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[04:34]Necrodiver: hello. I have a question. I've been using Trinity for a couple months now and im having trouble with one specific thing. I want to set up a keyboard shortcut for pale moon (i installed it in xfce ages ago, i dual run xfce and tde currently)
[04:35]Necrodiver: I was able to set up shortcuts for stuff like librewolf and firefox, but i cant figure out how to set up one for pale moon
[04:35]Necrodiver: i go into the keyboard shortcuts menu and pale moon doesnt appear anywhere and im not sure how to add it to the list of choices
[04:35]Necrodiver: any help would be greatly appreciated
[06:36]inverted_rabbit: Does palemoon have a menu entry? It won't show up in Command Shortcuts if it doesn't have a menu entry.
[06:40]inverted_rabbit: I've only been using Trinity for a few weeks so far but I took the whole plunge. I just really prefer working in it and it's crazy to see that I don't actually do much more than what KDE had 15 years ago.
[06:50]Necrodiver: no it doesnt have a menu entry
[06:51]Necrodiver: librewolf and firefox do
[06:51]Necrodiver: i think its because pale moon requires to build from source i think
[06:52]Necrodiver: and i havent taken the whole plunge yet as there are some things i want to make sure i understand when it comes to differences between xfce and tde before i drop xfce entirely
[07:06]inverted_rabbit: Command shortcuts go by menu entry so you'll need to add a menu entry if you want to use a command shortcut. Once you add that, it should appear in the list.
[07:08]copypaste: inverted_rabbit: that really should not surprise you. the desktop doesn't need to change every few years, it's a working paradigm now. probably will look much the same for actual professionals in +50 yrs even.
[07:08]Necrodiver: ah okay, ill have to figure that out today.
[07:09]Necrodiver: copypaste: thats why i chose tde when my friend told me about it.
[07:09]Necrodiver: i like my init systems crusty and stable
[07:09]Necrodiver: and my DEs the same
[07:09]Necrodiver: lol
[07:09]inverted_rabbit: I'm more of an efficiency person than a "it looks good". I realized that now, linux desktops are more of a "it looks good" than anything else.
[07:10]Necrodiver: yeah and xfce getting more and more bloated
[07:10]inverted_rabbit: I came from modern KDE Plasma 5. I work with large text files sometimes. I was trying this out, accidentally opened the file in modern kate, and kate lagged my system almost ot a halt.
[07:10]Necrodiver: jeez
[07:10]inverted_rabbit: I was able to close it out and open it in tde kate. Worked just fine.
[07:11]Necrodiver: ive heard bad stories about kde plasma
[07:11]inverted_rabbit: It was a better alternative to Gnome, and usable. I absolutely hate Gnome.
[07:11]inverted_rabbit: I'm glad Trinity exists though.
[07:11]Necrodiver: yeha me too, get the best of both wolrds: no gn*me and plasma when it was good
[07:12]inverted_rabbit: There are a few things I'm missing but I ultimately decided it was more worth usability than some extra special things that just take me a few minutes longer without.
[07:12]Necrodiver: i only wish the scheme editing was a little more intuitive. Took me forever to figure out how to make my own scheme in the gui interface. I probably should have just downloaded a dark theme and made small edits to that
[07:12]Necrodiver: lol
[07:13]inverted_rabbit: I have most everything set to KDE 2 honestly. That's good enough for me.
[07:13]inverted_rabbit: I do have my colors set to KDE 1. I prefer the darker titlebar.
[07:14]Necrodiver: i like dark themes
[07:14]Necrodiver: not hard on the eyes
[07:14]Necrodiver: but when i was looking through some of the downloadable themes, i wasnt happy with most of em
[07:14]inverted_rabbit: Some consider me insane because I've always been a bit of a light guy.
[07:15]Necrodiver: i wish there was a theme like darkaneon in tde
[07:15]Necrodiver: i use darkaneon purple on xfce
[07:15]Necrodiver: but id never figure out how to make it right lol
[07:16]inverted_rabbit: Wonder how hard it would be to make your own.
[07:16]copypaste: if you ask me the biggest problem tde has is that a lot of the modules have bitrotted to hell. e.g. there is actually a graphical laptop touchpad configuration thing callled synaptiks. but it seems tde team didn't knw as it wasn't a KDE thing, it was 3rd party and that 3rd party is long gone
[07:17]copypaste: so ive been trying to figire out how to compile it w/tde and it's not easy lol
[07:17]Necrodiver: lol
[07:17]copypaste: b/c they changed all k's to t's etc
[07:17]inverted_rabbit: synaptits
[07:18]Necrodiver: is that for a laptop that has a touch screen for a monitor?
