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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: trinity-apt-archive source packages uploaded to queue, now waiting to build |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Can you send a link to the packages so I can up the build priority? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+packages?field.name_filter=trinity-apt-archive |
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| kb9vqf | Thanks |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: It appears that two packages remain in queue below: |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/282070 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/282076 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Must have missed those; updated |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: For some reason failed two of the build-deps on ppc64el == fell again in queue low: |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/280506 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/280516 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Thanks for the heads up; rescored |
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| pitriss | hi
guys, please can you tell me what kind of data expects yakuakes dcop
call yakuake session-1 setSchema ? I tried to put there all kinds of
schema names but it wasn't work as expected. |
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| kb9vqf | pitriss: I don't use yakuake personally so I don't know exactly what data is expected, but have you tried kdcop? |
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| pitriss | yep It says TQString |
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| pitriss | but when i tried all known schema names it doesn't changed schema |
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| pitriss | weird thing is fact that schema call returns empty string (I guess it should return name of schema used) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Well, trinity-apt-archive packages seems to be ready for copying. |
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| pitriss | or I'm using it in wrong way..:) I'm not too much skilled in dcops |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Copy in progress |
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| kb9vqf | pitriss:
You might have hit a bug. kdcop is normally very reliably,
so I'd guess that the yakuake DCOP interface is reading/writing the
wrong schema variable |
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| pitriss | ah so should I file bugreport?:) |
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| kb9vqf | pitriss: Probably |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2537 filed by chytrex@wjake.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2537 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , yakuakes dcop session-1 setSchema / schema calls not working |
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| kb9vqf | pitriss; Thanks |
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| pitriss | kb9vqf: ok I just did it:) |
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| pitriss | youe welcome:) |
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| pitriss | *youre |
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| pitriss | I found this bug when I tried to temporarily workaround another bug in yakuake with terminal background:D |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Updated "apt-archive" packages uploaded also for LibreOffice-trinity: https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~libreoffice-trinity/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-trinity-staging/+packages?field.name_filter=apt-archive&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Rescored. What URL dud you use in that package? |
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| kb9vqf | *did |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/libreoffice-trinity/ubuntu |
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| kb9vqf | OK, that looks correct...just checking :-) |
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| SlavekB | Performed again only change from ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org |
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| kb9vqf | I just wanted to verify since there is a close but incorrect variant that would not use the mirror system |
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| SlavekB | I checked the functionality of url before uploading packages :) |
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| kb9vqf | great! |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I think you have the required permission to copy the packages from staging to production, correct? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: once built packages will be ready to copy, then I can perform it :) |
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| kb9vqf | ok |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Two build-deps again need to prioritize. |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/280536 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/280551 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Done |
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| SlavekB | Thank you! |
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| SlavekB | Incidentally: Updated libreoffice-trinity-apt-archive packages have been published in the official PPA. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
When you have a possible patch for the LibreOffice build issue you can
either upload it to the LO Gerrit system yourself and send me a link or
just send me the patch and I'll handle upstreaming -- it's up to you
(though the LO folks probably prefer you to upload it yourself) |
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| kb9vqf | Never mind, I see your Email :-) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: If you think it would be better to sent patch to Gerrit myself, I will try to test patch first. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
My only concern is policy on the LO side; I think they probably prefer
you upload the patch yourself if you originated it, but I don't think
they are as strict as other projects (meaning I could send it if need
be) |
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| SlavekB | Do you have a build environment where you could test this patch? |
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| kb9vqf | Yes, I have GIT all set up and ready to go |
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| kb9vqf | *LO git that is |
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| SlavekB | I routinely build LibreOffice from Debian packages... |
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| kb9vqf | Ah, yeah, maybe I should take over here since I'm all set up already and upstream integration is a pain :-) |
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| SlavekB | I also already have LibreOffice git clone, but I have not ready environment for build LO from git :) |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: On second thought I may have already archived that VM |
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| kb9vqf | if you want to work on getting it tested / submitted feel free |
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| * kb9vqf is still cleaning up from the outage mess |
| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I can send a patch to Gerrit myself, but first I would like to have verified that really solves the problem :) |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I'll have to decompress that VM |
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| kb9vqf | I'll get back to you later today:-) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: It is for me a challenge that I, little ant, could contribute to such a large project, such as LibreOffice :) |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Well, I've contributed to a lot of base packages like OpenLDAP,
Kerberos, etc. This is part of what makes open source great!
:-) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf:
A few years ago I corrected one long-term bug in Mozilla (incorect
handling with Windows UNC path) ... also it was an interesting feeling
:) |
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| kb9vqf | Yep, I know what you mean |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2530 from NEEDINFO to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2530 blocker, P5, ---, slavek.banko, ASSIGNED , Build issue: Git tdelibs FTBFS |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Oh, I noticed that you were cut old irc log - that's great, thank you! |
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| SlavekB | Before that it was loading horribly long. |
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| MutantTurkey | things going well around here? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Unfortunately the LO patch only fixed part of the problem: https://paste.ee/p/gjLkf |
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| kb9vqf | MutantTurkey: Slowly, but they are going :-) |
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| MutantTurkey | that's what i like to hear! |
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| Inukaze | Hi there , this channel still alive ? |
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| Inukaze | Well , i don't see an email to send my question |
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| Inukaze | you have a version of trinity desktop for ArchLinux /Manjaro with OpenRC ? |
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| Inukaze | In
special the TDM , because with openrc i have glitches with lxdm and mdm
, and sometimes works sddm , but lightdm , xdm , gdm , entrance , slim ,
don't works fine with openrc |
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| MutantTurkey | Yes. |
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| MutantTurkey | This is alive a channel |
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| MutantTurkey | Did arch switch to openrc? interesting. |
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| Inukaze | No , but i have more specific manjaro with openrc i switch manually |
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| MutantTurkey | gotit |
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| Inukaze | Manjaro have an iso version with openrc |
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| MutantTurkey | does straight ol' starttde work to launch the desktop? |
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| Inukaze | ol'? what ? |
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| MutantTurkey | The issue you're having is launching TDE or? |
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| Inukaze | ahm no , no , i wanna install TDE in manjaro , but the official repos dont work for me i can't install it |
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| Inukaze | and i wanna know if works with openrc |
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| MutantTurkey | gotcha, so how can I help you? |
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| Inukaze | Some mirror repositories for test if works for me ? |
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| MutantTurkey | I don't see why not, depends if you are using the display manager or not |
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| MutantTurkey | either way you can run a trinity session regardless of dealing with the display manager problem |
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| Inukaze | i can't install nothing from TDE Official repo for archlinux , unreachable hosts |
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| Inukaze | i wanna test the full desktop in manjaro with openrc |
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| MutantTurkey | ah yes, those don't exist any longer |
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| Inukaze | :( |
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| MutantTurkey | unless they do and i am wrong |
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| MutantTurkey | Inukaze: aren't there AUR packages for it? |
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| Inukaze | let me see |
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| Inukaze | nope |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Updated patch for LibreOffice flies in the mail. |
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| SlavekB | Inukaze: Until here will not be a volunteer to take care for ArchLinux Trinity packages, packages simply cannot exist. |
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| SlavekB | Query
for ArchLinux packages is repeated here, but as long as everyone will
just ask and nobody fails to produce a helping hand, moving forward does
not occur. |
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| Inukaze | :( |
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| Inukaze | bye
people , if you can make a poll in Manjaro OpenRC ISO , if someone ar
interested in help to support TDE for OpenRC ISO Version of Manjaro :D |
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| Inukaze | in the forum i was meant XD |
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| tbottu | 10darrella@clovermail.net changed the Status on bug 2454 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2454 major, P5, ---, slavek.banko, REOPENED , KMail crashes on next start when closed in Offline mode |
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| tbottu | 10darrella@clovermail.net changed the Status on bug 2454 from REOPENED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2454 major, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, KMail crashes on next start when closed in Offline mode |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I think that patch fixed the compiilation issues. Can you submit it and send me the link? |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: patch merged! See http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=4f0a68eb |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Cool, thanks! |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Since you have more epxerience with pmount, etc. is there any way that you know of to replace the "pmount" call here https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/tree/tdecore/tdehw/tdestoragedevice.cpp#n1280 with a DBUS call? |
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| kb9vqf | pmount isn't working very well in some cases |
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| kb9vqf | so what I am asking is: can we use udisks[2] for that purpose or is there a different DBUS service to unlock LUKS devices? |
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| SlavekB | now I have to go away for a few hours |
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| SlavekB | Then I can look at it. |
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| SlavekB | Anyway, I'm finishing last patches related to bug 2521. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2521 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Installation of TDE breaks Unity and Gnome Desktops |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Thanks. I don't have much time to actually hack on the
codebase as I am trying to make ends meet due to the recent
server repair expenses :/ |
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| kb9vqf | but I'm still trying to keep things moving along.... |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2521 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2521 blocker, P5, ---, slavek.banko, PATCHAVAIL , Installation of TDE breaks Unity and Gnome Desktops |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
hi, does have your preliminary wheezy repo also source packages?:) I'm
thinking about adding src repo into sources.list and use it to try fixed
dcop notification daemon:) |
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| pitriss | It could be easier than compiling from source tarballs. |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: everything is available :) |
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| pitriss | ok thank you:) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: i will try to compile it then:) |
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| SlavekB | Soon I will make a regular weekly update of changelog: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.2 |
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| pitriss | great progress..:) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: please do you have any clue whats wrong? http://pastebin.com/wXB6nbSh |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: you have enough space on a partition? |
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| pitriss | 13GB free |
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| SlavekB | That's certainly enough. |
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| SlavekB | File
/home/chytrex/TEMP/tdelibs/tdelibs-trinity-14.0.2~pre9/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/dcop/libDCOP.so.14.0.0
exists and looks like valid? |
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| pitriss | it had zero size |
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| pitriss | i'm trying to rerun that..:) |
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| pitriss | still the same result and it looks like there are no previous errors during compilation |
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| pitriss | maybe its because i should use Gcc 4.6 instead 4.7? |
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| SlavekB | You can try to search in log where is linked libDCOP. |
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| pitriss | ok so i will run it again and redirect all output to file to have complete log as my console "backlog" is not long enough.. |
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| SlavekB | GCC version would not be a problem. |
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| pitriss | ok.. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: http://pastebin.com/ARLpUAaQ is that info you needed? |
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| SlavekB | pitriss:
Ha, two things are strange - is used tdeelfeditor from the
/opt/trinity/bin instead of from the build folder. And the information
that are trying to save to the libraries are "14.0.0" "10/12/2015
3:05:41" instead of "14.0.2"...! |
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| SlavekB | Can be used for building a clean chroot - for example pbuilder? |
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| pitriss | i have not set up such enviroment yet.. |
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| pitriss | Thats why i tried to use apt-get -b source ... |
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| SlavekB | Now it seems to mingle being compiled R14.0.2 with already installed R14.0.0. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, why you do not use binary packages from preliminary stable builds apt source? |
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| pitriss | but
i can try to setup build enviroment if it help you discover some bug..
otherwise i can wait till R14.0.2 will be released..:) |
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| pitriss | I don't want to break my desktop:D |
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| SlavekB | I use R14.0.2~pre every day :) |
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| SlavekB | For building in any case, I recommend pbuilder. |
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| pitriss | I just tried to build tdelibs to fix that annoying dcop notifications:D |
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| pitriss | BTW do you use yakuake from trinity? |
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| pitriss | ok i will look at it someday..:) or maybe i will switch to preliminary repo:) |
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| SlavekB | I tried yakuake and I found that such a method of operation does not satisfy me. |
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| pitriss | ok..
thats probably why i found some bugs in it.. :) Because not so much ppl
here is using it:) These issues are more cosmetic tho..:) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf:
I think that 'SAK' can only be used with a local display, not with the
remote. Is it correct to write UseSAK else than for local display? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
I haven't taken a very close look at it, but in any case on one user's
system here there were two separate UseSAK entries with conflicting
settings, which was causing issues with the themer TDEControl module |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Scheduled maintainance has been pushed back to 10/15/2015 due to slower
than expected replacment part delivery (I have some of the parts but am
still missing two items) |
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| kb9vqf | everyone
else: I could use some additional funding as I am currently way over
budget on TDE and am having to backfill with non-TDE related work... :-) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2530 blocker, P5, ---, slavek.banko, PATCHAVAIL , Build issue: Git tdelibs FTBFS |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2528 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2528 critical, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , Add support for subversion 1.9 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2521 blocker, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Installation of TDE breaks Unity and Gnome Desktops |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 791 from PATCHAVAIL to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=791 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Akode: add the akode arts plugin to the Trinity repository |
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| kb9vqf | Most services restored; mailing lists still a work in progress. New estimated service restoration at 19:30 GMT |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I've updated the 'akode' in the deps-r14. Please, can you raise the priority - especially for ppc64el? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+packages?field.name_filter=akode |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: ppc64el priority updated; there aren't too many x86 builds in queue so we'll just let it work through |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 1596 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1596 enhancement, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, [i18n] TDM should use system-defined language by default |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: clearly, I'm not worried about the amd64 and i386 :) |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2525 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2525 blocker, P1, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: tdenetwork R14.0.1 tarball FTBFS on Slackware 14.1 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2538 filed by assolutooccidentale@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2538 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , i cannot install trinity on stretch |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2538 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2538 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , i cannot install trinity on stretch |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Njörun seems to be stuck in Cleaning. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I'll reset it |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Sjöfn seems to be stuck in Cleaning. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Let me reset it.... |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Lords of Ubuntu are really 'sweethearts'! |
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| SlavekB | I
assumed that when Oct. 15 was final freeze that already will be "no"
changes, and I can build packages as 'final' == without '~a' suffix. |
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| SlavekB | Today I see that they update the gcc. |
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| kb9vqf | yeah |
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| kb9vqf | I've learned not to build TDE for release until Ubuntu is already shipping |
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| SlavekB | fully understand |
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| SlavekB | Fortunately, it seems to be a minor change |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Incidentally, for the build-deps on Wily I had to put gpsim. |
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| SlavekB | see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpsim/+bug/1501390 |
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| kb9vqf | Interesting |
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| * kb9vqf goes to rescore your ppc64el builds |
| SlavekB | While on Debian problem was resolved the next day, on Ubuntu nobody cares... |
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| kb9vqf | That pretty much matches my experience as well |
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| kb9vqf | I've been slowly moving over to Debian from Ubuntu, as I don't really care about the bleeding-edge features anymore (KDE SC 5?) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: When debugging bug 2521 I first looked at Unity and Gnome 3.x - one stranger than the second :) |
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| msb__ | Has Trinity been ported to any *BSD? |
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| kb9vqf | msb__: Yes, though from what I understand there are some threading problems remaining |
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| kb9vqf | msb__: It's mentioned on the main site (news release https://trinitydesktop.org/newsentry.php?entry=2015.08.30) |
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| kb9vqf | FreeBSD |
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| SlavekB | msb___: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/freebsd?h=r14.0.x |
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| SlavekB | msb___: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2462 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2462: blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [FreeBSD] Crash in threads tdm, kdesktop,... |
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| msb___ | Thanks! |
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| SlavekB | One more bug on FreeBSD - probably also related threads: |
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| SlavekB | http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2526 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2526: major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [FreeBSD] Konqueror freezes upon typing '/' in address bar |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Meili and Njörun seems to be stuck on Cleaning |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Note: build-deps for Wily are updated and complete == including compiz https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+packages?field.series_filter=wily |
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| kb9vqf | I'm waiting for the Stretch deps and will copy all at once |
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| SlavekB | for
compiz on a Stretch we wait for the tdebase and before that the
necessary dependencies == tdelibs => arts, avahi, dbus,... |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+packages?field.series_filter=stretch |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I meant the base deps |
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| SlavekB | base build-deps (without compiz) are ready also for Stretch |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I had some time to look at the dependencies PPA; Stretch and Wily packages are copied |
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| kb9vqf | Any other updates I should be aware of? |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf:
It has been updated 'akode' in all distributions. However, for R14.1.x
should already be built together with other packages from GIT. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Yes, good point. I need to delete the extra akode package from the nightly build deps |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2528 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2528 major, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Add support for subversion 1.9 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: New news item posted to main site |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2115 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2115 minor, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Native tqt3 sqlite3 driver is duplicated in the krecipes source code |
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| WorkingTurkey | is there a launch helper required to run with an application through kmail |
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| WorkingTurkey | not using tde right now, but using kmail |
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| WorkingTurkey | click on a link it asks me what I want to launch with then nothing |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2434 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, PATCHAVAIL , Build issue: smartcardauth rpmlint errors |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2434 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: smartcardauth rpmlint errors |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Njörun seems to be stuck on Cleaning |
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| kb9vqf | Rebooting.... |
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| pitriss | Guys.. can someone test kopete's default ICQ login address? Correct is login.icq.com |
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| pitriss | IDK if it was dragged into my configuration by migration from KDE3.5 or if its wrong in package.. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2539 filed by darrella@clovermail.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2539 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Incorrect desktop icon displayed for SD card |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2540 filed by slavek.banko@axis.cz. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2540 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.0.3 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: We need to discuss R14.0.2 |
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| kb9vqf | I think you uploaded all packages already, correct? |
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| kb9vqf | If we're good to go you should tag R14.0.2 and I'll go ahead and get the release ball rolling on this end |
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| SlavekB | No not. So far, in my PPA are packages for R14.0.1. |
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| SlavekB | I must proceed to the tag in GIT, create source packages and upload. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I suppose I will do so this weekend. |
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| SlavekB | For now all builds and testing were in my preliminary stable builds repository. |
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| kb9vqf | OK |
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| SlavekB | As you probably read, Michele also had no objections to tagging without the wait after hardfreeze. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: If you want, in my PPA is ready R14.0.1 for Wily == could be published immediately. |
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| kb9vqf | Will copy now |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Copy / upload in progress :-) |
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| SlavekB | Thank you. |
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| kb9vqf | NP |
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| kb9vqf | Thanks for the uplaods |
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| kb9vqf | *uploads rather |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf:
On weekend I plan to upload R14.0.2 packages without packages for
Stretch. Until is not final would unnecessarily delaying builds of other
packages - especially ppc64el. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Yes, you should wait until R14.0.2 is finalized -- that's why I was asking about the tagging |
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| kb9vqf | From what I can see it's pretty much ready, but we were waiting on one or two bugs? |
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| kb9vqf | I have one commit I would like to make to the LDAP utilities, but I don't know if the problem affects the SRUs or not |
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| SlavekB | I think that at this moment there are no bugs that would need to wait. |
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| kb9vqf | OK, sounds good |
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| kb9vqf | I'll see if there's anything I need to fix tomorrow and you can tag/upload over the weekend |
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| SlavekB | Although the list of Bug 2468 are still some items, but I think it can be moved to R14.0.3. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2468 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.0.2 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| SlavekB | For bug 2529 is not enough information and I also do not consider it essential for R14.0.2. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2529 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , KPPP fails everytime on PCLinuxOS with TDE R14.0.1 |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I assumed that I could tag on a Sunday afternoon - if nobody would find something major / blocking. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Sounds like a reasonable goal |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I can again tag the first in my local git repository and upload tags after the finished builds in my ppa. |
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| kb9vqf | However you want to do it; as long as the source in your PPA matches the final tags I'm fine with it |
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| SlavekB | Yes, R14.0.1 exactly match the tags. And I suppose that even R14.0.2 also will be built successfully :) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2541 filed by rossi.f@inwind.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2541 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , ark rar improvements: fix support with rar utilities v5.x and improve listing of folders |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2541 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2541 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , ark rar improvements: fix support with rar utilities v5.x and improve listing of folders |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: This commit should probably go into R14.0.2: https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libtdeldap/commit/?id=3fdd5c96 |
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| kb9vqf | Hmmm, you're not here |
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| kb9vqf | Will poke later |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: 3fdd5c96 (libtdeldap) backported to R14.0.2 |
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| kb9vqf | Thanks |
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| SlavekB | please, can you adjust priority for compiz builds? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/282447 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/282454 |
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| kb9vqf | slavekb: done |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise priority of remaining compiz builds? https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/282461 https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/282468 |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2538 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2538 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, i cannot install trinity on stretch |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2536 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , New icon theme compatible with TDE: Masalla |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Sjöfn seems to be stuck in Cleaning |
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| kb9vqf | restarting... |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise priority of last pending compiz build? https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+build/282468 |
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| kb9vqf | Done |
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| SlavekB | Thank you! |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2536 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 needs packaging, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, New icon theme compatible with TDE: Masalla |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 791 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=791 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Akode: add the akode arts plugin to the Trinity repository |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: all compiz build-deps for Stretch are ready to copy https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+packages?field.series_filter=stretch |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Meili and Njörun seems to be stuck |
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| SlavekB | Well, Njörun is already in work :) |
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| WorkingTurkey | kb9vqf: I can retroactively license it public domain right? |
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| kb9vqf | WorkingTurkey: Yep |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Meili and Njörun are stuck on Cleaning. |
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| WorkingTurkey | k |
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| WorkingTurkey | just emailed you nack. |
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| WorkingTurkey | back' |
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| kb9vqf | thanks |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Restarting |
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| WorkingTurkey | In other news here's my lastest pride and joy, since I work in software, now I have fun with cars |
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| WorkingTurkey | http://i.imgur.com/NGG1gLl.jpg |
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| WorkingTurkey | 1993 Saab 900 Turbo Convertible |
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| kb9vqf | Nice! |
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| WorkingTurkey | I am on a swedish kick, it's my 3rd saab |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: all compiz build-deps for Stretch are ready to copy https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+packages?field.series_filter=stretch |
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| kb9vqf | copied |
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| WorkingTurkey | Anyone run into issues outside of a TDE session using kmail or other programs? |
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| WorkingTurkey | my open with dialog does not work unless I am using TDE |
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| WorkingTurkey | which I can only assumes mean I am not running some sort of helper service. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Meili seems to be stuck on Cleaning. |
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| kb9vqf | Again? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, again. |
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| kb9vqf | I will likely be acquiring some real Power8 hardware in a couple of months |
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| kb9vqf | so these problems should go away then |
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| kb9vqf | however until then you'll just have to keep poking me when the builders go down ;-) |
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| SlavekB | I try to constantly supervise them :) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Sjöfn is stuck on Cleaning. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: knock knock :) |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Was away from this machine |
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| kb9vqf | Resetting |
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| SlavekB | thank you |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Meili is stuck on Cleaning |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: As you can probably tell this is a busy week for me regarding work -- I'm not monitoring the channel very closely |
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| kb9vqf | Resetting..... |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: All right, no hurry. That is why I am sometimes reminded to message not remain sunk deep in history :) |
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| kb9vqf | That works |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2542 filed by aw30@sayne.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2542 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Digikam 0.9.6 selection crash |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise priority of tqt3 ppc64el build? https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/282901 |
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| kb9vqf | Done |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Sjöfn is stuck on Cleaning. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Resetting.... |
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| kb9vqf | Did I mention I was working on acquiring real POWER8 hardware for December? ;-) |
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| SlavekB | Please, you can raise priority of libtqtinterface build? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/282975 |
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| SlavekB | No, you have not mentioned this. That's good news! |
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| kb9vqf | Yeah,
it's expensive, but the company needs to evaluate its performance for
potential use in another area. Benefit of that for TDE is
that a couple of POWER virtual machines won't hurt anything.... |
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| kb9vqf | This is where most of the cash to run TDE comes from BTW: https://raptorengineeringinc.com |
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| kb9vqf | my day job :-) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I understand - on the 'dotRiver', where gave me a virtual machine for builds, have the main usage quite clear :) http://www.dotriver.eu/ |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Yep, looks pretty familiar. They also donated space for the mirror system |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I know - in addition they made a second mirror for my Preliminary stable builds repository. |
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| SlavekB | They probably uses Ubuntu 14.04 on ppc64el. |
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| kb9vqf | sounds correct |
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| SlavekB | In fact, for them I added build for trusty@ppc64el into the preliminary stable builds. |
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| kb9vqf | right, and that's when I went and added first support to QuickBuild as OpenPOWER is a priority target |
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| kb9vqf | so you were somewhat ahead of our processes here in selecting ppc64el :-) |
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| kb9vqf | considering the hardware isn't even generally available this level of support is pretty good IMHO |
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| SlavekB | I wonder when will apear some users interested in Arm64 :) |
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| SlavekB | ...we already are ready for them :) |
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| kb9vqf | QuickBuild doesn't have arm64, I assume you're referring to your builds? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, true, packages are available on the preliminary stable builds. |
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| kb9vqf | Personally
I don't really see the point of ARM trying to expand into servers;
datacenters need higher density, not wasted space like that |
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| SlavekB | However, the source code is ready for build on Arm64. |
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| kb9vqf | ah, ok |
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| kb9vqf | ARM is so popular because the processor stinks |
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| kb9vqf | it's low power computationally, and therefore low power electrically |
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| kb9vqf | most attempts to scale up have lost the power savings advantage |
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| SlavekB | However, mobile devices and cheap desktops could find usage for arm64. |
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| SlavekB | ...and for such a desktops could be TDE a good choice :) |
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| kb9vqf | Yes, there ARM makes sense, though at the prices I've seen (> $2,000 USD) most of the systems are targetted at datacenters |
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| kb9vqf | the consumer systems (~$100 - 200 USD) are 32-bit |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Please, you can raise priority for libtqtinterface on ppc64el? https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/282975 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: done |
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| SlavekB | thank you! |
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| kb9vqf | np |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Sjöfn seems to be stuck |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Reloaded again |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise builds neeeded for tdelibs? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/282938 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283086 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283123 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283160 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283197 |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise builds neeeded for tdelibs? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/282938 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283086 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283123 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283160 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283197 |
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| kb9vqf | done |
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| SlavekB | thank you! |
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| SlavekB | Note - Sjöfn seems to be stuck. |
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| kb9vqf | ...of course it is |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise priority of last two builds neeeded for tdelibs? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283086 |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Meili seems to be stuck. |
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| kb9vqf | resetting |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: and priority for recently mentioned builds? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I thought I rasied it, let me check |
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| kb9vqf | yep, already rased |
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| kb9vqf | *raised |
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| SlavekB | thank you - I see, that arts is now on Njorn |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Where do we stand on release? |
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| Windoze98 | i'm having troubles getting the system notifications to work... does anyone know how I could start diagnosing this? |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: we proceed forward successfully |
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| SlavekB | Are built dependencies, basic packages and libraries. Applications are underway. |
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| SlavekB | please, you can raise priority for tdelibs? https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283271 |
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| kb9vqf | dine |
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| kb9vqf | *done rather |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise priority of caldav, carddav and tdebase? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283012 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283049 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283345 |
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| jentron | what is the name of the settings app? On KDE I think it was kcontrol, but I'm not seeing that in trinity |
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| SlavekB | jentron: On Debian / Ubuntu is package kcontrol-trinity => binary is also kcontrol, as was on KDE3. |
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| jentron | Thanks. I guess I need to fix my profile to include /opt/trinity/bin so I can find these things. :) |
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| SlavekB | If you use starttde, paths is added by this script. |
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| SlavekB | When you do not use TDE session, you need to add paths manually... |
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| jentron | Yes, I'm not running the trinity sessionmanger right now, I'm still setting up/settling into a newly installed system |
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| SlavekB | When you add paths manually, should be useful also set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and XDG_DATA_DIRS - see starttde. |
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| jentron | Thanks SlavekB, maybe I should just reboot into trinity. :) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can raise priority for tdesdk? https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/283606 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Done |
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| SlavekB | thank you! |
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| tbottu | 10ac586133@hotmail.com changed the Status on bug 2536 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 needs packaging, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, REOPENED , New icon theme compatible with TDE: Masalla |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Are you able to access the TDE keyserver? |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Yes, I tried to ask TDE keyserver for my key and I got the right response. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I got an Email earlier saying the keyservers were down |
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| kb9vqf | very odd |
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| kb9vqf | thanks for checking though! |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: For your information: ppc64el are the last packages on which builds we are waiting. All others are successfully built! |
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| kb9vqf | sounds great! |
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| SlavekB | And packages for ppc64el successfully proceed forward. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2543 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2543 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: FTBFS on Fedora 23 / perl 5.22 |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2543 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| raevyn | hello. has anyone installed tde on an kubuntu 14.04 and when trying to log in to it, it errors saying tdeinit couldnt start? |
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| SlavekB | raevyn: you have installed package kgtk-qt3? |
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| raevyn | let me check one moment |
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| raevyn | ugh no.. let me try that ty |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | I'd have a question, please |
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| SemiNus | the taskbar shows me 3 rows of minimized windows |
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| SemiNus | changing the size of the panel does not affect the amount of rows |
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| SemiNus | I would like to set the amount of rows to 2 |
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| SemiNus | and most important of all: The minimized windows should be displayed larger |
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| SemiNus | the buttons are really, really small (the buttons representing the minimized windows in the taskbar) |
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| SemiNus | hi :) |
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| SemiNus | I use trinity desktop again since yesterday |
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| SemiNus | and there are 2 things I wonder about: |
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| SemiNus | a) why does google-chrome *always* get no focus after I open it using the ALT+F2 dialogue window? |
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| SemiNus | b)
Is there something like a device manager available as tray
icon, where I can mount / unmount devices? (like
in KDE 4?) |
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| SlavekB | ad a) I do not know, I run it from the menu, and I not noticed problems |
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| SemiNus | re |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB ! |
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| SemiNus | I am sorry |
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| SlavekB | ad
b) In the current version, there is no tray icon. You can use Konqueror
and url media:/ - Applications to tray will be new in
R14.1.x! |
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| SemiNus | I had a bad discussion on #kde (for version 4) and then I /quit |
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| SemiNus | I am sorry I forgot that I asked something in trinity channel |
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| SemiNus | when is 14.1 to be released? |
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| SlavekB | It will take some time - I expect the first half of 2016. |
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| SlavekB | Application is now a new and will be even more improved :) |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, then I wish you and the team the best :) |
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| SlavekB | thank you! |
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| SemiNus | oh, and about google chrome |
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| SemiNus | how can I prove the problem? |
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| SemiNus | screencast? |
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| SemiNus | or what can I do to should you that there is really a problem? |
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| SemiNus | and one other thing: |
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| SemiNus | xchat starts immediately when I call it from a shell (konsole) |
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| SemiNus | but xchat does *not* start through ALT+F2 |
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| SlavekB | I suppose verbal description of the problem will be sufficient. |
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| SlavekB | SemiNus: Do not hesitate and fill in a bug report :) |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, I am a little afraid of having my words forever in a bugtracker |
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| SemiNus | that will make me thing 2 years of how to write it ^.^ |
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| SemiNus | do you experience the same problem on your system when you run google-chrome via ALT+F2 ? |
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| SlavekB | I usually not use Alt + F2 :) |
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| SlavekB | I gave Alt + F2, wrote "chromium", gave Enter, wait a few minutes and chromium opened as active. |
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| SemiNus | Chromium != Chrome |
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| SemiNus | I use google-chrome |
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| SlavekB | Note: I have not installed google-chrome, chromium only |
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| SemiNus | then I try chromium |
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| SemiNus | I need to start into trinity again |
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| SemiNus | gimme a moment, I show up again in 2 minutes |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, re |
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| SemiNus | I am on trinity now |
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| SemiNus | so, there is a bug with google-chrome |
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| SlavekB | me too ;) |
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| SemiNus | chromium-browser works fine |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, I tried KDE 4 before, but I really dislike it |
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| SlavekB | interesting |
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| SemiNus | I asked for some solutions in #kde and they hated me a lot when I asked them why they changed everything to the worse |
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| SemiNus | usually, people add functionality |
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| SemiNus | KDE 4 changed functionality, and there is a bug, they simply remove the option instead of solving it |
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| SemiNus | I am very happy that trinity desktop exists |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, what I just said was about KDE 4 (!) |
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| SemiNus | not about trinity ! |
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| SlavekB | SemiNus: I understood |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, a few more bugs: |
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| SemiNus | please try ALT+F2 xchat |
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| SemiNus | that does not start |
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| SemiNus | what can I do? |
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| SemiNus | and: how
can I add a shortcut to "konsole" so
that CTRL+Shift+C copies text, and
CTRL+Shift+V pastes text? |
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| SlavekB | I use KDE from beta version of KDE1 and Trinity is for me a logical continuation after KDE3.5 |
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| SlavekB | I have not installed xchat |
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| SemiNus | yes, definitely |
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| SemiNus | hopefully trinity desktop will be continued for a long time |
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| SlavekB | regarding xchat: look into ~/.xsession-errors, if there appear some information. |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, yep, there is an error |
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| SemiNus | I did: |
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| SemiNus | tail -f .xsession-errors |
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| SemiNus | when I type something in ALT+F2 (does not matter what) I get this error: |
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| SemiNus | kdesktop: WARNING: failed to obtain ELF icon: ELF resource section not found |
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| SemiNus | but I guess that is no problem, because I always get this error (no matter what I type) |
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| SlavekB | In settings of the Konsole are Keyboard shortcuts - there are also Copy and Paste. |
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| SemiNus | BUT when I write xchat and press ENTER I get this: |
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| SemiNus | /bin/sh: 1: eeecc: not found |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, where exactly? I can't see any shortcodes? |
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| SemiNus | *shortcuts |
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| SemiNus | Settings -> Configure Konsole |
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| SlavekB | Regardless elf icon - it is only a warning - it does not affect the startup. |
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| SemiNus | /bin/sh: 1: eeecc: not found |
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| SemiNus | |
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| SlavekB | Settiongs => Configure shortcuts |
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| SemiNus | ^ this one does *not* come when I run firefox |
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| SemiNus | the last error message only comes when I try to run xchat |
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| SemiNus | thank you for the shortcuts :)) |
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| SlavekB | This "eeecc" is strange. |
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| SemiNus | when I run xchat in "konsole", I get *no* message at all |
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| SemiNus | xchat starts then |
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| SlavekB | try: file $(which xchat) |
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| SemiNus | /usr/bin/xchat:
ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked
(uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32,
BuildID[sha1]=e1ee91a574d75886c56f8e1875b8a70382bea22b, stripped |
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| SlavekB | Try to type in Alt+F2 dialog full path to xchat. |
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| SemiNus | that works |
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| SemiNus | is this the only solution? |
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| SemiNus | or can I fix that anyhow? |
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| SlavekB | it seems like a problem with xchat.desktop file. |
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| SemiNus | I just really start partying here :) |
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| SemiNus | trinity is cool :) |
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| SlavekB | However, I do not see anything suspicious in this file. |
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| SemiNus | let me try something... I have an idea |
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| SemiNus | wait a moment |
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| SemiNus | hahahaha :))) |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, I solved it |
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| SemiNus | do you want to know how? |
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| SemiNus | it's really a bad way to solve it, but it works :) |
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| SlavekB | So, what was the problem? |
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| SemiNus | I only know the solution: |
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| SemiNus | cd /usr/bin/ |
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| SemiNus | mv xchat xchat2 |
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| SemiNus | cat > xchat |
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| SemiNus | /usr/bin/xchat2 |
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| SemiNus | CTRL+C |
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| SemiNus | chmod 777 xchat |
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| SemiNus | then you can run ALT+F2 "xchat" |
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| SemiNus | isn't that cool? :) |
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| SlavekB | interesting |
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| SemiNus | then there is an other problem: tray icons sometimes open in seperate windows |
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| SemiNus | I have a screenshot which proves that |
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| SemiNus | e.g. google chrome, xchat, etc. |
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| SemiNus | all the applications which have tray icons sometimes do not add the tray icon to the tray |
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| SemiNus | they open the tray icon in a window |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, sorry if that was asked too much ^.^ |
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| SlavekB | You ask about applications that I not use :) |
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| SemiNus | sorry about that :( |
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| SemiNus | despite of that: I LOVE TRINITY |
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| SemiNus | thank you and also thank Timothy |
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| SemiNus | it's great :) |
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| SemiNus | it is *fast* |
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| SemiNus | and it works as expected |
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| SemiNus | no surprises like in KDE 4 |
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| SemiNus | bug in gwenview (crashes) |
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| SemiNus | (just found out that) |
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| SlavekB | on start? |
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| SlavekB | on openning image? |
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| SemiNus | on start |
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| SemiNus | I have a screenshot of the error message |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, 1 last thing: |
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| SemiNus | mounting / unmounting |
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| SemiNus | there is a harddrive attached to my computer already when it boots |
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| SemiNus | so there will pop up no dialoque window because I do *not* attach it later |
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| SemiNus | it's attached to the PC at the boot already |
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| SemiNus | the only way I found to mount this device is: |
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| SemiNus | kwrite => CTRL + O => click the harddrive |
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| SlavekB | you can use url media:/ in konqueror |
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| SemiNus | then, I cannot unmount it via /media/ any more in konqueror |
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| SemiNus | oh |
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| SemiNus | I am sorry I did it wrong |
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| SemiNus | I typed /media/ |
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| SemiNus | it was media;/ ;) |
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| SemiNus | thx |
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| SemiNus | can I add the command "konqueror media:/" to my tray icons? |
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| SlavekB | I use the link on the home page of Konqueror running a Web browser :) |
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| SemiNus | ok I will create a command in /usr/bin/ |
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| SlavekB | it should be enough to make desktop file. |
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| SemiNus | true that |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, thank you very much for your exhausting help! |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| SemiNus | sorry
that there were so many questions at a time, but I switched
back to trinity yesterday, so all of those questions occured
at the same time |
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| SemiNus | thank you again! |
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| SemiNus | see you soon, have a great evening :) |
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| Borg^Queen | hello people |
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| Borg^Queen | Is anyone up for a camera challenge? gphoto2 on alexanders remaster isn't working it seems. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Please, you can raise priority for a few remaining R14.0.2 builds? https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+builds?build_state=pending |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Hmmm, that might take a while. I'm going to see if there's an API-based solution or not |
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| SlavekB | I
hoped that they are in queue before nightly, but apparently not,
because the last half a day running a series of builds from nightly. |
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| Borg^Queen | hi,
I've figured out that gphoto2 is buggy. I don't know if that's a
trinity build (the packages says so) but it seems to crash when
attempting to access a camera |
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| Borg^Queen | gtkam doesn't use it so it works. |
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| Borg^Queen | oh wait it seems to use gphoto2 |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, I do not know how are built packages for PCLinuxOS. |
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| Borg^Queen | Not to worry. I just wondered if this is a wide bug or specific |
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| SlavekB | I know that for Debian and Ubuntu is used gphoto from distribution. |
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| Borg^Queen | do they have any problems? |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately I do not have tested it. |
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| SlavekB | I do not know if I have a device for which I would use gphoto... |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| Borg^Queen | not to worry |
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| Borg^Queen | well gn to all |
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| yselkowitz | so is it not possible to use qt3 to build tde R14.0.1? |
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| SlavekB | For R14.0.0 and newer is used TQt3. |
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| yselkowitz | :-( |
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| yselkowitz | at first tqtinterface looks like it should handle the differences between them |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
TQt3 is in principle qt3 with builtin tqt interface. But probably no
one in recent times test whether R14.x can be built with base qt3. |
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| yselkowitz | I just did |
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| yselkowitz | tdelibs failed at tdefx due to missing TQStyleControlElementData |
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| SlavekB | Ha, it seems that TQStyleControlElementData is not treated in tqt interface. |
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| yselkowitz | could that just be added to tqtinterface if !HAVE_REAL_TQT? |
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| yselkowitz | no it's not |
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| SlavekB | now I look into tqtinterface - here is in tqt.h: |
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| SlavekB | #define
TQStyleControlElementData
QStyleControlElementData |
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| yselkowitz | but there is no QStyleControlElementData in qt3 |
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| yselkowitz | this is an api new to tqt3 |
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| SlavekB | You need Qt3 from Trinity git repository. |
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| SlavekB | The internal version number is as Qt 3.5 |
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| SlavekB | You cannot use Qt 3.3. |
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| yselkowitz | wait, you have a qt3 and tqt3? |
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| SlavekB | In
any case we recommended to use TQt3 rather than Qt3.5, because use
Qt3.5 would require update and rebuild of existing Qt3 applications! |
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| SlavekB | Qt3 is maintained, but for Trinity R14.x is now always used TQt3. |
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| yselkowitz | from the distro pov a separate tqt3 isn't optimal |
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| SlavekB | Thanks to this original Qt3.3 may coexist on the same machine with TQt3. |
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| yselkowitz | but it means you have to duplicate everything |
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| yselkowitz | e.g. fedora still ships qt3/arts/kdelibs3 |
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| SlavekB | However, for build is need to have only TQt3. |
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| yselkowitz | arts support in kdelibs3 requires libqtmcop |
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| yselkowitz | for tdelibs you would need a libtqtmcop right? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| yselkowitz | which means building your arts, not kde's |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| yselkowitz | which would then break kdelibs3 |
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| yselkowitz | and so on for everything else which still carries qt3 support |
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| SlavekB | You can see how it solves François in Trinity packages for RPM based distributions. |
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| yselkowitz | ? |
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| SlavekB | On Debian / Ubuntu is Trinity located in separate /opt/trinity folder. |
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| yselkowitz | I thought the point of R14.0 was to not clash with kde? |
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| yselkowitz | which would imply no need for /opt (which, pardon the pun, is suboptimal) |
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| SlavekB | It was renamed many classes, several applications, but many continue to use the original names - such as Konqueror, KMail,... |
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| yselkowitz | and here I thought those were all going to be renamed in R14 :-( |
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| SlavekB | Renaming everything completely would require much, much more effort. |
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| SlavekB | Remember that Trinity, including all applications is many times greater project than, for example Mate. |
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| yselkowitz | oh I know, I've been packaging kde for years |
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| yselkowitz | but I still thought that was all part of R14 |
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| yselkowitz | are all the shared libraries renamed? |
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| SlavekB | All base dependencies for Trinity - tqt, dbus-tqt, avahi-tqt, etc was renamed == can coexists with original dbus-qt3, avahi-qt3. |
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| SlavekB | Many
base Trinity libraries was rename - tdecore, tdeprint,... however, it
is recommended to put a complete Trinity in a separate folder. |
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| yselkowitz | what about libkonq? libkipi? etc. |
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| yselkowitz | libkdegames? |
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| SlavekB | They
should not interfere with the versions from KDE4 (in KDE4 probably have
newer so version), but it probably would cause a collision with KDE3
libraries. |
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| yselkowitz | :-( |
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| SlavekB | tdegames was renamed, but libkonq not. |
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| yselkowitz | well, not the answer I was hoping for, but thanks for your help |
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| SlavekB | We
do not have enough developers. And we prefer the necessary move forward
(tdehw library for replace hal, etc.) before renaming, which require a
lot of effort and for common users brings no benefit. |
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| yselkowitz | imho renaming is prerequisite to inclusion in distros |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is absolutely clear! |
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| SlavekB | Therefore
currently is no effort to integrate Trinity as a standard part of
distributions. It is clear to us that in this moment is not possible to
think about that. |
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| SlavekB | It could say that the Trinity is the largest desktop environment independent of any distribution :) |
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| yselkowitz | but inclusoin in distros is a necessary step for building user base (and eventually contributions as well) |
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| SlavekB | This makes it a bit ironic that currently has the support for the greatest number of versions of the distributions. |
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| SlavekB | Look
at the list of supported versions of Debian and Ubuntu, look at the
list of supported versions of RPM based distributions. And for all is
available the latest version of the Trinity. |
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| yselkowitz | well it's your choice, but I'd think you'd be better off being *in* the distros |
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| SlavekB | Yes, sure, it would have been better. |
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| yselkowitz | in any case, I understand now what is going on, and I'll have to reassess my plans to build this myself |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, renaming absolutely everything requires more effort than we have available hands. |
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| SlavekB | You looked at the rpm packages prepared by François? |
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| yselkowitz | I was actually looking at packaging this for cygwin |
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| SlavekB | François makes great efforts to support the many rpm based distributions. |
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| SlavekB | wow, cygwin == Trinity for Windows? |
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| yselkowitz | sort of |
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| yselkowitz | cygwin != mingw |
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| yselkowitz | cygwin is a *nix/x11 environment which runs on windows |
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| SlavekB | yes, I know |
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| yselkowitz | I've been packaging kde for cygwin since the late 3.x days |
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| SlavekB | I sometimes use mingw based tools and also and cygwin based tools. |
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| SlavekB | Now I understand why collisions of libraries and binaries is for you a greater problem than official Trinity packages. |
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| yselkowitz | yep, no rpath |
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| yselkowitz | you may know me as cygwinports |
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| SlavekB | we are often surprised by what port users interested. |
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| SlavekB | For example, ports for *BSD distributions. |
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| yselkowitz | I'm
not surprised, both the technical requirements and interface changes to
gnome 3 and plasma 5 have made many search for alternatives,
particularly on non-linux platforms which seem to often be forgotten |
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| SlavekB | the reason was little support for OpenBSD and greater support for FreeBSD. |
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| SlavekB | *BSD world seems to be quite fragmented :) |
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| yselkowitz | yes, unfortunately true |
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| yselkowitz | but thanks for pointing out the fedora rpms, I'm curious to try those on my fedora system |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, François is currently working on packages for Fedora 23 |
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| yselkowitz | I'm still on f22 |
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| SlavekB | by the way, soon will be released Trinity R14.0.2 |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, it is pleased for us that, although we are for some very
evil, there are a number of other users who are interested. |
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| yselkowitz | I understand there is no evil intent here, just a technical impediment |
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| yselkowitz | it would just be nice to see that overcome |
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| yselkowitz | hmm, the .repo file for f22 points to a nonexistent mirrorlist? |
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| SlavekB | As
the evil I had not in the mind you :) The main developer of kwin had
previously need to very intensively proclaim that we are very bad. |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/f22/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/ |
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| yselkowitz | yes I found it but the repo files should be fixed |
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| SlavekB | repodata are wrong? |
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| yselkowitz | I installed the repo file per https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/FedoraInstall#For_Fedora_22_.28R14.0.1.29 |
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| yselkowitz | but the trinity.repo file therein pointed to http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/f22/trinity-r14-x86_64.list |
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| yselkowitz | which doesn't exist |
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| SlavekB | Ah, I see it. |
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| SlavekB | Please, you can fill bug report? |
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| SlavekB | I suppose that François can fix it quickly. |
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| yselkowitz | wow, just started tde on f22, that brings back some memories |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | welcome back at home :) |
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| yselkowitz | your bz is a bit slow... |
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| SlavekB | ? |
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| yselkowitz | filed bug 2544 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2544 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , trinity.repo points to nonexistent mirrorlist |
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| kb9vqf | ysellkowitz: RAID array is currently rebuilding from SAS disk failure, it will have better performance tommorrow :-) |
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| yselkowitz | kb9vqf, that would explain it |
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| kb9vqf | yeah, sorry about that. You have impeccable timing, first disk failure in years :-) |
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| yselkowitz | I always have good timing :-S |
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| SlavekB | I have to go away - I will be offline for several hours... |
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| yselkowitz | thanks for the clarification SlavekB |
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| SlavekB | yselkowitz: you're welcome |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: please, you can verify priority of tdeaddons and rosegarden? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/284052 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/287469 |
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| SlavekB | they
are two of the latest builds... Rosegarden failed probably due to drive
failure and perhaps because of this could be at the end of queue. |
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| a-865 | can openSUSE 42.1 users use either the 13.1 or 13.2 repo, or must they wait for a dedicated repo? |
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| SlavekB | a-865:
Unfortunately I have no idea how much different versions of libraries
are used, and if it can cause a problem of dependencies for Trinity. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2545 filed by darrella@clovermail.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2545 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: kdbusnotification FTBFS |
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| SlavekB | a-865:
it would be better to ask on the mailing list - there may react
François, who has a much better overview of RPM based distributions. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: Ok |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2545 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2545 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Build issue: kdbusnotification FTBFS |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Please, you can raise priority for last two builds? |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/284052 |
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| SlavekB | https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/main-r14/+build/287469 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Done |
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| SlavekB | Thank you! |
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| kb9vqf | np |
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| fusion809 | Hey
guys, I was just wondering why PKGBUILDS haven't been written for TDE
and its various components, so that Arch users don't have to manually
compile Trinity and all of its several components in order to use it |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf:
how much developers are in TDE? I'm afraid that number of additional
applications in TDE (games, tools, toys) might be too much effort for
small group of developers. |
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| kb9vqf | skrzyp:
Three core developers at present, none of whome have much time but
Slavek has essentially taken on the release maintainer role |
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| skrzyp | wait wait wait |
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| kb9vqf | skrzyp: Fortunately as TDE is relatively stable and mature software not much maintainance is needed |
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| skrzyp | only THREEE developers for about ~1 GB of sources? |
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| skrzyp | E* |
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| kb9vqf | See previous comments on relatively mature ;-) |
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| skrzyp | ah, okay |
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| kb9vqf | Remember TDE was forked from essentially the finished KDE 3.x series product |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf: which version of GTK3 I need to use gtk3-tqt engine? The current one in Debian repo is crashing every gtk3 app |
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| skrzyp | I'm going to attach a screenshot, gimme a sec |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf: https://sr.ht/wGQX.png |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2546 filed by darrella@clovermail.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2546 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , GTK3 Style Engine erases user defined settings |
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| tbottu | 10ac586133@hotmail.com changed the Status on bug 2534 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2534 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, TDEHWLIB : TDE detects USB external cd/dvd burner as floppy disk drive |
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| kb9vqf | skrzyp: Sorry for the delay; just stopped by to check for something else and sway your message |
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| kb9vqf | *saw |
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| kb9vqf | That
particular software is alpha quality at best; I wrote it years ago by
now when GTK wasn't really stable, and eventually got frustrated enough
by GTK's limitations that I stopped working on it until GTK's API and
capabilities matured somewhat |
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| kb9vqf | You can still see the bug reports I filed on the GTK bugtracker for some of the most irritating issues |
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| skrzyp | GTK API changes every release |
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| skrzyp | soo... -.- |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf: what should I do to get uniform GTK and Qt look then? |
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| kb9vqf | skrzyp: Not much you can do other than to start hacking on the theme engine :-) |
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| skrzyp | meh, those them engines mostly sucks |
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| kb9vqf | You know KDE SC 5 and Gnome only "integrate" because someone created the same theme for both platforms, right? |
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| skrzyp | does qtcurve is available to tde? |
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| kb9vqf | so basically you're stuck on one or two themes forever if you want the same look |
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| kb9vqf | yes, it's there |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf: Is that very hard to package TDE in another distribution than redhat/debian based? |
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| kb9vqf | skrzyp: It shouldn't be, no, you just have to get the dependencies in order |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf:
I use Void Linux on my desk, which is independent (but mature)
distribution, uses own package manager where packages are generated from
template files, like some sh scripts with some built-in functions |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf: example pkg: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/voidlinux/void-packages/master/srcpkgs/bomi/template |
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| kb9vqf | skrzyp: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| kb9vqf | you should be able to start from there |
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| skrzyp | kb9vqf: so I should package about ~300 pkgs, it might need separate repo… |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2547 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2547 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KPDF not working on Debian Jessie |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people I'm currently getting this warning; couldn't find charset data for locale c; using iso 8859-1 |
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| Borg^Queen | This is Ali's pclos remaster |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm trying to figure out how to fix it wo a reinstall. |
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| pitriss | hi.. this is i think not trinitys fault.. |
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| pitriss | try to reinstall locale files. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, just did, but I think I'm going to uninstall them and reinstall |
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| Borg^Queen | because I can log in as another user. |
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| Borg^Queen | let's see what happens |
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| pitriss | ok |
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| Borg^Queen | ah, I see your reply now lol |
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| pitriss | did it helped?:) |
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| Borg^Queen | just about to see |
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| Borg^Queen | yes it did thanks |
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| pitriss | youre welcome:) |
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| Borg^Queen | now I need to figure out how to kill off kde and leave trinity |
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| pitriss | that depends on your distro.. |
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| Borg^Queen | pclos |
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| Borg^Queen | it's Ali's remaster |
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| pitriss | idk that distro.. I'm using debian wheezy.. but PC LOS doesn't have apt-get.. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok all good so far. I've removed kdm leaving tdm |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks for listening, I appreciate it. |
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| pitriss | anytime:) |
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| Borg^Queen | :) |
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| Borg^Queen | ok have to pause me experiments. two crakmonkeys are coming over |
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| Borg^Queen | oh crap they're dragging desktops with them. Wish me luck. |
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| pitriss | lol, good luck then.. |
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| Borg^Queen | >: |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, not sure if you are here at this time, I only wanted to say THANK YOU :) |
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| SemiNus | You helped me a *lot* the last time. |
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| SemiNus | I *love* using trinity-desktop! |
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| SemiNus | trinity is exactly what I need for my daily work life |
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| SemiNus | I am very, very grateful to you, SlavekB, and also to you, Timothy, that you made this project come true |
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| SemiNus | I love trinity desktop :) |
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| SemiNus | thank you again! |
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| SemiNus | bye bye :) |
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| BQ-AFK | :) |
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| BQ-AFK | bye |
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| SemiNus | hi BQ-AFK :) |
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| BQ-AFK | hi |
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| SemiNus | BQ-AFK, but hey for real, it's the best desktop out there :) |
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| SemiNus | It does exactly what I need, being a programmer, I need the desktop to work |
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| SemiNus | and trinity works perfectly :) |
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| SemiNus | good night :) |
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| notebook | hello can i ask here if i have some problem on TDE ? |
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| pitriss | try it:) |
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| notebook | thanks, if i run krusader with using tdesu i see on konsole: |
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| notebook | Error: "/var/tmp/tdecache-notebook" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. |
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| notebook | Error: "/tmp/tdesocket-notebook" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. |
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| notebook | tdeio
(KMimeMagic): WARNING: [bool KMimeMagic::mergeConfig(const
TQString&)] KMimeMagic::mergeConfig disabled due to buggy libmagic
version 514 |
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| notebook | krusader: WARNING: [KMimeMagic::KMimeMagic()] Failed to parse /etc/trinity/magic/tdeio.magic |
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| notebook | firstime using chat, interesting how its works |
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| pitriss | :) |
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| pitriss | So i don't have tdeio.magic file.. |
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| pitriss | and does it run as expected? |
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| pitriss | because i'm getting too many *magic* errors/warnings and krusader is working fine |
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| pitriss | and about first error.. You can try to use tdesudo instead tdesu maybe. (if you are using sudo of course) |
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| notebook | krusader run ok, but when i edit some file, its not possible save this file because of permission |
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| notebook | for example in kate text editor |
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| notebook | and sorry for my english and thanks |
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| notebook | so with tdesudo its same error on konsole |
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| pitriss | also that error about uid 1000? |
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| pitriss | weird |
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| notebook | yes |
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| pitriss | its strange for me because I have also owned these directories by me (uid 1000) and I have no error.. |
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| notebook | hmmm ..i dont know whats wrong |
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| pitriss | maybe setting of tdesu.. |
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| pitriss | because in my system tdesu is symlink for tdesudo |
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| notebook | i will try and thank you for your time and help, i want work with TDE, i remember when i was on KDE3 on opensuse, it was best |
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| notebook | i use Mint 17.2 now |
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| pitriss | Ok.. I'm using debian wheezy:) You can try to ask later or wait till someone else try to answer your question:) |
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| notebook | ok..thank you :) have a nice day |
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| pitriss | notebook: ask slavek he is really skilled developer..:) |
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| notebook | i will try it |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | short question: |
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| SemiNus | I tried this: |
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| SemiNus | "Start" => Trinity Control Center => Peripherals => Mouse => [x] Single-click to open files and folders |
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| SemiNus | however, I still have to double-click when I want to open a folder / file in the Open-Dialogue window of kwrite |
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| SemiNus | any ideas what to change? |
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| SemiNus | I try to restart KDE |
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| SemiNus | maybe that helps... |
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| MutantTurkey | kb9vqf: this trinity-users list is fuckin' absurd |
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| ShadowM00n | sorry
if I missed something already existing, but has anyone else had issues
installing trinity on Ubuntu Wily due to a missing package? |
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| SlavekB | ShadowM00n: missing packages? |
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| ShadowM00n | yes, libxp6 in particular |
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| SlavekB | you have apt sources for Trinity set to willy? |
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| ShadowM00n | I do, yes |
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| SlavekB | Ah,
I see it! On libxp6 depends only metapackage kubuntu-desktop-trinity.
You can successfully install individual Trinity packages. |
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| ShadowM00n | looking around, it looks like libxp6 was removed from Wily for some reason |
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| SlavekB | Later I'll look at it to prepare a quick fix for R14.0.2... |
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| SlavekB | ShadowM00n: Thank you! |
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| ShadowM00n | glad I was able to help, then |
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| SlavekB | well, here is origin: |
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| SlavekB | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657253 |
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| ShadowM00n | makes sense |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2548 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2548 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KStars failing to install "hot new stuff" |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| selk | hi |
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| selk | it's trinity more light (in resources) than the original kde3? |
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| Borg^Queen | about the same, maybe a little less. |
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| pitriss | Guys
i want to ask.. when I'm shutting down my laptop, it is asking about
some sending notifications or abort them.. But on desktop I have no such
thing.. how I can autoforce abort on laptop? |
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| Borg^Queen | not following |
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| Borg^Queen | You tried to shutdown and it stopped halfway and is hanging there? |
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| pitriss | nope.. its timed dialog which ask if i want to wait till some shutdown notification are sent or abort them |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry about the delay. I've been trying to figure out why ksevicemenus weren't working. |
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| Borg^Queen | Oh you're seeing the application shutdown notification. A rectangular dialog yes? |
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| Borg^Queen | ok me time is up. I'm off. gn or day to all. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
hi, please can you explain to me why on my laptop i see dialog with
"sending shutdown notifications" while shutting down and how i can
disable that?:) |
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| SlavekB | In Trinity Control Center / TDE Components / Session you can disable Show logout status dialog. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: so it will stop asking about aboir that? Thank you:) |
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| pitriss | *abort |
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| pitriss | but
err.. I have it enabled on desktop and it doesn't show such dialog when
shutting down.. wait sec I will try to explain more that dialog:) |
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| SlavekB | This disable the use of the window displaying the progress of the end of the session. |
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| pitriss | ahh.. i want to force "abort send notification" |
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| SlavekB | However,
if the problem is that some application does not respond to a signal to
end of session, will be addressed this application. |
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| SlavekB | If
I remember correctly, the time for waiting to response from
applications can not be changed in the settings. Only at build time. |
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| pitriss | that dialog says "skip notification" or "abort logout request"... Is there way to force "skip notification" without asking?:) |
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| pitriss | hmm
maybe could be better to add checkbox with "remember my answer"..
because I don't see any missing application when my laptop statrs |
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| pitriss | so I don't suppose there is any app closed in wrong way.. |
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| SlavekB | The
procedure is this: Is sent a signal about end of session to
applications and is given time to respond. If some of application do not
respond within a given time, the user gets to decide whether to wait,
or force termination. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
ok now i understand.. so I have no other way how to force any option..
Is there way how to see which app is causing this? |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: I hope there is way to track down that app..:) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2549 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2549 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Users created in KUser don't appear in TDM |
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| Borg^Queen | hi
people I've noticed that trinity is centering the desktop icons when
loading the desktop. how do I stop it from rearranging the icons? |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen:
err right click desktop, desktop settings => behavior and there on
second tab is "align icons" checkbox.. sorry my system is not in english
so I can't tell you exactly |
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| Borg^Queen | no to worry I'll check again. I did look but pppphhh, never hurts to check again. I've often missed things. |
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| Borg^Queen | you mean behavior, file icons, automatically line up icons (it's not checked off so not active) is that what you meant? |
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| pitriss | yep.. |
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| pitriss | weird then.. |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: hmm another idea |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| pitriss | right click desktop => icons => lock icons |
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| Borg^Queen | tried that too, doesn't work |
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| pitriss | then its probably bug |
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| Borg^Queen | agreed |
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| pitriss | but it happened also on original KDE 3.5 that hidden panel caused moved icons.. |
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| Borg^Queen | explain |
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| pitriss | (thats what I remember) |
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| Borg^Queen | can you expand on it? |
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| pitriss | when
I had hidden kicker on left size, then after start, it appeared as
visible for tiny while which caused moving (and rearranging) of icons |
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| Borg^Queen | ah I don't have auto hid on |
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| Borg^Queen | Yes, I do remember that |
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| pitriss | :) ok then I have no idea why your icons are rearranged.. mine are ok.. |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm, what distro? |
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| pitriss | debian wheezy.. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah, |
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| pitriss | I don't like systemd, so wheezy is only option for me now... devuan is still too hacky.. |
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| Borg^Queen | That's why I don't use debian anymore, systemd |
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| Borg^Queen | /: |
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| pitriss | there is too much disappointing things around debian last days.. |
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| pitriss | wheezy is OK tho.. |
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| Borg^Queen | Aye, |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm thinking of going slackware, I like the philosophy of including devel packages |
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| pitriss | I just not decided to leave debian.. I still hope that reason can win there:) |
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| Borg^Queen | I hope so too. |
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| Borg^Queen | I just don't trust systemd |
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| Borg^Queen | Something about it, makes me uneasy |
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| pitriss | For
me its breaking unix philosophy main reason why I don't like that
tool.. not readable logs, its doing many things and nobody knows what
exactly it is doing.. |
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| Borg^Queen | exactly |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you that's exactly what bothers me. It's trying to do too much and it isn't transparent |
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| pitriss | I love those tiny tools doing exactly what they should.. I love to chaining them to do more complex tasks..:) |
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| Borg^Queen | exactly, I want to be in control |
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| Borg^Queen | if I wanted to be told what to do by software, I'd got to apple or MS |
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| pitriss | exactly..:) |
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| pitriss | but there is not many distros without systemd.. gentoo, LFS.. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, that's scary |
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| pitriss | so
I hope in BSD port working flawlesly.. There is no point to change
distros.. when change, then it doesn't matter if its smaller or bigger..
both needs learning of something new.. so why not BSD.. there Lennart
have (almost) no influence.. and there seems developement be more
conservative |
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| pitriss | Only thing what I need is some sane DE like Trinity.:) |
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| Borg^Queen | I also hate pulse audio for that matter |
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| Borg^Queen | true |
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| pitriss | Pulse audio is also great bloatware.. but.. there is reason to use it on some sucky onboard soundcards without hardware mixer.. |
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| pitriss | because setting .asoundrc correctly can be really pain:) |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| pitriss | I have SB Live! so I have no problem:) |
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| Borg^Queen | me too, SB Audigy |
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| Borg^Queen | I love SB, even though the company is a little turdy |
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| pitriss | hehe this HW can't be wrong choice these days.. last pieces of really good HW for good price:) |
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| pitriss | I
don't judge companies too much.. even bad company can produce good
products.. like MS and their Xpads.. they are surprisingly durable..
they can handle really rough gaming:D |
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| Borg^Queen | ah lol xpads are outsourced to another company. MS just rebrands them |
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| pitriss | and xpad is more ergonomic than playstation like gamepads.. even If I prefer logitech, they have no gamepad with xpad layout |
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| pitriss | really? I didn't did any research..:) |
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| pitriss | but i love these gamepads... |
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| Borg^Queen | they are good game pads |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm currently retrieving data from an 486 133mhz computer with a 1.6g hd |
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| Borg^Queen | it's an antique |
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| pitriss | still better than dosbox for playing good old games:D |
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| Borg^Queen | You read me mind. I'm saving to play dos games, Descent, Terminator etc |
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| pitriss | yeah:D |
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| pitriss | My friend had 486 laptop.. I wanted it as great replacement for gameboy:D |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| pitriss | I wasn't surprised that he decided to keep that awesome piece of HW:D |
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| Borg^Queen | oh selfish |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| Borg^Queen | does anyone else have the problem of desktop icon centering and aligning when the desktop loads? |
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| Borg^Queen | ah this is interesting it only happens as one user. the rest are fine. Is there a file I can delete modify? |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: try to compare settings of these users:) |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm going old school and moving .trinity and letting it rebuild |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people I'm getting R14 update error dialog boxes on boot |
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| Borg^Queen | the txt mentions three things, let me get the list |
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| Borg^Queen | kde-noatun.desktop, kde-d3lphin.desktop |
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| Borg^Queen | nm fixed it |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks |
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| pitriss | hi I just noticed that you released 14.0.2. is there any mirror containing it to not overload main server? |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: What distribution? |
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| pitriss | wheezy |
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| SlavekB | I would say that you not need affraid about overload the primary server. |
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| SlavekB | ...if you use apt source address mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ok i will try..:) |
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| SlavekB | Once the packages lists will be updated on mirrors, should be also available packages for most distributions. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ok.. i'm trying to update now but its slow.. so maybe will be better to wait till mirrors will be updated too.. |
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| SlavekB | and you're on apt source mirror.ppa....? |
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| SlavekB | I still do not see on mirrors an updated apt lists. |
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| pitriss | mirror.ppa is 302 to ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net and I already have this in my sources.list |
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| SlavekB | mirror.ppa uses 302 depending on where the packages are available. |
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| SlavekB | if you have in apt sources stated specifically ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net, you do not use mirror.ppa. |
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| tbottu | 10jorgebr51@yahoo.com.br changed the Status on bug 2456 from NEW --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2456 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, close session with VNC also close other open sessions |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2550 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2550 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KMail not recognizing renamed/removed mail transport |
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| pitriss | Hi guys.. I wamt to report broken repo for wheezy.. it ends up with 301 moved permanently and can't find files |
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| SlavekB | Redirector on a quickbuild currently contains bug. |
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| SlavekB | You
can either wait until it's repaired, or change apt source to a new
redirector and wait until R14.0.2 will be published on the mirrors :) |
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| pitriss | ok i can wait.. |
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| kb9vqf | pitriss: Sorry, it's the Thanksgiving holiday over here and my system access is spotty. Should be fixed |
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| pitriss | Ok thanks:) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: redirector on master server is fixed! |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ohh thanks:) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: download speed was also interesting? ;) |
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| pitriss | yep it was..:D few minutes instead of hours..:) |
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| SlavekB | because are downloaded from mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org, instead of from the master server :) |
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| pitriss | ahh great:) |
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| pitriss | thank you guys for such great job:) |
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| SlavekB | thanks
to it is now well on both sides - most users will download packages
quickly, while synchronization to the mirros is not slowed by users! |
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| pitriss | yeah great solution..:) |
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| kb9vqf | We
now effectively have a thee-tier mirroring system, which isn't too
shabby for a small open source project not renting infrastructure from a
large corporation ;-) |
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| kb9vqf | Slavek's
system is backup + level 1 cache / mirror, and the other two levels are
largely from dedicated open source mirroring organizations |
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| SlavekB | Well, as a reward I am going to prepare dinner for myself ;) |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: gn |
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| |avalon| | ehlo :) |
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| |avalon| | anyone available for support ? |
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| |avalon| | problem is about installing on centos 7, lot of broken dependencies |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2551 filed by danilo.bogdanov@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2551 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDE fails to install on Centos 7 because of broken dependencies |
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| pat | hey people having trouble connecting to wifi with wpa |
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| pitriss | try to use eg network manager, wicd or so. |
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| pat | ok wicd |
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| pat | I've tried several apps but I get this msg |
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| pat | ==>stderr: Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: Not a directory |
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| pitriss | I can't help you as I have no wifi device on my desktop:) |
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| pitriss | so I have no idea about wpa supplicant |
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| pat | ah |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Maintainence complete; came within a few minutes of restoration time :-D |
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| SlavekB | I see a build LibreOffice will probably remain in the queue and ran without help. |
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| kb9vqf | good to know |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: topis here could be updated to R14.0.2 :) |
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| SlavekB | *topic |
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| *** kb9vqf changes topic to "Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.2 is out [http://bit.ly/1Nkq5mZ]! Get it at https://www.trinitydesktop.org Also, consider joining the Trinity mailing lists [http://bit.ly/hZ83mF]. IRC will be most active/helpful during business hours in the USA. BOTW #1998 Support the Project! [http://bit.ly/pmkMVB]" |
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| Anastasia | :-): |
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| Anastasia | W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 509 Maximum Instantaneous Bandwidth Exceeded |
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| Anastasia | :-) |
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| SlavekB | Anastasia: you should use mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org instead of ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net |
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| Anastasia | Ah, been a while since I set this up :). Thanks. |
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| Anastasia | Just change "/ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net" to "mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org" ? Anything else? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, exactly |
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| Anastasia | Thanks! |
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| Anastasia | Works :-), much quicker too. |
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| Anastasia | Thanks again! |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| Anastasia | Got to get this on the lappy, mint 17.2 with {rech, heave} kde4.... |
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| pitriss | Hi guys.. Does anyone using Klipper actions? |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| Space_Man | Borg^Queen: have you fixed your desktop window icon problem? |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2552 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2552 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Long-standing TDE (KDE3 too) bug: KDesktop bug at startup on slower PCs |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2553 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Adding this new startup splash screen for TDE: Architecture |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2554 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2554 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Adding this new startup splash screen for TDE: Architecture |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2555 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2555 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , At least KuickShow and MoodinKDE show low quality resized pictures |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2392 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, PATCHAVAIL , Fedora 21 does not fully recognize ogg files |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2392 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Fedora 21 does not fully recognize ogg files |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2543 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2543 normal, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: FTBFS on Fedora 23 / perl 5.22 |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2442 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2442 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Ruby: uninitialized constant Qt::TQt in qtruby.rb |
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| yselkowitz | is there a procedure for reporting security vulnerabilities in tde? |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2556 filed by yselkowi@redhat.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2556 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [SECURITY] CVE-2015-7543: arts,tdelibs: Use of mktemp(3) allows attacker to hijack the IPC |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2557 filed by mrmazda@earthlink.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2557
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [openSUSE] /opt/trinity/bin/starttde
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2557 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2557
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , [openSUSE]
/opt/trinity/bin/starttde missing from $PATH, and will not run from
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| tbottu | 10mrmazda@earthlink.net changed the Status on bug 2557 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2557
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [openSUSE] /opt/trinity/bin/starttde
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| Borg^Queen | hi any one up? |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2417 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, pkglist.x86_64 not found |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1913 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, krandr wrong options to xrandr |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 1875 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1875
blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: libtqt-perl
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2558 filed by trin@3111skyline.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2558 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , katepart - find & replace - Placeholder Help Missing |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people |
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| Borg^Queen | chalk (krita) isn't recognizing it's own file format |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: I fear that this may be the result of many renaming that had been implemented. Please, can you fill bug report? |
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| Borg^Queen | ok I'll try. Never actually file one before. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm going to research it first. See if this hasn't come up in the past. |
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| Borg^Queen | it ONLY affect chalk |
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| pitriss | Hi guys, please what is correct format of exception line in kcontrol =>Components=>Session manager? |
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| pitriss | i want to put there multiple apps and IDK correct delimiter |
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| Space_Man | "Finally,
you can enter a colon (:) separated list of applications that should
not be saved in sessions, and therefore won't be started when restoring a
session. For example xterm:konsole." |
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| Space_Man | sometimes the help button actually does have some useful info :P |
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| pitriss | lol but its rare when help button is actually helpful:D |
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| pitriss | thank you:) |
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| pitriss | and lol, my help says comma.. err.. some black magic is done here.. |
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| pitriss | I guess localizations aren't updated after change.. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2556 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSIGNED , [SECURITY] CVE-2015-7543: arts,tdelibs: Use of mktemp(3) allows attacker to hijack the IPC |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2558 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2558 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , katepart - find & replace - Placeholder Help Missing |
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| tdepower | Hello. |
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| tdepower | I was wondering how to get/install tdepowersave on a newly installed Trinity(Ubuntu) 14.04. installation. Anybody knows? |
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| SlavekB | may be: |
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| SlavekB | aptitude install tdepowersave-trinity |
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| tdepower | ... |
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| tdepower | ouh damn. |
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| tdepower | Thanks man.. |
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| tdepower | FailFIsh |
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| tdepower | I thought I've tested that before! |
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| tdepower | Mhm.. |
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| tdepower | ah ok 'man' exists |
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| tdepower | Thanks a lot!!! |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| tdepower | Hey sorry, I have another question...or kinda related to it.. |
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| tdepower | Although I am able to execute 'man tdepowersave' |
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| tdepower | tdepowersave on the command line leads to: command not found ?! |
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| tdepower | Am I doing something wrong? Or what else should be the cmd to start tdepowersave? |
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| SlavekB | is /opt/trinity/bin in PATH? |
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| tdepower | Ouh no |
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| tdepower | It is not! |
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| tdepower | That might be a thing! |
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| tdepower | Thanks again! |
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| tdepower | Thank you! |
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| SlavekB | You're logged in TDE? Or in some other DE? |
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| tdepower | I've just made a clean TDE install from the ISO of the hp.. |
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| tdepower | Downloaded it and installed it (TDE). |
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| tdepower | But had some issues with my earlier 12.04. TDE and moved some folders.. |
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| tdepower | Which might be the reason for some things not working properly :/ |
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| tdepower | And use ssh atm.. |
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| tdepower | Working remotely on that pc |
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| SlavekB | Ah, that explains it - starttde would set the PATH. |
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| tdepower | Ah ok |
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| tdepower | Ok that helped a lot. |
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| tdepower | Thanks a again! And mb until another time! |
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| tdepower | bb! |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2559 filed by rademes@inbox.ru. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Konqueror R14.0.1 does not show fixed hard disk size and used space correctly |
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| larry_ | New
here. I'm trying to load tde on centos 6 and getting this
error: "the name org.freedesktop.PackageKit was not provided
by and service files. |
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| Borg^Queen | hi anyone up? |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: You have R14.0.2 or R14.0.3~preliminary? |
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| Borg^Queen | R14.0.2 |
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| Borg^Queen | I don't let the users use anything but 'stable' |
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| Borg^Queen | are you on R14.0.2, if so can you try to open a chalk template? |
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| SlavekB | For R14.0.3 will be solved bug related to mime types - see: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.3 - bug 2392 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Fedora 21 does not fully recognize ogg files |
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| SlavekB | I'm currently on 3.5.13.2 :) |
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| Borg^Queen | ah lovely. Is it possible to update from an existing R14.0.2 |
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| Borg^Queen | I've been thinking of going back to 3.5.13.2 since it seems to be rock solid |
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| SlavekB | You can test Chalk and K3B on R14.0.3~pre? |
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| Borg^Queen | if I can move up to it. |
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| Borg^Queen | is there a repo I can add? |
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| SlavekB | For Debian and Ubuntu are packages available in 'preliminary-stable-builds' repository: |
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| Borg^Queen | ah rats I'm running pclos |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| Borg^Queen | oh well |
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| SlavekB | does not matter - I'll try to test over the weekend... |
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| Borg^Queen | ok thanks |
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| SlavekB | What version of libmagic you have? (You can try: file --version) |
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| Borg^Queen | problem is I have about 19 using R14.0.2 and experiencing these problems. So i'm trying to keep ahead of it. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok hang on |
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| SlavekB | For your information - R14.0.3 will going to release soon... |
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| Borg^Queen | excellent |
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| Borg^Queen | libmagic is 5.18 |
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| Borg^Queen | libmagic1 is 5.18 and libmagic6 is 6.8.0.2 |
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| SlavekB | ok, given bug could be related to this version of libmagic. |
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| Borg^Queen | makes sense |
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| Borg^Queen | they handle minetypes and lib functions right? |
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| SlavekB | There are differences in returned mime types. |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry? |
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| SlavekB | For example, with file 5.11 is ogg file reported as: application/ogg. |
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| SlavekB | With file 5.22 is same ogg reported as audio/ogg. |
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| SlavekB | ...and problem is, that audio/ogg is undefined in TDE. |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm |
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| SlavekB | Due to this was audio/ogg degraded to application/octed-stream. |
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| Borg^Queen | ooh |
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| SlavekB | And this will be fixed in R14.0.3 |
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| Borg^Queen | good |
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| Borg^Queen | technically this and the fact that the most visually impaired compatible theme (baghira) don't work, everything else is fine. |
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| SlavekB | And in the same manner may be affected also other mime types. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| SlavekB | on my home machine I have R14.0.3~pre, so I can try it there. |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you |
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| Borg^Queen | I have little problems with oggs here. Just the theme, k3b, chalk, rtf and a few more mimetypes |
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| Borg^Queen | ok I'll be back in 3 hrs. Going on site to deal with crakmonkey office. |
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| pitriss | err guys.. wheezy package kpilot-trinity doesn't contain binaries |
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| pitriss | there is only share/doc inside |
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| BQ-AFK | ah crap |
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| pitriss | (14.0.2) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: wow, good point |
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| BQ-AFK | bbl |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: I'm user of palm treo 680 so i wanted to give it next try as I have dificulties with correct udev lines |
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| pitriss | bb BQ-AFK |
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| BQ-AFK | :D |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: I think I know what the problem is. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: Great.. :) I hope it will be easy to solve:) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: yes, it will be easy :) |
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| pitriss | great:) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: fixed in tde-packaging git. New packages will be soon in preliminary stable builds repository... |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ok thanks:) |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2560 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2560 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Regression] Desktop locking does not hide desktop contents |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2561 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2561 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDE's QtCurve requires KDE on Debian Jessie |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB? ^.^ |
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| SlavekB | SemiNus: hi |
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| SemiNus | :) |
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| SemiNus | I only have a few quick things |
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| SemiNus | 1)
You can only see the strenght of a WiFi network when it's a *new*
network - the ones you connected before do now show the strenght any
more |
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| SemiNus | 2)
in kwrite: CTRL + SHIFT + I (for un-indent) does
only unindents until the first line of the block hits the left side - I
cannot proceed unindenting then |
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| SemiNus | 2) ALT+F2 "kdesu kwrite" does not work - (kdesu does not exist?) |
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| SlavekB | Ad 1) You can install kwifimanager-trinity |
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| SlavekB | Ad 3) In R14 was kdesu renamed to tdesu |
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| SemiNus | thx =) |
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| SemiNus | I
would like to upgrade from Ubuntu 15.04 to
15.10 - how would I make sure not to loose trinity
desktop, please? |
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| SlavekB | you can change 'vivid' to 'wily' in your sources lists. |
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| SemiNus | before or after the upgrade? |
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| SlavekB | before |
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| SemiNus | and then I run "do-release-upgrade" ? |
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| SemiNus | I will try it :) |
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| SlavekB | if you use package triinity-apt-archive, you can download and install package from Wily: |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu/pool/main/t/trinity-apt-archive/trinity-apt-archive_14.0.2-0ubuntu15.10.0+0_all.deb |
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| SemiNus | what does that mean? |
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| SemiNus | triinity-apt-archive ? |
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| SemiNus | let me google it |
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| SemiNus | 1 moment pls |
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| SlavekB | sorry for typo - trinity with one 'i', not 'ii' |
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| SlavekB | trinity-apt-archive contains sources list for trinity apt archive. |
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| SemiNus | but what would I do with it? |
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| Space_Man | using kwrite 4.5.14 part of 14.0.2 I can indent and unindent fully |
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| SemiNus | I upgrade, then I change the sources.list |
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| SemiNus | what would I need this package for? |
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| SlavekB | You can manage sources list for Trinity manually, or using package trinity-apt-archive |
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| SemiNus | Space_Man, thank you for the information! |
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| Space_Man | indents are tabs |
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| SemiNus | ok I will do it manually |
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| SemiNus | Space_Man, even if they would look like this: |
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| SlavekB | then you can ignore package trinity-apt-archive :) |
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| SemiNus | foo |
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| SemiNus | bar |
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| SemiNus | foobar |
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| SemiNus | foobar |
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| SemiNus | bar |
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| SemiNus | foo |
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| SemiNus | Space_Man, would you then be able to unindent them ALL in one action? |
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| Space_Man | no, it will only unindent until one line runs out of tabs |
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| Space_Man | that has been the normal behaviour for kate for many years |
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| Space_Man | http://paste.debian.net/351745/ might help |
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| SemiNus | thx Space_Man ! |
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| SemiNus | I'd have 2 more questions |
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| SemiNus | when I run "ALT+F2" kwrite, the TDE version of kwrite starts |
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| SemiNus | but there is also a KDE4 installed on this computer, which also has a kwrite |
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| SemiNus | how does ALT+F2 tell kwrite and kwrite apart? |
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| SemiNus | I
think about running "kwrite" from kde4 in TDE because of 2
things: 1) highlighting in JS files does not work properly in
the TDE kwrite |
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| SemiNus | and 2) the unindent thingy |
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| Space_Man | that could be because of the $PATH /opt/trinity may be before /usr/kde4 or wherever it's located |
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| SemiNus | that makes sense! |
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| SemiNus | thank you :) |
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| Space_Man | and it could be wrong |
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| SemiNus | is there any kind of statistic about trinity desktop, like how many users, how much feedback, etc? |
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| Space_Man | an interesting question |
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| Space_Man | I have no idea |
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| SemiNus | and
the follow-up question based on the question concerning the usage
statistics would be, if there is any kind of estimation from
today's perspective whether or not the development is going to be
continued |
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| Space_Man | ask SlavekB and kb9vqf :P |
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| Space_Man | the trinity servers need money to keep them running |
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| Space_Man | all the time we make donations, kb9vqf will keep the servers alive |
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| SemiNus | is kb9vqf Tim? |
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| Space_Man | he also gives a huge amount of his time and money to the project |
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| Space_Man | yes |
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| SemiNus | cool ^.^ |
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| SemiNus | I thought Tim would not be here in person :) |
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| Space_Man | he rarely speaks :P |
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| SemiNus | just found the page: http://trinitydesktop.org/donate.php |
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| SemiNus | thx for pointing me to the donations, that's a good point |
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| Space_Man | there are 3 or 4 main developers who also have day jobs |
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| Space_Man | so development is sporadic |
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| SemiNus | but it's interesting that there are already 16 people in this channel |
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| SemiNus | there was a time when there was only Slavek |
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| SemiNus | and maybe a second person |
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| SemiNus | but now it seems to be so much more alive already |
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| Space_Man | soon there should be a new release R14.0.3 which appears to be bug fixing release |
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| SemiNus | it's saddening that not more people see the advantages on trinity desktop |
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| Space_Man | wait for SlavekB to correct me |
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| SlavekB | Current is R14.0.2, R14.0.3 will be very soon |
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| * kb9vqf quietly says hello, and goodbye at the same time ;-) |
| * kb9vqf is busy with other work ATM |
| SemiNus | ;-) |
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| * SlavekB is now a busy by dinner ;) |
| Space_Man | I like the current kwrite / kate trinity indent method |
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| * Space_Man uses python |
| Space_Man | maybe hidden away in one of the option screens there is an box that changes the behaviour |
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| SemiNus | could not find such an option |
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| Space_Man | ow |
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| SemiNus | well, usually the unindent-method is find |
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| SemiNus | *fine |
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| SemiNus | but sometimes you simply want to unindent it all in order to build up the indention from new |
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| Space_Man | find and replace for tabs would be very nice |
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| Space_Man | ^\t* |
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| Space_Man | does ^/t* work on irc? |
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| SemiNus | but can you apply find+replace only for a highlighted block? |
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| Space_Man | no, you can from the cursor and then find/replace one item at a time |
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| Space_Man | or copy and paste into another document and then remove the indents etc and copy/paste back |
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| SemiNus | true that :) |
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| SemiNus | thank you for the tip! |
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| Space_Man | find / replace for tabs, line feeds etc would be nice |
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| SemiNus | \t should definitely work when changing the search to regex |
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| SemiNus | however |
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| SemiNus | I am happy about what we got (TDE) |
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| SemiNus | however you turn it, it's 100 times better than KDE4 |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, are you still around? |
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| SemiNus | I headed into huge dependency problems when upgrading ubuntu |
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| SlavekB | are all apt sources updated to wily? |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, yes |
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| SemiNus | the ubuntu-channel recommended purging the whole PPA |
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| SemiNus | but I am not sure how to do that |
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| SlavekB | SemiNus: sorry, but I need to go away for several hours |
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| SemiNus | have fun :) |
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| SemiNus | and thank you for all your answers :) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2562 filed by slavek.banko@axis.cz. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2562 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Many applications can not open their own saved files |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2563 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDE Menu: root password vs sudo needs review |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2562 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2562 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, [Regression] Many applications can not open their own saved files |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2257 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , KWord/KSpread can't open valid .odt/.ods files |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
hi please can you look at #2537 it will allow me to hack around bug in
yakuake with dissorted background image..:) It is quite annoying to
maually select schema in yakuake everytime i boot my pc/open new tab in
yakuake:) |
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| SlavekB | tbottu: please info about bug 2537 ;) |
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| tbottu | SlavekB: Error: "please" is not a valid command. |
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| SlavekB | please info about bug 2537 ;) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2537 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , yakuakes dcop session-1 setSchema / schema calls not working |
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| SlavekB | thank you ;) |
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| pitriss | I
tried also yakuake from kde4 but it doesn't allow me to have one
picture centered in it.. It only allows tiled background so kde4 yakuake
is no go for me |
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| pitriss | I see you don't use yakuake.. but I'm using it daily as It doesn't clutter my panel with many konsoles opened:D |
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| SlavekB | I
got it differently - I need to alway see the console (or at least a
part). And also have the possibility to switch into console by the
conventional switching between applications. Therefore yakuake not suit
me. |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: I added yakuake bug in my list. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2564 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2564 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Enhancement] Improve mimetype support |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ok thank you:) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2565 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2565 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KBookReader does not recognize PDF files |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, KWord/KSpread can't open valid .odt/.ods files |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2566 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2566 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Regression] TDM display issues on boot |
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| Borg^Queen | Happy Christmas to all |
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| msb_ | DANGER
WILL ROBINSON! There is another "trinity", an EVIL
"trinity". It spews lots of files onto your disk and who
knows what else! It's here: http://codemonkey.org.uk/projects/trinity/ |
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| msb_ | It
runs lots of random system-calls. The description
says: "I recommend not running it on machines containing data
you care about. It's entirely plausible that trinity could start
calling unlink() on files it randomly finds. You might also want to make
sure that there are no nfs or similar filesystems mounted for the same
reason." |
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| msb_ | A friend of mine was trying to install TDE today and got onto that thing instead! |
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| msb_ | There needs to be warnings about this! |
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| mirda | hello |
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| mirda | msb_: your friend doesn't read what he looks at |
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| mirda | there is huge differebnce between "A Linux System call fuzz tester." and "Trinity Desktop Environment" |
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| mirda | *difference |
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| msb_ | mirda:
You're right -- my friend was in a hurry and got
careless. On the other hand, I've been working with computers
for 55 years and never heard of a "fuzz tester", nor any software
called "Trinity" other than TDE. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2567 filed by linux@rainbow-software.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2567 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , No floopy drives in Storage Media |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2568 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2568 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Compton-tde shows a shadow under SuperKaramba widgets |
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| holyguyver | I
am having the ages old problem of trinity apps not starting or
appearing in menus because they are in opt/trinity but I have forgotten
how to fix that, can someone help me out? |
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| SlavekB | holyguyver:
you can try add /opt/trinity/bin to PATH, /opt/trinity/etc/xdg to
DG_CONFIG_DIRS and /opt/trinity/share to XDG_DATA_DIRS |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: Thank you |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: Could you help me remember how to do that? There used to be instructions online, but I cannot find them. |
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| holyguyver | Anyone? |
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| SlavekB | holyguyver: For example, you can add exports to ~/.profile |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: Thank you :) |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: so like this? http://pastebin.com/qWbX8Kh6 |
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| SlavekB | holyguyver: yes, like this. But you need only PATH and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and XDG_DATA_DIRS. |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: Thank you |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: So like this? http://pastebin.com/wrrBtwBE |
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| SlavekB | export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/opt/trinity/etc/xdg:/etc/xdg |
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| SlavekB | export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/trinity/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: The path one is fine? |
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| SlavekB | export PATH=/opt/trinity/bin:$PATH |
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| SlavekB | you need not only Trinity in path, but also all system paths. |
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| SlavekB | And place your new exports outside condition "if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then" |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: So like this? http://pastebin.com/FuQ1LxZS |
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| SlavekB | last 'fi' is excess |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: Do I have to restart for this to take affect? |
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| SlavekB | logout / login |
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| holyguyver | SlavekB: Okay, thanks |
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| cubexyz | hi folks, I wanted to ask about ksysguard |
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| cubexyz | this is quite a while ago but since KDE 3.5.10 it did strange things |
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| cubexyz | /opt/trinity/bin/ksysguard has the same strange behaviour... |
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| cubexyz | it fills up the panel with many instances of itself and I have to ctrl-alt-backspace to reset X |
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| cubexyz | but there is also ksysguard for KDE >4 (this is all in q4os) |
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| cubexyz | it's not a big deal, but I assume the KDE 3 version of ksysguard is passe now? |
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| cubexyz | I had to go back to KDE 3.4.2 (oldest version I'm still running) on another machine to see ksysguard working correctly |
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| cubexyz | this is on kde trinity 3.5.13.2 and also kde 3.5.10 |
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| SlavekB | cubexyz: ksysguard is still part of Trinity. |
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| SlavekB | cubexyz: You can fill a bug report for this issue? |
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| SlavekB | cubexyz: I understand correctly that you mean ksysguard applet? |
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| cubexyz | SlavekB, yes |
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| cubexyz | KDE 3.5.10 did the same thing, I just didn't realize it until recently |
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| SlavekB | On
my experimental machine (currently 3.5.13.2) I tried to insert an
applet and it working correctly - I can see graph for cpu and memory. |
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| cubexyz | ok, it must have something to do with localhost or the way I have it set |
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| cubexyz | it keeps saying can't access localhost |
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| cubexyz | KDE 4 version of ksysguard works |
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| cubexyz | so on q4os I run /opt/trinity/bin/ksysguard and it freaks out |
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| cubexyz | so there are two different ksysguards |
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| cubexyz | ok, it actually seems to work now :-/ |
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| cubexyz | strange |
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| SlavekB | On my test machine is only TDE. |
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| cubexyz | ok |
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| SlavekB | currently on Debian Wheezy. |
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| cubexyz | I might have altered /etc/hosts I can't remember |
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| cubexyz | but it is working atm :) |
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| cubexyz | ok SlavekB I fixed the original KDE 3.5.10 problem which was an old prob |
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| cubexyz | but I was wrong about the trinity one, it does work |
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| cubexyz | ksysguardd was broken on one computer |
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| leonardo_ | hi
everyone, i'm using trinity on q4os distro, and the dialog boxes do not
work with chromium/chrome ( like "save as" ). Anyone know solve it?
thanks! (sorry for bad english) |
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| cubexyz | is ksysv still part of trinity? |
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| cubexyz | oh ok, it seems to be there |
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| cubexyz | but no package for q4os, hmmm |
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| SlavekB | cubexyz: package ksysv-trinity ? |
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| cubexyz | ah that is it :) |
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| cubexyz | was trying trinity-ksysv |
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| cubexyz | I'm glad that the old KDE 3.5.10 stuff survives in a new form |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2114 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2114 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Adept crash and high CPU use |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2569 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2569 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Adept not working with recent distros |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2570 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2570 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KPackage: problems with root priviledges |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2571 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2571 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tderandr: possible bug when configuring two monitor size |
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| a-865 | what package contains *infocenter? |
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| a-865 | neither synaptic nor aptitude can find any such |
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| Space_Man | a-865: have you tried looking for infocentRE |
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| Space_Man | what does it do? |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2467 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2467 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , Build issue: Koffice FTBFS on Fedora 22 / Ruby 2.2.2 |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2467 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2467 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: Koffice FTBFS on Fedora 22 / Ruby 2.2.2 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2557
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, [openSUSE]
/opt/trinity/bin/starttde missing from $PATH, and will not run from
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2572 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2572 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Both Konqueror and Dolphin: Browsing a folder where a file is being copied is almost impossible |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2573 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Regression] Kicker frequent crashes on R14.0.3-pre |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2573 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSIGNED , [Regression] Kicker frequent crashes on R14.0.3-pre |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Just wanted to check in and see what the status of R14.0.3 was? |
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| kb9vqf | Also
I've been getting some pushback on the TDE slow startup time and wasn't
sure if this a real issue or if it's just a case of KDE missing
features again (essentially cheating on startup time) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2574 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2574 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kicker clock does not update time when changing time zone |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: In the mail you will find a few notes regarding the release R14.0.3. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2575 filed by slavek.banko@axis.cz. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.0.4 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2563 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , TDE Menu: root password vs sudo needs review |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2217 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2217 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, [stdout/stderr] Warning: using regular magic file |
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| techningeer | Is anyone else having issues using the Trinity Repos right now? |
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| SlavekB | What problems? Do you use respositories on mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org? |
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| techningeer | SlavekB: I'm using ppa.pearsoncomputing.net |
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| SlavekB | primary server is on the line with a limited bandwidth |
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| SlavekB | better choice is use mirror.ppa. |
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| techningeer | SlavekB, so just replace ppa.pearsoncomputing.net with mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| SlavekB | As
just announced by François, are published R14.0.2 for Fedora 21 ==
primary server will be busy for synchronizing 3.8 GiB packages. |
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| techningeer | SlavekB: That worked. Thanks! |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| techningeer | Time to upgrade to R14.0.2, yay! |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2529 from NEEDINFO to CONFIRMED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2529 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, CONFIRMED , KPPP fails everytime on PCLinuxOS with TDE R14.0.1 |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2473 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2473 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Media manager detects /dev/mmcblk0 as internal harddisk |
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| techningeer | Hello,
had a quick question, is there any place to get additional themes for
Trinity? Also, is there any documentation on creating your own theme
anywhere? |
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| a-865 | anyone remember what nfs required before rpcbind was born? |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| Borg^Queen | hi anyone get skype working with apulse |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2576 filed by dave1967@gmx.co.uk. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2576 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , removeable disc mountpoint ignored |
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| mirda | hello |
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| Borg^Queen | hi |
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| mirda | Borg^Queen: APULSE_PLAYBACK_DEVICE=hw:1,0 apulse /usr/bin/skype |
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| mirda | friend has this as ~/bin/skype |
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| Borg^Queen | ah ok let me try |
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| mirda | he has this configured to use his second sound card (he has two sound cards) |
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| mirda | his mic is in his first sound card and was detected automatically |
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| Borg^Queen | ah ok let me adapt it |
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| Borg^Queen | bingo |
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| mirda | you need to investigate correct numbers in hw:x,y |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| mirda | congratz:) |
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| Borg^Queen | ok maybe not |
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| Borg^Queen | [apulse] [error] do_connect_pcm, snd_pcm_open, Input/output error |
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| Borg^Queen | [apulse] [error] do_connect_pcm, snd_pcm_open, Input/output error |
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| Borg^Queen | ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:743:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Oops. |
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| Borg^Queen | ![apulse] [error] do_connect_pcm, snd_pcm_open, Input/output error |
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| tbottu | Borg^Queen: Error: "apulse" is not a valid command. |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| mirda | !help |
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| tbottu | mirda:
(help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a
useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only
necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok it makes noise when it first starts up |
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| mirda | noise? can you hear something in test call? |
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| Borg^Queen | nope, |
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| Borg^Queen | let me try again |
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| Borg^Queen | nope, the call doesn't go through |
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| mirda | ahh |
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| mirda | did you use correct hw device? |
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| Borg^Queen | hw:0,0 |
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| Borg^Queen | as far as I can tell that's the right one |
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| Borg^Queen | there are 3, there's cx20561 analog |
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| Borg^Queen | cx20561 digital |
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| Borg^Queen | cx20561 hdmi |
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| mirda | i don't use skype with apulse yet, so i don't have experiences with it |
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| Borg^Queen | aye but oddly you have brought me closer |
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| Borg^Queen | it's actually making sound |
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| Borg^Queen | ok the first one is the only one that has any output |
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| mirda | try aplay -l |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| mirda | you can use also aplay -L |
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| Borg^Queen | ok done |
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| Borg^Queen | I have the list |
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| Borg^Queen | I found a bash that might help |
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| Borg^Queen | bbiab |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2529 from CONFIRMED to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2529 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, PATCHAVAIL , KPPP fails everytime on PCLinuxOS with TDE R14.0.1 |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: hi, i think i found solution to http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 :) I added it into comments:) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2481: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , krusader recreate useractions.xml from useraction_examples.xml |
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| pitriss | If it load (and maybe even copy) examples when krusaderrc is not present for current user..:) |
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| pitriss | it should be OK I think |
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| SlavekB | Ok, I'll look at it. But tomorrow - now I'm busy. |
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| pitriss | ok np.. thank you very much:) |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2569 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2569 major, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , Adept not working with recent distros |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2529 from PATCHAVAIL to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2529 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, NEEDINFO , KPPP fails everytime on PCLinuxOS with TDE R14.0.1 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2577 filed by rademes@inbox.ru. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , ksensors-trinity autostart does not working |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2578 filed by rademes@inbox.ru. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2578 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Missing 'media-cdrom' icon in 'crystalsvg' icon set. |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2505 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, The wiki is broken for EL installation instructions. |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2551 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2551 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , TDE fails to install on Centos 7 because of broken dependencies |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2578 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2578 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Missing 'media-cdrom' icon in 'crystalsvg' icon set. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2576 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2576 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, NEEDINFO , removeable disc mountpoint ignored |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2579 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2579 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Regression] Disappearing things |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2580 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2580 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Regression] TDM Freeze after logout |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2581 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2581 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Yakuake and Konsole suddenly unable to start shell |
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| popnfloss | hi |
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| popnfloss | im getting these black bars in the title bars of windows |
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| popnfloss | on every theme i use |
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| popnfloss | im using the latest release |
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| jentron | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043686 this bug is present in the current TDE ... |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1043686: was not found. |
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| tbottu | 10hauke@pc-kiel.de changed the Status on bug 2473 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2473 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, REOPENED , Media manager detects /dev/mmcblk0 as internal harddisk |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2473 from REOPENED to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2473 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, ASSIGNED , Media manager detects /dev/mmcblk0 as internal harddisk |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2584 filed by X2Go-ML-1@baur-itcs.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , ksmserver crashing when /sys empty or not existing |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2584 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, ksmserver crashing when /sys empty or not existing |
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| jentron | http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1375 is the same bug as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043686 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug
1375: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, ASSIGNED , Not processed BACKGROUND,
FOREGROUND, etc. colors in Xrdb and cause git gui to fail. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1043686: was not found. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2585 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2585 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDE Bugzilla bug tracker missing TDE versions |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2473 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, NEEDINFO , Media manager detects /dev/mmcblk0 as internal harddisk |
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| francesco_ | Hello
everyone i would like to translate some entry in the "start menu" in
italian, where i can find the po file? And also the turn off computer
options (but i don't understand what the freeze button does. TYA. |
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| SlavekB | francesco_: this should be a good start point http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-it/messages/tdebase |
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| SlavekB | francesco_: and information about 'freeze' power state: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/power/states.txt |
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| francesco_ | Thank you for the info, downloading now the i18n and i'll look at the text file. |
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| francesco_ | Thank you again i've found out that ksmserver.po contains the shutdown entries, in the next days i'll translate it. Bye. |
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| SlavekB | francesco_: Thanks for hopeful news! |
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| SlavekB | Translators are always welcome. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2586 filed by winebugs140@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2586 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Stacking tool-tips in the shutdown dialog |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2587 filed by winebugs140@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2587 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , White pixel near the shutdown dialog |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2588 filed by winebugs140@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2588 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , On some computers the shutdown dialog appears with the delay |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2588 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2588 minor, P5, ---, slavek.banko, ASSIGNED , On some computers the shutdown dialog appears with the delay |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2473 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2473 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Media manager detects /dev/mmcblk0 as internal harddisk |
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| turbo64 | hi |
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| turbo64 | im looking at the power options and i cant figure out how to make it not go to standby with the laptop lid is closed |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2586 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2586 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Stacking tool-tips in the shutdown dialog |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2563 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, TDE Menu: root password vs sudo needs review |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2586 from NEEDINFO to CONFIRMED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2586 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, CONFIRMED , Stacking tool-tips in the shutdown dialog |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2356 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2356 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, kalarm possibly confused whether to use .trinity or .kde |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2315 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2315 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , kpdf "forgets" a page as soon as no longer displayed, has to re-render to display it again |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2477 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2477 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , tde session won't run if kgtk-qt3-trinity is installed in jessie |
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| turbo64 | hi |
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| turbo64 | any advice on getting gtk apps to play nice with tde |
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| turbo64 | i tried gtk-qt-engine-trinity but some apps get totally fucked up when i use that |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2553 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Adding this new startup splash screen for TDE: Architecture |
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| francesco_ | Hello, i have translated a po file into italian. Where i can send it for inclusion? TYA. |
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| francesco_ | Hello,
i have translated a po file into italian. Where i can send it for
inclusion? It's also on google drive here ( ksmserver_ao for italian): https://goo.gl/v2QrSf TYA. |
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| SlavekB | francesco_: you can send it to me - slavek.banko@axis.cz |
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| francesco_ | Ok i'll send it asap. Thank you |
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| SlavekB | I thank you! |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Component on bug 2553 from tdeartwork to other (any). |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2553 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Adding this new startup splash screen for TDE: Architecture |
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| zb_ | is there a way to make konversation always show the server window even when not connected |
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| zb_ | so i can connect with /server instead of using the menus |
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| MicheleC | In this code |
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| MicheleC | TDEStorageDevice*
parentdisk =
static_cast<TDEStorageDevice*>(findBySystemPath(parentsyspath));+ disktype
= parentdisk->diskType();+ diskstatus =
diskstatus | parentdisk->diskStatus(); |
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| MicheleC | if parentdisk is NULL, next line will segfault |
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| SlavekB | is already solved :) |
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| MicheleC | ah ok, no problem then |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/commit/?id=36481f68 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2589 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2589 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Reorganize "applications" folder into subcategories. |
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| NaGERST | Hi |
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| NaGERST | Is
the trinity-desktop still contained /opt ? or is there plans to do like
MATE and rename the components so it can be installed in the proper FHS
directory? And also, is there a qtcurve plugin for trinity? |
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| SlavekB | NaGERST: Hi |
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| SlavekB | yes, Trinity is still in /opt |
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| SlavekB | yes, Qtcurve-trinity exists |
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| NaGERST | Thank you. |
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| NaGERST | Is the ubuntu-trinity or q4os the prefered development target for trinity? |
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| SlavekB | To rename in this moment is not a plan. Trinity is much greater than MATE, so it represents a larger effort. |
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| NaGERST | Yes that makes sense. |
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| SlavekB | Primary development is done on Debian and Ubuntu. |
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| SlavekB | Good support also have an RPM-based distributions. |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, Q4os is based on Debian or Ubuntu. |
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| NaGERST | I really enjoy APT, so that is fine by me as well. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I also prefer apt and Debian :) |
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| NaGERST | Wow q4os sure installs a lot of stuff when chosing the medium profile. Everything from gtk3 to gnusterp stuff |
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| NaGERST | When i try to install ubuntu-trinity in virtualbox the system pauses and is impossible to unpause. Can i get around this? |
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| turbo64 | i just installed trinity and my system sounds dont work |
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| turbo64 | when i go to the system sound settings and click the test button it plays the startup sound, but they dont play anywhere else |
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| Space_Man | turbo64: can you play music with amarok or hear sound from video with kaffeine etc? |
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| turbo64 | yeah the sound works everywhere except the system sounds |
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| turbo64 | even though system sounds are enabled, the service is running, etc |
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| turbo64 | its set to alsa like everything else is |
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| turbo64 | i cant figure out whats wrong |
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| turbo64 | also is there a way to sort items in the menu by name |
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| turbo64 | its sorting them by description instead of name |
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| popnfloss | how can i remove all trinity packages with apt-get? |
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| pitriss | popnfloss: err apt-get remove *-trinity ? quick idea.. i'm not apt master:) |
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| tbottu | 10bobfreeman@nycmail.com changed the Status on bug 2356 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2356 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, REOPENED , kalarm possibly confused whether to use .trinity or .kde |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2590 filed by bobfreeman@nycmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2590 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , ksnapshot print doesn't allow setting orientation |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2591 filed by bobfreeman@nycmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2591 wishlist, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , twin 'Edit Window-Specific Settings' should have option to modify the title of the window |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2536 from REOPENED to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 needs packaging, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, NEEDINFO , New icon theme compatible with TDE: Masalla |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2592 filed by tiposchi@tiscali.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2592 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , GPG key mismatch |
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| mirda | hello, please do you experienced that k3b crashes when you want to burn audio cd from a flac files? |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2592 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , GPG key mismatch |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2536 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 needs packaging, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, NEW , New icon theme compatible with TDE: Masalla |
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| mirda | so k3b doesn't burn audio cd either with flac source files or wav source files, it crashes |
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| mirda | and it doesn't detect sox installed on a debian wheezy |
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| SlavekB | mirda: please, fill bug report about that |
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| mirda | will do |
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| pitriss | and as bonus, when i click search it fills silly paths to programs.. |
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| pitriss | eg /opt/schilly/bin.. I never had such directory in my system |
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| SlavekB | strange |
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| pitriss | these paths are dtill the same.. I delete wrong/unwanted ones, apply, ok, they appear there again |
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| SlavekB | It looks like hardcoded default paths. |
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| pitriss | thats
a bit weird approach.. this make such setting pointless.. if it resets
to default.. It should override these hardcoded ones IMO.. |
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| tbottu | 10tiposchi@tiscali.it changed the Status on bug 2592 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2592 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, GPG key mismatch |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2516 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2516 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , krusader should have support for xz archives as they are quite common now. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2516 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2516
enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, krusader should
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| a-865 | File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse42.1/trinity-R14/RPMS/x86_64' :~( |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2593 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Errornous presentation of capital letters on USB drives |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2594 filed by mrmazda@earthlink.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2594 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [SUSE] File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2593 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Errornous presentation of capital letters on USB drives |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2594 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2594 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , [SUSE] File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium |
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| a-865 | what belongs in /etc/X11/default-display-manager on Debian to make tdm the default? |
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| MicheleC | on my system: /opt/trinity/bin/tdm |
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| a-865 | MicheleC:
on Jessied system I'm trying to get TDE onto, aptitude install
tde-trinity claimed to run, but didn't even bother to create /opt, so I
can't tell what it actually did do. Trying again doesn't help. :-( |
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| a-865 | gobs of required packages are shown as not installed, but no clues offered why |
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| MicheleC | if no /opt folder, definitely TDE was not installed. Try following the instruction from here |
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| MicheleC | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Jessie_.28Debian_8.x.29 |
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| MicheleC | sorry, here: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall |
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| MicheleC | make sure you read until the end |
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| a-865 | that's the same page I've been using |
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| a-865 | it started with nothing but lxde |
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| a-865 | gobs of unmet deps |
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| MicheleC | on a clean system it works, I just did a clean Jessie VM a couple of weeks ago following to the letter. |
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| MicheleC | check that you have the right repo in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| MicheleC | and make sure to do 'apt-get update' before installing |
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| MicheleC | also check you have used the 'jessie' version of the repo and not another one by mistake ;-) |
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| a-865 | jessie's the only release in sources.list, I've done apt-get update a bunch of times, and deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian is what's in sources list. |
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| a-865 | inexplicable |
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| MicheleC | then it is clear! you did not include the dependency repository |
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| MicheleC | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian jessie main |
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| MicheleC | just copy and paste the required repo from that page, it will do ;-) |
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| MicheleC | without the builddeps repo, some packages are missing and tde will definitely not install! |
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| MicheleC | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian jessie maindeb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian jessie maindeb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian jessie maindeb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian jessie main |
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| a-865 | I
thought that was optional? there are 4 lines, but I commented src
lines, and thought builddeps was for developers/builders, which I never
do |
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| MicheleC | you can skip the source ones if you do not need them |
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| MicheleC | no, the builddeps is mandatory. Perhaps the name 'builddeps" is not ideal... |
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| a-865 | big understatement |
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| MicheleC | infact I call those packages "extra dependency" on my system |
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| MicheleC | :-) |
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| SlavekB | deps-r14 in my apt repository :) |
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| a-865 | mirror is making me wait...... |
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| a-865 | waiting for headers is taking forever |
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| MicheleC | you may want to consider using the preliminary stable builds from Slavek: more updated and faster. |
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| MicheleC | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| MicheleC | just put jessie where is required |
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| a-865 | does trinity really want both udisks and udisks2? |
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| a-865 | aptitude claims both are recommended |
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| SlavekB | udisks2 or udisks or pmount |
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| a-865 | oh, right, aptitude claims both plus pmout are recommended :-p |
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| SlavekB | aptitude should mention these as alternatives == is enough just one of them. |
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| a-865 | it lists them among a zillion other things |
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| a-865 | spell checkers in thousands of langs for instance |
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| a-865 | wiki needs mention only the deb-src lines are optional, but I can't decide good place to make such a note. any suggestions? |
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| SlavekB | a-865:
I believe that the appropriate place is behind title Add these lines to
your /etc/apt/sources.list file - before chapters for each
distribution. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: does "behind" mean above, or below "add these..."? |
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| SlavekB | bellow "add these" and before "For Stretch (Debian 9.x)" |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: wiki done, and TDE on Jessie running. Thx. :-) |
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| SlavekB | well, thank you. |
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| a-865 | is there some meta package to install only just enough TDE to have a running session? |
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| SlavekB | tdebase-trinity |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thx |
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| MicheleC | @a-865: just wondering: all ok now? |
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| a-865 | MicheleC: right after you logged off: "SlavekB: wiki done, and TDE on Jessie running. Thx. :-) " |
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| MicheleC | good to know :-) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2595 filed by tiposchi@tiscali.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2595 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , missing pinentry |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2595 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2595 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , missing pinentry |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2595 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2595 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , missing pinentry |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2596 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2596 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDE unusable/unstable for minutes if panel is moved upright to the right screen edge |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2597 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2597 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , mouse-scrolling support for 'less', 'vi', ... |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2593 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Errornous presentation of capital letters on USB drives |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2593 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , Errornous presentation of capital letters on USB drives |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2598 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2598 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Panel transparency glitches |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2599 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2599 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDEpowersave settings: arbitrary and contraproductive limit for "autosuspend" timer |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2599 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2599 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , TDEpowersave settings: arbitrary and contraproductive limit for "autosuspend" timer |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2593 from ASSIGNED to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, PATCHAVAIL , Errornous presentation of capital letters on USB drives |
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| guest__ | hi |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2600 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2600 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Visual facelifting proposals |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2599 from NEEDINFO to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2599
enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, PATCHAVAIL , TDEpowersave
settings: arbitrary and contraproductive limit for "autosuspend" timer |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2593 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Errornous presentation of capital letters on USB drives |
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| tbottu | 10thomas.maus@gmx.de changed the Status on bug 2599 from PATCHAVAIL to REOPENED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2599
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2601 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2601 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDEpowersave + Logout menu should offer Suspend2Hybrid |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2602 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2602 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Terminology and documentation of TDEpowersave and suspend modes |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2599 from REOPENED to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2599
enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, NEEDINFO , TDEpowersave
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2603 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2603 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Lockscreen blocks Suspend (detrimental TDEpowersave / Screensaver interaction) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2604 filed by xsvobo44@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2604
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Calendar events with defined location
synced from Palm device with kpilot to Korganizer doesn't have location
there |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2556 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2556
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, [SECURITY] CVE-2015-7543:
arts,tdelibs: Use of mktemp(3) allows attacker to hijack the IPC |
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| *** kb9vqf changes topic to "Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.3 is out [http://bit.ly/1TgOJJp]! Get it at https://www.trinitydesktop.org Also, consider joining the Trinity mailing lists [http://bit.ly/hZ83mF]. IRC will be most active/helpful during business hours in the USA. BOTW #1998 Support the Project! [http://bit.ly/pmkMVB]" |
| kb9vqf | R14.0.3 is out! |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2540 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2540 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, R14.0.3 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2605 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2605 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , gwenview crashes on continued perusal of artwork directories |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2606 filed by thefirstscience@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2606 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kchart-trinity cannot open template |
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| mirda | hello,
can you please help? i moved my HDD from a laptop Dell D830 to a laptop
Dell E6500 with debian wheezy 64 bit and TDE 3.5.13.2 |
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| mirda | now when i log in TDE session and desktop appears, session instantly logs me out |
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| mirda | where could be a problem? |
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| kb9vqf | mirda: Post your ~/.xsession_errors.log |
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| mirda | http://pastebin.com/09zLUCDi |
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| mirda | it is from freshly created user to test TDE, it logouts instantly too |
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| mirda | ahh i see, that Blueman can cause that |
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| mirda | maybe |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2607 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2607
major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Storage Media Applet/kio: Removable
Device Actions, including "mount" wrongly offered for raw disk |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2608 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2608
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Multi-Head configuration (Xrandr) --
potential bugs, severe limitations and proposals for improvements |
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| WorkingTurkey | saw a new release announced today. very good work |
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| mirda | i removed blueman, bluetooth and bluez packages and problem still persists http://pastebin.com/2VZ0bDQW |
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| kb9vqf | mirda: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| kb9vqf | that's your problem |
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| kb9vqf | do you have a broken symlink? |
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| kb9vqf | all of those BadWindow errors also indicate a potential problem with your X11 installation |
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| kb9vqf | (possibly related to the libGL issue) |
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| mirda | kb9vqf: ahh thank you |
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| mirda | i will try to fix this |
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| kb9vqf | np ;-) |
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| mirda | kb9vqf:
my old laptop D830 suddenly died after heavy load in a room where was
higher air temperature :( , it has a Nvidia quadro nvs 135M GPU |
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| mirda | and working laptop E6500 has some integrated intel GPU, so i needed to uninstall nvidia drivers |
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| mirda | kb9vqf: it works with symlinked libGL.so.1 from /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/ |
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| kb9vqf | mirda: Make sense; you probably have an nVidia driver package installed |
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| SlavekB | mirda: exactly - it seems to be some confusion caused by binary driver. |
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| mutantturkey | mirda: might also try switching from noveau to the closed source driver or visa versa if you're having trouble. |
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| mirda | nvidia driver was removed using apt-get, but maybe there are some leftovers |
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| mirda | mutantturkey: that laptop has intel gpu |
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| SlavekB | mirda: purged or removed? |
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| mirda | SlavekB: removed |
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| mutantturkey | oh sorry, my mistake. I thought you said it had a nvidia quadro |
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| mutantturkey | in this case the integrated drivers are quite good then |
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| mirda | mutantturkey: old laptop has quadro |
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| mutantturkey | understood i re-read |
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| SlavekB | mirda: In that case, you can try if purge performs cleanup. |
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| SlavekB | after purge you can try: aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx |
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| mirda | SlavekB: there was installed i386 versions of packages glx-diversions and nvidia-installer-cleanup |
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| mirda | i purged them now |
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| SlavekB | glx-diversions gives hope that this package could make an order. |
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| mirda | fixed, thank you |
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| SlavekB | mirda: rádo se stalo :) |
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| mirda | SlavekB: please can you look at that yakuake bug reported by pitriss and package qalculate into TDE? |
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| mirda | and how about missing kpilot in R14, is it fixed? |
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| SlavekB | mirda: This week I am unfortunately too busy. |
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| mirda | okay |
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| SlavekB | I was therefore pleased that we have managed to release R14.0.3 last weekend. |
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| SlavekB | kpilot package is fixed in R14.0.3: |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/commit/?h=r14.0.x&id=e9807da7 |
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| mirda | i understand |
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| mirda | and congratulations to R14.0.3 |
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| mirda | ahh i missed that commit, thanks |
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| mutantturkey | SlavekB: the release is great, thank you!Q |
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| pitriss | Thank
you for fixed kpilot package.. Now I need to figure out that voodoo
about udev rules for palm treo to make it work with my phone.. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2606 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2606 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , kchart-trinity cannot open template |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2607 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2607
major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Storage Media Applet/kio: Removable
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| pitriss | Hi guys, please i want to know if there is GUI for viewing/editing system variables in R14 |
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| pitriss | as
I'm trying to solve some annoyance in iceweasel (opening pdf in gimp
instead of kpdf) by overriding its desktop file.. but sudo
update-desktop-database -v gives me: Search path is now:
[/usr/local/share/applications, /usr/share/applications] |
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| pitriss | And I think it should also include /opt/trinity/share |
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| pitriss | my $XDG_DATA_DIRS is correct.. it is set to: /opt/trinity/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share |
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| pitriss | so I'm really confused |
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| Space_Man | pitriss: this might help http://paste.debian.net/412222/ |
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| pitriss | Space_Man:
thanks.. deleting gimp.desktop can be temporary solution, yes.. and
change setting in icewease was first what I tried.. It have two entries
for pdf and both are set directly to /opt/trinity/bin/kpdf |
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| pitriss | Space_Man:
do you think i don't break anything when I set $XDG_DATA_DIRS for root?
:D thats may be the cause that update-desktop-database use only default
values |
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| pitriss | as root have empty $XDG_DATA_DIRS |
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| Space_Man | pitriss: "do you think i don't break anything when I set $XDG_DATA_DIRS for root? :D th" I have no idea :P |
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| pitriss | ok I will try that..:D |
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| pitriss | Search
path is now: [/opt/trinity/share/applications,
/usr/local/share/applications, /usr/share/applications] //hmm hmm:D
let's see..:D |
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| pitriss | It works:P |
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| pitriss | Now iceweasel can open pdf in kpdf.. I'm not freedesktop.org expert, but maybe devs can set this systemwide? |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2603 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2603 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , Lockscreen blocks Suspend (detrimental TDEpowersave / Screensaver interaction) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2609 filed by assolutooccidentale@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2609 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , cannot start PyLNP |
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| ShadowAndrew | hi |
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| SlavekB | ShadowAndrew: hi, we can be something helpful? |
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| ShadowAndrew | nope, i thought i'd join the chat |
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| ShadowAndrew | i recently downloaded the desktop environment |
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| ShadowAndrew | it's pretty nice |
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| SlavekB | I use Trinity every day :) |
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| ShadowAndrew | i generally don't prefer DEs like gnome anymore because they have strange non-standard interface concepts |
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| ShadowAndrew | like huge launcher buttons |
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| tbottu | 10assolutooccidentale@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2609 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2609 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, cannot start PyLNP |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Resolution on bug 2609 from FIXED to NOTOURPROBLEM. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2599
enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, TDEpowersave
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| jentron | My printscreen button is no longer pulling up ksnapshot, does anyone know how to bring it back? |
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| jentron | Figured out how to re-add the shortcut key to the menu. Not sure how it got removed |
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| SlavekB | jentron: khotkeys is active? |
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| jentron | SlavekB,
it is now, but the process seems to have started at the time I assigned
the menu shortcut key, not sure if it restarted or had died |
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| jentron | Yeah, I think it died. Changing the settings doesn't change the time stamp on the khotkeys process |
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| SlavekB | nemo |
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| SlavekB | ehm, wrong window... |
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| adminq | some idea or hint how to enable a feature like "tiling snap to edge"? |
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| SlavekB | adminq:
Unfortunately, I do not know what to imagine under this. In the Control
Center can be set snap to the edges and snap to other windows. |
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| adminq | i
dont know what you mean with Control Center, there are only icons for
devices appearance... but i cannot find "snap to the edges and snap to
other windows" |
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| SlavekB | Settings / Trinity Control Center / Desktop / Window Behaviour |
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| adminq | thank
you but I cannot find it in q4os distribution. does the dialog have an
executable? but maybe it is not in the release of q4os |
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| SlavekB | kcontrol |
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| adminq | tdecmshell [tdeinit] desktopbehavior ? |
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| adminq | tdecmshell [tdeinit] twinoptions ? |
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| SlavekB | twinoptions |
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| adminq | i think you mean the last, but i dont find an option how the quick snap to edge with window tiling is working |
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| adminq | i want to drag a window with the mouse to some side left/right and it will be take the half of the screen space then |
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| adminq | if i move it to the top it will maximize |
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| adminq | personally i can do the same with some shotcuts but i search a solution for someone else who want to use the mouse for that |
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| adminq | maybe it is a feature which is not implemented yet, but why? |
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| SlavekB | "Snap" configuration means that when you move window close to the edge is adhered, but remains in the unchanged size. |
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| SlavekB | You know that the standard maximize button has a different behavior when you use different mouse buttons? |
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| adminq | yes
i know that but that is not the behavior (windows)-users are expecting
and even then it is not so much usefull as placing to windows each other |
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| adminq | for example for comparison of content |
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| adminq | that is done really quick by draging one window to the left the other to the right |
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| adminq | it is somewhat intuitiv, but the middle, left, right click on a icon is like hidden knowledge not intuitv |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
I understand. By the way, this behavior normally bothers me very,
because usually I have opened multiple windows and any maximization is
for me unwanted. |
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| adminq | and the maximize function involves at least to actions to solve the tiling |
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| SlavekB | But I understand that some users may be accustomed to such behavior and want the same behavior... |
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| adminq | yeah i think many linux window managers adapted this use case in recent versions |
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| SlavekB | However, I fear that such configuration is not yet available in TWin. |
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| adminq | therefore i was suprised that this will not work on trinitydesktop |
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| adminq | i
am an keyboard addict, i really love to not touch the mouse. but how
can twin reach the window menu? usually i pressed
<ALT>+<SPACE> |
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| SlavekB | Alt+F3? |
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| adminq | no
that is doing nothing here, you know each window handle has a little
icon in the upper left corner if you click it some context menu for this
window pops up |
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| adminq | on windows and some other window manager lxde/xfc ... i can press <ALT>+<SPACE> and it will appear |
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| adminq | than i can use the curor keys to choose entries without shortcut |
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| SlavekB | for me this menu is by default configuration opened by Alt + F3 :) |
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| adminq | you installed kwin/trinity with package manager on a native debian? |
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| adminq | or do you use any specific distro? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I use Debian. |
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| adminq | i tried a german distribution q4os www.q4os.org |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I've already seen some information about this distribution. |
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| adminq | default settings are in some /usr/share folder? perhaps i would compare them |
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| SlavekB | On first login KPersonalizer gives choice of behavior types => Unix, Windows,... |
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| SlavekB | And according to that will set theme, shortcut,... |
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| SlavekB | By
the way, currently I have opened seven windows == any maximization just
because I moved some window close to the edge, would make me very
angry. |
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| adminq | hehe perhaps use: dcop twin KWinInterface unclutterDesktop |
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| adminq | :-) i found some nice DCOP Browser |
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| adminq | dcop twin KWinInterface cascadeDesktop |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2603 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2603
normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Lockscreen blocks
Suspend (detrimental TDEpowersave / Screensaver interaction) |
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| adminq | ok thank you for your help, bye |
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| jentron | Does
anyone here know anything about configuring Krusader's preview
functionality? It comes way to smart out of the box to be useful |
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| jentron | I'd like it to show me everything as plain text regardless of what kind of file it actually is. |
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| jentron | Even worse, it won't show files with no extension |
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| jentron | But eating all the tags in an xml file is pretty bad, too. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2610 filed by tmw@autotrain.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2610 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Mageia trinity-filesystem package missing from R14.0.2 and R14.0.3 |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2597 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2597 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, konsole mouse-scrolling support for 'less', 'vi', ... |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2611 filed by robert.adolle@free.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2611 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Geogebra crashes in PCLinuxOS Trinity 64 bits |
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| a-865 | Selecting 'trinity-tdm-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64' from repository 'TDE' for installation. |
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| a-865 | 'tdebase-trinity' not found in package names. Trying capabilities. |
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| a-865 | Resolving package dependencies... |
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| a-865 | Force resolution: No |
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| a-865 | Problem: nothing provides libHalf.so.12()(64bit) needed by trinity-tdelibs-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64 :-( |
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| a-865 | oops, wrong error message |
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| a-865 | Selecting 'trinity-tdebase-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64' from repository 'TDE' for installation. |
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| a-865 | Selecting 'trinity-tdm-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64' from repository 'TDE' for installation. |
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| a-865 | Resolving package dependencies... |
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| a-865 | Force resolution: No |
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| a-865 | 2 Problems: |
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| a-865 | Problem: nothing provides libHalf.so.12()(64bit) needed by trinity-tdelibs-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64 |
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| a-865 | Problem: nothing provides libHalf.so.12()(64bit) needed by trinity-tdelibs-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64 |
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| a-865 | Problem: nothing provides libHalf.so.12()(64bit) needed by trinity-tdelibs-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64 :-( |
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| a-865 | Installing libHalf11 didn't help |
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| a-865 | Is this a mirror problem? |
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| a-865 | oops, got bit by not having Packman enabled, again :-( |
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| SlavekB | a-865: for RPMs it is better to ask a question on the mailing list |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: questions I ask there that you don't answer typically do not get answers |
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| a-865 | seems like there are at most 3 openSUSE users who ever post on the mailing lists |
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| SlavekB | RPM packages prepares François Android that is not here at IRC. |
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| SlavekB | François usually responds quickly on the mailing list. |
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| a-865 | all
my openSUSE 13.1 TDE installations have sound, but I can't get sound
out of any of my openSUSE 42.1 TDE installations, while this 42.1 with
KDE3 sound works fine |
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| SlavekB | It sounds like a problem that should already be solved in R14.0.3. |
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| a-865 | but the instant installation is fresh, 14.0.3 |
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| a-865 | only had IceWM before |
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| SlavekB | Test sound in Trinity Control Center does work? |
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| SlavekB | because it sounded to me like a bug 2392 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Fedora 21 does not fully recognize ogg files |
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| a-865 | aplay would work from vtty before, but now it's silent, so there's obviously a more fundamental problem on this machine ATM |
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| pitriss | a-865:
that can be problem outside TDE also.. Check sound backeds used in
KDE/TDE.. they can be set up differently eg one pointing to alsa, second
to pulse audio. And for me pulse audio is thing where most evil bugs
with sound was born.. I had never luck to force PA to run properly. But
IDK as i have alsa working perfectly |
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| pitriss | *IDC |
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| a-865 | pitriss: outside TDE is exactly what I'm trying to figure out. Long as aplay doesn't work in vtty, I don't even start X. |
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| a-865 | an hour ago aplay worked |
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| a-865 | not it doesn't |
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| a-865 | now it doesn't |
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| pitriss | isn't it simply muted in alsamixer? |
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| a-865 | would be nice if alsamixer had a play test sound function |
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| pitriss | I can't remember why/when but once i had sound issues and some weird witchery reseted my alsa default volumes |
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| pitriss | let aplay play some long track and from second tty run alsamixer and try to move sliders |
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| a-865 | finally got aplay to work after disabling all at right side of alsamixer |
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| pitriss | and under root/sudo alsactl store should save this setting |
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| a-865 | TCC sound system just loops "starting sound system" |
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| pitriss | and restarting alsa-utils (im not sure if this is the same as in debian) in tty goes well? |
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| a-865 | in
yast sound configuration, almost everything was turned way down - too
may different controls, makes no sense, can't figure out which one is
culprit |
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| a-865 | still no sound from TCC though, but aplay works in konsole, and sound works on youtube in FF |
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| pitriss | sorry i can't help you with yast as I never used opensuse.. I have no idea how yast looks like:) |
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| a-865 | aplay makes sound, yast makes sound, youtube makes sound, but TCC makes no sound |
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| a-865 | tcc just loops "starting sound system" |
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| pitriss | hmm weird.. look into kcontrol how it is set up |
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| pitriss | ah |
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| SlavekB | try to disable sound server in TCC => apply and then again enable soud server => apply. |
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| a-865 | I don't see any on/off switch in TCC |
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| a-865 | only audio device selection is autodetect |
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| a-865 | oh, right at top |
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| a-865 | switching that just starts the starting sound system loop |
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| pitriss | err kcontrol => sound system => general => enable sound system checkbox- |
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| pitriss | sorry if these names arent 100% correct as I have czech language applied |
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| a-865 | must be trinity sound depends on an unfulfilled requirement |
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| a-865 | broken dep |
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| pitriss | hmm at first try to switch hardware to alsa from autodetect |
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| a-865 | "05:13a-865 only audio device selection is autodetect" |
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| pitriss | ah |
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| pitriss | then this is more like question for SlavekB and other devs..:) I'm only user:) |
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| a-865 | I have to quit, hours past bed time |
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| a-865 | pitriss: thx for trying |
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| pitriss | anytime..:) |
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| pitriss | gn:) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2612 filed by mrmazda@earthlink.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2612 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , no system sounds - only audio device selection in TCC is autodetect |
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| a-865 | pitriss: that was me filed 2612 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2613 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2613 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , VCardTool::parseDateTime is broken |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2613 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2613 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , VCardTool::parseDateTime is broken |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2614 filed by rajah987@yopmail.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2614 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Many apps complain: unknown color name "BACKGROUND" etc |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2615 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TCL/TK applications fail to start |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2616 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2616 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , soundkonverter stalls on conversion |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2396 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2396 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, TDM is not capable of starting Unity |
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| pitriss | hi guys.. Can kmail pass parts of header to script when i use filter and run script? |
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| pitriss | eg time, or whole mail or so.. |
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| pitriss | ahh i found something in help so nevermind.. i will try trial/error method.. |
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| pitriss | ok so my question is.. why when i want to use %0 as script parameter (in kmail filter) I get path to nonexistant file? |
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| pitriss | ah i think i got it.. that file is just temporary during execution of filter and is deleted after filter is processed. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2617 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2617 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Help entry "Report Bug/Request Enhancement" |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2613 from ASSIGNED to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2613 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, PATCHAVAIL , VCardTool::parseDateTime is broken |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2618 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2618 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDE icons: need to use TDE named icons |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2619 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2619 needs packaging, P5, ---, slavek.banko, ASSIGNED , Add Klt to supported applications |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2620 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kopete: AIM support needs updating |
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| ybalrid | Hi, I'm trying to build tqt but I have an error regarding libtqt-mt.so.3 |
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| ybalrid | in fact, while building "tquic", it doesn't find the library |
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| ybalrid | This
is weird because I think it's part of tqt itself. I thought it was
because I was running multiple make jobs in parallel, but apparently it
doesn't change anything. |
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| kb9vqf | ybalrid: Can you paste a full build log to e.g. http://paste.ee ? |
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| ybalrid | I retry the build and I paste the output |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys, any ideas why kmail would't run my filters on imap connected
mailbox automagically? When i mark that mail, and click apply all
filters, then its processed without errors |
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| ybalrid | okay so I'm on a VM on a tty |
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| ybalrid | so I'm writing make output to a file, it will be easier |
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| ybalrid | I
actually just found out about this project yesterday. I was thinking
"If people forked Gnome 2 to create MATE, surely a fork of the good old
KDE 3 exist. And google did the rest. |
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| ybalrid | kb9vqf, here's the full log of make http://avalon.ybalrid.info/build.log |
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| ybalrid | kb9vqf, and here's how ./configure was run http://avalon.ybalrid.info/doconfigure |
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| kb9vqf | ybalrid: That's interesting. What operating system is this? |
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| ybalrid | ArchLinux |
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| kb9vqf | ah, ok |
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| ybalrid | it's a compleately fresh install |
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| kb9vqf | basically it looks like an RPATH issue |
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| ybalrid | interesting |
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| kb9vqf | tqtuic can't find the shared library that was previously built |
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| ybalrid | That's what I understood |
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| kb9vqf | but since this is all inside the build directory I'd blame RPATH |
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| kb9vqf | it's been a while since I've seen one of these so bear with me :) |
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| ybalrid | What's RPATH, an environement variable ? |
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| ybalrid | if I echo $RPATH it's empty ^^" |
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| kb9vqf | objdump -x /home/ybalrid/tde-tar/dependencies/tqt3/bin/tquic | grep RPATH |
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| ybalrid | /opt/trinity/lib |
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| kb9vqf | ok, so quick hack to get things going would be to copy libtqt-mt.so.3 there |
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| ybalrid | I see |
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| ybalrid | o.O |
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| kb9vqf | ? |
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| ybalrid | the (mostly empty) page about trinity on the ArchLinux wiki has been updated today |
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| kb9vqf | nice! |
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| ybalrid | somebody apparently wrote a PKGBUILD for it |
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| ybalrid | apparently |
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| ybalrid | so somebody is trying (or achived) what I was wanting to do xD |
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| kb9vqf | Yeah, it looks like Debian/Ubuntu jumps through some hoops to get it built too: https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/ubuntu/maverick/dependencies/tqt3/debian/rules |
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| kb9vqf | the rest of TDE's a bit easier to build |
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| ybalrid | like
I said, I wasn't aware TDE existed until yesterday, and wanted to try
it out. But since there was no packages in the repo, nor in the AURs, I
needed to make it |
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| kb9vqf | sure |
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| ybalrid | I can imagine |
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| ybalrid | Qt is still a huge chunk of code, with multiple parts in libraries |
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| kb9vqf | nowhere near as large as Qt4/5 |
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| kb9vqf | ;-) |
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| ybalrid | I know |
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| ybalrid | it keeps getting bigger and bigger |
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| kb9vqf | BTW did you see this? |
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| kb9vqf | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| ybalrid | I was following this page |
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| kb9vqf | (probably moot since you said you found an AUR, but still) |
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| kb9vqf | ok |
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| kb9vqf | might need to update it then |
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| ybalrid | I think it's not yet on the AUR |
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| ybalrid | it's on somebody's github |
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| kb9vqf | ah, ok |
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| kb9vqf | well if you need more help poke me or SlavekB |
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| ybalrid | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity#Building_with_Michael.27s_PKGBUILD_files |
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| ybalrid | I gonna try that. Seems somebody is working at packaging it for Arch's Users Repository |
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| kb9vqf | sure, sounds great! |
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| ybalrid | but it's really fun since I was searching for that yesterday xD |
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| ybalrid | I can't wrap my head around this |
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| ybalrid | so I launched the script, gonna see if it create installable packages or not ^^" |
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| ybalrid | somebody also added a link to arch wiki here : |
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| ybalrid | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Documentation#Installing_from_a_Package_Manager |
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| ybalrid | okay so it's currently building tqt3 |
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| ybalrid | okay, so it's done building, packaging, and it's installing the package for real |
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| SlavekB | ybalrid:
Excellent - this is good information for me! I've already prepared the
chroot environment in which I wanted to try to prepare PKGBUILDss, but
time is not enough... |
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| SlavekB | So I am glad that there is someone more experienced with Arch who is being dealt with this. |
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| ybalrid | yeah but I got an error at some point, it wants xscreensaver |
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| ybalrid | wich
is not by default on Arch 'cause nothing is by default on arch and he
forgot it on the dependencies of the package so it wasn't installed by
default |
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| ybalrid | I'm submiting him an issue on his github, since he's active on it he'll probably fix that quickly |
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| ybalrid | getting back on the issue, tdebase depends on libxss, without the lib, ld complains about "-lXss" ^^" |
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| ybalrid | anyway, I'm happy now : http://puu.sh/nU9Mr/c4bb84ad62.jpg |
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| pitriss | ybalrid: congratz:) |
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| ybalrid | The first time I touched a GNU/Linux system, it was a Kubuntu 7.10. I found a live CD somewhere and launched it in a VM... |
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| ybalrid | Then
I thought that KDE really changed a lot with 4, and since I knew people
was maintainig Gnome2 alive (MATE) I looked if the same thing was done
with KDE3 and found TDE ^^" |
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| ybalrid | Konqueror still uses the old KHTML from back in the day? |
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| ybalrid | (I havent looked the changelogs yet) |
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| pitriss | yes unfortunatelly it does.. |
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| pitriss | personally i would like to be able to use some alernative backend for konqueror.. maybe that new one from palemoon |
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| ybalrid | pitriss, yeah. No idie if it's "feasable" to use a modern version of webkit for Konqueror |
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| ybalrid | maybe it's possible to backport it (and the Qt Widget class that goes with them) from a modern version of Qt to tqt3 |
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| pitriss | Idk
too.. but TDE should have some browser with more recent core.. I am fan
of pure accessible web, but.. today nobody thinks about web
accessibility so browsers core gets more bloated with webgl and other
crap |
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| pitriss | maybe there can be added qupzilla or so with added kio_slaves.. idk I'm not coder.. |
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| ybalrid | Well,
I know a bit about how Qt works (I started messing with it with Qt4,
not 3 but whatever), and I'm a C++ developer. If I found some time I can
try to make something works... |
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| ybalrid | Or
maybe TDE could keep the old UI but move forward to newer Qt version.
This is probably a lot a work and is not practical in the short term |
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| ybalrid | I see no reason why theses application couldn't keep their behaviour, look&feel but run against Qt5 for example... |
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| ybalrid | But Qt changed quite a bit from 3 to 5 ^^" |
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| pitriss | ybalrid
I wish it would be possible to integrate palemoon/firefox with TDE..
kwallet for passwords, somehow make kio_slaves working in it.. And I
would be happy.. As palemoon seems as OK browser for me..:) |
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| pitriss | Atleast those passwords.. I found some efforts to do so.. but they were for kde4 |
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| ybalrid | :/ |
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| ybalrid | I never used kwallet to store my passwords so... |
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| ybalrid | I
quite liked konqueror in KDE3. That was the thing actually. This
software do all you basic needs, web, files, opening some documents
even. And I think it can do FTP and stuff, so that's nice |
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| ybalrid | but you can't really browse modern web with an HTML engine that old |
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| pitriss | I'm
using krusader as filebrowser/ftp/sftp client and it can also preview
some files so thats not an issue for me.. but i'm really missing that
kwallet integration for firefox like browsers as I do not trust to their
system of password storing.. |
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| pitriss | on other hand, there are few bugs that i hate more than this lack of kwallet integration:D |
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| SlavekB | on the other browsers I miss especially the cooperation with the session management. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: yep that too, they can't shut off in nice way mostly.. |
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| SlavekB | I usually have several Konqueror windows on different desktops and with different tabs. |
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| SlavekB | Thanks to good cooperation with session manager is properly saved on logout and on the next login open again. |
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| SlavekB | ...on the right desktops and with the right tabs. |
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| pitriss | great.. and this can't be solved for palemoon with some dbus/dcop calls? ofcourse it will need some addon |
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| pitriss | I stuck with palemoon right now as it is much faster than latest firefox which is painfully slow with more than 30 tabs opened |
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| mirda | hi, I would appreciate that kwallet integration in firefox like browser too |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2621 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Enhancement Request] Libre.fm support in Amarok |
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| ZenWalker | hi |
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| ZenWalker | why trinity it isnt on official debian packages? |
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| pitriss | ZenWalker: I'm not sure... ..but maybe because of lack of debian package maintainers who would like to adopt trinity |
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| SlavekB | ZenWalker:
Trinity is installed in /opt/trinity, because otherwise it could cause
conflicts with programs ported to newer versions of KDE. |
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| SlavekB | There
would be a possibility "rename completely everything," but Trinity is
orders of magnitude greater than, for example MATE, so it would require
considerable effort. |
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| SlavekB | ZenWalker: But I dare say that Trinity has a very good support for Debian / Ubuntu packages. |
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| CyberBotX | Hi
there. I was wondering, I saw in the last news post about R14.0.3 that
FreeBSD support was being worked on. May I ask how that is going and
what can be done to help it out? I had actually attempted making a
FreeBSD port of TDE but it was a bit too overwhelming of an undertaking
at the time I was doing it, and I also found some things were not
working quite as well as they did in |
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| CyberBotX | KDE 3.5. |
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| kb9vqf | CyberBotX:
I'm not directly involved in the FreeBSD port, maybe one of our other
developers will respond with more information :) |
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| CyberBotX | Alrighty. I'll be going to bed soon (I have work in the morning, sadly), but I'll keep in here just in case. |
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| kb9vqf | Yeah, that would be a good idea |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB IIRC knows more about that port status than I do right now |
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| CyberBotX | I'd
been using KDE 3.5 for so long and I've been trying to use KDE4 on a
new machine I put together, but some of the weirdness of KDE4 is making
me want to look at TDE instead of trying to continue to locally maintain
old KDE 3.5 ports. |
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| Strangelv | Hello |
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| SlavekB | CyberBotX: on FreeBSD is one major problem - there was something wrong with threads - see bug 2462 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2462 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [FreeBSD] Crash in threads tdm, kdesktop,... |
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| SlavekB | CyberBotX: on tde-packaging git repository you can see what ports are already prepared: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/freebsd?h=r14.0.x |
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| ZenWalker | SlavekB: my question is because mate (fork gnome 2) is on official debian packages, but trinity not yet :) |
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| SlavekB | ZenWalker:
Yes, I understand. Mate carried out many renaming - for them it was a
little easier task - it's not so much size of the source code, it's not
such a number of applications and have a more active developers. |
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| SlavekB | This made it possible to achieve integration into the distributions. |
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| SlavekB | Trinity have a small number of developers and, therefore, focuses on improving the code instead of renaming. |
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| ZenWalker | aha, thanks |
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| SlavekB | A long time ago, I saw statistics that Mate has about 2 million lines of code, while Trinity 12 millions. |
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| mirda | hello and happy easters lately:) |
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| mirda | ZenWalker: TDE has many bundled applications, Kontact, KOrganizer, Konqueror, Krusader, Kpilot, ... |
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| mirda | ZenWalker: how many applications are part of Gnome2 (MATE)? |
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| mirda | i think much less |
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| Strangelv | Would really help to find a sponsor with even semi-deep pockets |
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| Strangelv | Last
I checked many of our bundled applications were superior to their KDE
4+ equivalents. Some rather significantly superior |
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| Strangelv | With enough work they could be reintroduced to KDE |
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| Strangelv | "and yes, getting into Debian would be a very good thing |
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| mirda | i have no problem with external repository, i rather prefer bugfixes |
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| Strangelv | Bugfixes, improvements necessatated by the passage of time, improved reputation and userbase size |
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| Strangelv | For example, support for the HTML 5 doctype in Quanta Plus |
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| Strangelv | Right
now no one has time for that, and while I personally avoid HTML 5 tags
to the greatest extent possible, not having the option doesn't help
attract new users |
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| tbottu | 10ktbz.aoneshot.eliddell@recursor.net changed the Status on bug 364 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=364 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, REOPENED , kitchensync-kde3 install fails |
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| tbottu | 10ktbz.aoneshot.eliddell@recursor.net changed the Status on bug 2406 from RESOLVED WORKSFORME to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2406 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, REOPENED , Broken dependencies on Debian Jessie |
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| tbottu | 10ktbz.aoneshot.eliddell@recursor.net changed the Status on bug 364 from REOPENED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2622 filed by james@nurealm.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2622 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tqt3 and tqtinterface - /etc/profile.d/tqt3.sh and trinity.sh conflict with other Qt-based DE's |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2623 filed by james@nurealm.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2623
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdebindings - ld: cannot find -ltqt-mt,
ruby 2.2 support fails, and no disable ruby configure switch |
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| Strangelv | #2622 doesn't look good |
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| SlavekB | Strangelv: I believe that these files are not included in the source code == apparently are created specifically for Arch Linux. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2622 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2622
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , tqt3 and tqtinterface -
/etc/profile.d/tqt3.sh and trinity.sh conflict with other Qt-based DE's |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2624 filed by dmaglio@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2624 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Amarok: missing engine |
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| Strangelv | Does
anyone know our current status with running
LibreOffice. Things almost display reliably now, but it sends
XOrg CPU usage to maximum and can be impressively slow to respond. |
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| SlavekB | Strangelv: High load I noticing in cases when something is copied to the clipboard from Calc. |
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| Strangelv | Noted. So
that's why it's less ofa problem when I needed to go back
and reopen. I've not copied and pasted anything this time |
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| Strangelv | Do we have any other known situations with major applications like this? |
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| Strangelv | Unrelaned question: is there a way to get a wider selection of DPI settings? |
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| Strangelv | Ideally an arbitrary value with a large possible range |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2623 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2623
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , tdebindings - ld: cannot find
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2623 from NEEDINFO to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2623
normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, ASSIGNED , tdebindings - ld: cannot find
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer: Please, is there any conclusion regarding the proposed patch in http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::15047 ? |
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| kb9vqf | pitriss: Commercial power failure |
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| kb9vqf | Space_Man: ^^ |
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| kb9vqf | took out the entire area including Internet links |
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| pitriss | np.. it happens sometimes:) |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2613 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2613 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, VCardTool::parseDateTime is broken |
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| easyAnalyst | hi every1 |
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| easyAnalyst | the ubuntu release of TDE |
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| easyAnalyst | (http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/cdimages/ubuntu/release/R14.0.3/tde-ubuntu-14.04-desktop-r14.0.3-amd64.iso) |
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| easyAnalyst | is corrupted... |
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| easyAnalyst | i downloaded several times from several computers and ISP and nothing |
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| easyAnalyst | all corrupted |
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| SlavekB | easyAnalyst: checksum is ok? |
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| easyAnalyst | SlavekB, ill check |
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| pitriss | About that ubuntu Image. I was able to download it from http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/cdimages/ubuntu/release/R14.0.3/tde-ubuntu-14.04-desktop-r14.0.3-amd64.iso
and checksum is OK. But Vurtualbox 4.3 refuses to open this image..
Could not get the storage format of the medium
'/PATH/tde-ubuntu-14.04-desktop-r14.0.3-amd64.iso' (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED). |
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| pitriss | I have no physical medium to burn this image there, so I can't help with further testing:( |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: you can try to mount it using option -oloop |
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| pitriss | yep i will try |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: yep, mounting via -o loop is working fine.. |
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| SlavekB | so it looks like a different problem than the corrupted iso file. |
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| pitriss | yeah, most probably.. |
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| SlavekB | I tried to download and run manually in KVM: |
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| SlavekB | kvm -m 512 -cdrom tde-ubuntu-14.04-desktop-r14.0.3-amd64.iso -vga std |
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| SlavekB | It is work normally, including the expected problem during shutdown. |
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| SlavekB | $ file tde-ubuntu-14.04-desktop-r14.0.3-amd64.iso |
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| SlavekB | tde-ubuntu-14.04-desktop-r14.0.3-amd64.iso:
# ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data ''Ubuntu Trusty TDE
amd64' ' (bootable) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2625 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2625 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdeabc/vcardparser/vcardparser.cpp accepted encoding |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2626 filed by m.alonso1970@live.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2626 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , q4os keyboard |
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| a-865 | is there a simple edit I can make with mc somewhere in /etc/ to switch from lightdm to tdm-trinity in Xenial? |
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| SlavekB | a-865: you can try: dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity |
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| a-865 | oops, didn't need to. Apt asked when installing tdm-trinity which I wanted. |
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| a-865 | 14.0.4 on fresh 16.04b is working :-) |
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| SlavekB | a-865: great, thank you for testing it! |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thank you for providing it!!! |
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| a-865 | using modeset X driver instead of nouveau |
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| a-865 | might not be OK |
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| a-865 | logins on vttys are all missing |
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| a-865 | apparently some wierd boot processes not finishing are preventing gettys from starting |
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| a-865 | "Daily Apt Activities", whatever those are |
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| a-865 | If I boot to multi-user instead, I get gettys |
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| a-865 |
/etc/X11/default-display-manager contains /opt/trinity/bin/tdm, which
works to make TDM the greeter. What makes TDE the default session for
startx? |
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| a-865 | update-alternatives --config x-session-manger works, but how? what does it change? |
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| pitriss | Hi guys, does someone use kmail filters on imap mailbox? |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2627 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2627 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TMenu occaisionally quits working |
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| MarkBilk | Hi! please recommend the easiest up-to-date/rolling well-supported binary non-systemd distro that works with TDE. |
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| MarkBilk | does TDE work with over pclinuxos or void linux? |
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| MarkBilk | does TDE work with pclinuxos or void linux? |
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| pitriss | Idk I'm using debian wheezy |
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| kb9vqf | MarkBilk: No idea. We mainly target the mainstream distros, and Arch has IIRC AFAIK |
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| kb9vqf | *has systemd |
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| SlavekB | MarkBilk: Exe GNU/Linux is based on Devuan (Debian without systemd) and primary desktop environment is Trinity. |
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| SlavekB | MarkBilk: Trinity on PCLinuxOS is supported - see rpm packages http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/ |
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| MarkBilk | thanks! PCLinuxOS has a kde version from march 2016 and "over 12,000 rpm software packages" |
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| MarkBilk | so in PCLinuxOS, do i just point Synaptic to http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/pclinuxos/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/ and tell it to install everything, and then restart? |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/PCLinuxOSInstall |
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| MarkBilk | super thanks! |
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| nemilen | hello |
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| nemilen | Whether installing gentoo where possible? |
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| nemilen | Does TDE installation is possible in gentoo? |
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| nemilen | sorry for my eng |
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| nemilen | anybody here/ |
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| nemilen | ? |
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| MarkBilk | SlavekB: check this out: http://trinity.mypclinuxos.com/ |
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| MarkBilk | ISOs of PCLinuxOS with TDE as the desktop! |
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| SlavekB | Yes, this ISO uses RPM packages which I referred. |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: hi, here? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, right now I was looking at your patch. |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: thanks |
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| SlavekB | It is absolutely correct! |
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| SlavekB | I think I'll push the patch very soon. |
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| Fat-Zer | are you going to push it soon, no hurry just wondering... |
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| Fat-Zer | oh))) |
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| SlavekB | I think that currently I have no other patches for common admin and cmake modules that would be good push together. |
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| Fat-Zer | yeah, thanks... just haven't read your message before pushing enter =)) |
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| SlavekB | I wanted to test in the near future build current R14.0.4~pre on FreeBSD where this patch will be very important :) |
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| SlavekB | nemilen: as far as I know, gentoo ebuilds are in good condition. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2628 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2628 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: FTBFS on libr because missing link to libdl |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2628 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| SlavekB | nemilen: some older overlays that were available are not maintaned. |
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| nemilen | SlavekB I have found a way to install TDE ;) |
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| Fat-Zer | nemilen: aren't you Vilen? |
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| nemilen | yes |
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| nemilen | ;) |
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| Fat-Zer | oh) |
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| nemilen | неожиданно) |
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| nemilen | Fat-Zer ничего что тут по русски пишу ? ) |
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| Fat-Zer | nemilen: думаю ничего, но лучше в личку... |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: I wouldn't say whey are in _good_ condinion... the most I can estimate it is "mostly working" |
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| SlavekB | Oh, yeah, I wanted to write: "are not in good condition", but the key word I forgot :) |
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| Fat-Zer | yep, that sounds more like a truth... |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2628 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2628 normal, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: FTBFS on libr because missing link to libdl |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2629 filed by dvadell@clustering.com.ar. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Update in the Nightly_Builds wikip age |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2626 from NEW --- to RESOLVED NOTOURPROBLEM. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2626 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED NOTOURPROBLEM, q4os keyboard |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2629 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Update in the Nightly_Builds wikip age |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2625 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2625 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , tdeabc/vcardparser/vcardparser.cpp accepted encoding |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2630 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2630 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Add "What's new" page for next minor release R14.1.0 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2631 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2631 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Tastymenu enhancement |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2378 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2378 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , eliminate displayed redundance when only one control module is displayed |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2632 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2632 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDEPowersave: ESC functionality in "inactivity" dialog |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2632 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2632 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , TDEPowersave: ESC functionality in "inactivity" dialog |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2625 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2625 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdeabc/vcardparser/vcardparser.cpp accepted encoding |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2633 filed by dvadell@clustering.com.ar. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2633 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Unresolved dependencies - Ubuntu 16.04 beta 2 + Preliminary Stable Builds |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2633 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2633 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , Unresolved dependencies - Ubuntu 16.04 beta 2 + Preliminary Stable Builds |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2628 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2628 normal, P5, ---, albator78, REOPENED , Build issue: FTBFS on libr because missing link to libdl |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2634 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2634 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: FTBFS because missing link to libcrypto |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2634 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2634 normal, P5, ---, albator78, PATCHAVAIL , Build issue: FTBFS because missing link to libcrypto |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2635 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2635 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: FTBFS in libtdeldap when using mit-krb5 library |
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| tbottu | 10dvadell@clustering.com.ar changed the Status on bug 2633 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2633 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Unresolved dependencies - Ubuntu 16.04 beta 2 + Preliminary Stable Builds |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2474 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2474 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, KPlayer port from kde3 to tde |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 1955 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1955 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Add KXMLEditor to repository |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2029 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2029
needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, qalculate-kde KDE
headers in installation prefix, can you package Qalcuate! to Trinity? |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2260 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2260 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Tasty Menu |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2086 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2086 needs packaging, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Request for packaging: style ia-ora |
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| mirda | hello |
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| mirda | SlavekB: thank you very much for qalculate package |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2636 filed by stara@live.se. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2636 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , network |
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| milisman | hi guys |
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| milisman | i want to ask how much ram use trinity at start |
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| milisman | i am asking less value |
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| SlavekB | milisman: It might interest you https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops-part-2/ |
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| milisman | yes i have already reading it :) |
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| milisman | actually i want to ask you that ypu are using it |
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| milisman | how much can we see less value |
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| milisman | SlavekB which distro on you are running trinity? |
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| SlavekB | I currently use Debian Wheezy |
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| milisman | how much you see |
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| milisman | at start |
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| SlavekB | I have many things running right at the start of session - Icewease, Amarok, KMail,... |
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| milisman | i see |
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| SlavekB | so the question is how to define "at start" |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: hi, sorry for nagging about the patch issue, but how more it will take to build the packages? |
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| milisman | i mean no process will run at start |
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| milisman | only desktop manager will run |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer_: building packages has been completed! I will push the patch very soon. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok... thanks in advance... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | milisman:
I can't remember my RAM usage, but in general it will be comfortable
enough to use with ≥512M RAM and it will be nearly impossible with
<192M |
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| milisman | https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png |
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| milisman | i found this |
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| milisman | but i think it consumes more than this picture |
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| Fat-Zer_ | milisman: current usage of main components on my system: |
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| Fat-Zer_ | 24 hosts allow = 127.0.0.1 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | 25 hosts deny = 0.0.0.0/0 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ps h -o rss,cmd -C kded,twin,konqueror,kdesktop,kicker | awk '{print $1/1024"M\t"$2;}' | wgetpaste |
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| Fat-Zer_ | Your paste can be seen here: https://bpaste.net/show/cf0105fc8cf4 |
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| milisman | good |
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| milisman | except konqueror it consumes 127mb |
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| milisman | i think trinity is close xfce4 about ram using |
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| milisman | ok,i want to try it my own distro how can i pratically compile it |
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| milisman | i want to just compile core |
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| milisman | i read this: |
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| milisman | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| milisman | but a bit i messed |
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| milisman | https://bpaste.net/show/1ad9c1578946 |
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| milisman | these are enough for a cre? |
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| milisman | core* |
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| Fat-Zer_ | yes, but qca and avahi are optional... |
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| milisman | ok |
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| milisman | let me a try |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2637 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2637 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , "konsole": color and bold attributes not handled orthogonally |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2638 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2638 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , screen saver & TDEpowersave ignore certain user time settings |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2639 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2639 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , screen-saver unlock dialog freezing GUI? |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2639 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2639 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , screen-saver unlock dialog freezing GUI? |
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| a-865 | nothing
provides libHalf.so.12()(64bit) needed by
trinity-tdebase-tdeio-plugins-14.0.3-1.oss421.x86_64 (wants
to remove more than 20 packages. :-( |
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| a-865 | Oh, looks like yet another Packman dep |
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| tbottu | 10thomas.maus@gmx.de changed the Status on bug 2639 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2639 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , screen-saver unlock dialog freezing GUI? |
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| a-865 | 14.0.3 on Jessie is crashing on startup due to a segfault somewhere that I cannot tell :-( |
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| a-865 | in .xsession-errors segfault follows [starttde] TDEDIRS: |
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| Fat-Zer_ | a-865: are you running tde from terminal or from a dm? |
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| a-865 | Intel GMA45 |
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| a-865 | crashes either way |
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| a-865 | usually I use startx, but trinity-tdm same result |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2378 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2378 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, eliminate displayed redundance when only one control module is displayed |
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| a-865 | dmesg says pipe state doesn't match |
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| a-865 | that's following a long message about check_crtc_state |
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| Fat-Zer_ | you may increase the log verbosity replacing starttde with "/bin/sh -x /path/to/starttde" |
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| Fat-Zer_ | this will likely tell the exact place of failure |
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| a-865 | replace how? I'm simply executing startx with no options. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | startx simply executes content of ~/.xinitrc isn't it? |
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| a-865 | .xinitrc does not exist |
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| Fat-Zer_ | /etc/<something>/xinitrc ? |
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| a-865 | /etc/Xsession.d/ I think |
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| a-865 | /etc/xinit/xinitrc |
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| Fat-Zer_ | or you may still just create a user specific file... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | on gentoo it's /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.... not sure about debian... |
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| a-865 | /etc/xinit/xinitrc only contains . /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2632 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2632 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, TDEPowersave: ESC functionality in "inactivity" dialog |
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| a-865 | entire .xsession-errors: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Xorg/xsession-errors-jessie-gx780 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | 403 |
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| a-865 | just fixed that |
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| a-865 | tail of /var/log/kern.log http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Xorg/dmsgtail.gx780-jessie |
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| a-865 | I would use Xorg's built-in modeset driver it Jessie wasn't using that antique server 1.16.4 |
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| a-865 | somehow I think this Jessie is stuck on 8.0 instead of 8.4 |
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| a-865 | os-release just says 8 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | a-865: isn't this log is an hour old? |
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| a-865 | no, just minutes |
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| a-865 | http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Xorg/ |
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| Fat-Zer_ | try just run "startx /bin/sh -x /path/to/starttde >/tmp/starttde-full.log 2>&1" |
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| Fat-Zer_ | and upload /tmp/starttde-full.log |
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| a-865 | http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Xorg/starttde-fulllog.txt |
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| SlavekB | a-865: you have installed kgtk-qt3? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | yes he is... |
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| SlavekB | please, purge this package |
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| Fat-Zer_ | is it causes segfaults? |
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| SlavekB | It is very common cause of such crashes |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: purging fixed it. :-) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: by the word, there is a typo in starttde around line 584: TGTK_NSPR_PRELOAD and KGTK_NSPR_PRELOAD mess... |
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| kb9vqf | Fixing kgtk-qt3 is on a to-do list if I ever get time to work on TDE again |
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| kb9vqf | I have had plans for a proper third-party theming framework for some time |
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| SlavekB | please fill an bug report about starttde |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I'm gotta go right now.... I'll fill if I won't forget... |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: who is that request directed to? |
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| a-865 | we don't need 3 |
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| a-865 | crashing was happening here even using tdm |
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| a-865 | on exit from the session, there's still a call trace left on the vtty |
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| Fat-Zer_ | just undo everything I've told you... gl;hf; bye... |
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| a-865 | hmmm, I already filed http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2477 about it 2 months ago |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2477: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , tde session won't run if kgtk-qt3-trinity is installed in jessie |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2638 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2638 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , screen saver & TDEpowersave ignore certain user time settings |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2637 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2637 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , "konsole": color and bold attributes not handled orthogonally |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2541 from PATCHAVAIL to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2541
normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , ark rar improvements: fix
support with rar utilities v5.x and improve listing of folders |
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| SlavekB | mirda:
By the way, if you want to test qalculate now - with the Preliminary
Stable Builds, you can add next to deps-r14 and main-r14 new test source
extra-r14. |
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| mirda | SlavekB: oki, thank you for info, i will test it |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2640 filed by matrixx-trinity@underald.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2640 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Amarok doesn't play without pulseaudio, but no dependency on it |
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| Fat-Zer | hi, have anybody tried to mount an ntfs volume with TDE on a udisks2 distro ever? |
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| Fat-Zer | OFC, assuming udevil is unavaliable... |
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| Fat-Zer | ok, not ever, but over last 2 years? |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2641 filed by fatzer2@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2641 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , typo in starttde script |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2541 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2541
normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, ark rar improvements:
fix support with rar utilities v5.x and improve listing of folders |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2641 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2641 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, typo in starttde script |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2412 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2412 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , TDEpowersave: Suspends to RAM and then to disk |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2472 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2472 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , OTR icon missing in kopete message window |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2601 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2601 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , TDEpowersave + Logout menu should offer Suspend2Hybrid |
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| Fat-Zer | could anybody confirm that mount of ntfs volumes with udisks2 is broken? |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2642 filed by contact@librepc.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2642 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Mageia5 repos are not functionals with urpmi.addmedia --distrib |
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| ShadowAndrew | adept manager crashes on startup, any way to fix? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | what is adept manager? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | oh... apt stuff... I'm dunno... |
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| Space_Man | is the adept manager an old package manager that now crashes a lot |
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| Space_Man | and in the old days used to crash only a bit |
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| pitriss | lol thats great description:D |
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| ShadowAndrew | i am trying out the konqueror web browser but nothing is rendering properly |
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| ShadowAndrew | any ideas why? |
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| Space_Man | it is very old and quite out of date |
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| ShadowAndrew | no plans on updating it im guessing? |
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| Space_Man | perhaps if somebody offers to do it :P |
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| ShadowAndrew | because i do like how its integrated with all the tde apps |
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| ShadowAndrew | with websites that work |
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| ShadowAndrew | when i open a video it starts streaming in kaffine, etc |
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| ShadowAndrew | well i would like to work on it but i can't code... |
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| Space_Man | I have the same problem |
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| ShadowAndrew | firefox just doesn't seem to integrate well with tde |
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| ShadowAndrew | i tried to redirect rss subscriptions to akregator but it doesn't wanna work :/ |
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| ShadowAndrew | there also doesn't seem to be any QT based browsers with up to date browser engines.... :/ |
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| a-865 | What's the URI for the pre-release 14.0.4? It's missing from https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall :-( |
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| a-865 | I can never find Slavek's repo when I want it :-( |
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| a-865 | found it: http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2643 filed by jayaramanmani@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2643 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Adept keep crashing |
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| * a-865 is installing TDE in stretch |
| a-865 | has the infocenter not been built for 14.0.4? |
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| a-865 | NVM, I had a typo :-p |
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| gry | this is not packaged for debian? |
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| gry | and hi, I saw you at moz network linux chan for years but not talking :) |
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| a-865 | not much talkin goes on there ever |
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| a-865 | ppl come and ask question, then don't stick around for answer |
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| SlavekB | a-865: infocenter is integrated into control center. |
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| a-865 | right, but my typo made me question that |
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| a-865 | tdecmchell doesn't work |
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| Fat-Zer_ | How to debug trinity apps with gdb? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | whenever I run "gdb ark" |
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| Fat-Zer_ | it does some dcop stuff and exits, when actual app seams to be run by tded, does anybody knows a way to overcome that? |
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| a-865 | Fat-Zer_: start ark first, then in Konsole do 'gdb ark <pidofark>' |
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| Fat-Zer_ | a-865: I'm debugging a crash on start... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok... actually crash is upon oppening a file... that's not very convinient, but works... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | thanks |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2644 filed by fatzer2@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , ark: segfault and some more issues in recent rar engine |
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| tbottu | 10fatzer2@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2644 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2644 normal, P5, ---, fatzer2, PATCHAVAIL , ark: segfault and some more issues in recent rar engine |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2645 filed by fatzer2@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2645 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tqtinterface FTBFS if tqt3 was build without opengl and opengl is not present on system |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2645 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2645 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , tqtinterface FTBFS if tqt3 was build without opengl and opengl is not present on system |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: hi, haven't understood your question on the bug... |
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| SlavekB | can you check file tqt-mt.pc and variable qt_config? |
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| SlavekB | This variable should contain information on how tqt3 was built. |
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| SlavekB | It might be a clue as to whether tqtinterface can or can not build with opengl. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | https://bpaste.net/show/7e39ea57603d |
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| Fat-Zer_ | attached to the bug as well |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I may attach both build logs if you wish |
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| SlavekB | Thank you - it is so - opengl is not referenced in pkg-config file if tqt3 was not built with opengl. |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: hi, got some time to push a patch a right now? |
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| Fat-Zer | https://bpaste.net/show/33b5e2f9bfee |
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| Fat-Zer | it fixes splited build of tdegames |
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| Fat-Zer | *with cmake |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer: ok, will be pushed soon. |
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| Fat-Zer | thanks in advance... please notice me here then ready... |
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| Fat-Zer | *when |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer: patch was pushed |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: hi, about previous patch: there were a typo in kjumpingcube |
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| Fat-Zer | here is a fix: https://bpaste.net/show/169e1954db7f |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer: second patch pushed |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2646 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2646 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDEFileReplace: fix order of entries |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2647 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2647 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Central setting for screen locking and hiding is needed |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2648 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2648 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tqt3: add sort options for TQListView |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2649 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2649 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , No error message is displayed if hibernation fails |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2650 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2650 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDEPowersave display undimm problem. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | could anybody test if ksokoban crashes on start? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | backtrace is: https://bpaste.net/show/3baaade4b4bf |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer_: Yes - I tried ksokoban in 14.0.4~pre on Debian Wheezy and also crashes on start! |
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| Fat-Zer_ | is it was built with cmake? |
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| SlavekB | yes, with cmake |
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| SlavekB | Later I would try to rework a test machine to R14.0.3 and try there. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok... I'm building with autotools right now to try if the crash will go... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | builded with autotools version works, so it's a cmake issue... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I found the problem: with cmake ksokoban compresses it's levels with zlib, support for witch seams to be broken... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: patch to fix the ksokoban: https://bpaste.net/show/bba4f6573a3c |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer_: Thank you, will be pushed soon. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | np |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB:
what drive mount backend is used on your distro, if it's udisks:2, than
could you confirm that ntfs volume mount is broken? |
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| SlavekB | on my Debian Wheezy I have udisks. |
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| SlavekB | I try to find time during the weekend to try it on my test notebook with Debian Jessie. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok, thanks in advance... |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer_:
I found here my test disk with many versions of Ubuntu. I tried Ubuntu
15.04 (Vivid) - which has udisks2. With USB disks with NTFS works as it
should. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | hm... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | what exactly version of udisks it provides? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: according to http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/vivid/universe/base/udisks it has udisks-1 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | *not an official site |
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| SlavekB | oops, I've turned off the machine. I'll look later... |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer_: udisk2 - 2.1.5-1 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: and nor udevil nor udisks 1 are installed, right? |
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| SlavekB | only udisks2 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | hm... strange... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: what locale do you have? |
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| SlavekB | cs_CZ.UTF-8 :) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | isn't your flashdrive listed on the fstab? |
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| SlavekB | no |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I, personally recieve this error on ntfs mount: http://itmages.com/image/view/4237480/992f36d5 |
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| SlavekB | you have installed ntfs-3g + fuse? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | sure |
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| Fat-Zer_ | it's seems to me quite obvious from the sources why it happens, but I damn can't understand why it works for you |
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| Fat-Zer_ | and everybody else... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | the thing is udidks expects "ntfs" rather than ntfs-3g as a file system type... |
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| SlavekB | Sorry, I have to go away now. I'll be back in a few hours. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2601 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, TDEpowersave + Logout menu should offer Suspend2Hybrid |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2602 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2602 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Terminology and documentation of TDEpowersave and suspend modes |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 71 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=71 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , kde panel hiding - raise responds too slowly or sometimes not at all |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2651 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2651 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: FTBFS on tdelibs with older libcryptsetup |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2651 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2651 normal, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: FTBFS on tdelibs with older libcryptsetup |
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| a-865 | I'd like to install TDE in antiX16, which is Jessie-based. I keep getting errors from apt trying to install it: |
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| a-865 | sh: 1: /usr/local/lib/desktop-menu/desktop-menu-apt-update: not found |
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| a-865 | E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Pre-Invoke '/usr/local/lib/desktop-menu/desktop-menu-apt-update set' |
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| a-865 | E: Sub-process returned an error code |
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| a-865 | Anyone know if this is fixable, and how? |
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| pitriss | a-865: hm and did you tried to create script /usr/local/lib/desktop-menu/desktop-menu-apt-update with just exit 0 in it? |
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| a-865 | pitriss: with what permissions? |
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| a-865 | 644 doesn't work |
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| a-865 | rw-r--r-- doesn't work |
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| pitriss | you need to make it executable.. |
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| pitriss | a-865: chmod +x /usr/local/lib/desktop-menu/desktop-menu-apt-update |
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| pitriss | a-865: and maybe try to put # |
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| pitriss | err |
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| pitriss | #!/bin/sh |
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| pitriss | on top of that file to specify interpreter |
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| pitriss | it really should work because your instalation complains only that there is no such script.:) |
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| a-865 | sh: 1: /usr/local/lib/desktop-session/desktop-session-slim-update.sh: not found |
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| a-865 | E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Pre-Invoke '/usr/local/lib/desktop-session/desktop-session-slim-update.sh --check-diff=set ' |
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| a-865 | E: Sub-process returned an error code |
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| a-865 | I get the original message even trying to install aptitude |
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| pitriss | Sorry
I don't know antix.. It looks like they removed some standard debian
scripts.. you can try to symlink all missing scripts to your first
replacement you created already there is still chance it will work
properly :) |
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| a-865 | as this is a beta antiX, maybe I hit a bug |
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| a-865 | I even get that message from apt upgrade :-( |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2624 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Amarok: missing engine |
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| a-865 | anyone have any idea why in Stretch installing kaffeine-trinity installs hdparm and powermgmt-base? |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2652 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2652 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Switch User auto-logs previous "Switch User" session and claims new F* terminal |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2653 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2653 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Enhancement Request] OMEMO support for Kopete |
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| SlavekB | a-865:
Hdparm is used in Kaffeine installation wizard to determine the DMA
transfer for the DVD drive. And powermgmt-base is recommended by hdparm. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB:
I have no recollection of the question. My current problem is cannot
get VLC fonts big enough (same size as elsewhere) in TDE on either
Stretch or openSUSE. |
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| a-865 | also I have no sound of any kind (again) in stretch |
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| a-865 | vlc like so: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/q4os-144dpiDesktop.jpg |
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| pitriss | a-865: did you have tried to tune qt4 look in qtconfig-qt4 ? vlc is using qt4 not tqt:) |
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| a-865 | pitriss: no luck so far finding docs how to to any such things :-( |
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| a-865 | qtconfig-qt4 command not found pitriss |
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| pitriss | a-865: look into your repository.. its standalone package in debian |
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| a-865 | pitriss:
I have suse booted ATM. /usr/bin/qtconfig is from libqt4-x11 rpm.
