! it is decentralized kb9vqf Technically it is interesting MutantTurkey so if you go down, I can keep commiting, MutantTurkey even pull in Xu_R's changes and so on and so forth MutantTurkey because they all operate independently kb9vqf my main concern is fragmentation MutantTurkey I don't think that is an issue. kb9vqf we will have to have a very strict rule as to who has true "master" copy MutantTurkey well your server does Xu_R kb9vqf: you have the master copy, hands down MutantTurkey that's the point. Xu_R your server always has the master copy. MutantTurkey the "master" is the one on your website with the cgit MutantTurkey that's the idea. MutantTurkey and everyone pushes to it. MutantTurkey BUT if you went down, i could keep commiting MutantTurkey also... branching is 1000x better kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey ALSO great for you, MutantTurkey you like to do huge commits... right? kb9vqf that may need to be written on the VCS web page for distros/etc. to know :) MutantTurkey i mean you typically push all at once kb9vqf and yes I do :) MutantTurkey i know which is cool, it works for you. MutantTurkey git has it basically, you you can add files to seperate commits, then push them all MutantTurkey at once, that way it's easy to review and find bugs *kb9vqf doesn't think he would actually use that feature, as most of the work for separate commits is tagging them with commit comments kb9vqf although it would be nice to have available MutantTurkey well I use it alot :P kb9vqf hey, whatever works for you :) MutantTurkey I mean, it's not a complicated feature MutantTurkey it's like MutantTurkey git add sourcefile.c MutantTurkey git commit -m "added a comment to sourcefile.c" *kb9vqf knows MutantTurkey okay :) MutantTurkey just sayin' kb9vqf the primary reason for my concern about fragmentation is that we are a desktop environment kb9vqf i.e. assumed secure kb9vqf when you get untrusted mini-forks online there is the *potential* for security holes kb9vqf both malicious and unintentional MutantTurkey I asked on archlinux, all gitters MutantTurkey "f you want people to use your sh*t and contribute you'll have way better luck with git" kb9vqf we should mention promintently where upstream is on the build pages, that's all :) kb9vqf *prominently MutantTurkey "you can commit without pushing" MutantTurkey "local repos, hands down" *kb9vqf is not going to buck the trend here MutantTurkey kb9vqf: but the thing is, the only repo anyone will see is the one with the web frontend. ya know? kb9vqf I just want it done right and for as many possible problems to be handled *before* they occur kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey obviously MutantTurkey how large is this project? like source wise? kb9vqf huge MutantTurkey 5+ gigs? kb9vqf I think someone said 3+GB *kb9vqf has not checked recently kb9vqf easily hundreds of thousands of source files though ;-) MutantTurkey yes. MutantTurkey and another cited reason, git performs much faster than svn kb9vqf well that I would like kb9vqf how about RAM usage? kb9vqf during pulls/updates Xu_R i haven't had issues with RAM, so I doubt it uses very much kb9vqf i.e. will it barf on a system with low free RAM or does it mainly work from disk? kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey I have 2gigs of ram and i've been fine Xu_R it works for me on a 512 MB fedora 15 system with GNOME shell, so it's lightweight XD kb9vqf well, it looks like most of the potential problems can be handled with documentation, so I say go ahead kb9vqf after 3.5.13 of course ;-) kb9vqf we'll disallow commits to the main SVN repository immediately after 3.5.13 Xu_R :) kb9vqf and move over as quickly as possible MutantTurkey also! git has groups! kb9vqf SVN did too MutantTurkey so we can make a applications group, and core, group MutantTurkey oh cool, didn't know that. kb9vqf that means the infrastructure should be in place before 3.5.13 is released Xu_R MutantTurkey: I think we've convinced him :P MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yes. MutantTurkey Xu_R: I have more though! Xu_R ._. Xu_R XD kb9vqf I assume local hosting? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hrm? kb9vqf Where is the main repository going to be hosted? kb9vqf or are you still doscussing that? MutantTurkey oh so for example, we are deprecating koffice... that means that we could just stick in in the deprecated group, and be done with it. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: i thought we settled on you? kb9vqf ok Xu_R kb9vqf: we settled on you kb9vqf that's what I was verifying :) kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Can you act as a full backup (mirror) of the main repo on your VPS? *kb9vqf wants location redundancy with something as important as the main source repository MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yes. MutantTurkey how often do you want me to sync? Xu_R hmm... kb9vqf: I think the best way to do this is to create a seperate user for git. Xu_R then we'll just ssh through to git Xu_R (aka, we give you our public keys) kb9vqf sure, makes sense kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Ideally every few minutes kb9vqf can GIT handle that? kb9vqf i.e. how much bandwidth does it use just to say "there are no changes"? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: every few minutes? MutantTurkey I am sure almost none. Xu_R kb9vqf: can we do post-commit hooks then? kb9vqf good idea kb9vqf that would be much better kb9vqf can GIT do that? Xu_R after every commit, it sends a hook to MutantTurkey's VPS Xu_R yes, it can kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey good thinking kb9vqf One other benefit is...I can send commit notices to the mailing list or this channel :) Xu_R :D Xu_R trinity-commit list :P MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay for libreoffice, I was thinking about hacking onto it... what "integration" do we want?" MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yes. MutantTurkey man githooks Xu_R MutantTurkey: just modify the kde3 integration and make it use TQT libraries, that actually should be it for now... kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf That is exactly what I was thinking kb9vqf (for both the list and LibreOffice) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: okay, they actually dropped their kde3 intergration... kb9vqf well, copy it, rename it to tde integration,.... MutantTurkey okay, does that mean we have to rebuild completely? or does LO have plugin systems for the integration? Xu_R MutantTurkey: really? last I checked, they still had it. And AFAICT, they still do... MutantTurkey really? MutantTurkey are you on 3.4? Xu_R Libreoffice repos on openSUSE is on 3.4 - it still works for me... kb9vqf Every time I had to change the plugin I had to rebuild the entire #$!