[07:18]copypaste: LOL
[07:18]Necrodiver: lol synaptits
[07:18]copypaste: totally calling it that if i figure it out
[07:18]Necrodiver: lol
[07:18]Necrodiver: i dare you
[07:18]copypaste: no. just for the touchpad every laptop has
[07:18]Necrodiver: oh
[07:18]copypaste: tde does not have a graphical way to say e.g. "tap is click"
[07:18]copypaste: or to change hte timings or anything
[07:19]copypaste: you have to xorg conf
[07:19]copypaste: synaptiks was the kde3 solution to that but like i said it was 3rd party
[07:19]Necrodiver uses a thinkpad x200s with the little knob on the keyboard
[07:19]copypaste: and so that's my current project
[07:19]copypaste: i hae
[07:19]copypaste: t500
[07:19]copypaste: so it has both
[07:19]Necrodiver: ah
[07:20]Necrodiver: id disable it and just use the knob and not even worry about tap to click
[07:20]Necrodiver: lol
[07:20]Necrodiver: but thats me
[07:20]copypaste: lol
[07:20]copypaste: i figure it's useful to fix even if i don't use it much b/c tde is useful even on normal (i.e. new) hardware
[07:21]Necrodiver: yeah and im weird so no one should ever base their decisions on what i think, unless its to rid the linux universe of systemd forever
[07:21]copypaste: never gonna happen
[07:21]Necrodiver: thats why i use refracta ;)
[07:22]inverted_rabbit: I'm using runit.
[07:22]copypaste: systemd is really useful actually imo, i don't get why some folks still resist it lolol
[07:22]Necrodiver: because its spyware
[07:22]copypaste: keep on tho idc
[07:22]copypaste: >implying
[07:22]Necrodiver: i use sysvinit
[07:22]Necrodiver: because im crusty
[07:22]inverted_rabbit: Even if I did agree systemd was fine, it's always good to have project competition.
[07:22]Necrodiver: and i like moldy and crusty things
[07:23]inverted_rabbit: Choices and improvements over each other.
[07:23]copypaste: i agree
[07:23]inverted_rabbit: Is that why your name is "Necro"?
[07:23]Necrodiver: nope
[07:23]copypaste: i think it's good we have multiple implementations of most core things now
[07:23]Necrodiver: necrodiver is the name of a character from a series i like
[07:23]copypaste: e.g. musl vs. libc, uutils vs. coreutils
[07:23]inverted_rabbit: ... Is that series moldy and crusty?
[07:23]copypaste: wasn't like that even 10 yrs ago
[07:24]Necrodiver: no its from 2006 lol
[07:24]copypaste: so yes
[07:24]inverted_rabbit: Yeah I appreciate how many choices we kind of have now, even if sometimes it does get a little.. too much.
[07:24]copypaste: a child born in 2006 is 16
[07:25]copypaste: rn
[07:25]inverted_rabbit: I was born in 2001. I can legally drink in the US.
[07:26]inverted_rabbit: I used to use WindowMaker, which seemed to be a fork or something of GNUstep, I can't remember. Was interesting getting questions on why I was using a desktop older than me.
[07:27]copypaste: normal folks have no idea how most good software is old... age+constant use is a mark of quality in software
[07:27]copypaste: just age alone isn't enough though lol
[07:28]Necrodiver: yall young
[07:28]copypaste: i was born 94
[07:28]Necrodiver: i win
[07:28]Necrodiver: 80
[07:28]Necrodiver: grandpa here
[07:28]copypaste: not shocked given love of sysvinit lol
[07:28]Necrodiver: i just believe old stuff is better
[07:29]Necrodiver: i still buy physical media
[07:29]inverted_rabbit: I have an appreciation for old stuff. I've kinda made it my life when it comes to software.
[07:29]inverted_rabbit: Necrodiver: Agreed. I hate digitally downloading crap when I should be putting a cd in my drive.
[07:29]Necrodiver: i only torrent stuff when im broke, i try to make sure i buy everything physical
[07:30]Necrodiver: or when i dont wanna give a company money because i hate that company
[07:30]inverted_rabbit: I totally obtain everything I ever get legally because I am a very good citizen and have never broken a rule in my life.
[07:30]Necrodiver: i totally obtain everything through five finger discounts because MUH CORPORATIONS
[07:30]Necrodiver: XD
[07:31]Necrodiver: like i wanna get this set of dvds but its so damned expensive
[07:31]Necrodiver: so i downloaded the series for free until i can afford it
[07:32]Necrodiver: shit i still havent eaten and its 4:30pm
[07:32]Necrodiver: kik
[07:32]Necrodiver: lol
[07:32]Necrodiver: i think its time for breakfast at dinner time
[07:32]inverted_rabbit: Go eat!
[07:32]inverted_rabbit: I'm an American with a really bad sleep schedule so it's been past dinner for me.