/usr/bin/qtconfig has fonts set to 15, yet VLC ffonts look like about
8pt. |
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| pitriss | then
I don't know.. my vlc is using qt4.. maybe your vlc is using another
frontend? IDK.. I don't use vlc too much.. i prefer smplayer which
follow settings:) |
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| a-865 | pitriss: this isn't for any of my machines. I'm working on a friend's who is nearly blind, barely use PC with a 40" TV. |
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| a-865 | I can't find any way to see what frontend VLC actually uses. |
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| a-865 | about VLC shows nothing about build |
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| a-865 | VLC in openSUSE on KDE3 picks up UI font perfectly |
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| a-865 | pitriss: qtconfig-qt4 fixed it in Jessie :-) |
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| a-865 | pitriss: qtconfig-qt4 fixed UI in Jessie :-) |
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| a-865 | pitriss: vlc won't play a CD in Jessie :-( |
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| pitriss | glad to hear..;) |
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| a-865 | Oh, plays CD, just have to wait a long time for it to start |
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| a-865 | no indication startup does anything until play starts |
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| a-865 | looks
like a bug needs probably filing in openSUSE, because all that changed
was font setting in ~/.config/Trolltech.conf, which was already set in
openSUSE, so doesn't need changing. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB:
with mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch, selecting reboot by user or
from greeter simply switches to tty1, doesn't do anything WRT actually
rebooting. CAD required. |
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| a-865 | restart in greeter on stretch simply switches to vtty1, does nothing WRT restart :-( |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2625 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2625 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , tdeabc/vcardparser/vcardparser.cpp accepted encoding |
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| a-865 | does TDE not make system sounds unless pulseaudio and pulseaudio-x11 packages are installed? if so, why aren't they deps? |
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| a-865 | or, are they only required if multiple sound devices" |
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| a-865 | or, are they only required if multiple sound "devices" exist? |
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| SlavekB | a-865: normally I avoid installing anything 'pulse' on my systems and sound problems have not noticed. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB:
I finally got HDMI to work in openSUSE only after installing and
enabling pulseaudio, but kmix won't couple to it. Only pulseaudio's
volume window works, and it's apparently broken, can't tell how to
adjust until the mouse happens over the right part of the window. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: just figured out how to couple kmix to pulseaudio, so maybe I'm finally done, 2 weeks later. :-p |
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| a-865 | Is http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/tdeUserPavucontrolMissingScale.png supposed to look like it does? |
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| a-865 | Is http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/tdeUserPavucontrolMissingScale.png supposed to look like it does? |
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| SlavekB | a-865: Error 404 - Object not found! |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: sorry, renamed it after asking: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/tde108UserPavucontrolMissingScale.png |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2654 filed by auronius@inbox.lv. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2654 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Konqueror does not save file in typed location. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2655 filed by auronius@inbox.lv. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2655 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Unpacking archives, using Krusader. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2656 filed by dvadell@clustering.com.ar. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2656 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Building tqt3 -- config.tests/unix/cups.test needs /usr/lib64 in LIBDIRS |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2657 filed by mrmazda@earthlink.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2657 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [cannot use TTS] no Festival voices found |
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| pitriss | hi
guys please why smplayer in R14.0.3 refuses to start with message
"TQPaintDevice: Must construct a TQApplication before a TQPaintDevice" |
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| a-865 | pitriss: SMPlayer works in TDE in openSUSE 42.1, and IIRC, TDE in Debian Stretch. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2658 filed by mrmazda@earthlink.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2658 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , no icon in menu or system tray for KTTSMgr |
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| a-865 | is
anyone using stretch having a problem shutting down or rebooting from
greeter? Here one machine is switching from greeter to vtty1 on
selecting either shutdown or reboot :-( |
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| SlavekB | a-865: Unfortunately, for now I have not a test machine with Stretch. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: I have more than one, and problem only occurs on one of them |
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| SlavekB | only on one of them? |
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| a-865 | exactly. The others behave as expected. |
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| SlavekB | hmm, strange |
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| a-865 | not my own machine, and stretch rather than jessie only because too new hardware for jessie |
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| a-865 | owner nearly blind |
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| a-865 | owner virtually blind |
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| a-865 | must be my mistake - restoring OEM kdmrc fixes it |
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| a-865 | tdmrc |
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| SlavekB | Ah, interesting. Try to compare the previous and functional tdmrc. |
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| a-865 | diff -u produces 117 lines |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: any ideas looking at this diff what could cause it? http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/Bobs/badStretchReboot-diff.txt |
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| a-865 | probaby I changed the shutdown/reboot lines because already broken |
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| a-865 | after reediting tdmrc, reboot/shutdown remains working as expected :-) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2659 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2659 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Yakuake looses focus on screen saver avtivate |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2660 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2660 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , UTF mangling in tdepim/libkcal/icalformat.cpp |
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| a-865 | another successful 14.0.4 installation to a minimal fresh Stretch installation :-) |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: another successful 14.0.4 installation to a minimal fresh Stretch installation :-) |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2660 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2660 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , UTF mangling in tdepim/libkcal/icalformat.cpp |
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| nach_ | I
just upgraded from KDE3 to TDE on Debian, and none of my settings
seemed to have been copied over, further, KDM (TDM?) doesn't seem to run
on boot. What can I do to fix this? |
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| SlavekB | nach_: you can use /opt/trinity/bin/migratekde3 script |
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| nach_ | SlavekB: when do I run that? after logging in? before starting X? |
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| SlavekB | before starting X |
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| nach_ | okay thanks |
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| SlavekB | It addresses the migration of user profile. |
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| nach_ | and I guess adding a symlink in /usr/bin to /opt/trinity/bin/tdm would solve the kdm/tdm load issue? |
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| SlavekB | TDM has its own startup script. |
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| nach_ | where is it / how do I run it? |
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| SlavekB | /etc/init.d/tdm-trinity |
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| nach_ | I don't have that file |
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| SlavekB | $ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/tdm-trinity |
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| SlavekB | tdm-trinity: /etc/init.d/tdm-trinity |
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| nach_ | I see the same thing from dpkg, yet I don't have that file installed ... |
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| nach_ | I guess I'll run the migratre script then figure out the missing TDM script after |
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| nach_ | thanks |
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| DrNach | Okay,
the migration script wasn't perfect, it didn't copy stuff in kicker
properly, but seemed to otherwise do a fairy decent job |
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| DrNach | Fonts also seem to have changed |
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| SlavekB | if it is something that could be corrected, do not hesitate to report a bug. |
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| DrNach | Hmm, klamav is not in Trinity? |
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| SlavekB | not yet |
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| DrNach | Transparency is not working in the TDE Panel |
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| DrNach | Based on what I see in the settings that were copied over, it was done correctly, but it's opaque despite the settings |
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| tbottu | 10thomas.maus@gmx.de changed the Status on bug 2607 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2607
major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Storage Media Applet/kio: Removable
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| tbottu | 10thomas.maus@gmx.de changed the Status on bug 2638 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2638 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , screen saver & TDEpowersave ignore certain user time settings |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2661 filed by thomas.maus@gmx.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2661 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Reboot+Shutdown menu entries just Logout |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1940 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , KWrited message window does not repond to normal Ctrl-Q to close the window |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1882 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Font Installer has no standard dialog buttons when launched from within KControl |
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| tbottu | 10deloptes@yahoo.com changed the Status on bug 1848 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1848 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , KControl->Peripherals->Display->Power Control is hard-coded for kpowersave |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2662 filed by dragun97yu@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2662 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , CTRL + SHIFT can't be set as the switching key combination in the Control Center |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2663 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2663 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Package Request] Knights themepacks |
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| nocab1 | hay |
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| ShadowAndrew | will konqueror be able to use webkit in the future? |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 1375 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1375
critical, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Not processed
BACKGROUND, FOREGROUND, etc. colors in Xrdb and cause git gui to fail. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2539 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2539 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Incorrect desktop icon displayed for SD card |
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| danykey | hi to all!!! |
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| danykey | guys,
incrediable thanks a lot for Trinity Desktop. I just ran trought X2GO
remote..it's working very fast. So, TDE it's true human desktop for
work! |
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| danykey | now a bit bad news for me |
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| danykey | I tried to run Netbeans 8.1 and it crashed |
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| SlavekB | danykey: if you have set gtk-qt engine, try to switch to another gtk theme. |
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| SlavekB | gtk-qt engine sometimes is not reliable. |
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| danykey | how it switch? |
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| SlavekB | In Trinity Control Center is GTK Styles and Fonts. |
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| danykey | ok, tnx |
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| danykey | is need to relogin? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you should be sure that it used a new theme, it is better to relogin. |
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| danykey | excellent, it was fixed |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2664 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2664 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Bugtracker requires me to log in twice |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2665 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2665 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Knights littering my home directory with files |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2666 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2666 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Move misplaced hidden files/folders |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2667 filed by matrixx-trinity@underald.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2667 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , default applications not present in control center |
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| danykey | hi to all |
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| danykey | I have some trouble with desktop sharing which in the kde3. Vnc active session session consumes about 80% of CPU |
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| danykey | but it's works faster then x11vnc |
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| kb9vqf | danykey: That might be expected; the tradeoff in TDE was for faster updates at the expense of CPU |
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| danykey | is it possible to tune? |
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| kb9vqf | danykey:
I haven't looked into it. If you're curious you could try
attaching callgrind to the process and see what's eating all the CPU
time |
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| danykey | ok, tnx |
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| danykey | I want to say massive thanks to all for TDE. It's works excellent trought remote x2go. I hope you won't migrate to qt4. |
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| kb9vqf | danykey: don't worry, a long time ago I tried to abstract things into Qt4, and the performance was atrocious |
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| danykey | QT4 is sluggish |
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| kb9vqf | Qt5 seems better in empirical testing, but they dropped a *ton* of stuff |
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| danykey | gtk3 also very slugish..it't not for effective work..I am afraid this negative trend.. |
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| danykey | The Synaptic was ported to GTK3..so that I got? The sluggish stupid program instead of GTK2 version which worked as a rocket.. |
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| kb9vqf | danykey:
I think without hard numbers (e.g. writing a test case to press a
button repeatedly and see how many clicks happen in 15 seconds) there is
no way this will ever be addressed |
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| kb9vqf | I never had the time to sit down and write the test programs :-/ |
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| kb9vqf | right now it's all very subjective and therefore very easy to sweep under the rug |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2668 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2668 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Enhancement Request] Application-specific Tips For Amor |
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| danykey | hi to all |
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| danykey | I will try to build tde for nixos. Which source packages need to build minimal tde? |
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| kb9vqf | danykey: tqt3, tqtinterface, arts |
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| kb9vqf | there are a handful of others, libr for instance, but those may already be on your platform |
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| danykey | ok, tnx |
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| danykey | http://mirror.ntmm.org/trinity/releases/R14.0.3/R14.0.3-core.tar is it minimal? |
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| danykey | ah..I found dependencies/tqt3 |
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| danykey | dependencies/tqtinterface |
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| danykey | dependencies/arts |
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| kb9vqf | after that build tdelibs and tdebase |
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| kb9vqf | that'll get you a minimal desktop |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2669 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2669 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kopete troubles with TLS |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2670 filed by martin.hodges@getmail.no. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2670 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Apt-get update cannot download packages file. Gets 502 proxy error. |
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| tbottu | 10martin.hodges@getmail.no changed the Status on bug 2670 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2670 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Apt-get update cannot download packages file. Gets 502 proxy error. |
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| ShadowAndrew | does anyone know how to enable the side image on the kicker? |
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| Strangelv | "Side image? I remember seeing something about a bagckground image; does that count? |
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| ShadowAndrew | oh i mean the tde menu |
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| ShadowAndrew | where you launch your applications and stuff |
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| Strangelv | Yes, that's what I meant |
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| Strangelv | The background image for Kicker, not the desktop, but I obviously didn't clarify in time |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2671 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2671 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Tork limiting ports allowed through firewall |
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| jagged_ | high!
i got a problem with kde 3.5... i hope i can still ask here... the
point is, i started (an also old) seamonkey, which on facebook came
across a script that wouldn't stop... i tried to just close it, but it
didn't respond... then kde kicked in, with its killer-helper... |
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| jagged_ | but it wasn't able to properly kill seamonkey, which is now listed by ps as <defunct> |
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| jagged_ | the killer helper could be killed with the -kill signal (didn't respond to -term) |
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| jagged_ | but now the x-server is busy for one core's cpu time, and the desktop doesn't respond at all... |
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| jagged_ | i can't just kill X, because i have several kate sessions open, with unsaved changes... :-/ |
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| jagged_ | any idea what i can do? |
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| kb9vqf | OxCEA5ED: Hate to say it but I think X is down hard |
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| kb9vqf | not much you can do |
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| kb9vqf | I've seen that a few times, essentially your kernel / Xorg cannot recover from the overload / high RAM use |
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| kb9vqf | it's not specific to TDE per se |
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| OxCEA5ED | hmmm... my guess would be it's spin-waiting for something... |
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| OxCEA5ED | no, probably it's not TDE-specific... |
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| OxCEA5ED | as i expected, it appears to be stuck in or around __select_nocancel() --- will ask for help on a more debuggish channel... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well, some gdb trickery brought me my desktop back into the normal state :-D |
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| OxFEEDBACC | thanks for your time... |
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| pragomer_1 | hi guys. I want to try TDE. could you give me advice: is there any distro tde works better/worse than on others? |
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| pragomer_1 | the distros I like are: suse leap 42.1 / ubuntu 14.04 / ubuntu 16.04 |
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| pragomer_1 | any differences or is it equal when installing tde from a minimal system? |
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| SlavekB | Main developers use Debian / Ubuntu. |
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| pragomer_1 | you mean main developers of tde ? |
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| SlavekB | Suse may have conflicts in dependencies. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, main developers of TDE :) |
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| pragomer_1 | ok, so ... any advantadge / disadv. ubuntu 14.04 vs 16.04 regarding TDE? |
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| SlavekB | both should be okay for TDE. |
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| pragomer_1 | ok.. and.. last question.. I promise.. |
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| pragomer_1 | best to start with e.g. ubuntu-server? |
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| pragomer_1 | as a minimal system? |
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| SlavekB | I normally use the alternate installer for Ubuntu. |
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| SlavekB | this is like netinst for Debian. |
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| pragomer_1 | I thought the alternate iso would not exist anymore (for newer versions like 16.04) ?? |
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| SlavekB | Very small netboot iso is available: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/16.04/ |
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| pragomer_1 | so I take this "mini.iso" to boot from cd ? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| SlavekB | this contains kernel + initramdisk with installer. |
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| SlavekB | all other will be downloded from apt repositories. |
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| pragomer_1 | ok. thank you very much. going to try TDE now.. have a good day |
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| ninja_ | Hello, I'm having some problems installing trinity desktop on Kubuntu 16.04 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2672 filed by krisgamrat@hushmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2672 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Enhancement Request] KMail: Do signing and decrypting through KGPG |
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| editheraven | hello
there. I have a question. What TDE use to grab root needs in GUI? For
instance in settings>network devices? I don't have a root acc and I
want to set that program to use sudo instead of su. Thanks. |
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| SlavekB | editheraven: you can install package tdesudo-trinity. |
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| editheraven | That's wonderful. Thanks. I've just started to use tde and I'm not aware of all available packages |
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| SlavekB | Be welcome among Trinity users :) |
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| editheraven | Thank you :) |
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| a-865 | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse42.1/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64 is unreachable here :-( |
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| Space_Man | for me it redirects to http://kuiper.mirrorservice.org/sites/trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse42.1/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/ |
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| a-865 | here is wants but cannot reach tde-mirror.yosemite.net |
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| a-865 | seems to have cleared up |
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| editheraven | Hello
there. I have 2 questions, if I may. 1st : how can I invoke logut
dialog manually? and second : how can I set the removable drives in
autostart dialog, to mount before I chose "open"? Can I add a custom
action in that dialog window? Thank you. |
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| pitriss | editheraven:
hello, I believe answer to your second question lies in kontrol =>
periphetals => storage devices (sorry i have localized Trinity into
not english language so It might be inaccurate) |
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| pitriss | But I never used it.. as that dialog annoys me so I have it disabled:) |
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| a-865 | which .rpm contains the tde .desktop session file? |
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| a-865 | startx is exiting immediately instead of starting /opt/trinity/bin/startted |
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| a-865 | startx is exiting immediately instead of starting /opt/trinity/bin/starttde |
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| a-865 | no tde session exists to choose in tdm |
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| a-865 | "Invalid Security Certificate" :-( |
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| Kbuzz | Hi. thanks for making and maintaining trinity! |
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| Kbuzz | Working great for me so far |
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| Kbuzz | is trinity-kopete maintained at all? Doesn't seem to like jabber in either kde3 or tirnity |
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| SlavekB | Kbuzz: I use kopete every day - for jabber and irc. |
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| Kbuzz | that's
good to hear then. I'm trying to find a way to log the problem.
Basically, trinity-kopete and kde3-kopete wont login to my jabber
account. |
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| Kbuzz | but kde4-kopete works fine |
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| Kbuzz | There was an error authenticating with the server: Login failed with unknown reason. |
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| SlavekB | Kbuzz: I think of one of the potential complications - see bug 2669 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2669 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kopete troubles with TLS |
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| Kbuzz | Yeah TLS might have something to do with it. Enabling it gives the following |
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| Kbuzz | 'The Certificate Authority is invalid' |
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| Kbuzz | and then 'Malformed packet received' |
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| Kbuzz | 'No appropriate authentication mechanism available' |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: does http://mirror.xcer.cz/ have a howto somewhere to configure the beta repos for stretch? |
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| a-865 | trinity-sb just gets 14.0.3, right? |
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| SlavekB | You mean this information? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| SlavekB | In Preliminary Stable Builds you can find preliminary packages for R14.0.4 |
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| SlavekB | if you are interested in detailed information on changes in R14.0.4, see https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.4 |
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| a-865 | I have several installations with 14.0.4. I was looking for 14.1.whateverisavailable |
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| a-865 | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Nightly_Builds looks like Ubuntu-only |
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| SlavekB | Nightly builds are also for Debian. |
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| a-865 | GPG error: http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb
stretch InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified
because the public key is not available: 608F5293A04BE668 The repository
'http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity.sb
stretch InRelease' is not signed. Data from such a repository can't be
authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. |
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| a-865 | is apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 6BF18B15 obsolete? |
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| SlavekB | For Preliminary Stable Builds is another key: apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668 |
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| a-865 | it works :-) |
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| a-865 | stretch: systemctl get-default shows multi-user.target, and cmdline includes 3, yet boot starts up TDM anyway :-( |
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| MarkBilk | I'm
running pclinuxos-tde, did an update last night and now have no
sound. trinity control center sound system hangs when i press
the test sound button and has to be killed. anyone else
having similar problems? |
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| MarkBilk_ | I'm running a new pclinuxos-tde in virtualbox. how do i set a superuser? |
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| kyan | Hi!
I'm wondering, how can I get TDE apps to use the same theme as the rest
of my system? I'm using a GTK2 theme for GTK, Qt4, and Qt5, but don't
see the GTK theme option in tqtconfig. Thanks! |
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| pitriss | kyan:
thats maybe because trinity is in /opt/trinity so it don't see standard
libraries.. maybe some linking ligraries can help.. (eg symlink gtk
theme library into right place in /opt/trinity) |
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| kyan | pitriss, Ah, I don't know where/what it actually is though :P |
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| kyan | I just got it by building qt4 and 5 with the "gtkstyle" option |
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| kyan | but that didn't affect tqt |
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| pitriss | I
don't remember how I accomplished simmilar thing by using qtcurve
everywhere.. but I'm sure I needed to use some linking magic for qt4 to
force it to share theme with thrinity.. Its quite long time since i
installed trinity |
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| kyan | ah :) |
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| kyan | thanks! |
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| pitriss | yw..
I see i was not much helpful tho.. But i guess you should be able to
find lib to link.. maybe strace on config utility for gtk/qt4 can tell
you which so files are loaded.. there will be simpler way I guess.. but
strace is first that came to my mind..:) |
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| kyan | :) |
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| MarkBilk | Hi! I'm running pclinuxos-tde in virtualbox and have lost sound. Can anyone help, please? |
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| SlavekB | MarkBilk: Is something useful printed in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| MarkBilk | SlavekB: here it is. http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/.xsession-errors
I was trying various settings in
trinity-control-center/sound-multimedia/sound-system and they all caused
the program to hang. |
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| SlavekB | it seems that the output is trying to send through xine - see messages xine_artsplugin audio_fifo_out |
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| MarkBilk | ...if not immediately then when I pressed the "test sound" button. |
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| MarkBilk | should i reboot and then set ptions to fix that? |
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| MarkBilk | options |
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| SlavekB | you can try to eliminate xine_arts plugin. |
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| MarkBilk | how? |
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| SlavekB | remove some package like arts-xine? |
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| SlavekB | trinity-libarts-xine |
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| MarkBilk | will also remove trinity-kaboodle |
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| SlavekB | it's probably not that a big loss. |
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| MarkBilk_ | did not quit |
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| MarkBilk_ | hung again. should i reboot? |
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| SlavekB | I expect logout / login should be sufficient. |
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| MarkBilk_ | had to reboot, but it played that little tune when it did! |
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| MarkBilk_ | pressing test-sound doesnt hang, but makes no sound |
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| MarkBilk_ | SlavekB: i guess the tune at reboot proves vbox sound link is ok |
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| SlavekB | MarkBilk_: is something new in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| MarkBilk_ | SlavekB: see http://cosmicpenguin.com/misc/.xsession-errors |
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| MarkBilk_ | SlavekB: how is the tune played at boot-up? |
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| SlavekB | tone played during login or before login? |
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| MarkBilk_ | not sure. how is each played? |
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| MarkBilk_ | SlavekB: its played way after login. after tde systems are initiated. |
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| MarkBilk_ | SlavekB: tune is played after whole DE is up -- panel, 4 desktop selector -- everything! |
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| SlavekB | MarkBilk_: I'm sorry, I have to go away for a few hours |
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| MarkBilk_ | i'll still be here -- ping me |
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| SlavekB | tbottu: what is bug 2679 ? :) |
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| tbottu | SlavekB: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
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| SlavekB | plase, informations about bug 2679 :) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2679 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Moving panel to the left problems, if clock is enabled in systray |
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| Borg^Queen | hi is anyone having problems with kweather? |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: Yes, for several hours I also observe that the weather can not be updated. |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you, |
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| Borg^Queen | I think they system crashed |
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| SlavekB | I thought it might be a problem for my particular station (LKPR), but as I see I'm not alone in that. |
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| Borg^Queen | how are you btw |
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| Borg^Queen | nope, I have it all on a computers, all stations |
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| SlavekB | last days rather tired, how are you? |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm actually doing well. Me doctors changed up the chemo a bit and I'm doing better. |
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| Borg^Queen | We're also having some grand weather here, finally |
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| Borg^Queen | I've also added another test computer to me bank of test machines. |
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| Borg^Queen | This one I'm going to use exclusiving for testing trinity and UL distros |
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| SlavekB | we now have a few new troubles with the GCC6 (Stretch and Yakkety) |
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| SlavekB | But I believe that the preparation of the patches will go well. |
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| Borg^Queen | trouble as in? |
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| SlavekB | FTBFS in some packages |
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| Borg^Queen | ftbfs? |
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| SlavekB | failed to build from source :) |
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| Borg^Queen | there are a lot of reports of that |
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| SlavekB | for now most of the problems are cast between unsigned × int |
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| Borg^Queen | without a working gcc, you can go any further. If it doesn't build will you use and eariler version? |
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| SlavekB | The
situation is further complicated by the fact that some of the issues on
amd64 and i386 will cause only a warning, while on armel and armhf
causes the error. |
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| Borg^Queen | so portable devices are more affect? |
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| SlavekB | I do not know if it's a bug in GCC 6 that behaves differently on different platforms. |
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| Borg^Queen | armel and armhf are often used in portable devices no? |
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| SlavekB | In any case, it complicates the testing of patches, because besides amd64 and i386 we have yet to test at least on armhf. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, armel/armhf are mostly mobile devices. |
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| Borg^Queen | I don't even have an amd anymore |
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| Borg^Queen | a friend said he'd donate one, but his win10 machine went to hell in a hand basket 30 days after he bought it. |
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| Borg^Queen | then the hardware started to go. |
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| Borg^Queen | Go to love sony. |
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| Borg^Queen | SlavekB: lovely to chat with you, I'm off to bed. GN |
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| SlavekB | good night to you |
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| Borg^Queen | good luck, I hope you figure it out. |
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| George_ | Hello! |
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| George_ | You
may not know, but since the National Weather Service had terminate the
NWS Weather.Noaa.Gov, Kweather is not working anymore. Is it possible to
change it to another weather provider? |
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| SlavekB | http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::10624 |
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| SlavekB | George_: please forgive me my brevity... |
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| George_ | Slavek:
Oh, it was reported already. Glad to know it is fixed! But I won't see
it soon, since I'm running Debian Stable. If it's possible to change the
url manually so I can get the weather showed correctly on my current
install, could you please tell me which file should I edit? |
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| SlavekB | If you want to use the Preliminary Stable Builds == preliminary packages for R14.0.4, you can follow instructions on wiki: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| George_ | Slavek:
Thanks, but no. I'd rather wait for the next TDE release due to
possible stability issues. So, it is not possible to fix it manually on
TDE 14.0.3? |
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| SlavekB | you can apply patch and rebuild the package now toys... |
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| SlavekB | By the way, I use R14.0.4~preliminary every day... |
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| SlavekB | If you wonder what changes are compared to R14.0.3, is available continuously updated changelog: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.4 |
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| SlavekB | Because it is a preliminary version of "maintenance branch" R14.0.x, so usually fix the problems rather than adding new ones ;) |
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| SlavekB | However, yes, updates are more frequent than for the final release. |
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| George_ | I'm
afraid I'm not that skilled. Since it's only fixed updating TDE, I'll
wait for the next release, R14.0.4 (hope it won't take too long :P ) |
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| George_ | Thank you. |
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| SlavekB | There
is one other option: Add apt sources for Preliminary Stable Builds and
update only kweather-trinity. And then again remove these apt sources. |
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| George_ | It worked! Sort of. Apply button is greyed out when I try to add my homw town. |
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| SlavekB | if you already had it previously set, no need to adjust the configuration. |
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| SlavekB | just need to restart the kweatherservice. |
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| George_ | Even if I add or remove any city, it will just show the default one. |
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| George_ | Can't save the canges. |
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| SlavekB | You're restarted the kweatherservice? |
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| SlavekB | for example: killall kweatherservice; kweatherservice & |
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| George_ | Yep,
just showing Trenton, NJ. Even if I select another city, apply button
is greyed out and even if I select another one and click ok, it will
continue to show Trenton. |
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| George_ | Oh, now it is working! |
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| George_ | Had to readd it to the panel. |
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| George_ | Thank you very much for you time. |
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| George_ | I can't live without a weather widget! |
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| SlavekB | After
setting a new town can take a while before the kweather service
downloads the information and allow the selection of a new town to view. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I also have it constantly in my panel :) |
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| George_ | Oh,
another question: When TDE R14 is released, will those two packages
that I had to install be updated automatically? Do I have to change some
priority or something? |
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| SlavekB | yes, packages will be automatically updated to the final relase. |
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| George_ | Ok, glad to know. |
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| George_ | Thanks again. |
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| George_ | Cheers. |
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| SlavekB | cheers |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| mirda | hi Borg^Queen |
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| Borg^Queen | hi mirda |
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| Borg^Queen | how are you? |
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| Borg^Queen | good night to all |
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| MarkBilk_ | hi! how do i make window scrollbars wider? |
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| MarkBilk_ | hi! how do i make window scrollbars wider? |
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| kb9vqf | MarkBilk_: I don't think there's a way to do that outside of certain customizable widget schemes like QtCurve |
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| MarkBilk_ | kb9vqf:
Yikes! Trinity Control Center should be able to do that, in
the Appearance&Themes/WindowDecorations section. My right
(dominant) arm and hand have some tremor, and the trackball keeps
slipping off the very narrow scrollbar in
firefox. PCLinuxOS-TDE is the only good distro I can find
without the harmful systemd and kde/plasma4567... |
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| MarkBilk_ | trackball cursor/pointer |
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| MarkBilk_ | kb9vqf: Also seems that the width of the top and bottom window borders can be changed, but not the left and right ones. |
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| MarkBilk_ | kb9vqf:
I used opensuse with kde3 for many years, and I'm sure the scrollbar
width was adjustable, or at least not so narrow. Why have we
lost that? |
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| pitriss | MarkBilk_:
I'm not sure about adjustable scrollbar size in KDE3.5 as I was using
it since ubuntu 6.06 through debian Lenny to todays TDE 14.0.3 :) |
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| pitriss | MarkBilk_: But I can confirm that qtcurve allows to do some adjustment of scrollbars.. |
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| pitriss | MarkBilk_: and about window borders.. Crystal win decoration adjusts all window borders correctly.. (thats what i'm using) |
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| MarkBilk_ | pitriss: is there a way to use qtcurve? |
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| pitriss | MarkBilk_: its packaged with trinity |
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| pitriss | tde-style-qtcurve-trinity in debian wheezy |
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| MarkBilk_ | pitriss: i dont see "crystal" in the selection list for decorations. |
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| pitriss | MarkBilk_: its also separate package I guess.. |
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| pitriss | twin-style-crystal-trinity |
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| MarkBilk_ | how do i incorporate it? |
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| pitriss | I just installed package and selected it in window decoration section of kcontrol |
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| pitriss | It have some other customizable things like buttons etc:) |
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| MarkBilk_ | pitriss:
Many thanks! I selected qtcurve and installed crystal and
now have uniform window borders. I have wide scrollbars in
konsole but NOT in firefox! maybe firefox has its own
setting, but it's not in the std options. |
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| pitriss | MarkBilk_: for firefox you need to use addon or qtcurve for GTK apps..:) look into your package manager..;) |
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| MarkBilk_ | pitriss: what is addon? |
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| MarkBilk_ | pitriss: already have qtcurve-gtk2 |
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| MarkBilk_ | firefox
in tde now badly messed up. scrollbar slider is black and
invisible in black scrollbar channel. tabs displaying
intermittently |
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| kyan | Is there a theme that makes Trinity apps inherit my system's GTK2 theme? |
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| Space_Man | it's time to update, currently using ubuntu 14.04 |
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| Space_Man | which os should I use? |
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| Space_Man | ubuntu 16.04 or debian testing? |
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| Space_Man | I like using sudo as it makes it difficult for me to delete/modify system files |
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| SlavekB | Space_Man:
for Ubuntu 16.04 are available official final packages. For Debian
testing is needed to use Preliminary Stable Builds. |
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| SlavekB | kyan:
I do not know about style engine that for Trinity applications would
inherit appearance from GTK2 or GTK3 theme. Here are a style engines
that make the opposite way - to give Trinity appearance for GTK
apllications. |
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| kyan | Yes, I've found some of those |
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| kyan | I love my GTK2 theme :P |
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| kyan | I have a mix of Qt3, Qt4, and Qt5 apps, and Qt4 and 5 have an option to use the GTK2 theme |
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| kyan | Qt3, GTK3, and Wine are the odd ones out |
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| kyan | Thanks :) |
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| kb9vqf | kyan:
GIT interface is back online. The server hosting the Web
interface was moved to a different network segment and was having
connectivity problems to the main GIT repository. Sorry for
the inconvenience! |
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| frudolph | What up |
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| frudolph | noticed
a bug while testing out trinity but not sure if its reported someplace
else, when making a Link to Device on the desktop to a hard drive after
finishing and clicking ok it switches to a generic icon and does not
link to a device. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Just a quick heads up that I'm going to be stopping / purging TDE
builds for the following obsolete Ubuntu versions: Utopic, Vivid, Wily |
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| SlavekB | I should also discard support of these distributions for R14.0.4? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Yes, I would suggest doing that. They are just clogging up the build system at this point |
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| kb9vqf | The main focus of TDE is to support the LTS versions and the current dev releases |
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| SlavekB | Ok,
in that case, it makes sense to also discard older versions, which have
been supported in R14.0.3... Maveric, Natty, Oneiric, etc |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: The main thing is don't delete from an alread released version |
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| kb9vqf | unfortunately this release cycle has been much longer than normal |
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| SlavekB | Sure - I plan to remove them from my PPA and from my Preliminary Stable Builds repository. |
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| kb9vqf | sounds
good. The build system was just taking too long to rebuild,
so it was time to clean out the old stuff in preparation for builds
against Yakkety |
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| SlavekB | Incidentally, in the Preliminary Stable Builds repository R14.0.4 packages are already successfully built for Yakkety. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Ah, OK. That was fast... |
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| SlavekB | Currently there are two problems in Yakkety: |
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| SlavekB | 1) k9copy needs adjustments because ffmpeg 3 |
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| SlavekB | 2) tellico has FTBFS on amd64 |
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| SlavekB | I plan to deal with this soon... |
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| kb9vqf | thanks! :) |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
One other heads up...I'm aware of the chroot failures on Xenial and
Yakkety for non-x86. Ubuntu did some rather stupid things
with the archives and I'm working on streamlining it for QuickBuild |
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| kb9vqf | *them |
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| SlavekB | Ha, this is a novelty that Ubuntu is built also for non-x86. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf:
I forgot the third problem - Adept has long been in poor condition and
due to changes in the apt/libept in Stretch and Yakkety will not be
supported in these distributions. See mail from Michele (August 20). |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
I think we need to write a new notifier for the tasktray
then. Even if it only launches Synaptic, that visual
indicator of up-to-date status is important |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| Borg^Queen | hey
SlavekB if you have the time I could use help patching the ark linux
kweather. I've been at it for a while and can't figure out what I'm
doing wrong. |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: Hi :) |
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| Borg^Queen | hi |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks for the patch, trying it now. Sent an email with a few questions |
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| SlavekB | Beyond
adding "Patch1: kdetoys-update-metar-url.diff", below in the spec file,
you must add, for example: "%patch1 -p1 -b .metar-url" |
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| Borg^Queen | ahhhh |
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| Borg^Queen | ok hang on |
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| Borg^Queen | does it matter where I do that? |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm looking for the other patch |
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| SlavekB | First added line defines the source of patch, the second added line is for apply the patch. |
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| Borg^Queen | That's where I'm messing up. I didn't know this. |
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| SlavekB | Second line for the apply patch should be after "%setup..." line. |
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| Borg^Queen | I think I found it. I'm adding under this one #%patch0 -p1 -b .arkmenu |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is a good place. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| Borg^Queen | I noticed the first line is commented out (#) |
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| SlavekB | Apparently patch '0' is not applied at build time. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah ok |
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| Borg^Queen | so I don't need to add a # to the line you gave me. |
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| Borg^Queen | We want it active during build yes? |
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| SlavekB | Because you want to patch '1' was applied, '#' must not be on beginning of %patch1 line. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok that's how I have it. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok here goes |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks regardless of how it works out. I appreciate you time and skill. |
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| SlavekB | I gently brushed my prior knowledge of building RPMs :) |
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| Borg^Queen | I should be in bed, I have to get up at 4 am |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you for that. |
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| Borg^Queen | I have a feeling it's easier with debs? |
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| Borg^Queen | I think it's working |
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| Borg^Queen | bingo, let's test it. |
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| SlavekB | On Debian is now primarily used for patch management 'quilt'. |
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| SlavekB | Along with the quilt was working well. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| Borg^Queen | ok still give me the same error. I think I need restart the DE? |
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| SlavekB | killall kweatherservice; sleep 1; kweatherservice & |
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| Borg^Queen | ok trying again |
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| Borg^Queen | YES! it's working |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you so much for the lessons |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm saving this log to add to me books |
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| SlavekB | By the way, in my time zone is now 2:35 am ;) |
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| Borg^Queen | oh my, are you up because of me? |
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| SlavekB | If I had to get up at 4 o'clock, I would not go to sleep ;) |
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| Borg^Queen | oh lol |
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| Borg^Queen | Isn't to going to be Monday for you? |
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| SlavekB | For me it's normal time :) |
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| Borg^Queen | Oh ok |
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| Borg^Queen | Ah
I didn't know that. I thought you were always on earlier. I'm rarely on
before 6pm if I"m on. Lately I've been taking care of me 74 yo
neighbour. He had bones in his neck replaced and can't get about. |
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| Borg^Queen | oh this is going to make a lot of people happy. |
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| Borg^Queen | OH can I use this on an AMD? |
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| Borg^Queen | I guess so, 586 should work. |
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| SlavekB | I normally am not able to get up too early in the morning :) |
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| Borg^Queen | oh lol |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it can be applied also on amd64. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm up at 4 or 5 am and off for a run. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok good things. I have a couple of special needs people that are freaking out because they don't know the temp outside. |
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| Borg^Queen | I forget what they have. |
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| Borg^Queen | Autism |
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| Borg^Queen | ok it's working well and I've saved all the notes, the irc log and everything else. This really was a good lesson. |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks Yoda |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| Borg^Queen | what are you working on? |
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| SlavekB | it was a pleasure for me. |
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| Borg^Queen | right... you're just a sweetie with a grand amount of patience. |
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| SlavekB | I'm currently testing some new patches from Michele for tdebase. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| Borg^Queen | Michele? |
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| SlavekB | Michele Calgaro |
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| SlavekB | he worked on bug 2685 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2685 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , Khotkeys KCM module doesn't open using "settings:/" service |
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| Borg^Queen | reading |
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| Borg^Queen | this is for the hot key on the lenovo or kbs in general |
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| SlavekB | kbs in general. |
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| Borg^Queen | good |
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| SlavekB | KHotkey allows to do interesting spells. |
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| Borg^Queen | spells, it is witchcraft |
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| SlavekB | It allows to keyboard shortcut put the whole sequence of commands and also with the conditions. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Borg^Queen | I use kb magic meself |
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| SlavekB | For
example, switch to another desktop area, test whether the application
is running and accordingly either launching application or switching to
an already running application. |
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| Borg^Queen | I hate pressing the little button on the rom on the laptop. so I use option E for eject |
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| Borg^Queen | ok I'm off for the night. |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you again so much |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll email you some chocolate |
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| SlavekB | I think I'll also go to bed early :) |
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| Borg^Queen | "early" |
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| Borg^Queen | gn Yoda |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| SlavekB | good night to you |
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| Borg^Queen | :) |
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| Borg^Queen | POOFFF |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| Borg^Queen | SlavekB:
I know I said I was going to be here but I need go sleep. Early start
tomorrow. Everyone says thank you for your help. All your help. |
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| Borg^Queen | GN |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: I'm sorry, I'm just moving to the bed... |
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| Borg^Queen | I am too, had to talk to someone who's having a panic attack. |
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| Borg^Queen | So not to worry. |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you though |
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| Borg^Queen | gn |
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| SlavekB | gn |
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| Borg^Queen | sleep.... SLEEEEPPPP! |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | zzzzzz ;) |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| nagerst | Hi |
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| nagerst | I can not get the xenial trinity iso installed. It fails in late stages of installation |
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| Borg^Queen | hi |
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| Borg^Queen | hey SlavekB you up? |
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| SlavekB | I'm still at work... |
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| Borg^Queen | a nm |
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| Borg^Queen | later
on, if you have time. I have two computer who fail to compile kweather
properly. One error mention usermake broken pipe and the other is a
QTime::setHMS Invalid time 06:08:60.000 when I restart
kweather services |
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| Borg^Queen | scratch that, one computer only. Fixed the other one. |
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| Borg^Queen | anyway, later on. |
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| SlavekB | In the error message is still the same time? :o |
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| Borg^Queen | pardon? |
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| SlavekB | Invalid time 06:08:60.000 |
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| Borg^Queen | Just a sample. I think it changes |
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| Borg^Queen | I |
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| Borg^Queen | I'd have to check |
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| Borg^Queen | However, take this with a grain of salt, I think the computer has a bad HD. |
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| Borg^Queen | So who knows. |
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| Borg^Queen | what does that error mean? |
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| SlavekB | My attention is gained leap second in this report - 60.000 |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry I don't follow. |
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| SlavekB | hh:mm:ss => 06:08:60.000 |
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| Borg^Queen | yes. |
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| Borg^Queen | From what I've been able to read, something about qtimer? |
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| SlavekB | therefore surprises me, those 60 seconds. |
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| Borg^Queen | they shouldn't be there. |
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| Borg^Queen | perhaps it's a failing motherboard? |
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| SlavekB | In the error message is still the same time - with this leap second? |
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| Borg^Queen | I'd have to go check. |
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| Borg^Queen | Not at the computer. |
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| Borg^Queen | Do you want to me to set it up? |
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| Borg^Queen | also, I can build the rpms with the updates, but it doesn't load the applet |
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| SlavekB | If the time is still the same, it could mean that the value is readed from file - may be old kweather status. |
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| Borg^Queen | ahhhh I should clear out the old files |
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| Borg^Queen | ok I'll go do that and fiddle about with it a little more before bothering you again. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok? |
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| SlavekB | ok :) |
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| Borg^Queen | later then |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: I will be offline for several hours... |
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| pitriss | ..:: Lindsey Stirling - Moon trance ::.. ..:: 3:14/3:56 ::.. ..:: #########_ ::.. |
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| pitriss | ehh sry wrong tab:D |
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| pitriss | damn keystrokes.:D |
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| BQ-AFK | lol |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: gn |
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| Borg^Queen | Hey did you get my email? |
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| SlavekB | yes, about that the problems were solved (Y) |
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| Borg^Queen | :) thanks for your help Yoda |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| Borg^Queen | gn |
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| Regulator | can i ask a question here? err maybe i should use the mailing list |
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| Regulator | little
background before i do, i use kde3.5. i've tried trinity desktop on
other OSs and it is riddled with bugs. no offence to all involved |
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| Regulator | and the OSs with kde3.5 will not have kernel updates or official support during some time next year |
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| Regulator | anyway,
my question is. since i've tried many OS installs of kde desktop, and
eventually given up and used virtualbox. and still, buggy as hell. i ask
if it only on virtualbox or would it actually be much less buggy on a
regular install |
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| Regulator | err
to rephrase. will there ever be a build that is actually good? once
again no offense. if i catalogued all the bugs would someone
read it? because right now kde 3.5 > the 'new' 'improved' 'ongoing'
'update' etc build fom where i'm sitting |
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| Regulator | and i've read countless reviews i have disagreed with, i dont want to sound like them. kde 3.5 works so well |
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| pitriss | Regulator:
hey. there is nothing easier than report all bugs you found. Because
when the don't know about broken things, they have no chance to fix
them. |
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| pitriss | Regulator: and to be honest. I'm using trinity for a year and there is not some noticable increase in bugs count since KDE3.5 |
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| Space_Man | Regulator: what are the bugs? |
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| Regulator | little
things broken everywhere. of course it would help if there was a
recommended OS since they are so painful to install and operate. example
if i dont want to type sudo all the time. or i want elevated privilege
file browser it takes 10 minutes longer to set up any of this. fish://
never works, that's a big deal to me. firefox doesn't run at all. i mean
there's just so many reasons |
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| Regulator | i'd stay with centos 5x with kde 3.5 |
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| Regulator | maybe im being harsh, since it was never designed to work specificly in virtualbox |
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| Regulator | meh, when they retire centos 5 official support i can make the move to debian. its not the end of the world |
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| Regulator | or
if the community (or people like me) is big enough i wouldnt have to.
they already have rpmforge mirrors since that officially went dead not
long ago |
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| Regulator | okay
lets slow it down a little. when i install (which isnt easy as it
should be) trinity desktop environment. the taskbar, on the left. why
did that have to change so much? |
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| Regulator | there is the folder browser, which i can't edit entries of |
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| Regulator | that's the only time i ever see the only folder browser i want. the default one for everthing else is something else |
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| Regulator | and
i repeat. 10 whole minutes to make a shortcut on the desktop to be able
to make changes to files outside my user's home folder |
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| pitriss | Regulator:
fish woks for me, elevate privileges in krusader is question of one
keystroke, palemoon is working great here (and not functioning is not
fault of trinity at all) |
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| Regulator | all my ubuntu 14.04 installs with trinity can't use fish or firefox. any advice? |
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| pitriss | and if you meant konqueror as filebrowser then tdesudo konqueror works flawless aswell |
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| Regulator | i'd
love to just be able to log in as root. also if it wasn't remotely
installed for me there doesn't exist a guide to get the desktop working
over vnc |
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| Regulator | althogh that varies on the OS and vnc server |
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| pitriss | without any error messages I can't tell you anything..:) |
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| pitriss | login as root?? why the heck? DE should never run as root.. |
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| pitriss | even this fact also this is possible.. it can be allowd this in trinity config |
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| Regulator | i
know, but the OS seems to make me type sudo all the time and then enter
my password. after the 10th time you feel like jumping off a tall
building |
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| pitriss | then set up sudo to not ask you so often |
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| pitriss | its still much safer than running DE as root.. |
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| pitriss | or set up groups and permissions of directories outside your home accordingly:) |
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| Regulator | k.
im going to spend 10 mins tomorrow writing a guide to myself on all
these things. i dont even care if im following the guide on every fresh
install. i just want clarity |
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| Regulator | thanks pitriss. i'll be back. but i wont bug you unless i need to. google is good too |
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| pitriss | Regulator:
:) no problem man.. I just wanted to show you more safer ways to use
your system as bugs you mentioned arent bugs of trinity at all;) |
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| Space_Man | Regulator: I'm using ubuntu 14.04 and firefox 48 works fine |
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| Space_Man | archlinux runs as root |
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| Space_Man | however I don't know if tde is available for arch |
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| Regulator | i think it is! Ive only got tde working with fedora and ubuntu 14.04. i've tried countless others some multiple times |
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| Regulator | do you use fish:// does it do everything as it should? |
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| Space_Man | I used to use fish:/ but that was 4 years ago and could have been with kde3 |
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| Space_Man | is there a server I could try using fish? |
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| MicheleC | @kb9vqf: bug tracking info is no longer display.... |
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| MicheleC | for example new bugs and bug status change |
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| kb9vqf | MicheleC: On IRC? |
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| kb9vqf | Let me check |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: MicheleC already gone to bed :) |
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| kb9vqf | yep |
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| drankin | Hope
all is well with the TDE folks. When I get a spare bit of time, I'll
crank the build back up on arch and see how badly the bleeding edge is
doing. Keep up the great work Tim, Slavek all. |
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| a-865 | Regulator:
I still use KDE3, but on openSUSE 42.1. openSUSE Tumbleweed also offers
KDE3, just neither do so from installation media. First it is necessary
to do a minimal install, then add optional KDE3 repo and install. It
works same as always except for minor niggles. I plan to switch to TDE
when I upgrade 42.1 to 42.2, and have TDE on several test boxes. |
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| a-865 | Regulator:
to dispense with sudo and use root instead on *buntu, simply do "sudo
passwd root" and follow your nose. Couldn't be simpler. |
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| a-865 | Regulator:
I find only one fault in TDE compared to KDE3 regardless of distro
installed on (not enough sublevels in menus). I wonder which bug(s)
you're finding in TDE? |
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| a-865 | Regulator: did you try TDE on Fedora, from which CentOS owes its heritage? |
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| Regulator | that
was the first one i got working. i tried with many and was only
successful installion on a couple. again too buggy, how about next time i
document this stuff. lol |
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| Regulator | i
think that was the one where there was a rare bug with virtualbox where
the machine would consume constant resources. i remember reading online
about it trying to solve it. i *think* that was the first thing that
got to me. i eventually installed it to a desktop and had more issues
after that and swore by kde3.5 |
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| Regulator | i'll try the archlinux someone suggested. i |
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| Regulator | i'll start doing more writeups so i can actually bug report, and might come on useful for someone else later down the line |
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| Regulator | thank for the help |
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| otjura | hi,
do you happen to have Crystal Clear svg icon set readily available
somewhere? I could only find png & ico sets for download. |
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| adfasdfa | i
get "var/lib/dpkg/info/konqueror-trinity.prerm:
/usr/sbin/update-alternatives: not found" when trying to remove
konqueror-trinity in ubuntu 14.04 how do i proceed? |
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| adfasdfa | same with kamera-trinity and one more package. |
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| SlavekB | adfasdfa:
in /var/lib/dpkg/info/konqueror-trinity.prerm change path from
/usr/trinity/bin/konqueror to /opt/trinity/bin/konqueror |
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| adfasdfa | SlavekB: thank you very much |
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| adfasdfa | hmmm it seems that is what it was set to already |
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| adfasdfa | but after removing the line, at least the uninstall worked |
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| SlavekB | You have installed R14.0.3 or R14.0.4~preliminary? |
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| adfasdfa | R14.0.4 |
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| adfasdfa | i am downgrading to 14.0.3 now to do some testing. that is why i was removing konqueror |
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| SlavekB | Ah, well, in R14.0.4 path has been already fixed. |
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| SlavekB | For information, it was a bug 2452. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2452 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Errors in Debian 'alternatives' provision |
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| adfasdfa | oh ok |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2683 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, [Build issue] tdegames: Make cmake arguments consistent with other modules. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2698 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, perl-tk applications (such as clusterssh) not working after upgrade |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2693 from PATCHAVAIL to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2693 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, NEW , Python-TQT doesn't work |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2697 from NEEDINFO to CONFIRMED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2697 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, CONFIRMED , OpenGL TCM module doesn't start |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2687 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, PATCHAVAIL , Some icons not displayed in systray, |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2665 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , Knights littering my home directory with files |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2687 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2687 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Some icons not displayed in systray, |
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| dude22222 | how can i make trinity do compositing? do i just need to install compiz? |
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| mirda | trinity has it's own composite manager, kwin |
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| mirda | kwin is a window manager and can do compositing |
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| mirda | but i am not sure if it supports wobbly windows, burning effects etc.. |
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| pitriss | mirda: nope but it can do transparent windows, shadows etc.. |
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| mirda | okay |
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| dude22222 | reason i ask is because it doesn't seem to be enabled by default |
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| dude22222 | when i scroll web pages in chromium it's kinda choppy |
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| pitriss | dude22222: it isnt as It can reduce performance of some gaphic card intensive apps..:) |
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| dude22222 | oh. how do i turn it on? |
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| pitriss | But i guess its not related with choppy scrolling in chromium as my chromium is smooth even without compositing |
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| dude22222 | i had the same problem when i used xfce but compiz fixed it |
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| pitriss | kcontrol => desktop => window behavior => transparency tab => use compositing checkbox |
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| mirda | dude22222: maybe your chromium cannot properly use hardware acceleration or it has disabled |
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| mirda | open chrome://settings/ and there at bottom of page click at extended settings, somewhere at bottom of page it should be |
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| dude22222 | i fixed it, it's working now. |
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| mirda | cg |
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| mirda | where were a problem? |
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| dude22222 | you have to go to trinity control then enable opengl compositing |
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| mirda | ok |
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| dude22222 | now it works fine |
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| mirda | great |
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| dude22222 | Trinity is pretty nice, I always like the old kde 3.x |
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| jentron_ | It appears tdelauncher has stopped on my system. Is there a way to restart it short of rebooting? |
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| Regulator | init 3 would close everything, very similar to rebooting. you'd then log in and use init 5 to get back into the desktop |
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| Regulator | alt+f3 and alt+f5 should do the same commands |
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| Regulator | this probably isn't what you're looking for |
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| paul- | hello |
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| qwe | Hi folks. Trying to build tdelibs on Manjaro and keep getting an error can someone lend a hand please? |
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| qwe | make[2]: *** [tdeui/CMakeFiles/tdeui-shared.dir/build.make:1729: tdeui/CMakeFiles/tdeui-shared.dir/kdialogbase.cpp.o] Error 1 |
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| paul- | hello |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: is A04BE668 no longer the key for the Stretch beta of Trinity? |
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| SlavekB | This key is still valid for all in Preliminary Stable Builds. |
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| a-865 | I
just tried to add Trinity to a fresh Stretch, and aptitude claims the
whole list of packages to be installed is untrusted :-p |
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| SlavekB | I'll check if a colleague does not have lack of space on the mirror... |
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| a-865 | if
I'm reading the message right - there is a blank line after the
WARNING... line before the "Untrusted packages...You should proceed
only...if you are certain..." lines |
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| a-865 | NVM SlavekB - another apt-get update fixed it |
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| SlavekB | I tried it now in my builder and no problems reported. |
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| a-865 | I added the key after the last update :-p |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| Leviticus | hi all |
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| Leviticus | I assume this is not the right place to report a bug, but I type the bug here, maybe somebody sees it |
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| Leviticus | in the tray icon bar, there is a speaker icon |
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| Leviticus | when I click the icon and switch off the sound (by moving the bar down and clicking the green dot) |
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| Leviticus | and then I switch on the sound again |
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| Leviticus | there is no more sound |
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| Leviticus | I need then to open the mixer and put on the sound again |
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| OoO | Well, this is an awesome distro so far. It's about the only thing that runs decently on a dual core Atom processor. xD |
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| OoO | I forgot how fast lightweight QT can be compared to GTK. |
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| eyalroz | I have a couple of quick questions about Trinity before trying it out. Is someone around and willing to answer them? |
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| pitriss | just ask and wait if someone know answers to your questions:) |
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| eyalroz | right |
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| eyalroz | so |
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| eyalroz | Question 1: |
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| eyalroz | The website suggest TDE is maintaing an older version of Qt. Even if the project sticks to a KDE 3.x-like experience, |
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| eyalroz | why the choice of holding on to old library versions? |
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| eyalroz | Question 2: Why aren't there Ubuntu packages of TDE? |
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| eyalroz | (and apparently no Debian packages either)? |
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| pitriss | There are both ubuntu and debian packages.. I'm using debian wheezy and it just works. |
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| pitriss | And why TQT? because conversion to QT4 is too different and in many cases slower than Tqt |
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| pitriss | conversion to QT4 will be tricky because its too different* |
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| pitriss | But I'm not dev tho.. this can answer SlavekB or kb9vqf better than me |
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| pitriss | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions //why did you thought there are no deb packages? |
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| pitriss | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Ubuntu_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions |
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| Z_God | http://www.heliocastro.info/?p=291 |
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| pitriss | Z_God: awesome:) |
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| Z_God | yeah, I was also impressed |
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| Z_God | I really have fond memories of KDE 1 |
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| eyalroz | @pitriss:
Oh, I just searched the distribution's own repositories. I should have
asked "why are there no packages within the distribution's default
repositories" |
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| pitriss | eyalroz: Because distributions have lack of packagers. :) |
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| eyalroz | pitriss:
Also, about the later versions of Qt: It seems difficult to believe
that Qt 4 would be so different from Qt 3 as to not offer a superset of
the same functionality. Now, granted, maybe the internals are different
(e.g. maybe they moved to C++11 at some point?) but I would think it
would be much better to rely on the mainstream development effort of Qt
as a platform rather than maintain your own fork; that's always sure to
lag behind in man |
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| eyalroz | y
respects. I mean, there's the rule of thumb of "only fork one thing",
i.e. to make sure a forked project thrives, it shouldn't depend on other
significant forks which are also struggling at the same time. |
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| eyalroz | pitriss: Hmm. Won't they take your packages and just include them? I mean, you probably have enough users to merit that. |
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| pitriss | IDK as I'm not developer.. as I stated before.. these specific question should go to kb9vqf or SlavekB :) |
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| vadtehen | Hey
all! I'm Mia from Hungary. Is there any rules I should know about? I
came across TDE a few days ago and kinda have been in love with it
since. I'd like to help with the localization though because it seems,
that all new function since KDE3 hasn't been translated. |
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| pitriss | vadtehen: hey.. welcome.. You should contact kb9vqf or SlavekB (hes currently offline) as they are main devs:) |
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| vadtehen | Thank you :) Is it okay here? I've never used mailing lists |
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| vadtehen | Or if there's a tutorial about mailing lists, that would be awesome too |
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| pitriss | I guess it is.. But you will need a bit of patience as I'm not sure how often they are checking IRC:) |
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| vadtehen | It's fine. How active is this group usually? |
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| pitriss | can't
tell.. I had no time to watch this.. *shame on me* :) BTW maybe you can
try mail to Timothy kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net as I found it somewhere
on the page.. |
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| vadtehen | Okay, I'll send him a mail now. Thanks again |
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| pitriss | You're very welcome:) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2658 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , no icon in menu or system tray for KTTSMgr |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2700 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2700 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdenetwormanager does not display the connect icon, when connected |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2700 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2654 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2654 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Konqueror does not save file in typed location. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2529 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2529 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, KPPP fails everytime on PCLinuxOS with TDE R14.0.1 |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2530 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2530 blocker, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: Git tdelibs FTBFS |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2612 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2612 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, no system sounds - only audio device selection in TCC is autodetect |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2703 filed by brentonhorne77@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2703 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Yakuake R14.0.3 crashes on startup on Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2704 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2704 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED WONTFIX, tdelibs FTBFS in debian/ubuntu if built without tdehwlib |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2705 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2705 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED WONTFIX, tdebase FTBFS in debian/ubuntu if built without tdehwlib |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2706 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2706 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , rework tdehwlib support to unify API |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2704 from NEW --- to RESOLVED WONTFIX. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2705 from NEW --- to RESOLVED WONTFIX. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2707 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2707 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Tork: Protocol not supported tor |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2708 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2708 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Tork: Could not contact update server |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2709 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2709 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Tork/Konqueror "Tor Mode" (partly) broken |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2710 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2710 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: k9copy fails rpmlint test |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 698 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=698 minor, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Kopete jabber protocol outdated |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2711 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2711 normal, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: tdebindings FTBFS in opensuse tumbleweed |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2711 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2690 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2690 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: tde-style-baghira fails rpmlint test |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2710 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2711 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2628 from REOPENED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2628 normal, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: FTBFS on libr because missing link to libdl |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2611 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2611 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Geogebra crashes in PCLinuxOS Trinity 64 bits |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2606 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2606 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, kchart-trinity cannot open template |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2588 from ASSIGNED to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2588 minor, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, On some computers the shutdown dialog appears with the delay |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2712 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2712 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: kchmviewer FTBFS on opensuse ARM |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2712 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2472 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2472 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , OTR icon missing in kopete message window |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2712 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1809 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1809 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, khexedit does not run: libraries not available |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2713 filed by physeter@cox.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2713 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Magic file type detection not working with recent versions of file |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2688 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2688 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Mangled chars after importing items in UTF-8 from mobile phone |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2660 from PATCHAVAIL to CONFIRMED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2660 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, UTF mangling in tdepim/libkcal/icalformat.cpp |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2714 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2714 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: k3b FTBFS using cmake because missing ffmpeg/artcs includes |
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| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 2714 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1923 from PATCHAVAIL to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1923 enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , Add trash can configuration dialog to set limits |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2715 filed by fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2715 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Numbers on KMail and Akregator icon too big |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2716 filed by fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2716 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Bugzilla: outdated "OS" and "Version" entries |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2717 filed by michele.calgaro@yahoo.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2717 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KDoubleSpin precision handling is broken |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2582 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2582 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, adept can not be installed in jessie |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2718 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2718 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: tdenetwork fails rpmlint test |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 698 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2669 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2669 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Kopete troubles with TLS |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2719 filed by slavek.banko@axis.cz. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , libkcal tests fails |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2660 from CONFIRMED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2714 from PATCHAVAIL to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2714 from NEEDINFO to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2718 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2714 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2573 from NEEDINFO to CONFIRMED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, CONFIRMED , [Regression] Kicker frequent crashes on R14.0.3-pre |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2720 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , krypt a luks frontend |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2721 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2721 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [Enhancement Request] PPAPI support in Konqueror |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1287 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1287 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, kmail does not honor the "Forever" option when accepting ssl certificates |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2588 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2612 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2575 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, R14.0.4 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| SemiNus | hi all |
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| SemiNus | is a developer around? |
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| SemiNus | I found a few bugs |
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| kb9vqf | SemiNus:
Bugs should probably be reported to bugs.trinitydesktop.org
. I'm a developer (the founder, actually) but
real life has left almost no time to work on TDE at the moment |
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| a-865 | kb9vqf: curious choice of nick (mine is old hostname) :-p |
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| tobia | hi. does anybody know how to connect korganizer with a google calendar? is there a kontact plugin to do that? |
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| tobia | i tried using the remote calendar option and pasting the ical url, but it cannot write back the changes |
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| mirda | hey tobia |
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| mirda | korganizer works with google calendar |
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| tobia | how do I add the google calendar then? |
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| mirda | i have this via option "calendar in remote file" but i think it is possible via caldav also |
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| mirda | https://www.google.com/calendar/dav/my_email%40gmail.com/events/ |
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| mirda | ^that is in my setup as calendar in remote file |
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| tobia | ok, let me try |
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| mirda | you can look somewhere at the google calendar settings at the web page, look somewhere at sharing options |
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| tobia | yes, I used the "private address" as the url, but it only worked in read mode |
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| tobia | changing an event would give an error |
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| mirda | korganizer should ask you for username and password when you setup your google calendar in it |
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| tobia | it did |
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| tobia | I had to enable "access by less secure apps" in google settings |
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| tobia | but it still cannot save changes |
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| tobia | I get "Access was denied while attempting to upload https://www.google.com/calendar/dav/.../events/" |
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| tobia | did you paste the same url both in "download from" and "upload to" in the calendar settings? |
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| mirda | yes, both urls are the same |
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| mirda | i
am looking at web calendar - I choose some my calendar, I clicked at
calendar settings (i don't use english version of the web page) and then
I see there green "ICAL" button and blue "HTML" button |
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| tobia | yes, same here |
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| mirda | https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/my_email%40gmail.com/public/basic.ics |
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| mirda | ^ this is link for an "ICAL" button |
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| mirda | try this |
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| mirda | it's long time ago when I set my calendars in korganizer |
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| tobia | nothing, still access denied |
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| tobia | isn't there a specific caldav plugin? |
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| mirda | hmm |
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| mirda | you can use caldav plugin |
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| mirda | in
the korganizer, there is a green "+" button and there you can choose
second option (I have there "CalDAV server (for example Google
Calendar)") |
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| tobia | I don't have that option :-( |
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| tobia | I only have Birthdays from KAddressBook, local file, local directory, and remote file |
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| mirda | do you have libcaldav package installed? |
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| tobia | oh my, I was missing the kontact package and all the rest, including tdepim-tdeio-plugins-trinity |
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| tobia | how is that possible |
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| tobia | anyway, now I have the caldav option! |
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| tobia | now I get a SSL error: [1] GnuTLS recv error (-110): The TLS connection was non-properly terminated. |
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| tobia | why is trinity trying to open 32bit libraries? |
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| tobia | The
Trinity ltdl loader was unable to dlopen() the shared library
'/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0' :
'/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32' |
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| tobia | too late, will try again tomorrow |
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| tobia | thank you for your help! |
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| mirda | yw.. sorry for late reply |
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| ForgeAus | trinity's
great, so far mostly just getting apps, haven't got the full desktop
yet but it works on bash on unbuntu on win10 better than most other
environments I've tried sofar... |
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| ForgeAus | wmaker and fluxbox are usable but not as functional, kde4's konsole doesn't seem to display correctly... |
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| Borg^Queen | SlavekB: I heard of the baghira packages, thank in advance. |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen:
If you use Debian or Ubuntu and Preliminary Stable Builds repository,
packages are already available in 'extra-r14' component :) |
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| Borg^Queen | Not
yet. Which brings me to me next question. I trust your judgement,
having seen your work and the decisions made during it. So I wanted to
ask you what trinity capable distro do you recommend. I don't tend to
trust that systemD thing. |
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| Borg^Queen | I started off on Debian, so I tend to lean there. |
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| pitriss | I'm
not so trustworthy as slavek but on debian wheezy it works great. Next
step will be devuan for me.. (exatly because I ton't think that systemd
is something that should be in linux based system |
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| pitriss | don't* |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: your input is most welcomed. Thanks. |
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| Borg^Queen | Does Devuan use Trinity? Is it a derivative of debian? |
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| pitriss | yw. I just stick with wheezy even its only LTS now just because its last official non systemd Debian:) |
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| pitriss | devuan should be clone of debian without systemd |
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| Borg^Queen | nice, when will it be released? |
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| pitriss | so most packages are standard debian ones..:) |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm assuming backports is still up and running |
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| pitriss | https://devuan.org/ |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks |
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| pitriss | i
don't watch it so close.. I'm satisfied with wheezy yet.. So I'm
reading about devuan some now and then..:) And maybe I'm waiting to get
it more mature..:) |
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| Borg^Queen | where is it developed? |
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| SlavekB | Main developpers of Devuan are from Italy. |
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| Borg^Queen | oh lovely |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: do you think trinity will work with it? or are there components which are compiled against systemd? |
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| SlavekB | Current versions of ExeGNU/Linux are based on Devuan. |
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| Borg^Queen | what do you think of ExeGnu |
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| pitriss | ahhh so it should work..:) |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: http://exegnulinux.net/ |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks |
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| Borg^Queen | I've used it before, but... |
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| pitriss | I can'ŧ tell.. Have almost no experience with exegnu:) used it once as live for some tasks on broken system at friend..:) |
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| SlavekB | I personally never tried it yet :) |
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| Borg^Queen | It seemed fine for the most part. |
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| SlavekB | However, it should be evidence that Trinity can be used on Devuan :) |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| pitriss | Maybe I can find some disk space and try to install devuan in it and try to use Trinity on it.. |
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| pitriss | I mean in Virtualbox |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, I'll do the same. |
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| Borg^Queen | well in real mode. |
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| mirda | I have a PXE boot loader on my old home server, where I have various Debian installers and exegnu/linux via tftp and nfs |
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| mirda | I was using it for computer task like hdd cloning, etc.. |
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| Borg^Queen | nice |
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| mirda | no need to have CD in cd drive and boot and operation was really quick |
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| Borg^Queen | nice |
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| mirda | like it work from local hdd |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: Otherwise I also use Debian for many years, but due to systemd I am considering whether to test Devuan. |
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| Borg^Queen | agreed |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
the same here.. I also considered to try FreeBSD in longer terms as
they are more conserfavtive and disasters like systemd most likely won't
happen there |
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| pitriss | conservative* |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm |
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| pitriss | And if you are curious why freebsd, then because they are supported by Nvidia drivers:) |
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| Borg^Queen | I use ati but lately I've been questioning that. |
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| pitriss | Im
stick with Nvidia as I had many issues with dual head on radeon card..
It was really fragile and every small change tend to break that.. Sio
I'm nvidia guy for many years now. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all happy halloween |
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| RichardG867 | hey all, did jessie break? getting tons of unmet dependencies trying to install tde-trinity on a clean jessie install |
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| RichardG867 | mostly revolving around the fact packages are depending on libtqt3-mt 14.0.4 while 14.0.3 is to be installed |
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| RichardG867 | managed to install preliminary builds as a stopgap solution |
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| RichardG867 | why/how did some of 14.0.4 leak over to the main repo though? |
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| kb9vqf | RichardG867: We're preparing for release |
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| kb9vqf | repos might be broken for a day or two while this is donw |
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| RichardG867 | okay, thanks |
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| *** kb9vqf changes topic to "Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.4 is out [http://bit.ly/2efAh6U]! Get it at https://www.trinitydesktop.org Also, consider joining the Trinity mailing lists [http://bit.ly/hZ83mF]. IRC will be most active/helpful during business hours in the USA. Support the Project! [http://bit.ly/pmkMVB]" |
| *** kb9vqf sets mode: -o kb9vqf |
| kb9vqf | R14.0.4
is now out! Release is still synchronizing with the mirror
system so you may need to wait a few hours to pull a fresh copy |
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| pitriss | yay.. thank you kb9vqf and SlavekB:) Guys you rock! |
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| mirda | great, thank you:) |
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| Gary | hello people it's BQ but on me friend's computer. |
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| Guest52381 | I'm currently not getting any sound from youtube on seamonkey or firefox |
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| Guest52381 | we have sound on everything else. |
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| Guest52381 | hi
people, trying to get flash audio working. I have sound on everything
else, but not youtube of flash related playback. Any suggestions? |
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| pitriss | hehe this question is not so simple as it sounds.. Depends on what sound subsystem it uses:) |
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| Guest61723 | hello to all it's BorgQueen, working on a friend's machine |
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| MutantTurkey | kb9vqf: congrats on the release! |
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| kb9vqf | Thanks! |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Hello. Is there a member who can access Trinity Wiki here? |
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| pitriss | balloon-fu-sen: I guess kb9vqf can:) |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Hi, pitriss. There is one wish... |
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| balloon-fu-sen | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall |
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| pitriss | hey:) write it here and kb9vqf will most likely read it:) |
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| balloon-fu-sen | There is a description of package installation by "aptitude" on this page. but Ubuntu does not usually have "aptitude". |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Can you replace this "aptitude" with "apt-get"? |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Trinity is a topic now in Kubuntu's Facebook group. |
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| balloon-fu-sen | So I referred to this page and found this problem. |
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| paul- | you shouldn't be using "apt-get" |
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| paul- | u should be using the newer "apt" |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Oh, I usually use "apt" for granted. |
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| balloon-fu-sen | But is not it usable with the old version of Ubuntu? |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Can Ubuntu 12.04 LTS use "apt" command? 14.04 LTS can be used. |
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| balloon-fu-sen | But the point of paul- is correct. I also want to recommend "apt" for the future. |
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| balloon-fu-sen | If there is no problem it would be better to replace them with "apt". |
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| paul- | well idk |
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| paul- | the wikis don't get updated often |
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| balloon-fu-sen | We will have to investigate Ubuntu 12.04 LTS "apt" command correspondence... |
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| paul- | trinity doesn't have that much attention |
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| paul- | so i guess the website isn't really up to the minute |
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| paul- | altho i really like trinity |
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| balloon-fu-sen | However, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS expires next year. |
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| paul- | yea ppl should be migrating to trusty |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Recently I have been wondering about the topics of Trinity in each distribution. |
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| paul- | i wanted to make an ubuntu distro that has trinity as the default |
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| paul- | like "ubuntu trinity" |
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| balloon-fu-sen | There should surely be some users paying attention to Trinity. ;) |
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| paul- | but i am inexperienced with that kind of stuff |
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| paul- | but the main opposition i see towards trinity from other users is that it uses a fork of qt3 |
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| paul- | which is outdated |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Hahaha, it may be "Kubuntu trinity". |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Since I am Japanese, I use input method. Ubuntu was Fcitx becoming mainstream to it. |
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| balloon-fu-sen | but Fcitx does not correspond to qt3 (tqt). |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Therefore I use Trinity with Debian(uim) or PCLinuxOS(SCIM). |
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| paul- | i see |
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| paul- | yea i found that trinity and debian go together a little more better than ubuntu |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Ubuntu is versatile on the desktop, but Debian is good at older ones. |
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| balloon-fu-sen | I will withdraw once. I will refer to updating the wiki later. |
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| balloon-fu-sen | Thank you for maintaining a nice desktop. ;) |
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| Space_Man | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Release_Notes_For_R14.0.2
"The TDE development team is small but friendly" suggests that small
teams are not friendly, replace but with and ""The TDE
development team is small and friendly" |
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| Space_Man | i guess https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Release_Notes_For_R14.0.3 is a copy |
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| Space_Man | also https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Release_Notes_For_R14.0.4 |
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| Guest22348 | Hello! :-) |
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| selk | Hello, I see that the distribution tarball of TDE is based on bzip2, which is good for size (bandwidth) |
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| selk | I want to suggest the usage of lzip: http://lzip.nongnu.org/ |
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| SlavekB | selk: For Debian and Ubuntu are source tarballs in 'xz'. |
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| selk | too bad |
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| selk | see http://lzip.nongnu.org/xz_inadequate.html |
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| SlavekB | but for packaging is neccessary to use format suported by packaging system == dpkg ;) |
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| selk | the patch for dpkg was proposed long ago |
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| selk | however, lzip is provided in Debian-like systems |
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| selk | this will be more for the source distribution, if the maintainers of TDE takes the decision to switch... |
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| SlavekB | lzip is provided as package, but dpkg from distribution does not support it as format for source tarballs. |
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| selk | well.. who cares Debian when they are going in the wrong way |
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| selk | systemd/xz... |
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| selk | too bad |
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| selk | lzip source distribution can be provided along side with the .tar.bz2 files |
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| selk | if it is a problem for distributors |
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| SlavekB | You know, if lzip is supported in dpkg on Devuan? |
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| selk | I don't know |
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| SlavekB | Sure, but TDE Team is the one who maintain packages for Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, RedHat,... |
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| SlavekB | That's why we use formats that are supported in distributions, for which we maintain packages. |
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| selk | I see, I didn't know it |
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| selk | SlavekB, there is no distro which is providing TDE by default? or as the default desktop? |
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| SlavekB | selk: None of the majority of distributions. |
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| SlavekB | only some derived. |
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| SlavekB | Exe GNU/Linux - based on Devuan, uses deb packages from TDE Team |
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| SlavekB | Q4S - based on Debian, uses deb packages from TDE Team |
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| SlavekB | *Q4OS |
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| selk | I'm distributor, I am looking forward for TDE |
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| SlavekB | PCLinuxOS with Trinity - uses rpm packages from TDE Team |
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| SlavekB | Perhaps only ALT Linux are preparing their own packages. |
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| selk | cool |
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| selk | I work for Dragora GNU/Linux-Libre: www.dragora.org - https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
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| selk | is an independent project/distro |
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| selk | we are targeting the musl libc library in the current development |
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| selk | I will try to build TDE when the time comes, soon I hope |
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| SlavekB | In the information at a glance I do not see - you use some of your own packaging system? |
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| selk | yeah |
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| selk | the package format distribution is with lzip |
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| selk | but if the sources for TDE are available in .tar.bz2, no problem, too |
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| SlavekB | No binaries? The user must build everything yourself? |
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| selk | we provide binary packages |
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| selk | in lzip format |
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| selk | tar+lzip |
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| SlavekB | I look at the mirrors, and I see only the folder 'sources'. |
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| selk | because the new version is under development |
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| selk | there is no public binary packages, yet |
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| selk | we are close to have the base system with Xorg |
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| selk | then, we can try to build TDE |
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| SlavekB | tlz are binaries? |
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| selk | yes |
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| selk | it's a tar+lzip archive |
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| SlavekB | I can not see whether it is possible split one source package into several binary packages? |
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| selk | do you mean virtual packages? |
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| SlavekB | for example - tdebase contains many individual parts: tdm, ksmserver, kdesktop, konqueror,... |
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| SlavekB | Not every user is interested in all parts. |
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| SlavekB | But
if the packaging system is so impractical that one source package ==
one binary package, the user is forced to install a lot of things that
are not interested in. |
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| selk | well.. if it's possible to decompress the tdebase source and build each part separately, this can be an individual package... |
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| SlavekB | but then the user must build manually... |
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| SlavekB | ...also very impractical. |
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| SlavekB | Or is for one source tarball defined more "packages" in distribution? |
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| selk | all is possible, but maybe I can implement to split packages |
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| selk | it could be easy to do. |
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| selk | but I need to check the TDE building, first :) |
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| SlavekB | ) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| Chris__ | Wow, not bad. I expected some people less here. Hello :) |
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| selk | less is more ;) |
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| Chris__ | I am a Gentoo user and wanted to test Trinity as an old KDE3.5 user... |
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| Chris__ | I found an overlay, but a lot of packages are not compiling right. It is a live overlay, so latest git. |
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| Chris__ | Would be nice if someone is knowing an fast and good way to install TDE under Gentoo. |
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| Chris__ | And really impressive work :) |
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| kb9vqf | I'm not sure if anyone really got TDE working under Gentoo at this time. I seem to recall a stalled overlay |
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| kb9vqf | (I'm not a Gentoo person myself, but can assist with compiling if you want to work on it) |
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| Chris__ | kb9vqf, yes absolutely. That would be wonderfull. But at the moment, I don't have time. The overlay I used is: |
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| Chris__ | https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity |
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| Chris__ | The last stable is not R14, more 3.5.x, but I am using live (9999) version from latest git of TDE. |
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| selk | kb9vqf, there is a guide to follow the build order? |
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| kb9vqf | selk:
Build TQt3 first, then the dependencies, then arts, tdelibs, tdebase,
and after that you should be able to build the rest in (almost) any
order |
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| Chris__ | In the overlay, under documentation there is a Readme. |
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| selk | thanks for the information |
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| Chris__ | Ah
yes kb9vqf, Gentoo is doing this automatic I think. The ordering. But I
am not sure. I did some easy ebuilds for personal use. |
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| kb9vqf | let me check something... |
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| Chris__ | Actually tdesu fails to compile for example. No problem. |
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| kb9vqf | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| kb9vqf | specifically https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Suggested_Build_Order |
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| SlavekB | selk: for build order you can use order of submdules in the file .gitmodules |
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| Chris__ | Ah,
that's interesting. I skipped packages which were failing to compile
and restarted then again. So I don't think in my case it is the order. I
am also not using fancy GCC version. 4.9.x should be okay I think. |
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| selk | thanks, I'm excited with building TDE soon! |
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| selk | I don't know if everything will compile under musl (the libc)... |
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| selk | it should be work, I guess |
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| Chris__ | selk, oh what is your target? |
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| selk | musl |
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| selk | http://www.musl-libc.org/ |
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| Chris__ | Yes, I was expecting something like arm, or something like that. Hehe. |
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| SlavekB | Chris__: regarding other architectures, TDE can be successfully built on armel, armhf, arm64, mips, powerpc and ppc64el |
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| Chris__ | Ah, nice to know SlavekB. |
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| selk | Chris__, why not, we have a set of pre-built cross-compilers based on musl |
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| selk | you can compile for ARM (v7/v8)... |
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| selk | Chris__, http://dragora.org/repo.fsl/wiki?name=Cross+compilers -- if you are interested |
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| Chris__ | Maybe something for my exynos4 based device to look in. Android is using bionic, musl is to sort in to this right? |
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| Chris__ | Ah, you are a Dragora dev selk? |
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| selk | yes |
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| Chris__ | Oh,
I know Dragora, and maybe I recall therefore your name from git commits
there. It was a year before or so, I found Dragora. But I have not
tested in until now. |
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| selk | we migrated from git to fossil now |
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| Chris__ | So, never thought to meet you anytime. :) |
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| selk | I'm fan of KDE3 :) |
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| selk | I'm glad for TDE |
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| Chris__ | So I think it's included within Dragora? :P |
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| Chris__ | Yes,
I am too. Never thought that it will survive. But it did. I watched
TDE's development or progress for some years. But until R14 I had no
really motivation to test it so far. Glad it made it. |
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| selk | it's not included yet, but I will try to include TDE eventually |
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| selk | yeah R14 is exciting ;-) |
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| Chris__ | That would be very nice. Sadly it seems the Gentoo devs are not as open for including TDE. Because of QT3 I think. |
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| Chris__ | But if you see it the other way, there is now TQt3 |
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| Chris__ | selk, is Dragora full musl based? |
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| selk | Chris__, yes, but there is no release yet, is part of the new development |
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| Chris__ | selk, Ah I see. Would be interesting is TDE works with musl. |
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| selk | sure |
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| Chris__ | Not a systemd-fan, what? :P |
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| selk | no systemd! |
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| Chris__ | :) |
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| Chris__ | Gentoo is using OpenRC based. It's the default, but someone can choose. I hope it stays this way... |
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| Chris__ | Gentoo
uses eudev (udev fork), hope that works with TDE. But I think it
should. It's simply udev without systemd specific changes of udev as far
as I know. |
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| selk | yes, and eudev can work/compile under musl |
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| Chris__ | Very good, so all in all there are alternatives for all. That's important. Therefore TDE is also important. |
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| Chris__ | The TDE Wiki is very interesting. Nice. |
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| Chris__ | So
I was not alone with this feeling that Qt4 and now Qt5 is so different
in feeling instead of Qt3. But I never found words for it. I will take a
look tomorrow to get out with help of the wiki what is the compiling
problem in Gentoo and otherwise, I will try to fix what is wrong, with
help. :) |
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| selk | good luck :) |
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| selk | good night everyone! |
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| TDE-user | Hello,
everyone. I was running TDE R14.0.4 on Debian Testing. After the latest
update I can't login anymore. I'm getting the DCOPserver error: There
was an error setting up interprocess communications for KDE. The message
returned by the system was |
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| TDE-user | "Could not read network connection list |
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| TDE-user | Please check that the "DCOPserver" program is running". |
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| TDE-user | I've already tried this: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/faq/install.php#greyscreen |
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| TDE-user | I.e., deleting files at ~ and /tmp to no avail. |
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| TDE-user | Can anyone help me, please? |
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| SlavekB | TDE-user: Can you check ~/.xsession-errors? I expect error mesages related to libr0 × libbfd dependency. |
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| TDE-user | Hello, SlavekB. There is an error stating that libbfd-2.27-system.so could not be loaded |
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| SlavekB | Thank you for confirmation. Due to a recent update binutils we need to rebuild 'libr' library... |
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| SlavekB | Updated packages should be available in about 1.5 hours. |
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| TDE-user | SlavekB: So, this won't fix until an update to the "libr" library. |
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| TDE-user | Sorry, it was at the same time. |
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| TDE-user | SlavekB:
Ok, I hope that the next update could fix it. I've spent hours trying
to fix it, including reading old stuff from KDE 3 related posts on
several fora. |
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| SlavekB | libr have very close dependence on specific versions of binutils. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore updates of binutils should require rebuild rebuild 'libr'. |
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| TDE-user | Ok.
Will those updated packages be available for R14.0.5 as well? I'm
asking because I've thought at first that was something due to be
running Debian Testing with R14.0.4 and then updated to the preliminary
builds. Only a few packages were updated anyway. |
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| SlavekB | TDE-user: Updated packages will be in preliminary stable builds repository. |
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| SlavekB | Because now it is very shortly after release R14.0.4, only few packages was updated at this moment. |
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| TDE-user | SlavekB: OK, thanks for the info. |
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| TDE-user | SlavekB: Yay, package libr0 updated and everything is working fine now. Thanks. |
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| SlavekB | TDE-user: Thank you for confirmation. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have 17 packages which are failing to build under Gentoo. Starting with
libkonq. It's something about statfs. I can paste the specified
message. I looked for the git history of this package in tdebase git
repo and found some commit to fix this, made in 2014. So normaly it
should work I think, but no. So maybe this is a old problem. |
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| _Chris_ | http://pastie.org/10963179 |
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| _Chris_ | And the last commit for this package it seems was this: |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/log/?qt=grep&q=libkonq |
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| _Chris_ | I can think of this is related. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh and ironicaly.... the reporter of that bug.... http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1555 was the maintainer of this Gentoo overay which I am using right now... |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1555: critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: libkonq FTBFS when compiled separately |
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| Space_Man | hi
_Chris_ one of the people you were chatting with earlier
SlavekB has disconnected, I'm sure they will be back fairly soon and kb9
vqf is probably busy |
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| _Chris_ | No
Problem, I haven't chatted with him today I think. I think that was
TDE-User, but I am simply writing here what I found out, or think what I
found out. |
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| _Chris_ | There
is no need to hurry up. Maybe this was needed, and maybe now it does
more harm than good, but that's just I guess. Okay, I could undo that
commit, but maybe kb9vqf knows better about it. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean this commit :) |
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| _Chris_ | And
what I found out is that the build of libkonq fails with exact the same
error as for the patch in this commit was made to fix. |
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| _Chris_ | Was
KDEcompmgr or TDEcompmgr fully removed and replaced by compton
(integrated in tdewin)? Because I maybe found randomly a call to it in
source code, exactly in tdestart. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, kcompmgr/tdecompmgr war replaced by compton-tde. |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/tree/starttde?id=83187020dc8904737019d13f9b6a059b010d555c#n615 |
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| SlavekB | kdetcompmgr is build in tdelibs. |
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| SlavekB | This serves to detect whether the composite manager running and search for compton-tde. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so all good, I just looked around, could had been the other way. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I understand. Okay, I just had this fix idea, this could be left. |
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| SlavekB | See http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/tree/tdecore/kdetcompmgr.cpp#n54 |
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| SlavekB | But it is true that the name of this binary is a bit misleading :) |
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| _Chris_ | Is
dcop planned to be removed completely over the long run by the way, or
is it supposed to be preverved for tdeapps to tdeapps communication? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I was thinking about that, because a lot was renamed already :) |
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| SlavekB | There is no plan to drop DCOP. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah I see, I thought it would be the fast way simply to ask someone who better knows the internals. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I asked, because, by the way, I found some pdf, making speed testing of
old gnome CORBA, DCOP and new DBUS. And the result was, dbus for app to
app communication was around 18 times slower than dbus... |
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| _Chris_ | But using DBUS for using out of TDE communication in addition, or to system services, right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, various applications already currently communicate with the system services via dbus. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah
okay, just asked to get a overview. Because in the news there was
talked about DBUS integration. Opera never switched to QT4 with the same
argumentation as the trinity project by the way. But the engine to fit
into tde with QT4-Apps and also GTK3-Apps is working already? |
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| SlavekB | You mean qt4-tqt-theme-engine and gtk3-tqt-engine in applications? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, if they are named so, yes I mean them. :) |
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| SlavekB | However, be careful, it sometimes manifested unstable. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay, but it's something. And GKT2 is supported since a long time, right? I don't recall that excactly from KDE3 times. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, gtk-qt-engine in applications is for GTK2. |
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| _Chris_ | Actually
I had not the luck to get TDE working under Gentoo, that's some bigger
task I fear. Would be nice to have a really working overlay, so that
maybe more Gentoo users could test it. |
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| _Chris_ | Very nice. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah
SlavekB, I wrote something yesterday or so, because of my problem,
compiling libkonq in Gentoo Linux. You were offline to this time, do you
want to re-paste that here, or you have read that in offline log? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I've read it in the log. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah okay, that's nice. So if you have some spare time, maybe you have some tips for me. |
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| _Chris_ | This could be more bugs related to TDE instead of Gentoo, but I am not sure. |
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| a-865 | Where in TCC is gtk look & feel managed? |
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| a-865 | using stretch there seems to be a tcm module missing |
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| Trinity-1 | Hello.
Running Debian here, I'm getting tdm.service failed at boot. I had to
uninstall plymouth in order to get to the login screen. Otherwise, boot
won't complete in an eternal loop of enabling and disabling login
manager. Any ideas? |
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| selk | how the login manager is launched? |
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| Trinity-1 | selk: I don't know. |
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| selk | hm |
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| selk | try to launch kdm manually: |
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| selk | exec /usr/bin/kdm -nodaemon |
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| Trinity-1 | selk: The thing is, somehow I get to the login screen. I don't have nay kdm package installed, only tdm-trinity. |
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| selk | try `tdm' then, I guess |
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| selk | I don't have TDE installed |
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| selk | I can't help you too much |
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| selk | sorry |
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| Borg^Queen | what's the problem? |
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| selk | have you checked the arguments in tdm.service? |
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| Borg^Queen | tdm doesn't seem to be working, use gdm |
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| Trinity-1 | Hello Borg^Queen. I hope you won't try to assimilate me. |
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| Trinity-1 | Borg^Queen: Is that so? Is it a bug or something? |
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| Borg^Queen | you are here, so it's already happened. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, some kind of bug. |
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| Borg^Queen | use gdm and all should be well. |
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| Trinity-1 | Borg^Queen: The thing is that I can get to login screen. But I had to uninstall plymouth. |
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| Borg^Queen | shouldn't make a diff |
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| Trinity-1 | I mean, it's working. But tdm.service fails. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, that's the bug |
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| Borg^Queen | you get the login, you login, all seems to be loading and then poof, fail |
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| Trinity-1 | Borg^Queen:
Yeah, tha's weird. If things keep working like this, I'd prefer to wait
for the fix instead of installing gdm. I don't notice any difference
besides that. |
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| Trinity-1 | At least I know it's something known. |
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| Borg^Queen | well, I'm not a fan of gdm but it works and it's only for a moment. |
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| Borg^Queen | You can also just use the commandline |
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| Borg^Queen | Well, sorry to say I'm off to work, or rather I need to start working. |
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| Borg^Queen | you can find us here if you need help. |
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| Borg^Queen | gdm or cli for login, for now. |
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| Borg^Queen | bbs |
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| Trinity-1 | Borg^Queen:Yep, me too. I'm leaving. Thanks. |
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| BQ-AFK | not to worry lad anytime |
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| Chris__ | There is also SLIM display manager as fallback. It's not needing any Gnome libs and a bit more.... than XDM. |
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| Chris__ | So TDM is not working in general, or simply just in combination with plymouth? |
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| BQ-AFK | in general |
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| Chris__ | Hm,
okay, good to know. So I hope someone kills this bug. I will test it if
I get it to work under Gentoo. Otherwise I will use SLIM. |
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| BQ-AFK | thank you, I hope they do to. |
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| BQ-AFK | I don't like gdm. |
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| Chris__ | kb9vqf,
do you want that I report all the compile fails within Gentoo (at the
moment 17 packages, but some are just not building because of missing
deps.) in the bugtracker? For some problems there are already existing
bugreports, but their status is fixed. The bug to compile libkonq was
fixed with a patch, but at now, I get the exact same error with this
patch. |
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| Chris__ | The
maintainer of the Gentoo overlay already reported some of them some
years ago. But it seems he never got it to work well in Gentoo. |
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| pitriss | On wheezy, TDM is completely OK.. |
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| kb9vqf | can you provide a build log of the first package to fail |
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| kb9vqf | ? |
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| Chris__ | Yes, I did already, it's in the log, a paste link. Slavek has seen it already, otherwise I can re-paste it here. |
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| Chris__ | Yesterday, or a day before. Should be in the log. With a link. |
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| pitriss | [17:05:22] <_Chris_> 23:02:13> http://pastie.org/10963179 // you mean this?:) |
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| Chris__ | Yes. |
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| Chris__ | And read the other messages around that too. |
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| Chris__ | I found a bugreport about that. |
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| Chris__ | It's the same message as reported in the bug. |
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| kb9vqf | Interesting |
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| kb9vqf | Chris__: If I had to guess, I'd say "#include <sys/vfs.h>" is missing from tdebase/libkonq/kivfreespaceoverlay.cc |
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| kb9vqf | now as to *why*, it's possible a CMake flag was not passed to the build |
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| kb9vqf | or, that CMake didn't find the VFS support |
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| kb9vqf | that's why I was looking for a full log with CMake configure output ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, you will get it if I have time, maybe in the next hour. |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf, this is the full build.log, hope that helps. |
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| _Chris_ | https://paste.debian.net/896654/ |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_: Here's the problem: Looking for sys/statvfs.h - not found |
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| kb9vqf | in fact, looks like a LOT of system libraries are not found |
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| kb9vqf | where does Gentoo put those files? |
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| kb9vqf | s/libraries/includes/ |
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| _Chris_ | usr/includes |
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| _Chris_ | I can show you the ebuilds, with them each package is build. Wait. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/tree/master/trinity-base/libkonq |
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| _Chris_ | The 9999 file is what I am using for this package for example. |
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| _Chris_ | usr/include/sys/statfs.h |
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| _Chris_ | For example. |
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| _Chris_ | usr/include/sys/statvfs.h |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly ebuilds should care about this I think. |
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| _Chris_ | usr/lib for libs. |
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| _Chris_ | I will be Afk now a half hour. |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_:
I'm not at all familiar with Gentoo, unfortunately. In your
build directory somewhere there should be a CMakeError.log file, can you
post that? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, one moment. |
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| _Chris_ | http://paste.debian.net/896663/ |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I am getting segfaults in systemlog, at the moment while checking for the includes... |
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| _Chris_ | There is in the CMakeError.log also ICE (Internal Compiler Error)... |
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| _Chris_ | I don't think that's because of missing includes, or not finding them, there is something really wrong it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | http://paste.debian.net/896674/ |
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| _Chris_ | Time for a reboot, otherwhise a global system-update. But other packages compiling fine. So I am a bit clueless. |
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| _Chris_ | No,
nothing changed. Seems to be a bigger problem. RAM is okay by the way. I
will do some recompiling of my base system components then and try it
again. |
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| eelik | thought about installing tde on kubuntu 16.10, but "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" |
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| eelik | tdeio-apt-trinity : Depends: adept-batch-trinity which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package |
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| eelik | kubuntu-default-settings-trinity : Conflicts: kubuntu-settings-desktop but 1:16.04ubuntu2 is installed |
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| eelik | can I safely accept the proposed solution? Or are there better options? |
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| eelik | "Remove the following packages:" |
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| eelik | kubuntu-settings-desktop [1:16.04ubuntu2 (now, yakkety)] |
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| eelik | Keep the following packages at their current version: |
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| eelik | tdeio-apt-trinity [Not Installed] |
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| eelik | Leave the following dependencies unresolved: |
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| eelik | kubuntu-desktop recommends kubuntu-settings-desktop |
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| eelik | kubuntu-desktop-trinity recommends tdeio-apt-trinity |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf,
interestingly tdesu and nsplugins are failing to compile because of the
exact same reasons as libkonq. I recompiled binutils, but no change. So
maybe I will testing this on a different computer. And it seems 10
packages were simply dependend from libkonq. So at all, there are 7
packages, which are not building under Gentoo. And I think it's only
because of this single problem. I will |
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| _Chris_ | get to sleep now. Good night at all. |
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| BQ-AFK | gn |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_:
*No* idea why you're getting an internal compiler error on
that. Something's really wrong on your system or in your
build environment.... |
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| _Chris_ | I
checked the other packages too kb9vqf, kcheckpass is failing because it
don't find pam... and so on. What ever problem I have, this is the root
of all evil :) |
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| kb9vqf | bus error is very strange |
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| _Chris_ | But...
I will test on a other PC. Funny that I had not a single problem
building other packages and in general, I am compiling every day under
Gentoo, all good. Very strange... |
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| kb9vqf | That's why I mentioned build environment. Any chance the overlay is somehow using a different / broken compiler |
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| kb9vqf | ? |
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| _Chris_ | The
overlay only give metadate. The compiler I have to choose. Actually GCC
4.9.3, I can test with 4.8 if I still have it on system, one moment. |
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| _Chris_ | Just i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.9.3 at the moment. Tomorrow then. |
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| _Chris_ | But
this GCC update I have forgotten to re-compile my whole system twice,
what I am doing normaly every more or less GCC-Update.... But some
people think that's... anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | GCC 4.8 to 4.9 for example. We will see. |
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| _Chris_ | I
found some tip in the Gentoo overlay of Trinity about KDM there...
Seems that KDM is not possible to login, if it's not build with PAM
support. Maybe the people who are experiencing it is not working to
login with it, are using packages without PAM? Just an idea. |
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| _Chris_ | *TDM |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, I understood correctly, that in your case the problem is not missing sys/statvfs.h, but segfaults in the compiler? |
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| Chris__ | Yes. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB, I did now test it on one other PC. And result is: The same error. |
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| Chris__ | The segfaults are in "as" if the syslog is right. I recompiled bintuils... But now change. |
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| Chris__ | *no |
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| Chris__ | I get the same segfaults on my other PC. |
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| Chris__ | But all other things are working. I think it fails to compile only by packages using cmake... |
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| SlavekB | It is strange, segfault is not normal behavior. |
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| Chris__ | TQt for example is compiling fine. |
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| Chris__ | Have you read what I talked yesterday with kb9vqf? |
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| Chris__ | I pasted some things in addition. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I looked into the irc history. |
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| Chris__ | The
segfaults are not related to the binutils I am using I think. I
recompiled them, tested on differen PCs and I updated them in
addition... |
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| Chris__ | Ah, good :) |
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| Chris__ | AS is for assembler, right? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| Chris__ | I don't get why it is failing while looking if the includes are there... |
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| Chris__ | But maybe it's not related to AS, also if the messages show it... Maybe it's only a result of some other problem. |
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| SlavekB | During the check of includes, compilation with this includes is also tested. |
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| SlavekB | And because the test compilation fails, include is probably considered as invalid => result "not found". |
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| Chris__ | And why the segfault then? |
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| Chris__ | Ah, okay AS is needed for compilation right? |
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| SlavekB | I see this as the crucial question - why as segfault with this include. |
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| Chris__ | Maybe the include files are... faulty? |
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| Chris__ | I could check to which packages they belong... And use newer version. |
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| Chris__ | But also pam include segfaults for example... |
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| Chris__ | cryp, stafs, stavfs, dlopen |
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| Chris__ | Do you think testing with GCC 4.8 instead 4.9 makes any difference? |
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| SlavekB | segfaults is definitely not a normal behavior. |
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| Chris__ | Yes
I know... I don't get how to test this to get what's wrong. Seems AS is
working as expected on all other compiles, other packages. It's also
only to cmake packages it seems... |
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| Chris__ | tqt, no problem... |
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| Chris__ | Skipping of the testing of includes is no option? |
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| SlavekB | It does not seem a good idea. |
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| Chris__ | hm. |
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| Chris__ | [791049.266468] as[19887]: segfault at 4675bf7 ip 080692ce sp bfe62d20 error 4 in as[8048000+55000] |
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| Chris__ | Same as yesterfay on my other PC. |
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| Chris__ | I will test GGC 4.8 then I think... Do you think it makes some difference? |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure if it will give a different behavior. |
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| Chris__ | Hm AS is binutils related normaly... |
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| SlavekB | which version of binutils you have? |
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| Chris__ | But a updated version brings no improvement. Moment. |
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| Chris__ | sys-devel/binutils-2.25.1-r1:2.25.1::gentoo USE="cxx nls zlib -multitarget -static-libs {-test} -vanilla" |
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| Chris__ | Maybe I could recompile with vanila use flag, so gentoo specific patches are out... |
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| Chris__ | binutils-configure-LANG.patch is the only gentoo specific patch... so not much.. |
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| SlavekB | 2.25 is similar to version in Debian Jessie. |
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| Chris__ | And that is working, right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes in Jessie it works on many architectures. |
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| Chris__ | Ah, I have the mmxext flag in my setup I see actually, but it's pentium 4 here, and it's not there. |
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| Chris__ | But at my other PC it is there, but also segfaulting, so I don't think it's related :( |
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| Chris__ | This script is used for the base of all trinity builds. |
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| Chris__ | https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/blob/master/eclass/trinity-functions.eclass |
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| Chris__ | And: https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/blob/master/eclass/trinity-base.eclass |
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| Chris__ | While compiling tdelibs I also get: |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for ctype.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for ctype.h - found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dirent.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dirent.h - found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dld.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dld.h - not found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dlfcn.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dlfcn.h - found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dl.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for dl.h - not found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for float.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for float.h - found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for fstab.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for fstab.h - found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for ieeefp.h |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for ieeefp.h - not found |
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| Chris__ | -- Looking for inttypes.h |
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| Chris__ | But no segfaults. |
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| Chris__ | But compiles fine... |
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| Chris__ | And they are there... all in /usr/include/* |
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| Chris__ | No,
it's not related to any binaries or something like this in Gentoo. But I
also don't think that's trinity-specific, otherwise it's only
segfaulting in trinity packages... So at the end it has to be the
overlay itself. But I linked you which files are the real and mostly
only magic and that's not as much... |
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| Chris__ | Which glibc are you using SlavekB? |
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| SlavekB | on Debian 7.x (Wheezy) - libc6 2.13, on Debian 8.x (Jessie) - libc6 2.19 |
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| Chris__ | sys-libs/glibc-2.22-r4 |
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| Chris__ | fstab.h belongs to it for example, stavfs.h too. |
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| SlavekB | On Debian 9.x (Stretch == testing) - libc6 2.24 |
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| Chris__ | And it works? |
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| Chris__ | I will update and recompile my glibc now... |
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| SlavekB | yes, all Debian versions from Debian 6 (libc6 2.11) to Debian 9 (libc6 2.24) |
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| Chris__ | Some recompile of glibc is good anyway, why not... |
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| SlavekB | Note - on Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial == LTS) is libc6 2.23. |
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| Chris__ | So just 22 is not used anywhere, :P |
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| Chris__ | Update to 23 now. |
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| SlavekB | On Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily) is libc6 2.21. |
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| Chris__ | Would be interesting if this would help now... |
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| Chris__ | No, with updated glibc no change... |
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| Chris__ | Can't be... Argh. |
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| pitriss | Ok guys.. as I promised, I tried to install devuan in virtualbox and install trinity into it.. base install on jessie seems ok.. |
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| pitriss | sorry for the delay, i had no time to fix issue with network in my virtualization earlier.:) |
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| _Chris_ | So,
I emailed the creator of the Gentoo overlay of trinity and wrote him
all we found out so far, the build.log, the CMakeError.log, the syslog
and what we tested. Maybe he has a guess what is the problem. It has to
be overlay specific. This is really something strange. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: You can do a small test - create new folder and minimal CMakeLists.txt like this: |
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| SlavekB | cmake_minimum_required( VERSION 2.8 ) |
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| SlavekB | include( CheckIncludeFile ) |
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| SlavekB | check_include_file( "sys/statvfs.h" HAVE_STATVFS ) |
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| SlavekB | And then in this folder do: cmake . |
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| _Chris_ | You mean within the overlay or simply on my system in home or so? |
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| SlavekB | in home or so == independend on Trinity overlay. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah okay, yes, I was not exactly sure about. One moment. |
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| _Chris_ | But within ebuilds portage (package manager) is using an eclass for cmake, but okay, I will try first independend. |
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| SlavekB | Said CMakeLists.txt is not useful to build any target, but only for perform the same test of same include file. |
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| SlavekB | The purpose is to verify whether the test will be successful or whether cause the same segfault. |
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| _Chris_ | - Looking for sys/statvfs.h |
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| _Chris_ | -- Looking for sys/statvfs.h - found |
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| _Chris_ | That was something I expected. Because I had no other problems at my system. But now that's clear. |
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| _Chris_ | And no segfault. |
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| _Chris_ | And now... You made me creative. |
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| _Chris_ | I
will take a ebuild for audacious for example and add this, so I can
check if statvfs include is at least general in portage package manager. |
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| SlavekB | So the question is, what options are used when cmake is used during builds in Trinity overlay. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, good idea. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes... Normaly simply the options from cmake eclass from portage... |
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| _Chris_ | I linked you the only magic of the overlay, right? The 2 eclass files... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, or do you think a cmake update will help? |
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| _Chris_ | But otherwise, it is not cmake which fails, it's as, so binutils, as what I can see... |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I have found the cmake utils eclass of Gentoo (is used by portage to use cmake) because of the options you asked for. |
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| _Chris_ | https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/eclass/cmake-utils.eclass |
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| _Chris_ | This is used in any ebuild which is using cmake. |
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| _Chris_ | Ebuilds
are template files for compile the software. Portage is using this
ebuild files. If you add new software to Gentoo, you write an ebuild,
and use some classes to write it, like cmake-utils for example. So as a
quick introduction. But the overlay is using two other eclasses in
addition. |
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| _Chris_ | https://devmanual.gentoo.org/eclass-reference/cmake-utils.eclass/index.html |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/blob/master/eclass/trinity-functions.eclass and https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/blob/master/eclass/trinity-base.eclass |
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| SlavekB | I
think a good simple test will be if you add check_include_file(
"sys/statvfs.h" HAVE_STATVFS ) into CMakeLists.txt in some other
project. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I am looking for. But it seems audacious is not using cmake. No project comes to my mind actually, any idea? :) |
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| _Chris_ | Look at the trinity-functions.eclass I linked, search for cmake, there are the args. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/blob/master/eclass/trinity-base.eclass#L280 |
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| _Chris_ | Or this way :) |
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| SlavekB | I looked into cmake-utils - in buildlog should be listed all parameters of the call cmake configuration. |
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| SlavekB | see https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/eclass/cmake-utils.eclass#n646 |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, do you want the build.log again to watch? |
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| _Chris_ | Ioh |
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| _Chris_ | I
tested something. I did enter the dir of the git repo download which
portage holds. Outside of portage/ebuild system and just tested the
cmake in this dir, with the cmakelists.txt there. |
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| _Chris_ | -- The C compiler identification is GNU 4.9.3 |
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| _Chris_ | -- The CXX compiler identification is GNU 4.9.3 |
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| _Chris_ | -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc |
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| _Chris_ | -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting C compiler ABI info |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting C compile features |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting C compile features - done |
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| _Chris_ | -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ |
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| _Chris_ | -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting CXX compile features |
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| _Chris_ | -- Detecting CXX compile features - done |
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| _Chris_ | CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:14 (check_include_file): |
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| _Chris_ | Unknown CMake command "check_include_file". |
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| _Chris_ | CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt: |
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| _Chris_ | No cmake_minimum_required command is present. A line of code such as |
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| _Chris_ | cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.6) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, next time paste service again, sorry. |
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| _Chris_ | It's maybe a problem of the cmakelists file? I did this in libkonq. |
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| _Chris_ | The guy doing this overlay for gentoo created also the cmake files it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe it's simply using an too old version of cmake because it lacks the minimum version of cmake in the cmake files? |
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| SlavekB | CMakeLists.txt in libkonq expects over it already files from parent folders. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. But... |
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| SlavekB | Therefore not contains: |
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| SlavekB | cmake_minimum_required( VERSION 2.8 ) |
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| SlavekB | include( CheckIncludeFile ) |
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| _Chris_ | In Gentoo all is build independed... |
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| _Chris_ | So package after package. |
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| _Chris_ | I will add it and test. |
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| SlavekB | libkonq is only "subpackage" of tdebase. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, nothing with minimum version, that error is gone away. Yes, I understand now. |
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| _Chris_ | So I have to start in tdebase, right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, in root of tdebase. |
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| _Chris_ | That is not working, maybe because I am testing this in not a clean state. This was simply an idea. Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | CMake Error at cmake/modules/TDEMacros.cmake:24 (message): |
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| _Chris_ | ################################################# |
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| _Chris_ | Please use out-of-source building, like this: |
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| _Chris_ | I will re-paste you the build.log so that you can look for the cmake args. |
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| SlavekB | you can create in tdebase subfolder - for example '.build', then cd in this subfolder and: "cmake .." |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes. |
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| _Chris_ | Nothing changed. I also created a folder out of tdebase. Used cmake tdebase. But same message. |
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| _Chris_ | Build.log again, because of the cmake args you meant. |
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| _Chris_ | http://paste.debian.net/896817/ |
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| _Chris_ | http://paste.debian.net/896819/ |
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| _Chris_ | And the CMakeError.log too. |
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| _Chris_ | Now
I am updating cmake to 3.7, I got that update now, not related to this
problem, it is simply that Gentoo people put it out :) |
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| _Chris_ | No, cmake is updated, the result is the same. I will go to sleep now. I feal my attention is failing. Good night @ all. |
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| _Chris_ | *feel (I said it) |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all |
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| _Chris_ | Borg^Queen, hello. |
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| Borg^Queen | hi hi |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I am testing right now if it works to compile with GCC 4.8. |
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| Borg^Queen | ? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
that's something you maybe not know about. I am testing to build TDE in
Gentoo Linux, but on Gentoo there are very strange bugs it seems. The
compiler, or better as (binutils) is segfaulting. It seems it is the
overlay (the instructions to build in in Gentoo), or any strange bug in
Gentoo itself. I now tested GCC 4.8. Maybe this helps. |
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| Borg^Queen | gentoo is good but demanding |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I am using it since 2008. And I hope I will never switch. Using it an all my PCs. |
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| _Chris_ | You
build all from source. You have bo packages, you have ebuilds, which
are in fact something like templates to build some package. |
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| _Chris_ | This is going to be very strange, fighting to get it work since nearly a week. But trinity devs are helping me very much. |
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| _Chris_ | Borg^Queen, what are you using? |
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| _Chris_ | In Gentoo you don't have systemd, but you can, if you want. It's about choice. Like trinity a bit. :-) |
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| pitriss | Guys
please do you have some tips for sane browser running in debian wheezy?
I used Palemoon which was fork of firefox with older gui.. but err,
they are going nuts and trying to change everything.. from core to
graphical toolkit.. |
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| Borg^Queen | Currently using an old distro Ark Linux. |
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| _Chris_ | But
for people to simply use their PC, switching from Windows to Linux, I
would not use Gentoo. There are much better options there. I have also
found Q4OS now over trinity, it looks very nice. |
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| Borg^Queen | It's me fave distro but it's time to replace it. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I never heard of it Borg^Queen. |
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| _Chris_ | I will look for it Borg^Queen. |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: seamonkey. |
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| _Chris_ | Palemoon. |
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| Borg^Queen | Less crap than FF |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| Borg^Queen | q4os using systemD does it not? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, funny. I am a palemoon fan. Yes, they want to get their own identity. |
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| pitriss | chris: I don't think own core of web browser can be coded properly by small team.. |
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| _Chris_ | Borg^Queen, I don't know. Using a older Debian I think. |
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| Borg^Queen | I like palemoon, I think it will surprise us in the future |
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| _Chris_ | But for simple desktop users, it is more intended. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, they need a TQt3 gui :-P |
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| _Chris_ | It's a similar project like trinity. |
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| _Chris_ | But yes pitriss, I also fear some big changes of it... |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
its just naive though.. They will never made it..I was webcoder in the
past and no, they lost their chance by theri own core.. They are not
supported by websites etc.. And no, webmasters will not tune their
websites for minority of users:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, are you using 26.5.0 version? |
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| pitriss | nope |
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| pitriss | I tried it and got back to 25 |
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| pitriss | as their new core SUCKS badly |
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| _Chris_ | Yes pitriss, I know... But it's some alternative... And I wish them a lot of luck. You have to begin with something... |
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| Borg^Queen | true |
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| _Chris_ | Yes pitriss? So new 27? |
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| pitriss | a lot of websites looked even worse than in old gecko |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: no.. I read their forum and I don't wanna even try that crap:) |
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| pitriss | I want something that can display pages properly, otherwise i would stick with konqueror:) |
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| pitriss | Konqueror is at least lightweight:) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes pitriss, that's true, therefore I really thought about that... |
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| Borg^Queen | problem is companies like apple, google and MS are paying a lot of sites to tune it to them and lock out others. |
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| _Chris_ | For simply browsing, not having open more than 100 tabs :-P |
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| Borg^Queen | konq is awesome |
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| pitriss | As
i said.. small team will never be able to code good core for web
browser dur these silly html5 etc extensions:) Even big companies like
google and apple preffer to send few commits to webkit rather than
writing its own core:) |
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| _Chris_ | I
am very tolerant, I think you have to be as palemoon user. They will
never get all the mainstream as their users, but otherwise that's good,
so they don't have this fix idea to make all "simple". |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: LOL i have ~80 tabs atm in palemoon:D |
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| _Chris_ | I wish Opera 12 could still work. |
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| _Chris_ | I used Opera QT3 version a lot back in the KDE 3 days. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Borg^Queen | Did they fold or something? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
But I'm not palemoon user.. I'm user of browser which provided the best
for me.. stable core and nice UI.. both is not true for me at the
moment |
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| pitriss | I don't care of brand or name, but features.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, yes, I think more people as we think have such a lot of open tabs. But there is the day the session is broken... :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Opera changed to webkit. |
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| _Chris_ | To bling (webkit fork). |
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| _Chris_ | They ditched their presto engine... |
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| Borg^Queen | too many forks |
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| pitriss | It
must fit to my system (gtk with qtcurve can look good in trinity) and
corectly display websites.. with new toolkit it will be not true so..:)
No thanks palemoon |
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| _Chris_ | It was closed source, but it was fast. They tested to change to QT4 in Linux, but it was no good experience. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, so no GTK3 crap? :-P |
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| pitriss | in worst case I will try selfcompile chromium.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: bah:D nope:D |
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| _Chris_ | I don't like it. Wish somebody would fork GTK2. It's sufficent for most things still today. |
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| Borg^Queen | true |
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| Borg^Queen | gtk3 is problematic |
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| pitriss | GTK3, unity, KDE5, systemd <= these things i don't want in my PC:D |
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| Borg^Queen | agreed |
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| Borg^Queen | kde5 is a mess |
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| _Chris_ | I
wish we could be back to old times. The world is changing too fast,
most simple people can't create themes as fast. Look what for a lot of
themes we had in Gnome2 or KDE 3. |
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| _Chris_ | This is all is lost. In GTK3-Days it seems all looks the same. |
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| pitriss | I don't see any reason why OS and its graphical frontend should be resource hungry.. :) |
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| pitriss | I can find better way to spend my system resources:D |
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| Borg^Queen | It shouldn't be, that's the point. |
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| _Chris_ | I think all this Linux Desktop development was good, until 2008. |
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| Borg^Queen | hackers have become "progammers" |
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| Borg^Queen | exactly |
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| Borg^Queen | Ark Linux was released in 2008 |
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| pitriss | agree too..:) |
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| _Chris_ | As they had this fix idea to change all the way people had to work with their PCs under Linux. |
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| Borg^Queen | last release, and then the lead dev sold out to google |
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| pitriss | Distro I loved most was Debian Lenny..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Borg^Queen, you really should take a look at Gentoo. Or Funtoo. |
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| pitriss | I used it even year ago till my FS broken and I was forced to upgrade to Wheezy + Trinity:D |
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| Borg^Queen | funtoo? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, Gentoo was made by Daniel Robbins. In 2002 or so. |
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| _Chris_ | And then he leaved to Microsoft. |
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| _Chris_ | And without someone saying how things should be done, Gentoo had no real lead. |
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| Borg^Queen | he sold out? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Hehe good news for me is that trinity is running also under devuan (fork of debian without systemd) |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: another one to check into |
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| pitriss | so i have some option where to move when wheezy become unsupported |
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| _Chris_ | To
make it short, in 2010 or so Daniel Robbins wanted to help the Gentoo
project again, but they don't wanted, to he started a fork, using the
portage tree and ebuilds and all of Gentoo, but with some additions =
Funtoo. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I can't believe the Debian guys using systemd now. |
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| Borg^Queen | so he's out of MS? |
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| _Chris_ | But redhat is behind this all I think. There are many theories. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: agree.. worst decision ever |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, there's something very sinister about systemd |
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| _Chris_ | You know spacefm file manager? Their dev "ignorantguru" have a blog, he writes about this all. |
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| Borg^Queen | there are rumours it has secret backdoors and data miners built in |
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| _Chris_ | No Borg^Queen, MS allowed him to work again in free time for open source. |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| Borg^Queen | I would distrust him too |
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| Borg^Queen | MS is evil |
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| _Chris_ | I at the point where I prefer some slowly change system, like maybe trinity, over something ever changing. |
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| _Chris_ | *am |
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| Borg^Queen | I
know two former top MS programmers who left after they worked on vista
and called it the worse and largest data miner virus ever. |
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| _Chris_ | They hired him for understanding open source, or something like that... |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: it was.. now is microsoft harmless to linux.. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Borg^Queen | Because MS is now dependant on linux |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: more malicious are devs like Lennart Poettering and his systemd and other not "linux way" crap |
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| pitriss | its like plague |
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| Borg^Queen | I prefer slow change as well. |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: agreed |
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| _Chris_ | Seems
to call egoistic and bad, but back in the days Ubuntu gained polularity
to simple people, I feared what is now happening. They want to make all
simple. |
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| Borg^Queen | they want to make it stupid |
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| _Chris_ | Better to use a freak system, where there is no need to remove options. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: ubuntu is good in long term run.. until you need to change anything:) |
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| Borg^Queen | remove option? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I loved Ubuntu too, but later it was getting.... |
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| _Chris_ | They ditched KDE3. |
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| _Chris_ | And than this unity change... |
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| Borg^Queen | I dumped all ubuntus after I found out who was behind it. |
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| _Chris_ | Borg^Queen, hm? :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
i started on Kubuntu dapper drake.. and then I switched to debian when
kubuntu hardy almost fried my CRT screen by its fucked up autodetection |
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| Borg^Queen | what's his name, shuttleworth, shuttleford? |
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| _Chris_ | I started also in dapper! |
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| _Chris_ | With Ubuntu. |
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| _Chris_ | I am still using CRT. |
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| Borg^Queen | how old are you guys? |
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| _Chris_ | FW900 from sony. 24" :-P |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: me too.. Eizo T561 |
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| Borg^Queen | woah, huge and heavy |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes Borg^Queen about the name you are right. |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: 35.. almost 36 |
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| Borg^Queen | oh a wee lad lol |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know exactly his name, but in this form. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| _Chris_ | 27. |
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| Borg^Queen | He's not to be trust, |
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| Borg^Queen | I feel old lol |
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| _Chris_ | Haha, nothing to worry about :-D |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: Youth is not about age, its state of mind:) |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| Borg^Queen | then I'm 3 years old |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: So old? LOL |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| _Chris_ | You too are using TDE in production? |
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| _Chris_ | *two |
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| Borg^Queen | on some machines |
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| Borg^Queen | I haven't decided on a replacement for ark linux yet |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: I'm using only Trinity.. no other DE here |
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| Borg^Queen | No other gui either |
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| Borg^Queen | just kde 3.5 and trinity |
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| _Chris_ | I had my journey with Fluxbox, WindowMaker, FVWM-Crystal. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: There is nothing so complex and lightweight at the same time as Trinity |
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| Borg^Queen | I've tried others. I like Enlightenment. |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| Borg^Queen | client is crying about win10 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, sure. Therefore I want to give a DE a try again. |
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| pitriss | E16 was quite nice.. E17 was more like clownparade |
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| Borg^Queen | agreed |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| _Chris_ | E16 I looked for, but I think they will follow the trend... |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: I wish you luck with that gentoo.. Is really pleasure to see how users wants to use Trinity:) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I want to make it more easy for them to use it. Some kind of advertisement. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: they are.. bloat bloat bloat and some eyecandy and bloat on top:D |
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| _Chris_ | Gentoo people don't want to have it in portage tree, because of possible secruity concerns in QT3. |
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| _Chris_ | But they can do "layman -a trinity" and then "emerge -av tdebase-meta" and they have it. |
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| pitriss | I can understand their point but.. err there are more serious 0day holes:D |
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| pitriss | and will be worse with up to date HW with HW backdoors forced by goverment:) |
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| _Chris_ | I never found someone having secruity problems using QT3. Theory and facts. |
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| _Chris_ | There are a lot of Windows XP users. |
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| pitriss | God bless and long live my old i7 :D |
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| _Chris_ | I am using a P4 notebook from sony sometimes still. |
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| _Chris_ | And I think trinity will work nice on it. |
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| pitriss | But anyway.. I have luck on HW.. I have still functional Duron 800MHz, 1.5GB RAM with GeForce2 (64MB vRAM) |
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| pitriss | And its usable with old debian with trinity:D |
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| SlavekB | I'am now on my EeePC == Atom N280 :) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss,
but trinity is also a big project, heard something about 14 milliones
lines of code. If you think so pessimistic about palemoon... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I also have such a machine SlavekB :-P |
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| pitriss | Eee 1000something was quite nice machine back in the days:) |
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| _Chris_ | I have some mainboards using IGP graphics ov VIA. Openchrome. |
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| _Chris_ | They removed DRI drivers out of mesa, but I am going to get it to work again. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Im not pesimistic about lines of code but about complexity of webstandards and speed of their expansion..:) |
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| _Chris_ | This is more easy under Gentoo. Arch is having seperate packages for it. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, ah, I think I understand. But we need some people like them. Otherwise one day, we all will be depend on webkit. |
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| _Chris_ | Look for dillo browser pitriss. |
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| _Chris_ | They have their own engine, floating objects don't work in CSS, but they are still working on it. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
will look..:) I would be glad if i will succeed with compilation of
some newer Chromium as that bundled in wheezy is not working properly
anymore due to some security fix:) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: yes but dillo is not meant as full featured browser for anyone:) at least it wasnt back in the days when I was webcoder |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, I am not quite good to speak about google. I have seen the Android development. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
and trust me.. Webmasters will not spent hours fixing stuff for few
thousands palemoon users worldwide.. chance they hit their site more
than 2-3 times is not so big |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, yes, I see palemoon with the same view as dillo. Therefore I am not as hard about my requirements. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: I don't like it too.. but chromium should be independent.. and I saw "degoogled" chromium also somewhere |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss,
there it's important that all users write the webmasters about their
problems with palemoon. If I would do it... Look there is also Vivaldi
browser (former opera boss). But I think it's also using webkit. My
experience with chromium and webkit is that it is so hungry of CPU/RAM. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but there are so much internals pitriss. I know this in Android. |
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| _Chris_ | Open Source is good, everyone can look for the source code, but in fact, a lof of people think all are doing this. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: for me palemoon was browser for daily use..:) so huge disappointment here |
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| _Chris_ | If code is too complex. |
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| _Chris_ | In Chromium there are calls to google still. It was so some time ago, I read something about. |
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| _Chris_ | It's like xorg, they found this screensaver hack some time ago. It was there, for a lof of time, nobody looked for it. |
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| pitriss | yes i see.. but that is point of that fork of chromium where guys removed all calls to google:) |
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| _Chris_ | I haven't used Chromium since a while, can be. There was another chromium fork I think. |
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| pitriss | https://9to5google.com/2016/09/30/ungoogled-is-the-chrome-browser-you-love-minus-the-google/ |
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| _Chris_ | But
I don't liked their change of gui/interface some time ago. I used
chromium as second choice of palemoon, but leaved as I saw this... crap. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. |
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| pitriss | yes their gui is awful.. but at least it renders pages properly.. |
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| _Chris_ | Borg^Queen, I looked for Ark, it's something like Q4OS a bit. Or it was. |
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| _Chris_ | Look
what Mozilla did. All people switched to Firefox. And now Mozilla is
doing Firefox for them. Not for the old advanced users. |
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| _Chris_ | All good is having drawbacks in the long way. |
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| _Chris_ | So and now another try to compile libkongq. This time with GCC 4.8. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: good luck |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, thank you. I need that. |
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| _Chris_ | No, that was nothing. No change. |
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| pitriss | aww pity.. but you will figure it out;) |
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| _Chris_ | I
hope so, I already wrote the creator of this Gentoo overlay, maybe he
knows something. But I fear he is no longer active at this anymore, I
don't know for sure. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB,
I tested something. I got a copy of the git repo of tdebase in a
folder, outside of any portage. And I tried to build tdebase with cmake.
And the result is again: |
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| _Chris_ | -- Looking for dlopen in dl - not found |
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| _Chris_ | And so on. |
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| _Chris_ | Without any overlay. |
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| _Chris_ | And: Also the segfaults. |
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| _Chris_ | So it is no overlay problem. |
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| _Chris_ | I tested to build TDE, just by hand. Like done in any other Linux. |
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| _Chris_ | I
wrote another email with my results to the overlay creator, would be
interesting what his results are. I am going to test this on some
machines more running Gentoo. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, cmake is using cmake. But it compiled yesterday also without problems. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: I'm not gentoo user but maybe you can try it on "fresh & default" install if there is something like that:) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, yes, the thing is... The machine is tested also was some one I installed just some time ago. |
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| _Chris_ | I could test it under live DVD or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | Or it has to be something what I have done at all of my machines. Maybe some some flags like sse. |
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| pitriss | yeah that i meant by default.. not setting anything.. like i did with devuan while testing trinity packages |
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| _Chris_ | If so I would check with live DVD, but there is no real Gentoo default, you have to do all manualy. |
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| pitriss | Btw
ty guys, seamonkey looks sane enough.. and as bonus it looks it will
run also my fave extensions like web developer toolbar or stylish:) |
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| _Chris_ | I can tune my march=native, maybe that will help. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, oh, I wish you good luck with Seamonkey. |
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| _Chris_ | No, changing march of GCC to native nothing changed. Also without any tuning flags. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, you use actually trinity under devuan? |
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| pitriss | nope.. I'm actually under debian wheezy.. ( |
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| pitriss | its LTS at the moment:) but last debian without systemd |
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| pitriss | devuan is my next step when i would need to upgrade:) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. But not using trinity there at now right? |
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| pitriss | not using.. I only promised to test it there (as i was curious too) |
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| pitriss | I installed devuan into virtualbox and tested.. It works as expected, installs without any error:) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I ask because I wanted to know which backend for Amarok/Kaffeine you are using. GStreamer/Xine. If that is an option still. |
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| _Chris_ | I looked for some cmake related bug reports in Gentoo bugtracker, but there is nothing like that for the problem. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: I don't use this kind of music players.. I'm using mpd many years now:) |
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| _Chris_ | I used a lot audacious under simple WM. |
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| _Chris_ | They
are still using GTK2, so no bloat, but they are also working on a QT5
interface. But still preserving and working the GTK2 gui. |
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| pitriss | audacious is not bad..:) but still I prefer to have player that doesnt need gui.. so mpd and optional qmpdclient |
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| _Chris_ | Also
smplayer and MPV for video. But I thought about using the navive TDE
apps at least at the weaker machines, because it's all so nice
integrated. |
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| pitriss | plus bonus for me that it can stream music (even when I'm still using icecast for streaming) |
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| pitriss | yes smplayer with mplayer here too |
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| _Chris_ | Under FVWM-Crystal mpd can be integrated within the recipe. (the style/layout you use). |
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| _Chris_ | I wanted to take a look at MPD since a long time, but I never came to it. |
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| _Chris_ | But I don't like smplayer, I don't know why. It's okay, but I prefer MPV, they have a pseudo-gui. It's mplayer2 fork. |
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| pitriss | I have multimedia keyboard so for me gui is good only when changing playlists:) rest can be controled via keyboard:) |
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| pitriss | and MPD have its simple protocol so it can be scripted:) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have too. |
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| _Chris_ | I
used Amarok to KDE3 times a lot and liked it much to this time, looked
at the KDE4 Amarok and it was... Then I liked XMMS, because it was
something interesting with the skins, then audacious. Before Amarok
rythmbox under Ubuntu dapper or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | I thought about testing MPD just some months ago again, because of it's integration within conky (system monitor). |
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| _Chris_ | Ah why not, now I am going to test it under the third machine. |
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| _Chris_ | (To compile tdebase) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: hope it will work |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, me too, but that would be a bit... strange. |
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| _Chris_ | I am testing it now under my Android compile workstation :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, what are you using for IRC? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: konversation since dapper:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, Hexchat (XChat fork). |
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| _Chris_ | But I am not using IRC a lot normaly. |
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| _Chris_ | I want to test Konversation too. Are you using the KDE 4 variant? |
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| pitriss | nope.. trinity one.. many of KDE4 variants was not ported properly.. kmail/konversation were good examples of that |
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| pitriss | konversation
would like to have some love as it completely freeze when it lost
connection.. but except that it just works as expected |
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| pitriss | hmm hmm I will need to find replacement for some extensions for seamonkey, but most important ones are working:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, yes I know, therefore I asked which variant. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you will switch to palemoon once again in 28.x or so :-P |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
i don't think so:D I'm too old to fiddle with browser every half year:D
I like to have what i set up and keep it going for years.:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, than I think Seamonkey is a good choince, knowing his background. |
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| _Chris_ | *choice |
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| pitriss | yeah..
i switched from iceweasel to palemoon because of iceweasels leaking..
was needed to restart it every few hours.. palemoon need restart once
per day:) |
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| _Chris_ | BTW:
Trinity compiling fight the third round is started at now. Let's wait
some time and looking at the results. This machine is working perfectly,
last try. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's something... gecko related.... |
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| pitriss | that ff/iceweasels gui is pain and resource hungry..:/ + gecko leaks and result is disaster:D |
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| _Chris_ | I like gecko anyway. |
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| pitriss | me too |
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| _Chris_ | But if you are preserving all your tabs, it's a bad choice. |
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| _Chris_ | Some day, I will do a cleanup of them again. Every 2 years or so I do. |
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| _Chris_ | Thats the reason I still have firefox installed and not removed, I have still to look for the open tabs. |
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| _Chris_ | Ironically there are boomarks for this... |
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| _Chris_ | But if you bookmark something you could forget about it too fast... |
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| _Chris_ | ... |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, you are still using a CRT too? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: yes.. Eizo T561 |
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| _Chris_ | Ah nice, do you want to know why I switched of from WindowMaker WM (which is under active work again)? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss,
I do a calibration of my CRT over Windas, you can tweak with this sony
tool the firmware parameters of this beast and can do a full hardware
white point calibration and much more for example. And WindowMaker was
after Fluxbox perfect for me. You have these blocks for starting
applications and the edges of your screen and at full HD resolution you
have never a maxed out window, so it is |
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| _Chris_ | very
nice to work with. But it was so perfect for me, that I never changed
these blocks/boxes and some years later as I wanted to re-calibrate that
beast, I noticed all my box/block icons on a white screen. Burned in. |
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| pitriss | awww |
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| _Chris_ | Sad perfect world. All is having drawbacks... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes you are having fullscreen while watching streams and Videos and so on or games. |
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| _Chris_ | But most of the time I surfed the web, so palemoon in the middle, around this window all this boxes, or dockapps. |
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| _Chris_ | Most of the time the phosphor surface of the CRT got unevenly weared out. |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, therefore screensavers are there. |
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| pitriss | thats bad.. |
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| _Chris_ | But that made no difference. |
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| _Chris_ | You can only notice it if you really look for it at white ground. |
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| _Chris_ | But I will get some replacement of this beast in some weeks I think. You can get them sooo cheap these days. |
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| _Chris_ | For movies and so they are really good, until OLED is not wearing out in a year or so. |
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| _Chris_ | I will still preserve all the parts. The Flyback in these beast are worthfull. |
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| _Chris_ | I dont wanted to change my boxes/blocks in WindowMaker all the time, only because to prevent from burnin. So TDE will help out. |
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| pitriss | I
love my eizo too..:) It have awesome colors and much expensive LCD cant
keep up.. and because its working at 85Hz its also comfortable for my
eyes.. I'm weirdo who can see standard TV to blink:D |
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| _Chris_ | So I would not use it so much on CRT. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, yes I know exactly what you mean. I love CRT too. |
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| _Chris_ | But don't use too much contrast. |
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| _Chris_ | I
am going to buy a CRT tester. For real cheap. You can also clean the
cathodes of the CRT with it. I am just interested in this. |
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| _Chris_ | And the contrast and sharpness will be back to the old days then. If you phosphor is not too much weared out. |
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| _Chris_ | I do own TFTs too. But I prefer CRT for movies and also for games. |
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| _Chris_ | TDE repo is getting slow atm. I am getting 32kb/s only. |
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| Borg^Queen | switch servers? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but I am nearly down with fetching :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| _Chris_ | Done. |
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| _Chris_ | I had luck that this was only at the end. All good now. |
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| mirda | hello |
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| mirda | I love CRT too |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| mirda | but my beloved EIZO F77 died a year ago:( |
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| _Chris_ | Hello mirda. |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, oh, how did it die? |
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| mirda | now i am using two Dell 17" LCD panels 1280×1024 because I live in small flat and I need thicker displays than CRT |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, yes that's also a *big* deal with CRTs. In how far the CRT died? |
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| mirda | I think that high voltage grid electrode in front of display electrically broke in that eizo |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, just a line to see? |
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| _Chris_ | Most problems on CRTs are easy to fix if you know about it. |
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| _Chris_ | Most of the case cold solder joints. |
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| _Chris_ | I am AFK a half hour at now. |
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| mirda | nothing
to see at it.. there was a crackling soud while it broke and I saw
white color dynamically changing to violet color in that time |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, sounds interesting. |
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| mirda | it broke when I turned on my computer |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe a fault of the electro guns. |
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| mirda | I think it was caused some time before when I tried to clean eizo under it's cover using a compressed air |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, sometimes they contain oil. |
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| mirda | because after that, every power on went with some little crackling sound |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, but that is not doing any harms most of the times. |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, crackling, maybe the flyback. |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, that's the part what is getting a lot of stress and wear out. |
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| mirda | yes, it's possible |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, it died with a good reason. Replacement flyback had cost too much I think. |
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| mirda | yes, I agree |
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| _Chris_ | But if you think about it: My FW900 is about 16 years now. |
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| mirda | that is a lot of time |
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| _Chris_ | That is a good quality. |
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| _Chris_ | It's used by Hollywood it seems still today. |
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| mirda | hehe, 24" widescreen CRT |
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| mirda | nice |
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| mirda | Maximum Resolution |
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| mirda | 2304x1440 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's it. |
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| mirda | ohh |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | But I use 1920x1200. |
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| mirda | at which refresh rate? |
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| _Chris_ | The mask is not made to resolve that other resolution full, so it will be a bit unsharp. |
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| mirda | ahh, I understand |
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| _Chris_ | 1920x1200 is sharp. But it is getting unsharp, I will get a replacement one in next time, for nearly nothing. |
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| _Chris_ | TDE is having this Krandr applet, that's nice for a CRT user... :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I am a bit AFK at now, I am back, I can report if the third Gentoo installation had luck with compiling TDE :-) |
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| mirda | I can watch local web pages like ebay for some good (eizo) CRTs but I have an issue with depth of CRT display, so I have LCD |
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| mirda | I know Krandr, it is good |
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| _Chris_ | mirda, ah yes, I do that too, I have that space, but I understand you good. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh my god. |
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| Borg^Queen | ? |
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| _Chris_ | I just wanted to report: The third machine did compile libkonq fine. |
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| Borg^Queen | well done lad. |
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| _Chris_ | I have to go AFK for now, but that needs really more investigation. Very strange! |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: its progress still |
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| _Chris_ | So, I am back and it's all compiled. |
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| _Chris_ | The only difference is that this is 64bit, other other machines not. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB, so to report: TDM is working without any problems, the login is possible. |
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| _Chris_ | But
the Trinity Logo at the right top edge is out of aspect ratio. It's too
smal, stretched. Nothing to complain, just for report. |
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| pitriss | what logo? where?:) Anyway, congratz.. |
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| _Chris_ | The
KDM login screen has at the default screen a TDE logo in the top right
edge. That is out of aspect ratio with 1200x1024 resolution. |
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| _Chris_ | *1280 |
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| _Chris_ | But the default identity theme comes very good. Clean and smooth. |
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| _Chris_ | Very, very nice. |
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| _Chris_ | But
in the Gentoo overlay a lot of TDE apps like amarok are missing, I
think I will change that. But before I have really to find out what was
or still is the problem for the other machines. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
if you mean wallpaper under login screen.. it can be changed and it is
not possible to provide wallpaper with every resolution available so..:) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: still is great you was able to compile tde base.. when you figure out what was wrong, rest will come easily |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss,
yes, it might be the wallpaper. It's the aspect ratio. But nothing bad.
I will look at it if I have time and all is working. Nowdays all are
using widescreen resolution anyway. At this machine I am using it not. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss,
I don't found out the problem, I simply was able to compile it, but
only at this machine. That needs investigation again... :-) |
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| pitriss | I'm not fan of wide screens too:) |
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| _Chris_ | My Notebook (P4) is not widescreen too. I better like other aspect ratios for writing letters and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | *one of my notebooks |
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| _Chris_ | But TDE is blazing fast. |
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| _Chris_ | I really see no difference between it and a simple WM actually. |
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| pitriss | you will figure it out, for sure.. It will be something with configuration of gentoo |
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| pitriss | yep its fast |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but therefore there is only one file, make.conf. With compiler and build customs. |
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| _Chris_ | What
wonders me, is that TDM is working fine, because some people said it is
having problems. I think that's PAM related then. I will test that too,
recompile without PAM. I am downloading the i18n packages from GIT repo
actually, it's a lot. |
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| pitriss | for those who suggested seamonkey to me: http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
this is really handy tool.. some extensions works after conversion:D So
I have almost full set working now.. (except plugin for transmission
torrent) |
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| SlavekB | About Opera: http://www.newsweb.no/newsweb/search.do?messageId=412755 |
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| SlavekB | Several major developers left the project after that... |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, let me read. |
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| _Chris_ | Is that this chinese investor...? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it was sold to China. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean they have also AntiVirus products on Android... |
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| _Chris_ | But Opera was down just before that. |
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| _Chris_ | That was the last one. |
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| _Chris_ | Now there is other browser (QT5+webkit) and Vivaldi (webkit+qt5). |
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| _Chris_ | *otter |
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| _Chris_ | I
am just testing again what could cause the segfaults, but... I don't
find it. I can only recompile the whole system at some point. GLIBC,
GCC, binutils, cmake, they all are at the same versions. |
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| _Chris_ | I liked Opera, until version 12 I think. It worked very well under KDE3. |
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| _Chris_ | Or was it 11? I don't know anymore. I still have this version on my machine here. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB,
by the way: What engine is prefered for Amarok/Kaffeine to be used?
Xine or GStreamer? I have seen TDE has added 1.x support of GSstreamer.
Xine had got 1.2 support 2013 I have seen in the commits, but I fear
there is not much activity these days at the Xine project. |
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| SlavekB | I am using xine - in Amarok, in kaffeine,... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I wanted to do the same. I have read in old KDE forum that Xine was
preference in Amarok and more stable. GStreamer was something I had in
bad memories... Maybe it is because I used their "plugins-bad" packages a
lot back in my Ubuntu time... :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And to this time the quality was not so good. But that can have changed. |
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| _Chris_ | Testing to compile TDE at another machine now. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
I wanted to ask.. Did you thought about redo of konqueror to have new
core? that one is not much suitable for "modern" web.. I'm not fan of
html5 and whole web 2.0, 3.0.. actually i hate when every fart on net
must have comments and so on.. But that thing what konqueror is using is
really ancient:) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there are some things, that I want to try. Just not as much time as I would have liked. |
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| SlavekB | Konqueror I use very often - it's my primary browser. But as you say, sometimes I have to open the page in another browser... |
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| _Chris_ | I have read that there is some try to use the qt4-webkit engine in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | I like the KHTML engine still because of it's speed. At least for doing some quick searches. |
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| paul- | my problem with the khtml engine is it doesn't render anything properly for me |
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| paul- | google, facebook, twitter, youtube, slashdot, reddit all have formatting errors |
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| paul- | i like konqueror as a web browser because of the desktop integration |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's true, like pitriss said. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it's like dillo than a bit :) |
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| paul- | when i open a mp4 file it can stream it in kaffine instead of downloading it |
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| _Chris_ | But
I feared it could be more bad. I tested now a bit since I have got
compiled TDE under one PC and it's good useable, besides some websites
are shown are bit strange. For this mp4 thing you need a plugin for
other browsers I think. I think palemoon does this with HTML5 with
gstreamer. There was also a plugin of kaffeine for Firefox or so. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB, something I noticed. If you leave, there is a lik to the actual kopete website. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you think it could be better to link to the TDE website? |
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| _Chris_ | *link |
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| _Chris_ | I mean, making this to default for new installs too. |
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| SlavekB | Yes
you're right. I just was not sure if this message comes from my older
KDE configuration or whether it is still included as the default message
in code. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB, I looked at the repo, for taking a look at the default preferences, but I only found kopete-otr. |
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| _Chris_ | Have I overseen it? |
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| SlavekB | kopete is in tdenetwork |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, thanks. |
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| _Chris_ | The TDE website and the repo is browseable without any issues at least in Konqueror. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I don't find any preference file in the kopete repo, at least not one holding this text: (Quit: Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org). |
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| _Chris_ | And
again, the third machine is failing to compile libkonq. I start to
think it's something about amd64 vs. x86 thing. Because it only work on
that amd64 arch. |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdenetwork/tree/kopete/protocols/irc/ircaccount.cpp#n350 |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, protocols, right. I never thought about. Thanks. |
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| _Chris_ | But yes, it's a multi-client, so it was expectable at least. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it would be good to add in this message shortly about what trinity is... |
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| _Chris_ | KDE 3.5 fork. Or something like that. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: maybe not fork but successor?:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss, sounds better, right. :) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: its detail but fork invokes some change in direction.. successor invokes keeping direction, values..;) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss,
yes, you are very right. I thought about that after writing it too. I
just meant, why not use that to get a little more attention maybe. |
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| _Chris_ | I
mean successor is atm what is written on the website too. I just have
no Kong at this PC atm, otherwise I could take a quick look. Too sad :-P |
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| pitriss | yep i get yor point and I agree that some more advertise shouldnt harm:) |
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| _Chris_ | *konq |
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| _Chris_ | I am using hexchat actually still. If you start it, with default config you join the hexchat channel. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
i know what you are trying to say.. but at konversation its not so easy
as it have no default configuration, so it can't connect here.. :) But
if it would be possible, maybe trinity should have channel for chit-chat
and for technical things:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss,
actually I talked about Kopete, which you can use for IRC too, I never
tested Konversation. But I will take a look at it. But otherwise... the
hexchat channel is getting a lot of trolls and spam. I am still in this
channel too... |
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| _Chris_ | But changing the quit message don't harm, I think too. |
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| _Chris_ | BTW: Konversations than too. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
I will change my habit of tabs with konqueror and using the bookmarks
finaly. Someone should create some browser like "Tabulator". :P |
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| _Chris_ | Tomorrow I will test to compile TDE on another amd64 machine. If that works too, it has to be a arch specific problem. |
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| GeorgeCh | Hey,
I got a problem with amarokcollectionscanner, only works with -r
option, not -i or -s. Also when I try to update the collection from
Amarok it hangs |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | I am looking for m.manley |
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| sacarde | is here? |
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| _Chris_ | sacarde, I don't know and have seen the person you are searching for. I am sorry. |
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| sacarde | ok |
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| Adhil | I'm
running PCLinuxOS Release 4.6.6-pclos1 with Trinity Desktop R14.0.4. I
am attempting to have my Dell Latitude D630 touchpad vertical edge
scrolling enabled; I have checked my 50-synaptics.conf file and found
the appropriate setting seemingly enabled:
Option "VertEdgeScroll" "1" |
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| Adhil | Please advice on how to get Vertical Edge scrolling functional in TDE |
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| Adhil | Bonjour? |
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| Adhil | Hello? |
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| Adhil | Hola? |
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| Adhil | Hello World. |
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| Adhil | Well |
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| Adhil | Anyone who does read this |
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| Adhil | Email me an answer at polyologist@null.net if anybody can shed some light on the matter. |
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| Adhil | I really don't wish to abandon TDE so soon |
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| Adhil | But if I don't get this working |
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| Adhil | Its two strikes |
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| Adhil | The
other being hardware volume control buttons not working fully (they
both show a response only under HDA Intel in Kmixer, but it can only
change the volume +/-5% and is limited to only one graduation). Anyone
who can lend a hand |
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| Adhil | Please do |
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| Adhil | Thank you! |
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| SlavekB | GeorgeCh:
I tested the update of collection on three different machines (R14.0.4
amd64, R14.0.4 i386, 3.5.132 amd64) and I was not able to reproduce your
problem. |
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| GeorgeCh | Hello thanks for your answer. I have also send it to mailing list |
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| GeorgeCh | I am not using full trinity desktop, only amarok and krusader with their dependancies in debian sid |
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| GeorgeCh | Please tell me which file the amarokcollectionscanner reads in order to start the update for the last scanned file from -r |
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| GeorgeCh | george@home:~$ amarokcollectionscanner -i /media/Music |
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| GeorgeCh | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?><scanner><folder path="/media/Music/" /> |
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| GeorgeCh | </scanner> |
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| GeorgeCh | Debian Sid with x86_64 Linux 4.8.0-1-amd64 |
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| GeorgeCh | amarok-trinity 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a |
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| GeorgeCh | Also libr0 holds back binutils cpp g++ gcc and the relative libraries |
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| GeorgeCh | *In
order to work amarokcollectionscanner from inside Amarok it requires a
soft link: ln -s /opt/trinity/bin/amarokcollectionscanner
/usr/bin/amarokcollectionscanner |
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| SlavekB | Oh, yeah, libr0 requires a very specific version of binutils and maintained in accordance with the binutils in testing. |
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| GeorgeCh | Maybe a version for sid to be considered? (After all its the most stable nickname in the most "unstable" version in Debian) :) |
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| SlavekB | when running with option -i amarokcollectionscanner hangs? |
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| GeorgeCh | From terminal no. It gives the reply above: |
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| GeorgeCh | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?><scanner><folder path="/media/Music/" /> |
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| GeorgeCh | </scanner> |
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| GeorgeCh | And
also with -s option. With -r option it runs OK. Within amarok, the
update library option hangs all the amarok (working on about 50% of the
cpu forever). If you need I can send you a screenshot from relative
conky |
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| SlavekB | It seems to be the usual output. |
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| GeorgeCh | Well it does not update the collection though |
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| GeorgeCh | Maybe I need a symlink to the file it reads in order to start the scan from the last read file from -r? |
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| GeorgeCh | In ~/.trinity/share/apps/amarok collection_scan.files are 0B and no collection_log |
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| GeorgeCh | While I run with -i |
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| GeorgeCh | If I use rescan (-r) all OK |
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| GeorgeCh | PS: From amarok full rescan works OK |
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| GeorgeCh | Can i use debug options in terminal with amarokcollectionscanner? |
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| SlavekB | If you run a scan of Amarok and this will consume CPU is to see what process is consuming CPU - for example in htop? |
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| GeorgeCh | Yeap, amarok not amarokcollectionscanner as it should be. An as it is with full rescan |
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| GeorgeCh | For example: |
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| GeorgeCh | Lets say all the Music collection is in /media/Music (using mysql server in local network) |
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| GeorgeCh | When I give full rescan from Amarok |
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| GeorgeCh | The process for collection running is: amarokcollectionscanner --nocrashhandler -p -s /media/Music |
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| GeorgeCh | When I give update collection from Amarok |
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| GeorgeCh | amarokapp (not amarokcollectionscanner which does not seem to start) hangs in about 50% of CPU |
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| SlavekB | and amarokcollectionscanner process is not running? |
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| GeorgeCh | Maybe the problem lies in the file amarokcollectionscanner tries to read to see the last scanned file from full rescan |
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| GeorgeCh | Or it runs immediately conduming very little resources only to give the above output and it ends before shows in htop |
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| GeorgeCh | Sorry man |
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| GeorgeCh | My mistake above |
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| GeorgeCh | When I give full rescan from Amarok |
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| GeorgeCh | The process for collection running is: amarokcollectionscanner --nocrashhandler -p -r /media/Music |
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| SlavekB | this make sense |
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| GeorgeCh | Yeap :) |
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| GeorgeCh | But nothing with update |
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| GeorgeCh | In which file amarokcollectionscanner -i is pointed? |
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| SlavekB | when amarokapp hangs, can you use gdb to see, what is going? |
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| GeorgeCh | How? |
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| SlavekB | before using gdb is a good idea to install package amarok-trinity-dbg |
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| SlavekB | then you can use: gdb -p $(pgrep amarokapp) |
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| GeorgeCh | Yes, already got it. 4:14.0.4-0debian9.0.0+0~a |
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| GeorgeCh | gdb -p $(pgrep /opt/trinity/bin/amarokapp) |
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| GeorgeCh | gdb: option '--p' requires an argument |
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| SlavekB | simple 'amarokapp' is sufficient => pgrep search for process name. |
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| SlavekB | process name is without path. |
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| SlavekB | you can test: pgrep amarokapp |
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| GeorgeCh | OK |
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| GeorgeCh | ps aux | grep amarokapp |
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| GeorgeCh | george
27448 28.0 2.4 1037176 98816
? Sl 19:14
0:01 /opt/trinity/bin/amarokapp |
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| GeorgeCh | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1" |
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| SlavekB | "pgrep amarokapp" should return only pid of process |
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| GeorgeCh | 0x00007fb1b3eba56d in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:84 |
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| GeorgeCh | 84../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S: No such file or directory. |
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| SlavekB | once the running gdb, type: bt |
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| GeorgeCh | OK |
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| SlavekB | It should generate a list of currently running functions. |
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| GeorgeCh | How can I attach a screenshot of terminal output (some lines) |
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| SlavekB | output from gdb you can take as plain text. |
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| GeorgeCh | The last line is: |
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| GeorgeCh | #53 0x000000000040144d in main (argc=1, argv=0x7ffc10684068) at ././amarok/src/main.cpp:116 |
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| GeorgeCh | (gdb) bt |
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| GeorgeCh | #0 0x00007fb1b3eba56d in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:84 |
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| GeorgeCh | #1 0x00007fb1b78219f6 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #2 0x00007fb1b7821b0c in g_main_context_iteration () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #3 0x00007fb1b884132b
in TQEventLoop::processEvents (this=0xc08730, flags=<optimized
out>) at kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:279 |
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| GeorgeCh | #4 0x00007fb1b886ef5f
in TQEventLoop::processEvents (this=0xc08730, flags=flags@entry=0,
maxTime=maxTime@entry=3000) at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:288 |
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| GeorgeCh | #5 0x00007fb1b885d9e5
in TQApplication::processEvents (this=<optimized out>,
maxtime=maxtime@entry=3000) at kernel/qapplication.cpp:2949 |
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| GeorgeCh | #6 0x00007fb1b885d9fa in TQApplication::processEvents (this=<optimized out>) at kernel/qapplication.cpp:2933 |
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| GeorgeCh | #7 0x00007fb1b92c5023
in ScanController::initIncremental (this=this@entry=0x1704ff0) at
././amarok/src/scancontroller.cpp:216 |
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| GeorgeCh | #8 0x00007fb1b92c5a2e
in ScanController::ScanController (this=0x1704ff0, parent=<optimized
out>, incremental=<optimized out>, folders=...) at
././amarok/src/scancontroller.cpp:91 |
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| GeorgeCh | #9 0x00007fb1b91599e0
in CollectionDB::scanModifiedDirs (this=0x7fb1b9658ee0
<CollectionDB::instance()::db>) at
././amarok/src/collectiondb.cpp:5802 |
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| GeorgeCh | #10
0x00007fb1b91833c0 in CollectionDB::tqt_invoke (this=0x7fb1b9658ee0
<CollectionDB::instance()::db>, _id=7, _o=0x7ffc106829a0) at
./collectiondb.moc:560 |
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| GeorgeCh | #11
0x00007fb1b88a9c09 in TQObject::activate_signal (this=0xd90210,
clist=<optimized out>, o=o@entry=0x7ffc106829a0) at
kernel/qobject.cpp:2813 |
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| SlavekB | Please, stop :) |
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| GeorgeCh | #12
0x00007fb1b88a9d48 in TQObject::activate_signal (this=<optimized
out>, signal=<optimized out>) at kernel/qobject.cpp:2747 |
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| GeorgeCh | #13 0x00007fb1b9816ed7 in TDEAction::slotPopupActivated (this=this@entry=0xd90210) at ./tdeui/tdeaction.cpp:1153 |
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| GeorgeCh | #14
0x00007fb1b9818bc0 in TDEAction::tqt_invoke (this=0xd90210, _id=16,
_o=0x7ffc10682ad0) at ./obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/tdeui/tdeaction.moc:229 |
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| GeorgeCh | #15
0x00007fb1b88a9c09 in TQObject::activate_signal
(this=this@entry=0xfa76d0, clist=clist@entry=0xfa7980,
o=o@entry=0x7ffc10682ad0) at kernel/qobject.cpp:2813 |
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| GeorgeCh | #16 0x00007fb1b8b301fe in TQSignal::signal (this=this@entry=0xfa76d0, t0=...) at .moc/release-shared-mt/moc_ntqsignal.cpp:110 |
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| GeorgeCh | #17 0x00007fb1b88bd800 in TQSignal::activate (this=0xfa76d0) at kernel/qsignal.cpp:215 |
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| GeorgeCh | #18
0x00007fb1b897520a in TQPopupMenu::mouseReleaseEvent
(this=0x7fb1b9657980 <Amarok::Menu::instance()::menu>,
e=<optimized out>) at widgets/qpopupmenu.cpp:1740 |
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| GeorgeCh | #19
0x00007fb1b88d6df8 in TQWidget::event (this=0x7fb1b9657980
<Amarok::Menu::instance()::menu>, e=0x7ffc10682e50) at
kernel/qwidget.cpp:4746 |
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| GeorgeCh | #20
0x00007fb1b885ce5f in TQApplication::internalNotify (this=<optimized
out>, receiver=0x7fb1b9657980
<Amarok::Menu::instance()::menu>, e=0x7ffc10682e50) at
kernel/qapplication.cpp:2883 |
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| GeorgeCh | #21
0x00007fb1b885d2d7 in TQApplication::notify
(this=this@entry=0x7ffc10683d70, receiver=receiver@entry=0x7fb1b9657980
<Amarok::Menu::instance()::menu>, e=e@entry=0x7ffc10682e50) |
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| SlavekB | Please, fill a bug report and a list from gdb attach to this bug report. |
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| GeorgeCh | at kernel/qapplication.cpp:2624 |
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| GeorgeCh | #22
0x00007fb1b4b04cc5 in TDEApplication::notify (this=0x7ffc10683d70,
receiver=0x7fb1b9657980 <Amarok::Menu::instance()::menu>,
event=0x7ffc10682e50) at ./tdecore/tdeapplication.cpp:660 |
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| GeorgeCh | #23
0x00007fb1b880e320 in TQETWidget::translateMouseEvent
(this=this@entry=0x7fb1b9657980 <Amarok::Menu::instance()::menu>,
event=event@entry=0x7ffc10683100) at kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:4349 |
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| GeorgeCh | #24
0x00007fb1b880daec in TQApplication::x11ProcessEvent
(this=0x7ffc10683d70, event=event@entry=0x7ffc10683100) at
kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:3584 |
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| GeorgeCh | #25 0x00007fb1b884147e in TQEventLoop::processX11Events (this=this@entry=0xc08730) at kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:353 |
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| GeorgeCh | #26
0x00007fb1b8841d1a in TQEventLoop::gsourceDispatch
(this=this@entry=0xc08730, gs=gs@entry=0xc0a220) at
kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:614 |
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| GeorgeCh | #27
0x00007fb1b8841e13 in qt_gsource_dispatch (source=0xc0a220,
callback=<optimized out>, user_data=<optimized out>) at
kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:123 |
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| SlavekB | GeorgeCh: Please, fill a bug report and a list from gdb attach to this bug report :) |
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| GeorgeCh | #28 0x00007fb1b78217f7 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #29 0x00007fb1b7821a60 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #30 0x00007fb1b7821b0c in g_main_context_iteration () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #31
0x00007fb1b884132b in TQEventLoop::processEvents (this=0xc08730,
flags=<optimized out>) at kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:279 |
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| GeorgeCh | #32 0x00007fb1b886ee61 in TQEventLoop::enterLoop (this=0xc08730) at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:227 |
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| GeorgeCh | #33
0x00007fb1b8979668 in TQPopupMenu::exec (this=0x7fb1b9657980
<Amarok::Menu::instance()::menu>, pos=...,
indexAtPoint=indexAtPoint@entry=-1) at widgets/qpopupmenu.cpp:2495 |
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| GeorgeCh | #34 0x00007fb1b8998312 in TQToolButton::popupTimerDone (this=this@entry=0xf8fab0) at widgets/qtoolbutton.cpp:953 |
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| GeorgeCh | #35 0x00007fb1b8998687 in TQToolButton::openPopup (this=this@entry=0xf8fab0) at widgets/qtoolbutton.cpp:892 |
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| GeorgeCh | #36 0x00007fb1b89998bd in TQToolButton::mousePressEvent (this=0xf8fab0, e=0x7ffc106837c0) at widgets/qtoolbutton.cpp:596 |
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| GeorgeCh | #37
0x00007fb1b98ad2df in TDEToolBarButton::mousePressEvent
(this=<optimized out>, e=<optimized out>) at
./tdeui/tdetoolbarbutton.cpp:465 |
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| GeorgeCh | #38 0x00007fb1b88d6e18 in TQWidget::event (this=0xf8fab0, e=0x7ffc106837c0) at kernel/qwidget.cpp:4740 |
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| GeorgeCh | #39
0x00007fb1b885ce5f in TQApplication::internalNotify (this=<optimized
out>, receiver=0xf8fab0, e=0x7ffc106837c0) at
kernel/qapplication.cpp:2883 |
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| GeorgeCh | #40
0x00007fb1b885d2d7 in TQApplication::notify
(this=this@entry=0x7ffc10683d70, receiver=receiver@entry=0xf8fab0,
e=e@entry=0x7ffc106837c0) at kernel/qapplication.cpp:2624 |
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| GeorgeCh | #41
0x00007fb1b4b04cc5 in TDEApplication::notify (this=0x7ffc10683d70,
receiver=0xf8fab0, event=0x7ffc106837c0) at
./tdecore/tdeapplication.cpp:660 |
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| GeorgeCh | #42
0x00007fb1b880e46a in TQETWidget::translateMouseEvent
(this=this@entry=0xf8fab0, event=event@entry=0x7ffc10683aa0) at
kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:4407 |
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| GeorgeCh | #43
0x00007fb1b880daec in TQApplication::x11ProcessEvent
(this=0x7ffc10683d70, event=event@entry=0x7ffc10683aa0) at
kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp:3584 |
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| GeorgeCh | #44 0x00007fb1b884147e in TQEventLoop::processX11Events (this=this@entry=0xc08730) at kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:353 |
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| GeorgeCh | #45
0x00007fb1b8841d1a in TQEventLoop::gsourceDispatch
(this=this@entry=0xc08730, gs=gs@entry=0xc0a220) at
kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:614 |
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| GeorgeCh | #46
0x00007fb1b8841e13 in qt_gsource_dispatch (source=0xc0a220,
callback=<optimized out>, user_data=<optimized out>) at
kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:123 |
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| GeorgeCh | #47 0x00007fb1b78217f7 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #48 0x00007fb1b7821a60 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #49 0x00007fb1b7821b0c in g_main_context_iteration () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
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| GeorgeCh | #50
0x00007fb1b884132b in TQEventLoop::processEvents (this=0xc08730,
flags=<optimized out>) at kernel/qeventloop_x11_glib.cpp:279 |
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| GeorgeCh | #51 0x00007fb1b886ee61 in TQEventLoop::enterLoop (this=0xc08730) at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:227 |
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| GeorgeCh | #52 0x00007fb1b886edf9 in TQEventLoop::exec (this=0xc08730) at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:174 |
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| GeorgeCh | #53 0x000000000040144d in main (argc=1, argv=0x7ffc10684068) at ././amarok/src/main.cpp:116 |
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| GeorgeCh | (gdb) |
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| GeorgeCh | All the output after bt |
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| GeorgeCh | OK man, thank you !!! |
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| SlavekB | you can also try in gdb list: thread apply all bt |
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| SlavekB | This should generate a listing for all threads. |
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| GeorgeCh | Thank U for your time SlavekB, will do so !!! |
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| SlavekB | Anyway, I'm afraid that maintain the Trinity Preliminary Stable Builds repository for SID would require too much effort. |
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| GeorgeCh | Well,
in my opinion instead changing the nickname of the repo as per debian
releases (stretch, etc) maybe it would be a good idea to concetrate in
one repo with sid. It is well known that sid in Debian means Rock
Solid!!! While testing and more the stable releases are a bit old. So I
would think you will have no problem keep up with the release,
considering for example that arch for example have newer packages than
sid (maybe the |
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| GeorgeCh | relative packages as experimental in debian). Give it a thought |
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| pitriss | hehe not so rock solid like stable debian (or oldstable LTS in my case) :)) |
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| _Chris_ | They are all still reading. :) |
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| GeorgeCh | Well,
for everyday use I think it is the preferable release. For headless
servers in remote locations I would agree in stable (not oldstable) |
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| SlavekB | I'm also on most machines on Wheezy ;) |
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| GeorgeCh | Well,
I think for my everyday PC is a bit too old. Some times, even sid has
hold back in packages, and thinking of experimental :) |
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| pitriss | GeorgeCh:
trust me, for normal daily use wheezy is just ok:) and with no
additional surprises from systemd that seems can produce many sleeples
nights..:) |
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| pitriss | there is not much apps I needed to compile myself.. Minetest and mpd with sid support..:) |
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| pitriss | kernel from backports, and rest is just wheezy:) |
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| GeorgeCh | Just
dist-upgrade and reading the suggestions from aptitude I had no ugly
surprise in years. If I had some conflicts (like libr0) :) just hold
back the relative packages and wait. Everything is OK and I don't envy
other releases with newer packages :) |
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| GeorgeCh | Like maybe the archers |
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| GeorgeCh | :) |
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| SlavekB | Although all could be ok, systemd is often the source of bad temper ;) |
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| pitriss | GeorgeCh:
dist-upgrade dont save you from systemd log crashes and rest of its
failures.. This piece of sw has forbidden access to my pc:) |
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| GeorgeCh | Agree SlavekB. Well, I am OK with sid. No problem at all and all the new packages in reasonable time from their initial release |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
systemd is broken by design.. at least in linux/unix world.. it should
do one thing and do it well.. But it does many thing and its not perfect
even as init..:) |
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| SlavekB | GeorgeCh:
I have to think about it. I must examine whether reprepro can be
helpful in maintaining the repository with Stretch and Sid side by side. |
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| GeorgeCh | OK.
Would be great. Thank U for all your efforts. Amarok 1.4 is one way in
linux music players and collections db. Maybe if someday gmusicbrowser
will support external db's or even ampache... |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB,
I tested to compile libkonq now at the fifth computer.... The result
is... It compiles fine. Only difference again: It's 64bit arch. Now we
have 2 PCs on which libkonq compiles, which are both 64bit and 4 PCs on
which libkonq doesn't compile, which are all four 32bit. Any ideas here? |
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| a-865 | Is there a Linux installation DVD available anywhere that includes TDE? |
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| a-865 | or CD? |
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| pitriss | a-865: exegnu should be live system with trinity |
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| a-865 | pitriss: thx :-) |
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| SlavekB | a-865: see https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/LiveCDs |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | building tde-dbus-1-tqt 14.0.4 I have an error |
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| sacarde | R14.0.4/tde-dbus-1-tqt/src/dependencies/dbus-1-tqt/tqdbusunixfd.h:29:23: fatal error: ntqshared.h: No such file or directory |
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| sacarde | where can I found ntqshared.h ? |
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| Adhil | There
is no touchpad settings available for TDE as far as I know. I am
interested in TDE's future, but for the moment, it lacks the polish MATE
has. I'll wait |
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| SlavekB | sacarde: ntqshared.h comes from tqt3. |
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| sacarde | but I have that package and that file |
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| sacarde | may be a problem in PKGBUILD of that package |
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| sacarde | (in archlinux) |
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| sacarde | I ask to mantainer TDE64bit |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB,
have seen what I wrote about my problem and 32bit/64bit? I have still
no clue what's problem. But so far, it works only under 64bit machines
to build. All 32bit machines so far -> segfaulting while compiling
the includes. I am using mostly no special instructions like SSE3 and so
on this 64bit machines, because I use march=native for GCC there. Might
be an problem of wrong CPU instructions which are used. But so far, I |
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| Chris__ | checked
again, all are supported of my CPUs. Just my P4 machine was using
PNI(SSE3) instruction which is not supported because of a mistake. But
there is no difference so far. |
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| _Chris_ | I
am recompiling my kernel now with arch=native. I know, maybe this is
not related to getting this segfaults, but... Let's give it a try. |
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| _Chris_ | *march |
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| Chris__ | sacarde, yes. I got it. TDE compiles now. |
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| Chris__ | In short. It was the fault of the binutils. |
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| sacarde | ah |
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| Chris__ | sacarde,
this was a problem I was searching for the reason for nearly 2 weeks or
so. TDE only compiled on 64bit machines, here under Gentoo. It was not
finding a lot of includes on this machines and was segfaulting instead. |
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| Chris__ | I am now using binutils a newer binutils version on this machines and... it works. At least on one actually. |
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| Chris__ | :-) |
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| Chris__ | But, the same version of binutils is working on this 64bit machines perfectly. So this still seems to be strange. |
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| Chris__ | I
am now using binutils 2.27.x and before I was using 2.25.1. I
recompiled and updated the binutils version, but Gentoo was using the
older version of it still. So this could been done a week ago or so. |
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| Chris__ | I have taken a deeper look at /etc/env.de/binutils/ to come to this conclusion. |
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| Chris__ | I
re-tested this on my P4 machine and it was not sufficent to simply
re-choose the binutils version of 2.25.1. So it seems to be something in
this specific binutils version, but only under 32bit and maybe only
under Gentoo. |
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| Chris__ | And,
for some reason at least with TDE, because I had no failures of
compiling in any other packages. Maybe it's up to this specific includes
with fails to test-compile under this specific binutils version, under
32bit, under Gentoo. Strange. |
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| Chris__ | Just to report: The P4 machine is compiling without any problems TDE at now also, but binutils 2.27 was needed to use. |
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| Chris__ | Sadly
the maintainer of the overlay which I used seems not to answer to my
emails. A simple depend on binutils depend in the ebuilds of binutils
2.27, at least for 32bit arch seems to be sufficent to let Gentoo users
have fun with TDE. This is possible with Gentoo. |
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| Adhil | Dell
Latitude D630: Volume buttons are recognized but cannot adjust. The
Mute button works, but the icon in the taskbar/bottom panel/system tray
has a delayed response. Just thought I'd share some nuissances. This is
the most convenient way for me to share issues or make requests
regarding Trinity. I hope that's acceptable. |
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| Adhil | Trinity Desktop R14.0.4 on PCLinuxOS |
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| __Chris | I
am creating an Amarok ebuild for Gentoo now. If the maintainer of the
overlay will not reply, would it be possible, to host this Gentoo
overlay at the trinity servers? |
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| __Chris | And
another question in regards to versions: Is there any concept to the
release numbers? I mean such packages like Kopete, or Amarok, they had
in KDE3 their own numbers, like 1.1 or 0.12.x or something like that. Is
it now managed to fit them to release number of TDE itself, like Kopete
14.0.5 and such? |
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| __Chris | I have taglib installed, with mp4 support. Version 1.9, any ideas? |
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| __Chris | "/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.3/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -ltagmp4-static" |
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| __Chris | But: -- Checking for one of the modules 'taglib' does not fail. |
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| _Chris_ | TQSettings::sync: failed to open '/usr/tqt3/etc/settings/tqt_plugins_3.5rc.tmp' for writing |
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| _Chris_ | I
am getting this while compiling tqt and other packages, but they
compile fine. It seems I have not seen this message before. But now,
because of a recompile I noticed it. Any hint? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I recompiled tdescreensaver and the tdeartwork-tdescreensaver package
with xscreensaver support, which I had installed and used before
switching to TDE. While compiling, the xscreensavers are found and
listed and I can run them with "kxsrun moebius" for example, but I can't
select them, nor they are listed in the screensaver settings page. I
only have the default ones. What could be the proble there? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: Sorry, these days I'm pretty busy. However, your information, I watch. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: No problem, thanks for letting me know :-) |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_: My best guess would be the screensaver definition files are not being installed or found |
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| kb9vqf | tdeartwork generates a list of all possible screensavers during compile |
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| kb9vqf | On Debian-based systems, these are installed into /opt/trinity/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/ |
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| kb9vqf | so, either they are not installed, or the tdecmshell module cannot find the correct applnk/System/ScreenSavers/ directory |
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| _Chris_ | Ah yes, they are there. |
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| _Chris_ | I think the second. |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/trinity/14/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers" |
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| _Chris_ | During compile they are listed, yes. So how can I change the path, so tdecmshell module can find them? |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_: What is your XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable set to? |
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| _Chris_ | One moment. |
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| _Chris_ | bash: /usr/trinity/14/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share |
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| _Chris_ | :Not found. |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_:
Hmmm, that *should* be correct then. Do you see files like
"epicycle.desktop" in
"/usr/trinity/14/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers"? |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf: Yes, moebius.desktop for example. |
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| kb9vqf | can you pastebin the contents of that file? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | Done: https://paste.debian.net/899685/ |
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| kb9vqf | hmmm....that's odd, nothing wrong in the desktop file. Any messages when you run "tdecmshell screensaver"? |
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| _Chris_ | I looked into that too, and searched for possible reasons, but nothing. |
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| _Chris_ | Nothing. |
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| _Chris_ | I also can run these xscreensavers with ksxrun moebius for example. |
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| _Chris_ | They are simply not listed. I also did a re-login, but nothing. |
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| kb9vqf | I'm trying to remember if this is tied in to TDE's data cache or not |
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| kb9vqf | let's try this for fun...run "tdebuildsycoca --noincremental" and see if the screensavers show up after that |
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| _Chris_ | No. |
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| _Chris_ | I
searched the web for a solution with KDE 3 etc. but found not much. One
reason was a bad entry for xscreensaver in the *.desktop files, but
that was not the case here. |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf:
I also rebuild all my packages with ARTS-Support. If I test the
sound-system, it works, I hear the login sound. But in the dialog for
selection of specific sounds for events, like logout etc. I can't get
any output if I click "Test this sound". Maybe it's related. I am happy
that I got TDE working with Gentoo so far. |
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| kb9vqf | can you pastebin the output of "strace tdecmshell.real screensaver" for me? |
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| _Chris_ | Just one moment, I have to compile strace first on this machine. |
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| _Chris_ | strace: Can't stat 'tdecmshell.real': No such file or directory |
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| _Chris_ | I
did now: "strace tdecmshell screensaver" and noticed:
"access("/usr/trinity/14/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/xdg-user-dirs.mo",
R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" in it. |
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| _Chris_ | No, wrong line. |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf: So I only have tdecmshell, tdecmshell.real is no valid command here. |
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| kb9vqf | ah, right, tdecmshell.real is a Debian-ism |
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| kb9vqf | use tdecmshell instead |
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| _Chris_ | Paste is too large for debian paste service it seems, but I will paste you some part, which is maybe important. |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf: https://paste.debian.net/899697/ |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_: Yep, that's important! Where are the bin files located on your system? |
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| kb9vqf | e.g. "whereis moebius" |
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| kb9vqf | also can you pastebin your "env" output (only intersted in paths, you can sanitze the rest) |
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| _Chris_ | I thought that you ask for that :-) |
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| _Chris_ | One moment. |
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| _Chris_ | I
think that's some Gentoo specific problems, I think the xscreensavers
are under some specific path in Gentoo. Just let me some minutes. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/lib/misc/xscreensaver/moebius" -> for example. |
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| _Chris_ | I never was digging into that xscreensaver thing more specific. |
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| _Chris_ | Adding this path to my path vars -> It's working now, all screensavers are listed now. |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf:
Thanks for your help. So I think an enviroment file for xscreensaver
would be sufficent to make it work out of the box. Maybe that's
something for the xscreensaver ebuild in Gentoo, I can file a bug there,
but I don't think the Gentoo devs will care about, but I could add this
file if someone builds the specific tdeartwork package from the
overlay. |
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| kb9vqf | No problem glad you got it working |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf:
I will take a further look at the ARTS problem, if I don't find the
problem there, it would be very nice to get your support again if you
have some spare time then again. |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_: Do you use pulseaudio or ALSA? |
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| kb9vqf | anyway, if you have audio on startup I'd be inclined to think path problem (again) |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf: I use ALSA. |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf: I get sound, if I test it in the dialog of the sound system. |
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| _Chris_ | The button where you hear the login sound. |
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| _Chris_ | What is the module name of the sound-selection? |
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| kb9vqf | _Chris_: Try "tdecmshell --list" to get all module |
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| kb9vqf | *modules |
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| kb9vqf | from that list, "tdecmshell sound" looks like a good candidate |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I tested "sounds", bad luck ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf: I only get a blank window, with "No informations about your soundcard." |
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| _Chris_ | But I will take a look at the --list param, thanks for the hint. |
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| kb9vqf | anyway, when you find it, run strace on it and click the sound you want to test |
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| kb9vqf | strace should spit out some useful information |
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| _Chris_ | For all, which are reading the log in some future: It is: kcmnotify |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: you find for tdecmshell kcmnotify ? |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf: Yes, that was the thing I was thinking to do too. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Right ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Do I need arts in general, to get system sounds? |
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| _Chris_ | lstat64("/usr/trinity/14/share/sounds/KDE_Logout.wav", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=132744, ...}) = 0 |
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| _Chris_ | access("/usr/trinity/14/share/sounds/KDE_Logout.wav", R_OK) = 0 |
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| SlavekB | you can try: artsplay /usr/trinity/14/share/sounds/KDE_Logout.wav |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is working SlavekB. |
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| SlavekB | And test for sound from kcmnotify not work? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, and I don't get any sounds while using TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | But the sounds are set as I see it. |
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| SlavekB | I think it may be related to a bug 2713. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2713 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Magic file type detection not working with recent versions of file |
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| _Chris_ | I am AFK now for 20 minutes or so now. |
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| SlavekB | If audio files are not recognized correctly, KNotify is silent. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah yes, I am using file 5.25 too. |
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| _Chris_ | So a "<=sys-apps/file-5.22" depend in the Gentoo overlay should be a good workaround till this is fixed. I will test that. |
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| _Chris_ | Now I use file 5.22, but no change. |
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| Guest33363 | Hi, can i ask a few questions about the screen saver, and hopefully get some answers? :) |
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| Guest33363 | I've
looked all over (settings and google) for how to set Trinity to just
stop displaying after some time out, i.e. let the displays go into power
saving mode but no screen lock; how can i do that? |
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| Guest33363 | right
now, it wants to keep the screens active but just go "black" (screen
saver is set to "blank"), but "active black" is not what i want |
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| _Chris_ | Hello Guest33363, so you want to have DPMS state? You mean simply deactivate the screen? |
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| _Chris_ | Guest33363: You maybe want to take a look at display settings -> energy control. |
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| Guest33363 | ok, finally found that again. i've turned it on and i'll test to see what happens |
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| Guest33363 | related
to all of this, when i come back to my computer, i have 2 screen
lockers going. the first looks generic, the 2nd is from
Trinity. how do i turn both of those off? there
must be some magic combination i haven't found yet :) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, two screen lockers? :-) You mean like gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver? |
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| Guest33363 | hard to say what the first 1 is, it sorta reminds me of the old xscreen saver from long ago |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, maybe some screensaver daemon is started and is running in the background? Some entrys in .xinitrc in your home dir? |
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| Guest33363 | on desktop settings, i do have "screen save" set to start after 120 min, let me try turning that off |
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| _Chris_ | Are you using a CRT, or TFT? |
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| Guest33363 | 2 flat panels |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I asked because your statement, you don't want "active black". |
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| _Chris_ | So
you simply want to get ride of the first screensaver and want to
deactivate the panel after some time (also backlight), right? |
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| Guest33363 | yes,
what was happening was that (i think) a screen saver was kicking in and
turning the screen black, but it was still lit (active black), when i
want the panels to go into standby (or whatever it's called) |
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| Guest33363 | yes, i want the backlight to go off |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know good. Otherwise your bulbs in it will die faster. |
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| Guest33363 | yes :) |
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| Guest33363 | this
wasn't hard in kde4, then i upgraded to ubuntu 1604 and got kde5 and
blech! (IMO) i had good memories of kde3 hence me coming back here :) |
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| _Chris_ | I had some panels, which know that good. But you can replace them, just as a tip. Not as difficult. ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes. I know what you mean. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly you should not have mutiple screensaver running. Is KDE4 still installed? |
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| Guest33363 | it's
sitting in another partition, but it shouldn't be running; i have 2
disk partitions for root so when i move to a new release i clean install
to the "other partition"; in fact i usually don't even mount the last
root |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
I see. Maybe you can try something like "killall xscreensaver", in
Konsole, and look if this kills the first screensaver daemon. |
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| Guest33363 | hmm, a ps shows me light-locker & kdesktop_lock |
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| Guest33363 | is that the source of my issues? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, seems to be. |
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| _Chris_ | Light-Locker seems to be a locker of lightdm. But with trinity you are using TDM, right? |
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| Guest33363 | so, who controls those or causes them to run? i'm not familiar with either |
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| Guest33363 | ah, then light-locker is prob the "generic" looking 1 that i see first |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
to be honest, I am not into this Ubuntu/Wayland/Lightdm things anymore.