@ openoffice suite Xu_R i think it's a configure parameter you need to pass... kb9vqf I may have been doing it wrong though :) MutantTurkey Xu_R: okay, i wasn't sure Xu_R kb9vqf: lol kb9vqf If you can figure out a way to build just the plugin against an existing OpenOffice/LibreOffice installation that would be GREAT MutantTurkey ok kb9vqf ooo took a good half day to build on my systems (which says something!) kb9vqf i.e. a couple days for you guys :-P Xu_R it takes a day on build.o.o MutantTurkey i.e. a month on an atom Xu_R so yea, it's definitely a long time kb9vqf can you build the plugins separately? kb9vqf maybe you want to ask around at ooo? Xu_R I don't think so... Xu_R especially desktop integration, probably little to no chance kb9vqf it is just a plugin...I have worked on it some and actually (other than build system deficiencies) there is no technical reason why it shouldn't build separately Xu_R true. kb9vqf basically ooo exports everything needed to customize its interface kb9vqf the desktop integration does not modify core files MutantTurkey I asked in #libreoffice Xu_R MutantTurkey: and? MutantTurkey waiting... Xu_R bbl MutantTurkey kb9vqf: did you see ilya's ML post just now? kb9vqf hmmm kb9vqf we can reconsider I suppose *Xu_R wonders if she has a good alternative kb9vqf and a response has been sent. MutantTurkey also me kb9vqf ok kb9vqf we'll see what Ilya has to say :) MutantTurkey yours was a bit smoother :p Xu_R xD MutantTurkey I think this is a place to make a stand though, maintaining an desktop suite, on top of a DE is crazy thought Xu_R I just try to stay out of stuff like than unless I can think of a good argument :P kb9vqf koffice can sit there, but I won't work on it beyond fixing compilation issues MutantTurkey kb9vqf: ask ilya to maintain kb9vqf honestly ilya is acting like a troll kb9vqf I have asked before, but he/she never does anything kb9vqf he/she is on our list only to plug OpenSUSE and their outdated KDE3::KDE3 repository MutantTurkey yeah :[ kb9vqf from what I can tell his repository values quantity over quality *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey how owns the OpenSuse repos? kb9vqf I think anixx-suse (who I have no problem with whatsoever and do respect) actually owns the KDE3::KDE3 repository kb9vqf or has the biggest hand in its maintinence MutantTurkey okay. MutantTurkey have they actually closed a number of bugs or anything significant we can use? that is the only use i see for thme kb9vqf yes they have kb9vqf however, ilya is more than content to sit on a set of software that is slowly growing more irrelevant and useless kb9vqf that *will* cause KDE3 to die kb9vqf whereas TDE is attempting to modernize and keep TDE relevant with modern technology and file types kb9vqf two different philosophies I guess kb9vqf we are willing to entertain the possibility of breakage to add features kb9vqf Ilya wants everything static, with the only changes being to make sure the software compiles MutantTurkey I am all for keeping it moving MutantTurkey i want trinity to be as if KDE4 never happened, a continuation of 3.5 MutantTurkey not the stagnatation of it. kb9vqf exactly kb9vqf Ilya wants a huge amount of stagnant packages kb9vqf different goals kb9vqf he/she can grate at times, but he/she also offers an opportunity to express the difference between the philosophies MutantTurkey kb9vqf: get in #libreoffice-dev plz kb9vqf ok... MutantTurkey thanks MutantTurkey kb9vqf: this is excellent news! kb9vqf yes! MutantTurkey :D Xu_R back, did I miss something? MutantTurkey yes! *Xu_R looks up to see MutantTurkey we talked to libreoffice devels and they explained about stuff MutantTurkey well /are explaining/ Xu_R MutantTurkey: and? MutantTurkey and it looks good Xu_R they kept kde3 stuff in there, right? kb9vqf if not it's no big deal kb9vqf I have worked with it before Xu_R awesome!\ Xu_R now what else did I miss... kb9vqf it sounds like they significantly enhanced the build system MutantTurkey log thattt. kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Can you copy/paste that exchange to an Etherpad? Xu_R throw it up on etherpad, so that we have record of it :) MutantTurkey kb9vqf: yes Xu_R (on the june meeting progress that I put up) kb9vqf thanks *affect has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R oh... um... kb9vqf Xu_R i'm reading up kb9vqf ? Xu_R Ilya = Anixx-suse kb9vqf uh oh kb9vqf well, I have no idea then Xu_R ...yea... kb9vqf I have read his posts on forums and he seemed OK kb9vqf why is he so antagonistic on our mailing list?? Xu_R I don't know... MutantTurkey http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/31 MutantTurkey kb9vqf: holy crap what! Xu_R exactly why I'm a bit worried. MutantTurkey kb9vqf: dude... he literally went on a whole spiel about how many packages they had... Xu_R MutantTurkey: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/30 I updated the depreciate koffice item with a link to the libreoffice conv Xu_R *convo Space_Man if Ilya is willing to keep koffice alive and compiling then why not keep it kb9vqf ok, I cancelled deprecation and sent a reply kb9vqf He did have one valid point at the beginning kb9vqf This will push our release back a month or so Space_Man are there any stats for koffice installs? MutantTurkey kb9vqf: what? Xu_R ah, damn Xu_R I see his point MutantTurkey should I not reply? i just rebutted his arguments Xu_R it's really not a great one though. Xu_R feel free to have arguments on the subject... kb9vqf No, there are no stats kb9vqf MutantTurkey: Don't reply please kb9vqf That first argument cannot be rebutted kb9vqf there is no direct replacement for krita MutantTurkey all f the rest can. Xu_R aye... >_> MutantTurkey then we keep krita? Xu_R If Ilya insists on keeping this, we better figure out a way to get Calligra working with TQt Xu_R because we can't maintain this all on our own MutantTurkey Xu_R: I thought Calligra dropped krita? Xu_R MutantTurkey: no, calligra has krita still I think... lemme double check Space_Man does krita need the rest of koffice? kb9vqf yes kb9vqf unfortunately there are core libraries MutantTurkey well crap kb9vqf yeah MutantTurkey what a fogie. Xu_R MutantTurkey: wait, I think krita split from calligra Xu_R you might be right MutantTurkey Xu_R: excellent Xu_R wait Xu_R scratch that again Xu_R it's part of calligra Xu_R full explaination here http://krita.org/download-krita Xu_R and more http://krita.org/frequently-asked-questions so we're going to have to stick with koffice/calligra D: kb9vqf we're stuck with koffice unfortunately MutantTurkey because of krita? Xu_R yup MutantTurkey Ilya is just trolling us now Xu_R MutantTurkey: yea... >_> Xu_R I hope TQt4 comes quickly then, so we can just start pointing to calligra... kb9vqf It won't kb9vqf koffice is huge kb9vqf Expect TQt4 sometime in 2012/2013 Xu_R kb9vqf: can we just release it without TQT4 then? Because it'd be easier to say "you can use the Qt4 calligra suite" kb9vqf No kb9vqf Full port Xu_R oh, good lord. kb9vqf I want the backend ABI STABLE kb9vqf otherwise we will chew through minor version numbers like water kb9vqf OR kb9vqf be unacceptable to Debian kb9vqf and other distros by breaking versioning policy kb9vqf we're stuck really kb9vqf then again, I have seen no activity on the bugtracker to fix bugs, so TQt4 may not be the blocker... kb9vqf ;-) Xu_R that single comment throws back the roadmap... >_> kb9vqf Well, that is why I only suggested the deprecation in the meeting kb9vqf I figured there would be some reason why we have to keep koffice MutantTurkey kb9vqf: well you raised a good point. kb9vqf ? MutantTurkey the port to tqt4 for koffice Xu_R kb9vqf: is it possible we can establish some communication with calligra on this? they might be able to help porting to TQt4 - they know the functions best too, probably... *Xu_R is just trying to find a way to speed up this porting process... kb9vqf not really kb9vqf calligra is a full Qt4 port kb9vqf meaning they lost functionality Xu_R damn Xu_R brb MutantTurkey so is there a point in keeping 3.5 version of koffice? MutantTurkey just tested my server 14/Mbs steady 32Mb/s peak kb9vqf yes, there is a point MutantTurkey which is? kb9vqf tde integration and functionality kb9vqf I'm not happy either kb9vqf koffice will be the LAST thing that I port kb9vqf but such is life MutantTurkey can we get the same integration with libre? Space_Man koffice appears to have more apps compared to libre Space_Man but what does integration really mean? kb9vqf integration means that the UI elements are similar/identical, that the general methods of using the program should not differ from the general methods of using other programs in the desktop suite, that file open/save dialogs should be uniform, etc. MutantTurkey right. Xu_R kb9vqf: question, do we need a qt4-tqt library, almost like what qt-gtk integration is like? Xu_R for all those apps that don't use tqt kb9vqf we can't do that kb9vqf The entire reason for the move to TQt is to avoid duplication of Qt specific symbols kb9vqf The fact that Qt3 and Qt4 use the same namespace and the same symbols means that they cannot be combined in any single application.. Period/. MutantTurkey damn. Xu_R OK, so Qt4 applications can run alongside TQt with no theming/etc issues? MutantTurkey alright, i gotta split. kb9vqf yes MutantTurkey good progress today. kb9vqf yes I think so kb9vqf let me handle Ilya MutantTurkey good luck kb9vqf one has to handle a borderline troll carefully :) MutantTurkey indeed. MutantTurkey farewell friends. I shall return later. Xu_R later MutantTurkey Xu_R kb9vqf: lol kb9vqf ? Xu_R borderline troll Xu_R good description :P kb9vqf :) *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ kb9vqf: couldn't resist Xu_R .