[07:37]micheleC: @Necrodiver: you can edit the TDE menu and add a custom entry for Palemoon. You can also add it to the quick launcher to make it even quicker. If you want a global keyboard shortcut to launch Palemoon, go to Input action, create a 'Generic' action and in the 'Actions' tab create a new Command. Then type in the command to launch Palemoon
[07:46]Necrodiver: ah so in the keyboard shortcuts menu, i create a generic action
[07:46]Necrodiver: then link it to pale moon
[07:49]micheleC: yes
[07:50]micheleC: generic actions allows the max freedom. you can call command, do dcop calls, send keyboard sequences to specific programs and so on
[07:50]Necrodiver: noice
[07:50]micheleC: if you use PTB or PSB, you can also add delays between different part of actions. If you are on official releases, that will be part of R14.0.13
[07:55]inverted_rabbit: Question: There a reason why many applications are in "packs"? Or is that just how KDE had them then? I noticed looking through old KDE gits that they had a lot of applications in one group.
[08:05]Necrodiver: im on the official release, so next update ill get that
[08:08]micheleC: @inverted_rabbit: old KDE3 already have major modules for the core part. Then there were individual applications developed on top of the core
[08:08]micheleC: TDE has retained the same structure
[08:09]micheleC: so there are some core biiig modules and then lot of stand alone applications
[08:10]micheleC: at least in DEB distros, the big modules are built in many individual packages, so you are not forced to install all of them if you don't want. You can cherry pick what you want to install and what not
[08:10]micheleC: TDE is very much configurable in almost everything :-)
[08:10]Necrodiver: thats the great thing and the worst thing about tde lol
[08:10]micheleC: :-D
[08:11]inverted_rabbit: Ah, I'm on Arch and I can't install kmix, kaboodle, or noatun separately which is why I asked. I just want kmix. It's all instead in one package called tdemultimedia.
[08:11]Necrodiver: configure almost anything, but then its so configurable it can be hard figure stuff out at the same time
[08:11]Necrodiver: Inverted_rabbit: Time to move to devuan ;)
[08:11]inverted_rabbit: Well I'm not actually on Arch.
[08:12]inverted_rabbit: I'm on Artix using Runit
[08:12]Necrodiver: noice
[08:13]inverted_rabbit: I'm not a fan of Debian-based distros. Not that they aren't any good, I prefer the latest cup of tea.
[08:14]Necrodiver: youre a ricer ;)
[08:14]Necrodiver: i like my distros stale and crusty but stable
[08:15]micheleC: @inverted_rabbit: ah I see. I am not familiar with Arch packaging details... being on Debian for almost 20 years ;-)
[08:15]Necrodiver: although i will say that debian pushed a package a couple weeks ago in unstable that broke my pc for a few hours because i didnt know what the update did. it deleted a key file that prevented me from booting my pc properly
[08:15]Necrodiver: im on refracta, but everything is downstream from debian so
[08:15]inverted_rabbit: I have a friend who's been in linux as a job for about 15 years, and recently switched from Debian for it being way too slow to get updates.
[08:16]micheleC: Debian Testing is quite a good compromise. Stable for daily use, not too outdated. But yeah, some other distros are usually more up to date
[08:16]inverted_rabbit: He heard great things about Manjaro and has been trying it, albiet he is miserable because it's Manjaro.
[08:16]Necrodiver: lol
[08:16]Necrodiver: thats what he gets
[08:16]inverted_rabbit: He's planning on another switch soon.
[08:16]Necrodiver: just use devuan on unstable
[08:17]inverted_rabbit: Also I'm not a ricer, atleast I don't think. I think old is good but small stuff like ssl libraries and such are nice to get the latest of.
[08:17]inverted_rabbit: I'll try and pitch devuan unstable to him.
[08:20]Necrodiver: i was using it, its stable and while its not the absolute newest thing, it is fairly up to date
[08:21]inverted_rabbit: The git for tdemultimedia also has kmix, kaboodle, and noatun all lumped into it.
[08:22]inverted_rabbit: Ah, seems I have not much to worry about though. CMake seems to have options to turn off/on things.
[08:27]micheleC: yes, if you build your own TDE packages, you can get extra configuration and choose what to build and what not
[10:30]Necrodiver: michelec: I got the palemoon shortcut to werk, thanks :D
[10:30]Necrodiver: went into the tde menu editor and added an entry
[10:30]Necrodiver: that allowed me to create a shortcut
[10:36]micheleC: Good to hear that
[10:37]micheleC: never noticed you could create a shortcut from the menu editor. Learnt something new today :-)
[10:56]Necrodiver: Yeah when i went into the menu editor, i added an entry for pale moon, and at the bottom of that window it has a "shortcut key" place where you can add a keyboard shortcut
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