But try to kill it to verify that it's the cause. But I think so. |
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| Guest33363 | i think i would be using TDM, wouldn't that be set up manually? (yeah, i really don't know) |
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| Guest33363 | or maybe google to see how to turn it off |
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| Guest33363 | sorry, wouldn't TDM be setup normally? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, TDM is the old KDM, it's. It's not (K)Ubuntus default displaymanager for login. |
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| _Chris_ | I will take a look. |
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| _Chris_ | Try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm". There should be some selection I think. |
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| Guest33363 | i did just find a ~/.config/kscreenlockerrc file; it has Autulock=false, so that sounds good |
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| _Chris_ | But that's for the second locker, but you want to get ride of the first, right? |
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| Guest33363 | i want to get rid of both :) this is my home machine |
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| _Chris_ | Ah. Okay. |
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| _Chris_ | You can "sudo apt-get remove light-locker" in theory. |
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| Guest33363 | sure, why not, what have i got to lose? ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly you should have an option in the screensaver settings of TDE to deactivate looking of the screen. |
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| _Chris_ | Simply
deactivate screensaver, lock (should be at the same config page) and
then use the "energy control" settings for the panel. And get ride of
lightdm-locker. |
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| Guest33363 | package gone and the system is still running :) |
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| _Chris_ | And maybe change to TDM for login. |
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| Guest33363 | i'll prob have to log out and back in for lightdm to refresh itself, or so i suspect |
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| _Chris_ | That
is possible, but normaly this should not be the case. A screenlocker
should not be such important. Therefore, maybe it's better to change to
TDM before. |
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| Guest33363 | you know that begs the question: how do i do that? :) |
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| Guest33363 | i've always felt pretty comfortable with all this stuff, except for the display managers -- ugh! |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I wrote before. Try this: |
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| _Chris_ | "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" |
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| _Chris_ | "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tdm" |
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| _Chris_ | One of this should give you some selection. |
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| Guest33363 | the first does, i can choose kdm or tdm-trinity from there; is 1 better? |
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| _Chris_ | That's a hard question. |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Try the second. |
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| Guest33363 | ah, 1 of those preference things |
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| _Chris_ | No, go for trinity. |
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| _Chris_ | tdm-trinity. |
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| Guest33363 | oh, right, what IRC am i in again? ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | TDE = Trinity |
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| Guest33363 | done, i'll definitely have to log out and back in again for that to take affect |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, give it a try. |
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| Guest33363 | askubuntu
also says "sudo mv /etc/xdg/autostart/light-locker.desktop
/etc/xdg/autostart/light-locker.desktop.bak" to get rid of the
system-wide config for it |
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| Guest33363 | can't hurt to do that "just because" :) |
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| _Chris_ | Sure. |
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| Guest33363 | ok, thanks so very much for your help!!! time to go kill the lightdm process |
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| Guest33363 | i'll try to come back and let you know how it goes |
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| _Chris_ | I think this step could have worked like removing light-docker. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, good luck. |
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| Guest33363 | btw, is it a known issue that https://trinitydesktop.org won't load in any browser? the cert is bad |
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| _Chris_ | Hm? Not that I know. What browser are you using? |
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| _Chris_ | I
get that in the konqueror, yes. But it's using a older version of KHTML
engine. So that can be, I simply skipe that messages. I am also using
palemoon and the page works as intended. |
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| Guest33363 | firefox, palemoon, chrome, it fails in them all |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. You can't get it to display? |
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| Guest33363 | no, cert error, i can get you the exact message if you want |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, why not. Maybe someone can take a look at it. |
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| Guest33363 | ugh! now it works and makes me a liar :( |
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| Guest33363 | never mind i guess; i be back in a bit |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=trinitydesktop.org -> Looks okay. |
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| Guest17439 | ok, i'm back (and with a new guest #) |
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| Guest17439 | FYI, it took a reboot to get rid of lightdm |
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| Guest17439 | i only have kdesktop_lock running, so i'll see how this goes |
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| _Chris_ | You got TDM? |
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| _Chris_ | The display manager. |
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| Guest17439 | yep, light blue screen and all saying "powered by trinity" |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | Welcome home :-) |
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| Guest17439 | haha, thanks! :) |
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| Guest17439 | now i clean my desk or something for about 10 minutes and see what happens...sigh, boring |
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| Guest17439 | yeah,
it worked exactly as i wanted! :) the panels went into power
saver mode and when i moved the mouse there were no locking dialogs |
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| Guest17439 | i really appreciate your help, Chris :-D |
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| _Chris_ | I am glad it helped you :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: How did you find trinity? |
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| Guest17439 | i
actually remember the announcement if it when the KDE team tried to
move everyone to kde4, the annoucement might have been on slashdot, but i
can't remember exactly |
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| Guest17439 | i was happy enough with kde4, even though i felt kde3 was better |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: Ah, yes I know. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, how is KDE5? |
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| Guest17439 | i think i did try it when it first came out and it was just rough enough i stuck with kde4 |
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| Guest17439 | kde5, hmm, how to be honest and yet nice :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| Guest17439 | i think they got most of the major bugs out of it so it works, i'll give them that |
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| Guest17439 | however, i find it to be ugly as sin (as the saying goes) |
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| Guest17439 | i really don't like the flat anti-skuemorphic (sp?) look |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, more flat design now, right? |
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| Guest17439 | yep |
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| _Chris_ | At least the icons as I saw. |
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| Guest17439 | i have trouble telling where UI elements begin and end with that look |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, me too... |
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| Guest17439 | it's also hard to tell what are labels, buttons, or whatever; so there is a definitely usability factor there -- at least for me |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: Do you know superkaramba? |
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| Guest17439 | nope, what is it? |
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| _Chris_ | Search for it -> Pictures. |
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| _Chris_ | You
can have a system monitor which looks really nice at the desktop.
Plasma of TDE. But for styles you have to search yourself. There is one
page trinity styles or so, there are some to download. |
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| Guest17439 | it must be in a separate package that i don't have loaded |
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| Guest17439 | installed |
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| _Chris_ | Search for it and install it if you want. |
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| _Chris_ | That was possible too back in KDE3 times. Back in the days it was very shiny. |
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| Guest17439 | haha, yes it shows the last release as of 2006 -- that's 10 years |
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| Guest17439 | if i knew how to do themes, it'd be tempting to do a kde5 theme to make stuff look like kde3 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that's the original version. Trinity project imported all, or most of
the old KDE3 programms in their latest version and is maintaining it in
their own git. Still fixing bugs, adding some features. Take a look at: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/ and https://trinitydesktop.org/applications.php |
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| Guest17439 | i looked for such a beast but never found anything that didn't make me turn away |
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| Guest17439 | ok, thanks for the pointers, finding new stuff can be fun |
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| _Chris_ | I meant styles/themes/designs for superkaramba. The system monitor. |
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| _Chris_ | So you have talent to create graphics? |
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| Guest17439 | never done it before, so probably not :) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay, I thought that, because you talked about doing themes. |
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| Guest17439 | i
just loaded up a CAD program for the first time today (librecad); it
was hard to use and all i was doing was creating a simple drawing for
the slab of my new workshop |
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| Guest17439 | the desire to create a theme was sort of in revenge for the ugly look of kde5 ;) |
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| _Chris_ | I see. I am not into CAD. |
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| Guest17439 | apparently i'm not either :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I understand know :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: What IRC client you are using? |
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| Guest17439 | i'm
to the point in life where i just want things to work and i have enough
choices in linux that if something is hard enough i move on to the next
contender |
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| Guest17439 | Konversation |
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| Guest17439 | it's the default app so i just went with it |
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| Guest17439 | i don't IRC much |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: Yes, I think that is a valid reason. |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: I use Konversation actually too. Kopete is also supporting IRC, but it's more a multi-chat like pidgin, if you know. |
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| Guest17439 | i've used pidgin, or used to; most of the people i used to talk to on it don't use it anymore |
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| Guest17439 | kopete is in the same camp for me |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: I used it back in the days. The good old days. |
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| Guest17439 | i used to use YIM too, but it's not supported on linux any more |
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| Guest17439 | we use jabber at work, it's OK |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: You mean their software? |
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| Guest17439 | yeah, yahoo instant messager |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439:
I think Kopete is supporting it too, but I am not sure if it works
actually (because of protocol changes or something like these). |
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| _Chris_ | Reminds
me on amsn. Was a messenger to create a free MSN client. They worked on
it 10 years or so. At the end MS decided to shutdown MSN... |
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| Guest17439 | i
think the tools that support multiple protocols are cool and i'm glad
they do that, but i'm just finding fewer reasons to use IM clients other
than at work :) i think a large part of it is because their
usage is on the decline |
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| _Chris_ | Guest17439: Possibly. Maybe it's just preference again. It's good to have a choice. |
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| Guest17439 | have a good evening/day -- thanks again! |
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| _Chris_ | cbbbb |
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| _Chris_ | dgdgdgg |
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| _Chris_ | dgdggggdfssdfdssd |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, this whas not intended. |
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| _Chris_ | I wanted to paste the following output, which is shown if I press the "test this sound"-button: " |
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| _Chris_ | TQGDict::hashKeyString: Invalid null key |
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| _Chris_ | TQGDict::hashKeyString: Invalid null key |
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| _Chris_ | tdecmshell: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Aufruf des Ein-/Ausgabemoduls nicht möglich. |
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| _Chris_ | tdelauncher meldet: Unbekanntes Protokoll "". |
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| _Chris_ | tdecmshell: |
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| _Chris_ | I
changed the output in kcmnotify (output options) module to "use a
external command to play a sound" and set it to "artsplay" and now the
sounds are to hear. Also they are working if using TDE, but if I change
it to the default "Use the TDE sound system", there is no sound. So
maybe it's again a path problem. I don't know what is the TDE sound
system, but I imagine, that should be artsplay? |
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| SlavekB | Use artsplay is "known workaround" when there is a problem with libmagic (file). |
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| _Chris_ | So
that is the problem here. I see. I am using the as "working" reported
file 5.22 version now. But that is making no difference. I will
investigate more into this. Thanks SlavekB. |
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| e1z0_ | heya |
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| e1z0_ | i've got some problems compiling tde-tdebindings on archlinux x64 |
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| e1z0_ | http://pastebin.com/Tx1wTq0d |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0_: Have you read this? |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity |
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| _Chris_ | Looks
like you are trying to compile it by hand. As I see from a quick watch,
it looks like there is a arch specific way. See the first note. |
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| _Chris_ | And it seems this repo is still updated. Latest commit is 2 weeks old. |
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| e1z0_ | yeah, i'm building by this guide https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity#Building_with_Michael.27s_PKGBUILD_files |
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| e1z0_ | should i've be using an binary packages that are already compiled? |
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| _Chris_ | It's up to you, I that's also an option. There is a repo for this too it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | But tqt3 build successfully right? |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/michael-manley/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD/issues/5 |
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| _Chris_ | I think that's related to your problem e1z0_ and you should get some background informations from it. |
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| e1z0_ | _Chris_, oh, thanks |
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| e1z0_ | will read |
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| e1z0_ | succeed, posted the solution on the github |
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| e1z0_ | seems that the jre on the system caused that problem |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0_: Interesting. Good that it works now :-) |
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| e1z0_ | yeah, but there is another problems that causing tdenetwork fail to build, not investigating |
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| e1z0_ | s/not/now/ |
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| e1z0_ | http://pastebin.com/RwyzCSTC |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0_: I have read that on github now. I have installed JRE too on my machines. |
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| e1z0_ | another build log |
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| e1z0_ | _Chris_, maybe you know about such kind of errors? |
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| e1z0_ | damn 5years passed, then i last worked with opensource software :-) |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0_: I am trying to help you, yes. Which GCC you are using? |
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| e1z0_ | 6.2.1 |
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| e1z0_ | i suppose it's the latest one |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0_: I am not sure, maybe it's GCC related. |
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| e1z0_ | i think i need to redefine my env variables |
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| e1z0_ | maybe if it detects debug environment then it stops with such errors |
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| e1z0_ | as i read on the source code |
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| _Chris_ | Give it a try. |
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| e1z0_ | https://github.com/e1z0/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD/blob/master/R14.0.4/tde-tdenetwork/kautoconfig.patch |
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| e1z0_ | done |
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| _Chris_ | I looked myself for the code the moment you wrote and yes, seems to be debug related. Okay, so you simply patched it away? |
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| e1z0_ | yeah |
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| e1z0_ | i think it's not necessary under release not the debug mode |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting
way to solve it. Maybe someone of the trinity devs can take deeper look
at it if they are reading this later. But you are building with debug
mode, right? |
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| SlavekB | e1z0_: patch seems as hack, rather than fix. |
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| e1z0_ | yeah, but it works :| |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0_: Because of your env variables, take a look at: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Performing_a_cmake_Build |
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| _Chris_ | In reference to the debug build I mean. |
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| e1z0_ | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | If I am right, you have debug build deactivated for autotols, but not for cmake packages and tdenetwork is a cmake package. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is there any way to open new windows centered at the screen? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: Yes, in Trinity Control Center / Desktop / Window Behaviour / Move / Placement. |
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| SlavekB | Naming may vary - I have it before me in Czech... :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah, very nice. Thanks. Yes, I think I will find it then. |
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| FlipBill | Does TDE support tabbed windows like KDE 4 does? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I found it. It's exactly what I searched for. Setting "centered" in English I think. |
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| pitriss | FlipBill: question is, what you mean by tabbed windows:D |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, that was it. Default arts sound output (without artsplay
workaround) is working now. It seems libkonq and tdelibs were still
lacking simply the arts support, after some recompile of them, the
sounds works now and my printers over network too. Very nice. So it was
not file version fault. But now the sounds seems to be very delayed. I
have real time priority activated, but sounds are played sometimes 3
seconds or so after |
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| _Chris_ | the event. |
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| _Chris_ | *+ tdelibs was compiled at first without cups support. So that was no surprise. |
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| Guest49935 | No. |
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| FlipBill | pitriss,
I can assign the function (I use middle mouse button) to drag any
window by the titlebar on top of another titlebar. The drgged
window is resized on to the size of the window it is dragged to, and
the titlebar is split so that either window can be displayed with
left-click. I can combine windows arbitrarily or separate
them. Like browser tabs, but generic for any window. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I had to recude the sound buffer to the slightest, to get instant
response to events. Is that intended, or is there something strange
going on? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is there any bug report where possible solutions for TDEHTML
development and/or webkit change is discussed? I did a quick search in
the bugtracker, but haven't found anything related actually. |
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| NickStone | can someone tell me if flightgear is available in exe gnu linux? |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. Never heard of exe gnu linux. |
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| a-865 | anyone else unable to start a TDE session via TDM since the 14.0.3 to 14.0.4 update? |
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| a-865 | openSUSE 42.1 |
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| a-865 | not sure what the session type actually open is, possibly just TWM |
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| a-865 | no taskbar, no menus, just an xterm |
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| a-865 | TDE session fine via startx |
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| a-865 | only line in .xsession-errors says no such file or directory for /opt/trinity/share/config/tdm/Xsession |
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| a-865 | looks like it doesn't like something about tdmrc |
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| a-865 | old heavily customized tdmrc got totally replaced by rpm version :-( |
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| * a-865 builds new tdmrc |
| a-865 | new tdmrc fixtit |
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| _Chris_ | a-865: So it's working now? |
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| a-865 | correct |
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| _Chris_ | Okay nice :) |
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| a-865 | why does the update toss out all my customizations? |
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| _Chris_ | a-865:
Hm, I don't know it in rpm-based distributions anymore, but at least in
Gentoo, the configs are preserved and with some command, they are
merged or replaced, but you will be asked before. |
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| a-865 | most cases in /etc/ in rpm updating leaves an .rpmsave and/or an .rpmnew file, but in this case the .rpmsave file was not usable |
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| a-865 | file looked for in /opt instead of /etc according to the different tdmrc files |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe a fault of openSUSE. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, do you use the repos for the packages of tde inself? |
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| a-865 | I don't understand that question |
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| _Chris_ | Are you using the packages provided by the TDE team for install, or is TDE provided from OpenSUSE itself? |
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| a-865 | [TDE] |
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| a-865 | autorefresh=0 |
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| a-865 | baseurl=http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse42.1/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64 |
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| a-865 | enabled=1 |
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| a-865 | gpgcheck=0 |
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| a-865 | name=TDE |
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| a-865 | type=rpm-md |
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| a-865 | packages built by François Andriot <francois.andriot@free.fr> |
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| Chris_ | Yes, that's from tde team. |
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| Chris_ | So what did you fix with your tdmrc file now so that it works again? |
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| Chris_ | Hm,
I downloaded the rpm package for tdm which you use under openSUSE. The
Xsession file there is in /etc/tdm/Xsession and the /etc/tdm/tdmrc
points "Session=/etc/trinity/tdm/Xsession" - so that looks right. |
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| a-865 | only
line in .xsession-errors says no such file or directory for
/opt/trinity/share/config/tdm/Xsession pointed to just that you put |
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| Chris_ | I mean "/etc/trinity/tdm". |
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| Chris_ | Under Gentoo it is: "/usr/trinity/14/share/config/tdm/Xsession" |
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| a-865 | --- .tdmrc.04 2016-07-16 01:45:51.000000000 -0400 |
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| a-865 | +++ tdmrc 2016-12-01 21:47:21.000000000 -0500 |
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| a-865 | @@ -251,7 +251,7 @@ |
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| a-865 | #AutoReLogin=true |
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| a-865 | # Allow root logins? |
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| a-865 | # Default is true |
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| a-865 | -AllowRootLogin=false |
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| a-865 | +#AllowRootLogin=false |
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| a-865 | # Allow to log in, when user has set an empty password? |
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| a-865 | # Default is true |
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| a-865 | AllowNullPasswd=false |
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| a-865 | @@ -315,7 +315,7 @@ |
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| a-865 | # "Logo" - the image specified by LogoPixmap |
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| a-865 | # "Clock" - a neat analog clock |
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| a-865 | # Default is None |
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| a-865 | -LogoArea=None |
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| a-865 | +LogoArea=Clock |
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| a-865 | # The image to show when LogoArea=Logo. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "" |
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| a-865 | LogoPixmap=/opt/trinity/share/apps/tdm/pics/kdelogo.png |
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| a-865 | @@ -343,22 +343,22 @@ |
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| a-865 | AntiAliasing=true |
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| a-865 | # The font for the greeter headline. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "Serif,10,bold" |
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| a-865 | -#GreetFont=Sans Serif,10,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0 |
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| a-865 | +GreetFont=sans-serif,24,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0 |
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| a-865 | # The normal font used in the greeter. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "Sans Serif,10" |
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| a-865 | -#StdFont=Sans Serif,10,5,0,50,0 |
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| a-865 | +StdFont=sans-serif,16,5,0,50,0 |
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| a-865 | # The font used for the "Login Failed" message. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "Sans Serif,10,bold" |
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| a-865 | -#FailFont=Sans Serif,10,5,0,75,0 |
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| a-865 | +FailFont=sans-serif,18,5,0,75,0 |
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| a-865 | # What to do with the Num Lock modifier for the time the greeter is running: |
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| a-865 | # "Off" - turn off |
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| a-865 | # "On" - turn on |
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| a-865 | # "Keep" - do not change the state |
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| a-865 | # Default is Keep |
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| a-865 | -#NumLock=Off |
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| Chris_ | Nooo :) |
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| a-865 | +NumLock=on |
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| a-865 | # Language and locale to use in the greeter, encoded like $LC_LANG. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "en_US" |
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| a-865 | -Language=POSIX |
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| a-865 | +#Language=POSIX |
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| a-865 | # Enable autocompletion in the username line edit. |
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| a-865 | # Default is false |
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| a-865 | #UserCompletion=true |
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| a-865 | @@ -369,13 +369,13 @@ |
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| a-865 | # "NotHidden" - all users except those listed in HiddenUsers |
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| a-865 | # "Selected" - only the users listed in SelectedUsers |
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| a-865 | # Default is NotHidden |
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| a-865 | -#ShowUsers=Selected |
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| a-865 | +ShowUsers=Selected |
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| a-865 | # For ShowUsers=Selected. @<group> means all users in that group. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "" |
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| a-865 | -#SelectedUsers=root,johndoe |
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| a-865 | +SelectedUsers=root,firefox,jdcpa,moz,tst2000 |
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| a-865 | # For ShowUsers=NotHidden. @<group> means all users in that group. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "" |
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| a-865 | -#HiddenUsers=root |
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| a-865 | +#HiddenUsers= |
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| a-865 | # Special case of HiddenUsers: users with a non-zero UID less than this number |
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| a-865 | # will not be shown as well. |
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| a-865 | # Default is 0 |
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| a-865 | @@ -460,11 +460,11 @@ |
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| a-865 | Preloader=/opt/trinity/bin/preloadkde |
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| a-865 | # Whether the greeter should be themed. |
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| a-865 | # Default is true |
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| a-865 | -UseTheme=true |
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| a-865 | +UseTheme=false |
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| a-865 | # The theme to use for the greeter. Can point to either a directory or an XML |
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| a-865 | # file. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "/opt/trinity/share/apps/tdm/themes/o2_enterprise" |
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| a-865 | -Theme=/opt/trinity/share/apps/tdm/themes/o2_enterprise |
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| a-865 | +#Theme=/opt/trinity/share/apps/tdm/themes/o2_enterprise |
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| a-865 | # Core config for local displays |
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| a-865 | [X-:*-Core] |
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| a-865 | @@ -490,7 +490,7 @@ |
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| a-865 | # Restart instead of resetting the local X-server after session exit. |
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| a-865 | # Use it if the server leaks memory etc. |
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| a-865 | # Default is false |
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| a-865 | -#TerminateServer=true |
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| Chris_ | I simply meant the variable which is for defining the Xsession. |
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| a-865 | +TerminateServer=true |
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| a-865 | # The signal needed to reset the local X-server. |
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| a-865 | # Default is 1 (SIGHUP) |
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| a-865 | #ResetSignal=1 |
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| a-865 | @@ -512,11 +512,11 @@ |
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| a-865 | AllowShutdown=All |
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| a-865 | # Enable password-less logins on this display. USE WITH EXTREME CARE! |
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| a-865 | # Default is false |
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| a-865 | -#NoPassEnable=true |
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| a-865 | +NoPassEnable=true |
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| a-865 | # The users that do not need to provide a password to log in. NEVER list root! |
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| a-865 | # "*" means all non-root users. @<group> means all users in that group. |
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| a-865 | # Default is "" |
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| a-865 | -#NoPassUsers=fred,ethel |
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| a-865 | +NoPassUsers=* |
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| a-865 | # Greeter config for local displays |
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| a-865 | [X-:*-Greeter] |
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| Chris_ | I don't find anything related. |
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| a-865 | that's the diff from rpmnew to the file in current use |
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| a-865 | old file I tried to reuse looked for the Xsession in /opt/ instead of in /etc/ |
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| Chris_ | But there is nothing about Session= variable in this file, if I don't mistaken. |
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| Chris_ | Look for "Session" variable in this the old and in the new file. |
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| Chris_ | I looked in your rpm of tdm and this variable is there and it seems to be correct. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe it was some sort of enviroment variable fault. |
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| Chris_ | You only got a xterm window? Could you drag it around, or not? |
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| a-865 | old/broken: Session=/opt/trinity/share/config/tdm/Xsession ; new/working: Session=/etc/trinity/tdm/Xsession |
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| Chris_ | You mean "old/borken" = new after the update, right? |
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| a-865 | old file containing opt IIRC worked fine with 14.0.3, but gave only the xterm after update to 14.0.4 |
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| Chris_ | In the newest rpm file of tdm for openSUSE I don't find anything about /opt/* in the tdmrc file. |
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| a-865 | /opt is the TDE installation tree |
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| Chris_ | Yes, than simply the path changed. From /opt/ to /etc/ now. |
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| Chris_ | But you said the "new" tdmrc was broken and if you re-use your "old" file, it works. |
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| a-865 | thats backwards |
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| a-865 | old file would not work, recreated tdmrc is fine |
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| a-865 | deja vu http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug
2557: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, [openSUSE]
/opt/trinity/bin/starttde missing from $PATH, and will not run from
/usr/share/xsessions/trinity.desktop via TDM |
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| a-865 | now past time for catching zzzzzs |
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| Chris_ | Hm, good it works now at least. |
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| Chris_ | But
re-read all and if I am correct, you simply wanted to re-use your old
tdmrc, which was not working anymore, because the Xsession file was
after the update in /etc/... and your old tdmrc file, you wanted to
re-use was looking for the old path in /opt/... Maybe that's the case
why this time the tdmrc was replaced simply, so after the update it
works for users without much knowledge. |
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| Chris_ | * -But +I |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I am building Amarok actually and I am still hanging at not finding
"tagmp4-static" while linking. I have build taglib with mp4 support. But
it still fails. Is there anyway to disable mp4 support to get around
this problem or what could be the cause of it? |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/amarok/tree/amarok/src/metadata/CMakeLists.txt |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that it needs tagmp4-static also if you are not building with "WITH_MP4V2". |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: Amarok is not ready to build with CMake! Please, use automake. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah... Hm, so making an ebuild for it is pointless than for the first. Thanks. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I found the bug describing my problems: http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1917 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1917: major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: Cannot compile amarok with cmake |
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| _Chris_ | In the Wiki Amarok still shows as supported by cmake and that the autotools scripts are no longer maintained. |
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| SlavekB | In Amarok upstream == Amarok 2.x for KDE >= 4? |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that it worked at least some time. |
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| _Chris_ | But after mp4 changes not anymore it seems. |
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| SlavekB | Oh thank you. It seems that the list needs to be updated... |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | is rigth that building tde-tqt3 put file in: opt/trinity/tqt3/... ? |
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| _Chris_ | sacarde: I think so, at least it seems https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules is suggesting it. Why you ask? |
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| sacarde | I have error not found some file header.h |
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| sacarde | file that I have in tde-tqt3 |
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| _Chris_ | Can you paste the log here and link it? https://paste.debian.net/ So I will take a look at it, or maybe someone else too. |
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| pitriss | I think /opt is really correct place for all software which is not in distribution.. as It prevents conflicts with distrib sw |
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| _Chris_ | sacarde: Maybe your enviroment variables are wrong. Take a look at the wiki guide for it. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
I just had the fix idea to change the mplayer binary path to the one of
mpv. But it seems that is not working. It worked with SMPlayer. |
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| _Chris_ | I tested it in "Kplayer". |
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| _Chris_ | But
I found out why it is not working in it. Seems some commandline
arguments changed. If someone invest a little bit of time, Kplayer could
work with MPlayer and MPV. Just to let everyone know. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I build several applications with automake yesterday, following the tde
wiki guide and I have two additions for this. That you have to do git
submodule init && git submodule update for example to get the
./admin and ./cmake subprojects and that the example speaks still of
"QT" and points to the qt3 dir and not to the tqt3 dir. I think new
people could be a bit confused of this and seems this was written before
inroducing |
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| _Chris_ | tqt3. |
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| _Chris_ | And that cmake is not stable for Amarok and maybe other applications too. We talked about this yesterday. |
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| _Chris_ | And
I am searching for the old function in konqueror to show video
thumbnails. I don't have the video option, searched a lot yesterday with
old kde3 keywords, but I found nothing related. I installed
mplayerthumb now, but it seems that a xine video thumbnails plugin
should be existing too. If I recall right, in SuSE back in the days, the
videos were moving if you place the cursor over them. |
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| _Chris_ | And
there should be maybe a note about building Amarok needs at least
>=taglib-1.10 to compile. With 1.9 it was not possible. I am using
1.11 at now which works. I don't know it's Gentoo specific. Just as a
notice. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: On Ubuntu 10.04 is used libtag 1.6.2 and Amarok is built successfully with it |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that's really strange. |
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| sacarde | have you to show me md5sum for tdebindings-R14.0.4 ? |
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| sacarde | and tdenetwork-R14.0.4 |
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| sacarde | ls |
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| sacarde | and tdeutils-R14.0.4 |
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| e1z0_ | heya |
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| e1z0_ | got some problems with tde-powersave build on archlinux |
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| e1z0_ | http://pastebin.ca/3743994 |
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| e1z0_ | maybe the source isn't updated yet so ir references kdemain |
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| SlavekB | e1z0_: kdemain is defined in tdepowersave/src/main.cpp |
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| e1z0_ | oh |
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| SlavekB | perhaps it is related to GCC hidden visibility. |
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| SlavekB | you can try to add KDE_EXPORT to the end of line 52 in main.cpp |
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| SlavekB | e1z0_: By the way - http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdenetwork/commit/?id=9faa91ee |
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| e1z0_ | oh, ok |
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| e1z0_ | there is a patch as i see in PKGBULD sed 's/^int kdemain/KDE_EXPORT \0/' src/main.cpp |
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| e1z0_ | oh, it's without -i switch, lol |
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| e1z0_ | now it works fine |
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| SlavekB | Thank you for testing - soon I will push the patch to git. |
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| e1z0_ | i forked your PKGBUILD repo in github, soon as i fix as more as i can, i will push the changes so you can merge them |
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| e1z0_ | :-) |
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| e1z0_ | SlavekB, maybe you know how to fix building tdegraphics http://pastebin.com/NvrxiSxG ? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: You added KPlayer to the TDE repo this year and I tested something yesterday with MPV, did you read it? |
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| SlavekB | guys, you are too fast now :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| SlavekB | e1z0_: You're building tdegraphics with automake or cmake? |
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| e1z0_ | automake |
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| SlavekB | please, try to build it with cmake. |
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| e1z0_ | okay |
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| e1z0_ | build ok |
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| e1z0_ | now testing tdesdk |
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| _Chris_ | "undefined reference to `TQPaintDevice". Do you have a tip to what this belongs to SlavekB? |
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| _Chris_ | I
tried to build the adblock plugin of konqueror in tdeaddons ->
konq-plugins -> adblock. While getting "undefined reference to
`KXMLGUIClient::virtual_hook(int, void*)'" while building the konqueror
"searchbar". |
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| e1z0_ | done some work |
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| e1z0_ | here is the results https://github.com/e1z0/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD/commit/d1f06c7c6d0a7c3628a35f3c21f749d62218913f |
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| SlavekB | e1z0_: FYI tdesdk can be build with CMake. |
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| sacarde | e1z0_, what are the differences between your pkgbuild and michail manley pkgbuild ? |
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| e1z0_ | try to diff it :D |
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| sacarde | wich architetture are you using? |
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| e1z0_ | x64 |
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| sacarde | I am building tde r14.0.4 and base packages are build OK |
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| sacarde | I have error in tde-tdenetwork, is this: http://sacarde.altervista.org/np/err-network |
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| SlavekB | sacarde: already fixed in GIT - http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdenetwork/commit/?id=9faa91ee |
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| e1z0__ | hmm, tdevelop can't succeed at configure, when checking berkeley db |
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| e1z0__ | Berkeley DB >= 4.1... configure: error: no - please install Berkeley DB >= 4.1 |
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| e1z0__ | system has 5.x version, i've tested with 4.8 without success too |
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| e1z0__ | it needs some workaround |
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| SlavekB | build with cmake or automake? |
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| e1z0__ | yeah, trying now with cmake, automake was my fault |
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| e1z0__ | :-) |
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| e1z0__ | SlavekB, it failed too at 14% http://pastebin.com/82V0XGr8 |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Just to inform you, because of the problem I had with arts and system
sounds. I set the latency at the lowest setting and now there is no lag
anymore. Just a crackling from time to time if you repeat to trigger the
sounds several times. But that's nothing what I notice in every day
use. |
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| SlavekB | e1z0__: It seems to be something wrong in your build environment: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltqt-mt |
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| e1z0__ | yeah, possible |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| _Chris_ | That we had these days with somebody else. |
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| _Chris_ | Something with java if I am right. |
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| _Chris_ | But it was tdebindings. |
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| e1z0__ | hmm, everything seems to be done, except apps and tde-tdevelop |
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| e1z0__ | https://github.com/e1z0/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD/commit/9a9a242cc7859b8435dc35dbb154e58adaabce57 |
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| e1z0__ | \m/ |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0__: Nice, so Arch is going to be one of the additional choices to have for TDE :-) |
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| e1z0__ | ;-) |
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| e1z0__ | will see |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I found again something strange in the wiki guide to build with cmake:
"export LIBDIR=/opt/trinity/lib" and "-DLIB_SUFFIX=${LIBDIRSUFFIX}". |
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| _Chris_ | And
I found the reason the konq-plugins of tdeaddons don't compiled right.
It was needed to add "--enable-closure" to configure. It's already in
the wiki. Now it worked. Done. |
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| e1z0__ | https://github.com/e1z0/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD/commit/26cbc11a0e2f09e823bef5edf134a5ec333f3b91 |
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| e1z0__ | more apps |
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| _Chris_ | e1z0__: Looks good, I can't test under Gentoo. :-) |
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| e1z0__ | yeah, gentoo was good for me few years ago i dropped it due it's old software |
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| e1z0__ | arch now is better |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, what means "old" software? You can use ¨arch for testing packages. At least we can choose not to install systemd. |
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| _Chris_ | But
I wanted to test arch since a few years myself. But after switching to
systemd, that was no option anymore sadly. But still, arch is nice for
advanced people. |
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| e1z0__ | yeah, it's nice |
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| _Chris_ | In Gentoo we have eclasses to outsource this repeatable steps. But it's still a bit like writing ebuilds what you do. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, kmail can't find "imaps". Do I miss anything? |
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| _Chris_ | Package tdeioslave in tdepim was not installed. There is the imap4 handler. |
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| e1z0_ | heya |
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| e1z0_ | how can be easily converted an app that requires kde3, like themes? |
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| e1z0_ | configure: error: The important program kde-config was not found! |
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| e1z0_ | sed -i 's/kde-config/tde-config/g' configure ? :-) |
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| SlavekB | Procedure in brief: |
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| SlavekB | 1) http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/experimental/tree/qt3-tqt3/convert_existing_qt3_app_to_tqt3 |
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| SlavekB | 2) http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/experimental/tree/kde-tde/convert_existing_kde3_app_to_tde |
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| SlavekB | 3) replace 'admin' folder with common admin from tde: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/admin/ |
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| e1z0_ | oh ok |
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| e1z0_ | thanks :-) |
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| SlavekB | e1z0_: The result can look like this: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-style-ia-ora/log/ |
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| e1z0_ | :LO |
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| e1z0_ | :O |
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| e1z0_ | SlavekB, it lacks configure |
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| e1z0_ | oh, copy admin dir |
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| e1z0_ | http://pastebin.com/wuCzMsLF |
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| e1z0_ | does not work either |
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| SlavekB | You're working on style IA-ORA? It's already ready for TDE - just not part of R14.0.x branch. |
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| e1z0_ | i've tried to compile http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-style-baghira/ does not work for me too |
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| e1z0_ | libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6b Debian-2.2.6b-2ubuntu1 |
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| e1z0_ | :| |
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| SlavekB | You need to regenerate autoconf/automake files - see https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Building_Packages_with_Autoconf |
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| e1z0_ | seems it worked |
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| e1z0_ | ok, thanks |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | is any developer of trinity desktop around? SlavekB maybe? |
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| SlavekB | SemiNus, I'm here, however partially busy. |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB,
thank you for responding! I am going to write you a list of
bugs which I encountered within the last few months |
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| SemiNus | but first of all, I wanted to thank you and the other developers for the great work |
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| SemiNus | I absolutely love trinity desktop. So, all the bugs which I list, are not meant offensive in any way. |
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| SemiNus | **** |
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| SemiNus | 1) kwrite / feature request (highlighting) |
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| SemiNus | this
is not a bug, it's a feature request. In KDE
4, when you highlight a word or a phrase (e.g. "Hello World")
in kwrite, (the kwrite of KDE 4) then all occurancies of the same
phrase get highlighted (yellow background) automatically |
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| SemiNus | I guess this is a not-so-hard task, and I would love to see it implemented. |
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| SemiNus | *** |
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| SemiNus | 2) Drag'n'Drop images from Chrome to the GIMP |
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| SemiNus | Imagine, you have an image open in Chrome (or any other browser - I personally tested it with chrome) |
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| SemiNus | in the past (when trinity was KDE 3) I could drag and drop images from Chrome to GIMP directly, and they would open |
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| SemiNus | same about the File -> Open Location dialogue in the GIMP |
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| SemiNus | that
does not work any more - I get errors. I guess that's a
trinity related bug, because it works on other WM's |
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| SemiNus | *** |
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| SemiNus | 3) GIMP minimize problem |
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| SemiNus | this bug kind of relates to the previous one. |
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| SemiNus | Let's say the GIMP is minimized, and you want to drag and drop an image (e.g. from Chrome) to the gimp |
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| SemiNus | you drag the picture, and hover over the minimized(!!) GIMP window (note: the minimized gimp window!) |
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| SemiNus | then, the GIMP should become maximized again |
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| SemiNus | so, to explain it once more: |
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| SemiNus | the picture is draggen (and still dragged) and you hover the minimized GIMP window with your mouse |
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| SemiNus | then the GIMP should become maximized. |
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| SemiNus | that worked in KDE 3 |
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| SemiNus | *** |
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| SemiNus | 4) Icons in System Settings |
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| SemiNus | KDE System Settings => Near all icons are missing there! |
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| SemiNus | *** |
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| SemiNus | 5) Sound bug |
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| SemiNus | at the right side next to the clock are my tray icons |
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| SemiNus | one of these tray icons is the mixer (the speaker icon) for the sound |
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| SemiNus | I click it with my left mouse button, and it opens a small "thing" where I can adjust the level of the master channel |
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| SemiNus | at top of this "thing", there is a small little green "dot" |
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| SemiNus | when I click this dot, I can mute the master channel |
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| SemiNus | some time later, I decide to un-mute it again. |
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| SemiNus | even though the red dot becomes highlighted again (meaning: sound is on again) it does not work |
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| SemiNus | I have to click on the [MIXER] button and also switch it on in the mixer |
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| SemiNus | this is a really bothering bug |
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| SemiNus | **** |
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| SemiNus | 6) unindent in kwrite |
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| SemiNus | in kwrite, CTRL+SHIFT+i should unindent the selected lines (like moving them to the left) |
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| SemiNus | imagine a structure like this: |
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| SemiNus | aaa |
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| SemiNus | bbb |
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| SemiNus | bbb |
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| SemiNus | ccc |
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| SemiNus | ccc |
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| SemiNus | ccc |
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| SemiNus | bbb |
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| SemiNus | bbb |
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| SemiNus | bbb |
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| SemiNus | aaa |
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| SemiNus | Using CTRL+SHIFT+i you could ONLY unindent to the level of "bbb" |
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| SemiNus | once "bbb" hits the left edge, you cannot unindent any more. |
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| SemiNus | you
would need to unselect the selected text, select only the "ccc"
again, and then unindent using CTRL+SHIFT+i again |
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| SemiNus | it works in the kwrite version of KDE 4 |
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| SemiNus | **** |
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| SemiNus | 7) refreshing problem when deleting files |
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| SemiNus | when
you are in kwrite and hit CTRL+O (in order to open the "Open
File" dialogue window) you will see all files that you can open |
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| SemiNus | when I delete one of these files out of the "Open File" Dialogue window, the view does NOT get refreshed. |
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| SemiNus | so, again in short words: Delete a file in the "Open File" dialogue window, and the view does not refresh. |
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| SemiNus | I guess the same problem occurs also in other trinity programs, and maybe also in the "Save Dialogue" |
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| SemiNus | *** |
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| SemiNus | 8) kwrite "forgets" to list files in the "Open Recent" dialogue |
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| SemiNus | this bug bothers me soooooo much. |
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| SemiNus | kwrite simply forgets to list files in the "File" => "Open Recent" dialogue |
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| SemiNus | sometimes it lists the files, and sometimes it does not |
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| SemiNus | does not matter if I open the file in the "konsole" using "kwrite foo.txt" |
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| pitriss | about kmix.. must be fault of your build.. mine is working..:) |
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| SemiNus | or if I use the "File" => Open dialogue |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, I will upgrade trinity tomorrow |
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| SemiNus | thx for reading |
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| SemiNus | **** |
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| SemiNus | 9) in hexchat (formerly "xchat") there is a dialogue "Window" => "Save Text" to save whole chat sessions |
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| SemiNus | KDE 3 always remembered the location where I saved my chat protocoll the last time |
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| SemiNus | so,
let's say I saved it
to /home/seminus/Documents/chats then the NEXT
time, this location would open again |
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| SemiNus | when I save a log I mean |
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| SemiNus | however, trinity desktop causes hexchat to ALWAYS offer ~/.config/hexchat as saving location |
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| SemiNus | (I mean, after I restarted xchat) |
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| SemiNus | it remembers the location in the current session only |
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| SemiNus | *** |
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| SemiNus | 10) ALT+F2 calculations |
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| SemiNus | this bug makes me cry every second day |
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| SemiNus | open the ALT+F2 dialogue |
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| SemiNus | enter: |
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| SemiNus | (80/100)*50 and press ENTER |
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| SemiNus | you get 40.00000000 as result |
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| SemiNus | now do it the other way: |
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| SemiNus | 80/100 |
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| SemiNus | you get .80000000 as result |
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| SemiNus | do NOT delete this - just let it stand there |
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| SemiNus | and ADD a *50 at the end |
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| SemiNus | so that it reads like this: |
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| SemiNus | .80000000*50 |
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| SemiNus | an ERROR occurs, saying: "Could not run the specified command." |
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| SemiNus | I would need to add a leading 0 in front of the . |
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| SemiNus | like this: |
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| SemiNus | 0.80000000*50 |
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| SemiNus | but, why does the ALT+F2 dialogue give me a result that I cannot continue to work with in the first place? |
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| SemiNus | I
think, 80/100 should
give 0.80000000 rather
than .80000000 so that I can keep working with
the result |
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| SemiNus | and since we already talk about this: |
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| SemiNus | could you PLEASE crop all the unnessesary 0es ? |
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| SemiNus | the result is 0.8 |
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| SemiNus | and not 0.80000000 |
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| SemiNus | *** |
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| SemiNus | that's it |
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| SemiNus | please don't hate on me |
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| SemiNus | I love trinity desktop |
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| SemiNus | I use it every day, I love it, and that's the reason why I collected these bugs |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB ? |
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| SlavekB | SemiNus: I watched everything closely. |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, thank you so much for that |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, if you have any questions, or if anything is not clear, feel free to ask me |
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| pitriss | I'm not sure about enhancements of kwrite.. as it should be bare text editor.. for extended functiosn there should be kate imho |
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| SlavekB | Please can you fill these problems as an individual bug reports to bugzilla? |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, I feared that you will say that ^.^ |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, kate is the same actually |
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| SlavekB | Here might be forgotten. |
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| SemiNus | I am always totally freaking out when it comes to web forms |
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| pitriss | yes.. I see.. but err.. Still i think these features should be in kate and not make kwrite so "bloated" :) |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, kwrite is my #1 tool to code in |
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| SemiNus | I don't like kate all too much |
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| SlavekB | I also prefer kwrite. |
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| SlavekB | however, both are on the same core. |
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| SemiNus | yep, true that |
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| SemiNus | but kwrite looks nicer, cleaner, etc. |
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| pitriss | SemiNus: yeah I understand but I use kwrite for simple things and kate for more complex tasks:) |
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| SemiNus | what kind of "complex" tasks would kate be able to solve for you, that kwrite can't? |
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| SemiNus | by the way, I am sorry that I cannot solve the bugs myself - I am just a web developer, so I cannot help programming |
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| pitriss | webcoding, ruby and shell scripting:) |
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| SemiNus | would it help if I hired someone on Upwork (formerly odesk) ? |
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| pitriss | multiple opened files and so on:) |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, yeah, the multiple opened files is why I use kwrite - I want to switch between the windows in the task bar |
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| SemiNus | not in kate ^.^ |
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| SemiNus | however, use whatever you like :) |
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| SemiNus | on upwork (odesk) there are (also cheap) programmers from all around the world. |
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| SemiNus | So, if I ask for too much concerning these bugs, would it help if I hired someone for one or more of the bugs above? |
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| SemiNus | or is that a bad idea? |
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| pitriss | i
love files list in kate..:) and all enhanced features:) kwrite is for
me really bare editor.:) so I prefer to keep it simple and improvements
put in kate:) |
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| SemiNus | no idea how long it would take somebody to understand the code of trinity desktop in order to fix things |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, fight me ;) |
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| pitriss | I dont need to fight.. I only present my personal opinion:) |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, nah, that was meant as an idiom... note: english is not my first language, maybe I used it wrong |
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| SemiNus | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fight%20me |
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| SemiNus | not sure if I used it correctly |
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| pitriss | I'm also not native english speaker;) |
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| SemiNus | oh, I see |
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| SemiNus | where are you from? |
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| pitriss | Czech republic:) |
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| SemiNus | oh, nice =) |
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| SemiNus | I really got to love the Czech republic recently |
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| SemiNus | even though I live in Vienna (Austria), I was not in touch with the Czech republic all too much in the past |
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| SemiNus | however, due to the fact that I traveled between Berlin and Vienna quite a lot, I had to drive through the Czech republic often |
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| pitriss | I
agree with improvements of calculations of alt+f2.. Maybe I would even
like if it would have configurable backed as I prefer qalculate:) |
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| SemiNus | so I used the time to get to know the people and the country |
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| SemiNus | and I love it :) |
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| SemiNus | configureable sounds good, but PLEASE, whatever you developers do, PLEASE do NOT make it like the ALT+F2 dialogue in KDE 4 |
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| pitriss | or even better maybe kde frontend for qalculate would be great:D |
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| SemiNus | the ALT+F2 dialogue in KDE 4 is the MAIN reason why I could not stand KDE 4 |
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| SemiNus | so
please, keep the ALT+F2 dialgue basically exactly the way it
is, no matter how much configureable stuff you
add, but please do not change it's behaviour |
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| pitriss | as that gtk one have no systray support:) |
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| pitriss | yeah I dont want to change its behavior..:) |
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| SemiNus | nobody of you guys replied to my offer with hiring someone |
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| SemiNus | would it help, or is that a bad idea? |
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| SemiNus | I have no idea how hard it is to understand the code.... |
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| SemiNus | for
example, the calculation bug.... is that something that a 3rd party
developer can fix in 20 minutes, or would he first need to understand
the trinity desktop codebase for 10 days? |
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| pitriss | and
these things with gimp.. I think they are most likely bugs / removed
features in gimp as gimp changed drastically since kde3.5 |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, but it works on other desktop environments |
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| SemiNus | e.g. in KDE 4, I can open locations in the GIMP |
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| SemiNus | and the GIMP also maximizes when I drag an image to the minimized window |
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| pitriss | for
me gimp cant even open file from web.. it should be supported but for
me, it never opened web location:) As past web dev i was used to do so.. |
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| SemiNus | pitriss, yeah, as I described in my bug list - I also cannot open locations from the web |
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| SemiNus | it worked in the past |
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| SemiNus | long, long time ago, many years ago, I opened files like this all the time |
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| SemiNus | so, about the bugs - I would appreciate if I would not have to fill out web forms |
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| SemiNus | hopefully someone will note these bugs |
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| pitriss | this is most def bug from gimp.. I didnt tested it in another DE as I dont feel comfortable to do so just for testing gimp:) |
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| SemiNus | I tried my best to describe them as good as possible |
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| SemiNus | I need to continue working |
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| SemiNus | thank you for listening |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, pitriss I wish you the best of luck |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB,
if you read my idea about the freelancers later - I will come back
later or an other day, and then you can tell me if this is a good idea |
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| SemiNus | bye all =) |
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| stormchaser3000 | i really don't know where else to ask this. how do i install kde3.x window decorations? |
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| stormchaser3000 | all my current attempts have failed |
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| SlavekB | stormchaser3000: Window decorations will probably need to recompile and update to the TDE R14 API. |
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| SlavekB | some are already updated - see the applications tde-style-* in GIT: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/?ofs=100 |
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| stormchaser3000 | SlavekB, oh ok. thanks |
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| a-865 | nothing
provides libmng.so.1()(64bit) needed by
libtqt3-mt-3.5.0-14.0.4_1.oss422.x86_64; is that supposed to come from
Packman? from some standard repo? |
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| a-865 | /usr/lib/mng.so.2 exists |
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| a-865 | shouldn't libtqt3-mt require a >= rather than an =? |
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| a-865 | shouldn't libtqt3-mt require a >= rather than an = ? |
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| a-865 | would it be OK to simply let it "break" so that it can use .so.2 instead of .so.1? |
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| SlavekB | a-865: Changing the library version usually have a significant reason - for example, due to the change api. |
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| SlavekB | I suppose it requires a rebuild tqt3 |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: until now, I could always use the latest distribution release (now 42.2) to enable running TDE in Tumbleweed |
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| a-865 | I have it installed "broken" now to see what happens |
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| a-865 | I'm having it installed "broken" now to see what happens... |
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| a-865 | I have no idea why tdm would depend on libmng in the first place |
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| a-865 | I only use the default (non-) them in TDM |
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| a-865 | I only use the default (non-) theme in TDM |
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| SlavekB | libmng is required by tqt-mt. |
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| a-865 | correct, but why? |
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| SlavekB | because tqt3 is built with mng support? ;) |
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| a-865 | bling getting in the way is one of the foundational reasons for not using KDE :-p |
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| SlavekB | use "rolling distributions" is always a big problem. |
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| SlavekB | It requires constantly monitoring what is changing and solve, whether it is necessary to rebuild some packages. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB:
with the imminent death of 32bit on openSUSE Distribution (13.2 about
to go out of support), Tumbleweed is the only 32bit path left for
openSUSE users |
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| a-865 | openSUSE's KDE3 devs seem to have given up |
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| SlavekB | You're building your own packages? |
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| a-865 | never |
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| a-865 | so far, TDM and TDE session seem fine using libmng.so.2.... |
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| a-865 | I was mistaken about having used TDE in TW in the past. What I was doing was using the 42.1 TDE for the 42.2 alphas & betas. |
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| a-865 | so this was my first try to see what happens |
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| SlavekB | a-865: François maintains a repository also on openSUSE Build farm. It might be helpful for you - see http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::10840 |
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| a-865 | hmmm.... |
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| stormchaser3000 | is there a way to convert .colors files to .kcsrc files? |
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| stormchaser3000 | and also is there a way to allow qtcurve to be the window decoration theme? |
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| SlavekB | stormchaser3000: It seems that the window decoration theme was not a part of qtcurve for KDE3/Trinity. |
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| stormchaser3000 | oh :( |
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| stormchaser3000 | oh well the crystal theme work nicely for my setup anyway |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is there any guide how to contribute to the translation of TDE? Simply
editing the *.po files per hand, making a patch, open a ticket with it
in bugtracker afterwards, or is there any tde-specific editor for edit
them? |
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| _Chris_ | I
have taken a look at some parts, which are in English it seems, but the
strange part is, this strings are translated within the *.po files. So
maybe simply the variable name was changed, is that possible? |
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| _Chris_ | The
second part of the "Introduction into Konqueror" for example. It's not
translated into German, but in the *.po file, there is an entry which
seems to be translated. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: Yes, you can use a simple text editor or, for example KBabel to edit *.po files. |
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| BluesKaj-pi | Hi, I'm
having a difficult time with konversation-trinity registered nick
settings not being detected by nickserv or SASL on freenode
server....any ideas? |
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| pitriss | BluesKaj-pi: I never had issue with nickserv and its setting in konversation |
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| BluesKaj-pi | pitriss, which konversation version do you use ? |
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| BluesKaj-pi | the trinity version is quite old , v1.1 |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Thanks. Yes, KBabel was exactly the thing I was looking for. Nice. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is there any way to get export to *.pdf in Kooka? I used xsane bevore
and I am very used to the workflow scan -> export as PDF -> Taking
that file as input for online FAX. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: If kooka cannot directly export to PDF, it should be able to print to pdf. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Okay, good tip, but I have to save it to *.png or anything related
first and loosing informations this way. It seems also that if I scan
one page, the resulting pdf contains 4. Maybe I am missing some
exportfilters. I will take a closer look to this. |
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| paul- | hi |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
why? you can set up virtual printer in cups to print into pfd.. so you
can save it into default format.. just press print in kooka and select
pdf printer |
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| pitriss | paul-: hi |
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| _Chris_ | A
week ago or so, I asked about how to get native videothumbnails in
konqueror because I only got this working with the mplayerthumbs plugin
from tde apps. Seems no one was knowing how to archive that, so I
searched further and now found the answer, just to let everyone know:
You need to install the xine_artsplugin package of tdemultimedia. Now I
get native rendered thumbnails with xine backend. I just spend that
plugin no interest, |
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| _Chris_ | thinking
this is some pipeline plugin for arts, because arts is a sound server.
But seems arts is also having (at least basic) video processing features
and in fact is used to make videothumbnails working. I remind me now
that I have read something like that from a message from the creator of
arts. Interesting to know. |
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| _Chris_ | The
funny part is also: The README of that repo, which was used from the
old maintainer describes the function of that package with this: "*
xine_artsplugin: ??" |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_Laptop: nice - I installed on my Debian package libarts1-xine-trinity and video previews are in place! |
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| SlavekB | thank you for your research |
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| _Chris_ | And
it seems I am getting used to use konqueror as my primary browser. At
least for pages which are rendered more or less useable. The only part
which is very distracting is the messages about certs and so on. Any
workaround for this? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, I am very happy too. But I think people who simply install all
will have that working out the box, or is xine_artsplugin excluded from
the binary packages? I think the README file should be changed to show
for what this plugin is for. Neverless the README is not up to date
anyway. But I am very used to read this READMES if browsing the repos
and think some people too. |
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| SlavekB | On Debian / Ubuntu is libarts1-xine-trinity as a separate package. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: By the way: How can I add something to the WIKI, or at least change something? Is there any requirement? |
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| SlavekB | (binary package) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. So maybe this should be installed out the box for end users? |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way: You can get this way also audiothumbnails (previews if you
over the file if I remind me right) if you install the
soundfile_artsplugin of tdemultimedia. |
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| SlavekB | Regarding certificates: Web sites now often started using SNI - but KSSL yet does not have support for SNI. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Ah I see. I just had an idea these days and looked for the KHTML/KJS
upstream repo. They are more or less maintaining it still. I know there
are motivations and work ongoing (or was) to get webkit-qt4 working
under konqueror, but the nice thing about the current state KHTML (And
konqueror) is for some people I think the fact, that it's so fast
(memory and so on). I looked through the commits there and I think a lot
of them |
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| _Chris_ | could
be backported to the KHTML repo of tde. At leas the important ones, so
at least bad rendering faults get less. What do you think about SlavekB?
I know that the commits in some cases need to be changed because of
QT4/QT3 and now also because of tde/kde renaming. Just an idea. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_Laptop: Good place for a comment about the video previews on the wiki might be https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Tips_And_Tricks |
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| _Chris_ | (The same one could say about the filters of koffice) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, very good. How can I add and change something to the wiki SlavekB? Simply registering or is there any requirement? |
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| SlavekB | Simple create your account on wiki. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
that's a good thing. I can also change the compiling guide then and add
notes about git submodule init/update, which is a lacking step so far
without you don't get the admin and cmake subdir. |
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| SlavekB | I thought that information about submodules is listed on the page relating to the cloning from git... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I looked for that extra some days ago, maybe that was a bad day ;-) |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Project_GIT_Information |
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| SlavekB | See section To check out a single project |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes. I was at the git page, but not at the second link. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Notes_on_GIT_Sources |
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| _Chris_ | But Amarok still needs to be removed from the list of cmake supported apps. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, while some others can be added - tdegames, k3b, k3b-i18n, tellico.. |
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| _Chris_ | And
there is this withe the cmake guide: export LIBDIR=/opt/trinity/lib
-> -DLIB_SUFFIX=${LIBDIRSUFFIX} I don't think that is intended? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: true, I have tested some. Maybe that's worth to add. |
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| SlavekB | On some distributions is used lib × lib64. |
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| SlavekB | LIBDIRSUFFIX for these distributions may be '64'. |
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| _Chris_ | So it's defined from enviroment? |
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| _Chris_ | Because you extra define the libdir var and don't use it afterwards. Maybe it was simply copied from the automake part. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way: The KLaptopdaemon which integrates fine into the
Kontrolcenter is broken? It says system is not having ACPI-Support, at
least not fully. I now build TDEPowersave and it works like a charm.
Also the backlight-autodimming works, with my VAIO (Sony) laptop. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
klaptopdeamon longer time is not in good shape. Previously, it was
helpful to use KPowersave, now TDEPowersave, instead of klaptopdaemon. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Okay, so I did all right. TDEPowersave integrated within the
Kontrolcenter would be very nice. Best of two worlds. By the way, what
tool is used by TDEPowersave to switch CPU modes? I haven't found it
from quick look. CPUFreqd is deprecated since a while. |
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| SlavekB | TDEPowersave uses tdehw-library. And in tdehw library is used tdehwlib dbus daemon => sysfs. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, so simply switching between ondemand/powersave/performance gonvernor within kernel? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, switching governor. |
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| _Chris_ | That makes sense. I didn't found tdehw so far. Where is it living within the git repos? |
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| SlavekB | tdelibs/tdecore/tdehw. |
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| SlavekB | is part of tdecore library. |
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| _Chris_ | Ahhh, I only searched one layer higher. |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
One tip I have researched a while for too is that KMail needs the
tdepim-tdeioslaves package with sasl-support, otherwise KMail is not
having any IMAP-Support and for SMTP you need tdebase-tdeioslaves
package with sasl-support build too. Maybe that's worth too to add. |
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| SlavekB | On Debian/Ubuntu package KMail depends on packages tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity and tdepim-tdeio-plugins-trinity. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
yes, but tdebase-tdeioslaves needs to be build with sasl-support,
otherwise no IMAP. And I think pop3 could work without it, so for Gentoo
I will make it USE-flag dependent and maybe add a notice after
installing. It's not essential, but most likely usefull. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Because of KHTML, just for example, without looking into it too much: https://cgit.kde.org/khtml.git/commit/src/css?id=80f3d99e8c59272e0a985b2f90b1c2bbc8ce39ec or https://cgit.kde.org/khtml.git/commit/src/css?id=b52325eb49bca3b2d85a13c13e178132e1487e6b which is something TDEHTML seems to be affected from too: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/tree/tdehtml/css/cssparser.cpp#n1665 |
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| _Chris_ | And kcmwifi or "wifi" package in "tdenetwork" is "replaced" by TDENetworkmanager - the same like KLaptopdaemon? |
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| SlavekB | yes, to setup wifi connection is better to use TDENetworkmanager. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
from my memory, networkmanager is something from the pulseaudio/systemd
people... But okay, I am not objectiv here it seems. Has
TDENetworkmanager the same nice sysray-icon showing WIFI signal? |
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| SlavekB | For monitor wifi signal can be used kwifimanager |
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| _Chris_ | *systray. I never used networkmanager to be honest, under Gentoo we do it with simple init-scripts anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
okay, but kwifimanager handles only the WIFI things and
TDENetworkmanager does the WIFI-things and the connection-things (dhcp,
static ip, subnet)? |
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| SlavekB | yes,
networkmanager is to manage connection - cable/wifi. kwifimanager is to
display wifi signal and information about current wifi connection |
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| _Chris_ | Ah
okay, you can execute scripts with kwifimanager after connecting to a
different WIFI. So you can maybe configure network things too. But
"Setting WEP key" says me, better don't use it these days... ;-P |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, nice. So I will use kmwifimanager only for showing WIFI-signal. Works. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, any test how to test if aRts is having real time priority? |
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| SlavekB | I
have a desktop machine with wifi. Wifi network I set in
/etc/network/interfaces (Debian way) and kwifimanager only used for
signal monitoring. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
like I am doing in Gentoo: /etc/conf/net for WIFI network and IPs....
and kmwifimanager for monitoring. I am using WIFI at my desktop too, so
networkmanager would be something more for my laptop. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, networkmanager is good for users, who need to setup various wifi connections in gui. |
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| _Chris_ | Theoretically it would be sufficent then simply to compile kwireless without kcmwifi from tdenetwork -> wifi. |
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| _Chris_ | Verified.
That works perfect. Was simply one .so and .la file to delete, and the
.desktop file and it is gone from kontrolcenter. Reminds me on admin
panel from phpBB2. Simply and efficent. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Does the flash-plugin for firefox still work in konqueror for you? I
only get sound from it, can neither see anything, nor I can press
buttons. And why ever, the system notifications are muted after
Konqueror found the plugins. |
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| SlavekB | I generally try to avoid flash :) |
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| _Chris_ | Me
too, in palemoon I used HTML5 based players with gstreamer. But
streaming/player/youtube that is something for what I need still
palemoon. |
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| _Chris_ | And Adobe is updating again their linux flash-plugin for other browsers than chrome/chromium, with pepper api. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
I wanted to ask.. I have no cups installed (intended) and I still see
some default printers in trinity printer cotrol panel.. when I remove
some, press apply they appear back with error message that cups is not
present.. Maybe would be better to have no printer there if it is depend
on cups while cups is not installed?:) |
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| SlavekB | These are the real printers? Or "services" like Print to PostScrit, Print to PDF, Send PDF via mail? |
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| pitriss | Not real ones.. pdf/ps printer and send to fax etc |
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| pitriss | but I cant remove them:) |
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| _Chris_ | That |
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| _Chris_ | That's
something I noticed too. I compiled all without cups before and got
also this printer icon and so on. But it was complaining about lacking
cups. |
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| pitriss | yep
I didnt did any deep research.. But it seems to be depend on cups so,
not functional things there can be confusing for new users.. |
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| SlavekB | You can find it in /opt/trinity/share/apps/tdeprint/specials.desktop |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, seems tdeprint will be installed also if you don't have cups. SlavekB can it be simply removed? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, tdeprint is not necessarily dependent on the CUPS. |
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| _Chris_ | And it can be removed? |
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| SlavekB | Or set Number=0 in general section :) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, good to know. |
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| _Chris_ | I
really love the print dialog from tdeprint in konqueror. That was
something I was lacking for years in firefox/palemoon. Printing was
working never. |
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| _Chris_ | And
because of flash/konqueror I will try to test this, because I don't
know if XEmbed was every integrated within konqueror in tde: http://mikemcquaid.com/2007/12/30/konqueror-with-latest-adobe-flash-howto/ |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
youtube and other streamingsites don't work with flashplayer, but I can
play some funny flash game with a bird.... Sound and picture too.
Strange. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, that's a direct swf file.... Maybe therefore. |
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| mirda | _Chris_: you can play videos from youtube with smplayer |
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| mirda | you can set your klipper action to do it |
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| _Chris_ | mirda: Yes, true. I still have it installed. But this don't works for all sites. |
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| _Chris_ | This kmplayer trick doesn't work too. Seems to be a problem that konqueror never checks that this is some flash. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
now I get the kmplayer window for flash if I try to play this bird
flash game. So the problem is not flash, that works with plugin and with
kmplayer, it's more youtube/pages. |
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| _Chris_ | I am not very into this flash things. But I don't think youtube player is a simple swf. That might be the point. |
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| _Chris_ | There
is something wrong with the konqueror plugins in general. After
konqueror found the plugins, the notifications are muted. Also if
Konqueror is closed afterwards and also if I restart the TDE-Session. So
that needs some more research later. But I know now that it's not
xembed, because that was fixed in 2008, also in the KDE-3.x branch if
you believe their bugtracker. Would be interesting to test if this works
in KDE4 Konqueror ( |
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| _Chris_ | with KHTML). If you maybe there are some commits which could help. Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way: If someone want ever try to compile xine-lib's git version
(which is under development again, but with a different repo address),
it will fail with any binutils version higher than 2.25. This is beeing
to be fixed. I just thought was something to mention, because we had
this binutils-problem with TDE too (which seems more to be Gentoo
related). Now I have trouble to get my old binutils version to work
again for xine. |
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| _Chris_ | Or for xine-lib -> for kaffeine. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
My machine locked up and after next login into TDE some sounds are
cripled. Only specific. New window open, closing window for example,
while other ones like starting or logout are fine still. I tested if the
sound files are corrupted with mplayer, but they are okay. Is there any
kind of cache of aRts I can delete? |
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| _Chris_ | Some are missing completely while other ones only to hear half way. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I did more research in relation to my new sound problems. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: It seems I found the bug. I tested it now at my second machine and got the same sound problems now. It's xine related. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I think the headers of this specific sound files are damaged, or not
right. Same was going on the *.png files some times before what I found
out over the commits. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Something what we don't thought about is, that with installing of the
xine-artsplugin, we give aRts a second sound backend, not just video
backend (for the thumbnails). But after installing it, I simply not
restarted my PC, so the aRts simply not found xine as notification
encoding backend before. But after my crash I had to reboot TDE and
afterwards, it was using it. Darrel did a commit to make the debug
messages in the |
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| _Chris_ | xine-artsplugin
more specific 2 years before and therefore I did notifce some messages
of xine-artsplugin within my .xsession-error file if notifications
events are happening. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
It seems aRts will default to xine backend for notifications after you
install it. Before it most likely other encoders direct. |
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| Chris_Laptop | And kdesktop is crashing after re-login and use of xine engine too after some time. |
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| Chris_Laptop | From
xsession-error file: [xine_artsplugin audio_fifo_out] blocked for more
than 23 ms, [xine_artsplugin audio_fifo_out] blocked for more than 23
ms, |
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| Chris_Laptop | [xine_artsplugin audio_fifo_out] 128 sample(s) discarded. |
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| Chris_Laptop | And before I got some messages about opus encoder complaining about the audiofile header. But not at now. |
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| Chris_Laptop | For
kaffeine (or better xine) you can define some priorities for encoders.
Let's say that xine should preder libmpeg2 over ffmpeg for mpg2
encoding. For aRts there should be the same anywhere. So that you can
set the aRts internal codec for ogg files over the xine ones. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
And I was right, this preference is existing. In
$trinity_prefix/lib/mcop/ there are two files
"xineAudioPlayObject.mcopclass" and "xineVideoPlayObject.mcopclass" and
you can edit them. There is a variable called "preference" which was set
at 4. I set it to 0 for the audio file but it changed nothing, but
after changing the video file of these two of 0, aRts is now using
native encoding again and the specific sounds are |
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| _Chris_ | working
fine again. application/ogg is defined as video, instead of an audio it
seems, therefore changing the preference of the audiofile did nothing.
By the way: Xine itself is plays the specific sounds fine. So it has to
be between aRts and xine. So far my research. |
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| _Chris_ | Now
I have video thumbnails with xine-artsplugin again, but aRts is not
using this encoding for system notifications, because it seems there are
problems. Would be nice if you could test this on your system too
SlavekB. |
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| _Chris_ | If you have some sparetime. :-) |
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| wsky | hey |
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| wsky | what system monitor for trinity would you recommend? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Take a look at superkaramba :-) |
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| scraiht | wsky: I am using ksysguard and like it. I am also running top in bash. |
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| wsky | well i just ran conky but thanks |
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| wsky | https://www.dropbox.com/s/7a3wqzhtiyu0b1m/zrzut%20ekranu2.png |
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| wsky | this is how it looks like |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Ah you mean with systemmonitor something like cony? If so, superkaramba is something you could like. |
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| _Chris_ | *conky |
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| wsky | yeah i remember superkaramba on 3.5 |
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| wsky | but now that i have conky i don't need it i guess |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
I know conky and used it for a long time before switching to TDE.
Superkaramba is likely a conky for TDE. You need a good theme, there is a
page like trinity-look or something like that, there you can download
themes for it. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
Ah, yes. I never tried to run conky in TDE, I though there could be
some integration problems. But if you are happy with it, all good. |
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| wsky | yeah i just had to turn window shadows |
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| wsky | off |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise ksysguard is nice, one click away at the bottom panel. |
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| scraiht | ...and highly configurable |
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| _Chris_ | You can tune conky a lot if you have time. Same for superkaramba I think. |
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| wsky | i just wonder, why tdm wont login me to trinity |
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| wsky | i had to switch to lightdm back |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: There are some people having this problem. Have you self-build TDE? |
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| wsky | no, i used the precompiled distribution method |
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| _Chris_ | What distribution? |
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| wsky | well a repository for fedora 25 |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
otherwise I had said that you lack pam support with your build, but
that should work. I don't know who is doing the repo for fedora, because
it's RPM-based. |
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| wsky | yeah thanks, i'm out to bed, be back later |
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| wsky | thatnks for developing trinity as well :) |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Good night :-) |
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| pitriss | hehe best monitor is IMO kima..:) |
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| pitriss | but I cant figure out what the heck i need to install to have also CPU core load (percentage) as I had on kima in Kde3.5 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, I will take a look at Kima too. Thanks for the tip :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Nice. Kima works out of the box and finds all my temp and fan sensors.
It just lacks voltages, but for an applet it might be too much anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | CPU frequency it shows too. |
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| _Chris_ | ... and HDD temps. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have read about some TDE/KDE3 toll what is able to "dock" any
application to the systray. Anyone a hint? I don't know the name
anymore, but it might be added some time ago to the TDE repo, but I
can't find it anymore. |
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| _Chris_ | *tool |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: kdocker - longer time I have it here in state "work in progress port to TDE" :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Ah, yes, I think that was the name. I had something in my mind with
"dock" but I only found a MacOS style dock in the TDE repo so far. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | So it's working or not at now? |
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| SlavekB | I considered to modify the application from the 'plain TQt3 application' to 'TDE application'. |
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| _Chris_ | I
mean it was added to TDE repo with a commet like "Because this little
app was to usefull to set dust on." or something like that. |
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| SlavekB | But it required more effort than I had available free time :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Hm, than it was some other app, I really mean I have read some commit message about it. Therefore I came to it. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah, so you added it and removed it afterwards until ready? |
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| SlavekB | Perhaps you mean bug 500. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=500 needs packaging, P5, ---, slavek.banko, NEW , Add window docking application to Trinity |
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| SlavekB | So far never been added to the TDE git repository. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Exactly that message, right. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah, I see. But I know now where I read that message. Thanks. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I am lacking some icons, the "add cd burner" for example, if you want
to add new devices to the desktop. Or the "keyboard" icon in the TDE
Kontrolcenter. Is that known, or maybe a Gentoo specific fault? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: look at ksystraycmd.. can help you with docking |
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| wsky | hello |
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| wsky | is there a way to enable single click file opening in tde like it was possible in kde 3.5? |
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| wsky | ah it is, i got it |
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| wsky | do the trinity dev think about transition to modern qt? |
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| wsky | devs* |
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| wsky | how do i turn system sounds off in trinity? |
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| wsky | because they are being played with delay |
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| wsky | https://www.dropbox.com/s/jq569y5m2i8i1jg/zrzut%20ekranu3.png :D |
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| wsky | hey, when will gtk3 theming be fully supported? |
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| wsky | i mean when gtk3 apps will have the trinity theme fully applied? |
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| wsky | because it works well with gtk2 but, when it comes to gtk3, it looks just bad |
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| wsky | not only that, some theming features are missing |
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| wsky | _Chris_, you there? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Yes, at now. Why you ask? :-) |
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| wsky | well i have few questions regarding the tde project |
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| wsky | for instance when will gtk3 theming be fully supported? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Ah, maybe better to ask SlavekB here, I am just a user. |
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| wsky | ok |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
But gtk3 theming should be supported with some engine, should work if I
am right, but maybe not fully stable at the moment as I know. |
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| wsky | well it applies colors but just that |
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| wsky | other theme featurews are missing |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Ah, I never used it to be honest. |
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| _Chris_ | You mean this? |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/gtk3-tqt-engine/ |
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| wsky | yeah |
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| wsky | i'll show you examples |
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| wsky | let me do some screenshots |
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| _Chris_ | Okay. Can't be wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | And I am compiling it too at now and try it. |
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| SlavekB | http://www.trinitydesktop.org/newsentry.php?entry=2012.11.18 |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, that screenshot was from SlavekB :-) |
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| SlavekB | This screenhost is from Tim :) |
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| SlavekB | *screenshot |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, but I thought at first, it was pasted by wsky, wondering why he linked now at the TDE page ;-) |
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| wsky | _Chris_, SlavekB https://www.dropbox.com/s/uuc5em7xmszm3m8/tde_gtk3.png |
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| wsky | this is what i mean |
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| wsky | and it's not all what's wrong |
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| _Chris_ | But
from the commit history of the git repo, there was not much change
since 2012 when this screenshot was taken. GTK3 is a beast in general. |
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| _Chris_ | Konqueror shows me nothing :-/ |
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| _Chris_ | Let's try palemoon. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Ah I see what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | Let
me test some GTK3 app.... Hope I have some still. I banned mostly all
of them, or using the GTK2 versions of them to be honest. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
No, I am sorry, seems that I don't have one installed anymore. But I
noticed, that besides that without any engine for GTK2, GTK2 apps are
integrating well into TDE it seems. GTK3 changed so much, maybe that's
one of the reasons the development hold on a while now for the
gtk3-tqt-engine. |
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| _Chris_ | The source code is full of something like this: |
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| _Chris_ | / GtkSwitch slider height must be set to the TQt3 scrollbar slider width |
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| _Chris_ | / When GTK provides an option to set the GtkSwitch height, implement theming support for this |
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| _Chris_ | / See upstream GTK bug #688675 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=688675 was not found. |
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| _Chris_ | So seems to this time it was most likely all what was possible to have working. |
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| _Chris_ | And
maybe the engine broke at any point a bit with increasing GTK3 changes.
I mean I had a lot of troubles to get themes working under GTK3 stable,
making them broken under any bigger update. |
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| wsky | yeah gtk3 changes in time |
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| _Chris_ | My
personal opition is, that such toolkits should change a lot less fast
like back in the days. Normal people, users, theme creators had enought
time to react to the changes, creating wonderfull themes and such tings.
This all is not possible anymore without trouble and stress for this
people. |
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| _Chris_ | Look at the qt3 themes, gtk2 themes. Today all is so "business"-centric. |
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| _Chris_ | And people lack motivation if they know their work will be deprecated in such a short time. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
So I simply mean, maybe it don't works perfect. Maybe it will change in
some time to work as good as the GTK2 brother, but at now, maybe it's
not better possible. But I read that GTK3 changes are decreasing because
of... yes.... GTK4 which will arrive "soon". |
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| wsky | :/ |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Are you using a lot of GTK3 applications? |
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| wsky | a few |
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| wsky | mainly firefox and libreoffice |
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| _Chris_ | Do you want to list them? Maybe there are apps from TDE which could work for you. |
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| wsky | but thunderbird gtk3 port is soon to come as well |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes, but they have GTK2 counterparts. |
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| _Chris_ | I have libreoffice working with GTK2 and there are patches for TDE integration. |
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| _Chris_ | If I know right LIbreoffice is having also some style to fit good in KDE. |
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| wsky | how to run libreoffice with gtk2 ? |
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| _Chris_ | And I am using palemoon, which is a fork of firefox and is build per default with GTK2. Maybe it's something for you. |
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| wsky | i'm not finding gtk2 ports of my apps i'm used to very convinient |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
I am under Gentoo Linux here and compile everything from source, so I
simply build it myself. What distribution are you using? Some time ago
there were different versions in package repos of the big distrubutions,
like libreoffice-gtk2, libreoffice-gtk3. |
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| wsky | well i'm on fedora 25 |
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| _Chris_ | And
for thunderbird, maybe you could try Kmail. Just a try. I used before
claws-mail and KMail works good for me so far as replacement. |
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| wsky | hm i got libreoffice-gtk2 plugin installed |
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| wsky | i wonder how to turn it on |
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| _Chris_ | Plugin?
Normaly it is installed *instead* of libreoffice-gtk3. Maybe SlavekB
knows how this works in debian. It's a long time since I used this
binary distributions... |
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| wsky | there are separate plugins for gtk3 and 2 |
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| wsky | how is the trinity libre office integration plugin called? |
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| _Chris_ | Try to go to the konsole/terminal and try to enter libreoffice and show what autocompleting says what commands you can use. |
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| wsky | what is the plugin package called ... |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe something libreoffice-gtk2. |
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| wsky | because i just ran it in gtk2 mode but it's not being displayed well |
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| wsky | i'm asking what's the trinity plugin called |
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| wsky | the plugin for libreoffice integration |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, as I know that are patches. And you have to patch libreoffice yourself.... What would mean building it from source... |
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| wsky | eh |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications#Third-party.2FLibreOffice |
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| _Chris_ | So you have get started libreoffice to use GTK2, you are sure? |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know this plugins. I can either build it with GTK3, fully. Or with GTK2, fully. |
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| _Chris_ | There is a GTK2 engine for trinity. |
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| wsky | yes. i am sure |
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| wsky | don't treat me like an idiot |
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| wsky | i got both gtk3 and 2 plugins installed |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/gtk-qt-engine/ |
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| wsky | when i've chmoded the gtk3 plugin with 700 mode it fell back to gtk2 |
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| wsky | why are you showing me this? |
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| wsky | i got the gtk-qt engine installed |
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| _Chris_ | Ah okay. So gtk2 port of libreoffice doesn't look right? :-/ |
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| wsky | no the buttons dissapears when i hover mouse over one and the theme is "bare" gtk2 but coloured |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I have to try myself now. |
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| wsky | someone should make a package of patched libreoffice for fedora |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that's a good idea. I think there is some maintainer from the trinity
project which you could contact maybe. But I am not sure if he has time
to update libreoffice than regulary. KOffice is no option for you...? |
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| wsky | is koffice any good? |
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| _Chris_ | To
be honst, I am also a LibreOffice user and I am going to switch to
KOffice completely. It is a bit different at first, but you can at least
change it a lot. It is good integrated within TDE and is fast. I am
testing actually to switch for most things to it. To be honest you will
have most likely *some* problems with the filters, so *.doc documents,
or some documents from LibreOffice which are looking different. |
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| wsky | koffice seems to not be able to hilight my grammar mistakes |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
I testing right now Libreoffice-GTK2 with gtk-qt-engine. I haven't
looked myself for the grammar things in KOffice until now but I am sure
that is possible to get working. |
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| _Chris_ | So,
I am back. Yes, at least to me it not looks right. I see buttons, also
with the trinity like icons, but the icons in the toolbar are flickering
between showed/no showed. In spacefm (filemanager) there are some icons
lacking completely. But maybe that's something about the currently
selected theme. |
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| _Chris_ | Palemoon
(also GTK2) works without any problems, but the icons are half way the
GTK2 default ones. But that might be a fault of palemoon, because it is
not using xdg complicant icon names/theme or something like that. I
think it's more complicated as it looks at first. SlavekB are you using
the GTK2/GTK3 engines in TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | A lof of time I used it the other way (making QT4 applications) looking as GTK2 theme. And that worked very well. |
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| _Chris_ | Before switching to TDE. |
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| wsky | i wish trinity would make a transition to qt5 |
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| wsky | like mate does with gtk3 |
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| _Chris_ | But
as I know mate GTK3 is not fully stable too. And QT5 transition would
need a lof of manpower. They tried to make it run with QT4, but
performance was so bad. QT4 is just different and QT5 much more. Some
applications were ported to QT4 of tde, I have read somewhere that they
got at least Kicker and KDesktop running with QT4, but the experience
was not good... Why do you think this would help to integrate your GTK3
applications? |
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| _Chris_ | QT4 does a lot more with GPU. Which is a no go for lower end PCs. |
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| wsky | that would get rid of one toolkit more from linux which is qt3 |
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| wsky | maybe the devs should focus on porting tde to qt5 and integrating it with gtk3 |
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| _Chris_ | In fact it is gone if you think this way. Most distributions kicked it out of the repos long time ago. |
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| wsky | because more and more apps are switching to gtk3 as we speak |
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| _Chris_ | I don't think that this integration things will work ever perfectly. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes
and they all let an option to build with GTK2. I have no application
here in Gentoo, which is not possible to run with GTK2. The audacious
devs said they will never switch to GTK3, they tested it and now try to
port it from GTK2 to QT, but supporting the GTK2 version still. |
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| _Chris_ | The question is more, why there was a need of GTK3.... |
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| _Chris_ | *personal opinion* |
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| wsky | too late to ask |
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| wsky | i loved qt3 and gtk2 times |
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| wsky | all worked pretty decent |
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| _Chris_ | This all are things driven by redhat, started long time ago... |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Right. |
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| wsky | now we have gtk2, gtk3, qt3, qt4 and 5 |
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| _Chris_ | Linux
was at a good way back in the times, but they wanted to make all too
simply for all people. Thinking they would switch from windows to linux
then. The Ubuntu(Gnome2)/Kubuntu(KDE3) times were the best. |
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| wsky | i think microsoft trmbled when they first saw kde3 |
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| wsky | trembled. |
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| _Chris_ | And then there is this "flat" trend. Also such a thing. Systemd etc. |
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| _Chris_ | It's complicated... |
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| _Chris_ | Today
this all is so industry driven. A lot of OpenSource projects are more
likely big business projects, with people getting paid for in big
companies. TDE is in fact not. That's the problem. If you want so it's a
true OpenSource project. Today all is changing too fast. But I know
that all is not giving you your good GTK3 integration :-/ |
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| _Chris_ | But
at least I noticed now that the KPart integration is working very good
within Palemoon(GTK2). I can view *.pdf documents within Palemoon with
Kpdf kpart and the scrollbar looks identical to the one of the native
TDE applications. |
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| wsky | i have no palemoon in my repository |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, they offer an installer on their website. |
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| _Chris_ | http://linux.palemoon.org/ But it is nothing which will be integrated well within TDE too. |
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| _Chris_ | I would be happy to switch completely to konqueror, that would be the best. |
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| wsky | i got a question regarding the lock screen |
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| wsky | it shows the desktop content when i lock it, how to make it display a screensaver or a blank screen instead? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
Hm, it does show the open windows and icons? Not to me. I am using
latest git version and at least there is an option in the settings "Hide
active windows from saver", maybe it's the reason for. I only get the
unlock dialog and the wallpaper of my desktop. |
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| wsky | _Chris_, where is the setting placed? |
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| wsky | ah i found it |
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| wsky | it was called "delay screensaver after locking the screen" |
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| wsky | all sorted out |
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| _Chris_ | I tested it one minute before and if I unselect "hide active windows" I can see the desktop. |
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| _Chris_ | If I am right at least the next version should have this option enabled as default. |
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| _Chris_ | In
the window manager handle besides the minimize and maximize options
there should be a questionmark and if you click on it and afterwards on
the option, it should say for what it is. Not that I think you are
stupid, simply because that was one time now when I discovered this to
be usefull for me :-) |
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| wsky | what
i menat by saying "don't treat me like an idiot" is you were telling me
simple things i learnt 9 years ago back whden i started using linux |
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| wsky | and just because i stopped using gentoo and i use fedora does not mean i'm clueless |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
I am sorry, I am not knowing you personal, nor any other person here is
doing I think. So it is often not easy to try to help without knowing
how much experience or so someone has. I know what you mean. But it was
never meant so. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: No, it's the other way around. I am clueless a bit if it comes to Fedora. |
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| _Chris_ | Back
in the days this libreoffice/openoffice things were handled different
and this plugin-thing looked a bit strange to me and I was not sure what
you meant with "integration for GTK2 with libreoffice" if you meant the
gtk-qt-engine or the patches for libreoffice. That's all. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
was a Fedora user too, I think it was to the "Fedora 10" days, or
something like that. I don't know anymore. But to Gnome2 times. |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't know if you get all TDE applications if you install TDE under
Fedora. There is a list with trinity applications at the webpage. Maybe
you find there some counterparts for your programs. Hexchat which I used
before for example can be replaced with "Konversation" (only for IRC)
or Kopete (For IRC and Jabber and some other protocolls I think). TQT3
is needing not much memory and therefore this applications are a bit
faster. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe nothing important for quadcore machines with a lot of RAM but anyway. :-P |
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| wsky | yes btw, you ctcp versioned me |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| wsky | is this channel ok for offtopic? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: I hope so. As far it's not all the time, I think it should be okay. Why you ask? |
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| wsky | because i wanted to know is it ok for offtopic |
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| wsky | i don't want to be banned if i say something out of my ass |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I thought you are coming up with some special topic. Otherwise someone will say you. |
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| _Chris_ | How did you come to TDE wsky? |
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| wsky | well |
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| _Chris_ | We talked here already about CRT monitors and such things. So I don't think that should be any problem. |
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| wsky | someone on irc told me there is a fork of kde3 few years ago |
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| wsky | i used to love kde3 |
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| wsky | so i actually knew about tde almost since the begining |
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| wsky | it just that i found it buggy and hard to integrate |
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| wsky | by that time |
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| _Chris_ | Ah.
Interesting. I noticed it trought some news website. Following it's
progress for years more or less and finaly was ready to test it. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, same to me a bit. Gentoo is only having a half way working overlay, but I am trying to make it better working. |
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| _Chris_ | Did you try KDE 5 already wsky? |
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| wsky | yeah just foir a glance |
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| _Chris_ | And what do think about it? Just for interest. |
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| wsky | buggy |
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| wsky | like most of linux des |
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| _Chris_ | Ah okay. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have to go AFK now a bit. I never liked KDE4. Not because it was buggy
and had mostly no options back in the days, it was simply that they
trashed all what was good about KDE3, or most. |
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| wsky | _Chris_, https://www.dropbox.com/s/fhb0rcip2qf5mzf/conky1.png |
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| wsky | can anyone tell me how to configure lisa with systemd? |
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| wsky | or possibly some other way? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Sorry, I was AFK. Nice Conky theme. What do you mean with "lisa"? |
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| wsky | it's a kde-specific component daemon |
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| wsky | but i see i can brows smb:/// without it |
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| wsky | browse* |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I have read about it now. Seems to be for lan browsing. But smb:// works, so you don't need it anyway? |
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| wsky | yeah |
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| wsky | smb:/// works as intended |
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| wsky | i just tried the lan browsing feature of conqueror |
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| _Chris_ | I think smb browsing is done via tdeio. |
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| _Chris_ | right. |
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| wsky | and it said it can't do that b/c lisa isn't running |
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| wsky | but typing smb:/// in the address bar just works |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it's just the autodiscovery meant. |
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| wsky | maybe. |
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| _Chris_ | But yes, you would need other scripts for systemd I think. No regular init scripts. I don't know if they are included. |
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| wsky | they're not |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, that's bad. Especially since Fedora changed fully to systemd, right? |
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| wsky | well if fedora switched to systemd entirely the scripts should be included |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can contact the maintainer for Redhat/Fedora packages for giving him some input. |
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| wsky | the lisa deamon came from the trinity fedora repository |
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| wsky | it's a part of trinity |
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| wsky | it has nothing to do with red har |
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| wsky | hat |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, of course, I meant the maintainer of the RPM packages in trinity. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB is for DEB packages (Ubuntu, Debian etc.) |
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| wsky | mhm |
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| _Chris_ | And there is some person here doing the same for RPM based packages. In fact the redhat packages are the fedora ones. |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/fedora |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/redhat |
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| wsky | mhm |
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| _Chris_ | But
because fedora is redhats playground, I think it should be mostly the
same and so, yes systemd script would be a good addition. Maybe there
was simply no one giving this input. |
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| wsky | also how do i apply the trinity theme to qt5 apps?> |
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| _Chris_ | The answer you will most likely dont want to hear :-/ |
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| wsky | well tell me |
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| wsky | i can't probably |
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| _Chris_ | At least I don't know there is a working engine for this existing. Maybe it's under development. |
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| wsky | i see |
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| wsky | well, its hell, i don't blame the devs |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, believe me, I am not happy about it too. But the KDE3 codebase is over 4 millions lines of code. |
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| wsky | yeah, hell. |
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| _Chris_ | There was a lot of work done to get HAL out of trinity (besides under BSD which still needs it). |
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| wsky | true, having hal in 2016 would be.... gah |
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| _Chris_ | Trinity simply lacks devs and it's really not done by a company. |
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| wsky | i understand this. |
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| _Chris_ | The bad is, there are always applications you are needing, using GTK or QT4/QT5. |
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| wsky | yep. |
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| _Chris_ | I am really trying to replace them with working TQT counterparts. Living a bit like in 2008. |
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| wsky | makes sense. |
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| wsky | i still wont aandon firefox |
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| wsky | and libreoffice |
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| wsky | there is hope for libreoffice since there is a gtk2 engine for it |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but some applications are showing it's age. Kopete for example had no
working jabber protocoll a while ago, but SlavekB fixed it again and now
it works. Mostly you will encounter something like that under trinity,
to be honest. Free choice. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
Ah yes right, palemoon and libreoffice are two applications I also
don't want to get ride of so fast and I will try the LibreOffice patches
if I have time and motivation for it. |
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| wsky | i might start using chrome again |
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| wsky | i still use it for 2 flash applications |
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| wsky | but just 2 things, nothing else |
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| _Chris_ | It's using a mix of GTK3 and.... don't know, right? |
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| wsky | well |
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| wsky | it can override the theme |
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| _Chris_ | You can use a plugin for firefox to use flash from chrome in it. |
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| wsky | so it still looks decent despite using gtk3 |
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| wsky | well it's an issue on fedora |
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| wsky | basically flash seems to not work outside chrome |
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| _Chris_ | I used chromium a while, but then switched of. Back in the days opera was nice, using qt3 too. |
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| wsky | tehre is a package for that but i didn't manage to make it work |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. okay. |
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| _Chris_ | Freshplayerplugin or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | But
normaly flash for firefox will be updated again from adobe I read a
while ago. Because chromium will kick out flash completely in some time. |
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| wsky | yeah, fortunetly |
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| wsky | flash is mess |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
and konqueror is not able to have a working flash plugin too. I tested
it a few days ago. I had this fix idea to try to port some commits from
the up to date KDE4/5 KHTML back to the trinity KHTML at least for some
things. I will ask SlavekB again what he thinks about it. The devs tried
to port the QT4 webkit engine to trinity, but I don't know if it works
at now. |
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| _Chris_ | For some things konqueror as browser is still sufficent. So I am using less and less palemoon. |
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| _Chris_ | Besides the rendering of some pages, but we will see. |
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| wsky | ha, i remember having flash in konqueror long time ago |
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| wsky | but thatwas ... long time ago |
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| _Chris_ | Right. I searched the half of the web about it. |
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| _Chris_ | It seems it was working until flash 10 or so. |
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| _Chris_ | Then
there was introduction of xembed for it, than it don't worked anymore,
but was fixed afterwards. And then, there was KDE4. But in KDE4 it
works, also in KHTML. So there has to be some, or some more commits to
make it working again under TDE. In fact I got it working for simple
*swf animations, also some flash games. But not youtube, nor any other
streaming/players. |
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| _Chris_ | But you need people DOING that and that is the problem. |
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| wsky | i
think the trinity team, since it lacks devs should completly abandon
konqueror's web browsing features and focus on things that matter |
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| wsky | because, reality check, no one uses konqueror for web browsing in all of seriousness |
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| _Chris_ | They are doing actually. I don't think that's a actuall goal for 14.1 |
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| wsky | just keep it as a file browser |
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| wsky | there is no way they'll make it a popular (even among just linux users) web browser |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but they will keep the functionality, because some people really loved that about KDE3. |
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| wsky | that was just a trend of the times |
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| wsky | they wanted to compete with ie that way |
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| wsky | it makes no sense this days |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but I have a lot of open tabs in palemoon for example. It really needs
time to start. Before konqueror I used dillo, which lacks CSS fully. Now
I use konqueror and I am happy about it. If I really want to browser,
watching streams or something, I fire up palemoon. |
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| _Chris_ | But.... |
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| wsky | there are other lightweight web browsers |
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| _Chris_ | This problems is having KDE4/5 too. They have KHTML engine AND webkit engine in konqueror too. |
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| _Chris_ | And some people are still prefering the KHTML engine. |
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| _Chris_ | But the engines are only.... 4? |
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| _Chris_ | I
used midori, a fast webbrowser, but I sucked RAM and so on like
firefox, because it's simply the same gecko rendering engine... |
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| _Chris_ | I
have a P4 laptop running TDE. I can have all sorts of applications
open, browsing the web with konqueror and all this with under 512mb RAM.
Just one purpose of it, an example. |
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| wsky | nice |
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| _Chris_ | But.... that's something what would be most likely not possible with QT4 for example. And here all begins... |
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| wsky | alright |
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| _Chris_ | Because
the way QT4 is working differs. The trinity devs want to make all
happy. A lof of people are using trinity on a bit old machines for
example. Some simply loved KDE3, running quadcores. |
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| wsky | so work on qt4/5 and gtk3 integration |
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| wsky | while keeping up development on the qt3 aspect |
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| _Chris_ | Right. And other things, like getting ride of HAL for example... |
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| wsky | i mean visual integration with qt4/5 and gtk3 |
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| _Chris_ | Getting it working fine under BSD... |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | But
another point is.... some applications like palemoon are ignoring xdg
specifications. So native icons can't be used for example as I know. |
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| _Chris_ | And I think LibreOffice too... |
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| _Chris_ | It's complicated, but it's under work as I know. Just believe in it. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
In this commit you can see the email address of the dev doing the RPM
based packages, maybe you can contact him. Or you can report a bug over
the trinity bug tracker. http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/commit/redhat?id=389896a879a7ddb66e1d1413314114f53a98b6fd |
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| wsky | not today, but thanks |
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| _Chris_ | No
problem. Maybe that with the systemd script is simply because no one
before complained about, or no one had use of it until now. |
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| wsky | well not that i need it now when i turns out smb browsing works |
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| wsky | i'd rather want libreoffice to integrate properly |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| pitriss | wsky: I didnt read whole backlok as I dont have so much time but.. there is trinity version of libre office.. |
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| pitriss | backlog* |
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| wsky | pitriss, right but not for fedora 25 |
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| wsky | it's not in the repository |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I think that are only patches which you need to apply yourself. At least that is written in the WIKI. |
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| _Chris_ | Are you running it pitriss? |
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| pitriss | i think there is special repo for this |
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| pitriss | and yes I have it installed.. I dont need that thing as i prefer plaintext documents but i have it installed:) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that are good news. |
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| _Chris_ | And does it integrate well pitriss? |
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| _Chris_ | Plaintext power :-P |
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| wsky | well |
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| _Chris_ | Works always. |
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| wsky | maybe i should switch to plaintext |
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| wsky | it';s not a terrible idea |
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| _Chris_ | Well, for that, there is kate, kwrite and such. :-P |
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| pitriss | yes.. it uses my icon theme, colors are matching.. I wont change anzthing on it:D |
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| _Chris_ | But before that. There is still KOffice. |
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| wsky | has kate got spellchecking tho? |
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| pitriss | wsky: plaintext/markdown both are nice:D I miss some nice addon for kate to show live preview of markdown documents:D |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: You will be wondered, I think, that should be the case. I think most components of TDE has spellchecking integrated. |
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| pitriss | kate yes.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Are you running the GTK2/3 engines of TDE? |
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| wsky | nope |
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| wsky | writing books in plaintext IS a terrible idea |
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| wsky | you need a word processer |
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| pitriss | gtk2 yes. but on debian wheezy theres no gtk3 apps:D |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that I meant before wsky. Some people have different ways to get away from the probelms of this time :-P |
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| _Chris_ | But it does work good pitriss, the GTK2 engine? |
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| _Chris_ | Because I tested LibreOffice GTK2 myself with the GTK2 engine of TDE to see if it works and in fact, there were some problems. |
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| pitriss | idk
as i did some voodoo with qtcurve theme and I'm using it.. its not
rockstable as much as I wish.. but still it works nicely. Sometimes TDE
is not shut-down properly due some error.. but i can live with it. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: So you are using a QT theme to fit to the GTK appplications? |
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| pitriss | http://chytrex.wjake.com/tde/tde-lo.png //libre office.. do you think it fits my theme?:) |
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| pitriss | yes.. exactly i have set up qtcurve also for gtk2 apps |
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| pitriss | trouble were with qt4 as its qtcurve is located differently and cant find settings in trinitys one.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I had this idea also. And in fact I used it before in WindowMaker to
made skype(qt4) fitting my GTK2 themes. Worked well. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. Creative methode. |
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| pitriss | so i needed some voodoo with linking libs and stuff and setting color theme in kde4 systemsettings |
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| pitriss | but now it works, all looks almost the same way:) |
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| pitriss | and now only gtk apps Im using are palemoon and seamonkey.. |
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| wsky | i forgot of seamonkey |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Looks good and you picture worked well in konqueror. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, you said you had some webpage-doing background, right? |
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| wsky | is seamonkey still gtk2? |
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| pitriss | yep i have:) yes, seamonkey is in gtk2 |
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| pitriss | they
keep really oldschool gui while maintianing sufficient version of gecko
to keep webpages happy and not complaining about compatibility issues:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I was not completely sure about that. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Ah, palemoon got devtools working again, just for your information. But
I still use 26.5, before taking a look at 27.0.2. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: for me.. there is huge problem with their approach and new core.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: they ask you to beg at webadmins to _fix_ their webpages to support palemoon.. But they should go back to earth.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, you said, I know. Because of this I am still under 26.5, also because I fear about my tabs. |
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| pitriss | Nobody would like to spent single cent to support something used by few thousand users worldwide.. |
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| pitriss | where chance of being visited from that browser is 1 user from many thousands:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: But you are happy now with seamonkey, right? |
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| pitriss | So nope.. webmasters dont need to fix anything.. Palemoon should fix their core:) |
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| pitriss | ofc.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Gecko engine will be done in some years, mozilla is working on
something different. With samsung, I think the name was "servo". |
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| pitriss | some addons missing (snaplinks, transmission one) but its ok |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I wish opera would be still working fine with QT3 and up to date presto
engine. Yes, it was closed source, but I liked it very much a while. |
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| pitriss | but
mozilla, samsung => they have (sorry for that term) imperial fuckton
of developers.. palemoon have few.. samsung have funds. palemoon..
errr.. I think chances are clear:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Ah, no, I simply meant for information. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: But this will affect most likely seamonkey too in some time. But maybe that will be a long time. |
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| pitriss | yes.. soon can be pretty damn long time:) |
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| pitriss | so Im ok now, and when this happens and seamonkey get troubles, i will start to search for replacement.. atm im really happy:) |
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| pitriss | yeah I did that sum up as explaining why i think that palemoon have no future now. |
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| pitriss | they
have not enough devs, no funds, not big enough userbase to change
anything.. sad but true as I liked that project verz much.. |
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| _Chris_ | You
are most likely right, but I wish them that they are successfull, what
ever that means. I liked their idea of keeping the firefox spirit alive.
A bit like TDE. But now they are changing... |
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| pitriss | it can have future if they have huge userbase and can affect webdevs/webadmins.. :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, right. |
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| pitriss | and
trust me, I tried many browsers.. even vivaldi but its gui is gnome
simplicity taken into absurd level.. Its so simple that its against user
friendlines.. |
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| pitriss | it was so terrible that I couldnt use that even if it were browser with flawless core:) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, Vivaldi, yes I heard much about it. The old opera people. |
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| _Chris_ | But
I have seen what you say simply from the screenshots of it. But hey,
you can have LED backgrounds from phillips with it. That's all you need
:-P |
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| pitriss | but..
for myself.. I wish for up to date core in konqueror. its my wet
dream.. something light, with light core following standards.:D |
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| _Chris_ | But webkit is not as light as I think :-/ |
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| pitriss | lol yeah:D something sparkling, blinking and changing coloru every 5 seconsd:D |
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| pitriss | it
is not.. as new webstandards arent.. html5 is bloated with shitload of
useless things.. pov raytracing, 3d.. i dont think these things are
suitable for web.. web should contain information, in the form available
for all.. including deaf, blind and people with all disorders that make
their life harder.. |
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| _Chris_ | I
will try to port some commits from KHTML engine of KDE4 to the one of
TDE and testing it myself. Just for interest. I know, that's no long
term solution, but at least some improvement. I will need some second
browser anyway. Do you still use konqueror for some quick browsing or
such things? |
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| pitriss | yeah I appreciate your effort much..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, there was a time they wanted to archive this goal, with XHTML. |
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| _Chris_ | But then there was the try to create XHTML 2.0 and then all began. |
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| pitriss | yep I remember them as I were webcoder in these times.. |
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| _Chris_ | I know good the news, about forms and so they wanted to introduce, with a syntax which was so complicated.... |
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| pitriss | but xHTML is still clear, logic, and valid.. Its more bloated as its closer to verbose xml but stil usable:) |
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| _Chris_ | It was a good way. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I did some websites for fun to this time myself. With PHP/MySQL. I also
had mutiple forums running with phpBB2. That was a epic time too. But
before XHTML. |
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| pitriss | I
wish there can be gecko for konqueror.. I mean.. keep khtml for simple
pages and optionally eg by address, possible to force display in gecko
inside konqueror..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, me too. Like done in KDE4, you can change the engine to webkit. |
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| pitriss | but gecko is too much tied to GTK I'm afraid |
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| _Chris_ | There was some port, but that was long time ago. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: aww that would be really awesome result.. trinity konqueror with gecko, khtml and webkit.. awww:D |
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| pitriss | and I really not blame browsers for being resource hungry as its all caused by overusing javascript.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Exactly! |
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| pitriss | all
these ajax things, responsive designs controlled by js are just PITA..
Webpage shouldnt make 2 cores of your cpu get to max frq:D |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly
it happens quite often.. and best it is when its caused by snowing on
the webpage.. realy wise use of MY resources and MY electricity..:) |
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| pitriss | I would like these webmasters to pay my bills lol |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, that's right. Most sites aren't working these days without JS. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Back in the days that was something to not do when starting to do webpages. |
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| pitriss | I remember rule I followed like saint thing.. EVERY JS thingy MUST have NO SCRIPT version.. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| pitriss | eg menu.. |
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| pitriss | site without navigation is useless.. most screen readers cant read JS.. so it affect also blind people.. |
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| _Chris_ | So you think if someone would port all comits from KHTML from KDE4 to TDEKHTML, then this would be as slow as Webkit? |
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| pitriss | I
needed to leave that job years ago.. as more clients demanded things I
was not able to do just ebcause it wasnt possible to do it right:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, but I think they don't think anymore about this usecases.
Important is that it is exiting and flat and it has to change when you
scroll. Making a menu useless. |
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| pitriss | I think its way too much effort for uncertain result:) |
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| pitriss | better would be to take existing tested core (gecko/webkit) and do layer for konqueror to allow it to work with konq..:) |
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| _Chris_ | CSS and lacking HTML tags is not as bad as pages which don't show any picture in konqueror, like this dropbox webpage. |
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| pitriss | it would have more sense as hard job will be done by external team (eg these guys around webkit) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I think this was/is mostly working for webkit-qt4. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, but they are mostly apple and as you said about palemoon, they don't care about some people using trinity... |
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| wsky | _Chris_, pitriss https://www.dropbox.com/s/e0wojqooy76l7kz/panel2.png |
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| pitriss | thats
why i wrote about layer.. we need to do something to allow their work
here. not vice versa.. so "simple" layer thats handle its requirements
and translates them to tqt seems as most viable way |
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| wsky | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e6kl5c8ybiu2ssy/zrzut%20ekranu12.png |
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| wsky | this is how it looks like |
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| _Chris_ | TQT is to do this to QT4. And webkit works with QT4 already. |
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| _Chris_ | *TQinterface I mean. |
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| wsky | i think the shading is too heavy |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Just one moment, I need palemoon. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: if there way how we can connect qt4 webkit with konq, wow.. I will be happy.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
maybe one thing i will miss in konqueror will be user styles as I'm
using stylish addon quite a lot:D as many sites have so much design
flaws, I'm fixing them localy:D |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: What exactly you wanted to show me? About the window shading? |
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| wsky | _Chris_, i wanted to share the texture i made for hte panel .... |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Wow, really? Never heard of people fixing localy things. But nice, so it is having a use case :-) |
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| wsky | [23:20:18] <wsky> _Chris_, pitriss https://www.dropbox.com/s/e0wojqooy76l7kz/panel2.png |
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| wsky | that's the texture |
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| wsky | looks bit like windows xp XD |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Ahhh, I have maybe overseen it. Just one moment :-) |
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| wsky | i think i could add bit noise |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
yeah.. I have many user styles here.. mostly fixing font sizes, or
hiding broken/annoying ads.. I'm not agains ads.. if they dont make 75%
of my traffic..:D |
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| pitriss | wsky: looks good to me.. but I'm not graphic guy, and I dont like green color too much:D |
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| wsky | well you can set it to whatever color in the panel settings |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Yes, to me too. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Yes, that was exactly what I wanted to test at now :-) |
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| wsky | _Chris_, what you wanted to test? |
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| pitriss | wsky: ahh so its only overlay.. which have alpha channel |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: I have set my to blue now too. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I don't know exactly how it works, but it works as the from TDE provided graphics. |
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| pitriss | wsky: if so, you can use simmilar picture to your win deco as crystal windeco supports overlays..:) |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: To change the color. Like pitriss did. |
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| _Chris_ | But green looks a bit like XP, nice. |
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| pitriss | actually only gloss effect is on my win deco, lol.. rest is one gradient and one single color:D |
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| wsky | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e0wojqooy76l7kz/panel2.png |
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| wsky | that's bit corrected |
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| wsky | i think i should change black to dark green |
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| wsky | because black desaturates |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: I don't know which is "better" I think that's personal preference. |
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| wsky | well i hate the desaturation |
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| wsky | i'm not color blind |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| wsky | also trinity makes 8GB of RAM a lot again |
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| wsky | i got a shitto of stuff running |
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| wsky | shit ton |
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| _Chris_ | Right. That's true. |
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| _Chris_ | What you used before wsky? |
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| wsky | only 4GB filled while it would be around 6 on onther des |
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| wsky | right before now? mate. |
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| pitriss | hehe yeah.. but thats the point.. I didnt found any valid reason why DE should be seen on your resource meter:) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, something I wanted to take a look at too. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
Before I switched to TDE, I used windowmaker and fvwm-crystal. Simple
WMs, crystal is some kind of a semi light des around fvwm. |
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| wsky | i used gnome 2, 3, kde 3, 4, 5, xfce4, fluxbox, dwm, enlightenment |
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| wsky | what else |
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| wsky | i tried razorde just for the kicks of it |
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| pitriss | lol.. i have 8GB RAM too.. and I'm using something more than 4GiB included ALL caches etc:D |
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| wsky | well i got 2 browsers, gimp, two different file managers, steam,, hexchat, libreoffice ... |
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| wsky | running at the time |
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| _Chris_ | So
I use a bit more RAM with TDE, but you have to see this in a whole
picture. Under a simple WM you need RAM for loading GTK or QT too. Now
under TDE, I have TQT in my RAM and can start up several TQT
applications, with less RAM. So if I am using TDE applications, I am
using less RAM. But have more functiality from Kicker/Kdesktop and so
on. |
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| pitriss | razor was nice try.. but now when they did LXDE-QT ewww.. Theres nothing lightweight on QT5 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I am using ZRAM here too, knowing it from my smartphone. |
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| wsky | mumbles |
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| wsky | what else |
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| wsky | and it fits in 4 GB |
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| wsky | great |
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| wsky | actually turns out i had 3 differnet browsers running |
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| _Chris_ | Hehe. |
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| wsky | and i set kde to not save memory at all |
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| pitriss | wsky: yeah.. and tbh.. TDE apps are way better than their KDE4 counterparts.. most of apps was nerfed.. konversation, kmail.. |
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| wsky | nerfed? |
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| pitriss | yep.. many features still missing |
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| pitriss | they removed functionality and never put them back.. So I'm really glad for kmail in trinity.. |
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| pitriss | best mailclient i ever used.. |
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| wsky | i will stick to thunderbird until it switches to gtk3 |
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| wsky | i just got used to it |
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| pitriss | And have no problem with multiple gigs of mails like thinderbird had back in the days |
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| wsky | gotta store the mails you say |
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| pitriss | that was actually reason to switch to kmail.. np with it.. use what you like..:) |
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| pitriss | i would love some QT4 apps alternatives in TQT..:) qmpdclient and qstardict:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: So you mean, like this apps, but using TQT? |
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| pitriss | but it doesnt matter as I have qt4 loaded because of vacuum-im jabber client:) |
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| pitriss | exactly.. |
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| pitriss | when I look at currently running apps then. only seamonkey, vacuum, qstardict and qmpdclient arent TDE ones:) |
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| wsky | 23:48:20 up 1 day, 7:54, 1 user, load average: 0,67, 0,59, 0,77 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I used before KMail claws-mail and it is very similar, but I have seen
some nice additions, which are better as in claws. But one question I
had ever: How you can make the cols like "name" "date" and so on set the
way that they are preserving their size? I resize them, restart and
they are like before. |
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| pitriss | maybe even kde gui for qalculate would be nice as its IMO best calculator for linux:) |
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| wsky | that's this one trinity session |
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| wsky | working stable so far |
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| wsky | i'm getting hungry brb |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Theoretically all is here people could write new apps for TDE, that
would be wonderfull. I have read about some people thinking about at the
mailinglist. |
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| pitriss | hmm they are as i set them I think.. |
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| pitriss | (cols in kmail) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: If I set them, exit the application and restart KMail, they are like before. |
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| pitriss | but I cant tell what i set up and where as I copied a lot of conf files directly from KDE3.5 |
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| wsky | back |
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| wsky | what you guys think about prostitution |
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| pitriss | ahh ok.. now tested.. yes, probably bug.. |
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| wsky | should it be legal or not |
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| pitriss | wb wsky |
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| wsky | tx |
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| wsky | i know this is offtopic |
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| wsky | i specifically asked about offtopic on this channel before |
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| pitriss | lol, it should be legal so country can set taxes..:) |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Okay, that's fair. All good. |
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| wsky | so what about sex slavery then? |
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| wsky | is it any different? |
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| _Chris_ | The difference is the money I think. |
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| wsky | because from what i know amsterdam should be hit with a hydrogen bomb |
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| wsky | and half of europe |
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| wsky | sex slavery everywhere |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, so it lost your cols now too? |
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| wsky | cols? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: yes.. i never noticed that as I have it fullscreen all the time and no need to have colls wider |
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| wsky | anyways, i thjink people responsible for sex enslaving should be cought and executed |
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| wsky | in public |
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| pitriss | wsky: columns in kmail.. col is valid webcoding term so I understood without problem, sorry:D |
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| wsky | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccl0w1NfpKA |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Hm, it's a complicated topic. Maybe it will change, from which county you are coming? |
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| wsky | i know you don't know polish |
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| pitriss | ok guys.. I'm going afk again.. ty for nice convo.. see you later:) |
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| wsky | but this song tells a story of a young, naive girl getting bait into working in the western europe |
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| _Chris_ | Moment, for youtube, yes - I need palemoon. |
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| wsky | and ending up being raped and sent to a brothel |
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| _Chris_ | You are coming from poland? |
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| wsky | _Chris_, smplayer has youtube integration |
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| pitriss | wsky: Pozdro do Polski z Bogumina:D (Przy granicy z Chalupkami) |
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| wsky | yeah, i come from Poland, i live here all my life long |
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| pitriss | sorry if it wasnt spelled 100% correctly:D |
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| _Chris_ | I am from Germany. |
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| wsky | pitriss, i thought you're polish for a second :FD |
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| wsky | _Chris_, yes, german, it's blooming with sex slavery as well |
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| wsky | germany* |
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| wsky | i can tell from your domain |
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| pitriss | wsky: nope.. Czech but had many friends from poland:D |
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| wsky | also you act very german |
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| wsky | pitriss, ahoi |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Oh, I act very german? |
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| wsky | yeah |
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| wsky | the way you type |
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| wsky | i chated with many german before |
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| wsky | germans* |
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| wsky | see i tell you how i know it |
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| wsky | (aside your hostname) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, sounds interesting to me. How do I type? You mean my good English grammar? :-) |
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| wsky | i mean you're very extensive on topics you type on |
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| wsky | you can tell a lot about things you're speaking about |
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| wsky | and you have no regrets for doing that |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: I like you. You are good. |
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| wsky | tx] |
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| wsky | but that includes only germans that didn't live in usa |
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| wsky | germans that live in usa are differnet |
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| wsky | very often aggressiv |
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| wsky | aggressive. |
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| _Chris_ | Really? How this comes? |
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| wsky | well america changes people, hard to tell |
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| _Chris_ | So it is something good about me, or not? |
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| wsky | as far as you don't go to usa :D |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: I think I am different in general. I am very critical about manipulation. |
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| _Chris_ | From psychological context. |
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| wsky | that's what they all say |
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| _Chris_ | Hm okay, fair. |
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| _Chris_ | I thought you will leave TDE completely in some time, because of the GTK/QT5 integration. But it's still not the case, hm? |
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| wsky | no |
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| wsky | i knew it will be an issue |
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| wsky | but i feel like a kid trying linux again :D |
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| wsky | it's so much to do in tde |
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| _Chris_ | That's good :-) |
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| wsky | so many options so many bugs ... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know that feeling, it's something exiting, ironically. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, wait, I want you to show my actuall superkaramba theme. |
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| wsky | wgo for it |
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| wsky | show the whole desktop |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.trinity-look.org/p/1105311/ |
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| wsky | eh modern -looks.org |
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| wsky | tehy require javascript |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| wsky | just dump a screenshot somewhere |
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| _Chris_ | No, just wanted to show you how superkaramba can look like. :-P |
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| wsky | i love sharing desktop screenshots |
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| _Chris_ | My
desktop at this machine is nothing exiting. I am using pretty much
defaults, half working. I running this theme since 2 days and want to
make it fitting to my needs. |
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| _Chris_ | But
that's something I thought about the trinity webpage. Maybe it would be
good to show some more exiting screenshots, with superlaramba for
example or something like that. |
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| wsky | i'm fine with conky |
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| wsky | it can monitor _anything_ linux provides |
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| wsky | and does not need any complicated scripting |
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| wsky | the config syntax is pretty straight forward |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, right. That's true. It's so powerfull. But you know what? Superkaramba can do the same, but maybe a bit more complicated. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Yes, there was a time, conky was not under development, is that right? |
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| wsky | i'm unsure |
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| wsky | anyways, i remember using superkaramba and i rememebr it being better than kde4 plasmoids |
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| wsky | less buggy and faster |
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| _Chris_ | It was ported to KDE4 too I think. |
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| wsky | yawn |
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| _Chris_ | Hm? :-) |
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| wsky | _Chris_, eh, that's just my running phrase on irc |
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| wsky | when there is nothing going on and i'm bored i go like "yawn" |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Ah, I thought about something like this already ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | I will go AFk at now. I wish you a all other reading here a good night. :-) |
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| wsky | nite |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Any tip to view multi-tiff documents (like fax in trinity) or better to print? |
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| Chris_ | Okay, I converted it now with tiff2pdf to a *.pdf file. But the question is still relevant. |
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| wsky | _Chris_, https://www.dropbox.com/s/hpfd730u2kfl30n/zrzut%20ekranu14.png |
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| _Chris_ | wsky:
Nice, looks good to me. Your green background for kicker looks good in
this setup too :-) I have to be AFK now for some time. |
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| wsky | alright |
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| wsky | _Chris_, EH |
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| wsky | i had to write a silly workaround script to make terminal transparencyt going |
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| wsky | _Chris_,
basically if i run twin with composite option not all of the konsole
composite features work and i can't see the background in trnsparent
konsole |
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| wsky | but if turn it off and run just xcompmgr the transparency feature of konsole does not work at all |
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| wsky | but, if i run xcompmgr _after_ i run twin with composition and turn twin composition off i get it properly working |
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| wsky | so i had to run a startup script with twin --replace --disablecompositionmanager and then run xcompmgr |
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| wsky | annoying |
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| wsky | ok how do i make trinity hide what's on the screen when i lock it? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Hm, did we have that not already? Screensaver Settings -> "Hide active windows from saver". |
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| wsky | _Chris_, i have no such setting |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Oh, but you did it worked last time for screensaver, or not? |
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| _Chris_ | *say |
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| wsky | not really |
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| wsky | i thought it did |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, then it seems that is something what comes with R14.1 |
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| wsky | but when i move the mouse while the saver is running it shows the desktop with lock window |
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| _Chris_ | Right, that is if I unselect this option. |
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| wsky | alright, when will you push R14.1 to fedora 25? |
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| _Chris_ | I am no dev. That are SlavekB, kb9vqf and other ones. |
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| _Chris_ | I have no idea wsky. Before it 14.05 will show up I think. So a bugfix release. |
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| wsky | ah so 14.1 is still not released yet |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Still under work. |
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| wsky | alright |
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| _Chris_ | But I was sure it did work out of the box in KDE3 this way. But it seems it was not. |
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| wsky | _Chris_, did you read about my workaround to make transparency work in konsole? XD |
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| _Chris_ | And
after R14.1 is out, it will arrive in short time for Fedora/Redhat too
as I know. There is one person at trinity team which does this packages
for your distribution and other RPM based distributions as I know. |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Ah, yes, sorry. I have read it. I never used real transparency in TDE. But seems to be strange, but good if it "works". |
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| wsky | well took me few minutes to make it work |
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| wsky | but it's a dirty, dirty workaround that should not be needed |
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| _Chris_ | Right, I don't know if there is any bug report about it so far, otherwise you could make one. |
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| wsky | i probably should look it up |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: I didn't find something like that in the bugtracker from quick search. Maybe that's something new. |
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| wsky | _Chris_, http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2737 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug
2737: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Transparency. Konsole does not
display background content under it other than the wallpaper. |
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| wsky | i just added it |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Nice, looks good to me. |
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| SlavekB | Option "Hide active windows from saver" is available also in R14.0.x branch. |
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| wsky | not on my end |
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| SlavekB | It was pushed to GIT long time before release R14.0.0: |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/commit/?id=02d43b79 |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Maybe it is called different in your language? |
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| _Chris_ | It should be above the option "Hide cancel button". |
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| wsky | well yeah, you're right, it's there |
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| wsky | bbut it still does show the screen content when i move the mosue |
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| wsky | i missed it, it's there |
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| wsky | but it still does not work as it should |
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| wsky | the screen content is visible when i move the mouse around |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, not to me. Nothing compositor related? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way, have you read what I wrote about arts-xine plugin and my
sound problems? If so, did you notice any knotify related sound problems
for some sounds after installung it? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: I have not tried it yet. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: No problem. Let me know if you did. |
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| wsky | can i make my touchpad click when i tap it in tde? |
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| wsky | _Chris_, SlavekB ^ |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: Hm, there was something like this if I remember right. Are you having a VAIO (Sony) device? |
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| SlavekB | It should be possible to adjust in Xserver configuration: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Frequently_used_options |
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| SlavekB | On my EeePC I use: |
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| SlavekB | Option "TapButton1" "1" |
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| SlavekB | Option "TapButton2" "3" |
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| SlavekB | Option "TapButton3" "2" |
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| wsky | SlavekB, can i load the config without restarting X? |
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| wsky | with a signal perhaps? |
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| wsky | _Chris_, it's a thinkpad |
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| wsky | SlavekB, alright, it works |
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| wsky | how do i reset icon cache of tde? |
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| wsky | or is there anything like it in tde? |
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| wsky | because wehn i try to change an activator icon now it hangs up on 85% and memory leaks |
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| wsky | which leads to system lock up because of oom |
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| a-865 | apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys F5CFC95C produces GPG error NO_PUBKEY 608F5... |
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| SlavekB | a-865: F5CFC95C is key for official stable releases, while 608F5293A04BE668 is my key used for Preliminary Stable Builds |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: I'm trying to install any flavor of TDE on a fresh stretch installation. prelim or stable I really don't care which. |
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| a-865 | mirror.xcer.ca is my configured source |
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| a-865 | mirror.xcer.cz is my configured source |
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| a-865 | mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb is my configured source |
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| SlavekB | Stable is not available for Stretch. That's why you're correctly chose the Preliminary Stable Builds. |
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| SlavekB | However, you need to import the key corresponding to Preliminary Stable Builds repository. |
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| SlavekB | apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668 |
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| SlavekB | ...as is described on wiki ;) |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| a-865 | I guess my problem is I never find that URL unless you put it up here :-p |
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| a-865 | on
a minimal Stretch installation, trinity-tdm and tdebase-trinity don't
require X, so apparently none of xorg gets installed until specifically
directing X to be installed :-p |
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| a-865 | on
a minimal Stretch installation, trinity-tdm and tdebase-trinity don't
require an X server, so apparently the server gets installed only if
specifically directing it to be installed :-p |
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| SlavekB | a-865: xserver-xorg is in tdm-trinity as recommends. |
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| a-865 | TDE/X worked OK via startx in multi-user.target only until I installed kgtk-qt3-trinity :-p |
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| a-865 | purging it fixes |
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| SlavekB | Yes, kgtk-qt3 is a known killer :) |
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| a-865 | this is probably my first 32-bit Stretch/TDE - success, on an Athlon XP 2100+ |
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| a-865 | proof one doesn't need a high HP newer machine :-) |
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| a-865 | 1G RAM |
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| * SlavekB is going to sleep. |
| a-865 | sleep is good |
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| pitriss | Guys any ideas how to do some kind of "hot corner" in trinity?:) |
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| pitriss | or
just.. is there way how to disable DPMS of the screen based on cutsor
position?:) I have set up only to turn off screen after 20 minutes and I
would love to disable that temporarily if my cursor is parked in top
left corner of the screen |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I don't know if it works for DPMS, but for screen locking/screensaver
there is a setting "advanced settings" in "screensaver settings" and you
can define a corner for which you can disable screenlock. But maybe you
are knowing that already? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
ahh ill look there.. I thought about user cronjob checking for mouse
position every lets say 5 minutes and perform some action, to interrupt
that "idle timer" |
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| pitriss | but question is.. what action will not interrupt normal work? :)) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Okay, I think doing a cronjob is very overkill. Hehe. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Maybe this option disables this idle timer. So DPMS is also deactivated. Give it a try. |
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| pitriss | ok there are only 2 options.. force lock / forbid locking |
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| _Chris_ | On
the right hand side there should be a screen showing the selected
screensaver and under that screen there should be "advanced settings". |
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| _Chris_ | And there is an option: "Screencorner Actions". |
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| pitriss | yep.. i fond that already.. |
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| pitriss | But I dont use screen locking.. |
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| pitriss | so these options are useless for me I guess |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Hm, but give it a try, maybe it is also disables the idle timer.
Otherwise, that would be a nice addition for next TDE version. :-P |
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| pitriss | of course.. but it could be nice to have there more options.. |
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| pitriss | eg Disable DPMS/Force DPMS etc..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Right. That would be an nice addition. |
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| pitriss | ok confirmed.. not working.. |
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| _Chris_ | :-( |
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| pitriss | nevermind.. ill find a way.. script may work I guess.. but need to find what action i should emulate |
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| _Chris_ | But you have to start it, this script if you are doing something specific, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I have read it again, all good. |
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| _Chris_ | You could simply execute a command which deactivates DPMS? |
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| pitriss | thats
not what I thought about.. More like check if cursor is in range lets
say 0-50px and if yes, just do something to pretend user input.. |
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| pitriss | and if this will run every 5 or 10 minutes should emulate hot corner |
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| _Chris_ | But you want to do that user input to deactivate the idle timer, right? With result that DPMS will not kick in? |
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| pitriss | which will prevent screen turning off |
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| _Chris_ | And if you leave the hot corner, the cronjob can activate DPMS again. |
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| _Chris_ | Because I don't know what user input could be "right" for that job, hm. |
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| pitriss | maybe move mouse for 5px right and back:) |
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| _Chris_ | Theoretically. Would be interesting if this works in real life :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: hehe tomorrow ill see.. Today I'm too lazy to test it:D |
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| stj | Hi, I'm having problems getting compiz v8 running, was wandering if anyone might know how to get ccsm running |
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| pitriss | and maybe some day in that hot corner menu will be options to temporarilly Force off dpms etc:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | stj: Hm, I am sorry, I don't know much about compiz. |
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| stj | no worries. Do you know of somebody on the channel who does? (even if they arent here now) |
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| pitriss | stj: i cant help.. never needed compiz |
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| _Chris_ | stj: Hm, you can try to ask SlavekB. He knows a lot. But I am not sure about compiz. |
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| stj | hehe thnx |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
For mounting devices and automounting and such, you can build with
upower, udisk, and udisk_old support tdelibs. Actually I am using
tdelibs without any of these supports. What is the default/recommended
way and what is the difference here? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
With the new "design" of the new GIMP versions I am feeling like
handicapped. I don't know how people come to this ideas. |
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| mirda | hello |
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| mirda | _Chris_: do you mean single window gimp? i don't like it too |
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| _Chris_ | mirda: Yes and all design is inverted in color. I am feeling as they think people are stupid or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't know if single window is default now. I still have it the other
way, but seems it's time to quit GIMP anyway. Seems the "modern" time is
arriving to them too. GTK3 change is coming too. |
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| _Chris_ | But default will be still GTK2 some time anyway. |
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| wsky | o/ |
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| _Chris_ | And
it seems libreoffice will be the next: "LibreOffice is working on a
pretty significant overhaul of its interface that would have the
productivity suite adopt a new toolbar design similar to the Microsoft
Office Ribbon UI." |
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| mirda | omg |
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| _Chris_ | mirda: Hm? |
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| mirda | that libreoffice I know has the best interface for a work imo |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
I have forgotten about that already. Yes, maybe they will leave us some
option to change, who knows. But I don't think that will be a long
therm solution. World is changing :-/ |
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| _Chris_ | Needing much less RAM would be a better goal for LibreOffice from my point of view. Hm. |
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| mirda | yes |
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| mirda | I hope that they will give us a chance to choose which interface to work with |
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| _Chris_ | Some
years ago they wanted to change that already, but I think a lot of
people were against it. But now they want to try it again. |
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| _Chris_ | mirda: Just for interest, are you using this TDE integration patch with LO? |
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| mirda | _Chris_: I think that I don't use TDE integration patch, but I am not sure |
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| mirda | I don't use LO often |
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| SlavekB | Beware before LO >= 4.4.x with TDE integration - see bug 2448 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2448 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , LibreOffice 4.4.x or newer (jessie-backports) with TDE integration |
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| _Chris_ | mirda:
Ah, because that has to be changed again I fear. We just talked about
that last time. I still want to test if Koffice from TDE is sufficent
for my things to do. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh, thanks. I think pitriss is using it as I know. |
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| _Chris_ | But might be with a older LO. |
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| SlavekB | I use LO 4.3.3 (jessie and wheezy-backports) with TDE integration. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: But some kind of these toolbar vanishing problem I had alone with gtk-tqt-engine and using LO-GTK2 port. |
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| SlavekB | Also occasionally... |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Maybe it has also to do with LO and GTK-tqt-engine? |
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| SlavekB | gtk-qt-engine has various problems |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
It seems to be that LO is not fully using GTK2 anymore, some kind of
overlay. I had that feeling since a longer time. But I am not sure. This
"plugins-GTK2" thing speaks for this too. A bit like firefox, which is
using xulrunner in background for widgets. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
gtk-tqt-engine is working fine at least with applications which are
really using GTK2 direct and also using icons after xdg specification,
at least that is my experience. It fails if applications like "spacefm"
are using some kind of magic, which is not the default way. That's my
experience. If applications are simply not using xdg icons for example,
gtk-tqt-engine can't replace them with the native ones from currently |
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| _Chris_ | selected tqt-theme. |
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| wsky | what bugs will 14.05 solve? |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: I think that is a start to get an overview -> http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2696 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2696: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.0.5 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| SlavekB | http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/showdependencytree.cgi?id=2696 |
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| _Chris_ | But I think SlavekB has done some things more just directly in GIT repo. |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.5 |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: By the way, xine-lib is maintained again/still, more or less: https://anonscm.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib-1.2/ Works good with kaffeine and Amarok too. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_:
You can build tdelibs with the support of all - udisks, udisks2,
upower... Everything is used by the dbus call == not add dependencies on
other libraries and is used according to what the user will have
installed at runtime. |
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| SlavekB | Take for example the Debian/Ubuntu: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/squeeze/tdelibs/debian/rules |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Ah, okay, but if I don't use neither udisk2 nor upower? What is than
used for mounting? And for what is used upower? I mean there is
tdepowersafe with tdehw for hibernate and such things, which works fine
without upower? |
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| SlavekB | For mouting can be used udisks / udisks2 / udevil / pmount. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah, I have udevil because of spacefm. So that is used most likely. And what is UPower for? |
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| SlavekB | logindpower / upower / systemd are for suspend / hibernate / reboot / shutdown. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah, I see. But there nothing what is most probed to be best working so far? |
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| SlavekB | For mounts is a good choice udisks2 => is used also in other environments == provides the same behavior. |
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| SlavekB | For powersave is a good choice tdehwlib daemon. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Okay thanks. So I will try to build it with udisk2. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: And tdehwlib will be used if I don't compile tdelibs with UPower, right? |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | I take that as "yes". :-P |
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| SlavekB | yes (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | I thought that tdehwlib uses UPower. |
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| SlavekB | upower is not neccessary - with tdehwlib-daemon can be used directly 'sysfs'. |
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| _Chris_ | ok. |
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| _Chris_ | But
there is no setting file, which controls some kind of preference, or?
So I don't need to remove udevil, because I want to use udisk2 backend
now with tdelibs for example. Or is getting udisk2 priority over udevil
anyway? |
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| SlavekB | Priority is "simply" by order in source code: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/tree/tdecore/tdehw/tdestoragedevice.cpp#n1087 |
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| _Chris_ | That makes sense. |
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| SlavekB | As I said - you can allow all methods and will be used what is available :) |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. So I will try udisks2 now, and simply tdehwlib daemon, without upower, good choice? :-P |
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| SlavekB | (Y) :) |
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| _Chris_ | Kicker crashed :-( |
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| _Chris_ | It's
crashing one time a day. Is that something known SlavekB? I am not
complaining, just asking. Besides the fact I am using git branch it's
nothing important, I am just asking. |
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| _Chris_ | Most
of the time I am searching in the menu, or doing right click on the
Desktop. It simply crash. So I run "kicker" and it is back again. |
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| Space_Man | what's the kicker? |
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| Space_Man | nothing crashes here :P |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Space_Man: Ah, was that a real question? If so. Kicker is the panel at the bottom. |
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| Space_Man | thanks |
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| Space_Man | i've mine set to autohide |
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| _Chris_ | Space_Man: No problem, I thought it was some kind of joke hehe. |
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| Space_Man | it used to crash / disappear in kde3 days |
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| _Chris_ | Space_Man: Are you using latest git version of TDE or stable builds from debian or such? |
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| Space_Man | but it does it thing quite happily, it hasn't had an issue for many years |
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| _Chris_ | Space_Man: I could be some regression. Maybe I should search in the bugtracker if there is some kind of regression there. |
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| Space_Man | 14.0.5 from SlavekB repos |
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| Space_Man | and ubuntu 14.04 |
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| _Chris_ | 14.0.5? Was it released already? |
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| Space_Man | I guess so! |
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| Space_Man | the help pages say "... release R14.0.5 (Development) |
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| _Chris_ | Space_Man: Hm, trinity website says 14.0.4 only. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, so it is maybe simply 14.0.x branch or something like that. Okay. |
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| Space_Man | then I guess I must be using a testing branch |
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| _Chris_ | Space_Man:
Yes, but a testing branch for 14.0.x only. I am using 14.1.0 branch
here. Also testing, but more "unstable". But I have to say for that, it
works without any problems. Besides that, but it might be a Gentoo
specific problem, or because of my compile flags. |
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| Space_Man | blame gentoo :P |
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| _Chris_ | Space_Man:
Yes, TDE in Gentoo is something unofficial. There is some half working
overlay for it, from which you can built it and I am advancing/fixing it
and share my results later. So it might be because of Gentoo. Binutils
2.25 for example (for building) are not working to build TDE on 32bit
for example. But in Debian it works with this binutils version. You see.
Strange. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: here is one known bug 2573 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, CONFIRMED , [Regression] Kicker frequent crashes on R14.0.3-pre |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh. Is it still valid? But otherwise in this case all people using R14.0.4 should have the same problems. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
it is still valid. Additionally label 'regression' is incorrect, since
this bug is significantly older - this also applies to 3.5.x branch. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I understand. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I reproduced that crash now. |
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| _Chris_ | But what happens to my Kicker was something different from that I think. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I rebuild with udisk. Is there any need to change something afterwards?
Because I can't get any write rights to the device. I can only read. |
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| wsky | _Chris_, how are you |
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| _Chris_ | wsky: All good to me, and you? :-) |
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| wsky | smoking a spliff so not too bad |
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| _Chris_ | Have fun :-) |
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| wsky | \o/ |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: About permissions on mounted folder decides udisks2 / udisk. |
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| SlavekB | This can be controlled, for example by policykit + consolekit. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do I need both of them? I think I have policykit, but not consolekit. |
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| SlavekB | I think that consolekit is for this fundamental. |
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| e1z0_ | yo |
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| Dobigeon | Hello there =) |
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| stj | hi, quick question, whom do I talk to/mail about adding/maintaining packages for your ubuntu repos? (not actually developing) |
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| _Chris_ | stj: I think that is SlavekB. I am not sure if he is here actually. Otherwise wait a bit :-) |
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| stj | _Chris_: thnx :) |
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| wsky_ | how do i set static dns servers in trinity? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Have you talked with stj already? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: I've been around most of the day away from the computer - that's why I have not talked with stj. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: No problem SlavekB :-) I just wasn't sure if he has talked to you direct already. |
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| MutantTu1key | kb9vqf: ping |
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| kb9vqf | pong |
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| MutantTu1key | hi |
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| MutantTu1key | i think paypal may offer a newer donate style now |
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| MutantTu1key | as in, it probably kept the link you generated X years ago alive so as not to break links |
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| MutantTu1key | but a newer one, maybe better supported, exists now |
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| MutantTu1key | seems like those guys are having basic input troubles from other countries. |
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| MutantTu1key | could be wrong but seems like that's their older site style, maybe they have a new one? |
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| kb9vqf | MutantTu1key: When I followed the link it took me to the new-style PayPal page |
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| MutantTu1key | oh really? |
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| kb9vqf | can you double-check that on your side? |
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| MutantTu1key | ok nvm |
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| MutantTu1key | i didn't hae any trouble with it |
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| kb9vqf | I *think* the changes are all server side |
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| MutantTu1key | yeah |
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| kb9vqf | the
donate buttons have always been pretty simple, basically just a to
account, amount, and some other basic info from the main TDE site |
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| MutantTu1key | gotcha |
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| MutantTu1key | and it's free for you? |
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| kb9vqf | I don't see that changing any of the UIX after the button is clicked |
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| kb9vqf | I pay a fee per donation in the few % range |
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| MutantTu1key | maybe offer another way? |
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| kb9vqf | there is Bitcoin there, other suggestions?> |
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| MutantTu1key | well firstly, if that's the case - anyone can just use the 'send frinds cash' via paypal for a small fee as well |
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| MutantTu1key | what about square? |
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| MutantTu1key | we used it as payment tech for one place i worked.... but i don't know if they work online aswell |
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| kb9vqf | I'd have to pay an annual fee for that IIRC, and the domation amounts are way too small to justify that |
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| kb9vqf | PayPal's
still the go-to for a reason, I've only ever seen Bitcoin start to
provide a good alternative but it still hasn't been adopted to a high
enough level for daily use |
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| kb9vqf | and I don't like the PayPal interface one bit FWIW ;-) |
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| MutantTu1key | yeah i use paypal for most |
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| MutantTu1key | google wallet maybe? |
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| kb9vqf | I
was rather under trhe impression that people dont' really want to trust
Google with their financial information in addition to evertying else
Google knows about them |
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| wsky | what do you need the donations for? server payments? |
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| kb9vqf | wsky:
Exactly, to keep the servers running and available
online. This isn't something you just host on a single
machine or via a cloud service -- we started out on Launchpad, for
instance, but quickly found that we were hogging Launchpad resources and
the associated multi-day delays for a single build ended up stalling
development pretty badly |
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| wsky | well i'd donate since i love the project but i really have no money to spare |
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| kb9vqf | It's OK, I do understand. Could you contribute with code fixes / development? |
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| wsky | i'm bad at couding but i could do graphics |
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| kb9vqf | hmmm, that might work; there are a number of places where some fairly badly outdated graphics are present in TDE |
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| wsky | well i hang around here, tell me what has to be done |
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| wsky | i have no job so lots of free time |
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| wsky | coding* |
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| wsky | what is the format of entering dns addesses in the trinity nmapplet? |
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| pitriss | cant help.. I dont use NM..:) |
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| pitriss | and on laptop I have wicd |
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| wsky | can wicd do wwan? |
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| mirda | if you mean 3G phone network, you can use pppd |
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| raizor | Any
have any luck with CentOS 7 + Trinity on dual screens with separated X
sessions? Meaning dedicated taskbar on each screen, and mouse can move
between screens but windows can't? CentOS 5 + KDE 3.5 did this very well
but I couldn't get it to work on CentOS 7 + Trinity. |
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| kb9vqf | raizor:
First suspect would be your Xorg setup. A lot changed
between the Xorg used on CentOS5 and CentOS7, and your use case is not
common |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
Mounting is working right now. It was not lacking polkit or something
like that which was preventing mounting in RW-mode it was a damaged
USB-stick, which was simply mounted read-only as some kind of
workaround. Now mounting works as intended simply with pmount. I got
ride of polkit, consolekit, udisk, upower and the whole kitchensink.
PMount for mounting, instead of consolekit support in tdelibs I am using
the workaround, |
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| Chris_ | calling
TDM for reboot/shutdown, polkit is not needed if you simply use pmount,
instead of upower I use tdehwdaemon for checking for suspend, freeze
and so on and changing power related settings. Works wonderfull, without
systemd und devicekit and friends. :-) |
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| Chris_ | Also I am using "eudev" (udev fork of Gentoo people) and works like a charm too with TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: What are you using as K3b backend? cdrtools or cdrkit? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: cdrkit |
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| nemilen | why kopete don't work in trinity R14? |
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| nemilen | Settings=> Accounts=> New => no messaging service |
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| Chris_ | nemilen:
Maybe SlavekB can help you, but seems he is away at the moment. He will
reply if he is back I think. You wanted to use jabber with kopete? |
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| pitriss | nemilen: R14 and I use kopete as ICQ client without problem.. On debian wheezy |
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| pitriss | icq, jabber, gadu-gadu, IRC, grouwise and some other there:) |
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| SlavekB | nemilen: With such options you built? There are a few options BUILD_KOPETE_PROTOCOL_... and BUILD_KOPETE_PLUGIN_... |
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| nemilen | sec |
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| nemilen | on gentoo I just install the package without any flags. |
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| SlavekB | by default are all kopete protocols and plugins 'OFF' |
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| nemilen | just need to add a flag 'icq' and rebuild kopete? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you can enable individual protocols or use BUILD_KOPETE_PROTOCOL_ALL, BUILD_KOPETE_PLUGIN_ALL |
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| Chris_ | nemilen: If you want to have ICQ I think the use flag is.... oscar. |
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| Chris_ | Or all, right. |
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| SlavekB | see CMakeLists.txt in root of tdenetwork package. |
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| Chris_ | nemilen: Have you build with some overlay or simply by hand? |
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| nemilen | overlay |
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| Chris_ | What overlay you used? Because the most up to date is some from "fat-zer" but it is not really complete, but it should work. |
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| nemilen | yes, fat-zeer |
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| nemilen | ok I will try next |
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| Chris_ | No, that overlay is the best you can get actually under Gentoo, wait please. |
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| SlavekB | In recent days, Fat-Zer is active again. |
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| Chris_ | Yes I noticed myself some days ago :-) |
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| nemilen | I wrote to him to the e-mail, is silent) |
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| Chris_ | Yes, he don't wrote me back too, seems he is busy. |
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| nemilen | perhaps) |
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| Chris_ | Yes you need the oscar use flag nemilen. |
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| Chris_ | At least for ICQ. The ebuild has all protocol-support spilted up. |
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| Chris_ | nemilen: By the way, what arch are you using? X86 or AMD64? |
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| nemilen | yep, thank you! i emerge kopete with flags "oscar" and "irc" |
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| nemilen | it worked |
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| nemilen | )) |
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| Chris_ | Nice to have some Gentoo people more using TDE hehe :-) |
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| nemilen | I'm almost a year using TDE) I do not like KDE/plasma |
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| Chris_ | nemilen:
You are using latest git versions with this overlay, so more R14.1.0
instead of R14.0.4 stable, so expect that some things can crash and
maybe it makes sense to recompile from time to time to get updates.
Maybe you know that already, but just for information. |
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| nemilen | Most importantly, it does not update the world in gentoo ,after installation tde )) |
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| nemilen | yes i know |
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| Chris_ | What do you mean with update the world? You mean you have to manually update the packages? Yes. |
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| nemilen | yesterday Gentoo reinstalled after the upgrade) and TDE |
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| nemilen | just emerge -uDN world |
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| Chris_ | But you can use some command to compile all packages which depends on tdelibs for example and that are mostly all.... |
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| nemilen | and layman update overlay |
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| nemilen | yes, i can compile all packages or one |
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| nemilen | what further plans for the projec? |
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| Chris_ | Yes, it is not possible to know which package got an update with live ebuilds. |
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| Chris_ | emerge -av --keep-going --oneshot `equery depends tdelibs|awk '{print " ="$1}'` |
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| Chris_ | That is what I use to fully update TDE under Gentoo. |
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| Chris_ | At least to not mess-up my world file. You have to emerge tdelibs before, of course. |
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| nemilen | I made a note) |
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| Chris_ | nemilen: Are you under x86 or amd64? |
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| nemilen | amd64 |
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| Chris_ | Right.
Because it seems x86 don't work with binutils-2.25. I wrote Fat-Zer
about that, but no reply until now. Workaround was, update to
binutils-2.27 (~x86). But under all amd64 machines, I not had this
problem. |
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| nemilen | but one year ago i used TDE in x86 |
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| nemilen | mm...I did not know |
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| Chris_ | Yes, that was the time it seems it worked. Maybe because binutils version was older in Gentoo. |
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| Chris_ | But I have to admit, for a live version R14.1.0 works very stable at now. |
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| Chris_ | nemilen:
If you want to recompile tdelibs it will most likely fail to rebuild.
You need to make a change to the ebuild, re-manifest it and re-emerge it
again. Only if you want to update it. See: https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/issues/9 |
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| nemilen | ohh...Today I encountered this problem |
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| nemilen | but I'd rather wait when there will be fat-zer ) |
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| nemilen | sorry for eng) I translate with the help of google ;) |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
I asked about cdrkit and cdrtools, because I just spend two hours of my
life researching the sad story about it. To make it short, better use
cdrtools.... cdrkit is some outdated fork, full of bugs. You can read a
lot about it. Gentoo is using cdrtools as default, because it don't use
binary packages. Other distributions thinks, that there could be a
license problem. You can exchange cdrkit with cdrtools in nearly all |
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| Chris_ | distributions,
maybe some note about would be nice to make full use of K3b. It's worth
a read this story. Most people simply don't know about. Me too, until
yesterday. Kind of interesting. |
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| Chris_ | nemilen:
No problem, fat-zer seems to wait until this "problem" is fixed
upstream. So if you want to update tdelibs ebuild in near future, you
have to use some workaround... |
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| Chris_ | For interested people, a short review from the author of cdrtools -> http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/linux-dist.html |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Because of your key-press project to prevent DPMS, I just found per ramdom this here: https://www.linux-apps.com/p/1127322/ Maybe you can get some ideas from it. :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: thanks ill take look |
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| TomTheDragon | _Chris_: are all the forks of cdrkit/cdrtools/etc drop-in replacements? |
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| _Chris_ | TomTheDragon:
I only know about cdrkit and cdrtools these days. The other ones are
not used these days as I know. There is "libburnia", which seems to use
some code of cdrtools inside (cdrtools author says) and the parameters
are mostly like cdrtools, so it should work. If you want something
reliable, go for cdrtools. Nearly all distributions have some community
repos for it. SUSE changed back to it too. So for K3b for example, it |
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| _Chris_ | should not made any difference at all. |
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| _Chris_ | Under
Ubuntu there should be some repo for these packages too. I am not into
that distributions these day, but some search on the web should give
good results. Jörg Schilling worked also with some people/maintainers of
Fedora/Redhat community repos for creating packages for cdrtools. As I
know, cdrkit only works as drop-in replacement because it uses some
symlinks... cdrecord -> wodim for example and such things. |
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| TomTheDragon | _Chris_: as to the symlinks, I think that utilizes the debian 'alternatives' system |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| TomTheDragon | if the parameters are all the same, and all you need is a link, I'd consider it a drop in. thanks |
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| _Chris_ | Debian
people were the people who created this fork. You can simply remove
cdrkit, install cdrtools. But I have read about something that Debian
did some changes to their tools like brasero etc. to use cdrkit as
default. But for K3b from TDE, that should not be the case, because the
packages are not under their control. |
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| _Chris_ | But
Jörg Schilling said better not to use libburnia, because it is only
offering 40% of the features and such things. I don't can quote this
right now and it might be just bad advertisement for his cdrtools, but
he seems to know a lot about what he does and maintains cdrtools since
nearly 20 years now... |
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| _Chris_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libburnia
-> "cdrskin is the end-user application of libburnia. It is CLI-only
and its syntax is mostly identical to cdrecord to act as a drop-in
replacement for existing front-ends." |
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| OnlyHuman | is trinty ppa repo in useable state? |
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| OnlyHuman | guess not |
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| abdorhman | hi everyone, does anybody know the release date of the first Tde? |
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| SlavekB | https://www.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php |
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| abdorhman | 2010, thanks :) |
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| abdorhman | I'm wondering how I never heard about it |
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| abdorhman | and
I had to go though Mate, Lxde, xfce, and many more which wasen't
"lightweight" enough for my humble laptop untill I discoverd Tde |
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| abdorhman | it's really great, I will recomend it for anyone I know |
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| SlavekB | I used many years KDE - from version 1.0 to 3.x, so Trinity for me was the clear choice :) |
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| SlavekB | By the way - currently I'm on EeePC (Atom 1.6 GHz, 1 GiB RAM). |
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| abdorhman | the
internet issue remains, any modern broweser (even the light ones such
as Palemoon) is probably going to eat all of your CPU and RAM |
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| abdorhman | you should use Palemoon if you don't :) it's a full featured browser, but more lightweight than Firefox or chrome or qupzilla |
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| paul- | hi :) |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is there some way to "fill out" the "colums space" in some "row". The
cols in KMail for example (date, topic and so on). The last col will not
size to the whole space left in the row, if you can understand this.
The result is a bit ugly with the row backgrounds. They are ending in
the middle of the row. Maybe that is some QT3/TQT3 thing. One global
option for this would be awesome. Because many applications are behaving
the |
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| Chris_ | same
way. The row shading looks not as good it could be this way. GTK2 I
think fills this space up with the last col in the row. Any idea here or
is there some kind of option to activate this globaly? :-) |
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| Chris_ | It
is specific annoying if you use some kind of widescreen resolution like
1920x1200 for example, beacuse there is much wasted space. You can
resize some cols to fit, but at least with KMail there is the problem,
that after restart of the application, this settings will be lost and
you start with the default cols size. |
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| abdorhman | Hi everyone, did you know that you can make your panel transparenct? right click > configuer panel > appearnce |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: Yes :-) |
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| abdorhman | Hi everyone, I love you all :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| abdorhman | anyone here want to share something about his life or his love of free-as-in-freedom software? |
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| abdorhman | ☹ |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: Hm, not at now. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: Most here are busy most of the time, don't be sad. |
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| abdorhman | OK ☺ |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: Are you using TDE already? |
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| abdorhman | Yes, I'm using Tde R14.0.4 |
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| _Chris_ | Nice, me too. But R14.1.0 (Development). But it's still under work. |
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| abdorhman | I really can't belive how I spent months trying out a dozen of light-weight GUIs that all came with an options panilty |
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| abdorhman | means that their control centers wasn't allowing me to do anything big |
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| abdorhman | then I heard about Tde, and I been using it for a couple of months now |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: Yes, that is something really nice about TDE. Has you used KDE3 back in the days? |
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| abdorhman | no, I used gnome classic though |
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| abdorhman | it was really cool |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
Yes, gnome classiv was gnome 2 back in the days. I liked it too. But
KDE3 had just more options. Gnome people are thinking often there users
are stupid it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: What distribution are you using? |
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| abdorhman | Exe Gnu/Linux (devune based) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah yes, devuan is the Debian fork without systemd, right? |
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| _Chris_ | And exe is a TDE flavor devuan? |
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| abdorhman | exactly |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: TDE is also very fast. It is running very well on old machines. |
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| abdorhman | my
first time with Gnu/Linux was when my cousin gave me Ubuntu 8.4 CD for
no reason :) I didn't know a lot about computing back then (and still) |
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| abdorhman | but the philospohy has a great impact on my life |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
Yes, I know what you mean. I started with SuSE back in the days. After
that K/Ubuntu. Fedora too, Debian a while. Now I am under Gentoo since,
nearly 10 years, I don't know exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: Ubuntu 8.4 I mean was still Gnome 2 right? |
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| abdorhman | yes, then came unity in Ubuntu 11.4 |
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| abdorhman | it was crap! |
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| abdorhman | it has that trouble bug, when your screen is locked, you can't activate it back! |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
Yes, I have the same opinion like you. After that a lot of things went
to the bad. Some time before that change, they kicked out KDE3 out of of
Kubuntu und shipped it with KDE4, which was not fully working to this
time. A lot of people are sad about this and I think a lot of them are
using TDE now. |
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| abdorhman | you had to disable screen locking |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
Hm, I don't know about recent bugs of it. Long while since I tested
Ubuntu since then. But they switched to Unity because Gnome 3 was also
something new what most people don't liked. At least some. |
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| abdorhman | Gnome
3, Unity, and a lot more are following Goolge's material design, which I
always noticed to have a bad impact on people, it teaches their brains
to follow pictures not words, which makes them unable to read anything,
they gain a habbit of following picures all day every day that they
can't read anything without felling extremly bored |
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| abdorhman | it makes it easy for them to follow ads and commercial signs later! |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
Interestingly, I have the exact same opinion there like you on the
psychological impacts. But Material design came after these all. But it
is one step further. Some one here in the channel has described the
progress if you switch to some good working enviroment after using
something like unity some years as "removing the brain fog" or something
like that. I had to smile as I have read this. |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
I also don't like Android 5. 4.4 (Kitkat) was the last really good
Android for example. Material design is mostly flat design with dulled
colors. But if I take a look at the KDE5 screenshots - yes. The first
impression was: Material Design. |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
Most desktop enviroments are done for people simply using one open
window in fullscreen these days (webbrowser) for faceb00k. Or something
like that. |
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| abdorhman | I belive that Faceboom - along with many others - is the main cause for our fu*ed up society |
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| abdorhman | you can't belive what happened here in Egypt after Samsung first smart phone was realsed about 6 years ago |
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| abdorhman | I started seeing how people's minds started switching to something completly different |
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| abdorhman | I mean Facebook not Faceboom :) but Faceboom is better ☺☺ |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
Yes, me too. But maybe this will change in some years again. I hope so.
People are getting stupid, because they don't habe to think about
things today. It's great to make things simple, but if you are making
all too simple, you are dependent on a hand full people in some time.
And that is okay just until this few people are getting evil. Just in
theory. |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: I just replaced some letters, we don't want to have ads for them. :-) |
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| abdorhman | Faceboom LOL |
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| abdorhman | please watch https://youtu.be/4Z9WVZddH9w?t=5m51s for about 5 minutes then tell me what you think |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
There was a great point in the past, a balance, between easy and
efficent. And that was KDE3 time I think. Or if you want so, also Gnome 2
time. But all after 2009 or so went bad. Introducing flat designs. I
mean in some years they think colors are too confusing for people too.
And know what? I have read something about monochrome icons in KDE5 a
while back. I had to smile, because that was something I said years ago.
But |
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| _Chris_ | I still believe some major change in some years. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, it is over 2 hours. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, just 5 minutes, right? |
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| abdorhman | The Video is about 2 hours, you should watch from the fifth minute to the 9th minute |
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| abdorhman | or for begining if you wish (much better) |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: Great. I know what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman: It's interesting. |
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| abdorhman | so, what do you think? watch it again if you had to |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
I have watched the first part now. Very interesting. I think it's
something true in it and it's nicely made. I am not against all
consumption. Because you still need some content in the life. But I
think there is some point. I am against deprecating technological things
so fast for example. Most things I own are used. I still use CRT these
days for example. |
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| _Chris_ | *most technological things. |
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| _Chris_ | abdorhman:
But at the other side, most things today are buit to die. You can fix a
lot of things for nearly no money. But most people don't have the
knowledge. And it seems more and more people are having this attitude to
think they are "stupid". That's dangerous I think. |
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| _Chris_ | Thats the "next generation". |
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| abdorhman | Sorry, explain what you mean by saying "Thats the "next generation"" |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
sorry for my English. I mean, these people I described above, that are
the next generation. First generation was before Gnome2/KDE3 came out.
The second were we, Gnome2/KDE3 users. And at now, people from the past
are growing up, getting control. These are the Unity/Gnome3 users. If
you think in these dimensions. But I meant more the people are thinking
they are too stupid to learn something new, about technology for
example, |
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| _Chris_ | that
is the next generation. Because a lot of people today are thinking they
are needing experts of all kind of things. While that is okay for some
complicated and important things, it is just crap for other things. You
can archive a lot with a bit searching the web and trying yourself. |
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| _Chris_ | With
all things in life, you have this sweet point, of perfectionism. And if
you reached it, you will start to go in a direction which is more
extrem. In the actual case: Simplity. (If you take Material Design for
example and UI design in general). |
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| abdorhman | couldn't agree more :) although I didn't get your last reply |
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| abdorhman | where are you from? |
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| _Chris_ | Germany. |
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| _Chris_ | My
last point was... Take a look at TDE. Back in the days KDE3 was state
of the art. Best of the best, if you want so. But people are nedding
input, want to make it better. Back in the days there was need to make
things better, because there were things which were bad. People were
happy to automount their usb drives without hassle. |
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| _Chris_ | But
after this all was reached, people searches for other things to make
"better". And it's human beeing to try to make things always more
"perfect". So you are starting to make things "better" which are a bit
questionable. Back in the days this was the case with Gnome 2. In the
last days there were threads about what is the best icon and why. These
were things you can't believe. |
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| _Chris_ | Having
icons to help a user to indentify some button or something like that
-> Great. Changing a really bad icon to something more fitting ->
Geat. But after that? If you don't have input anymore, or things to make
better? You will find things you don't like. Making the good icon
better -> Most of the time not great, because people are used to it
and there no real need. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
all about perspective. Some user is thinking about some funcitonality
in a other way as a developer often. And todays developer tend to think
"that's too complicated for a user" too fast. |
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| _Chris_ | There
are things which are simply working since years. The Desktop for
example. But it was so good working, people had no input and wanted to
make something new > KDE4 Plasma/Windows 8. |
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| abdorhman | Umm,
I think I know what you're talking about, you mean that when they have
reached a good level, they should stop, is that right? |
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| _Chris_ | Most
people with laptops today want to have Windows 7 back. They don't want
to have Windows 8. Most people are using still Windows XP today. Because
it's working. Simply as an example. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, yes, that is the question. Not stop. Instead of stoping, they should make it more perfect. But under the hood. |
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| _Chris_ | But
it's a human nature problem that you need feedback. You get more
feedback in your brain, if you change something big what you can see.
Some desktop or taskbar for example. It is realsing dopamine in your
brain. Hehe. |
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| _Chris_ | I
think KDE3 was such a good level. And Gnome 2 too. And Ubuntu in early
2008. If you take the technology for example. But you can see a lot of
things this way :-) |
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| abdorhman | yeah, some users only want to see a visuel change, not under the hood change |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but also some developers. |
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| abdorhman | not convinced by "also some developers" but I lack the English to express why -_- |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| abdorhman | there is a german subtitle of the Zaitgeist video if you wish |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have seen that before. From which country you are? |
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| abdorhman | Egypt |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes, you said it, talking about smartphones. |
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| abdorhman | :) |
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| _Chris_ | I expected something different by the word "Zeitgeist". Because it was the name of Gnome 3 Shell, or still is. |
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| abdorhman | you can't belive how many families I saw falling apart because of the ease-of-acess the smart phones provice to PORN |
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| abdorhman | that* |
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| abdorhman | provides* |
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| abdorhman | I need to sleep now :) it's mid night here in Egypt |
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| abdorhman | 23:40 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I can believe. It's some common problem with smartphones. Back in the
days children or teenagers were not allowed to use PCs until a specific
age. Just a ethical thing from parents. There was respect from
technology. But today with smartphones these isn't anymore. The barriers
are not existent anymore. But so sad it maybe sounds, I think that's
simply the change of the world. Evolution. We are now the "old people"
blaming the |
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| _Chris_ | past was so much better. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | One hour earlier here. I wish you a good sleep. Was nice to talk with you a bit :-) |
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| abdorhman | thanks :) |
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| abdorhman | how old are you? |
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| _Chris_ | Who knows :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You? |
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| _Chris_ | Nearly 30. |
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| abdorhman | I always find it starnge that some people doesn't like telling their name, age, or country. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I thought that is something good. I also don't use facebook and such things. Privacy, you know? |
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| abdorhman | wait a sex, I was porn in 1998, that make me.... |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| abdorhman | LOOOOL, sec* born* |
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| abdorhman | ummm.... |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| abdorhman | 1998 - 2017 = ? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. |
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| abdorhman | I was born 1998/5/3 |
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| abdorhman | that makes me about 18 years old |
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| _Chris_ | I think we have to respect all owns privacy. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| abdorhman | sometimes this privacy sets the converstion back |
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| abdorhman | holds the converstion back |
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| abdorhman | I hope I will tallk to you again |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean? Because of lacking trust? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I am often here. |
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| abdorhman | no, not lack of trust |
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| abdorhman | buy |
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| abdorhman | :) bye |
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| _Chris_ | Good night. |
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| ADS_Sr | Hello all |
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| Space_Man | hello ADS_Sr |
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| ADS_Sr | Wow, I thought everyone was asleep |
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| ADS_Sr | Is this project still in development, or is this just a user's channel? |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr: No some devs are also here. But maybe busy. :-) |
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| TomTheDragon | ADS_Sr: no, this is the official channel. |
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| ADS_Sr | Oh, ok. That's nice to know |
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| TomTheDragon | there was a release on Nov 7 last year, and it seems there is indeed development going on |
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| ADS_Sr | I wasn't sure whether or not this project was still going... |
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| ADS_Sr | I
recall kde not necessarily being great on any of the BSDs, so I was
thinking about exploring tde on FreeBSD. That's something that's a lot
easier to do, if development doesn't move at break-neck speeds... |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr:
Ah, the last TDE release had a notice, that they imporved the BSD
support, but need help and are still working to make it more round.
Maybe you can test or something like that. |
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| ADS_Sr | Thanks, _Chris_, that's good to know! |
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| _Chris_ | It's good to have some kind of alternative if Linux, some day, will be.... different. How long you use BSD already ADS_Sr? |
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| ADS_Sr | I've used various forms of FreeBSD since about 1997... |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr: OSS is still used by BSD right? |
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| ADS_Sr | Yeh. When OSS went proprietary, FreeBSD kept their implementation of OSS |
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| ADS_Sr | When OSS became open again, they still had a pretty up to date codebase for FreeBSD... |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr:
As I know it is free now again. There are instructions for Linux to get
it to work. Some people say there is much difference between ALSA and
OSS and OSS is far better in sound quality, I haven't proved that. Hehe. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. |
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| ADS_Sr | I was using Linux during the early ALSA years. Honestly, I didn't enjoy it's growing pains... |
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| ADS_Sr | I think that's pretty much soured me on ALSA. Then, the PulseAudio growing pains kept me from returning to Linux for awhile... |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr:
Yeah, like I said, BSD is my backup solution. I am using Gentoo is
Gentoo/BSD. So I neither need to re-install I think. Okay, recompile,
but otherwise. But on the other hand side, BSD is also about clang,
ports and things like that. |
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| ADS_Sr | That's understandable |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr:
In the OSS forum are threads from people who claims to hear great
differences. It seems that is because ALSA uses some kind of upmixing. |
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| ADS_Sr | I
wouldn't be surprised. Since OSS had went proprietary, they really had
to provide good audio. Since ALSA wasn't a product, true audio quality
wasn't a priority... |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr:
The author of spacefm (pcmanfm fork) has a blog and writes about
possible alternatives to Linux and he tested BSD and did write some
review. So you prefer FreeBSD over OpenBSD because? |
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| _Chris_ | ADS_Sr: That's a good theory. Might be true. |
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| ADS_Sr | Because OpenBSD is better for infrastructure, while FreeBSD is better for desktops & workstations |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
and I think FreeBSD has some kind of new fork too, or it might be away
already. They have some kind of good documentation the last time I taked
a look at the homepage I think. Linux is more some kernel, BSD some
kind of whole enviroment I think. |
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| ADS_Sr | Yeh, all of the BSD projects have always been whole operating systems |
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| ADS_Sr | That's one of the things that makes the BSDs more cohesive... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, has pros and cons. It's good to have a choice. |
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| abdorhman | Hi Chris :) |
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| Chris_ | Hi abdorhman :-) |
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| abdorhman | are you the Chris that I know? |
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| Chris_ | abdorhman: We had a chat last time, right? |
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| abdorhman | yeah |
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| Chris_ | Right. |
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| abdorhman | so... I been seeing a shrink (psychiatrist) lately. |
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| Chris_ | What do you mean? :-) |
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| abdorhman | for some reason I can't study! my finals in 5 months and no matter what I do, I can't study |
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| Chris_ | Hm, so what is the problem? |
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| abdorhman | A long story that I lack the English words to descripe :( |
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| Chris_ | Ah, I understand. Sometimes there is something like that in life. |
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| Chris_ | You was from Egypt right? |
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| abdorhman | yes |
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| Chris_ | I was not sure if I recall correctly. |
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| Chris_ | I think I will test FreeBSD in some time too. |
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| abdorhman | I did it before you |
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| abdorhman | :) |
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| abdorhman | I think it's crap! |
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| Chris_ | Really? You don't was someone recommending it? |
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| abdorhman | "You don't was someone recommending it?" << I don't understand that |
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| Chris_ | Was you not someone who has recommended it to me? There was some BSD user here last week I thought that was you too. |
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| abdorhman | no, not me |
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| abdorhman | I watched a youtube tutrial that explains how to inastall BSD 11 along with any GUI you want |
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| Chris_ | Okay, I know we talked about UI design. |
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| Chris_ | Ah and what was the problem? |
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| Chris_ | Last week here was someone wanting to try TDE under FreeBSD, or is using it already, I don't exactly anymore. |
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| abdorhman | it was great, my CPU temp was 50 C or less, but then something wierd happend |
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| abdorhman | the system used to SHUTDOWN whenever my RAM is 200MB filled |
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| abdorhman | it said something like "system dumbing" then it shuts down |
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| Chris_ | Hm. |
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| Chris_ | I
don't know you have to compile your kernel yourself, maybe missing
drivers? Or something like that? I think you need some experience to
install FreeBSD. Also if you are knowing Linux good. |
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| abdorhman | if
you ask me, I say freedom is the most important thing, you must make
sure that you are NOT using a non-free software, you computer should
only obey you, no one else! |
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| Chris_ | Maybe highmem support or so was missing. |
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| abdorhman | FreeBSD isn't free-as-in-freedom, nor Linux! Linux contains a lot of "blobs" |
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| Chris_ | I like your thinking :-) Reminds me on my old laptop with nvidia-binary-drivers. |
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| abdorhman | I tried using "Linux-libre" kernel, but my entire laptop is AMD, which means that I wil be missing almost all of the drivers |
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| Chris_ | That's
right. You have to make some cut anyway still. There is a free GNU
supported Android version for example, they supply and use propritary
blobs still for firmware. |
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| Chris_ | AMD had always better support of OSS drivers I thought. |
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| abdorhman | no, AMD free drivers are crap. |
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| Chris_ | At
least if you take a look at graphic drivers. I am using nuveau driver
right now for my nvidia GPU in my laptop, but DRM/3D is not working as
it should, but it's okay for running TDE. |
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| abdorhman | + that Linux-libre kernel contains a bug that prevents any AMD graphics card it show resoultion over 1224X768 |
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| Chris_ | Oh. |
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| abdorhman | nevermind' |
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| Chris_ | I am using R600 card here right now HD 3850. With 1920x1200. |
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| Chris_ | But... |
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| abdorhman | I just wanted to say that I plan to buy a 100% free laptop in the near feature |
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| Chris_ | It's using also some firmware files. |
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| abdorhman | that means: free bios, free OS |
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| Chris_ | We could had a independend driver from GPU BIOS for AMD/ATI. |
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| Chris_ | Back in the days there was RadeonHD. |
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| abdorhman | there are a lot of coreboot or libreboot preinstalled laptops out there |
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| abdorhman | do you know coreboot or libreboot? |
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| Chris_ | I
had a talk with libv. Someone creating it, also doing VIA IGP driver.