-. Xu_R btw Xu_R when I wanted to start a Trinity repo on build.o.o Xu_R (s)he didn't want to keep it in KDE3, but somewhere else (eg. KDE:Trinity) MutantTurkey_ whatever. Xu_R lol Xu_R i agree though... MutantTurkey_ at this point its just annoying me kb9vqf ....and I finally succumbed. There will be no more discussion on that topic. kb9vqf Ilya's arrogance and unsubstantiated claims are something that we do not need here Xu_R sigh Xu_R i agree. MutantTurkey_ the best thing to do is to respone clearly, and with intent. then drop it completely. MutantTurkey_ kb9vqf: sigh *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ kb9vqf: for bug 350, (permissions bug) would the fix be just chmoding everything to the correct permission? tbottu Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=350 maj, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Source tarball permissions are goofy *Xu_R|iPod has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey_ Xu_R|iPod: did you pick this months bugs? Xu_R yes, I did. I'll add more if I need to... Xu_R sorry about that nick change, just testing ZNC so that I can stay connected even in china :) Xu_R I found out my cousin is bringing a VPN from her university, so I don't need to worry about connectivity MutantTurkey_ okay cool MutantTurkey_ add some more easy ones :) Xu_R lol Xu_R i'll look Xu_R i'm taking from here btw http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&order=Importance&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=3.5.12%20%5BTrinity%5D&version=3.5.13%20%5BTrinity%5D&product=TDE%203.5 Xu_R MutantTurkey_: got any to suggest? :) Xu_R I'm open to any suggestions :P MutantTurkey_ this is an enhancement but maybe i could do it MutantTurkey_ http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=251 tbottu Bug 251 maj, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Kicker/panel has no configuration option to stop scrolling among apps Xu_R ok Xu_R I will add that to the list then - just keep suggesting :) MutantTurkey_ also! MutantTurkey_ we need to move all bugs related to distro's to a different category MutantTurkey_ those are distro bugs, not trinity bugs. MutantTurkey_ already talked to tim about. Xu_R that's tim's job, because he needs to setup categories :P Xu_R ok MutantTurkey_ put it on there! MutantTurkey_ or else we won't remember MutantTurkey_ if he sets it up, i can sort through it probably Xu_R ok. MutantTurkey_ its alot of them Xu_R yea, noticed that as well. MutantTurkey_ also we need to sweep through bugs MutantTurkey_ and make sure that 1) they are still bugs (havent been fixed) 2) are still relevant (maybe older versions are broken but new ones fixed) 3) aren't distro bugs MutantTurkey_ add that to the list haha Xu_R lol Xu_R kk MutantTurkey_ thanks Xu_R np MutantTurkey_ Xu_R: I wrote it up nicely MutantTurkey_ we should shoot for a bug day this week and just crack down on bugs, not fixing, but cleaning up the tracker Xu_R nice Xu_R I'm leaving for china on thursday, and I got some last minute stuff to take care of. I'll try to be present. MutantTurkey_ i don't know its fine MutantTurkey_ was just an idea MutantTurkey_ probably to busy anyway haha Xu_R lol MutantTurkey_ also robert MutantTurkey_ you know bugs.trinitydesktop.org works... Xu_R did not know that lol MutantTurkey_ :) Xu_R oh, he still didn't fix the search function >_> MutantTurkey_ yeah... Xu_R well, off to bed. night! MutantTurkey_ night all *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *ozan_caglayan has joined #trinity-desktop *ozan_caglayan has joined #trinity-desktop *edakiri has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-23T17:57:00Z">+o tbottu </mode> *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-23T17:57:22Z">+o tbottu </mode> *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-23T21:04:07Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: I urge you to do something about this. MutantTurkey It is apparent that the on going discussion has quickly turned into a rapid fire argument. I note that you have made serious arguments, but much of this is just pure trolllism. we are not even on the original topic! MutantTurkey I would post but I do feel that entering into the boxing ring at this point would be like attempting to stop the russian revolution. kb9vqf I'm done kb9vqf Any more stupidity and I'll remove him from the list kb9vqf I honestly think there might be a languange barrier MutantTurkey why? because he is not polite or something? kb9vqf At least we got a comment from a neutral observer in there MutantTurkey I am impressed at your response for most of it. MutantTurkey when you keep stepping back and saying the big picture, its works really well. MutantTurkey the problem is when ilya points out one small thing, you comment on it. because we ALL know this isn't about the dialogs in openoffice, it's really about the whole control issue kb9vqf Yes it is kb9vqf I don't want to see KDE3 die because one person wants to look at quantity of apps versus quality of apps MutantTurkey anyway. this is why archlinux pacman developers are so damn unfriendly. MutantTurkey because they've done this a million times MutantTurkey at this point they basically say MutantTurkey "no patches? well gtfo and we don't care" kb9vqf So I am insisting that this *group* (not one individual) maintains control of KDE3's future :-) MutantTurkey which now i see as a good thing, people need to bring something to the table instead of demanding things kb9vqf i guess kb9vqf we do need to be careful though MutantTurkey no i am aware. kb9vqf listening to the users is good MutantTurkey yes. kb9vqf it's just when you get troll-like behaviour, then it turns nasty MutantTurkey but demands that are frankly rude are not. MutantTurkey we need to be clear then, kb9vqf right kb9vqf and I have no idea if he is rude because he means to be or if there is a language barrier there kb9vqf most of his comments can be take two ways MutantTurkey there is a language barrier kb9vqf and he may be using idioms from his native language MutantTurkey i use to deal with other people from russia a bit MutantTurkey they use different speech patterns MutantTurkey more direct in alot of ways I think. kb9vqf yes, which we taks as "rude" and "taking charge" kb9vqf so that is why I have not just terminated his subscription kb9vqf *take MutantTurkey for example "you are wrong" really means " i disagree" kb9vqf yes MutantTurkey but, again, at THIS point, it is clear that it is not just the language barrier kb9vqf it does seem that way kb9vqf hence my establishing control kb9vqf (or attempting to) MutantTurkey I think, just constantly maintain that "admin" level of superiority kb9vqf now we have a clear reason to terminate his subscription if he continues being a troll MutantTurkey as in: 1) be polite and respectful 2) be nice, but extremely firm 3) be supportive kb9vqf yes MutantTurkey a moderater truely is one who can diffuse this sort of problem kb9vqf if anyone here thinks I am out of line BTW please let me know (privately) ;-) MutantTurkey if you get on his level, that's the problem. kb9vqf I am trying to defuse the issue and keep him as a potential patch source MutantTurkey kb9vqf: actually, I would be the first one to say something. MutantTurkey but frankly I am angry at the level of disregard we are being treated with. kb9vqf but if he constantly says "KDE:KDE3 is way much better" then something has to be said to prevent *our* users from jumping ship to a product with no future MutantTurkey that. MutantTurkey right there, is what i was about to say. kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey which is almost why we need to cut the connection, if we can't get patchs kb9vqf I agree kb9vqf the ball is in his court now kb9vqf his response will determine ours MutantTurkey leave it at that. kb9vqf that is what I intend to do MutantTurkey the whole "Thanks!" ending cracked me up kb9vqf I figure why not be nice kb9vqf :) MutantTurkey it's the best approach MutantTurkey I have diffused many a fights, a probable mugging, just by being really nice kb9vqf hehe kb9vqf it's the last thing they expect :) kb9vqf we'll see if it works here kb9vqf likely he'll just go back to lurking for a while kb9vqf he's done this before kb9vqf before the list was logged IIRC kb9vqf so a while ago MutantTurkey I was in a pretty sketchy neighbor hood i recall, and i was approached by a large man, he comes up really aggressive me. the first thing i said (i don't know why) was "yo buddy, do you want some of my skittles?" he was like "yeah blah blah blah" end up with like a twenty minute discussion waiting at the bus. kb9vqf lucky :) kb9vqf it is said that a kind word can turn away wrath... MutantTurkey indeed. MutantTurkey working in retail, it is really true MutantTurkey the #1 step to reduce robbery and theft? being overly nice and friendly. kb9vqf lets the thieves know that you know about them as well :) MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf it's late here...just wanted to let you know that this "discussion" with anixx-suse should be over with as far as I am concerned kb9vqf and also kde* is ported to TQt kb9vqf (except kdebindings, which may not be ported at all) kb9vqf so feel free to compile and fix bugs :) kb9vqf working on the apps now... MutantTurkey okay cool! MutantTurkey I am still working on getting a building system :P kb9vqf I put a notice on the Etherpad regarding kdebindings MutantTurkey could you set up the extra distro category in the bug tracker? MutantTurkey I could dedicate the next few hours to that. kb9vqf Hang on, let me see what's required... kb9vqf want to be an admin on Bugzilla? MutantTurkey yes kb9vqf (since I'm in the management interface anyway) MutantTurkey ok MutantTurkey that way I can just movestuf around. kb9vqf Email address you registered with? (just need the first few characters) *kb9vqf has waaayyy too many Bugzilla users MutantTurkey no idea D: MutantTurkey I can't recall registering MutantTurkey let me register really quick. MutantTurkey mutantturkey@gmail.com MutantTurkey apparently i have registered. kb9vqf ok, there you are kb9vqf done kb9vqf let me create the new product for Ubuntu and Debian... MutantTurkey kb9vqf: can you PM me my password D: I just got locked out for forgetting it... MutantTurkey kb9vqf: no, make it a triinty category I think kb9vqf I may be able to reset it kb9vqf but I can't view it kb9vqf category...ok kb9vqf can't you self-reset you rpassword? MutantTurkey will do kb9vqf MutantTurkey: OK, there are two new categories, ubuntu and debian, under TDE 3.5 MutantTurkey kb9vqf: OK. MutantTurkey i will review the bugs related. kb9vqf If the distro is not specified move it to Ubuntu please MutantTurkey ? MutantTurkey what if it is not a distro related bug? kb9vqf If it is not clear if the user is under Debian or Ubuntu, choose Ubuntu MutantTurkey oh MutantTurkey but that it is apparent that they are using one of the two? kb9vqf If it is not a distro-specific bug then don't move it to either :) MutantTurkey okay :D kb9vqf then move it to the appropriate place :) MutantTurkey also what ubuntu do we not support? kb9vqf Anything less than Lucid is a WONTFIX MutantTurkey what number is that? haha. MutantTurkey I stopped around 7.10 kb9vqf tell them to test on a later version and reopen the bug if need be kb9vqf 10.04 MutantTurkey ok kb9vqf thanks MutantTurkey will they be notified? kb9vqf just please don't create/rename/delete categories or products without consulting me first kb9vqf yes, they will be sent an Email MutantTurkey obviously. MutantTurkey Ok, that is good then MutantTurkey all I need to do is move stuff around. kb9vqf yes kb9vqf in fact they will get an Email with that information as well kb9vqf so it looks like we are doing something :) MutantTurkey :P MutantTurkey which is good. kb9vqf yes MutantTurkey shuffling paperwork is half of it. kb9vqf indeed *kb9vqf is off to catch some slee kb9vqf *sleep kb9vqf thanks for you work on the project :) MutantTurkey ok kb9vqf *your MutantTurkey no problem. this keeps me busy *kb9vqf just cannot type MutantTurkey obviously, you need to sleep! kb9vqf hehe MutantTurkey I am going to be up for a few. I will start moving stuff now kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey can I make sub categories? maybe for versions? MutantTurkey nvm MutantTurkey I will just modify the title to add the version. *kb9vqf will probably wake up to a zillion Emails in his inbox, as he is CCed for everything kb9vqf MutantTurkey: There is a field for version MutantTurkey there is an "application verison feiled" MutantTurkey yes. kb9vqf No distro field? kb9vqf there should be one kb9vqf it's a drop down list kb9vqf hmm...I guess not kb9vqf oops MutantTurkey its fine kb9vqf hang on kb9vqf MutantTurkey: It's in the Platform field MutantTurkey ok kb9vqf ignore the two custom fields while I try to delete them MutantTurkey hmmm, I don't think i can assign as WONTFIX? kb9vqf no? kb9vqf RESOVED WONTFIX kb9vqf *RESOLVED kb9vqf that should do it MutantTurkey there we go. MutantTurkey Ok, sorry to be an idiot, I actually gotta split, just got called into work in 4 hours... MutantTurkey gotta sleep. kb9vqf looks good to me so far kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey goodnight. I will keep marking them though. kb9vqf sure kb9vqf gn MutantTurkey you should sleep too MutantTurkey night. *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop ozan_caglayan I don't have a trinity system but did you hit a bug of leaving trails behind desktop icons while dragging them? *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *mutantturkey has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey kb9vqf: still moving stuff over. kb9vqf saw that mutantturkey work was ridiculously horrible, was so groggy I almost passed out in the freezer vault mutantturkey but I am working at drexel, and they are letting me use their mac desktop! and i get a cubicle mutantturkey kb9vqf: but 10.04 is still supported? (is it reaching the end of its life?) mutantturkey kb9vqf: did we ever remove the Kubuntu branding on KDM/ mutantturkey ? kb9vqf if it isn't gone in svn then it should be removed ASAP{ kb9vqf 10.04 is not reaching EOL yet kb9vqf The nice thing about QuickBuild is I can build packages for a whole slew of distros and versions kb9vqf :) mutantturkey yeah that is sweet *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *mutantturkey has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey kb9vqf: we don't do fix releases yet do we? *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop mutantturkey TokRa: haven't seen you around mutantturkey in a while TokRa mutantturkey: indeed *TokRa was busy ^_^ mutantturkey haha TokRa but still very much alive :) mutantturkey good! Z_God kb9vqf: I'd like to see 3.5.12 for 10.04 ;) *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *Arch__ has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: hmmmm still having building troubles kb9vqf ? kb9vqf which module/ kb9vqf ? MutantTurkey it can't find an include, could i do a direct include? like "/usr/share/tqtinterface.h" or so? MutantTurkey kdebase MutantTurkey it can't find dbus-tqt-1 MutantTurkey but i've installed it kb9vqf samelian can probably help with that kb9vqf he rewrote my detection script some time ago *kb9vqf is not even sure it works right now as he has not rebuilt kdebase for a few weeks kb9vqf sorry I can't be much help MutantTurkey i'll poke around kb9vqf ok kb9vqf I know the source itself compiles, so the problem should be limited to the build system MutantTurkey yeah MutantTurkey okay well i see the problem MutantTurkey it isn't picking up my include *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop MutantTurkey kb9vqf: mostly just moving stuff, then letting you decide if its still a problem or wontfix etc kb9vqf ok MutantTurkey still won't build hmmm MutantTurkey i'll have to ask samelian MutantTurkey kb9vqf: any experience with X11 forwarding? kb9vqf no kb9vqf sorry MutantTurkey alright, it's weirdly slower than i expected, I have huge bandwidth and it is still crawling MutantTurkey I think these newer toolkits like qt and gtk don't really care about it kb9vqf no they don't kb9vqf Qt4 in particular is horrid kb9vqf even with VNC/RDP kb9vqf that is one reason I will keep Qt3 compilability around as long as possible ;-) MutantTurkey good thinking MutantTurkey though, I do make the argument for completely dropping the whole idea of X11 "servers/client" layout MutantTurkey X11 forwarding should be an extension, not an integral part MutantTurkey because basically the way it works now, there is so much latency, because of the original design. MutantTurkey ah well *kb9vqf notes that the cyclic nature of computing styles seems to be swinging things back to the mainframe/clients model versus the individual desktop / desktop aggregate model so popular in the past two decades kb9vqf so the X11 server/client may come back in vogue *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *RaiNerTsuFal has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *same_ has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Arch__ has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *ubuntu__ has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *KsenZ has joined #trinity-desktop KsenZ hi all KsenZ how i can clone svn tree http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/websvn/listing.php?repname=Trinity+Packaging&path=%2Farch%2F&#aef4a1ee64573f5d6a1efaa1919942561 ? KsenZ I found only web version kb9vqf svn co http://svn.trinitydesktop.org/svn/trinity-packaging . KsenZ thanks kb9vqf np *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-27T16:08:51Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> KsenZ Who is butot? KsenZ How can I talk to him? kb9vqf ? kb9vqf on the mailing list? kb9vqf or in SVN? kb9vqf Baho Utot IIRC in SVN kb9vqf all of our SVN users are on the trinity-devel mailing list *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-27T16:38:37Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> KsenZ thanks again =) kb9vqf np *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen hello to all kb9vqf hello kb9vqf long time no see *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *Qu4Z has joined #trinity-desktop Z_God is kdm in the debian packages?, I can't seem to install it Borg^Queen well time to go, need to put me brain in a box for the night. Borg^Queen Z_God: should be Borg^Queen make sure you have updated your packaging software Borg^Queen gn Z_God seems I got an incomplete mirror or smth, installing the deb manually worked fine *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 is the nightly and nightly denendences supposed to give you a update to tde 3.5.13 or just the few packages it shows it it going to update cpatrick08 is the nightly and nightly denendences supposed to give you a update to tde 3.5.13 or just the few packages it shows it it going to update kb9vqf It should update you to 3.5.13, but there is a wrinkle: Not only is the repository incomplete (as 3.5.13 is still being developed), but the packages now have a -trinity suffix. kb9vqf An auto-upgrade package will be provided when 3.5.13 is actually released cpatrick08 ok thanks kb9vqf np kb9vqf sorry it isn't available yet; it's a lot of work :) cpatrick08 i understand an os is hard to make especially when it is one not supported by a big company like kde 4 is *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 i installed a net install of debian minus graphical desktop added the squeeze repos installed tde and cannot find out how to get wireless working KwiFiManager does not find my wireless network but it works out of the box in TDE maverick cpatrick08 knetworkmanager-trinity package is up to date cpatrick08 i found out i did not have network-manager-kde-trinity installed will get back to you to tell if it solved my problem *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop cpatrick08 the network-manager-kde-trinity worked dont know why it was not installed by default it should be cpatrick08 and i was also wondering if i could use the tde with debian wheezy or sid *cpatrick08_ has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrick08 has joined #trinity-desktop *cpatrick08 has left #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *joeytwiddle has joined #trinity-desktop Z_God my friend has a problem with Trinity on Lucid Z_God whenever he plugs in an external USB disk device, it tends to appear more than once on the desktop Z_God he now has 4 iPod icons for example Z_God has anyone seen this before? *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop Revan199 http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=100 Revan199 is there an workaround? tbottu Bug 100 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, UNCO, Keyboard layout switcher does not work Revan199 is there anybody? Space_Man Revan199: "IRC will be most active/helpful during business hours in the USA." Space_Man I guess they are waking up Revan199 Space_Man: I'm sleeping in that times =( *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop Space_Man Z_God: I'm still using 3.5.11 on ubuntu 9.10 and I have never seen that problem Space_Man I don't have an iPlod but I do use external drives and sticks Space_Man iPod* Z_God Space_Man: ok, I wonder what it could be then, maybe smth with lucid's kernel Space_Man I don't know Space_Man I've just tried inserting and removing a usb stick Space_Man the icon always disappears Space_Man it doesn't matter if I 'safely remove' or not Z_God I think for him it just shows up multiple times straight from the first time Space_Man maybe the ipod has 4 partitions MutantTurkey yeah whats up? MutantTurkey Z_God: hrmmm, like multiple partitions or not? MutantTurkey can you do: ls /dev/ | grep "sd" for me? Z_God MutantTurkey: sec, I just asked him :) Z_God sda Z_God sda1 Z_God sda2 Z_God sda3 Z_God sdb Z_God sdc Z_God sdd Z_God sde Z_God sdf Z_God sdf1 Z_God sdf2 MutantTurkey what else is plugged in? MutantTurkey how many hard drives? Z_God only one Z_God so that seems correct Z_God sda is his main disk Z_God sdf his ipod MutantTurkey what is sdb sdc sdd and sde? MutantTurkey that sometimes happesn when people forget to properly unmount and so the /dev/ names stick around haha. MutantTurkey so sdf/ is the device name obviously, and he has 2 partitions MutantTurkey thats why 2 appear on his desktop Z_God but he gets 4 Z_God and the first partition shouldn't show up, because it's not recognised Z_God this works correctly for me as well, (ipod always have a first partition with an unknown type and a second partition with the data) Z_God ipods* Z_God no idea what the other devices would be MutantTurkey first partition never should MutantTurkey what