But the radeon driver was stronger. And it uses all methods of the
VBIOS. |
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| Chris_ | Yes, I know coreboot :-) |
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| Chris_ | I also though about trying that. But no time. |
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| abdorhman | you mean no money? |
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| abdorhman | :) |
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| Chris_ | No. I think I could get run some mainboards running with it. |
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| Chris_ | I re-use a lot of hardware. |
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| abdorhman | I don't know shit about hardware |
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| Chris_ | The chipset is most important, coreboot has some kind of table on which mainboards/chipsets it could work. |
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| abdorhman | not software LOOOOOL |
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| abdorhman | nor* |
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| Chris_ | You know more than most other people out there using windows. |
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| Chris_ | So I wanted to try to use coreboot on my own devices I own. |
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| abdorhman | yeah, that's what life is all about :) |
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| abdorhman | LOL |
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| Chris_ | Same for my some smartphones, you can use "UBOOT" as bootloader. |
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| Chris_ | And no, I am not fully smartphone infected, but I like to play with them and test. |
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| abdorhman | "smartphone infected" that's the right term |
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| abdorhman | I will use that term |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| abdorhman | because people go crazy about them |
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| Chris_ | I know. |
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| abdorhman | and they start taking selfies |
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| Chris_ | I am not doing. I find it very alarming what Google is doing with Android. Not really better than Apple. |
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| Chris_ | And I don't like this material design, we talked already about. |
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| Chris_ | I have some router running OpenWRT firmware. |
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| Chris_ | But it's nice to know there are pre-installed laptops out there with coreboot. I was not aware about. |
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| abdorhman | actulley https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-t400/ |
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| abdorhman | they come with libreboot and trisquel :) |
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| Chris_ | Nice, good marketing. It's some IBM thinkpad from hardware. |
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| Chris_ | But lenovo (china) bought them. Quality is degreasing since then it seems. But still good. |
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| abdorhman | exactly, it's a modified Thinkpad |
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| abdorhman | I would do anything to get one of those |
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| abdorhman | ANYTHING |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| abdorhman | here in Egypt is egyptian pound is going down |
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| Chris_ | I don't looked for the pice. wait. |
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| Chris_ | Interesting to read. |
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| abdorhman_ | I'm here, I haven't left |
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| Chris_ | I know. :-) |
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| Chris_ | No, you was using devuan, or not? |
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| abdorhman_ | I'm using Exe Gnu/Linux which is based on |
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| abdorhman_ | Devuan |
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| Chris_ | Right. |
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| abdorhman_ | so |
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| abdorhman_ | I'm watching Family guy |
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| abdorhman_ | then I'm going to sleep |
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| abdorhman_ | it's always nice talking to you |
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| Chris_ | Have fun. For me too! |
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| Chris_ | Good night. |
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| MarcoH | hi |
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| MarcoH | I'd have a short question, pls |
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| MarcoH | I just connected a screen to my laptop |
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| MarcoH | trinity desktop treats this 2nd screen like a 2nd screen |
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| MarcoH | however, I want it to mirror the laptop |
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| MarcoH | I want to close the laptop, and see the exactly same on the external screen as on my laptop |
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| MarcoH | is this possible, please? |
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| SlavekB | MarcoH: I'm not sure whether is in Trinity gui for it. However, it should be possible by command xrandr. |
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| MarcoH | I totally messed it uuuuup :( |
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| MarcoH | I tried it myself in the meantime |
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| MarcoH | and I messed it up :((( |
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| MarcoH | Now I have ... kind of ... it's hard to describe what happened |
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| MarcoH | good |
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| MarcoH | unplugging the screen helped |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, the GUI seems to be really messy |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, what can I do in order to really get the exact same screen mirrored? |
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| MarcoH | The mouse should not be able to leave the screen |
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| MarcoH | like, drag & drop from one screen to the next should not be possible |
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| SlavekB | you can try first: xrandr -q |
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| SlavekB | ...to get output port names |
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| SlavekB | ..and then: xrandr --output VGA1 --same-as LVDS (with proper names) |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, shall I paste the output to pastebin or similar? |
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| MarcoH | http://pastie.org/pastes/10989055/text?key=dghzixa7u7kfeibidwdkjq |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, after I unplugged and re-plugged the external screen, it gets no more signal at all |
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| MarcoH | the external screen is now black |
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| SlavekB | MarcoH: From pastie.org I get only Error 522 - Connection timed out |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, the section "Monitor and Screen" has a problem as well |
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| MarcoH | Will not save configuration. |
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| MarcoH | Configuration file "/home/user/.trinity/share/config/kiccconfigrc" not writable. |
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| MarcoH | Please contact your system administrator. |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, I restart my computer |
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| SlavekB | It seems, that file is created in Admin mode => created by root. |
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| MarcoH | there is something weird going on |
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| MarcoH | ah |
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| MarcoH | possible |
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| MarcoH | but I authenticated with my root pwd |
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| MarcoH | root pwd entered now |
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| MarcoH | I am in admin mode |
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| MarcoH | it keeps saying "Loading" |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, I reboot my machine now |
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| SlavekB | ok |
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| MarcoH | then I come back, and then please let's start from new |
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| MarcoH | I think I messed it up before |
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| MarcoH | sorry |
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| MarcoH | thank you for your help |
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| MarcoH | re |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB? |
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| MarcoH | rebooting did not help |
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| MarcoH | the external screen gets no more signal |
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| SlavekB | you can try from cli: |
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| SlavekB | xrandr -q |
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| MarcoH | can I delete the configuration file? |
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| MarcoH | as user or root? |
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| SlavekB | yes, you can delete it |
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| SlavekB | as user |
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| MarcoH | how? |
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| MarcoH | can I delete only the monitor/screen config? |
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| MarcoH | I made many changes to the default config of trinity |
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| MarcoH | btw. thank you for your support, and thank you for trinity |
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| MarcoH | it's cool :) |
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| SlavekB | file should be in ~/.trinity/share/config/... |
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| MarcoH | i love it |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, can I paste the output here? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| MarcoH | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 900, maximum 16384 x 16384 |
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| MarcoH | eDP connected primary 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 382mm x 215mm |
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| MarcoH | 1600x900 60.08*+ |
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| MarcoH | 1440x900 59.89 |
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| MarcoH | 1280x854 59.89 |
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| MarcoH | 1280x800 59.81 |
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| MarcoH | 1280x720 59.86 |
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| MarcoH | 1152x768 59.78 |
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| MarcoH | 1024x768 59.92 |
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| MarcoH | 800x600 59.86 |
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| MarcoH | 848x480 59.66 |
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| MarcoH | 720x480 59.71 |
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| MarcoH | 640x480 59.38 |
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| MarcoH | HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| MarcoH | VGA-0 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| MarcoH | 1920x1080 60.00 + |
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| MarcoH | 1680x1050 59.95 |
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| MarcoH | 1600x900 60.00 |
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| MarcoH | 1280x1024 75.02 60.02 |
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| MarcoH | 1280x800 59.81 |
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| MarcoH | 1152x864 75.00 |
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| MarcoH | 1280x720 60.00 |
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| MarcoH | 1024x768 75.08 60.00 |
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| MarcoH | 832x624 74.55 |
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| MarcoH | 800x600 75.00 60.32 |
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| MarcoH | 640x480 75.00 60.00 |
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| MarcoH | 720x400 70.08 |
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| MarcoH | trinity control center does not show me the 2nd screen any more |
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| MarcoH | and the screen gets no signal any more |
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| SlavekB | now you can try: |
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| SlavekB | xranrd --output VGA-0 --same-as eDP |
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| SlavekB | xrandr --output VGA-0 --same-as eDP |
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| MarcoH | xrandr: --same-as requires an argument |
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| MarcoH | Try 'xrandr --help' for more information. |
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| MarcoH | eDP is an argument, isn't it? |
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| SlavekB | yes :) |
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| SlavekB | eDP is argument for --same-as |
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| MarcoH | so, let's say I did not paste it correctly, and I am dumb |
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| MarcoH | hold on ;) |
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| MarcoH | done |
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| MarcoH | the command passed without errors |
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| MarcoH | the 2nd screen still shows nothing |
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| SlavekB | :( |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, I am sure there is a problem caused by the trinity control center |
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| MarcoH | When I first plugged in the screen, I saw my desktop background (the blue wallpaper) |
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| MarcoH | I could move around windows from A to B |
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| MarcoH | then I played around in the Trinity Control Center in the Section "Screen and Monitor" |
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| MarcoH | nah |
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| MarcoH | "Monitor & Display" |
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| MarcoH | and ever since, the 2nd screen is dead |
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| MarcoH | shall I open a KDE 4 session? |
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| MarcoH | just to see if it works there? |
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| MarcoH | the external screen keeps telling me "No Signal" |
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| SlavekB | ok, try this: |
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| SlavekB | xranrd --output VGA-0 --mode 1600x900 --output eDP --primary |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, !! |
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| MarcoH | Something happend! |
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| MarcoH | I am just typing from the external screen |
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| MarcoH | let me tell you what happened: |
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| MarcoH | In Trinity, at the right bottom side in the Taskbar next to the clock |
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| MarcoH | there are tray icons |
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| MarcoH | do you know what I mean? |
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| MarcoH | There is a blue tray icon with 2 arrows in it |
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| SlavekB | yes, tderand-tray icon) |
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| MarcoH | Screen resize & Rotate ? |
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| MarcoH | that's what I see when I hover it |
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| MarcoH | I clicked it before |
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| MarcoH | then I clicked on the 2nd screen |
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| MarcoH | now I got... let my try to explain it |
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| MarcoH | the external screen shows everything the laptop usually showed |
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| MarcoH | the laptop shows the chat window as well |
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| MarcoH | but now more taskbar |
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| MarcoH | so it is kind of mirrored |
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| MarcoH | but no taskbar on the laptop any more |
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| SlavekB | You can set resolution 1600x900 |
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| MarcoH | I think I know why |
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| MarcoH | yep, that's what I thought |
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| MarcoH | maybe the taskbar is there |
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| MarcoH | but outside of the visible area |
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| MarcoH | Shall I do that in the Trinity Control Center? |
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| MarcoH | damn it |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, next problem occured |
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| MarcoH | when I click the T-Menu button |
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| MarcoH | the T-Menu (formerly K-Menu) appears 100 px above the button |
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| SlavekB | try: dcop kicker panel restart |
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| SlavekB | try: dcop kicker kicker restart |
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| MarcoH | I messed it up again |
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| MarcoH | I was in the Control Center under Monitor & Display |
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| MarcoH | tried to adjust the resolution |
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| MarcoH | it looked wrong |
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| MarcoH | then I said "Revert to previous configuration2 |
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| MarcoH | and now I am on my laptop again |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, update: |
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| MarcoH | when clicking the try icon again, I could reactivate the 2nd screen |
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| MarcoH | restarting kicker made the 100 px problem go away |
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| MarcoH | now the only remaining problem is the laptop |
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| MarcoH | the resoltution is wrong |
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| MarcoH | on my laptop, I cannot see my taskbar |
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| MarcoH | Can I set a different resolution for both screens? |
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| MarcoH | I reboot |
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| MarcoH | re |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB? |
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| MarcoH | I am very close to a solution now :) |
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| MarcoH | thank you for your help! |
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| MarcoH | I think, the only problem is, that the two screens have different solutions |
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| MarcoH | the following worked for me: |
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| MarcoH | xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1600x900 --output eDP --primary && xrandr --output VGA-0 --same-as eDP |
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| MarcoH | I must use both the commands |
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| MarcoH | then it works |
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| MarcoH | however, then the external screen's aspect ratio is wrong |
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| MarcoH | can I use 1600x900 for Screen 1 and 1920x1080 for screen B ? |
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| SlavekB | you can try to combine it: |
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| SlavekB | xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto --same-as eDP --output eDP --primary |
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| MarcoH | nothing happened |
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| MarcoH | the external screen will be turned towards an other person |
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| MarcoH | and my laptop will be turned towards me |
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| MarcoH | so both should work properly at the same time |
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| MarcoH | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101490/mirror-dual-monitors-with-different-resolutions |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, did you let me alone? |
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| MarcoH | thank you for your help so far |
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| MarcoH | I leave now |
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| MarcoH | bye bye have a nice evening! |
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| MarcoH | thank you |
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| MarcoH | re |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, sorry for bothering... I got it to work |
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| MarcoH | there is only 1 problem left: |
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| MarcoH | I created a script in "~/.trinity/Autostart/screen" |
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| MarcoH | containing the xrandr command |
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| MarcoH | I set the chmod of it to 777 |
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| MarcoH | but when I rebooted, nothing happened |
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| MarcoH | when I ran the xrandr command by hand, it worked |
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| MarcoH | any idea why the ~/.trinity/Autostart/ directory does not work? |
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| SlavekB | script ~/.trinity/Autostart/screen is shell script or "desktop" file? |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, I do not understand the question, so I tell you what I did: |
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| MarcoH | 1) cat > ~/.trinity/Autostart/screen |
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| MarcoH | 2) xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1600x900 --same-as eDP |
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| MarcoH | 3) CTRL + C |
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| MarcoH | 4) chmod 777 ~/.trinity/Autostart/screen |
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| MarcoH | so is this a shell script or a desktop file? I'd say a shell scrit?! |
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| MarcoH | *script |
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| SlavekB | I'm sure if is expected file type "desktop" in Autostart. |
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| MarcoH | how to achieve that? |
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| SlavekB | you can click by rigth button => Create new / Application Shortcut. |
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| MarcoH | in konqueror? |
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| SlavekB | on desktop |
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| SlavekB | or in konqueror |
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| MarcoH | I have different Options there |
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| MarcoH | Create New => |
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| MarcoH | Folder |
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| MarcoH | Text File |
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| MarcoH | HTML File |
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| MarcoH | Link to Location (URL) |
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| MarcoH | Link to Application |
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| SlavekB | Link to Application <= |
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| MarcoH | Link to Device |
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| MarcoH | so I have to create a link to an application in the autostart? |
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| SlavekB | I guessed item name from Czech translation :) |
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| MarcoH | should I put the script under /usr/bin then? |
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| MarcoH | oh =) |
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| MarcoH | I am testing it |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, https://filebin.net/2k12fhn6d9ns2zac/mirror_screen.desktop |
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| MarcoH | does that look good? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| MarcoH | thank you |
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| MarcoH | is it a good idea to put this in trinity's Autostart at all? |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| MarcoH | because, I feel like the screen is not very sharp |
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| MarcoH | like, normally it would be 1920x1080 |
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| MarcoH | I force it to 1600x900 |
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| MarcoH | and I feel like it was sharper at 1920x1080 |
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| MarcoH | I remember, back on Windows XP (looong time ago) it was always blurry when I changed my screen resolution |
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| MarcoH | when then then restarted (under the new resolution) it was sharp again |
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| MarcoH | so I assumed, that setting the screen resolution after trinity desktop has started could cause the blurred look |
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| MarcoH | SlavekB, thank you for your help |
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| MarcoH | I am off now |
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| MarcoH | Have a nice day! |
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| abdorhman | Hi, know where to find a mutant turkey around here?? |
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| _Chris_ | He is in this channel :) |
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| poisond | hi :) |
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| poisond | does tde have multihead support? |
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| poisond | I can't seem to be able to configure separate desktops |
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| MutantTurkey | yes |
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| MutantTurkey | it should |
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| MutantTurkey | poisond: sorry are you still here? |
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| MutantTurkey | try the xrandr frontend for tde |
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| MutantTurkey | poisond: look in the control center... |
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| SlavekB | MutantTurkey: I believe that poisond has in mind something else than multiple monitors in a single session. |
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| SlavekB | poisond: I fear that the allocation of resources (monitors, keyboards, mice), you must do manually in Xorg configuration. |
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| MutantTurkey | no |
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| MutantTurkey | there is a frontend too that tim wrote |
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| MutantTurkey | also... check out xrandr you can do most of it on the fly without bothering with your xorg conf |
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| SlavekB | I
believe that poisond wants on one computer multiple independent
users/sessions == each with its own display + keyboard + mouse. |
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| SlavekB | It
is possible to configure the TDM to be initialized on more "heads" with
different configurations of Xserver == each Xserver with its own
resources. |
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| MutantTurkey | oh.... |
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| MutantTurkey | sure login with different users on different heads would be done with multiple x servers i suppose? |
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| MutantTurkey | but if it's multihead that i think it is, randr is what you wanna you |
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| MutantTurkey | use |
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| poisond | MutantTurkey:
SlavekB sorry, had company ^^ I meant for the window manager to be
aware. Maximising a window will span it over both displays, can't
configure which display a panel is shown(If I even remember correctly
that kde3 had support for that) and so on |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | I have a serious problem |
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| SemiNus | in
kwrite, I get syntax highlighting for Javascript when it's placed
between <script
type="text/javascript"></script> tags and
the document is hightlighted as PHP or HTML Document |
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| SemiNus | but,
when the document is saved as .js document, and
so there are _no_ <script> tags (because it's a .js Document)
there is NO syntax highlighting |
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| SemiNus | I am just coding a larger project, and it is giving me a hard time |
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| SemiNus | I come back in the evening, I guess it's a bad time to ask :) |
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| SemiNus | see you later |
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| SemiNus | hi all |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB? |
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| SemiNus | kwrite
can do syntax hightlighting for Javascript when it's an HTML or PHP
document, and the Javascript source it enclosed within <script>
tags |
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| SemiNus | <script type="text/javascript>....</script> |
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| SemiNus | but, when I have a normal *.js file with javascript, there is no code highlighting |
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| SemiNus | is there any way to fix this? |
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| SemiNus | please |
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| Space_Man | seminus could check kwrite's settings/configure editor//highlighting and scroll down to script/javascript |
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| pitriss | Guys
do somebody remember firefox plugin that make possible to store its
passwords into kwallet? Do you think its possiible to make it work again
for trinity? |
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| pitriss | https://github.com/maciex/mozilla-kwallet //something like that but for trinity |
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| pitriss | https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php/Firefox+addon+for+kwallet?content=116886 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Good idea. |
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| SemiNus | hi all |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, are you here? |
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| SemiNus | I tried everything I could, but I cannot get the syntax highlighting to work in kwrite |
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| SlavekB | I'm sorry, just I go away for a while. |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, please at least read what I write when you come back |
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| SemiNus | the following files exist: |
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| SemiNus | ~/.trinity/share/apps/katepart/syntax/javascript.xml |
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| SemiNus | ~/.trinity/share/apps/katepart/syntax/javascript-php.xml |
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| SemiNus | since
syntax highlighting worked in the KDE 4 kwrite, I compared
the javascript.xml file or KDE 4 kwrite with the
Trinity Desktop kwrite one |
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| SemiNus | they are identical |
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| SemiNus | however, there is a different version as well (for kde4) and there are 2 different directories where they are stored (kde4) |
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| SemiNus | .local/share/katepart5/syntax/ |
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| SemiNus | and: |
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| SemiNus | /usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/ |
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| SemiNus | but,
whatever I copied
to ~/.trinity/share/apps/katepart/syntax/javascript.xml
- there was never syntax highlighting |
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| SemiNus | then I tried a trick: |
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| SemiNus | I copied the "javascript.xml" file to "perl.xml" |
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| SemiNus | and choose Perl for Syntax highlighting even though it's a Javascript file |
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| SemiNus | still no syntax highlighting for JS |
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| SemiNus | BUT: |
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| SemiNus | when
I select PHP or HTML for Syntax Highlighting, Javascript
DOES highlight!! (between <script> tags of course) |
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| SemiNus | but I am talking about real JS files |
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| SemiNus | *.js |
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| SemiNus | even manually setting the Syntax Highlighting to Javascript does not help |
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| SemiNus | I am totally out of ideas |
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| SemiNus | by the way: it's exactly the same problem with "kate" |
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| SemiNus | you can try it out by typing something like: |
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| SemiNus | var foo = 'bar'; |
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| SemiNus | or: |
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| SemiNus | document.getElementById('foo').style.visibility = 'hidden'; |
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| SemiNus | that is JS code |
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| SemiNus | if you get this to highlight, it works |
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| SemiNus | for me - it's black - no colors |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB? |
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| SlavekB | Javascript files are with extension .js? |
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| SemiNus | yes SlavekB |
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| SlavekB | What distribution you use? |
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| SemiNus | I am going to upload what I wrote so that you can read it |
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| SemiNus | Ubuntu |
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| SlavekB | And version? |
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| SlavekB | A few days ago is commit to fix mimetype detection: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/commit/?id=f54496a1 |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, https://filebin.net/sr6f392yitslkz0o/paste.txt |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, xenial |
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| SemiNus | Ubuntu Xenial |
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| SemiNus | actually kubuntu |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, the "javascript.xml" file contains nothing that would look like a reasonable thing to me |
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| SemiNus | let's take the term getElementById as an example |
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| SemiNus | when I grep for this term, there must be a search result (in javascript.xml) |
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| SemiNus | but there is none |
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| SlavekB | You use R14.0.4 or preliminary stables builds? |
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| SemiNus | so there must be another file |
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| SemiNus | 14.0.3 |
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| SemiNus | if I did it right... |
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| SemiNus | yep, must be 14.0.3 |
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| SlavekB | 14.0.3
is previous Trinity relase. Current stable is 14.0.4 and in Preliminary
Stable Builds are preliminary packages for 14.0.5. |
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| SemiNus | so if I upgraded, it would work? |
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| SemiNus | I am always a little afraid of upgrades... |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure, if problem may be related to mimetype detection. |
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| SemiNus | but I selected the Highlighting to "Javascript" by hand |
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| SemiNus | that must work |
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| SemiNus | and there is a javascript.xml file for the highlighting |
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| SemiNus | but that file cannot work |
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| SemiNus | it contains none of the words that would be highlighted in JS |
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| SlavekB | not work even manual selection? |
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| SemiNus | nah |
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| SemiNus | did you read my paste? |
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| SemiNus | https://filebin.net/sr6f392yitslkz0o/paste.txt |
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| SemiNus | I tried quite a lot... |
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| SemiNus | even copied over KDE 4 files to test it |
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| SemiNus | but the javascript.xml file of KDE 4 is identical to the one in Trinity |
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| SlavekB | Ah, I missed that note about manual selection. |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, why does it work between <script> tags in HTML and PHP files? |
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| SemiNus | there MUST be a file holding this hightlighting info |
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| SemiNus | and as I said, if I greped for a term that is specific to JS, I would need to find the XML file holding the highlighting info |
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| SemiNus | I greped for "getElementById" in .local and inf .trinity |
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| SemiNus | typo |
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| SemiNus | in .local and in .trinity and in .config |
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| SemiNus | SlavekB, if you are not talking to me anymore, I would leave now?! |
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| SlavekB | please, can you fill bug? |
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| SemiNus | yes |
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| SemiNus | thank you for your help! |
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| SemiNus | I file you in a bug report |
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| SemiNus | Have a wonderful day =) |
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| _Chris_ | Anyone
here knowing if KWord is able to change the character spacing/pitch. I
mean the spaces between the characters, so that they fit in one line for
example. That is something I noticed a difference to LibreOffice. I
might be able to change that, but I can't find this kind of option
anywhere, also searched the web for it a bit. I think my document looks
different because KWord doesn't know about character spacing, so it
can't |
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| _Chris_ | render it from the *.odt file. That I can't imagine that it's not possible. So anyone know about? |
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| _Chris_ | Something like that for example: http://www.taming-openoffice-org.com/newsite/?page_id=84 |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
I think this is not possible in plaintext editors in general.. it needs
to be some kind of richtext or something simmilar |
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| pitriss | ahh kword. my bad |
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| pitriss | sorry not using this.. i read kwrite |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
yes, I just wanted to write that. Not KWrite. The question is still in
the room. Otherwise I could look at KWord of KDE4 if it renders this, or
has this option. Possible would be some kind of backport maybe, but I
think that will be complicated, I don't know. But would be interesting. I
have my style of doing documents for all kind of people, so the overall
first impression is important of these documents. No there are some
kind |
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| _Chris_ | of
lines which wrap to a new page, only because of this lacking character
spacing. Otherwise I could had change that to fit on one or two pages.
But no. I have investigated a bit until I found out what is the
difference to LibreOffice. I first thought some kind of fonts, but no. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise KWord is such lightweight that I don't need to close my tab-collection-browser while doing documents. :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | hi guys |
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| AlexLikeRock | excelent job |
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| AlexLikeRock | do you considere start FORK of KDE 4? |
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| AlexLikeRock | we need :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | wil back ... |
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| _Chris_ | I fear the story will be repeated. |
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| pitriss | hehe.. I dont think that any part of KDE4 is worth forking.. |
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| pitriss | it was bugged from the start and never reached really stable state.. |
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| _Chris_ | This
people are now the generation who thinks KDE5 is bad. Same like us with
KDE3. Maybe this people never learned about KDE3 and started their
first experience with KDE4. |
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| _Chris_ | I observed this with a lot of things. That's life. We are getting old :) |
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| pitriss | hehe I never thought that KDE3 is bad.. I loved it from first time:) |
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| _Chris_ | KDE5 with material design from google, I don't know if it's actually reality, but at least it will happen with KDE6. Sad world. |
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| pitriss | I love how KDE3.5 was done, how every component can be replaced easily, how it contains everything you may need..:) |
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| _Chris_ | No,
me neither. I just meant these people loving KDE4 are most likely
people joining linux to KDE4 time. For them KDE4 is like KDE3 and KDE5
is like KDE4 for us, back in the days. |
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| pitriss | yes, today it may be not truth but still there is many things that are done in really nice way in KDE3/Trinity |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, true. Something like KTeatime. For real. I never found something like this for GTK or so. |
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| _Chris_ | There
was a nice video on youtube I found some time ago, about what was KDE3
and what options you don't find in todays desktop, because they think
users are stupid. The wallpaper filters/effects are some example. |
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| pitriss | exactly..
KDE4 was crippled to be not so confusing for users but they messed it
and some parts like plasma & akonadi was never simple and easy to
use.. in fact thez are source of most problems of kde4 |
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| _Chris_ | The
sentences about having a "brain fog" if you used too long inefficient
DEs is true, I think timothy has wrote that anywhere a long time ago.
You need your time to adopt to make use of TDEs possibilities for your
workflow. I just started using custom shortcuts on my desktop for
starting some shell scripts and Java apps. |
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| pitriss | Many
stability issues are caused by plasma, many are caused by akonadi...
and unfortunatelly theres no real way how to get rid of them.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
because the whole KDE PIM stack is using it as I know. Most people are
throwing Nepomuk or what it is called from their system right from
start. |
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| pitriss | customized shortcuts in TDE are really lovely thing.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it is :-) |
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| pitriss | And
useractions are also nice part of it.. define gesture/keystroke, what
should be done, where it should be done.. very powerful thingy |
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| _Chris_ | But
that seemed to be too complex for stupid users, so they removed it from
KDE4. So you need a bit of time if you come from KDE4 or so. You need
to adopt to this better workflow. So the statement above is true. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, Koffice went down in 2012, did you know that? |
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| _Chris_ | After that they forked it, now it is called calligra suite. |
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| pitriss | I
used these with combination of xmodmap to remap whole multimedia part
of my keyboard:) Nope.. As I dont use rich editors way too much.. I
prefer plaintext, retext.. |
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| pitriss | I can write scripts so no use for calc etc for me.. scripts are more easy for me:) |
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| _Chris_ | I
just wanted to say that, because I wanted to test how KOffice from KDE4
is behaving, so I found out there is no KOffice anymore for KDE4. And
yes also the DCOP options in every application are a nice thing. You can
see them with DCOPBrowser and make some shurtcuts too. Lovely made.
Maybe you can do the same with dbus, but the fact that KDE3 shipped this
DCOPBrowser shows that it was done lovely. |
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| pitriss | there
is only few things I miss in TDE.. Hot corners ability, native app for
qalculate, some fixes in yakuake and few more minor things |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, right. Your hot corner! Have you tested this script I linked? |
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| pitriss | DCOP is nice when you know how to use it.. but err. its broken in yakuake..:D and some documentation would be nice.. |
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| pitriss | Eg i didnt find way documentation on how to write scripts for kopete.. I knew that years ago, but i successfuly forgot that |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I didn't know that it is broken in yakuake. |
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| pitriss | yes
i tried.. was nice start but I needed some tweaks for that app and my
friend who is C++ guy told me it would be reallz pain to implement mouse
position tracking into it.. |
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| _Chris_ | You
can find some examples in the internet, your favorited search engine
should give you examples. And with DCOPBrowser you see the actions, I
wanted to take a closer look future. So you can control amarok for
example, having some play/pause etc. buttons in superkaramba. |
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| _Chris_ | That's sad to hear... |
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| pitriss | so i need to do my cron checking thingy.. but its nothing serious and nothing hard to write |
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| pitriss | i know what to use so only need to study man of these things:) |
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| _Chris_ | That would be a good native feature for R15 hehe. At least because there is some corner check code in the kscreensaver. |
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| pitriss | amarok is not bad player but i prefer to have more freedom so mpd for me:) it have no gui, can be scripted etc.. |
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| pitriss | But to be honest, it become way too much bloated last days.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know, you wrote that already some time ago, I never tested mpd, but heard a lot good about it :-) |
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| pitriss | i dont think samba shares is something that music player must know about.. |
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| _Chris_ | No, you can use curlfs for it for example, or something similar. |
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| pitriss | its system way and task for sysadmin to deal with samba share properly.. so not need to have this in music player |
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| _Chris_ | They want to integrate it? |
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| pitriss | they already did unfortunatelly |
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| _Chris_ | I not into this samba, I only use NFS. So I have some NFS share in TDE and play my music with amarok from it. |
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| _Chris_ | And
yes, you can find all you need over man page I am sure, but I found
about that examples searching about DCOP in the past. I also found some
PDF claiming that DCOP is 18 times faster or so than DBUS. |
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| pitriss | yeah
thats the point.. samba/nfs/whatever should stay to be system thing..
theres no reason why musicplayer should know about that. thats
completely different layer of system so completely no need to drag that
into player.. |
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| pitriss | it can only drag new bugs into system.. next thing that needs to be updated when MS changes its specification etc.. |
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| _Chris_ | I am sure in Gentoo I can compile it without samba support, let's take a look. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, I have a samba use flag. |
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| pitriss | i think it can be.. and I have self compiled version.. but still.. it will slow down developement of mpd as whole.. |
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| _Chris_ | That was the reason I changed to Gentoo to be honest, all kind of software today is precompiled with all kind of support in. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| pitriss | new bugs, new things to be fixed, improved and so on.. you know what i mean.. mpd should play music.. |
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| pitriss | i hate that lack of KISS approach.. |
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| _Chris_ | I
tried to go back to binary distributions several times, but if I just
want to install some kind of application, it pulls in all kind of deps.
That makes me sad. But I understand that it is difficult to do the other
way if you are your target are normal users. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, but Konqueror is also not very KISS, right? :-) |
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| pitriss | lol you didnt saw my previous install of debian lenny:D it has 1/3 of system things self compiled |
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| pitriss | Im affraid browser cant be KISS as web specifications are messed up badly |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I thought about some second ago. |
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| _Chris_ | No, but it is filemanager, browser, image viewer.... all. |
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| pitriss | all these HTML5 with POW rendering, openGL support, and other shit that never should be there |
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| _Chris_ | But that makes it so powerfull. But it is modular. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I am really angry about this web 2.0 as you said, back in the days it was bad if some page only works with JS enabled. |
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| pitriss | yeah and tbh.. every browser is some kind of image viewer, file manager... |
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| pitriss | and Im using ksquirrel for image browsing..:) |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't check why they need this HTML5/Flash players anyway, why they
don't use native video player plugins like kaffeine/divx-player and so
on which simply play the *.avi files or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean specific for video streaming. |
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| pitriss | exactly..
now its standard.. disable JS and you are fkd.. some sites will display
nothing but white screen.. some will get you stupid warning about not
supported browser.. its not about browser, its about incompetency of
webcoder.. |
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| pitriss | yesss.. i completely miss that old mplayer-firefox addon.. |
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| pitriss | i have kind of workaround for that at least outside browser.. |
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| _Chris_ | And
the W3C? I recall the days beeing proud of having my validated with
CSS3/XHTML 1.1 button on my webpages. These pages are rendered properly
with konqueror still! |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, there is mozzplugger. |
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| _Chris_ | And some plugin.... |
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| pitriss | i have script that i assigned in TDE as default web browser.. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, and that works? |
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| _Chris_ | You
can install some kind of user-js script manager plugin + mozzplugger +
some kind of user-js script (youtube+) or something like that, which
replace all flash content/html5 players with any native video player you
want. |
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| pitriss | in
this script I compare address with some regular expressions and when
its recognized as possible video, it is sent to smplayer.. otherwise its
sent to x-www-browser |
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| _Chris_ | But it's a pain in the ass to get it working. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. |
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| _Chris_ | http://isebaro.com/viewtube/?ln=en |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: if you want to look: https://gitlab.com/chytrex/youtube-in-smplayer/tree/master |
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| pitriss | its just simple as possible.. for me works quite well.. |
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| _Chris_ | I will take a look at it. |
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| pitriss | me
and few of my friends are using it as we prefer to use IRC client for
jabber MUC and other chats so when link is clicked there it is parsed by
that script:) |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly in seamonkey/palemoon/firefox is not so easy to script this.. |
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| pitriss | its for safety reasons.. ..but still i would like to do so:D |
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| _Chris_ | So you don't need any browser to open when chatting in IRC/Jabber, only smplayer, right? |
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| pitriss | yes.. if its pointing to supported site:) |
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| _Chris_ | Very nice. |
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| _Chris_ | And smplayer is using youtube-dl internaly as I know. |
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| pitriss | but some pages have video links obfuscated and its just not worth that effort:) |
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| _Chris_ | So theoretically you could redirect that to other players too. |
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| pitriss | yes.. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice :-) |
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| pitriss | its just easier with smplayer as no other things needed.. |
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| pitriss | and me and my friends are used to smplayer so this is not an issue:D |
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| _Chris_ | I still have smplayer and I like it too. |
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| pitriss | its hack, i know.. but it makes using internet more nice so i dont care:) |
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| _Chris_ | No, it's perfectly legitime for my taste. Creative. |
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| pitriss | and i used ruby (1.8) for it as its on wheezy and it have superpowers when dealing with RegExes:) |
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| pitriss | maybe will need tweaks on newer ruby.. but its on git so..:D |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise
you couldn't find out if it is some video. Links lack some kind of
descriptions like file extensions, so you need something to filter that
out. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I don't know what ruby version I am using right now. Let me see. |
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| pitriss | i just picked sites we are watching often and did research for easiest way to get link to video:D |
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| _Chris_ | 2.1.9 :D |
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| pitriss | i guess 2 something:) |
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| _Chris_ | Right :-) |
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| pitriss | Debian is just sticking to old versions:D |
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| _Chris_ | New weapons in the web 2.0 war. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know :-) |
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| pitriss | but these essentials should stay compatible i guess:) |
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| pitriss | yeah.. exactly..:) |
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| _Chris_ | I will try that script next days. Looks promising. |
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| pitriss | on
ruby i love fact that you can get part of string you checked in if
statement in that statement.. Awesome.. In PHP it was needed to redo
that check to get result:) |
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| _Chris_ | I also read myself that ruby is powerfull with that. |
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| pitriss | i mean: if link =~ /http[s]?:\/\/i\.imgur\.com\/(.+)\.webm/i |
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| _Chris_ | Just
for understand it right, if you click on a youtube link from
firefox/seamonkey/palemoon/konqueror, it will not open smplayer, right? |
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| pitriss | you can access that portion of string which is result of ( regex ) with $1 variable.. easy, efficient, elegant |
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| pitriss | yes.. |
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| pitriss | it works outside browser. |
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| _Chris_ | Some to work inside browser would be interesting too in addition. |
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| pitriss | ..it works where tde have control on calling browser... |
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| pitriss | yeah.. i would love to.. but as i stated before.. it is activelz refused in browser scripting for safetz reasons.. |
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| pitriss | i didnt even found way how to do so via greasemonkey addon |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
yes, I understand. That something good not to fire up your browser if
you are in IRC. Inside browser I will use this viewtube user js script
than, if it works in TDE konqueror. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's some point... |
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| pitriss | you just cant call external app/script from pm/seamonkey |
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| pitriss | i understand why.. but I want to control that.. i want that possibility and Im aware of possible risks.. |
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| _Chris_ | But
you can have kaffeine/mplayer-plugin. And some user-js script (viewtube
link I pasted) AND if you want the mozzplugger-plugin, so it opens
external smplayer TOO. |
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| pitriss | it can be handled.. eg list of allowed apps to be called.. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I never investigated further. It's open for later. |
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| pitriss | mozzplugger sounds promising..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I am using kpdf in palemoon embeeded this way. Works perfectly. |
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| pitriss | maybe ill look into that soon.. i will share my knowledge then:D |
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| _Chris_ | You click on *.pdf and it opens in kpdf. |
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| _Chris_ | In palemoon embeeded, not as stand alone, but standalone is possible too. |
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| _Chris_ | So with this viewtube script, I could get ride of flash or html5 video streams with konqueror. |
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| _Chris_ | I can list youtube videos with konqueror, but if I click some video, it will open in smplayer. |
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| pitriss | i accomplished that external pdf by just assinging kpdf to pdfs in browser.. and "use this automagically" |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that's also possible. That is some default setting of mozzplugger I
think. I never have set it this way. But I liked it. I use it embeeded. |
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| pitriss | LOL debian: |
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| pitriss | sug: mozplugger |
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| pitriss | Package not available |
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| _Chris_ | Palemoons internal pdf viewer is broken and deactivated per default now. |
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| pitriss | dependencies for iceweasel..:D |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| pitriss | lol i saw that for first time.. package not available:D |
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| pitriss | ill compile it then:D |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know why. |
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| pitriss | me too.. |
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| _Chris_ | What debian you use you said? |
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| _Chris_ | jessie and up is only having it. |
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| _Chris_ | it seems. |
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| pitriss | wheezy.. oldstable.. just because its last one without systemd.. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you considered to change to Devuan? |
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| pitriss | and next step will be devuan.. as they did great work by removing that plague from debian |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have talked with some of them some time ago, they were very friendly. |
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| pitriss | not
needed yet.. this install of debian is quite fresh as i had disk
corruption year ago and everything is working as I wish.. no need to
reinstall:) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that's sad. |
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| _Chris_ | I
only use some enterprise Western Digital HDDs and some Samsung F1
enterprise devices, they had 7 years warranty. But that all don't helps
if your server makes some big jump from your table, while running....... |
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| _Chris_ | Some extra magical vibrate redution sensor don't helps in this case, sadly. |
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| _Chris_ | *reduction |
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| pitriss | yeah..
it happens.. I had reasonably old backup.. but.. my lenny install was
looong time unsupported and it was something between gentoo and debian
and err.. just mess after years.. so I decided to use wheezy as its
still LTS |
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| _Chris_ | But
it was only one HDD, I just had luck. The thing is, I never tested if
it is working still. I fear not. Some kind of headcrash for sure. I have
opened some HDDs already, repaired the stucking read/write head and
they worked afterwards. I know, that's bad, but... it works. |
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| _Chris_ | But you need some kind of dust-free room. They are not as sensitive as you think. |
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| pitriss | if it works long enough to at least recover all its data.. its OK:) |
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| pitriss | as you said.. Creative:D |
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| _Chris_ | Right! That is the key! |
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| _Chris_ | But I have to admit, I used it further after taking back my data and the funny part is, it works still, years after that. |
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| _Chris_ | But
if the magnetic plate is having some scratches than you have some
problems. But you can use dd to get some image, mount it localy and you
will get at least your not damaged data back. |
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| _Chris_ | Would be interesting if I get the KHTML userscript extension working under TDEs Konqueror. I will report. |
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| pitriss | user scripts (not only js but css) would be really nice:) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes :-) |
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| pitriss | ok.. so mozplugger seems working with seamonkey.. its loaded.. now needs to configure it properly.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the configure part was the part I had no time anymore. So I preserve it until today. |
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| _Chris_ | There are some defaults preconfigured I think. |
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| _Chris_ | But you need greasemonkey for user scripts + viewtube too if you want to do what I wrote above. |
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| _Chris_ | So page get parsed with the user script and finds the video file, the video file will be opened with mozplugger in smplayer. |
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| pitriss | yep.. it should open mpeg videos in mplayer.. but it seems as not working on youtube.. need more research |
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| _Chris_ | The user script is viewtube then. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| pitriss | ok viewtube installed.. |
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| _Chris_ | And something like greasemonkey to use user scripts. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean it didn't work the time I tested it. But I thought it was some problem of palemoon. |
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| _Chris_ | I think the KDE3 KHTML user script is that -> https://store.kde.org/p/1081003/ and for KDE4 the update was this -> https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php?content=140676 |
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| pitriss | greasemonkey is one of few first extensions i ever isntall:D |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay. |
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| _Chris_ | That gitlab is at least useable under konqueror wonders me. Not bad. Don't looks good, but it works. |
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| poisond | hi :) |
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| _Chris_ | Hello poisond :-) |
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| poisond | I've
got a dual-head setup, but tde sees it as one display, so maximising a
window stretches it across both displays .... any suggestions how to fix
that? ^^ |
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| poisond | http://pastebin.ca/3760894 |
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| poisond | also kcontrol won't let me configure it, just lists one display |
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| _Chris_ | poisond: Hm, I don't know. Maybe other can help you, please wait a bit for that. Have you used TDERandRTray already? |
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| poisond | sec, let me check that |
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| _Chris_ | System -> TDERandRTray. |
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| pitriss | not using dualhead.. so I cant help.. sorry |
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| _Chris_ | I
just used it in WindowMaker so far. But it made me also some problems.
Especially streaming with flash. I got ride of that setup therefore.
It's up for next time. |
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| _Chris_ | Two CRTs :-) |
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| pitriss | hehe
my desk is too small to have 2 75W spleakers on that and 2 CRTs there..
these speakers needs some space around to not have infulence on CRTs:D |
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| poisond | tandrtray shows the same as kcontrol |
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| poisond | CRTs? really? :D |
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| _Chris_ | poisond:
Yes, I still love them. I use a 24" Sony FW900 CRT actually. You can
buy them in good condition and used really cheap. :-) |
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| poisond | My eyes can't handle CRTs anymore ^^ |
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| _Chris_ | poisond: Hm, your second screen is not shown anywhere? |
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| poisond | nope, just shows one screen, resolution 1080p |
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| _Chris_ | poisond: Only if they are worn out, otherwise they are sharp. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you paste the output of xrandr from the konsole? But please use some kind of paste service :-) |
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| poisond | already did |
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| poisond | in the pastebin link |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay, I just have overseen it. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Have you unplugged it already while running TDE, the second screen? Because xrandr seems to see you second screen. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
time ago here was someone also with dualscreen setup problems, SlavekB
helped him, I think some suggestion was to use xrandr directly with some
commands. I am not into that really to be honest. I don't can recall
exactly what was the problem in the end. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you used "rescan my displayes" in TDERandRTray? |
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| poisond | just tried replugging. Funny enough I have to reactivate the output port in the tray but it still only shows one screen |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| poisond | I don't have that option |
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| _Chris_ | Under the "resolution and layout" tab. "Rescan Displays" button. |
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| poisond | are we talking about the same application? |
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| _Chris_ | And under "Brightness and Gamma" tab, you get also only ONE display? |
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| poisond | TDERandRTray? I don't have any tabs, I can open kcontrol but I don't have a rescan there |
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| _Chris_ | poisond:
TDERandRTray -> Configure Displays (from context menu) -> Than
you get the tabs I am speaking of. Maybe this one option is not existing
in your version, I don't know exactly... |
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| poisond | got it ^^ |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay. |
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| _Chris_ | And there you can configure your displays. |
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| _Chris_ | Try to do a rescan. |
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| poisond | yeah, nothing changes ... shows 2 displays, when I identify it only showss me 1 screen ... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, you mean 2 displays in "brightness and gamma"? |
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| poisond | resolution/layout |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
yes, there too. Have you played with the "use this device as primary
monitor" and "extend my trinity desktop onto this monitor" options?
Maybe it treats them as one monitor otherwise. So you simply have one
monitor in the picture above, yes? |
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| pitriss | poisond:
yes really CRTs.. My eyes cant handle these High contrast, glowing
black LCDs:) My eizo T561 have much better colors than any LCD i saw
already:) |
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| poisond | my eizo LCD has better colors than any CRT I ever had :o) |
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| _Chris_ | And
OLEDs displays are having better blacks, but tends to go yellow,
because the blue OLEDs are getting weak very fast (see samsung
Smartphone displays). |
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| poisond | _Chris_: https://ibin.co/3AK9xDxM3gXh.png |
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| _Chris_ | poisond: Yes, but the blacks. You cant shutdown backlight on TFTs, at least as I know. I will take a look, moment. |
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| _Chris_ | poisond:
Can you simply click on onto the "5 display" and deselect "extend my
trinity desktop onto this monitor"? I can't test it like I said, but
that is what I would do. |
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| poisond | shows display 3 and 5, if I identify hoever it sees both displays as one (5) |
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| poisond | I I disable extend it completely removes it ... |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see... |
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| poisond | and even better, it then shows 3 in the center of both displays when I identify ... |
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| _Chris_ | poisond:
You simply want screen 3 as your primary screen, with taskbar and so on
and screen 5 to be empty. So if you maximize you get a maximized window
on your primary display (3) and you can swipe it to the secondary
monitor (2) if you want, is that correct? |
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| poisond | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that's good to know. And actually the taskbar is stretched over booth of the displays? |
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| poisond | I've set the taskbar to 50% width, so yes, it is stretched across both |
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| poisond | or rather would be |
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| pitriss | err maybe I can be wrong but how about disabling xinerama in xorg? |
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| _Chris_ | Right, there was something about that. |
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| pitriss | thats something i had issues with back in the days with kde3.5 on dualhead machine |
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| poisond | I haven't configured xinerama |
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| _Chris_ | I think it is activated on the fly. I don't know exactly. |
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| poisond | wait, without xinerama I'd have to run 2 separate X servers if I remember that correctly |
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| poisond | that's not what I want ^^ |
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| pitriss | that xorgs autodetect is satan evil which shall never been implemented.. |
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| _Chris_ | poisond: No. |
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| pitriss | good ol days when linux listened to config |
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| poisond | it's awesome :) haven't had to muck with xorg.conf in forever |
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| _Chris_ | "Xinerama
is an extension to the X Window System that enables X applications and
window managers to use two or more physical displays as one large
virtual display." |
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| _Chris_ | And that is exactly what you don't want to have, right? But maybe we are wrong. |
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| pitriss | translated into human without xinerama youll be able to use both screens but there will be "physical screen borders" applied:) |
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| pitriss | so maximize on one screen only etc:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: But can he swap some windows over this borders then? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: he dont want 2 separate x sessions |
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| pitriss | yes.. |
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| pitriss | its single x session.. |
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| pitriss | so you can move your smplayer on tv hooked to hdmi and play movie there.. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, okay, I wasn't sure anymore. |
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| pitriss | at least what i remember.. its 6 years ago i had to deal with dualhead workstation |
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| _Chris_ | poisond: That is what you have actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama#/media/File:Xinerama_4way.jpg |
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| _Chris_ | And that's something you don't want to have. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, for me I think 4 years too. |
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| pitriss | Option
"Xinerama" "0" //from my xorg conf.. :D But i have fully handcrafted
xorg.conf as that autodetect sucks.. |
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| pitriss | I
prefer to do configuration one time, properly without relying on
autodetect as it can bring unwanted results and then sucessfuly forget
about that things.. not need to touch that for ages anymore:) |
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| poisond | I've been using linux exclusively for 15 years. I don't miss modelines, I don't miss xorg.conf, ... ;) |
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| poisond | if autodetection fails you can still override it |
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| poisond | I do miss kde3 though |
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| poisond | I guess I'll just use the tde apps from lxqt ^^ |
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| poisond | _Chris_:
kwin4/5, openbox and enlightenment all correctly handle this setup, my
guess is tde just doesn't cope with a newer xrandr version or something
like that ... |
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| poisond | ok ^^ok :) |
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| pitriss | _Chris|Laptop_: ok so i got working yt vids in smplayer in some extent:) |
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| pitriss | _Chris|Laptop_: i just needed to switch viewtube to direct link mode and with external player.. and follow this: http://isebaro.com/viewtube/protocol/ |
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| AlexLikeRock | how to make pulse audio, pass trough aRts ,? |
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| AlexLikeRock | to whatcs at visualizator |
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| pitriss | Sorry, I cant help you.. I dont use PA..:) |
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| AlexLikeRock | PA ? |
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| AlexLikeRock | what its ? |
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| Chris_ | PulseAudio. |
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| AlexLikeRock | oh |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | grrr |
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| Chris_ | I don't know either. |
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| Chris_ | If PA has some plugin to route to aRs use that, but I doubt that something like that is existing, should be some kind of "sink". |
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| AlexLikeRock | taks |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: I don't find anything about that at quick look. Which applications you want to route to aRts? |
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| AlexLikeRock | audacious |
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| AlexLikeRock | vlc |
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| AlexLikeRock | clementine |
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| AlexLikeRock | quolibet |
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| Chris_ | Audacious can output to alsa directly. |
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| AlexLikeRock | somting to play mp3, and wathc |
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| AlexLikeRock | y tri |
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| AlexLikeRock | change to pulse, ans restart audacious |
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| AlexLikeRock | and not work |
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| Chris_ | I think PA on your system in configured to route all output to alsa to PA. |
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| Chris_ | Better
to use native TDE apps, amarok for example, but.... it outputs not to
aRts. It outputs to alsa directly. But juke is using aRts as I know. |
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| AlexLikeRock | instaling amarok... |
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| AlexLikeRock | amarok-trinity :-) |
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| Chris_ | Right :-) |
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| Chris_ | You can see a list here: |
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| Chris_ | http://trinitydesktop.org/applications.php |
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| Chris_ | Kaffeine and Amarok outputs not to aRts. But Juke and Kabodle or so. |
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| AlexLikeRock | not work |
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| AlexLikeRock | i change audio to ALSA |
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| AlexLikeRock | , restart amarork |
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| AlexLikeRock | cool |
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| Chris_ | Cool because it works, or was this meant ironically? |
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| AlexLikeRock | cool by juke and kabodle |
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| AlexLikeRock | installing juke |
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| Chris_ | Okay. |
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| AlexLikeRock | juke ,, WORKING...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | I SEE at visualizator at my TOP panel |
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| AlexLikeRock | very cooool |
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| Chris_ | Nice, yes, that are TDE included applications, what system/distribution are you using? |
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| AlexLikeRock | well, its "JUK" |
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| AlexLikeRock | http://picpaste.com/pics/cool-3Co61vOG.1485626747.png |
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| AlexLikeRock | debian stretch |
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| AlexLikeRock | 8.7 |
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| Chris_ | Okay,
just for information if someone other want to help you it's good to
know. And nice, yes JUK, I am not perfectly into that :-P |
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| AlexLikeRock | im back |
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| pitriss | Chris_:
IDK if you noticed my mesage.. I got that viewtube half way working..:D
it redirects yt videos into smplayer.. but now i need to make
mozplugger work too..:D so I can switch modes..:D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, no I noticed I was offline this night with my main machine, so thanks for information! :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | Kabodle not have , playlist , library |
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| AlexLikeRock | :-P |
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| pitriss | i made it working with that their "protocol" thingy and switching to direct link:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Nice. Hm, yes I never got it working too. |
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| pitriss | rest is not working yet.. but its question of time.. |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock:
Hm, I never used it. Otherwise take a look at other video players on
this page I linked you. But I doubt Kaffeine outputs to aRts. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Exactly :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | i love kaffeine |
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| AlexLikeRock | installing .. |
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| pitriss | my
main goal is accomplished.. rest is just finetuning for me..:) I have
sane player and control on what i watching.. as bonus, MP4 videos are
decoded throug VDPAU so no CPU load at all:D |
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| AlexLikeRock | Kmplayer its Mplayer |
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| AlexLikeRock | very good, to watch videos |
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| AlexLikeRock | videoclips |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: VDPAU and so is what I am looking at in near future, never got it working, time problem more. |
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| pitriss | AlexLikeRock:
I would love to help you.. but Im so lucky guy who have ol good SB
Live! card with HW mixer:) So i dont need things like PA/Arts/whatever:) |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: Right, kmplayer uses mplayer. |
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| pitriss | Chris_: VDPAU is working with my nvidia 9800GT flawlessly long time..:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, me too, one machine with SB Live! and onne with SB XFI Extreme Music. |
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| pitriss | (closed source drivers) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: But I have strange audio problems since a while, maybe a hardware fault. |
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| AlexLikeRock | pitriss, i talk before with Chris_ thant you |
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| AlexLikeRock | hahaha |
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| AlexLikeRock | i have 1 hour talking with Chris_ |
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| AlexLikeRock | no problem about |
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| Chris_ | No, 20 minutes or so. |
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| pitriss | SB Live is awesome card.. supported anywhere, hw mixer on it so no need these pulse audio thingys, no .asoundrc voodoo needed:) |
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| Chris_ | All good AlexLikeRock :-) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, and I think the sound is also better, just from personal feeling.
The alsa driver for XFI is not as perfect as the SB Live!. |
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| pitriss | cant
judge as I dont have that card.. but yeah sound from Live! is way
better than onboard card.. which i use for skype and as headphone output
for my mpd:D |
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| pitriss | and yes i use skype without pulse audio.. I found somewhere something that converts that PA into alsa.. so im fine:D |
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| pitriss | I really hate these unnecessary layers like PA in system.. |
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| * TomTheDragon hmms... is there a way to get any of the trinity image viewers to display alpha channel as white, or black? |
| AlexLikeRock | skype , need PAVUCONTROLER |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes I have that too for skype! |
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| TomTheDragon | there is apulse |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Something called apulse. |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Right. |
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| pitriss | exactly that..:D |
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| pitriss | my memory sucks guys, sorry:D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: What a shame they removed alsa support. I liked old skype much more. |
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| pitriss | Chris_: yeah me too.. |
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| TomTheDragon | now... skype lacking integrated volume control is kind of an issue, with using it without yet another layer |
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| pitriss | Chris_: worst on whole Pulse Audio is fact it still needs alsa beneath it to provide drivers |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: This audio things are crap. Also on TDE, it is very problematic. |
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| TomTheDragon | well, of course. it doesn't technically need ALSA |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: You have several layers. |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes, Pulse Audio need a basic librarie of ALSA |
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| TomTheDragon | but, for Linux, it's ALSA |
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| TomTheDragon | so it's kind of pointless unless you do want the network transparency |
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| AlexLikeRock | ALSA do it hard job :-D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss:
aRts is a bit like PA, back in the time PA was called PolyAudio and
people never thought that in some years that will be the default... |
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| AlexLikeRock | pulse its only front end |
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| pitriss | somebody
told me that PA is great because he can tune volume of sounds for every
app.. //nice feature especially when my system sounds are off
completely, and music and video players can do software volume
control..:D |
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| TomTheDragon | yeah... it's just skype that seems to lack that |
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| TomTheDragon | in fact, there might be some kind of sw volume control at the ALSA level, haven't really dug deep |
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| pitriss | skype is broken by design now.. I dont care.. for 1 call per 3 month its ok..:D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss:
Software sound control does something with the sound I read. Very
complex. ALSA itself does some kind of upmixing, also if you use
hardware mixing. |
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| TomTheDragon | I think the situation with all these audio layers would have likely been better, if OSS API was just used in Linux. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, I liked the skype 2 times. |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Exactly. |
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| pitriss | never noticed any disortion or so.. |
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| pitriss | new OSS can be great too, yes.. |
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| pitriss | back in the time i tried JACK.. nice, powerful with one HUGE flaw.. it cant handle 2 soundcards.. |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon:
In the OSS forum there are very interesting dicussions, what ALSA is
doing wrong. Sound sounds much better with OSS some people claim. There
are instructions to get OSS working on Gentoo. |
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| TomTheDragon | well, new OSS can. But some things only available for ALSA |
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| TomTheDragon | specifically, drivers |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: I will try OSS on Gentoo in some time, after testing some other things too. |
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| pitriss | its just linux as whole.. many approaches for one single thing and none of them are perfect:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: OSS went propritary back in the days and therefore they created ALSA. But now OSS is free again. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss:
There is much to read about that ALSA vs OSS topic, I read most of it
some time ago, wanted to post some links here, but wasn't sure if it is
fitting for this channel. |
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| TomTheDragon | suffice to say we probably don't want to just break OSS and ALSA in favor of relying on PA? :P |
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| pitriss | I
read some too.. but for me its not important atm as I dont hear
anything bad on my system.. But yes ther can be many bad design
decisions in alsa of course |
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| pitriss | lol I dont want to use PA.. its also broken in some ways.. |
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| TomTheDragon | mind you I think there are some bad decisions all over the place, but tends to be the case in any huge project |
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| pitriss | PA
shouldnt run systemwide as its officially not recommended.. but what to
do when I want to listen music while booting (possible with mpd) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Interesting :-P |
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| pitriss | Chris_: yeah.. mpd is really lovely player:D i love fact it doesnt need any gui.. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, I wanted to try it out some time ago, but never started to do it. |
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| pitriss | i
control it through multimedia keys on my keyboard. when I want to know
what is playing i can start script which do OSD display.. |
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| pitriss | and to handle playlist theres qmpdclient.. simple music library like thing..:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, OSD is nice, I used audacious before Amarok. |
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| AlexLikeRock | Graphical Clients |
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| AlexLikeRock | gmpc (Gnome Music Player Client) - A fully featured client. |
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| AlexLikeRock | ario - Another GTK based client. |
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| AlexLikeRock | http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients |
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| pitriss | I
dont use that but.. mpd can stream directly (i use icecast), it have
also web frontends.. really nice, and it allow you to let your
creativity flow :D |
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| Chris_ | Yes, I wanted to run it on my server. |
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| pitriss | I
thought about creating some "web radio" thingy based on some raspberry
pi or so and some LCD display.. but no time for that..:D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: I have such a LCD, with remote control. But yes, never really used it too. |
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| pitriss | btw media control for kicker can be also used to control mpd:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, that's good to know. |
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| pitriss | and i saw also mpris implementations for mpd so :) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Back in the days I used XMMS. |
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| pitriss | theres also scrobbling thing, jabber PEP publishing script.. almost unlimited creativity in using that:D |
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| pitriss | xmms yesss.. it can use old winamp skins:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Audacious too. |
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| pitriss | it had messed up support for unicode tho.. |
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| pitriss | i tried audacious too.. but mpd is love for life:D |
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| pitriss | for casual sound files is smplayer enough, for music collection I use mpd..:) |
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| AlexLikeRock | Chris_, |
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| AlexLikeRock | superkaramba ,need a user and password |
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| AlexLikeRock | to acces to API to kde |
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| AlexLikeRock | what about ? |
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| pitriss | and mpd had one great sideefect.. it forced me to tag my collection properly:D |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: I don't know about that, I am using superkaramba without any password... |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: I use a theme from trinity-look. The last recent one. |
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| AlexLikeRock | :'( |
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| AlexLikeRock | well no matther |
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| pitriss | Chris_: uhm whats superkaramba good for? |
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| AlexLikeRock | im happy with visualizator |
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| pitriss | Chris_: i know whats that..:) |
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| AlexLikeRock | Chris_, what video converter to use ? |
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| pitriss | Chris_: but im not getting its use case when I dont see desktop since my session is loaded:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Conky for TDE, to make it short. |
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| pitriss | i have 2 hidden kickers (left and top of screen) with shortcuts to my fave apps, one kicker for kima..:) |
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| pitriss | AlexLikeRock: for simple edits i use avidemux-qt |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock:
I don't know which video editor is good. KDE3 had some application, but
it is not in TDE. I am maybe wrong about that. |
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| AlexLikeRock | ok |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, Kima is good for sensors, superkaramba is also for some interactive things. |
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| pitriss | for converting sound files soundkonverter |
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| pitriss | Chris_: hehe do you have cpu cores utilization % in kima? |
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| pitriss | as i had it working on Lenny.. but on wheezy its not showing.. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Hm, no. |
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| AlexLikeRock | i need wase my time |
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| pitriss | Chris_: hmm then it can be something that was in older kernel in /proc or /sys and in latest kernels its not there |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: any idea about this ^? |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: That is some idea. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: I had this problem with KLaptop, old ACPI compatibility was not included into the kernel. |
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| pitriss | on
my ooold laptop i have here is not working few things too.. sd card
reader as its hooked to some internal proprietal crap and lid switch and
some buttons.. but.. i use it for movie watching from bed so I dont
care:D |
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| pitriss | worst on that lappy is unsupported ATI card..:) that basic xorg driver is painfully slow |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, I also have my old P4 Sony VAIO machine, backlight dimming works perfectly with KPowerSave. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, they removed old DRI1 drivers from MESA. I am having the same
problems with my unichrome pro IGP from VIA. You can get it to work
again, but I just lost the motivation... |
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| pitriss | yeah its not worth that effort.. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: I love old PC hardware. |
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| pitriss | but
with proper driver that lappy would be usable without problem.. I bet i
would force all things to work but.. when graphics is fast as snail..
rest is not worth fixing.. it works somehow, its enough for watching
movies.. :) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: The Matrox VGA cards are also affected, vodoo cards too. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Okay, I see, for this kind of use case you are most likely right. :-) |
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| pitriss | hehe i have working Duron 800MHz machine with GeForce2 440MX 64MBram:D |
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| pitriss | sadly theres no lightweight browser which is supported..:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, that is THE problem today. |
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| pitriss | bloated web standards..:) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Back in the days never could know that in some years the browser will be the RAM/CPU hog. |
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| pitriss | hehe..
unfortunatelly some ppl are stupid enough to put snowing on their
websites and let your 2 cores burn just because it looks cool to them.. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Only on christmas :D |
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| pitriss | yes.. they replace snowflakes with leaves on autumn and with flowers on summer:D |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| Chris_ | There is always a reason. |
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| pitriss | thats one of many reasons why i quitted webcoding.. Ppl are INSANE! their demands, what they want to have on the web.. oh my.. |
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| pitriss | back
in the days one customer wanted to do tiny round corners.. awesome..
without that it was short straghtforward code.. with them it was 3 times
bigger:) |
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| pitriss | and you cant explain why their demand is wrong when they refuse to listen..:D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: KHTML had something for that, right? Pre-CSS3. |
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| Chris_ | Gecko too. |
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| pitriss | yeah now its simpler.. that was in days when CSS2 was shiny new thing:D |
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| pitriss | And when IE6 was plague of the internet:D |
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| Chris_ | Ah yes, I know that time. |
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| pitriss | funny fact.. even IE 9 needed hacks to render pages correctly:D |
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| pitriss | but now there is many possibilites in CSS but ppl still do menus in javascript.. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, I did use that CSS things also back in the days. |
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| pitriss | even
back in the days i was able to do dropdown menu in pure html/css with
simple hack for IE6.. so I really dont get why they using JS for it
still |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Most likely they are using this fancy frameworks... |
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| pitriss | no reason to cripple webpages by JS based menu |
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| Chris_ | Maybe they don't know otherwise. |
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| Chris_ | But you can find simple code examples for it in the web. |
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| pitriss | Chris_: yes... they are lazy to learn how to do properly so framework and lets goo |
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| Chris_ | So there is no reason, yes. |
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| pitriss | of course.. |
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| pitriss | Web today must be hell for ppl with some sight disorder.. |
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| pitriss | not enough contrast colors, no way to use screen reader because of all of this JS everywhere.. |
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| Chris_ | Right,
back in the days also using too much CSS was bad, or better said, if
you couldn't control and view the page with CSS disabled. |
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| pitriss | yep.. css can be disabled and then links are clickable as usual.. so its easy fix when webmaster is idiot.. |
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| pitriss | not apply to JS.. |
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| pitriss | but there is no page that have so unique content.. so if one is shitty, you can find another that suits your needs better |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, but back in the days many used table-based-layouts and not semantic tags. XHTML did a lot to do it right. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Except googles universe and Fakebook. :-) |
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| pitriss | Chris_: yeah table layouts were funny.. you needed to wait till it loads and then it started to render them:D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: I liked table layouts very much in some way. I very much liked phpBB2 forum software. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss:
Back in the days there was a big community, all kind of mods and no,
they were not installed with some magic, you had a instructions.txt with
"open file xyz.php and search "xxxxx" and replace with "xxxx". In some
hours your mod was installed. :-) |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| Chris_ | You
learned a lot this way about the structure and you tested right away to
change some things. Therefore there were a lot of mods. phpBB3 did all
"better" and today there are a lot less mods, the community is broken
today. So bad. |
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| pitriss | phpbb3 is bloated heavyweight crap.. sorry.. but it is.. its VPS killer.. |
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| Chris_ | Right. |
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| Chris_ | But phpBB2 was great. |
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| Chris_ | There were a lot nice mod authors, oxpus, amigalink. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| pitriss | but this trend is everywhere.. i was modder for minetest project.. but err.. not anymore.. |
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| Chris_ | Release
of phpBB3, they never caught up. Today they mostly has their forum
working. phpBB2 had never some fork. There is the phpbb2-refugees forum,
any year there is somebody and want to create some fork, but time went
on and no progress. Today phpbb2 is working with newest PHP still, with
some fixes. Funny. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Minetest is not anymore? |
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| pitriss | core
dev team claim new versions backward compatible which is bullshit..
they encourage users to use dev versions, so modders are trapped in
bunch of inconsistent implementations of everything etc.. |
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| pitriss | minetest exist.. but i see no point in modding |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, I only know that mintest had a fork. |
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| pitriss | when core devs do more and more mess in code.. |
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| TomTheDragon | to be honest, mods compat breakage caused someone I know to quit Minecraft |
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| pitriss | i
remember version 0.4.9 where in dev process were 3 not compatible
version of forms.. combined with users encouraged to use dev versions..
HELL |
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| pitriss | now
i tried to help with some bugfixes in Landrush server.. but eww i dont
like it.. you fix one thing, some mod gets updated and it breaks another
5 things.. |
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| Chris_ | Yes,
you have that with many things. Also with QT and GTK. Less and less
themes are created. Back in the days some software or toolkit was state
of the art for years and people had time to adopt. Today it is much
faster. |
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| pitriss | Chris_: yeah.. but theres no reason for so much changes.. |
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| Chris_ | Today Open Source is ruled by global players like redhat. They have the money and the power to change something. |
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| pitriss | Chris_: and thend like KDE4 => KDE5.. wtf.. they never reached realy stable state for KDE4 and their doing KDE5 ?? |
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| TomTheDragon | that's
honestly the big reason why I use Trinity, because there's a lot of
things that seem like they are going to remain stable for long term, and
still be maintained. |
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| pitriss | *trend |
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| pitriss | TomTheDragon: yeah.. I also love that |
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| Chris_ | Back
in the days most people thought that if linux desktop is something
widespread and firms invest money in linux development all will be
better. I was never believed that. Back in the days open source was done
more by volunteers, was not perfect, but was free software. Today it is
still free software, but it's lead by people with money. |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Exactly. |
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| pitriss | Chris_: thats why Debian adopted systemd without proper testing.:) |
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| TomTheDragon | it's
just harder for the volunteers to "keep up". for what it's worth,
there's not a lot of -need- for the keeping up, aside from a few huge
things. |
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| Chris_ | So if people are motivated to do some theme for TDE, it will work most likely the next 10 years without some change :-P |
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| pitriss | Chris_: because someone paid well on right place |
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| Chris_ | systemd things is also lead by redhat. |
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| TomTheDragon | Web Browser, various network protocols, and Multimedia (with its everchanging container formats and codecs) |
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| pitriss | yes i know |
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| Chris_ | Codecs is something special. |
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| Chris_ | ffmpeg.... |
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| pitriss | BTW
i saved some artwork for KDE3.5/trinity from old live distro Danix
which was KDE3 based.. i kinda like it.. Their approach to penguins were
unique:) Maybe i should try to find place where to upload it:) |
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| Chris_ | It's
very complicated. You have gstreamer, ffmpeg, other libs like lame,
which are not used directly, instead of this ffmpeg use it and gstreamer
is using ffmpeg then.... and so on. |
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| Chris_ | Oh and PA is using gstreamer too, or something like that. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, good idea. |
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| TomTheDragon | there are not a ton of codec backends, though |
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| TomTheDragon | most just use an ffmpeg backend |
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| TomTheDragon | Also, one other minor quip... please don't do what KDE ended up doing to Konqui. |
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| Chris_ | libmpeg123
and libmad are two mp3 decoders, but ffmpeg has some internal mpeg3
decoder too. So and xine for example or gstreamer has then some priority
which codec to prefer. Too many layers. But to make it more complex, a
recent example, aRts can also decode mp3 directly with internal libmpg3
or so, but there is also a xine plugin for aRts. If you install the aRts
plugin for xine, you get video thumbnails in konqueror for example, |
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| Chris_ | but
notifications are not working, because aRts has some files to select
priority for codecs, you you can give xine priority over aRts internal
libmpg123, but xine has also some priority config, because it can use
ffmpeg mp3 decoder or libmpeg123. That's a bit silly. |
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| TomTheDragon | yeah. the layers end up becoming a real nightmare. |
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| Chris_ | Most codecs today are integrated within ffmpeg. |
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| Chris_ | So for what gstreamer then?!? |
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| Chris_ | But otherwise the control ffmpeg project has is not good, I have read what the did to the libmpeg123 author. |
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| Chris_ | Forcing him to give up his codec and join ffmpeg. He don't wanted. |
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| TomTheDragon | what's that? |
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| TomTheDragon | how did they even achieve that with an open source project? |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: They can't it was more psychological. |
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| Chris_ | It's out in some mailinglists and for my taste that had a bad taste. |
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| TomTheDragon | unless it's the classic "hey we actually have enough pull to get our stuff into repositories, good luck". that's a bit.. shady. |
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| Chris_ | I don't know exactly the backgrounds to be honest. But ffmpeg devs are not having all a good attitude it seems. |
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| TomTheDragon | not sure the advantages of the libav vs ffmpeg in terms of code |
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| Chris_ | Libav is not anymore as I know, or I am wrong? |
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| Chris_ | Mplayer2 neither. |
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| Chris_ | But there is MPV. |
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| TomTheDragon | mplayer2 is considered defunct. libav doesn't seem to be dead |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon:
There was big news from Gentoo about that, claiming that ffmpeg will be
the default again, because it has won the "libav vs ffmpeg" fight for
sure. I never used it anyway, I just thought this topic is at the end
after this. |
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| pitriss | https://www.trinity-look.org/p/1169414/ maybe this is correct place:D |
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| TomTheDragon | yeah, we can never really tell what's dead or alive based on a distro announce, apparently |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Right. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, nice :-) |
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| TomTheDragon | have any of you ever seen this? worst mascot redesign? http://www.heatwo.com/temp/mascot_20130120_KDE_3_1200px.png |
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| pitriss | im uploading now KDM theme.. |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: WTF... |
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| pitriss | oh my what they did to Konqui? |
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| TomTheDragon | yeah, my sentiments exactly, pitriss |
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| pitriss | https://www.trinity-look.org/p/1169417/ |
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| pitriss | maybe someone will like this artwork.. disto is dead but artwork can live.:) |
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| TomTheDragon | if they had to change the mascot, they could have at least gone with this one... https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=254&t=109226&sid=95cb397cbd40700b10fe40a14eff7cb2 |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Nice description :-) |
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| pitriss | ty.. |
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| pitriss | i also have red version of crystal mouse cursors.. idk if its worth uploading |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: I am often looking at this page. |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Yes, not so.... I don't find the right word. |
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| pitriss | i did the work and recolored gray ones as red was missing and I wanted red ones for my second pc:) |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris_: not sure I understand. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Konqueror don't renders this page, I will take a look next time I fire up palemoon. |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: I meant you are right. |
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| TomTheDragon | ooh, someone else who uses pale moon |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris_ I see |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Yes, you too? :-) |
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| TomTheDragon | I just found it |
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| TomTheDragon | recently |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: pitriss also some time ago, but 27.x.x version is different it seems. I still use 26.5.0. |
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| TomTheDragon | supports enough Firefox extensions for me, and is lighter than SeaMonkey it seems |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: I like the idea, but more and more things are getting broken. |
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| TomTheDragon | extension-wise? |
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| pitriss | TomTheDragon: I used palemoon until they changed their rendering core.. Now switched to seamonkey.:) |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Yes, but also web-compatibility. |
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| TomTheDragon | I haven't really seen compat issues, to be honest. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: You mean goana? |
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| TomTheDragon | maybe some very annoying sites that obsess over UA strings |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Yes, I just had some problems, not not as important for myself, I still use palemoon. |
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| TomTheDragon | NetSurf still has too many render issues for me to use regularly |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Yes, exactly. |
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| pitriss | Im
not convinced that small team is able to build good core from
scratch..:) I found some. But that bulls**t about reporting bad
rendering in palemoon to webmasters is ridiculous.. nobody will tweak
their site just for few guys with palemoon..:) |
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| Chris_ | NetSurf? |
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| Chris_ | Goanna is a gecko fork as I know. |
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| TomTheDragon | NetSurf is a sort of minimal browser |
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| TomTheDragon | intended to have full rendering |
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| Chris_ | Interesting. The last time I heard that I used dilo. |
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| Chris_ | That's good. |
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| TomTheDragon | no, can't remember it ever using dillo as a core |
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| Chris_ | No, not palemoon. I meant a minimal browser. |
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| TomTheDragon | I meant NetSurf |
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| Chris_ | Yes,
I understood that, I just meant I haven't found something minimal some
time ago. Except dillo. And that had no CSS support. But dillo has most
likely some different target. |
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| Chris_ | Wow, since 2007. |
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| TomTheDragon | what since 2007? |
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| Chris_ | Initial release. |
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| Chris_ | I read now the project started much earlier. |
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| Chris_ | They might encounter the same problems as palemoon with rendering. It's sad how the web envolves. |
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| TomTheDragon | that's honestly the worst in terms of moving targets |
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| Chris_ | It's good to have choice, maybe in some years situation will change, I hope for. |
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| TomTheDragon | and the sad thing is it really didn't add much of anything. video? we already had that with Flash and Mplayer |
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| Chris_ | Exactly, I wrote about that here.... yesterday? |
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| * TomTheDragon didn't see it |
| Chris_ | pitriss
and me talked about that, you can use viewtube with greasemonkey and
mozplugger to view all streams and videos within smplayer. |
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| Chris_ | Get ride of HTML5 players and flash. |
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| TomTheDragon | yeah,
I'm playing with that now... I have a friend who just despises HTML5
video, or rather the fact that browser implementation usually sucks |
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| Chris_ | But I don't got it working in palemoon until now. |
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| pitriss | yes its not perfect but it kinda works.. |
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| TomTheDragon | not sure how to do the mozplugger and smplayer though |
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| Chris_ | TomTheDragon:
With viewtube you make some *.avi *.webm file from the streams and with
mozplugger you can open them with smplayer. |
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| TomTheDragon | as last time I used viewtube, it let me set a path to a media player directly. but smplayer failed to open the stream |
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| Chris_ | Or embeeded too. |
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| Chris_ | Hm. |
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| pitriss | https://www.trinity-look.org/p/1169419/ //maybe someone can find it useful:D |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Right, preserving the good old times :-) |
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| Chris_ | I am AFK now 20 minutes or so. |
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| pitriss | of course.. and returning something to community too:D |
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| AlexLikeRock | i open magen link |
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| AlexLikeRock | but, they open at opera |
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| AlexLikeRock | how to make to transsmision ? |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: That is something opera specific. |
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| AlexLikeRock | no |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: You need some kind of plugin as I know for this. |
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| AlexLikeRock | its by osb |
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| AlexLikeRock | os** |
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| Chris_ | Magnet link for torrent, right? |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes |
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| Chris_ | Transmission is not included in TDE, it's KTorrent. And Opera neither. Did it work before switching to TDE? |
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| AlexLikeRock | app1 send link to DESKTOP |
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| AlexLikeRock | desktop send to app2 |
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| AlexLikeRock | app1 -desktop-app2 |
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| AlexLikeRock | im sure |
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| AlexLikeRock | its by X-configure |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock:
Interesting, you are maybe right. I can't help you here it seems.
Sadly. Maybe someone other knows something about that. |
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| Chris_ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/143453/how-to-make-opera-open-magnet-links |
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| Chris_ | Maybe that helps you. |
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| AlexLikeRock | take a look |
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| AlexLikeRock | http://askubuntu.com/questions/108925/how-to-tell-chrome-what-to-do-with-a-magnet-link |
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| Chris_ | AlexLikeRock:
"Chrome (or Chromium) protocol handling works differently than in
Firefox. Firefox basically keeps track of all that itself, which is why
you can configure protocol handling (like magnet links) in the
Applications part of the Preferences. Chrome, however, relies on
xdg-open." -> So that is what I explains why I haven't had this
problems with firefox/palemoon. Seems you are right about that. Can't
you set that in Trinity- |
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| Chris_ | Controlcenter? |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes, firefox controol own link/apps |
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| AlexLikeRock | xdg-open |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes. im reading about .... |
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| AlexLikeRock | control center no have noting about |
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| AlexLikeRock | looks like manual job |
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| AlexLikeRock | XD |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | done |
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| AlexLikeRock | its this |
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| Chris_ | Oh, so? |
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| AlexLikeRock | xdg-mime default transmission-gtk.desktop x-scheme-handler/magnet |
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| Chris_ | Ah, yes, that was written in the link you posted, yes nice, but would be interesting if there is some frondend in TDE for that. |
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| AlexLikeRock | solution hir http://askubuntu.com/questions/108925/how-to-tell-chrome-what-to-do-with-a-magnet-link |
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| Chris_ | Maybe Konqueror can open magnet links this way too. |
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| AlexLikeRock | my app 1 its POPCORNTIME |
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| AlexLikeRock | my app2 its transmision |
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| AlexLikeRock | one click send from popcorntime to transmision |
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| AlexLikeRock | ;-) |
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| Chris_ | Interesting. |
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| pitriss | i
just learned seamonkey to open magnet links in transmission-server. It
was not hard at all.. simple script that takes password from tdewallet
and use it with transmission-remote -a (i hate passwords ahrdcoded in
scripts) |
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| pitriss | and then i just registered its mime to open with my script:D |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: This commit broke Kate when used over fish:// -- I can't load anything http://trinity-commits.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::9451 |
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| kb9vqf | Just comes up with that "The selected folder does not exists. Please select an existing one." error |
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| SlavekB | I see it now also reported as bug 2743. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2743
major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KIO/TDEIO not working in open/save
dialogs: The selected folder does not exists. Please select an existing
one. |
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| kb9vqf | OK, good. I didn't look into it, just finalyl got to be irritating enough for me to mention it here :D |
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| SlavekB | I will write information about this to Michele. |
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| FreeSlave | Hello there. Is there any article on how to properly run TDE in chroot? |
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| _Chris_ | FreeSlave:
Hello, I don't know. I don't think so, but maybe I am wrong about that.
I never tried to run some GUI in a chroot. Maybe that helps you a bit: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1564908 |
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| FreeSlave | _Chris_: yeah, I know how to start GUI from chroot, though I use Xephyr instead of Xnest |
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| FreeSlave | the
thing is I can run KDE5 from debian-testing chroot, but can't do the
same to run TDE from debian-jessie chroot until I manually mount /proc |
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| FreeSlave | in case of KDE5 I can use unshare --mount-proc |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I can't help you here I think, seems to be too specific. Maybe someone here will help you, please wait a bit :-) |
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| FreeSlave | actually it seems to work even without --mount-proc |
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| FreeSlave | running tde without unshare and with manual mounting of proc and sysfs looks ok though |
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| TomTheDragon | just have proc mounted by schroot or the like? |
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| FreeSlave | can it be automated by schroot? |
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| FreeSlave | I did not look at that yet, just using plain chroot |
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| FreeSlave | weird thing, I can't run xterm even when mounting /dev/pts |
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| FreeSlave | That's what TDE shows on start: |
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| FreeSlave | tdecore (TDEProcess): WARNING: KPty::open(): Can't open a pseudo teletype |
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| FreeSlave | And when I'm trying to start xterm: |
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| FreeSlave | xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory |
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| FreeSlave | Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys |
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| TomTheDragon | you don't have /dev/pts ? |
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| FreeSlave | I have. I mount it via mount -o bind /dev/pts ${CHROOT_PATH}dev/pts |
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| FreeSlave | and I can see files from chroot |
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| FreeSlave | Ok, I created schroot configuration and everything works now |
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| FreeSlave | Actually
the reason why I install it in chroot is that the last time I installed
trinity on main root it messed up with desktop-base package replacing
default desktop background |
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| AlexLikeRock | good arternoon GNUS |
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| AlexLikeRock | Chris|Laptop, |
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| AlexLikeRock | Grrrrr |
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| AlexLikeRock | Chris|Laptop = _Chris_ ? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but it seems that was too late now. |
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| AlexLikeRock | anyavanced user from trinity ? |
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| AlexLikeRock | i have question/suggest |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: Sorry for yesterday, I was AFK. Yes, Chris|Laptop is me too. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it would be better ask simply and I am sure sombody will reply after some time. |
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| AlexLikeRock | hi again :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Hi :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes, |
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| AlexLikeRock | to change Desktop , by default are CTRL+ TAB |
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| AlexLikeRock | and firefox/Iceweasel to change tab, are CTRL+TAB |
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| AlexLikeRock | this it a conflict |
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| AlexLikeRock | i used this shortcuts for firefox like 12 years or more |
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| AlexLikeRock | wy not use CTRL+ALT+F1 F2 F3 to change Desktop at trinity like KDE4 ? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
I see. I think it's possible to change in settings, but you mean change
the default? I don't know if it was alike in KDE3 too. You can file a
bug in bugtracker if you like for suggestion, or maybe SlavekB will
read. |
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| AlexLikeRock | i now its possible |
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| AlexLikeRock | at control panel |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes default |
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| AlexLikeRock | :-/ |
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| _Chris_ | I never used the shortcuts in firefox. Maybe someone will take a look at this. |
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| AlexLikeRock | i report BUG to mizilla 5 years. NEVER SOLUTION |
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| AlexLikeRock | i report BUG to DEBIAN 3 and 5 years . NEVER SOLUTION |
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| _Chris_ | Yes.... Mozilla, is special. |
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| AlexLikeRock | i hate report bug .... for noting ! |
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| _Chris_ | Oh okay. Debian will most likely say it's upstream. |
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| _Chris_ | CRTL+F1+F2 and so on works out the box too it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Just without preview. I am AFK at now. I am someone will reply too. |
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| _Chris_ | *sure |
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| SlavekB | Ctrl+Alt+Fx is used to switch to text console. Desktops in TDE can be switched by Ctrl+Fx. |
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| AlexLikeRock | Grrrr |
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| AlexLikeRock | i miss |
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| AlexLikeRock | your right |
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| AlexLikeRock | CTRL+Fx |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Do you know what happened to "Serghei", he was active in the trinity
project back in the time, but seems there is nothing recent from him. |
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| SlavekB | If I remember correctly, he decided to devote maintenance KDE 3.5 in SUSE. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I ask because I found his github account and it seemed that he is
maintaining some KDE 3.5 fork too, did you know that? Many commits could
be interesting it seems, there is also pulseaudio support for knotify
it seems. Question is if that is wanted or there is some reason against
it. |
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| _Chris_ | For example: https://github.com/serghei/kde3-kdelibs/commit/66b483400567d72968e09a1b1f8eeca68339c56f |
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| _Chris_ | Not that I like PA. I just found it randomly. |
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| SlavekB | I do not devote much attention to the direction of his development. |
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| SlavekB | For
example, commit for PulseAudio I noticed. However, I not liked that it
was not added as another option, but as a substitute arts. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, understandable, but maybe there is something the Trinity project
could adopt from. I just found it and thought to link this here can not
harm anything. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, that was my first impression too. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: But anywhere is this commits the commit message says that aRts option was never used internaly, if I remember right. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
But maybe this thing with the malloc implementation could be something
to test on newer systems, but I have not taken a look if TDE has also
similiar changes onboard. Okay, you know what you does, just wanted to
inform. |
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| _Chris_ | *do |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
he simply removed this malloc implementation completely. But the
options are interesting still. And I withdraw what I talked about aRts,
he removed it completely, right. |
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| q4ostest | hi |
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| a-865 | where in control center are icon sizes for the tray hiding? They are not anywhere I can find under "icons". |
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| a-865 | NVM, found under theme manager :-p |
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| AlexLikeRock | after 3 minutes, my screen change to blue and logo "trinity Desktop" |
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| AlexLikeRock | i see at screensaver , they are at 15 min |
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| AlexLikeRock | im back |
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| AlexLikeRock | any answer ? |
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| _Chris_ | Is
the webcam preview in kopete working for anyone? I am only getting blue
picture, can't select any video device. I fear that V4L compatibility
code from old kernels is needed for make it work, but it seems this was
removed some time ago, at least I can't find it anymore. I have build
with jingle-support and jabber-support. Anything I missed? |
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| gene_kod | Hi, I hae a little issue with the app menu in trinity |
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| gene_kod | specifically i have installed the calligra suite and none of the apps appear in the menu |
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| gene_kod | never mind they just appeared |
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| gene_kod | weird |
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| _Chris_ | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT.html |
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| _Chris_ | Seems V4L1-Compat is not anymore, so most likely Kopete uses V4L1-API. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems
V4L2 for Kopete is supported if TQT is build with opengl support, but
that is done. But nothing. I found some command: "tdecmshell opengl",
but this module is not found. What I am missing here? |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Is Webcam-Preview working for you in Kopete? |
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| gene_kod | greetings... |
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| _Chris_ | Amarok
sounds much better with mad decoder support in xine-lib instead of
using ffmpeg's mp3 decoder. At least it sounds "different". Just for
information, maybe someone find it interesting. |
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| davidb2111 | Hi! |
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| TomTheDragon | hmm.. perhaps the check for opening an http:// or https:// link should wait until the arguments for the associated program are parsed |
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| TomTheDragon | basically,
so "seamonkey %u" would just open seamonkey with the url, not show the
file download dialog. but I don't think that would actually work, since
it has no way of knowing the mime type unless it's downloaded first. |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | does anyone know, how regexp work in trinity desktop? (kwrite) |
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| SemiNus | I tried this: |
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| SemiNus | foo_(.+)_color |
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| SemiNus | with |
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| SemiNus | bar_($1)_hexcode |
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| SemiNus | but this writes ($1) as such, and does not replace it with the content of (.+) |
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| Space_Man | did you try using a backslash \1 ? |
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| SemiNus | Space_Man, not yet - I try it now |
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| SemiNus | Space_Man, bar_\1_hexcode did also write it as such |
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| SemiNus | same when puting it into braces () |
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| Space_Man | did you tick the check boxes "Regular expression" and "use placeholders" ? |
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| SemiNus | I ticked "Regular expression" |
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| SemiNus | use placeholders? I did not even see that one |
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| SemiNus | brb |
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| SemiNus | found it |
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| SemiNus | I try it again |
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| SemiNus | Space_Man, thank you that worked _perfectly_ |
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| SemiNus | I would also like to share a trick with the trinity desktop community |
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| SemiNus | found that one out yesterday and I love it - it's my life safer |
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| SemiNus | in the file: ~/.qt/qtrc |
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| Space_Man | what trick? |
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| SemiNus | there is a section [General] |
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| SemiNus | and when you add: |
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| SemiNus | cursorFlashTime=0 |
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| SemiNus | your cursor will stop flashing |
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| SemiNus | for example in kwrite, in the ALT+F2 dialogue, and all other windows that support it |
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| SemiNus | unfortunately not all programs support it, but most |
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| SemiNus | have a nice day, I am off |
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| SemiNus | thank you again Space_Man |
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| G_E_K | Hey... are the native wifi tools broken or am I an idiot? So far I have had to bypass them and set up wireless via CLI |
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| Chris_ | Is
that some bug or is it maybe something Gentoo specific? If I change the
video output driver to something other than "xv", let's say "opengl" or
"vdpau" for example in the kaffeine dialog for xine settings, it hangs
up. If I change it directly in the xine config file to let's say
"vdpau", and after that try to play some video with kaffeine, or enter
again the xine config dialog in kaffeine to look if this selection is
used, I get |
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| Chris_ | some message that I can't use this driver and I should set to auto |
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| Chris_ | But with this drivers "vdpau" or "opengl" I can properly play some files with the original xine-gui. |
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| Chris_ | Would be good if someone could test and give feedback here. |
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| Chris_ | By
the way, xine-lib is under development again and is more or less pretty
active. There are a lot of fixes and so on in the mercurial repo and in
some time there will be some new release. |
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| Chris_ | It also builds now with binutils-2.26 and up. |
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| AlexLikeRock | hi, |
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| G_E_K | greetings |
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| G_E_K | was wondering if anyone here could assist me with a multi-monitor setup issue. |
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| AlexLikeRock | when i press boton XF86Volume |
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| AlexLikeRock | not appear visual |
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| G_E_K | anybody got a moment to help me with a display prob? |
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| Chris_ | G_E_K:
I don't know if I can help you, because I am not using multi-monitor at
the moment. But you can write you problem here already and I think
someone will reply to it if someone has time or so. |
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| Chris_ | I
am actually trying to make the xine-lib aRts output plugin again to
work. Seems it was remoed with xine-lib 1.1 release, and since then
there were no changes to other output plugins too. So simply re-adding
it could work. So at least in theory kaffeine (and maybe amarok too?)
could output than to aRts again. That could help people wanting to
output audio from these applications to aRts (here was this person who
looked for video/ |
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| Chris_ | audio-players outputting to aRts because top panel. |
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| TomTheDragon | is there any way of making all of trinity stuff that outputs to aRts, just go straight through to ALSA? |
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| TomTheDragon | like an aarts equivalent to aoss and apulse? |
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| Chris_ | Hm, good question. |
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| Chris_ | You can build TDE withou aRts support. |
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| TomTheDragon | yeah, true, but can all the TDE stuff play audio without arts? |
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| Chris_ | I
think yes. I think at least kaffeine/amarok can use native alsa output
and knotify can be changed to use some command which output to normal
alsa too. There are some alsa flags in TDE if you compile it, but I
never tested it. But some wrapper like apulse would make sense. |
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| TomTheDragon | hmm |
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| TomTheDragon | I do have the knotify thing set up that way, to just use aplay |
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| G_E_K | Just
now saw your reply, chris. The problem: I can go into the Trinity
control center display settings and enable hotplugging of HDMI0 under
global settings, and then in resolution/layout I can choose extend my
trinity desktop onto this devcie and it will extend to the second
monitor. Trouble is it extends literally... It cuts my desktop in half
and puts half on each monitor, and I can't move apps between them at
all. I want a more typical |
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| G_E_K | setup
in which my laptop is the main desktop and the second monitor is
essentially a blank page I can dump apps on. I had this working briefly
on a pclinuxos trinityinstall but can't remember how I did it. the
current install is debian stable, |
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| Chris_ | G_E_K: That reminds me on the problem someone had some days (or a week) ago. |
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| Chris_ | As I know there was no solution, there was the suggestion from pitriss that xinerama is maybe the fault. |
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| Chris_ | G_E_K: Maybe you could try to use xrandr manually over konsole. |
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| G_E_K | chris, sorry i got accidentally logged out. what did you say the name of the app that might be causing the trouble is? |
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| Chris_ | It's no app, it's xinerama. |
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| Chris_ | Search for it on the web, wikipedia for example. It was some starting point from pitriss and it might lead to some problems. |
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| G_E_K | hmmm... might it have something to do with the display manager? I think my pclinuxos install might have been using gdm |
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| Chris_ | No, I don't think so. |
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| Chris_ | It's something X related. Or better xrandr/xinerama. |
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| Chris_ | Try to play with xrandr over command-line. |
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| G_E_K | can i safely disable or remove xinerama? |
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| Chris_ | I
am not very into this anymore, I am sorry, you will most likely not
have a xorg.conf file anymore, so all is autodetected. In your situation
I would really try to play with xrandr over command-line first. Maybe
it's some problem between TDE and xrandr. I am not sure. |
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| Chris_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multihead#Configuration_using_xrandr |
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| Chris_ | I know, you are not using arch. |
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| Chris_ | You can also read the manpage of xrandr for help. Simply try a bit. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe also in combination with randr settings from TDE. |
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| G_E_K | OK.
here's something interesting: I installed arandr. using that i was able
to get two identical screens. It still isn't what I want; both screens
always display the same thing which is of course useless but it's not
cut in half anymore and the fuzziness/tearing has gone away. So there's
some progress. |
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| Chris_ | Yes, right, I know arandr, but for some reason I don't wanted to suggest it to you, I don't know why. |
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| Chris_ | Play with it a bit. aranr is simply using xrandr too. |
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| G_E_K | yeah, it turns out aranr only offers control over a few parameters. i'm probably going to have to dive into it via cli |
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| Chris_ | Right. |
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| Chris_ | But it should work also with TDE, I don't know why it don't work. |
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| Chris_ | But if I have time I will try it too. |
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| Chris_ | But I will go to sleep now more or less. Good look. |
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| Chris_ | *luck |
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| gene_ | ok,
getting there. this ALMOST works. I have the secondary monitor set to
the right hand side, my panels stay where they are supposed to, and I
can drag apps between screens. All good there. BUT... the desktop
wallpaper instead of dulpicating itself stretches out so half is on one
screen and half on the other. I can live with that, except the Kooldock
now lives halfway between the two screens as well! Any idea what I can
do about that? |
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| G_E_K | ok...
I got it almost resolved. Two problems: first of all the kooldock sets
itself in betweent the two screens no matter how I set things up.
Secondly, if I start the computer with the HDMI cable plugged in I get a
torn up, messy, unusable display for some reason. I HAVE to plug it in
after the computer is booted and then run a manual xrandr command to get
an acceptable result, and even then the kooldock is messed up |
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| Chris_ | G_E_K: Hm, I don't know, maybe you can look if Kooldock has some manpage and command-line parameters for control this... |
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| G_E_K | yeah,
not that i can find. there is a gui configuration dialog in the
kooldock preferences for using it with xinerama, and i think that's the
prob... it's never been updated to work with xrandr for multimonitor |
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| G_E_K | if my coding skills were up to it i would try to fix it myself but i'm not very good i'm afraid... |
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| G_E_K | pity i could not stay with pclinuxos... multimonitor worked better on that platform |
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| Chris_ | https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/kooldock/tree/src/kooldock.cpp |
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| Chris_ | If you search for xinerama, there is something about desktop width... |
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| Chris_ | What is if you use this xinerama option? |
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| Chris_ | Ah, too sad that I don't have have some second monitor here already, otherwise that would be something to try. |
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| Chris_ | It is possible, that this xinerama option works still, because it has simply something to do with the width and height it seems. |
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| Chris_ | Back
to this time there was no xrandr, xinerama was used for this if I
recall correctly. But I really have to go to sleep at now. :-) |
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| Chris_ | And becasue of Wallpaper, take a look at the options, I am sure there has to be one, or set the wallpaper again. |
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| G_E_K | oh,
i fixed the wallpaper. the only issues left are the kooldock thing and
the fact that being hotplugged during boot messes up the display. i'll
keep pluggin away; sleep well... |
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| a-865 | tdecmshell (tdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kde-fonts'. :-( |
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| SlavekB | a-865: tdecmshell fonts |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: that's what I typed to produce the error message :-( |
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| a-865 | TCC finds fonts :-p |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: i just read backlog: http://askubuntu.com/questions/14780/how-can-i-disable-xinerama
//you can try this and maybe it will solve your hotplug issue..
xinerama may not be wanted feature as it stretches everything over all
screens.. eg maximiyed windows.. |
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| Chris_ | I found the reason why Kaffeine only works with XV output, see backlog. |
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| Chris_ | You have to compile kaffeine with --without-xcb. |
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| Chris_ | Now I can use VDPAU output with kaffeine. |
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| Chris_ | But
still can't set it in kaffeines xine config dialog, because it hangs
kaffeine up. But if you set it with xine config file and than use it, it
works now. |
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| Chris_ | You can read about that in the web. |
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| Chris_ | But the question is why this is needed and was drawbacks it has? |
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| Chris_ | Because while compiling kaffeine you get a message, that this is strongly discouraged. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe multithreading with ffmpeg decoder over xine works now with xine too, I will test. Before it crashed. |
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| Chris_ | No, that is still producing a crash if you set ffmpeg decoder threads to more than 1 in xine config. |
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| Chris_ | https://xcb.freedesktop.org/adoption/ Interesting parts about xine and kaffeine. |
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| Chris_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+bug/491795 |
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| Chris_ | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35713 |
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| Chris_ | So it is no easy to decide if this sould be used by default. :-( |
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| Chris_ | "Kaffeine
can use XCB library for xine video output, through the xcb USE flag,
which requires xcb USE flag to be enabled in media-libs/xine-lib too.
Upstream wants soon to make this a default non-switchable behaviour as
without XCB, Kaffeine's embedding through KPart will make GwenView,
Konqueror and other software crash at unload." |
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| Chris_ | from this source: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Video/Xine |
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| Chris_ | Maybe that's worth to report a bug. |
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| crzyp3ck | hello people\ |
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| crzyp3ck | I want to change my cursor theme. HOW could I do that? |
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| mirda | hey, trinity control center - peripherals - mouse - cursor theme |
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| crzyp3ck | mirda: you are a life saver. thanks. |
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| mirda | you are welcome |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Had you some success with Kooldock? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDesktop.org I came to this because of this bug: https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2127 and knowing that you uploaded your themes from DANIX GNU/Linux there. I just hope, that the page will survive. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2127: normal, P5, ---, albator78, NEW , New content from opendesktop.org is not loaded |
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| G_E_K | Chris:
yeah, I moved it to the left side of the screen. If I leave it on the
bottom then no matter what I do it splits itself between the two
monitors when I'm running two screens. I'm pretty sure this is an issue
with kooldock needing to be updated to work with xrandr. Unfortunately
my coding skills are pretty primitive or I'd dig into it myself. |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Did you try this xinerama option in kooldocks settings dialog? |
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| G_E_K | As
for the rest of it, i can get it working manually with an xrandr
command. I have yet to find any settings in which hotplugging works the
way it's supposed to. still working on it |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_: Yes I did. It doesn't change the behavior at all |
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| _Chris_ | But
nice that you have worked it up more or less. Yes, seems kooldock ist
not updated for that. If I have some opportunity I will test that setup
with two moitors too. With kooldock in addition. |
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| G_E_K | yeah...
i've kinda written off the kooldock thing as something that's beyond my
skill to do anything about for the moment. If I had the skills to
contribute code to a project trinity would probably be my first choice
but I'm quite a way off from that point. I'm more concerned right now
with the hotplug issue, and the fact that if I boot the computer with
the hdmi cable plugged in it basically murders the display. |
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| G_E_K | basically
i have to turn the hdmi display completely off, plug in the cable, and
then activate it manually with the console command |
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| _Chris_ | It "murders" your display right from the start or only after starting TDM? |
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| G_E_K | one
thing i'm going to do tomorrow is load up a pclinuxos live environment
and try from there. In pclinuxos i was able to make it work using the
gui and i want to look over the settings and see what is different |
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| G_E_K | after starting TDM. until then it does what you'd expect a second monitor to do during boot |
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| _Chris_ | If you change out TDM with some other DM, does it work? |
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| G_E_K | hmm why did i not think of that?? I will install kdm and let you know |
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| G_E_K | probably be tomorrow before i can get to it |
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| _Chris_ | Not KDM, better XDM or.... slim. |
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| G_E_K | why xdm in particular? |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise it will just pull in the whole KDE4/5 stack I think. |
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| _Chris_ | Because of deps. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | No, better slim than. It's up to you. |
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| G_E_K | ok, good call. I'll put on slim and try it. |
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| _Chris_ | XDM will call .xinitrc as I know, so if this is empty, it will most likely not work. |
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| _Chris_ | With "F1" or "F2" you can select your session you want to start if I recall right. |
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| _Chris_ | These days also lightDM is used I think, but I never tried it. |
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| G_E_K | well
it turns out i unexpectedly have some time so i'm going to try slim
here in the next little bit. if it doesn't work I'll try another. will
let you know |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_: tried slim, got the same behaviors. I'll try a couple others tomorrow and see if it makes any difference |
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| _Chris_ | No,
I just wanted to test this because I thought this is some deeper
problem. So nothing TDE related. It seems something changed in the
distribution you use now. Seems to be some frambuffer/xorg problem it
seems. |
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| _Chris_ | I am sure the problem will be not go away if you try further other DMs. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
some bad EDID data from this monitor? But if it worked with pclinuxos,
the EDID data should be okay, or they used other workarounds or
something like this. |
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| _Chris_ | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=171374 |
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| _Chris_ | You can get this informations with the command written in the link. For your HDMI output and and sent a paste link here. |
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| _Chris_ | What distribution are you using now you said? |
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| _Chris_ | And just for information what video driver you are using? Maybe nouveau? |
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| G_E_K | i'm using debian stable with the nonfree amd graphics driver |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, so fglrx. |
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| _Chris_ | What
card you use, maybe the nonfree drivers are buggy. I don't think they
support KMS either. While booting (text/splash) all is good? |
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| _Chris_ | But
maybe the radeon open source driver is a bit old under debian stable,
but I get very good results from it since two years or so. |
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| _Chris_ | Did you use the same driver under pclinuxos? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe the drivers were newer in pclinuxos. I am not very into this to be honest. |
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| _Chris_ | pclinuxos
uses some rolling releases it seems, so it is most likely, that the
drivers were newer. What not means, you can archive the same under
Debian stable, but maybe you need some workaround or to use some never
driver version. Just some starting points for you. I am going to sleep
now. |
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| _Chris_ | *can't |
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| G_E_K | i'm using the driver from backporst so it's probably the same one actually... but good idea. sleep well |
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| Chris_ | I
am trying to re-add aRts support to xine-lib at the moment, so that
amarok and kaffeine can output to aRts again. Question will be than if
xine-lib maintainers will re-add aRts support, otherwise the plugin
could be hosted and prebuild by the trinity project? |
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| SlavekB | Chris_: I believe that this is the reason why is xine_artsplugin in tdemultimedia - see http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdemultimedia/tree/xine_artsplugin |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, I know that. But this is something different. It is some plugin from aRts to decode something with xine. |
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| Chris_ | So the application has to use aRts engine. Like JUK. But Amarok and Kaffeine are doing this not. |
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| Chris_ | Back
in the days Amarok used the aRts engine, but support was removed, the
devs switched to xine directly it seems. Some weeks before here was some
user wanted to have some player which outputs to aRts. Therefore I
investigated. Theoretically with this output plugin for xine, you can
ouput sound also over any other app which uses xine engine. Or does TDE
project host that plugin in addition? |
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| Chris_ | But
it was removed with release of KDE4, because xine devs don't wanted to
support it, because KDE4 said they will switch to phonen. Back to this
time no one thought about TDE. :-( |
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| Chris_ | *phonon |
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| Chris_ | The API of xine changed not much, so it is very likely it simply will work again after re-adding. |
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| Chris_ | Only some organisation of the tree changed (makefiles and so on). It's just a try, but would be nice if it works. |
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| Chris_ | Nice, I made it working. |
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| Chris_ | I
had to made some changes to the plugin, some include files changed and I
hade to bum AO_OUT_ARTS_IFACE_VERSION to 9, otherwise xine and also
kaffeine/amarok could not see the plugin. |
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| Chris_ | artscontrol shows output. |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| Chris_ | But
no speaker arrangement works. But I don't think it was ever
implemented. I will try to contact petri and thorsten from xine-lib
project, maybe they can add the plugin again, but most distributions
will not build it anyway I think. :-( |
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| SlavekB | Chris_: Maybe it will be easier to include plugin into TDE repository. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
Right, that is what came to my mind. Actually kaffeine is not working
completely with the plugin. Seems that I messed up my xine config file. I
have to investigate. My XFI card has problems now with hardware mixing,
so I get some stuttering if two or more applications outputs to it
directly. So with outputting amarok over aRts, I don't habe that problem
actually. And the sound quality is not bad, really. |
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| Chris_ | That soundcard problem is something I had before, but now with aRts not. |
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| Chris_ | Hm, xine-ui player directly can ouput too to aRts, just kaffeine not. Interesting. |
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| Chris_ | Kaffeine
just don't work outputting to aRts if some MP3 (without any video
stream) plays. But maybe that is related to the fact that I re-build it
some time ago without xcb-support to get vdpau video driver to work. I
will rebuild that and will report. |
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| Chris_ | Okay,
xcb-support is not the fault. I just researched that kaffeine and only
kaffeine (not xine-ui) don't outputs sound to aRts if I play some mp3
with embeeded images. With xine-ui this works. And with kaffeine + alsa
plugin this works too. Maybe more some fault of xine-lib, I don't see
any picture with xine-ui too. But with smplayer. Hm. |
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| Chris_ | And this mp3 works well with amarok (outputting to aRts too). |
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| Chris_ | I am now building xine-lib with imagemagic support, for image decoders. |
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| Chris_ | Okay,
it was not the lacking image decoder. I still get no image displayed
with xine-lib compiled with imagemagic support. But I found out how to
produce it. Xine-UI uses not goom visual as default. So it works.
Kaffeine uses goom as default visual, which don't works for this
particular kind of mp3 files. If I change kaffeines visual to none or
some different visual, I get sound again. Strange, hm? |
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| Chris_ | Seems to be some problem of goom visual... |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_:
regarding that kooldock issue with multiscreens i was wrong... the
xinerama settings do work. But you have to reboot the comupter after
modifying the settngs to get the desired resut. My bad for notdoing that
to begin with. |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K:
Oh, that's wonderfull! I was not sure, but it seemed to do what you
wanted from quick look in the code. You meant you had to reboot your
machine, or restart Kooldock? |
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| G_E_K | reboot the machine |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, strange. That makes no sense for me. But nice if it works now. But HDMI is still messed up? |
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| G_E_K | simply logging out changed nothing, which is why i thought it was broken. |
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| G_E_K | yeah i still can't hotplug |
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| _Chris_ | Kooldock is now only at one screen, not stretched? |
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| G_E_K | correct. |
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| G_E_K | afte a reboot it works as expected |
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| _Chris_ | I think that HDMI problem is some deeper problem of xorg/kernel/whatever. |
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| G_E_K | i'm researching how to write a shell script that will make it do what i want |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe some information that it works with xrandr too could be helpfull. But that needs to be translated in all languages than... |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Is there any reason you still use propritary driver and not radeon? |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: What card you use by the way? |
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| pitriss | G_E_K:
how about trying to force disable these autoconf bs in xorg and do
oldschool proper xorg conf.. it can take hour or two, but you shouldnt
have troubles with autodetect.. But dont rely on me too much.. i just
dont like these since they almost broken my past CRT monitor |
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| pitriss | broke* |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Ah, yes, these CRTs without frequency limit, right? I had this problem
too, but with windows 3.11, there was a lot of smoke after that. |
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| pitriss | yep.. xorg set completely insane combination of frequencies.. |
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| pitriss | never more.. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| pitriss | thats happen everytime when OS is trying to be smarter than root.. |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K:
I ask because the radeon open source driver is working really got these
days. 3D is working, UVD (Hardware decoding), all I can think about.
But if you use some really new card. I mean I have read about that AMD
wont to deprecate fglrx anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: :-P |
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| pitriss | and
maybe G_E_Ks problem with hotplug lies in by default enabled xinerama
and disabling it afterwards when some apps count on it already.. IDK.. |
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| _Chris_ | *good |
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| G_E_K | Radeon
R4/R5. I have the nofree driver installed, and I got the newer one from
backports because the one that came with jessie was buggy |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yesm that's something that's possible, |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K:
Hm, I not very into these debian things anymore. Can you just install a
very recent kernel under your distrbution with radeon driver? That will
work most likely. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
thats why i proposed that simple entry in xorg conf what disables it
completely.. he apparently dont need that thing anyway |
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| _Chris_ | R5 seems to be 2014. I am using R600 here. |
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| _Chris_ | HD3850 AGP. The last AGP... |
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| G_E_K | pitriss:
I've actually considered going from debian to devuan so i can have teh
only init scripts back, so i don't mind creating an xorg.conf. wouldn't
be the first time although it has been awhile |
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| G_E_K | *old |
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| _Chris_ | Devuan seems to be a good choice. You can try EXE GNU/Linux too. |
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| _Chris_ | It's devuan with TDE. |
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| G_E_K | isnt exe just devuan with a TDE desktop? |
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| _Chris_ | But I would favorite with something more generic like devuan personaly. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, I just heard from it. Someone is using it here. |
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| G_E_K | i actually have the iso; downloaded it yesterday. haven't gotten around to loading it yet |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: i'm not sure if it helps anywaz.. i don't think systemd is involved there.. |
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| pitriss | its
ages when i had ATI card on workstation and since then i wouldnt touch
radeon card with 2 meter long broomstick.. :D it was terrible card with
need of even worse fglrx |
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| _Chris_ | So
I think the most simple solution will be try to burn EXE GNU/Linux and
boot the live DVD with this machine. If TDE works.... than it will work
too. |
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| G_E_K | yeah that is what i plan on doing. i downloaded the iso yesterday |
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| pitriss | i had a lot of trouble with dualhead there.. but fixed xorg.conf helped there.. |
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| pitriss | Tde works on devuan for sure.. tried in virtualbox.. Im happz with wheezy tho:) |
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| G_E_K | pitriss: what did you put in xorg.conf to make it work? |
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| pitriss | i posted link few days ago.. wait.. |
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| pitriss | http://askubuntu.com/questions/14780/how-can-i-disable-xinerama |
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| pitriss | then restart xorg or better whole machine |
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| G_E_K | thanks, i will give that a go |
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| _Chris_ | I
have my xorg.conf too. Every new machine I install, I re-use it and
comment out some parts, or change the driver. There is a lot of crap in
it. |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: yw.. gl with that.. |
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| _Chris_ | Some fallback mode if no xorg.conf is present makes sense, but nothing more. |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: but i guess it can be root cause of that mess after hotplugging.. |
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| G_E_K | it'll
have to happen later... using my machine for work right now and can't
risk borking anything. but i'll do it this afternoon and report back |
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| pitriss | If i understand you correctly, you run that script after hotplugging. so at first xinerama is applied there |
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| G_E_K | btw if use guys can use some help from someone who is learning C++ but is not very good yet then let me know what I can do. |
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| pitriss | im not familiar with whole problem but i brieflz noticed your tries:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: No, if he boots with HDMI plugged it, if X starts, the screen is messed up if I recall correctly. |
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| _Chris_ | But if he plug HDMI in after X is started, all works. |
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| _Chris_ | And
the other problem was with Kooldock, it had some xinerama option for
not stretching it about both screens. That works now. The option was for
xinerama but it does simply change the width. |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_:
close. if i boot with hdmi plugged in it acts as expected until the TDE
splash screen appears. at that point the display gets all fuzzy and
messed up, with identical displays on both monitors |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: yes.. but AFAIR G_E_K have some script to fix that mess applied _after_ |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: TDE splash screen you say? You said TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | *TDM |
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| _Chris_ | Because we tested some other DM (slim, xdm) and it was the same, right? |
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| pitriss | so
my guess is: something in TDE can act to set up things to fit xinerama
needs (maybe even not so actual piece of code) and mess things up:) |
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| G_E_K | yeah,
TDM. one the computer is running, if i turn on hotplugging using the
TDE gui tools and then plug in the HDMI cable i get anumber of different
behaviors depending on the exact settings, none of which is
what I want |
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| _Chris_ | That's some other problem G_E_K :-) |
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| pitriss | thats why i recommend to disable it completely to remove one thing that is not needed and can cause troubles |
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| G_E_K | and
yes i tested in slim. i installed a couple of other DMs to try but i
have to wait until i'm not doing work on my machine to test that stuff
out |
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| _Chris_ | That's
the fact that it seems xrandr implementation of TDE is not working like
you want to. So you need xrandr to set it over command-line. |
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| G_E_K | in order to get what i want i have to turn HDMI0 off in the GUI, and then enter the following command: |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: no rush.. I idle here nonstop (until my vps is running and bouncer dont crash) lol |
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| G_E_K | xrandr --output eDP --auto --primary --output HDMI-0 --auto --right-of eDP |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K:
Oh, so you not tested some other DM so far? If this DM works with HDMI
plugged in with starting, than it is really some TDE problem. |
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| G_E_K | that works. but i have to do it manually every time |
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| G_E_K | i've only tested it with slim, chris, and i got the same problem |
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| G_E_K | i also installed kdm and lightdm but have not tried them yet |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K:
Thanks for the command, I am sure, someone will be helped with it next
time. Because we had someone with the same problem here one or two times
last months. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: it will be not related to DM even it seems so.. DM purpose is to start TDE.. so.. DM starts TDE and TDE do mess :D |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Oh, okay. So if slim has the same problem, it is not a TDE fault. |
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| _Chris_ | FGLRX is not using KMS as I know, otherwise you could use some kernel argument to test some things. |
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| pitriss | question stays the same.. what in TDE causes that mess and maybe even.. Is it fault on TDE and not in Xorg? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Hm, I would say it's Xorg, because slim acts the same way. |
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| pitriss | I
think xinerama is just making things worse.. G_E_K you had really bad
luck.. I deleted backup of workstations configuration 2 months ago.. It
was on my HDD for 7 years |
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| G_E_K | that command does work chris, although you'd have to check your system for the proper device names |
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| G_E_K | they'll vary from machine to machine |
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| pitriss | and i was fighting with the same on KDE 3.5 back in the days there..:) |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Yes, that I know, but for this kind of config I meant. |
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| pitriss | i only remember i had definitely disabled xinerama as it was creating some mess.. |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: one more idea.. catalyst config (i cant recal how that utility was called) was able to generate basic dualhead xorg.conf |
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| pitriss | and it was good start for start with tweaking.. |
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| _Chris_ | I will install devuan on some machine too I think, to get some experience again with Debian/Devuan. |
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| pitriss | it was CLI app.. |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Because of your script.... If you execute this xrandr command above all works? |
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| _Chris_ | Because you can give TDM some command to execute I think. I mean I have seen this in some config files. |
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| _Chris_ | But better try EXE GNU/Linux first. |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_:
no script required; that just works. But I have to do it manualy ever
time. I haven't yet figured out how to enable hotpluggin and make it
persistent |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: autostart is easy.. put desktop file in ~/.trinity/Autostart |
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| _Chris_ | "/share/config/tdm/Xsetup" |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, but it has to work before the login. |
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| G_E_K | pitriss: thank you... i was trying to remember. it's been five or six years since i did any custom scripting |
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| _Chris_ | Because TDM is messed up already. |
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| G_E_K | chris is right... the problems start as soon as the splash screen comes up |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: it will sort out.. just do smaller steps.. this will be more complicated most likely. more issues involved together.. |
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| _Chris_ | Just put your command in this file and it should work. The path is relative to your TDE install path. |
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| pitriss | then maybe xorgs fault.. |
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| pitriss | investigate there.. do more verbose logging and investigate logs..;) |
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| pitriss | there can be something suspicious.. |
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| pitriss | maybe even try to install base of eg xfce or another DE if it happen there too..:) |
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| _Chris_ | So
normaly if you start your PC and TDM starts up, this script should be
executed with your command and your don't have it to type manually. |
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| pitriss | but my guess is xorg or some incompatibility between xorg and tde |
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| * _Chris_ is for Xorg. :-) |
| * pitriss too |
| pitriss | that thing is huge pile of s**t |
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| * _Chris_ smiles. |
| _Chris_ | pitriss: Better than wayland. |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly wayland is not better:/ |
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| _Chris_ | But TDE project can host Xorg too later, why not? :-D |
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| pitriss | yep. i think the same.. |
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| pitriss | lol |
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| _Chris_ | I am sure Xorg will be maintained a lof of time. All WMs are also using it. |
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| _Chris_ | The windowmaker reaction was.... "way.... what? I don't know that." |
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| pitriss | yeah..:) |
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| _Chris_ | And there is *BSD too. |
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| _Chris_ | Or does wayland work with it? |
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| pitriss | i dont think so.. im not convinced they would even want to adopt:) its not unix way..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Right, good so. |
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| pitriss | and its only good.. as this fanatic purism is way to go today IMO.. |
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| pitriss | when i see what Ubuntu and Red Hat wants to make from linux |
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| _Chris_ | Time will change, I am sure. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| pitriss | (yes that was pun on that to forced pushing wayland, systemd and so on |
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| _Chris_ | I made my jokes some years ago. In some years I will be super modern because I still have my own HDD. |
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| pitriss | as systemd in debian was accepted in not debian way.. without proper testing stages etc |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, I didn't know about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, AlexLikeRock. |
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| AlexLikeRock | hi o/ |
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| _Chris_ | Was you the one who wanted to output music over aRts with some top panel? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: it was decision and *boom* systemd was there.. |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes |
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| AlexLikeRock | its me |
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| AlexLikeRock | alsa or pulse to aRts |
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| AlexLikeRock | i hate systemD |
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| AlexLikeRock | that i change to DEVUAN |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock:
Nice! I made today the xine-lib aRts plugin working again. So I can
ouput to aRts over amarok and over Kaffeine and Xine-UI too :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | xine .... |
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| pitriss | AlexLikeRock: thats why i stuck with wheezy, lol |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: Amarok and Kaffeine is using xine-lib. |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes |
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| _Chris_ | But development is under work again. |
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| AlexLikeRock | installing |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: It is not into TDE actually, but will be in some time. |
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| _Chris_ | I hope so. |
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| _Chris_ | Or xine-lib people has to re-add it. |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: Do you like Devuan? TDE works good with it? |
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| AlexLikeRock | i have libxine2 |
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| AlexLikeRock | TDE i have now at my laptop with DEBIAN , |
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| AlexLikeRock | on my DESKTOP i have DEVUAN |
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| AlexLikeRock | i need time , to change my laptop to DEVUAN |
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| AlexLikeRock | because, this are ENCRIPTED |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock:
Yes, but in 2008 or so xine-lib removed aRts support. But the API
hasn't changed, so I re-added it. But it needs time until it is in TDE
or xine-lib. Or maybe if I have time, I could compile come generically
"xineplug_ao_out_arts.so" for you. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I understand AlexLikeRock. |
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| _Chris_ | *some |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: What arch are you using? |
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| AlexLikeRock | x86 |
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| AlexLikeRock | Linux DELL 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| _Chris_ | Okay. |
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| AlexLikeRock | 8.7 |
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| _Chris_ | Next time we see us ask me, than I will compile one for you without riced flags or so. |
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| AlexLikeRock | tankyou _Chris_ for a compilation make me happy :-) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | i
found "libarts1-xine-trinity"
its same like "xine-lib" ? |
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| AlexLikeRock | looks like... :-O |
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| _Chris_ | But you can already install xine. Latest version. You will simply need to copy over than. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes, try it. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, no. |
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| _Chris_ | That is something different. I is more for noatun and to get video thumbnails in konqueror. |
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| AlexLikeRock | LOL |
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| _Chris_ | It is a plugin for aRts to decode videos/sounds with. |
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| AlexLikeRock | "xine" :-D |
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| _Chris_ | But after installing it my sounds with knotify had problems, you need to change priority of aRts decoders than. You can try it. |
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| AlexLikeRock | xine it be used for hard job XDD |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it's a media playback framework. |
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| _Chris_ | And it uses some decoders, libmad and so on and ffmpeg which are also decoders. |
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| _Chris_ | But
you get video thumbnails in konqueror with it. Also with
mplayerthumbnails from trinity. But I stick to the xine-lib/aRts
backend. Because it was native to KDE3 times. |
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| _Chris_ | But
if you ouput sounds with xine/kaffeine/amarok to aRts it will just
output to the aRts soundserver it seems, and not decode it with aRts.
But it is exactly what you wanted for your top panel, right? |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Good. |
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| AlexLikeRock | cool you include audacious ? :D |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, it came to my mind that you also can test noatun for video I think. |
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| _Chris_ | Audacious? |
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| _Chris_ | I used it before I switched to TDE. |
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| AlexLikeRock | noatun , work fine |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it uses aRts to decode if I am right...? |
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| AlexLikeRock | audacious: |
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| _Chris_ | Audacious uses libmpeg123 as I know, not xine. So audacious would need some aRts plugin too. |
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| AlexLikeRock | ALSA |
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| _Chris_ | Oh haha. |
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| AlexLikeRock | pulse |
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| AlexLikeRock | oss4 |
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| AlexLikeRock | JACK out |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know what you mean. You can change the output in xine/kaffeine/amarok. |
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| AlexLikeRock | audacious |
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| AlexLikeRock | output |
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| AlexLikeRock | ho well |
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| AlexLikeRock | next time wen you complile |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
okay, yes, but not aRts. But that is an idea, I think there was some
plugin for it some years ago, maybe it can be build again too. |
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| AlexLikeRock | share me "plugin" too |
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| AlexLikeRock | tankyu |
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| AlexLikeRock | tanks |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock:
It's different. Audacious don't use xine, but I can try to investigate
that this works also again if I have some spare time. |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes |
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| _Chris_ | The sound quality over amarok with aRts is really not bad I have to say. There are some hardcoded latency times in it. |
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| AlexLikeRock | pulse audio its compatible with TDE ? |
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| AlexLikeRock | amarok dont have LIBRARY |
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| AlexLikeRock | :-( |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: I don't know. You can maybe change the command for knotify to something what uses PA. |
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| _Chris_ | But audacious don't support PA I think. |
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| _Chris_ | Amarok has library.... |
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| _Chris_ | Better one as audacious as I know. |
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| _Chris_ | Better use aRts or alsa directly, not PA. Just personal tip. |
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| _Chris_ | I think PA has some plugin to take all input from aRts. But that would be some never ending chain.... |
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| _Chris_ | xine-lib would also not have a PA plugin. But lennard personaly has done it for his PA. :-P |
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| AlexLikeRock | i like more library of QUOSLIBET |
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| AlexLikeRock | i can divide by |
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| AlexLikeRock | genere, artis, album, year |
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| _Chris_ | I know quodlibet from my Ubuntu days. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | Than JUK is better for you or? |
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| AlexLikeRock | juk , i
can not selec one ALBUM, and only
show this album |
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| _Chris_ | "For
some reason, the audacious-plugins package (v1.5.0-1) does not contain
support for the arts sound system. (i.e., missing arts output plugin,
audacious-arts-helper, etc.) However, when I build the package locally,
those files show up:" That seems to show that in 2008 there was some
aRts plugin for audacious. The question is how much the API changed. |
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| AlexLikeRock | yep |
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| AlexLikeRock | lets try :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I will try if I get motivation and time for. |
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| AlexLikeRock | jejejej |
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| _Chris_ | Don't do that. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | take some super powers http://bit.ly/2kWYVZK |
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| _Chris_ | Haha. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I am still searching for this audacious plugin. |
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| AlexLikeRock | more motivation http://bit.ly/2lyrvnK |
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| AlexLikeRock | hahhaha |
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| AlexLikeRock | i got it go |
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| AlexLikeRock | to buy vegetables |
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| AlexLikeRock | bye bye |
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| AlexLikeRock | :-) |
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| pitriss | hmm hmm alex should try mpd and some rich frontend.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, but it's important for him that he can use his top panel with aRts visual. |
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| _Chris_ | While my soundcard can't HW-Mix, I will use that too. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | It can, but.... these problem with stuttering. Maybe it's time to exchange it against some SB Live! |
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| pitriss | hehe.. btw mpd supports many outputs, so maybe it will be easier for you audiophiles to make some arts support for mpd? |
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| pitriss | or app.. as mpd can send music data to named pipe:) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
nice idea. I am not doing anything, I am just trying to get outdated
aRts plugins working again. So if MPD had some plugin in the past.... |
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| _Chris_ | But I don't know, MPD is not really old? |
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| pitriss | it hasnt but for visualiser should be fifo file enough |
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| pitriss | there is not needed some extra precision or im wrong? |
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| _Chris_ | He could pipe it to PA and PA to aRts if I am not wrong. Does MPD have PA plugin? |
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| pitriss | even TUI client ncmpcpp can do mpd visualisations:) |
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| pitriss | idk as I dont use PA.. and ist long time i compiled mpd as debian packaged have no SID support compiled in |
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| _Chris_ | He want to use this applet in TDE in Kicker, do you know that? I never tested it. I am just testing with artscontrol visual. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, me also not. I think some aRts plugin for him would be the best. So he can use his applet. |
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| _Chris_ | You know, I am not very into MPD. |
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| _Chris_ | Are they going to throw out samba again? |
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| pitriss | i
see.. i only thought about something what will take data from named
pipe (it will be plain wav or something like that) and send it to arts:) |
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| pitriss | so this will show up in arts visualiser.. rest can be handled by eg alsa |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, now I see what you mean. Okay, that would be also some solution... Creative one. |
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| pitriss | only silly idea.. |
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| _Chris_ | He
said he wants some application which uses aRts and he can test that
with his applet in his top panel. I don't know exactly if he wanted that
only because of this applet, but I asume so. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I found the source code of the arts plugin for audacious. 2007. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny. |
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| _Chris_ | Starts with... |
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| _Chris_ | * aRts ouput plugin for xmms |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, fair to say audacious based on xmms code more or less. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: please in what form arts accept audio? |
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| pitriss | is possible to send audio to arts from bash? |
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| pitriss | im asking to not re-invent wheel |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes as I know that's possible. I am not really into aRts. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You can do artsplay over command-line. |
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| pitriss | ill do some google then.. but: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ncmpcpp |
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| pitriss | its TUI client for mpd.. and see that part about configuration of that fifo.. |
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| pitriss | so i guess it sends normal wave into that pipe.. valid source of data |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I understand the idea. |
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| pitriss | artscat -b 16 -c 2 -r 44100 /tmp/mpd.fifo :P |
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| _Chris_ | I
read that archlinux article. I think this visual applet uses simply
aRts soundbuffer. Sourcecode will help to understand more or less maybe. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| pitriss | i disabled alsa output but i hear my music with this:D |
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| pitriss | and whats important i see it in visualiser LOL |
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| _Chris_ | Can you test with arscontrol if the visual works? |
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| _Chris_ | Right :-D |
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| pitriss | yep works.. it plays normally through arts |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. |
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| pitriss | now you need only to start my command with start of trinity:D |
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| _Chris_ | And MPD to configure to create that fifo. |
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| pitriss | no need to reinvent wheel.. artscat seems as keep up even with no data in pipe |
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| pitriss | i already have that as i used visualisation in ncmpcpp |
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| _Chris_ | Native aRts plugins making to work again does no harm in addition haha. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay. |
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| pitriss | you just dont need outputs.. maybe stream if you want to listen your music remotely:D |
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| _Chris_ | You can advertisa MPD now to Alex. |
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| pitriss | only fifo:) i have also fake null output to keep mpd running when other outputs are disabled..:) |
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| _Chris_ | That's
so creative like the script for opening streams with smplayer. Did you
get viewtube to work by the way or was that someone different again? |
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| pitriss | it kinda works for me.. with external smplayer.. i had no time/will to investigate it further:D |
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| pitriss | as this is what i wanted.. even it have some downsides like being unable to view yt videos on site..:) |
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| pitriss | but Alex will have some hard moments to select best mpd frontend for him there are plenty of them.. web ones, gtk, qt.. |
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| _Chris_ | Some TQT3 one would be interesting. :-) |
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| pitriss | yep.. |
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| _Chris_ | Audacious
1.5.1 had the last version of the aRts plugin. Now we are by audacious
3.8. Maybe not much changes are needed. Up for later. |
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| pitriss | http://bitcheese.net/QMPDClient/ this one is in qt and it looks simple.. maybe will be not so hard to rewrite that.. but im not C coder unfortunatelly |
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| _Chris_ | The most imporant: With screenshots. |
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| pitriss | https://www.musicpd.org/
//official site.. if you are interested.. there is great documentation
to their communacation protocol so you can write your own client:D |
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| _Chris_ | That could be exactly what Alex wants. |
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| _Chris_ | Some day I will dig into TQT3. Some fronend for GUVCview would be nice too. |
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| _Chris_ | *d |
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| pitriss | i love that client.. its easy to use and jsut do what it should do..:) lyrics thingy in it is broken as source is gone..:) |
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| G_E_K | question: are you guys specifically trying to avoid using pulse with this? |
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| _Chris_ | It's like quodlibet from layout. |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: No, I am not using pulse anyway :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know, it came simply up that topic. |
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| _Chris_ | I am using aRts actually because my card can't do HW-Mixing anymore it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | PA is not needed for TDE anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly I outputs all to alsa directly. |
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| _Chris_ | Alex
wanted to have some application which outputs to aRts to use his visual
in his top panel, therefore pitriss had some idea. So that came up I
think.... |
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| pitriss | G_E_K:
no.. Im not avoiding anything.. I simply not using things i dont like..
and PA is one of them:D I have HW mixing on soundcard so I'm fine:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: SB Live! right? |
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| pitriss | exactly.. |
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| pitriss | PCI one:) |
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| _Chris_ | I
will maybe upgrade to auzentech xfi. Has better DACs and you can
exchange them and much better components as creative. But creative XFI
chipset. |
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| _Chris_ | Me too. |
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| _Chris_ | I have the SB lIVE! 5.1 in my other machine. |
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| _Chris_ | The sound is different than XFI, in some way.... better? Different. |
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| pitriss | I dont need things like 5.1, 7.1 x.1 sound as for music is still best setup standard stereo:) |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly, I don't use that either. |
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| _Chris_ | But it's the name of that card. |
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| pitriss | Nothing better wasnt invented since stereo for music |
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| pitriss | was* |
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| _Chris_ | But there is some hardware bug, you can only hear 5.0 or something like that I have read. |
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| pitriss | damn sorry for double negative:D |
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| _Chris_ | Mono for ever. |
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| _Chris_ | Bitsounds. |
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| pitriss | hehe:) |
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| _Chris_ | Time to close all my windows. |
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| pitriss | I had no problem, i used my Live! as dual outputs without problem too.. but switched to use onboard s**t card for headphones:) |
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| G_E_K | i
was just wondering. I have pulse installed onthis laptop. i was
following your conversation and i installed amarok just to see how it
flew. it works fine with pulse |
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| _Chris_ | Why you switched pitriss? |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Yes, it works.... Because PA does magic. |
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| pitriss | im using mpd for ages.. its addictive, supporting creativity..:D you can script almost anything.. |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: It takes all output for alsa and pipes it to PA again or something like that :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Reminds me on conky. |
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| pitriss | i
found script that feeds my jabber account with PEP data so others can
see what I listen, i have mpdscribble to feed my libre.fm account with
data:) |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: But you use aRts or alsa anyway with TDE, not pulse, or? |
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| _Chris_ | You still have it on your machine from the DE before. |
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| pitriss | there is also possibility to do OSD for MPD:) I love it.. |
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| pitriss | i have website on localhost to switch on/off streams..:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Ah, nice. I think konversation has something like that too, or kopete, some plugin. |
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| pitriss | yep i guess kopete had something..:) |
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| pitriss | but it wasnt PEP based.. it changed your away message what can be annoying.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Never tested it. Just have seen it by the plugin name. |
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| pitriss | it was able to spam MUC (jabber conferences) quite a lot as every status change is written:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I am still trying to get kopete working with jabber. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Haha. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Does Kopete support MUCs? |
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| pitriss | yes.. it does but..:D |
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| _Chris_ | You don't use. |
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| _Chris_ | I just ask, because I have read about and some other pages said no. |
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| pitriss | I'm
oldschooler and nothing better than IRC style is not good enough for
me.. So I'm using bitlbee to get my conferences into Konversation:D |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, what is that? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, some transport? |
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| pitriss | recently i started local bitlbee for discord.. Bitlbee is IM to IRC gate.. |
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| pitriss | you can have twitter, jabber, MSN in irc..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know that but never tested it :-) |
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| pitriss | its just perfect for multi user chatting.. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, people from MSN will be happy.... :-D |
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| pitriss | usable also for normal chatting but you need to get used to its control:) |
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| _Chris_ | Sad for people from aMSN. |
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| pitriss | of course:D |
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| pitriss | so discord ones are:D |
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| pitriss | yep. |
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| _Chris_ | aMSN did work 10 years or so to make some client. But before final release or so MSN was closed done. Bad luck. Sad. |
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| pitriss | but jabber is also almost dead.. unfortunatelly google killed it by their f**ked implementation |
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| G_E_K | so pulse is doing nothing here? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Most people are using this social media and so on sadly. |
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| pitriss | some old MSN is still working:) but only selected versions.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: No, the network is closed down, execpt in china I think. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: yes but again.. my data should belong to me.. not to facebook or google..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Or china was closed last year too... |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Ecactly, I am thinking the same way. |
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| pitriss | ahh but it was working long time after their claimed its dead:) |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: I think pulse is doing nothing on your machine, most likely, yes. But you will have to test to be sure. |
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| pitriss | so people who wants to contact me should use jabber or email..:D |
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| G_E_K | k i will check |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Exactly, massive protests. |
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| _Chris_ | Or knock on your door. :-) |
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| pitriss | or cellphone if they are lucky enough and have my number:) |
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| G_E_K | i don't use amarok but i did back in the KDE 3.x days |
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| pitriss | i deleted my Google+ profile 4-5 years ago when they crippled their design to look like facebook with 2 columns.. |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Amarok uses alsa plugin by default. Or should. But theoretically you can check in settings which plugin is selected. |
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| pitriss | nothing less readeble wasnt invented yet.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I don't think good about google. |
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| pitriss | confusing, needed to jump somewhere with eyes to find next article.. |
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| pitriss | Its new big brother.. MS is out, hail for the Google:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Google did some bad things to Android. |
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| pitriss | not only to android..:) their famous stopping of services.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I just don't trust Google. |
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| pitriss | you rely on something.. BOOM.. service is not anymore suddenly |
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| _Chris_ | TDE needs a flat design, right pitriss? |
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| _Chris_ | :-D |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: of course.. i cant live without flat desing, monochrome icons which cant be recogniyed bz easily looking:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: We should consider to open a bugreport :-) |
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| pitriss | damn sorry for y/z swapping.. i have to switch between czech and english layout and im confused:D |
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| pitriss | some german ppl can understand my confusion LOL |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: No problem, my keyboard is also having some problems. Time to exchange that in near future too. Saitek Eclipse II. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it will be some keyboard with mechanical switches. |
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| pitriss | its not about keyboard but head..:D need to replace mz head:D |
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| pitriss | this one is getting old:D |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Just works (tm). |
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| pitriss | i have really old, cheap keyboard with multimedia keys for 10 years now:D |
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| _Chris_ | This one is also very old. 7 years or so. |
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| pitriss | i love it as i can use xmodmap to map all multimedia keys to F13-Fxx and use them in trinity as normal keys:D |
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| _Chris_ | The next model of this line was.... flat like already. Crap. |
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| _Chris_ | Me too! |
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| pitriss | some keyboards use something that cant be recognized by standard linux.. |
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| _Chris_ | F13? |
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| pitriss | aww i hate flat keyboards.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know that, but you can re-map that, or you HAVE to re-map that. |
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| pitriss | yep.. just something that is not widely used for shotcuts and looks like correct things |
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| _Chris_ | I have some mouse with tripple shot. And it works good in linux too. It just repeats three times a mouseclick. |
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| pitriss | i picked F13 and further:) |
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| _Chris_ | But luminated keys are nice. |
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| pitriss | im using Logitech Marble instead of mouse http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marble |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, some trackball? |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| pitriss | i love it..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Logitech makes konqueror sad. |
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| pitriss | I even disconected mouse from my computer.. not need that: |
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| pitriss | :) |
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| _Chris_ | I ever wanted to try that out, but never did. |
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| pitriss | I configured it in way that left small button acts as middle mouse and when its held, it switches ball into scroll wheel |
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| pitriss | for normal work its awesome, some games dont like that as they want use middle + moves as special functions:D |
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| _Chris_ | And that all works with TDE? |
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| pitriss | but that switched mode dont move cursor.. just scrolls:) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes but for games you can fire up your mouse. |
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| pitriss | I can live with that:) |
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| pitriss | i can.. :) |
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| pitriss | but only 2 games was sad about my setup at the moment.. so no problem:) |
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| pitriss | Only small downside.. tax for comfort..:) |
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| pitriss | my hand was hurt from mouse.. trackball helped.. since then I stick to them:) |
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| pitriss | as you dont need to move your hand..:) it lies comfy on trackball |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I think I will test this too. |
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| _Chris_ | For some games I have some old logitech wingman gamepad. |
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| pitriss | I have oldschool replica of PS2 pad without vibration there and G27 both from logitech:) |
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| pitriss | They know how to do hardware..:) |
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| _Chris_ | You mean logitech? |
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| _Chris_ | New logitech devices are not good anymore. They also changed their logo to flat. Since 5 years or so all looks and feels crappy. |
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| _Chris_ | In the past logitech was some good brand. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. aww. sad to hear.. |
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| pitriss | dads
computer have standard cheap wireless set from logitech but it seems
robust enough for daily use, spilling coffee into keyboard doesnt kill
it.. |
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| pitriss | G27 is almost indestructible:) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm okay, maybe that has changed again? |
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| pitriss | and G27s force feedback can rip out your hands after few hours playing:D |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I have logitech speakers on some PC too. |
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| _Chris_ | They are well made. |
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| pitriss | but i noticed some logitech keyboards with crippled layout of middle part where insert, delete and so on is.. |
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| pitriss | I cant stand this |
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| _Chris_ | Me not too. |
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| pitriss | ok need to go afk.. later:) |
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| _Chris_ | Me too, see you later. |
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| AlexLikeRock | how to set my volume (ALSA) to 150% |
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| AlexLikeRock | like Gnome3 |
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| pitriss | alsa doesnt support values higher than 100%.. |
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| pitriss | as far as I know |
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| AlexLikeRock | tanks pitriss |
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| pitriss | yw.. btw i did experiment with mpd player... and i succeed to let it play through arts even its not directly supported.. |
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| pitriss | why i mention that? because you wanted library.. so mpd plus http://bitcheese.net/QMPDClient/ with output to named pipe and artscat -b 16 -c 2 -r 44100 /tmp/mpd.fifo |
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| pitriss | and you have mpd playing trough arts, so visualiser is working too:D |
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| pitriss | i see, its creative solution, but can have its benefits..:) |
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| pitriss | AlexLikeRock: ^ |
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| pitriss | of course you can find even better frontend for mpd.. there are plenty of them.. or you can write your own in almost anything.. |
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| pitriss | going to sleep.. night:) |
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| AlexLikeRock | nigth |
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| AlexLikeRock | o/ |
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| _Chris_ | Does
anyone know if Konqueror in TDE supports sessions? So like PaleMoon, or
Firefox, that you can restore your open tabs if you saved them (or
automatic save / after crash). |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, I found some other bug in the aRts driver for xine. In Amarok
if you enable crossfading. That will crash Amarok/xine, because missing
threading support I think. In the driver there is a comment about that
there is needed a short sleep before closing aRts output if music stops.
But with crossfading, this music stop never happens. So xine will
crash. That's because driver is older than this feature I think. |
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| gene_ | _Chris_:
I don't think it has session saving in the same sense FF does, but I do
make extensive use of the profiles functionality in which you can save
any setup you want and access it via a panel applet. Are you thinking of
it's use in file manager mode or as a browser? |
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| _Chris_ | gene_: I am more thinking of it's use as a browser. |
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| _Chris_ | gene_: Ah, you are meaning the "viewprofiles"? |
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| _Chris_ | gene_: With "saving addresses" option? |
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| gene_ | Yeah,
the viewprofiles. but honestly i don't really use it as a browser and
haven't for a long time. Too many rendering problems. It' still the best
file manager on the planet tho. |
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| _Chris_ | gene_:
I am knowing about the rendering problems but for most quick
websearches and so on, it works wonderfully. With many tabs open, it
needs a lot less RAM than PaleMoon/Firefox. It's more some habit to let
open tabs about topics which are interesting and preserved for "later". I
know that the "bookmarks" are the right thing for that, but.... I don't
know. Many people handle it this way, it's interesting from
psychological |
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| _Chris_ | viewpoint. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | For
example, this "audacious aRts-plugin"-thing which I want to look for
next time, I still preserve in the tabs, so I still see it. |
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| _Chris_ | New viewmode: "Tabulator". |
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| _Chris_ | I
am seeing, not long anymore and I am going to get a top panel too, for
visual, for konqueror viewprofiles and other things. It comes to my mind
more and more. :-) |
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| gene_ | cool.
pity my coding skills are so primitive; it'd be fun to help with that
stuff. I do know that there's work being done to port the KDE Konqueror
to qtwebkitengine, which will probably fix most if not all of the
rendering problems. Trouble is they've broken their Konqueror in
virtually every other way... |
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| _Chris_ | gene_:
Yes but using webkit will be eat massive more RAM and so on. Some step
forward would be port some KDE4/KDE5 KHTML commits back to TDEHTML
engine. There are some commits which fix things, also some memory holes
and they are not fixed in TDEHTML. I pasted here some examples and I am
going to try to patch my local konqueror with some patches from that to
test it, at least some simple ones for the start. Maybe they can be |
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| _Chris_ | integrated into TDEHTML then, but first I have to test them. |
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| _Chris_ | In
Gentoo we have some nativ way to apply user patches, also git. So they
will be automaticly applied to the source you build and update normaly. |
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| _Chris_ | Just testing, why not. Maybe it will work, maybe not. At least simple fixes should be working. |
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| _Chris_ | I just have to create some account for the trinity bugtracker finaly. |
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| gene_ | I'll
be interested to see how that goes. Unfortunately like a lot of people
I'm pretty much married to Google because of my work and have to have
full functionality there. I've mostly been using Chrome the past few
years, but right now I'm testing the lastest Qupzilla with
qtwebkitengine and so far it's very solid |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Ah, you! |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Yes, that tabulator viewprofil works perfectly. |
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| _Chris_ | Some autosave option for that profiles when closing konqueror would be awesome. |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_: getting a working Konqueror file manager again was actually one of my primary motivations fro checking out Trinity |
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| G_E_K | The KDE Konqueror is basically broken now |
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| G_E_K | I had to switch to Dolphin a couple years back |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I heard it. Never really tried KDE4. |
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| G_E_K | I didn't switch over till 2012 or so. I ran Debian Lenny with KDE 3.5 for as long as I could |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Oh, I see. That was long with KDE4. |
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| G_E_K | there are some things in KDE4/5 that I really like, but there are a lot of problems too |
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| _Chris_ | What do you like? |
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| G_E_K | I
like the auto-resizing while moving windows, and I like the snap to
sides or top of screen feature. the window tabbing functionality comes
in handy at times. Dolphin, for all of it's limitations, has a few nice
modern features as well |
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| G_E_K | like showing external mounted devices in the side pane by default |
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| G_E_K | and showing how much space is left on them at the bottom of the pane if you have them open in a wndow |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, that could be implemented in TDE too if someone would start with. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it's already possible, I don't know. |
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| G_E_K | hehe i am spending a couple hours a day right now learning to code in C++. I'm hoping to be able to contribute eventually |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: That would be wonderfull, maybe there is some documentation about TQT3. |
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| G_E_K | if you find any then point me to it. I'm just now starting to mess around with GUI interfaces and toolkits |
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| _Chris_ | I will do :-) |
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| G_E_K | as i say, i'm not very good yet. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can start with fixing some things or so. |
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| G_E_K | If you cant think of anything a relative beginner could handle, then let's talk |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I don't know actually, just try to fix things or try some things out to get it to work if they bug you. |
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| G_E_K | i
actually have a half-assed kind of list of small stuff I'd like to see.
I'll download the source code and see how much damge I can do ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| Chris_ | Funny,
the xine_artsplugin holds some subfolder for the thumbnails created
with xine, but it seems not to need aRts. So maybe it could be
outsourced. It will most likely work without aRts too. |
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| Chris_ | Yes, I verified it. It video thumbnails are working without libarts_xine.so. |
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| TomTheDragon | it appears the kpf thing when you try to do the 'web sharing' doesn't work... |
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| TomTheDragon | seems like it's just the launcher, adding the applet to panel manually works |
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| AlexLikeRock | _Chris_, |
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| AlexLikeRock | you go inspired ? |
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| AlexLikeRock | or need a Firl ? |
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| AlexLikeRock | or need a Girl ? |
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| _Chris_ | For
audacious you mean? No, I found the source and made some research, but
nothing more so far, RL things had to be done and still are under work
actually. |
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| _Chris_ | And xine-plugin.... tomorrow :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | yeah |
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| AlexLikeRock | very goood |
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| AlexLikeRock | tanks |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: Pitriss made some research with what you can use MPD to output to aRts too. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: What xine-lib version you use by the way again? |
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| pitriss | yeah
for ppl who have stable music collection.. mpd should be good thing,
plenty of frontends give higher chance to find one you really like..:)
and possibility to get sound wherever you want is also nice thing.. |
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| pitriss | its is just a bit different approach to how to do music player..:) |
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| AlexLikeRock | This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.9. |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: No, that's the gui, instead of that you will most likely want to use kaffeine. I mean xine-lib, the engine :-) |
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| AlexLikeRock | libxine2 2.6-1+b2 |
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| AlexLikeRock | libxine2-bin 2.6-1+b2 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, okay. So 1.2.6. |
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| AlexLikeRock | kaffeine-trinity 14.0.4-0debian8.0.0+0 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but important is only the xine-lib, because that decodes. |
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| AlexLikeRock | ok |
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| _Chris_ | Kaffeine and Amarok are just fronends more or less. Like xine-ui too. |
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| _Chris_ | x86 you said, right? |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes |
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| AlexLikeRock | sh: 1: cat/debian_version: not found |
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| AlexLikeRock | sh: 1: cat/debian_version: not found |
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| AlexLikeRock | cat: debian_version: No such file or directory |
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| AlexLikeRock | 8.7 |
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| AlexLikeRock | this debian version :-D 8.7 |
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| pitriss | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes, i did |
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| G_E_K | hey guys, I'm looking to get the source code for some of the panel applets. is it all stored in one place, or scattered around? |
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| pitriss | lol I would love media control kicker applet with horizontal layout:D |
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| pitriss | if you want to play, try this LOL.. only joking but if you try I wouldnt be upset:D |
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| G_E_K | hehe i'm going to start small by trying to modify a few of them to my liking... |
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| G_E_K | i specifically have the weather applet and the clockin mind |
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| G_E_K | hmmm... i just put the applet you mentioned on my panel to check it out. what do you not like about the layout? |
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| G_E_K | I do notice that I can't use it for the music player that i actually use, so that's also something that could be fixed... |
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| pitriss | http://chytrex.wjake.com/crap/kicker-left.png //i mean this as it is not best layout for my wide kicker:D |
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| G_E_K | I
see the problem, yes. You are using a vertical panel there. It displays
horizontally on a horizontal panel. Maybe I ill play with that after I
do a couple other things. Maybe also mod it to work with Clementine |
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| pitriss | what player? I think mpris spec can be enough to support more players:) |
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| G_E_K | clementine |
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| G_E_K | it's a fork of Amarok 1.4 |
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| pitriss | thats fork of amarok, right? |
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| G_E_K | yes |
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| G_E_K | i started using it when amarok 2.x got really buggy |
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| G_E_K | it's got a couple of really nice features. tabbed playlists to name one |
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| pitriss | hehe tbh i never found usecase for tabbed playlists:) |
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| pitriss | in my mpd client i have stored playlists, i can use them as single.. put more than one into current playlist so..:) |
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| G_E_K | i'm
a live sound engineer. the tabbed playlists allow me to quickly switch
gears when i am playing canned music duing breaks or before/after the
show |
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| G_E_K | also i teach guitar and i have different lists set up in tabs for student |
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| G_E_K | *students |
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| G_E_K | for my work it is a super-handy feature |
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| pitriss | ok.. im just lets say audiophile..:D so our needs may differ a lot, yes:) |
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| G_E_K | and it's forked from amarok 1.4 which was my primary music player for a very long time so it was a natural transition |
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| G_E_K | but
in any event... could someone point me to the source for all this
stuff? I hope to contribute to this project, and as I am not yet a great
programmer I wanna start out with something small like panel applets |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: I think that is some place you want to look in: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/tree/kicker/applets |
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| _Chris_ | There
is all other source code of TDE too. It's really nice to browse the
source code this way, it's gives you some idea about of TDEs structure. |
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| G_E_K | perfect, thank you. |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdetoys/tree/kweather |
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| G_E_K | again, thanks |
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| _Chris_ | You
have to click to "tree" to browse the files. You can click to "index"
to get some overview. I don't know if you know already about git, so
maybe you know that already :-) |
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| G_E_K | i know how to use git, yes |
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| G_E_K | i'm gonna start by trying to add some features to the weather app. It might take me awhile... |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: That would be wonderfull, I am free to test it then. Good thing is: TDE will not run away from you. |
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| _Chris_ | So time will be no problem I think :-D |
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| pitriss | guys I figured out whatz would make me super happy..:D something like kommander but for kicker applets.. |
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| pitriss | so you can make some gui and script it to do your desired tasks:P As I will never be C/C++ coder.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I never tried kommander but I think you can do something like that with
superkaramba. You can define some buttons. But if you have some top
panel and such a applet, it would be much more handy, right. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
yep but on desktop its useless for me.. only time I see desktop is few
seconds after logging in before session manager kicks-in |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yeah, that was my second idea. Therefore the comment that it would be very handy with some applet. |
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| G_E_K | pitriss: I am the same way. I keep nothing on the desktop because i never see the desktop |
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| G_E_K | everything i need to access goes either on my top panel or in the kooldock |
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| _Chris_ | AlexLikeRock: Can you do some "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and paste it with paste link? |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: I have 3 kickers and 2 set to auto hide:) |
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| pitriss | on top one is kweather and kima and on left wide are shotcuts to apps:) |
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| _Chris_ | I
never maximize my windows, because of high resolution. So I see the
"borders" sufficent for superkaramba and some rows of icons :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: What do you display with kima exactly? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: temperatures, cpu core frequencies.. |
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| pitriss | fan speeds and uptime |
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| pitriss | I miss my core utilisation in %.. i was used to it on Lenny and KDE3.5 |
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| _Chris_ | Ah okay, was just interested in. I think kima will get it's place if I change to top panel. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Ah, yes. We talked about. Maybe it was some newer kima version than TDE imported? But I can't imagine. |
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| pitriss | ill try to look into sources maybe ill figure out what is needed |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I made just in the second, I can't find any reference to CPU
utilisation at quick look. Hm. Maybe it was some debian patch? |
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| _Chris_ | Just CPU frequency. |
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| pitriss | nope.. as i had selfcompiled kima on lenny |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Oh. |
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| G_E_K | ah yes, lenny. i held onto it long after most had upgraded to squeeze |
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| pitriss | so it must be older version of kima maybe idk.. |
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| _Chris_ | http://kima.sourceforge.net/#changelog |
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| _Chris_ | Look what the latest release has in changelog :-) |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: hehe i used lenny year ago.. even unsupported.. till my hdd broke:) then i upgraded to wheezy as last non systemd debian |
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| pitriss | yep _Chris_, trinitys kima is not latest:) |
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| _Chris_ | Kima 0.7.3.2 |
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| _Chris_ | Is the TDE version. |
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| pitriss | yep.. |
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| _Chris_ | So source was imported before the update maybe. Okay, it is not easy to track all the changes for so much projects, can happen. |
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| pitriss | of course, not blaming anybody.. there can be plenty reasons why older release was picked |
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| G_E_K | i
stopped using lenny... i wanna say it was 2012. i was getting tired of
homerolling kernels to run on the hardware i was using or i wouldn't
have switched. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe just some commits left. But maybe it is still SVN repo, or no. |
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| pitriss | but would be great if somebody upgrade/backport that cpu util display:) |
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| _Chris_ | That could be something for G_E_K :-D |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | That's real open source. Not what red hat is doing. This way all started. |
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| G_E_K | hehe one thing at a time guys ;-). i'm gonna start with this weather applet. |
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| _Chris_ | Haha, just a joke :-) |
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| G_E_K | what
i want to do is add the kind of one-click forecasting functionality a
lot of the modern widgets have. also a larger selection of providers |
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| _Chris_ | More providers are always a nice thing. |
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| pitriss | https://www.wunderground.com/ //i use this for my bot plugin:) they have free api |
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| pitriss | i
see their results are not accurate as others but works well for more
than year now.. unfortunatelly they have not fixed stations so they
provide result for nearest one with some math on it i guess:) |
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| pitriss | But for daily use seems to be enough acurate:) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
hi, do you think it will be hard to add cpu util support into kima? it
was already in latest, but in TDE is version bit older.. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I've looked at it and it could be feasible. |
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| SemiNus | hi all |
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| SemiNus | I wanted to say thank you!! |
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| SemiNus | whenever SlavekB comes back, please say my hello, and that I am thankful |
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| SemiNus | the JS highlighting problem got fixed |
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| SemiNus | in kwrite |
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| SemiNus | thank you =) |
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| _Chris_ | GStreamer aRts plugin could be also interesting. Seems there was one too back in the days. |
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| _Chris_ | Is
there any reason why confirmation messages like "Yes or no?" are
displayed at the bottom of the screen always while all other windows are
centered at the screen if you have set the window placement policy to
that? With other words, why are confirmation messages not following the
global window placement rules? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: i didnt experienced this behavior |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | pitriss:
If you have kmix open for example, window placement rule to center all
windows and then try to close KMix and it will show you some
confirmation dialog if you want to close it. This will be shown at the
bottom of the desktop and not centered. I can reproduce it on 3 machines
here. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | But
the "do you want to save before closing?" dialog in KWord for example
will be shown centered right. Maybe that affects only closing dialogs or
so. |
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| G_E_K | OK...
little help here if possible. I would like to contribute to this
project, and am just starting to learn QT. I've got a whole bunch of
good tutorials to help me work through qt5, but I'm lost and clueless as
to how to get started with TDEQT3. I picked up a book for cheap called
C++ GUI programming with QT3, but right off the bat there are some
incompatibilities (for one it advises me to set my environment path to a
location that does |
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| G_E_K | not exist on my machine). Can anyonehelp me out? |
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| G_E_K | can anyone offer assistance with setting up a sane environment for building tqt3 programs? |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: Im afraid there are only 3 ppl capable to answer your question:) |
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| G_E_K | and they are... |
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| G_E_K | ? |
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| pitriss | G_E_K:
kb9, slavek and michell (not sure if present here).. known usernames
not written completely on purpose to not higlight them:) |
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| G_E_K | OK. I will ask again every once in awhile. I'm trying to build some simple tqt3 programs and running into trouble. |
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| pitriss | G_E_K: try to highlight them.. I didnt did that just because I dont need their attention:) |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf: or SlavekB: i'm told you're the guys to talk to about creating a build environment for tqt3 programs? |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: You were told correctly :) |
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| G_E_K | groovy. I need to know where to point my PATH environment variable |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
forgot to highlight you. To repeat: I need to know how and where to set
my PATH variable. I have a book on QT3 that tells me to set it to a
location that deos not exist on my system |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: Where is your tqt3 moc utility installed? |
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| kb9vqf | some systems put it right in /usr/bin |
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| kb9vqf | if that's the case you don't need to do anything wtih $PATH |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
hmmm... ok. that's where it is. I have a book entitled c++ programming
with QT3. I'm trying out the helloWorld rpogram in the first chapter
when I try to run qmake hello.pro I get "error processing project file".
No other output; just that |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: You may be running the wrong qmake |
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| kb9vqf | do you have Qt4 / Qt5 installed on the same system? |
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| G_E_K | i do |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf: i do |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: Where did the TQt3 copy of qmake go? |
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| SlavekB | G_E_K: with TQt3 you should use tqmake. |
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| G_E_K | SlavekB: tqmake pulls the same error message |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf: tqmake is also in /usr/bin |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: tqmake should be correct. can you pastebin the project file for me |
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| kb9vqf | ? |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf: http://pastebin.com/T13z0yBP |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: and how are you calling tqmake? |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
I'm following the instructions in this book. the first step is "tqmake
-project" which works. The second is "tqmake hello.pro" which fails |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: Very odd; it works fine here. Are you sure you are calling it with the correct filename? |
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| kb9vqf | you could also try running it with the "-d" flag |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
ok, i just deleted everything except hello.cpp and startd over... this
time the tqmake worked. I have a makefile now. But running make fails;
gimme a second and i will post the output |
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| kb9vqf | sure |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf: http://pastebin.com/nZrMv5Z3 |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: Use tqapplication.h |
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| kb9vqf | actually, for htis, ntqapplication.h |
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| kb9vqf | ("N"ative "T"trinity qapplication.h) |
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| kb9vqf | every Qt header has an "nt" in front of it in the TDE version of Qt3 |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf: good to know. is there anyplace to get comprehensive documentationon this stuff? |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: The closest is the Wiki |
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| kb9vqf | unfortunately we never really had enough spare time to document anything |
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| kb9vqf | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Trinity_Desktop_Environment |
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| kb9vqf | please feel free to add your documentation if you have time :D |
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| kb9vqf | specifically in the developers category: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Developers |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
hell, i'm still trying to learn how to program in it so I can
contribute. documentation is probably a little beyond me ATM ;) |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: Even a page with notes on how to get the sample apps working would be welcome at this point :) |
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| kb9vqf | e.g. just write down what you had to do to get something compiled |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf: so do I need to add "nt" every time I see Qapplication or Qlabel in the program? |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: No, just add a T there |
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| kb9vqf | so QApplication --> TQApplication |
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| kb9vqf | QLabel --> TQLabel |
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| kb9vqf | etc. |
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| G_E_K | so "nt" in the headers; "T" everywhere else |
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| kb9vqf | this
stupidity is courtesy of Trolltech / Nokia not changing their API / ABI
when they drastically changed the toolkit functionality with Qt4 |
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| kb9vqf | yeay |
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| kb9vqf | *yeah |
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| kb9vqf | err. that is they changed the API/ABI but left enough the same so that you'd get collisions everywhere |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
SlavekB: hot DAMN that did it... it compiled and ran. thanks gentlemen.
I'll jump into it and maybe in a few months time I'll be in a position
to help out around here. I'm thrilled at the work you've done to bring
back KDE3.x (I somhow managed to be completely unaware you were doing it
until recently) but I have a list of stuff I see that could use some
help. instead of bothering you guys with suggestions I'm learning to
implement |
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| G_E_K | them myself |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: Thanks a BUNCH! We do need more manpower, badly :D |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
cool. I'm hoping to start small with some modifications to someof the
panel applets and go from there. I also might try my hand at fixing K3B
but maybe I should ask first... does the trinity K3B work for you guys?
I'm having to use the KDE one because the trinity one crashes every time
i hit "burn" |
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| kb9vqf | G_E_K: Last I used it it worked fine |
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| kb9vqf | did you upload a crash report? |
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| G_E_K | kb9vqf:
not yet... i wanted to see if anyone else was having the same prob
first. It's consistent; if I hit the burn button it WILL crash. I have
to run now but when I get back home i'll crash it and get a report for
you |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: Are you using wodim? |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K:
Some time ago I wrote here about the different cdrutils forkes. The
original cdrtools are working correctly for me with K3B trinity version. |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_: wodim is installed, yes |
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| _Chris_ | Debian based distributions are most likely using wodim (old and somewhat broken fork of cdrutils). |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_: so what should i do with it? |
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| _Chris_ | http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/linux-dist.html
There is something to read about. You can install either libburnia
(some drop-in-replacement for cdrtools) or install original cdrutils
from jörg schilling. Search on the web for it, I am not into Debian
much, but there is some.... "repo" or how it is called in debian from
which you can get the original cdrtools version. |
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| G_E_K | _Chris_:
all right, I'll look into it when I get more time. I'm not into debian
much either honestly but my software requirments for my work mean I need
the big Debian repos and the easy ability to install 3rd-party
binaries. Basically for me it's eitehr Debian or Arch |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K: No problem :-) |
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| _Chris_ | G_E_K:
You should try if you can burn something with wodim over command-line
with your burner. There are many problems with it. Most likely it's
simply the combination. If not, wodim users should be happy too if you
can fix it. |
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| _Chris_ | That K3B and cdrtools/wodim/libburnia thing could be also something worth to add to the wiki. :-) |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2743 filed by linux@rainbow-software.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2743
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2747 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Amarok and Kaffeine require missing "libxine.so.1" on CentOS 6 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2748 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2749 filed by gay@sfu.ca. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2749 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Signature errors trying to install TDE |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2750 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| G_E_K | that be one whole lotta fixin... |
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| pitriss | btw k3b worked last time for me.. actually it didnt ever crashed for me (debian wheezy 64bit) |
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| pitriss | Wodim 1.1.11 installed here |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2751 filed by mishy1973@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2751 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kmenu entries run out of the screen. |
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| crzyp3ck | hello |
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| G_E_K | wassup? |
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| crzyp3ck | G_E_K:
trying o install trinity on suse tumbleweed and getting dependencies
error on libmng.so.1 libical.so.1 libboost_python.so.1
libpoppler.so.60 libboost_python.so.1 |
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| G_E_K | crzyp3ck:
I've only ever installed it on Debian to be honest, using the
pre-rolled packages. Are you trying to install from source? |
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| crzyp3ck | hello |
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| crzyp3ck | I want to know, why ksirc won't highlight the lines when my nick addresses? |
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| Reni3 | hi |
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| Reni3 | can anyone please help by telling me what to do? |
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| Reni3 | https://dpaste.de/pgQ9/raw |
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| crzyp3ck | why ksirc won't highlight the lines when my nick addresses? |
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| crzyp3ck | I like ksirc but if it uses highlights it would b enice |
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| pitriss | crzyp3ck: idk.. I cant tell.. never used ksirc.. Im using konversation for ages. |
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| crzyp3ck | pitriss: ok. thanks. are you happy with converations? |
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| pitriss | crzyp3ck: yeah.. konversation is just more rich and fit my needs better:) just give it a try:) |
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| Kbuzz | is kopete maintained in Trinity? |
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| AlexLikeRock | good question |
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| AlexLikeRock | you have pidgin like alternative |
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| Kbuzz | last time I had trouble connecting it to jabber |
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| mirda | Kbuzz: kopete is maintained in Trinity |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is it possible to built amarok without magnatune, lastfm and
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: So, it seems that with automake really options are not available for this. |
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| SlavekB | A good tip to think about that during CMake conversion. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, I wanted to say that in some bugreport, I found some talk about
that this is not possible actually with cmake. So it is possible with
cmake but not with automake? |
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| SlavekB | Currently CMake conversion is not completed - for example, on Debian and Ubuntu is not used CMake. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: And by the way, do you know for what mesa is used in Amarok? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes we talked about that already, amarok does not work to build with
cmake actually, it is written in the wiki but does not work. |
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| SlavekB | maybe for some visualizations |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Ah, OpenGL is really not working here under Gentoo with TQT3. I don't
know what is the problem, if I activate something with opengl, it
doesn't work. But just under TDE. Yes I thought that too about visuals,
but projectM visual is working fine without it and is using opengl.
There was some KCM module for configuring opengl in QT3, is that still
existent? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
What is the problem with cmake porting in TDE? Are there any
blockers/problems or is it simply the fact that it is some
boring/monotonous task? |
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| _Chris_ | This
setting to set the preview size for thumbnails is making me crazy. You
can only set it to 0,2mb max. and without any modifications (default
config) on this setting, the preview size is unlimited, but after one
change to this setting, you can't set it back. For video files this
setting is ignored because of some setting "IgnoreMaximumSize=true" in
the videothumbnail.desktop file. But if I do paste this to the
imagethumbnail. |
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| _Chris_ | desktop file, it has no effect. Is that a bug or I am doing something totally wrong? |
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| _Chris_ | The ironie on this is: The bar to set the value for this is such large :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
found now the value of this setting in "~/.trinity/config/kdeglobals"
and deleted it. Now previews are working again, but just until 1mb. The
value in Konqueror settings shows still "0,00mb", max I can set there is
0,2mb, but the help text at this page says that the default value is
10,00mb... |
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| _Chris_ | I
manually set some higher value in this file and it works now. But
settings in konqueror are still showing me "0,00mb". So that seems to be
some kind of bug. Maybe it helps someone. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Thanks for updating the LO patches for TDE. Means that, LO 5.2.5 worked with these patches for you? |
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| SlavekB | I think, there is still valid bug 2448 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2448 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , LibreOffice 4.4.x or newer (jessie-backports) with TDE integration |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah, I missed that. So the result is still the same, but it builds with LO 5.2.5 anyway, correct? |
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| SlavekB | I not tested 5.2.5 now, because at the moment I do not have a test machine with Jessie. |
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| SlavekB | If you have a machine with Jessie, you can test the packages from my repository :) |
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| SlavekB | see http://mirror.xcer.cz/libreoffice-tde-sb/ |
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| _Chris_ | If
I come to it, I will test it here under Gentoo. The in this bug
atteched screenshot looks really like a graphic card problem. But yes,
you tested on some different machines, I know. Hm. |
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| SlavekB | I tested on a variety of graphics cards, including QEMU/KVM virtual machines. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, okay, sadly I don't have some Debian machine actually. Hm. I just can build with these patches anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | But that with the repo is nice to know SlavekB. |
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| SlavekB | Notice: Patches does not make changes in LibreOffice code (for LibreOffice > 4.3.x), only add options for building. |
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| _Chris_ | But basides this graphic problem in the menu, it works? |
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| _Chris_ | But the integration patches are maintained by the TDE project or not? |
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| SlavekB | The problem concerns to menus, buttons in dialog boxes, some widgets... |
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| _Chris_ | Only trinity related widgets and so on, or in general? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, we take care of this code within LibreOffice == patches are pushed into LibreOffice upstream. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, correction. I meant I will try to build some 5.2.5 LO with the integration patches. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, LO has accepted them upstream? |
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| SlavekB | When that the same LibreOffice starts with another integration - for example GTK2, problems are not occurs. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is currently is integration as part of the official LibreOffice code. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. Seems to look like a rendering problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice,
that means theoretically, I could simply add some ebuild use flags in
Gentoo and could build LO from Gentoo with the TDE integration patches. |
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| SlavekB | Perhaps something was changed in the LibreOffice code that requires a change in the Trinity integration code. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
does the patch change a lot in LO? I mean many files changed? Maybe
someone could follow the changes in the specific files and try to find
out what changes made it break. But that needs time sadly, I know. |
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| SlavekB | In short: --enable-tde --with-theme="crystal" |
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| _Chris_ | Nice, that I will do next time I rebuild LO. Next days. |
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| SlavekB | basically - it should be some patches between 4.3.x and 4.4.0 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Does the patch change a lof of files? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I am looking for myself in the LO git, maybe I can find it. :-) |
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| SlavekB | It is basically an adaptation of the original KDE3 code. |
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| SlavekB | This is a work from Tim. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the that was what I expected, that former :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, nice. It's wonderfull, that LO accepted it upstream. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commits/master/vcl/unx/kde |
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| _Chris_ | This for example SlavekB? |
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| _Chris_ | I seems that all specific files are in different dirs, not some "gui/tde" dir with all integration files, is that right? |
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| _Chris_ | At least there are recent commits to this file. |
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| SlavekB | ha, this looks interesting: https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/06283e7b |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | So it is worth some try these days, I will report the results. |
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| _Chris_ | So better to try 5.3.xxxx branch. |
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| SlavekB | I recently updated my old test laptop to Stretch, so now I can not test jessie-backports LibreOffice build... |
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| SlavekB | maybe it's time to prepare build also for Stretch ;) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | They also preserve GTK(1!) integration it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Back
in the days there was also some KDE3 integration for Firefox I recall,
but it was very, very difficult to take care. And these days Firefox is
it maybe not worth anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Are you sure it is --enable-tde and not --enable-kde? Because it is called "kde" in LO code. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, --enable-tde |
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| _Chris_ | Okay thanks. |
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| SlavekB | It is used in Debian/Ubuntu packaging :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I thought that some second after your answer, you have to know it :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh man, I just recompiled my old 5.2.x version of LO by accident last night. So another try with 5.3.x this time. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I am getting errors while compiling LO with TDE support. |
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| _Chris_ | /var/tmp/portage/app-office/libreoffice-5.3.9999/work/libreoffice-5.3.9999/workdir/CustomTarget/vcl/unx/kde/fpicker/kdefilepicker.moc.cxx:18:1:
Fehler: »QT_BEGIN_MOC_NAMESPACE« bezeichnet keinen Typ |
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| _Chris_ | QT_BEGIN_MOC_NAMESPACE |
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| _Chris_ | Some moc problem it seems. Any idea here SlavekB? |
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| _Chris_ | I
just build regular LO with --enable-tde like you suggested and defining
the icon theme. Path to TQTDIR was defined, TDEDIR too. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that moc-tqt was not symlinked to /usr/bin/moc. |
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| _Chris_ | But now it fails still. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: maybe it could have a similar relationship http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/thirdparty/tree/libreoffice/5.2.5/jessie-backports/debian.diff#n322 |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: You are right, in fact I came to this idea because of this :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But now it fails with something different, I will paste some log in some minutes. |
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| _Chris_ | There is no real error as I can see, just a bunch of warnings now. |
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| _Chris_ | /var/tmp/portage/app-office/libreoffice-5.3.9999/work/libreoffice-5.3.9999/vcl/unx/kde/fpicker/kdefilepicker.cxx:
In Konstruktor »KDEFileDialog::KDEFileDialog(const TQString&, const
TQString&, TQWidget*, const char*)«: |
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| _Chris_ | /var/tmp/portage/app-office/libreoffice-5.3.9999/work/libreoffice-5.3.9999/vcl/unx/kde/fpicker/kdefilepicker.cxx:162:43:
Warnung: Deklaration von »name« überdeckt ein Element von 'this'
[-Wshadow] |
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| _Chris_ | QWidget *parent, const char *name ) |
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| _Chris_ | For example. Any idea on this SlavekB? |
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| _Chris_ | I will now try LO stable tree. Maybe it's simply LO related. Because these warnings seem not to be critical. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, with LO 5.2.x I get the following output and it fails too: |
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| _Chris_ | Missing
generated source file
/var/tmp/portage/app-office/libreoffice-5.2.5.1/work/libreoffice-5.2.5.1/workdir/CustomTarget/vcl/unx/kde/fpicker/kdefilepicker.moc.cxx |
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| _Chris_ | make[1]:
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[/var/tmp/portage/app-office/libreoffice-5.2.5.1/work/libreoffice-5.2.5.1/solenv/gbuild/LinkTarget.mk:236:
/var/tmp/portage/app-office/libreoffice-5.2.5.1/work/libreoffice-5.2.5.1/workdir/GenCxxObject/CustomTarget/vcl/unx/kde/fpicker/kdefilepicker.moc.o]
Fehler 1 |
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| SlavekB | It seems that not performed generation by 'moc': "Missing generated source file....kdefilepicker.moc.cxx" |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/bin/moc -> /usr/bin/moc-tqt" |
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| _Chris_ | Before it pointed to qt-chooser... |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/bin/moc_old -> qtchooser" |
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| _Chris_ | TDEDIR is /usr/trinity/14 and TQTDIR is /usr/tqt3. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, in the ebuld there is: |
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| _Chris_ | if use kde; then |
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| _Chris_ | # bug 544108, bug 599076 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=544108 was not found. |
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| _Chris_ | export QMAKEQT4="$(qt4_get_bindir)/qmake" |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=599076 was not found. |
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| _Chris_ | export MOCQT4="$(qt4_get_bindir)/moc" |
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| _Chris_ | fi |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that need to be adapted to TQT3 then. |
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| SlavekB | That should be related to KDE4 integration. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, but TDE integration is not done in the ebuild. I just added --enable-tde manually to it to build. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
seems there is more needed to make it to work as I thought first. I
need to change the ebuild like it was made for KDE4 integration. |
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| _Chris_ | So up for later at first. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise it will simply use the wrong tools (qmake). So I have to integrate the ebuild into the overlay from fatzer it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Got it. |
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| _Chris_ | Sometimes you simply have a bad day. Solved, LO builds now. |
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| _Chris_ | It was simply the wrong moc file I linked to. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I got it. Sometimes you simply have a bad day. Solved, LO builds now. It was simply the wrong moc file I linked to. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Ah, thank you for the information. |
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| _Chris_ | Correct file was /usr/tqt3/bin/tqmoc. |
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| SlavekB | Good research! |
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| _Chris_ | You
were right about that the qmake exports were only for KDE4. LO don't
need qmake to build, so it was it was some bad idea to think about that
anyway. KDE4 LO integration needs it only. /usr/bin/moc-tqt was only
some bash script for tqt-replace. I just wondered why the moc file would
be out of the TQT3 dir. So I came to that conclusion. I will report
tomorrow my results, if the rendering is fixed with LO 5.3.x branch and
this |
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| _Chris_ | commit we talked about yesterday. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
LO 5.3.x branch with latest commits build, but the result is exactly
the same as yours. So no, sadly this commit seems not to have fixed
anything. Except from that, the TDE integration feels not bad. |
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| SlavekB | Thank you for verifying the status with the new version of LO. |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| a-865 | how
do I get klipper to put the crash ID somewhere useful? Is it in a file
somewhere I can copy from? I don't see that a bug got reported even
though I answered yes. |
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| a-865 | where did it get uploaded to? |
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| Borg^Queen | I don't follow the question |
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| a-865 | TDE crash handler ID |
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| Borg^Queen | ok start from the beginning. |
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| Borg^Queen | What's crashing |
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| a-865 | I looked at bugzilla after and don't see a new bug, so want to know where TDE put that long string besides in front of my face |
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| Borg^Queen | you have to save it. |
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| Borg^Queen | So you choose the location |
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| a-865 | already did the save. The message popup follows from it in the middle of the screen. |
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| a-865 | I only want to copy that ID, not the saved file. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok so it is likely saved in the root of your home dir |
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| Borg^Queen | click in the msg dia and highlight what you want |
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| Borg^Queen | it will save to klipper |
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| a-865 | Klipper has the ID, but I cannot figure out how to get Klipper to put it anywhere. |
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| a-865 | Klipper shows it, but clicking anywhere just makes Klipper go away. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah ok click on klipper, choose the item you want |
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| Borg^Queen | then right click on where you want it and choose paste |
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| a-865 | doesn't work anywhere I try |
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| a-865 | now it's disappeared from an errant click |
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| Borg^Queen | ? |
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| Borg^Queen | are you using a touch pad? |
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| a-865 | one more try got it into a Konsole tab |
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| a-865 | and now I finally copied that into the editor where I needed it to go |
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| Borg^Queen | oh wait, you're trying to paste it into the konsole? |
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| Borg^Queen | ah ok |
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| a-865 | I
wanted it in a MC session in Konsole tab and it simply would not go
there until I pasted with Klipper directly into Konsole, then copied
that with keyboard into MC |
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| Borg^Queen | ok shift insert for terminal pasting |
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| a-865 | That's how I've been doing it since KDE2 |
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| a-865 | just wouldn't work here now |
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| Borg^Queen | odd |
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| a-865 | not directly from Klipper |
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| a-865 | I'm tired. Maybe I was trying the wrong keyboard. |
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| a-865 | trying to use too many at once |
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| Borg^Queen | lol, aye, been there |
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| a-865 | I thought the crash handler was trying to file a bug report for me with the debug output, but I don't see any fresh bugs at http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/ |
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| Borg^Queen | it doesn't do that. Only reports them to the user |
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| a-865 | why does it ask me for an email address? |
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| Borg^Queen | that I've not seen |
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| a-865 | there's no email address in the crash report |
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| a-865 | asks for email address when "report crash -> add description" |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| a-865 | two input fields: 1 email; 2 description |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll see if I see something like that next time. |
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| Borg^Queen | can you post an screen cap of that? |
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| a-865 | http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/tdeCrasher.jpg |
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| Borg^Queen | the contact email, is your email. |
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| Borg^Queen | then just copy and paste into the field and send. |
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| a-865 | That's what I did. |
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| a-865 | Where did it get sent? |
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| a-865 | http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/ has no new bug reports |
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| Borg^Queen | to the developers |
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| Borg^Queen | as far as I know |
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| a-865 | no new mail on trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net |
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| Borg^Queen | this however is a gtk3-qt-engine bug |
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| Borg^Queen | remove the gtk3 qt thing |
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| Borg^Queen | you're trying to launch a gtk3 app yes? |
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| a-865 | I wouldn't consider it to be any such thing: http://silk.apana.org.au/fc2development.php |
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| a-865 | I did send email with that crash report to that dev |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm still |
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| a-865 | don't I need that gtk3-qt-engine for firefox and seamonkey ? |
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| Borg^Queen | no |
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| Borg^Queen | Before you remove it, see if you have qt-curve theme installed |
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| Borg^Queen | sometimes it needs that them |
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| Borg^Queen | e |
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| a-865 | it wasn't, but is now |
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| a-865 | gtk apps are picky about selected them, often refuse to show main menuitems unless hovered |
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| a-865 | gtk apps are picky about selected theme, often refuse to show main menuitems unless hovered |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| a-865 | without trinity-gtk3-tqt-engine installed, the GTK3 styles section in GTK styles and fonts is inaccessible |
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| a-865 | no way to tell GTK3 apps to use TDE fonts |
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| a-865 | no way to tell GTK3 apps to use TDE styles |
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| Borg^Queen | kcontrol |
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| a-865 | kontrol is open - GTK3 section has no available content |
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| a-865 | GTK3 is nothing but bad https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757142 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 757142: was not found. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Borg^Queen | I need to get going. Good luck. |
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| a-865 | Those of us who require mozilla products are stuck with GTK |
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| a-865 | thx Borg^Queen |
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| Borg^Queen | If I'm wrong about gtk3-qt you can reinstall it. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah true |
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| Borg^Queen | gn |
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| a-865 | removing it didn't help |
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| Borg^Queen | ugh, add qt-curve then check setting in kcontrol |
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| a-865 | crash instead in fcl-qt-engin |
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| Borg^Queen | have to go, early start |
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| a-865 | tdecmshell fonts -->> WARNING: Could not find module 'kde-fonts |
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| a-865 | how do I find out why it cannot be found? |
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| a-865 | and why does it want kde-fonts? |
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| __Chris | Anyone know, how I can add search paths for icons which are used for the menu in TDE? SlavekB? |
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| __Chris | pitriss: http://www.palemoon.org/survey2017/ |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
interesting.. but changes nothing.. as there were no questions like "Do
you prefer gecko over our core" , how often you experience difficulties
while browsing.. |
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| pitriss | so they completely DONT care about how their core works..:) (as I expected, because theres no manpower to do it properly) |
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| pitriss | only
shocking thing in that survey was ammount of ppl who have no problem to
open second browser when site is broken in my main browser.. As this
thing is absolute productivity killer for me.. |
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| pitriss | *in their main |
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| pitriss | i just expect from browser that it will render pages I need to look at, when I need to.. as its browsers main purpose |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I write you tomorrow, I am going to sleep right now. I just thought it
would be interesting to show you. Goanna is actually gecko as I know, I
doubt they are changing rendering much. The real problem is simply the
UA change I think. And it's interesting to see, that most people who use
PM are technical skilled. If you believe the results, PM devs are doing
all right, because their target group is expecting what they are |
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| _Chris_ | doing. At least in theory. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Something like this would be interesting for TDE too. :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: ok lets talk tomorrow.. but nope.. sites OK in seamonkey was broken in PM so they broken something:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: That's a valid argument too. See you. :-) |
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| pitriss | (extensions list is almost the same in my both browsers, adblock / ublock rules were imported..:) |
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| pitriss | so its most def failt of PM:) |
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| pitriss | night _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I am trying to compile Kontact, in specific it fails to compile the
kmail-plugin of kontact. From which place comes the header
globalsettings_base.h? Do you know that? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: is generated from kmail/globalsettings_base.kcfgc |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Hm, because tdepim/kmail/globalsettings.h can't find it and fails. |
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| Chris_ | Is the TDE-server having problems? |
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| SlavekB | Ha, it seems that it is again poisoned DNS cache! |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: $ host www.trinitydesktop.org www.trinitydesktop.org has address 209.99.40.223 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: This is not good. It's not the master server, running lookups to see what's happening... |
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| SlavekB | $ host www.trinitydesktop.org ns1.twisted4life.com. |
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| SlavekB | Using domain server: |
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| SlavekB | Name: ns1.twisted4life.com. |
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| SlavekB | Address: 202.157.182.142#53 |
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| SlavekB | Aliases: |
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| SlavekB | www.trinitydesktop.org has address 192.119.205.246 |
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| SlavekB | $ host www.trinitydesktop.org 8.8.8.8 |
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| SlavekB | Using domain server: |
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| SlavekB | Name: 8.8.8.8 |
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| SlavekB | Address: 8.8.8.8#53 |
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| SlavekB | Aliases: |
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| SlavekB | www.trinitydesktop.org has address 209.99.40.223 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: So it's google's cache that's messed up? |
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| SlavekB | $ host www.trinitydesktop.org 193.29.206.206 |
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| SlavekB | Using domain server: |
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| SlavekB | Name: 193.29.206.206 |
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| SlavekB | Address: 193.29.206.206#53 |
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| SlavekB | Aliases: |
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| SlavekB | www.trinitydesktop.org has address 192.119.205.246 |
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| SlavekB | yes, from Google's DNS is results poisoned |
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| * kb9vqf starts looking for ongoing larger attacks |
| Chris_ | There are several timeouts since some days too. I just thought it is known. |
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| kb9vqf | no, it was not known |
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| SlavekB | 193.29.206.206 is public DNS server from CZ-NIC and it is ok. |
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| kb9vqf | I have no idea how we merited the attention of an attacker |
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| Chris_ | Oh, okay, next time I will report it just in time. It's since a week or so. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe the KDE-people are angry because not using twin4 :-P |
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| Chris_ | *kwin |
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| kb9vqf | heh |
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| SlavekB | I first watched it yesterday - I saw it for about 15 minutes. |
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| kb9vqf | well
this is interesting in that it's affecting the Google cache but the
authoritative nameservers are returning correct addreses |
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| SlavekB | exactly |
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| SlavekB | $ host git.trinitydesktop.org |
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| SlavekB | git.trinitydesktop.org has address 209.99.40.223 |
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| SlavekB | apparently it applies not only to www. |
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| SlavekB | however, mirror.ppa and mirror.git are ok. |
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| Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/ not working too. |
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| SlavekB | $ host mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org |
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| SlavekB | mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org has address 37.205.10.16 |
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| Chris_ | It started with a long respond time and several timeouts maybe 4 days ago. |
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| SlavekB | $ host mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org 8.8.8.8 |
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| SlavekB | mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org has address 37.205.10.16 |
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| SlavekB | it seems to be ok. |
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| SlavekB | $ host www.trinitydesktop.org 8.8.8.8 |
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| SlavekB | www.trinitydesktop.org has address 192.119.205.246 |
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| SlavekB | ...corrent IP is back! |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I'm looking into mitigation for this issue |
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| kb9vqf | again, I apologize. I don't know why we're under attack and in this manner |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is strange and surprising. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I'm going to switch to a different secondary DNS tomorrow to see if that fixes things or not |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
I can reproduce this kicker-crashing bug. It has to do with the search
input field. It crashed only, if you strike that field and some
menuentry at the "same time". If you deactivate this searchbar, it is
not crashing. |
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| Chris_ | So in my case, to select something in office category brings it to the crash if I strike slightly the search input field. |
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| SlavekB | It's about bug 2573? |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: I don't know exactly, bugtracker is still down for me. |
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| SlavekB | tbuttu - please information about bug 2573 :) |
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| Chris_ | Oh, good idea! |
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| Chris_ | hm. |
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| SlavekB | hmm, but tbottu is silent :( |
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| Chris_ | I think it's a regression bug. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: I think we are all using old dns cache maybe :-) |
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| SlavekB | From
bug description: I get frequent crashes from Kicker during log out and
when right-clicking an item on the TMenu and selecting "Put into run
dialog". This did *not* occur on R14.0.2. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: No, I meant the bug said something about regression, but some people wrote than they had this with KDE 3.5.10 too. |
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| Chris_ | And
yes, it seems the right-click is the problem. I thought that before
too, but the problem is the searchfield. It just happened more often if I
wanted to right-click some menuentry. |
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| SlavekB | Later in bug description: |
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| SlavekB | I
did some testing and I managed to cause kicker crash not only on
R14.0.3~pre but also on R14.0.2 (stable) and also on 3.5.13.3~pre and
3.5.13.2 (stable)! |
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| SlavekB | This means that the bug is not specific to R14.0.3~pre, and also that it's not a new bug, but 'long-term'. |
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| Chris_ | Exactly, that is what I recalled myself. |
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| Chris_ | It
feels like the search input field takes some moment to get the focus,
but if you are faster to strike over it to the menu, it's crashing. |
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| Chris_ | Some kind of race condition maybe. |
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| Chris_ | You need to exactly to strike the edge. Between this field and the menuentry. |
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| __Chris | Very interesting and cute to read these days. I came to it by random: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/de.comp.os.linux.misc/SDbiV3Iat_s/zv_D_2ctS8sJ |
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| _Chris_ | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=240077 Bye bye Mate. GTK3 won :-( |
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| _Chris_ | There
is most likely floating around a patch to build kpdf against poppler. I
just came to it because I saw that the old KDE3 version of kpdf in
gentoo had --with-poppler. There is also a bug about that kpdf still
uses xpdf code > Bug 506 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=506 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Move kpdf from xpdf to libpoppler |
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| _Chris_ | And most other kpdf bugs could be fixed too with that :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I will do some research tomorrow if I come to it. |
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| jpw68060 | Anyone know what happened to the "CDE" window decorations? |
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| jpw68060 | in fact, the majority of the window decorations that appear on my Debian+TDE system don't appear on my Ubuntu+TDE system |
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| * Strangelv looks for CDI decorations on his but doesn't remember seeing any |
| Strangelv | "s/CDI/CDE/ |
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| Strangelv | CDE shows up on mine, but it's not all that recent an installation |
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| Strangelv | Acutally, it's not recent at all |
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| Strangelv | "Although it's been updated regularly |
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| pitriss | Strangelv: trinity R14.0.4, i have CDE win deco here.. build for debian wheezy.. so you may miss some package |
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| pitriss | and i found something in /opt/trinity/share/apps/twin/cde.desktop |
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| Strangelv | "I'm non the one missing it. I use Plastik |
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| Strangelv | "Combined with Keramik |
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| Strangelv | [15:15] <jpw68060> Anyone know what happened to the "CDE" window decorations? |
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| Strangelv | [15:17]
<jpw68060> in fact, the majority of the window decorations that
appear on my Debian+TDE system don't appear on my Ubuntu+TDE system |
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| pitriss | ahhh |
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| pitriss | sorry I got confused.. |
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| Richard41 | hi! |
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| Richard41 | can
I install trinity desktop on Rapbian? (raspbian = debian wheezy fork
for single board computers with ARM Architecture processors) |
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| Richard41 | so simplified my question is: |
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| Richard41 | can I install trinity desktop on Debian for ARM processors? |
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| SlavekB | Trinity can be installed on amd64, i386, armel, armhf, arm64, ppc64el,... mips, powerpc. |
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| Richard41 | Hi SlavekB, thank you for your answer! Does this mean "yes, it runs on a raspberry pi 3" ? |
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| Richard41 | (i am just at the store and would like to be sure before I buy it) |
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| Richard41 | life without trinity would be saddening ^.^ |
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| eddddddd | hi. How do one disable completely screensaver and/or power management, thats is blanking the screen in trinity DE ? |
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| eddddddd | Or at least what can I use in Debian to inhibit those ? Like Mate De has that applet,what Trinity DE has ? |
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| eddddddd | Thanks |
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| eddddddd | (i know,my english is wooden) |
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| eddddddd | I used 'caffeine' in the past,but debian doesnt bother itself with things like this inhibitor. |
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| SlavekB | eddddddd: If you use tdepowersave, you can try to se Presentation mode. |
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| eddddddd | SlavekB,
thanks, i dont use that,because Im on a desktop,not a lappy,and it is
my understanding that the cpufreq is handled by the kernel anyways since
kernel 3.4..or something like that..thanks for the input |
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| eddddddd | but I could try it ,ofc |
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| SlavekB | you can disable dpms in Xserver: xset -dpms |
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| eddddddd | Id
install tdepowersave, but I wanted to know, wouldnt it interfere with
the kernel cpufreq policies ? And make a mess out of my PC? To me, that
is like placing a thick blanket on top of another one, both doing the
same thing. |
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| pitriss | as SlavekB stated you can disable things directly in X server.. |
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| pitriss | eddddddd:
and when you dont use kpowersave then in kcontrol => periphetals
=> screen is some setting too.. if it doesnt work, try disable screen
saving in x.. as it can be caused by xserver itself |
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| eddddddd | ok,done did the xset . Time for testing. thanks pitriss |
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| eddddddd | I
was hoping for an easy always working solution, like Mate has with that
panel applet. SImple and painless, but hey. Other ways most likelly
work too |
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| pitriss | yw |
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| liquidq4 | hi.
I've downloaded krita appimage. Chmod'ed a+x ,as they suggest, place it
on the desktop (obviouslly using TDE), but it doesnt run when I click
on it. It says 'open with' ,and then list of apps . |
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| liquidq4 | ANy ideas ? |
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| _Chris_ | Krita with the appimages.... Sounds like something from MacOS. Try to run it from Konsole and look if it works. |
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| crazykiwi | Hello |
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| crazykiwi | Opensuse tumbleweed trinity 14.1.0 and tdenetworkmanager. I don't have wifi in the list. |
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| crazykiwi | No scan either |
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| crazykiwi | In the opensuse Leap I had that but my interfaces naming convention was eth0 wlan0 |
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| crazykiwi | here is enp9s0 and wlp12s0 |
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| crazykiwi | is that the problem? |
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| SlavekB | It seems same as bug 2748 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2748 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, ASSIGNED , Tdenetworkmanager shows no wireless networks on TDE14/Debian_Stretch |
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| crazykiwi | but the lan connect works and tdenetworkmanager shows enp9s0 |
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| crazykiwi | SlavekB: any solution? |
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| SlavekB | Please update notes in specified bug - as you can see, is not yet resolved ;) |
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| _Chris_ | crazykiwi:
Maybe you can add "net.ifnames=0" to the kernel command line in your
bootloader, it should deactivate interface renaming. So you get eth0,
wlan0 etc. if that is the cause. |
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| crazykiwi | Updated the bug |
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| crazykiwi | brb for net.ifnames=0 |
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| crazykiwi | hello back |
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| crazykiwi | ifnames didn't help |
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| crazykiwi | still the same problem. |
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| crazykiwi | Could anyone help? |
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| crazykiwi | is from the system or trinity-tdenetworkmanager? |
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| crazykiwi | would downgrade help? |
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| SlavekB | I
expected the device name does not matter. It seems that there is some
difference of NetworkManager behavior, which will require a change in
tdehw-lib. |
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| crazykiwi | SlavekB: would it be solved? |
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| SlavekB | someone must find the time to analyze the problem ... look into the code, find out the difference of behavior, prepare a patch. |
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| crazykiwi | SlavekB: way above my pay grade (i.e knowledge) |
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| crazykiwi | SlavekB: in the mid time how could I connect to my Wifi network? |
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| SlavekB | You can use one trick: open a saved connection, select the desired connection, and then click Edit. |
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| SlavekB | In the wizard for setting up connections can then click on the Save and connect. |
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| crazykiwi | SlavekB: which saved connection? |
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| crazykiwi | I am confused now? |
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| SlavekB | In context menu on tdenetworkmanager tray icon. |
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| crazykiwi | SlavekB: wht should i do if I want to run a command at the start up? |
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| __Chris | Sad
new world.... Some time ago I had some talk here with someone who
claimed that the UI-flat-design and simplificy trend is to show simpler
and better advertisements to people. It seems that is true, microsoft
want to show advertisements within filemanager and other desktop places
in near future. They have started some beta testing. Interesting. |
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| __Chris | And
no, there is no way to disable it. Also interesting, you don't buy the
software anymore (windows), you are using a "service". |
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| __Chris | http://www.pro-linux.de/sicherheit/2/38097/zwei-probleme-in-k-desktop-enviroment.html I know, it's in German. Just for information. |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
awww.. but you cant expect any good from microsoft.. they cant find
suitable bussiness model, they need to rip you off via different channel |
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| Chris|vaio | pitriss:
Right. I just found it interesting, that this was in talk just some
months ago and now it is reality. Maybe we will get those features with
KDE5, who knows. This is already reality in the Android world. But
people don't complain. The rest of them using adblocker. |
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| Chris|vaio | Just
installed TDE on some old P3 1Ghz machine. It runs smooth. Using a sis
630 graphics onboard chip. Sadly mesa kicked out the DRI driver, we
talked about this some tims ago. Maybe I can get it to work with 3D too.
But nice for some office PC. |
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| crazykiwi | hello |
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| crazykiwi | I want to start an application at start up. how? |
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| Chris|vaio | crazykiwi: I think you can use ~/.trinity/Autostart/ and put your *.desktop files in that place. |
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| Chris|vaio | Or
if the apps are supporting sessions and have some systemtray icon, you
can simply let them running and they will be started after login again. |
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| crazykiwi | Chris|vaio: what would be the format of those .dektop files? |
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| Chris|vaio | If I am right, it should be simply the same files you have in the startmenu and on the desktop. Just see ~/Desktop. |
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| pitriss | https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/apa.html //first hit on google |
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| pitriss | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/desktop_entries |
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| Chris|vaio | Right, but if it is some TDE application, you can simply use -> $trinity_path/share/applications/tde/ |
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| Chris|vaio | Or simply /usr/share/applications/ if it is not a TDE application. |
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| pitriss | Chris|vaio: if he doesn't require pass nondefault parameters to such app |
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| Chris|vaio | But if the application don't comes with some *.desktop file, you have to create it with template pitriss linked :-) |
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| Chris|vaio | Right. |
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| Chris|vaio | And if all fails, I think ~/.xinitrc could work too. |
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| Chris|vaio | By
the way, trinity also use /etc/xdg/autostart or something like this. I
just noticed that some time ago, because HPLIP installs some *.desktop
file in this place, so it started every time and I had no clue from
which place the autostart entry came. |
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| pitriss | [Desktop Entry] |
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| pitriss | Comment=Things need to be run after start of TDE |
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| pitriss | Exec=tde-after-start.sh |
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| pitriss | Name=Trinity after start |
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| pitriss | Type=Application |
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| pitriss | StartupNotify=false |
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| pitriss | i use this for configuring system after start.. |
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| pitriss | in that script are lines like remap keys, reread hotkeys in trinity and few more lines:D |
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| Chris|vaio | pitriss: Nice :-) |
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| crazykiwi | pitriss: So you suggest that I can do more that one job just by one .desktop file |
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| crazykiwi | Nice |
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| crazykiwi | I hope someone would fix the tdenetworkmanager |
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| crazykiwi | then all of this hassle would be over.\ |
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| pitriss | idk.. i dont use networkmanager.. i used to have wicd on laptop |
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| pitriss | and i dont suggest anything.. i just posted how I solved config of TDE.. in for me easy way |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly bugs in yakuake have no scriptable workaround:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: What bugs you mean? I am using Yakuake on some machines, without problems so far :) |
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| pitriss | broken DCOP and broken background rendering.. both reported:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Oh, I don't tested DCOP functions until now, and had not changed
background. Are you using OpenGL backend for rendering in TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Real Composite or Pseudo? |
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| pitriss | doesnt matter.. when you set bg image, start new tab.. its dissorted till you reread schema.. |
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| pitriss | and you just cant reread schema by DCOP as its broken..:) |
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| pitriss | background behave the same with and without compositor |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, I wasn't aware about that. |
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| pitriss | i tried to do some dirty hack using dcop but wasnt able to get any suitable return values for such things |
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| pitriss | Bug #2479 and #2537 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2479 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , yaukake can't initialize scheme background image properly |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Thanks. Were these bugs also present in KDE3? |
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| pitriss | not sure.. using semitransparent image as background is my "new" idea.. didnt did it on KDE3.5 |
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| crazykiwi | # kvirc |
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| crazykiwi | FAILURE (TDECmdLineArgs): |
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| crazykiwi | Application has not called TDECmdLineArgs::init(...). |
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| crazykiwi | # kvirc |
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| crazykiwi | what is wrong? |
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| crazykiwi | I instlled trinity-kvir |
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| crazykiwi | I instlled trinity-kvirc |
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| _Chris_ | crazykiwi: And it just don't start? |
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| crazykiwi | yes _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | crazykiwi: No real solution, but I am using konversation from TDE here for IRC and it works perfectly :) |
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| _Chris_ | crazykiwi:
There is also no bug reported about it. What distribution are you
using? That might help someone who is interested in this. |
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| pitriss | idk.. but i use konversation for irc and twitter and discord and jabber mucs for ages |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: You use konversation for.... twitter? |
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| pitriss | and
i really love twitter in konversation.. its via bitlbee and its best
twitter client.. rest twitter clients are more like crippled webbrowsers |
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| pitriss | and i dont want to have webbrowser in disguise for every single webservice i use:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Wow, I was not knowing about bitlbee. Nice, sounds like jabber-transports. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: if you want something more convenient.. spectrum2 can be used for twitter in jabber..:D |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: something like that.. bitlbee.org |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I still have to get Jabber to work in Kopete. |
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| pitriss | btw jabber conferences, steam, discord, twitter.. all in konversation..:D |
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| pitriss | hmm idk as I use vacuum-im as jabber client.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: So you can chat in jabber with konversation? |
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| pitriss | i used kopete back in the days.. but jabber developed a lot and kopete got stuck in the past unfortunatelly.. |
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| crazykiwi | I love kopete. but its recent version on kde5 plasma doesn't have IRC anymore |
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| crazykiwi | So go trinity |
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| pitriss | so i switched to qutiom 0.2 and whjen they killed quitim 0.2 (0.3 is just completely different sw) i switched to vacuum |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Okay, that sounds very interesting and I will try it if I come to it. |
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| pitriss | *qutim |
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| pitriss | i just cant live without PEP in jabber:) |
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| _Chris_ | crazykiwi: You can use trinity-kopete, that still supports IRC too :) |
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| pitriss | moods, actions, what I'm listening in least abusive way.. |
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| pitriss | this thing is missing in kopete unfortunately.. for me show stopper:) |
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| _Chris_ | Good that TDE is about choice, same like Linux. |
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| pitriss | irc in kopete is uhm.. i prefer full featured irc client and its comfort.. |
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| pitriss | like
user scripts, highlighting and its simply readable.. no graphics
emoticons are breaking formating, makin line heights different..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Interestingly IRC is still used in times of Jabber. I think many people
who needs help, for TDE in example, are happy about that. Some people
don't use Jabber and would not create some account, just for help and
so. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, me too. |
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| pitriss | IRC is proven way how to reach IT skilled ppl.. (and when you end in bad channel also way how to get hacked easily:D) |
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| _Chris_ | You don't mean the KDE channel, right? :P |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: if you are going to try bitlbee locally this can be handy for you: https://github.com/sm00th/bitlbee-discord and https://github.com/bitlbee/bitlbee-steam |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, let me take a look. |
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| pitriss | both are way better than webuis of these services:D |
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| pitriss | i use discord daily and its work nicely.. even when they just parsing webui.. and steam is working for chat too..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I don't know discord to be honest. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: But really interesting what is all support. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
and no KDE/TDE channels should be safe.. I just have few friends from
IRC who can do pentest to your machine without you even noticing that:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Was just a joke, I know what you mean :P |
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| pitriss | many services use it as communication channel recently.. |
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| pitriss | closed source variant of multiuser text and voice chats |
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| pitriss | i see. i just didnt wanted to scare random ppl..:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, you are right. |
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| _Chris_ | I will go to sleep now. Good night. |
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| crazykiwi | _Chris_: Good Night :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
The libreoffice problem with TDE integration might be the rendering
backend. I just changed palemoon (also using cairo) to use OpenGL for
rendering the GUI and I am seeing this "artifacts" and graphic
corruption in some parts too. But if I use software rendering for it in
palemoon again, it works. Needs more investigation, I know. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
This warning messages about server-authentification aka certs, how can I
disable them forever? I recall that I asked that some months ago, but I
don't know what the result was... |
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| SlavekB | you can fetch server certificate and import it into your local certificates. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: So just clicking to accept it you mean? But on some other pages I will get the same problem? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
So in theory, we should collect all this certs and re-exporting them
regulary into git, so that all benefit from them, is that right? |
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| SlavekB | It is about some certificates onTrinity ste? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: No, not trinitydesktop.org |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Just something like ebay, news pages and all sorts of webpages. |
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| SlavekB | When viewed from Konqueror? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
But if we do so, it is the question still about trust. So would it be
possible to sync the certs from time to time with palemoon or some other
browser which maintain their certs? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Right. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
For example, if I read something from Akregator, I want to "read on"
and will be asked to accept the cert. It's every time invalid and
displayed in red. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: After accepting it, all good. But just for this page. |
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| SlavekB | aha, that's probably the problem with SNI. It will certainly be useful to SNI support to KSSL / Konqueror. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh, okay, I was guessing that is quite normal and you all are having this kind of "problems". I am not very into that. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Often I get 20 messages to accept the certs... |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: "Cert is invalid" in red. "The cert was not made for this computer" - Translated to English. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it corresponds exactly to the problem with SNI. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah I see. But there is no switch to accept invalid certs, right? Besides the knowledge that this is some bad idea. |
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| SlavekB | yes, exactly - it is not possible to accept the certificate that is for another server. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I have read about SNI now and I think I understand the problem now. Hm. |
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| SlavekB | adding SNI support to KSSL / Konqueror is the only sensible solution ... only to find the necessary manpower to do it :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is it possible to show what KDE4 did to KSSL to support it? Or has they made it obsolete after KDE3? |
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| _Chris_ | *look |
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| SlavekB | some kssl parts have been moved from KDE into the QT. |
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| SlavekB | ..in KDE4/5. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Ah I see. I have read that Mathias Etrich is working for QT now and
Lars Knoll too (creator of KHTML). Interesting. So was expectable that
something like that happens. Without any valuation. |
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| a-865 | Packman seems to be out of sync with openSUSE/Trinity requirements :~( |
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| a-865 | too much missing to even try to start a Trinity installation to 42.1 |
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| a-865 | nothing provides libaudio or libllmImf |
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| ldfrsss | hi.
Using trinity pclinuxos here. Fonts look blurry . How can one build
freetype,or some other thing to have nice crisp fonts ? Like in WIndows .
I saw Q4os has nice fonts in TDE,but have no idea how they do it |
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| AlexLikeRock | hi |
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| AlexLikeRock | i lost OSD of VOLUME |
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| AlexLikeRock | how to activate ? |
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| pitriss | idk but i had opposite problem I didnt know how to disable it:D so i needed to redefine some keys and use dcop kmix:D |
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| AlexLikeRock | what its dcop ? |
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| pitriss | nope.. i didnt figured out what is doing that.. its somehow connected with XF_volume keys |
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| pitriss | and dcop is thingy to control your apps from scripts:) |
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| _Chris|Laptop | pitriss: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345661 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1345661: was not found. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
There is a lot going wrong with Firefox and it will be more. I just
came over this. Plugins and such things will be removed too in future. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Laptop:
yeah i see.. I saw this.. and there is completely no reason to remove
alsa as all PA machines have basic alsa too.. I dont know machine where
PA works without alsa |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Best would be if SeaMonkey and PaleMoon join forces for gecko
development and at this point same will happen to SM what happens to PM
actually with rendering. Mozilla will completely remove gecko in future.
PM and SM will be upstream for gecko than. That is going to be really
bad. Actually SM is not intrested in cooperation, but that maybe that
will change in future. Mozilla will completely change their engine to |
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| Chris|Laptop | this new rus-based e10 or whatever they call it. |
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| Chris|Laptop | *rust |
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| pitriss | Chris|Laptop: They sentenced firefox to death.. |
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| pitriss | theres no space for two "chromes" |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right. There was some interesting talk in PM channel about this. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Chrome is evil, that might be some absolutely personal opinion. But
Google did a lot bad and Apple too. Otherwise KHTML would be vital
still... |
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| pitriss | yéa.. Chrome is evil, yea.. but Firefox tends to be copy of Chrome.. |
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| pitriss | this is already happening |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
The technical reasons about this ALSA-drop are understandable. In fact I
have read the whole bugreport. But there were some good comments about
the real problem. It is not fully about technical aspects. It is about
emotional aspects. And they have users, they should care about emotional
aspects too. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right. |
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| pitriss | technical reasons were bullshit imo:) i read it whole.. and most emotional was that guy who did that change |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
And ironically KHTML can wonderfully pages which are not filled with JS
all over the page. Simply HTML/CSS validated pages are working fine. |
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| pitriss | because he is just exact LP follower.. Only ONE (his) path is the right one and rest are completely wrong |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I got it the other way, I will re-read too. |
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| pitriss | yea.. agree.. |
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| pitriss | but theres also JS, ajax, and whats worst HTML5 |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: There was this guiy who did the change. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, I have read about HTML5 too, they will add EME to HTML5, officially. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: This DRM-Shit. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: It's interesting what people are in the HTML-Draft-Group.... |
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| pitriss | this thing shouldnt be in any specification.. |
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| pitriss | and in web spec its completely fkd up.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: The whole concept is wrong. HTML5 is a living standard. That makes no sense. A standard which is changing all the time? |
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| pitriss | because web should be readable to everybody.. |
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| pitriss | not only for chosen ones who paid etc |
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| pitriss | thats another side what is wrong |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Right. But like so often in history the people and all other things
reach a point at which all is nearly perfect and after this point they
start to think about things which are not really important to make it
now "pefect". Look KDE4, Firefox, Windows, so much. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Some guy of Chrome is leading this group by the way. I am not very into
this, but if I know right, it is still the case. |
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| pitriss | windows
never was even barely close to perfect.. last easy to tweak were 98SE,
last user friendly and lets say stable were 32bit XP |
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| pitriss | (64bit XP were completely different OS incompatible with 32 AFAIR) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right, but most people would say 98SE and XP were the perfect windows. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right, but you know what I mean :-) |
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| pitriss | they never seen linux then:D |
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| pitriss | Linux have MANY flaws.. but still is better than any windows will be.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
If people have too much time to think about things, they will start to
think about the whole concept, see Windows 8. Removing desktop, to make
it "better". |
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| pitriss | As Windows will be still driven by company.. by one view.. |
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| pitriss | i see..:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: For me the perfect state of the Linux Desktop was to the Ubuntu time. 2005 until.... 2007. In this range. |
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| Chris|Laptop | Or maybe 2008, until KDE4 came and Gnome 3. |
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| pitriss | it will change soon as smartphone, tablet, desktop pc and game console have completely different workflow |
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| pitriss | and somebody will figure it out.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | But
the Ubuntu versions to this time had less and less change, because they
were perfect for every day use, so they started to go new ways. |
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| pitriss | im satisfied now.. its stable, even closed source drivers for my nvidia.. |
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| pitriss | there are still no systemd distros.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Windows 10 is a service, you don't get a product. Therefore it is legal to force you to updates. It's not your OS. |
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| pitriss | ppl
still thinking about stuff and theres smaller group of ppl who are not
sheeplike and dont follow fake leaders (lennart P etc) so easily |
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| pitriss | which is good.. as there is still alternative.. |
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| pitriss | heh yeah.. and thus they can put ads everywhere:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
I am starting to hate this guy. I just have to say that honest. That is
maybe not right from ethical standpoint. I have read some blogs from
him to understand his kind of view, but he don't understand what he is
doing to Linux.... |
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| pitriss | windows are slowly dying.. and MS is aware of that.. |
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| pitriss | after years of crippling SW, they are going to pay tax for it:D |
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| pitriss | he dont need to understand.. His way is the ONLY GOOD ONE..:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Back in the KDE3 days Lennart P was some "crazy" guy who was working on
something like "PolyAudio" which no one wanted to use, he worked on
this for years. Now he is ruling whole Linux development. At least
things like systemd and PA. |
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| pitriss | but
I dont share point of view with him.. There were multiple ways to do
the same task in unix/linux for decades.. and one guy cant ruin that.. |
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| pitriss | time will show.. but his crapware will die.. I dont believe he have power to kill all nonsystemd distros.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
I am not for to forbid PA or something like that, not that's against
Free Software. But there is much more what is coming from this.
Distributions don't think about their changes, what it does to Linux.
People will not understand their system, because they are using
astractions. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right, we in Gentoo we have OpenRC init system. But more and more "making systemd-compatible"-services are added. |
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| pitriss | Man worst case what can happen is that ppl will switch to more stricktly developed BSD systems:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Gnome for example is not working without systemd, was at least my last information... |
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| pitriss | BSD is more "fanatic" about purism, fanaticaly proud of being unix.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right. I am very interested to change to OSS in Linux. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: TDE needs more help for BSD. :-( |
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| pitriss | so I dont think some guy like LP will have chance in BSD developement:) It will come with more ppl in BSD.:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/ |
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| Chris|Laptop | This is the blog of the dev from spacefm, fork of pcmanfm. He has some interesting blog. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Good thing under Gentoo is, they support BSD too. I don't want to
change to some binary distribution. I am so used to this source based
concept. |
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| pitriss | debian can have BSD kernel too..:) Or at least had this possibility.. |
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| pitriss | and i think theres no systemd too |
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| pitriss | https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
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| Chris|Laptop | You mean Debian with BSD kernel? Because Debian Linux is using systemd? |
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| pitriss | i wonder if there will be trinity working.. :D need to try someday:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: That looks good, like Gentoo BSD. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I think some main components could be working. There are some bugreports about BSD support. |
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| SlavekB | Debian with FreeBSD kernel is as separate 'architectures' == need separate packages. |
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| pitriss | yeah but this should have "standard" userland.. compiler and so on.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Is also GCC used for the packages? |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ahh ok ty for clarification:) |
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| pitriss | saved me few hours trying:D |
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| SlavekB | yes, "standard" user land, but packages are as 'architecture' kfreebsd-amd64 or kfreebsd-i386 |
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| Chris|Laptop | Ah, makes sense. |
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| SlavekB | by the way kfreebsd-* is not part of Jessie :( |
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| pitriss | yeah.. but still, can get rid off some bugs caused by differences between compilers etc, or not?:) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ahh so they stopped this project?:( |
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| SlavekB | I do not know - also for the Stretch is not included. |
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| pitriss | then yes, they killed it apparently.. |
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| SlavekB | maybe kfreebsd port killed because userland is too depending on systemd |
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| Chris|Laptop | No place anymore for this, besides systemd. |
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| Chris|Laptop | Dito. |
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| SlavekB | however in SID seems to be maintained. |
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| pitriss | heh confusing.. |
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| pitriss | I need to try to dive into BSD sometimes again.. most confusing is for me their "repo" system:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Mozilla wants to use WebAssembly, that reminds me on Opera, introducing
this HTML/CSS widgets on the desktop, some clock and such things, can
you remember? |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
IgnorantGuru, this spacefm guy from which I posted the blog has tested
several BSD as replacement for Linux and wrote his results on this blog.
Might be interesting too. I think performance was a bit worse. |
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| pitriss | hehe yeah.. |
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| pitriss | i
dont care about performance.. as I use binary distro..:) and my old i7
is still overpowered for my needs.. so 15% worse performance is still no
showstopper for me:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: That performance is worse also on binary. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: But there are also some difference between the different BSD systems. |
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| pitriss | yeah i see.. |
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| pitriss | for me is only option freebsd IIRC as its only one with nvidia support:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Also BSD is not only about the kernel only. It's developement is driven
with ports and the whole userland is important too. It runs without
this userland, but that is not the philosophy of it.... |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, that works? |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
I am just testing nouveau driver, but 3D is not really useable. But it
is some Geforce5600Go mobility chip here, on some laptop, so I don't
care anyway :-) |
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| pitriss | i see.. but still BSDs philospophy is closer to me than "lets one guy fk up everything" attitude:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right :-P |
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| pitriss | not thinking about switch yet.. but when devuan and so on die.. then theres an option:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAssembly <- only the logo is shouting bad to me -> MaterialFlatDesign. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I really like devuan people, I had sometime some talk with them and they had a really nice attitude. |
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| pitriss | WebAssembly
is a portable stack machine[3] which is designed to be faster to parse
than JavaScript, as well as faster to execute. //with potetntionally
worse snadboxing than JS..:D |
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| pitriss | sandboxing* |
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| Chris|Laptop | Sandboxing issues were also some technical aspect of removing ALSA-support from firefox. |
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| pitriss | on other hand.. can fix that JS hell when web will eat 2 cores of your 4core machine |
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| Chris|Laptop | Web needs snowflakes :') |
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| pitriss | yeah but not real issue as there were pointed out its working on chrome:) |
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| pitriss | so they can share code/can be inspired |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right, PM is also supporting ALSA. With great success. |
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| pitriss | snowflakes in webassembly.. more snowflakes at once!!:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | At least I don't have any problems. |
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| Chris|Laptop | :-) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
I really want to try out KHTML from KDE4/5 to get some view how well it
works in difference to KHTML from TDE. Maybe some things could be
backported? |
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| pitriss | but why not to have some compiled userside scripting. when properly sandboxed and limited to not kill whole machine |
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| pitriss | idk.. I'm not C coder:/ |
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| pitriss | so cant judge.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
First we need to know if that makes any sense. Because I am very much
for to preserve KHTML. I don't like webkit very much. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: That's fully emotional, to be honest :-) |
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| pitriss | only
things i did in C was hacking evdev driver in lenny to support
correctly mouse scroll emulation for my logitech marble.. and modifying
clog code to produce valid html:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Do you know if TDE could work on wayland? |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I know that you can nest some X in wayland, but besides of that... |
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| pitriss | (clog is some blog thingy in C and CGI) and adding articles is done by adding text file:D |
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| pitriss | no idea |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, thanks, I just wanted to search for it. Sounds interesting. |
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| pitriss | i use it for my small blog.. not publishing much but once per year theres need to clear my mind so..:D |
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| pitriss | https://sourceforge.net/projects/clogblog/ |
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| pitriss | (it has no comments etc under blogposts.. no web 2.0:D) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
And because of WebAssembly: I don't like it. It will make people not
using this shit more problems. Also people with weak machines not using
WA. Because webdevs will tend to add much more JS from now on. Like you
said, more snowflakes. But people which are using not WA will have much
more CPU problems. |
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| pitriss | and yeah Im just soooo oldschool.. no comments! how did I dare?:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
They are doing the wrong thing. JS is bad. And they search for ways to
make is less bad, so they can add much more of it. Instead of use it
less, like back in the days. |
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| pitriss | i understand it as just different thingy.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Better oldschool then hipster. |
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| pitriss | so..
eg some site will have snowflakes in JS and as option second pink blog
will have them in web assembly and will be eating only one core instead
of 2 |
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| Chris|Laptop | Will take a look at this clogblog thing :-) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Right, but people will use this space of CPU time to render more
"effects". Otherwise the web of today would be MUCH faster today, right? |
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| pitriss | not suitable too much for common hostings as its better compiled directly on that machine and needs CGI:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: But in fact is is nearly the same speed, if not more bad. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. but i guess there will be still way how to block WA the same as JS can be blocked. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I know some hoster for 1€ which supports CGI. |
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| Chris|Laptop | Uberspace.de |
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| pitriss | fortunatelly i dont need hosters.. i just put my s**t on our jabber server:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Ah, nice. okay. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: That looks nice. |
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| pitriss | we
have old VPS with jabber (isgeek.info) not much maintained as theres no
time to do that.. but it works quite stable so no need to |
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| pitriss | it was originally project for 10 freinds.. |
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| pitriss | and we decided to open it to public.. and boom we had more than 100 unique users per month.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
I found this hoster by random, for people who needs some space it is
nice, you can pay what you want to pay, starting with 1€ and you can pay
it also with some letter. It's German and I liked the mentaly of the
people behind it. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Let me take a look. |
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| pitriss | now when FB killed most IM services, theres still some users:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right, that's really sad with FB. They also killed most forums. |
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| pitriss | its in czech but theres one page with registration in english:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: With some shiny FB button at the footer :-P |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Look, this page is properly made and Konqueror renders it fast and clean. |
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| pitriss | ppl was asking for it:D not maintained tho..:D |
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| pitriss | same as twitter:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Was just some fun, no problem ^^ |
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| pitriss | me and friend were both webcoders.. both who knows how web should look like:) |
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| pitriss | we were forced to disable registration through jabber clients.. too much spammers and other troubles.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Right. I thought about what you said, that there is no real lightweight
engine because web of today is not lightweight. You are right. |
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| pitriss | but this thingy with recaptcha works too (when recaptcha is working:D) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
I have some Jabber Account. But I don't use it much, I still want to
get Kopete to work with it. Or maybe I will use that transport you
linked to me. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: How cute! You used Kopete icon in navigation :-) |
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| pitriss | yeah.. :D |
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| pitriss | ok just tried really quick one of my jabber accounts in kopete and yeah its not working for me too.. |
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| pitriss | but as i said.. i dont care as kopete is for me too much "bare" |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, seems to be some bug than, I recall there is something known in bugtracker. |
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| pitriss | its just only basic communicator.. no additional values there.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I think I will try your bumblebee project, or how it was called. |
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| pitriss | I really dont care as I use kopete only for having it hidden with two ancient ICQ accounts there.. |
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| pitriss | bitlbee:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right. |
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| pitriss | i used it for normal conversations too back in the days.. as its really simple.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Now you are using bitlebee with konversation, right? |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: For jabber. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: And yes, for more too. |
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| pitriss | yeah for jabber conferences.. |
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| pitriss | jabber MUC is something like IRC.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right, I know MUCs. |
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| pitriss | so it fits well into konversation..:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Perfect! Maybe this night or tomorrow I will try out bitlbee than. |
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| pitriss | dont get scared as its really different approach how to use IM.. but not neccessarily bad:D |
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| pitriss | i love comfort of konversation, user scripts, only 4 colors in chat window etc.. |
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| pitriss | (my messages, other messages, part/joins/topic and /me messages) |
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| pitriss | it doesnt make your eyes tired so quick than some chat with many animated emojis like skype.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: In how far different? |
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| pitriss | or MSN was terrible in this back in the days:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Ah, right. I am a bit like you in this case. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Right..... |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Skype works too with it by the way? |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I know it works with libpurple backend, bitlbee. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: But for pidgin you need to run skype in background. At least it was this way back in the days. |
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| pitriss | just
different.. eg having all the ppl in one room and being able to write
them from that window (ofc you can do query and its like normal im
then), controlling accounts by root contact in control channel etc..
just different |
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| pitriss | skype have some plugins.. not tried yet.. there are 3 of them and 2 needs original skype running in fake x) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, so you get some virtual room for your contacts? |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I think I will search for some videos about bitlbee first. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. you need a while to get used to it as IM is now IRC.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Okay, I will try it then. Setup is not really complicated I hope. |
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| pitriss | nope.. it have its simple logic.. |
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| pitriss | its just different approach to thing you know from different side:) |
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| pitriss | https://wiki.bitlbee.org/FrontPage //list of supported protocols |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Skype with skypeweb. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. thats the one without need of having skype installed |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: WhatsApp no longer works, sad. I really don't like it anyway. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Okay, skype plugin looks interesting. Telegram plugin too. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Because Skype and Telegram-Desktop clients needs QT4. This way I can get aride of QT4. |
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| pitriss | discord
works quite good tho.. I noticed that many projects using that thingy
instead of IRC/MUC but works quite stable.. sometime it disconnects
but.. not so often |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: In what bitlbee is written? |
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| pitriss | C i guess.. |
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| pitriss | i'm using their repo for packages so IDK for sure..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: My whole laptop is frozen. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Seems Konqueror was not liking the bitlbee wiki. The whole TDE-Session I mean. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: aww sorry to hear.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
C sounds good. Better as something like python or Java. I am
going to get behind the house now anyway to tank a bit of sun. See you
later :-) |
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| pitriss | yeah.. I love ruby but i hate Diaspora project because they wrote whole project in it.. |
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| pitriss | ruby was never meant for such use.. not for server which should handle many connections at once.. |
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| pitriss | so nope.. Its no go for me to use such slow and sys resources hungry thing.. |
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| pitriss | if they wanted to do server, they should use proper language to write it in.. |
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| pitriss | even java would do better than ruby in diasporas case.. |
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| __Chris | pitriss:
This bitlbee trick should be added to TDE tips and tricks section. This
way you can integrate all your IMs into konversation/TDE. |
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| a-865 | Anyone here can think of a reason why TDM is starting in Stretch even though default target is multi-user? |
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| a-865 | 4:14.0.5~pre12-0debian9.0.0+2~a |
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| pitriss | __Chris: i'm glad you like it:) |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: can you think of a reason why TDM 14.0.4 is starting in Stretch even though default target is multi-user? |
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| |marvin| | hello, anybody on ? |
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| |marvin| | I´m
trying to install TDE on openSuSe Leap 42.2, but there is a dependence
broken, mising libaudio.so.2 for trinity-kttsd-contrib-plugins |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865:
What do you mean with multi-user? I don't know how it is in Debian, but
normaly you simply define your DisplayManager and it will be started.
In this case TDM. |
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| a-865 | _Chris|Laptop: multi-user.target, vs. graphical.target |
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| a-865 | like runlevels 3 vs. 5 |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: You mean runlevel? |
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| a-865 | runlevels do not exist with systemd |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Ah, okay... |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865:
Maybe it's simply added to the multi-user.target instead of the
graphical.target by default? There has to be some command to list
started services by some target under systemd? |
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| a-865 | debians without systemd only use runlevels 0,s/1,2,6 |
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| a-865 | I have multiple debian/TDE installations, but only in this one is this a problem, as X is locking up the machine |
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| a-865 | its gfxcard is not supported by KMS |
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| a-865 | sometimes iomem=relaxed helps, but usually nothing does |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865:
Maybe you can simply list started services by a target. I don't know
why, but seems multi-user.target has added TDM. What card are you using
by the way? |
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| a-865 | matrox 550 |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Nice! |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Are
you using framebuffer driver for matrox then? DRI1 drivers for mesa
were removed and I don't think Debian still includes old DRM module for
matrox. But maybe you can build them. I have played with some matrox
card 2 years back or so under Gentoo. |
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| a-865 | the matrox was working with mga driver last night after a lot of trial and error, but today it won't any more |
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| a-865 | works fine in jessie |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Yes, you need a bit to try out how it works. |
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| a-865 | problem was solved in openSUSE with iomem=relaxed http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1004453 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1004453: was not found. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: MGA driver is for 2D. But maybe EXA 2D is not working. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Oh, okay. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: By the way, are you using the AGP version? |
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| a-865 | yup |
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| a-865 | agp=off didn't help either, but maybe I need to try again :-p |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Nice, good to know that TDE works nice with it. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Your X freezes you say? What does Xorg.log say? |
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| a-865 | segfault with no subsequent detail |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Argh, I know that from some SIS IGP chip. |
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| a-865 | a few dmesg lines if drm.debug=0x0e, many lines if drm.debug=1 |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865:
Ah, in my case the problem was using DRM kernel driver and framebuffer
kernel driver at the same time. Was intended to work at the same time,
but it was not true. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Are you using the framebuffer driver? |
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| a-865 | that requires KMS support, which doesn't exist for Matrox |
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| a-865 | except for the new 200 versions on server boards |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865:
Hm, no. Back in the days framebuffer was the old KMS. At least from
user perpective. Let me some moment. And right, KMS is now supported for
new 200 versions. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: CONFIG_FB_MATROX |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: That supports G550 too. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: It will give you console acceleration. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: In my case of SIS IGP, the 2D xorg driver was using this module than too. |
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| a-865 | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg01366.html |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Interesting. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865:
Okay, for this TDM starting problem, there has to be some command to
check out what services are started by a target. You can execute some
commands by the way on this machine? |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: And I don't think it's because of TDE or so. I am sure the problem will also happen with plain startx. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: People on the mailinglist also suggest to try to disable the framebuffer. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: You can try to lspci -k and look what kernel driver is in use for your VGA. |
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| a-865 | disabling framebuffer doesn't help |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: What does lspci -k say about what your VGA adapter is using as a kernel driver? |
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| a-865 | that mailing list thread is only the OP and me |
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| a-865 | machine is offline for next several hours, can only have so many on at the same time |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: But he is right about that framebuffer use can make problems. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Oh, I understand. But you can start the machine in text-mode then? |
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| a-865 | no |
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| a-865 | but I can remote login to get at the logs and configs |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Okay, is there not any "I" for interactive mode in systemd, which service you want to start while booting?!? |
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| a-865 | If there is I don't know how to access it |
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| a-865 | if 14.1 didn't need special permission to use I would try it instead |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Is there not any lower target than multi-user? So you can change something from console? |
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| a-865 | I can change via remote. Lockup is only the local keyboard and screen |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Ah, okay. That is what I meant. So you can try lspci -k to find out what kernel module is in use of your VGA. |
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| a-865 | quitting for sleep momentarily |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Good sleep. |
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| a-865 | xserver is using the mga driver |
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| _Chris|Laptop | a-865: Right, that was expectable. But what kernel driver is your VGA using? You can find it out with lspci -k. |
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| a-865 | _Chris|Laptop: Kernel modules: matroxfb_base |
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| a-865 | _Chris|Laptop: booted to openSUSE, Kernel modules is not in lspci -k output |
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| a-865 | tough to figure this out with tdm always starting up |
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| __Chris | a-865:
Okay, so openSUSE works and has not loaded the framebuffer, Debian
works not and has loaded the framebuffer? If so, than it's the
framebuffer, like I said. Maybe here is someone knowing a bit about
systemd. |
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| a-865 | modprobe -r mga doesn't help |
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| __Chris | a-865: MGA is the xorg driver. |
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| a-865 | it's the right one in openSUSE |
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| __Chris | a-865:
MGA is the xorg driver. In the kernel there is only the DRM driver and
the framebuffer driver. The framebuffer driver seems to make problems.
The DRM driver is not needed, because mesa (for 3D) removed the DRI1
part for matrox anyway. So you simply need to blacklist the matrox
frambuffer kernel module and only using MGA driver of xorg (that will be
used anyway). |
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| a-865 | booting now in single to blacklist & rebuild |
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| __Chris | a-865: MGA is no kernel module. MGA is the xorg driver. |
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| __Chris | Nice. |
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| a-865 | in single, matroxfb_base is not loaded |
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| __Chris | CONFIG_DRM_MGA
is the DRM kernel driver, but it is not needed anyway, because it needs
DRI1 driver from mesa, for 3D. But matrox lacks 3D anway and mesa
removed this driver. |
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| a-865 | not building kernel, building initrd |
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| a-865 | I don't build, or use 3D |
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| __Chris | Okay. |
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| a-865 | Option "Composite"
"Disable" |
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| __Chris | a-865: Yes, but now. That is not needed. |
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| __Chris | a-865: Which mesa version you use? |
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| a-865 | whatever stretch uses |
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| __Chris | a-865:
Using DRI makes 2D faster too. But because it's unmaintained, it has a
lot of bugs and you need TDM to start before thinking about that... |
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| __Chris | a-865:
Mesa versions greater than 7 should not include DRI1 drivers (3D for
matrox, sis, via and friends). I am sure stretch is not including them. |
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| a-865 | maybe options mgag200 modeset=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/modesetting.conf is the problem here? |
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| __Chris | a-865: Most likely the MGA xorg driver fails, because it want's to use the matrox framebuffer kernel module for acceleration. |
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| __Chris | a-865: That's about g200 and seems to only affect KMS. But framebuffer is not KMS. |
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| __Chris | a-865: But sure, try it :-) |
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| __Chris | a-865: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting you need to blacklist this matrox framebuffer kernel module, so it is not loaded in the multi-user.target or graphical.target. |
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| __Chris | AFK for now. |
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| a-865 | _Chris|Laptop: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting is for etch/wheezy and does not work. no luck blacklisting mga or matroxfb_base |
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| a-865 | _Chris
finally got blacklisting to make Xorg work, but I had to purge and
reinstall tdm-trinity to get it to only start when it should |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865:
Oh, that's nice to hear. So it WAS the framebuffer kernel module which
was the problem? And yes, that with the systemd service came suspect to
me too. Maybe you have added it by random to the multi-user.target.
Interesting that some re-install can heal that... |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865:
If your xserver works now, you shoudl read the manpage of the mga xorg
driver for making your perfect xorg.conf because mga driver has some
options your likely want to change for better performance or
compatibility (changing XAA to EXA for example). Automatic crap don't
works good with this older drivers, so creating xorg.conf is the way to
go :-) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865:
If your CPU can handle it you can activate llvmpipe OpenGL emulation
for Mesa 3D (makes 2D faster too). Most likely this is activated by
default on recent Debians. You can take a look with glxgears/glxinfo
which driver for DRI is in use. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865:
Matrox cards still have this unbeaten VGA quality, because of good
quality components. Most exact colors, best used with some CRT by the
way :-) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: And not having framebuffer (so no higher resolution in console) is maybe not nice for you. You could try out UVESA -> https://blog.samat.org/2010/11/09/High-resolution-text-console-with-uvesafb-and-Debian/
and yes, it's for some older Debian, you have to get yourself how to
make it work under recent Debian. But this way you could use xorg +
having still a framebuffer on console. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | I mean Uvesafb. |
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| a-865 | vga=791 works well enough for the vttys |
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| a-865 | _Chris|Laptop_: my 550 machine is just a test box any more. It was my LAN server before the machine that this one replaced. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Ah okay. I was not aware about what you want to do with it. |
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| a-865 | _Chris|Laptop_: when I see someone on a mailing list with hardware I can match, I try to help. This was one of those. |
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| a-865 | no mga driver at all any more on Fedora |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865:
Fedora is ruled by Redhat people, lennart and friends. Was expectable,
that they removed this. But there are maybe repos which add it. I am
sure there is a way. But as I know they switched already to wayland
anyway? |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Was you not using arch? |
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| a-865 | wayland is only default, which is only working with certain DEs |
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| a-865 | openSUSE is my primary, but I have Debians, Mageias, Fedoras, Mint and more on test boxes |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Ah okay, Fedora was one of the first removing mesa DRI1 drivers too if I recall right. |
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| a-865 | AntiX on one, LMDE on one, Gentoo on one, *buntu on a few |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Interesting. |
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| a-865 | Arch would mean learning yet another package manager |
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| a-865 | only need 3 for those I have |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Right, that's some reason I am living in the Gentoo isolation. :-) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Someday I will try out Funtoo. |
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| a-865 | I spend more time in debians since SUSE dropped 32-bit |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: SUSE.... dropped 32-bit?? |
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| a-865 | lots of decent 32 bit machines still working here |
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| a-865 | dropped for "distribution" releases, kept so far for rolling release tumbleweed |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: That's bad. For most people 64-bit is nothing they need, besides it consumes more memory... |
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| a-865 | the bulk of SUSE devs are from SLE, which dropped 32bit coupla years ago |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Ah, I see. Back in the days, before Novell bought them out, all was good. |
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| a-865 | I'm looking for Fedora to drop 32 in F27 |
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| a-865 | I'm surprised F26 still has it |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: That's Redhat, enterprise too, it's expectable, right. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Makes no sense for consumer hardware. More RAM is needed. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865:
That's what I meant when I said, if people reach a perfect state, they
will start to make it "more perfect" and destroy all good things. |
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| a-865 | I don't look for Debian to keep 32 very long after Stretch goes GA |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865:
They are having too much time it seems. Back in the days these people
had enought to do, creating a near useable linux desktop. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: With Gentoo I still can use i386, i486. |
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| a-865 | TDE is perfect enuf :-D |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Right, after KDE3 and Gnome2, all this "crap" started. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: The total break will come. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Microsoft started to orphane 32-bit too, it might be the consequence. |
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| a-865 | GTK has screwed high DPI users of TDE, KDE & other: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269274 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1269274: was not found. |
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| a-865 | WONTFIX'd https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757142 more directly |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 757142: was not found. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: I think I know that bug already. Bad. |
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| a-865 | nobody cares about accessibility who has any power to do anything for it |
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| a-865 | too many youngsters in FOSS devel |
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| a-865 | and www devel |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: That's maybe true. We talked about that in connection wie www devel some days ago. |
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| a-865 | ppl with weak eyes simply don't get into puter devel stuff |
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| a-865 | way too much gray text on the www creeping into DE themes |
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| a-865 | low contrast fashion is terrible A11Y |
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| SlavekB | a-865: I studied the "solution" 757142 - truly amazing. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: do you mean that it solved any real problem??? |
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| a-865 | or does it exist mainly to break compat? |
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| SlavekB | I mean it ironically. |
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| a-865 | just making sure I understand |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | It's not a bug, it's a feature :-) |
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| SlavekB | commit does not solve any problem, only causes new problems, but "cannot be fixed" |
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| a-865 | likely there to push people at wayland |
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| a-865 | probably could be fixed by going over the head of mclasen@redhat.com to someone with more power |
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| SlavekB | Perhaps we need to do custom build of gtk... |
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| a-865 | that ought to be perfect solution |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DRI2DriversOnly
<- Because of attitude like this, people with IGP chips have
problems. -> Destroy old DRI drivers -> Percentage of completion:
100%. |
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| a-865 | I have yet to figure out what use is 3D |
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| a-865 | screens have only two dimensions |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: Right, but direct rendering makes UI faster too. |
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| a-865 | 3D nothing but resource hog |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | GTK3 is broken by design, I don't know why nobody is forking GTK2. Many project would most likely switch. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | a-865: MATE people should had fork GTK2, like TDE with QT3. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Redhat only has all this power, because people are using their software as some base. |
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| a-865 | wasn't much problem until mozilla switched from gtk2 to gtk3 |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Mozilla is doing a lot more bad things... |
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| a-865 | RUST |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Switching to SeaMonkey or PaleMoon is the way to go. Gecko will be killed in near future, plugins and add-ons too. |
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| a-865 | SeaMonkey needs more devs |
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| a-865 | lost coupla good ones lately |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Right,
but a lot of people said this to Linux in general back in the days. Now
Linux community has a lot of devs, see what is the result. |
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| a-865 | distrowatch list of distros much too long. more dev effort needs to go into fixing generic problems, less to niches |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | PaleMoon
and SeaMonkey and all other browsers wanting to use gecko further
should join forces and maintain gecko as a common base. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Audacious devs are very nice, they removed GTK3 support, switched BACK to GTK2. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | SpaceFM dev too. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Ironically Fedora advertised this DRI1 drop as a feature, nice. |
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| _Chris_ | Klipper needs the "K" to be changed to a "T" :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Are there any "draft" graphics, I mean gimp files or whatever, with
overlays? To edit the graphics? Or were they created with TDEiconedit? |
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| SlavekB | I think it's best to E.Liddel |
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| _Chris_ | You mean to ask him? |
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| SlavekB | Many icons is in base as SVG. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, many icons is already adjusted by E. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
The question is, if it is intended to change the "K" to a "T" in this
context. Because I don't know if it is intended to change "Klipper" to
"Tlipper". Or preserve the name and changing the "K" anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | I think this decision is not easy in general, because the "K" gives a lot of programs a sense. Klipper for example... |
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| _Chris_ | With krita this was more easy, because as I have read Krita authors wanted a change, so Krita is now Chalk. |
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| SlavekB | I'm not afraid to change K in the Klipper icon, even if the application name will remain unchanged. |
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| SlavekB | Rename all applications and libraries would be too great task. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the K in Klipper icon, is about TDE/KDE, not about Klipper someone could argue. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: What is about Konversation then? Tonversation? |
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| SlavekB | ...a task that would bring problems to programmers and users, but the benefits would be negligible. |
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| SlavekB | Problems starts from Konqueoror... |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| SlavekB | Kmail, Kopete,...and many many others. |
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| _Chris_ | So preserve the names, but change all "K" to "T" would be reasonable, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, Kmail would be okay, Tmail. |
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| _Chris_ | But application names which lost their sense with loosing the "K", Klipper and Konversation for example, that would be strange. |
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| SlavekB | yes - klipper, konversation, konqueror, krusader,... |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Other idea would be to find new replacement names for this kind of
applications which makes sense too and start with a "T". |
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| _Chris_ | But on the other hand side, that would destroy nostalgia for some people. |
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| SlavekB | For users it would destroy the names that are accustomed to using for many years. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | Kaffeine too, or AmaroK -> AmaroT |
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| SlavekB | ...without bringing any benefit. |
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| _Chris_ | But some nice "T" in the Konversation would be okay I think. If someone ask why.... it's a TDE application. |
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| SlavekB | Amarok should be changed to Taurus...another song from Mike Oldfield ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Or someone could add a T. TKonversation :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Taurus.... Sounds good in some way. |
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| _Chris_ | Yeah,
something like that I meant. Finding new sensefull names, starting with
T. But than there is the argument you said earlier, people loosing
their names from applications they know and love for years. |
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| SlavekB | ...without bringing any benefit. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise it's a bit confusing, if people search for Amarok in the web. All the "about"-dialogs point to the old upstream www. |
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| _Chris_ | It's something about own identity. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe something like that should be discussed some time on mailinglist. |
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| _Chris_ | Just without intention to do anything, just hearing what people thinks. |
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| SlavekB | The only advantage would be that after renaming absolutely everything would be possible to seek inclusion in the distributions. |
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| _Chris_ | That too. Less conflicts with KDE4/5. |
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| _Chris_ | Besides of that, amarok is nearly death. |
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| _Chris_ | A lot of other old good applications too. See Kaffeine. |
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| _Chris_ | It's interesting, I don't think any other project had to think about this kind of problems before. |
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| _Chris_ | It's a big and complicated task. |
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| SlavekB | For example Mate is a much smaller project, a much smaller number of applications => renaming has been simpler. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, Gnome2 was trimmed down to the essential. |
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| _Chris_ | And they had not really all applications starting with G. |
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| _Chris_ | So now they searched new names which had a new sense. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Has you some email or so from this graphic guy? |
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| SlavekB | You can write to the mailing-list. E. there responds normally. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah okay, maybe I can help, if he shows what is needed to edit these images. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
These "fix headers and optimize for size"-PNG-script, what is the
trick, do you know that? Because the size is mostly bigger after using
it? |
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| SlavekB | This is job by Tim. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I just noticed it by browsing the git. |
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| Space_Man | running ubuntu 14.04 and trinity 14.0.5, just updated and then restarted, now can't login |
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| Space_Man | startx worked |
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| Space_Man | but no sound and something wrong with the display drivers |
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| Space_Man | any ideas |
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| SlavekB | Space_Man: some userful in tdm.log? |
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| Space_Man | where is tdm.log? |
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| SlavekB | /var/log/tdm.log |
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| Space_Man | the last line |
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| Space_Man | Apr 2 14:04:25 tdm[29731] error: Can't lock pid file /var/run/tdm.pid, another xdm is running (pid 1178) |
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| Space_Man | the last 200 lines http://paste.debian.net/925598/ |
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| SlavekB | Space_Man: nice - crashes X server itself. It probably will not be the fault of the Trinity. |
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| Space_Man | SlavekB: any ideas how to fix it? |
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| Space_Man | this crash could be related to an attempt to install fglrx |
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| Space_Man | I've now purged it and going to restart |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
i think Kmail can be Tmail easily.. renaming changes nothing except
name of that program. IMO it was KDEmail, now it is TrinityMail.. so
Tmail.. |
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| pitriss | i will be not crzing for K in Kmail if that app stays awesome as it already is..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Right, in this case I see it like pitriss. Maybe simply talk about that on the mailinglist or so would be interesting. |
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| pitriss | i
remember how back in the days Thunderbird slowed my machine to unusable
level because of 2GB of emails stored.. So i gave chance to kmai (yes
its workflow was unusual for me) and it works like charm and I have way
more emails in it now:) |
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| pitriss | still no problem and tbh i would have problems using thunderbird again as no mail client is so comfy as Trinitys Kmail |
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| SlavekB | pitriss:
Yes, KMail is one of the applications, for which is possible change the
'K' => 'T' without destroying the sense of the name. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | pitriss: Do you use pop3, IMAP offline or IMAP online? |
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| pitriss | from listed options.. all of them..:D |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | pitriss: Okay, because before I used claws-mail and had also a lot.... of emails. POP3 account. |
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| pitriss | I prefer cached imap as local copy can be helpful:) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | pitriss:
With TMail now, I am using IMAP without cache. But that was more by
accident. I just found out that last time I had no connection. Cached
IMAP sounds good. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | pitriss: I don't can recall if Claws-Mail had this option. So big pro for TMail. |
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| pitriss | I really love that app.. its great time saver:) All mails in one place, reacts quick, no slowdowns with huge ammount of emails.. |
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| pitriss | but yes it hanged few times.. but dont care.. once in few months killall and restart is no issue |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, really great.:-) |
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| _Chris_ | Another
thing would be the versioning scheme. TMail for example has at the
startscreen a very long versionnumber, a date. 2010... last version of
PIM-Enterprise as I know. |
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| _Chris_ | TDE
applications like konqueror use the TDE version like R14.0.4, but
applications like Amarok or Kaffeine use their own versions, but without
any change since KDE 3.5.10 release. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
changing this to R14.0.4 scheme would make sense. But only as long no
dev want to work on some of this applications for real and seperate as
own application again. |
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| _Chris_ | Actually
the changes are more minor than major and therefore there is no need of
a seperate release of this applications, so they are released like TDE
internal applications. So changing them to TDE style versioning would
make sense. Just something about I thought sometimes. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, the git system of TDE already uses this R14.x.x versioning for releases. |
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| _Chris_ | I
just looked over all applications and there are a lot, I would say more
or less 60% of them which could changed from "K" -> "T" without any
bad effect on the sense of the name or so on. Some problem will remain
for applications which has changed out the "C" to a "K". This is not
possible with some "T". |
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| _Chris_ | Some applications would be truly amazing. KTorrent for example :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that's not true. You can change "D" to "T" in some cases :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
bad.. but.. i prefer no systemd at all.. that thingy should die by
painful death..:) or maybe its author?:D (only joke, i dont wish anybody
anything bad, 'cause karma is a bi*ch) |
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| pitriss | going to sleep.. later :) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | pitriss: It was just posted because of ironie :-) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | *Irony |
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| pitriss | ahh kk..:D |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | And the whole project is irony too. |
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| pitriss | but still its sad as it can be another option.. |
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| pitriss | could* |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | I am very against systemd personaly, but I respect if people use it. |
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| pitriss | that project want to take good thing from that ball of crap and made it standalone |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Right. But systemd is broken by design. |
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| pitriss | they failed unfortunatelly |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Seems so :-( |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | But people from Gentoo are doing a great job working on eudev. |
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| pitriss | I agree.. but diversity is good..:) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Worth some look. |
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| pitriss | I wish them best luck..:) |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Right, but I hope this diversity is still existing in some years. |
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| pitriss | damn really need to go sleep..:) later..:) need to be fresh at morning unfortunatelly |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | Have a nice sleep. Good night pitriss! |
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| Fabio_ | saludos saludos. xD |
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| Chris|Laptop | SlavekB:
Do you know if this font settings in TDE like hinting,
sub-pixel-rendering and so on are using the native freetype functions? |
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| pitriss | Chris|Laptop:
i did impossible today:D I got new work and i was installing my
workstation.. some older dell thingy.. and I got dualhead to work with
trandr or how is that systray thingy called:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, wonderfull. After what we read here before, this was something really impossible. And yes, TDERandRTray :-) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: What distribution? |
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| pitriss | Chris|Laptop: Debian wheezy, R14.04 |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: So people here have problems because of newer base (xrandr, xorg....) or because of problematic hardware. What GPU? |
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| pitriss | brief
description what i did.. generated default xorg, removed bloat from it,
disabled xinerama, set virtual size in display section of screen. |
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| pitriss | Intel C2D, some radeon card |
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| pitriss | and then i was able to use that xrandr thingy to create proper profile for dualhead purely in it |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Okay, so radeon driver. Yes, like you recommended to other people. But
virtual size in display section was not tested by other people, maybe
that was the culprit. |
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| pitriss | i just got error about i cant set bigger size than actual resolution.. so i summed width of both screens and set it as virtual. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
The question was if this is some problem of TDERandR or because of
xorg. So seems if all is properly configured, TDERandR works. But this
guy who had problems with starting and getting garbage on the screen had
problems not related to TDE, because also XDM or so had this problems. |
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| pitriss | restarted xorg and tadaa.. it was working. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, good to know that. |
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| pitriss | But I dont get one thing, why the heck is still xinerama default on? its superseded by xrandr for many years now |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Right, but in TDE we found out, you need to activate support for it (in
kicker for example) to setup if you want to stretch it or only have it
shown on one or another screen. |
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| pitriss | there is not much need of other tool for most common usecases than that xrandr tray app |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: As I know Debian TDE packages are anyway with xinerama support compiled. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: But xinerama should not be activated with xorg - right.... |
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| pitriss | i was able to set how i have screens placed, which is primary etc.. In quite easy way.. everything was self explaining:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: But what do you want to expect with automatic-kitchen-sink. |
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| pitriss | so I cant confirm lack of nice tool to set it up.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Nice, I want to test it too in near time. :-) |
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| pitriss | most PITA was to get xorg.conf to work.. as radeon driver did some mess in that conf |
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| pitriss | i mean 3 screens when only 2 was present etc.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
By the way I found out what is the problem with KOffice letter spacing.
It is some QT3 font rendering problem with freetype it seems. I was
known in KOffice 1.5 release comments. -> https://dot.kde.org/comment/48976#comment-48976 |
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| pitriss | anyway.. it works.. even on radeons.. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: What mess? I am using radeon too. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: If you use KMS, you have to set some options as kernel parameter... |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I still copy some other xorg.conf from other machines as a template and don't use any generating of that file. :-) |
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| pitriss | It
was bitching about wrong number of screens, so i needed to delete
.Xauthority, then it placed 3 screen settings in it.. but this machine
have only 2 outputs etc.. standard radeon.. nothing can go smooth:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh okay. Was it a AGP machine, just for interest. |
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| pitriss | had no time to check such things:) priority was to make it work:D |
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| pitriss | while boss was watching my progress:D |
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| pitriss | but i guess it was pciex already |
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| pitriss | that xorg.conf need some more love like properly name devices deleting commented out things etc.. |
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| pitriss | but ill try to upload it somewhere when ill have some time to do so.. just as draft for ppl having issues with the same |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Oh, that is some wonderfull idea. Nice. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Yes, that I am doing too with every new machine. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: What resolution you use on these screens? |
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| pitriss | I got 2 old eizo LCDs with native resolution 1280x1024 |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: Eizo is always nice. |
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| pitriss | indeed |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
On my 24" Sony CRT I use 1920x1200. Without any problems in TDE. On
these laptop I am using 1024x768. That is a little bit low, but works
too. Some people wrote in comments that KDE3 was strange to use with
high resolutions. But I can't say that. :-) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: But 1280x1024 is still a good resolution for regular things. |
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| pitriss | I bet its all about graphics card.. not about trinity |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
No I have read that in some "anti-TDE"-comments, that with high
resolution Kicker would be too long, not useable and such a crap. Seems
these people have never tried that. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Sadly LCDs are locked to their native resolution, at least most people
will just use that resolution, because on most of them
interpolation/scaling is bad. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. but its enough for me.. as I have the same resolution here..:) |
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| pitriss | and kicker too long? its not problem to set it as long as I want:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | Right, all starting from 1280x1024 is fine :-) |
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| pitriss | its not a problem to have multiple kickers at one edge of screen..:) |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: I don't got what was meant. So long that text was not readable or such things. |
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| Chris|Laptop | Right. |
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| pitriss | i mean eg one for taskbar, second for systray.. so both have controlled size:D |
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| Chris|Laptop | That was what I thought too. Seems it was anti-propaganda for KDE4. |
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| Chris|Laptop | pitriss: If I recall right, the guy who wrote that was the KWin author... |
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| Chris|Laptop | :-) |
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| pitriss | ahh thats like opera coders did Acid tests and Only opera was able to go 100% :D |
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| Chris|Laptop | For example :-P |
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| Chris|Laptop | Opera was a nice browser too back in the days, I was using it with KDE3 and it was using QT3. |
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| Chris|Laptop | Besides it was propritary. Too bad, presto engine never was released under GPL or so. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
I noticed that konversation cant handle transparent images as
backgrount.. background goes black when I select transparent png. |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Completely black or just the alpha-channel? |
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| pitriss | i guess alpha channel.. but.. its weird in many more aspects:D |
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| pitriss | just
try to place any picture on the background.. its coords are weird, its
tiled and cant be centered and whats weirdest.. its scrolling with
text:D |
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| pitriss | __Chris: ^ |
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| __Chris | pitriss: ^ |
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| pitriss | i meant as i forgot to hiloght you:D so i did after and pointed at my post:D |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Hm, maybe back to the time that was implemented, there was no alpha-channel of *.PNG? :-P |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Hehe, I know :-) |
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| __Chris | pitriss: But let me test. |
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| pitriss | i think png had alpha channel since they introduced it |
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| pitriss | but fact its moving with text is quite too much WTF:D |
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| __Chris | pitriss:
I can't reproduce, can you link some picture? I just noticed, the
picture will be tiled if it is smaler than konversation and repeated. |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Okay, that was more meant as some joke :-P |
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| pitriss | of course i can:) |
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| pitriss | http://chytrex.wjake.com/crap/drak-maska-2.png |
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| pitriss | and I see my obsession of having pictures on background is weird.. but its part of what I am:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Nice. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting.... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the background is repeated. |
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| pitriss | you have no troubles with blackened transparent parts? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I think I see what you wrote too. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Alpha-Channel is black, but besides of that all is okay. |
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| pitriss | maybe it will be important i dont use compositor.. |
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| pitriss | as some apps were flickering with it.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Hm, that should not be the problem. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I don't use that too. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: For transparent PNG in konqueror you don't need it too. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I think that's worth some bugreport. Most likely they implemented it without thinking about alpha-channel. |
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| pitriss | i think konversation dont use standard kparts.. so it behave differently |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, but there is no reason a transparent would need real compositor. That worked for decades without. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: The right behavior would be to show the white (background color) of the konversation through the alpha-channel. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: With compositor, the window is transparent, so the white should be transparent too. |
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| pitriss | anyway this is so much cosmetic issue nobody exept me would love to have it fixed, so I dont think it will be fixed:D |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, but why not report it? Maybe in some years.... who knows? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Just for reference. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I have some PC which don't poweroff after shutting it down. Just halt at unmounting. Any ideas? Some old one. 2002. |
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| pitriss | yeah ill report it someday.. |
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| pitriss | did you tried kernel options like noacpi, noapic and so on? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Maybe some APCI problem, first thing I want to try is ACPI=force. |
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| pitriss | it can be bugged implementation of acpi on the board |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: No, not until now. LAPIC works it seems, from dmesg. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Hm, but with.... windows..... it worked. I need the suspend thing on this machine. |
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| pitriss | i meant it at least for debug purposes to see what subsystem is failing |
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| pitriss | On windows it can be fixed by some sw hack in drivers |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Right, that's some argument. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Oh, it's from 2001 or so. |
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| _Chris_ | Sony Vaio PCV-LX1 |
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| _Chris_ | With LCD, one of the first of the world, with TFT :-P |
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| pitriss | hehe i have also quite old machine.. some prestigio.. highend back in the days.. |
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| _Chris_ | Back in the days, that was the design PC of the future. Today it's runs decent with TDE, for writing some letters. |
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| pitriss | but under linux.. no way to get sdcard reader working:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Oh, really? This sony machine has some sofware fan controlling, and I
thought all the years that it is not possible to control them with
Linux. |
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| pitriss | some laptops have acpi based fan control which cant be controlled |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
But now I found out, it has some IT87 chipset with 3 PWM outputs for
controling the fans. At start, they run at full speed, also the PSU. But
with kernel param it87.fix_pwm_polarity you can control them. |
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| _Chris_ | This
chipset also supports trip points under Linux, so you can set values
and trip points and the chipset calculated in hardware the PWM signal
for the fans. |
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| pitriss | awesome.. |
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| _Chris_ | This
thing is really not to hear and with TFT, so it is still for today a
nice machine for simple office work and looks reasonable "modern". |
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| pitriss | when
i tried that force that card reader to work i found once some c code to
make it work.. from 2002 or so.. so it was unable to compile |
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| _Chris_ | And with TDE and 1GB SDRAM, it works well. |
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| _Chris_ | Some.... C code? |
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| _Chris_ | You mean some third-party kernel module? |
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| pitriss | yeah some userspace driver. or so yes.. |
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| _Chris_ | Under prestigio I don't find anything. |
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| _Chris_ | I really love old machines. They are build with love most of the time. |
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| pitriss | I dont care anymore as I have better things to do than fixing sd card reader on machine with unsupported radeon:D |
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| _Chris_ | And
it's so sad, mesa kicked out all this nice support for old chipsets.
This machine for example uses some SIS chipset for graphics. It gives
you decent direct rendering for TDE, but you have to find out how to
make DRI module for it to work and compile again. |
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| pitriss | when there would be driver for graphics, then it would be worth spending my time into it and buying new battery for it.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Unsupported radeon? |
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| pitriss | yeah.. that xorg one have really shitty performance |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I am highly for a project to maintain all this DRI1 graphic chips. But
nobody want to do something like that, me neither... |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: What radeon? I found out, that also really, really old radeons are supported now with KMS! |
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| pitriss | for some low quality movies its enough but nothing more.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: I have some mobility, radeon 7000 base. One of the first and it is working. |
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| pitriss | ill look tomorrow as now im ready to sleep:) |
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| _Chris_ | No problem, I wish you a good sleep! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You meant most likely a "presario" compaq (HP bought them up). |
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| pitriss | Its label says Prestigio Nobile 158W |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, thanks. |
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| pitriss | under that label is another one sazingnotebook computer M37EW |
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| pitriss | model m3ew |
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| pitriss | *saying notebook computer |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.czc.cz/prestigio-nobile-158_3/30389/produkt |
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| pitriss | so they were selling these machines under different names in different regions |
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| _Chris_ | It's radeon 9700 mobility, that works, with KMS too! |
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| _Chris_ | The base will be the same. |
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| _Chris_ | So state of the art radeon driver. |
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| _Chris_ | But we will see, I hold you up from sleeping :-) |
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| pitriss | so i should try new kernel |
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| _Chris_ | Right! |
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| pitriss | as wheezy backport one is 3.16 |
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| _Chris_ | You will get also proper 3D - I know you don't need it, but will make TDE more responsive. |
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| pitriss | so quite old one |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, try something around 4.3 or so. |
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| pitriss | maybe i should migrate that machine to devuan jessie or better stretch |
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| _Chris_ | My R600 radeon was working right only around 4.x.x |
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| _Chris_ | The older chipsets they supported later more proper. |
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| _Chris_ | I would give devuan a try! Also for testing TDE with it. |
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| _Chris_ | Or.... try Gentoo. :-), but the compiling will make you crazy. |
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| _Chris_ | 2x512 DDR1 SO-DIMM RAM, if you have some in spare. |
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| _Chris_ | And that thing will run for not so hard tasks. |
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| _Chris_ | But youtube with HTML5 will not work good, but with your script for SMPlayer it should work good. |
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| pitriss | compiling on that cpu no ty:D I know many better ways how to satisfy my inner masochism:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: You could use distcc, than your server-worksation compiles all offshored. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I am using Gentoo also on this P3 1Ghz and 1GB Ram VAIO machine above,
native compiling only takes 2 days or so, but updating is not as hard,
just some packages which compile fast. Gentoo is rolling release. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean installing, first compile, from 0. |
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| pitriss | yeah i read basics of gentoo.. |
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| pitriss | but tbh if i would love some compiled system, then i would prefer LFS.. just for that fun:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, but I think that is more work. In Gentoo more is working
automaticly than most people think. But Devuan would be a nice try for
that machine, without systemd. |
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| pitriss | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel i can try this first someday:) |
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| pitriss | and when it crashes system, then do reinstall |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, sounds good. I don't know anymore much about Debian based systems sadly. Any kernel around 4.x.x should be okay. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: And recent xorg + mesa! |
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| _Chris_ | You need up to date xf86-video-radeon DDX to use recent radeon kernel module. |
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| SlavekB | In Jessie-backports and Stretch is kernel 4.9.x. |
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| _Chris_ | That should be enough :-) |
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| pitriss | then standard devuan should be enough:) no need to do stretch as i dont like unstable branch:) |
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| pitriss | but still ill try to do that in wheezy.. when I find some time:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: You have wheezy on that machine already? |
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| pitriss | yep:) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, that thing should be updated first anyway. You can do some lspci for the cardreader than :-P |
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| pitriss | I know that mixing branches in debian is satan evil and ill go to hell for that.. but ill try that anyway:D |
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| pitriss | but now i have different priority.. as I got new job, i need to learn ZFS first |
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| _Chris_ | ZFS, interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | I can't try that ACPI params at now, the little machine is compiling llvm now, since 4 hours. |
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| pitriss | yeah it is.. still cant imagine to use it at desktop:D |
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| pitriss | i'm quite happy with ext3 |
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| _Chris_ | You can report here :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
I am using ext4 here. Some machines are still using ext3, I can't feel
any difference, but ext4 has some nice encryption things to play with. I
will try that with my little netbook/laptop with fingerprinter and TPM
chip which is the next I want to make fit for TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I read PAM should support fingerprinter login in TDM, but I just
will not get any visual feedback, is that right SlavekB? |
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| pitriss | encrypted disk.. mm never used that.. |
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| pitriss | As i dont have any real laptop to carry with myself:) |
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| pitriss | it was possible back in the days of KDE3.5 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
No, just encrypt some folders, that's the addition of ext4. You can
encrypt the whole disk, but that sucks on performance. |
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| pitriss | Froend had this done on T61p i guess |
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| pitriss | *Friend |
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| _Chris_ | Sounds wonderfull. |
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| pitriss | Even sudo can be acrivated by finger print |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I want to do that more because of interest. On this machine was windows
XP before and the TPM chip with fingerprinter and encryption worked in
combination very nice. You could encrypt the disk or specific files, a
folder for example and the TPM chip was used for the encryption in
combination with fingerprinter, if someone steals the HDD, he can't
decrypt, because the TPM chip was only in this specfic laptop. Maybe
that |
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| _Chris_ | sounds wrong, I still have to find out how it works exactly without magic of Windows hiding the facts. |
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| _Chris_ | I want to have something like that working in TDE. |
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| pitriss | i think that chip just scrambles data by some key hidden in that chip |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, but TPM does more, it's worth a read. I know that this chips are
also in critic. But I just have this thing laying around, to be exact
two of that. So I want to use it. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: You can store some keys in that chip also. |
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| pitriss | ah ok |
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| _Chris_ | TPM module. |
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| _Chris_ | Just search for it. |
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| _Chris_ | Some of them also support hardware encryption. |
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| pitriss | running to bed.. night |
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| _Chris_ | Night pitriss. |
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No progress with that "no poweroff" problem. With ACPI=off. there is no
difference, so it can't be connected to ACPI, right? |
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| pitriss-work | hi guys.. i have trouble starting trinity on my workstation.. It doesnt start.. in .xsession-errors is: |
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| pitriss-work | [starttde] Trinity hardware control dbus daemon running. |
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| pitriss-work | [tdeinit] Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory |
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| pitriss-work | [tdeinit] DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. |
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| pitriss-work | any
idea what I can check/try to get it work? it was working when i turn
off this pc last time.. now it didnt started.. system is Debian Wheezy
64bit |
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| pitriss-work | kde4 session will start from TDM.. so no idea whats wrong |
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| SlavekB | pitriss-work: this strikes me as a problem libr0 × binutils. |
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| SlavekB | But I do not suppose that one of them was recently updated. |
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| pitriss-work | SlavekB: i'm using the same distro/tde version at home and this just dont happen there.. |
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| pitriss-work | it
happened once before, i removed trinity, reinstalled it back and it
started.. now i tried only apt-get install --reinstall all trinity
packages but didnt helped.. |
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| SlavekB | you can try to cleanup temporary files and cache in /tmp/tde* and /var/tmp/tde* |
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| pitriss-work | ok im going to try it.. |
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| pitriss-work | ok
nope.. doesnt work.. i removed all these files but didnt work.. ill try
to paste you whole .xsession-errors but i think rest of errors are only
because that dcop thingy failed |
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| pitriss-work | SlavekB: https://pastebin.com/ccLYJsLu |
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| SlavekB | you can also try to temporarily rename the existing '.trinity profile |
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| SlavekB | [starttde] TDEDIR: /opt/trinity |
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| SlavekB | [starttde] TDEDIRS: |
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| SlavekB | Segmentation fault |
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| SlavekB | [starttde] Starting Trinity... |
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| pitriss-work | i tried that before, didnt started either.. so I suppose its not caused by some weird config.. |
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| SlavekB | kgtk-qt3 package is removed / purged? |
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| SlavekB | kgtk-qt3-trinity |
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| pitriss-work | ill look |
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| pitriss-work | installed, ill try to remove it |
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| pitriss-work | going to try again.. brb |
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| pitriss-work | SlavekB: its working... tyvm.. |
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| SlavekB | Well yeah, kgtk-qt3 is "popular" source of problems :) |
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| pitriss-work | hehe.. its maybe because it tries to connect black and white and not become gray:D |
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| pitriss | __Chris: hi.. so here is my xorg.conf for radeon dualhead https://pastebin.com/2MVfU0C7 |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Oh, let me look. I am a bit busy atm. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: i set that paste as not expiring so you should have enough time:) |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Okay, wonderfull :-) |
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| pitriss | __Chris: but maybe it could be copied to trinity wiki as some draft for others.. idk |
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| pitriss | as many ppl was fighting with that.. |
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| pitriss | ehh i have typo there it should be rightof monitor1 |
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| pitriss | damn:D |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Looks good and yes, wiki would be a good idea, for people having problems with dual screen. |
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| AlexLikeRock | hi |
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| AlexLikeRock | DAY SAVING TIME . not have applemet |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people I'm trying to set the resolution for the hdmi port (which is different from the latop screen). |
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| Borg^Queen | Does anyone have any experience with this? |
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| pitriss | you can use xrandr, you can use xorg.conf you can use xorg.conf snippets..:) |
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| pitriss | xrandr is easiest, xorg.conf is persistent.. |
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| Borg^Queen | I've tried xrandr, but it says can't open display. |
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| Borg^Queen | I can use a bash script with rand if I can get it goes. It's only for occasional use. |
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| pitriss | in case of proprietary nvidia drivers, nvidia-settings allows to set it too |
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| Borg^Queen | no nvidia |
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| Borg^Queen | intel, but let me check, not my lappy |
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| pitriss | xrandr --output hdmi --mode 1280x1024 //something like that.. replace hdmi and resolution by values from xrandr -q |
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| pitriss | i was fighting with it too.. you can also try that trinitys xrandr tray thingy.. |
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| pitriss | quite nice gui |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, tried that too, will affect, lappy display |
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| pitriss | but on radeon it was much more complicated.. as anything on radeon |
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| Borg^Queen | ok with rand I get "cannot find mode 1440x900" |
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| Borg^Queen | so that's an improvement |
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| pitriss | when
you do "identify displays" via that tray thingy it should show
different identification on each screen otherwise your system thinks
about both screens as about one single.. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok hang on |
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| Borg^Queen | ooh ok thanks I think I'm onto something. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok I'm on rand global settings |
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| pitriss | hehe I'm only guessing.. for me on my desktop its install & forget.. Hadnt troubles with it for ages |
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| Borg^Queen | well, normall no, but this is a toshiba |
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| Borg^Queen | OOOOh okay! think I got something |
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| pitriss | great if you have some progress |
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| Borg^Queen | it does 1440x900 for the hdmi |
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| Borg^Queen | oh well, out of time. |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you so much for the input |
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| * Strangelv wonders if there's a repository somewhere with Debian Stretch packages for libreoffice-trinity |
| SlavekB | Strangelv: not yet - one of the reasons is bug 2448 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2448 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , LibreOffice 4.4.x or newer (jessie-backports) with TDE integration |
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| Strangelv | Noted. Thank you |
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| * Strangelv was not
planning to be back to using Debian after 12 years, but was having two
unresolvable problems trying to reinstall Ubuntu |
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| Jeanne_ | hello people, it's BorgQueen on a friend's laptop. I need help with wireless scanning. Anyone familiar? |
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| Jeanne_ | hp aio btw |
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| pitriss | Jeanne_: idk if i'm familiar as it was working with wicd out of box |
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| Jeanne_ | wicd is of networks. You can setup a wireless, ahhhhh ok checking... |
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| Jeanne_ | Well it sees it but I need to find the password |
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| Jeanne_ | brb |
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| Jeanne_ | ok direct doesn't work |
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| Jeanne_ | I can print wirelessly though and I know the device's ip |
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| AlexLikeRock_ | yes |
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| AlexLikeRock_ | install CUPS |
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| Jeanne_ | installed already |
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| Jeanne_ | I can print wirelessly, but not scan |
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| Jeanne_ | when I enter xsane SANE-192.168.1.8:9100 I can an invalid argument |
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| mirda | Jeanne_: https://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork |
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| Jeanne_ | yes was reading it |
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| Jeanne_ | thanks |
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| Jeanne_ | hmm I don't have a ddl.conf |
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| mirda | yw |
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| mirda | port 9100 is only for printing on HP printers |
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| Jeanne_ | aye, I wonder why it's not seeing the scanner |
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| Jeanne_ | I also don't have a dll.conf file |
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| Jeanne_ | ok must go, bbl |
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| mirda | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SANE/Scanner-specific_problems |
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| denk | hello, guys, I use OpenIndiana as a desktop and I want to port tde to it |
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| denk | now I created some oi-userland components and it can be installed via a local repo |
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| denk | I'd like to share the patches if you have some interest on it |
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| Chris|Laptop | Welcome denk. That sounds wonderfull. Please wait a bit for some TDE DEV like SlavekB or kb9vqf, maybe they can help you. :-) |
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| denk | some screenshots are here: http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/tde/ |
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| Chris|Laptop | denk: That's sun some force of opensolaris, right? |
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| denk | yep, OI is a system that is based on illumos |
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| denk | a community fork of opensolaris |
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| Chris|Laptop | denk: Right. I have read some time ago about it. |
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| Chris|Laptop | denk: That looks very good :-) |
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| Chris|Laptop | denk: I found your smile ;-) :-P |
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| SlavekB | denk: You can open bug report and attach patches to this bug report. Or you can send patches directly to me. |
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| denk | SlavekB: some patches are solaris specific |
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| SlavekB | I suppose it will be possible to use ifdefs for these? |
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| denk | I've done it where it is possible |
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| denk | I hope it will compile on other platform |
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| denk | just a moment, I will pack all patches... |
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| denk | SlavekB: http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/tde/tde-oi-userland.tar.bz2 |
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| denk | this is userland components with patches |
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| SlavekB | downloaded |
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| SlavekB | denk: wow, this is really a large number of patches! Thank you |
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| denk | and to you too! :) |
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| denk | some patches are really specific, for example, we don't use la-files in production systems |
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| SlavekB | If
I understand correctly libtool documentation, the use of 'la' files is
on the wane. Probably such a patch could be incorporated. |
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| denk | yes, it is |
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| SlavekB | denk: I believe that your work could be included in tde-packaging GIT repository - folder solaris or sunos or something else. |
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| denk | thanks :) |
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| denk | and don't remove it :) |
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| SlavekB | some patches could be left as a 'distribution specific', some gradually incorporated into the main tree. |
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| denk | it could be nice to detect host system, our ld has specific options, like -zallextract instead of -whole-archive |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I noticed this i your patch. |
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| denk | also, sockets in sunos is a separated library |
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| SlavekB | May be used: if( ${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES "SunOS" )... |
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| denk | maybe, I did not test it |
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| SlavekB | or: if( ${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES "(Solaris|SunOS)" ) |
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| denk | in some time I can add more specific solutions, like kstat, zfs, ... |
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| denk | btw, kuser has zfs support |
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| denk | for user's homedir |
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| SlavekB | denk: Incidentally, the patches are the result of your work and I can in commits mention you as the author? |
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| denk | one more, I have some plans to integrate IPS pkg into kpackage, but not now |
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| denk | SlavekB: as you wish |
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| SlavekB | denk: for MASTER_SITE is suitable mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org |
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| denk | thanks, updated |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| SlavekB | In tdelibs: |
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| SlavekB | COMPONENT_CLASSIFICATION= Desktop (GNOME)/Libraries |
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| SlavekB | GNOME ;) |
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| denk | yep, they have not added tde |
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| denk | until I finish it, I think |
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| SlavekB | aha - it was necessary to fit into predefined categories? |
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| denk | yeah |
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| SlavekB | ok, I understand. |
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| denk | that all copied from oracle userland |
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| SlavekB | I think for now will be a good location tde-packaging in r14.0.x branch. What do you think? |
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| SlavekB | And folder called 'sunos'? |
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| SlavekB | see http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/?h=r14.0.x |
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| denk | can we talk tomorrow? I am already at home and my brain does not work anymore today :) |
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| denk | after patching kuser with zfs |
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| SlavekB | ok, I have some change proposal :) |
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| denk | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.maketecheasier.com/ubuntu-abandoning-unity/
never worked well and now it's over. They have understood, that a PC is
a PC and no tablet. Back to the Linux Desktop one step further again,
or back :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
common in ubuntu world.. upstart, then systemd, no way to gnomes hell
so unit,my now gnomes hell again:D, no way they will use wayland, so
spent years developing mir, so now they are back at xorg..:D |
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| pitriss | *unity |
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| pitriss | really sane and stable decisions..:) |
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| _Chris_ | I like xorg.... |
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| _Chris_ | :-( |
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| _Chris_ | And I hope there will be devs for it a long time, because with xorg a lot of popular WMs are in danger. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| a-865 | !seen Goga |
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| tbottu | a-865: I have not seen Goga. |
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| Chris|Laptop | SlavekB:
Nice, with the latest KSSL commits, the before not working pages are
working fine it Konqueror. I think that was related to TLS then. |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | Small changes, big benefits :) |
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| Chris|Laptop | The
page I suffered most of this was ubuntuusers.de for me. Interestingly
this page is a good example, how well you can do still webpages. This
page is 99% if not 100% properly displayed and working well, because it
don't overuse all kind of JS bloat. |
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| Chris|Laptop | SlavekB: Right, like so often, someone has to find the culprit before. :-) |
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| Chris|Laptop | At
least for me personally, that change is a big plus for using Konqueror
standalone. Before for some pages I had to fire up PaleMoon to view
this. |
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| denk | SlavekB: don't include my tree as OI packages until they upstream it |
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| SlavekB | denk: my suggestion for change: |
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| SlavekB | In CMakeList you use: |
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| SlavekB | set( CMAKE_REQUIRED_LIBRARIES socket nsl ) |
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| SlavekB | ... |
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| SlavekB | set( CMAKE_REQUIRED_LIBRARIES ) |
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| SlavekB | better should be: |
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| SlavekB | tde_save_and_set( CMAKE_REQUIRED_LIBRARIES socket nsl ) |
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| SlavekB | ... |
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| SlavekB | tde_restore( CMAKE_REQUIRED_LIBRARIES ) |
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| denk | I will change it, thanks |
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| SlavekB | Chris|Laptop: I also use Konqueror as my primary browser, and if the page has problem in Konqueror, I use PaleMoon. |
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| denk | SlavekB: https://paste.ec/paste/s9hinE6j#Q9LNjrgCmM+NECkdBUbRkiALDO6lN+t7spbQLVkhd2Q |
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| denk | it should be fixed, otherwise it is UB |
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| denk | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdenetwork/tree/kopete/protocols/meanwhile/meanwhilesession.cpp?h=r14.0.x#n223 here |
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| SlavekB | I'll look at it later - now I have to prepare to go to work :) |
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| Chris|Laptop | Anyone knows if there is KIO/TDEIO support for MTP devices in TDE? I think something like this was existing for KDE3. |
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| Chris|Laptop | MTP = Recent smartphones, also some MP3 players are using this. |
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| Chris|Laptop | This is for KDE4 for example: https://cgit.kde.org/kio-mtp.git |
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| Chris|Laptop | SlavekB:
Nice. You are a good example than for standing for your own product.
This is much less mature than expected. The BSD devs for example, the
majority of them are working on BSD, not they are NOT using it. No joke,
I have read about that fact several times already :-) |
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| denk | SlavekB: forget what I said, it my fault, wrong build env... |
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| Chris|Laptop | *but not using it. |
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| __Chris | Ubuntu
is dying, just nobody checks it. Ubuntu started to die when changing
corporate identity, dropping their old logo and brown color. That's
nothing you should do, it was Ubuntu's soul. The change to Gnome3 comes
also in time. Their concept of using alphabetical names is going to the
end with zesty, so all fit's in. Just something which came to my mind at
the moment. |
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| denk | has somebody replied to him? http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::15251 |
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| denk | you can send him the patch: |
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| denk | -USES+=fmake |
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| denk | +.if ${USES:Mgmake} |
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| denk | +USES:=${USES:S/gmake//g} |
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| denk | +.endif |
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| _Chris_ | Happy Easter @Trinity_People :-) |
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| mandala-la | Hello. The unstable record for debian does not work, you only need to use sid. Mirror from the page https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds Is this the only problem with this mirror? Or is the error global? If so everywhere, then this is a bug. |
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| SlavekB | mandala-la:
for all versions are used only code names like 'wheezy', 'stretch',...
so even for unstable is only used 'sid' and not a symbolic name
'unstable' |
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| mandala-la | So
it's specially done? It's just that Debian traditionally uses both
codenames, and an indication of the release class. Many people use the
release class. It would be very convenient if it was supported. About
the indication of a bug, I certainly got excited. |
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| pitriss | hi guys.. any idea how I can force TDM to enable numlock?:) |
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| MutantTurkey | hmmm |
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| MutantTurkey | not sure |
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| MutantTurkey | pitriss: let me look into that |
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| MutantTurkey | could throw this in your startup xinitrcc |
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| MutantTurkey | /usr/bin/numlockx on |
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| MutantTurkey | could add that to your Xsetup file |
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| MutantTurkey | should be like /opt/trinnity/share/config/tdm/Xsetup or something |
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| pitriss | ah ill look there.. But anyway it can be option in kcontrol somewhere as "boot up numlock" option from BIOS is resetted by TDM |
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| pitriss | MutantTurkey: you mean /etc/trinity/tdm/Xsetup ? |
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| pitriss | so when I add there numlock on it should work? (i see its app, just didnt knew where to add it) |
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| MutantTurkey | that might work |
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| MutantTurkey | not sure xactly the location |
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| MutantTurkey | numlockx yeah id the tool |
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| MutantTurkey | is the tool |
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| pitriss | MutantTurkey: tyvm it looks like working:) |
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| MutantTurkey | ok fantastic |
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| pitriss | I expected something like tdm.d/ wich will run any .sh files from it.. but shouldnt be hard to code |
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| pitriss | could be more self explaining as its common in linux enviroment |
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| Chris_ | Some
sidebar-tab in Konqueror "media devices" or something like that would
be a nice addon. I know you can select "system" and than switch to media
devices too, but it's just some click more. Just an idea :-) |
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| Chris_ | I added one for myself, but would be nice to add something like that by default maybe. |
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| * Strangelv tries to remember how to bug Tbottu about bugs. He's looking for the one about being in /opt |
| Strangelv | tbottu opt |
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| tbottu | Strangelv: Error: "opt" is not a valid command. |
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| SlavekB | please information about bug 2696 :) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2696 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.0.5 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| Strangelv | tbottu help |
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| tbottu | Strangelv:
(help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a
useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only
necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| Strangelv | tbottu bug opt |
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| tbottu | Strangelv: 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=opt could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId |
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| Strangelv | Oh, hello |
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| SlavekB | When you say the bug number, tbottu answers. |
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| Strangelv | Any capability for funding bug numbers with it? |
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| SlavekB | But it has not worked for some time to inform tbottu about new bugs and changes. |
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| Strangelv | Noted. |
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| Strangelv | The meta bug list. That's an impressively short list of bugs |
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| Strangelv | Or is that a showstopper list? |
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| SlavekB | Said metabug is a list that is intended to be resolved for R14.0.5. |
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| SlavekB | You can use a search on bugzilla to find other bug reports. |
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| * Strangelv finds his way to http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/query.cgi |
| * Strangelv is falling asleep too rapidly to think of any useful questions at the moment. |
| Strangelv | "Thank you for everything |
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| __Chris | Is TDE running fine if compiled with GCC 5? |
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| SlavekB | GCC 5 is used on some Ubuntu distributions - for example 16.04 (Xenial). |
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| __Chris | Okay,
I just have this bad thoughts on GCC 5, because from 4.9 they switched
to this "new" release cycle, like firefox. Some people claimed that
since then GCC went over the trail more and more, because more bugs and
so on are introduced. Any experience of that? |
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| _Chris|Laptop | SlavekB:
Does TDE build with new C++11 ABI? Because seems Gentoo switched
globaly to it with GCC 5 and I get a lot of undefined reference errors
while compiling tdelibs for example. |
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| SlavekB | TDE is successfuly build also with GCC6. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Yes, but with the new C++11 ABI or is this switched off with build flags? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, with the new C++11. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Wow, nice, that's good to hear :-) |
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| SlavekB | Have you recompiled arts? |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Than I have to recompile my system fully with GCC 5 from ground up it seems. I was knowing that GCC 5 brings a bit of trouble. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | SlavekB:
Right, I got undefined reference to arts... failures with tdelibs. I
just tried to recompile arts then, but the result was that arts failed
to build with undefined references too. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | SlavekB: I will try that again on my workstation. I recompiled tqt, that worked with GCC 5. |
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| SlavekB | I suspect that arts may require rebuild glib. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | SlavekB:
Right, that I am doing normaly with my full rebuild after switching to
new GCC release, but this time.... You might be right :-) |
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| _Chris|Laptop | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_from_gcc-4.x_to_gcc-5.x |
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| __Chris | pitriss: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15505 |
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| AlexLikeRock | mozilla are lose case abut comunity :-( |
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| pitriss | __Chris: But.. They still can fork gecko and maintain it:) |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Yes, I hope so. But Now SM and PM are in the same boat. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: not really.. SM is using standard gecko, PM isnt.. so one side will need to accept second side.. |
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| pitriss | eg PM drop that goana experiment.. otherwise it will be not viable solution |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Standard gecko isn't anymore in some months anyway :( |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
yeah but its still possible to find commit where it started to change
and do fork there and backport most useful and security changes |
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| pitriss | just to be prepared for end of year |
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| pitriss | worse case is whole addons database.. |
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| pitriss | if they delete them, there will be no point of using PM or SM..:) |
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| __Chris | pitriss:
Therefore PM is working on phoebus, the PM addon database. Not really
the same, but some starting point. I don't know which changes are made
to goanny (gecko fork), but most website problems are more related to
different UA. Because of this most site change to some quirk mode. I
don't think that PM people are really changin the way some tags are
interpreted and such. Maybe you have investigated more into that, I
don't know. |
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| mirda | __Chris: pitriss: good idea is to save xpi files of all extensions you need and use and backup them to safe place |
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| __Chris | mirda: Back to pre-2000 :-) |
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| __Chris | mirda: But right. |
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| mirda | yeah.. deleting the database is pointless for us but keeping it is pointless for PM devs |
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| Space_Man | about 6 hours ago I donated some money to tde using paypal and I didn't have any problems |
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| Borg^Queen | anyone familair with pure-ftpd? I can't log into the computer. Just says "could not connect to host.." |
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| Borg^Queen | pure-ftpd seems to start fine |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: arts is failing because some undefined symbol related to mcop it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, seems to be cxx11 related. I will try things. |
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| _Chris_ | CMakeFiles/artskde-shared.dir/kdatarequest_impl.cpp.o:(.data.rel.ro._ZTCN4Arts17KDataRequest_implE48_NS_17KDataRequest_skelE[_ZTVN4Arts17KDataRequest_implE]+0x12c):
undefined reference to `virtual thunk to
Arts::Object_skel::_queryEnum(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char,
std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >
const&)' |
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| _Chris_ | If I rebuild tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | But if I try to rebuild arts, it fails because of mcop... |
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| _Chris_ | I rebuild glibc already, GCC 5.4 two times (one time with old GGC, second time with GCC 5.4). |
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| SlavekB | and glib? |
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| _Chris_ | Is glib not related to GTK? |
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| _Chris_ | I just rebuild glibc. |
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| _Chris_ | I will try it anyway. |
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| SlavekB | in arts are used glib-threads. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| SlavekB | also TQt can use glib-mainloop. |
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| _Chris_ | TQt recompiled already without glib recompile. But maybe therefoe you write "can" :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Recompiling glib, TQt afterwards, than arts and tdelibs. |
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| SlavekB | It depends on whether you have -glibmainloop in the configure options for TQt |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I will inspect that. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, I have seen it while compiling arts, it checks for glib. |
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| _Chris_ | Same problem. |
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| _Chris_ | ../mcopidl/mcopidl:
symbol lookup error: ../mcopidl/mcopidl: undefined symbol:
_ZN4Arts13EnumComponentC1ERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEElRKSt6vectorIS6_SaIS6_EE |
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| _Chris_ | For arts. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: I tried rebuild arts on Debian Stretch (GCC 6.3) and was successful. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
it might be some other problem. Normaly Gentoo says you should
recompile the half of the system, all what is linked against libstdc++6.
I don't wanted to do that, just recompile TDE at least until I have
more time. Seems there is something deeper involved. |
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| pitriss | hi guys.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: :-) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
i wanted to ask.. is possible to add into special settings for
apps/window on which screen it should open? it could be handy on
dualhead:) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is possible to se Specific Window Behaviour. |
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| pitriss | i mean i miss there setting for specific screen.. as there is setting for desktops:) |
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| SlavekB | It
is possible that you can not determine the number of the screen, but
you should be able to enter the position so that the window will be on
the next screen. |
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| pitriss | ah ok. |
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| TomTheDragon | SlavekB:
is TDE software capable of handling a system without aRTS at all? most
OS/Distro combinations don't really need such a sound daemon anymore
(alsa dmix, pulseaudio, OSS4, etc) |
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| SlavekB | TomTheDragon: There are a few things that require arts. |
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| _Chris_ | Recompiling my whole system with GCC 5.4 now, so after this I can report. |
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| pitriss | Hi guys.. does anybody know how to use aliases/scripts in kopete? I wasnt able to find any how to..:( |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: there are 5 tdm-trinity files on my Stretch filesystem. Which to rename to tdm? |
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| SlavekB | 1) insserv -r tdm-trinity |
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| SlavekB | 2) mv /etc/init.d/tdm-trinity /etc/init.d/tdm |
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| SlavekB | 3) insserv tdm |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thx! details on mailing list. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: does a bug need to be filed on bugs.pearsoncomputing.net ? |
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| Chris__ | I
can't update 11 packages of trinity with GCC 5.4. I recompiled
binutils-2.27 now. I found out, that these packages are not finding
DPMS, PAM etc. and in syslog I noticed these "as segfaults" again. You
may remind you on that problem SlavekB. I had this with binutils-2.25
before, but update to 2.27 solved these segfaults with GCC 4.9.4. Now
with GCC 5.4 they are back again. I recompiled ALL C++11 related
packages now, but arts fails |
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| Chris__ | to build still with reference to new C++11 ABI. Strange. So far my report. |
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| Chris__ | Verified
on mutiple machines, like last time. I not tested AMD64 machines. But I
am sure, this will not have these problems, like last time.... |
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| Lydia_K | o/ |
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| Lydia_K | So, anyone in the channel right now who happens to be someone who worked on building the debian packages? |
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| pitriss | Lydia_K: Slavek is dev who builds deb packages AFAIR |
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| Lydia_K | Cool, thank you |
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| pitriss | yw.. and kb9 is Tim.. leader of whole project..:) |
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| Lydia_K | I'm looking to build packages for devuan so I figured I'd talk to whoever build the debian packages. |
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| pitriss | hehe no need to ask then.. |
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| pitriss | debian packages works great for devuan too.. Exegnu linked on trinity site is devuan with trinity live cd |
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| pitriss | And
i also tried to install trinity on pure devuan and it was without
problem.. not tested but i guess it just works as nobody complained
about exegnu |
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| Lydia_K | Oh
I'm sure they do as devuan jessie is build to be compatible with debian
jessie, but I figured I'd get those packages and modify them as needed,
and get them into the proper devuan repos. |
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| Lydia_K | *built |
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| Lydia_K | that'll also making it easier going foward into devuan ascii. |
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| pitriss | ahh.. so you want to create and maintain devuan trinity packages.. Just higlight Slavek and he will answer you.:) |
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| Lydia_K | bingo :) |
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| Lydia_K | SlavekB: When you have a chance PM me, I'd like to talk about getting native trinity packages into the devuan repos. |
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| SlavekB | Lydia_K:
I'm back. At present, we have packaging files ready to be used with
Debian from Squeeze to SID and with Ubuntu from Lucid to Artful. |
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| SlavekB | Is something that would be needed specifically for Devuan? |
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| Lydia_K | SlavekB:
TDE doesn't have any systemd dependencies so for jessie the only real
change I can think of would be including and setting the devuan TDE
theme to the default theme. |
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| Lydia_K | We've had users request TDE to be included in Devuan :) |
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| Lydia_K | Also
it'll be more important going forward into ascii and other future
releases as we diverge from debian more and more, then there will likely
start to be differences and it'll be good to have the packages already
in our workflow to get them built and tested quickly when you guys put
out updates. |
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| SlavekB | I saw the Devuan theme from Nik and we plan to add it to Trinity packages. |
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| Lydia_K | Awesome! |
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| SlavekB | We
strive to strictly stick to the independence on the systemd. The only
communication with systemd is via dbus only - if systemd is available. |
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| Lydia_K | Beautiful, I'm glad to hear that. |
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| Lydia_K | SlavekB:
You don't happen to have a source tree that includes all of your debian
directories for the different components do you? |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/squeeze |
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| Lydia_K | Awesome, thank you! |
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| SlavekB | For now all packaging files are identical for all Debian versions - from Squeeze to Stretch (SID). |
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| Lydia_K | That makes sense. |
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| SlavekB | for current stable Trinity branch you can switch to r14.0.x branch in git. |
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| Lydia_K | That was my plan :) |
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| Cybermax | hello |
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| Cybermax | I would really like to ask for the version of TDE for FreeBSD. |
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| SlavekB | It's still work in progress... see ports in tde-packaging git repository: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/freebsd?h=r14.0.x |
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| SlavekB | Lydia_K:
Yesterday I prepared a pbuilder base image for Devuan Ascii and tested
with Trinity preliminary stable builds repository for Debian Stretch -
there seems to be no conflict between the packages. |
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| Lydia_K | \o/ |
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| Lydia_K | That's awesome! |
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| SlavekB | However,
I'm afraid if you're interested in moving files from /opt/trinity to
/usr/... - there are many files that would cause conflicts. |
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| Lydia_K | Oh? I have not gotten too far into it yet, what packages are you running into conflicts with? |
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| SlavekB | Many
binaries and applications have original names == may conflict with KDE4
binaries and applications. For example: konqueror, amarok,... |
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| Lydia_K | Ahhh, of course, conflicting with kde, duh. |
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| Lydia_K | hrmm.. I'll have to look into that and talk to the other devs to see how we want to handle that. |
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| Lydia_K | I'd rather not have it in /opt |
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| Lydia_K | I'd prefer /usr/local at least, if we have to. Even then, it just doesn't feel right. |
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| SlavekB | Renaming all binaries and applications would require a lot of effort and we have few developers. |
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| Lydia_K | Oh I wouldn't ask you to do that. |
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| Lydia_K | that would be crazy |
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| pitriss | i prefer /opt than /usr/local.. for me /usr/local is place for roots stuff |
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| Lydia_K | I'm
not sure what standards we are going to want to try and stick with,
perhaps a /usr/bin/tde/ or /usr/tde/bin ? both of those also feel
terribly ugly :/ |
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| SlavekB | Yes, /usr/tde/* probably violate FHS, and /usr/bin/tde looks odd. |
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| pitriss | even /usr/share/trinity is weird.. still /opt wins.. but yeah.. /opt is meant for not distrib packages |
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| pitriss | s/packages/apps/ |
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| SlavekB | By the way, for me also looks better /opt/trinity than /usr/local/... |
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| Lydia_K | Yeah, I'm not sure what the call will be at the end of the day, I don't like any of the options. |
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| pitriss | theres one huge downside on /usr/local.. its often target for self compiled stuff and can get really messy easily sometimes |
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| pitriss | especially if ppl don't mind doing make install.. |
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| SlavekB | Exactly /usr/local is for the manual work of the administrator. |
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| pitriss | one scifi option: kick kde4 from devuan LOL.. |
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| SlavekB | There is no discussion that the ideal would be renaming, but that's too demanding :( |
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| Lydia_K | haha, just letting kde3 conflict with kde4 is an option |
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| Lydia_K | Not the best option, but it's an option. |
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| SlavekB | There
were suggestions that, for example, applications could be renamed only
by adding the prefix 'tde-' - for example tde-amarok. |
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| Lydia_K | I've seen other projects do stuff like that |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: yeah.. i thought about compile time suffix for executables.. but its no go still as there would be also lib conflicts |
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| Lydia_K | huge mountain of work though. |
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| Lydia_K | It seems to be a lot more accepted to have /usr/lib/whatever/libstuff.so though. |
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| Lydia_K | I see that a lot. |
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| SlavekB | In any case renaming is a great deal of work with little visible result - just a lot of angry users :) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: agree.. |
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| Lydia_K | LOL, yeah, I am not suggesting that you guys do that. |
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| SlavekB | Though, we are aware that this is a prerequisite for us to be accepted by distributions. |
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| SlavekB | That's why we'll be glad if we can find a compromise for Devuan. |
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| Lydia_K | :) |
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| Lydia_K | We'll figure something out |
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| Lydia_K | I'm just super distracted by work right now, so I'm not exactly pouring over the problem at the moment. |
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| avalon_ | thank you all, guys |
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| avalon_ | you are doing great job |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
Just for information. I talked with you about the reproducing of the
kicker menu bug, if you cross the searchfield and the menupoint at the
same time, right? I think I can reproduce this with context menus on the
desktop too. Maybe it's some bug of the menu/selection code. I will
research this more maybe. |
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| Chris__ | I
still can't compile arts with GCC 5.3 -> ../mcopidl/mcopidl: symbol
lookup error: ../mcopidl/mcopidl: undefined symbol:
_ZN4Arts13EnumComponentC1ERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEElRKSt6vectorIS6_SaIS6_EE |
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| Space_Man2 | 3.5.13.2 |
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| Space_Man | what should I update a pc running 3.5.13.2 to? |
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| Space_Man | it's also running ubuntu maverick |
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| Space_Man | my plan is to update ubuntu to trusty as its a long term version |
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| Space_Man | looks like tde 14.0.4 is the only version available for trusty https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall#For_Trusty_.28Ubuntu_14.04_LTS.29 |
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| SlavekB | Space_Man2: 3.5.13.x branch is currently available only up to Ubuntu Raring. |
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| Space_Man | maybe I should update to 12.04 precise |
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| SlavekB | yes, 12.04 is LTS. |
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| Space_Man | it will be easier |
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| Space_Man | fewer things changing |
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| Space_Man | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall#For_Precise_.28Ubuntu_12.04_LTS.29 |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | I'd have a question, please |
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| SemiNus | even though I love trinity desktop, I use the KDE4 version of gwenview |
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| SemiNus | I usually started it using the command /usr/bin/gwenview |
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| SemiNus | this way, I got the KDE4 version rather than the KDE3 version of Gwenview |
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| SemiNus | to make things easier, I created a file with the content: |
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| SemiNus | /usr/bin/gwenview $1 |
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| SemiNus | and saved it as /usr/local/bin/gwenview |
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| SemiNus | this works from the shell |
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| SemiNus | but not from the ALT+F2 krunner |
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| SemiNus | what can I do? |
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| pitriss | modify entry in kmenu? |
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| SemiNus | krunner correlated with the kmenu? |
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| pitriss | or create new desktop file somewhere in ~/.local |
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| pitriss | IIRC its based on *.desktop file |
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| SemiNus | interesting |
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| SemiNus | I edited the kmenu entry |
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| SemiNus | then I ran ALT+F2 "gwenview" |
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| pitriss | and kmenu change IMO do new desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/ |
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| SemiNus | and KDE4's gwenview started |
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| SemiNus | thank you pitriss ! |
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| SemiNus | question: |
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| SemiNus | are there any signs that show, if the development of trinity desktop is to be continued? |
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| SemiNus | because I love it a lot |
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| pitriss | slavek here is living proof of developement:) |
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| pitriss | and yw:) |
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| SemiNus | yep, but as it seems, there are only 2 people developing |
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| SemiNus | Slavek and Tim |
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| SlavekB | ...and Michele |
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| SemiNus | oh, nice! |
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| SemiNus | what kind of donations would help the project? |
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| SemiNus | do also smaller amounts help? |
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| SlavekB | ...unfortunately we are all very busy in recent weeks. |
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| pitriss | yeah unfortunatelly not much developers here.. but on other hand.. at least they are involved |
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| SlavekB | Every donation is welcome! |
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| SemiNus | nice |
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| SemiNus | thank you! |
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| SemiNus | what are the names of the developers in this channel? |
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| SemiNus | I only know SlavekB - what are the nick names of Tim and Michele? |
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| SlavekB | Michele is seldom here - nick MicheleC |
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| pitriss | tim is kv9.. (no need to highlight him:) |
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| SemiNus | I see |
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| SemiNus | thx :) |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly
I'm not in position to do donations so I try support this project by
trying to advice here:) And reporting bugs..:) |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: on stretch, apt upgrade while in multi-user.target starts TDM as upgrade completes. Is that to be expected? A bug? |
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| SlavekB | This is a consequence of the postinst script for package tdm-trinity => the runtime level is not verified, tdm always runs. |
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| SlavekB | Lydia_K: I added brief information to the Wiki - https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DevuanInstall |
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| pragomer | hi, can I download the good old crystal icons for kde5 somewhere? |
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| SlavekB | Icons for crystalsvg theme are inside package tdelibs-data-trinity - see source http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/tree/pics |
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| pragomer | is there a complete "theme" about that (not only single icons) that I just could copy to /usr/share/icons/ ? |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | I installed tde on my archlinux... |
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| sacarde | I installed knemo too, but I dont view the little icon on bar |
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| sacarde | I set network-monitoring in control-panel |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| Lydia_K | SlavekB:
That's awesome :) Sorry to say I've had almost no time work on
packaging TDE natively as of late, but I will get around to it soon I
hope. |
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| SlavekB | Lydia_K:
In the information about Preliminiary Stable Builds repository are
mentioned all current Devuan versions - Jessie, Ascii and also Ceres. |
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| Lydia_K | Wonderful :) |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | how can I set konqueror(filemanager) to view all tabs in the same mode of view (list detailed) ? |
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| pitriss | uhh i cant tell.. I'm using krusader as file manager.. but maybe chris will know.. |
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| __Chris | Actually
my Konqueror is crashing because I have strong problems with GCC5.x,
but you can try to save as a new profile: Change to list detailed and
save it with settings -> save profile (filemanager). Maybe it helps
sacarde. I am busy at the moment. |
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| __Chris | New tabs (or new Konqueror windows should start with list detailed view than). |
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| sacarde | OK, it seems to work... thanks |
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| sacarde | do you suggest me some background for konqueror-filemanager ? |
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| __Chris | Hm, I don't know. I am using the default one. :-) |
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| __Chris | Maybe some people here have some. I think pitriss had some dragon background for Konversation, maybe you can use that. |
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| pitriss | yeah I'm using semitransparent dragon on yakuake.. konversation had issues with transparency at my setting:D |
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| pitriss | sacarde:
but just do any blackand white (really 2 colors only) image you like
and then make it transparent.. number of percent is up to you..:)
simple:) |
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| Cybermax | Hello everyone. I am newbie. I really like TDE. I had some questions on setting up the start menu. |
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| Cybermax | I use this on ubuntu 16 |
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| Cybermax | I
customize the start menu to my liking. The question is how to remove
the "actions" and "all applications" menu items? |
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| Cybermax | It's just the inscriptions in the menu are not clickable |
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| Cybermax | Does anyone understand what I'm talking about? |
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| Cybermax | someone? |
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| _Chris_ | Cybermax: You mean in the start menu? |
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| _Chris_ | Where you have "Office" and so on? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay. I got it. You mean the captions. |
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| Cybermax | Yes exactly |
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| _Chris_ | Good question.... |
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| Cybermax | I would have made a screenshot, but I do not know how to do it in Ubuntu |
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| _Chris_ | KSnapshot is your friend :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Trinity-version of course :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But I know exactly what you mean. |
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| Cybermax | my version R14.04.4 |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I tried to remove the entries for "actions" in hope to remove it, but the run-dialog is also not de-selectable. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I think the package for KSnapshot you have to search will be
"ksnapshot-trinity" or "trinity-ksnapshot" or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't think the version is important to this "problem". |
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| Cybermax | There is a Linux distribution - q4os. It uses TDE. There the menu does not contain these captions. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe there are some config files where you can edit that. Maybe SlavekB know's about hat. |
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| Cybermax | How can I contact him? |
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| Cybermax | Does TED have a forum? Write a message on the forum, attaching a screenshot would be more convenient, I think. |
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| Cybermax | TDE* |
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| _Chris_ | I found that from searching: http://forums.justlinux.com/showthread.php?126711-KDE-Remove-options-from-K-menu |
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| _Chris_ | But I don't think it helps you, but just for reference. |
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| _Chris_ | Cybermax: He will answer if he has time, he is some TDE dev and is in this channel to. Just idle here some time. |
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| Cybermax | Sounds great |
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| _Chris_ | TDE
is having some mailinglists. Take a look at the website. Otherwise IRC
channel was the right place to ask, just wait a bit. People here are
very friendly and helpfull. Just sometimes AFK. |
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| _Chris_ | I have to go AFK now too for some time :-) |
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| Cybermax | Yes, I understand. |
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| Cybermax | As
I said, there is a distribution based on Debian using TDE, in which the
start menu is configured as I want to do. I ran it into the virtual
box. If I only knew which configuration file to look at, I would
customize it myself. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=q4os |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, Q4os. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe they changed the source code or it is like I said, that you have somewhere some config files where you can change this. |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/tree/kicker/kicker/ui/k_mnu.cpp#n284 |
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| _Chris_ | I think they edited this source code file. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, wait. |
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| _Chris_ | There has to be some option for showing menu titles.... But I can't find it. |
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| SlavekB | You can add ShowMenuTitles=false in ~/.trinity/share/config/kickerrc into section [menus] |
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| _Chris_ | Ah very good, that was for what I was hoping for :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is there any UI option to change that which I have overseen? |
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| SlavekB | I guess there is no gui option for this. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, hope that helps Cybermax than. That would be some thing which could be added :-) |
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| pitriss | I wish there would be some part of wiki where common people can share these things.. |
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| pitriss | as
I miss documentation how to do scripts in kopete for example.. I know
its possible but after not using that for years i sucessfully forgot how
to do it:) |
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| SlavekB | Here might be a good place :) |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Tips_And_Tricks |
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| _Chris_ | I wanted to register me for wiki for months... but, I don't know. Yes, right. |
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| pitriss | it can go big:D |
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| _Chris_ | ^^ |
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| _Chris_ | That's
something I like about TDE. It's like the first windows days, you can
find some options and settings if you change some config files and so
on. Like windows registry. |
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| _Chris_ | Also
that you can change the order of backends for arts decoding in some
config files, so that it skips xine-lib decoding and uses libmad
directly was only possible with this knowledge. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net' //just fyi..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Cybermax: Please give some feedback if it worked :-) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: you can replace ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: i already have that in my repo.. I just had this in sources as redundancy |
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| SlavekB | I think I know where the problem is. |
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| SlavekB | Instead of quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net is now nice and simple quickbuild.io. |
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| SlavekB | ...but the DNSSEC signature has expired. |
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| pitriss | i
just deleted these lines from my sources.list:) but I'm glad that my
report helped to figure out theres minor problem somewhere |
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| SlavekB | see |
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| SlavekB | https://dnscheck.labs.nic.cz/?time=1495878759&id=144991&view=basic&test=standard |
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| pitriss | btw
Cybermax i was checking .kickerrc if theres any options related to your
problem but nope.. so you will need to search source code if theres
any.. but it could be possible (i didnt studied source too much, only
that part, Chris linked) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: SlavekB found it already out, see above :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: There is some setting you can add to kickerrc file, but it just had no UI option for checking it. |
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| pitriss | ahh i missed that one line.. oops.. sorry:D |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| pitriss | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Tips_And_Tricks //so I started guys.. lets make it grow;) |
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| * _Chris_ takes a glance. |
| _Chris_ | Nice pitriss :-) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: I made a little refinement :) |
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| pitriss | hehe
I'm a bit confused from that mediawiki syntax.. I didn't used it for
ages:D I'm using more often dokuwiki and standard markdown. But I will
get used to it |
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| Cybermax | SlavekB
I added this line to kickerrc. It helped, the menu titles are no longer
displayed. Thank you. I think in the next version of THEN, you can add a
checkbox, with this option. |
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| Cybermax | TDE* |
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| pitriss | Cybermax: theres not enough space for every handy checkbox we would find nice :D |
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| pitriss | but anyway, its on wiki now..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Why not? There is place in the dialog, directly under the "show tooltip" checkbox for example :-) |
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| Cybermax | Okay, I understand. |
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| Cybermax | Can I ask another question? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: i was talking in general:D |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: in this case yes.. but i can imagine next 50 handy checkboxes all around TDE in no time |
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| pitriss | of course Cybermax |
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| Cybermax | I
do not know how to formulate it correctly. Can I add a blue vertical
bar with the name of the operating system to the left of the start menu. |
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| Cybermax | Why do I ask, because in q4oc so done |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, you mean where it shows "Trinity"? |
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| pitriss | you can but you need some kind of "hack" eg debian alternatives to point to different file:) |
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| _Chris_ | I think that is theme specific? |
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| Cybermax | I guess that maybe there is also a configuration file option. Or is it necessary to edit the source code? |
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| pitriss | i saw somewhere set of these bars.. somewhere on kde-look back in the time |
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| Cybermax | I see |
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| pitriss | Cybermax: i saw it changed by debian alternatives system.:) |
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| Cybermax | hm.. I need to look |
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| pitriss | its IMO best way as you don't overwrite original file.. you just provide path for replacement file in debian standard way.. |
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| pitriss | but yeah, for you, replacing correct file can do the trick:) |
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| pitriss | Sorry I cant tell you more as I have it disabled.. It made my menu bigger so i disabled it:) |
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| pitriss | I used debian swirl as kmenu button icon instead:) |
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| Cybermax | I found a screenshot of how I want it. But there is not a word about how to do it. In any case, thanks. You helped me a lot. https://linuxmoderate.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/kde.jpg |
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| pitriss | Cybermax: please hows called that picture you want to replace? Did you found it? |
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| Cybermax | No, I did not find a way to do it. |
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| Cybermax | I found a screenshot here https://linuxmoderate.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/a-fast-kde-system-for-old-computers/ |
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| pitriss | wait sec.. it should be really easy in debian..:) |
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| pitriss | need to find that file first |
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| pitriss | but you want distro specific picture there? |
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| Cybermax | The inscription is not important to me. I'm satisfied with an blank blue vertical line to the left of the menu. |
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| SlavekB | You mean /opt/trinity/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png ? |
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| Cybermax | Yes! |
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| pitriss | i just found it too:D |
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| Cybermax | This is what I need! |
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| Cybermax | Any idea how to turn this on? |
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| pitriss | This bar is in config |
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| pitriss | theres checkbox something like "show side picture" in setting of kmenu |
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| Cybermax | Sounds logical. But I do not know how to turn it on. |
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| Cybermax | I'll check it out now. |
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| pitriss | sorry I don't use english language on my system.. |
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| Cybermax | I see |
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| pitriss | kicker => setup panel => menu => there are 3 checkboxes on the right.. middle one for me |
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| Cybermax | I found and checked the checkbox "show side image". But it does not work for any reason. |
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| pitriss | did you restarted kicker? ( dcop kicker kicker restart ) |
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| Cybermax | I do not understand, please reformulate. How exactly does it restart? |
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| _Chris_ | It's some terminal command. |
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| Cybermax | How can I restart it? If I pre-start the PC it will help? |
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| _Chris_ | You can simply reboot too, yes ^^ |
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| pitriss | but open terminal and retype that in ( ) |
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| pitriss | its faster |
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| Cybermax | I removed the check in the checkbox, restarted the PC, put a check in the checkbox, and restarted. Did not help. |
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| pitriss | weird |
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| Cybermax | yep |
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| Cybermax | I downloaded the distribution from the site and did not install TDE manually |
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| pitriss | does file /opt/trinity/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png exists? |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
question.. why this kside.png isnt loaded from
~/.trinity/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png when present? do I need to
rebuild sycoca or so? |
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| pitriss | I expect to user preference have bigger priority so kmenu should look there too.. |
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| pitriss | this image must be cached somewhere:/ |
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| SlavekB | The file in ~/.trinity/share/apps/kicker/pics should be used. |
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| pitriss | ..and i don't want to restart my rig at the moment:D |
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| SlavekB | By the way, you can set options SidePixmapName and SideTileName according to your own wishes :) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: weird.. |
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| pitriss | where? as system vars or somewhere in conf? |
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| SlavekB | in kickerrc, section KMenu |
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| pitriss | so tile is some "pattern" and pixmap is single picture? |
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| pitriss | by pattern i mean something that will be repeated.. |
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| SlavekB | pixmap is replacement for kside.png |
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| SlavekB | tile is replacement for kside-tile.png |
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| SlavekB | yes, pattern repeating above pixmap to top edge of menu. |
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| pitriss | i dont have kside-tile in my system apparently.. |
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| Cybermax | pitriss Yes, this file exists. |
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| SlavekB | /opt/trinity/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside_tile.png |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ahh so thats maybe made my pic darker..:) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: so maybe my ~/.trinity/share/apps/kicker/pics wasnt used because tile file was missing? |
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| Cybermax | In this picture it is written - Trinity Desktop Environment |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: No, it should not be essential. |
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| pitriss | oops mea culpa.. I did typo in name.. but ok Ill give it a try:) |
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| pitriss | now i tripple checked and it slapped me in the face:D |
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| Cybermax | Maybe I need to manually configure some configuration file to display kside.png? |
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| pitriss | http://chytrex.wjake.com/crap/kside/
//i have these files in home.. without any settings it take it from my
home dir as it should but why is result darker (see screenshot) |
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| pitriss | (only think i needed was to restart kicker via dcop |
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| pitriss | *thing |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: any idea? |
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| Cybermax | Now I use English. Is it possible to install the localization? |
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| pitriss | yeah it is.. what language you want to use? |
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| SlavekB | aptitude instal tde-i18n-ru-trinity |
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| Cybermax | How did you know that ru? : D |
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| SlavekB | From IRC informations about user :) |
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| Cybermax | AH yes, excellent. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
ok so most def theres some "filter" or another overlay used on that
kside / kside_tile applied.. as I used image with background color of my
system and it looks way too different:) |
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| Cybermax | The
terminal writes that the aptitude is not installed. I am writing in the
terminal sudo apt-get install aptitude, but The control directory could
not be locked (/ var / lib / dpkg /) |
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| SlavekB | apt-get install tde-i18n-ru-trinity |
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| pitriss | use sudo maybe? |
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| SlavekB | or: apt-get install --no-install-recommends aptitude |
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| SlavekB | ;) |
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| pitriss | weird |
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| pitriss | i'm confused..:D |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: Yes, the picture is affected by the background color. |
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| pitriss | i thought aptitude is installed even in minimal installs |
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| SlavekB | On Jessies is aptitude not installed by default :( |
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| pitriss | *facepalm* |
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| SlavekB | therefore this is the first package, that I install... |
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| pitriss | sigh where are you heading to, Debian?? |
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| pitriss | time to fix bsd fork of trinity i guess:D |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: is possible to display "raw" picture there? http://chytrex.wjake.com/crap/kside/km-screenshot1.png //this is how it looks when I used picture with background of my system |
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| pitriss | I need to run anyway.. Ill try to figure out if / how to sum this on wiki later:) |
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| pitriss | see you guys and thank you SlavekB |
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| Cybermax | The terminal writes that aptitude installed. I have no ideas. |
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| Cybermax | It was nice to meet you. Good luck |
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| Cybermax | Localization is established, now I need to restart the PC? |
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| SlavekB | Restart is not needed, sufficient is logout / logon. |
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| Cybermax | nice |
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| Cybermax | I really like DTE, but it's a pity that the start menu sidebar image does not work. |
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| Cybermax | In any case, I am glad that he received useful advice. I have to go. Good luck |
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| _Chris_ | Try it further, I am sure it will work at some point. Maybe you simply miss something. |
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| _Chris_ | You can join any time :-) Bye. |
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| Cybermax | Hello |
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| Cybermax | I installed a clean Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I try to install TDE, I do everything as described in the wiki. |
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| Cybermax | When
I enter, "sudo aptitude update sudo aptitude install
kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I get it
"Sudo: aptitude: command not found" |
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| Cybermax | I do not understand what I'm doing wrong. |
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| Cybermax | Have any ideas on this? |
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| Cybermax | I found a solution in Google myself. |
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| SlavekB | It seem, that aptitude is not installed by default on Ubuntu 16.04. |
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| SlavekB | Try: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends aptitude |
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| Cybermax | I installed it. "sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install aptitude" |
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| Cybermax | Maybe. Would it be possible to add these commands to the Wikipedia article as a footnote? |
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| Cybermax_ | I can not install it. I do not know why. I do everything as written on the wiki. |
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| pitriss | Maybe
we should use plain apt-get in wiki articles to prevent confusion. I
never had any issues with apt-get.. even when I have disabled
autoinstall of recommended and suggested packages |
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| Cybermax_ | I
installed Mate for a few wines using this. "sudo apt-add-repository
ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/ppa sudo apt-add-repository
ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/trusty-mate # далее: sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade" |
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| Cybermax_ | I mean, for a beginner, it's not very clear how to install. Needed to sneak step step guide |
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| Cybermax_ | necessary* |
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| Cybermax_ | For myself, I made a guide. It is right? |
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| Cybermax_ | sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install aptitude sudo apt-add-repository http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu sudo apt-add-repository http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu sudo apt-add-repository http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/ubuntu sudo apt-add-repository http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r1 |
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| Cybermax_ | The whole text did not fit |
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| Cybermax_ | Please check my setup algorithm. There must be mistakes there, because I am a lamer :D https://jpst.it/-g3e |
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| Cybermax_ | I think I found a solution. A good proverb is better to see once than hear a hundred times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cevLmFFoPi8 |
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| Cybermax | Hello |
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| Cybermax | I have a question, how can I change menu items in the trinity classic menu manually? |
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| Cybermax | I would like to move up or down some items |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, seems cybermax searched for tde-menu-editor. |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly its hard to reply him when he doesnt stay here for a while |
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| _Chris_ | Was what came to my mind too. |
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| _Chris_ | We will tell him next time :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely he had fixed kicker, this way you don't see the menu edit option. |
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| pitriss | yeah, most likely.. but its enough to right click any menu entry and select edit.. it will launch that app too |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Still searching for the GCC 5.4 + arts problem solution. Neither glib
nor glibc nor any other thing arts depend on. Clueless. |
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| _Chris_ | I
am testing now to compile it with a whole new Gentoo-machine. Will
report if this works. If so, it's simply something I have to recompile,
which I have overseen. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
New Gentoo system with GCC 5.4 is working fine to compile arts. So it's
some deeper problem. Seems I have overseen some package. |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | what do you suggest me to start vnc connection with a linux-tde system (it starts tdm.service) to remote login |
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| Chris_ | sacarde: What do you mean exactly? You want to run a VNC server on your remote machine with TDE? |
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| Chris_ | For VNC I use tigerVNC. |
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| Chris_ | Or search for XVNC. |
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| Chris_ | http://www.hep.phy.cam.ac.uk/vnc_docs/xvnc.html |
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| sacarde | I would like connect to remote with vnc, before start the X session (only tde) |
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| Chris_ | sacarde: Try out tigerVNC. |
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| sacarde | I have to enable/start tigervnc.service, no? |
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| Chris_ | Right. |
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| sacarde | ok |
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| sacarde | I try |
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| Chris_ | It's a system service, I don't know about systemd, but I think that's right. |
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| Chris_ | On the client you can connect to your remote with tigerVNC too. with vncviewer (included with tigerVNC). |
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| Chris_ | sacarde:
Oh, maybe TDE has some GUI-Client for VNC too. Just search in
applications, I mean I can remember me on something like that. |
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| Chris_ | sacarde:
Krdc: "Remote desktop connection. A client application to view or
control the desktop session on another machine running a compatible
(VNC) server." |
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| Chris_ | sacarde:
Krfb: "Desktop sharing server application to share a current session
with a user on another machine, who can use a VNC client to view or
control the desktop." Seems to be a server, but just for the actual
session it seems. |
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| Chris_ | But if you want to test this, beware to install the trinity versions :-) |
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| sacarde | is there a trinity version? |
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| SlavekB | sacarde: krdc and krfb are part of tdenetwork |
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| sacarde | ah, |
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| sacarde | ok |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Is there any reason scm.trinitydesktop.org is so slow? I can't sync the sources. |
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| Chris_ | Slow is not the problem. I get several disconnects. |
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| SlavekB | I've been watching problems since Saturday night. But I do not know the reasons. |
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| SlavekB | If you need to read from the git repository, you can use http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/ |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Thank you, I will try. |
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| kb9vqf | Chris_
Our external network provider has been experiencing signifiant issues
over the past couple of weeks. Unfortunately we don't really
have control over this area; they are having serious equiment problems
and we're looking to switch providers ASAP at this point |
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| kb9vqf | it's really to the point where they don't seem technically competent enough to provide service |
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| kb9vqf | I do apologize for the issues in the interim |
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| Chris_ | kb9vqf: Ah, I see. No problem. I can understand. It worked now with the last sync. |
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| kb9vqf | good
to hear. our service provider appears to have temporarily
resolved the issues but I expect them to reappear soon, so enjoy the
connection while it's here... ;-) |
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| Chris_ | Oh, so better sync the i18n packages now.... Thanks for the information :-) |
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| denk | hello, guys, I need your help to fix one very evil "bug" |
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| denk | if I do kill -11 $$ in xterm/urxvt/konsole/... the X session coses down |
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| denk | closes |
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| denk | I see that all children processes got sigterm |
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| denk | as I guess it is a problem in dcopserver, but I'm not sure |
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| pitriss | denk: hi.. I'm on debian wheezy, stable trinity build, in yakuake this command shut down bash only |
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| pitriss | in konsole, it closes konsole.. |
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| pitriss | so i guess your bug can be somewhere else than in trinity |
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| pitriss | I just can't reproduce it.. tried yakuake, konsole, uxterm, xterm...:) |
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| pitriss | hi SlavekB denk is reporting some "bug" but I can't reproduce it.. can you look into backlog?:) |
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| denk | pitriss: I use OI (based on illumos) |
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| denk | but it's not OI related problem |
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| pitriss | its "solaris" fork or something? |
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| denk | opensolaris |
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| pitriss | On debian oldstable i cannot reproduce it.. can be really distro specific thing.. |
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| denk | this is the only problem why I have not pushed it into oi-userland |
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| pitriss | my trinity version is R14.0.4 |
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| denk | the same version |
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| denk | ok, thanks anyway |
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| pitriss | denk: ahh.. ok.. talk with Slavek, he is main coder for trinity.. I'm just user:) |
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| denk | pitriss: thanks, you got me an idea to test that all in xterm session, you are not so bad rubber duck :) |
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| pitriss | denk: hehe I'm glad I was able to "help" somehow:D |
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| denk | ok,
the problem has found, if tdm started manually, everything is ok, but
if it started from SMF... tdm will be killed by the svc.startd |
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| denk | YES! I fixed it! thanks for the help :) |
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| pitriss | denk: I'm glad you fixed it:)) So you will be maintainer for your distros packages?:) |
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| denk | probably |
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| mutantturkey | o/ |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Looks like we've lost LibreOffice support permanently: http://anzwix.com/a/LibreOffice/Remove%20TDE%20Integration%20(vclplug,%20Address%20Book,%20C |
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| SlavekB | :( |
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| kb9vqf | We're probably going to need to convert TDE into some kind of shell on top of GTK3 in the long run |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I've scheduled a community meeting here for this Saturday to discuss future direction |
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| kb9vqf | I have a general vision for what to do with TDE but will need a few devs to help make it happen |
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| SlavekB | Michele will also need to be involved - it makes it a little more complicated to find the right time. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Sure. If I need to move the time I can |
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| mutantturkey | kb9vqf: hello |
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| mutantturkey | I just saw your email |
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| kb9vqf | mutantturkey: Hi there! |
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| mutantturkey | long time no see :-) |
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| kb9vqf | yep :) |
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| mutantturkey | so gtk3? |
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| kb9vqf | it's been crazy here |
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| kb9vqf | yeah, that is my general idea |
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| mutantturkey | in terms of? |
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| mutantturkey | crazy as in? |
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| kb9vqf | I did some initial work to see if GTK3 was powerful enough to replace the existing Qt3 native X11 drawing |
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| mutantturkey | and what of wayland etc? |
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| kb9vqf | crazy as in my life has left no time for TDE for too long |
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| pitriss | gtk3 :/ eww.. |
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| kb9vqf | well, as it stands right now if we stay with X11 only TDE will continue to wither and die |
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| kb9vqf | my general idea is to replace the X11 drawing in Qt3 now with GTK canvas drawing |
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| kb9vqf | so from an application perspective, nothing changes |
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| kb9vqf | it's mainly a bunch of work in the low level Qt3 code |
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| mutantturkey | so basically replace x11 drawing commands with gtk commands |
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| mutantturkey | seems reasonable |
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| kb9vqf | roughly, yes |
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| mutantturkey | whats the benefit of gtk drawnig commends versus |
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| kb9vqf | GTK gets us Wayland support, or at least 80% of it |
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| mutantturkey | something like SDL? |
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| kb9vqf | also the idea would be to polish up something like the existing TDE theme engine for GTK |
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| pitriss | my internal association i my brain is GTK = Shitty looking, space hungry apps.. |
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| pitriss | and i doubt about speed of that thing too:) |
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| mutantturkey | kb9vqf: what about a portable lower level drawing than GTK |
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| mutantturkey | like SDL |
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| kb9vqf | ptriss: it doesn't have to be that way -- we're not using the higher levels of GTK3, just the canvas drawing / widget mangement |
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| mutantturkey | that way it abstracts out the real drawing and depnds on sdl to do the integration and support for us |
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| kb9vqf | IIRC SDL is far less portable? |
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| mutantturkey | ? |
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| pitriss | kb9vqf: i see.. but its still HUGE monster ... |
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| mutantturkey | it's already cross platform |
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| mutantturkey | and has a big enough use base that they port |
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| kb9vqf | there was some reason why I didn't think SDL was a good idea |
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| mutantturkey | and allows us to maybe be x11 / wayland / whatevers next independent |
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| pitriss | mutantturkey: yes I like SDL/SDL2 idea..:) |
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| kb9vqf | OK, how does this help us with our worsening third party application integration? |
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| mutantturkey | nope |
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| kb9vqf | you do realize that we need to "look" like either KDE or Gnome to a third party app like LibreOffice |
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| kb9vqf | going to SDL is not going to help that at all |
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| mutantturkey | sorry, I tangented into thinking about wayland. |
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| pitriss | kb9vqf: on other hand.. GTW have power to worse lightweightness of whole DE.. |
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| kb9vqf | Qt3 already has basic glib integration |
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| pitriss | *GTK |
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| kb9vqf | when
I looked into it GTK was the best way forward; just steer clear of the
higher level stuff. Qt4+ on the other hand was a heavyweight
monster |
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| mutantturkey | GTK is relatively sane from my usage of it. |
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| mutantturkey | but it does smack C++ on top of C using some funkey business |
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| mutantturkey | it works though |
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| kb9vqf | yeah, GTK just suffers from a relatively poor higher level toolkit -- which we're not using at all |
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| kb9vqf | all I'm interested in is the event loops and the canvas stuff |
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| mutantturkey | sorry,
i have a presentation in 50 minutes I need to prepare some reports.
Tim, I would like to discuss this further and I won't be able
to attend the meeting saturday. ill you be on later today? |
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| kb9vqf | hmmm, maybe the meeting is at a bad time :) |
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| kb9vqf | suggest another over the weekend? |
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| mutantturkey | I am just highly busy. I think it would work well for othre people |
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| kb9vqf | anyway what I want to see out of something this major is better integration with third party apps |
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| mutantturkey | need to throw a new steering rack and strut in my sisters car so... yeah |
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| kb9vqf | sure |
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| mutantturkey | kb9vqf: how about some long term goals? i would like to get back into developing now my job is not developing |
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| mutantturkey | spent the last 3 years as a code monkey and it ruined all fun for me |
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| pitriss | Ok
I prefer to stop interferring your discussion..:) I'm not developer..
From my PoV i dont like dependency on kilometer long train
loaded by shit for one wagon of nice stuff.. But I really cant see under
hood..:) |
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| kb9vqf | pitriss: well, we already have that -- we depend on X11, which offers a bunch of legacy cruft |
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| kb9vqf | GTK at least has a sane-ish modular design |
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| kb9vqf | so we don't have to pull the entire thing in |
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| kb9vqf | anything that cuts performance is going to be a non-starter though |
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| mutantturkey | kb9vqf: then again. Xwayland solves that problem |
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| kb9vqf | I only bring this up because I've worked with it and it seemed to be OK |
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| mutantturkey | right |
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| mutantturkey | how owuld this help us reintegrate with loffice? |
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| kb9vqf | mutantturkey:
long term I want to see us cut dependence on X11
entirely. The third party app situation is going to keep
getting worse and likely we'll be relegated to lousy UIs because we're
not compatible with either KDE or Gnome |
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| kb9vqf | it helps in that we "look" like Gnome, as in a first class GTK citizen, to LO |
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| mutantturkey | not sure... |
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| kb9vqf | so
all we need to do is change around some of the existing GTK integration
in LO to fit the TDE design goals, slap a --tde flag on it, and go |
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| mutantturkey | oh |
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| mutantturkey | still seems like they dropped us due to userbase not due to integration isuses |
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| kb9vqf | the commit message was fairly clear it was amount of code vs. benefit |
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| kb9vqf | so some small UI changes vs. a ton of legacy code is quite different |
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| mutantturkey | yea |
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| kb9vqf | we
can't fix every third party application's UI, but LO is a big
one. The amount of code needed to stay integrated with TDE
was a problem |
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| mutantturkey | ok gotta focus! |
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| kb9vqf | sure |
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| kb9vqf | anyway,
this is NOT something I can do on my own. I think we'd need
several devs working on it otherwise it's a non-starter |
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| kb9vqf | I tried multiple times on my own; just not enough time |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I can get your attention for the bug 2748? |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2748 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, PATCHAVAIL , Tdenetworkmanager shows no wireless networks on TDE14/Debian_Stretch |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: The name of the interface is also not exactly stable; Linux likes to change the nodes randomly |
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| kb9vqf | that was why MAC was chosen before |
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| SlavekB | but not during session |
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| kb9vqf | right. does anything get messed up regarding saved connections if the device node changes? |
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| kb9vqf | (with your patch)? |
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| SlavekB | I assume that when the name of the interface changes, the name of the node in udev is changed. |
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| kb9vqf | I'm thinking you can go ahead and merge; just watch out for any breakage |
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| SlavekB | Information for saved connections is still by mac. |
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| kb9vqf | OK |
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| kb9vqf | nice work BTW :) |
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| kb9vqf | network-manager is just a bit of a pain |
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| SlavekB | I'm interested in applying the patch also to the r14.0.x branch. |
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| SlavekB | I'm
aware that the patch is causing an API / ABI change, but as I
mentioned, only the tdenetworkmanager is affected. From my point of
view, it seems like a good price to be able to support the current
versions of distributions with the current stable branch R14.0.x. |
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| kb9vqf | makes sense |
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| kb9vqf | that's fine. we'll just need to rebuild tdenetworkmanager |
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| SlavekB | Exactly - there is also a small patch for the tdenetworkmanager that will cause rebuild. |
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| SlavekB | Ok, thanks for the consultation, I will push the patches soon. |
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| kb9vqf | np |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | do you know In what package can i find the files: /etc/trinity/...tdm... ? |
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| sacarde | and other tdm configurations |
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| pitriss | tdm-trinity? |
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| pitriss | sacarde: ^ |
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| sacarde | pitriss, whare can I download sources of tdm-trinity? |
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| Chris_ | sacarde: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/tree/tdm |
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| sacarde | but is in tdebase? |
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| Chris_ | Yes. |
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| sacarde | and sources of tdm-trinity ? |
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| Chris_ | That is the source of it :-) |
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| Chris_ | It's in tdebase git. |
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| Chris_ | Part of it, as I know. |
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| Chris_ | You mean the source code? |
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| sacarde | yes |
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| sacarde | where can I found file that are in /etc/trinity/....... ? |
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| sacarde | in source tree |
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| Chris_ | Good question, might be generated from some source file. |
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| Chris_ | I might be wrong. I don't have so much time actually. Saw your question and wanted to help quickly :-) |
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| sacarde | in ubuntu I have that package: tdm-trinity |
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| sacarde | in archlinux I found binary tdm in tdebase, but there is not tdm package |
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| Chris_ | For what you need the file? |
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| sacarde | for remote access configuration (XDMC) |
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| Chris_ | Ah okay, you don't have that file? |
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| Chris_ | Should be installed normaly. |
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| sacarde | in /etc I dont have dir trinity |
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| sacarde | may be a problem generating arch package |
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| Chris_ | Is it installed with a prefix in arch? /usr/trinity/* ? |
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| Chris_ | I took a look at my installation in Gentoo and I don't have that file too. |
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| sacarde | ah |
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| Chris_ | Neither in the prefixed path, nor in the /etc/* path. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Do you have some TDM specific files in your /etc/* or prefixed paths? |
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| sacarde | in tdebase in arch I fopund: /opt/trinity/share/apps/tdm |
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| sacarde | and /opt/trinity/bin/.... |
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| sacarde | but nothing in /etc |
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| Chris_ | The first I have too. |
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| Chris_ | Just copy the file to the right direction and look if it works. |
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| sacarde | eh, I try |
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| Chris_ | Maybe it's like xorg.conf. Without it, it will use defaults. Maybe SlavekB can help? |
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| sacarde | in ubuntu I have these files: http://sacarde.altervista.org/np/lista-tdm-trinity |
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| Chris_ | Maybe take a look to the package files for debian/ubuntu? |
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| Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/ |
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| Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/ubuntu/maverick/tdebase/debian/tdm-trinity.conf |
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| Chris_ | This for example? |
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| sacarde | ok |
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| Chris_ | Maybe they are simply added from the packaging scripts. |
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| sacarde | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/ubuntu/maverick/tdebase/debian/tdm-trinity.install |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Seems that you can get ride of apulse in near future. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: yes i read about dropping support of skype 4 for linux..:) |
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| __Chris | pitriss:
I don't got it fully until now. Just had this news item from Gentoo
devs, that they are going to remove the ebuild from portage. |
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| pitriss | tbh
I don'ŧ care.. i just do some spamming oif my friends, and send them my
jabber account and mail address.. Not going to use that webshit |
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| __Chris | pitriss: So you will have to use some webservice in near future for skype? |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Me too, I want to get ride of that propritary pile of dust. |
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| pitriss | MS got nutz completely.. abuse http for such purpose. |
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| pitriss | No, I will stop using that proprietal crap |
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| pitriss | this thing just need to have app.. Webapp for thing like skype is insanity.. |
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| __Chris | I just read some news. Seems that the new "skype for linux" is simply skype 5 for linux. So seems a bit confusing. |
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| pitriss | BTW not mentioning that webapp make espionage of ms even worse.. as you can't even debug/affect/disassemble their app |
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| pitriss | so NOPE for me.. |
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| pitriss | and btw they also dropped i386 builds |
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| __Chris | Oh, good to know. |
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| pitriss | One guy complained on czech linux server forum |
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| __Chris | They used mono (NET) for their "linux" version it seems. |
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| __Chris | Skype 4.3. |
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| pitriss | i will consider using some gate like skypeweb.. but i don't think i will invest much time in it.. to make it work |
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| __Chris | I had several problems with every skype version basing on QT4. |
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| __Chris | Seems it's time to leave skype. |
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| pitriss | i had no problems with qt4 versions.. except sound levels setting |
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| pitriss | as skype fucked whole setting in my mixer |
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| __Chris | The whole design was clunky for me. |
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| pitriss | many times.. |
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| __Chris | Right, the mixer problems I had too. |
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| __Chris | I loved the Skype 2.x versions. Solid QT3 base :-) |
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| pitriss | yeaa.. |
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| pitriss | not
mentioning that skype4 looks like crap on my system.. I forced somehow
qt4/GTK2 look simillar by qtcurve and it crashes only sometimes while
logging out |
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| __Chris | Just wanted to ping you and let you know in case you wasn't aware of. Was surprised. |
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| __Chris | Exactly what I did. |
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| __Chris | That is what I was going to describe above. |
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| pitriss | qt5 is ok as it have ability to copy GTK2 settings |
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| pitriss | (tested on jessie with retext app from repos) |
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| __Chris | I
really don't like qt5. It's whole different beast, at least it feels
so. All this animation crap. Maybe I just used bad example applications. |
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| __Chris | But seems QT4 is going to be deprecated too from what I have read. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: i dont like it too as theres nothing lightweight on it.. |
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| pitriss | and eg LXQT DE is just ridiculous project |
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| pitriss | lightweight look and based on such heavy crap like QT5 is |
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| __Chris | And I share your opinion about GTK3. But I also underand that TDE needs some new rendering backend. |
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| __Chris | *understand |
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| __Chris | It's
a very difficult time. Wayland, systemd, Redhat, Lennard, they are all
infecting us. Maybe I am getting old. Seems so. Firefox is getting ride
of gecko, pushing rust, Libre kicks out TDE support :-( |
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| __Chris | It's worth a longer chat in next days I think. |
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| pitriss | yeah hard times.. |
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| pitriss | I understand too that we need some improvement to work under wayland but.. |
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| __Chris | I don't have any problem with X. |
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| pitriss | GTK was huge shitty looking for ages.. hard to change oppinion |
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| __Chris | Maybe
some option to build GTK3 rendering optional would be an option for
people depending on X or want to use original TQT3 rendering. |
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| * pitriss too |
| __Chris | GTK2 was not bad, I had a good time with it. |
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| pitriss | will cause way more mess in TDE code I guess as this part of code is essential for whole project |
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| __Chris | GTK3 is C, TQT3 C++. |
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| pitriss | hehe only GTK apps i used really often was firefox and audacious back in the days |
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| __Chris | There
is the question, WHAT is about TDE. Is it simply preserving the old
work and code, making it better. Or is it the design, or is it the fact
that you can make it fit much more to your liking (options)? |
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| pitriss | uadacious with winamp skin was nice..:D |
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| __Chris | You can give TDE some modern flat design, making it more appealing for new user, but wasn't that KDE5? |
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| __Chris | Right, audacious, me too. |
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| pitriss | I understand Tim as preserving means slow death..:) |
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| __Chris | Right, that's some good argument. |
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| pitriss | as X11 will disappear one day.. |
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| __Chris | I don't want to lower any good motivation. But I think talking about it is allowed. |
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| pitriss | it
will not happen tomorrow but.. it can come out of sudden.. You never
know when wayland gets some silly evangelist like Lennart.. |
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| __Chris | Wasn't wayland just some Linux thing, not for solaris, BSD....? |
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| __Chris | Or wasn't that just systemd? |
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| pitriss | not sure.. |
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| pitriss | I'm not much into bsds yet |
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| __Chris | With
Ubuntu making a switch to GTK3 and Gnome3 fully, redhat will rule the
linux world completely. Maybe I am paranoid, but I don't think good
about that. |
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| pitriss | but this is valid argument, I agree.. as KDE3.5 is/was part of many BSD flavors |
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| __Chris | Also with switching to GTK3 rendering, you will maybe kill support for old hardware. I am not sure about that. |
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| pitriss | I'm the same.. |
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| pitriss | not necesarily.. |
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| pitriss | because its also about subset of functions used in trinity.. |
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| __Chris | Some months back some someone added a whole bunch of patches to make TDE working with OpenSolaris, or some fork of it. |
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| pitriss | when they make it carefully and avoid most of system resources demanding ones, it can be ok |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| __Chris | Also
what is about TDM then? XMCP support? Nowadays you use lightdm with
some greeter? Also amarok uses xine-lib, which makes use of xlib too. Is
that no problem with changing to GTK3 rendering? I don't know. I am not
so into that. Just things I thought about since some days. |
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| pitriss | its
really very complex question to me..:) I'm not into C code so.. but I
trust Tim and Slavek and others.. they do awesome work, they set high
standard and they are trying to keep it in the future.. so they have my
trust:) |
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| __Chris | X
will be preserved for a long time I think. But it will be more and more
difficult to add support for big distributions if they remove it. So
TDE will need to distribute a whole X stack maybe... |
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| pitriss | which means more work, more code to maintain by limited ammount of coders |
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| __Chris | Me too pitriss, but some options for backward compatibility would be nice. If this is possible :-) |
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| pitriss | yeah i agree..:) |
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| pitriss | but not always is great ide a to stack layers:) |
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| pitriss | *idea |
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| pitriss | i mean building wayland support under X11 layer... |
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| pitriss | it adds complexity, its prone to cause unexpected results. |
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| __Chris | There
are emotional and rational points of view from my side. From emotion
point of view I would be happy to see less "fight" to make third party
applications like "firefox" or "LibreOffice" suppot TDE. Instead of this
making the old TDE applications like KOffice simply better. But that
will not be possible with this kind of workpower. |
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| __Chris | Or making KHTML supporting new webpages. |
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| __Chris | No
pitriss, I mean some build options to build native TQT3 rendering only,
or new GTK3 rendering. If that is possible. Or some way to change
backend on the fly. |
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| __Chris | Tim wrote that from application point of view nothing will change. So maybe that would be some option. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| pitriss | btw: https://wiki.bitlbee.org/HowtoSkypeWeb //changes nothing for me about possible espionage from MS but.. for purpose of transition my few friends could be enough. |
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| __Chris | But
otherwise, just see the amarok example. Amarok, at least if I am right
will need xlib because of xine-lib. So GTK3 backend will not help
getting ride of X fully. So full wayland support without amarok, just
for example? Just some things I thought about last night. |
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| pitriss | yeah I understand your point.. but amarok can be redo to use gstreamer? |
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| __Chris | Ah, right. I read about that some months about pitriss. Seems that konversation will get new work :-) |
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| pitriss | maybe |
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| __Chris | GStreamer
is just another backend. A not fully supported one as I know. Works,
but GStreamer is more related to GTK, at least from emotional point of
view. |
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| pitriss | hehe it seems so..:) |
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| pitriss | But I'm actively use local bitlbee for twitter, discord so another tab wouldnt hurt me:D |
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| __Chris | But
from what I have read from tim, his goal at first is to make third
party application support better, not to get ride of X fully in near
future. |
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| pitriss | and then I also use their server for jabber account as "bouncer" to stay on conf whole time:) |
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| __Chris | Nice :-) |
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| pitriss | yes its close to gtk, thats why i mentioned it:) |
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| __Chris | But I don't know what is all related to X. |
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| pitriss | my point was: xine is bound to X11 we want to get rid off.. |
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| pitriss | gstreamer is bound to GTK we planning to use.. |
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| __Chris | Some multimedia backend which supports HTML5 audio/video would be wonderfull for TDE. But that seems to be a lof of work. |
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| pitriss | so adding optional backend to amarok can solve this thing |
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| __Chris | I
never liked gstreamer. Also I fear it will die in some years, because
nowadays it's just a layer for ffmpeg. Most projects are using ffmpeg
directly. |
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| __Chris | Firefox/PaleMoon for example. |
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| __Chris | Same for xine-lib. |
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| __Chris | But MP3's sounds much better with native libmad decoding. Much more worse with ffmpeg decoding. |
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| pitriss | thats another option.. my point stays.. optional backend (doesnt matter on what it relies) solve that xine X11 dependency |
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| __Chris | Amarok has already support for gstreamer AND for xine-lib. Also for some other backends, but I never used them. |
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| __Chris | Kaffeine too :-) |
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| pitriss | there is still one (yeah silly) option.. resurect arts:D and do proper backends for it to decode such things |
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| pitriss | as arts was never working 100% |
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| pitriss | IDK.. i really don't use any Trinitys multimedia players.. |
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| __Chris | But
on the other hand side. Some projects like fluxbox or windowmaker
started to code again, not thinking much about wayland and the future.
They are going to die too? I don |
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| pitriss | For videos SMplayer, for audio MPD with various frontends |
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| __Chris | I dont know. |
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| __Chris | Yes, but arts lacks good video support. |
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| __Chris | Or any, I never tested it to be honest. |
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| pitriss | not counting with future technoligies can be highway to hell |
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| __Chris | KDE4 introduced phonon to change different video/audio backends. |
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| pitriss | and doesn't matter how bad these technologies are.. |
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| __Chris | Right. |
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| pitriss | (yes it was pun directed to PA/Systemd) |
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| __Chris | All is very complicated. |
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| __Chris | Talking about can't do any harm I think. Just letting it work in brain. |
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| pitriss | yeah sure.. |
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| __Chris | At least I am very happy that TDE devs are going to stay strong and I am sure there will be some final solution. :-) |
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| pitriss | phonon is for QT4 like gstreamer for GTK I guess.. |
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| pitriss | but as you pointed theres native libraries/ffmpeg |
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| __Chris | Ah phonon is not in QT4, that is for KDE4, but it was so "good", that they added it to QT5 nativ. |
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| __Chris | Just with some.... "new" name :-P |
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| pitriss | so simple (maybe configurable) layer could do the trick.. so you can specify which one should be used for specified format |
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| pitriss | phonon is IIRC standard part of QT4 |
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| __Chris | Right, but that needs some work and that seems to be the problem. Lack of manpower. |
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| __Chris | Oh, really? That that has changed maybe. |
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| pitriss | ah.. so not even package says multimedia framework from KDE |
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| pitriss | my bad |
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| __Chris | Same for qt4webkit. Or what it is called. |
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| pitriss | Phonon
is the Qt 4 multimedia API, which provides a task-oriented abstraction
layer for capturing, mixing, processing, and playing audio and video
content. . This metapackage ensures that the system has a working Phonon
configuration installed (the core library and at least one back-end). |
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| __Chris | Most people from old KDE are now in the QT-Company. |
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| pitriss | thats description of wheezy package |
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| __Chris | So they upstream all useable. |
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| __Chris | Ah, I see. |
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| pitriss | but title says multimedia framework from KDE |
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| pitriss | so hard to judge:D |
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| __Chris | Yes,
I mean it is some part of KDE, but was integrated later as some part of
QT. Same was done for KMessageBox class or so. In KDE5 they use
QTMessageBox or so directly. KDE is just some playground for QT to grow
up it seems :-P |
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| __Chris | By
the way, the rendering "feeling" for QT and GTK was always different.
Not that some was better or so. To be honest I like the rendering from
GTK (at least GTK2) over QT3. But the rendering was some part of the
QT3/KDE3 experience. Maybe it's emotional bullshit. But, I don't know. |
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| __Chris | I really don't get why nobody was able to fork GTK2. People from Mate could have it forked. But they didn't sadly. |
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| pitriss | ok skypeweb seems to work.. at least its logged.. |
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| __Chris | You mean over the website? |
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| pitriss | no.. over bitlbee:D |
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| pitriss | I compiled that libpurple plugin:) |
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| pitriss | as I'm using libpurple version of bitlbee anyway, it was not a problem for me |
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| __Chris | I
am compiling some GCC 6.3 at the moment, to try out if compiling arts
works with that. I still don't got it to work under GCC 5.4 under my
machines. One worked, but it was not updated a while, so I had to
recompile the half of the system. But I don't found out why arts
compiled under this machine. |
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| __Chris | Right, libpurple, from pidgin. I know the time they started. |
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| pitriss | awww thats bad.. |
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| __Chris | But no calls, right? |
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| pitriss | yeah.. I dont care about calls anyway.. |
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| pitriss | (at least one friend will stop bothering me with them:D) |
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| __Chris | Right, but there are situations a call of that can wake you up... |
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| __Chris | :-P |
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| pitriss | When I'm sleeping at my comfy kšeyboard, its not possible to wake me even by nuclear war behind my window:D |
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| pitriss | need to run.. have a good luck with compiling arts..:) |
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| pitriss | later __Chris |
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| __Chris | Later pitriss. |
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| __Chris | Just for report: GCC 6.3 did not change anything. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: I recommend for your attention bug 2779 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2779 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, Problem building aRts with GCC 5.4 / C++11 ABI |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh, I will take a look. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems Gentoo TDE userland is growing up :-) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| _Chris_ | That
needs investigation tomorrow. I already had some idea about this, but
doesn't want to believe it. Thanks for quoting and bringing to my
attention SlavekB :-) |
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| Chris_ | aRts-Day:
My first idea was now, that you simply need to remove from system
(which I not did until now, because I need a working version still and I
was not expecting any change here). The linking error had to be
something related to libstdc++.so.6, because I saw that from mutiple
other packages which need a recompile, but all packages related to aRts
were already rebuild. The result now after remoing aRts from system (and
normaly |
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| Chris_ | also
the affected libmcop.so.1.0.0, because it's part of aRts) was that
nothing changed. aRts failed at the same linking stage. I found out,
that libmcop.so.1.0.0 was STILL installed, which should be removed
normaly if you unmerge some package. So I deleted it now from hand with
the result that aRts builds now successfull with GCC 5.4. Seems that
this file was/is not tracked by the Gentoo ebuild system. That needs
some fixing. I think |
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| Chris_ | if
the file would be correctly tracked from this system, there would be no
problem. If you unmerge some package, it should remove all affected
files. Same goes for reinstall. At least there is now some progress and I
can get my TDE at least in working state again. Good research from
Vince! :-) |
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| pitriss | cg Chris_:) |
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| Chris_ | But now the binutils (as) segfault nightmare starts again. This time with binutils-2.28. |
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| pitriss | damn, i start to think that Gentoo default state is "broken" :D |
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| Chris_ | Interesting fact, it affects ALL of my x86 systems, but not amd64. |
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| Chris_ | I never had this kind of problems until GCC started to change so much. |
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| Chris_ | Might be that Gentoo people just doesn't expected that too. But that's the price for beeing a Gentoo user. All good. |
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| Chris_ | Binutils
segfaults are only in combination with any TDE related package. It's
seems to be some problem of the overlay. I am clueless. The problem was
gone after switching from binutils-2.25 to some higher version. But now
with 2.28 it's here again. |
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| Chris_ | This kind of problems, also the aRts problem you simply don't have with some binary distribution. |
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| Chris_ | Because building of packages are handled by the distribution people, or at this case by the TDE team. |
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| Chris_ | But it seems binutils-2.27 is working fine here. |
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| pitriss | yeah but thats because every gentoo install can be completely different.. its way harder to catch all possible bugs |
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| Chris_ | Right.
There are default profiles and so on and you can optimize all to your
CPU and so on. But normaly something like that should not happen. I
never experienced such problems before. Like I said, started all to the
time GCC people wanted to copy clang/llvm people to "catch up". |
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| Chris_ | I discovered same kind of problems back in the days in Android.... GCC 4.9 has brought many problems already. |
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| Chris_ | Normaly
there are systools in Gentoo for such kind of situations. For X for
example, the system knows that you need to recompile drivers after every
update of X. Or after some update of glibc, or GCC. But this time the
C++ABI change was new. There were only workarounds, you had to recompile
your whole system. Also in my case, you have a lot of custom made
packages (ebuilds) which are blockers for this rebuild. So all is a bit |
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| Chris_ | complicated. :-) |
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| Chris_ | And,
at least this machine had for nearly 10 years now no single re-install.
You don't need something like this in Gentoo, normaly. But it makes
sense to do sometimes... |
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| Chris_ | I
still have some.... "/usr/kde/3.5/" on my system. Normaly all files are
tracked by the system. But it seems not in this case, that was in 2008
or so. The time were KDE 3.5 was fully integrated in Gentoo. Shows that
back in the days the KDE 3.5 ebuilds were not fully perfect. The new TDE
overlay is simply basing on this work. So some problems you have to
expect. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Was anything changed at the "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme" file? Because tdelibs want to replace it now. |
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| Chris_ | By the way, the git server are running very good again. :-) |
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| Chris_ | Detected file collision(s): |
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| Chris_ | * |
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| Chris_ | * /usr/bin/xscreensaver-getimage |
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| Chris_ | * /usr/bin/xscreensaver-getimage-file |
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| Chris_ | From: tdeartwork-tdescreensaver |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Any idea? That files are from xscreensaver, TDE wants to replace it, it seems. I don't can recall that this was before. |
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| SlavekB | I'm watching - on Debian is not a conflict just because they are installed in /opt/trinity/bin/... |
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| Chris_ | I don't think it was a problem some months back. |
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| Chris_ | Does TDE need some own versions of this file? Because otherwise it can use xscreensavers files directly. |
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| SlavekB | I have to look at source code... |
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| Chris_ | Okay, thanks. |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdeartwork/tree/tdescreensaver/krootbacking |
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| TomTheDragon | is it possible that we might get PDF printing support in TDE: https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/PDF_as_Standard_Print_Job_Format |
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| TomTheDragon | Not as in print to pdf, but things like kpdf sending pdf directly to CUPS. |
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| denk | I'm cleaning the build for my platform and I have some errors: https://paste.ec/paste/2KuJS-i4#se4t8A1Ev1f+3TasTfgPkSCyPUjsXblenx7dmwmKdei |
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| denk | of course I will patch it, do you need it or not? |
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| SlavekB | denk: It is interesting that such a problem has not yet appeared anywhere else. Yes, the patch is a good idea. |
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| denk | SlavekB: http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/tde/tdesdk_oi_patches.tar.gz look at ui-files |
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| SlavekB | Changes in 'ui' files look clean. But some changes in cmake and subversion-1 × svn I would like to have better :) |
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| denk | would you like to apply my patches? use it if you really need it |
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| SlavekB | Is subversion-1 × svn location specific for SUN? |
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| denk | for OpenIndiana |
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| denk | I don't know anything about other solaris specific systems |
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| denk | SlavekB: also for tdevelop: http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/tde/oi-userland/components/trinity/tdevelop/patches/ |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
hi. I got idea.. I'm just reinstalling my old laptop and I kinda miss
metapackage for installing some "base Trinity".. just basic things like
tdm, kwin, kdesktop etc etc.. without games and so on.. |
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| pitriss | as its pretty boring to clean standard install and remove dozen of games and webdevel stuff that nobody sane needs:D |
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| pitriss | And yes, I have disabled recommended and suggested packages as they can do great mess in the system too:) |
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| pitriss | so something that provides bare functional desktop would be really lovely to have |
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| pitriss | even
without things like kate.. I prefer to install things myself instead of
cleaning and purging hundreds of packages that ill never use |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: I use tdebase-trinity for minimum basic installation. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ahh thanks for a hint.. ill try it next time:) |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf:
I would like to get your attention to bug 2750. Although it looks
trivial and the patch is simple, it points to other problematic
consequences. I am interested in your opinion. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2750 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, NEEDINFO , Konqueror - "Select All" actually invert selection |
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| a-865 | fresh stretch http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb: apt-key
adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668 keyserver receive
failed: address family not supported by protocol |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: any suggestion? |
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| a-865 | nvm, worked after rebooting :-p |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | SlavekB:
After full GCC 5.4 recompile of TDE, even with the new machine.... All
is crashing and not working. Several applications if they start them
outside of TDE and also if I want to start TDE from TDM. After logging
in into TDE over TDM, TDM restarts and brings me back. In what log file I
can find some debug messages? |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | And yes, seems to be Gentoo specific again. |
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| denk | inspect ~/.xsession-error and/or /var/log/tdm.log, if you did not change it |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | denk: .xsession file is not created. |
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| _Chris|Laptop_ | I have to start tde with .xinitrc file over "startde". With slim DM. With TDM I get the same result. |
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| Space_Man | using konqueror as a file manager, right clicking on on dir and choosing Properties, the "Free disk space:" section is blank |
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| Space_Man | trinity r14.0.5 |
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| Space_Man | dir properties in krusader show the "Free disk space" |
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| SlavekB | Space_Man: Mountpoint is detected correctly? |
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| Aristide | Hello ! :) |
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| Aristide | i
have a small issue when I launch starttde (via XRDP, I can't test
directly on server), Splashscreen crash at services startup , and I have
this log (wait) |
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| Aristide | Ok fail I can't get file output :'( |
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| denk | failed to start, failed to log, failed to wait, what's next? :) |
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| degrub | anyone got a link to source tarballs? |
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| denk | degrub: http://mirror.ntmm.org/trinity/releases/ |
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| degrub | thank |
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| SlavekB | By the way, you can use a redirector to redirect you to the nearest mirror: http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/releases/ |
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| degrub | ohh nice |
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| denk | it is too hard to remember so long URLs :) |
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| degrub | should work on mageia 6 right? |
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| SlavekB | there are some patches, that is waiting to commit - see bug 2787 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2787 blocker, P5, ---, albator78, ASSIGNED , Build issue: Trinity 14.0.4 FTBFS on upcoming Mageia 6 |
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| degrub | ahh. so doesn't build. i tried already the urpmi with mageia 5 and was messing with dependencies in a circle |
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| degrub | what i mean is. i tried already taking the same route i would take on m5. but on m6 |
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| degrub | well. thanks |
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| SlavekB | It seems that François is working on that, that packages may soon be available. |
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| degrub | nice. future looking good for mageia, v6 release candidate is out, support for ARM architecture nearly finished |
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| denk | http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/tde/OI_TDE_Live.iso this is your project under OpenIndiana (an illumos based system) |
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| denk | thank you for the work |
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| pitriss | hi
guys.. i got silly idea.. It would be great if that alt+F2 thingy for
running apps could be switched to use libqalculate for solving math
expression.. |
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| pitriss | it
already have some basic calculator builtin.. but i would love to have
also libqalculate things in that.. eg currency conversions etc |
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| pitriss | I
was used for qalculate kde3 frontend but i failed with compiling.. gtk2
one is not native and don't work well with trinitys systray etc.. |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: you can find qalculate-tde in Preliminary Stable Builds repository - in apt component 'extra'. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: great:) i'm not running on preliminary stable but its great news anyway..:) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: thank you very much.. |
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| SlavekB | denk: It sounds like a very good result! |
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| denk | SlavekB: it is still not in the main repo |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
I'm just tried to just download sources of qalculate-tde, unpack them,
and just build them by "fakeroot debian/rules binary" but it can't find
dcopidl, do I need some specific -dev package installed to be this file
recognized? in my system is present only /usr/bin/dcopidl-tqt |
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| pitriss | but it can be just difference between preliminary and stable tde:) |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/squeeze/applications/qalculate-tde/debian/control#n6 |
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| pitriss | thanks.. its compiling now:) |
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| pitriss | it is working.. tyvm |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
its not trinity related but why that shlibs macro gives me strange
results.. I googled a lot about this and its something bad in
multiarch.. it everytime put me there libc6-amd64 which is unfulfilled
dep.. as for my 64bit system it should be just libc6 AFAIK |
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| chewie_ | hi, is there anyone? |
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| SlavekB | yes, but busy |
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| pitriss | chewie_: just write your question and wait if somebody answers:) thats how IRC works:) |
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| denk | I did not reply such questions last 10 years, or so |
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| denk | there is no reason to do it |
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| denk | as you can see :) |
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| chewie_ | i compiled tde 14.0.4 for slackware current |
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| chewie_ | It seems this is working fine, except that from time to time when the desktop is loaded, an error occurs |
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| chewie_ | It seems somehow connected with the installed localization package, the English version works more stable |
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| chewie_ | In which direction to seek a solution to the problem? |
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| denk | I'm not sure that localization could affect the stability, it's just a text (english or not) |
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| chewie_ | where can i see the logs trinity |
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| chewie_ | ? |
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| denk | in my system it is in ~/.xsession-errors |
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| chewie_ | i have kdesktop.kcrash |
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| chewie_ | [TDECrash handler] |
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| chewie_ | #5 0xb623c21c in TQApplication::internalNotify(TQObject*, TQEvent*) () from /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt-mt.so.3 |
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| chewie_ | #9 0xb6232bc8 in TQEventLoop::activateTimers() () from /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt-mt.so.3 |
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| chewie_ | #13 0xb76dd91f in kdemain () from /opt/trinity/lib/libtdeinit_kdesktop.so |
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| denk | hey, don't do it! |
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| denk | https://paste.ec/ - put it here |
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| chewie_ | sorry, ok |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ec/raw/LkxBEvqJ#WAzE9ecAyD8sJ-MMF/UpKNoWstVqCvxXd3H54onU3Ip |
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| chewie_ | there are ideas, what would that mean? |
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| chewie_ | error does not always appear, but from time to time constantly |
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| denk | I'd suggest to recompile it with debug info (-ggdb3 -O0) |
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| chewie_ | we are talking about the tdebase package? |
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| denk | and tdelibs too |
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| denk | #13 0xb76dd91f in kdemain () from /opt/trinity/lib/libtdeinit_kdesktop.so |
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| denk | also as a developer I'd like to see a core dump, but I'm not a tde developer and I don't know what they want to see... |
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| SlavekB | chewie_: It would be useful to have a backtrace with debug symbols. |
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| a-865 | why does 'apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668' produce 'Address family not supported by protocol'? |
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| a-865 | as instructed by https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| SlavekB | a-865: It looks like an ipv4 × ipv6 problem. |
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| SlavekB | Can you try another key server? |
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| SlavekB | 34 |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net worked |
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| SlavekB | you can use shorter url: keyserver.quickbuild.io |
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| Aristide | Hello, I have a small issue with TDE : I explain : |
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| Aristide | I
use TDE via XRDP Client. When I launch Krdc (try with mstsc under
Windows OS too) and type login/pass, keyboard layout is correct. BUT :
When I close Krdc (or mstsc) and reopopen without close
session, layout is not good |
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| Aristide | I must close / reopen session or change / and back layout to FR |
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| Aristide-II | Hello
! I have a problem with Keboard Layout on Trinity Desktop. If I open
already opened XRDP session, layout come back to US (Instead FR). If I
open new session, switch to FR without problem. |
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| SlavekB | Aristide-II:
I'm not sure if the rdp server sets the keyboard layout by client - in
the krdc, the settings for keyboard layout is for rdp. |
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| Aristide-II | SlavekB: I have same problem with mstsc |
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| Aristide-II | (Microsoft native client) |
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| Aristide-II | But Its strange, with XFCE its work for example |
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| Aristide-II | So,
other strange (and fun) thing: Actually keyboard is on FR Layout (When I
type with keyboard, its well), but if I do CTRL+A, he say « CTRL+Q »
and ask for quit lol |
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| SlavekB | Can you try to use xfreerdp as rdp client? |
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| Aristide-II | Hm. I can try, I try after 12h |
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| msiism | hi, just wanted to report 2 issues with the Devuan install instruction at https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DevuanInstall |
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| msiism | one:
"Devuan is created as a very compatible with Debian on which it is
based." it should probably be "as a distribution very compatibale with
Debian" |
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| msiism | i mean, compatible, of course |
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| msiism | two:
currently the instaructions for Devuan ASCII (testing) are placed
before those for Jessie (stable). that should be turned around. |
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| SlavekB | Take a look at pages about Debian and Ubuntu - the latest distributions are always at the highest. |
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| msiism | you mean the TDE pages? |
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| SlavekB | wiki pages with installation instructions for Debian and Ubuntu. |
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| msiism | the
problem with that is that ASCII is not the latest Devuan release, but
the testing branch that currently cannot even be installed the normal
way. it's not recommended for people who just want a working system. |
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| msiism | the latter holds for debian as well. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, just like Debian testing. |
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| msiism | right. but testing is testing and may break occasionally |
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| SlavekB | But there are users who are also interested in testing releases. |
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| msiism | no
doubt about that. but that should be a secondary thing. for someone who
just wants to use TDE on his or her Devuan or Debian system, stable is
the way to go. |
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| msiism | that's why it's called stable ;) |
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| SlavekB | For Debian, for example, it would seem strange to put Buster under all other stable versions. |
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| msiism | there is always only one stable version |
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| msiism | for debian that is stretch at the moment |
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| msiism | for devuan it is jessie |
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| SlavekB | ehm, stable, oldstable, oldoldstable == all still supported |
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| SlavekB | And TDE is available for all releases - from Stretch to Squeeze. |
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| msiism | i get that |
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| SlavekB | So it does not make sense to move Buster to the end of this long list. |
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| msiism | but: if a normal compuer user wants to install Debian or Devuan, he or she should always go with the current stable release. |
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| SlavekB | That's why the list is here so that the very latest versions are just on top. |
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| pitriss | msiism: when normal user wants trinity, he will have system already installed, so doesnt mattewr where its on TDE wiki |
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| SlavekB | Even more strange would be the order: Stretch, then Buster and then Jessie, Wheezy,... |
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| pitriss | and
for sysadmins like me who installs trinity to bare system from netinst
it doesnt matter too as sysadmin will have already prepared correct
sources file:) |
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| msiism | i
don't see any reasonable argument for not putting the current stable
release just on top of whatever list there may be. everything except
stable are special cases for Debian as well as Devuan (not so for
ubuntu, afaik). |
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| pitriss | in worst case, sysadmin have no problem use w3m or such browser from console:) |
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| SlavekB | Again: even more strange would be the order: Stretch, then Buster and then Jessie, Wheezy,... |
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| pitriss | msiism: its just because debian and devuan are all debian based disros.. so also wiki structure is the same..:) |
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| SlavekB | Here is simply not "the only one stable". |
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| pitriss | msiism: and when theres TDE support since squeeze it makes no sense to put testing under stable.. it would mess any logic in it |
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| msiism | also:
all the standrad documentation throuhgout the debian project always is
written with the current stable release in mind (since it's the current
stable release). |
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| msiism | ok, i'll just accept your position. mine is different. that's ok. |
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| msiism | btw, i'm really having problems accessing tde's website. it mostly loads for ages. |
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| msiism | and by that i mean, it's giving me timeouts most of the time. |
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| SlavekB | For 'main' pages you can use mirror: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/index.php - however, wiki, bugs, etc are only on primary server. |
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| msiism | ok, thanks |
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| msiism | does tde require policykit? |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, there is no direct dependence. |
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| SlavekB | May be needed, for example, for udisks, networkmanager, and so on. |
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| msiism | ok |
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| msiism | btw, did you know that there is a Devuan derivate coming with TDE preinstalled? It's called Exe GNU/Linux (http://exegnulinux.net/) |
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| msiism | it's probably worth mentioning that on a "systems with TDE as the default desktop" page, if that should exist. |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/LiveCDs |
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| msiism | SlavekB: ok, i suspected it to be listed there, but couldn't access the page. |
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| chewie_ | hi everybody |
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| chewie_ | so i tried to compile the packages tdebase and tdelibs with -ggdb3 -O0 |
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| chewie_ | tdebase compiled without problems |
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| chewie_ | tdelibs showed an error |
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| chewie_ | htmlhashes.cpp:39: undefined reference to `findAttr(char const*, unsigned int)' |
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| chewie_ | maybe it should be compiled without -O0? |
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| denk | chewie_: patch it, because it is an error |
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| SlavekB | chewie_: findAttr is an inline function defined htmlattrs.c and included into htmlhashes.cpp |
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| chewie_ | Hello, so what to do with the problem of desktop crash on TDE 14.0.4 on Slackware 14.2? |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ec/raw/gX9lqo-m#upBLHibFosr9oOM9OYLfyrDpzzvhBDfLuTedvK6GV21 |
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| chewie_ | screenshot http://vfl.ru/fotos/edf3054e17866065.html |
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| chewie_ | This problem manifests itself only on systems with installed localization |
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| chewie_ | I have not seen anything like this if English is the default language |
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| chewie_ | Also,
I can not rebuild tdelibs with debug mode because of undefined
reference to `findAttr (char const *, unsigned int) ' Collect2: error:
ld completed with return code 1 |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ec/raw/jiARxluq#ceb9VIF70kh6pWXCAdyjq4v4njVPXwpcLSn1Yi9meYj |
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| chewie_ | Can someone help me with this? |
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| denk | chewie_: rus? we can talk in private if you want it |
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| chewie_ | <denk>_: why private? |
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| denk | to talk in russian |
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| chewie__ | not russia, but eastern europe |
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| denk | I just see the messages in your log |
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| denk | anyway, as you wish... firstly, add env variable: export VERBOSE=1 |
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| denk | it will show you the command line of compiler and ld |
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| denk | second, as SlavekB told you, findAttr defined as inline function |
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| denk | you may comment out "inline" for it and try to recompile it |
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| denk | also, your dump (crash dump) is not informative, it has no debug info at all |
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| denk | it's very hard to analize it untile you run ctf && mdb under linux :) |
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| Aristide-II | Hello :) |
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| Aristide-II | When I lauch Konqueror or start TDE, I get this error : |
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| Aristide-II | Unable to find MIME type : |
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| Aristide-II | application/octet-stream |
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| Aristide-II | I get this error with Kontact too |
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| SlavekB | Aristide-II: I guess it's related to bug 2713. Do you have the chance to try Preliminary Stable Builds == R14.0.5~pre? |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2713 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Magic file type detection not working with recent versions of file |
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| Aristide-II | Oh ! |
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| Aristide-II | <3 |
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| Aristide-II | SlavekB: Ok thank's |
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| denk | 14.0.5 is comming, it will be a new quest to port it to solaris :) |
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| denk | SlavekB: by the way, could you add tests to cmake scripts to detect solaris network functions? like -lsocket -lnsl |
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| denk | it should be easy |
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| chewie_ | hi, my debugging information about a desktop crash in TDE on Slackware https://paste.ec/raw/xCd3QF2n#uveCxWb+ayPK9XrsNKNIA1vTKwVmUmnGp31zUoa-9yQ |
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| chewie_ | have any ideas? |
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| SlavekB | chewie_: At first glance, there is one suspicious thing - newLen = 577402011 - that is, extending the string to 500M characters! |
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| chewie_ | why is this happening? |
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| Regulator | guys i signed up for mailling list a while back and have never recieved anything |
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| Regulator | <my question is not: help me sign up, lets go through some steps and debug it> |
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| Regulator | i dont mind trying another email. my question is. have there even been any emails? |
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| Space_Man | Regulator: which mailing lists, there are several - announce, devel, users - the last post on users was 14/7 |
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| Space_Man | http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201707 |
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| Space_Man | http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201707 |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | What is the difference between "suspend" and "freeze" please? |
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| SlavekB | SemiNus: See kernel documentation - https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/states.txt |
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| a-865 | /join suse |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | is anyone around? |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Seems
that I can finaly use TDE again with GCC 5.4, at least in short time.