happens when he clicks on them? MutantTurkey first ask him to reboot? ok Z_God I think then things get messy MutantTurkey because it might be that thing i said earlier about not properly unmounting Z_God I think he does the properly, let me ask MutantTurkey no, reboot. MutantTurkey solves all problems ^_^ MutantTurkey I have work in a minutes, I must leave. if problem persists post it on the ML i can email from my work Z_God alright, thank you very much for checking Z_God good luck with your work! Z_God I just let him use the eject command to eject sdf Z_God that lets all disappear Z_God and replugging it in brings all 4 back *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop Revan199 Why I can't remove some Trinity applications without all Trinity removing (why they are depends instead of recommends) Revan199 Distribution: Debian *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop Revan199 Why Depends, not Recommends? Revan199 kdebase-trinity: Depends: kate-trinity (>= 4:3.5.8-1) but it is not going to be installed. Space_Man are you trying to remove kate-trinity? Revan199 Space_Man: yes Revan199 and many other things =) Space_Man that seems a bit odd Revan199 Space_Man: why? Space_Man it shouldn't remove kdebase-trinity Revan199 Space_Man: kdebase-trinity depends on it Revan199 in control file Revan199 and that's everywhere Revan199 kdetoys-trinity: Depends: kteatime-trinity (>= 4:3.5.12-0debian7+r1158451) but it is not going to be installed. Revan199 for example Space_Man the best person to answer this is kb9vqf, but his client quit 3 hours ago Revan199 why for removing kteatime I have to remove all kdetoys? Space_Man that is also odd Space_Man ask on the mailing list and lots more people will see it Revan199 Space_Man: I don't like mailing lists because of my English Space_Man so far, your English is good enough Space_Man don't worry about it Revan199 oh well Revan199 also, in Debian Lenny KDE3 there is no layout bug Revan199 maybe you can look for patches there Revan199 I almost forgot to ask: why Trinity requires sudo with NOPASSWD? Revan199 kb9vqf is a Debian maintainer of Trinity? Space_Man yes, I think kb9vqf is the debian maintainer Revan199 Space_Man: Can he be found in the XMPP/Jabber? Space_Man I don't know Revan199 sad Space_Man kb9vqf is Timothy Pearson, he is very active on the mailing lists Revan199 Timothy? He is russian? Space_Man no American Revan199 I made something stupid with mailing list... *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|China has joined #trinity-desktop *Xu_R|China is officially hating the great firewall of china *Xu_R|ZNC has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R|China blah, I didn't know that I forgot to turn on ZNC. fk. *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *BluesKaj has joined #trinity-desktop *BluesKaj has left #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-29T20:19:24Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *tbottu has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-30T06:14:37Z">+o tbottu </mode> *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-06-30T06:20:03Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> kb9vqf Having internet trouble here...can anyone verify that KDE.org's SVN server is down (http://websvn.kde.org) K`zan Works here! K`zan The KDE Source Repository K`zan * KDE Homepage / KDE Source Repository Homepage K`zan * -Full Width K`zan * Sitemap K`zan * Contact Us K`zan K`zan Index of / K`zan Files shown:0 K`zan Directory revision: 1238840 (of 1238840) K`zan Sticky Revision: K`zan File Rev. Age Author K`zan branches/ 1238840 28 minutes tpearson K`zan HTH' *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: looks like I didn't miss much in the end. If there's anything you want me to investigate, just holler at me and I'll take a look over this 128k DSL connection ;) Xu_R leaving a message for my ZNC is probably the best option (PM'ing) Xu_R laters! *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *matos has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *MutantTurkey has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen pfffffffffftttttttt! *user__ has joined #trinity-desktop user__ Good day all. user__ The system is complaining that I'm using a reserved nick and it's been a few years since I used IRC so I don't remember the protocol to change it. Would someone care to jog the old nerd's memory? user__ NickServe eldergeek Redstock8 eldergeek :( ok, now, is anyone up for answering a question on screen resolution? eldergeek Hm, this must be my crash-and-burn day. Ok, never mind. *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *kb9vqf has joined #trinity-desktop <mode channel="#trinity-desktop" nick="ChanServ" time="2011-07-01T19:52:55Z">+o kb9vqf </mode> *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen gn to all *UserX7 has joined #trinity-desktop UserX7 any sources for ubuntu 11.04? *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *samelian has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi *Strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Xu_R kb9vqf: Check etherpad when you have time. kb9vqf Which etherpad? *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Piki has joined #trinity-desktop Piki hi kb9vqf hello Xu_R kb9vqf: I think I put it as July Meeting Topics or something. kb9vqf Xu_R|ZNC: And my modifications are up on the Etherpad... *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen bbs *F1aw has joined #trinity-desktop F1aw Hello world! I have a question / suggestion related to trinity desktop. Is there any way I can communicate that? Would anyone care? F1aw Since the forums are closed I thought I would ask here. F1aw Just went to this channel logs and realized how it works. That's actually a pretty clever way to avoid all the spam, yet be able to get feedback from the users. F1aw Anyways, here is my suggestion. On the project's about page I would like to see the clear and concise explanation why this project started and what are its main goals. I would like an explanation of what you mean by "KDE3.5 computing style", from the standpoint of the user that has never heard of KDE. Are you seriously expecting everyone to learn the difference between all KDE versions prior to visiting your site? Also listing kb9vqf You got cut off kb9vqf And yes, as KDE3.5 goes further into the past we may end up having to revise that page to be more specific *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop F1aw Thanks, I was just thinking that people that never used KDE will be quite confused F1aw And thank you for reading my comment. Good luck to you people! *SyncMaster has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen hello humans, AIs and others *strangelv has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen gn everyone Xu_R kb9vqf: saw the changes, see the theme ;) Xu_R i'm heading back to the states next thursday, and i Xu_R 'll finally be rid of this IE6 and DSL connection... :D *TokRa has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv wonders what the DSL is being traded for *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *raevyn has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn Hello :) kb9vqf Hi raevyn I have to say I am totally in LOVE with Trinity! I got ubuntu with GNOME and its okay but I mised KDE 2/3 and when I found Trinty, mu life bega new LOL raevyn There are a few things in GNOME i did prefer though. Mainly in the appearance. For example, do you know how to change the height of th desktop meny bar? Its thicker than in GNOME and I would like to make it smaller Space_Man raevyn: with your konsole "kcontrol" and look for desktop / panels / size raevyn okie i tried that... and that desktop menu panel doesnt show as an option. only the one I have at the bottom for tasks raevyn if you go to the option above "panels" called "behaviour" there