Seems that most problems were related to cmake parameters in the Gentoo
overlay. I just have to confirm, but it seems so. :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris|Laptop: Congratz.. you fixed that nasty issue:) |
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| _Chris|Laptop | pitriss:
Not me actually. But I am sure it is related to it. This explains the
xscreensaver related file conflicts I wrote about here some weeks ago. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | And it seems it was not related to new GCC version. Just bad luck, wrong time to rebuild. |
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| _Chris|Laptop | But I had not much time anyway, so I booted up WindowMaker again, was funny too. |
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| pitriss | _Chris|Laptop: ahh, but still congratz.. you have fully working system again |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Right, we will see :-) |
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| _Chris|Laptop | On this machine here I changed nothing, so I could just keep up with TDE IRC with Konversation. |
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| denk | hey, guys, look at this: https://paste.ec/paste/txo0bOjY#HpR5L9Tk6IhuTSOzo-lxPDii0r4k52U1gnUE5JrjDNl |
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| denk | this is on chewie's slackware |
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| * _Chris_ is back again :-) |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: Thanks for fixing this nasty konqueror preview limit bug. :-) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: This is something I am very happy about. Maybe you can change the upper limit to 1GB instead of 100MB? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is possible. It's a big number, but if there will be consent, we can change it. |
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| SlavekB | I understand that this may be useful, for example, for video files. |
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| __Chris | That
would be wonderfull. Big exported PDF multipage files with images are
also often more than 100MB. Would be nice to simply have that option. |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: Do you know from which package libartsmidi.la is? |
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| __Chris | ... and libartsbuilder.la too. I think it is tdemultimedia. But it fails to compile because this file is missing. |
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| SlavekB | libartsmidi.la and libartsbuilder.la are both from tdemultimedia. |
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| __Chris | Ah,
all good. I fixed it. I deleted /usr/trinity/14/lib/mcop/* and started
from scratch. The problem was, that I had additional tdemultimedia
packages build without ebuilds from Gentoo (because they were using
autotools still to this time). So aRts had problems to start, because it
wanted to load some not recompiled files. Now at least aRts works fine
with GCC 5.4. |
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| SlavekB | You can use R14.0.5 preliminary - see http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdemultimedia/commit/?h=r14.0.x&id=efcdd889 |
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| __Chris | SlavekB:
Yes I have seen that already, that's wonderfull SlavekB, thank you! I
will try to add a ebuild for this if I have some time. I am using latest
master anyway. |
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| SlavekB | Aha, okay :) |
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| __Chris | I
think I can feel some difference with new GCC 5.4 and hidden visibility
support in TDE. Feels a bit faster. I not did any benchmark, just
feeling.:-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just
some quick idea, because I had some use of it while beeing on fire from
over 200 "aRts crashed" windows.... Maybe I have overseen it, but is it
possible to lock the focus of some window? Because I changed the
terminal window to "always in foreground" but the focus was given to
that "report crash" message anyway. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2768 filed by frank@mematis.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2768 major, P2, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Control Center crashes on clicking window exit-button (x-button) |
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| tbottu | 10frank@mematis.com changed the Component on bug 2768 from debian to tqtinterface. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2769 filed by dmaglio@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2769 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdenetworkmanager cannot display vpn service |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2770 filed by frank@mematis.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2770 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Adept Updater not showing updates and crashes when closing with the upper-right x-button |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2771 filed by bugs.trinitydesktop.org@L8R.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2771 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, DNS is borked, please update records |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2772 filed by phil.c2@btinternet.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2772 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Can't resize Quick Launcher icons |
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| tbottu | 10kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net changed the Status on bug 2771 from NEW to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 10bugs.trinitydesktop.org@L8R.net changed the Status on bug 2771 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2773 filed by gomadtroll@gci.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2773 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Kontact crash when adding "new event: to calendar |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2773 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2774 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TMenu button not resizing for Kicker or for label + label settings issue |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2752 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, FreeBSD 11: tde-packaging/freebsd/dependencies/tqmake fails to build |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2775 filed by nick.koretsky@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2775 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kdesktop_lock is incompatible with multiple screens layout |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2776 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2776 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Devuan installation instructions |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2777 filed by baldiniebaldini@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2777 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Konsole doesn't show Unicode Braille |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2748 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Tdenetworkmanager shows no wireless networks on TDE14/Debian_Stretch |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2778 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2778 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Tdenetworkmanager - wireless network is not connected on 'Connect&Save' button click |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2779 filed by physeter@cox.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2779 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, Problem building aRts with GCC 5.4 / C++11 ABI |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2780 filed by mrmazda@earthlink.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , no notification on optical or USB media insertion |
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| tbottu | 10rom_as@oscada.org changed the Status on bug 1644 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1644 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Kicker:systemtray: built-in clock start into English locale; NM applet size 4x4 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2781 filed by rom_as@oscada.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2781 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , Expanding for brightness keys support. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2782 filed by rom_as@oscada.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2782 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , KMix expanding for true processing PuseAudio and master channel |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2783 filed by rom_as@oscada.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2783
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2748 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2784 filed by mb_trinity_desktop@inet-design.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2784 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Adding KWrite to the Preference list (Konqueror, *.inc) spams the system with Sorry pop ups. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2784 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2785 filed by linux@rainbow-software.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2785
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Let's encrypt certificates does not
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2786 filed by steffen.thus@web.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2786 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, No Thumbnails in Konquerer |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2750 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Konqueror - "Select All" actually invert selection |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2787 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2787 blocker, P5, ---, albator78, ASSIGNED , Build issue: Trinity 14.0.4 FTBFS on upcoming Mageia 6 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2761 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , openSUSE installation requires package(s) retired from Packman |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2758
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, [Regression] Maximum file size
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2788 filed by mb_trinity_desktop@inet-design.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2788 wishlist, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , How do you remove all of Samba without gutting TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is there any known problem to compile K3b with MPC (musepack) support? With "--without-musepack" it compiles fine. |
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| SlavekB | From k3b/CMakeLists.txt: WARNING k3b requires some acient version of musepack |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah right, thank you. I still build it with autoconf. So nothing GCC related. Build it without musepack support, works. |
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| pitriss | i
see its not related but IMO musepack is not so heavily spread..
Flac/Ape/Wavpack are much more used in lossless community.. but yeah
when you look at it with "completness" of a build, then its better to
have it compiled in |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I don't have any use of it anyway, but musepack is installed on my
system. Maybe I should recompile my system without support for it
completely. Was just because of completness. |
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| pitriss | ahh..
I never seen it to be used anyway... And i'm music addict.. I have lot
of Flacs, lot of Apes, some WV too.. but i really didn't seen musicpack
in the wild:) |
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| _Chris_ | Me neither. |
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| a-865 | just did a 4 month old stretch 32bit dist-upgrade that had working TDE system sounds before the upgrade, but no more :-( |
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| __Chris | The
moment when you see firefox want to install rust as dependency.... Time
to finaly say goodbye to it. Just had it for preserving my tabs anyway.
I don't need that. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: use seamonkey..:) its bit oldschool but can look nicely too.. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Just updated one of my TDE systems and noticed that a bunch of graphics
are gone, e.g. old-style Web animations (.gif) and a few of the system
.pngs too (including knutclient's task tray icon) |
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| kb9vqf | known issue or something I should investigate further? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, I had this as option still.... but I have read that in some time
SM will have trouble too. Because it needs xulrunner platform which will
be changed out by mozilla in favor of cargo/rust and so on. We will
see. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Updated like dist-upgrade? Do you use TDE master a or r14.0.x? |
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| tsarompy | :) |
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| tsarompy | hai |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Slowly gathering more information on the missing graphics issue...it
might be related to the radeon driver but I can't be sure. It
affects specific transparent images only and causes the background to
be drawn instead of the background + the image on
top. knutclient shows the issue reliably when connected to a
UPS, but does not exibit the issue when in any other stat |
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| kb9vqf | tdmgreet is also affected (main logo on login screen) |
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| kb9vqf | I'm
still not sure if this is machine specific or, as suspected, a bug in
the radeon driver; will need to try on another computer |
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| dimitsos | _Chris_: Have you tried palemoon browser? |
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| Aristide | Hello ! |
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| Aristide | I have already ask help about « unable to find MIME Type application/octet-stream » . |
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| Aristide | I have upgrade from R14.0.4 to R14.0.5 but I have always same message |
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| SlavekB | Aristide: This is not good news. Please, can you remind me on what version of distribution do you observe to this issue? |
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| Aristide | Hello SlavekB :) |
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| Aristide | Jessie |
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| Aristide | Debian Jessie |
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| pitriss | just silly idea.. does it allow you to create such mime? |
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| Aristide | What ? |
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| Aristide | pitriss: Sorry but I don't really understand this question :s |
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| pitriss | just open kcontrol and try to create this mime there.. |
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| Aristide | Ah okay wait |
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| Aristide | I'm looking for how create a new mime type |
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| pitriss | tde compomponents => file association |
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| pitriss | sorry if translation is not exact, i'm using localised TDE |
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| Aristide | No problem :) |
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| Aristide | I use french version lol |
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| Aristide | I'm already into file association, but I can't create new entry |
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| pitriss | there should be "add" on the bottom.. select application, on bottom field fill octet-stream and then confirm..:) |
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| Aristide | Oh |
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| pitriss | it helped me few years as i really didnt had such mime on my system.. |
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| Aristide | Sorry xD |
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| pitriss | *few years ago |
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| Aristide | I use a too small RDP window :s |
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| Aristide | YES ! Its work |
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| Aristide | Thank's pitriss and SlavekB for your help :) |
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| pitriss | glad to hear:) Hope your error message will be gone for good:) |
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| Aristide | ^^ |
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| Aristide | Gor food or for good ? :x |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Good work :-) |
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| pitriss | for good as "forever" :D |
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| pitriss | youre welcome;) |
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| pitriss | Have a nice night:) |
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| Aristide | Too lazy for slip now |
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| Aristide | :' |
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| Aristide | sleep* |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: sometimes silly ideas turn to be not so silly:D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Right, good one. |
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| Aristide | Now I must solve a small problem, but problem is not trinity, its XRDP |
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| pitriss | RDP itself is a big problem as its origin is microsoft:D |
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| pitriss | It have many troubles with switching keyboard layouts |
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| Aristide | pitriss: Yes but actually its work good |
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| Aristide | (Problem only with Keyboard :x) |
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| pitriss | hard to believe:D |
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| Aristide | ^^ |
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| _Chris_ | dimitsos:
Yes, I use already palemoon. Thank you anyway. But palemoon is also
just basing on the gecko engine, which is going to be deprecated by
mozilla it seems. |
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| dimitsos | _Chris_:
I know the difficulties of using palemoon (forked goanna engine, small
team, not so frequent updates, some compatibility problems), but it's an
option ,nonehteless |
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| dimitsos | *nonetheless |
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| _Chris_ | dimitsos: Right, I still a more or less happy PM user. |
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| _Chris_ | *am |
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| pitriss | dimitsos: hehe these goanna issues made me switch to seamonkey.. |
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| pitriss | dimitsos:
or maybe not these issues directly but selfishness of PM devs who
wanted users to report broken sites to its webmasters.. |
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| pitriss | its
completely utopian idea.. NOBODY will fix site for few visitors/month
becausew they are using some obscure browser with almost no dev team.. |
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| pitriss | Seamonkey at least works with sites properly |
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| TomTheDragon | I was having some issues with the desktop lock, was able to resolve it by giving all users permission to /etc/shadow.. |
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| TomTheDragon | but not sure if that is what's intended, perhaps was supposed to be suid in debian packages? |
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| pitriss | TomTheDragon: not completely sure but changing permissions of /etc/shadow can be security hole:) |
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| thorn_inurcide | Hi, I can't find the build/install instructions for qt4-tqt-theme. I was wondering how to do so |
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| thorn_inurcide | I use Slackware, I can package it myself, just need to know how it's built, where to install too |
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| thorn_inurcide | NVM |
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| thorn_inurcide | I just figure it out |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications |
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| TomTheDragon | pitriss: I just set to root:tnradm rw-r-----, so should be mostly safe |
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| TomTheDragon | since I don't just hand that group out |
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| Aristide | Note : Use TDE Applications via X Forwarding > ALL |
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| android_ | submit pubkey |
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| android_ | privmsg |
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| android_ | helloooo |
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| android_ | after install the only change is login prompt |
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| android_ | what mean you by full environment? |
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| android_ | helloooooooo |
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| android_ | hellooooooooooooooooo |
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| SlavekB | android_: please be somewhat considerate - people here can be busy at the moment, so nobody can respond immediately. |
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| SlavekB | It would be useful to know on what version and distribution you are installing. |
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| android_ | 14.04 |
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| android_ | r14.0.4 |
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| android_ | newest version |
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| android_ | from quantal repo |
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| android_ | maybe it is better to go with plasma5? |
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| SlavekB | Quantal repo? Quantal is Ubuntu 12.10. Ubuntu 14.04 is Trusty. |
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| android_ | slavekb trinity has a quantal repo |
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| SlavekB | Trinity has also trusty repository. |
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| android_ | the version was for trinity |
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| android_ | r14.0.4 |
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| android_ | does it only want to capture login passwords |
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| android_ | did the dev say screw the rest of the.envoronment |
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| android_ | wait for the complaint and.grab the login passwords from the.keylogger? |
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| android_ | that is the only thing changed |
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| android_ | the login password box |
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| android_ | how to remove it? |
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| _Chris_ | android_:
Nobody want to grab your passwords, that's for sure. Thousands of
people are happy to use TDE. Seems TDM is not starting and maybe
something got wrong with the install. Please wait for someone giving you
some suggestions, knowing about the distribution you are using :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Full
desktop enviroment means it is like KDE5/Plasma5. It is a full featured
desktop system, like KDE3 was. With extra applications integrated
within TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | R14.0.4
is the latest TDE release. With "login password box" you mean the login
manager? Like light DM before? If so, TDE has replaced it with TDM (TDE
Display Manager). That's a seperate DM for TDE and KDE4 had KDM too for
this. |
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| _Chris_ | Or you mean the command promt on console? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: If you read this in history... These brightness patches are nice, but seems the bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2775 relates to something different? I will try this out on my VAIO laptop these days. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2775: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kdesktop_lock is incompatible with multiple screens layout |
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| android_ | tdm not starting |
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| _Chris_ | Ubuntu is using systemd I think, so someone could help you to start TDM. |
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| android_ | it uses upstart |
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| android_ | the window borders are missing |
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| _Chris_ | Right, they want to switch, or later versions use it. |
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| android_ | and no launcher |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, so you can start TDE already without TDM? |
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| android_ | the login screen works |
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| _Chris_ | Can you open some console and type "kicker"? |
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| android_ | X spawns automatic |
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| _Chris_ | That should open kicker. |
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| _Chris_ | The launcher. |
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| android_ | gnome do starts |
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| _Chris_ | Have you selected TDE with the login screen? |
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| android_ | and gnome screen lock still runs |
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| android_ | lightdm was enable an attempt to remove exec bit was run before restart |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean with the last text? |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly, you can select TDE within lightdm and it.... starts simply. |
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| android_ | gnome-session is still running |
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| _Chris_ | If not, something got wrong with install it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Why "still"? |
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| _Chris_ | If you start lightdm, there should be nothing except lightdm. |
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| android_ | trinity is supposed to be a complete desktop environment |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| android_ | so why does it need lightdm |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly
if you select TDE within lightdm or TDM there is a script starttde or
something like that which starts the kdesktop (icons etc.) and the
launcher (kicker). |
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| android_ | with bsd it is simple |
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| android_ | start X |
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| _Chris_ | It don't need lightdm. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly lightdm will be replaced with TDM. |
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| android_ | get a terminal and start xdm or any dm |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | But Ubuntu per default starts lightdm. |
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| android_ | with ubuntu theres some lightdm that runs other dms? |
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| _Chris_ | And Plasma5 is using lightdm per default too now. They deprecated their KDM. |
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| _Chris_ | No, lightdm is some DM, and it starts different WM (windowmanagers) or desktop enviroments. |
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| android_ | ok so lightdm is re exec bit enabled |
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| _Chris_ | And TDM comes with TWin. |
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| android_ | whats the need for lightdm? |
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| _Chris_ | So normaly you have to change out lightdm with TDM. Normaly install should do this, but I don't know. SlavekB does better. |
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| android_ | I can startX then shoot an xterm to it and typr tdm in BSD |
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| _Chris_ | LightDM was something "fancy new". A way to create a universal "do it all at once" DM for all desktop enviroments. |
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| _Chris_ | BSD also uses init scripts. |
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| _Chris_ | You can start X, right. |
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| android_ | no |
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| android_ | it spawns automatic |
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| _Chris_ | just add to your .xinitrc file starttde. |
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| _Chris_ | And normaly.... it should start the full enviroment, like you get it if you select TDE with lightdm or TDM. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, it spawns because there is a init script. |
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| _Chris_ | But the problem you have is that the starttde command don't work for you, or not? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe Ubuntu is not the right for you, maybe you should take a look at Devuan or Debian. |
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| android_ | with BSD it is really customizable |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Start_X_on_login |
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| _Chris_ | For example. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, TDE devs are working on BSD support. |
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| _Chris_ | It already works already on OpenSolaris for example. |
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| android_ | this was supposed to be done as the package installer |
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| _Chris_ | But it's not in the repos. |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean exactly? |
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| android_ | why is it issued for quantal and not working? |
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| _Chris_ | It is supposed to work. Maybe something got wrong. I don't know. |
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| android_ | a repo is supposed to be setup ready to run packages |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly you install it and will be greeted by TDM (or lightdm), you can select TDE and it starts. |
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| _Chris_ | Ubuntu per default also uses some DM. |
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| _Chris_ | TDE repos are only something on top of the Ubuntu version. Ubuntu does things in addition to Debian because it's basing on it. |
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| android_ | how can the entire thing be removed |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean exactly? Ubuntu, TDE, lightDM? |
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| android_ | all ofthe junk on top of X so I can do it the BSD way |
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| android_ | startX |
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| _Chris_ | To be honest? Just start with Devuan. |
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| _Chris_ | You can do a minimal install. |
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| android_ | xterm -display :0 |
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| _Chris_ | I am a happy Gentoo user by the way. But Gentoo support for TDE or vice versa is not fully done. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, just install Devuan. It don't use something like systemd, or upstart. |
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| android_ | gentoo is wild |
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| _Chris_ | You can use Debian repos as far as I know, but Devuan people are very nice too and are open to include TDE as far as I know. |
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| android_ | no it is all installed |
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| android_ | not starting from scratch |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, than I can't help you, or better I don't have the time for. |
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| _Chris_ | Ubuntu is using a lot of.... things on top of normal linux. |
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| _Chris_ | pulseaudio and all this. |
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| android_ | this all started with fglrx |
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| _Chris_ | I am not very into this Debian based distributions anymoore by the way, so I don't know. |
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| android_ | apparently ubuntu packages a version of fglrx for different video chips |
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| _Chris_ | Right, normaly the ATI opensource drivers should work good. Except you use these new chips... |
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| _Chris_ | Right, the same for nvidia drivers. |
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| android_ | then yes I set it to radeon |
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| android_ | thats when the window manager broke |
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| android_ | unity or something |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe your chip is too new. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | Unity is using full OpenGL for drawing. |
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| android_ | so I expected tde to fix it all by over installing a 'complete desktop environment' |
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| _Chris_ | TDE CAN use it, but optionally. |
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| android_ | it looks like it was a software gpu |
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| android_ | some sort of vesa |
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| _Chris_ | No, TDE is just like Unity. A full DE is about different parts, but they don't replace the drivers, X or something under. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems you have driver problems than, if you have problems with unity too, that's some deeper problem. |
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| android_ | it looks like my machine had a software gpu driver and unity |
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| _Chris_ | Right, that's something unity has problems with as far as I know... |
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| android_ | so it works fine now with radeon |
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| _Chris_ | That's good. |
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| android_ | except the interface broke |
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| _Chris_ | Unity too? |
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| _Chris_ | If unity don't work with radeon, it's some deeper problem. |
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| android_ | tde was supposed to replace it with a 'complete desktop environment' |
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| _Chris_ | Right, Unity. |
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| _Chris_ | But... |
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| _Chris_ | If Unity don't work with radeon, TDE will have most likely problems too. |
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| _Chris_ | They all use "water". |
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| _Chris_ | How did you come to TDE by the way? |
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| android_ | complete means everything under startx |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | But does fluxbox or some other WM work? |
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| _Chris_ | Because normaly, Unity should work out of the box. If not, something could be wrong... |
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| _Chris_ | Just intelligence guessing. |
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| android_ | do tou want to login and fix it? |
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| _Chris_ | No, no need. I am no one knowing much about Debian. |
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| _Chris_ | How did you come to TDE android_? |
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| _Chris_ | AFK some time. |
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| android_ | chris you seem smart |
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| android_ | did you graduate mindforge? |
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| android_ | tde was in a search engin listing while browsing about the problems |
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| _Chris_ | No, why? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, good to know. |
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| android_ | yous seem to spawn from debian |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| android_ | all of these minds everwhere |
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| android_ | but they need to be used for solving problems |
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| _Chris_ | Right too. |
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| android_ | you chatter but dont want to login and actually look at what you so called 'hypothesis' |
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| _Chris_ | To be honest, I don't want to do this, because, I don't think that's something smart. |
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| android_ | youns sit here and ask the user to cut and past things over and over |
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| _Chris_ | From psychological point, you seems to be very sceptical person. Nothing rude. |
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| _Chris_ | No, you don't pasted anything. |
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| android_ | sceptical scepter |
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| android_ | the life of iron |
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| android_ | it starts with version numbers |
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| android_ | I opened with r14.0.4 for quantal |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. |
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| android_ | though sceptical is a fancy word |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you are simply trolling us here. |
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| _Chris_ | Nothing wrong, just some screptical too :-P |
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| android_ | my application is mind |
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| android_ | very simple game |
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| android_ | theres a range |
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| _Chris_ | You are interesting. |
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| android_ | the range is sliced by halves |
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| android_ | until the point is found |
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| android_ | try it out irc.mindforge.org |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. |
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| android_ | it is so simple nearly anybody can do it |
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| android_ | chris but for you |
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| android_ | for ai |
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| android_ | it can be a vulnerability |
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| android_ | though it doesn't order chaos |
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| android_ | to solve the vulnerability |
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| android_ | as I was saying |
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| _Chris_ | I will take a look at it. |
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| android_ | I don't really take solice in the fancyness. |
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| _Chris_ | How are you related to minforge? |
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| android_ | It is called dual diverse compiling. |
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| android_ | D.D.C. |
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| android_ | related to mindforge? |
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| _Chris_ | Right, I just wanted to say, you mean DDC. I just read about it. |
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| android_ | these things sort of appeared |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, because you came up with it. |
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| android_ | the game is a graduate game |
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| android_ | when you said intelligence I thought about mindforge |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. |
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| android_ | trinity has an assosiation with a.i. |
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| android_ | be it a typecast or not |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean exactly? |
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| android_ | the channel list on freenode shows trinity assosiated with a.i. |
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| android_ | typecast means character well known for a certain role |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean with a.i.? Maybe I am greatly missunderstanding what you want to say. |
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| android_ | things can be forged |
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| android_ | shaped |
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| android_ | that is artificial intelligence right |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, that you mean with a. i. |
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| android_ | mind forge is nearly a synonym |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I see. |
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| android_ | I've been through this in depth. |
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| android_ | Why should I give a free dissertation when you dont want to login and fix the ' complete desktop encironment' |
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| android_ | Here I have comodo RSA you maybe look for sancho to flush the invalid gold wedding ring down the toilet? |
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| android_ | properly nevalid |
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| android_ | the problem is.the Holy Languages are reserved languages. |
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| android_ | It doesn't work well to teach them to anybody. |
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| _Chris_ | When you joined, you wrote: "submit pubkey". Why? |
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| android_ | But with computer science anything else is idle. |
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| android_ | chris tocheck if the public key given here is the same as what the site gives |
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| android_ | if humanity becomes dependent on a.i. the minority report problem exists |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's right. You are sceptical. But you are right about it. |
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| _Chris_ | So you want that I login over SSH? |
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| android_ | the battery needs charging now |
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| android_ | ssh is a possibility |
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| _Chris_ | Good, because I need a shower now and after that it's getting time for sleep. |
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| android_ | or vnc |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, VNC is some option too. |
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| android_ | vnc through openvpn |
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| _Chris_ | So what do you want to have fixed exactly? |
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| android_ | 'complete desktop environment' |
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| android_ | trinity |
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| _Chris_ | So, you want to have some TDM starting with X, you type in your username and password and TDE starts, right? |
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| _Chris_ | The
reason I asked you you came to TDE was because I don't know if TDE is
the right thing for you. That's maybe some bad advertising, but it's
honest. |
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| android_ | send your pubket in privmsg for copying into a user account for ssh |
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| android_ | tde is based on kde right? |
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| _Chris_ | KDE3, right. |
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| android_ | kvirc can be run in trinity then |
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| _Chris_ | If you are more liking something classical, then it is for you. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, that works :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Have you seen the trinitydesktop.org page? |
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| android_ | yes and a couple other gui softwares |
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| _Chris_ | http://trinitydesktop.org/ |
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| android_ | text editor |
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| _Chris_ | http://trinitydesktop.org/applications.php |
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| _Chris_ | There is a full list. |
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| android_ | dvd player possibly |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, kaffeine, it's basing on gstreamer or xine engine. |
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| android_ | you can watch the dvd if you like |
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| android_ | sony home video |
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| _Chris_ | I have some Sony FW900 CRT 24". |
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| android_ | now the desktop works but there are no window manager bars |
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| _Chris_ | You could download some livd cd to try TDE first. |
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| _Chris_ | Try to start "twin" |
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| _Chris_ | You mean there is now windowmanager? |
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| android_ | no the updated ubuntu is comming along on bittorrent |
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| _Chris_ | *no |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. |
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| android_ | thats what it appears to be |
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| _Chris_ | Always nice to met interesting people on IRC... |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, than try to start "twin" in console. |
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| _Chris_ | Some terminal in TDE/X. |
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| _Chris_ | That should bring up the TDE WM. |
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| android_ | now it is frozen |
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| android_ | login now |
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| android_ | before I lose you |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that seems to be hardware related, or something is really broken in your Ubuntu install. |
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| android_ | send pubkey |
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| _Chris_ | No, not this night. And no, you don't will lose me. I am here 24/7. |
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| _Chris_ | At least I read all every day. |
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| _Chris_ | If I have some spare time tomorrow, I will privmsg you. |
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| _Chris_ | And now, I am AFK. Have a good sleep. Maybe you get it until tomorrow anyway. |
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| android_ | is twin part of trinity |
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| android_ | twin is not installed |
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| _Chris_ | That was what I meant. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly it should be installed with TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe the install got wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | But, if it froze with twin, something started. So this makes no sense. |
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| android_ | it froze while chatting |
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| android_ | twin is not present |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, maybe it is part of tdebase. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it is simply some tdebase package in Debian. Under Gentoo we have splitted ebuilds for it. |
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| android_ | I killed it and let it respawn and checked for twin |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried to start twin in some terminal? |
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| android_ | yes it is not there |
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| android_ | is twin part of trinity? |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/ubuntu/maverick/tdebase/debian/twin-trinity.install |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | It's the WM of Trinity. |
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| android_ | hmm |
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| android_ | looks like trinity install command needs to be rerun then |
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| _Chris_ | Try to reinstall tdebase. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall#For_Quantal_.28Ubuntu_12.10.29 |
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| _Chris_ | sudo aptitude update |
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| _Chris_ | sudo aptitude install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity |
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| android_ | where do I find alpha ssl pubkey? |
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| android_ | yes those are installed |
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| android_ | chris do you really think it bad advertising? |
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| _Chris_ | Try
to re-install them. Read the instructions on the page I linked. I never
tried to install TDE on something different than Gentoo. |
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| android_ | have gentoo also |
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| android_ | some prebuilt binaries shall be used from the gentoo cd |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know. It's just some idea, that you could be happy also with something different. Just some idea. I don't know it. |
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| android_ | ssh |
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| android_ | possibly thttpd |
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| _Chris_ | You
start with some stage3 in Gentoo, you chroot and compile your kernel,
after this you can recompile your whole system. It's very basic than,
without X. |
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| _Chris_ | But it's some different topic. |
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| _Chris_ | But you can install X too. |
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| _Chris_ | Was you a BSD user? |
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| android_ | I have used it yes. |
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| android_ | better man pages |
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| android_ | more detailed userspace tools |
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| _Chris_ | And
because of advertising, it seems simply that you simply want to have
"working". That's maybe the wrong motivation for installing TDE. But
that's maybe not the standpoint from TDE devs. Just my personal. |
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| android_ | such as dsl dialup pptp daemon |
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| _Chris_ | BSD has it's pros, right. |
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| _Chris_ | For BSD people TDE could be nice, because they don't have systemd. |
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| android_ | not bsd but openbsd |
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| android_ | something then broke my bsd |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I say *BSD. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, that's bad. |
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| android_ | it appeared the terminals were connected differently on the vte |
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| _Chris_ | But BSD support is still beeing under work, it's not so simple it seems. Lacking manpower. |
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| _Chris_ | But now, don't get me wrong. I wish you a good night. Was interesting with you :-) |
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| android_ | ans after the break the terminals started acting up |
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| android_ | it uses ufs with ucla partition schemes |
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| android_ | no twin |
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| _Chris_ | No, not today. :-( |
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| android_ | after installing tdebase-trinity, no twin |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
someone knowing better about Debian/Ubuntu can help you with some
commands and all is good, otherwise we will most likely met us tomorrow. |
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| _Chris_ | See you, good night. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
android_ tdebase-trinity on debian jessie installs all base files. twin
included. but no tdm AFAIK.. Thats how i installed it on my older pc
week ago.. So this must be something wrong with android_s ububtuz
install.. |
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| pitriss | android_:
btw why do you use quantal ubuntu which is not supported anymore? there
is precise as LTS, trusty as LTS or Xenial LTS when you really need to
stick with ubuntu and want "stable" system.. I use quote marks because I
never had really stable ubuntu. So i switched to debian years ago |
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| android | how to remove trinity |
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| android | it was there all along but lighydm and gnome covered it up |
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| android | it doesnt work well |
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| android | slow mouse cursor suggest some junk |
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| android | possibly a vnc server loopback |
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| android | how to remove trinity desktop |
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| android | need to catch a break slavekb |
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| android | going on about 6 sign ins now |
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| android | about 1 hour |
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| android | to sign in and disable 2fa for google |
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| android | took multiple hours for the last account |
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| android | not to mention its all fake |
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| android | no security really |
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| android | slavekb |
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| android | Ive had it accept a fake password in the past |
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| android | what a piece of junk |
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| android | where does this google trash come from? |
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| android | it shows the button but doesnt allow a click |
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| android | somebody really screwed google up |
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| android | tjere used to ne something tjere worth using |
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| android | tjen it all turned to garbage |
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| android | theres the butron but nothing happens when pressed |
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| android | gmail says it is offline |
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| android | whatever that means |
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| android | my chrom logs in and comnects but it is called offline mail |
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| android | _chris_ how to rwmove trinity |
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| android | did you install that gatbage on google? |
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| android | cant even access a real email |
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| android | turn on pop and it doesnt use the same password as googles garbage gmail |
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| _Chris_ | android: I don't have real time actually. |
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| android | it says wrong password |
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| _Chris_ | android: You visit google services with konqueror? |
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| android | no trinity |
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| android | how to remove it |
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| android | the quantal package failed to set it up properly |
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| android | now it has jink scattered all over |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
with a browser of trinity, right? It is basing on KHTML, which doesn't
support these fancy ajax features of Web 3.0 today. |
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| android | you snort ajax? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe pitriss can help you with removal, I am really in hurry actually. |
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| _Chris_ | Ajax features. Javascript and so on. |
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| android | javascript works other places |
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| android | it is this google garbage |
|---|
| android | lools like somebody really took a hacksaw to google |
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| _Chris_ | I don't like google anway. AFK for now. |
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| android | it used to work years ago |
|---|
| android | wow google cartoon bullshit |
|---|
| android | it was a viable tool for adults |
|---|
| android | now it is like a worthless playschool junk screen |
|---|
| android | did you install web 3.0 aka trinity on it? |
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| android | cartoon pictures everwhere |
|---|
| android | most of the services are gone |
|---|
| android | google tv gone |
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| android | email broke |
|---|
| android | youtube trashed |
|---|
| android | search functions work intermitenly |
|---|
| android | the only thing ive seen make any improvment in say 5 years is facebook and that is both online and offline |
|---|
| android | they shut down a lot of he stores and opened up a junk-mart wal-mart |
|---|
| android | and the quality of product everwhere took a dive |
|---|
| android | facebook encryptes it's email notifications |
|---|
| android | only external improvment anywhere in say 5 years or more |
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| android | pitriss how to remove trinity |
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| aguitel | trinity is working under debian stretch ? |
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| aguitel | how install networkmanager-applet ? |
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| mirda | trinitydesktop.org website is down |
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| pi__ | hi everyone |
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| pi__ | im a TDE user |
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| pi__ | and i need some help |
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| pi__ | how can i turn off the busy icon when an app starts? |
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| pi__ | thanks |
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| pitriss | lol that pi__ was really patient..:D |
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| a-865 | edit menu is in the main starter context menu, but it doesn't do anything. What's that executable called? |
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| SlavekB | a-865: kmenuedit |
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| a-865 | command not found :-p |
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| SlavekB | package is not installed? |
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| a-865 | guess not, didn't expect that to be a separate package |
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| a-865 | can't keep up with which utils start with K and which with T |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thx :-) |
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| a-865 | I
logged out of working 14.0.4 session on Stretch. Since, trying to start
a session just returns the TDM greeter, even after reboot, and instead
booting multi-user and trying startx just exits. .xsession-errors says
segfault between TDEDIRS: and Starting Trinity .... lines. :-( |
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| a-865 | http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/xsession-errors.txt |
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| SlavekB | It seems like a problem with kgtk-qt3. If package kgtk-qt3-trinity is installed, please, purge it! |
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| a-865 | Oh, and this one has 14.0.5, not 14.0.4 |
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| a-865 | I should have known that. I added gtk3 stuff, and kgtk-qt3, while the TDE session was running. :-p |
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| a-865 | working again :-D |
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| a-865 | I'm the one who filed http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2477 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2477: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tde session won't run if kgtk-qt3-trinity is installed in jessie |
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| a-865 | needs update to include stretch |
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| SlavekB | maybe there's no need to mention distribution - it can be a problem at all times ;) |
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| a-865 | better to not have it imply limitation to jessie |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1165 from PATCHAVAIL to REOPENED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1165 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , broken compizconfig-backend-kconfig |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2825 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2825 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , twin subtle bug with firefox |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2826 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2826 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , ark tries to preview empty folders |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2827 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2827 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , buggy triple click in kmail |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2828 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2828 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , various unicode characters don't show in ubuntu |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2829 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2829 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , bugzilla cuts posts after certain unicode characters |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2830 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2830 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , pinentry-0.9.7-trinity |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2831 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2831 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [fixed in KDE] XMLGUI items (toolbar icons, menu items) from merge sections move or disappear |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1165 from REOPENED to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2832 filed by ray-v@inbox.lv. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2832 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Digikam build fails in matrix.cpp with gcc7 |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2830 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2814 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2814 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, no, nooo, nooooooo! |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2833 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2833 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Port of Breeze window decoration for TDE |
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| __Chris | Is the Berkeley DB absolutely needed for building tdevelop? Because I don't found any related configure switch to exclude it. |
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| __Chris | I tested --disable-sql with no result. |
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| __Chris | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdevelop/commit/?id=e073bebe73e323022db9b62771f4027d1d9479b6 Seems that explains a bit. I forgot to build with camke instead of autoconf. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: I'm not sure but Berkeley DB is not SQL based db.. its simple file db |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Yes, I found out that I had db installed anyway, but the detection is broken for autoconf, cmake version should work. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: ahh.. ok:) |
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| gene83 | anybody home |
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| gene83 | anybody home? |
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| gene83 | kb9vqf: mail server seems to be down, and I've a login problem on one of my machines |
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| Chris__ | "This is most likely because the TQCA TLS plugin is not installed on your system." |
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| Chris__ | I tried to login into my jabber account with kopete. |
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| Chris__ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tqca-tls/ and http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tqca/ I think are the problem. Seems they were not build. |
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| SlavekB | Chris__: tqca-tls is needed for TLS support in Kopete. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: Thanks for verify. I just found it out too. |
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| Chris__ | Now
I don't get that message anymore but I am unable to get some
connection. Some protocol flow error. Seems I have to investigate that
tomorrow. |
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| SlavekB | you need to leave 'off' checkboxes Use protocol encryption (SSL) and Override default server information. |
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| SlavekB | see comment 7 in bug 2669 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2669 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Kopete troubles with TLS |
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| Chris__ | Default server information is the label for the port and server you mean? |
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| Chris__ | So
SSL is not checked and server and port defaults is also not checked,
right? I still get that protocol message with that combination. |
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| Chris__ | Funny, with server overwrite and port 5223 and without SSL checked, I get no message. But seems I am not into my account. |
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| pitriss | Chris__: TLS encryption is on default port of jabber server IIRC, not 5223. SSL was on different port |
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| Chris__ | Today
I did nothing to change, simply started kopete without SSL, without
server overwrite and now it is prompting for password. Thanks. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
Kopete works now. Today I leaved the settings without SSl and without
server overwrite, like I tested yesterday and got password promt. It
works. There was some message yesterday about violating server rules,
maybe I was blocked for some time. |
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| dstolfa | \o |
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| dstolfa | can someone point me to the settings where i can rebind my workspace switching keys? |
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| dstolfa | or -- tell me what they are? :) |
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| pitriss | kcontrol => keyboard shortcuts => global shortcuts |
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| pitriss | dstolfa: ^ |
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| dstolfa | pitriss: thanks! :) |
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| pitriss | dstolfa: yw:) |
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| Chris__ | I
have found the kopete motionaway plugin. Nice idea. That would be
interesting for screensaver on laptops or for dimming backlight of these
panels. |
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| vmarsik | Hi, where can I send you a patch for a SIGSEGV in konversation? |
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| SlavekB | vmarsik: you can fill a bug on Trinity bugzilla. |
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| vmarsik | I'd have to create an account for that |
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| vmarsik | okay, that was simpler than I was afraid |
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| vmarsik | patch sent as Bug 2840 - SIGSEGV in konversation: removeNickFromServer deferences pointer before checking if not null |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2840 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , SIGSEGV in konversation: removeNickFromServer deferences pointer before checking if not null |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB
or pitriss: If you have time and KOffice installed. Would it be
possible to open KSpread and maximize it? I get some graphical tearing
or something like that. I noticed, this is appearing in some other
applications too, but that is something I can reproduce. Maybe it's GPU
related, maybe not. Thanks. |
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| Chris__ | If
you open a new document with it, maximize it, than you get some
graphical artifacts in the left top corner, after normalize it they
stay. If you scroll down and up, all is good again. |
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| pitriss | Chris__: Sorry man.. I have no koffice installed.. I have only open office and still not using it:D |
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| NeuhNeuh | Hello ! |
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| NeuhNeuh | I have a small issue with icons : https://i.imgur.com/SnJEr1b.png |
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| NeuhNeuh | Zoom is in minimal |
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| Chris__ | NeuhNeuh: Maybe I oversee, but what is the problem? No desktop icons, or the way icons are displayed in the folder? |
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| NeuhNeuh | Chris__: No, the problem is zoom is in minimal, and icons are too big |
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| NeuhNeuh | Wait I have a screen with better result |
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| NeuhNeuh | Ah no, I don't have better screen ^^ |
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| NeuhNeuh | I have issue after try to change icon (eg : Switch to random icon theme) and back to Crystal SVG |
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| Chris__ | No, I understand. Have you switched back to symbolic view one time? |
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| NeuhNeuh | Chris__: Sorry my english is not very well |
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| NeuhNeuh | But icon are too big |
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| NeuhNeuh | Chris__: Icon must be like left panel |
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| NeuhNeuh | And if I change zoom, size of icon don't change |
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| Chris__ | Right. In the menu bar: view -> viewmode -> symbolic/icons. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Chris__: No ok I have find solution :D |
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| NeuhNeuh | View → Icon size → And I have choose Default |
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| Chris__ | Now zooming works again? |
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| NeuhNeuh | No but its good for me with this size |
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| Chris__ | Okay. Hm. |
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| Chris__ | Normaly,
at least in my case, zooming does change the icon size (from normal to
big, or from normal to tiny and so on). Seems your zoom icons are not
working. Why ever. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Chris__: So , I have other issue with adept |
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| NeuhNeuh | When
I try to launch adept, he crash. The output on terminal is « Error:
"/var/tmp/tdecache-fmetton" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. » |
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| NeuhNeuh | Hm. Maybe this bug is already know |
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| Chris__ | NeuhNeuh: I don't know, I am not using debian based distribution and donw know apt. Maybe you can take a look at http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=adept
I am AFK for now. Is all working good otherwise? Which distribution are
you using. Maybe you can wait some time here until someone has some
idea. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Chris__: Ok no problems, thank's for your help |
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| NeuhNeuh | Happy day |
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| SlavekB | it is known that the adept is not good in many ways and it would be difficult to fix it => better not to use it. |
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| NeuhNeuh | SlavekB: Ok |
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| NeuhNeuh | SlavekB: Do you know a good UI for manage package ? Its for a friend not really used to the command line: D |
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| SlavekB | aptitude == ncurses ui :) |
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| NeuhNeuh | SlavekB: Not really for lambda user |
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| NeuhNeuh | (I use apt in CLI if you want to know :D) |
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| SlavekB | possibly synaptic |
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| NeuhNeuh | Okay |
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| SlavekB | however, synaptic can also be too complicated for an ordinary user. |
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| NeuhNeuh | I have maybe find : Ubuntu's software center |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure if Ubuntu's software center also shows the Trinity packages. |
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| NeuhNeuh | So, I have other question : Its possible to use TDE icon on « Non TDE » app ? Example : Quassel don't have icon |
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| * dstolfa waits for TDE to appear on FreeBSD properly to set it up on his workstation @ work |
| * dstolfa uses it on all his Linux systems though |
| pitriss | NeuhNeuh: try kpackage |
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| pitriss | its not as good as adept been back in time but its ok for daily use.. for adwanced work in gui, use synapticv |
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| pitriss | *davanced |
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| pitriss | *advanced |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
is possible to check if app that isnt part of trinity is in fullscreen
mode? I mean, I know its pid, and need to check if its fullscreen or not |
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| dstolfa | i've
been meaning to ask, i wanted to run TDE on FreeBSD, but from what i've
gathered, you have to build everything, though there is no root
makefile/CMakeLists or whatever file that traverses down the subfolders
such as Konsole and so on to build them all and install them all, you
have to do one by one? |
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| SlavekB | dstolfa http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/freebsd?h=r14.0.x |
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| dstolfa | SlavekB: oh, thanks! |
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| dstolfa | i've noticed that TDE FreeBSD just sort of disappeared in master, but is in r14.0.x, why is that? |
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| Chris__ | And Gentoo begins to drop QT4. Time to ditch all remaining non-tde qt-apps it seems. Bye qpdfview, hello kpdf it seems. |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Look what they did to.... Konversation. |
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| __Chris | https://blogs.kde.org/2017/09/05/konversation-2x-2018-new-user-interface-matrix-support-mobile-version |
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| pitriss | __Chris: what the f**k? Oh my.. , my eyes bleed.. |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Just you know. IRC-next with Jabber like Avatars is coming also -> http://ircv3.net |
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| __Chris | Dream
comes true. Editing/deleting messages in IRC, replies, quoting, taging
messages with more or less revevant keywords, avatars and more. |
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| __Chris | Just
wondered why and what is eating so much space. Thanks FSView.
/var/log/messages.old -> 24,84GB. Seems it is time to dump it after
10 years. |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
hehe IRCv3 is without chance to get popular.. cant beat facebook,
whatsapp, viber and many other crappy but popular messengers |
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| __Chris | pitriss:
That's the reason some things should not be changed. But seems it's
backward compatible. So clients don't have to implement it. I don't get
why they want to clone jabber if IRC works as is. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: i dont get these silly ideas too.. Jabber is dying too for the same reason as irc v3 have no chance to get popular |
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| __Chris | Linux
would be better today if it never has been "popular" as desktop system I
think. Sometimes it's good if some things never go mainstream. |
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| __Chris | And I mean popular after let's say 2008 or so. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: yep.. so no Lennarts silly inventions would happen.. PA for sure |
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| __Chris | PA
was called PolyAudio to KDE3 times and years before after what I have
read. Something people laught about or didn't know either. So times
changes. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Do you know how to start kmail in systray with hidden window? Maybe I have overseen some option. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: it works like this for me IIRC |
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| _Chris_ | After tdewallet prompt and entering password, it it's still open for me. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: i really don't remember how it behave.. |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. If someone knows, let me know about. |
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| pitriss | its so common thing for years I'm using KDE3.5 / trinity.. and still the same setting, still the same behavior:D |
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| _Chris_ | Right. I can exactly understand you. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: anyway.. it is scriptable.. open your kmail and try this in terminal: dcop kmail kmail-mainwindow#1 minimize |
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| pitriss | so you can run script in tde autostart which try this until it return status minimized and then ends |
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| pitriss | [22:08:53]
<pitriss> _Chris_: anyway.. it is scriptable.. open your kmail
and try this in terminal: dcop kmail kmail-mainwindow#1 minimize |
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| pitriss | [22:09:54] <pitriss> so you can run script in tde autostart which try this until it return status minimized and then ends |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: but you can fill bug report and mar this as feature request/enhancement |
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| pitriss | *mark |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Right, we have dcop. Works, but I am sure there has to be some option. You said it's working exactly this way for you. |
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| pitriss | just rebooted.. needed to check if my graphics driver works properly and stays in panel.. so sorry for bad informations |
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| _Chris_ | I had to reboot too. Have I missed something? |
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| pitriss | *and kmail |
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| pitriss | nope.. kmail stays in panel for me:) |
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| pitriss | so sorry.. i didnt remembered it correctly:( |
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| _Chris_ | So there is a setting I simply miss. |
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| pitriss | no it isnt.. |
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| pitriss | but it shouldnt be hard to add such feature.. which is logical to have.. |
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| pitriss | when it supports tray, there should be way to start it hidden |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | Why do I think that is still missing in KDE 5? I found something for KDE4. |
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| _Chris_ | qdbus org.kde.kmail /kmail/kmail_mainwindow_1 hide |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly what you suggested pitriss. |
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| _Chris_ | Just with qdbus now instead of dcop. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: please is hard to implement option for kmail to start hidden in tray? |
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| SlavekB | I would have to check out the source code... |
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| _Chris_ | http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/6219/kmail-how-to-start-kmail-minimized-to-icon-in-tray.html |
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| _Chris_ | After 13 years a dream comes true then. |
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| SlavekB | That's a good challenge! :) |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe we can reply to this topic, trinity did it. Smile. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Kopete behave exactly like that, maybe it's possible to borrow some code of it? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Because we are at the topic. TLS option in KMail is meant to be startls
and right option for TLS is SSL with 993 for IMAP for example? I ask
because the slight confusion in kopete/jabber some days before. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Hello ! :) |
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| NeuhNeuh | I try to use compiz with Trinity, but when I launch « compiz --replace » I get this two lines : |
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| NeuhNeuh | /opt/trinity/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Another composite manager is already running on screen: 0 |
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| NeuhNeuh | /opt/trinity/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0 |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_:
In KMail are variants SSL or TLS. SSL mean to use encryption from
beginning of communication == 993 (imaps), 465 (smtps). TLS mean to use
standard ports for plain communication == 143 (imap), 25 or 587 (smtp)
and then use command StartTLS to switch to encryption. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
So exactly like I said and it is already with kopete. So maybe it would
make sense to call it StartTLS then instead of TLS? And to rename SSL
to something like "SSL/TLS"? |
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| _Chris_ | NeuhNeuh: Just some blind guessing. Are you using TDE with compositing features on? |
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| NeuhNeuh | _Chris_: Hello, heu .. How check ? :D |
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| NeuhNeuh | Ah |
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| NeuhNeuh | Yes « Enable the Trinity window composition manager » |
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| NeuhNeuh | I uncheck and try again |
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| Chris__ | NeuhNeuh: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2839 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2839: major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , compiz conflicts with twin |
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| Chris__ | Maybe it's related. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Chris__: I have other thing. I don't have message (I Must looking for that), but I get this output : |
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| NeuhNeuh | https://pastebin.com/hcf5xE1n |
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| Chris__ | http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2838 too. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2838: major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , drop support for old compiz |
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| dstolfa | SlavekB: hey, could you explain why the master branch of TDE doesn't have FreeBSD, but the release one does? |
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| Chris__ | NeuhNeuh:
"/opt/trinity/bin/compiz.real: symbol lookup error:
/opt/trinity/lib/libcompizconfig.so.0: undefined symbol:
ccsLoadPlugins". Seems that this has something to do with the things
described in the reports I linked. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Yes its work o/ Thank's |
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| NeuhNeuh | Yes Chris__ I have removed all related package :D |
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| NeuhNeuh | Thank's |
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| Chris__ | NeuhNeuh: What did you do? |
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| Chris__ | Right. |
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| NeuhNeuh | ^^ |
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| Chris__ | Smile. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Now, I must put hand into engine and config it :D |
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| Chris__ | But good it works now. Good to know for other people. |
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| pitriss | guys i wanted to ask.. where I can put some commands which i want to have them executed when TDM starts |
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| pitriss | eg i have keyboard with backlight and I would love to call command which will lit my keyboard when tdm kicks in |
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| Chris__ | pitriss: I think I was knowing that some months before, but not now anymore. |
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| pitriss | Chris__: tdmrc seems promising but.. its part of package i guess so it will be changed after upgrade.. |
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| Chris__ | pitriss: You can lit the keyboard over command? Can I ask you what keyboard you have? |
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| Chris__ | pitriss:
Ah, for that we have etc-update in Gentoo, to protect such changed
config files or merge the new changes if possible. :-) |
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| pitriss | Logitech G710+ i bought used one few days ago.. its in perfect shape and I love its switches:D |
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| pitriss | I
needed driver from github but it works like charm.. and I found cli app
in one fork of this driver.. so i compiled it too and used cli app with
latest driver:) |
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| Chris__ | Nice
to know. I have some Saitek Eclipse II at this machine. All with some
buttons to change backlight color and intensity. Works great. |
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| pitriss | its way smooter to use app than writing into /sys :) |
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| Chris__ | That sounds interesting. |
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| Chris__ | Ah, mechanical switches. |
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| pitriss | yeah Cherry MX brown |
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| pitriss | its new level of comfort i never experienced before.. |
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| Chris__ | Never tested mechanical switches, but heard something good about them. Maybe it's time for some new keyboard for some machine. |
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| pitriss | hehe to be honest.. after 3 days using this beauty.. ..my hands was getting tired so quickly on shitty keyboard at work:D |
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| pitriss | all
these stuck and hard to press keys with no feedback.. aww.. I hate that
genius crap at work.. I will need to buy some cheapo mechanical
keyboard for my work |
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| Chris__ | Genius,
you mean the brand? I know them good.... Never again. From keyboards,
over soundcards without HW-mixing to speakers. Okay not really bad
quality, but you can get something better. But that was long ago, was
not knowing they are in business still. |
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| pitriss | http://www.connectit-europe.com/en/product/mechanical-gaming-keyboard-evogear/
this one doesnt look bad at its price.. its using linear chinese clones
of cherry MX red switches with slightly higher actuation force than my
MX brown.. could be good.. |
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| pitriss | yep that brand:D |
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| Chris__ | http://www.genius-europe.com/ |
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| pitriss | i just got that thing as external one for my laptop.. but its Pain to work on that:D |
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| pitriss | yeah them.. |
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| Chris__ | Chinse
is not bad in general. I like A4Tech if you know. For the money these
are good devices. Mouse/Keyboard. I just know their mouse. |
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| pitriss | yeah before this logitech i used 10 year old a4tech |
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| NeuhNeuh | Sorry, i'm back :) |
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| pitriss | but now i'm using both input devices from logitech.. Logitech marble mouse and this G710+ |
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| Chris__ | I have some firegliders. Sharkon. Re-labeled A4Tech. |
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| Chris__ | And the are working fine under linux. |
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| NeuhNeuh | Its strange, because compiz don't launch /opt/trinity/bin/tde-window-decorator. I'm googling about that |
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| Chris__ | I am AFK for now. |
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| pitriss | NeuhNeuh: sorry I never used compiz with KDE 3.5 / trinity.. I was using trinity compositor back in the days of KDE 3.5 |
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| NeuhNeuh | ./usr/bin/compiz (core) - Error: Failed to load plugin: decor |
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| NeuhNeuh | I must googling on that |
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| pitriss | it was nice to have real transparency.. but I have no use for it now.. so I didn't bothered to even enable that.. |
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| NeuhNeuh | :x |
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| pitriss | NeuhNeuh: but in general I think compiz have its own decorator |
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| pitriss | when
you do --replace AFAIK Twin is replaced by another window decorator..
At least that I remember from the past when I tried KDE 3.5 with openbox |
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| NeuhNeuh | Yes but compiz don't load decorator plugin, but its maybe more a « compiz » (or ubuntu) related problem |
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| pitriss | but i can be wrong as it was many years ago:) |
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| pitriss | yeah that I'm trying to say.. it can be problem of compiz itself, not trinitys fault:) |
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| pitriss | NeuhNeuh: try to find some logs and look there for more detailed error.. It can help you a lot.. Logs are your friend;) |
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| pitriss | NeuhNeuh: maybe ~/.xsession-errors could be good start |
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| NeuhNeuh | pitriss: I'm playing with --debug too |
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| NeuhNeuh | (I launch compiz from terminal for test) |
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| pitriss | k |
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| pitriss | good luck NeuhNeuh with compiz.. I need to go to sleep..:) |
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| pitriss | Night all |
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| NeuhNeuh | :D |
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| NeuhNeuh | pitriss: Good night ^^ |
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| Chris__ | Good Night pitriss. |
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| Chris__ | NeuhNeuh: Maybe try to run compiz without trinity alone to test if it is some ubuntu related problem? Good Night. |
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| pitriss | hey
guys, does anybody know where I should put script that is executed at
TDM start and will survive update of xorg and/or trinity? |
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| pitriss | Chris__: hmm I guess.. that file what i'm searching for is /etc/trinity/tdm/Xsetup |
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| Chris__ | pitriss: Does it work this way? |
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| pitriss | Chris__: it should as i found my customization there |
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| pitriss | i have there: /usr/bin/numlockx on |
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| pitriss | so it should work as expected.. so some xmodmap magic and xbindkeys could be also possible.. |
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| pitriss | eg
make multimedia part of my keyboard working even during loginscreen..
could be nice to start mpd on login and control its volume:) |
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| Chris__ | pitriss: Right, that would be interesting. |
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| pitriss | Chris__:
i don't expect there would be possible to use standard multimedia keys
extensions but i'm not affraid of a bit of scripting:D |
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| pitriss | Chris__:
ok so its confirmed. I created simple script which checks if correct
driver is loaded and if yes, set correct backlight level for my keyboard
and calling it from that file.. works like charm |
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| pitriss | when tdm loads, keyboard is lit:) |
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| pitriss | so its easier to type password in the dark (without need to press button to enable backlight) |
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| Aristide | Hello ! |
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| Aristide | Its fun to access to imaps with Konqueror https://i.imgur.com/WVG2bXv.png ^^ |
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| Chris__ | pitriss: Nice. Good to know. Maybe something for the Wiki? Tips and tricks? |
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| Chris__ | Aristide: Yes, that's tdeio. There would be a lot possible in theory. |
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| Aristide | Chris__: Yes I like KIO :D And I like tdeio too by extension ^^ |
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| Chris__ | Aristide: The idea was and is very nice. Some unix thinking. All is a file. |
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| Aristide | :) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Did you know Operas presto engine source code was leaked? |
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| _Chris_ | Opera
was using QT3 and was integrated into KDE3 as far as I remember. You
can build it on Linux and some people did it already. Sounds
interesting. |
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| * _Chris_ dreams from a konqueror using presto engine too. Giggle. |
| _Chris_ | As far as I have understand, the code was sitting on github for one year until someone noticed it. |
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| _Chris_ | https://bitbucket.org/prestocore-fan/presto |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/PrestoXen/openopera-patches |
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| _Chris_ | Just if someone has interest. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
interesting. I am still trying to build Opera. Seems they introduced
some sort of layer between toolkits. There are GTK2, GTK3, KDE4. So they
are using their native widgets than. So in theory it would be possible
to add some TQT3/TDE module, so it is using TDEs matove widgets like
file chooser, print dialog and so on. Just in theory, put possible. The
code is not under an open source license, but it could be hosted in form
of |
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| _Chris_ | patches,
like for LO. I am not sure if this is the full Opera 12.15 source code
or simply the engine. But seems you can build a fully working 12.15,
which playes youtube with HTML5... |
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| _Chris_ | *native |
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| Chris_ | Nice, Opera has build and it runs now. Never mind to see that in my life. |
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| Chris_ | Seems
that it is using GTK2 backend for widgets, because I have build without
GTK3 and KDE4 integration, so it uses GTK2-EngineTrinity which results
in crash. |
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| _Chris_ | I
fixed it. It was not the trinity-gtk2-engine. It was simply the fact
Opera don't liked to be compiled with GCC 5.4 withou
-fno-delete-null-pointer-checks. Now it works. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: By the way. Does TDE build with LibreSSL too? |
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| Aristide | Hello ! |
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| Aristide | Use WebEngine on Konqueror (like KF5) can be a good idea :x |
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| __Chris | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/05/intels-management-engine-security-hazard-and-users-need-way-disable-it |
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| __Chris | And for other interested: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/09/open-letter-w3c-director-ceo-team-and-membership
The web is getting more bad every day. I remember times when valid
XHTML 1.0 strict was something you was proud of and JS was something for
kids, or at best used when there was no other solution. Time changes. |
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| mirda | SlavekB: please is kpilot fixed in latest R14? it had an empty package in first release of R14 |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/commit/?h=r14.0.x&id=e9807da7 |
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| SlavekB | Fixed in R14.0.3 |
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| mirda | ok, thank you |
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| mirda | SlavekB: is still possible to upgrade TDE 3.5.13.2 to R14 without any difficulties? |
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| SlavekB | Yes. |
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| SlavekB | I continually test the update from 3.5.13.2 to R14.0.5~pre :) |
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| mirda | thank you:) |
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| Aristide | https://i.imgur.com/HRPCjPP.png I like apt:// TDEIO Slave :D |
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| Aristide | Hello ! :) |
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| Aristide | I try to use TDE theme into GTK apps, I use this « https://www.trinitydesktop.org/faq/non-tde-apps.php » document, but I don't find « qt-gtk-engine » package |
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| Aristide | When I use « use TDE Theme into GTK » I get a ugly window with translucid fonts :x |
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| Aristide | OK I have found a solution ^^ |
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| Aristide | Use a RPM package lol |
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| Aristide | gtk-qt-engine-0.8-4.el5.x86_64.rpm |
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| Aristide | But some apps are rendered with transparent fonts lol (and black window) |
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| pitriss | Aristide: i have no such issues... |
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| pitriss | Aristide: and I'm using devuan jessie without qtcurve on my workstation.. |
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| pitriss | anyway.. night all.. I'm going to sleep |
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| Aristide | pitriss: Ok I use Ubuntu 16.04 :( |
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| Aristide | (And I use Keramik Theme) |
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| pitriss | Aristide: ubuntu should be really simmilar so it should work |
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| Aristide | pitriss: Yes its work now, but only for GTK2, not GTK3 |
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| Aristide | But forget about that, I only use Firefox or chromium in gtk app ^^ |
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| pitriss | Aristide:
ahh gtk3 is bit buggy still.. and AFAIK its not so easy to implement
that as GTK3 had quite nuch changes between versions |
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| Aristide | Ah :x |
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| Aristide | pitriss: I know why I don't like GTK ^^ |
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| raso | Hi, under debian stretch, if I try to update binutils (from 2.25 to 2.28) trinity packages are removed. |
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| raso | what can I do to have both up to date binutils and trinity? |
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| SlavekB | raso:
you need to rebuild libr package with binutils 2.28. Btw, in Buster are
binutils 2.29.1 and libr in Preliminary Stable Builds repository is
already built for this version. |
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| raso | Thank
you SlavekB ! hum... not sure which way to go. I like the ease of not
compiling by switching to buster, but unsure about the risk :-) |
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| SlavekB | For binutils 2.28 you can use libr that was built for Ubuntu 17.04. |
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| raso | SlavekB: thanks again. I ended up rebuilding libr. Now I can install those annoying broadcom wireless drivers. |
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| SlavekB | good choice - the libr is small and easy to build :) |
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| Aristide | Hello, about GTK+ Theme API : |
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| Aristide | «
[08/10/2017 - 16:58:05] <hazzy> Aristide: I have a feeling the
theming API will stabilize pretty soon. It is still quite new » |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
Just for pre-information. With latest xine-lib, I can't build kaffeine
anymore. Seems xine-utils api changed. Maybe it's just some typo or so
from xine devs. I am using latest xine-lib HQ dev branch. If this don't
change, maybe it has to be fixed. Amarok still builds fine. |
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| SlavekB | thank you for the warning |
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| Chris_ | No, they changing in the config. |
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| Chris_ | " |
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| Chris_ | In file included from /usr/include/xine/xineutils.h:41:0, |
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| Chris_ | from xine_part.cpp:51: |
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| Chris_ | /usr/include/xine/configfile.h: Im globalen Gültigkeitsbereich: |
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| Chris_ | /usr/include/xine/configfile.h:239:53: Fehler: expected »,« or »...« before »this« |
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| Chris_ | Let's wait if xine people fix it, because normaly next release is a minor one. |
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| Chris_ | How
can I disable gtk-trinity-engine for specific programs? My selfbuild
presto-based Opera is having the same graphical problems with it like
the LO-trinity integration had. Is there any way? |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Just for further information, the change which breaks kaffeine is -> https://anonscm.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib-1.2/rev/4b5f7165cbab |
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| Aristide | Hello ! |
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| Aristide | Happy news https://blog.gtk.org/2016/09/01/versioning-and-long-term-stability-promise-in-gtk/ :D |
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| Aristide | But apparently it's still the bazaar x) |
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| __Chris | Nice, do we need GTK anyway after GTK2? :-P |
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| __Chris | That
is nice, after nearly.... 10 years? Sounds like a joke, after what they
did to GNOME and so on. Maybe I am just to pessimistic, but I don't
believe this people nothing anymore. I mean it's nice if TDE can fund on
a stable API for theming engine then. |
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| dstolfa | __Chris: GNOME is long gone IMO :P |
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| __Chris | Right,
but maybe they will start with GTK4 now and all people will join that
effort too and we have the same problems like before. Ah, I am getting
old. I am sorry. |
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| dstolfa | __Chris: i guess that's just how GNOME devs work :P |
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| __Chris | I
liked GNOME2, it was some alternative to KDE, a legit one. But they
started this mobile crap efforts. How many people you know using
desktops on tableds anyway? |
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| pitriss | Aristide: In czech, ppl often says that only fools are happy from promises :D |
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| pitriss | btw hi guys |
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| __Chris | Hi pitriss. |
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| __Chris | But in general, yes, it's a good thing for people to have a stable base for integration or so. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: of course.. it is.. but IF its not only promise.. Deeds are that what counts |
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| __Chris | pitriss:
Please don't be so harsh. You have to understand this promise is just
out since some days. To be clear. Since over a year. They needs more
time, just logical. *ironie off* :-) |
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| pitriss | __Chris: LOL.. yeah its so young project.. GTK3 is here only few years so they had no time to stabilise it yet:D poor devs...:D |
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| __Chris | Making QT3 great again :-) |
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| pitriss | i should be less sarcastic.. at least sometimes:D |
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| __Chris | Ah, you need to be sarcastic to stay strong against this new shiny world. |
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| pitriss | yeah..
qt3 is not perfect but on other hand.. its stable.. but yeah it would
need way too much devs to make bindings to current world.. |
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| __Chris | I
joined some channel some weeks ago and there was some announcement NOT
to start conversations about PulseAudio or stystemd. Funny. |
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| __Chris | There is nothing wrong to envolve slowly as base toolkit. Look what they did with HTML. |
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| __Chris | EME is now official recommended. |
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| __Chris | Living "standard". |
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| pitriss | __Chris: i think i can love such channel:D |
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| __Chris | Ah, I just start to be angry again thinking about all that. |
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| pitriss | yeah I knew many years ago why to quit webdev career:) |
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| pitriss | It was when they started to work on html5.. It was sure thing that this bloatware doesnt bring any good to internet.. |
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| __Chris | But there is no one doing something about that. In some years HTTP2 will be default, new challenges for tdeio_http_slave. |
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| __Chris | Yes, google did it. |
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| pitriss | now.. javascript, html5 and browser can almost kill your quadcore machine:) |
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| __Chris | They formed this... whats.... no plan group. |
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| __Chris | Competition for the W3C and now they are ruling the W3C. |
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| __Chris | HTML5 is ruled by some Google guy. |
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| pitriss | btw i read some article that thepiratebay site using some cryptocurrency mining javascript instead of ads:D |
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| __Chris | Has you read my OpenOpera experiment pitriss? |
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| __Chris | If not read the backlog where you was offline. I build Opera 12.15/presto engine from the leaked sources. Is interesting. |
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| __Chris | Sadly they ditches some versions before QT3 engine for Opera. Otherwise it would be perfectly integrated into TDE. |
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| pitriss | nope.. ill look at it when i stop swearing at myself:D |
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| __Chris | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/opera-presto-source-code-leaks-online/ |
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| pitriss | I
did it again.. I didn't stored deb packages of version of vacuum im
that i'm currently using..:D (its alpha version.. stable but still,
alpha) and now i need to try latest as we finaly upgraded our ancient
ejabberd and now it supports another standard for storing history on
server.. |
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| pitriss | and vacuum im that I'm using supports only that old method.. |
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| __Chris | And, it's really fast I have to say. Still strugling for getting youtube and so on to work, but it's possible too. |
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| pitriss | I'm just aging old fool.. damn:D |
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| __Chris | Oh, that's bad. |
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| pitriss | I need to risk that..:D |
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| pitriss | https://askubuntu.com/questions/592551/how-to-create-a-deb-file-from-installed-package //its worth try..:D |
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| __Chris | Ah, back in my debian time I changed RPMs to DEBs. That was also such a thing. |
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| pitriss | yeah i was used to alien to do this:D |
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| pitriss | but its dirty way.. better is to self compile it into /opt or /usr/local |
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| pitriss | repack
did something.. could be enough for now.. theres no law that can
protect me from my own stupidity:D Now i'm going to risk that new
version.:D |
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| __Chris | I am stuck to Gentoo since....10 years or so? I am feeling stupid under some other distributions. |
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| __Chris | Living in the blackbox, until the point comes they ditch xorg away too. |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
xorg is not a must:D theres framebuffer, mplayer can use it, we would
need some browser that can use it too..:D rest already exists:D |
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| __Chris | Yes, we can port TDE to framebuffer. |
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| __Chris | Qtopia/QTembbeded. |
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| __Chris | OPIE is basing on QT2emmbeded and also outputting to framebuffer. |
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| pitriss | oh your idea goes bit further than mine.. great |
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| __Chris | I
investigated this, because I was thinking about some open smartphone.
Complex thing. There is need for some system other than android,
otherwise the hardware is here. |
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| pitriss | ohh |
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| pitriss | BTW
good news.. that new version seems as stable even with selfcompiled
extra plugins.. but serverside history still doesnt work:/ |
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| __Chris | Is that for your own jabber server prokect from your friend and you? |
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| freedomrun | hi |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
yes thats our project.. we decided to upgrade it, and consolide it a
bit.. as there is plenty unmaintained vulnerable services so ve chosen
more safe server layout (separated webserver and jabber machine)
upgraded jabber server etc.. |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
problem is that previous specification for server stroed history was
xep-136 and it is not availably for any recent version of any jabber
server software |
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| pitriss | hey freedomrun |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
and devs of vacuum im are so narrow minded and don't want to implement
that new specification (xep 313) because its not approved by xmpp
comitee |
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| pitriss | __Chris: and they dont care that xep-313 is implemented in every common jabber server..:/// |
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| __Chris | Oh, interesting. I only know prosody. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: the same change is in prosody 0.4 what i read in one comment under feature request on vacuum-im |
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| __Chris | Okay, will that impact kopete? |
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| pitriss | __Chris:
every common jabber server have support for (experimental) XEP-0313 and
some product contributor answer something like "Its still enough time
to implement this, its still experimental" |
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| pitriss | how stupid such person must be.. |
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| pitriss | but.. i guess.. he will be forced to work on that.. :D hes using our server:D |
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| pitriss | i dont think so.. kopete doesnt use this at all.. |
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| pitriss | at least as far as I know |
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| pitriss | kopete stores only local history |
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| pitriss | and MAM and mod_archive are about server side stored history |
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| pitriss | (so you have your backlogs everywhere you connect when client supports it) |
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| __Chris | What are you using for Jabber pitriss? |
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| __Chris | Jabber Client. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: vacuum :) really nice client in qt4 |
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| _Chris_ | Material
design is coming. I did have fun already with this new youtube design. I
can remember bashing about material design a year ago or so. Here we
are. it's coming. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16539#p120646 |
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| _Chris_ | https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/29/youtubes-big-makeover-continues-with-redesigned-mobile-app-new-logo-and-more/ It's not enough JavaScript. We need more :-) |
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| pitriss | yeah, world is doomed already.. :D They do such great job towards that goal:D |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: I reported the kaffeine break because this xine-lib change to the two devs of xine-lib. Let's see what comes out. |
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| Chris__ | And here we are. Seems to be fixed already now :-) |
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| Chris__ | https://anonscm.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib-1.2/rev/92b56cd7193d |
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| Chris__ | I will try to compile kaffeine and amarok now. |
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| Chris__ | Kaffeine -> Works :-) |
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| Chris__ | Amarok -> Works too :-) |
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| SlavekB | Chris__: Good news, thank you |
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| a-865 | is
double-clicking the titlebar to reduce the window size to only the
titlebar something that is configurable through TCC/KControl? |
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| a-865 | TDE routinely things my single clicks are double clicks :-( |
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| a-865 | TDE routinely thinks my single clicks are double clicks :-( but I think I found how to turn it off :-) |
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| pitriss | a-865: Maybe switches in your mouse are simply worn out?:) |
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| a-865 | I don't have a mouse. It's a trackball. :-) I'm not seeing apparent double clicks elsewhere - so far. :-p |
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| pitriss | a-865: hehe i have also trackball.. (logitech marble mouse) but buttons can wear out even there.. But yeah, it takes few years |
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| a-865 | pitriss: also logitech marble "mouse", used only part time (not on primary PC) |
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| mirda | hey, please can you help me with this problem? |
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| mirda | i have debian wheezy 64bit |
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| mirda | TDE 3.5.13.2 |
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| mirda | I
replaced my GPU, before was Nvidia GTX 460 v2, now is Nvidia GT 730,
driver is both (before and after change) 384.90 - supports both of the
GPUs |
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| mirda | but
with GT 730, after a modification of metamodes in xorg.conf, TDM won't
start, only shows "busy" mouse cursor but then it fails to start |
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| mirda | startx from console runs as expected |
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| mirda | but sudo /etc/init.d/kdm-trinity restart does nothing, it only blinks with monitor |
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| SlavekB | Something useful in /var/log/XOrg.0.log or /var/log/kdm.log? |
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| mirda | only last line: server terminated successfully |
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| mirda | https://pastebin.com/G2wAVzY1 |
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| SlavekB | You have MetaMode for DVI-D-0, but on new card are CRT-0, DFP-0 and DFP-1. |
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| mirda | ahh stupid error, i didn't checked it right then |
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| mirda | thank you |
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| mirda | uh, no, it didn't help:( it is the same after reboot |
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| mirda | please where can I find why kdmgreet crashes? |
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| mirda | in /var/log/kdm.log: |
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| mirda | [kcrash] KCrash: Application 'kdmgreet' crashing... |
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| mirda | Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. |
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| SlavekB | kgtk-qt3-trinity is purged? |
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| mirda | it is not installed |
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| SlavekB | sorry, I have to go to the bus... |
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| mirda | it should be installed or not? |
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| mirda | ah okay |
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| mirda | np |
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| SlavekB | not! |
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| mirda | oki thanks |
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| SlavekB | kgtk-qt3-trinity is wrong package... |
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| mirda | SlavekB: so i updated TDE 3.5.13.2 to R14 and login works as expected (my error from yesterday - unable to run kdm-trinity) |
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| mirda | there was some error with kdmgreet crash in kdm.log |
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| mirda | but
now in R14, i have a dialog window with message: TQSettings::sync:
failed to open '/etc/tqt3/tqt_plugins_3.5rc.tmp' for writing |
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| mirda | that file exists and belongs to root:root |
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| mirda | ahh without .tmp |
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| SlavekB | this should not be a problem, only warning |
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| mirda | ah okay, i hope that dialog window which steals focus will not show anymore |
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| mirda | i created that file with my user as owner |
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| mirda | thank you for your help |
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| __Chris | Hm, for that message there is a bug reported as I know. I think I have seens that several times too. |
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| mirda | https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2276 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2276: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Many TDE programs cause log errors about TQSettings::sync writing to /etc |
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| __Chris | Right mirda. |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: Thanks for the new commits :-) |
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| SlavekB | ...after a long time, I found some time for TDE :) |
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| __Chris | Yes, thank you again, makes me looking in the future -> GCC7 :-) |
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| __Chris | So after this bugreport, it seems this file don't need to be written to, right? |
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| __Chris | I don't have that file anyway it seems. |
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| mirda | /etc/tqt3/tqt_plugins_3.5rc.tmp doesn't exist but /etc/tqt3/tqt_plugins_3.5rc does |
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| SlavekB | this messasge is normally only visible in ~/.xsessions-errors |
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| __Chris | Yes, but outputting it seems not to be needed or at least why there is some try to create this tempfile? |
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| a-865 | /opt/trinity/bin/starttde is missing on my fresh Mageia 6 install. What package is supposed to provide it? trinity-tdebase? |
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| a-865 | oops, trinity-tdebase didn't get installed :-p |
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| tmiller | Just installed trinity on a fresh Debian Stretch install. |
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| tmiller | Mostly smooth, but 1 question if anyone's active. |
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| tmiller | https://thepasteb.in/p/GZhW5Mm22gphV |
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| tmiller | However,
it does link display-manager.service to tdm.service correctly, and when
pc starts, tdm does run, but doesn't launch. I hate to login
to tty as root and systemctl stop tdm. systemctl start
tdm. Then it launches and I can login with tdm as user and
trinity works fine from there. |
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| pitriss | tmiller:
I'm not much fan and supporter of systemd.. but AFAIK it should launch
even without service file from /etc/init.d or not? |
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| a-865 | need to install trinity on stretch, but there is apparent keyserver problem. Is this known? A04BE668? |
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| a-865 | trying to follow directions on https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| a-865 | gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr': No such file or directory |
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| a-865 | brand new minimal 9.2 installation |
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| a-865 | dirmngr was not installed :-p |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: https://anonscm.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib-1.2/rev/dbfe512a0f31 |
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| Chris__ | I will point them to the TDE sources of kaffeine. |
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| SlavekB | Strange - I do not see such a function in Kaffeine. |
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| Chris__ | The
previous commit fixed to compile error already. I don't know what this
commit should fix. But I am compiling kaffeine with it now and I
reported already the place for finding kaffeine TDE sources, so they can
investigate more. |
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| Chris__ | pitriss: Have already heard about WA (WebAssembly)? The next JavaScript is coming. |
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| Regulator | hey
guys. i'm looking at this image at the bottom. 1. menu,2. applications.
what is the one before taskbar? the applet that allows small
application icons and launchers like windows 'quicklaunch' |
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| pitriss | Regulator: hehe its applet quicklauncher.. I cant say how its called exactly in english as it have localized name for me |
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| pitriss | Regulator: /opt/trinity/share/apps/kicker/applets/quicklauncher.desktop //this thingy:) |
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| pitriss | anyway
i may be wrong as I didnt saw any picture you are refering to:) But
field of small icons used to quick access to apps is quicklauncher |
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| Regulator | dunke mein fruiend |
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| Regulator | zehr gut |
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| paul- | does anybody happen to know what package in the repository has the sound effects for trinity? |
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| Otto44_ | no, but sounds are in /opt/trinity/share/sounds |
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| paul- | so i would need to install the desktop in order to get the sounds to copy over to another machine? |
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| Otto44_ | not sure what you intend to do |
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| paul- | i just wanted the raw .wav and .ogg files so i can copy the sound effects to another computer with another desktop environment |
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| SlavekB | $
dpkg -S /opt/trinity/share/sounds/tdebase-data-trinity,
k3b-data-trinity, kget-trinity, kopete-trinity,
tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity: /opt/trinity/share/sounds |
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| paul- | thanks :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Distributions
are dropping 32Bit support. It's getting more bad. So seems at the end
only Devuan and Gentoo will remain supporting 32Bit. At least in long
term. |
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| dstolfa | d |
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| dstolfa | oops |
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| dstolfa | lol |
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| _Chris|Laptop | Mimimi Kicker :-) |
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| Regulator | print screen no longer bringing up screenshot window, or saving image file |
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| Regulator | what do i need to be running? |
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| Regulator | ah ksnapshot. kkk |
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| SlavekB | you can run khotkeys - with this, print screen key should run ksapshot |
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| a-865 | are the instructions on https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds still not working? |
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| a-865 | for stretch |
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| TomTheDragon | a-865: I've not tried it, don't have a stretch install here. package conflicts? |
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| a-865 | no
idea about conflicts. this is an upgrade where TDE was working fine,
and still does, but with apt errors trying normal upgrade |
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| a-865 | no such problem with same machine and sid |
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| a-865 | sid using stretch tde sources |
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| a-865 | ugh, no tde session in sid |
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| a-865 | tde session in sid not default :-( |
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| a-865 | fixed that with update alternatives |
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| raso | a-865:
FWIW I had minor problem with libr trying to install TDE on stretch.
SlavekB gave me the solution which is to recompile the package. |
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| SlavekB | a-865: Note, you can use 'buster' source for Buster and 'sid' sources for Sid with Preliminary Stable Builds. All are available. |
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| msiism | is TDE intended to be lighter (as in use less resources) than KDE 3? |
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| mirda | msiism: TDE is a fork of KDE 3.5 |
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| mirda | it's circa the same for resources |
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| msiism | i see. |
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| Chris_ | But I think there were several changes to optimize it. |
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| Chris_ | Alone the PNG changes should reduce a bit the memory use. |
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| msiism | Chris_: ok, so that is a goal. nice to know. |
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| Chris_ | Also TDE can use newer GCC, with better optimizing. |
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| msiism | good. an i assume, the project will keep up with future qt versions? |
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| Chris_ | Most
likely not. The TDE devs tested it. But QT4 for example was a lot
slower than QT3. So they are using a fork of QT3, TQT3, which is mostly
QT3. I think to make it to work under wayland there was the idea to use
GTK3 rendering within TQT3. But I am not sure if this is still a plan. |
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| Chris_ | I
think there is still some plan to use QT4 features within TQT3. So
konqueror could use webkit for example. But I am not sure that is still
some goal. |
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| msiism | ok, i see. well, if TQT works well, fine. i rellay try to avoid gtk3, though. |
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| Chris_ | Right,
there were some discussions about that already. Maybe it will be just
some option for make it to work under Wayland. Seems that it will just
be the rendering. I try to avoid GTK3 too. Which distribution are you
using? |
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| msiism | Devuan |
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| Chris_ | Ah, nice. |
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| msiism | there is also already a devuan-based ditro with TDE |
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| Chris_ | Devuan is against systemd and I think they will support X much longer. So you will be fine with TQT3 then I think. |
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| msiism | ok |
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| msiism | so, tde will also avoid systemd entanglement? |
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| Chris_ | I
am under Gentoo Linux here. But TDE devs have to to something to make
TDE working under modern distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora for
example, so that it get's new users. These distributions are using
wayland only as I know. At least it's the default. |
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| msiism | really? i thought wayland was like a few years away. |
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| Chris_ | No,
it's about choice I think. It works under Debian with systemd too. But
there are things which need to be adopted to make it work under systemd
too. |
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| msiism | yes that's what i meant. avoiding lock.ins. |
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| Chris_ | I
thought that too. I am not sure, but Ubuntu is using wayland, or want
to use it in near future. They also dropped 32Bit support already,
Fedora too. Time is changing.... dragons anywhere. |
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| Chris_ | TDE
is also supporting Networkmanager, but here under Gentoo Linux, I am
using it without it. It's just some optional thing to support. |
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| msiism | And does TDE use policykit? |
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| Chris_ | Devuan
people were here in the channel already, I think there is some theme
for TDE too. Devuan people were very open to include TDE. |
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| Chris_ | Yes, but it's optional too as far as I know. At least if you build from source. |
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| msiism | i think the problem is mainly with manpower atm (for TDE in devuan) |
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| Chris_ | You can build with and without polkit or powerkit and so on the tdelibs. |
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| msiism | ok |
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| Chris_ | There is also work to make TDE running on BSD. But it's a slow progress. |
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| msiism | but there are ready-to-use debian packages from tde itself, aren't there |
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| Chris_ | Yes :-) |
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| msiism | well, and there is interesting competition with Lumina now. |
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| Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/ |
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| Chris_ | Ah, I just have shortly read about lumina. It's basing on QT5, right? |
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| msiism | ok, bookmarking that. |
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| msiism | i think so |
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| Chris_ | I
don't like newer QT anymore. Maybe just psychological. It's ruled by
KDE people now. It's about all this modern things like flat design, 3D,
animations and so on. Maybe that's a wrong view, but it's my feeling. |
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| Chris_ | Many different choices are good to weak monopol. |
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| msiism | ok, i cannot judge. (i'm on a gtk2-only self-assembled desktop environment) |
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| Chris_ | The
new Linux will be optimized only on tablets, will be like windows,
systemd, wayland and so on. I don't have a bright view on the future.
They are killing all the good things of the past. |
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| Chris_ | I liked GTK2 too. I loved the Ubuntu time, between 2005 and 2008. It was the best time. |
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| __Chris | Back
to that time, people were talking in the forums about the future.
Desktop will be only a 3D cube. That was in 2005 or so. I had to smile
when I read that some days ago. |
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| __Chris | Today it's the other way. All is flat. Minimalism. It's better to advertise this way. Evil grin. |
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| msiism | well,
it will remain a question of which distro you will eb using. there's
some good stuff ging on around devuan, voidlinux, alpine maybe (gentoo
also, if you don't care about your electricity bill). |
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| __Chris | There is funtoo too. I think it can use binary packages too. |
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| msiism | __Chris: right, i've heard of that |
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| __Chris | I think Devuan is the choice after Gentoo for me. |
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| __Chris | Alpine is using another libc as I know. musel? |
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| msiism | cool, i think it will be getting better with every release. |
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| msiism | i think it's called "musl", yes. |
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| msiism | and it uses busybox instead of gnu tools |
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| __Chris | Funtoo
is from the founder of Gentoo Linux. He leaved the project for a job of
MS. After that he wanted to go back to Gentoo, but Gentoo people said
now. So he forked Gentoo. But Funtoo is using the base from Gentoo. So
it's okay. |
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| msiism | good to know. |
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| __Chris | What do you mean about the every release? Devuan or Alpine? |
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| msiism | like: i couldn't go back to gentoo, but this fun too... |
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| msiism | devuan |
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| msiism | i don't know alpine that much. |
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| __Chris | Ah, you used Gentoo already? |
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| msiism | i failed miserably, trying. |
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| __Chris | It's more about control. For people having fun to understand things. |
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| msiism | i mean, i got it installed and basically working, but then messed up portage. |
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| __Chris | You learn a lot. |
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| msiism | true |
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| __Chris | Right,
if you start to use some testing ebuilds/packages, then this will
emerge more and more of them. So you get blockers, has to search why
this happens and so on. |
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| __Chris | I started to use Gentoo 10 years ago or so. This system here was never re-installed since then. |
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| msiism | that sounds great. |
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| __Chris | Ubuntu
and other distributions started to change things I don't wanted. They
removed things that I wanted. You had to re-install all the time to do
it properly. I was a fan of the LTS releases some time. Dapper for
example. |
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| __Chris | Yes,
that all good has some drawbacks. If you life that isolated. Against
systemd, against wayland, against networkmanager, against pulseaudio
against all this new shiny things.... You will have absolutely no clue
what is happening now in the "modern" world. Much has changed in debian,
fedora, ubuntu since then. |
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| __Chris | And at some point.... They will infect your system too. The point will come. |
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| msiism | well, nothing against new and shiny as long as it's sane. |
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| __Chris | There
are projects like mate, tde, the windowmanagers basing on X. They all
want to preserve that. But see Mate, they ditched GTK2. |
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| __Chris | Yes,
that's the problem. Open Source is not only about the code, it's also
about philosophy. That's the reason KDE people don't like to use Gnome
things and vice versa. |
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| msiism | i
think there's really a big (if relatively uncoordinated) movement
against the way mainstream linux is taking (TDE is part of it). so, i'm
not too frightened. |
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| __Chris | Look
at openwrt (distribution/firmware for routers) which I used. They
forked the project, because of problems in which are psychological more
than anything else. Now it's the LEDE project. It was not really because
of the code. |
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| msiism | ok, i didn't know that. |
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| __Chris | Big
players like redhat are ruling the development of Linux. I mean also
the kernel. Back in the past people had this vision that all will be
good, if big players start to work on open source. Now they are doing
that. That's nice. But I think there is much influence. |
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| __Chris | There
are a lot of this examples. Look at ffmpeg and libav. Okay, it was also
about the code. But to be really honest: They could have a solution to
make both happy. |
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| __Chris | Or look at cdrutils and wodim(?). Debian people forked it. Not, it was because of licensing not about the code. |
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| msiism | yes,
but the thing with open source also is, that it facilitates parasitic
use of things that you like from things that you don't really like. i
mean, just think of how much Devuan wokr is actually done by the debian
project. |
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| msiism | wodim is pretty broken, afaik. i use genuine cdrtools. |
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| __Chris | I
just hope that Devuan people can base on the Debian work. Like Funtoo
do it with Gentoo. But I fear at some point, that differences will be
too big. It's just some statement from me. Unproved. |
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| __Chris | Right,
but look how many years wodim was (or still is) the choice number one.
And other distributions have followed this. I mean it's okay to have
choice. But... You know. Ah, this makes me so sad all. |
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| __Chris | Which Desktop are you using, which is using GTK2? |
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| msiism | about wodim: i think major distros are back on cdrtools (suse, ubuntu) |
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| __Chris | And
I could follow on. On the web, HTML5, the big players which are
infecting and obsoleting the W3C. We had already some talk about that
here. Smile. |
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| msiism | i'm not using a desktop suite (as i'd call what i commonly termed a desktop environment). |
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| msiism | it's just a bunch of apps put around Openbox and pcmanfm |
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| msiism | or, i3 and pcmanfm (on this account) |
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| __Chris | http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/linux-dist.html |
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| __Chris | If you read this. It's more like major crime. |
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| __Chris | Ah, nice. I did this too. But with windowmaker (windowmaker-crm). |
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| __Chris | But Gentoo (yes, Gentoo) started to remove use flags for building programs with GTK2. |
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| msiism | i
know all that (cdrtools stuff). i've talked to the cdrtools developer
via e-mail a bit a few months ago. the guy is kind of edgy and has
strong opinions against linux. but as far as i can judge, his software
is the real deal. |
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| __Chris | I mean I can add them to local overlay, re-add the build options, but that's not the way to go normaly. |
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| __Chris | That sounds ineresting. Nice to know. |
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| msiism | i also got him to provide checksums for his releases. |
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| __Chris | If
you look at all this windowmanagers from the past. Most don't have any
plan what comes if wayland will be the default. I just hope X will
survive just a long time. |
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| msiism | well, there was an interesting dscussion about that on the devuan forum. maybe that interests you. let me find that. |
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| __Chris | I
think he is more in love with Solaris. But that's okay. It's choice. By
the way. We had and most likely have some user here, which made TDE
work under opensolaris. With some theme for it if I recall right. |
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| __Chris | Yes, I would be interested in that. |
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| msiism | schlling is one of the most experienced solaris experts on the planet, if got that right. so, his tendencies are understandable. |
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| __Chris | Have you read ignorantgurus blog (the author of spacefm)? It's a fork of pcmanfm. |
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| msiism | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=584 |
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| msiism | yes, i have |
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| __Chris | Thank you. |
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| __Chris | "And
with the difficulty Wayland has providing current hardware with video
drivers, I wager it ultimately fails to provide adequate support for
"older hardware"." If you look what is remaining from this support at
least in the kernel and mesa itself. Mesa killed all DRI1 drivers some
years ago. I have several mainboards and machines using IGP chips like
VIA Unichrome and SIS, which worked for office this things very well
with TDE. I |
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| __Chris | tried
to compile them against newer mesa. Kernel devs will kill them anyway
in near future it seems. Because newer support is more important.
ATI/AMD and friends. So older hardware will have problems anyway. |
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| msiism | someone might fix that. |
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| __Chris | And
without 32Bit support, it's senseless anyway. Except if you compile
yourself. Or you are using Devuan. Because of that I just hope very much
on Devuan. The Maemo project (Nokia N900) want to base next Maome
version also on Devuan. |
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| msiism | i don't even have a cell phone. |
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| __Chris | Yes, I just hoped that too. These drivers were removed in.... 2010 or so. |
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| __Chris | I
just meant, that a lot of people are very happy that Devuan exists.
It's a good sign, like you said. I just hope that's enough to "survive". |
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| msiism | i guess it is or will be. |
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| __Chris | Arch Linux was also some alternative. |
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| __Chris | But they switched to systemd too. Dropped 32Bit some months ago. |
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| msiism | there are arch-based projects without systemd though |
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| __Chris | That's nice to know too. You make me a bit more optimistic. |
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| __Chris | Are you having a special reason to avoid GTK3? |
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| msiism | i'm not a developer, but i think i know enough to be able to say that regular api breakage on purpose, is insane. |
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| msiism | also,
installing packages in debian/devuan without adwaita-icon-theme and all
the garbage it drags along saves quite some disk space. |
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| msiism | additonally, i am a member of the endangered species of people who actually use the GTK2 Raleigh "theme". |
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| __Chris | Right,
because of this API breakage the GTK3 engine from TDE is not in a
perfect state one would say. But someone here posted some weeks ago
something about the plan to change this API changes in GTK3. I tested
GTK3 several times. The themes, all kind of problems, the speed, all was
bad in contrast to GTK2. I don't can recall anything to be honest. It's
alone the feeling. I just hoped so much someone will step in and fork
GTK2, |
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| __Chris | because it was and is still working fine for such a broad range of applications. But nothing. |
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| __Chris | Ah
yes, I just looked at this theme at the moment. GTK2 had many themes
and theme engines. It was because development was more a slow evolution
than a fast revolution like it was with GTK3. I see that problem of too
fast development in a lot of areas. It's hurting the hobby programers
which want to contribute. Today you create something and often you have
to adopt it or just re-create it again in some time. No problem for big
players, |
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| __Chris | but for other people. It's just my interpretation of the problem. |
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| __Chris | I
like the Devuan forum alone for the fact that it is properly displayed
with konqueror. The topic was interesting to read. So we hope X will
survive at least until 2024. :-) |
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| msiism | i
think it will. though i do understand people going a different
direction. because Xorg really has ist's quirks and it seems to take a
lifetime to master the mythical depths of it's configuration. |
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| a-865 | gtk3 (under redhat control) is an abomination https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757142 (already being replaced by gtk4), and apple has its finger controlling QT5 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 757142: was not found. |
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| __Chris | a-865:
In how far is apple controlling QT5? I know that they are controlling
CUPS and they have bought out the remaining fingerprinter company, just
to cancel fingerprinters and replace them with 3D scanning. |
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| __Chris | And
about GTK4. Some months ago I made some jokes, that this announcement
about to make the API of GTK3 stable is just because they start GTK4
anyway. Would be funny if this would be real now. |
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| __Chris | Ah I know that bug already a-865. You linked it a half year ago? It seems there was no change to this after all that time. Sad. |
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| a-865 | __Chris: openSUSE users have a solution to that GTK3 obscenity: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1022830 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1022830: was not found. |
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| __Chris | That all reminds me on the cold war. It's kind of funny and sad at the same time. |
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| a-865 | mclasen@redhat.com,
with Wayland as ulterior motive, and RedHat as motivator, produced the
GTK3 problem that is bug 757142 so yes, I too, see the similarity to the
cold war |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=757142 was not found. |
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| __Chris | Some
experience I made with GTK3 under some normal windowmanager was that
the titlebar was doubled. Seems to be the "client side decoration". |
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| __Chris | Things like this: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/ |
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| __Chris | And the typical reactions are something like this: https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd
I was so happy to get two titlebars in my WM. One from GTK3 and one
from my WM. You only can smile about it, otherwise you have to cry :-) |
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| __Chris | In
contrary some people are claiming that TDE/TQT3 is a big security hole.
At least in theory. Because we have every day people claiming they were
hacked or something like this. At least we have proper titlebars. TDE
should advertise with that. *irony off* |
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| __Chris | a-865: Can you show me in how far apple in involved within QT5? I don't find anything special. |
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| __Chris | In
theory I could build Gentoo with musl as libc, rebuild GCC for
libstdc++ and TDE should run with musl. I don't know if someone has
tried to build TDE with musl before. |
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| __Chris | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=CUPS-Drops-GPL-For-Apache |
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| a-865 | __Chris: I don't remember where I saw what I saw |
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| __Chris | But okay, we are warned now. |
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| __Chris | I
just had this idea.... What about some dust indicator for files, which
amount of dust displayed above the file/foler depends on the last access
time or modification time, or something like that? Haha ^^ |
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| Nomad81 | hello. I am on Q4os, a debian based linux with Trinity-desktop. Unfortunatelly they don't have a IRC channel afaik. |
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| Nomad81 | I
was wondering how can i bring back that left konqueror sidebar ,that
showed location shortcuts and such..like 'hime,downloads..etc' ? |
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| Nomad81 | konqueror has only one window,with no side bar in their variant (and/or maybe in all trinity-desktop out there,I dunno) |
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| Nomad81 | home* |
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| Chris_ | Nomad81:
Q4OS is doing several changes to TDE. I still have the titlebar and
sidebar still here under TDE "vanilla" and I don't expect the TDE devs
to do this kind of changes in future... Let me test something. |
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| Chris_ | Try the following: In the menubar -> Windows -> Show navigationbar. |
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| Chris_ | At least here with TDE vanilla, I can show and hide the sidebar exactly like you describe it. |
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| Nomad81 | Chris_, ok let me try |
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| Chris_ | And Q4OS people are welcome here too, of course :-) |
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| Nomad81 | ahh, yes, indeed ,it was there |
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| Nomad81 | after enablibg it ,now i have sidebar |
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| Nomad81 | thanks Chris_ |
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| Chris_ | Nice. If some desktop has options, you don't need magic :-) You are welcome. |
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| Nomad81 | I am a kde 3 die hard,and sicne they scrap it, Im sticking to trinity |
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| Nomad81 | since* |
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| Chris_ | Nice to know. You are very welcome here. Just sometimes it needs some time until someone reply. |
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| Nomad81 | I
know. IN any case, I'll add this channel to autojoin ,so everytime I'm
on, I'll be around.Trinity works so beautifully,light,easy,classic
simple operation. It's a shame doesnt get more attention and support. |
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| Chris_ | The
devuan people are working to include it native. Or has already. At
least they have created also a special theme for devuan too. |
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| Chris_ | Also there are other distributions which has it as default. |
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| Chris_ | People from opensolaris or forkes of them also want or has already added TDE. Also with a special solaris theme :-) |
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| Chris_ | So there is some moving. |
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| Nomad81 | Indeed.
And in the end, for me, doesn't really matter. I will keep my trinity
desktop for as long as this PC will last :-) . It works great,and it
reminds me of the goold old times,sort of speak . I can't help in a
material way,but I can make some wallpapers,or artwork, I like to think
I'm handy with graphics. Take care and thanks |
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| Chris_ | Oh, that would be wonderfully needed here in TDE Nomad81. So stay in contact here. |
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| Nomad81 | TDE Simple wallpaper that I've made today while doing other things. Free to use anywhere,by anyone . |
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| Nomad81 | https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vdOwD-9DtfAAsMD9d-gxJkmicH6G9bIl |
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| Nomad81 | hint> goes well with dark panels and /or themes :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Nomad81: Nice. Thank you. :-) |
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| Nomad81 | _Chris_, You're welcome,glad you like it |
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| Nomad81 | Still
discovering its harder to do in Linux what I could do in windows,
graphics wise, lack of professional apps is Linux's weakness, But I am
setting up a Virtual machine just for that |
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| Nomad81 | Some, not all will run inside it. :-) |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: Are you using 64bit or 32bit on most of your machines? |
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| mirda | hey, konversation every few minutes opens error dialog with message [3] Couldn't resolve host. |
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| mirda | it does even with empty konversationrc file after startup |
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| mirda | wheezy R14 x86_64 |
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| mirda | this behavior started after upgrade from TDE 3.5.15.2 to R14 |
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| mirda | kmail does it too but not that often as konversation |
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| optimus | Anybody know where the trinity standalone download is |
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| optimus | as in iso |
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| _Chris_ | mirda: I get this with KMail too, but only if my connection is lost. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
Have you tried to build tdeioslaves with glibc-2.26? Because it can't
find rpcgen. Seems rpcgen was deprecated since glibc 2.23, but now with
glibc-2.26 it was removed? At least in Gentoo it seems so. |
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| Chris_ | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381391 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 381391: was not found. |
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| Chris_ | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576278 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 576278: was not found. |
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| Chris_ | And libtirpc seems to be no replacement. |
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| Chris_ | Seems tdebase-tdeioslaves needs rpcgen for NFS support. |
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| SlavekB | Chris_: I will run a test on Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful) - here is glibc-2.26. |
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| Chris_ | https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2017-08/msg00010.html -> Search for rpggen. So I don't know if the other distributions are still building with obsolete rpcgen support. |
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| Chris_ | I
just tested rpcsvc-proto as replacement. Now we have rpcgen, but ->
rpc/rpc.h is missing. So I will try something different. |
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| SlavekB | It
seems that on Artful rpcgen is still compiled in glibc, but on Bionic
is no longer in any package... do not know if for now or forever. |
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| Chris_ | But
it is deprecated anyway, so in some time.... that can be maybe a year
or more, sure, it will be removed. So maybe you can note that potential
future problem in the as bug or something like that? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there is no doubt that we will have to deal with this. |
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| Chris_ | I just tested two potential replacements, but that makes no real difference. |
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| Chris_ | So for now it seems I have to custom build glibc-2.26 to build with rpcgen. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe google ripped rpcgen support out of bionic, because it's not needed for Android? Google is fast in ripping out things. |
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| Chris_ | https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/034dbef0c206eba696c47c4daf2c7ce8 |
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| Chris_ | "Option a) is going away with sys-libs/glibc-2.26-r1. " So what exactly version you have running SlavekB? |
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| Chris_ | I am running glibc-2.26-r3 here. |
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| Chris_ | Ah,
seems that's just Gentoo specific addition in release tagging. So it's
maybe just Gentoo removed it's support with removing the use flag. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Where can I find the menu definitions for kicker in the code? Like PuzzleGame and so on? |
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| _Chris_ | Because
it seems some are missing. I have a lot of games on this machine here
and just Arcade and Strategy have categories it seems. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: Now I have to go offline for a few minutes... |
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| _Chris_ | With
dbus-broker we have the systemd like dbus just and only for Linux. It
seems to replace dbus in near future. So good that TDE not switched.
Systems like opensolaris or BSD would be locked out now. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny,
while KDE4/5 and friends invested so much energy to integrate some
things like semantic desktop or desktop search.... 65% of the users
voted on some site not to use it, 12% seldom. Interesting. :-) |
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| rl19 | _Chris_: maybe yo're looking for: /opt/trinity/etc/xdg/menus/tde-applications.menu |
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| rl19 | and /etc/xdg/ |
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| rl19 | and the desktop files are in /opt/trinity/share/applications/tde/. are you looking for that? |
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| _Chris_ | rl19:
Thank you. From quick look it seems this categories are existing and
the specific desktop file has also the category, but it dont't seems to
be shown under this category in the menu. |
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| rl19 | TDE has alos a menu-editor. |
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| _Chris_ | rl19:
No, in my example, it is about the desktop files of the games. I know
where to find the *.desktop files, they include the proper category, but
they don't show up under it in the TDE menu. |
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| rl19 | maybe there are missing in the menu-file? |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
but I just wondered about the deeper "problem" of this. I thought that
maybe some categories are missing, I could add them and maybe they could
be added in the source, so that all is done per default. |
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| rl19 | it's some time ago that i worked with this (: |
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| _Chris_ | You
mean in the *.desktop files? No, at least my examples are having
entries for it. Like "StrategyGame". But there is no category shown. But
for arcade games, with entry ArcadeGame, there is some category shown. |
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| rl19 | i need to go. can you show me later an example? |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. I will take a look at it and report afterwards. Thank you. |
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| rl19 | ah and mybe this is relevant too: /opt/trinity/share/desktop-directories |
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| rl19 | my brain is like a black hole :p |
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| rl19 | worked a month ago on this. |
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| rl19 | bye, see you later. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, nice. I got it. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
categories are indeed missing in the
trinity/etc/xdg/menus/tde-applications.menu file. Like "ActionGame".
After adding that categorie and doing some "tdebuildsycoca" the games
are in the right category. The other "problem" was, that some entries
where in the right subcategorie, but they showed up also in the the
upper category, but with a different name, or no icon. That seems to be
because TDE has a menufile which is staticly |
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| _Chris_ | filled
with some entries. So you have to delete them with the menu editor,
after tdebuildsycoca they will not show up again. So is there a way to
deactivate this global static menu file? |
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| _Chris_ | Most
liekly KDE3 people simply added only categories for which they had an
package/category-icon. Because for action some is missing for example
:-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apb.html -> TDE is already listed. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | AIM will be shutdown now too, after MSN and yahoo the next. Kopete would be sad, I am sure. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny....
Back in the days under KDE3 I used HPLIP for my HP printer, which was
build with QT3 and was integrated well. But one year later or so they
switched to QT4, but now I found out, that was not the case. Gentoo just
didn't build with QT3 support. Now I have seen that it still builds
with --disable-qt3. So I took a look at the source code from HPLIP and
it seems that it still supports QT3 UI. So theoreticaly this could be
build |
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| _Chris_ | against TQT still today and integrate well into TDE :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Have you seen what I wrote some moment ago? Because it seems HPLIP
build on PyQT3 in this case. Is PyQT3 maintained in TDE? |
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| SlavekB | For TDE R14.x is maintainded python-tqt. |
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| _Chris_ | Is python-tqt the same as pyQT3? |
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| SlavekB | there are some diferences. |
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| SlavekB | ...for example, many renamed objects and methods. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, different asked: Is it basing on PyQT3? |
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| _Chris_ | Or some different binding? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, is based on PyQT3. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, the regular QT/TQT renaming stuff, that what you need to do to port regular KDE3 applications to TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | HPLIP is using *.ui files for the interface, with PyQT3. |
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| SlavekB | yes, regular qt/tqt and kde/tde renaming. |
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| _Chris_ | "PyTQt - Python Bindings for the TQt Toolkit" -> From the readme. So my question was not needed. I got it. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/zdohnal/hplip/tree/master/ui And seems to be maintained. Last change 2 years ago, same as QT4 version. Good night. |
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| __Chris | Oh
man. Fighting to get ride of LLVM crap from my machine with r600 mesa
driver here. It seems mesa devs are hardcoding it into mesa gallium
drivers now. I was expecting that LLVM is only needed for the new
llvm-based software renderer in mesa. Anyone here who knows a bit more
about that? |
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| _Chris_ | Interestingly
the mesa/xorg devs are on the way to kill EXA for 2D. So glamor will be
the new default. Glamor does rendering of 2D with OpenGL 3D hardware
features. So maybe wayland with all this 3D compositing stuff or
switching TDE/TQT to output to OpenGL will be not needed anymore,
because they force 3D/OpenGL use anyway for all. At least if the card is
new enough. So if 2D will be mapped to 3D/OpenGL anyway, why
implementing |
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| _Chris_ | OpenGL output directly... |
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| _Chris_ | And
yes, before someone blaims to me that nobody want's to rip out EXA. At
least for ATI R600 DRI3 glamor for 2D is default and EXA is.... "own
risk". Everydays insanity. :-) |
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| Chris_ | When the day when they remove the #include is comig -> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3596147/c-modules-why-were-they-removed-from-c0x-will-they-be-back-later-on#25621565 and people driving that are the ones from MS. Just to kid around with the Java guys I think. |
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| Chris_ | I just hope that will have no impact on TDE. |
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| Chris_ | Would
be interesting if they start to promote something like: "We have to
drop C++98 now, it's too much and legacy". Oh, or better. Making C/C++
to a "living standard" like HTML. That would be fun. |
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| rl19 | Can someone help me with sip? |
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| rl19 | https://ufile.io/a99a5 |
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| Chris_ | What's that rl19? |
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| Chris_ | I am sorry, SIP is something I will investigate in next year. |
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| rl19 | i'm working on an explaination. |
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| rl19 | MY class inhertis from TQPixmap and draws the current Root Pixmap (Desktop Background) on itself. |
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| rl19 | the pure python implementation never worked. |
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| rl19 | so i implemented the same in c++ and exported it with sip. |
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| rl19 | make -f Makefile.librootpixmap && make -f Makefile.main |
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| rl19 | ./main will run an example window using a RootPixmap. |
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| rl19 | when i create the python module, inside the sip folder and run python test.py |
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| rl19 | i got a segmentation fault. |
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| rl19 | the python implementation: https://pastebin.com/4ULQy8KW |
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| rl19 | maybe someone can explain me what i'm doing wrong? |
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| Chris_ | At
least that first part is working on my system. You seems also to use
the SIP from TDE. So that should normaly work. But I am really not into
that. Maybe you can write that to the mailinglist? |
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| rl19 | thank you for testing (: |
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| rl19 | i will do that later, when i'm back. |
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| rl19 | haaa! ist works! |
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| rl19 | without reaching the Ballmer PEak :] |
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| rl19 | i think i was using the wrong flags, while calling the sip binary, not sure. |
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| rl19 | sems i need more time understand how sip is working. |
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| Chris_ | rl19: Wonderfull :-) |
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| rl19 | seems i'm on the right way? http://uc-hq.com/screenshots/pfau__fileview__transparent.png (: |
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| Chris__ | https://bugs.gentoo.org/606132
Gentoo people are also starting to go crazy. Now they are the first
removing working 2D xorg drivers for old GPU chips. Neither Ubuntu or
Debian is doing that. |
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| Chris__ | https://github.com/freedreno/xf86-video-freedreno/commits/master
at least the "freedreno" driver is still under development it seems.
Latest commit end 2016. Ah, I don't get it. Seems there is some reaction
needed. |
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| TomTheDragon | do
I have to do something special to enable alternate window manager in
trinity, none show up in the desktop. I want to debug an issue someone
is having involving mouse not clicking after a while in games, but might
be useful to know if TWIN is really the culprit. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
real life experience: If KDesktop crash while using TDE and you want to
restart it with the "run dialog", you can't do that, because the run
dialog is not showing up without KDesktop it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | I
got xorg building without LLVM now. For getting a HD3850 (R600) to
work, you don't need to build the "radeon" driver. Because this needs
LLVM, but you simply need the "R600" driver. I all the time build the
radeon driver AND r600 driver, because I thought the first is needed for
to later to work. So in 2017, you can still build and run X without
beeing forced to use LLVM bloatware. Good. |
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| __Chris | So
with GIMP getting to the.... dark side (UI, dependencies, GTK3), today
was another application which I had to remove. Goodbye GIMP. |
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| __Chris | Just for feedback. KTorrent is working for me. In fact it works faster and with less RAM/CPU than Deluge. Never mind. |
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| _Chris_ | I just found this: Maybe interesting for people firing up browsers besides Konqueror just for to watch videos: https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer |
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| _Chris_ | Or: https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is TDE supporting C++14? Because Gentoo switched now to it as new default.... |
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| SlavekB | On Fedora >= 26 and newer Debian / Ubuntu is TDE already built with GCC7. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, but does GGC7 already enforce C++14 by default? |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure what C++ dialect is the default for GCC7. |
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| SlavekB | However, there were some fixes related to GCC7. |
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| _Chris_ | I think it is still C++11. Okay, I will try in some days and report. |
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| _Chris_ | "On
the choice between C++11 and C++14, we strongly advise using C++14, as
C++14 has become the default standard with GCC in versions 6.1 and
beyond." |
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| _Chris_ | So yes, it seems TDE works with C++14. I just hope they will slow down a bit in future with their C++ additions. |
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| Borg^Queen | hi
people quick question. I have a laptop here that is not asking for a
password after I reopen the lid, but I can't figure out why. |
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| Borg^Queen | any suggestions as to where to look. Using GDM. |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: Screen lock works? You can test: Ctrl+Alt+L |
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| Borg^Queen | Honestly it's a toshiba so it doesn't seem to be. |
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| Borg^Queen | which is why it's not asking. ok I get it. |
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| Borg^Queen | when I close the lid it doesn't seem to be going into suspend or the like |
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| Borg^Queen | nope, had the lid closed for over a min and nothing. What should I check. I think I've been over everything. |
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| SlavekB | When you press Ctrl+Alt+L, will something happen? |
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| Borg^Queen | one moment |
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| Borg^Queen | it locks |
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| Borg^Queen | I have the trinity dia up |
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| SlavekB | So locking as such is ok. |
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| SlavekB | Are you using TDEPowerSave? |
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| Borg^Queen | yes |
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| Borg^Queen | I have the config open now |
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| Borg^Queen | I guess I'm missing where it is. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok let me see if I have this right. No suspend, no lock. |
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| Borg^Queen | so he will have to lock it manually, right? |
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| SlavekB | You can test whether manual suspend and hybernation works from tdepowersave. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok how? |
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| SlavekB | using the menu on tdepowersave the tray icon. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok have it open |
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| Borg^Queen | ok it seems to be working |
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| SlavekB | It is possible that the "LID button" is not correctly recognized. |
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| Borg^Queen | That's what I initially thought. This is a toshiba, this series had problems like that. |
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| Borg^Queen | I was hoping it wouldn't translate to trinity |
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| Borg^Queen | ok mystery solved. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll teach him how to do it all manually. |
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| Borg^Queen | He may be old but he's as sharp as a razor. |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks for your time. |
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| Borg^Queen | I will resume lurking. |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately,
I do not have a laptop with TDE now here, so I cannot direct where to
check, whether the LID button is recognized. |
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| Borg^Queen | Not to worry. Thank you anyway. |
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| Borg^Queen | freeze is hibernate yes? I have suspend to ram and freeze. Which one essentially turns off the computer? |
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| SlavekB | Freeze is like suspend. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok so no diff. |
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| SlavekB | For turn off will be hibernation. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok thanks |
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| BQ-AFK | gn to all |
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| __Chris | Wonderfull that he kgpg problem was solved. Thank you SlavekB and deloptes :-) |
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| SlavekB | main thanks is to deloptes |
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| __Chris | Is he around in the IRC by way? I have never met him here I think. |
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| SlavekB | if I remember, he's usually not on irc. |
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| __Chris | Okay,
thanks. That's sad a bit. Do you know anything new about the option to
use GTK3 rendering for make TDE work on wayland nativ? |
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| __Chris | Not that I would be in any way in love with wayland, but someone asked me a week or so ago if that is still to be an option. |
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| SlavekB | For now nothing new about this idea. |
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| SlavekB | I was also interested in using MIR as a wayland compositor. |
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| __Chris | Okay,
thank you. I think that would be some option for people wanting to use
it, as long as there would be an build option to still use old code
paths for native tqt3 rendering. |
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| __Chris | udisks is needing gnome-common now. How sick is this going to be in this new world. |
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| __Chris | *udsiks2 |
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| SlavekB | __Chris: you can try udevil |
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| __Chris | Right,
that is from ignorantguru, the author of the spacefm (pcmanfm fork)
file manager. I just found out, that at least on this machine I had
tdelibs compiled without udisks support anyway. I recall some
conversation with you SlavekB about that a year ago or so. So udevil is
installed anyway, so maybe it is used anyway as a fallback, so it's time
to ditch udisks fully. Seems gnome-common is just needing to build it
anyway. And gnom3- |
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| __Chris | commin is bringing in all his/her friends anyway. So that would be some no-go. |
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| msiism | is there a way to completely disable the web browsing functionality of konqueror? |
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| __Chris | I
don't think so, because TDEHTML/KHTML is build with tdelibs and only
used by konqueror as I know. For only file browser there is dolphin I
think. But maybe someone knows better. |
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| msiism | ok, i was thinking of a simple config option that says "web brwosing support on/off" or sth. |
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| __Chris | Problem is, that this KHTML kpart is used also in different applications (KTorrent for example). |
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| __Chris | But, you can create profiles, play with it. So that it only starts in file manager mode. |
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| msiism | ok, i'll see if i can check it out soon. |
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| __Chris | You maybe could delete the specific kpart in addition for KHTML, but I don't know if that will not have any consequences. |
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| __Chris | But maybe someone knows better, like I said :-) |
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| msiism | ok,
well i'll try to check it out myself. but i'm really not looking to
re-compile anything. if i'm gonna use tde, thane it's gonna be the
debian packages. |
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| msiism | it's just that havin one app that does file management and www seems a bit like a security breach waiting to happen. |
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| msiism | ok, there's dolphin. do i like that. i'll have to look into it. i suspect i don't. |
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| msiism | on the other hand, konqueror might be a solid alternative to firefox... |
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| msiism | when installed from the apt repository in devuan or debian, will trinity be installed to /usr/local by default? |
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| msiism | brb |
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| _Chris_ | msiism:
I don't know exactly, but it might be important you know if devuan
people already integrated TDE in their own repos. So TDE will be
installed most likely under /usr/* or /usr/trinity/14 or something like
that. |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/squeeze/applications/amarok/debian/rules |
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| _Chris_ | "/opt/trinity" it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | At
least if you use the repos of TDE. But some time ago there were people
from Devuan here, wanting to integrate it, with a own theme too. |
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| msiism | _Chris_: TDE is not in Devuan yet |
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| msiism | installing to /opt is fine with me |
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| msiism | i jsut wanted to make sure, it goes either there or to /usr/local |
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| msiism | since it's software from an outside source. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| msiism | ok, now i'm finally getting down to actually install TDE on a devuan laptop |
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| _Chris_ | Good luck :-) |
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| msiism | thanks. |
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| msiism | could anyone add the fingerprint of the apt key for the tde deb repo to the installation instructions? (https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DevuanInstall#Add_the_GPG_signing_key) |
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| _Chris_ | msiism: That's maybe something Slavek can help with. But seems he is away. So maybe wait until he is back and write him. |
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| msiism | ok, noted. |
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| msiism | does TDE use policykit? |
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| _Chris_ | There are two answers here: Yes and No I think. |
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| _Chris_ | You
can build tdelibs with polkit support or without, at least at Gentoo,
because from source, but for Debian/Devuan I think it will be build
with. |
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| _Chris_ | Same for udisks. |
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| msiism | i see. |
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| _Chris_ | From
source point of view TDE is very open. You don't need udisk if you
don't like. I recall it is autodetected while running if you have them.
At least for udisks. |
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| msiism | ok, that's nice |
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| msiism | because i'm actually aming to avoid most of the newer and stranger stuff from freedesktop.org |
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| _Chris_ | If
you know udevil.... from SpaceFM author (PCManFM fork), if TDE don't
find udisk, it will use udevil as fallback and if that fails regular
mount/umount or pmount. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, me too and I think a lot of us. |
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| msiism | that's good to know. yes, i know udevil. i had tried spacefm a while ago (there is a keep-alive project spacefm-ng on github) |
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| _Chris_ | You are also not forced to use networkmanager, at least from source. I just don't know how it is with prebuild. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, spacefm-ng? |
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| _Chris_ | Is ignorantguru not maintaining it still? At least for fixups? |
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| msiism | no, development has ceased a while ago, afaik |
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| msiism | also, spacefm-ng is not really active at the moment, from what is to be seen on git |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, there was some announcement in his blog, but I might have updated to a new version. Wasn't aware of, thanks. |
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| _Chris_ | I see. One of the last good GTK2 based file managers. |
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| _Chris_ | I
used it a lot while using windowmaker as WM, with all kind of GTK2 apps
- But they are killing GTK2 more and more. My favorite topic. |
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| _Chris_ | freedesktop.org was a good idea back then... |
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| msiism | right |
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| _Chris_ | But
it is at some strange point. But some things.... Look for icon theming.
Themes are compatible now, at least it was that in Gnome2 and KDE3
time. But try to use one in another, it is not of practical use. At
least not for me. |
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| _Chris_ | *icon themes. |
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| _Chris_ | tdelibs
can be build with consolekit for example or without. But I don't know
if there is some autodetection. But you will know if login works, or
not. :-) |
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| msiism | i don't even get what olicykit is good for. on my main desktop, i don't use it because i would not know what to use it for. |
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| msiism | maybe i can use the deb-src packages to configure my tde installation. |
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| _Chris_ | It's also not using PulseAudio. But aRts. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, to be honest I have to re-read every several years about this.... *kit things again. |
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| _Chris_ | It might be usefull for multiuser systems, but for a single desktop.... |
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| msiism | yes, i've seen that and i'm very interested in how it behaves. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you used KDE3 back in the days? |
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| msiism | yes, but not for too long |
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| msiism | when i started with debian, i used KDE 3.x at first |
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| _Chris_ | aRts
is okay. It might be a little bit outdated. For music you can install
amarok, which can ouput to alsa direct (if you can hardware mixing),
because it uses xine, like kaffeine too. xine-lib is still maintained by
two people and they fixed some bug. But I don't know if Devuan have the
latest xine-lib. I made the xine aRts-plugin for outputting sound to
aRts directly working again and maybe it will be added to xine back,
because it |
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| _Chris_ | was removed years ago. |
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| msiism | ok, i have always tried to use pure alsa over the last years. so, do i need arts to handle sound properly in tde? |
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| _Chris_ | Libreoffice
also had an TDE integration, which TDE interface and more, but it sadly
was ripped of some monts ago, because it was having glitches since a
year or so and bobody had time to work on or finding the problem, so LO
people removed it. |
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| msiism | sad to hear that |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek
wrote that theoreticaly it is possible to use TDE without aRts, but
*some* things don't work with. But but again, that might be different
with Devuan. Just try it. |
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| msiism | ok,
well, i'll just do an installation with only precompiled packages now
and concentrate on sorting out what i need and get back to the more
complictaed stuff later |
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| _Chris_ | And like I said, it seems the Devuan people are very open for TDE. |
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| msiism | thy are. but manpower is quite a bit limited there, especially when it comes to packaging. |
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| msiism | i tried to learn how to ackage for debian/devuan recently and i had to give up. it's a pain. |
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| _Chris_ | There
are much things which are not *perfect* maybe. Konqueror for example,
as a webbrowser uses still the old KHTML engine. But for quick searchin
and other things it works good. Some people are using it still for main
browsing too. But web of today is full of JS, multimedia and 3D stuff.
So no wonder. I use PaleMoon for that as fallback. You can use GTK2
integration for using native TDE widgets, but my personal feeling (and
that's |
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| _Chris_ | logical) is that it needs a bit of CPU/RAM. |
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| msiism | yes, i'm especially gonna try konqueror, for file management as well as web browsing |
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| _Chris_ | What did you use before as DE if I can ask? |
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| msiism | i
used gnome until version 2-somewhat (a few years ago), then discovered
lxde and have used a self-assembled environment built around openbox and
pcmanfm more or less successfully for several years now. |
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| _Chris_ | You
have to see TDE as some base. There is not much change, but the devs
here are really fixing things, new GCC 7 works already for example for
compiling and some people are also porting pinentry-qt3 port back to
work. |
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| _Chris_ | And for torrent for example, I made the experience, that KTorrent worked much better (execept magnet links) as deluge. |
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| msiism | i'm sort of trying to avoid "much change", which is why i went for devuan. |
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| msiism | i think, compared to what i hav now, i will not miss anything in TDE |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
than you will have fun with TDE I think. But you will be up to date
with TDEs own repos. There will be some 14.0.5 I think in next time
(there are some bugs open it seems). |
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| msiism | if i'm gonna switch i don't know. but there's another big facot that motivates me to chekc it out |
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| _Chris_ | What factor? And there is Slavek. :-) |
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| msiism | an
that is: my desktop environment would be hell for people who are new to
linux. and if i want to help them take control of their machines, i
have to be able to offer a decent desktop environment |
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| msiism | SlavekB: could you add the fingerprint of the apt signing key for the debian/devuan repo in the install guide on TDE's website? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. I know that. |
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| msiism | also, i'm writing a Devuan setup guide that will, i think, involve TDE |
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| _Chris_ | I think that would be wonderfull then and good for the Wiki too :-) |
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| msiism | ok, i've now got tdebase-trinity installed. but there is no tdm starting up... |
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| msiism | ok, wrong, it's running, but i don't see anything. may an xserver problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, did your xserver before work? |
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| msiism | i
had not tried it. but it is and xserver problem. i'm getting errors. i
think i did sth wrong during installation. but i think i can fix that. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay good luck, I will be AFK and go to sleep. See you. |
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| msiism | ok. |
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| msiism | now it works, btw |
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| _Chris_ | What
was the problem? I just wanted to link you to some skeleton xorg.conf
file pitriss made and if I recall added to the wiki, but you was faster. |
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| msiism | i was missing a driver package. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. Easy one. Good night :-) |
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| msiism | good night |
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| msiism1 | ok,
i'm running the current release of TDE on on a machine with a pentium 4
m (1,8GHz) and less than 800 MB RAM. surprisingly, it does not seem to
be slow, as i had expected. |
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| SlavekB | I use TDE (among others) on EeePC - Atom (1.6 GHz) with 1 GiB RAM. |
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| msiism1 | i mean, i will need to test it fruther and i suspect ram will be to little for some more resource-intensive work. |
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| msiism1 | apart from that, it's quite intriguing to actually kind of have kde3.5 running again. |
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| msiism | for package management under debian/devuan, would you recommend adept or kpackage? |
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| SlavekB | aptitude ;) |
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| Chris_ | Last time I heard about adept was that it was broken. I might be wrong. Or at least it is not first choice. |
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| msiism | SlavekB: ok, well i normally use apt-get etc. but what about people not able to use the command line. |
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| msiism | Chris_: i've only read bad things about it as well |
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| msiism | is there sth like synaptic for tde? |
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| msiism | also, adept seems to have problems being installed at all |
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| SlavekB | adept has several problems and is not available for newer versions of Debian / Devuan / Ubuntu. |
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| SlavekB | kpackage is too simple. |
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| msiism | i just found there's another app called muon |
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| msiism | "built on the QApt framework" |
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| SlavekB | aptitude, although is for the console, has good text user interface. |
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| msiism | SlavekB: i remeber trying to work with it a while back. we didn't really get along for whatever reason. |
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| msiism | has anyone worked with muon? people on the web seem to like it a lot. |
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| SlavekB | I have not yet known about muon. |
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| SlavekB | Interesting to me seems Apper. |
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| msiism | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon |
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| Chris_ | QApt sounds like it's basing on something like KDE5/QT5. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, Muon and also Apper are for new KDE. |
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| msiism | Chris_: i suspected sth like that |
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| msiism | i mean, how did people do package management back in KDE 3.5? just using the cli? |
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| Chris_ | Hm. |
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| Chris_ | Timothy, the founder of the TDE project was ruling the Kubuntu releases back then. That's the root of TDE. |
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| msiism | maybe there could be a TDE fork of apper – called tapper. |
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| Chris_ | I think that was made with apt and some applet. But might be wrong. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe someone can fix adept again. But someone has to do that first. But I know what you want to get. |
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| SlavekB | msiism: tapper sounds nice! |
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| msiism | it does. |
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| msiism | btw, what language binding are there for tqt? |
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| Chris_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apper seems to be highly integrated with KDE4/5 it seems. Was kpackagekit not the replacement for KPackage with KDE4? |
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| msiism | i guess so |
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| SlavekB | Apper is based on packagekit => seems to be the successor of kpackagekit. |
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| Chris_ | I
looked for something like that for Gentoo too, for other people.
KPackage has support for Gentoo, but the parsing of the ebuild files is
not working right anymore. That can be fixed in theory with a bit of
love. Also for KDE3 there were one or two QT3/KDE3 dedicated package
manager applications for Gentoo. For SuSe people used Yast or so, which
was based on QT3 if I am not completely wrong. At least back in the
days. So that was in |
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| Chris_ | the old days. |
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| Chris_ | I hope that the *kit is nothing related to redhat. :-P |
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| msiism | i remember yast. |
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| Chris_ | Oh man, which bad jokes.... |
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| Chris_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PackageKit |
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| Chris_ | It is from redhat. :-P |
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| msiism | how do you know? |
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| Chris_ | But okay, that would be some stable way to not dig around with low level stuff. |
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| Chris_ | Because of.... |
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| Chris_ | "...and first introduced into an operating system as a default application in May 2008 with the release of Fedora 9." |
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| Chris_ | And the word freedesktop.... and polkit. |
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| msiism | ok, i didn't know (or remember) fedora was redhat |
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| Chris_ | Their community project. I used it a few years... |
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| Chris_ | But it seems packagekit also supports portage. So something like tapper would be nice. |
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| Chris_ | polkit is needed it seems so you don't need to enter some root password for installing packages. |
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| msiism | would it be very complex to write a frontend for apt from scratch? (i'm not really a programmer) |
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| SlavekB | It seems to me more useful to prepare 'tapper' that can be universal for all distributions, not just deb based. |
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| msiism | SlavekB: ok, then there could be backend modules for apt, pacman etc. |
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| Chris_ | https://cgit.kde.org/apper.git/tree/ |
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| Chris_ | msiism:
Because apper would use packagekit and packagekit supports nearly all
package formats.... this backend modules would be included and
maintained independent. |
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| msiism | Chris_: i don't really know if i get what you're trying to say |
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| Chris_ | I mean if apper has some TDE/TQT interface, all formats would be supported because packagekit includes this backends. |
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| Chris_ | I have done a quick research on what apper does depend on at least in Gentoo and it is a bigger list sadly. |
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| Chris_ | http://data.gpo.zugaina.org/kde/kde-misc/apper/apper-9999.ebuild |
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| Chris_ | Interesting is "app-admin/packagekit-qt" here. So that maybe could be "app-admin/packagekit-tqt3". |
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| Chris_ | So
while the name tapper would be wonderfull, one would need to do some
packagekit-tqt first and some client. Apper is the client for KDE,
Gnome-Packagekit is the client for gnome. Using packagekit-gtk. |
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| msiism1 | i see |
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| SlavekB | If I understand correctly, Apper uses the packagekit directly. |
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| Chris_ | And
if you look for deps of packagekit-qt this is nearly Qt5. To be
specific qtcore, qtdbus, qtsql. That could be done with tqt3 too I
think? |
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| Chris_ | Hm, but at least in Gentoo for apper to build you need the packagekit-qt bindings too. |
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| SlavekB | ok, I see - Apper depends on packagekit-qt. |
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| Chris_ | And packagekit includes this bindings in their main git it seems. You can build kpackagekit with GTK or QT flag. |
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| Chris_ | So seems to be something like pinentry than. |
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| Chris_ | https://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit |
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| msiism1 | i just found that it's not possible to install packages with kpackage in the current tde release. |
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| Chris_ | Oh, why? |
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| msiism1 | Chris_:
when i hit "Install" i get a window saying "Login problem: Please login
manually. and then there is a text field with a blinking cursor into
which i cannot enter any text. and then there's a "cancel" button. |
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| Chris_ | No SlavekB, at least packagekit-qt, seems to be some seperate package, so not included in packagekit. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, it is good to know that this will be a good start. |
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| Chris_ | Yes think so too :-) |
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| Chris_ | msiism1: I think it want's to have the root password? But you can't enter it? |
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| msiism1 | Chris_: unfortunately, i can't. also, this doesn't look like the normal prompt for the root password. |
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| Chris_ | Hm. I really have to install some Devuan next year. |
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| msiism1 | Chris_: maybe ascii will be out then. |
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| Chris_ | msiism1:
I tested it for Gentoo here, at least until the point to install
something. After hitting install I get a promt for the root password. |
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| Chris_ | That would be a nice start. |
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| msiism1 | i've already created a list of issue i've found with tde so far. maybe i should put that on the mailing list |
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| Chris_ | Better on the bugtracker. |
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| Chris_ | https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/ |
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| msiism1 | ok, but then one report per issue, right? |
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| Chris_ | Right. |
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| msiism1 | one thing i noticed about the run command dialog: |
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| msiism1 | it seems to have auto-completion only for commands you have already run through it. |
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| Chris_ | Oh,
if you say that now, that was something I noticed too, but maybe that
is because of speed. I don't know how it was back in Windowmakers run
dialog anymore. |
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| Chris_ | msiism1: https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2570 maybe you can find out something from that. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2570: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KPackage: problems with root priviledges |
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| Chris_ | https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2583 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2583: normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, NEW , adept does not function properly in debian/stretch |
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| msiism1 | i'll have a look |
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| msiism1 | as it seems, the run command dialog can be easily configured to behave differently, just by hitting "options>>" |
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| Chris_ | Oh,
wonderfull. That is something called brainfog, if you have too long
worked with cripled DEs or something like that, you don't expect
something to customize anymoore and you have to adept to the new ways
:-) |
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| Chris_ | Done. Thank you. |
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| Chris_ | Hm, but that is not working for all applications for me. PaleMoon for example don't show up, kaffeine neither. |
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| msiism1 | maybe you need to select to use the filesystem for auto-completion |
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| Chris_ | I tested also "use history and filesystems". Might be because of Gentoo. I have to sleep now. Wish you a good time. |
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| msiism1 | ok. ttyl |
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| _Chris_ | I
thought on this packagekit idea again and the best way would be to
preserve all the work on the existing kpackage TDE have and just let
compile and use packagekit-tqt (which would be needed). So the client
would be existing already and could be preserved. There would be a
commong working system. And people don't want to have and use *kit
things (whyever) could use, work on and preserve the TDE-native backends
(included in the |
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| _Chris_ | kpackage git repo). What do you think about that SlavekB? |
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| _Chris_ | Because
from what I have seen when looking what was wrong with the
Gentoo/Portage backend in kpackage, I found out, that kpackage was made
for having some kind of GUI-overlays for every specific package format
too. So work spend on an proper (synaptic/apper like?) UI could benefit
people using the old (in kpackage included) backends too. |
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| SlavekB | My idea is: |
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| SlavekB | 1) leave kpackage the way it is now. |
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| SlavekB | 2) replace the problematic application adept with the new application - tapper. |
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| SlavekB | For now, excuse me - I'll be back online about an hour. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny, SDL2 still has included aRts ouput plugin in recent versions :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And.... that works beautifully. Tested it with "powermanga" and "enigma". |
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| _Chris_ | Tested
it with artscontrol to verify the output. Seems SDL1 can use
"$SLD_AUDIODRIVER=arts" for decode the sound over arts and you can
decode it with SDL1 and just output it to arts demon just with
"$SDL_AUDIODRIVER=artsc". If you believe the wiki, the later artsc
option was removed in SDL2, but not the regular full arts driver. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | The
problem with this nice integrations is that the distributions don't
built all this packages like SDL or OpenAL (which had also aRts plugin),
or xine-lib with aRts-support. So that is nothing you can enjoy with
debian for example, besides you compile this packages yourself. For
Gentoo I can add them to the trinity overlay for example. |
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| _Chris_ | You
can also add effects with the "FreeVerb" filters from artscontrol to
the games. But you have to start the game first and afterwards the
filter, otherwise SDL will complain not to find some driver. Seems to be
a bug. Just wanted to report it, for historical reasons or so, it is
still (with good results) possible to use that. My creative xfi with
hardware mixing is having problems (stuttering) actually with you output
more than one |
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| _Chris_ | sound source directly to alsa, you if I output all sources to aRts, I will be fine. |
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| _Chris_ | *if |
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| _Chris_ | *so |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I maybe found out why KPackage don't worked for this guy two days ago.
KPackage has some setting to adjust to use "su" (default) and "sudo" for
prompting the root password. In fact in Debian/Devuan "sudo" seems to
be used. At least it was this when I was using Debian back in the times.
But I don't know if this default is changed anyway for Debian builds of
TDE? |
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| raso | Hi, is it possible to run 2 TDE "sessions" "concurrently"? |
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| raso | I have 2 computers A and B. A is the nfs server, B the desktop with home_nfs. |
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| raso | Running a TDE session on B is mostly fine, except akregator is slow. |
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| raso | I tried running akregator on A and export display to benefit from local disk, but |
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| raso | akregator complains on accessing feeds.opml (permission denied). |
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| raso | So, is it possible to run 2 concurrent TDE "sessions" for the same user? |
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| raso | Any advice/pointer on using TDE and home_nfs with same user on multiple computers? |
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| _Chris_ | raso: I am sorry, that is something I never tested. Maybe pitriss has some idea/experience about that? |
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| _Chris_ | Look what I found: https://mfnboer.home.xs4all.nl/twinkle/index.html
and some application which the name "KPhone". These two were SIP (VOIP)
applications (softphone) for KDE3 it seems. Would be nice if they could
work again in some future. SIP is going to be default in my Country. So
what was a nice joke back in the days, could be really usefull today. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: Twinkle is precisely why I still have TDE 3.5.13.x on some my own machines :) |
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| _Chris_ | https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 893: needs packaging, P5, ---, slavek.banko, CONFIRMED , twinkle (sip phone) package for trinity |
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| _Chris_ | I just found this :-) |
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| SlavekB | Therefor, porting Twinkle to TDE R14.x is very important to me. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice,
I see it as important too. This will be important for some users in
some years (when SIP is the only choice) and with nice integration, that
could be something TDE could shine with. |
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| _Chris_ | So besides of not ported to TDE R14, are there any other problems or is it still working fine with todays operators/services? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, seems most questions were answered with reading the report. |
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| SlavekB | With twinkle I have no other problems than just missing port to TDE R14.x. |
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| raso | _Chris_: np, thanks. |
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| _Chris_ | That sounds nice and could be my tool for regular use too then. Wonderfull. |
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| SlavekB | I use twinkle against an Asterisk and some local operators. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
I see. That sounds nice. I just found it by reading old threads from
KDE3 time. It's interesting how much nice and wonderfull applications
were left behind when switching to KDE4. You are finding new (old) KDE3
applications all the time. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: http://twinkle.dolezel.info/
it seems that the dev is working on a QT5/KDE5 version. So maybe - if
someday ported to TDE - it could be possible to port back some goodies
to the old version. Was there not some script, which does the most of
the porting (QT/TQT conversion) automaticly? |
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| mirda | yay, Luboš Doležel:D |
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| mirda | former owner of http://www.abclinuxu.cz, czech linux website |
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| Chris__ | Is that a positive statement? :-P |
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| mirda | I don't know:D but it's good if someone keeps to maintain twinkle |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I know about this new development. I watched the changes that will be useful to backport to "our" Twinkle. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
Very nice. From what I see, they just use QT for the gui because they
offer some console version too and uses come different C++ lib for other
things? So maybe adding a TQT3 GUI to this new version would be some
option? I don't know. The old version would be some more stable and
mature base in contrast to that. |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, the console version of the new twinkle is also dependent on Qt5. |
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| Chris__ | By
the way: I just have to underline again how good the page
ubuntuusers.de is case of HTML. Konqueror just can render this page
very, very well and without any problems very fast here. They use a new
python based CMS. So simple and beautifull the web could be today... |
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| Chris__ | Ah,
I see. So preserving a "own" TDE version of it would be nice. There is
also some program "kdenlive" about which I read, but it was never ported
to TDE too (but MLT and MLT++ libs are in TDE GIT). |
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| chewie_ | hi, does anyone know why i get this message when building tdebase on slackware64? |
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| chewie_ | https://dpaste.de/p72C |
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| SlavekB | As mentioned by deloptes in the mailing list, this file is result of a call to perl script ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/tdm/confproc.pl |
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| SlavekB | See your build.log: |
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| SlavekB | [
79%] Generating config.cicd /tmp/build/tmp-tdebase/build/tdm/backend
&& perl -w /tmp/build/tmp-tdebase/tdebase/tdm/confproc.pl
/tmp/build/tmp-tdebase/tdebase/tdm/config.def config.ci |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: Have you tried to put Winkle through that already? -> http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/experimental/tree/qt3-tqt3 |
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| __Chris | And this too: http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/experimental/tree/kde-tde |
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| __Chris | I mean "Twinkle". By the way: The "T" looks good for this application already :-) |
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| __Chris | I have to reboot shortly: Kernel new compiled. |
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| _Chris_ | Just
to advertise good companies: I just got replaced a Noiseblocker S2
Multiframe fan with warranty (6 years) one year over (over 7 years
already) with a brand new one, without any documents (invoice) and with
some lovely written letter with some tip, that the fan was just runned
"dry" and instructions to fix it yourself (injecting a thin layer of
grease under the sticker). I just had to note this here :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Seems there are still existing companies not thinking you are "stupid". |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: I'm not a complete beginner, so I've already done the first necessary conversion steps for twinkle :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, I know.... Might was a stupid question. I just found this scripts
myself and was very positive impressed about the idea. Was asumin you
started by hand (beause of experience) and just had no time. So nothing
to experiment with. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
git space for "in work" packages would be nice. Alone for the sake of
preserving the sources (pages can go down quickly) and maybe a more sane
starting point for people interested to work on. |
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| chewie_ | SlavekB: perl -w /tmp/build/tmp-tdebase/tdebase/tdm/confproc.pl |
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| chewie_ | Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in string eq at /tmp/build/tmp-tdebase/tdebase/tdm/confproc.pl line 115. |
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| chewie_ | what should i look for? |
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| mirda | _Chris_: it's nice to hear about good companies:) I like Noctua fans but I didn't know Noiseblocker S2 Multiframe fans |
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| _Chris_ | 7
years ago I had the choice between NB and Noctua. They are both top of
the notch like I know. NB is a little bit cheaper. Back in the days the
Multiframe series was top of the notch. Also good are Yate long (they
are produced by chieftech). You get them very cheap and they are quiet
too. |
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| mirda | ah, great |
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| pitriss | I
have great experience with noctua.. their fans are almost immortal.. I
didnt touched these beauties over 8 years and they are still silent,
still working great.. |
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| pitriss | I'm using even 9cm fans and they are silent too. My prefered choice is P12 from noctua.. |
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| pitriss | they
are bullshitting us in their users manual as these fans can run at
350RPM without any problem.. (manual says something like 800RPM minimum
IIRC) |
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| pitriss | and they can be bit expensive... Doesn't matter to me as its install and forget.. |
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| pitriss | not like intels "box bundle fans".. it was like boeing 747 while starting after 5 months |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | And
for minimum fan speeds: That might be dependend on the engine.... So it
can start. But maybe they will wear out faster at low speeds, because
the grease can't be spread with full speed. Just some theory, might be
wrong. But I had the same experience with different fans. They can start
with much lower voltage sometimes. |
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| _Chris_ | *without enough speed I meant. |
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| pitriss | i understand.. but.. I have set up my fancontrol like i said (400RPM minimum) and it seems ok after 8 yeras |
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| pitriss | I really don'ŧ understand how ppl can even think that noctua is expensive.. its not at all |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe these fans are sleeve beared or something like that. So that might be not important for this type of fans. |
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| pitriss | maybe in short term PoV |
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| pitriss | but for serious cooling, noctua is great.. my pc had moments when it had 20 more days uptime |
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| pitriss | but I'm used to turn off my desktop sometimes :D |
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| _Chris_ | I
invest a bit more so it lasts longer, right. I don't know exactly why I
not bought noctua back at the time. NB costs just a little bit less. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
My workstation was running with these NB with half of a year or so
uptime. Okay, reboots here and there. But from this 7 years of using
this fan, the PC was running maybe.... 6 years? I don't know. At least
if I trust the SMART figures from my HDD. |
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| pitriss | lol yeah.. my 1TB Seagate just slowly dying with 7.8 power on hours and I bought it for this machine.. :D |
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| _Chris_ | So
maybe that was the culprit. I was running these fan also with very low
speed. Seems the fan was running "dry". Next time I will buy some Noctua
too. |
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| pitriss | *7.8 years |
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| pitriss | so situation is simillar:) |
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| pitriss | just try it.. I was pondering if i should pay more for noctua as too few ppl were using that brand.. |
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| pitriss | but yeah it was wise choice |
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| _Chris_ | For
HDDs it's most of the time better to just stay running instead of the
start/stop cycles. Sasung RAID HDDs are having just 50k start/stop
cycles, whereas WD are having 600k or so. Much difference. |
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| _Chris_ | *Samsung |
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| pitriss | yeah.. I'm surprised that this drive lasted so long..:) its lowest grade seagate.. |
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| _Chris_ | I have some of them too. Seagate OEM. |
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| pitriss | btw I bought bananaPi m2 ultra SBC.. nice thingy.. with poor support unfortunatelly |
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| pitriss | poor support = it runs only with 3.10 kernel ATM.. |
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| _Chris_ | They
just have one year warranty, but besides that.... they are identical.
At least on paper. But I have read about differences at which factory
they were made. OEM in Thailand or something like that. You can't be
sure. But in practice, I have not seen any difference so far. |
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| _Chris_ | Try some TDE on it :-) |
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| pitriss | But
that SBC is warrior :D I installed debian jessie on it and it runs my
personal plex server.. For 1 user its enough even while recoding :D |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe with some lightweight libc or so. |
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| pitriss | But yeah while some recode it have hard times :D |
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| _Chris_ | It's ARM, right? |
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| pitriss | i saw load 540 on it.. :D |
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| pitriss | but its quad core so it was still usable |
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| pitriss | quadcore with 5W power consumption.. yes it is |
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| _Chris_ | My K6-III+ is also useable :-) |
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| _Chris_ | 5W? |
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| pitriss | with 2GB RAM on board |
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| pitriss | yes |
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| _Chris_ | For the full.... "board"? |
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| _Chris_ | Under load, or just idle? |
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| pitriss | yes |
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| pitriss | and it can handle multimedia server |
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| _Chris_ | That's less than my router. |
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| _Chris_ | Modern hokus pokus :-P |
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| pitriss | I'm powering this thingy with rPi standard psu (through micto usb) |
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| pitriss | 2.5A max |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | Real machines (like a Pentium 4....) are outputting just enough heat, you don't have to warm up your room :-) |
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| _Chris_ | ^^ |
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| pitriss | http://www.banana-pi.org/m2u.html //it have some PITA things which doesnt bother me.. eg MALI graphics.. which have no drivers for modern kernels etc |
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| pitriss | yeah or some xeon workstations.. |
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| _Chris_ | I
also like lightning bulbs still. They are something evil today it
seems. Efficency is good as mini heat generator. 99% warming power and
1% wastingproduct -> Light :-) |
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| pitriss | but i don't care about graphics as i have it as server:) |
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| pitriss | But jessie image with gui was running nice on it |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: i love them too.. as LED ones are not tough enough |
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| _Chris_ | Graphics....
reminds me on some people on some forum which found some quad ATI 8500
military graphic card.... It was running under Linux too, but was
getting very hot. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: in places where you have tightly covered light source, standard lightbulbs was the best:) |
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| pitriss | these new, halogen ones are bad.. they cant handle heat |
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| _Chris_ | That
talk might go into political discussion. My personal opinion is, that
people should be free to use the products they want to use. Like
lightning bulbs. If companies can sell them and there is a demant, okay. |
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| _Chris_ | You
don't need to use them all the time, but I still like the color
temperature. That might be possible with LEDs or so too, but I just
don't came to that point to work on that. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: yeah agree.. |
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| _Chris_ | BTW: http://www.voodooalert.de/board/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=16488&pageNo=1&s=c2de59ca81101a87bd460f4ae301cabe3edbedd1 |
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| pitriss | as I often say.. even perfect law, can't protect ppl from their own stupidity.. :D |
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| pitriss | so such things like electric kettle can'ŧ have more than 1k Watts |
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| pitriss | are just bullshit.. |
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| pitriss | not mentioning fact that physics can't be fooled by EU office workers.. |
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| pitriss | or vacuum cleaners limited recently in czech rep:) |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
But also in case of energie costs: If you pay for it, it is up to you.
You don't have to be wastefull. If people are angry, they will plug in
their hairdryer 24/7 and just compensate that. Just because the
goverment can't control all. |
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| pitriss | or dieselgate etc.. But EU is still keep trying :D |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
vacuum cleaners.... and my coffe machine just can't hold the
temperature long enough. Because I need protection from this... |
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| pitriss | exactly.. |
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| pitriss | they should stop creting these bullshits and start solving more serious things |
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| _Chris_ | They
could made electrical devices just lasting longer. So repair could be
some option again. That would help the eco enviroment much more. Okay,
let's end that topic. I am getting sad again. |
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| pitriss | Yeah |
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| _Chris_ | Just
one thing.... For running some bullshit phone with Android today....
just for running one app in foreground.... like in MS DOS back in the
days and browsing the web or so.... You need some quadcore today. The
problem is not that these machines from back in the days are too slow.
No. Applications of today are so much inefficent. Java nice and good,
but you have to run 2GB Ram and a Quadcore, for running an App and some
launcher. |
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| _Chris_ | Is that not sick? |
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| pitriss | yeah its sick.. |
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| pitriss | but i think in case of android, its starting to be rotten bit deeper.. On that java VM where android runs.. |
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| _Chris_ | They replaced Dalvic VM already with ARTS? |
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| pitriss | its not needed layer which need resources also:) but it makes android developement faster, chepaer |
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| pitriss | yea Dalvic, thats that thingy |
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| _Chris_ | Or how the new VM was called. Just the same. They could use C/C++ and the battery would last forever. |
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| pitriss | i think the same:) |
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| _Chris_ | They could use something like this click and play QT5 things. How is it called? |
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| _Chris_ | QTQuick? |
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| _Chris_ | No advertisement for QT5, but G00gle could do that. Creating some high level API just like they did for Java. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have running some cheap artic cooling fans too. No problems with them.
Next time my fan is stucking or getting loud, I will test that trick
with the grease. Zalman's old (these blacks) fans on their coolers had
2-ball bearing, you can inject some drops of oil and they can run
theoretical forever. |
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| msiism | just
trying out kopete-trinity from the current stable release. in the title
bar, it wrongly says i was on #trinity-desktop @ irc.kde.org. |
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| msiism | i believe that's a bug. |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: Where can I find this sysinfo tdeio from back in the days` |
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| __Chris | Disgusting
how Gentoo is kicking out QT4 and all packages which are using it.
Dictating the devs of these software to upgrade to QT5, with subtil hint
that otherwise if they don't hurry up, Gentoo will remove that
software. Well, that is the backside of having now all the day new C++
versions. Distributions want to build now fully on C++11/C++14/QT5. Old
software will be removed. Gentoo is not the only Distribution which does
this it |
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| __Chris | seems.
They are killing old software with history with something like this.
Until some years, we had GTK1 still and some applications which were
still working with it fine. I don't see any problem with that. Might be
purely in their mind. Sad. |
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| pitriss | __Chris: sad.. but debian keep old software..:) |
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| __Chris | I
don't want to be rude, but I think that is just some side effect of
their release cycle. I heard about plans to drop QT4 in Debian too. So
that will be most likely the case in next version. You can prove me
otherwise. |
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| __Chris | There
will be the point, when the local overlay of users for software will be
bigger than the official portage tree of Gentoo. Interesting. |
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| __Chris | Does Debian still has XMMS? |
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| msiism | working with TDE on Devuan for a bit now, i have discovered some quirks. |
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| msiism | one is with kopete (i already mentioned it yesterday): |
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| msiism | although
i'm on #trinity-desktop on freenode, it displays "#trinity-desktop @
irc.kde.org" in it's title bar. i guess this can probably be fixed
easily – if it is a bug and not due to bad configuration. |
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| SlavekB | msiism:
I do not think it's an bug with IRC in Kopete. IRC servers are
interconnected, so the connection can actually be served by a server
other than the primary. |
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| msiism | SlavekB: right. i've found it in the config options now and changed it. |
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| msiism | what
i find quite annoying about configuring kopete is that everytime i hit
"ok" after configuring sth, it asks me if i want to store my passwords
in TDEwallet, which i don't. |
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| msiism | to be more exact, that always happens when i modify setting for an account and then hit "ok" there. |
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| msiism | and there's no "do not ask this question again" checkbox. |
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| msiism | ok,
now the thing with this tdewallet configuration is that once you chose
to configure it, you are presented with a dialog that lets you disable
the whole thing. maybe that should be changed. the option to not use
tdewallet should be right there in the first dialog box. |
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| msiism | i
have deactivated tdewallet now, but would like to re-activate it in
order to reproduce it's behavior for the description in the bug report
i'm going to file. but how can it be activated again? |
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| msiism | i've installed tdewalletmanager, but that doesn't seem to be able to reset the configuration to what it was at the beginning. |
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| SlavekB | You can edit ~/.trinity/config/tdewalletrc file. |
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| msiism | SlavekB: ok. i'll have a look. |
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| msiism | SlavekB: it's ~/.trinity/share/config/tdewalletrc on my system. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I forgot to 'share' in path. |
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| msiism | i guess, i need to set "Frist Use" to true. |
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| msiism | bbl |
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| msiism | when
i want to report a bug about the behavior of TDE wallet in Kopete but
potentially also in other applications, which component do i chose.
"non-core programs"? |
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| msiism | ok, i just put it into that category now. |
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| _Chris_ | msiism:
Has you also tried to set "su" to "sudo" in KPackage settings? Because
Devuan uses sudo from what I know. Maybe that way installing packages
will work. |
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| msiism | _Chris_: i fear, i don't quite follow. i'm not having any problems with installing packages. |
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| msiism | _Chris_: btw, Devuan uses sudo, only if you install it or sth that depends on it. i don't have sudo on my system. |
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| msiism | _Chris_: or are you referring to my questions about apt frontends the other day. |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
that was something I wrote the other day. But you was already offline
to that time. So maybe that can help you. Just some idea. |
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| msiism | _Chris_: i see. and you mean sth like: start kpackage with "sudo kpackage" (if i had sudo)? |
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| _Chris_ | No.
In the settings of KPackage you have some option to change between "su"
or "sudo" for installing packages. Because you had problems with this
"password inut field" if I remember right. |
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| _Chris_ | The
default at least here in Gentoo for KPackage is to use "su". So maybe
that is the problem. But that default might be "sudo" anyway on Debian
compiled TDE. |
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| msiism | _Chris_: ok, i'll check that |
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| msiism | _Chris_: yes, the default is "sudo" here. changing that to "su" now. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that might be senseless. Was just an idea. "Sudo" seems to be right for Devuan. So that might be a KPackage problem. |
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| msiism | yes, but i don't have sudo. so that might have been the problem. |
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| msiism | and there you go, now it works |
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| _Chris_ | How ironic. Nice :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Seems in over 10 years things changed in Debian world. Good to know. |
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| msiism | well, i think sudo is still a sane default |
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| msiism | i assume that when you install debian or devuan with a standard desktop environement, you will have sudo. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so there is a good reason to make it switchable per Application. |
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| msiism | yes. |
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| msiism | i just found that setting a color scheme for konsole through its configuration diaog has no effect. |
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| pitriss | setting
theme through konsoles config works for me.. what does not.. Yakuakes
dcop and background image handling, which I reported long time ago :D |
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| msiism | pitriss:
it just doesn't have any effect, when i choose "white on black" or
whatever over the current scheme. it just stays the same. |
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| pitriss | just from menu schema => pick that one you like.. I guess you forgot to check that "make it default" checkbox |
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| msiism | pitriss: ok, i can confirm it works that way. |
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| msiism | but still, it should also be configurable through the configuration dialog |
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| msiism | also,
when i set "Black on light color" as the default, konsole will open
with one of two different background colors, every time i start a new
instance. is that intentional? |
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| SlavekB | msiism: each tab in each konsole may have different colors - that's the intent. |
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| pitriss | idk.. as I'm using my own schema based on white on black and not konsole directly but yakuake |
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| msiism | SlavekB:
yes, but i'm talking about new nstances of konsole starting up wiht
either white or light reddish, or light or light greenish bg color. |
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| msiism | tabs in the same instance of konsole always keep the same bg color. |
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| msiism | the broken config dialog also seems to make it impossible to create your own color scheme for konsole. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Merry christmas/xmas to everyone and the TDE team :-) |
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| pitriss | Chris|Unichrome_: thanks, to you too:)) |
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| mirda | Chris|Unichrome: merry christmas to you too:) |
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| mirda | and for all:) |
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| __Chris | Thank you for fixing tdegraphics with new poppler version SlavekB. :-) |
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| SlavekB | __Chris: Fortunately, the patch is not too large :) |
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| msiism | do bug reports concerning "Konsole" go into the "tdebase" category? |
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| msiism | also, could someone add "Devuan Jessie" to the OS drop-down menu on bugzilla? |
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| Chris_ | Has anyone tested TDE running on SPARC or PPC platform? |
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| pitriss | Chris_: I have no SPARC/PPC machine because of not enough space to store these toys |
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| pitriss | Chris_: I almost bought old IBM power workstation but space was issue so.. |
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| mirda | Chris_: I don't have any SPARC/PPC machine too, i am sorry |
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| Chris_ | I
was just interested, because Gentoo still support both. But TDE overlay
only supports x86 and amd64 so far. I was thinking about getting such a
"toy" from someone who would trash it otherwise. Debian dropped SPARC.
They should had support for KDE3 back then, so in theory that should
work. Was simply interested into it. |
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| Chris_ | Oh and I have again such "modern example" (at least for Gentoo) of masterwork thinking: https://bugs.gentoo.org/345337
Gentoo wanted to drop xcdroast because of nonsense reasons.Rotten
software for them was one reason. They developer of this software was
one of the first creating some GUI for CD burning back then and it was
mostly some hobby. With protest of some people this software was rescued
in Gentoo to stay in the tree. But |
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| Chris_ | often this goes wrong. Now, after not a year later, there is again development upstream and a new version was released. http://www.xcdroast.org/
If this software would have removed before, I am sure it had never seen
support in Gentoo again. Just some example again. Just for reference. |
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| Chris_ | Okay, most likely TDE will run too. -> http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/13273/kde-3-4-1-on-sparc.html |
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| Chris_ | And something like that was in my mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Blade_%28workstation%29
Which should be like a regular desktop. With ATI Rage XL GPU, but TDE
still supports software rendering for UI, so that should work good. :-) |
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| Chris_ | And you can get them for 25€ if you buy them over some local pickup list here. Up for a later project I think. |
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| Chris_ | And
the fun fact is: If Linux world is completely dropping 32bit support,
you will be fine, because this machines already support 64bit... |
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| SlavekB | Chris_: as I look at it, for Debian is currently only unofficial Sparc64 support. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, I have read too, that they removed official support for it. But KDE3 did run on SPARC back then. |
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| Chris_ | But OpenIndiana people are dreaming to run TDE on this kind of machines. I am sure. :-) |
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| SlavekB | There is probably a high probability that TDE could work on Sparc / Sparc64. I tested TDE successfully on MIPS. |
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| Chris_ | Oh, that sounds wonderfull. Good to know that it works on MIPS too. |
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| SlavekB | Packages for MIPS are a common part of the Preliminary Stable Builds repository :) |
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| SlavekB | So far I have an older workstation SGI Indy, where I tested it :) |
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| Chris_ | Good to know, never have seen them before. Let me search for this workstation :-) |
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| SlavekB | Very old, very slow, however, one of the first with a 64 bit processor. |
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| Chris_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_Indy This one? |
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| SlavekB | Exactly. |
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| SlavekB | I have model with Newport graphics card == 8-bit colors :) |
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| Chris_ | Yes,
looks nice. It's interesting how far you can push these "old"
workstations. These Sun Blade 2000 you can run with 8GB RAM for example.
It is from 2004. |
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| Chris_ | How much RAM it has? Can it start/run TDE so you could "work" with? |
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| SlavekB | Indy is basically 32 MiB RAM - when I use memory from the second workstation, I get 64 MiB ;) |
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| SlavekB | Working with this requires patience :) |
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| Chris_ | It was official supported until end of 2011. Interesting. |
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| mirda | these computers are very nice |
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| Chris_ | I like these old things. |
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| Chris_ | mirda: Right. Came to my mind too. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, these workstations were pretty nice. |
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| Chris_ | Back then, when computers had some "soul" still :-( |
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| SlavekB | At work, I have one HP workstation - HPPA processor :) |
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| SlavekB | The design of HP workstation was very similar to that from SGI. |
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| Chris_ | Is the GPU supported in recent xorg - This 8-bit color one? |
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| SlavekB | xserver-xorg-video-newport was on Wheezy, but droped in newer versions. |
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| Chris_ | If it has some normal SDRAM, you could add up to 256 mb RAM to it. That would be some push for TDE :-) |
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| SlavekB | SGI workstation has extra requirements to RAM modules. |
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| Chris_ | That's
sad to hear. That is exactly the reason I don't like this actions to
"clean up" distributions software tree, like recent done in Gentoo :-( |
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| Chris_ | Ah, I see. Same to SUN from what I have read. |
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| SlavekB | I did not try to use vesa mode instead of newport. |
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| Chris_ | Oh, this one they might have overseen. |
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| Chris_ | http://gpo.zugaina.org/x11-drivers/xf86-video-newport |
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| SlavekB | By the way - this is mentioned HP workstation :) |
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| SlavekB | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HP-HP9000-712-60-Workstation_62.jpg |
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| SlavekB | HP workstation was also usually as a desktop == under the monitor. |
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| Chris_ | Looks nice too. |
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| Chris_ | What
I don't get. From research that people removing this "old"
software/drivers and other things from Gentoo are often member of the
SPARC/PPC/some other ancient arch team. Seems a bit strange this
motivation. |
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| SlavekB | For information, I tested whether Sparc64 would work with qemu-user, but unfortunately it is not possible. |
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| SlavekB | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828041 |
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| SlavekB | This prevents me from conveniently testing and creating packages for Sparc64. |
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| Chris_ | Ah, I see. That's sad. :-( |
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| SlavekB | And Sparc64 hardware I currently do not plan to buy :) |
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| Chris_ | That's up for next year :-) |
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| msiism | every
time i try to log in at bugs.trinitydesktop.org, i get this error
message: "You tried to log in using the [...] account, but Bugzilla is
unable to trust your request. Make sure your web browser accepts cookies
and that you haven't been redirected here from an external web site.
Click here if you really want to log in." |
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| msiism | i'm allowing cookies for http(s)://trinitydesktop.org. |
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| msiism | i'm using fireforx 45.9.0 |
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| msiism | now that i have allowed sending http referrers, the error is gone, but: |
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| msiism | when i log in right on the start page of bugs.trinitydesktop.org, i am immediatley redirected to the login page. |
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| msiism | logging in on that page works. |
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| msiism | same thing happens in qupzilla (1.6.6) |
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| msiism | ...and w3m |
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| mirda | hey, please is possible to install TDE to raspbian stretch? |
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| pitriss | mirda: should be:) from preliminary |
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| mirda | will try, thanks |
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| SlavekB | mirda: not yet available build specifically for raspbian-stretch, but you can try for debian stretch. |
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| mirda | oki |
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| __Chris | Tomorrow is "New Year’s Eve" or "Silvester". It's time to fire up "xfireworks" again :-) |
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| __Chris | Back in the days there was some applet for KDE3 :-P |
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| __Chris | Goodbye
AIM and MSN from Kopete. Seems traditional messengers are dying. I just
hope ICQ will not be the next. Never used it, but choice is important
to have. |
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| __Chris | I
just found it so sad when MSN shutdown and aMSN devs never had their
chance to release their 2.0 version. Their forum is still there. Sad in
some way. |
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| mirda | SlavekB: tde for debian stretch works in raspbian stretch |
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| SlavekB | mirda: thank you for confirmation. |
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| luke-jr | isn't ICQ long dead already? |
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| luke-jr | __Chris: why is choice of non-free protocols important, when we have open standards anyone can run a service for? |
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| luke-jr | (XMPP) |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: XMPP is dead also :)) |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: I'm coowner of one XMPP server and yeah that protocol is dead.. Except few FOSS guys nobody uses it.. |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: Most ppl are using facebook messenger, viber, whatsapp and other things.. |
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| pitriss | luke-jr:
and choice is really important to have.. But its hard to implement
these silly closed protocols. And maybe even moral dilemma if reverse
ingeneer them or not (when its creators doesn't want to support other
clients) |
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| pitriss | Discord seems to be quite decent but, I guess its also closedsource.. |
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| luke-jr | pitriss: my entire family uses it |
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| luke-jr | XMPP, that is |
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| _Chris_ | Happy new year 2018 to all :-) |
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| _Chris_ | At least for some people. |
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| msiism | i've
just read in the trinity-devel web archive that parts of TDE may be
moved to gtk3 in the future ("moving drawing to GTK3", "using GTK 3 as a
backend for other apps"). what exactly would that mean? and why would
it be necessary? |
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| luke-jr | ugh, I hope not. I'd like to purge GTK from my systems eventually. |
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| __Chris | I
don't have much time but just wanted to say that there was some talk
here about that some months ago and I have never heard about this plans
again. The plan was to use drawing from GTK3 in QT3/TQT, so that all
other code can be used unchanged on TQT still. This was some idea,
because third party integration of some applications like LibreOffice
was removed some months ago, because it had graphical glitches (most
likely because of |
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| __Chris | TQT). |
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| __Chris | So there was the idea to do that to make third party integration more easy and most important to allow TDE to run under wayland. |
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| __Chris | Because TQT is not able to do that (at least not native). That is all I know, more or less right. |
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| msiism | __Chris: ok, thanks. |
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| __Chris | But
that don't mean absolutely that TQT drawing will be removed. Maybe it
will be still possible to simply compile TQT with native drawing or GTK3
drawing. So only needed if you want to run TDE under wayland. TDE has
this kind of options anywhere in the code. See networkmanager, udisks,
consolekit and so on. All is about choice. I am highly sure that this
choice will be preserved in future too :-) |
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| __Chris | About this LO problems see: https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2448 |
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| __Chris | There
are a lot of people here don't who don't want to pull GTK3 in for using
TDE. So you are not alone. But as some option (optional) to make TDE
work under wayland this would be something I am open for too. |
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| msiism | ok. i don't really know anything about gui programming. seems wayland will bring a lot of changes. |
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| luke-jr | why not Qt5? |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: as I'm not fan of GTK3, I need to agree with trinity devs that QT5 is way more bloated than GTK3 |
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| luke-jr | why? GTK is terrible |
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| pitriss | I'm
not a dev.. but did you saw what happened to LXDE-QT? thats not
lightweight DE anymore.. And I need to add to what __Chris wrote.
Trinity devs don't want to use whole GTK3 but only some parts of it.. |
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| pitriss | I
don't like gtk3, but i need to admit, QT5 is nothing that I can love..
Its also mess, looking terrible (from my users point of view) |
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| pitriss | So I just trust to judgement of trinity devs that they want the best for us, for whole project.. |
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| luke-jr | how is it not lightweight anymore? |
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| _Chris_ | QT5
is much more mobile centric and inlucdes not only important functions
but all kind of things. In fact that is so much, that the QT people had
to split it in modules with QT4. With QT4 the trinity devs did some
comparison and there are some real and longer motivation to port trinity
to QT4. Some things were working already from what I have read, but the
speed was terrible. You can read that in the mailinglist archive too
anywhere. |
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| _Chris_ | TQT
is also optimized for software rendering, so TDE can work good on old
laptops. Here many users running it on some old netbooks or old IGP
chips (integrated graphics) and it runs well. Me too. Also there is a
general software development problem (from MY point of view). Software
is envolving too fast this years. There was some effort to let Konqueror
use QT4-Webkit engine for example. But now there is already QT5 and QT4
is |
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| _Chris_ | deprecated.
In fact Distributions are starting to remove it. Gentoo for example. So
you have to run all the time behind the QT team. With GTK3 it is the
same, back in the days there were so much themes and so, but today after
every version API breaks, people have to fix all kind of things. But at
least GTK3 is going to be stable in short time from what I have read.
GTK3 is centric on GUI only. It is much ligher than QT5. TQT/QT3 was |
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| _Chris_ | mostly
also limited to GUI + some really usefull functions. It was a good
tradeoff. Today QT tries to abstract anything. Is much more mobile
centric. QML all the way. Traditional GUI programming will be second
class in short time or already from what I have read. The motivation to
use drawing of GTK3 is not because of users of Xorg I think, it is more
because there is the fear that wayland will become much more used and
TDE will be |
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| _Chris_ | no
option anymore for people using this distrbituions. I just hope and set
on, that you can select the backend or build TQT3 with or without GTK3
support in future. But anyway, that might be sacastic in some way, but
some years ago this discussion was also about switching to QT4, but in
the end this step was never made from TDE. So I think if anything is
going to change, we will start to know it from mailinglist or IRC. All
good. |
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| _Chris_ | QT5
apps feel to me like using some bloated material design android app.
With funny animations here and there. My point is - as long no one is
forced to use GTK3 backend within TQt and there is some option (runtime
or building) that will be okay. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
point also was that TQt already has glib support anyway. Also the main
dev of TDE did already test it and the speed seems to be much better
than using QT (4/5) for drawing. I find it some kind of funny, that
there devs/people out there (KDE for example) blaiming TDE to don't use
modern features like xcb rendering or opengl, but in fact end users
don't feel it anyway. It simply works for practical use. That's the
strange |
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| _Chris_ | viewpoint
difference of a dev and a user. Most TDE users simply will use internal
hardware rendering with compositing manager in TDE and that's okay. At
least for me software rendering is fully working for me. It's a deeper
problem in my point of view here. I am sure we would have wonderfull
desktops still, which could all or nearly all what todays desktops could
if QT3 and GTK2 were simply worked on more linear. GNOME3 was nothing |
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| _Chris_ | people
need. People were happy with GTK2. But if you get shown GTK3 and all
this arguments why GTK2 is bad in theory, or QT3, you will start feeling
bad as a user. For me that's kind of psychological thing. And that's
also the point why choice is so important I wrote last time. I don't
like apple, but I think it was good it was there to stay against this
flat-design trend. Also if they lost that since some time too. Choice is
more |
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| _Chris_ | than
about software/code/licsense. It's freedom. At least from my point of
view. And I don't like apple or ICQ. If someone or something get's too
much used or too powerfull, it becomes dangerous. Makes fun until the
point this product will change it's philosophie. Like GTK/GNOME did. Not
half of the Linux world is dependent on GTK3. Because back in the days
GTK2 was such a good thing. All are complaining, but there is no one
able to |
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| _Chris_ | fork GTK2 for example... It's sad. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Unichrome: TY for nice sum-up |
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| luke-jr | how about TQt supporting Qt5 styles? ;) |
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| __Chris | We have already high contrast styles for TQt :-P |
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| __Chris | No.
Just fun. I know that there are styles which were ported to TQt. Breeze
for example. And maybe the Qt4 theming engine in TQt will be ported or
supporting Qt5 too. So Qt5 will be integraded within TDE. But I don't
know any plans. But it's possible. |
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| __Chris | There is a GTK3 integrating engine too, but because of several API changes within GTK3 this is not really stable at the moment. |
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| mlsatzin2 | Hello everyone, can you please tell me when the official version of TDE for Debian Stretch is available? Thanks in advance. |
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| SlavekB | mlsatzin2: Would it be enough for you "semi-official" repository? See Preliminary Stable Builds. |
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| mlsatzin2 | SlavekB: Thanks for the answer. Official sources like those for Debian Jessie would make the update process easier. |
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| VH | Hello |
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| VH | I am trying to install trinity on devuan. |
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| VH | I am getting an error message with GPG signing key |
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| VH | Can anyone help me? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
that problem someone had just some days ago. Maybe Slavek can help you
with that. Please stay here a while, I am sure someone can help you. |
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| VH | Thank you. |
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| SlavekB | VH: Are you installing from official 'stable' repository or from preliminary stable builds repository? |
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| VH | um... sorry I am not sure I just followed this: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions |
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| VH | For Jessie (Devuan 1.x) |
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| SlavekB | Ok, official stable repository. |
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| VH | I will tell you what I did. I added these 4 lines on /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| SlavekB | You gave this? |
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| SlavekB | apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys F5CFC95C |
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| VH | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian jessie main |
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| VH | deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian jessie main |
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| VH | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian jessie main |
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| VH | deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian jessie main |
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| VH | after that, I did #apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys F5CFC95C |
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| VH | But it gave me time out. |
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| SlavekB | aha, so some problem with communicating with the keyserver :( |
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| VH | I tried it last night twice and three times today. |
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| VH | same time out error message. |
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| SlavekB | You can manually download and install the package: |
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| SlavekB | http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian/pool/main/t/trinity-keyring/trinity-keyring_14.0.4-0debian8.0.0+0_all.deb |
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| SlavekB | This package contains a key == does not have to communicate with the keyserver. |
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| VH | if
I do sudo aptitude update then sudo aptitude
install tde-trinity without GPG verification is that ok? |
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| SlavekB | You can download this package, then do: dpkg -i trinity-keyring_14.0.4-0debian8.0.0+0_all.deb |
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| VH | I downloaded deb file |
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| VH | I see. |
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| SlavekB | After this you can do apt-get update and GPG verification will be ok. |
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| VH | do
you recommend I do apt-get
update or aptitude
update or there is no difference |
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| SlavekB | apt-get update and aptitude update will do the same results. |
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| VH | because I already prefer and use aptitude over apt |
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| VH | ok |
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| SlavekB | yes, aptitude is good choise. |
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| VH | ok thanks. Let me try that now... |
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| VH | Now I seem to have network connection problem. :( |
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| VH | Ok... I will be off and try to solve this on my own. |
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| VH | It's weird. I was able to install bleachbit through aptitude and now network doesn't work. |
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| VH | anyhow thank you for your help. |
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| SlavekB | ping to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org is ok? |
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| VH | ok... |
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| VH | gives me unknown host |
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| VH | I don't think this connects at all right now |
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| SlavekB | your dns resolver is ok? |
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| VH | ping: unknown host mirror.ppa.trinitydeskop.org |
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| VH | that's what it says |
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| SlavekB | ah, if you have a problem in connection to the Trinity primary server, dns resolving of *.trinitydesktop.org may be a problem. |
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| SlavekB | You can try to temporary add to /etc/hosts: |
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| SlavekB | 37.205.10.16 mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org |
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| SlavekB | Well, I see problem for quickbuild.io - dnssec signature is expired |
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| SlavekB | https://dnscheck.labs.nic.cz/?time=1515090108&id=156804&view=basic&test=standard |
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| VH_ | Hello I got disconnected |
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| VH_ | huh |
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| VH_ | Can anyone see me now? |
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| VH_ | Last thing I saw was <SlavekB> Well, I see problem for quickbuild.io - dnssec signature is expired |
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| SlavekB | it was the last thing that was said :) |
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| VH_ | so... what should I do then? |
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| VH_ | I am going away. |
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| VH_ | before I go anyone have any suggestions? |
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| SlavekB | DNSSEC for quilckbuild.io should be already fixed. |
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| SlavekB | *quickbuild.io |
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| VH_ | OH GOOD |
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| SlavekB | thanks to Tim |
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| VH_ | I am running 'sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.io --recv-keys F5CFC95C' again |
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| VH_ | Thanks Tim. |
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| VH_ | it's giving me gpg: keyserver timed out' again |
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| VH_ | 'gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error' |
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| VH_ | should I try again tomorrow? |
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| SlavekB | it does not matter if you already have a key installed using the deb package, you do not have to worry about keyserver. |
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| VH_ | Oh ok. |
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| VH_ | huh |
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| VH_ | so I suppose I can just run the system as is. |
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| SlavekB | yes, you can use aptitude update and aptitude install ... |
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| VH_ | THanks. Have a good day! Much appreciated. |
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| _Chris_ | If Twinkle works in TDE, that is something interesting to have: http://www.a4tech.com/product.asp?m=p3&cid=223&scid=223&id=478 :-P |
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| SlavekB | I have this nice piece of hardware: https://www.amperordirect.com/pc/r-skype-review/z-reviews-p4k-skype.html |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Very nice. |
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| SlavekB | and one smaller device for traveling: https://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/USB-P1KH |
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| _Chris_ | Does the display work with Twinkle or Linux in general, or is this funaction only for skype? |
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| SlavekB | Yealink module is already in vanilla kernel. However for p4k is needed newer version, than version in kernel. |
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| SlavekB | The device will appear in Linux as a keyboard + small lcd display + usb sound card. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see what you mean. That sounds nice. That will be something on my list for later. |
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| SlavekB | I have prepared a small program in a pearl, which makes me comfortable to use this devices with twinkle. |
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| _Chris_ | That's good to know. |
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| SlavekB | There are several things I can improve in my perl program. For example, add handler for the volume up / down buttons. |
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| SlavekB | Another thing is that twinkle lets you use two calls - my perl program has not support for this yet. |
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| SlavekB | However, these are small things that do not hinder me in everyday use :) |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
that would be a nice addition. But in general it seems to work for
every day work. Maybe I will get this phone too. Seems to be of good
quality and cheap to get. |
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| SlavekB | The keyboard with the integrated phone, that you sent, is also interesting. However, I use ergonomic keyboard :) |
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| SlavekB | The
advantage of a standalone device is also that it has its own usb cable
== it can be well moved and handed over to a person nearby - like a
regular desk phone. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, I never used it with Skype, because I never used Skype. |
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| _Chris_ | The
keyboard I linked is used with the soundcard jacks. So your device
would be a bit more handy I think because it has some seperate sound
chip I think. I will think about both variants. IP telephony will be a
big deal here in some months or years. Because they are killing ISDN.
The keyboard has also builtin speakers. So it is more of a complete
solution, but way simpler (because no display). I think both solutions
are having pros |
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| _Chris_ | and cons. The keyboard will work out the box. No drivers needed. |
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| SlavekB | yes,
my device appears as a separate sound card. So I can use a conventional
sound card to play music and the twinkle is set to use the usb sound
card. |
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| SlavekB | Earlier I had to install a second sound card to have a separate output for my phone - a headset. |
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| SlavekB | With this usb device suddenly the problem has been resolved and for me the use is more comfortable than the headset :) |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
I still have this laptec external usb sound card which is 10 years old.
With 2 jacks, for input and output. Used it on some laptop some time
ago. Would also work with Twinkle for this. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting
would be the sound quality from the microphone. I am sure that the usb
powered solution will be better here, because passive microphones are
most of the time of low volume. |
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| SlavekB | p4k even has the ability to switch to internal speakerphone |
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| SlavekB | for interest - this commit was specifically related to my USB device :) |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdemultimedia/commit/?id=8b4b4390 |
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| _Chris_ | That is really interesting SlavekB. Had to smile. So p4k is well supported under TDE. :-) |
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| SlavekB | the microphone could be better - when the phone is not kept close to the mouth, the caller can complain that the volume is low. |
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| _Chris_ | We
don't know how this A4Tech keyboard sounds. Maybe much more worse. By
the way: Is there any applet for aRts like kmix, for adjusting the
volume? |
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| SlavekB | yes,
this usb phone appears as a normal sound card, including the mixer ==
you can control the volume of both the output and input in the kmix. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes, that I got. I meant in general, is there any applet like kmix for aRts? No for the phone I mean :-) |
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| SlavekB | commit mentioned above was fix the volume adjustment in kmix :) |
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| SlavekB | kmix is for alsa sound cards in general. I do not know about an applet that would be special for arts. |
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| _Chris_ | You
can use artscontrol for setting the volume for aRts, but that is some
seperate application. Yes, this fix should help with all kind of this
devices from what I have read in the bugreport. |
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| _Chris_ | KMix supports also OSS and other backends it seems from the code. |
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| SlavekB | Yes you're right. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | How
Gentoo is tricking you again in GTK3: The lightweight GTK2 tool
xarchiver was updated from version 0.5.4 to 0.5.4.12 in Gentoo. Before
that GTK2 was needed to install it. With the update they changed out
GTK2 to GTK3. This was me skeptical, because from the version number it
seems to be just a bugfix release. So I digged deeper and found out,
that upstream did no changes in this regards. I edited the ebuild to
depend |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | on
GTK2 again and it works. This is going to be a continued bad after
taste in the Linux world. In this case in Gentoo. It is like they want
to trick you into it. What the hell is going on? Just add some useflag
for building with GTK2 or GTK3 support and it is good. Unbelivable. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | *made |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Often
they made it look like upstream ported to GTK3 official and don't
support GTK2 anymore. This was also done for Audacious back in the time,
but Audacious recommended to build with GTK2 because GTK3 was no stable
anywhere and they will ditch GTK3 most likely for QT5 instead and just
support GTK2 at the same time. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | In
Debian based distributions this is likely the default since years.
Might be the that all GTK programs are only build against GTK3. I don't
know. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | It
has nothing to do with QT5 or GTK3 in specific, it's more this
dangerous attitude against the users. That's not Linux anymore. It's so
sad. I prefered to fight against evil propritary drivers and other
things back in the days and complaining, that windows is bad and
everyone has to change while having a "bad desktop experience in linux"
in favor of this "new and glory open source modern Linux world" where
all has to |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | fit in this mainstream shit. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | I
can't fork all this in some local overlay. Over the time you will
maintain half of your distribution on our own. I can fix that, it's
freedom, it's choice and that is good, but most people just will see
down on the bottom and say "bad but okay....". |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Maybe it's time for a blog about this bulltshit. |
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| luke-jr | Chris|Unichrome: they do it with Qt also. they insisted I remove support for Qt4 from the packages I maintain |
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| pitriss | just
note: krusader can't extract file from .deb. I guess its because it
can't handle xz archives and files in deb are in data.tar.xz |
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| Chris|Unichrome | luke-jr: Are you refering to Gentoo? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Reasons
of security are so much of for me. For Debian that might be a reason,
but not for Gentoo. Having more packages to maintain might be a reason,
but if Qt4 is deprecated and not supported anymore, this packages could
simply stay. And for software depending on that, that should be the
choice of the specific package maintainer. This is really going into a
strange direction. For Qt4 I did know it already. I wrote about |
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| Chris|Unichrome | this
because of the possibility to use Qt4-Webkit in Konqueror some day.
Qt4-Webkit is removed already. Security was the reason. Might be better
they just remove everything over X and just provide a base system up to X
and supporting the rest with overlays from users. But that would be too
much already, you know why? They removed also "ancient" xf11-video-xxxx
drivers some time ago. The game eclass was also something |
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| Chris|Unichrome | which had to be removed. Now all games are having up around besides regular programs. |
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| luke-jr | Chris|Unichrome: yes |
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| luke-jr | maybe
someday, someone will make a serious Gentoo fork effort to resolve
these things, but for now, it doesn't seem worth the effort :/ |
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| msiism | could someone add Devuan Jessie and Devuan ASCII to the OS list on TDE's bugzilla? I'd like to file a bug report for konsole. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Any statements about the meltdown bug? |
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| luke-jr | how is that related to TDE? |
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| luke-jr | to avoid, upgrade to a #Talos-workstation |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Ah, we are talking here often about several topics to make this channel about more alive. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | But
several browsers are needing fixes too like I heard. So in theory
konqueror too. But for practical reasons that might be not more
important than other security problems. Never heard of any TDE user who
was hacked or something like that. |
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| luke-jr | I think Konqueror 3 is obsolete enough that it was never affected |
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| luke-jr | if it is affected, forget fixing it |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Seems
to be some hardware bug, but the fix will cost performance. So I am
sure there are people out there don't wanting this fix in favor of 2% or
7% more speed. |
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| luke-jr | Meltdown is a hardware bug, yes, but Spectre is a pair of hardware + software bugs |
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| luke-jr | Talos is unaffected to the hardware bugs without a performance hit. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Let me read about it. |
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| SlavekB | Talos uses the Power processors and it seems they are also affected: |
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| SlavekB | https://www.ibm.com/blogs/psirt/potential-impact-processors-power-family/ |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | But nice to know about Talos anyway. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: they're shipping fixed |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | But that was some good point for product placement of Talos. Thank you. |
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| a-865_ | zypper is timing out trying to reach http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse42.2/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64 :-( |
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| SlavekB | a-865_: I can confirm that the machine is online and works normally. |
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| a-865_ | did normal regular updates, and now it works :-p |
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| a-865_ | very slow it seems |
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| a-865_ | timeout exceeded with 42.3 as well |
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| a-865_ | machine seems slow at everything though |
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| a-865_ | switching zypp.conf's download.min_download_speed back from 20000 to default 0 seems the solution |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Just upgraded, Kate lost sessions? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Kate sessions are completely broken. Is this known? |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: From Michele is in master branch added Kate new session panel - see series of commit in tdebase. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
OK. Well, it's not working quite right. My old
sessions are gone(!) and when I open new files the save option for the
current session stays greyed out |
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| SlavekB | hmm, it should be tested by Michele |
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| SlavekB | ... but according to your observations, it needs some more work |
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| SlavekB | I do not know if you are reading the mailing list or if you have not seen this message: |
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| SlavekB | http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::12089 |
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| SUPERNETS | THIS NETWORK IS BLOWJOBS! GET ON SUPERNETS FOR COLD HARD CHATS NOW |
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| SUPERNETS | ITS DECEMBER 25th! MERRY FLOODMAS FROM SUPERNETS! SEE YA NEXT YEAR |
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| SUPERNETS | IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG | PORT 6667/6697 (SSL) | #SUPERBOWL | IPV6 READY |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Nice. You too. *rionie* |
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| Regulator | anyone use raspbian-wheezy? got a mirror that works? |
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| pitriss | Nope.. as I don't have Raspi but Bananapi m2 ultra And i used plain debian stretch for it as devuan had no suitable image |
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| SlavekB | Regulator: for Raspbian I use on my builder mirror http://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/raspbian/raspbian |
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| mirda | please how to force online mode in kmail? TDE version R14.0.4 |
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| mirda | kmail starts in offline mode every start and asks how to continue - online mode or offline mode |
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| pfred1 | wholly smokes you're alive! |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Funny things from hell: GTK2 needs atwaita-icon-theme and adwaita-icon-theme needs GTK3. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Oh, the ebuilds shows some comment about that: gtk+:3 is needed for build for the gtk-encode-symbolic-svg utility. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Which in fact, is not possible to disable to build. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | So again, some new entry for my local overlay. It is beeing worse. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | And
atwaita needs "gnome-themes-standard" too, which needs "Depend on
gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.4 to make sure 3.2 users don't losetheir
default background image." What's the hell. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Unichrome: world is already f**ked up:( |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Yes. Seems so. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I changed it, and it works. So the question is: Why is this not done upstream? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | This is going to be too much random crap. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I
mean: No. That can't, it can't, it can't never be a solution, that you
need GTK3 to install GTK2. If so, something is really fucked up in
upstream and should be fixed. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Unichrome: it looks as fucked up on purpose.. to just force-replace old technology |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Seems so. It's going to be crazy. |
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| VH | Hello |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I
get: "OggS-SEEK: at 0 want 350200 got 345536 (diff-requested 350200)"
in my ~/.xsession-errors file and aRts is crashing after playing some
sound. It's a amd64 machine here. I don't have this problem on several
other x86 machines. Is there anything known? I have read about something
like this in the bugtracker, but can't find the report anymore. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2845 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2845: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Libarts1c2a-trinity audio backend is broken |
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| Chris|Unichrome | But I don't have any other backends installed. Just aRts with mad (mp3) support and vorbis (ogg) support. |
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| SlavekB | Chris|Unichrome: you can try to install akode |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Yes,
or the xine plugin for aRts. That should work too. But I prefer to just
use libmad + vorbis support integrated within aRts. For ressource
reasons. Seems to be some ugly bug. Maybe some workaround would be to
remix the ogg files which are only mono as stereo. That would be no
solution, but for playing system sounds this would help. I can confirm,
that this is not existing in x86. Strange. I disabled sounds for now. |
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| guy | mind if i ask a question here because the mailing list keeps sending me back failure messages |
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| Space_Man | Ask away |
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| Space_Man | the mailing list has a problem with Gmail email addresses! |
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| guy | i was wondering if theres a good way to install the optional packages in tde |
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| guy | toys, games, accessibility |
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| guy | other than using dpkg and forcing it to ignore dependencies |
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| guy | since when i try to uninstall tdegames-trinity or any of the specific games it tells me itll remove tde-trinity |
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| guy | by install i meant uninstall, sorry |
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| Space_Man | I use synaptic and filter for trinity packages |
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| Space_Man | oh |
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| Space_Man | using synaptic to remove kasteroids, it also wants to remove tdegames-trinity |
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| Space_Man | it doesn't want to remove tde-trinity |
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| guy | im on debian and when i try to uninstall even a single game it tells me its going to remove tde-trinity |
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| Space_Man | I'm using ubuntu 14.?? |
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| guy | ill just use dpkg to remove them |
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| guy | im
also having a problem connecting to wifi using wlassistant-trinity, any
advice on that? if not it doesnt really matter since i can connect from
the terminal |
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| Space_Man | sorry, can't help |
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| guy | fair, thank you |
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| Space_Man | wait around and somebody more useful will reply :P |
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| guy | (: |
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| Space_Man | there was a bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2748 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2748: normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Tdenetworkmanager shows no wireless networks on TDE14/Debian_Stretch |
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| Space_Man | which is about tdenetworkmanager |
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| guy | i can see networks, their type and signal strength, i just can't finish connecting to them |
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| guy | i also noticed that in the control center, under Network Settings/Network interfaces it says my wireless device is disabled |
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| guy | when i try to enable it it flips back to disabled. despite this i am able to connect to wi-fi in the terminal |
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| pitriss | ehh
about removing tde-trinity or tdegames-trinity need to be harmfull
AFAIK these packages are metapackages and they don't remove its
dependencies.. they are used to install all of its dependencies easily
in one go (eg all games, whole trinity etc) |
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| pitriss | it dont need to be harmful* |
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| pitriss | so when you remove these packages its dependencies should stay installed |
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| guy | is there a way to enter the trinity desktop from the commandline |
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| TomTheDragon | guy: depends on if it is running or not... if it is running you can just hit Ctrl-Alt-F7 to return to X11 |
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| guy | i
upgraded my packages and now its showing the login screen background
and a cursor for about a second then falling back to the command line |
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| TomTheDragon | otherwise you will have to start the service kdm-trinity/tdm-trinity/tdm |
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| guy | i might've accidentally enabled commandline login or something for the login manager |
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| guy | i vaguely remember seeing something like that in the control center but i dont think i checked it |
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| TomTheDragon | perhaps it's trying to run all the tde-3.5 stuff? |
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| TomTheDragon | not entirely sure what is going wrong, do you mean the "fallback mode" where there is a single terminal and a black X cursor? |
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| TomTheDragon | or in the actual console (full screen) |
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| guy | nope it just isnt running the desktop environment |
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| TomTheDragon | is it a full screen terminal, or something like xterm/konsole |
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| guy | its what it would look like if you installed without a desktop environment |
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| TomTheDragon | Ok, I'm not sure exactly what is failing, might want to stick around in case someone more knowledgeable than me shows up. |
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| TomTheDragon | Might be something driver related. |
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| guy | if it means anything i upgraded arts-trinity and some of the libraries for it |
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| guy | i forgot to mention that i'm on stretch, should i make a bug report? |
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| guy | i think the problem is that my xorg config is gone for some reason and the configure is failing |
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| guy | never mind everything fixed itself magically dunno dont ask me |
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| guy | jesus |
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| pitriss | guy:
man, about your problem with tdegames-trinity packages and its
removing.. Its metapackage, so it doesn't harm when you remove it.. |
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| pitriss | they are meant just for easy installation of all packages it depends on.. |
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| guy | yea i didnt think they actually had any dependencies that seems crazy |
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| guy | im new to unix didnt know it was called a metapackage |
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| pitriss | when
you arent sure what will perish when you uninstall some package, just
use terminal and sudo apt-get remove <package name> and read what
it write.. Ther must be listed all affected packages |
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| guy | of
course. my problem was that it was saying it would remove tde-trinity
when i was trying to uninstall any of the metapackages, which it
shouldn't do. |
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| pitriss | but tde-trinity is also metapackage:) |
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| guy | lmao i was too scared to try and remove it |
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| pitriss | it just works that way.. tde-trinity depends on some metapackages which depends on real packages..:) |
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| pitriss | so you install tde-trinity instead of installing lets say 500 packages by hand |
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| guy | yea i knew that i just assumed it did something |
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| guy | or that it was the most core part of tde |
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| guy | im looking at the dependencies and it makes sense now. i thought there was some kind of weird inversion going on |
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| pitriss | debian mostly have word metapackage in package description.. idk if trinity does too:) |
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| guy | ill stay off this irc for a while and stop being a fool. thanks for the help (: |
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| pitriss | no.. its okay to ask.. |
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| pitriss | I
have no problem to help you.. I'm using debian for more than 9 years
now so, no problem with shariong (at least) a bit of my knowledge i
gained through years |
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| pitriss | some smart guy said "when you ask, youll be looking as stupid for 5 minutes, when you do not, you will be stupid for ever :)" |
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| guy | i just want to force myself to fix issues |
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| pitriss | hehe yeah but some knowledge is good to fix them.. so feel free to stay here and ask..:) there is many ppl willing to help |
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| guy | well i'll come on back if i have any questions |
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| pitriss | great ill try to answer if ill be at my PC :) |
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| luke-jr | Thoughts on neutering the mkdir for TQSettings? http://codepad.org/FxEOCmZE |
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| luke-jr | patch that actually works: http://codepad.org/90oVZjvQ |
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| guy | is any of the stuff from q4os going to be backported to trinity |
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| luke-jr | all the git submodules use http://system@scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde-common-cmake ; why not https⁇ |
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| luke-jr | I have a bunch of bugfixes for tdeio_imap4. How can I get them merged? |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr: the best way is to fill a bug report and attach patches to this bug report. |
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| luke-jr | it's a 19 commits long git branch :x |
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| luke-jr | mostly backports from KDE 4 |
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| SlavekB | You can use git format-patch to generate patches from series of git commits. |
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| luke-jr | yes, but that won't make a clean git merge |
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| SlavekB | such patches can be applied with git am |
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| SlavekB | It keeps information about the author, the date of the commit, description, etc. |
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| luke-jr | but it changes the commit hash |
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| luke-jr | anyhow, hopefully one bug for all of them is sufficient? |
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| SlavekB | do I assume that the individual commits are related and it makes sense to be together in one bug report? |
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| luke-jr | not really |
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| luke-jr | git log -> http://codepad.org/njtEXAu6 |
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| luke-jr | was kinda hoping to find something to backport to fix the terrible performance of KMail, but none of these were it :/ |
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| SlavekB | sorry, I'll be offline for several hours |
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| luke-jr | hmm,
the slowdown seems to be related to disconnected IMAP (which doesn't
work in KMail from KDE 4 at all). regular IMAP seems fine |
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| luke-jr | Please see http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/HowToBuild for the latest build information. <-- dead link |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: hit a segfault, but I can't make sense of it.. seems to be a NULL dereference, but there's a NULL check :/ |
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| luke-jr | bah, now GDB crashed |
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| SemiNus | hi |
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| SemiNus | first off, thank you all for your great work |
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| SemiNus | and thank you for publishing trinity desktop under an open source license! |
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| SemiNus | my question is: |
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| SemiNus | did the development stop? |
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| SemiNus | I looked at: http://trinitydesktop.org/releases.php and there are no new releases |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | SemiNus: Hello, no, it is still all under work and seems in short time there will be a release. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | see: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Last change was just today :-) |
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| SemiNus | thank you! |
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| SemiNus | do you know if they need donations to keep going? |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | You have to wait a bit if you ask something. Someone will help you. |
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| SemiNus | ok |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | And
it was under open source license before. KDE just did stop further work
and tim the project founder did start to maintain it alone. Forking it
with other people and now there is a group of devs working on it. Slavek
for example. |
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| SemiNus | Chris|Unichrome_, I know, Slavek seems to be the most active of all |
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| SemiNus | anyway, imagine Slavek would stop working on it |
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| SemiNus | he seems to work the most on this project |
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| SemiNus | we have just been talking about trinity in #ubuntu |
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| SemiNus | asked them what it would take to add it to the official repos |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Devuan is doing it. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | And people are porting it to OpenIndiana (OpenSolaris). |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Actually it seems tim has no time. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Also people talk on the mailinglist. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | It's no project like KDE, but it's stable from user point of view. Not too much change. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | That has pros and cons. |
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| SemiNus | Chris|Unichrome_, I am not looking for changes... |
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| SemiNus | I have been using Trinity since the first day it was released |
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| SemiNus | even before it was named trinity |
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| SemiNus | Tim released it as KDE3 back then after the official support ended |
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| SemiNus | and ever since I have been using it |
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| SemiNus | I was only concerned that the project was going to die as there were no new releases |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | SemiNus: Okay, no problem. It seemed so that you are "new". |
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| SemiNus | nah, I go back to Debian Potato times ;) |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | I
just can say, that there was in no way some discussion about a possible
death. In contrast to that there was talk to make TDE working under
Wayland nativly, with GTK3 for rendering. But that is a complex topic
and it is not sure if this route is the way to go. |
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| SemiNus | that sounds like a huge step to take |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Tim did some tests already if I have understood that right. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | And maybe it will be optional. So you can just use for X the rendering from TQt3. |
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| SemiNus | Chris|Unichrome_, so it Trinity wouldn't stop working even if it had no native Wayland support? |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | In no way. Actually TDE just support more X than Wayland. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Also for NetworkManager and systemd there is choice. I am running Gentoo here, without systemd. |
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| SemiNus | Chris|Unichrome_, that's awesome, thank you! |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | No problem. That's good. Trinity is about choice still. |
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| SemiNus | Good Night Chris|Unichrome_ |
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| SemiNus | thank you! |
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| luke-jr | hmm, I think TDE is less stable than KDE 4 :/ |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: what? Trinity less stable than Kde4? Never. |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr: you use the packaged version (what distribution) or your custom build? |
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| luke-jr | pitriss: I'm only comparing a single app: KMail |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: I'm building from git. |
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| luke-jr | pitriss:
KMail from KDE 4.4 only crashes when I try to move messages too fast.
But TDE's KMail is crashing just typing emails to send. |
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| luke-jr | and
for no obvious reason, it tends to sometimes get stuck doing stuff like
moving messages around and just sit there processing the requests
indefinitely |
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| luke-jr | trying to investigate the issues, I noticed a ton of memory leaks in kio_imap4 too :/ |
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| luke-jr | tdeio* I guess |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: I don't remember when my kmail crashed last time.. And I have more than 6GB mails in it..: |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | I
am also not having any problems with KMail. With IMAP4 too. But moving
mails and this kind of things is not my regular use. Might be the case
anyway that it has some memory leaks. But kopete had that too and Slavek
fixed it one year ago. So maybe there will be progress. |
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| luke-jr | KDE 4 changed imapCommand to a boost refcounting thing |
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| luke-jr | to fix that |
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| luke-jr | pitriss: the crash in TDE KMail was in some syntax highlighter code (no clue why that's used in email!) |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: i don't have any syntax highlighting in kmail so I can't tell.. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Maybe it's related to the spellchecker? |
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| luke-jr | maybe |
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| luke-jr | I had it in GDB, and I couldn't figure out the problem. It was a NULL dereference on something checked for NULL :/ |
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| luke-jr | sadly, GDB then crashed |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Have you trief to recompile without spellchecker support? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Und tried it again? |
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| luke-jr | no, I'm not sure that's even a build option for mail? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Yes, I think that's possible. Because I am very sure, that I used KMail some time without it. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Or it was related to tdelibs, without spellchecking support. |
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| luke-jr | a bigger nuisance right now is that the imap just hangs sometimes |
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| a-865 | on fresh stretch, 14.0.5~pre21 TDM works, but TDE session crashes with segfaulting drkonqi :-( |
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| a-865 | on fresh stretch, 14.0.5~pre21 TDM works, but TDE session crashes with segfaulting drkonqi & dcopserver :-( |
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| SlavekB | a-865: package kgtk-qt3-trinity is purged? |
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| a-865 | thx SlavekB :-) I can't seem to remember not to install it. :-p |
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| guy | anyone
know if theres a way to set a default view profile for konqueror? every
time i open a new window from an existing one it changes the view mode
and removes the navigation panel |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Yes, I know that I think, but let my test again. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | No, that is just for window size. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | But maybe it works for the panel too. |
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| Chris|Unichrome_ | Settings
-> Manage View/Window-profile -> Filebrowser and do activate
booth settings. Otherwise I think this question was asked before, but I
don't know the exact answer anymore. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: re a14adb9ab9c50cbcd95a2d2e3f42c41fecf73fb0, Gentoo puts it at /usr/lib64/misc/utempter/utempter |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: obviously lib64 is architecture-dependent |
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| luke-jr | there's also a symlink at /usr/sbin/utempter |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr:
Thanks for the information. Adding the /usr/sbin path seems to me as an
easier solution than the path dependent on architecture. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: unrelated, do you think TDE can change the submodules to use https URIs instead of insecure http? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Finally got a new machine wired up: https://quickbuild.io/builders/meili |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: nice to see the machines back in operation! |
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| SlavekB | Sometimes a week ago I uploaded the LibreOffice into the queue for build, but nothing happened. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Note, some problems with upload finished builds? See: https://quickbuild.io/~trinity/+archive/ubuntu/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/361866 |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Yeah, I see it. Looks like something went wrong with the core itself; going to reboot that cluster |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: We're back online... https://quickbuild.io/~trinity/+archive/ubuntu/trinity-nightly-builds/+build/361883 |
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| SlavekB | Great. |
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| SlavekB | And processing upload queue is also running? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: It *should* be. Give it at try and poke me if it is not |
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| kb9vqf | still handling other maintainance on this cluster for the next few days |
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| SlavekB | the upload I made last week is lost and is to be done again? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: I expect so, yes |
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| kb9vqf | in general if an upload is not registered in a matter of hours it is lost |
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| kb9vqf | there is garbage collection that runs after 3 days to delete "stale" files, so definitely after 3 days the upload is gone |
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| SlavekB | Ok, update for LibreOffice uploaded right now again :) |
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| kb9vqf | looks like the system took it |
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| kb9vqf | so it's back up and running AFAICS |
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| kb9vqf | sorry it took so long to get to fixing things |
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| SlavekB | Yes: [~libreoffice-trinity/ubuntu/libreoffice-trinity-staging/jessie] libreoffice 1:4.3.3-2+tde1+deb8u10 (Accepted) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2836 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , krename can't add folders recursively |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2837 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2837 wishlist, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [wishlist] Add support for colored fonts |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2838 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2838 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , drop support for old compiz |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2839 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2840 filed by tdebugs.20.vm@recursor.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2840
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2841 filed by miker@tippett.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2841 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Hardcoded path for utempter |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2842 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2843 filed by leeereportbugs@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2844 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2844 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Libarts1-mpleglib-trinity audio backend doesn't work correctly |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2845 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2846 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2846 trivial, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove AIM from Kopete |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2847 filed by ionic@ionic.de. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2847 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdelibs/tdeio cannot load OpenSSL on CentOS 7 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2043 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, konqueror arkplugin Compress & Extract options |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2848 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2848 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, tqca-tls no longer compiles with openssl 1.1.0 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2849 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2849 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, TDE libs will not compile with the new openssl 1.1.0 |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2850 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2850 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , htmlattrs is not compiled (among other things), so tdehtml not linked |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2851 filed by msi@malbolge.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2834 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, "Kscd-trinity" doesn't play Audio CD out of the box |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2852 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2852 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdebase fails to compile on x86_64 because config.ci is not make for tdm |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2853 filed by linux@rainbow-software.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2853 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED NOTOURPROBLEM, CD/DVD media not detected unless "udisksctl status" is run |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2854 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2854 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kcheckpass segfaults |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2855 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2855 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , temperature reads as "-0" in kweather |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2856 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2856 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , crash in configuring desktop if click on "Behavior" |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2857 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2857 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDE for Raspbian Stretch |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2858 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2858 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Konqueror icon view - incorrect sequential selection |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2859 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2859 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , if konsole is open to a root session when TDE starts, then all new sessions are yellow |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2860 filed by matrixx-trinity@underald.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2860 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kopete doesn't use saved XMPP password when using StartTLS |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2861 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2861 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , problem with shadows |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2862 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2862 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kbookreader lacks CMakeLists.txt and working configure script |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2863 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2863
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2775 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, REOPENED , kdesktop_lock is incompatible with multiple screens layout |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2864 filed by ac586133@hotmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2864 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Uploading new PCLinuxOS tde remaster to trinitydesktop.org |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2865 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2866 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2866 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , konqueror drops some files when selected and dragged |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2867 filed by engnailemail@protonmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Setting XTerm to default terminal does not affect opening terminal from desktop |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2868 filed by engnailemail@protonmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2868 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Apply color behaviour |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2869 filed by engnailemail@protonmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2870 filed by engnailemail@protonmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2871 filed by luke-jr+trinitybugs@utopios.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2871 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Segfault in TQTextParagraph::setFormat |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2872 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2872 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdeio_iso never finds the iso |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2873 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2873 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Missing dependency 'xcalib' on Debian Jessie |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2841 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2873 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2874 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2874 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Desktop locking at autologin doesn't work |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2875 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2875 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Can't export printer driver for Windows |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2863 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2876 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2876 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , cannot open files from inside a zip file in konqueror |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2877 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2877 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , cannot stop k hardware monitor from autostarting |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2878 filed by thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, cannot build with newer poppler (0.62.0) |
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| tbottu | 10thomas.a.kaeding@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2878 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Buster, Zesty, Artful, Bionic added to QuickBuild |
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| kb9vqf | rebuilds underway; can you handle the build deps? |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Yes, I'll take care of it. |
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| kb9vqf | great, thanks! |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: I believe we can drop support for Ubuntu Yakkety (16.10). What do you think? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Likely, yes. The "intermediate" Ubuntu releases are really
only useful for bootstrapping the next LTS release |
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| kb9vqf | let's get a full archive rebuild in, then we can drop it |
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| SlavekB | I observed that for Yakkety something is wrong in the official "old-releases" repository. |
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| SlavekB | That's why I stopped building for Yakkety in my Preliminary Stable Builds repository and also Trinity Testing repository. |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: Did you consider adding raspbian-stretch? |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: It's possible. Fighting disk space on this cluster still for the main archives (not the TDE archives) |
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| Space_Man | a recent ubuntu 14.04 update has stopped sound and slowed down logins https://paste.debian.net/1014099/ any ideas? |
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| Space_Man | I have the following lines in sources |
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| Space_Man | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/ubuntu/ |
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| Space_Man | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu/ |
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| Space_Man | http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/ main-r14 deps-r14 |
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| Space_Man | after pressing the T icon (first time) it takes about 30 seconds before the tde menu appears |
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| Space_Man | the turn off and restart options are missing from the tde / leave menu |
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| Space_Man | and the dmesg output https://paste.debian.net/1014109/ |
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| SlavekB | Space_Man: you can check the order of sound cards in /proc/asound/cards |
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| Space_Man | SlavekB: https://paste.debian.net/1014124/ |
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| Space_Man | there are 2 cards listed, why doesn't kmix detect them? |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr: /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin added to the search for utempter helper |
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| Space_Man | attempting
to use a usb memory stick or external drive "Unable to mount this
device. Potential reasons include: Improper device
and/or user privilege level Corrupt data on storage
device Technical
details: org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.NotAuthorizedCanObtain:
Not authorized to perform operation" |
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| guy | anybody know about the bug where your screensavers straight up disappear from configure desktop? |
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| undoified | hello? |
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| undoified | Is anyone here? |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: thanks, but for some reason it still fails to find it :/ |
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| __Chris | Is Java 9 not mady for x86 anymore, or I am getting anything wrong? http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre9-downloads-3848532.html |
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| __Chris | Because with newest glibc java 8 is segfaulting here. |
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| __Chris | For
windows x86 I can't find anything too. But from quick search your can
download Java 9 for Windows x86 from third party sites. |
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| __Chris | "jre-9_windows-x86_bin.exe" for example. |
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| __Chris | "Oracle has dropped support for many platforms, including 32-bit x86." |
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| __Chris | Wonderfull. Seems they don't have any other things to do. |
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| __Chris | Okay,
problem with Java 8 seems to be something with GCC 6 in combination
with glibc. Oracle seems to have done something wrong: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8186252.html?sid=d953c3d775474e3cbcbae94a942240cd#8186252 |
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| __Chris | https://bugs.gentoo.org/647954 |
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| chewie_ | hi, does anyone know why when using tdm does not load polkit-gnome-authentication-agent? |
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| chewie_ | this works when the session is opened by startx and with other display managers, but does not work in Trinity |
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| chewie_ | Unable
to register authentication agent:
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: User of caller and
user of subject differs. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | chewie_: I don't know, but maybe some one different. What distro are you using? |
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| chewie_ | slackware 14.2 |
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| Chris|Unichrome | So
selfcompiled, yes? Has you compiled it with polkit support? I am using
Gentoo here and I mean I had the same problems, but like I know I am
using TDM now without any polkit support. |
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| chewie_ | i used the tree build environment from github |
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| chewie_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds |
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| chewie_ | tdm is the tdebase package |
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| chewie_ | I have to make some changes to the script? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I am sorry. Seems that I meant tdelibs. And the problem which I had were related to consolekit. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | But consolekit works with polkit if I am not absolutely wrong. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/Core/tdelibs/tdelibs.SlackBuild |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Don't shoes any flag related to consolekit. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Let me some seconds. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Just some idea. I have to do something different here. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Add "-DWITH_CONSOLEKIT="ON" \" to https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/Core/tdelibs/tdelibs.SlackBuild amd recompile tdelibs and whole tde after that again. Just a try. |
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| chewie_ | hmm, but ps -ef | grep [p]olkit |
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| chewie_ | polkitd
1048 1 0 13:14
? 00:00:00
/usr/lib/polkit-1/polkitd --no-debug |
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| Chris|Unichrome | https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/tree/CMakeLists.txt |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Just try it. |
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| chewie_ | ok, need some time |
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| Chris|Unichrome | No problem. If it don't works, maybe someone different can help you :-) |
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| Chris|Unichrome | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ConsoleKit -> "Other software like polkit also make use of these distinctions." But I am really not into this *Kit things. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | But
seems there are several patches for GCC 7, for twin for example. I
don't checked them. But maybe they are interesting for TDE? |
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| chewie_ | I think not, my gcc is still 5.5.0:) |
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| chewie_ | nothing has changed, as before GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: User of caller and user of subject differs. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | But you have consolekit installed? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=994961 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 994961: was not found. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Is what I found from quick search. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Have you tried to create some dummy user and try to login with it? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2/issues/26 |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Seems to be related to consolekit. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Maybe use some newer polkit-version or some newer consolekit version? |
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| chewie_ | sudo slackpkg file-search consolekit |
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| chewie_ | [ installed ] - ConsoleKit2-1.0.0-i586-3 |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Can, if you have loged in try: "ck-list-sessions" |
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| chewie_ | [ installed ] - polkit-0.113-i586-2 |
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| chewie_ | [ installed ] - polkit-gnome-0.105-i586-1 |
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| chewie_ | these are the latest versions |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I think this booth have to be compatible in this case. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I had this problem I think with SLIM. Some different DM. Lack of consolekit support was the problem back then. |
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| chewie_ | my xinitrc.tde |
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| chewie_ | if [ -z "$DESKTOP_SESSION" -a -x /usr/bin/ck-launch-session ]; then |
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| chewie_ | exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --exit-with-session /opt/trinity/bin/starttde |
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| chewie_ | else |
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| chewie_ | exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session /opt/trinity/bin/starttde |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Have you trief to do the command avobe and looked if your session is registered? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Login with some different DM which works with polkit and try this command and do it also with some login from TDM and compare. |
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| chewie_ | polkit works |
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| chewie_ | polkitd
1023 1 0 14:59
? 00:00:00
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| chewie_ | the process is loaded |
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| Chris|Unichrome | No, I meant: "ck-list-sessions" |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Okay, so the problem is not polkit. |
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| chewie_ | polkit-gnome-agent problem |
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| chewie_ | ck-list-session https://paste.ee/p/QF9Gf |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Have you tried to create some different user and test it? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Some moment. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | That is after login with TDM? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Or with some different DM? |
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| chewie_ | after login in trinity with tdm |
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| Chris|Unichrome | So consolekit should work too if I am not wrong. If not, your session should not be listed there. Interesting. |
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| chewie_ | chewie 14845 14761 0 15:28 pts/1 00:00:00 grep consolekit |
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| Chris|Unichrome | From what I read here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit,
polkit-gnome is only needed in GNOME. Question is, why do you need it
inside of TDE? Maybe I am wrong. Never used really this services. "The
Polkit GNOME package provides an Authentication Agent for Polkit that
integrates well with the GNOME Desktop environment." |
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| chewie_ | with a new user, too there is no effect |
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| chewie_ | It works if the session is started manually by startx |
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| chewie_ | it should not depend on DE |
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| chewie_ | problem in tdm |
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| Chris|Unichrome | But polkit-gnome has to be started manualy then? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Are you having anything in your ~/.xinitrc? |
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| chewie_ | no, he is in /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop |
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| chewie_ | this should not cause problems |
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| chewie_ | my ~/.xinitrc https://paste.ee/p/92f2l |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Then I am out at first. Maybe someone different has some idea. Was just some try. |
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| chewie_ | on the left my environment started manually, on the right with tdm https://paste.ee/p/AXJId |
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| chewie_ | there seem to be not many changes |
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| chewie_ | some suspicion is DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS="unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus- |
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| chewie_ | I tried to install slim, it seems there are no problems with polkit-gnome-agent with it. |
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| Chris__ | I
am using icedtea now for for Java. It's not having this bug and it
seems because it is source build, it will support x86 still. Just for
someone having the same problem. |
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| guy_ | any idea how to enable root auto-login |
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| DarwinElf | wait, I can't use xinerama?! :O |
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| Aristide | Hello : |
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| Aristide | !) |
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| tbottu | Aristide: Error: ")" is not a valid command. |
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| Aristide | Lol ok |
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| pitriss | DarwinElf: xinerama? why to use that? dualhead is possible even without this ancient thing.. |
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| __Chris | I
just hope KDE6 will deprecate Icons completely. They are just
distracting the users. After making Icons flat and monochrome this is
just the next logical step. The will make the world much better. What
about replacing application Icons with some capital letter like just
some monochrome "A" for "AmaroK". That would be wonderfull. Could make
full use of this multi-shader GPU's these days. But of course, 3D should
be still mandatory. |
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| __Chris | Jus to be cool. Is that not sarcastic? :-) #CrazyWorld |
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| DarwinElf | pitriss, ok, how? |
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| DarwinElf | 'screen' option is just greyed out :( |
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| __Chris | DarwinElf: Maybe try to start "tderandrtray". |
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| __Chris | And then "Resolution and Layout". You need to use root mode most likely. |
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| DarwinElf | don't X as root |
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| DarwinElf | so I start that beforehand, or after starting TDE? |
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| __Chris | I am not into that, but in this dialog you need root privilegs to change the settings like I know. |
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| __Chris | Just start tderandtray and play with it. |
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| __Chris | Or use in the kontrolcenter the "Monitor & Display" module. Should be the same. |
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| DarwinElf | that didn't work |
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| DarwinElf | just blank |
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| DarwinElf | i.e. tderandtray just ran, said nothing, and exited |
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| DarwinElf | sudo kcontrol was just its window, with a blank menu |
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| DarwinElf | I'd
like complete instructions this time, because I'm going to have to
reinstall to retry, and if it doesn't work, reinstall to get back to IRC |
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| DarwinElf | complete, tested instructions for 14.0.3. Not just a theory |
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| DarwinElf | or if someone finally releases the Slackware 14.0.4 builds I know used to be made, I can try that |
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| Chris__ | DarwinElf:
Was TDE/tdelibs compiled with xrand support? Because that's supposed to
be the xinerama replacement. It's not normal, that tderandtray just
exits. Seems there are problems with Slackware builds of TDE. That is no
offense or something like that. But after that TDM problem with
Slackware builds some week ago, this comes to my mind. |
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| Chris__ | And
you don't need to use sudo to power kcontrol. Just start it and do to
> system -> monitor & display. Some popup will be there if
root is needed. If that is not existent, most likely TDE was build
without xrandr support. |
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| Chris__ | *go |
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| DarwinElf | I didn't make either of the builds, but should be offended about who made them |
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| DarwinElf | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Thanks for the KMail related commit. |
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| SlavekB | I watched backtraces in ~/.xsession-errors, so I found it good to do it :) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull :-) |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB:
Aside from the ongoing Bionic issues (Ubuntu is just changing too fast
for the archive mirror to keep up) the other build problems *should* be
fixed now |
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| kb9vqf | (especially Zesty) |
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| SlavekB | Problem with dbus in Buster base-images is also solved? |
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| kb9vqf | hmmm, maybe not. can you link over a failed build? |
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| SlavekB | https://librarian.quickbuild.io/7770603/buildlog_ubuntu-buster-armel.wv2_0.4.2.dfsg.2-2debian10.0.0%2B0~a_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz |
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| kb9vqf | ( I was away for a week, digging out of mountains of work today ) |
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| kb9vqf | huh |
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| kb9vqf | does that affect all architectures? |
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| SlavekB | not all. |
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| SlavekB | armel, amd64, i386 |
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| kb9vqf | interesting |
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| kb9vqf | so I'm guessing somehow a stale run file crept into the image? |
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| * kb9vqf goes to check |
| SlavekB | Yes, it seems that an orphaned pid file appeared in the images. |
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| kb9vqf | OK,
will clean that up. It'll be a couple of hours as the files
need to be decompressed, fixed, recompressed, then reuploaded |
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| kb9vqf | also as a heads up we'll be taking the ppc64el builder offline for another attempt at the CPU upgrades soon |
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| kb9vqf | if all goes well it'll be back in service later tonight |
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| SlavekB | Thanks for the information. |
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| SlavekB | And I also thank you for solving previous problems. |
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| kb9vqf | no problem, thanks for bearing with me :) |
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| kb9vqf | I'd
like to see bionic builds online soon but I don't know if I can get a
good mirror with how fast the archive is changing upstream |
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| SlavekB | it's a bit strange that invalid checksums are reported on some files for Bionic. |
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| SlavekB | I have seen similar behavior with a malfunctioning proxy (transparent proxy on Sophos UTM). |
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| kb9vqf | Yes, I've seen it before too when the upstream files are changing while the mirror is happening |
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| kb9vqf | I wonder also if the connection is simply timing out |
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| kb9vqf | so the last part of the file is lost |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: Buster is fixed and compiling |
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| kb9vqf | ppc64 builder should be back in service in the next few hours; have some OS setup to do yet |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf: several builds fail without any useful information - see https://quickbuild.io/~slavek-banko/+archive/ubuntu/deps-r14/+builds?build_state=failed |
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| __Chris | Is there some option to force Konversations proxy/socks settings or is that possible only globaly in TDE? |
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| pitriss | none I know about.. But i never needed proxy.. |
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| chewie_ | hi all, i wrote a small patch for qmake.conf to compile tqt3 with a clang |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/bKM5x |
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| chewie_ | is everything right here or are there any other parameters that need to be specified? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Can you point me to the "convert_existing_qt3_app_to_tqt3" script? |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/experimental/tree/ |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is there anything special about that script? Because I get syntax
errors like that: "./convert_existing_qt3_app_to_tqt3: line 2:
` "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">' |
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| SlavekB | do you have the downloaded script as a "raw" code or as a webpage? |
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| _Chris_ | No. What a shame. |
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| SlavekB | See link "plain" |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/experimental/plain/qt3-tqt3/convert_existing_qt3_app_to_tqt3 |
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| _Chris_ | Good one. Thanks. I was really wondered. |
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| _Chris_ | I just checked again and again the content of the script within the browser. Without having some clue how that can be. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, the git mirror is already available on https. |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you. It works now. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe the link to the git mirror on homepage should be changed to https then too. |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | is sckeduled a new release of TDE? |
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| a-865 | anyone know if TDE should be working in Buster? I just upgraded a 32-bit stretch to buster. Now Xorg is crashing. :-( |
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| a-865 | found solution, same as in openSUSE - Xorg doesn't tolerate having compositing disabled |
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| a-865 | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104993 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 104993: was not found. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | That
is typical for the "modern time". Compositing has to be on, because all
crap needs it. So we don't care about people with old hardware, or IGPs
which are working wonderfull with TDE, for example. It's so sad. Really
sad. But there is hope. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | There
is some guy, working on old OpenChrome IGP graphic chips drivers and he
will most likely make fit all the old graphic chips drivers from later
1990 up to 2005. Here is his blog. https://bracecomputerlab.com/
Mainboards with this chips are easy to find and they are working
wonderfull with TDE. So you can still use a cheap, old PC and use TDE
with a board having this kind of chips. All the good old SiS, VIA,
Intel, |
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| Chris|Unichrome | 3DFX, Matrox and other chips. :-) |
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| Chris|Unichrome | It's
good to know someone still care about that. So maybe Linux can be again
a choice for old devices in future. And TDE will be the perfect DE for
them. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Some
ATI Rage 128 chip is sufficient for running a TDE desktop. So that
works again then. There is some other guy working on that driver too. He
is also the maintainer of the DRI1 mesa drivers in arch linux. Conan is
his name. Also a lot of Macbook and Powerbooks and Apple G4 devices are
using this chips. |
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| selk | hello |
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| selk | there is a new version underway? |
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| selk | the latest stable provided version can work under gcc 7? |
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| SlavekB | Preliminary R14.0.5 contains several commits associated with GCC7. |
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| selk | nice |
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| selk | what is the minimum required to run TDE?, i mean, for older computers |
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| SlavekB | At present, I can not guess when R14.0.5 will be the final - there are a few things that would be good to solve. |
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| SlavekB | I would say 512 MiB RAM is a good start. |
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| selk | understand |
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| SlavekB | My old EeePC has 1 GiB RAM and Atom processor and is still well usable with TDE. |
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| SlavekB | I tried the old SGI Indy workstation with 64 MiB RAM and it's not very good to work :) |
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| selk | hehe |
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| selk | well 512MB is still a good size for something complete like KDE3/TDE |
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| pitriss | I
need to go to sleep.. But I had TDE on debian on machine 800MHz Duron
and err 1.5GB RAM but there was plenty free ram everytime |
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| pitriss | So if you also need some measure CPUwise, it could be also handy for you.. It was running quite smoot heve on such old machine |
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| pitriss | *smooth even |
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| selk | free ram, sounds good :0 |
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| selk | :) |
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| selk | I sent a small donation to the trinity project :-) |
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| selk | hope it helps |
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| SlavekB | thank you - every donation will help! |
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| selk | :) |
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| selk | is systemd, consolekit or udisks required for TDE? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | No, at least if you self-compile it. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | systemd in no way. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | for udisks you can use pmount or udevil. |
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| selk | it will work fine with dbus an eudev, right? |
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| selk | *and |
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| selk | from https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Trinity_Desktop_Environment |
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| selk | "
One of most notable features of R14 is implementation of the Trinity
Desktop Hardware Library (tdehwlib) that did away with dependency on
HAL. With the HAL dependency removed, R14's foundation now rests solidly
on current and maintained libraries and dependencies. For systems still
based on HAL (such as *bsd), HAL support is still available as a
building option." |
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| selk | interesting |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Right. I use eudev here. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Works like a charm. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | And without dbus too. |
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| selk | and you have udevil? |
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| Chris|Unichrome | No, I use, if I am right, udevil. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | You can compile in all this deps and if one is not there, the other option will be choosen in runtime. |
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| selk | good news :) |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Yes :-) |
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| selk | the only problem is that I am using GCC 7.3.0 |
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| selk | there is a way to get the latest sources (tarballs)? |
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| selk | those can compile against GCC7 if I am not wrong.. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | You can clone latest dev version from git. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I am using it too. Works very stable. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | Should work with GCC 7 then. |
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| Chris|Unichrome | I have to go AFK for now. Good luck :-) |
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| selk | take care! |
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| luke-jr | 70 minutes to build @system |
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| luke-jr | why does gdb spend several seconds from `run` to `main`? |
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| luke-jr | or doing much of anything apparently |
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| luke-jr | it's as if it's single-stepping through everything |
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| luke-jr | oops, wrong channel |
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| luke-jr | yay, TDEMail's been good to me for the last day I've been using it |
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| selk | hi all |
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| pitriss | hi guys.. Any idea why konversation doesn't even try to use kwalllet ?:) |
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| thunderstar | Good morrning all. I am just shortly here and do not want to bother you too long. Just a question, may I ask? |
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| thunderstar | I
want to try TDE on debian/testing i386. When I add the repository to
the sources.list, will the installation and the repository destroy my
existing debian installation? |
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| pitriss | aww that thunderguy wasnt patient enough:( |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| _Chris_ | Hello :-) |
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| sacarde | do you know if will builded iso ubuntu18.04+trinity ? |
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| _Chris_ | You mean when? |
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| sacarde | yes |
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| _Chris_ | No. Maybe Slavek can tell you about that :-) |
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| sacarde | ok |
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| chewie__ | hi, How can I enable scrolling in the tde console with the mouse wheel? |
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| _Chris_ | Works for me per default. |
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| chewie__ | I compile from the source environment and it does not work for me |
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| _Chris_ | Me too. At least in Gentoo. |
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| chewie__ | clarification: when I run nano in the console, the text scrolling does not work |
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| _Chris_ | I tested it now, with nano. Works perfectly. |
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| _Chris_ | Does it work in urxvt or different terminal-emulators? |
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| chewie__ | works in console xfce |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, than I am out. It works for me out of the box. |
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| _Chris_ | Ritually rebuilding of TDE is up for today. Fetching the new commits made the last months. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Compiling tdescreensaver brings me now: "opengl is requested and found, but it doesn't provides glXChooseVisual() or G" |
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| _Chris_ | And kcheckpass brings me: "pam are requested, but not found on your system" |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely that is again a Gentoo specific problem. Once again. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | high! just made a first "test" run with kdiff3 from the preliminary repo for stretch (on MX linux) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | in
a 800GB collection of 1,500,000 files it found ~550 files which are
allegedly different, but md5sum and diff speak another language... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | is that known already? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well, i didn't check back all ~550 files ;-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | as an interesting fact, one of the files alone is 500GB, in that was no difference detected... |
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| _Chris_ | That's a interesting test. |
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| _Chris_ | Fun
fact: On one of my HDDs, the cache chipset was bad and if I did some
md5sum check, the md5 was different on every run. But I could
compile and do what ever I wanted, without any bitflips or problems. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | it wasn't actually meant as a test of the programm ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | I know. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so, you mean, it could be a hardware issue? |
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| _Chris_ | But this problem is such rare. |
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| _Chris_ | Please
do some md5 checksum on the 500GB file and do another one on a
different file. After that re-run md5sum on the 500GB file again and
look for the result. In my case, the md5 was different after that test. |
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| _Chris_ | Fun
is it, to get all files from this HDD after you know that the cache is
broken. Because all what is done internal made no problems. But if you
copied files from this HDD to a different HDD, the files had
bitflip-errors. So some bites were different. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | as
i said, the 500GB was reported as identical on both drives... running
second md5sum over two 8GB images now, which were reported differently
by kdiff3... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, that's what worries me, too... |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know about kdiff3 much. |
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| _Chris_ | Please do the check above on some files. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and to say, i don't know which copy is correct :-D |
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| _Chris_ | You have to check another file between these two checks. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | oh... |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely the data on these drives will be right. Just if you read them (with cache) bitflips will ocour. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ya, if it's the same error as on your disk... |
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| _Chris_ | It's just some idea. I have seen much. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | of course... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | would be a nice feature now if kdiff3 could export a list of the apparently different files |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k, found one that is "only" 51MB and funny... "opening of file %f failed" in kdiff3 when trying to see them side-by-side... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k, apparently i was just ... umm...... overly... and silly... and overly silly... *blush* |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so, the whole again... as root :-/ |
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| OxFEEDBACC | though i'm sure, the problem will be gone with that simple measure, i stay here meanwhile, if that doesn't bother you... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and thanks you _Chris_ for your time and sorry for wasting it :-/ |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. Just write here if you have problems. We are all very friendly here. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i know... that's why i came here ;-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | Number of different files: 0 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | :-D |
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| OxFEEDBACC | just 4 hours... i felt it took longer on the former attempt... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | anyway, one could consider it a bug, that it reports a difference for files that i can't actually open... |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that's because the md5sum on a not to open file is "different". |
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| _Chris_ | Just try it in konsole. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i don't think kdiff3 uses checksumming for comparison... because it handles a pair of files synchronously... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | it
also doesn't have a method to tell if differently named files are
equal, which would be a piece of cake to implement, if you have hashes
anyway... |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I just realised that it was named "diff". |
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| _Chris_ | So I can imagine how that is done. Thinking on git... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so, was a long weekend anyway... l8rs... and thanks again... |
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| _Chris_ | You are welcome :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And interesting Nickname. |
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| selk | hi |
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| OxFEEDBACC | indeed, __Chris, and i wondered when i found it unoccupied back then :-D |
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| a-865 | is Xorg crashing for all Buster users? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | just "upgraded" to stretch, so no idea here... |
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| selk | Good morning |
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| chewie_ | hi, here is the tde build script for slackware https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds |
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| chewie_ | if there are any mistakes or additions, correct them |
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| selk | interesanting |
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| selk | *interesting |
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| selk | one question, where is the source list? |
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| chewie_ | the sources are downloaded automatically from ftp |
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| chewie_ | not all packages are in the script, if you want to add them, always welcome |
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| selk | those versions belong to the latest release (r14.0.4) ? |
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| chewie_ | yes, latest stable tde |
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| selk | i see |
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| OxCEA5ED | and i take it, if something goes wrong, and i run it a second time, it will then _not_ download the packages again? |
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| chewie_ | my screenshot https://ibb.co/nsTFPH |
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| chewie_ | all packages will be stored in /src |
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| chewie_ | they do not need to be downloaded a second time |
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| OxCEA5ED | of course they don't need... but is your script aware of that fact? ;-) |
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| chewie_ | yes, you can upload them in advance and put in /src :) |
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| OxCEA5ED | k ;-) |
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| OxCEA5ED | i will take a look at the script, though not a slackware user... |
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| chewie_ | this script was written by another person, I made some improvements to it |
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| OxCEA5ED | that's not an excuse, is it? LOL |
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| OxCEA5ED | btw, i'm a TDE user, not developer |
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| chewie_ | if there are errors, point to them |
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| OxCEA5ED | as you desire... |
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| chewie_ | the
problem that I found the polkit-gnome-agent does not start
automatically when you login via TDM and a manual registration fails. As
a consequence no Gnome program requiring authorization works |
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| chewie_ | I do not know how to solve this |
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| chewie_ | this may be an error in the tde itself |
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| chewie_ | or in slackware |
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| selk | why polkit-gnome-agent is needed? |
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| OxCEA5ED | i'd say in the tde-slackware integration... if it was a generic error in TDE or slackware, it would likely have been fixed... |
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| OxCEA5ED | to automatically ask for root password when needed... i guess for gparted and so... |
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| chewie_ | The
second problem seems to be the incorrect operation of the gcc compiler
on slackware, which sometimes causes desynchronization in tqt3 and a
drop in kdesktop when the tde session is opened |
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| chewie_ | but non on all processors |
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| chewie_ | I'm watching this on my core2duo |
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| chewie_ | a workaround is to use a clang instead of gcc |
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| chewie_ | it seems that this does not cause any drop in productivity at first glance |
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| OxCEA5ED | for the first time in many years of using KDE/TDE i seem to have trouble configuring the display power management... |
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| OxCEA5ED | the screen goes off, but immediately on again after the configured time... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i
wonder what i'm doing wrong... i tried several combinations of
standby/suspend/poweroff, including activating them stepwise after 4/5/6
minutes, all at the same time, and now even disabling standby and
suspend, directly powering off the display... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ok, desperate measure deactivating the screen saver seems to solve the issue... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | but i bet that would also not lock the screen... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and i'm right... so that's not an option... |
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| pitriss | OxFEEDBACC: for me when I wanted to have screen-off on keyboard shortcut i needed to use sleep 1;xset dpms force off |
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| pitriss | as key up event was waking my screen just after turning it off |
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| pitriss | And automatic switching of screen after timeout works for me. But I don't use screensaver at all.. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i'm not talking about keyboard activation... it's just the inactivity trigger... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yea, without screensaver that works here, too... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | actually i don't care about the saver, when the screen is off anyway, but i want the display to be locked... |
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| pitriss | anyway, i just checked.. enabvled screensaver, screen locking and it works for me |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, and as i said, it's the first time in yeeeeaaars using KDE/TDE that it doesn't work :-/ |
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| pitriss | try to play with tdepowersave a bit.. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i played with it many bits ;-) |
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| pitriss | ok:) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i will try harder... |
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| selk | I wonder if the fix for GCC7 solves the build on GCC8 |
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| a-865 | Has repo for openSUSE 15.0 been queued up yet? Release is due in 14 days. Testing it kind of messy using 42.3 repos. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: is there anything more I can do to help you debug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 ? |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2780: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , no notification on optical or USB media insertion |
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| Strangelv | Anyone
know if we're thrown under the bus with LibreOffice 6 or does it
work? My distro is really wanting to upgrade to it |
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| * Strangelv hopes that Konversation doesn't crash again right before someone responds |
| a-865 | Strangelv:
I did an upgrade that included it a few hours ago, but didn't try
starting LO, and that PC is offline now until that workspace frees up |
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| a-865 | dunno why it should be any problem |
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| Strangelv | There
was a post by their deverlopers last year where they rather militantly
decided that they wouldn't be supporting us any more |
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| a-865 | 6.0.3.2 writer is running on openSUSE 42.3/KDE3, so should also work on TDE |
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| a-865 | which "us" were they pointing to? |
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| Strangelv | TDE and by extension anyone using it |
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| pitriss | LO should work but without TDE integration AFAIK |
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| Chris__ | Right. |
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| luke-jr | was TDE notified of efail, and/or does anyone know if it's affected? https://twitter.com/hrdng/status/995963750443347968 |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2018/05/14/pgp-encrypted-email-vulnerability-exposes-private-messages/ |
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| selk | there are plans to release a new version of TDE soon? |
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| luke-jr | seems like TDEMail *is* vulnerable to at least part of EFAIL fwiw |
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| luke-jr | not sure the best way to fix it |
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| luke-jr | I
was thinking of putting the content of each MIME part into an iframe,
but iframes have braindead semantics (can't have them auto-adjust size
easily) |
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| luke-jr | (it would interrupt flow between different parts too, which may or may not be desirable) |
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| Chris_ | luke-jr: Nice that you think about that semantic. Right. |
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| luke-jr | I'm not sure I trust KHTML 3.x anyway, so I might just end up disabling HTML entirely :/ |
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| luke-jr | if anyone wants a non-malicious test email, I can forward it |
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| selk | SlavekB, hi |
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| selk | there are plans to publish a new version of TDE, soon? |
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| SlavekB | Hi, selk. Yes, as soon as possible. |
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| selk | do you have an estimated time? |
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| selk | I am asking, because I am distributor |
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| selk | I am interested in include TDE as the default desktop environment |
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| selk | but we are using GCC7 and probably I will switch to GCC8 |
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| SlavekB | I expect approximately 2 months. |
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| selk | I know that the current version does not work under GCC7, currently |
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| selk | aha |
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| selk | s/current/previous |
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| SlavekB | R14.0.5~preliminary should work with GCC7. |
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| selk | from where I can obtain it? |
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| SlavekB | If you want the source code, the best way is GIT branch r14.0.x. |
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| selk | the code from git need to be generated, using autogen, right? |
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| SlavekB | Some
packages are build by CMake => no need autogen. Some packages are
build by automake => need to regenerate automake files. |
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| selk | I see |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#List_of_Packages_Building_with_cmake |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications#List_of_Packages_Building_with_cmake |
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| selk | thx for the links! |
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| __Chris | Good
news: Most likely the next xine-lib version will have the aRts output
plugin included again. I talked with petri, one of the devs and he was
positive about that, if we have something from that in TDE. It was just
removed in 2007, because there was no future of KDE3. |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: aRts kindof sucks though; it would be better to rid of it in TDE |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: is anyone planning to fix efail? |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr: For the time being, I did not analyze how large adjustments would be necessary. |
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| Chris__ | After investigating XMPP code of Kopete, I found out, it's based on PSI. -> http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdenetwork/tree/kopete/protocols/jabber/libiris/README_BEFORE_COMMITTING
And since a year PSI development seems to be active again. So in
theory, it would be possible, to sync back from PSI to Kopete XMPP
backend, so that Kopete has up to date XMPP support. At least from
backend code. Sadly the code history of Kopete |
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| Chris__ | is
gone, so someone has to discover the changes with diff to know what has
changed since syncing. Maybe it's using the code of PSI back from 2005.
https://psi-im.org/ |
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| Chris__ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdenetwork/tree/kopete/protocols/jabber/libiris/iris/xmpp-core/protocol.cpp -> https://github.com/psi-im/iris/blob/master/src/xmpp/xmpp-core/protocol.cpp At least the comments and copyrights are still the same. Funny. |
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| luke-jr | well, Psi isn't exactly up to date either. it's been giving me headaches for months :/ |
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| luke-jr | but yes, it can probably be at least closer to up to date by syncing it :p |
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| luke-jr | I
wonder if TDE would benefit from a bot that pegs every KDE commit as
"to look at backporting" and has a way for contributors to look at each
one and flag it n/a or backportable |
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| luke-jr | I know I found a bunch of KMail commits after the fork point that would be applicable.. |
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| Chris__ | luke-jr:
I did check that for several TDE projects for fun. I also found some
KHTML commits which could be backported. First step would be to note
that on the bugtracker. There are also several external libs which needs
to be synced in TDE. Maybe some bugreport should keep track of that.
Some meta-bugreport which holds all of this. I don't know. Just some
idea. |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: Is TDE hosting the sysinfo tdeioslave back from SuSE time? |
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| SlavekB | I think this is not in the TDE repository. |
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| __Chris | The thing is: I mean I have seen it somewhere, but maybe I am just dreaming. |
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| SlavekB | here is system:/ tdeioslav |
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| __Chris | https://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2006/07/086-suse-101/abb/sysinfo.png |
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| __Chris | http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2006/08/100-kde-tipps/sysinfo.png |
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| __Chris | I came to it by random and I recall that back from the time. |
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| SlavekB | It looks interesting - you can put 'package request' on TDE Bugzila. |
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| __Chris | Yes,
there are different variants of it. I don't know if it was some SuSE
only add-on. SuSE did a lot of nice things with their KDE3 desktop. My
first distribution I ever have seen was SuSE with KDE. Good old times.
:-) |
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| __Chris | https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php/KIO+Slave+sysinfo:+?content=58704 |
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| SlavekB | My first distribution was RedHat Linux 5.0 and the first good desktop environment was KDE 0beta4 :) |
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| __Chris | I also had my Fedora time. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I ended up with RedHat Linux in version 7.3, a long time before replacing RedHat Linux with Fedora. |
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| __Chris | Here is the code, but it is some KDE4 port. I don't find the code for KDE3. https://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kio_sysinfo/ |
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| __Chris | Interesting. https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/kio_sysinfo/ Seems KDE4 port of this KIO was with SuSE 11.0. |
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| __Chris | And here we are: https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/kio_sysinfo/branches/11.1-kde3/ :-) |
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| __Chris | That
KIO is just possible because TDE has the slim KHTML engine on board. So
for rendering something like this it is much faster than gecko or
webkit. It would be more than bad if someone had to load up whole webkit
in the RAM just to display something like this. With XHTMl 1.0 stric
and and CSS 3.0 you can do a lot in this context. |
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| __Chris | By investigating I found also this two old KDE3 applications. http://ktranslator.sourceforge.net/ and https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php/QuadKonsole?content=22482 |
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| pitriss | __Chris: quad console is easily doable in yakuake |
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| pitriss | __Chris: https://imgur.com/a/yqj6H51 |
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| __Chris | pitriss: Wonderfull. I just found it by random, so I wanted to note it. Nice konsole-background. :-) |
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| pitriss | ty..
unfortunatelly yakuake cant initialize it properly on first launch.. i
need to re-select schema to fix background (already reportted in
buguzilla by me) |
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| __Chris | Yes, I know. That was already in talk here. |
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| __Chris | And Konversation can't do alpha-channels in general, right? |
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| pitriss | yes |
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| __Chris | Yes, I recall it. :-) |
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| pitriss | I
just love to have background "watermarks" or how to call these semi
transparent backgrounds.. It make simple themes less boring :) |
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| pitriss | But I'm not complaining.. Trinity is best DE for linux so far.. Not so bloated, heavily customizable and still light |
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| pitriss | Bloated as not containing things like semantic desktop and such things |
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| pitriss | because
i didn't got why the heck KDE4 needed DB for semantic desktop.. and as
bonus you can'ŧ disable that crap.. KDE5 i don't want to comment in any
way.. ..i have not enough politically correct words to describe all
things that are IMO bad in it |
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| __Chris | Funny. |
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| __Chris | I recall the articles in the back to that time Linux magazines. The semantic desktop will change the way you see your files. |
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| __Chris | Too
bad I never met one who has used this ever. It's like the favorites
feature on webbrowsers. Why you should ever use that, if you can restore
all your 5000+ tabs? And if that is not enough, you can do some session
restore to restore the other 10000+ too. Sarcastic grin. |
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| __Chris | Most
people simply are faster in searching for some file (we have dirs too
to organize!) some times in the year than rebuild an index in every
second of running the DE. |
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| __Chris | And TDE has orphaned beagle/kerry too. Just for reference. |
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| __Chris | I
have to re-cap now some display which I got for free. They (Xerox)
found it funny to save some cents on the caps, so that they leaked in
fast time. Too sad. https://www.amazon.de/XG-91D-Xerox-XA7-19i/dp/B0002SA3DY |
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| pitriss | hehe
semantic desktop is useless.. as you said.. i have dirs, i have locate,
find and grep.. way faster than have desktop slowed by somethinthat i
need once per year |
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| SlavekB | ...and we already have tdeio_locate |
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| __Chris | And
in case of KWord for example you have some list with last files you
worked on. Okay, you do have that in most applications. But in can be
integrated more nicely. |
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| __Chris | That too SlavekB. :-) |
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| __Chris | Most problems are because today there is too much theory. |
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| pitriss | main problem is, that many devs think that they can invent wheel in really more sophisticated way. |
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| __Chris | Right, more or less what I wanted to say. |
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| pitriss | most of them wants revoilution but people wants evolution.. |
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| __Chris | For
example, Kopete and the KDE PIM applications. Back in the days the
backends were simply integrated. But in KDE4 they started to make some
extra libs for them, so they could be re-used. In theory. In everyday
use Kopete and the KDE PIM applications are still the only consumers of
this backends. So this has nearly no practical use. Just some more
abstraction layer more. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| __Chris | It's like coding some webpage. |
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| __Chris | Some people from today just use for simple taks whole frameworks. |
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| __Chris | But
most of the time it would be just simpler (and more secure because of
no maintaince too) to code some static version or a own simple script.
That's the reason the web is bloating up more and more. |
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| pitriss | hehe.. yeah.. I'm not cool.. I'm oldschool.. when I need webpage I write it in pure php/html or ruby/html without frameworks:) |
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| __Chris | That's the reason too why torvalds don't want to change to C++ with the Linux kernel. And that's good. |
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| __Chris | I
get the idea about frameworks. But you are dependent on that too then.
You need to update them, you have to learn the API, you have to adopt to
the new API. |
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| pitriss | exactly.. |
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| pitriss | Frameworks
are good when you need some complex webapp.. with moving this and
flashing that and you need many scripts.. But other question is.. Are
webapps that correct way of using web? How crawlers can index app? What
about blind or other handicapped people? |
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| __Chris | It's
most of the time some psychological problem I think. Exactly like using
guidlines or color palettes for icons. I mean that is nice, until the
point you use some third party applications. They will integrate much
more worse. And I like the designs back from 2005 and around much more,
because it was more art than a perfect concept like material design. |
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| pitriss | hehe did you seen last gimp icon theme?:D |
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| __Chris | Okay,
there are options for that too pitriss. But that all has some price.
Mostly you are better to do it yourself. Also you do really understand
what is working behind. For my taste the badest step in PC world was to
adopt the PC to the users and not to learn the people who wanted to use
some PC what some IP or a WPA2 key is. It lead to dependency. |
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| __Chris | You mean the black and white one? If so, that was the reason to finaly uninstall it. |
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| pitriss | yeah that black and white one.. |
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| __Chris | Over and out. Also if I could change that. For me I lost the trust in the devs with this kind of kiddy change. |
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| pitriss | three column of icons that are at first sight just the same.. |
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| pitriss | *colkumns |
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| __Chris | Fun fact: |
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| __Chris | Back in the times, when it started to be more easy... |
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| __Chris | ... I said: Look, in some years, the icons will be too complicated if they are colorfull. |
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| __Chris | People laught on me. |
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| pitriss | they
did the oposite.. they made them black and white and boom, icons lost
its value.. they are unable to tell you what they represent, they are
not helping you to orient in toolbars |
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| pitriss | s/orient/navigate/ |
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| pitriss | or hows correct word for that.. |
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| __Chris | I
also said something bad will happen, if all will be abstracted more and
more. Like calculators. People will adopt on it and in some long time,
only some people will understand how it works. And then, then they will
change they way the calculators are working for example to get power
over the people who doen't understand how it works. That is happening
actually in the PC world. Something like privacy and private data
stealing. This |
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| __Chris | normal people don't have any chance to get it anymore. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| __Chris | pitriss:
In some years, Icons will be obsolote. Too complex. In some years UIs
will be too complicated. Just some simple console does it. Why you need
buttons? Just text with the content. |
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| __Chris | Maybe we should base some design guideline on that. We will be pioneers of the future. :-) |
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| pitriss | when
you mentioned it.. I'm so happy there is qalculate back in tde.. it
peacefully sits in my tray a do all the tasks for me.. currency
conersions and units conversions ..:D |
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| __Chris | ...until someone change the way it works. :-P |
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| __Chris | But, there is open source. |
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| pitriss | Yeah.. But I'm using trinity and don't expect some radical UX changes:) |
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| __Chris | I am sure, that is done since a long time. Just in the finance world. |
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| __Chris | Yes, until they take our monitors. |
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| pitriss | Nope.. I will die for my old CRT Eizo :D |
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| __Chris | I am happy that touch displays never got much attention in the PC world. |
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| __Chris | At least on desktops. |
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| pitriss | yeah me too |
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| __Chris | Right, no one can steal my FW900. This person will break down running over the street with it. It's a feature. |
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| __Chris | I
am not against any change. Would be totaly okay if TDE adds some
options for touch users. But I don't like if that is forcing other users
to change the way they work. Direct or indirectly (over removing
features). |
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| __Chris | So I like to see TDE running on wayland, but I am stronly for preserve the old X11 backend in tQT3. |
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| __Chris | But that's the TDE philosophy anyway. See OpenRC/Init.d/systemd. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| pitriss | systemd is terrible.. i'm forced to work wit that thing at work.. but.. aww this thing will never appear on my desktop.. |
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| __Chris | So
I stronly hate mesa people for simply removing old DRI1 drivers. There
was not much maintaince work like I know and people would had fix it. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| pitriss | on other hand.. theres not much difference with nvidia.. they keep drivers but depend on way too old xorg |
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| __Chris | That experiment to get them running I had to stop. But I will try in future again. |
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| __Chris | Yes, but nouveau people seems to be nice. |
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| __Chris | And yes, their 3D state is poor. |
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| pitriss | the
same with my ooold prestigio laptop.. I see it was crap even when it
was new.. but now, without any supported driver.. its even worse |
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| __Chris | Ah, I searched for that chipset some months ago when we talked about that. |
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| __Chris | I mean it still works, but there was something you had to do. I don't know anymore. |
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| __Chris | I
don't like some llvm-emulated-3D crap. I am prefering 3D native
features of some chip, even if it's supporting only OpenGL 1.3. |
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| pitriss | it works but only on generic driver so it have troubles to even play movie:) |
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| __Chris | For using TDE this works wonders. |
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| pitriss | yeah it works smooth in TDE of course.. but rest is terrible.. |
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| __Chris | Right, but you can get it to work, just don't know anymore how, don't know the chipset anymore. |
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| __Chris | I am happy if some old machine can play chromium-bsu nativly. Good nostalgic feeling :-) |
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| pitriss | no need to worry.. I hope I can get some new laptop soon.. theres a lot of decomissioned lenovos with i5 at work.. :) |
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| __Chris | I have to smile. |
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| __Chris | But lenovo is now this chinese company. |
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| pitriss | Its only to fight with these fake "paper" obstacles :D |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| pitriss | but still better than that thing i have now :D |
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| __Chris | No, thinkpads are now under lenovo and they are that evil chinese company. This way. |
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| __Chris | Yes, should be not that bad from what I have read. |
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| pitriss | T420 with i5 is quite good HW.. not ideal but quite good.. |
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| pitriss | that optimus crap is pissing me off |
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| __Chris | Hardware just needs to be sufficient for work. |
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| __Chris | Does it work now under Linux? |
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| __Chris | I mean I have seen some kernel support in menuconfig. |
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| pitriss | yeah but its a lot hassle with it.. But i guess for movies will be that intel integrated one sufficient:) |
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| __Chris | I still have my sony laptop from.... 2003 or 2005? With some nvidia Go5600FX using nouveau driver with some P4. Eyerolling. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. |
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| Chris_ | The copyright for KShutDown is always up to date. 2003 - 3000. Funny. |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is it possible to build TDE against QT3 and not against TQT3?
Background is to get ride of the TQTInterface layer. Because from what I
have seen it is only needed for later webkit integration and the
QT4-theme-engine. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe I am getting something wrong. |
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| Chris_ | So TDE is using TQTInterface -> TQT3. For all calls, is that right or I am wrong about that? |
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| SlavekB | Chris_: long time no one tried it. R13 is built with Qt3, R14 is built with TQt. |
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| SlavekB | tqtinterface is built under all circumstances. |
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| Chris_ | Okay, so linking against QT3 is not needed in my case. |
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| SlavekB | When tqtinterface is built with TQt3, tqtinterface is more or less "transparent". |
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| Chris_ | Okay, so there is no real gain when removing that layer? |
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| Chris_ | This "boost" lib sucks. More and more applications (not TDE) are using it. It's a pain to build all the time. |
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| a-865 | where in KControl is mouse pointer size controlled? |
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| a-865 | is a non-default cursor theme required to get bigger sizes? |
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| a-865 | adwaita seems OK |
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| a-865 | yet another system with 'tdecmshell fonts' that can't find module kde-fonts, and no answer to be found anywhere how to fix |
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| a-865 | tdecmshell --list claims module fonts exists |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2902 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2903 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2904 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2905 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2906 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2907 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2908 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2911 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2911 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , konqueror doesn't remember scrolling position |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2912 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2912 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , no compliance with xdg user directories specification |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2913 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2913 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , default theme should be in the list |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2910 from NEW --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 960 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=960 normal, P1, ---, kb9vqf, REOPENED , Build issue: libkipi is not the latest compatible version |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2788 from CONFIRMED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2788 wishlist, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, How do you remove all of Samba without gutting TDE? |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2732 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2732 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , wish option to not create unwanted directories in $HOME |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2221 from NEW --- to RESOLVED WONTFIX. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2221 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Mirror redirection corner case - directories |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2605 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2605 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , gwenview crashes on continued perusal of artwork directories |
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| tbottu | 10mgb-trinity@yosemite.net changed the Status on bug 2221 from RESOLVED WONTFIX to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 10mrmazda@earthlink.net changed the Status on bug 2732 from NEEDINFO to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2221 from REOPENED to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2903 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2914 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2914 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , trinity server/website metabug |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2041 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2041 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , firefox dies |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1205 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1205 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [kdesktop] Crash on startup |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1292 from NEW --- to RESOLVED WONTFIX. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1292 wishlist, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Webkit and Gecko render backend for Konqueror |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1396 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1396 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Thunderbird 17.0.2 - Will Not Accept Attachments using TDE -- with KDE4 it's OK |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2915 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2915 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, set pool.sks-keyservers.net as default keyserver in kgpg |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2864 from NEW --- to RESOLVED WONTFIX. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2864 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Uploading new PCLinuxOS tde remaster to trinitydesktop.org |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2916 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2916 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kaffeine-gstreamer doesn't play files with "%", "#" in name |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2917 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2917 trivial, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , in kaffeine-gstreamer, extra word "sink" in engine parameters |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2918 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2918 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kaffeine-gstreamer ui, doern't detect end of video and pause |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2919 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2919 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [wish] in kaffeine-gstreamer, a more usable position slider |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2920 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2920 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, kaffeine-gstreamer too much CPU when idle |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2921 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2921 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kaffeine-xine sound driver issues |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2922 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2922 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , upgrade to bugzilla 5.0 |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2585 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2585 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, TDE Bugzilla bug tracker missing TDE versions |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2923 filed by wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2923 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kaffeine-xine hangs with video driver none. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2395 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1205 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 960 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2915 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2794 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2794 major, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, ark can't open rar files |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1205 from REOPENED to NEW. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1205 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [kdesktop] Crash on startup |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2794 from NEEDINFO to ASSIGNED. |
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| tbottu | 10wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 2059 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2059 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, No checksum in PCLinuxOS repo |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2794 from ASSIGNED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2924 filed by slavek.banko@axis.cz. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2924 normal, P5, ---, slavek.banko, RESOLVED FIXED, Proposal for changes of URLs pointing to themes.kde.org |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2924 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 2924 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2925 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2925 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , dbus-1-tqt returning only last map for array of maps |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2926 filed by deloptes@yahoo.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2926 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Logout screen - after logout and login no suspend or hibernate option |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2925 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2927 filed by ray-v@inbox.lv. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2927 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , libtdevnc pthread_mutexattr_settype and CRYPTO_num_locks errors |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: only in |
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| a-865 | MicheleC: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/KDE/stracelogs.zip has the straces. I can't tell anything useful. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: tdecmshell fonts is incompatible with yast2-fonts https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2821 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug
2821: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [openSUSE] yast2-fonts installed
causes tdecmshell to be unable to find module 'kde-fonts' |
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| Chris__ | Yast2, there was something about that.... SuSE ist back for more. :-) |
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| chewie_ | Hi, I'm compiling kdbusnotification from git and I'm having an error |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/meQSL |
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| chewie_ | any help? |
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| SlavekB | You can try: |
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| SlavekB | --- a/src/daemon/daemon.cpp |
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| SlavekB | +++ b/src/daemon/daemon.cpp |
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| SlavekB | @@ -31,6 +31,7 @@ |
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| SlavekB | #include <knotifyclient.h> |
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| SlavekB | #include <tdeaboutdata.h> |
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| SlavekB | #include <tdecmdlineargs.h> |
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| SlavekB | +#include <tdeglobal.h> |
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| SlavekB | #include <tdelocale.h> |
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| SlavekB | #include <tdeapplication.h> |
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| SlavekB | #include <kiconloader.h> |
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| SlavekB | chewie_: by the way: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tqt3/commit/?id=1de74439 |
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| Chris__ | Microsoft
bought GitHub. Say goodbye to GitHub. Besides the fact, that I never
trusted that company. Good that TDE has a own GIT server. MS will do to
GH the same what they did to Skype. |
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| luke-jr | >implying Skype (or GitHub for that matter) was ever good |
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| Chris__ | Right.
At least Skype I used in version 2 for Linux. I liked the qt3 version.
After that, all went wrong. That was after MS bought Skype. |
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| pitriss | heh my first thougth after that aquisition: "Hmm hmm codeplex v2.0" |
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| brain | Hi all, great desktop, great distro! |
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| * brainy dancing around |
| SlavekB | brainy: we like when users are happy :) |
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| brainy | xD |
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| Borg^Queen | hello
people. I have a problem. I'm trying to set me monitor / tv to
1680x1050 (was using that before reinstalling) but it's not accepting
it. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm using the lastest release of Alex's bigdaddy pclos |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: The "xrandr --query" statement provides reasonable resolutions? |
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| Borg^Queen | did that |
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| Borg^Queen | it's there |
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| Borg^Queen | hi SlavekB btw |
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| SlavekB | When you set this resolution using the krandr tray icon, what is the reaction? |
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| Borg^Queen | until I add it, it's not there. |
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| Borg^Queen | When I do, and set it. It works |
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| chewie_ | hi |
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| chewie_ | SlavekB: your patch for kdebusnotificator did not help |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/pRSoz |
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| SlavekB | chewie_: thank you for feedback |
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| chewie_ | Currently the git-version is not going with three applications with CLang: it's kdbusnotification, soundkonverter and k9copy |
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| Borg^Queen | Hi People. Just did a pclos trinity install, updated and my nic stopped working. |
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| Borg^Queen | a r8168 |
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| Borg^Queen | NM fixed it |
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| Borg^Queen | ok now tdenetworkmanger is telling me it doesn't have perm to add new connection |
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| Borg^Queen | ok noticed 'networkmanger is not running" |
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| Borg^Queen | how do I get it up and running again? |
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| pitriss | sorry, I don'ŧ use NM at all.. |
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| Borg^Queen | :( |
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| Borg^Queen | ok I got it working. The NetworkManager daemon wasn't auto starting |
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| chewie_ | krusader from git also does not compile with Clang https://paste.ee/p/c1m2p |
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| chewie_ | hi, how can I solve the error with krusader? |
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| chewie_ | ../../../krusader/VFS/krarchandler.cpp:654:61: error: hex escape sequence out of |
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| chewie_ | range |
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| chewie_ | ...{"xz", 0, "\xfd7zXZ\x00" } }; |
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| Silbern_ | Hi,
I have a question. Has anyone tried using Kmail with Gmail? If so, do
you know what settings you need to put in to get smtp functioning? I've
tried various combinations of SSL,TLS, changing the ports, and even
different login schemes, but none work. It just errors out with
"Unrecognized Transport Protocol"... |
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| pitriss | ahh he timeouted:/ |
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| pitriss | i was about to answer him |
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| _Chris_ | Mad world. |
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| pitriss | Silbern_: I'm using gmail in kmail:) |
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| Silbern_ | Awesome! Can you send messages in it? |
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| pitriss | Silbern_: server: smtp.gmail.com port: 25 check authentification, put there your mail address and passowrd, and tls / plain |
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| Silbern_ | Doesn't work unfortunately, the transmission area displays "Unrecognized transport protocol. Unable to send message." |
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| Silbern_ | I've double checked that I put in my details and I've tried it with another Gmail account too and that one doesn't work either |
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| Silbern_ | I thought I had maybe the wrong port, but I've tried 25, 465, and 587 and none of them work... |
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| pitriss | it works for me for many years now.. |
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| pitriss | even autodetect works for me and gives me the same result |
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| Silbern_ | Hmm,
okay, so then I rule out problems with the connection settings. That's
pretty useful actually :) Kmail should have all of the libraries and
such it needs installed with apt, right? It works out of the box on
Trinity? |
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| pitriss | yeah it should have all dependencies installed from apt |
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| Silbern_ | Oooh, does Kmail leave any logs somewhere? |
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| Silbern_ | Or does it have a verbose mode? |
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| Silbern_ | (I couldn't find one in the man page) |
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| chewie_ | I wrote a small patch for krusader correcting hex escape sequence out of range |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/bXanp |
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| chewie_ | I think that the corresponding changes need to be made in git |
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| _Chris_ | Some words about gmail. |
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| _Chris_ | I had one with exactly the same problems. But with some android email client. |
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| _Chris_ | The password was not right it seems. But in fact, it was. |
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| _Chris_ | The solution was to login over the web and to verify the pc. |
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| _Chris_ | After that the password worked with the same options. |
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| _Chris_ | Google simply refused to let the client fetch the emails because they thought it was some different than the owner. |
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| _Chris_ | So
that is maybe just the case, if someone uses some android device in
combination with gmail. You have to verify the device (your pc in this
case) and it will show some numbers on your mobile device, which you
have to select on the pc. |
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| _Chris_ | Until that imap/smtp was not possible anymore. |
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| _Chris_ | Just for some input. Gmail is creepy. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: not only gmail.. whole google is.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
fortunatelly boom of single board computers opened plenty of options..
everyone now can have some thingy to serve personal web apps from their
living room.. without significant energy drain.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: it needs only a little of know how and some money.. but rPi is quite cheap but powerful |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
I have bananapi with all of its downsides, limitations (old linux
kernel, almost no support) but it can serve me whole plex multimedia
server and plenty web services (calendar, pastebin, wiki and so on) and
I'm the one who owns these data..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Right, I know. I just thought it would be not pleasent to blame about G00gle here. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I thought bananapi is good supported. |
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| pitriss | hehe Google is scary, MS is not so much anymore.. :D except their aquisition of Github.. |
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| pitriss | bananapi nope.. but m2 ultra have native sata and onboard 8GB emmc |
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| pitriss | so in combination with 4TB drive with external power supply it is really nice.. :D |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't use any G00gle services. But it was scary to see how
untransparent a simple login to your email account over the web was. All
is shared. Just some email provider would be much better. But android
doesn't allow that since 2010 or so. Back in time, you were allowed to
use your own email for getting apps. |
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| pitriss | power consumption is not more than 12W in peak.. it can quite easily live recode movie (it had trouble with only few ones) |
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| pitriss | and
I have plan to buy raspberry Pi latest version and use it as some retro
gaming console using RetroPi.. Just some gamepads attached and some
nice psx games (dino crissis, alone in the dark 4, gran turismo 2) and a
lot of fun guaranteed :D |
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| pitriss | Ït
could actually grant more fun than Xbox these days as all brand new
games are ether crap or boring.. some are special and they are crap and
boring at the same time :D |
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| pitriss | Only exception are latest Tomb Raiders.. I enjoyed last two I played.. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice,
I think the same way about the games. Psx had some soul. Today games
are more or less only some identical engine, with some changed mechanics
and graphics. And that in most genres. |
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| _Chris_ | But I don't play much. |
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| _Chris_ | Tomb
raider I know from back to part one. These games were mostly impossible
to play to the end without any solution from the net or cheating. I
liked the games very much too. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
New Tomb Raiders are bit more action paced but its not a flaw.. It adds
dynamics to the game.. The new ones will catch you and spit you out
with final cutscene.. I was almost unable to convince myself to go to
sleep.. really well done from game makers.. |
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| pitriss | In
a Rise of a Tomb Raider Lara got some nice stealth skills.. so killing
enemies from bushes unattended etc was really fresh wind to the game.. I
see, there was not much hard riddles.. but thats tax modern games must
pay.. Kids today are dumber than we was.. they are lazy to use brain so
they need to cripple riddles a bit..:( |
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| pitriss | *unnoticed or damn how that word is |
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| _Chris_ | Good to know pitriss :-) |
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| pitriss | I
can agree on fact its a bit different game.. But.. As I love old ones, I
love new ones a bit more.. This reborn of TR is quite well done.. |
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| pitriss | Tomb Raider: Definitive edition was quite short i had 75% of game done on first go in approx 11h of playtime |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. |
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| pitriss | and
Rise of TR was twice as much longer than previous so I can call it
decent.. Anyway.. I enjoyed both games really much.. every second of
them |
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| pitriss | Of course.. 20h plytime is quite short for me as hardcore Baldurs Gate/Planescape torment fan :D |
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| pitriss | In Planescape torment is 20h slight introduction to the story :D |
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| Silbern_ | I'll
look into it again, but I'm pretty sure it's not the legacy systems
blocking it, since I've explictily enabled them to fetch mail. I'll see
if there's a sending option as well. And I only use my gmail account for
storing newsletters that I don't consider private since they're
publicly available anyway, and I need the storage space. But yeah,
thanks for the tip :D |
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| _Chris_ | You mean security system? |
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| _Chris_ | It simply came to my mind today. |
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| Silbern_ | Holy shit |
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| Silbern_ | It works |
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| Silbern_ | damn |
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| Silbern_ | I didn't even do anything... |
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| Silbern_ | uhhh |
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| Silbern_ | Hmm. I guess maybe while I was figuring out the settings, I connected so many times their servers temporarily banned me? |
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| Silbern_ | That's
the only explanation I can think of... I've already enabled the legacy
settings and didn't toggle it or anything. But I'm glad it works now :D |
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| _Chris_ | Silbern_: Wonderfull! :-) |
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| Chris_ | I
just read the dev mailing list and I am shocked what for a nonsense
"wo" started there. I just know that name from the bugtracker, but the
suggestions made last two months are something I don't have any words
for. Good that TDE is not dependent on any of such services such redit
or gethub. The second example we have seen just some short time before
now. |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | someone use tde in archlinux distro? |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | someone use tde in archlinux distro? |
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| Silbern_ | I've
tried it before. The basics work, but the arch version is missing some
of the extra applications compared to the debian / ubuntu versions. |
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| sacarde | yes, they are in git in aur version |
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| Silbern_ | Ah okay, it's been a while. |
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| sacarde | https://github.com/michael-manley/Trinity_ArchLinux_PKGBUILD |
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| sacarde | but it seems they are rebuild in repo: https://repo.nasutek.com/arch/contrib/trinity/x86_64/ |
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| SergioEDuran1 | Hi friends I need help, how the |
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| SergioEDuran1 | . desktop file of the run dialogue is named? |
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| SergioEDuran1 | Anybody knows how can I add the run command entry to klicker? I want to add it |
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| SlavekB | SergioEDuran1: I'm afraid there is no desktop file. However, you can use: dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand |
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| __Chris | Good idea. |
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | someone installed tde in archlinux derived distro? |
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| _Chris_ | No, sorry. Not me. But I think there are/were some people here using it in archlinux. |
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| Chris_ | Nice that this gtk-qt-engine-bug was fixed finaly. |
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| chewie_ | Hi, from time to time there is a loading error kdsktop |
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| chewie_ | i
compiled the tqt3 package with the options -g -ggdb3 -Og,
unfortunately, this error does not appear at the optimization level -O0 |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/q7FfE |
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| chewie_ | Perhaps you need some more technical data in order to find a solution to the problem? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Funny what I found and it seems to be true to me. http://betteros.org/index |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: awesome post.. I concur with it.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: i was thinking about where we can be if any OS would be so precisely crafted like eg C64 demos nowadays.. |
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| pitriss | every spare bit in memory is considered, every tick of cpu matters.. |
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| _Chris_ | I am at the moment into an old PDA/PocketPC which I want to make useable with Linux. |
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| _Chris_ | So I came over that. |
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| pitriss | that xcb saver seems cute.. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, really. |
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| _Chris_ | And the website works perfectly and fast, can be displayed from every browser without any disadvantages. |
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| pitriss | exactly..:) |
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| pitriss | it does its job and does it well:) |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly it crashes for me on sigsegv |
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| pitriss | but it was finally some screensaver which i would love :( |
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| Chris_ | I not tested it, but I will try it too in next time and will report. |
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| pitriss | ok.. |
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| pitriss | thanks.. as theres no screensaver with plain digital time on it.. |
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| pitriss | without effects.. i would love to have some where I can specify font and time format and thats it.. nothing more needed for me.. |
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| pitriss | or something like put command here and i'll be running command periodically and display its output..:) |
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| Chris_ | Yes,
that are some things which we are looking for in 2018. Same with some
browser engine. Some simple and light engine (for embedded devices like
PDAs), but - No. Maybe Dillo ist better, but hm. |
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| Chris_ | But something like that is possible with xscreensaver like I know. |
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| pitriss | I'm affraid that dillo is teethless nowadays |
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| Chris_ | No, last time I testest dillo, it had CSS support. |
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| Chris_ | But that's exactly what the author of the page I linked wrote. |
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| Chris_ | You have more ressources today, but can't do more really. |
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| pitriss | but its all about some light js support:( Webdevs cant live without that crap |
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| Chris_ | Same
like this HD or 4K things. There was some point when video resolution
was sufficient. Same like using some mouse for PCs. Touch is not needed
for office PCs. |
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| Chris_ | Right,
and therefore it is so important, that not every webdev use JS. Or make
it optional, how it was good practice before HTML5(tm...). |
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| pitriss | yeah.. And yes, i don!t get that 4k hype.. for what? |
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| pitriss | all that web 3.0/4.0 sucks |
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| Chris_ | To have people here complaining there icons are too small in TDE. |
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| Chris_ | Be happy to see Work 3.0 :-) |
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| pitriss | we should return back to roots of it.. |
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| pitriss | hehe yeah.. I would be working in cloud dept so yes, Work 3.0 for web 4.0 hipsters :D |
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| pitriss | my data should belong to MY hw under MY control.. No exception :D |
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| Chris_ | I
am doing a bit. Trying to get my 15 years old mobile phone/PDA working.
Let's see what's possible. SMS from console. And some IRC client with
BitlBee. Would be funny. Just with some GPRS connection. |
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| pitriss | should
be capable of more.. some really light and higly customizable VM should
do the trick.. and some scripting using zenity like things to generate
gui. |
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| Chris_ | For that PDA you mean? |
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| Chris_ | As base I will try to use OPIE http://opie.sourceforge.net/
which is Qt2 embedded. All other things are not possible with 64mb RAM.
Maybe I will change the RAM chip for 128mb, but I have to BGA solder
that. |
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| Chris_ | By the way. KDE people are trying to get KDE2 working on modern systems too. |
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| SlavekB | wow - Opie I used for several years :) |
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| pitriss | yeah i meant for that pda |
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| Chris_ | Yes, OPIE is the last thing which is existing back from that OpenMoko days I think. |
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| Chris_ | OPIE
worked perfectly with KDE3. With kitchensync and OpenSync. But the
later one seems to be broken in TDE actually. I read the bugtracker
about that. |
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| Chris_ | But
the OPIE maintainer is still more or less activly mainaining all
ressources and last commits for libpng compatibility were "just" 4 years
ago, which seems to be recent for some QT2 enviroment... |
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| Chris_ | OPIE
had never some GSM (Phone/SMS) support. Because it was basing on Qtopia
(QT2) which later in Qt3 was QtExtended (Qt3/Qt4). But that was some
ressource hog already and no stylus friendly. |
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| Chris_ | I read a lot about the history. Later Android made all bad which was possible to that time, sadly. :-( |
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| Chris_ | Qt1 needs around 1.5 minutes to fully compile on some recent machine. Funny, what? |
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| Chris_ | http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/
was then based on Qt3/Qt4 embedded. Or better Qt Extended. Kind of
worked, but a bit clumsy. It's some KDE4 version of OPIE if you can say
that. |
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| Chris_ | Could been our beloved Android now if some things went another way :-) |
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| Chris_ | "You
will need working QtMoko installation on at least 8GB partition" wich
is some.... difference to OPIE. With some device with 128mb ROM. |
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| SlavekB | My first iPaq with Opie was H3630 == 32 MiB RAM, 16 MiB ROM. |
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| Chris_ | Right. That was normal to that time :-) |
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| Chris_ | Thing
is. I can use some SDHC card theoretical up to 64GB or so for that
PocketPC/Phone which I have and boot around the bootloader with HaRet.
So that would be still possible today. But it's some ugly hack. The HTC
bootloader checks for some content at the ROM image. You can extact that
and place your own code to start from SDCard theoretical, but that's a
bit risky. |
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| Chris_ | I
will report if OPIE still builds today, but I have to dig into
OpenEmbedded first a bit and I don't know if I have to care about
private things next months again :-( |
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| Chris_ | There was also GPE (Some GNOME2 for PDAs), but it's vanished from the web more or less. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Gpe-palm-tx.png/170px-Gpe-palm-tx.png |
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| Chris_ | I really like such software history. |
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| Chris_ | https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7866 You can so wonderfull see what was meant as some KDE and some GNOME clone. |
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| SlavekB | Yes - I remember it. Developers who dit not like QT had to create a GTK-based alternative ... which always looked very odd. |
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| Chris_ | Yes and it was needing X too. Qtopia (Qte2) used framebuffer. |
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| SlavekB | Exaclty. |
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| SlavekB | While Opie was simply working, GPE still had some problems. |
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| Chris_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_Improved seems to be the root of QtMoko. |
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| Chris_ | Right and vanished in 2007 or 2008 completely. |
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| Chris_ | Sad that OPIE not used some Qte3 base, because otherwise the patches from TQt could be used maybe for it too. |
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| SlavekB | QtExtended had a difficult chance of succeeding because it was based on a "very good" Qt4. |
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| Chris_ | But maybe that is helpfull still, because Qt3 was more some evolution than some revolution (like Qt4). |
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| Chris_ | Right, I checked also the source code size. For Qte2 it was 16mb or so. For Qte3 24mb and for Qte4 it was around 43mb or so.... |
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| Chris_ | Seems
the QtMoko people didn't work any further after 2013 on it. So it's
done. Sad if you think about that there are all this bases, but people
are lacking to create something beautifull of it. |
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| SlavekB | I remember that this was precisely why I was never interested in QtMoko => bad Qt4 basis. |
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| SlavekB | While in Opie I had a few contributions :) |
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| Silbern_ | Hi, I have a question. Does anyone here use Trinity on OpenSUSE, specifically, Tumbleweed? |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB: https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4767 and https://konqueror.org/embedded/ is that still possible with TDEs Konqueror? |
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| Chris_ | Okay, at least in KDE-3.5 this was possible. But question is, if you can build it still in tree. http://www.cirulla.net/kdenox-snapshots/ |
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| Chris__ | http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2845
that bug I experienced also on AMD64 under Gentoo. aRts was not able to
start under it. I will test now. Thanks for fixing this bug, or at
least making aRts useable again under this arch :-) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2845: normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, NEEDINFO , Libarts1c2a-trinity audio backend is broken |
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| __Chris | Because we talked about OPIE and old PDAs. Just wanted to refer to https://www.rockbox.org/
which is also a nice project and it seems it was just updated in 2017.
Also I like the website. It's working fine (Like the TDE website too).
No clumsy JS and bling bling there. |
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| __Chris | Guest26833: Selk, have you got TDE to compile in dragora with uClibc? |
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| __Chris | Or was it musl. I don't know anymore. |
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| __Chris | https://cxx.uclibc.org/
would be also nice to build TDE against. Because libstdc++ and GCC is
getting bigger and bigger because of this c++11, c++14.... things. |
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| selk | hi __Chris |
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| selk | we are using Musl not uClibc |
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| selk | currently, I am working on adding the support for the toolkits (gtk2, gtk3) and all the dependencies |
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| selk | later, I want to see if I can compile TDE |
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| selk | if you want to try Musl |
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| selk | I provide a set of prebuilt cross compilers |
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| selk | (from time to time) |
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| selk | http://rsync.dragora.org/current/compilers/darkcrusade_2018May26/ |
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| selk | those are compressed under lzip: http://lzip.nongnu.org |
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| __Chris | selk:
Good to know. I just wanted to know some possible feedback for building
TDE with Musl. Therefore the question. We talked about that a year ago
or so. If it works, please report here :-) |
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| selk | of course! |
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| __Chris | Wonderfull :-) |
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| selk | testing under musl could be useful to detect other problems |
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| selk | I'm really excited because I am close to test TDE |
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| selk | looking forward :-) |
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| __Chris | Me too. What are your reasons to choose Musl in Dragora? |
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| selk | it has to do with the essence of the project itself (Dragora) |
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| selk | since the project started it has always been evolving, |
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| selk | especially in major vesions where the design scheme is different |
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| selk | not too different but the main parts was changed in favor to have something better |
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| selk | for example |
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| selk | the version 1 was based on sysvinit, glibc, etc. it is more a traditionally distribution |
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| selk | in the version 2 part of the scheme was changed |
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| selk | for example, the init system was runit in order to have service supervision capabilities |
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| selk | since 2012 Dragora has supervise features to have critical daemons/services "running forever" |
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| selk | since 2009 Dragora has been migrated to the lzip format to distribute its packages |
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| selk | in each major version each tool is improved, enhanced or fixed. |
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| selk | this is the third major version that I am preparing |
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| selk | I've started in 2007 |
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| selk | I am fully dedicated to the project |
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| selk | this third version can be built from scratch |
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| selk | it has an automatic process |
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| selk | the same process is generic |
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| selk | you can build other distributions |
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| selk | and also you can build the set of cross compilers that I've point to you |
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| selk | I discover musl in 2012 or so |
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| selk | I liked the project, probably is better than glibc |
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| selk | I like to take the static approach |
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| selk | some of the packages in Dragora 3 are statically-linked |
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| selk | and optimized for the size. |
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| __Chris | Wow, very interesting. |
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| selk | I like the dynamic part of musl to produce binaries dynamically-linked |
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| selk | it is more faster than glibc |
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| selk | the init system used in Dragora 3 was sinit |
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| __Chris | Right. I am also interested in Musl or some more slim libc. |
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| selk | but I switched back to sysvinit |
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| selk | because it has complete documentation of the commands, etc. |
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| selk | the service supervision capabilities is complemented using perp |
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| selk | http://b0llix.net/perp/ |
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| selk | runit is great but you have all-in-one: the PID 1 and the service supervisor (all-in-one) |
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| selk | if the service supervisor dies, then the PID 1 dies |
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| selk | it is pretty hard, however |
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| selk | but the possibility can exist |
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| selk | right now we have something that can run as PID 1 |
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| selk | and the service supervisor, apart. |
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| __Chris | I see. Good to think about it. I sadly have to go AFK now. |
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| selk | np, have a good day |
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| _Chris_ | This
segfaults are crazy. I experienced them when first time compiling TDE.
Back then "as" from the binutils was segfaulting. Only on x86 machines.
On all of my x86 machines. But not on amd64. Now I have some problem to
compile some OpenEmbedded rootfs, because m4 segfaults with reference to
ld-2.27 (glibc). I tested it with glibc-2.26 and GCC6 and GCC7. No
change at all. I am sure, the problems have the identical root. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe...
it's some kind of kernel configuration. Because all my x86 defconfigs
are just copied and reused, with small changes. That's going to be some
reason to change to amd64 in near future, if I don't find what's the
problem :-( |
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| SergioEDuran1 | Hi friends can anybody help me? my user is not listed in TDM how can I show it? |
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| SergioEDuran1 | Anybody knows how can I make TDM list my user? |
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| SlavekB | In /etc/trinity/tdm/tdmrc set UserList=true, choose value for ShowUsers and check value in MinShowUID. |
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| SergioEDuran1 | SlavekB: thanks |
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| SergioEDuran1 | logging out to see if I broke TDM or my problems got solved, cheers |
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| _Chris_ | Yearly GCC/TDE update. This time -> GCC7. Until now, all works well :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Does anyone still know the game "Kula World" from the PS1? By random I came around this and found it to be very cute -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/cubosphere/ |
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| a-865 | timeout exceeded when accessing 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/osstw/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/media.1/media :~( |
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| SlavekB | "GET /trinity/trinity/rpm/osstw/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/media.1/media HTTP/1.1" 404 |
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| SlavekB | However folder without /media.1/ exists - see |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/osstw/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/ |
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| a-865 | I have no idea why it wants the non-existent folder |
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| a-865 | none of *.repo refers to any such location |
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| SlavekB | Because the url does not exist, the redirector tests the existence on the primary server => that is why there is a delay. |
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| a-865 | Maybe Francois knows what's going on: https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2938 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2938: blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [opensuse] timeout exceeded when accessing 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/osstw/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/media.1/media' |
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| kb9vqf | I just saw this yesterday as well, is this new/ |
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| kb9vqf | ? |
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| SlavekB | kb9vqf:
Here is one related thing - firewall on master site again blocks access
from VPS, so verification of a non-existent URL takes a long time. |
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| SlavekB | I
have seen many times that the firewall falsely evaluates the regular
higher activity as an attack and blocks the access from this ip. |
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| kb9vqf | SlavekB: So I wasn't aware there was an automated process going....that explains things :) |
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| kb9vqf | I just need to know the origin IP so it can be whitelisteed |
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| SlavekB | $ host mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org |
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| SlavekB | mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org has address 37.205.10.16 |
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| kb9vqf | OK, let's see if that helps |
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| SlavekB | Nice, now is access possible and 404 is returned quickly (Y) |
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| a-865 | error gone here too |
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| a-865 | thank you! |
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| SlavekB | It remains a question of why there is access to such a non-existent uri... |
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| selk | _Chris_, you are building TDE from git? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Under Gentoo. |
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| selk | so.. it works with GCC7, cool |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it works :-) |
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| selk | ok, time to build cmake :) |
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| selk | hm |
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| selk | which version of `cmake' is appropriate to build TDE? |
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| selk | it can work with the latest stable (cmake 3.11.4)? |
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| Chris_ | "cmake version 3.11.3" |
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| Chris_ | That should work :-) |
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| selk | 3.11.4 is giving me errors |
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| selk | against libressl on building |
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| selk | :( |
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| Chris_ | Hm. do you think that's cmake related? I have to go AFK now. Your version should work. |
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| selk | it looks like the bundled curl version only looks for openssl |
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| selk | I will test with the system curl provided |
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| Chris_ | I build only against system-libs. |
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| selk | aha. |
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| selk | Chris_, it worked with the provided curl... |
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| selk | using --system-libs, i mean |
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| Chris_ | Wonderfull. |
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| selk | one step close to TDE :) |
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| Chris_ | With musl? |
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| selk | yeah |
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| Chris_ | Interesting. |
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| selk | (it will be available as a LiveCD, so I will let know to everybody here interested...) |
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| Chris_ | Musl, musl, musl. Still compiling selk? |
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| Chris_ | https://bracecomputerlab.com/
-> This guy is working now on other old IGPs from 2000 (RAGE 128 for
example, also used in many server boards) and around. Would be
wonderfull if they would be more or less working again with some
hardware acceleration. |
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| selk | Chris_, cmake works |
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| selk | I will continue tomorrow with other dependencies |
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| selk | later I will try buiding TDE |
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| Chris_ | No problem :-) |
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| selk | but if you are curious: |
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| selk | 4436usr/pkg/cmake-3.11.4-x86_64+1/usr/bin/cmake |
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| selk | that is the size of the binary. |
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| selk | >file usr/pkg/cmake-3.11.4-x86_64+1/usr/bin/cmake |
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| selk | usr/pkg/cmake-3.11.4-x86_64+1/usr/bin/cmake:
ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically
linked, interpreter /lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1, stripped |
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| selk | 4.4M cmake |
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| Chris_ | 5.0M here. |
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| selk | :-) |
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| Chris_ | Seems to be good :-) |
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| * selk good night everyone |
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| Silbern_ | For
the version of Kmail that ships with TDE, has anyone had luck getting
it to sync a sizable inbox with disconnected IMAP? (~100,000 messages) |
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| Chris_ | I only have done something with that size with KMail and pop3 and also connected IMAP. |
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| Silbern_ | How did pop3 workout for the initial sync? |
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| Chris_ | Good question. It needed some time when I am right. Why you ask? |
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| Silbern_ | I've
left it running for around 12 hours, intermintly restarting it when the
progress counter hadn't gone up for a long time, and so far it's only
managed to sync around 20k from what i can tell. It could sync my 1k
university email in about 5 minutes, so theoretically, it should only
have needed well under 2 hours to get there. |
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| Silbern_ | It seems to be really stuck, so I'm wondering if there's just a hard limit on the number it can accept, or...? |
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| Silbern_ | I've
used it in connected imap and it works, although the lag from trying to
open a message can also take 1 or 2 minutes sometimes |
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| Chris_ | Hm,
I only know that someone looked for the specific code about that and
said that there are some theoretical problems there and some fixes for
that are in KDE4 and are needing maybe some backporting. I don't recall
any problems. Sad. Maybe pitriss can also report you something here. |
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| Chris_ | 1 or 2 minutes is not normal. |
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| Silbern_ | Hmm,
okay, then it would be a limitation of the program. I'll keep at it,
and I guess if need be, I can always use the regular IMAP and maybe
disable images or something. Thank you! :D |
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| Chris_ | I
don't think there is some limitation. Maybe someone different can
report here. I am sure TDE users are using KMail very active :-) |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
tdegraphics-tdefile-plugins is not finding tiff, which is installed.
Seems that this is new. Before some change to find newest poppler
version, it found libtiff. |
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| SlavekB | Chris_: which distribution? |
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| Chris_ | Gentoo. |
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| Chris_ | But let me see first. I looked for the commits and there were not such a change. |
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| Chris_ | -- Looking for tiff.h |
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| Chris_ | -- Looking for tiff.h - not found |
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| Chris_ | "/usr/include/tiff.h" -> is there. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe also binutils related? ... |
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| Chris_ | Let me test it with binutils-2.29.1 |
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| Chris_ | Okay, never said anything -> It works. It's my personal problem. All good SlavekB. |
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| SlavekB | Ok :) |
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| Chris_ | But now it fails anyway, because of GCC7. |
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| Chris_ | /var/tmp/portage/trinity-base/tdegraphics-tdefile-plugins-9999/work/tdegraphics/tdefile-plugins/dependencies/poppler-tqt/poppler-document.cc:180:23:
Fehler: ungültige Umwandlung von »const GooString*« in »GooString*«
[-fpermissive] |
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| Chris_ | s1 = obj.getString(); |
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| Chris_ | So adding -fpermissive works, but just for reference. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe you can look at it. |
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| Chris_ | Wow, when xpdf changed from X to use Qt5? Hm. That makes updating Kpdf not more easy. Seems there is only poppler now as choice. |
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| pitriss | Silbern_:
I had approx 8GB mails in my gmail and it had no troubles in it..
Actuallly it was main reason to give kmail a try back in the times.. |
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| pitriss | Silbern_: thinderbird had serious issues with so much mails in it.. |
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| pitriss | Silbern_: so i doubt about any limitation.. It can be caused by some trafic control on google.. |
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| Silbern_ | Fascinating,
I've had the opposite experience. I'd really like to get Kmail working
with this account too, so my desktop is all nicely integrated :D |
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| Silbern_ | I
did run into the issue the other day with Gmail blocking me from smtp
because I made too many failed login attempts, it could be that Kmail is
triggering some kind of traffic slow down too, didn't even think of
that... |
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| pitriss | Silbern_: now its only moderate ~700MB of mails.. |
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| pitriss | i did HUGE cleanup :D |
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| Silbern_ | One hell of a cleanup lol :D I'm afraid to touch any of my mails, so I've kept them all, dating back to 2011... |
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| pitriss | :D some mails was not needed anymore so.. why to keep them..:) |
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| Silbern_ | When
Kmail downloads, I notice it goes through a message list phase first.
Is it downloading a list of *every* message in the account? That might
be what's triggering some kind of throttling, now that I think about
it... |
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| pitriss | If you don't mind to experiment, you can try https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/backup-gmail-in-linux-with-getmail/ and just use that mailbox with kmail.. IIRC kmail use maildir as default option.. |
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| pitriss | its kinda ancient post.. but idea is clear I guess.:) |
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| Silbern_ | Hmm, this uses POP though. Doesn't POP remove messages from the account after it downloads them? |
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| Silbern_ | Oh cool! |
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| Silbern_ | So you can download mail with swomething like this, and then kmail reads the local mailbox? |
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| Silbern_ | Wow, that might be the solution I'm looking for |
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| Silbern_ | Yeah, and they have instructions for imap too |
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| Silbern_ | Thank you so much, this looks exactly like what I'm looking for :D |
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| pitriss | youre welcome:) |
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| Chris_ | Oh, much to read :-) |
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| Chris_ | Silbern_: Yes, normaly pop3 does download and delete, but that is something you can change. |
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| Chris_ | 2008, good time still. |
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| pitriss | yeah hehe.. but I hope that idea still could solve his troubles |
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| Chris_ | Just for reference: I hate "rust". That from mozilla. It's compile time is hell. Don't use that. |
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| Chris_ | Does anyone know something about that Irda was/will be removed from the kernel in future? |
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| Silbern_ | First I've heard of it |
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| Chris_ | Me
too. I don't find anything about that. But I might recall... it was
about irda-networking or something like that. Something specific.
Someone told me now, that the full irda subsystem is going to be
removed. But that makes no sense. |
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| Chris_ | Oh. |
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| Silbern_ | Hmm |
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| Chris_ | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=6c766db60b6179f251812437d44e9c1b4e236f36 |
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| Silbern_ | There is this |
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| Silbern_ | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/edf5c17d866eada03b8750368a12dc3def77d608 |
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| Chris_ | Funny. |
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| Silbern_ | lol, I think we found pretty much the same thing at the same moment :P |
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| Chris_ | Right. Wonderfull. |
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| Chris_ | But sad. Okay, not removed, but staging. Hopefully someone will be working on that again. |
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| Silbern_ | Luckily irDA isn't really a changing standard, so it won't need much maintinance to keep working |
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| Silbern_ | I really hope they don't remove it, it's super useful in some situations :/ |
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| Chris_ | " |
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| Chris_ | The IRDA code has long been obsolete and broken. So, to keep people |
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| Chris_ | from trying to use it, and to prevent people from having to maintain it, |
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| Chris_ | let's move it to drivers/staging/ so that we can delete it entirely from |
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| Chris_ | the kernel in a few releases. |
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| Silbern_ | Aww... |
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| Chris_ | That was in August 2017. |
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| Silbern_ | Yeah, then this must be the deletion :/ |
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| Chris_ | I don't get that. But they still support the old IDE subsystem. /dev/hdx. |
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| Chris_ | I came to this because this PDA I am working on supports irda. What a shame. |
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| Silbern_ | Yeah, nothing's ever really filled irDA's niche |
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| Chris_ | What is with LIRC than? I also have some display and remote controll for which works with IRDA. |
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| Silbern_ | I'm
guessing if they're removing IRDA, then they're removing the same
subsystem lirc would use, as there's not much point supporting just lirc
and not also irda |
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| Silbern_ | I'm
surprised this isn't being talked about more, not many people still use
infrared, but removing support for an entire sybsystem usually makes
news |
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| Chris_ | Right,
me too. That's creepy. But exactly this way they removed the DRI1
drivers in mesa and all kind of things. That are the evil forces behind
Linux it seems... |
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| Chris_ | I not found any news about that. How creepy is that? |
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| Chris_ | A lot of people are using it. Seems they just didn't noticed it until now. |
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| Chris_ | KDE/TDE also had/has KLIRC. |
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| Chris_ | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.17-Staging |
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| Chris_ | Nice to see that they remove also whole CPU arches.... :-( |
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| Chris_ | And the comments are right about it. Sad. x86 will be the next one... |
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| Chris_ | Okay, that's some argument: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1804.0/00306.html But suspect, that there is so much talk about that.... but not about removing irda.... |
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| Chris_ | https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_SERIAL_IR.html But at least CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IR seems to be there in 4.18 still. Not under staging. |
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| Silbern_ | That's a silver lining I guess, only half consolation though when your infrared reader doesn't use USB... |
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| Chris_ | Right. Hm. |
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| Silbern_ | But
at least it's nice to know we have the option to buy a cheap infrared
adapter, so you can continue to use your PDA. I was actually thinking of
looking at an old ipaq or something for school, and it'd be nice not to
have to dock it every time to sync data |
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| Chris_ | Okay,
I can understand that, if no one is willing to maintaine the irda
subsystem. But it could still be in staging or so. So someone can test
it and the motivation to fix it is much bigger. But if something is
removed, someone will go the hard way to re-add it. And I can imagine of
people that want to prevent something like that. |
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| Silbern_ | Although maybe a palm would be a better choice, since I think TDE actually has a tool somewhere for them |
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| Chris_ | Yes, but if linux is running on your ipaq and you need the irda subsystem there, that will be the problem. |
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| Silbern_ | Yeah,
but as you pointed out, in staging, it's still there if someone wants
it. It would be better imo to put a warning in the menu like perhaps
"warning, old code, use at your peril", then at least if somebody needs
it it's there, and can be easily gotten rid of if they don't |
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| Chris_ | I mean.... |
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| Chris_ | ... they still support OSS. |
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| Chris_ | Yes, OSS... |
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| Chris_ | Is that so good maintained still? |
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| Silbern_ | Do
they really? I know FreeBSD still uses it, albeit a significantly
updated and more featureful version then what Linux used to use |
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| Chris_ | No, it's in staging that they just remove it with 4.18. It should be done already... |
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| Chris_ | Yes,
it's still in the kernel like I know. But version 3. I know that *BDS
uses upstream OSS, which is much better today. But back then the license
was the problem. Now it's open source. |
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| Silbern_ | qt's license almost did KDE in too, didn't it? |
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| Chris_ | Yes, but therefore they did GTK... |
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| Chris_ | ALSA
was something which was not needed. It was needed some time, yes. There
are interesting talks about using OSS under Linux. The new version.
Which is external of the kernel. It seems to have much better sound for
some chips. But another topic. Something I want to test anytime. |
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| Chris_ | 4.17.2 here -> No irda. |
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| Chris_ | https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/4/15/201 -> With 4.17 it's gone. Completely. |
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| Chris_ | "If
it turns out that somebody wants to resurrect any of them, the code is
all there in the git history, but you'll have to do the work and show
that you'll maintain it and have a few users." -> That's good. More
or less. I know people who are fighting to bring back some old graphic
drivers and it's very unclear if they will ever get into mainline again,
also with someone very dedicated to it. It's something what don't
should be that |
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| Chris_ | way for my taste. |
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| Chris_ | pitriss: You have to blame with us :-) |
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| a-865 | Is Calgaro ever here? |
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| selk | _Chris_, I've installed libarchive, and cmake has been reduced from 4.4M to 3.9M. |
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| _Chris_ | a-865: Yes, sometimes and already yesterday. |
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| _Chris_ | selk: Wonderfull. |
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| a-865 | using deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-tb bionic deps main & deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-tb bionic deps main in sources.list generates 404s from apt update "does not have a release file" :-( |
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| SlavekB | trinity-tb on mirror.xcer.cz does not contain all distributions. Use http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-testing |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thx :-) |
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| _Chris_ | 2007-07-26 - Opie 1.2.3 -> * Backlight support for iPAQ handhelds using 2.6 kernel (P. Sokolovsky, Slavek Banko) |
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| a-865 | anyone know how to make shell history in Konsole 14.1pre function? |
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| a-865 | anyone know how to make shell history functional in Konsole 14.1pre? |
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| a-865 | which doesn't find tdehwdevicetray :-( |
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| chewie_ | Hi, I added the "add mkspecs for build with Clang" patch for my tqt3 package, now how do I change my compiler from gcc to clang? |
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| chewie_ | I
edited the file tqt3 / mkspecs / linux-g ++ / qmake.conf by changing
QMAKE_CC / QMAKE_CXX to clang, but there must be another way to get it
to use the new tqt3/mkspecs/linux-clang/qmake.conf? |
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| chewie_ | it seems that it does not respond to export CC =/usr/bin/clang |
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| SlavekB | For build TQt3 is configure option -platform => this points to mkspec, that will be used. |
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| SlavekB | For build with Clang this should be linux-clang. |
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| chewie_ | 1318 PLATFORM=linux-g++ ? |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/1my7h |
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| chewie_ | but I still see g ++ -c -o mingw_make.o -pipe -g -fvisibility = hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -O2 |
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| chewie_ | -I/tmp/build/tmp-tqt3/dependencies/tqt3/mkspecs/linux-g++ |
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| chewie_ | sorry, figured out :) |
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| chewie_ | thank you, SlavekB |
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| a-865 | 100%
packet loss trying to reach bugs.pearsoncomputing.net to submit bug
comment I spent hours and hours constructing, while other sites at least
work some :~( |
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| chewie_ | hi, all, how to correctly build tqt3 in debug mode? I get the messages -DQT_NO_DEBUG |
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| a-865 | network broke 4+ hours ago, and now that it "works" again, something is blocking http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/ :~( |
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| _Chris_ | Right, it works for me too now. That's sad with the comment. |
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| a-865 | I'm guessing there is some kind of anti-DOS attack defense getting in the way. |
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| a-865 | https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2938 is happening again, timeout exceeded when accessing so zypper cannot function |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2938: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, REOPENED , [opensuse] timeout exceeded when accessing 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/osstw/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/media.1/media' |
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| chewie_ | why is /opt/trinity/mkspecs/default set to gcc? |
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| chewie_ | i compile Trinity clang, how can i change the default value mkspecs? |
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| chewie_ | for example, the tqcq / tqca-tls packages use default settings and are compiled by gcc, ignoring the clang |
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| SlavekB | chewie_:
when you build tqt3 using clang, then 'default' symlink in mkspecs
should point to linux-clang. Is it true in your environment? |
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| chewie_ | SlavekB: yes, configure -platform linux-clang \ |
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| chewie_ | I also do it in the root environment export CC/CXX=/usr/bin/clang/++ |
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| chewie_ | but from the log tqca i see: |
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| chewie_ | g++
-c -pipe -g -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Wall -W
-O2 -D_REENTRANT -fPIC -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT
-DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/opt/trinity/mkspecs/default -I. -Isrc
-I/usr/include/tqt -I/opt/trinity/include -I.ui/ -I.moc/ -o .obj/qca.o
src/qca.cpp |
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| chewie_ | not clang |
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| chewie_ | it seems this is the correct value for the configuration to compile tqt3 https://paste.ee/p/oSQwn |
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| chewie_ | The
second problem that has not yet been solved in the latest builds with
git is related to code optimization: when I compile tqt3 with gcc from
time to time kdesktop drops |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/kavxj |
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| chewie_ | I do not know how this can be fixed because in debug mode this error is not present |
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| chewie_ | SlavekB, maybe there is some other way? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Thank you for the new commits. Wonderfull :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just
by random I found some different "folder with something added"-icon and
asked myself, where to get more of them? Or folder icons (crystal) in
different colors. I just found the original crystal theme and found out,
that some nice icons are missing in TDE too. But this custom folder
icons are not there. |
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| Chris__ | The
adventure to find out how much GNU in glibc is really needed (for
deactivating unneeded bloat in uclibc) to build some really minimal bare
bone linux, just with busybox. Really interesting... |
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| Chris__ | All
that for "only" around 100KB. Okay, there is not much left in uclibc
(400KB). But FSView is wonderfull to inspect that... :-) |
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| Chris__ | So, after having some base system.... We are looking into building.... Qt2-embedded. :-) |
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| Chris__ | That's up for tomorrow. It's failing bad. No wonder. |
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| a-865 | now it works |
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| Chris__ | You are the inspector. Our human ping :-) |
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| Chris__ | But yes, I also had sometimes timeouts to the websites. |
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| Chris__ | Qt2 people were not stupid - Back in 1998 or so, they already used -fno-exceptions for embedded compiling. |
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| chewie_ | so, i could not compile 6 packages with clang |
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| chewie_ | it's tqca, tqca_tls, python-trinity, python-tqt, pytdeextensions and tqscintilla |
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| chewie_ | they all use /opt/trinity/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf |
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| chewie_ | in which gcc instead of clang |
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| chewie_ | the question is why and how can this be changed? |
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| chewie_ | why do default settings ignore the -platform linux-clang in the settings of tqt3? |
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| chewie_ | i think I found this error in my build script :) |
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| Chris__ | Most of this is not needed to run TDE. |
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| Chris__ | And wonderfull that you found it :-) |
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| chewie_ | configure -no-g++-exceptions this is not necessary with clang? |
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| chewie_ | or is it compatible with gcc options? |
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| chewie_ | hmm...pytdeextensions still uses gcc |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/4mL2y |
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| chewie_ | where does it come from? |
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| Chris__ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tqt3/commit/src/moc?id=970116b129a0dfd4ac8e90f1788ad7e81e3f6d71 SlavekB, had this change anything to do with some GCC problem? |
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| Chris__ | Or was it simply needed because of the tqt adjustments? |
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| SlavekB | B is right. As far as I know, this has nothing to do with GCC. |
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| Chris__ | Okay,
just because I have problems with moc from qt2 and GCC6. I hoped there
were any changes which could be backported, but it seems not. Thank you. |
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| chewie_ | why krusader opens rar-archives in arc? |
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| chewie_ | don't open rar as folders |
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| __Chris | Yes,
this "format device" option for storage devices would be wonderfull,
which Michelle suggested. I just came to the point it would be handy.
Also if the command line does the same. But anyway. |
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| __Chris | Qt2e -> Success to build with GCC7: Enjoy! - the Trolltech team :-) |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | sorry for coming here with bugs |
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| Rojola | I really love Trinity Desktop! |
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| Rojola | I only wanted to inform you (the developers) of 2 crucial bugs |
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| Rojola | 1) press "ALT+F2" on your keyboard. 2) Enter "tdesu kwrite" 3) Get this error: https://filebin.net/vk980mgyumlyc1xm/error.png?t=cdtgo3ti |
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| Rojola | and an other bug: |
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| Rojola | the "TDENetworkManager" cannot connect my computer to Wifi-networks - it keeps crashing all over again |
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| Rojola | I am using Ubuntu 18.04 |
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| Rojola | I installed everything the best way I can think of following best-practices |
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| Rojola | Thank you for your attention! |
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| Rojola | that's all I wanted to say :) |
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| Rojola | SlavekB ^ |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, the messages above might be of interest for you! |
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| pitriss | lol mimetype thingy will be system thing.. most of times theres mess with some definitions.. |
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| pitriss | and about NM i can't judge here i dont need that thing at all and where I need some manager I'm using wicd.. |
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| Borg^Queen | hello people |
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| Borg^Queen | and others |
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| chewie_ | hi, does anyone know why this error occurs when compiling the pytdeextensions package? |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/U0iVu |
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| chewie_ | this happens when compile a 32-bit version of tde with a clang |
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| Borg^Queen | Sorry not me. |
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| chewie_ | any ideas? |
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| Borg^Queen | nope |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry |
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| Borg^Queen | does anyone remember how to save a login session manually |
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| SlavekB | Borg^Queen: dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession |
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| Borg^Queen | from the cli aye |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you |
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| SlavekB | If you have session configured to restore manually saved session, then can found item Save session in T-Menu. |
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| pitriss | I
wanted to ask.. Does have Trinity any OSD thingy controlable by dcop
calls? I would love to have something like konversation have.. |
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| pitriss | but just osd with eg control panel for setting colors etc and rest called by dcop.. it would be really awesome |
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| SlavekB | pitriss: You can use kdialog. For example: kdialog --passivepopup 'Ahoj' 2 --title 'My notification' |
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| Borg^Queen | SlavekB: Thank you yoda, that was exactly what I was looking for. |
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| Borg^Queen | I save it once and it's good to go from then on until I manually save it again aye? |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: that would be a good addon, but sounds very time consuming. |
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| pitriss | Borg^Queen: if it couldnt be extracted eg from konversatipon then yes, most likely yes |
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| Borg^Queen | ah, that's creative |
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| Borg^Queen | how would you propose to use it? |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| Borg^Queen | ok b |
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| pitriss | If
it will be possible then settings can be kcontrol moduile for creating
presets that you just specify in dcop call later and drawing engine just
connected to DCOP so you can call eg dcop tosd preset location "what to
display" |
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| Borg^Queen | that would be very useful. |
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| pitriss | yeah i would love that too.. |
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| Borg^Queen | does anyone remember how to re-enable osd on desktop switching via mouse wheel? |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm in system notifications now. |
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| Borg^Queen | nv found it |
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| Borg^Queen | hey SlavekB, I keep getting this kio media mount helper error with one user |
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| Borg^Queen | do you know what that is? |
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| Borg^Queen | I can mount the drive it seems but can't umount |
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| Borg^Queen | nv SlavekB, I figured it out. |
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| Borg^Queen | Thanks anyway for sending the force my way' |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| a-865 | tdm
not working for me in buster, and I can't find any messages that might
provide reason. /var/log/tdm.log doesn't exist. startx does work |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people, does anyone know how to place a sub dir in a servicemen? |
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| Borg^Queen | For example say I wanted to create a pdf tool box servicemenu for konq. |
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| Borg^Queen | it would start with X-TDE-Submen=PDF Toolbox |
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| Chris_ | Borg^Queen: You really mean after that dir, which holds actions once again some sub-dir? |
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| Borg^Queen | X-TDE-Submenu=PDF Toolbox |
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| Borg^Queen | There are 60 action items |
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| Borg^Queen | chris yes |
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| Borg^Queen | like the ark plugin servicemenu |
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| Chris_ | Hm. I just know from my EncFS servicemen dir how to do it with one level. |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm, me too |
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| Borg^Queen | I have about 4 levels |
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| Chris_ | Oh, I see what you mean about the ark one. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Chris_ | Have you trief to look how the ark plugin does it? |
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| Chris_ | *tried |
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| Borg^Queen | examining it now |
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| Chris_ | There was some commit from michelle some weeks ago which changed something there. |
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| Borg^Queen | oh you gave me an idea for a new search string for google. |
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| Chris_ | https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdeaddons/commit/?id=b1c38049 I thought it would affect the servicefiles. |
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| Chris_ | Which idea? :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | you called them "sublevels" rather than sub dir so I changed the search and came up with some results |
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| Chris_ | How creative, I like that. Right. Good idea :-) |
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| Chris_ | https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdeaddons/tree/konq-plugins/arkplugin/arkplugin.cpp |
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| Chris_ | I think in this case, the "magic" comes from this file. Maybe it is not possible just with some servicefile? I don't know. |
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| Chris_ | But if it is *not* possible otherwise, that would be a good thing for the wishlist. |
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| Borg^Queen | I think you're right. Darn you. |
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| Chris_ | Sadly I don't know any other add-on which could serve as example. |
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| Borg^Queen | Aye, a wee bit beyond me at the moment. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll just have to clean up the structures for them as they exist. |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks for your time |
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| Chris_ | Maybe pitriss know? |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll send out a email to the collective. See if anything pops up. |
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| Chris_ | :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | Resistance is futile. Anyway, back to lurking. |
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| Borg^Queen | Thank you again for your time Chris_ |
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| Chris_ | You are welcome. |
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| Borg^Queen | :) |
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| pitriss | Chris_: I'm out at this time :) No idea.. :) |
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| Borg^Queen | Whenever
I get help from forums or here and anywhere. Without fail, I remember
several people, including Bill Gates and Steve Jobs saying that FOSS
will never take off two reasons. No software and , more importantly, no
support. |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: no soup for you! |
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| pitriss | Yeah right I was bad boy today.. :D |
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| Borg^Queen | lol ok back to work everyone |
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| Chris_ | I
think the problem in this case is more, that the information is there
in the web, anywhere, but you need the key (searchstring) to find it.
The fact that KDE3 is nothing people are talking about now all the day
in forums and so on and google is slowly filtering out such outdated
informations are not making it more easy... |
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| Chris_ | If you find it out, would be something for the wiki. Tipps and tricks. |
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| Borg^Queen | Aye, sadly. However, over that last 6 months or so, I've seen an increase in people searching for "trinity/kde3" |
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| Borg^Queen | If I figure something out I'll tell you here so you can add it. |
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| _Chris_ | So, just some real life test for KAudioCreator. |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| _Chris_ | Hello! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Good Night to you too. |
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| Borg^Queen | :) |
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| Silbern_ | Hey
everyone. I've been having trouble trying to get a particular font
(Fixedsys-Excelsior) working in Konsole. It won't show up or list in the
menu as a selectable font. I know it's installed properly, because
every other app, including TDE settings and Kate, can properly use it
with no issues |
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| Silbern_ | Does Konsole have any unique quirks as far as font selection goes...? |
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| Silbern_ | *oops,
mispoke, TDE settings doesn't properly display it, only Kate does. But
still, if Kate and every other app can properly use it, I don't think
there's anything wrong with the font itself then...? |
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| Silbern_ | But
it does properly show up and render in the Font Installer, even though
it's not a selectable option in the fonts pane under the appearance tab |
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| chewie_ | Hi,
I see an error in the tqt3 logs - error while loading shared libraries:
libtqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory |
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| chewie_ | What does it mean? |
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| chewie_ | I'm using this slackbuild, maybe I need to fix something? |
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| chewie_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/Deps/tqt3/tqt3.SlackBuild |
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| chewie_ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| moron | Is it normal for TDevelop not to compile a new TDE application framework project that hasn't been changed in any way? |
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| chewie_ | hi, sip4-tqt mkspecs for clang |
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| chewie_ | https://paste.ee/p/vRQyn |
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| moron | i
have two distinctly different machines with TDE. i've formatted my USB
to FAT32, NTFS and ext4 and tried to write files to it and once i remove
the USB the files i wrote disappear and the files that were already on
the stick are still there. sometimes the stick refuses to mount
afterwards too and i have to reformat it. anyone know anything about
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| _Chris_ | I just know that from fake sdcards or fake usb sticks. |
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| moron | actually ive been trying to write these files for 4 hours |
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| moron | forgot to mention i tried 3 different sticks |
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| _Chris_ | Is that specific to a specific file size? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that is odd. |
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| moron | folders disappear too |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried that over command line? |
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| moron | nope i just want to see if i can make it work through konqueror |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it is some hardware problem. Does it appear on the other machines? |
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| moron | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise just mount over command line and cp the files with the folders to it. Sync afterwards to be sure and unmount. |
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| _Chris_ | Wow, that's interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you trief different files? Maybe it has to do with some specific file? |
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| moron | i created text files and folders and they didnt work either |
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| _Chris_ | Have you started konqueror over command line to get some debug messages? |
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| _Chris_ | Or maybe look at the syslog. |
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| moron | ill report back |
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| moron | im
only using a usb stick because the machine im trying to move these
files to doesnt have internet right now. i've had problems with
transferring files to USBs on tde in the past so this is nothing new |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely I will be AFK in some timee. Maybe someone different have some ideas too :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
before unmounting the sync is not done or something like that. You can
deactivate sync in the fstab too. Unmount works then instantly, but
files are not really written full at that time. |
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| _Chris_ | Therefore it would be nice to try it just with mount, cp and so on over Konsole. |
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| moron | the stick is still dismounting 10 minutes later |
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| moron | dont
know what to make of it. i guess its just debian. that's probably why
it was getting jagged up, becuase it wasn't fully dismounted even though
the context menu in konqueror says it is |
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| moron | at least it thinks its dismounting |
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| selk | I have seen some commits related to OpenSSL |
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| selk | is TDE able to detect LibreSSL, too? |
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| SlavekB | I'm afraid that nobody is currently testing TDE with LibreSSL. |
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| selk | it would be good if this could be handled before the stable release |
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| luke-jr | is it possible to sort emails by IMAP UID? |
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| _Chris_ | My duckduckgo searchbar isn't working anymore. Seems they changed the syntax of the html version... :-( |
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| _Chris_ | Of course, in konqueror. Seems nothing with get anymore. Seems they changed to post. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: if you can post somewhere that defunct file I can try fix it.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: i'm not sure i have installed these search things.. |
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| _Chris_ | Is
there any way to auto-hibernate with TDE after a specific time of
inactivity? Not screen inactivity. I mean also mean inactivity of HDD or
let's say if downloads are still active. |
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| _Chris_ | Back
then there was some script or so which could be tuned to track specific
IRQs.... But that was needing HAL or so and was not maintained anymore
at some point. But I never really tested it. |
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| _Chris_ | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=96203 https://github.com/lnslbrty/sleepd https://joeyh.name/code/sleepd/ This is about what I was talking. |
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| xxkaisxx | Hello! Is anybody online? And anybody form xUSSR??? |
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| xxkaisxx | ???? |
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| xxkaisxx | Русскоговорящие есть? |
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| selk | I have seen the news: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/newsentry.php?entry=2018.07.25 |
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| selk | maybe too late, but please don't forget to test it under LibreSSL :) |
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| selk | amazing news about the incoming TDE version. |
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| selk | really excited :) |
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| Chris_ | SlavekB:
tdegraphics/tdefile-plugins/dependencies/poppler-tqt/poppler-document.cc:323:38
needs -permissive with GCC 7.3 for me. Otherwise compiling fails.
Adding that works. |
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| Chris_ | At least in C++11 mode. |
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| SlavekB | I
would say C ++ 11 is an explanation! I build on many different versions
of GCC (including 8.x) and I do not notice any problem. |
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| SlavekB | It looks like there will be more patches in connection to C++11. Therefore, these patches will be the subject of R14.0.6. |
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| Chris_ | When compiling OPIE I had the exact same problems. But from what I know C++11 is the default mode for all GCC6+? |
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| Chris_ | I have some idea, let me check something. |
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| Chris_ | Maybe
it has something to do because I build tdegrapgics-tdefile-plugins
standalone, out of tree. Maybe TDE is building with -fpermissive globaly
otherwise? |
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| SlavekB | From my build-log: |
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| SlavekB | cd
/build/tdegraphics-trinity-14.0.5/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/tdefile-plugins/dependencies/poppler-tqt
&& /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
-Dpoppler_tqt_shared_EXPORTS
-I/build/tdegraphics-trinity-14.0.5/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/tdefile-plugins/dependencies/poppler-tqt
-I/build/tdegraphics-trinity-14.0.5/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
-I/opt/trinity/include -I/usr/include/tqt3 -I/usr/include/tqt
-I/build/tdegraphics-trinity-14.0.5/tdefile-plugins/ |
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| SlavekB | 2
-fdebug-prefix-map=/build/tdegraphics-trinity-14.0.5=.
-fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wdate-time
-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE
-DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT
-D_REENTRANT -include tqt.h -I/usr/include/tqt3 -I/usr/include/tqt
-DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT
-DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT - |
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| SlavekB | les/poppler-tqt-shared.dir/poppler-document.cc.o
-c
/build/tdegraphics-trinity-14.0.5/tdefile-plugins/dependencies/poppler-tqt/poppler-document.cc |
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| __Chris | SlavekB:
Most likely the problem then is -std=c++11 for me. But in this case I
can report, that tdegraphics-tdefile-plugins is the *only* package which
does not build with -std=c++11. :-) |
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| SlavekB | __Chris: On FreeBSD I am seeing more problems with C++11 - they are probably set as the default some stricter mode. |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, patches will not be a part of R14.0.5, which is currently being built. |
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| __Chris | From what I know.... C++11 should be the default in GCC and above. |
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| SlavekB | FreeBSD is built using Clang ;) |
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| __Chris | Yes I know. That is understandable. I am using R14.1.0 anyway. :-) |
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| __Chris | Right, Clang seems to be stricter in general. We will see. |
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| __Chris | Seems C++ is turning into something like XHTML. Good old time... |
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| SlavekB | For
FreeBSD, patches will be part of tde-packaging. Upon completion of
R14.0.5 and the final release, the patches will be integrated into the
main TDE tree. |
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| __Chris | Ah I see. Is that true for the OpenSolaris patches too? |
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| SlavekB | Not for now. The patches for OpenSolaris are huge and I intend to gradually integrate it into the main TDE tree. |
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| __Chris | Or OpenIndiana. |
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| __Chris | Right, I recall this guy which came and linked them. |
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| __Chris | So, now I am triggered to test OI. Let's get some ISO. |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys.. I tried to add https caldav into korganizer and i got: [2]
gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS fatal alert has been received. gnutls
cli works ok with such domain.. But its my selfhosted raspian so its
possible i have misconfigured it somehow.. On android it works well.. |
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| pitriss | maybe wheezy-backports version of gnutls is not enough.. |
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| pitriss | on other hand thats against "- Handshake was completed" from cli gnutls |
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| Borg^Queen | Hi people. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm
trying to figure out how to get a link to app, to use an icon dir
within the user dir but make it universal so I don't have to edit each
link. |
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| Borg^Queen | for example Icon=/home/foo/icons/coolicon.png |
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| Borg^Queen | I tried something like ~/icons/coolicon.png but that doesn't work. |
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| Borg^Queen | Any suggestions? |
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| BQ-AFK | bbs |
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| pitriss | damn this spam is so annozing.. Interesting fact.. it doesnt happen on some channels eg #mopnitorix or #devuan |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| pitriss | * #monitorix |
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| _Chris_ | KDE people are under us. Smile. |
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| pitriss | lol |
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| _Chris_ | Good that TDE is not explicitly named in this links... |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| pitriss | i think someone got upset about freenode so spamming with links.. nowadays is so easy to rent botnet to send spam unfortunatelly |
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| _Chris_ | 200$ or what was written on this page? Smile. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe we should collect money for promoting TDE this way..... |
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| pitriss | LOL |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
please could you set up temporary bot who will kick spammers (eg
determining from links in messages)? it would make my backlog waaaz
shorter |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, I probably not have OP privileges on this channel. |
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| pitriss | maybe even better to ban+log their IPs.. so we can unban these automatic bans after it ends) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ah ok |
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| _Chris_ | They attack once again. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: and some faster contact to Tim instead of pinging him here? |
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| pitriss | some stupid basic installation of eggdrop should be enough. |
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| pitriss | Eggdrop
is bad as it sounds as it could be damn slow, its pita to write plugins
for it in TCL, but it would do the job done) it would be 3 lines
instead of 6-7 |
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| _Chris_ | How sad this energy is not used for something about systemd or so. |
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| kb9vqf | channel set to +r, let's see if that stops the spam |
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| selk | nice. |
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| a-865 | now the only op is the bot :-p |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people I'm trying to rebuild kcpuload on intel64. the oem package keeps crashing. |
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| Borg^Queen | however when I try to build from srpm I get this |
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| Borg^Queen | tde requires automake 1.6.1 (which I have installed). make: *** [admin/Makefile.common.10: cvs] Error 1 |
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| selk | which version of automake do you have? |
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| Borg^Queen | 1.6.1 |
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| Borg^Queen | see why I'm confused by that |
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| selk | 1.6.1? |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| selk | 1.16.1 is the latest |
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| Borg^Queen | ah let me see again |
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| selk | type `automake --version' |
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| Borg^Queen | yes sorry 1.16.1 |
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| selk | can you paste here the exact output message? |
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| Borg^Queen | The above is the paste |
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| Borg^Queen | you want all of it? |
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| Borg^Queen | hang on |
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| Borg^Queen | rpmbuild -ba kcpuload-14.0.0.spec |
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| Borg^Queen | sh: line 0: fg: no job control |
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| Borg^Queen | Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.TS0MQ4 |
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| Borg^Queen | + umask 022 |
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| Borg^Queen | + cd /root/rpmbuild/BUILD |
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| Borg^Queen | + '[' 1 -eq 1 ']' |
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| Borg^Queen | + '[' 1 -eq 1 ']' |
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| Borg^Queen | + '[' 1 -eq 1 ']' |
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| Borg^Queen | + cd /root/rpmbuild/BUILD |
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| Borg^Queen | + rm -rf trinity-kcpuload-14.0.4 |
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| Borg^Queen | + /usr/bin/gzip -dc /root/rpmbuild/SOURCES/trinity-kcpuload-14.0.4.tar.gz |
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| Borg^Queen | + /bin/tar -xf - |
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| Borg^Queen | + STATUS=0 |
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| Borg^Queen | + '[' 0 -ne 0 ']' |
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| Borg^Queen | + cd trinity-kcpuload-14.0.4 |
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| Borg^Queen | + /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,g-w,o-w . |
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| Borg^Queen | + /bin/cp /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 admin/libtool.m4.in |
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| Borg^Queen | + /bin/cp /usr/share/libtool/build-aux/ltmain.sh admin/ltmain.sh |
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| Borg^Queen | + /usr/bin/make -f admin/Makefile.common |
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| Borg^Queen | *** YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.16.1. |
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| Borg^Queen | ** TDE requires automake 1.6.1 or newer |
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| Borg^Queen | make: *** [admin/Makefile.common:10: cvs] Error 1 |
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| Borg^Queen | error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.TS0MQ4 (%prep) |
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| Borg^Queen | PM build errors: |
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| Borg^Queen | Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.TS0MQ4 (%prep) |
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| Borg^Queen | that's all of it |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| selk | if it is from CVS is must have an autogen.sh |
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| selk | or also, you can type `autoreconf -vif' |
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| selk | in replacement of the "/bin/cp ..." instructions, after the chmod |
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| selk | something like: |
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| selk | cd trinity-kcpuload-14.0.4 |
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| selk | /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,g-w,o-w . |
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| selk | sh ./autogen.sh || autoreconf -vif |
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| selk | then, ./configure ... |
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| selk | make ... make install ... |
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| Borg^Queen | ok back |
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| Borg^Queen | ok reading... |
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| Borg^Queen | ./autogen.sh: no such file or dir |
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| selk | try with autoreconf... |
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| Borg^Queen | oh wait. typo |
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| Borg^Queen | ok no typo |
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| Borg^Queen | try with ? |
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| Borg^Queen | ah ok |
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| Borg^Queen | autoreconf... not found |
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| Borg^Queen | ok I'm messing up. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm entering |
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| Borg^Queen | sh ./autogen.sh || autoreconf |
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| selk | autoreconf -vif |
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| Borg^Queen | yes |
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| Borg^Queen | sh ./autogen.sh || autoreconf -vif sorry |
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| Borg^Queen | and getting back |
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| selk | do you see a ./configure now? |
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| Borg^Queen | ah I wasn't in the right dir |
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| Borg^Queen | yes I do |
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| Borg^Queen | I was one level above |
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| Borg^Queen | got it now |
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| selk | good |
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| Borg^Queen | ok let's go from here. BRB |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm says qt 3.1 headers are missing. Let me check. |
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| Borg^Queen | OK I seem to have trinity qt devel packages installed. Let me google the error. |
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| selk | probably you must pass an environment variable to detect the QT version/headers |
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| Borg^Queen | something like |
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| Borg^Queen | export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 and export PATH=/usr/lib/qt3/bin:$PATH |
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| selk | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you! |
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| selk | and for ./configure you need |
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| selk | --with-qt-dir=${QTDIR} \ |
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| selk | --with-qt-includes=${QTDIR}/include \ |
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| selk | --with-qt-libraries=${QTDIR}/lib \ |
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| selk | try with that ^ |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| Borg^Queen | same error |
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| selk | ok, try the previous instructions, copying the files rather than `autoreconf -vif' |
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| selk | then try using the environment with the options for configure |
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| Borg^Queen | ok sorry you lost me. |
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| Borg^Queen | hardware is actually my thing. |
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| selk | np |
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| selk | have you checked if this package has support for CMake? |
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| Borg^Queen | I don't see a cmake list |
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| selk | ok |
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| Borg^Queen | I see a cmake dir |
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| Borg^Queen | I can't seem to figure it out/ |
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| selk | try with the instructions for cmake, see the url |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| Borg^Queen | reading |
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| selk | I can't help you more, I haven't tried to build TDE |
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| selk | but I will be able to do it soon, I hope |
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| Borg^Queen | I appreciate your help |
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| Borg^Queen | what does this part mean |
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| Borg^Queen | cmake path/to/trinity/module \ |
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| Borg^Queen | module? |
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| Borg^Queen | where cmake binary is? |
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| selk | you must have the cmake suite installed |
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| selk | to process the list, etc. |
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| Borg^Queen | I do |
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| selk | let me see.. |
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| selk | I am not sure, but I guess this is for an external path |
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| selk | since you are in the build dir |
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| selk | you could just start with: |
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| selk | cmake \ |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| selk | ... option(s) |
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| Borg^Queen | no CMakeLists |
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| selk | there is a list on the current working directory (source)? |
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| Borg^Queen | nope |
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| selk | where it is? |
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| selk | which is the name of the directory containing the list? |
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| Borg^Queen | searching but it doesn't seem to have one |
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| selk | give me the url of the tarball |
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| selk | I will try to reproduce your error |
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| Borg^Queen | tar derived from srpm |
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| selk | is the latest version? |
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| Borg^Queen | as far as I can tell |
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| Borg^Queen | http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/pclinuxos/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/ |
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| Borg^Queen | http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/pclinuxos/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64/trinity-kcpuload-2.00-14.0.4_1.pclos2016.x86_64.rpm |
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| Borg^Queen | oops wait |
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| Borg^Queen | that's the rpm |
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| Borg^Queen | ok here |
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| Borg^Queen | http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/pclinuxos/trinity-r14/SRPMS/ |
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| Borg^Queen | http://tde-mirror.yosemite.net/trinity/trinity/rpm/pclinuxos/trinity-r14/SRPMS/trinity-kcpuload-2.00-14.0.4_1.pclos2016.src.rpm |
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| selk | it looks like the build system has been migrated to CMake: |
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| selk | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/kcpuload/tree/ |
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| selk | or it is in progress... |
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| Borg^Queen | ok grabbing from there |
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| Borg^Queen | ok not grabbing |
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| Borg^Queen | ok time to call it a night. |
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| Borg^Queen | gn to all |
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| Borg^Queen | thanks selk |
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| Borg^Queen | hi can anyone help with this. |
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| Borg^Queen | When I try to mount a usb stick as user or root, I can this error |
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| Borg^Queen | Unable to mount this device. |
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| Borg^Queen | Potential reasons include: |
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| Borg^Queen | Improper device and/or user privilege level |
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| Borg^Queen | Corrupt data on storage device |
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| Borg^Queen | NM, I have dust in the usb port |
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| * Borg^Queen is deeply shamed |
| Borg^Queen | bbiam |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people still having the same problem |
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| Borg^Queen | I can mount sticks under 16g |
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| Borg^Queen | anyting over and it gives me the same error |
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| Borg^Queen | however, sometimes it suddenly starts working |
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| Borg^Queen | Unable
to mount this device. Potential reasons include: Improper device and/or
user privilege level Corrupt data on storage device |
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| Borg^Queen | I tried refomatting one of the usb drive to jfs, ext-xyz and fat32 and nothing works |
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| Borg^Queen | same for all 18 drives over 16g |
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| Borg^Queen | going to reboot to older kernel |
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| MicheleC | the
real problem with bug 1020 is probably in tqlistbox not updating his
required height correctly when the horizontal scrollbar is display (in
sizeHint function). but not sure if it is worth spending more time on
such small bug... note tqlistbox is not much use. usually
tqlistview/tdelistview is used |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1020 normal, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Text in kcontrol->Window decorations->IceWM is truncated |
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| MicheleC | sorry, wrong window :-( :-) |
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| MicheleC | we have a fix for the bug, anyhow :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | hi people |
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| Borg^Queen | does anyone know how fix this error? |
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| Borg^Queen | Starting spamd: server socket setup failed, retry 1: spamd: directory for /run/spamd/spamd.socket does not exist, exiting |
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| Borg^Queen | running pclos I'm going to ask in there now |
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| Borg^Queen | hello humans, AIs and others |
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| CloudLion | Hey Everyone! |
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| Borg^Queen | hi |
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| CloudLion | Is anyone here providing Trinity-Desktop installation assistance? |
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| Borg^Queen | I"ll do what I can, if I can |
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| Borg^Queen | Usually just install the meta packages |
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| CloudLion | At
the moment I'm attempting to install Trinity-Desktop in a Mint 19
environment I also had issues attempting to install Trinity-Desktop in
OpenSuSE though the installation service. For the Mint issue I can't get
the key F5CFC95C to install through any keyserver I can connect to. |
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| CloudLion | I am attempting to add the TD dep repository souces to Mint. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah, never used mint. |
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| Borg^Queen | hang on |
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| CloudLion | It's just another ubuntu which is an unstable Debian. |
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| Borg^Queen | I avoid ubuntus. No offense. |
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| Borg^Queen | are you using synaptic, smart? |
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| CloudLion | Talk like that gets you bad looks in group therapy.... just before they break for the prescription cart parade. |
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| CloudLion | No. I'm using the command line. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| Borg^Queen | hang on |
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| Borg^Queen | Have you looked that these? |
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| Borg^Queen | https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=156447 |
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| CloudLion | I'd like to use OpenSuSE but.... they are too fascist regarding legacy KDE 4 and 3.5 pradigms. KDE 5 is a train wreak. |
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| Borg^Queen | I keep hearing that. |
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| Borg^Queen | is 5 really that bad? |
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| CloudLion | Emerge World scares me and I'm too lazy to Gentoo all this excitement. |
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| CloudLion | Yes! |
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| CloudLion | KDE 5 is crap. |
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| Borg^Queen | why |
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| Borg^Queen | did you see the link |
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| CloudLion | No I didn't see any links. |
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| Borg^Queen | https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=156447 |
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| Borg^Queen | you can't see that link? |
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| Borg^Queen | https://www.wikihow.com/Add-Repositories-in-Linux |
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| Borg^Queen | and that one |
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| CloudLion | Sorry. I added the repositories successfully. It's the gpg key I am having an issue with. |
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| Borg^Queen | oooh |
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| Borg^Queen | hang on |
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| Borg^Queen | https://askubuntu.com/questions/127326/how-to-fix-missing-gpg-keys/457549 |
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| CloudLion | Out of curiosity which Distro are you using Borg*Queen? |
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| Borg^Queen | https://mintguide.org/other/440-how-to-fix-gpg-error-no_pubkey-on-linux-mint.html |
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| CloudLion | The ubuntu and mint Key servers are offline. |
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| Borg^Queen | PCLinuxOS, with TDE |
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| CloudLion | Or out of the auth-pool. |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| CloudLion | PClinux... was that a English Mandrake spin off? |
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| Borg^Queen | I think so, or Dutch |
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| CloudLion | I use to enjoy using Mandrake. |
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| SlavekB | CloudLion: For TDE gpg key you can download and install deb package manually: http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu/pool/main/t/trinity-keyring/trinity-keyring_14.0.5-0ubuntu18.04.0+0_all.deb |
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| Borg^Queen | Mandrake was good. |
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| Borg^Queen | SlavekB: to the rescue |
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| Borg^Queen | time to regenerate. GN or D to all |
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| CloudLion | Thank you. That's what I was looking for. Sometimes Google just isn't as smart as it thinks it is. |
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| SlavekB | The key server on QuickBuild.io is sometimes unavailable... installing the deb package is a viable solution to deal with it. |
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| CloudLion | Is anyone here in contact with any off the OpenSuSE 1-click install team checkers or validators? |
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| CloudLion | SlavekB which distro are you tied down too? |
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| SlavekB | I usually use Debian. |
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| SlavekB | For RPM distributions, it is best to contact François Andriot on the TDE mailing list. |
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| CloudLion | I
was playing with TDE on Debian Stretch. I had to return the computer it
was installed on. We're giving two of our children new notebooks for
Christmas. I want them using Linux primarily. I had to buy a third
computer to make sure I can have both setup for the kids so they can use
them openning morning. |
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| CloudLion | It's been an entertaining challenge. |
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| CloudLion | Well... this is fun. trinity-keyring file has locked up the Package Installer in Cinn ... I've never been able to embrace Gnome. |
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| CloudLion | Debian level deb errors regarding that key-ring. |
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| CloudLion | I'm going to sudo -i this and see if I can slhack around a server response error. |
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| CloudLion | No....
I've just made six attempts to import that key through a command line,
the ubuntu software sources gui, gdebi, and gdebi with elevated user
rights. Something isn't right. I've installed TDE on a number of
computers I use and this is a new experience. |
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| SlavekB | What hapen, when you install downloaded package by "dpkg -i trinity-keyring_14.0.5-0ubuntu18.04.0+0_all.deb" ? |
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| CloudLion | It says it's successfully installed. |
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| SlavekB | apt-get update say some wrong? |
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| CloudLion | But
I'm starting to think it has to run home to momma to complete the
installation and it's not finding a valid key server to actually
complete the process. The fact that the installer hangs using a web
interface makes me itchy. |
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| CloudLion | I
did get a failed install sudo i (ing) ... but I have to assume that
there always might be an invisible character haning around. |
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| SlavekB | If Trinity key is installed from package, you can see file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/trinity-keyring.gpg |
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| CloudLion | Well I'll go looking for that. |
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| CloudLion | This is starting to feel like a good old Slackware challenge. |
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| CloudLion | Good call. It's not there. Oh all those years of using Windows and Mac are haunting me. |
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| CloudLion | I'm just going to go check the status of the mint and ubuntu keyservers |
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| CloudLion | It's still says they are both out of the auth-pool or what ever everyone calls that now. |
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| CloudLion | Sorry. It still says they are off line. |
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| CloudLion | So
If I'm installing a physical key-ring file and the debian based apt
tools are telling me it installs them correctly; yet the absolute proof
proves that they are not installing the file then what the hell are we
suppose to do with apt and trust? |
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| CloudLion | I'm glad my kids don't know the difference between gnome and kde-ish paradigms... yet. |
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| CloudLion | That state of mind will eventually change with time. |
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| CloudLion | I just tried to re-auth the F5CFC95C key through keyserver.deuxpi.ca and it's still refusing to authorize that key. |
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| CloudLion | I bet Daniel Robbins could fix this. I assume he's enjoying life in Belize. It's warm there. |
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| CloudLion | is the gpg key system under attack? |
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| SlavekB | The
strange thing is, if the trinity-keyring package is installed, then
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/trinity-keyring.gpg should be present. |
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| CloudLion | It's not. I'm starting to think it's removved when I do the apt-get update. |
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| CloudLion | I'm use this gnome based interface so I can't trust any of the gui tools I'm using and I'm not going to break out a hex editor. |
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| CloudLion | Sorry... I'm "not" use to this gnome based interface. |
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| CloudLion | I'm more use to rpm-land and apt-get drives me crazy just like emerge does. |
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| CloudLion | I never really like yum either. It screws up every so often. |
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| CloudLion | Something else is happening here. |
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| CloudLion | A
week ago I installed Trinity-Desktop on a cheap ultrabook and
everything worked fine.... except the touchpad didn't work after about
20 minutes of use in Debian, ubuntu, OpenSuSE, and Manjaro/Arch. |
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| CloudLion | It was a hardware driver issue. The touchpad incorporated a finger print scanner. The linux support was.... nada. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, now there is something "funny" to the pool of GPG servers - http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ |
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| CloudLion | Oh you did notice that. |
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| CloudLion | I've
been watching that since 3 pm eastern standard time N.A. I did have to
go to work for an hour. But since I've come home it's still wierd. |
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| CloudLion | I
doubt my kids will ever feel the same as I do about the old KDE 3.5
world of complete environment control and the freedom we once enjoyed as
KDE users. |
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| CloudLion | But.... I want to work in a particular environmental paradigm. |
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| CloudLion | My
prefered paradigm includes a want to work with multiple virtual
desktops where I control customized visual and audio elemens to support
my personal work patterns. This paradigm assumes that I can use multiple
monitors with multiple virtual desktops and then life is good for me. |
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| CloudLion | This
only works in linux now with KDE 4 and Trinity-Desktop. That damn pager
is a bitch just like Xinerama was and still is for some. |
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| CloudLion | For a time.... in Mac Snow Leopard land some of us could pull it off with add-ons. |
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| CloudLion | In Windows... well there are paid tools. |
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| SlavekB | it's too late for me - I have to go to bed... |
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| CloudLion | Pleasant dreams. What is your disto of choice? |
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| CloudLion | Even
the online Keyservers are not responding to proper probes for auth
requests. Is the Apocalypse upon us? I'm going to go get two more beers
and have a smoke. |
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| CloudLion | Thanks
for the help everyone. As it turned out there was an issue with the gpg
network. That issue was resolved and all the keys I needed became
available and the issues ended up getting sorted out. |
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| CloudLion | SlavekB I still can't say that I saw a response to my question to you. |
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| CloudLion | At the moment I've managed to break sudo for Linux Mint and Trinity. So I had to enable the root account. |
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| CloudLion | I hope I can fix this issue. |
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| CloudLion | I'm going to jump to the conclusion that..... SlavekB is running.... pure Gentoo Linux! |
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| CloudLion | The
really sexy Gentoo where you work the stage install process right up to
re-compiling everything for the available hardware at hand. |
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| CloudLion | Is anyone alive here? |
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| mirda | hi,
please can you help me? I use TDE R14.0.5 and I am getting error
message every start of Konversation and then every few minutes while
Konversation is running |
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| mirda | [3] Could not resolve host |
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| mirda | http://mirda.tk/dl/screeny/scrot298.png |
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| mirda | i haven't any unresolvable address in serverlist |
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| mirda | this behavior started after upgrade from TDE v3.5.13.2, where old settings were kept after upgrade |
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| SlavekB | I'm trying to find out where this mesasge might come from. |
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| SlavekB | However, now I have to go away ... I'll be offline for a few hours. |
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| mirda | ok, thank you for your effort and I will wait |
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| CloudLion | Does
anyone here know how Trinity Desktop works with PAM? I'm asking this
because I can't get mintinstall to correctly work. I assume it |
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| CloudLion | s |
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| CloudLion | an authorization issue and rights. |
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| CloudLion | I
really don't want to purge auth-pam .... ah... especially since I'm
mostly from rpm land and the debian paradigm modified by Ubuntu isn't
like Red Hat or SuSE's line off thought. |
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| CloudLion | Anyone
here have any ideas? Random inspirations? Off the wall music
suggestions to support beer drinking between diving into /etc? |
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| CloudLion | Is anyone here using Trinity Desktop on an Ubuntu/Mint foundation? |
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| CloudLion | I'd like Mint specific assistance. |
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| a-865 | I've been seeing you on trinity-desktop since 8 Dec but every time I see your question it's right after you logged off |
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| pitriss | a-865:
yeah the same here.. Maybe there could be a Bot which can remember
answers for someone for some timeframe.. (i mean with selfcleaning
pending replies) |
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| _Chris_ | kb9vqf:
And please remove the block from the channel. That would be nice. The
spam wave seems to be over since a longer time. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Can TQT/TDE build with strict aliasing? |
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| _Chris_ | Because it seems at least in 2016 or so -fno-strict-aliasing was needed. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Just for report. Building tqt with -no-stl fails here. |
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| pitriss | I
accidentaly started kopete where I have 2 ICQ accounts but they don't
wokr any longed.. I was curious why that happened so i tried some quick
google search and found something on miranda wiki |
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| pitriss | ICQ
servers drop old auth scheme support. We deprecated old OSCAR protocol
completely and implemented support for a brand new WIM protocol, but it
currently lacks many features. // https://wiki.miranda-ng.org/index.php?title=Plugin:ICQ |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: How sad that is.. |
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| pitriss | Question is... ..is it worth that effort to make it functional again? There is some implementation for libpurple: https://github.com/EionRobb/icyque |
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| _Chris_ | After MSN the next oscar based protocol which was trashed because change seems to be some sport now. |
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| pitriss | I
got wild, scary and silly idea at once.. Wouldn't be easier to make
kopete work with libpurple as backend so we will have covered more
networks with clean and slick ui of kopete? |
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| pitriss | I quite don't like pidgin |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Me too not. Does libpurple not depend on the GNOME-things like glib? |
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| pitriss | yeah its sad.. even with agreeing on fact that oscar protocol was crap with all of that "turboings" while login etc |
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| pitriss | not sure.. I just have libpurple installed anyway because of local instance of bitlbee |
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| pitriss | FOr Kopete it could be something like checkbox "Enable libpurple support".. Not complete backend change |
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| _Chris_ | On the other side, it seems libpurple offer a very large support for a lot of IMs. |
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| pitriss | yes it does.. |
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| _Chris_ | So
preserve the old working and more lightweight protocols like XMMP and
make libpurple optional? That would be a wonderfull idea. The XMPP
plugin for example was mostly ripped of from PSI anyway, but it's slim. |
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| pitriss | So if it would be possible to write some layer between kopete and libpurple.. |
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| _Chris_ | Bitlbee has done it the same way, it seems. |
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| pitriss | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libpurple0 //here you can see dependencies in debian |
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| _Chris_ | I found that. |
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| _Chris_ | https://gist.github.com/fabianp/1904343 |
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| pitriss | Or yeah.. this can be start for new wave of plugins for kopete |
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| _Chris_ | But it seems to need gstreamer too.. |
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| pitriss | based on libpurple |
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| _Chris_ | But maybe that is optional. |
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| pitriss | yes for some media handling I guess.. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise, kaffeine have/had some gstreamer plugin too.. |
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| pitriss | Maybe theres some way how we can create some package like kopete-libpurple-plugins |
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| pitriss | BTW theres also quite nice libpurple plugin for skype |
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| pitriss | Its based on webbased skype.. and works for text chat quite well..:) |
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| _Chris_ | https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhatIsLibpurple |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting to know with Skype. |
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| pitriss | Thats why i have local installation of bitlbee.. Twitter and Skype within konversation :D |
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| _Chris_ | So
seems from theory it seems to be some option to create something like
that. But like always the problem would be to do that. But, after all,
there has to be some idea. Maybe you can write that done in the
bugtracker pitriss? |
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| pitriss | And discord and steam |
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| _Chris_ | I don't like discord after all when I heard that a lot of projects ditched IRC for it.. |
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| _Chris_ | At least the original client seems to use electron (chromium for applications). |
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| pitriss | Me
too, but some games uses discord for the communication between
players.. I played Defiance and there is quite nice community on
discords unofficial defiance server |
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| _Chris_ | Which, in fact, Skype seems to do too now.. |
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| pitriss | Tera online uses it on official basis |
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| pitriss | I would love some whatsapp/viber plugins for purple |
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| _Chris_ | I am much more for kopete to gain libpurple support instead of beeing forced to use something like Telepathy.. |
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| _Chris_ | At least using libpurple is using self-created protocol-plugins. Like it should be done for kopete. |
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| _Chris_ | Telepathy
is some layer too much. But I think, that is different seen by people.
People knowing how it was back in time will think different about that
than people growing up with something like KDE4. |
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| _Chris_ | I thought too often about some Telegram-plugin for Kopete. Because telegram people did some simple to use lib for using: https://telegram.org/blog/tdlib |
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| pitriss | yeah.. telegram is huge project and to be honest i didnt seen anything I need being depend on it.. |
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| pitriss | And I see, I'm kinda special case because I can live with most communicators residing in my konversation:) |
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| pitriss | But yeah I'm using vacuum for jabber/XMPP but MUCs I have in konversation..:) |
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| pitriss | Vacuum is quite nice qt based client and I like it more than PSI/PSI+ |
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| _Chris_ | The
server part is still closed-source. And you have to trust the russian.
But it's at least some WA alternative for people depending on it. It's
sad XMPP got not more attention.. |
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| pitriss | PSI+ webkit is also nice but I failed while i tried to force it to use my own chat theme |
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| _Chris_ | From what I have discovered a year ago.. |
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| _Chris_ | PSI or PSI+ still has.. qt3 support. |
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| pitriss | XMPP was killed by WA/Viber/Facebook messenger and other cellphone number based apps |
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| _Chris_ | You know what? HPLIP too. |
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| _Chris_ | It's still maintained, it seems too. |
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| pitriss | nice |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
I will try the qt3-to-tqt3 conversion scripts and try to build that.
Would be very funny if that would work out of the box.. |
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| pitriss | Its nice but as fart as I can tell, for me - Best IM client is Konversation.. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, because bitlbee integration, right? |
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| pitriss | yes, exactly.. |
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| pitriss | and
sometimes it comes handy to use it with bitlbee even for communication
with multiple people on personal basis (not muc or something) in one
window.. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/twaugh/hplip/blob/master/ui/aboutdlg_base.ui |
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| pitriss | so you can see reaction of one and plan with someone else action based on previous answer from original person:) |
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| pitriss | From the start you can feel it as messy.. but when you get used to it.. its not so bad :) |
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| _Chris_ | They
name the qt4 and qt5 version in HPLIP simply "ui4" and "ui5". And the
original qt3 UI simply "ui". It's made in python. So the tqt3-python
bindings would be needed. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, bitlebee is a good idea and IRC a solid not crazy changing base. |
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| pitriss | Yeah.. Its sad that Jabber MUCs never reached comfort of IRC.. But it was mostly because incompetence of client devs.. |
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| pitriss | They focused on bells and whistles instead of useful things like command aliases, pasting output of some user scripts etc |
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| pitriss | Back in the days i Had even some scripts for kopete but they are now lost in the time.. |
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| pitriss | I completely forgot how to vrite script that could be used in kopete.. |
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| pitriss | Konversation
passes some arguments to the script which can be used to point dcop to
correct server/room and write output there..:) |
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| pitriss | So its easy to write script in any language with any functionality and just use it with konversation |
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| pitriss | And
yeah in some time i got forced to stop using classic tabbed layout
because it was cluttered so much with many opened networks etc.. But
that alternative layout with channels etc on the left is also good.. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny, that is my next step maybe too - Changing the tab layout. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I am not into that, but I played today with some options. Building with
strict aliasing works. It seems to be the default with O2 in general.