is an option to put a menu bar at the top of the screen, which is what I have selected. Btu if I can create a panel that incorporates the menu of file/new/bookmarks/ etc and my own I would do it. I just dont know how Space_Man you can right click on each panel (or taskbar) and select "Configure Panel..." raevyn when i right click on the top dekstop menu panel, I am not presented with that option raevyn is there maybe a confgiuration file for that specific menu bar I can edit to change its height? kb9vqf raevyn: You should be able to select the secondary panel in the drop down list in the Configure->Arrangement view kb9vqf you can change the size of the secondary panel once it is selected in that configuration dialog raevyn im not sure I am being understood... everyone doesnt know it isnt a normal panel right? Its called the menubar.. I dont have a configruation option in it. kb9vqf OK, sorry kb9vqf I am not familiar with the menubar raevyn its okay.. i think its confusing. It looks like a panel yet its not not really. It even operates like one mostly.. other than being able to configure it kb9vqf and it doesn't show up in the drop down list that appears when you right click on the main panel and go to "Configure Panel->Arrangement->Settings For:"? raevyn it doesnt nope. kb9vqf ok, good to know kb9vqf sounds like a bug inherited from KDE3.5 kb9vqf namely a missing configuration dialog/setting somewhere kb9vqf also glad to hear you like our work :) *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn :) definatley! other than that which I hope will be bug fixed hehe.. are there any user switch applets for trinity? oh and, do you know how I can switch to using KDM instead of GDM? now, I have to let you know that I havae gnome, kde 4 AND trinity installed. kb9vqf The desktop lock (kscreensaver) and the TDE Menu (kicker) both allow user switching when you use KDM to login kb9vqf under Ubuntu you can go to a terminal and run this: kb9vqf dpkg-reconfigure kdm-kde3 kb9vqf then select kdm-kde3 from the options list kb9vqf you will probably have to use sudo kb9vqf so the entire command becomes kb9vqf sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm-kde3 kb9vqf Also, please file a bug report at http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net with a detailed description of what is going wrong or missing so that the Trinity development team can reproduce and repair the problem *DeeTah_ has joined #trinity-desktop DeeTah_ hi guys DeeTah_ got a weird issue DeeTah_ i installed wicd on my newly-born trinity desktop installation under debian and wicd-gtk runs twice, the only entry about its autostart being in /etc/xdg/autostart DeeTah_ any ideas wtf? raevyn to kb9vqf - thank you i will file a bug report and try to reconfigure. one other question.. where do i go to get the source for trinity? kb9vqf http://www.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php kb9vqf Or the development version from svn at svn.kde.org; we are in branches/trinity raevyn ty :) kb9vqf DeeTah no clue sorry--I have never had dual-launched apps on my installations kb9vqf you may want to try our mailing list kb9vqf there are other Debian users there that are more familiar with Debian's quirks than I am DeeTah_ hm, atm i'm not even sure which app do I have a problem with DeeTah_ i mean, it could be wicd, it could be xorg, it could be trinity... DeeTah_ thought i'd drop in here and ask you just in case you heard of this problem ;) DeeTah_ btw, keep up the awesome work! :) kb9vqf thanks, glad you appreciate it :) DeeTah_ you're welcome. btw, is there any python interface for trinity kicker widget development? DeeTah_ i think i have an idea for quite a useful widget - at least useful for me ;) kb9vqf There is a python interface, but I don't know how much longer it can be maintained with our current development team kb9vqf kdebindings and python-kde3 need some serious help kb9vqf even in KDE4 they are nearly unmaintainable DeeTah_ you must seriously lack devs kb9vqf python and java devs yes kb9vqf that and Ruby DeeTah_ and koffice? kb9vqf essentially, I can keep kdebindings compiling under Qt3 well enough, but to move to Qt4 is a major headache kb9vqf koffice has already been ported to TQt4 and it will be kept as-is in the tree kb9vqf that is, supported to some extent DeeTah_ btw, you trying to port kde3 to qt4 or something? kb9vqf TQt4 specificall kb9vqf *specifically DeeTah_ some compability layer? kb9vqf it's an abstraction layer to prevent any more rewrites based on Nokia's API whims with Qt4 kb9vqf Just wait for KDE5 ;-) kb9vqf Qt5 is coming, and KDE is unprotected, meaning major rewrites will occur *again* kb9vqf Hopefully TQt will make it so that only the compatibility layer needs a rewrite, instead of the 3GB+ of code in the Trinity codebase DeeTah_ pretty scary kb9vqf I know kb9vqf KDE needs to be careful here kb9vqf IMHO kb9vqf they can help to give Linux a really bad name DeeTah_ hm, so it might be that someday I'll see trinity run on qt4? kb9vqf Yes kb9vqf That is the idea DeeTah_ what's the progress so far? kb9vqf TQt4 porting is complete except for kdebindings kb9vqf which means that it compiles under Qt4, but crashes and has general nastiness when actually *run* under Qt4 kb9vqf The same codebase compiles under both Qt3 and Qt4 BTW DeeTah_ sounds awesome kb9vqf so a fix for a Qt3 bug will also fix a Qt4 bug and vice versa kb9vqf :) DeeTah_ so it's just bugfixing now? kb9vqf For 3.5.13, yes kb9vqf TQt4 is not a runtime target until after 3.6.0 kb9vqf 3.6.0 is intended to be a rock solid system on Qt3 with modern libraries (i.e. no HAL, etc.) DeeTah_ on qt3 or tqt4? kb9vqf On Qt3 kb9vqf 3.6.0+ would start focussing on making Qt4 work properly kb9vqf (stably/faster) kb9vqf Nokia is still working on Qt4 DeeTah_ any timelines on porting trinity to tqt4? kb9vqf and each release adds back mussing functionality, making it easier to implelent TQt4 kb9vqf *missing kb9vqf Trinity is already ported kb9vqf TQt4 is not stable yet DeeTah_ oh, i see. DeeTah_ both for qt4 and qt3, or just qt3? kb9vqf Trinity will currently compile under Qt3 and Qt4 kb9vqf same code, different version of TQt kb9vqf Trinity will run perfectly under TQt3, but TQt4 is unstable kb9vqf Is that more clear? kb9vqf :) DeeTah_ yeah, now i see kb9vqf Qt4 in particular has nasty graphics problems as many who use KDE4 know kb9vqf i.e. Qt4 can be orders of magnitude slower than Qt3 for common graphics operations kb9vqf especially raster stuff kb9vqf So I hope Nokia smooths things out more before we have to go live with TQt4 kb9vqf This is one reason for the delay in release acually kb9vqf I am waiting to see what Nokia fixes while we fix our bugs in the bugtracker ;-) DeeTah_ i wouldn't expect too much kb9vqf I know kb9vqf But I can always hope DeeTah_ personally don't trust them :P kb9vqf Realistically we will need Qt3 for a long time into the future kb9vqf as an option that is kb9vqf Hence TQt kb9vqf Qt3 works very well over VNC/RDP kb9vqf Qt4 does NOT kb9vqf etc. DeeTah_ yeah, I noticed that DeeTah_ hell, thanks for the update, but i gotta go kb9vqf np kb9vqf anytime :) DeeTah_ cya and goodluck with the project! i'd love to see a lite Qt4 DE :D kb9vqf Isn't that an oxymoron ;-) DeeTah_ dunno, but i understand that's what you're working on kb9vqf yes kb9vqf as light as possible kb9vqf but Qt4 is hardly light :-P *DeeTah has joined #trinity-desktop *raevyn has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn hi again! so i have encountered another problem. When i try to run the command "konsole" it pull sup the konsole in kde 4, not the one in trinity. But in root, it has both in the menu with the command of konsole and somehow it knows how to pull up kde 4 and kde 3 konsoles! Is there like a direct link to the kde 3 konsole I can create? I dont like kde 4 version kb9vqf /opt/kde3/bin/konsole raevyn yay hank you! kb9vqf np :) *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *raevyn has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn hi again :P has anyone had issues running pidgin in TDE? it seems to try starting up then it fails.. no error being left. but if i go into gnome it starts and works fine :( *KDavid has joined #trinity-desktop *KDavid has left #trinity-desktop *raevyn has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn hello :) Has anyone had issues running pidgin in TDE? it seems to try starting up then it fails.. no error being left. but if i go into gnome it starts and works fine :( *bimal has joined #trinity-desktop bimal Hello all *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop Borg^Queen hi to all but can't stay Xu_R hi there Xu_R and off she goes *OnlyHuman has joined #trinity-desktop OnlyHuman hi OnlyHuman bye *OnlyHuman has left #trinity-desktop *Space_Man joins the hi club Space_Man hi *Revan199 has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop *zcram has joined #trinity-desktop *Revan199 has left #trinity-desktop *raevyn has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn Hi :) I asked this yesterday but I had to end up logging out before I heard any thoughts so, I have to reask it again. Has anyone had issues running pidgin in TDE? It seems to work fine in GNOME and KDE4 but not in TDE.. it tries to start then fails :( K`zan raevyn: I am not familiar with the app in question, but if it is a kde app, make sure you get the kde3 version of it. I am not involved with the devs here other than watching :). Try starting it from a terminal and see what you get, the devs will need that to make any sense out of the problem. HTH. raevyn oh good idea.. i will try that. and i just noticed that since i have kde 4 and kde 3 installed, some of my graphical windows are overlapping. For example, when i save an image form the internet the box that pops up is themed like kde 4. Does anyone know how to completely isolate the desktops? raevyn oh and k'zan, it gives a segmentation fault *Z_God has joined #trinity-desktop *affect has joined #trinity-desktop *NeKit has joined #trinity-desktop *Space_Man has joined #trinity-desktop *Strangelv tries to install pidgin to test. It's alrady here. It may be installed by default. Strangelv :: tries to start Pidgin and nothing happens. Strangelv running in consore Strangelv strangelv@Doomsday:~$ pidgin Strangelv Segmentation fault *Strangelv presently lacks the ability to verify that it works in KDE 4 or Gnome, but raevyn seems to have dfound something *stallionz has joined #trinity-desktop *Borg^Queen has joined #trinity-desktop *Fat-Zer has joined #trinity-desktop *raevyn has joined #trinity-desktop raevyn hello all :) so I found something odd... last night I was mentining that in TDE I have some theme overlaps with KDE 4.... well I installed ubuntu, kde 4, and then TDE (in that order) on my virtual machine and tried duplicating the overlap issue.. and its not! So, that makes me think there is osmehting odd with my computer. Does anyone know what that could be? kb9vqf theme overlaps? kb9vqf do you have a screenshot? raevyn sure let me try to get one. raevyn please give me a few moments.. i have to finish lunch but i should be about 10 min *NeKit has joined #trinity-desktop NeKit is there any chance it'll work on ARM Gentoo? kb9vqf Haven't tried any ARM builds due to a lack of hardware, although I have been curious enough that once 3.5.13 is out I might try an ARM build on a virtual CPU... kb9vqf since ARM seems to be the next big thing for netbooks, etc. kb9vqf and Trinity would be perfect for that task due to its light resource needs :) NeKit I'm trying to build it under QEMU right now for using with http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-0-tft-lcd-android-2-2-via-8650-cpu-wifi-umpc-netbook-black-349-79mhz-2gb-3-usb-sd-lan-70760?r=88474882 kb9vqf Is it working? kb9vqf If you run into any build errors send them my way and I may be able to help..... NeKit only building qt3 right now kb9vqf ok NeKit I had to apply http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=qt3.git;a=blob_plain;f=qt-x11-free-3.3.7-arm.patch kb9vqf NeKit: Please let me know here if that is the only patch needed kb9vqf For Qt3 that is kb9vqf if so then I will apply it to our Qt3 trunk branch raevyn okay kb9vqf, I have a screenshot showing what it is doing when I save an image from my web browser and what it should be :) kb9vqf ok, send it to imagebin or similar... raevyn oh you mean just upload it? I can use one of my customer websites so you can see would that be okay? *K`zan has joined #trinity-desktop kb9vqf raevyn: it looks like somehow you have the GTK->KDE4 file picker interface installed and running kb9vqf Is this an Ubuntu system? raevyn oh sorry wrong window. yes it is ubutu.. kb9vqf Ubuntu installed some kind of KDE4 integration with Firefox by default kb9vqf I don't know what it's called kb9vqf but a search in Synaptic or other package manager might turn it up raevyn would that also affect opera? raevyn and explain why while running a vm it isnt happening? NeKit p1183307 is rather old? kb9vqf raevyn: Possibly, as the KDE4 integration may not have been installed when you installed Ubuntu in the VM, and Opera would be unaffected in either case kb9vqf NeKit? kb9vqf Since Qt3 was dropped upstream, even old patches were not included in the official Qt 3.3.x tarballs kb9vqf that is what I am trying to rectify now, by providing a central location with the latest Qt3 code with patches already applied raevyn kb9vqf - I foudn the package you were referring to and I removed it... firefox seems to be acting normal again though opera is still having the odd theme issue occuring kb9vqf see if there is another, similar package for Opera raevyn hm.. okie let me see what i can find. if not, do you know if I can remove kde 4 without wrecking tde? raevyn and no i dont see anything for opera that would be like kde integration as there was for firefox although I had to install opera though ppa aas the ubuntu software lists didnt have it raevyn okay... i am feeling it is best to remove kde 4.. as I finding some significant diffs between my two systems. Does anyone know if that will break trinity to do that/ kb9vqf No it will not kb9vqf I have no traces of the bloaty KDE4 system on any of my TDE systems ;-) kb9vqf (can't spare the RAM or disk space!) raevyn lol.. well i want to make sure because i installed kde 4 before tde so I wasnt sure, after this odd graphical incident and the one a few days ago in which typing konsole made the kde 4 konsole come up not tde's, that links or whatever wont get broken kb9vqf no, there shouldn't be any problems kb9vqf if there are just ask us here raevyn sorry i had to step away. Okie i will try it kb9vqf NeKit: Was that one Qt3 patch you mentioned sufficient to enable the ARM build of Qt3? NeKit still compiling NeKit but ebuild used vanilla qt3 with different other patches NeKit I'm talking about https://github.com/serghei/kde-trinity/blob/master/x11-libs/qt/qt-3.3.8b-r4.ebuild kb9vqf ok kb9vqf NeKit: I created a bug report here: http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=484 tbottu Bug 484 enh, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW, Qt3 needs patching to build under ARM kb9vqf if you find any more patches are needed please post them there :) NeKit how much time does it normally take to compile Qt3? kb9vqf On my systems it takes less than an hour kb9vqf on a low power ARM or virtual CPU I could easily see a day NeKit finally, it compiled successfully NeKit ~4 hours *Xu_R whistles as he reads the logs Please note that the content displayed above is automatically generated from third party data collected from the public IRC network. Pearson Computing does not create the content shown above and is not responsible for its contents.
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