The ebuild from Gentoo just had -fno-strict-aliasing in, because it not
don't worked back in the days. |
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| _Chris_ | Secondly
I looked at some building options. -fno-exceptions for example. From
what I have seen, you are building tqt for Debian with -no-exceptions
anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | So I build it also with -fno-exceptions. |
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| _Chris_ | But
when building tdelibs with -fno-exceptions, it fails to compile,
because it seems kjs from tdehtml is using exceptions. But that makes no
sense to me, when tqt is build without exception support anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Same to building with STL. |
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| _Chris_ | TQT fails to build, if not using with STL. |
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| _Chris_ | But it seems tdelibs is build with -DTQT_NO_STL anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | So
my theory was, excluding STL support in TQT, if it is not used in TDE
anway. But that is not possible, because TQT fails to build otherwise. |
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| _Chris_ | Same with STL support. Seems TDE is using this old QT container things anway because of it's roots from the time. |
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| _Chris_ | So my thinking was building without it TDE + tqt. |
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| _Chris_ | Just some things to which I came by accident because I had to look into the ebuilds and testing some cflags.. |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe it would make sense to add something like -no-exceptions to the rest of TDE too, or tdelibs. Just some thinking. |
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| _Chris_ | Because when building OPIE (QT2), it was possible to build it completely without exceptions for performance reasons. |
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| _Chris_ | Just for reference. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=8998 |
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| _Chris_ | About
the STL-switch: Seems that if you use -DTQT_NO_STL TQT/QT3 will use
some internal STL named QTL. Maybe that's not working abymore. |
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| _Chris_ | https://doc.qt.io/archives/3.3/qt-template-lib.html |
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| _Chris_ | So
it would be nice for older machines if tqt could be build with
-DTQT_NO_STL again, for performance reasons. In a world where the C++
STL seems to be ever growing. |
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| charltonh | Hello, I've been running KDE-3.5 on Gentoo since forever now. |
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| charltonh | It's probably about time I update to trinity |
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| charltonh | Because KDE-5/plasma is still sucking... |
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| charltonh | Anyhow, I noticed the gentoo wiki is not right. |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh: Please use this overlay: https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity |
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| charltonh | And the overlay depends on x11-proto/inputproto instead of x11-base/xorg-proto |
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| _Chris_ | And
please, make sure to downgrade git. The old git.eclass is not
compatible with it. So if fetching sources dont work, pleae downgrade
git. |
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| charltonh | Yes, I was able to get the sources and add the repo |
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| _Chris_ | Right. That you can edit and re-manifest again. It will work after that. |
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| charltonh | not yet sure how to add the layman - layman not found |
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| charltonh | Chris: great that you are on here helping me out! |
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| charltonh | like... when does that ever happen anymore? |
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| charltonh | you must be my generation (I'm in my 40s) |
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| charltonh | lol |
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| _Chris_ | Layman? Emerge -av layman. After that you can use: Layman with -o switch to point to the https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/master/Documentation/trinity.overlay file. |
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| charltonh | ok, I'll try that. |
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| charltonh | Seems like what's stopping me now is the inputproto dependency. No builds exist in trinity repo or today's portage |
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| charltonh | seems like there was a conversion to xorg-proto some time ago. |
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| _Chris_ | From what I know is, that all *proto things were merged into the http://gpo.zugaina.org/x11-base/xorg-proto ebuild. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Exactly. X11 people did this switch upstream. |
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| _Chris_ | I am using here TDE on Gentoo too. |
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| _Chris_ | Here are one or two other Gentoo users using TDE from what I know. |
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| charltonh | Oh
cool. *excellent* :-) I was wondering
because gentoo isn't one of the distros listed on trinitydesktop.org |
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| _Chris_ | Does layman work for you now? |
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| _Chris_ | No, the overlay is maintained by someone external. It is not perfect or has all applications. |
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| _Chris_ | But you can build very easy some optional things like amarok per hand. |
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| charltonh | No,
I'm seeing Overlay "trinity" does not exist - when I try to add
it. But I have it in the repos.conf/ dir and actually
downloaded the sources to /usr/local/overlay/trinity |
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| _Chris_ | The trinity-base things all work. |
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| charltonh | Like the Gentoo wiki says, (but maybe I need to move it to /usr/local/portage) |
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| charltonh | I hate it when these guys constantly change conventions |
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| _Chris_ | Let me see. I have my layman working since a long time. It's your first overlay which you use? |
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| _Chris_ | "/var/lib/layman/trinity" |
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| charltonh | Well, I am able to emerge -p trinity-base/tdebase-meta |
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| charltonh | Without the overlay... because it was added to the repos |
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| charltonh | I have no /var/lib/layman/trinity |
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| charltonh | The gentoo wiki needs updating. For example the dir packages.keywords needs to be package.keywords |
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| charltonh | Otherwise it doesn't work. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny thing is. In some months it will be package.accepted_keywords. |
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| charltonh | Yes,
trinity isn't listed in the remote-fetch list, so I assume there must
be some way to add it manually once you have the repos.conf file |
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| charltonh | oh boy. ridiculous |
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| charltonh | Well,
it seems I *could* emerge tdebase-meta but what's stopping me is
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-proto/inputproto" |
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| charltonh | and that appears to be the only error. |
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| _Chris_ | Please edit the ebuild and remove the dep. |
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| _Chris_ | After that, you can do "ebuild </var/lib/trinity-overlay/dev-qt/tqt3-xxx.ebuild manifest>. |
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| _Chris_ | And after that, you can just try it again. You will most likely have the xorg-proto ebuild installed, right? |
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| charltonh | Ok, it's actually in 7 different ebuilds |
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| charltonh | yes, it's installed |
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| _Chris_ | Right, from what I know that is more or less the case. |
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| charltonh | Ok, trying that now... |
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| _Chris_ | But it's nothing what makes problems. :-) |
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| charltonh | Ok
well so far there's the wiki issues, and this inputproto
issue. And there being no overlay or instructions on how to
add the overlay |
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| charltonh | Just reporting this here, because once I get it running I'll forget! :-) |
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| charltonh | Ok, there's actually only one ebuild: dev-qt/tqt/tqt-3.9999 |
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| _Chris_ | Right. The ebuilds are all 9999 versions. |
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| charltonh | Looks like I can emerge now! |
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| _Chris_ | That is TDE R14.1.0 (master) branch then. But it is very stable. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Sadly I have to sleep now. |
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| _Chris_ | You was just in luck that I was not offline just a minute ago. I am here more or less every day. |
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| charltonh | Ok, well looks like you got me over the hump. It'll take a few hours probably to emerge anyway. |
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| charltonh | Thank you !! |
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| _Chris_ | Good to see some other Gentoo users here. :-) |
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| charltonh | yeah cool. I'm so looking forward to this! |
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| charltonh | yeah! |
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| _Chris_ | People in IRC here are very friendly and helpfull. You just need a bit to wait sometimes. |
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| charltonh | I was actually able to install KDE-3.5 on Gentoo not too long ago |
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| charltonh | but it was a bitch. |
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| _Chris_ | Was it not needing hal? |
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| charltonh | I don't remember. I know some of the packages did not emerge but I still run it |
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| charltonh | I had to build with old binutils and gcc |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. |
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| charltonh | yeah and difficult to maintain my system too. |
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| _Chris_ | You can ride of a lot of things like udisks or polkit and so on with TDE. It's more or less controllable with USE flags. |
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| charltonh | cool. |
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| charltonh | Again thanks! |
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| _Chris_ | For mounting TDE will use pmount and some tool from the spacefm dev. I don't come to the name right now. |
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| _Chris_ | Udevil. |
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| _Chris_ | You
will have to rebuild from time to time. I have some commands for that.
First building tqt, after that tqtinterface, arts then, tdelibs and than
all packages installed and depending on tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ Here you can track all changes and if there are some important for you, you can rebuild. |
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| _Chris_ | I have to sleep now. Good night. :-) |
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| charltonh | tqt didn't build, gonna try --keep-going and go back to it |
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| charltonh | error
was Could not find mkspecs for your QMAKESPEC after trying:
/usr/tqt3/mkspecs (/usr/tqt3* obviously doesn't exist yet) |
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| charltonh | Giving up. I have no idea what to set QMAKESPEC to when tqt isn't even installed yet. |
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| charltonh | Looks
like I may have to set a QTPATH or something else too. I
tried setting QMAKESPEC to linux-g++-64 but it still cannot find a
qmake.conf file |
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| charltonh | Morning Chris, I was unable to get tqt to build. The error was: |
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| charltonh | Could not find mkspecs for your QMAKESPEC after trying: /usr/tqt3/mkspecs (/usr/tqt3* obviously doesn't exist yet) |
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| charltonh | I tried setting QMAKESPEC by: qmake -set QMAKESPEC linux-g++-64 |
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| charltonh | I also set it to linux-g++ |
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| charltonh | Didn't
work because then the tqt build failed with: Failure to read
QMAKESPEC conf file /mkspecs/linux-g++-64/qmake.conf |
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| charltonh | So looks like I may have to also set a QTPATH to somewhere there's a QT instance already on the system? |
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| charltonh | it will not be a QT3 instance |
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| _Chris_ | You have installed the overlay now properly? |
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| _Chris_ | Because I can verify here, that the build is working fine here. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have to wait on the police right now, so I don't have time at the
moment. But you can write down all about that and I will take a look at
it later. :-) |
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| charltonh | Oh wow, ok good luck! |
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| charltonh | Chris could you please tell me what your QMAKESPEC is set to? |
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| charltonh | Just type: qmake -query QMAKESPEC |
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| charltonh | Apparently
this qmake stuff needs to be set up correctly before the tqt build will
work. I didn't see anything about that anywhere though. |
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| charltonh | Actually just: qmake -query |
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| charltonh | ...to see all the env vars |
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| charltonh | (related to QT) |
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| charltonh | hmmm... I managed to hack my way around this problem by manually creating a link from /mkspects -> /usr/lib64/qt5/mkspecs |
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| charltonh | But I think because it's QT5 instead of QT3 it's causing other problems. Now getting this error: |
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| charltonh | Project LOAD(): Feature qt_config cannot be found |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh: I don't have time. But tqt3 is using tqmake. |
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| _Chris_ | And qt has nothing to do with tqt. |
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| charltonh | ok, that's interesting. I'll try working that angle. |
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| _Chris_ | That will, most likely, never work. |
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| charltonh | still don't understand why tqt depends on qt and qmake |
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| charltonh | that's some cyclical dependencies right there |
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| charltonh | There's no tqmake on my sytem yet |
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| _Chris_ | That should not be the case. |
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| _Chris_ | How you come to that conclusion? |
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| charltonh | Because I have to point it to a mkspecs directory for tqt to build |
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| _Chris_ | It can be build with tqmake. So: You can build it without any qt installed before. |
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| _Chris_ | Neither qt3, nor qt4, nor qt5. |
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| charltonh | tqmake is not on my system, doesn't tqt build that? |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| charltonh | Looks like /usr/bin/qmake is installed by dev-qt/qtchooser |
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| charltonh | Well maybe the fact I have QT5 on this system is confusing the tqt build |
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| charltonh | I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | qtchooser
should have nothing to do with tqt. You should find a way to properly
add the overlay and set up layman. I don't want to be harsh. But you
will have all kind of broken things, if you try further to do it per
hand. |
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| charltonh | Ok
I wouldn't think it'd make a difference since all the trinity packages
are in my tree, but an overlay -l shows no overlays, so if that could be
it I'll try |
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| _Chris_ | Can you paste (with link) the output of a simple "emerge tqt"? |
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| _Chris_ | And you still have qt3 installed, right? That could be problematic for tqt to build. |
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| charltonh | Sure! No
qt3, but I have qt5 installed. From what I've searched on
google the final error msg I'm getting (feature qt_config cannot be
found), seems to be a qt version thing. |
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| charltonh | It can be seen at https://paste.ee/p/jSzEX |
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| charltonh | tqt seems to build fine up until this point |
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| charltonh | the whole build output is over 4k lines if you want it |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. Do you have a different machine to test it? |
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| _Chris_ | Qt5 is no problem. I had installed qt4 and have installed qt5 too. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you habe any qt3 files in your /etc/env.de/? |
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| _Chris_ | I mean /etc/env.d/. |
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| _Chris_ | Because maybe there are things left from your qt3 install. Just some idea. Qt4 did leave files too when I removed it. |
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| charltonh | I don't think this machine ever had qt3 installed but I did add the qt3 flag |
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| charltonh | I also tried adding the file /etc/env.d/44tqt3 which has some env vars but didn't seem to help |
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| charltonh | gonna try removing it and rebuilding |
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| _Chris_ | Did you not wrote, that you had KDE 3.10 installed still on Gentoo? Or did I read that wrong? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, try that, but I doubt, that any existing package from portage still support it. |
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| charltonh | Yes, I have KDE-3.5 on my main machine. I'm trying to get this going in a VM first. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that I meant. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you paste to full buildlog? |
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| charltonh | Ok |
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| charltonh | Yeah it failed again. |
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| charltonh | Complete build log is at paste.ee/p/QDi87 |
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| charltonh | I think the answer may be as simple as using the wrong qmake version. |
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| charltonh | But there's no other qmake or tqmake on my system. |
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| _Chris_ | You just can try to remove qt5. |
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| _Chris_ | GCC is 7.3? |
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| _Chris_ | From what I have searched on the web, it seems to be in fact some problem with some different qt version. |
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| charltonh | Yeah GCC 7.3, perhaps I should try 6.4 or older? |
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| _Chris_ | You can try, but it worked for me with GCC 7.3 and now 7.4. So - No. That will make no difference. |
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| charltonh | but yeah the problem I think is not having the right version of qmake, which should be a dependency |
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| charltonh | Ok, that's good to know. |
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| _Chris_ | http://www.qtcn.org/bbs/read.php?tid=14309 You can translate it. |
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| charltonh | reading |
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| _Chris_ | What qt* dirs do you have in /usr/lib/ or /usr/lib64/? |
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| _Chris_ | Do
you have opened a new terminal and did a env-update && .
/etc/profile? Because yesterday you trief a lot with setting enviroment
vars from what I know. Maybe that have made things a bit confusing. |
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| charltonh | Hey, it worked! I manually created the link /mkspecs -> /var/tmp/portage/dev-qt/twt-3.999/mkspecs |
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| _Chris_ | Wow, wonderfull! |
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| charltonh | So now it was able to find the appropriate tqt3 mkspecs files |
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| _Chris_ | You mean tqt, not twt, right? |
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| charltonh | Ok, so I'm going to add this to my notes on how to build trinity |
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| charltonh | yes, tqt, sorry |
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| _Chris_ | Can you paste the full command here? |
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| charltonh | Now on to building the rest of trinity! |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. Normaly that should not be needed. There has to be something wrong on your setup. |
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| charltonh | Ok, I did a: ln -s /var/tmp/portage/dev-qt/tqt-3.9999/work/tqt-3.9999/mkspecs mkspecs |
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| charltonh | WHILE the thing was emerging |
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| charltonh | from the root / directory |
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| _Chris_ | So you now have some /mkspecs? |
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| charltonh | Well, I think there's something wrong with the ebuild, or perhaps an environment variable should have been set by the ebuild |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it's amd64 specific? I don't have some machine here to test, right now. |
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| _Chris_ | You did edit the ebuild, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Not to sue you - But, you can try to re-add it and once again change the xproto lines. |
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| charltonh | Yes it's amd64, yes, I had to edit the ebuild to remote the inputproto dep |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
we talked about that yesterday. Maybe something broke. Just bad luck.
Would be nice if you could remove that link again and try it with a new
edited copy of the ebuild again to verfiy. |
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| charltonh | That's a good idea |
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| charltonh | I already removed the link, because it no longer points to anything |
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| charltonh | I'll try re-emerging it now |
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| charltonh | I'm
taking a bunch of notes, once I get trinity up and running and I like
it, I plan on rebuilding it on my main machine, which is another
slightly different gentoo machine. |
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| charltonh | By the time I'm through, I should have some good input on how to build trinity on today's gentoo |
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| charltonh | Not sure who that should go to, though. |
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| charltonh | Ok
after removing the link, tqt-3.9999 no longer builds. Even
though it's already installed now. Same error about not
finding the QMAKESPEC conf file at /mkspecs/linux-g++-64/qmake.conf |
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| charltonh | (because there is no /mkspecs dir) |
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| charltonh | It's probably a QT PATH env var not getting set |
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| charltonh | but even if it was set, it'd have to get set to the /var/tmp/portage/dev-qt/tqt-3.9999/work/tqt-3.9999/mkspecs dir |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, the ebuild need to be fixed anyway. The "append-flags
-fno-strict-aliasing" thing seems not to be needed today. It was back
from qt3 it seems. I tested that yesterday. That is included within -O2
anyway. |
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| charltonh | Who's maintaining trinity? I can add that to my email |
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| _Chris_ | You mean the overlay? |
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| charltonh | yeah, overlay |
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| charltonh | the guy on github I guess? |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/tree/master/Documentation |
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| charltonh | the gentoo wiki should also be updated sligtly |
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| charltonh | slightly |
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| charltonh | Okay, most of the packages have built! |
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| charltonh | Looks like I hit a snag with "rpcgen is required, but not found on your system" |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. You can use --keep-going. |
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| charltonh | Perhaps the rpc use flag should be enabled? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, for the nfs things, right? |
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| charltonh | good idea, I'll --keep-going while I work on this |
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| charltonh | I think I had like 10 packages left |
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| charltonh | Do you have the rpc use flag enabled? |
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| charltonh | rpc interfaces are usually old school deprecated things |
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| SlavekB | You need commit cb787d05 from tdebase :) |
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| charltonh | ah ok! Thanks SlavekB |
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| charltonh | Is it not in the latest github? |
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| SlavekB | Gentoo overlay is not well maintained. |
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| _Chris_ | It is. I mean I had to add: http://gpo.zugaina.org/net-libs/libtirpc. |
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| charltonh | ?? |
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| _Chris_ | RPC things were ripped of from glibc since some time. You have to install some replacement. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, mentioned commit for tdebase is to use libtirpc instead od deprecated nfs code from glibc. |
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| _Chris_ | So dep on libtirpc should be added to that ebuild. |
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| charltonh | Chris: how do I add libtirpc ? |
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| _Chris_ | No, simply emerge that package. |
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| _Chris_ | That works. After that just recompile the failing package. |
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| _Chris_ | At least that should work. Better not change the ebuilds now. Not that it introduces more problems. |
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| charltonh | I already have net-libs/libtirpc installed. Is this a different one? |
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| _Chris_ | Try to emerge rpcsvc-proto too. |
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| _Chris_ | "This package is only needed, if glibc is installed without the deprecated sunrpc functionality and libtirpc should replace it." |
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| charltonh | Emerging rpcsvc-proto fixed it! |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that was the missing one. You can note that. |
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| charltonh | Done! |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it would be nice to add the overlay to the new tde workspace and change at least the xproto things and the rpc things. |
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| _Chris_ | And make some additional use flags for tqt3 too - Also removing the mask of -fstrict-aliasing. |
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| _Chris_ | Next
git update will break the old git eclass. It's only with testing git at
the moment. The eclass need to be fixed because git flags changed or
so. |
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| _Chris_ | So if fetching sources doesn't work in next weeks, try to downgrade git. |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh:
I have some script to build several TDE applications using automake
still per hand. Kaffeine for example. Amarok also. Both use xine-lib,
which is maintained well again. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications if you need to build something per hand. |
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| charltonh | Cool.
I don't think I use any of those except Clementine, which runs with qt5
I think, but I guess Amarok is the qt3 version of that? Is
there any other advantage to using Amarok over Clementine? |
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| charltonh | There was a file collision also in one of the builds: /usr/trinity/14/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/apps/kicker.png |
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| SlavekB | Yes - already reported on Bugzilla... |
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| _Chris_ | Less memory and ressources loaded. Because tqt3 is used anyway by TDE. And yes, I am not wrong, Clementine is some Amarok fork. |
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| charltonh | Oh no... 2nd to last package failed with "Failed Patch: tdebase-starttde-14-gentoo.patch" |
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| _Chris_ | That patch you can comment out. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean I did this long ago, because from what I remind me, it was already merged into master? |
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| charltonh | Kind of implies that never worked though? |
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| _Chris_ | You can remove that patch from the ebuild. Comment it out. |
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| charltonh | Ok. |
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| _Chris_ | It is old and worked a year or so ago. |
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| charltonh | Ok, all built! |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. :-) |
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| charltonh | Ok, getting ready to start it for the first time... this could be a lifechanging moment! |
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| * _Chris_ grins. |
| charltonh | Wow! Things are working again that haven't been working in my KDE-3.5 for a while! |
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| charltonh | :-))) |
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| charltonh | Time to start customizing!! |
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| _Chris_ | What for example? :-) |
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| charltonh | awesome so far. |
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| _Chris_ | Master branch is very stable for me. |
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| charltonh | I
actually have 16 different desktops in my pager, for one, each with its
own background, and each background is its own thumbnail image inside
the pager |
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| charltonh | This is something, for example, KDE4 or KDE5 has not had. |
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| charltonh | plus KDE4 & KDE5 are bloated as hell. |
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| charltonh | There are icons on my screen, I don't really like that. |
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| charltonh | I guess because I have so many desktops, each with stuff running in them |
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| charltonh | This feels so fast too! |
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| charltonh | Also, my KDE-3.5 installation has had parts of its control panel broken for a while too. |
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| charltonh | This is SO sweet... |
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| charltonh | Ok, onto my main machine now! ;-) |
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| SlavekB | By the way, I see new commits to Trinity Gentoo overlay! |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Really. Just some hours ago! |
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| SlavekB | I see it thanks to mirror of this repository on TDE Gitea Workspace :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have seen that. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way. Are users allowed to create repos on the TDE gitea if they
register there, or is that restricted in any way? |
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| SlavekB | It depends on how active the contributors are. |
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| SlavekB | Once
the account is created, the default count is limited to 0 => it is
good for the user to report issues and enter pull requests. |
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| _Chris_ | At least it is nice to be independent from github and gitlab. |
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| _Chris_ | One thing what I really dislike about that is that the issues are splitted now between bugzilla and gitea.. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that should be restricted to bugzilla? Gitea don't work well in konqueror too, from what I have tested. :-( |
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| SlavekB | If a contributor is interested in creating a repository, we will increase limit - usually to 5 or 10. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, Konqueror is not enough for Gitea. |
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| _Chris_ | I
would be interested to play a bit there. Also I thought about importing
the Gentoo overlay, because I thought it is not maintained anymore by
fatzer. |
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| _Chris_ | Would be important to have the bugs central on one platform.. Otherwise you always have to look the other one. |
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| SlavekB | Regarding
Bugzilla × Gitea Issues: This is complicated because, Gitea Issues are
very well integrated with source code and allow for better work with
comments. |
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| charltonh | I still don't have the trinity overlay when I do a layman -l |
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| charltonh | I wonder if it needs to be in /usr/local/portage instead of /usr/local/overlay |
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| charltonh | like the wiki says |
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| SlavekB | So, although Bugzilla is a very good system, Gitea Issues allows for better integration into the development process. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I see. But bugzilla works so good with konqueror and is not changing
too fast. It fits in a way to TDE. Also there is still Kbugbuster. But I
doubt, that will work in near time again.. |
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| SlavekB | Ehm, Kbugbuster does not work with new Bugzilla. |
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| _Chris_ | I know. It never worked a long time ago. But it's still part of TDE. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, we still hope to find the time to modify the code so it can work again... |
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| _Chris_ | No stress. :-) |
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| SlavekB | On
the other hand, introducing Gitea has greatly helped the work of
programmers, so there may be an effort to teach KBugbuster to work with
Gitea Issues :) |
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| _Chris_ | Would be wonderfull it could work with booth. Seems gitea is no bloat project like gitlab. freedesktop changed to it too. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, we chose Gitea because it is very resource-friendly compared to Gitlab. |
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| SlavekB | And the experience of working with Gitea confirms that it was a good choice :) |
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| _Chris_ | That was a good choice. I very dislike gitlab. And after the github thing, it is clever don't stick to corporate stuff.. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I had some idea. I just discovered I have the whole ruby stack only
installed because of Amarok. It seems that Amarok doesn't support some
--without-scripting switch. So ruby has to be build too. There is
someproject named https://github.com/mruby/mruby
- Which is a lightweight ruby interpreter. It can be embedded within
the binary too. Maybe it would be nice to choose between the full blown
ruby and the mruby inplementation. |
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| _Chris_ |
But that, just only if scripting support is wanted anyway. Amarok works
without ruby too. Just you get some warning, that some script can't be
executed, if ruby if not installed. |
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| _Chris_ | And
I had some idea about gitea and Konqueror. Maybe it is possible to
offer some alternative view for issues or something like that. Just some
idea that came to my mind. Something like cgit for the repos. |
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| _Chris_ | Making
script support optional should be no problem. I would try to do that,
but I can't build amarok at the moment, because it is using some
xine-lib internal, which was changed in xine-lib master (which I use
here). Amarok needs to be fixed at least with next xine-lib release. |
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| charltonh | Ok well everything built fine on my main machine, |
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| charltonh | But unfortunately trinity does not start. It did go through the wizard, and prompted me for setting up GnuPG keys. |
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| charltonh | After that, nothing. It does not load the splash screen, it's just a mouse pointer on an empty cyan screen. |
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| charltonh | I cannot do anything but kill Xorg |
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| charltonh | I'm not sure what it's unable to start, I tried looking for log files somewhere but I have no idea where it was getting hung up. |
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| charltonh | So I recompiled the whole sytem overnight! This morning it's the same thing though. |
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| charltonh | I'm thinking it might be a USE flag I have on this sytem, perhaps. |
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| charltonh | Put my IRC in screen mode and gonna try a few things... |
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| charltonh | Does anyone know how I can see a log file of trinity and what it's unable to start/do? |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh: Is TDM starting? |
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| _Chris_ | Did you not wrote, that TDE is awesome and you got it working? |
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| _Chris_ | Or was that some different machine? |
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| charltonh | That was on my VM. I have no idea why it's working there and not on my main machine. |
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| charltonh | I'm pretty sure TDM is not starting. I took a look at the processes, and nothing. |
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| charltonh | I don't even get the splash screen |
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| charltonh | I'm not sure what it's hanging up on. |
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| charltonh | It did go through the wizard, which looked fine. |
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| charltonh | The only thing I see on the console is "SystemDirNotify" - I don't think that's related. |
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| _Chris_ | Did you change /etc/conf.d/xdm? |
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| charltonh | No I did not. |
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| _Chris_ | Please link to a paste of /var/log/tdm.log |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, now that is the problem. |
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| charltonh | But it's the same as what's on my VM |
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| charltonh | which works |
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| _Chris_ | Please edit the /etc/conf.d/xdm and change the displaymanager var to "tdm", |
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| _Chris_ | After that do some rc-config restart xdm. |
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| _Chris_ | If that gives you some blank screen, please paste the above logfile content. |
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| charltonh | well, I don't think that will make a difference because I startx from console, not from boot |
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| charltonh | I have no tdm.log |
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| charltonh | wish I did! |
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| _Chris_ | So TDM is not started. Just try it with the conf file like I wrote. |
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| _Chris_ | If that results in no tdm.log, we will see. :-) |
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| charltonh | No tdm.log on my VM machine either tho |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, there was some problem I remind.. |
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| _Chris_ | But if that would be your's, you should be not allowed to login. Something pam related. |
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| _Chris_ | Some tdm.log should be created. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you wrote, you startx? |
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| _Chris_ | With root? |
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| _Chris_ | Or your normal user? If so, you don't start tdm anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely your command to start TDE is wrong than. |
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| _Chris_ | Just edit the /etc/conf.d/xdm and rc-constart start xdm afterwards to just test if that is fixing your problem. |
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| charltonh | No I startx as a normal user |
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| charltonh | just like on my VM |
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| _Chris_ | Afterwards we can look what could be the problem. |
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| charltonh | I cannot find a log file anywhere |
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| _Chris_ | No, TDM is not started, if you just startx. |
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| _Chris_ | Please just edit the file like I wrote. You don't need to preserve that, but we can test it is working this way. |
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| charltonh | Ok. just a minute... |
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| _Chris_ | No stress. :-) |
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| charltonh | Yeah I don't run xdm, I don't see how this will affect anything |
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| _Chris_ | You should start TDE otherwise with "exec /usr/trinity/14/bin/starttde". |
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| charltonh | Gonna make sure if tde is running though |
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| _Chris_ | At least that should be the command which is executed. |
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| charltonh | Ok |
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| _Chris_ | Your ¨/.xinitrc should execute "starttde". |
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| charltonh | ah... really? that might be it then. |
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| charltonh | I don't have a ~/.xinitrc actually |
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| _Chris_ | Yes.
If you don't use some Displaymanager like tdm, you can just start with
startx, but it is executing then your ~/.xinitrc. Here you can start
wmaker, starttde, fvwm-crystal, fluxbox, or any other WM. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly your DM (TDM, XDM..) is using some session-scripts to execute this commands. |
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| _Chris_ | That should be working than. |
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| _Chris_ | Gentoo installs this sessions scripts into /etc/X11/Sessions/ normaly. Here you can find the script for starting tde. |
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| _Chris_ | If that is not working, please paste the content of ¨/.xsessions-errors. |
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| charltonh | Ok, I just checked and tde plus a starttde and a bunch of other stuff is running. I can see it in my ps. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean ~/.xsession-errors. |
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| charltonh | Just nothing is on the screen |
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| _Chris_ | Nothing? |
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| _Chris_ | No splash? |
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| _Chris_ | The file above should give you more informations what is wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | There should be something like: "[starttde] Starting starttde.". |
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| charltonh | No splash, no .xsession-errors file |
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| _Chris_ | But your X is working? I just ask. |
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| charltonh | Yes, I see that [starttde] Starting starttde |
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| charltonh | It appears X is working, I have a blank screen and I can move the mouse. Full resolution |
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| _Chris_ | You don't have some ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| charltonh | No :-( |
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| charltonh | Actually I did but it was from 2016, I removed it |
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| charltonh | gonna restart now and see if it creates a new one |
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| _Chris_ | Do you have some different, simple WM on your machine? |
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| _Chris_ | Like fluxbox or so? |
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| _Chris_ | So you can change out the command from starttde to fluxbox in the ~/xinitrc? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, you know what? I will try to start TDE with startx now too. Just let me some minutes. |
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| _Chris_ | Back.
Worked like a charm. But it seems the desktop locking dialog is a bit
borked. Why ever. Otherwise, it works like starting over TDM. |
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| charltonh | It
works on my VM too. I have no idea why this machine is any
different! except it has different USE variables |
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| charltonh | I'm seeing [tdeinit] tdeinit Running... |
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| charltonh | While I have the blank screen |
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| _Chris_ | But on no machine you use some DM, right? |
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| charltonh | ps | grep tde shows this: |
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| charltonh | root 5038 0.0 0.0
8888 864
? S 10:29
0:00 /usr/trinity/14/bin/tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol |
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| charltonh | charlton
14206 0.0 0.0 18564 1156
tty1 S 12:23
0:00 /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session
/etc/X11/Sessions/tde-14 |
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| charltonh | charlton
14282 0.0 0.0 14128 3368
tty1 S 12:23
0:00 /bin/sh /usr/trinity/14/bin/starttde |
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| charltonh | charlton
14285 0.0 0.0 26932 2260
tty1 S 12:23
0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /etc/X11/Sessions/tde-14 |
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| charltonh | charlton
14335 0.0 0.0 149436 12116
? S 12:23
0:00 dcopserver [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide |
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| charltonh | charlton
14339 1.7 0.0 176116 27104
? S 12:23
0:00 kded [tdeinit] --new-startup |
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| charltonh | root
14350 0.0 0.0
4224 76 tty1
S 12:23 0:00 start_tdeinit
--new-startup +kcminit_startup |
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| charltonh | charlton
14351 0.0 0.0 148508 15660
? Ss
12:23 0:00 [tdeinit] tdeinit Running... |
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| charltonh | charlton
14354 0.0 0.0 155156 18932
? S 12:23
0:00 tdelauncher [tdeinit] --new-startup |
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| charltonh | charlton
14360 0.0 0.0 123588 18348
tty1 S 12:23
0:00 /usr/trinity/14/bin/tdeinit_phase1 |
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| charltonh | charlton
14363 1.3 0.0 159280 21704
? S 12:23
0:00 ksmserver [tdeinit] |
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| charltonh | charlton
14364 0.0 0.0 164936 20444
? S 12:24
0:00 twin [tdeinit] |
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| charltonh | charlton
14366 0.0 0.0 156900 17984
? S 12:24
0:00 knotify [tdeinit] |
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| charltonh | charlton
14374 0.0 0.0 158816 17920
? S 12:24
0:00 kaccess [tdeinit] |
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| charltonh | charlton
14387 0.0 0.0 159564 19896
? S 12:24
0:00 klipper [tdeinit] |
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| charltonh | charlton
14389 1.4 0.0 157444 23892
? S 12:24
0:00 tderandrtray |
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| charltonh | So it looks like everything is running! |
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| charltonh | No, I do not use some DM on either machine |
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| charltonh | I do startx on both, works fine on the VM. |
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| _Chris_ | You see the mouse pointer, you say? |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | One question because of yesterday. |
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| charltonh | yes. feel like crying... this KDE-5 sucks! |
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| _Chris_ | Did you have any of the problems you had with building tqt3 on this other machine? |
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| _Chris_ | Was the workaround with the mkspecs still needed? |
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| charltonh | Yes. I did. same problem, same work-around. |
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| _Chris_ | Good to know.. |
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| charltonh | But once installed I was able to emerge it again without the workaround and it built fine |
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| _Chris_ | Your machine here is up to date? |
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| _Chris_ | Just let me reboot. |
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| charltonh | Yes, up to date and everything was rebuild (I did an emerge -e trinity-base/tdebase-meta) |
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| charltonh | was rebuilt. |
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| charltonh | I think I need to get some kind of log file going |
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| charltonh | I'm
noticing /usr/trinity/14/bin/tdeinit_phase1 from the processes table
(this was taken while I had the blank screen + mouse pointer and nothing
else seemed to be happening) |
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| charltonh | Yes, up to date and everything was rebuild (I did an emerge -e trinity-base/tdebase-meta) |
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| charltonh | was rebuilt. |
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| charltonh | I think I need to get some kind of log file going |
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| charltonh | The
main thing I can think of that's different is this machine has a bunch
of USE flags that my VM doesn't have, mainly because I've collected them
over the ages. Many might not even be relevant today. |
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| charltonh | USE="16bit
X a52 aac aes-ni alsa amarok aotuv apache2 asf audiofile bzip2 cairo
cdparanoia cdr consolekit css curl custom-optimization dbus dga divx dv
dvd dvdr dvdread encode exif expat ffmpeg firefox flac flash font-server
fts3 gd gif gmp gphoto2 gtk2 gtkhtml idn java jpeg kmod lcms libwww
loop-aes mad matroska mbox mhash mikmod mjpeg mng motif |
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| charltonh |
mozilla mp3 mp4 mpeg mpeg2 mplayer musepack mysql mysqli mythtv net
nvidia offensive ogg oggvorbis openal opengl opus oss pdf pdo php png
policykit qt3 qt5 ruby sasl sdl semantic-desktop sox speex spell spice
sqlite sse4.2 tcl tcltk tetex tga theora threads tiff timidity tk
truetype udev usbredir uvm vcd video virgl vorbis wma wma-fixed wxgtk1
wxwidgets wxwindows x264 xanim xine xml xml2 xpm |
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| charltonh | xscreensaver xv xvid xvmc abi_x86_32 -libav -avahi -mdnsreponder" |
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| charltonh | I had to take out the "lua" use flag because the trinity build complained that it was not supported. |
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| charltonh | So maybe one of these USE flags is throwing it off? can you see anything I can try removing? |
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| charltonh | The VM only has these USE flags: "qt3 icu mmx sse sse2 tk" |
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| charltonh | The
rest are defaults somewhere (profile, etc.) so it may also
have plenty of USE flags enabled, just not in the make.conf |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe policykit? But I don't think that will make some real difference. |
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| charltonh | I
just compared all the USE flags for all the tde and tqt
packages. Except for tdeioslaves which had sasl, there's
nothing. Gonna try rebuilding that now. |
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| charltonh | But I doubt it's USE flags anymore. |
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| charltonh | Ok,
it may be because I still have KDE-3.5 on this machine, and it looks
like it's trying to use the /usr/qt/3/lib64/libqt-mt.so lib instead of
the tqt one |
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| charltonh | Going to go ahead and remove KDE-3.5 and all its packages, because unfortunately it's broken now too. |
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| charltonh | which
is why I'm cursing KDE-5 now. I have to set the font in the
konsole everytime I restart because KDE-5 won't save the font that I
select. Plus all the fonts are screwed up. |
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| charltonh | I noticed TDE doesn't have this problem! |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh: Oh no. I asked you that yesterday so often, that I just missed it today. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is most likely the problem. |
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| charltonh | Sorry, I did not have KDE-3.5 on my VM, so that wasn't an issue there |
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| charltonh | I just noticed it's trying to use that libqt-mt library and it's borked |
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| charltonh | This
is scary... I'm doing a real --depclean for the first
time. I haven't been able to do it before because of all the
old KDE-3.5 packages |
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| charltonh | I've only done it manually, working around the KDE-3.5 packages |
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| charltonh | Yeah, it's gotta be the problem (I hope) |
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| charltonh | But I assumed KDE could be installed along side of Trinity because of the trinity naming |
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| _Chris_ | I don't think that is the case. You could/can install it along KDE4 and KDE5. |
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| _Chris_ | Or "Plasma".. How they call it.. today. |
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| charltonh | ctrl-D opens a new tab by default in the KDE5 konsole!! SOoo retarded! |
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| charltonh | plus I just spent 10 minutes trying to find out where to disable that "feature". Couldn't find it. |
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| _Chris_ | Features are just bloat which are to complicated for your brain. At least for the IT-3.0 scene. |
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| _Chris_ | *too |
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| charltonh | "IT-3.0"? what's that? millenial developers or something? |
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| charltonh | how
in the world can they assign net-tab to ctrl-D?! so when I
wanna log out, like all UNIX users who use ctrl-D to exit, it actually
opens a new shell instead?! |
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| charltonh | that's like Microsoft when they decided to use ctrl-alt-delete to login |
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| charltonh | wanna-be microsoft dumbass developers |
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| charltonh | Incidently it's nice that TDE reduced the number of packages and bloat quite a bit it seems from KDE-3.5 |
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| charltonh | but seems to have more features |
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| _Chris_ | TDE does make optionaly what is possible. So no one force you to systemd, dbus, consolekit, policykit and the other *kits. :-) |
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| charltonh | systemd is another retarded wannabe microsoft thing |
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| charltonh | ok, I'll stop griping now. Life will be good once I get this to work. |
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| charltonh | Ok, I'm back. And it worked! |
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| charltonh | That was it, it was trying to use the libqt in /usr/qt/3/ |
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| charltonh | I'm now running trinity on both my VM and my main machine! |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull! :-) |
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| charltonh | I'm in setup/config nirvana now. |
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| charltonh | :-) |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys. *kits sucks.. Its awesome to be on devuan already.. no systemd,
they are trying to avoud these *kits and PA and other not necessary
bullshit |
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| pitriss | Sad story are browsers.. compiled against PA without alsa |
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| charltonh | PA == pulseaudio? pathetic. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | And
now this fun is getting into Linux, with all this spectre and meltdown
fixes. Every new kernel update, I have to digg to look at what they
introduced new to slowdown my CPU. With 4.19 they introduced it without
any choice too. Wonderfull. Good that TDE will work on BSD maybe in
future. |
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| charltonh | What's
this world coming to? It really shook me when Linus "gave
in", or so it seemed. I thought all competency and merit had
fallen before political correctness and had stopped updating my kernel
for fear of backdoors |
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| charltonh | This
new trinity desktop is so fast and awesome. Chris you must
be a speed-demon too. The meltdown kernel update supposedly
took 10-15% off performance, but I really didn't notice it. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, with Gentoo you compile it yourself anyway. |
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| charltonh | I'm glad Linux acts like a layer between us and incompetent/malicious hardware manufacturers like Intel. |
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| charltonh | And so glad Linus did his little ploy. Now people are off his back because he made amends. |
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| charltonh | lol |
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| _Chris_ | I just don't let my force to be secure. Same to TDE. Never heard of anyone who got "hacked" by using TDE. |
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| charltonh | Well, I was worried about how insecure my machine might have been for using an old version of KDE-3.5 for so long. |
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| _Chris_ | To be honest, I liked the time back more. I don't need AMD and corporates like redhat. |
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| _Chris_ | Now they are giving the directions for OSS. |
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| charltonh | well better AMD than Intel, rathed isn't too evil yet |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| charltonh | if they screw it up too bad, we'll be here to push back |
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| _Chris_ | I just use my 2008 machine. |
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| _Chris_ | But there are heros like kevin brace. Working again on old IGP chips from 1998 to 2008 era. |
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| charltonh | sorry, redhat not rathead |
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| charltonh | Hey Chris, I want to thank you for helping me out. Life is good now. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Redhat is the company which is ruling GNOME, GTK3 and all this systemd and *kit crap. |
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| _Chris_ | That's wonderfull. :-) |
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| charltonh | :-) |
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| charltonh | Rathead is pushing systemd?! well I guess they aren't even mediocre in my mind anymore |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I know. Yes. PA from Lennard Poeth.. whatever.. is - if I am not
wrong also someone from redhat. But I might be wrong. I don't have
anything against systemd. At least if there is choice.. |
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| charltonh | I'm
thinking the changes that went into the trinity overlay fixed a lot of
the problems I had, minus the tqt mkspecs problem, which I think is an
environment variable (PATH) that wasn't getting set in the ebuild |
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| charltonh | I think that still needs to be fixed. |
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| _Chris_ | That's wonderfull too. |
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| charltonh | yeah because building on my main machine was no problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the overlay should be maintained in gitea. But it's my personal opinion. |
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| charltonh | yeah I was reading what you said about gitea, I need to look into that |
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| charltonh | Well,
good point about having a choice with systemd, but I do have something
against it because it's not really good OS architecture |
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| _Chris_ | Right, but good Gentoo leaves choice and Devuan is wonderfull too. |
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| _Chris_ | But
there are dark forces into Gentoo too. You can see that if you see how
they try it again and again to hide GTK2 support for programs which are
supporting it activly. |
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| charltonh | hmmm... sounds like maybe a maintainer with a preference rather than "dark forces" |
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| _Chris_ | No. |
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| _Chris_ | The problem is, that more and more packages are maintained by some full-time gentoo devs. If you want to say it this way. |
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| _Chris_ | And some little maintainer are not allowing them to support this for example. I have seen it mutiple times within bugtracker. |
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| _Chris_ | Last bad thing was - They removed splashutils. |
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| _Chris_ | And old xorg-drivers. |
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| _Chris_ | The thing is: Weeks later, some dev updated a bunch of them. |
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| _Chris_ | And
that was done not knowing Gentoo ditched them. So why they don't wait a
bit? Back in the days software was preserved a long time. See XMMP. |
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| _Chris_ | Today it's just waste. Like hardware.. |
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| _Chris_ | You can see it on software. See chromium. |
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| _Chris_ | They don't want to support a perfect product. More and more software is versioned just with a timestamp. |
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| _Chris_ | Chrome killed Firefox with this toxic. |
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| _Chris_ | And Clang will kill GCC with that. |
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| _Chris_ | Because this projects don't stand their man like TDE for example. They want to compete and ditch all their user base. |
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| _Chris_ | Just for beeing a perfect clone, you know? |
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| charltonh | Yeah,
ok I see what you mean. I don't think it's people
intentionally trying to be evil, but gentoo has been disappointing me a
bit here and there too |
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| charltonh | I mean, old software is still good, better in many cases than today's active versions. |
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| _Chris_ | No,
that "evil" is just to be meant to be corporate stuff. I don't have any
problem with GTK3. as long there is no one who is actively ripping out
the GTK2 use flags every third update, so that people have to open bugs
and it will be "reintroduced" several versions later. Question is, why
was it removed? |
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| _Chris_ | Xarchiver
is some example. Some new update - Ebuild was not changed much. But -
GTK2 support was ripped of, just because it's supports GTK3 now too.
After editing the ebuild, GTK2 version works fine too. |
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| _Chris_ | Spacefm too. |
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| _Chris_ | Audacious.. |
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| _Chris_ | I have a lot of examples.. |
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| _Chris_ | Just
about GTK2. It seems to me there are forces to make it hard for people
to preserve it, so it can be kicked out just faster out of portage. And
that seems to be some plan by someone. You can very notice that by
several changes. You have to read the statements in the bugreports and
so on.. |
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| _Chris_ | Or when they forced the 32 bit users to use "SSP" and "PIE". |
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| _Chris_ | That
slowdowns your machine a good bit. People opened some thread in the
forums to talk about how to block that, so it can be changed. Some
Gentoo devs showed clearly, that they don't like that. The attitude said
all. Why not offer some no-pie profile? People asked. Just no. Devs
changed it, users have to use it this way. But there are still
wonderfull people out in the community and dev team. So hope exist. |
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| charltonh | You're
right, some corporate boss is telling them to remove
it. Just like Microsoft is refusing any older versions of
Skype (which worked better) from connecting to their servers. |
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| charltonh | But the point being, they go out of their way to inhibit something. |
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| charltonh | So is GTK2 really great or something? |
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| _Chris_ | It just.. works. Is not bloated and.. See qt3. It works too. |
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| _Chris_ | GTK/QT3 with rendering over opengl and wayland support and it would make ten years once again. |
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| _Chris_ | GTK3 is bloated, they ripped icons and things which were normal since decades. |
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| _Chris_ | Every new GTK3 version broke themes. |
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| _Chris_ | Now, in 3.20 or so - They simply.. removed theme engine support completely! |
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| _Chris_ | No joke. Not in GTK4, simply with some regular GTK3 update. Why not. |
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| charltonh | I
think the problem is the new generation of developers, who are not
grounded in the computer science of back in the day when we had to care
about efficiency and no bloat |
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| charltonh | Their idea of solving a problem is always pulling in a module and adding another dependency |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh: Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | Back
in the days I often thought how it will end. Now I know. It's no
problem to depend on well matured things, like cdrecord or mplayer as
backend. But there are bad examples where you just need some function
and depend on a full blown lib. If you are lucky you depend on a lib
which don't give a shit to semantic versioning - Like chrome. So the API
changes and the maintaining work to adopt to the new version will make
the devs and |
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| _Chris_ | users both unhappy. Maintaince burden. :-) |
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| charltonh | Anyone know which package the lock/logout buttons applet is in? |
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| charltonh | nevermind found them |
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| SlavekB | my tip: tdeaddons? |
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| charltonh | Yes, had those installed but didn't see them in the applet menu, but then I found it, it just didn't have an icon |
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| charltonh | I'm lovin TDE, feels quite a bit lighter weight than the old KDE-3.5 |
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| charltonh | But more functionality. |
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| charltonh | I
guess what stopped me from doing this long ago is I remember trying but
no overlay, no instructions, and broken ebuilds. But really
the state of it isn't that bad. |
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| SlavekB | Well, applet is in tdebase: |
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| SlavekB | tdebase/kicker/applets/lockout |
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| charltonh | Ok. Yes
I emerged tdebase-meta but that didn't get everything. I
emerged a couple other metas but not everything. |
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| _Chris_ | Please, remove the channel block.. |
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| _Chris_ | Having a browser running feels today like running some virtuell machine. Something like a Java RE. It's sad. |
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| _Chris_ | Anyone
having Liquid Weather ++ for superkaramba? Latest version should be
v15. But it seems all links refer to the now seo parked website. So -
It's gone. |
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| _Chris_ | https://addons.videolan.org/p/1105306/ |
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| _Chris_ | Should be the file: "lwp-15.0.skz". |
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| _Chris_ | Nice, we got it. Using the waybackmachine. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://web.archive.org/web/20100825093020/http://liquidweather.net/lwp-15.0.skz |
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| charltonh | lovin my new Trinity desktop :-) |
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| charltonh | Since
I run gentoo I added the repository in repos.conf/ but for
some reason eix isn't picking up the new packages, and no overlay was
added/necessary. |
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| charltonh | Not really sure if I need/want an overlay, since I've managed to emerge and run without it just by adding the repo. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Hi.. about that supercaramba something.. how about to place it somewhere for download and link it here: https://www.trinity-look.org/ |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, that seems to be a good idea. Sadly I haven't tested it even until
now. It fails because of missing PyQT. The needed lib should be in TDE,
but I haven't build it until now. I will look at it next days. Most
likely the weather parsing will be broken after 10 years.. |
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| pitriss | weather
parsing could be easz when you search a bit around the web.. theres
plenty of services with easy to use api and even free to use |
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| _Chris_ | Right. I have taken a look at the parameters and maybe that should be doable. :-) |
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| Silbern_ | Does the weather widget not work for you guys? |
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| _Chris_ | Silbern_: You mean Liquid Weather ++? |
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| _Chris_ | https://addons.videolan.org/p/1105306/ |
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| Silbern_ | Oh sorry, never mind. I thought you guys were talking about KWeather. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
a superkaramba theme and seems to be the best one from back in times if
you want to see some weather data. It's compareable with the
cyanogenmod weather widget from android. Just on the desktop. |
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| _Chris_ | No, but kweather still works from what I know. It was fixed, right? :-) |
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| Silbern_ | Yeah,
I use kweather all the time. I sits in the dock and works just fine for
Honolulu at least. Never had any issues with it, which is why I was a
little confused haha. |
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| Silbern_ | I thought Super Karamba was responsible for those widgets, didn't realize it also covers widgets like Windows / Android. |
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| pitriss | its working for me but I would love to have more backends possible as this one is not so accurate for my destination |
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| pitriss | Maybe
could be doable some alternative system that will read output of a
script and show these data as weather.. This can be way for me to write
some other method of getting weather |
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| pitriss | and doesn't matter if it would read some file or just run script and read data from it |
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| owner__ | I
use Konqueror for browsing sites which display well on it such as
linuxquestions.org and debian.org and devuan.org and TDE's
web site. |
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| owner__ | If,
enough developers come along to fix some aspects of Konqueror, I would
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| owner__ | If,
I could learn C++ good enough, I would like to fix Bibletime-trinity if
nobody else fixes it first. I know its part of extragear,
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| sacarde | hi |
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| sacarde | is possible to setup konqueror to open dir with one click only? |
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| _Chris_ | Should that not be possible over the TDE control module "Mouse"? |
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| _Chris_ | Under the Devices tree. |
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| _Chris_ | "Open file and dirs with single click." |
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| sacarde | ok, great! |
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| sacarde | it works |
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| sacarde | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. :-) |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | How can I disable the "traaaaa" sound, when I want to close "kwrite", but I still have unsaved changes? |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola:
That should be possible with the tde control module: "system sounds" or
so. There you have to select "system messages" or "system
notifications". There is some entry about "warning window". |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that kwrite is using the global sound for warnings. So you have to deactivate the warnings for all applications. |
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| Rojola | _Chris_, thank you for responding! |
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| Rojola | I already tried to disable the system notifications, but failed so far |
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| Rojola | I will keep trying different things in these settings |
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| Rojola | thank you! |
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| _Chris_ | You are welcome. :-) |
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| Rojola | By the way: |
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| Rojola | I find it amazing, that trinity desktop is still alive |
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| Rojola | I love it to pieces! |
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| Rojola | thank you for the hard work everyone of you puts in it - be it coding, documenting, or supporting on IRC |
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| Rojola | _Chris_! |
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| Rojola | [x] A warning message is being shown |
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| Rojola | ^ unchecking this solves it |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Wonderfull. :-) |
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| charltonh | Hey Chris, could I please have your latest Amarok ebuild or know where to find it? |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh:
I have build Amarok per hand, because the cmake conversion is not fully
implemented. You have to use autotools. But it works to build without
any problems. |
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| charltonh | So just download the latest Amarok and build it by hand? |
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| charltonh | Or is there a special version/ebuild you had, which I remember you mentioned? |
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| _Chris_ | https://paste.debian.net/1066763/ |
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| charltonh | Ah, build instructions. Just copy-and-paste these into the command line? |
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| _Chris_ | I
have made you some example. You need to set the cflags from your
make.conf. Just create some "Trinity" dir in your home or where ever and
then do some "git clone https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/amarok/";
"cd amarok"; "git submodule init"; "git submodule update" and after
that, you can execute the script from the example. I don't have so much
time now. Hope that helps you. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Right. You can take that from this page too: |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications |
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| charltonh | Ok. Thank you! |
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| _Chris_ | This
way, you can build all extra applications from TDE. That makes sense
for all applications which are lacking a proper cmake version. |
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| _Chris_ | Kaffeine you can build this way too. But you have to care about the deps. xine-lib for example. |
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| charltonh | Ah ok. |
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| _Chris_ | And you need taglib for amarok. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh and you need ruby too. But It seems it is just needed for scripting. It is some hard dep sadly at the moment. |
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| _Chris_ | libmp4v2 too. |
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| charltonh | Ok |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: does tdecmshell provide any information other than what xdpyinfo generates? |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: does tdecmshell xserver provide any information other than what xdpyinfo generates? |
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| a-865 | when I try a second I just get the first focused :-( |
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| charltonh | Hey
Chris, well I finally downloaded and built amarok exactly per your
instructions, also making sure I had all the deps. Everything
built correctly and installed! |
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| _Chris_ | charltonh: Wonderfull. :-) |
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| charltonh | Only
when I try to run it I get a KError window pop up saying KlibLoader
could not load the plugin: libamarok_void-engine_plugin |
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| charltonh | Error message: Library files for "libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la" not found in paths |
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| charltonh | I was able to locate the file however in /usr/trinity/14/lib/trinity/ |
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| charltonh | I tried adding it to my $PATH and resourcing my .profile but didn't work. |
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| _Chris_ | You have xine-lib installed, by the way? |
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| _Chris_ | I am just too tired for today and going to sleep now. We will look then, okay? |
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| charltonh | yes,
have xine-lib and others I think. Ok np, just wondering if
you knew off the top of your head or run amarok inside some kind of
special shell |
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| charltonh | I'll keep trying to figure it out... |
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| pitriss | just an idea as I'm definitely not a gentooleman.. Did you built it with correct prefix/lib path? |
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| pitriss | btw hi guys.. |
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| pitriss | please stop me when I will start blabbing nonsense as I |
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| pitriss | *I'm brain dead after afternoon shift |
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| charltonh | I think so, used the paths Chris gave me in his script: |
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| charltonh | export LIBDIR=/usr/trinity/14/lib/ |
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| charltonh | export PATH=/usr/tqt3/bin/:/usr/trinity/14/bin:$PATH |
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| charltonh | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/trinity/14/lib:/usr/trinity/14/lib/trinity/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| charltonh | export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=:/usr/trinity/14/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/tqt3/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
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| charltonh | CFLAGS=""
CXXFLAGS="" ./configure --prefix=${PREFIX}
--sysconfdir=${SYSCONFDIR} --libdir=${LIBDIR}
--mandir=${MANDIR} --with-tqt-dir=${TQTDIR}
--with-tqt-includes=${TQTDIR}/include
--with-tqt-libraries=${TQTDIR}/lib --enable-closure
--without-included-sqlite --without-daap --disable-amazon
--disable-dependency-tracking --disable-debug --enable-new-ldflags
--enable-final |
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| charltonh | --enable-rpath $DEBUG_AUTOTOOL_OPT |
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| pitriss | ok
I'll try to guess further then.. maybe some link is missing? in debian
is commn tat some lib is linked as library.so.0.6 etc according to
version |
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| pitriss | Maybe easiest is just to try strace it |
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| pitriss | It could give you some clues what its trying to open/load |
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| charltonh | I built it in a zsh shell, gonna try again using bash |
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| pitriss | I
have no clue about zsh.. as I'm unix sysadmin and for me is pointless
to use anything that is not common on machines I'm using almost daily |
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| pitriss | charltonh: but really do strace instead of rebuilding |
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| pitriss | should be faster.. |
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| charltonh | yeah building it under bash didn't help either |
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| pitriss | try strace into file and then review that output.. You can get some clues |
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| charltonh | I see a bunch of this ad infinitum... |
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| charltonh | recvmsg(3,
{msg_namelen=0},
0) = -1
EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| charltonh | recvmsg(3,
{msg_namelen=0},
0) = -1
EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| charltonh | select(14, [3 4 5 12 13], [], [], {tv_sec=0, tv_usec=9587}) = 0 (Timeout) |
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| charltonh | I think I just need to somehow tell it where to find libamarok_void-engine_plugin.la |
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| pitriss | maybe its under ENOENT |
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| pitriss | its enough to stop stracing after that error pop out |
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| pitriss | If it says file not found it can be ENOENT if i remember it correctly |
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| pitriss | access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) //such lines |
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| pitriss | and i dont think you need statically linked libraries (.la) more common are dynamically linked libs (.so) |
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| pitriss | charltonh: ^ |
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| charltonh | hmmm... |
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| charltonh | I
tried running it as root and it said Amarok could not find any
sound-engine plugins. Amarok is now updating the TDE configuration
database. Please wait a couple of minutes, then restart Amarok. |
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| charltonh | If this does not help, it is likely that Amarok is installed under the wrong prefix, please fix your installation using: |
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| charltonh | $ cd /path/to/amarok/source-code/ |
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| charltonh | $ su -c "make uninstall" |
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| charltonh | $ ./configure --prefix=`tde-config --prefix` && su -c "make install" |
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| charltonh | $ tdebuildsycoca |
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| charltonh | $ amarok |
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| charltonh | More information can be found in the README file. For further assistance join us at #amarok on irc.freenode.net. |
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| pitriss | under root you could lack of (some) environment setup |
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| charltonh | Do I need to run tdebuildsycoca? It doesn't seem to work either as me or as root |
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| pitriss | i'm not sure what it does but it rebuilds some internal tde databases.. |
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| pitriss | I guess it wont help with a missing library.. |
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| charltonh | Woah, it works now! |
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| pitriss | great |
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| charltonh | I did a make uninstall, then: |
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| charltonh | ./configure --prefix=`tde-config --prefix` |
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| charltonh | then make install again |
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| pitriss | so as I guessed.. wrong paths |
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| pitriss | during compile time |
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| pitriss | Congratz;) |
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| pitriss | I'm glad it works for you.. As I was completely blind as non gentoo or amarok user |
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| pitriss | i'm quite satisfied with mpd as music player |
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| charltonh | mpd? what frontend? |
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| pitriss | qmpdclient + own bindings to multimedia keys |
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| pitriss | This setup serves me well for couple of years now. :) |
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| pitriss | No need to have bloated workspace with player.. qmpdclient sits in the systray and its barely used.. |
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| pitriss | And
now it shows its muscles even more as I moved main music collection to
my bananaPi M2U board and put mpd there with streaming and on desktop I
have stream in playlist.. qmpdclient is pointing to remote player..
awesome setup as I can have my music everywhere :D |
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| pitriss | + I have some php based frontend there for emergency reasons, mpdroid on my phone.. :D |
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| pitriss | very powerful player. |
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| charltonh | hmmm... Very interesting pitriss |
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| charltonh | I
used to use xmmp a long time ago, and have been looking for something
comparable/better with a gui frontend and also client-server |
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| charltonh | I want tabbed playlists (multiple playlists that I can tab between) |
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| charltonh | Well
this amarok works, but for some reason freezes my kicker panel while
running. I have to exit in order to be able to navigate
again. |
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| charltonh | hmmmm... now it's working |
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| charltonh | Not seeing my .opus files |
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| charltonh | Hmmm... no multi-tabbed playlists, no .opus file support, could be a deal-breaker for me. |
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| charltonh | I wonder if amarok-2.8 would be better. Also gonna try qmpdclient |
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| pitriss | charltonh: check your configure options |
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| pitriss | you did plain compile so some options might need to be enabled by ./configure script |
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| charltonh | pitriss: I seriously doubt .opus support would be a configure script option |
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| charltonh | I only have .mp3 and .ogg in my library for the longest time, but .opus is the next .ogg so I've decided to include that too. |
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| charltonh | If amarok-1.4 doesn't support that, then it's a deal-breaker |
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| charltonh | looking at mpd clients though. |
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| pitriss | why not? Opus seems as standard dynamically linked library so theres no reason to have it controlled by ./configure |
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| pitriss | *not controlleds |
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| charltonh | hmmm... decoding is done with xine-lib right? |
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| pitriss | I never used it so I can't tell.. I tried it, seen that it will not fit for me and uninstalled.. |
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| pitriss | It was years ago.. |
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| charltonh | yeah
the not having tabbed playlists I remember was why amarok-1.4 fell out
of favor with me. But not having .opus support is a
deal-breaker. |
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| charltonh | I checked amarok-2.8 and it does support .opus |
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| charltonh | There's a gentoo ebuild in overlays. |
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| charltonh | Looks weird though, I think I'll try mpd first. |
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| charltonh | Being able to use the kicker widget to stop music is also very nice. |
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| charltonh | It supports amarok, noatun, juk, and mpd |
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| charltonh | I have yet to find the perfect music/mp3 player. :-/ |
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| pitriss | i would try to install that amarok-trinity here but.. It drags metric f**kton of dependencies |
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| charltonh | amarok-trinity? Is that different from what I installed from github? |
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| charltonh | all the dependencies I already had. xine-lib being the only questionable one but I already had it anyway |
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| pitriss | idk.. its part of debian repository.. |
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| pitriss | Ok Installed it, it doesn't seems as it can play opus file (needed to download some test sample) |
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| pitriss | ..uninstalled it.. Not my kind of player.. |
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| charltonh | Has
anyone ever not be able to lock their screen? says "Will not
lock the session, as unlocking would be impossible: No
appropriate greeter plugin configured." |
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| charltonh | It
was working fine earlier. Then it broke. Then I
restarted TDE and it worked again. Now I'm unable to lock my
screen again. |
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| charltonh | Anyone else ever see this? |
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| pitriss | charltonh: I don't use this feature.. (no reason to use it at home) but when I accidentally clisk it.. it works everytime. |
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| charltonh | hmmm |
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| vita_cell | guys is here some docs or info for making themes for Trinity? |
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| pitriss | define "theme" |
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| vita_cell | pitriss I mean, themes for Trinity, window's content (sliders,buttons...), and windows manager decoration |
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| vita_cell | I used to GTK2, but never touched Qt or KDE |
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| pitriss | These
things needs to be coded and compiled.. Its not only graphics work..
Some things can be found on trinity-look site. they should be available
as sources so I suppose they can be also used as examples. |
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| SlavekB | vita_cell, some examples you can found in TDE git repositories - see tde-style-*: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/?ofs=100 |
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| vita_cell | thanks |
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| omegabr | hi |
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| omegabr | uh anyone can help me |
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| charltonh | Hi omegabr |
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| charltonh | Just leave your question and we can try |
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| vita_cell | is here a way to get whole thrinity sources at once? |
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| SlavekB | From git or as tarball? |
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| SlavekB | For GIT see quick instructions: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde |
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| SlavekB | Tarballs are available only for releases - see link All core and non-core modules listed above |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/releases/R14.0.5/downloads.html |
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| vita_cell | I just want to download the whole bundle source of 14.0.5 (or latest release version) |
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| SlavekB | Of course, GIT is better if you want to contribute :) |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB where are themes,window decoration are stored? |
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| SlavekB | Some are in tdelibs/tdestyles, tdebase/twin/clients, next in tdeartwork and applications/tde-style*, applications/twin-style* |
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| vita_cell | ok thanks |
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| SlavekB | I'll be offline for a few hours now... |
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| vita_cell | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/UbuntuInstall |
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| vita_cell | "Official TDE packages are available for the following versions of Debian. " |
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| vita_cell | Debian? |
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| pitriss | ubuntu is based on debian.. If packages are created correctly they would work in both distros |
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| pitriss | charltonh:
hey.. I recalled one music player you might be interested in..
deadbeef.. its customizable, have many plugins (opsu included).. http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/about.htm l |
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| pitriss | Hope it was you.. lol my aging memory sucks most of times |
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| charltonh | Hey pitriss, thx |
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| charltonh | looking for tabbed playlists (like clementine), but will work with the mediacontrol panel applet |
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| charltonh | Or maybe there's an applet out there like mediacontrol that'll work with clementine |
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| charltonh | Or amarok 1.4 would be great, except it doesn't support .opus files |
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| charltonh | .opus is the newest .ogg so really it needs to support that. |
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| charltonh | also amarok doesn't have tabbed playlist, only one playlist |
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| pitriss | charltonh:
deadbeef have tabbed playlists.. its in fact copy of foobar2000 for
windows and panel control. i bet there will be something like systray
icon with control as plugin |
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| charltonh | oh really? the screenshots I saw didn't show this but I'll have to check it out then |
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| charltonh | foobar2000 is cool |
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| charltonh | pitriss: deadbeef
is pretty cool! I kinda wish there was a way to open up a
directory tree on the left like amarok/clementine has, seems like it has
it but can't figure it out... |
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| charltonh | Also, do you know where I might find an applet for the TDE panel for it? |
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| pitriss | charltonh:
Idk about applet for TDE.. but search through plugin as confrol via
systray or something could be enough.. Or maybe some MPRIS interface
plugin and write some simple script that will translate these calls..
can't be too dificult as mpd protocol is easily readable.. |
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| pitriss | https://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/
//documentation for the mpris. My idea is like use media applet set up
for mpd control, then let some script listen on localhost:6600 and let
it translate MPD protocol into MPRIS one. I wouldn't be surprised if
there would be something like that already |
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| pitriss | btw
I don't use any other music player than mpd. for casual files i have
there mpv but I use that thing for playing music files rarely. That
deadbeef player came into my mind as my friend told me about ir few
months back. But I don't have any reason to change mpd for something
else |
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| charltonh | Yeah
there's a systray icon but not button controllers. mpd wants
to constantly index my library. I'm just surprised that
after 15-20 years there's still no great solution to what *I*
want. Believe my I've contemplated many times writing my own. |
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| charltonh | But
actually this deadbeef solution is decent. Gonna keep it
around. Although I'm still using Clementine bloatware for
now, also with no applet |
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| pitriss | charltonh:
indexed music collection is a bonus.. it forced me to tag my library
properly.. it took a while but now I'm happy to have it cleaned |
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| pitriss | and
I used kid3 to organize my library.. it can download tags from the
internet, rename files/directories, apply formatting to tags and
filenames..:) |
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| Naglfar | hello |
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| Naglfar | hello AngelaF |
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| Naglfar | I'm trying to read this page http://trinitydesktop.org/crfe/ |
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| Naglfar | but it shows somethings like: |
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| Naglfar | "; return $bargraph; } ?> |
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| Naglfar | if ($row[4] != "") { echo " "; |
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| Naglfar | I guess probably something happend to php code |
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| pitriss | Naglfar: Yes this site isnt processed by PHP.. which apparently shouldnt happen |
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| Naglfar | also coulb de broken php, seems to be no start <?php |
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| Naglfar | I just noticed this at the footer |
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| Naglfar | kb9vqf @ pearsoncomputing.net |
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| Naglfar | may be the person to contact |
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| kb9vqf | Naglfar: Fixed. |
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| kb9vqf | thanks for reporting |
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| Naglfar | awesome |
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| Naglfar | it looks good now |
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| Naglfar | anyway, I'm sorry to see that Pledged didn't fill Bounty yet |
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| Naglfar | hope it fill soon |
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| vita_cell | can not install trinity desktop |
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| vita_cell | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall |
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| vita_cell | repositories for TDE R14.0.5 fails in Devuan. Some month ago I could to install it |
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| Naglfar | hello vita_cell |
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| vita_cell | Hi! |
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| vita_cell | is something wrong with repos? |
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| Naglfar | it depends if the repos you using is compiled for the same Devuan relase that you are using |
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| Naglfar | vita_cell, is there some error message? |
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| vita_cell | full list of them |
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| vita_cell | Naglfar,
just changed "ascii" to "stretch", now it is working. I can not
understand why distro devs don't include TDE in official repositories |
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| Naglfar | good to know vita_cell. |
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| vita_cell | wait |
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| vita_cell | it fails again |
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| vita_cell | OMG |
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| vita_cell | Naglfar |
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| vita_cell | https://imgur.com/a/awDHx2s |
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| SlavekB | It fail on mirrors.dotsrc.org, not on TDE sources. |
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| vita_cell | ok, retried, apt-get install, and now is working |
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| vita_cell | finally gave up with trinity, will install GNOME3.30, sorry |
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| vita_cell | tryed
it on Macbook, touchpad is juttery, isntalled on SSD and it takes to
boot 1-2 minutes, very annoying, it does always "configuring network",
it doesn't detect my wifi. Can't open file manager through terminal with
sudo, it says "konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0". Just very
basic tasks fails |
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| pitriss | vita_cell: Repos are workin g fine in devuan |
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| vita_cell | yeah, finally did it. But info is really confusing |
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| pitriss | and BTW tde will most likely have nothing to do with slow boot and not detecting wifi ets.. |
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| pitriss | *etc |
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| pitriss | These things are depend on OS and its configuration.. Trinity is only graphic interface. |
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| pitriss | And sorry but trying to run graphic applications through sudo should never be used |
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| pitriss | and yes, root ernvironmental variables aren't set while you are logged in as user.. o it have no clue about your X server |
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| pitriss | vita_cell:
in general.. no single thing you mentioned is fail of Trinity..
Debian/Devuan is distro where additional configuration from
administrator is expected, so yes, you will need to make your Wifi card
work, you will most likely need to tune your xorg setting so your
touchpad will work smoothly.. If you are not capable to do so, I will
recommend ubuntu for you. :) |
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| vita_cell | thanks, yeah time to deleta that Devuan, I don't want to waste more time to fix everything |
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| vita_cell | I could not to find xorg.conf.d folder |
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| vita_cell | so I will use some distro that works, thanks |
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| pitriss | yw |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
Devuan people are very friendly from what I know. It is a very good
distribution. Sad you have such a bad experience. Some months ago there
were devuan devs in this channel very motivated to make TDE working very
perfect in Devuan. They also wanted to port some Devuan theme for it. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_
I have tryed Devuan 3 times, on differente computers, and every
isntallation did not last more than 2 days, installing some programs
like Android-Studio, Unity3d, or something else, it is a painful. Just
wasting time with no results. Also when I want to compile something,
some pagages are too outdated, and you will struggle with dependencies
hell |
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| vita_cell | for
write text and just browser web pages? maybe it is a good distro. But
still Devuan reminds me Slackware, where everything is a mess. ArchLinux
is much more easy to install and much faster to configure |
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| vita_cell | whis
is not like Windows 7, when that OS is really old but still you can
install every updated program without a problem, and use programs from
1999 |
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| _Chris_ | Right
about that point about Windows 7. But with Windows 10 this will fade
away. Other story anyway. For compiling and developing maybe you can try
Gentoo. But Java support is more bad than anything. Some years ago I
tried Android-Studio and/or Eclipse and it was outdated too. Maybe
Devuan still needs a bit of time. If you are okay with systemd, than
Devuan will maybe not give you some benefits at all. |
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| _Chris_ | And
about Linux: You could say the same about Linux a decade ago. There was
XMMS too and old GTK1 applications were running too. But today, with a
new C++ every two years and all that kind of breaking changes.. Seems
software will follow the hardware design. Build for the trash. Not every
software, but most of them. It's called continuous integration. See
chrome, see firefox. But, if you are happy with Debian, why not? :-) |
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| pitriss | vita_cell:
Your main problem is: You should stop comparing windows and any linux
distro at first.. They are just too different to
compare.. Installing anything on devuan is easy task when you
know what you are doing. As I stated before, its targetted to more
experienced administrators as many things aren't precooked.. |
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| pitriss | I
had my debian installed fully working in 3 hours, upgrading to latest
stable devuan was task for 4 hours as I needed to figure out why NVIDIA
proprietal drivers are not working in my setup.. After downgrading
kernel to stable one, problem just disappeared.. Definitely not a
Devuans ppl fault as drivers aren't opensource.. |
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| pitriss | You
just need to know what you are doing, where to look etc. Your network
issue will be most likely missing firmware for your wifi card as
proprietal firmware is NOT shipped in default installation.. You need to
enable contrib/non-free part of the repos, install aditional packages..
in some rarer cases even extract firmware from windows drivers.. Not
fault of devuan/debian. Its part their philosophy/part not OSS driver
case.. |
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| pitriss | And
for me, its definitelly worth the time spent in it.. You get
experioences at first, with bonus in form of "install & forget" OS |
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| pitriss | And
side note to Windows and backward compatibility: As sysadmin i hate
windows backward compatibility. It is ruining stability of that system.
Its pain on Workstations, true Hell on servers.. |
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| vita_cell | guys how hard is to install TDE in Slackware 14.2? |
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| Naglfar | hello vita_cell |
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| Naglfar | vita_cell, just found these installation instructions, but seems like no package binaries has been compiled for 14.2 yet |
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| Naglfar | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Slackware_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions |
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| Naglfar | also found TDE 14.0.5 for Slackware 14.1/14.2 at https://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware/ |
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| Naglfar | https://sourceforge.net/projects/tde-slackware/files/TDE-14.0.5_SL14.1/pkg.tar.xz |
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| Naglfar | or you can get an already installed tde on slackware based: |
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| Naglfar | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb/cdimages/slax/ |
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| Naglfar | it seems to be the most complete/updated: http://www.inpito.org/trinity.php |
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| vita_cell | Naglfar thanks |
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| Naglfar | you welcome vita_cell |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2635 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Build issue: FTBFS in libtdeldap when using mit-krb5 library |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2998 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, kdesktop uses 100% cpu and becomes unresponsive with multiple logins |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 2999 filed by 1200deluxe@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3000 filed by mosaic.netcaster@aol.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3001 filed by matrixx-trinity@underald.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3001 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KWrite/Kate: autosave and restore |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3002 filed by matrixx-trinity@underald.net. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3003 filed by matrixx-trinity@underald.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2607
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3004 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3005 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3006 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3006 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Dolphin-trinity doesn't follow XDG standard on file open request |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3007 filed by q4os@q4os.org. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3007 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Manual resize of the system panel doesn’t save |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3008 filed by rossi.f@inwind.it. |
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| lucbertz | Hello!
I really like TDE, on particular its implementation in Q4OS and in
Slax. Thank you to keep the very good KDE 3.5 hashes up to date. |
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| lucbertz | Can I ask you, if it's not so hard, to update TDE versions of Slax on every Slax point release? |
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| lucbertz | Otherwise,
if there is to much effort, can you publish as standalone files in the
same folder of ISO files only the 32 bit and 64 bit Slax Bundles
02-desktop-trinity.sb ? |
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| lucbertz | There is quite interest in this work, as you can see here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/slax-users/ljh9Tj7roRw/AA3KHGVHGAAJ |
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| breetai | Hi
all, I want to load Trinity on top of Ubuntu 18.04, I like as light as
possible with the fewest issues in switching, Is there a preferred
Ubuntu derivitive like Lubuntu? |
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| SlavekB | Hi breetai |
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| SlavekB | You can use MinimalCD (netboot): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD |
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| SlavekB | This should allow you to install a really minimal system. |
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| breetai | SlavekB:
Thanks. I have never used the Minimal CD, does it present me with a
choice of things to install? Is there anything I can skip? |
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| breetai | SlavekB: IE install xorg, skip Gnome 3? |
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| SlavekB | I assume that the text installer gives you options similar to the Debian installer. |
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| SlavekB | From the page: |
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| SlavekB | On
the software selection screen, you can select from a number of
collections of software such as different desktop environments (kde,
xfce, etc), a multitude of different servers, multimedia creation tools,
media center (mythbuntu), etc. You can also select "Manual package
selection" which will take you to aptitude. You may also select nothing
and just continue to finish the installation. If you selected nothing,
upon reboot you wil |
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| SlavekB | ly customize your new system. |
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| pitriss | breetai:
easiest way how to have minimal system is to install really bare system
and from command line install xorg, alsa and then add trinity repo and
install trinity.. thats how I install systems.. |
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| breetai | pitriss:
so MinimalCD, minimum booting environment + xorg + alsa, add trinity
repos and then install trinity. Installing trinity will take care of
things like CUPS? |
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| SlavekB | By the way, Breetai, you can use Ubuntu 18.04 livecd with Trinity. |
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| pitriss | not sure about cups.. I consider these things highly optional so I install them when needed..:) |
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| breetai | SlavekB, there is a buntu livecd of Trinity? |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb/cdimages/ubuntu/bionic/ |
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| breetai | pitriss:
I have been bitten in the butt by Arch a few times where things did not
work and it ended up being some small lib, was needed and the meta
install for the DE did not install it. |
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| pitriss | breetai: never met such things on stable debian..:) |
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| pitriss | now I switched to devuan because I don't like systemd.. but experience with it is the same.. No issue.. :) |
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| breetai | pitriss: my 2 years with arch was interesting. I hold my nose on systemd, my best mate wont run anything with systemd. |
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| breetai | pitriss: every time I try to avoid it I eventually pull some packege that pulls it in without me realizing it. |
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| breetai | SlavekB: That is exactly what I was looking for, thanks |
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| breetai | pitriss:
all my servers run debian, and my wife likes Kubuntu with KDE 4.x.
Since that is going away and she despises KDE 5 but was fond of KDE 3.5 I
am migrating her over to that now. |
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| breetai | pitriss: I would like Trinity for the most part, but I keep going back to Fluxbox. |
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| pitriss | yeah
I was using debian too.. but I prefer no systemd so I migrated to
devuan as I encountered many f**kups from systemd at work.. On top of
it, I don't like their philosophy.. I like unix approcah.. do one thing
but do it well:) |
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| breetai | pitriss:
150% agree with you. Do one thing and do it well. Why does a system
startup manager have to do sound, networking, powermanagement, and so
on. Hey why use text, lets keep all the logs in an encrypted format.
Sometimes I am not sure if emacs runs on top of systemd or if systemd
runs on top of emacs. |
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| cathy_ | Hi all, installed Trinity with Ubuntu from DVD. Desktop has audio, firefox does not, what is the fix? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | high! could it be that konsole in 14.0.5 sends two escape characters when pressing alt+crsr or alt+Fx? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | in non-canonical mode i get two of them, but not for ALT+x, for instance... not even for ALT+^X |
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| OxFEEDBACC | that
only happens in konsole... with xterm, everything's fine... with sakura
(libvte based) i also get just the expected escape sequences... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | oh, god, it even sends garbage when i press ^ü |
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| OxFEEDBACC | the ^ü issue is the same in kde 4.3.5, the escape sequences aren't, however... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ^ü sends 0xfc, btw, while it's utf8 encoding is 0xc3 0xbc |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k, when ctrl toggles bit 6, that would be the second byte then... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ya...
setting VMIN=0 and VTIME=0 in termios makes at least ALT+<letter>
behave like xterm, otherwise there is a delay and i need two reads, one
for the escape, one for the letter... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and
with these settings also ALT+<crsr> is read in one go, and still
delivers two escapes... implying that my read is not flawed... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | that's direct system call, btw, not running through libc... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | happy fixing ;-D |
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| OxFEEDBACC | errr... no idea why i said 4.3.5... meant 3.5.10, of course... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k.
k. k... i know you're desperately waiting for some organ doners, but is
little acknowledgement or other minimal feedbacc really too much to
ask? |
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| Naglfar | hi OxFEEDBACC |
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| Naglfar | effort is valuable and nobody knows if worth, but we must go on |
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| OxFEEDBACC | you mean like the defunct regex-editor or the fu document list ordering in kate? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i'm sure that's worth it, and is certainly a "feedback" any user waited for for ages... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | heh...
somewhat out of context, but taken metaphorically: "so before you go,
contribute more --- to the destruction of this world you adore" ;-) |
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| Naglfar | :) |
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| Naglfar | I'm not mean any editor exactly |
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| OxFEEDBACC | bounty hunting? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i also didn't mean any component specifically actually... |
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| Naglfar | OxFEEDBACC, about tde, I really apreciate the development of thie proyect |
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| Naglfar | this* |
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| OxFEEDBACC | but
increasing complexity in places, where they could brea kfunctionality
in (the same or other) places, is counter-productive... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ya, where can i find development? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | they go bounty hunting and break things... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | there are bugs still inherited from KDE, and others introduced... where do i find anything new? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | apart from icon themes or the like... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | the new thing i found was mentioned regexp editor... which doesn't work... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | the old one worked, but is no longer available... |
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| Naglfar | what happend to the old regexp? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | no idea... it's just not there... because the new one is... |
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| Naglfar | I don't know exactly, maybe the new one is old one based? |
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| Naglfar | could be good to have both releases avaialble |
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| Naglfar | so you can see how it's done |
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| OxFEEDBACC | looks completely different, but anyway, it _does not take any_ input... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | an option in kates setup would be great, yes... |
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| Naglfar | about look, could be interface has been redesigned |
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| Naglfar | but if doesn't take any imput... could be the code doesn't work |
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| pitriss | OxFEEDBACC: Naglfar: It works on my debian.. Even when I didn't got why I should use that thing |
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| pitriss | When I write regexp by hand, it is smaller, more accurate and its done in less time than by using of regexpeditor |
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| a-865 | apt dist-upgrade fails on tdm-trinity; buster; mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb; but leaves no clues why :( |
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| a-865 | 14.0.6 |
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| a-865 | exit status 1 on post installation script |
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| SlavekB | Strange.
I installed tdm-trinity on buster two hours ago and I didn't see any
problem. Now I tried to force the reinstallation of the package and
again no problem. |
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| a-865 | It's working normally, just apt won't finish normally. |
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| a-865 | how
can I get /etc/X11/wmsession.d/45TDE in Mageia to run my xrandr script
as it starts? other distros call it from various places, but I can't
find a place that works in Mageia :~( |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I nearly tested 100 packages of TDE (I am still working on that) for
the need of -fexceptions and/or -frtti, or better, if they are able to
build with -fno-exceptions and -fno-rtti per hand and only a hand of
them need exceptions and rtti support. I came to that experiment,
because of my try to get OPIE working on my very old PDA, for which I
needed a bit tuning (creating more slim binary). Maybe this informations
could be |
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| _Chris_ | of
use, or could be preserved anywhere in the Wiki? So no one has to test
for every package of them once again? It seems there can be a
performance gain (noteable most on x86, but also on 64bit arch) if
building this way. The Google guide for C++ recommends that. In fact,
the whole ChromeOS is build without exception support, at least for
packages needing it. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
if you want to make a list that will be easy to update as progress
progresses, a good place could be an issue in TGW - something like this https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/9 |
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| vita_cell2 | guys hi, what is new coming in R14.0.6 release!? |
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| vita_cell2 | Arch
Michael's repository, his TDE doesn't work, at install tde-core, here
is missing deps. After install it doesn't work. His packages of TDE are
broken |
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| SlavekB | vita_cell2, you can see draft of release notes: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Release_Notes_For_R14.0.6 |
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| vita_cell2 | thanks |
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| vita_cell2 | TDE(trinity) should be easy to install |
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| vita_cell2 | I tested some distros with TDE and those work fine, I could to compile TDE in Slackware and then install. But Arch... |
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| SlavekB | I am glad that there is at least some effort on Arch. Previously, users only asked, but no one wanted to spend their time. |
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| vita_cell2 | still I prefer no PKGBUILD of TDE that one PKGBUILD or bianry repository that doesn't work |
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| charltonh | There's
a MAJOR bug in the default desktop screensaver, that SHOWS THE ENTIRE
DESKTOP when a window should pop up sometime while I'm away. |
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| charltonh | I can't find an option for it, but it's really a doozie |
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| charltonh | Gonna use legacy lock windows until it is fixed (if ever) |
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| pitriss | charltonh:
can't judge as I'm not using screensaver but how about using blank
screen.. and btw i found something in next release changelog about this
cae IIRC |
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| SlavekB | charltonh: In screensaver settings is also option Hide active windows from saver. |
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| charltonh | pitriss: good to know. |
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| charltonh | SlavekB:
yeah even with the Hide active windows from saver, still causes desktop
to appear if a window pops up while the screen is locked. |
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| vita_cell | guys I installed 14.0.5, in Slackware, but I don't have tdm, login display manager |
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| a-865 | Is
14.0.6 announcement due in coming hours? I just tried to add kmix to
14.0.5 and zypper wants to update many packages to 14.0.6 |
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| vita_cell | guys where I can download KPackage (some KDE3.5 GUI front-end for pkgtool for Slackware)? |
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| SlavekB | Although
rpm packages are already published, deb packages for official
repository are still being built. There are a few more days to the
official announcement. |
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| SlavekB | KPackage is part of tdeadmin. |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB so is it included into tdeadmin? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeadmin/src/branch/master/kpackage |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thx! |
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| vita_cell | guys can someone explain to me, how to install or to there should I copy themes,qtcurve,etc.. |
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| vita_cell | to where should I copy Kstyle *.themerc files? |
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| vita_cell | ok to tdestyle |
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| Hans-- | Hi, i have an issue with TDM |
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| Hans-- | it does not start |
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| Hans-- | earlier i did the default debian desktop, and then trinity |
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| Hans-- | that worked |
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| Hans-- | but now txde + trinity |
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| Hans-- | TDM is visible in the sysv editor, but the lightdm is still there |
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| Hans-- | now i tried to do |
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| Hans-- | ./lightdm stop |
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| Hans-- | ./tdm start |
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| Hans-- | to try if it works before replacing them in the sysv editor |
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| Hans-- | but i get an error |
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| Hans-- | Failed to start Trinity Display Manager |
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| Hans-- | tdm.service: Unit entered failed state |
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| Hans-- | tdm.service: Failed with result "exit-code' |
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| Hans-- | , |
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| Hans-- | found by systemctl status tdm.service |
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| Hans-- | found by systemctl status tdm.serviceq:q |
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| Hans-- | it does not startps -e |
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| vita_cell | hi, it is just great idea when something crashes, it can send crash report automatically to devs |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
Hi, please do you think it will be somehow possible to create kweather
that would react to script input instead of that web page with METAR
info.. Airports are susualy far from cities so not so relevant.. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: for example https://www.apixu.com/
seems as better backend, its easy to parse by script.. I even thought
to spoof that website with hosts file and emulating data structure there
pointing to script that generates fake METAR info |
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| SlavekB | The
question is whether to make a script call => someone will create
some sample scripts? or whether to add an interface for some of the APIs
that are available. |
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| pitriss | There are many services providing api.. So script will be cool at least for me.. and more universal. |
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| pitriss | It
doesn't need necessarily replace already existing kweather.. It can be
called differently.. eg kweather-stub or kweather-scriptable or
something like that |
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| SlavekB | Here
are two things - one finding the current status, but also finding the
available stations, identifying and dividing to categories (for example,
by continent). Remember that kweather allows to set up tracking of
multiple stations :) |
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| pitriss | If
it will be scriptable then I'm ok with any implementation.. I can feed
file/named pipe from script, it can take script output directly by
running it in some intervals.. |
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| pitriss | yeah but only airports.. which is unfortunate here in czech :) |
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| pitriss | I think we don't need to sort out this thing as it will depend on script so what script you run, that data it will display |
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| pitriss | when
you provide support for apis, you will need to maintain them.. When it
will be some skeleton with specified format it expects, then its up to
(power)users/admins to make it work.. there can be of course some sample
script to start with, but not some advanced one. With all detections
you mentioned.:) |
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| pitriss | My
script I started today morning before leaving for work is ruby script,
but I can try to put together bash one.. I'm just started
with it.. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, in any case, it sounds like a good idea. You could create an issue in TGW... :) |
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| pitriss | Ok I'll put something together on gitea.. As I was studying kweathers code there in my work :D |
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| pitriss | btw do I need to register again on gitea? |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, your account has not been activated after registration. And inactive accounts were cleared. |
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| pitriss | ah ok np..:) |
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| pitriss | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdetoys/issues/4 Hope its ok. |
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| SlavekB | great, I added a wishlist tag :) |
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| pitriss | thank you |
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| pitriss | Sometimes I wish to know C++ but my head have only limited capacity :D And its getting worse :D |
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| SlavekB | Bringing ideas is also important :) |
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| SlavekB | pitriss, it's nice to see how your idea began to evolve. |
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| pitriss | Yeah.. i put together some answer too..:) |
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| pitriss | I'm a bit tired so I might be not so clear on first try |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: thank you for the update.. One objection though: That r14-xdg-update SHOULD run in graphic window after log in.. |
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| pitriss | Not in background.. I was like WTF that crap does? And killed it as it looked like stuck |
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| pitriss | then checked whole thingy and started it manually |
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| SlavekB | You are right that KDialog could be used here to display state of r14-xdg-update. |
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| pitriss | It took while long enough for me to start investigate whats wrong.. Or maybe at least release notes or something |
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| pitriss | In debian is usual to display some critical things to read before upgrading |
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| pitriss | That might be also great option.. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
there are more implementations of "kdialog" things.. if you will want
to display it.. only any terminal could be used or zenity and others
tools.. |
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| SlavekB | Because
r14_xdg_update is usually run during the logon process, we can assume
that the X session is active == the kdialog for the notifications will
work fine. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. I'm just not sure if its available in the minimal setup |
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| SlavekB | tdebase-trinity-bin: /opt/trinity/bin/kdialog |
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| pitriss | ah ok..:) |
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| _Chris_ | I recall that I already got some xmessage from r14_xdg_update while login. |
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| _Chris_ | Because there was some bad entry in the menu. |
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| _Chris_ | It
was not kdialog, it was some form of xmessage-window with the error in
it. You can select skip or exit or something like that. Maybe that is
only used for some problems while updating. |
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| _Chris_ | It would be nice if this xmessages could be converted then to kdialog. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise, if something is not working after TDM (TDE related) I don't know if xmessage would be a better fallback than kdialog. |
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| pitriss | for me it was visible only in .xsession-errors log |
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| pitriss | btw hi _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | Hello pitriss. :-) |
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| SlavekB | xmessage
is used in case of serious problems. But it is true that calling
kdialog too soon could cause unwanted effects in the configuration files
that are being updated. |
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| _Chris_ | Had no real time to read the IRC last weeks, but that here came to my eye. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, this is a good reminder, thank you! |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Would it be a lot of maintaince burden, if first kdialog could be tried
and the xmessage route could serve as some sort of fallback? |
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| SlavekB | No no, at this stage it is not desirable to run anything that could trigger other TDE services. |
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| _Chris_ | I
understand. Sounds logical. So at least the update progress should be
more verbose documented. Best would be some dort of kdialog with
progress bar or something like that, but that would trigger the problem
you describe again. I just came to the update progress too because of
messages in the console/syslog-ng or something like that and later
because of the xmessages. Otherwise I had no clue what is working here.
It's working now |
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| _Chris_ | since a longer time. I just removed the bad menu entries and that helped. |
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| pitriss | as
i said earlier.. It should be enough to warn about this in some
preinstall notice. Debian uses that in some cases when eg some conf
syntax is changing |
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| SlavekB | The best thing would be osd_cat, but there is little chance that users will have it installed. |
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| _Chris_ | Me at least not. |
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| _Chris_ | But could be tried to find osd_cat, otherwise xmessage and so on. Just some idea. |
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| SlavekB | Note
that r14_xdg_update is specific to each user's profile. For some, it
will not do anything at all, for others it will have a lot of work to
do. |
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| pitriss | I'm pretty sure I got hit hard with it because i have quite old profile.. most of files were copied from old .kde3 directory |
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| Chris_ | Funny.
Just verified that the latest mplayer master branch still preserves the
arts plugin. And with --enable-arts, this is build against the
trinity-arts and works like a charm. Confirmed by artscontrol.
Wonderfull. |
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| Chris_ | Funny.
Latest master branch of SDL2 still supports arts too. And it's still
more or less maintained. Latest commit in 2016 ( source: http://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/rev/c2730130a448 ). I am positive impressed. Otherwise SDL2 removed cdrom support. Funny. |
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| ravencrow | hi
there folks i was wondering if someone could help me im using devuan
built it from the ground up with trinity desktop and when i went to
change gtk theme i rebooted tried to log on with my user name and
password and logged me back out again to login screen |
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| ravencrow | tried again to reboot a few times same thing happened again |
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| SlavekB | ravencrow, if you have installed package kgtk-qt3-trinity, please, purge it. |
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| ravencrow | oh ok ill give that a shot cheers |
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| ravencrow | SlavekB, thanks mate worked a treat |
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| ravencrow | im glued to trinity de cant go without it addicted to it |
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| ravencrow | lol |
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| ravencrow | SlavekB, thanks for your help very much appreciated |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| pitriss | ravencrow: for setting some sane color themes you can try lxappearance (gtk2,gtk3) and qt5ct |
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| pitriss | I got quite sane desktop with it.. devuan ascii here:) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
Are you aware of some list of GTK icon symlinks? As CrystalSVG is using
a lot of "fallback" icons.. the same with crystal cursors..:( I can try
to make some script to generate them, i didn't found any list with
descriptions unfortunatelly. |
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| pitriss | And studying sources of GTK3 is quite outside my free time limits |
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| pitriss | I mean all of that happen in GTK based apps.. Mix of oxygen and crystalsvg is not aesthetical.. but functional |
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| SlavekB | I don't have an overview in GTK icons. |
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| pitriss | No problem.. I'll try some solution.. maybe by listing oxygen theme.. and then list symlinks to every icon |
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| ravencrow | pitriss, thanks for your suggestions mate really appreciated |
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| ravencrow | sorry for late reply lol |
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| ravencrow | was wondering what directory does trinity keep the window decorations in? |
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| omegabr | hi |
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| pitriss | ravencrow: Hehe np.. You're welcome. win deco are compiled things.. its not like pictures and some css defined.. |
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| ravencrow | pitriss, thanks for the info mate very much appreciate it |
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| ravencrow | evening all |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I use TDEPowersave for dimming my backlight at my laptop. After recent
update/compile, it can't do that anymore. In dmesg I get error messages
about dbus and org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol and dbus. Seems that
"SetBrightness" signal is rejected. Which components could be the fault
of that? |
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| SlavekB | Is /opt/trinity/bin/tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol running? |
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| _Chris_ | If I try to start it I get: ".. is not allowed to own the service.. due to security policies in the configuration file". |
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| _Chris_ | If I recall right, I have removed polkit/consolekit support. But I don't want to bringt it back. |
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| _Chris_ | I also lack the suspend-options when logging out from kicker. It seems to be the same reason. After update they were gone. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, you use R14.0.x or R14.1.0~pre? |
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| _Chris_ | R14.1.0~pre. Latest master always. |
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| SlavekB | You can try to add patches from: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/pulls/2 |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/16 |
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| _Chris_ | Seems to be related to that. |
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| pitriss | lol these Gentoo gus everytime broke things... (Only joking) Hey _Chris_ :) |
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| pitriss | break* |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: No, they are working on that, but some full broke will be only with the new 17.1 profile. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And hey pitriss! :-) |
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| pitriss | :D Ok ok.. It's good when someone try different approach and report some problems.. It's always good:) |
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| _Chris_ | Seems not to be Gentoo specific. But I am using master branch of TDE. So things are absolutely okay to be broken sometimes. |
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| _Chris_ | For
Gentoo I will most likely start some overlay for preserving all
ebuilds, which Gentoo devs want to purge because of political reasons.
They purged splashutils too. My console decoration support was removed.
People made patches for the 5.x kernels and Gentoo people said, this bug
was only good for the fact, that they know now, that they have to pull
that functionality out of older kernels too. That's some kind of
sadistic attitude, |
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| _Chris_ | it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | You
have to think about that: People claim, that they are using some 4.x
kernel, because newer 5.x kernel of Gentoo has removed that
functionality and this users share some patch, to make it working with
5.x kernel again and they.. reject that patch and will remove that patch
from the working kernels too.. |
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| _Chris_ | So from the user point of view: Don't report bugs, because they will make more bad than anything. |
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| _Chris_ | But different topic now. |
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| luke-jr | TGW? |
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| SlavekB | Trinity Gitea Workspace. |
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| * luke-jr glares at KMail suddenly not reproducing crashes under valgrind |
| SlavekB | ...see wiki: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: what's the best way to get stuff merged into TDE, if I don't have time to be a regular contributor? |
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| luke-jr | eg, I have 17 bugfixes I backported from KDE 4 like a year ago; and a feature I backported and actually use occasionally |
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| SlavekB | If you have any patches, then it's best to sign up to a TGW and create a pull request. |
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| luke-jr | will it get reviewed or ignored like KDE tends to? ;) |
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| _Chris_ | luke-jr: What kind of patches, or specific for what component? :-) |
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| SlavekB | You don't have to be a regular contributor - we also welcome occasional contributions. |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: KMail |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr: You can see how much PR has been successfully merged. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. I recall, that you had IMAP specific problems about KMail. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
year ago or so I looked also for TDEHTML/KHTML and there are also some
patches which could be backported here. In theory there are some more
patches. |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: I don't really have a solution there; it's just slow with big mailboxes I think |
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| luke-jr | HTML rendering seems to be a security nightmare. yet plain text email isn't very usable. I'm not sure what to do with that. :/ |
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| SlavekB | By the way, it is interesting that KMail shows better usability on large mailboxes than Thunderbird. |
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| _Chris_ | luke-jr:
I still love und use plain text emails. They work wonderfull. Before
KMail I used Claws-mail. And I still have the GTK2-version. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: I was tempted to switch to Thunderbird until Mozilla started adding Rust nonsense |
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| SlavekB | I use KMail from KDE 1.0beta4 and I am a very satisfied user :) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there will be a crash from time to time, but I never had any reason to consider leaving KMail. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: i can confirm that usability on huge mail boxes.. |
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| pitriss | I had once more than 7GB mailbox in kmail without a problem.. Thunderbird was unusable.. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB:
KMail uses a lot of CPU for me; often leads to having to go do
something else while I wait, and on my laptop very noisy fans |
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| SlavekB | Exactly.
At work we use a common mailbox for system things. When a large number
of mails are collected, a colleague with Thunderbird stops processing it
because Thunderbird becomes unusable. I have to process the emails in
KMail so that the colleague can then get involved in processing again :) |
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| luke-jr | and
thanks to stupid Xpra not updating windows, I often find myself
creating new Main Windows and closing the old ones, which seems to
reliably crash |
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| luke-jr | (except in Valgrind? lol) |
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| SlavekB | I observe a large CPU load when using a filter. |
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| luke-jr | the quick search? that seems to work pretty snappy for me |
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| SlavekB | Yes, quick search in title of window. When there are many messages in the folder, then the work with Kamil is very slow. |
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| SlavekB | For example, if I delete a message by mistake, the quick search in the Trash is difficult. |
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| luke-jr | I usually use Undo for that |
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| SlavekB | ...Trash for example contains 30.000 emails. |
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| luke-jr | although for reasons I am not certain of, I am insanely careful with Undo.. |
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| luke-jr | 30k is nothing compared to my inbox :p |
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| SlavekB | Wow, great, i didn't even notice that there is an Undo that could help. |
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| luke-jr | it may or may not be fragile |
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| SlavekB | I will definitely try it next time :) |
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| luke-jr | I keep my maildir under git on the server side, so worst case scenario I can see what occurred and revert it.. |
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| luke-jr | (like that one time I accidentally did "mark all messages as read".. I wonder if I should remove that somehow) |
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| luke-jr | I
wonder how much effort it would be to turn KHTML into a wrapper that
sends everything to another computer for rendering in Selenium or such |
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| luke-jr | then I could probably even use Konqueror again :P |
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| luke-jr | although I currently use different machines for browsers in different security zones; not sure how I'd implement that |
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| SlavekB | Oh, Luke, it's a shame you didn't wait until I add you to the team's contributors so you don't have to make a useless forks. |
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| SlavekB | It's easier to use branches on the main repository instead of creating forks that then take up disk space. |
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| luke-jr | perhaps in the future |
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| luke-jr | or I can delete stuff now if disk space is an issue |
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| SlavekB | Now you are member of TDE Contributors team :) |
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| SlavekB | Now leave it as it is. |
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| SlavekB | When the PRs are processed, you will then be able to remove your fork. |
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| luke-jr | k |
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| SlavekB | I'll be back online in about an hour... |
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| luke-jr | sigh, a decade and CPUs still aren't fast enough to Valgrind KMail ;.; |
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| luke-jr | getting close to just giving up, not making any real progress |
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| _Chris_ | Dedicated
CPUs are a thing from the past anyway. In some years all will be in the
cloud. With wonderfull filters all over the world to hide us from the
evil and bad influence of informations. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | IMAP
could be replaced with anything new and fancy anyway. Much too old.
Much like IRC. Only discord is the future. Just some sarcastic info, not
that someone really believes that crap. Wonders me, that IMAP, POP, FTP
are still popular and used. Wonderfull. |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: the cloud is just someone else's computer |
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| luke-jr | fwiw tdelibs/tdestyles/keramik/genembed has memory leaks <.< |
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| * luke-jr pokes at -fsanitize=address for making it cause a build failure |
| luke-jr | doh, asan doesn't like running in the package manager sandbox -- |
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| luke-jr | blah!
/var/tmp/portage/trinity-base/tdelibs-9999/work/tdelibs-9999/tdecore/tdeapplication.cpp:967:30:
error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘class TQTranslator’ |
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| luke-jr | no backward compatibility with older tqt? :/ |
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| PoempelFox[m] | Hi
there. I just noticed there is an announcement from 30.03. about the
availability of 14.0.6 on the website and in the topic of this channel.
However, I do not see it on our mirror (ftp.fau.de) nor any of the the
other mirrors I tried (tde-mirror.yosemite.net, mirrorservice.org): They
all have Ubuntu-"Release" files from August 2018. What's up with that? |
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| PoempelFox[m] | Also, if you click on "Get Trinity" on the website it lists "→ R14.0.5 [Current] 08/18/2018" |
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| SlavekB | PoempelFox[m],
you need to use primary redirector - url
mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/ because from middle December is
problem with synchronization to mirrors :( |
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| PoempelFox[m] | that's
a bit sad. Is there any plan how or when this is going to be fixed?
Running a completely outdated mirror is pretty pointless... |
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| SlavekB | Here you can read... |
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| SlavekB | http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::15969 |
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| PoempelFox[m] | The bus-factor on the TDE project does not seem great... And it seems it's really time to move some central services. |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean with central services? |
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| _Chris_ | If
you mean github and so on - I am very pleased, that the TDE project
still preserves own infrastructure, own servers. Something own with own
identity. That's wonderfull. More and more projects just join this
guthub, gitlab train. Diversity is something good. What now happened to
github, that was something I warned about since years. But before that
point it seemed unrealistic. |
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| SlavekB | No, github certainly not. We already have a TDE Gitea Workspace that is independent of the primary site. |
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| _Chris_ | TDE also have now: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea and weblate. TGW is some place like github, just under TDE's control. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Same time and answer. :-) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | The
central services where the move would be needed are the main web server
(including wiki), the primary source for mirrors, mailing lists. |
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| _Chris_ | Also,
you have a much better overview on some own platform. You don't can
lose any code in future. Like what happened to google code and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | What do you mean with move, SlavekB? The site is perfectly fine. It should be still working with konqueror. |
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| _Chris_ | Or you mean simply server change? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, simple change server. |
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| SlavekB | For example, for web server is already ready VPS, where is hosted primary redirector and TGW: |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/index.php |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
good. Yes, something I discovered also years ago. The person*-URL is
still valid for the bugtracker and so on. But this kind of problems are
not happening everytime. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I just clone everything with the mirror. It's much faster. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is on a faster line, but above all, we can make the necessary changes that only Tim can make on the primary site. |
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| SlavekB | For exemple on url above you can see already updated informations related to R14.0.6. |
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| _Chris_ | That is shown for me also on the primary page. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you mean the release notes? |
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| PoempelFox[m] | _Chris_:
I did not mean "move to gitlab/github" but "move central services like
build infrastructure / website / mailinglists / master for mirrors".
Hosting everything in the same place with only one person having access
is bad. I agree that 'just move everything to github' is generally
undesireable, however I would completely understand it for a project
with as little resources as TDE. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, I mean these pages: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/about.php |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php |
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| * luke-jr ponders if TQMap stuff should just get rewritten using std::map |
| luke-jr | even Qt5 struggles with std::map improving faster than QMap |
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| luke-jr | (and apparently TQMap has a new-delete-type-mismatch bug somewhere) |
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| luke-jr | yay, I think I might have fixed the crash |
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| luke-jr | also
might have identified a big CPU bottleneck with large folders, but not
sure the best solution(s) to it, or if it really is the bottleneck |
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| luke-jr | it appears looking up the "serial number" of a message actually iterates over the entire folder doing comparisons |
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| luke-jr | and KMail apparently uses "get serial number" as if it were cheap |
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| SlavekB | lukedashjr: I added a little comment on your new PR. |
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| luke-jr | how do I NOT get emailed for every issue I have nothing to do with? :/ |
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| SlavekB | Oh,
sorry, because you were included in the Contributors team, Gitea
automatically added you to watch on all the repositories for this team.
You can turn off watching on repositories, that don't interest you. |
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| luke-jr | how do I turn it off on all? |
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| SlavekB | I'm afraid api calls would have to be used to do this... or I can set it up in the database... |
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| _Chris_ | It's
time for it again: SlavekB, which file was for setting the preview file
size limit? It's range goes up to 100MB, but if I just don't set it,
there is no limit. But on some other machine, it seems I have activated
that limit again. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I recall, on other machines (a year or so ago) I simply removed
that entry and it showed previews for larger files (100MB+) again. |
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| _Chris_ | The
answer: ~/.trinity/share/config/kdeglobals -> There is some entry
under "PreviewSettings" which holds a "MaximumSize" entry. You can
change that value to something bigger. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Hey.. There should be quite easy to make something with kommander to just set some interesting values in this file |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly
there is some setting in konqueror for this. But it's limited to 100MB.
There was some discussion about that a year ago. To that time it was
hardcoded to only 2MB. Now you can set it to 100MB with a slider. That
slider could be adjusted to something more big. You can enter some value
in addition. But it will just be limited to 100MB after that again. But
yes, that would be one option more. :-) |
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| pitriss | I'm not using konqueror at all so all of these previews are a bit of black magic:D |
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| pitriss | Normally I'm using krusader as file manager |
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| _Chris_ | It's
mostly just some cosmetical thing. If there are some bigger files and
there is just the type icon, it looks the file would be broken or
something like that. It's some bling-bling anyway. But it's supposed to
work. So.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And
just for reference: You will most likely set "home" and "media" for
preview also to "true", because if it is just "file", it will show
previews for "/home/name/" but not if you click on the home icon on your
desktop or so like "home:/name". That's something different. :-) |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr: we can look forward for Gitea 1.8 - https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/5852 |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, I have to refresh my memory to remember the name of the configuration variable for thumbnails. |
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| _Chris_ | I just found them. I repeat what I wrote. |
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| _Chris_ | The
answer: ~/.trinity/share/config/kdeglobals -> There is some entry
under "PreviewSettings" which holds a "MaximumSize" entry. You can
change that value to something bigger. |
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| _Chris_ | And
just for reference: You will most likely set "home" and "media" for
preview also to "true", because if it is just "file", it will show
previews for "/home/name/" but not if you click on the home icon on your
desktop or so like "home:/name". That's something different. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Works now, like expected. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Great, good result :) |
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| _Chris_ | Real
solution would be to let the configuration dialog (which is existing)
to accept user contributed size limit. The slider goes up to 100MB, you
can enter some different value, but only up to 100MB. |
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| SlavekB | Perhaps
the question is whether the slider is still the appropriate way of
setting - whether it's time to change the setting to a text box without a
slider. |
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| _Chris_ | A Textbox with some up and down setting. Which is there, besides the slider. |
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| _Chris_ | Removing the slider and making the textbox accept user input. That would be perfect. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: I still don't want all these emails :/ |
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| luke-jr | in the meantime |
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| SlavekB | Luke-jr, all your watches deleted in database. You can turn on those that interest you. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
one small idea.. kmail should have some option to filter mails by
presence of an attachment. I wanted to put spams that contain only image
to spam automatically via filter but such option is missing:( |
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| MicheleC | @luke-jr: not sure you have seen tdepim#25 |
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| MicheleC | by the way thanks for your patches on TGW :-) |
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| MicheleC | not
sure " @luke-jr: not sure you have seen tdepim#25" should have been for
luke-jr or lukedashjr. the names are very similar.... |
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| mutantturkey | o/ |
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| mutantturkey | is there a special package i need to get trinity to do xrandring stuff? |
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| mutantturkey | i have the "desktop" setting in tde control panel |
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| mutantturkey | but it only recognizes one screen |
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| pitriss | theres an applet to systray.. |
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| pitriss | But it might be in some more generic package.. not sure where at the moment |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-construct/
<- Can that not be deleted, if it is not used anymore for TDE
(Description says, it is the old KDE building system). Last change was
in 2013. Or is it still needed? I ask because I just came to this by
random. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: The last change was probably just some mass renaming == unrelated to using tde-construct. |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, this has never been used for TDE. |
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| Aristide | Hi =) |
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| Aristide | https://pastebin.com/shVE5iYT
I have created a small script for launch xephyr in other KF5
Activities. its work, but only one problem : when starttde is finished,
is blocked here : |
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| Aristide | [starttde] Trinity shutdown complete. |
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| Aristide | But ... starttde don't finished |
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| Aristide | Its possible to end session completely at logoff ? |
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| Aristide | Sorry, to stop starttde process after logoff :) |
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| rn10950 | Does anyone here know how to disable rounded corners for selected icon text in konqueror and kdesktop? |
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| rn10950 | https://i.imgur.com/JGCSoud.png |
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| SlavekB | You can found in Trinity Control Center / Icons / Rounded text selection. |
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| rn10950 | SlavekB, thank you |
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| ProPeeves | Hello!
I'm really enjoying Trinity and the surprisingly good HiDPi support it
has! The only gripe I'm having with it right now is that the start menu
icon is too small for the bottom panel. Is there a config file somewhere
I can edit to increase the icon size? |
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| _Chris_ | ProPeeves:
Interesting, that you praise the HiDPi support of TDE. What resolution
are you using? And maybe someone can help you here, but you have to wait
a while. People here are not always at the keyboard. And welcome :-) |
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| ProPeeves | I'm on a 3000x2000 SurfaceBook |
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| ProPeeves | on Q4OS* |
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| ProPeeves | And
so far, I'm enjoying the ease of decent-looking HiDPi scaling a lot
more than my previous experiences with XFCE and Cinnamon :) |
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| _Chris_ | Good
to know. I never used TDE with resoulutions above 1920x1200. But from
what I know here are some people using HiDPi panels with TDE. |
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| ProPeeves | The
only "unfixable" issues I've noticed are icons that don't scale in the
notification area, and the start icon - there are other issues like
windows opening too small and some text boxes not adjusting to the
increased font size, but other than that it's been pretty smooth |
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| pitriss | ProPeeves:
hey.. Just quick question, and when you set that button as a image?
there should be such option on kicker IIRC it scales.. Unfortunatelly ho
way to test it for me as I'm sticking with my old CRT Eizo 561 :D |
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| ProPeeves | https://i.imgur.com/STqvXnu.png - the menu on the left is the specific icon I'm talking about |
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| ProPeeves | When I select the icon to use, there's no scaling :( |
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| ProPeeves | Messing around with the settings, it only seems to happen if you have `Display text in menu button` enabled |
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| blu256 | Hello, can Trinity be built against LibreSSL? My distribution (Void Linux) ships it in stead of OpenSSL by default. |
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| SlavekB | blu256, for now, we do not know the answer - as far as I know, no one has tried it. |
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| SlavekB | However, if LibreSSL provides API-level compatibility with OpenSSL, then it might work. |
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| blu256 | Well,
I remember trying some time ago, it didn't compile. Reverting the
OpenSSL patch fixed some of the problems, but still I was not able to
build it. |
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| blu256 | It was a problem with KSSL |
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| blu256 | Well, I think I'll try building it again and then, if it fails again, file a bug. |
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| MicheleC | @blu: perhaps you can log a wishlist issue on TGW for adding LibreSSL compatibility. |
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| MicheleC | if
it is reasonably similar to openSSL, it should be possible to add
support for it. It the API is very different, it may be more problematic |
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| MicheleC | btw, what is your distro? just for info |
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| blu256 | @MicheleC
I've seen that they have changed some things (like moving some
functions) but I'm not skilled enough in C(++) to fix the issues
manually |
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| blu256 | Void Linux |
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| blu256 | libressl-2.8.3_1 |
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| blu256 | BTW, what is TGW? I'm kinda new here ;) |
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| MicheleC | ok thanks blu256. |
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| MicheleC | TGW
is the TDE Gitea Workspace. It is now the main place for TDE developers
and it should also be the new place for people to report issues or
contribute patches. Much easier to work with it than bugzilla |
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| SlavekB | See https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| blu256 | @MicheleC ok thanks |
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| MicheleC | thanks Slavek, I was about to post the same link |
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| MicheleC | the
link from Slavek is the official TGW guide. It covers usage for simple
user, bug reporting, patch contribution and TDE core developers :-) |
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| rn10950 | I
am trying to build TDE from source. The wiki says that GCC 4.6 is the
latest compiler that works with TDE, is this outdated information or
still true? If so how would I go about installing a dev environment on a
modern system as most, if not all, distros don't include GCC 4.6 in
their repos anymore? |
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| SlavekB | rn10950: Yes, this is outdated information. |
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| rn10950 | SlavekB: will the latest GCC work? |
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| SlavekB | The building is verified with GCC 8.3. |
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| rn10950 | SlavekB: ok thanks |
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| SlavekB | I don't know if anyone tried GCC 9.x. |
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| pitriss | Guys why do I have issues with a trinity repo? |
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| pitriss | Err:26 http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian stretch/main armhf Packages |
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| pitriss | Writing more data than expected (15399 > 15393) |
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| rn10950 | for some reason my kmenu side image is in black and white. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| Aristide | Hello |
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| Aristide | I
have a small problem : IMAP process crash when I refresh imap account
(I have already try to create new account, gmail and on my own server is
same problem) |
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| Aristide | I use 14.0.7 |
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| SlavekB | Aristide, refresh do you mean adjusting the configuration of account or checking for new messages in account? |
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| Aristide | SlavekB: Check new mails and check server capability (sorry for my English if I write mistakes ^^) |
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| MicheleC | @Aristide: can you post a crash report? possibly on TGW? |
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| SlavekB | Aristide, can you install tdepim-trinity-dbg to generated good backtrace? |
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| MicheleC | BTW, R14.0.7 is still in development, just to avoid confusion. it is not an official release :-) |
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| Aristide | Ah :p |
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| Aristide | mirda: Oh, sorry yes I can |
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| Aristide | mirda:
Done. (sorry for response time ^^) I have installed debug symbol. Now,
how I can debug Kmail for this message « The process dealing with the
imap: //lazyone.fr protocol stopped unexpectedly. » ? (Its message
translated from french) |
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| pitriss | Aristide: just btw I guess you wanted to hihglight Michele :D |
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| Aristide | :D |
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| Aristide | Yes lol |
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| Aristide | MicheleC:
Done. (sorry for response time ^^) I have installed debug symbol. Now,
how I can debug Kmail for this message « The process dealing with the
imap: //lazyone.fr protocol stopped unexpectedly. » ? (Its message
translated from french) :D |
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| MicheleC | @Aristide: when you get the crash, do you get a DrKonqui window popping with a stack backtrace? |
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| Aristide | MicheleC: Non. Only this error https://i.imgur.com/gL2mBXM.png |
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| Aristide | No* |
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| Aristide | I don't get output in terminal |
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| MicheleC | uhm.. I see |
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| MicheleC | did you start kmail from CLI or menu? |
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| SlavekB | Aristide, is something interesting listed in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| Aristide | I have try from cli, from app menu, and from Kontact |
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| Aristide | tdeioslave: ####### CRASH ###### protocol = imap pid = 2380 signal = 11 |
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| Aristide | Wait I paste bin 3 lines |
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| Aristide | https://pastebin.com/cAkC2wW6 |
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| Aristide | (I have forget the last line, but its only « ] » :x |
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| MicheleC | will try to setup an imap account and see what happen |
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| Aristide | MicheleC: I have try with gmail too |
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| Aristide | Same problem |
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| Aristide | And I have try to remove all accouts and recreate : Same problem |
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| MicheleC | we will look into it. There are a couple of recent commits that may be responsible for that :-( |
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| Aristide | MicheleC: No problems I use my webmail (roundcube) in waiting |
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| Aristide | Thank's for your help MicheleC :) |
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| MicheleC | thanks for reporting problem :-) |
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| MicheleC | Aristide, when did the problem start happening? |
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| Aristide | MicheleC: Good question |
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| SlavekB | For example, can you revert tdepim packages to R14.0.6? |
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| MicheleC | just tested kmail with an imap account using R14.1.0-dev. Seems to work fine |
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| MicheleC | :-S |
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| Aristide | Hm ... |
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| MicheleC | uhm,
more drama. In my xsession-error I can see a similar CRASH message from
half hour ago. but few minutes ago IMAP account definitely worked. |
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| MicheleC | and Slavek sees something similar with POP |
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| MicheleC | but I can't seem to replicate it now :-( |
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| MicheleC | @Aristide: can you try installing KMail R14.0.6 and see if the problem was happening back then? |
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| Aristide | Hm ... I must find how downgrade :x |
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| * _Chris_ has just to note, that it is wonderfull to work with kwrite/kate and php files. :-) |
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| Aristide | _Chris_: +1 :D |
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| Aristide | _Chris_: I use KDevelop for Python (on KF5, because TDE don't have Python3 module for kdev) |
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| Aristide | And PHP too |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
hey.. I'm doing all my scripts in kate.. I miss only some live preview
for markdown files.. but except that it's all I need to do my stuff |
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| MicheleC | If any of you wants to contribute at improving TDE string translation for your own language, please see https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Weblate_Translation_Workspace |
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| MicheleC | a
new tool to let you translate easily and without having to worry about
getting the required files and send them back to developers :-) |
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| MicheleC | we (developers) looks forward for your contribution ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Nice.
I did some translations for german on my own. With TDE integrated
tools. But that was just before the changes to weblate came. So my
translations are out of date now. |
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| MicheleC | using
weblate, you will work on translation for next R14.1.0 release. But if
the same string is also in R14.0.x branch, it will also be updated
automatically and you would see the change on the next release. Or for
those of you on PSB or PTB, you should see the change in few days ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that would be wonderfull. I am using master branch always. To that time
when doing these, there were no changes to translations for a whole
time. But shortly after that all files were updated because of weblate.
So I will most likely do that again in weblate. :-) |
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| MicheleC | great, glad to hear that :-) do you use PTB from Slavek? |
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| _Chris_ | No.
Oh, we haven't seen us until now. SlavekB and the other here know me. I
am using Gentoo Linux and compiling on myself from master branch
since.. two years or more now. |
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| MicheleC | ah ok, I didn't know. |
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| _Chris_ | You was not here in IRC until some time I think. |
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| MicheleC | I am on and off IRC, depending on how busy I am ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. I just forgot about that you don't know me. :-) |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| MicheleC | @Aristide: did you manage to find out if the imap problem showed up with R14.0.6? |
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| Aristide | MicheleC: I don't find how downgrade version on Ubuntu |
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| MicheleC | you can download R14.0.6 package for kmail and manually install it for testing. later you can revert to latest one |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: And by the way: Thank you, for the wonderfull work you are doing on TDE. |
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| MicheleC | don't thank me. We are a team :-) |
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| Aristide | Ah yes MicheleC but kmail has LOT OF dependencies |
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| Aristide | If I donwload .deb manually I must download all deps manually |
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| MicheleC | you can force install only that package for testing. test. then revert |
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| MicheleC | dpkg -i <kmail package file> |
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| MicheleC | anyhow if too complex, don't worry. we will take a look at it sooner or later |
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| SlavekB | You
can add official TDE sources to the apt sources list next to PSB, and
then use aptitude to select packages required for downgrade. |
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| SlavekB | Using aptitude makes it much easier than manually downloading and installing. |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: I know. But I just don't came around to met you until now. :-) |
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| MicheleC | @_Chris_: no worries. Thanks anyway :-) |
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| a-865 | errors ere encountered while processing tdm-trinity :-( |
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| a-865 | buster |
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| a-865 | error code 1 |
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| a-865 | not the first time recently this has happened here :-( |
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| a-865 | 14.0.7 |
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| macbookie | Hey |
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| macbookie | Can someone provide me with an iso of ubuntu with trinity applied |
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| macbookie | 32-bit |
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| _Chris_ | macbookie: Please wait a bit, I am sure, someone will help you in a while. :-) |
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| macbookie | ok |
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| macbookie | I've been trying to get trinity all weekend |
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| Aristide | Hello macbookie |
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| Aristide | macbookie: Ubuntu is for 64 bits only now :/ |
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| Aristide | Since 17.10 |
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| Aristide | Oh, no you can use 32 bits with Ubuntu Net Install |
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| Aristide | But need to install TDE manually |
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| a-865 | anyone remember the name of the utility that manages Trolltech.conf? |
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| a-865 | I finally remembered, qtconfig |
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| rn10950 | what
does kmenu do to the color of the side image? I originally had a color
image with a blue-black gradient and white text. It displays fine in any
photo viewer I open it in, but kmenu shows it as white text on a black
background. It looked like the grayscale version of the image so I made
another image in grayscale, and now parts of the grayscale image are
blue. If it matters I made the... |
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| rn10950 | ...images in PS CS6. What is going on here? |
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| pitriss | Sorry I can't tell and I have it disabled so I don't even notice any glitches there |
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| Borg^Queen | hi
people, I just upgraded to kernel-5.0.19 on several machines. However
one machine can't boot at all now. I end up in a mininal grub. |
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| Borg^Queen | Is there a way to repair it without a reinstall? |
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| Borg^Queen | this is pclos btw |
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| SlavekB | Hi Borg^Queen, you can use some livecd to start and then mount system partitions and fix grub. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok already there |
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| Borg^Queen | at a live usbstick |
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| Borg^Queen | the drive has sda1 - swap sda2 -root sda3 - homr |
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| Borg^Queen | e |
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| Borg^Queen | I have a root terminal open |
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| Borg^Queen | I've been trying to follow the instructions I found online but no joy |
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| SlavekB | mount
the system partition somewhere into tree (for example /target), then
using mount -obind mount from live system into target system: /dev,
/dev/pts, /proc and /sys and then use chroot to switch to target system. |
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| SlavekB | When you switch to the target system, then try the grub install commands. |
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| SlavekB | I don't know if on pclos are also commands "update-grub" or "upgrade-from-grub-legacy". |
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| SlavekB | now I'll be away for several hours... |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry the guy next house over exploded a small propane tank and I thought it was a lightening strike so I did hard shutdown. |
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| Borg^Queen | SlavekB: I know you wrote something but I couldn't read it. |
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| Borg^Queen | hey people |
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| Borg^Queen | SlavekB:
wanted to let you know I resolved the problem. I caused the
damage. Once I figured out how, I was able to fix it. |
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| Borg^Queen | Wasn't able to stay online. We've had tornados and power failures here so it was too dangerous to stay powered up. |
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| SlavekB | I like to hear that the problem has been fixed. |
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| Borg^Queen | Well
I had forgotten I have a root terminal open installing the new kernel, I
opened another terminal and removed the older kernels. |
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| Borg^Queen | I had to reinstall. I repeated the mistake and found there are several tools available to fix it. |
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| Borg^Queen | Such as.. hang on |
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| Borg^Queen | "redo-mbr" a kde pro |
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| Borg^Queen | There's a few now that I can't remember their names. I'll have to look. one moment. |
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| Borg^Queen | dd to copy mbr from a similar computer |
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| Borg^Queen | grub2 has tools to do it too |
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| Borg^Queen | this helped too |
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| Borg^Queen | https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-GRUB2-features/ |
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| Borg^Queen | hope this helps answer your question |
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| Borg^Queen | My ultimate fix was to reinstall. |
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| Borg^Queen | As you know that's easy, especially if you have a disaster kit ready (settings back ups, synaptic save state file etc) |
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| Borg^Queen | ok lurking now |
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| mutantturkey | hey |
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| mutantturkey | whats up BQ-AFK |
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| mutantturkey | whats up peeps |
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| BQ-AFK | not much working and preping for a huge storm |
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| BQ-AFK | we're experiencing brown outs so I'm going to shut down. |
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| BQ-AFK | I hope all are doing well. |
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| omegabr | hi |
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| omegabr | test |
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| _Chris_ | And that is the begining and motivation for GNOME people and any other DEs/GUIs to remove all theming in future: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/open-letter-stop-gtk-theming-distros |
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| MicheleC | thanks Chris, quite interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I know, latest GTK3 will, or have already removed theming-engines
anyway for that reason. From GTK applications which I use besides the
TDE ones, I still prefer the GTK2 variants for that reason. Seems
theming in TDE will be some pro in future, which other DEs will lack.
Never though, that will happen in future. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: those who signed that crap can be described as "can't code proper app" |
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| pitriss | Timemachine back to 2002 when on Win XP had every app different theme jhust because headaches are so cool |
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| _Chris_ | The Win XP time was great. At least in general. Also on Linux side. |
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| _Chris_ | I
just can see the same going on in the software world what is happening
in the political world. Really. But might be some other topic. |
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| _Chris_ | Last
what I heard was that Python renamed some keywords in the language.
Specific "master" and "slave", because some people feel that is against
them. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. ridiculous :D |
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| _Chris_ | The
themes are are somthing what makes different distributions different.
At least in optical aspects. Would be some sad world, if they all would
come with the default theme. But if you see the flatpak hype or what
they all are called, their are also huge motivations replacing
deb/rpm/ebuilds/ports with them. Funny that flatpak was made also by
redhat, so also by the GNOME people too. |
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| pitriss | flatpak is just ooooold concept sentenced to be forgotten again |
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| pitriss | This concept have its place on just few usecases |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
Something like steam, for example. But I just hope Gentoo people will
not start to use it for games instead of native ebuilds. I mean this
concept is the same like windows installers. Just ship all shared libs
togehter. So you end up with libpng or something like that for every
application. I just hope, this will never accepted. Just for the reason
there is no danger that it could replace rpm/deb/ebuild one day. |
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| a-865 | does everyone with mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb configured get error code from tdm-trinity? happens routinely here |
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| a-865 | today it's stretch |
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| a-865 | only way to finish apt upgrade is remove tdm-trinity |
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| pitriss | a-865: same here.. I have issues with tde repo for quite some days too |
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| luke-jr | tdelibs no longer builds :/ |
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| luke-jr | standard input:515: Error: syntax error |
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| OxFEEDBACC | high! i get some "invalid conversion from int* to socklen_t*" errors when compiling tqt3 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i
tried "CFLAGS=... configure" and "CFLAGS=... make", but in
both cases it doesn't seem to be recognized, and configure doesn't seem
to have an option for compiler flags... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | any idea how i can compile it? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 14.0.5 sources, btw... |
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| SlavekB | If I remember correctly, this relates to https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-common-admin/commit/68f23556e6 |
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| SlavekB | however, it would not impact TQt3 as such. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i just need to apply -fpermissive to the compiler... |
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| SlavekB | What libc are you building with? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | musl... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | how does that influence the application of compiler switches? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/src/branch/master/mkspecs/linux-g++/qplatformdefs.h#L80 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and what is that supposed to teach me? |
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| SlavekB | It seems that muslc does not define __GLIBC__ or version> = 2. Therefore, int is used instead of socklen_t. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and what's the rationale behind that code? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | is that made so in order to breaks musl builds? |
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| SlavekB | This code is here to treat builds with older glibc versions. |
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| SlavekB | Here it would be possible to add a condition for building with muslc. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | like "ifdef (musl) define socklen_t float" |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ? |
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| SlavekB | If musl defines socklen_t, then there could be: |
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| SlavekB | #if (defined(__GLIBC__) && (__GLIBC__ >= 2)) || defined(musl) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so, that is really there in order to break on preprocessors that choose the else branch??? |
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| SlavekB | You can look for example: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/src/branch/master/mkspecs/aix-xlc/qplatformdefs.h#L82 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | why doesn't it just say #error "compatibility code does not cover your libc" ? |
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| SlavekB | The purpose of these ifdefs is to respond to where the building is going. |
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| SlavekB | When building an older glibc, there is simply no socklen_t type and therefore int is used in its place. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | it's going into erroneous code, apparently... |
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| SlavekB | As you can see in the AIX code, there is a much more complex decision making. |
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| SlavekB | If 'musl' differs from glibc, we simply need to add ifdef to be able to respond properly to the build with musl. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | which aix code? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/src/branch/master/mkspecs/aix-xlc/qplatformdefs.h#L82 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | oh... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well, my musl has "pkgs/musl-1.1.20-headers/usr/include/bits/alltypes.h:typedef unsigned socklen_t; |
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| OxFEEDBACC | dang |
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| SlavekB | So it seems that 'musl' defines socklen_t, so it could be solved simply as I mentioned above. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and when the sources don't have a qplatformdefs.h file, how would deal with it myself? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | like, how would i make -fpermissive be passed to the compiler? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | huh? didn't i ask that already? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | oh, there is some bunch of... |
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| SlavekB | The
task of the qplatformdefs.h is to simplify the code. Without that, it
would be necessary to address similar conditions for platforms,
architectures, compilers, libc libraries,... again and again across the
entire code. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i don't object the usefulness of header files... |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, it is perfectly fine when 'musl' is not fully compatible with glibc to add the necessary ifdefs here. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i need to run configure again after the change? |
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| SlavekB | I suppose running again configure is not needed. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | but
the same errors came up (tbh, i didn't look too close, but something
about "-fpermissive" again, maybe only some similar issue.)... |
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| SlavekB | You have to find out what constants define 'musl' so that the building with 'musl' can be properly recognized. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | it can't... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2013/02/08/9 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and
what they say in paragraph two (upper quote not counted) is actually
true... why does configure not configure? it compiles quite a bunch of
code, so why not for that? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well... same error... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i edited the correct file? in linux-g++-64 for x86-64? |
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| dimitsos | 0xFEEDBACC: Are you trying to compile TDE for mucl? |
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| dimitsos | musl, sorry |
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| OxFEEDBACC | dimitsos: yes, on a "system", that uses musl instead of glibc |
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| dimitsos | 0xFEEDBAC: Which operating system? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | tools/qdir_unix.cpp: error: 'MAXNAMLEN' was not declared in this scope |
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| OxFEEDBACC | :-/ |
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| _Chris_ | Getting
TDE to work on different libc implementations could be very usefull.
Next step would be to get it compile with different libstdc++
implementations, because GNU ones is growing and growing. Nice, that you
try that. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah,
thanks, but unfortunately i neither have the time nor the patience to
run into some missing anything every couple minutes, so my endeavour
will likely be pretty short-lived... |
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| dimitsos | 0xFEEDBACC: Which operating system? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | bare linux... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i borrow some binary packages from alpine, but else it's pretty bare... doesn't even have a proper init system yet... |
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| dimitsos | I wish you good luck! Any github/gitlab page? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | no... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | like, i do not publish things that are not ready for publishing... |
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| dimitsos | Every single bit you accomplish is a step forward. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i wouldn't dispute that... |
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| dimitsos | Have you tried asking for help on #musl channel? |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I know, someone working on "dragora" linux wanted to get TDE
running under it. And it was using musl too. I don't remember the
nickname, but this person should be in the channel from time to time. |
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| _Chris_ | Seik or someone like that. |
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| _Chris_ | Dragora was created in 2007 by Matias A. Fonzo, <selk (a) dragora org> |
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| OxFEEDBACC | interesting... both the user and the distro... judging by the ISO sizes, it's pretty lightweight... |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can mail him. |
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| _Chris_ | Selk is his name. And he wanted to get TDE running with musl two years ago. Maybe he was sucesfull. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | according to the repo, there's still only dwm... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | (http://rsync.dragora.org/current/packages/x86_64/x-apps/) |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know anything further. It's just what I recall. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | do you have logs to find out, how long that was ago that he tried? |
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| _Chris_ | Logs.
Yes and no. The channelog should be logged. I have seen selk here some
months ago, if I am not wrong. And that have to be two years ago, that
he tried it. Some months more or less. End of 2016, if I am not wrong.
Time goes on very fast, I just notice.. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | indeed, thanks... |
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| _Chris_ | Have you already build some libstdc++ on top of musl? |
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| _Chris_ | Or libc++ from.. You know, not GCC.. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | btw, #dragora |
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| _Chris_ | Clang, that I mean. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i've taken libstdc++ alongside the compiler and most of its vicinity from alpine binary packages... |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I see. |
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| _Chris_ | And
maybe just break linux-g++-64 to look if it is right. But that should
be the case, normaly, if I am not wrong. At least for 64 bit targets. |
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| _Chris_ | The -fpermissive errors should result from a too high c++ mode. Just add it to the cxxflags and it should compile. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | of course i should use cxxflags, not cflags... |
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| _Chris_ | Often cflags got to cxxflags too. But, yes, try that. |
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| _Chris_ | But
if you just got -fpermissive errors, than musl should not be the
problem. I got them too. When playing with OPIE (some old pre smartphone
system based on QT2). With adding -fpermissive, it worked to compile. |
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| _Chris_ | "-fpermissive
Downgrade some diagnostics about nonconformant code from errors to
warnings. Thus, using -fpermissive will allow some nonconforming code to
compile." |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well, that -fpermissive error is gone due to the qplatformdefs.h patch... |
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| _Chris_ | Great, that would be the proper way than, I think. |
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| _Chris_ | I just read that after I joined and though that would be help. :-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | halfway ;-) since there's no way to detect musl, i just unconditionally set SOCKLEN_T to socklen_t |
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| OxFEEDBACC | which breaks for glibc<2, but honestly, who's stuck with that? |
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| _Chris_ | A lot of people are running glibc1 these days. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just
a joke, you know. That could be later fixed, or support for that could
be remoced, if really no one is needing it. But making it work with musl
would be more important. Later that compatibility can be repaired. Have
you talked to the people in the musl and dragora channels already? |
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| _Chris_ | *removed |
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| OxFEEDBACC | not yet, no... what would i talk about to the musl guys again? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | not the musl detection? it would've been done by an external script, if you mean that... |
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| _Chris_ | Again? I don't know, you already talked with them. But maybe they could provide you help with common porting tips. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | like "configure", which doesn't do it yet... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | next time i ask in german... :-p |
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| OxFEEDBACC | tqt3's -pch option is broken... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | wow... that was a ride... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | guys, you really gotta update that "how to build" page... |
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| _Chris_ | What problem you had exactly? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | that nothing is documented? :-D |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well, the mentioned -pch option... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | the step-by-step figuring out that files (headers or so) are missing _after_ the configure run... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | the fact, that LD_LIBRARY_PATH must be set to include the lib directory that is yet to be built... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i mean, the lack of flexibility in the build of tqt3 must mean they use rpath, so why do they need LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm.
Most people are using the binary packages from the tde repos. I am on
Gentoo here. Gentoo is using ebuilds to compile TDE from source too. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | just btw, "this ride" is just about tqt3... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah,
i have reasons not to use gentoo... for instance, they hide the
complexity of building packages behind a set of a not less complex build
system... |
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| _Chris_ | I
see. But yes, building from source should have proper docs. Seems that
is out of date. I am sure someone can say you more about that. SlavekB
and so are building the binary packages from debian and so. |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. It's all about choice. So you are running some kind of LFS? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | the
build host for my bare linux is a debian as well, but i don't think you
could (easily) host-build tqt... by all that i figured, at least... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i
take some hints from LFS, of course... for boot-strapping the whole
thing i am using binary packages from alpine (gcc and friends, of
course, and xorg) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | code name is frankenpebble ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
am sorry, that your use case is not so properly documented, but qt3
sources are from early 2000. Devs here are working very hard to keep it
building under recent systems. Maybe you can add notes to the building
wiki page, if you want. That could help people. I asume you not updating
your system all the day if it is working, or I am wrong? I just though
about using something like LFS, but keeping it working on different
machines |
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| _Chris_ | would be a bit of work. But that is personal choice of course. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | heh...
on my "terminal" (a 2010 EeePC) i still run OpenSuse 11.2, no matter
how many "modern" features it is lacking... what i can't download from
it, due to unmatched HTTPS crypto-algorithms, for instance, i can still
download from the other machine... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so, no, i'm not really one of those guyes who are permanently busy updating their systems... |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/_base/dependencies/tqt3 |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that can help you. This are the scripts used to build the debian TDE binary packages. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, thanks... |
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| _Chris_ | My
personal opinion to that updating is: It's often over rated. TDE for
example should be not secure per definition. Never heard of someone who
was hacked or anything like that. Back in time that was called
brain.exe. |
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| _Chris_ | Libs
are getting bigger and bigger anyway. Most people can't do anything
more today than in 2005. Websites are a good example of that. JS bloat
all the way. But okay, other topic. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | to exploit security holes in software that runs on my computer, an attacker would have to first gain access to that software... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | as long as i can rely on konqueror not allowing JS to access/modify arbitrary files, that should be enough... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | leave alone, that konqueror isn't my main browser... |
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| _Chris_ | I
am using PaleMoon as main browser. But I don't care about JS in
konqueror. I don't care about spectre, meltdown or these kind of things.
All disabled to get max performance. At least there is still choice to
do that. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, palemoon here too... |
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| _Chris_ | I hope you will be successful to build TDE with your setup. Or better with musl. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | btw, i have found a more elegant solution to the ifdef problem in qplatformdefs.h |
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| _Chris_ | What solution you found? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | it was ifdef(__GLIBC__) && (__GLIBC__ >=2 ) ... else ... endif |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so that made glibc>=2 the special case... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i changed it to ... && (__GLIBC__ <2) ... with swapped then/else to make the old glibc the special case... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so for everything else it assumes a true socklen_t |
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| _Chris_ | Good
idea. Maybe that old glibc support will be removed anyway. Because I
saw in recent commits, that older GCC2 support was removed too. But only
in some places. So question would be if TDE is possible to build with
that today anyway. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, good question... |
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| _Chris_ | Spoiler:
I don't think so. I am very for preserving old system support and so
kind. But if it is not possible anymore anyway.. Same for specific old
platforms in tqt3. PaleMoon team has done the same in the old mozilla
codebase and removed support for old target platforms. But that broke
solaris or *bsd support and made some people angry. That was too much.
But I never read about someone using TDE on this kind of platforms.
Okay, the |
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| _Chris_ | OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana people ported TDE to it, from what I know. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | within the next 20 years the software industry will have to rethink anyway... rather say, within 10..15 years... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | there's a gigantic compatibily crash coming ahead... |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/184 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | some ppl even speak of "revolution", but i don't know if that is to be taken serious... ;-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | wow... even iOS... |
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| _Chris_ | That
crash is coming also to the analog world if you see the politics.
Internet was great until.. let's say 2005. After that software started
to getting... strange. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, like web 2.0 has a single hook, which is HTML5 canvas/video, the rest is trash (or as before) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | semantic web has failed blatantly... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | anyway,
what i mean about the compatibility crash is that those compatibility
maintenance adds so much complexity to software, that nobody really sees
through... |
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| _Chris_ | I
know that this "cleaning up" of old codebase can made very happy.
Something psychological. But for people to start porting and getting
some software working again under old platforms, that will very
demotivate this people, because they can't fix simply the old code.
Instead of this, they have to re-add it first, and, and, and. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ask the big guys to keep a history of their old software, independently from new development... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
this topic, about using JS and web 2.0 is a popular one here from time
to time. Also PaleMoon people are not happy about that "future". Back in
the days you were prude if your website is not using JS to work
properly. Time is changing, it seems. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | that way you can just run vintage apps in an emulator... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | time isn't changing, decadence is merely a form of entropy... |
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| _Chris_ | Is see what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | *I |
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| OxFEEDBACC | or like harald lesch like to say "in earlier times everything was better --- even the future" ;-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | +s |
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| OxFEEDBACC | dang... bad translation... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | "in the past ..." |
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| _Chris_ | Might be the case that only we two know harald lesch in this channel. :-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, possibly... |
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| _Chris_ | I have to laugh. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | about? |
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| _Chris_ | Just "so". |
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| OxFEEDBACC | stop it already... that's contagious :-D |
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| _Chris_ | I hope so. :-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | heh... and it wasn't even complete... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | why is "moc" (whatever that is) not installed, wben it's needed later on? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | has anyone actually tried an out-of-source build of anything past tqt3 during the last years? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /opt/trinity/include/ntqgl.h:82:11: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory |
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| OxFEEDBACC | # include <GL/gl.h> |
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| OxFEEDBACC | what is the configuration system actually good for, when it doesn't respect my configurations? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i've built without gl... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | it's
becoming funnier... arts doesn't find libaudiofile, though it's
certainly there... it doesn't mention how it came to get the idea...
there's also no CMakeError.txt or what that was called... no trace of
error message in CMakeOutput.txt |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /lib/pkgconfig/audiofile.pc |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /lib/libaudiofile.la |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /lib/libaudiofile.so.1.0.0 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /lib/libaudiofile.so |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /lib/libaudiofile.a |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /lib/libaudiofile.so.1 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | /usr/include/audiofile.h |
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| OxFEEDBACC | so, which file does it not find? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 7600+ bytes in the INSTALL file, but obsolete... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 85 bytes in a HOW.TO.BUILD file: |
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| OxFEEDBACC | FOR BUILD INSTRUCTIONS PLEASE VISIT |
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| OxFEEDBACC | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE |
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| nekoexmachina | hi folks, wanted to clarify - http://trinitydesktop.org/releases.php
claims that latest release is 14.0.5, while there is 14.0.6 available;
also live images are *very* outdated- that is indeed the case or am I
blind? |
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| nekoexmachina | very outdated == based off 5 year old ubuntu in case of ubuntu |
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| MicheleC | To all, just wondering who is using R14.1.0-DEV version. I know _Chris_ does. Anyone else? |
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| pitriss | MicheleC: sorry, stable release here.. |
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| MicheleC | I am trying to understand what degree of testing we have for R14.1.0 release branch |
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| MicheleC | thanks @pitriss |
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| pitriss | I can upgrade if its necessary to do more torough testing if there's packages for debian stable.. But I like stable anyway..:) |
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| MicheleC | not
yet. perhaps when we are closer to finalize R14.1.0 release, we will
ask for volunteers to do some beta-testing. Alpha-testing is going on
daily on my system ;-) |
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| pitriss | okay. |
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| MicheleC | thanks for the offer, anyway. |
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| pitriss | Any chance for fixes in yakuake?:) |
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| pitriss | at least that damn DCOP so I can workaround that background in it :D |
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| MicheleC | do you have a bug number? |
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| MicheleC | for reference:-) |
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| pitriss | aww let me check that old bugzilla |
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| pitriss | Bug 2537 and Bug 2479 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2537 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , yakuakes dcop session-1 setSchema / schema calls not working |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2479 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , yaukake can't initialize scheme background image properly |
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| pitriss | as quick workaround there is enough to reload already loaded scheme after changing geometry |
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| pitriss | but its most likely dirty hack.. Pity is that dcop is not working to do proper reload.. |
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| pitriss | Otherwise I can script some workaround for myself:) |
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| MicheleC | for the dcop one (2537) I have added to my "potential TODO" list |
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| pitriss | great news for me.. I guess yakuake is not so widely used as konsole is.. |
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| MicheleC | it could be widely used but not by the few developers ;-) |
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| pitriss | Yeah unfortunatelly I don't know C/C++ |
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| MicheleC | no problem |
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| pitriss | I'm skilled in scripting mostly.. Bash/ruby prefered:) |
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| MicheleC | I take it the dcop call should set the schema as the same entry in the RMC popup menu, right? |
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| pitriss | that DCOP should be able to set the schema with that name and get should return that name.. |
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| pitriss | At least as I got it.. but if there is some "reloadschema" then it could be enough for me if it would work |
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| MicheleC | I
had a quick look. it seems the "session-1" is not really related to the
session you see on the screen. for example if you create more than one
shell you can see there is only "session-1" anywat. |
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| MicheleC | the info about the real shells are under DCOPInterface, but currently there is no call to set the schema for those |
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| pitriss | ahhh |
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| pitriss | so this is just stub and original author didn't finished it.. |
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| MicheleC | it could be, I guess... |
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| pitriss | for me it could be ebough just some call to reload schema for all opened konsoles in yakuake |
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| MicheleC | (y) I will take a look at the code sooner or later. see what is the best compromise between changes and functionality |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22
<OxFEEDBACC> it's becoming funnier... arts doesn't find
libaudiofile, though it's certainly there... it doesn't mention how it
came to get the idea... there's also no CMakeError.txt or what that was
called... no trace of error message in CMakeOutput.txt |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22
<OxFEEDBACC>
/lib/pkgconfig/audiofile.pc
05:22 <OxFEEDBACC> /lib/libaudiofile.la |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22 <OxFEEDBACC> /lib/libaudiofile.so.1.0.0 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22 <OxFEEDBACC> /lib/libaudiofile.so |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22 <OxFEEDBACC> /lib/libaudiofile.a |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22 <OxFEEDBACC> /lib/libaudiofile.so.1 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22 <OxFEEDBACC> /usr/include/audiofile.h |
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| OxFEEDBACC | 05:22 <OxFEEDBACC> so, which file does it not find? |
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| MicheleC | #####
check for audiofile #######################set( HAVE_LIBAUDIOFILE 0
)if( WITH_AUDIOFILE ) pkg_search_module( AUDIOFILE audiofile
) if( AUDIOFILE_FOUND ) set(
HAVE_LIBAUDIOFILE 1 ) else( AUDIOFILE_FOUND
) message(FATAL_ERROR "\naudiofile (wav) support
are requested, but `libaudiofile` not found" ) endif(
AUDIOFILE_FOUND )endif( WITH_AUDIOFILE ) |
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| MicheleC | cmake is looking for the audiofile library |
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| SlavekB | The
standard cmake pkg_search_module is used to locate the audiofile. If
standard cmake macros don't work for you, then something broken is on
your side. |
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| MicheleC | do you have libaudiofile-dev installed? |
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| MicheleC | and which distro are you using? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i have no "distro" and i have no -dev package... i have the sources on a pretty bare system... |
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| SlavekB | If you have /lib/pkgconfig/audiofile.pc, but pkg-config not fount it, you need to check, why. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | compiler and related tools borrowed from alpine... |
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| SlavekB | This does not seem to be a problem on the arts code side. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i
need to find it? why don't you put more effort in the oh-so-mighty
CMakeLists? like, what is found under "# find moc" for tqtinterface is a
bit... silly... |
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| SlavekB | You can try: |
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| SlavekB | pkg-config --modversion audiofile |
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| SlavekB | In our CMakeLists.txt is |
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| SlavekB | pkg_search_module( AUDIOFILE audiofile ) |
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| SlavekB | This is perfectly convenient - there is no need for additional effort if pkg-config works for you. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i
don't want to read all those CMakeLists... i want to use them to
compile stuff that is supposed to compile using cmake and the provided
CMakeLists... |
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| SlavekB | If pkg-config doesn't work for you, you have to solve this problem. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i wonder why one would torture themselves with the cmake cruft, when in the end nothing works anyway? |
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| MicheleC | arts compiles perfectly if you have the right setup/packages on your system |
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| MicheleC | :-) |
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| SlavekB | CMakeLists.txt is not here to solve missing dependencies for you, or your non-functional pkg-config. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and where do i find that "right setup"? certainly not on https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| MicheleC | yeah.... that page is probably very outdated |
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| OxFEEDBACC | why don't you just publish your scripts, with which you do your test/prerelease/whatever builds? |
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| MicheleC | if you are happy to try a debian based system, see here: |
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| MicheleC | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_buildscripts/local/README.txt |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i don't think the debian guys are the only ones compiling TDE? |
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| MicheleC | @publish the scripts: see the link I just posted |
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| SlavekB | We don't do anything mysterious - you can see everything in tde-packaging / debian. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | got that... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | something crawls up from a years old memory... basement... tiger... well... |
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| SlavekB | For example, you can see ports for FreeBSD - there's also nothing mysterious... |
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| SlavekB | Similarly, SPEC files for RPM-based distributions. |
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| SlavekB | OxFEEDBACC: What you get, when you try: pkg-config --modversion audiofile ? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | you
were right, pkg-config didn't find audiofile, but a simple "check if
pkg-config finds it" in the first place would have been more helpful... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | as well as a list of dependencies... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i'm
currently making some scripts help me install further "packages" into
the vm without having to reboot it for every missing dependency :-D |
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| OxFEEDBACC | when i end up with tqt-mt.pc in /opt/trinity/lib/pkgconfig, does that mean, that tqt3 has been compiled with threading support? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | arts' cmake run also looks for some tmoc, while there is tqmoc in /opt/trinity/bin |
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| SlavekB | Here is tmoc, tqmoc and moc-tqt. |
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| mutantturkey | fuck |
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| OxFEEDBACC | can you email them to me? :-D |
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| SlavekB | You should get them by building TQt3 :) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i did configure -prefix /opt/trinity -no-exceptions -system-zlib -xft -xcursor -dlopen-opengl -V && ... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | in configure --help "-no-thread" is starred, so i take it as the default... what does the "-mt" prefix mean? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_base/dependencies/tqt3/debian/README.Debian: |
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| OxFEEDBACC | "Threaded version:libtqt3-mt (..." |
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| OxFEEDBACC | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_base/dependencies/tqt3/debian/rules at least shows some config options... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | there are quite some options that do not show up with configure -help |
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| OxFEEDBACC | :-/ |
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| SlavekB | OxFEEDBACC, please, you can test patch from https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/pulls/12 ? |
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| Borg^Queen | hello humans, AIs and others... |
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| pitriss | Others greets Borg queen:) |
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| Borg^Queen | lol :) |
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| _Chris_ | Others greets Borg^Queen too. :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | Large collection of others lol |
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| _Chris_ | It's the future. We in Germany have 26 sexes or so. You can note "others" in your personal id. Great new world.. :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| _Chris_ | It's no joke.. |
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| Borg^Queen | Well, technically there are 4 naturally occuring humans sexes |
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| _Chris_ | Sounds like discrimination. Shame on you. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41912754 |
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| Borg^Queen | None of this will matter, when the Unity is complete! |
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| _Chris_ | Seems so. Hope Orwell (1984 movie) say you something. |
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| Borg^Queen | Aye, I know first hand. I'm intersex. |
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| Borg^Queen | Unlike common beliefs, everything works everything is perfect. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll live longer, I'm immune to many genetic diseases etc. |
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| Borg^Queen | Soon we will rule the world |
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| _Chris_ | Really?
I don't care what someone is or want to be. It's okay. But I don't like
the way this is turned into collectiv narcissism. If that is the right
description for what I see here more and more. |
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| Borg^Queen | I agree. t |
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| _Chris_ | You see that in python. |
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| Borg^Queen | Things
are becoming strange. For example, I look completely female, I am seen
as such.. SO when someone calls me she, her etc. It's fine. |
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| Borg^Queen | Python? |
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| _Chris_ | They changed the "master and slave" codewords in the language, because people talked about discrimination. |
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| Borg^Queen | Really? |
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| _Chris_ | No joke. Wait. |
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| Borg^Queen | seriously |
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| _Chris_ | https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8x7akv/masterslave-terminology-was-removed-from-python-programming-language |
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| Borg^Queen | o_0 |
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| _Chris_ | There is much, much more of that kind coming and already there. It's some point which is becoming strange. |
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| Borg^Queen | Aye |
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| _Chris_ | But okay. Politics are maybe not the topic for here. It could hurt someone/something/some*. |
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| Borg^Queen | Hmm |
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| _Chris_ | But software evolution is more or less the same like cultural evoulution. |
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| Borg^Queen | I guess, but I think it's getting out of control. |
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| _Chris_ | Things are getting more abstract. That started in software and is coming to every day live. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Borg^Queen | I was always taught to look at the reason for a thing. Was it malicious or not etc. |
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| Borg^Queen | This is why I'm going to delete the human race and start the experiment over again. This time with Bananas. |
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| _Chris_ | In
software: Toolkits/Frameworks. And in every day live you have that too.
Most people don't know their own rights today. And at some point, that
will be a big problem. Back in the days I was kicked out of the school
class, because I questioned to learn and count on calculators. Because
if all will do that, I said. What is.. if someday, somewhere.. the
people creating this nice, little tools, will change the algorithm, no
one will |
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| _Chris_ | notice.
If you take a look at YT or amaz0n echo or something like that. You
will notice I was right. It was simply not just the calculator. |
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| _Chris_ | Bananas sound wonderfull. |
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| Borg^Queen | :) |
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| _Chris_ | For someone to have fun to read about: https://bugs.python.org/issue34605 - Later that resulted in some very strange discussions. |
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| _Chris_ | Hope they will never get my master boot record. :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | oh crap lol |
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| Borg^Queen | "Primary Boot Record" |
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| Borg^Queen | ok strange convo lol |
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| Borg^Queen | https://bugs.python.org/issue34605 - this |
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| _Chris_ | In
Germany our goverment created street signs, on which they are very
proud of. No race is discriminated, they are simply perfect. The
problem, the reason, they were never really introcuted were.. No normal
person could really understand them. So perfectly.. stupid. |
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| Borg^Queen | Such as? |
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| _Chris_ | I don't have some example to be honest. There was some documentation in TV about that. :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| Borg^Queen | Humans are stupid |
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| * _Chris_ just noticed,
that LO still supports GTK2. He removed it from his system when there
was some news a year ago, that GTK2 support will be removed. Good to see
that this never happened. |
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| _Chris_ | Any
idea for a beginer desktop PC DE, which is fast, slim and don't include
more than a base for productive OSS software use (PaleMoon,
Libreoffice, GIMP, burning, Video/Audio)? All of this can be compiled
only with GTK2. So it seems LXDE (GTK2) would be the only choice? I
would use TDE for that, but it's not really for me and TDE could have
too much options to begin with. So maybe someone has some different idea
here? |
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| SlavekB | From
my point of view, LXDE is not a good choice. As soon as the user puts
down the diapers, he finds that there are too little posibilities to
customize... and will be disappointed that he has to look for
and learn something else. At the same time, the development has little
prospect - LXDE is at the end, LXQT has nothing to do with "lightweight"
at all. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Thanks for your input. Yes, LXQT is based on QT5. Same as razor-qt, or
Lumina, or whatever. I haven't used LXDE since.. 10 years or so? Seems
the problems just start with the lack of some power-manager in LXDE. The
one from XFCE now needs GTK3. LXDE get still bugfixes, but on the other
hand side, maybe you are right. Other option would be to pre-customize
some TDE install for that specific case then. That would be my |
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| _Chris_ | personal choice. But we will see. There is some E17 fork too, but this isn't some good base to learn with, I think.. |
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| _Chris_ | Mate now only use GTK3 by the way. So out. Same to all other options. Just some WM is too less. |
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| _Chris_ | Is TDE finaly in Devuan upstream by the way, anyone know? Or can the Debian repos from TDE used for that still? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | there's no alternative to TDE, that could be called lightweight and flexible enough at the same time... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | oh, lord, where would i be without my awesome destop? (i don't mean the WM here, btw) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | try to make your apps look cosy, and you're at your limits faster than you can click a button... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | even with gtk2... |
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| SlavekB | For Devuan, it is still true that the TDE apt repository for Debian can be used smoothly. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | a nice "catch" of KDE/TDE to intercept many GTK widget calls and replace them with the TDE look'n'feel as configured... |
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| _Chris_ | OxFEEDBACC:
Right, that's the tqt-engine-gtk2, which I still use on all my systems.
Without any problems and it works wonderfull. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Seems
the final argument for using TDE for that use case would be, that you
can have some cute, little kirby running at your kicker bar with TDE.
:-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
still use these 2008/2010 laptops here, from which I have a big box
full of them. They all had thise bad solder problem, with the BGA chips,
if someone know. Some reflow of the chip/mainboard and most likely they
will run for 10 further years. This one here, you can upgrade to 8GB of
RAM, which should be more than most people still use. At least for..
normal.. things. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i don't know a crewmember with that name :-D |
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| _Chris_ | You mean kirby? |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, more than 8Gig is useful mostly when running multiple VMs... or in enterprise situations for larga data bases etc... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yes, i don't know kirby... |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.free-gaming.org/p/1105037/ |
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| OxFEEDBACC | oh, i think i've seen that and chose to do without... |
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| _Chris_ | And
by the way: I am using this here too. Which works perfectly. But the
python script needs some fixes it seems, because sometimes it's
forgetting it's settings and starts without images. https://www.free-gaming.org/p/1105211/ |
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| OxFEEDBACC | i'd say, Python needs some fixing :-D |
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| _Chris_ | In
Vista you could do that too, or Windows 7 too. But from I read, they
removed support for widgets with Windows 8/10. Maybe I am wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | Python is getting fixing. Just a reference, to that master/slave thing. Things will get better. :-D |
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| OxFEEDBACC | such bullshit is not fixing, that's bullshitting... what i mean is (do you have valgrind available?): |
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| _Chris_ | There
was some, or still is some, python2 fork. A lot of people still prefer
python2. SuperKaramba is using it for the widgets. Something like C++
would be faster, but more complicated.. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | valgrind python -c 'for i in range(1,1): print i' 2>&1 | grep error |
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| OxFEEDBACC | (seeing the results is worth installing valgrind, imho) |
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| _Chris_ | No valgrind on this machine, but why not. |
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| _Chris_ | And about that "fixing". It was a joke. We talked about yesterday here. :-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | you
can try on any machine... with any version of python you want... the
numbers may slightly differ with the version, but it's the same s***
anyway... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, i've read that... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | when i was 16, i had a date... with the hottest hosemonster around... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | and the afternoon before that evening, a sinusitis came to get hold of me, so the date was off... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | when
i went to university, i demanded from my math prof and his colleagues
and his prof colleagues and assistents and what not to no longer use the
word "sinus", and try to find an alternative... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | because it hurt me so much, when ever i read/hear sinus, that i'm still virgin... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | do you think anyone gave a f***? |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | If
someone/something/some* is different. This one/two/whatever, have to
life with that. You can talk with individual people, when they
disrespect you, but changing law to force people to some thinking is not
the way to go. That will lead to hate. That from someone who was ever
different and still beeing proud of. No in physical form, but more
psychological. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: ==15486== Memcheck, a memory error detector valgrind: Fatal error at startup: a function redirection |
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| OxFEEDBACC | yeah,
agreed, and apropos Neger^H^H^H^H^HSchaumkuesse... i'll go to Schaumia
for my next vacation, with the mission to convince their leaders to
rename their rascist choco-crossie hating country... where the majority
of ppl are choco-crossies, btw... |
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| _Chris_ | No
debug symbols or anything on this system. That's my fault. Will re-do
that on some other machine later today. These here has ripped of all
unwind tables or anything which is unneded for simple use. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | hmm... that fatal error never occurred to me... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | you don't need debug symbols to run that check... |
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| _Chris_ | I just forgot about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Longer
output: valgrind: Possible fixes: (1, short term): install
glibc's debuginfo valgrind: package on this
machine. (2, longer term): ask the packagers
valgrind: for your Linux distribution to please in future
ship a non- valgrind: stripped ld.so (or whatever the dynamic
linker .so is called) valgrind: that exports the above-named
function using the standard valgrind: calling conventions
for this platform. The package you |
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| _Chris_ | need
valgrind: to install for fix (1) is called valgrind:
valgrind: On Debian,
Ubuntu:
libc6-dbg valgrind: On SuSE, openSuSE, Fedora,
RHEL: glibc-debuginfo |
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| OxFEEDBACC | ya, maybe it needs some debug info in ld.so to know where to hook its own functions in... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | actually, the dynamic symbol table should be enough, if i'm not totally insane meanwhile... |
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| _Chris_ | I had some time, when I experimented on this machine with.. -fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables and, and, and. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well, i didn't write valgrind... |
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| _Chris_ | I
will test that later, on a different system. This isn't made for debug
in any form. I tested something for a base of a mobile platform. Some
old PDA, which I wanted to run more or less with maximum performance,
but up to date libs. Seems I have to fix my playground. :-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k, it's not important anyway... |
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| _Chris_ | If
you will so, TDE users are discriminated too. At least from KDE people
or so. You can notice that in popular news platforms, if some new TDE
version is released. Systemd is discrimination too. It's bad, but that
happened all the day, since human existed in any form. Good of that: TDE
know how it is to be discriminated or forced to use some deps, or when
the beloved features are simply removed. Because of that TDE careful to
do |
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| _Chris_ | that on their users. And that's a very good thing. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | people fear competition... could be they loose... to avoid that, they denounce the "opposition" |
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| OxFEEDBACC | https://allpoetry.com/poem/14049855-Contests-by-Ankh-Punk |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I haven't something to add to that. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice one. :-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | the poem? yes... |
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| _Chris_ | Always interesting what the TDE channel brings for topics. :-) |
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| OxFEEDBACC | it's also a change... on my 2 main channels there's little to no social talk... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | for
one it's pretty okay, as the actual topic is pretty terse, and there's
not too much traffic anyway, so the regulars see the busy state of the
channel as an indication for someone needing help... |
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| _Chris_ | Do
you want to say in what other main channels you are? I am in 10
channels or so. But to no channel than this I am more social bound, if
you can say that. Always interesting to see what people land here. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | kind of understandable... no smawltawk means they aren't interrupted by nothing... from whatever they're actually doing... |
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| OxFEEDBACC | at some point in the past i've come to the decision to no longer "invite", decidedly or not, people to other channels... |
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| _Chris_ | I
haven't get any blame for talking here about different topics and I
hope some people simply read from time to time and find it interesting.
Just like a modern form of social criticism.. |
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| _Chris_ | No, you don't need to. No problem. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But I have to go AFK for now. |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k, cu... |
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| MicheleC | @_Chris_: need some help with German |
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| MicheleC | Encrypted Locked Hard Disk Volume --> Verschlüsselte gesperrte Festplattenpartition ?? |
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| MicheleC | and |
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| MicheleC | Encrypted Unlocked Hard Disk Volume --> Verschlüsselte entsperrte Festplattenpartition ?? |
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| MicheleC | is that good enough? |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: Yes, that is good. |
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| _Chris_ | It's time to start with translations too. I have already the weblate account. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, there are a few suggestions for translation into German, but they are all suitable for rejection :) |
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| MicheleC | Hi Chris, this is for some changes I am making for R14.1.0 and German strings were slightly modified. Thanks for the feedback |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh, so they need verification to be included, or what do that mean? |
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| SlavekB | He
suggested to translate "Your Names" and "Your Emails" as strings, but
these are not meant to be literally translated, but to add user data
about translators. |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC:
Wonderfull. Yes, I did see that a lot of translation into German were
right, but marked as fuzzy too. I fixed that to the local files, but I
have to do that again in weblate if I come to that. Hope these nights.
:-) |
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| SlavekB | See |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Weblate_Translation_Workspace#Updating_translators_information |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, I have though about this too already. Is it possible for weblate
to mask them or something like that? To prevent that in future? |
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| SlavekB | The
problem is that they need to be available to translators, but
translators need to know that they should add their data instead of
literal translation. |
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| SlavekB | I'll
try to discuss with author of Weblate whether it would be possible to
create an add-on that could update the translator data automatically. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Exactly that came to my mind right now. |
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| SlavekB | You can see: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/user/anonymous/suggestions/ |
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| _Chris_ | But
introducing weblate for TDE seems to have helped a lot with people
adding translations. At least from what I have seen from commits. |
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| _Chris_ | From "anonymous"? |
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| _Chris_ | Is that some account, or is it possible to translatate without any account too? |
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| SlavekB | If the user does not create an account, then it is simply anonymous. |
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| SlavekB | And anonymous can only give suggestions. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, Weblate is great. We hoped that volunteers could come here and work on translations. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way. I showed the user for the laptop I talked about some
screenshots about different DEs. LXDE and TDE too. And she liked TDE
much more from the design and so. |
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| SlavekB | Small overview for interest: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/stats/ |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I have seen, that already a hand full of people translated. For German
there seems to be some talk here, because I had some problems. For
example, in German "Computer" (The icon on the desktop for example), is
called "Speichermedien". But that is so long and breaks like this at
default setup: "Speicherme-dien" which looks not good. In German there
are some further strings too, which are translated right, but are much
too long. |
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| _Chris_ | So it looks ugly and not right. But to be consistent, they would need to be translated all in many places. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Interesting, I will take a look at it now. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | And
I mean I noticed something too: You said, that "your name" and so are
not for translation. But from what I have seen, this translations are
taked into the % of remaining entries to be translated. So sometimes, if
this entries are not translated, you can't reach 100% of translation in
weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | So
some kind of mask, to exclude them from calculation and possibility to
translate them BUT changing them automatically, would be perfect. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
You seems to have experience with VOIP. My ISP just changed from ISDN
to VOIP and I am using own hardware. I have some old school phones and
some Cisco SPA112 ATA adapter, which is behind my router and translated
VOIP for the old phones. All is working so far, but my ISP is sending
+49 (for Germany) for incoming calls instead of 00 (for Germany). And
the Cisco device seems to filter out the +. So at my phones I get some |
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| _Chris_ | number starting with "49" only, which I can't call back for example. Do you have some idea to fix that? |
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| _Chris_ | Btw: The + should be 00. So +49 (seen by the ATA adapter) should be translated to 0049 for example. Or filtered out full. |
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| SlavekB | Cisco
device options seem to be quite limited. I have here a Cisco pap2t and
no useful settings regarding remapping numbers here to find :( |
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| SlavekB | Well, there seems to be some possibility of replacing in a dialplan: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/collaboration-endpoints/spa901-1-line-ip-phone/108747-pqa-108747.html |
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| _Chris_ | They
bought out sipura back then, or linksys. And still use the same
interface. The ATA supports a lot of options to tune, but this specific
option seems to be lacking. But there has to be some way. I can't
believe there isn't one. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, let me read about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Thank
you, SlavekB.That would be some option. But from what I see, that would
not change the incoming numbers. So entries in the phone would not be
mapped right. Just if someone re-call this wrong 49xxx number, it would
be mapped to 0049. Or do I miss something? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, dialplan will affect callbacks to such numbers. |
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| SlavekB | At
the same time, if the operator requires the use of 0049 for local
numbers, then dialplan can add this if you use local numbers. |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
I use already the dialplan for prefixing regional number for local
numbers. That works fine. The result I want to get for calls within my
country would be to have no 0049 before the numbers. So just like it
was.. in the old great time. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Second
problem is, that I get the caller ID in the display showed twice if I
get some call. That seems to be some problem of the operator. Or from
cisco too. |
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| SlavekB | Is it possible that one line may be attempting to display a name from a addressbook and a second line calling number? |
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| _Chris_ | No,
I just have one line working at the moment, for testing. From what I
found out it is operator specific. What he sents is interpreted from the
ATA as two call headers or something like that.. |
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| _Chris_ | Changing the operator would result in no 49 problem and no doubled caller id too. But that isn't what I want to do.. |
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| _Chris_ | This
crap starts with things like bellcore or ETSI DTMF. In Europe ETSI DTMF
should be default, but often operators simply use bellcore. But because
some boxes of the operators are build in china, for example, they can
only use bellcore and, and, and.... |
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| _Chris_ | And real IP phones often only understand bellcore, but not ETSI DTMF. |
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| _Chris_ | https://toao.net/25-linksys-ata-configuration |
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| _Chris_ | Seems the linksys people work now for "OBi" and they make good ATAs. |
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| _Chris_ | Just to say.. I got two of these Ciscos for free. They were left from some company which never used them and closed their doors. |
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| _Chris_ | And these OBi seems to support different firmware too. http://www.obifirmware.com/ |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
About the doubled calling ID/number in the display when I get the call:
If I want to save that number in the phonebook, this entry will be
prefilled with this number as "lastname" and with "number" too. So it
seems the phone thinks, it get's the lastname from the ATA too. Very
strange.. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems
the way to go will be to install some Asterisk install on my OpenWRT
router, so that connects to my operator numbers and I can fix that
caller ID bugs at this hand side. The SPA112 will connect simply then to
that Asteriks server. At least that is my theory. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, OpenWRT is a very useful thing. I also have it on my router... :) |
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| _Chris_ | I
also have some old Linksys WRT54GS v8 or so. It uses DDWRT micro build
and works as some repeater bridge. Very handy too. Some second OpenWRT
router is serving as VDR (I have 4 IP cams for the property), with some
external media on it's USB port, on which I can look with FTP in TDE or
simply stream over RTSP with kmplayer. I though about some solution to
open some framed kmplayer window in TDE, which includes 4 instances of |
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| _Chris_ | kmplayer
(for every video source) and some simple controls for controlling IR
LEDs and so on. That should be a good job for the posibilities TDE has
to offer... :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
I should simply report that bug to cisco. Because this ATA still get's
firmware fixes and it's simply just the "+" symbol, which can't be
handled. They should not filter it out, or introduce some prefix regex
option. Not that I not use the most popular operator here in Germany.
No.. :-) |
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| SlavekB | You tried to backslash it? |
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| _Chris_ | How?
Dialplan only can do something with outgoing calls. My problem still is
incoming calls. In "Fritboxes" there is some optopn to remap that.
Because they had the same problem back in the past. But now they
introduced some option for that. Cisco (like you said..) seems to be
lacking that. I g00gled hours and hours. Found a lot of people with the
same problem. No solution so far. |
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| SlavekB | Ach, of course, this cannot help on incoming calls. |
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| _Chris_ | Or I am too stupid still. :-( |
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| _Chris_ | I
am sure, cisco does not know about that problem. Because most people
are happy if their VOIP works with this ATA in common, so this little
bug is not a problem for them. But I have this attitude to do things
perfect. So this makes me sad.. |
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| _Chris_ | That looks interesting. Seems there is a way the hack into the linux on this device. |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.insentricity.com/a.cl/277/unlocking-a-cisco-spa122-for-use-with-any-provider |
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| luke-jr | ==17820==ERROR:
AddressSanitizer: dynamic-stack-buffer-overflow on address
0x7ffd8f8d75d2 at pc 0x7f3d376db355 bp 0x7ffd8f8d7580 sp 0x7ffd8f8d7570 |
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| luke-jr | got an email that reproduces this |
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| luke-jr | but not one I can pass on :x |
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| luke-jr | annoying that addresssanitizer doesn't let me break in gdb :/ |
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| MicheleC | quick
check: does anyone use the tdefilereplace utility? if so, do you use
results -> create report functionality? and load/save strings from/to
file? |
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| MicheleC | I am planning to do changes to the format use and make it simpler in R14.1.0 |
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| pitriss | tdereplace? what thats for? something like sed -i with gui? |
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| pitriss | But I guess I already answered to Micheles question with my question :D |
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| MicheleC | @pitriss:
tdefilereplace is a gui utility to search for strings in files and
eventually to replace text if necessary. supports multistring search |
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| MicheleC | not bad for a quick search across lot of folders |
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| pitriss | MicheleC: thanks for explaining.. for searching htrough multiple file I'm using find or grep -ir :) |
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| MicheleC | ack is far better than grep ;-) |
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| MicheleC | and ack + perl is a great combination too |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: What do you want to change in tdefilereplace? Or better why? :-) |
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| MicheleC | Hi Chris. string save files have a lot of CDATA sections, not easy to read. Much better with simplified version |
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| MicheleC | old version: |
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| MicheleC | <replacement> <oldstring><![CDATA[bb]]></oldstring> <newstring><![CDATA[]]></newstring></replacement> |
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| MicheleC | new version: |
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| MicheleC | <replacement> <oldstring>bb</oldstring> <newstring></newstring></replacement> |
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| MicheleC | will write more about other changes after dinner |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I see. So that would be wonderfull. But old files could be trashed then, if someone has some preserved files, right? |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Good dinner. |
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| pitriss | And it looks like it shouldn't be difficult to make conversion script from old to new format |
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| MicheleC | In
this particular case we are lucky and there is no need for conversion
scripts, since the DOM loader is able to read both versions without
issues. |
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| MicheleC | this change is already in the master branch |
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| _Chris_ | Sounds like a good solution! |
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| MicheleC | in
addition to this I am planning to add save/load for search result. This
would be useful when searching through 200k files and then having to
look at all of the found result files one by one. This usually may take a
long time and need to be splitted over various sessions, so save/load
will help a lot |
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| MicheleC | I am unsure whether to remove the code of the current "create result report". It seems quite useless to me.... |
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| pitriss | IMO
this is just weird use case.. For searching over huge ammount of text
files there is plenty fulltext searching engines:) But ok:) |
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| MicheleC | search
is no problem. What is useful is to be able to save and continue as
required. in tdefilereplace you can remove analyzed files one by one
from the result list ;-) |
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| MicheleC | btw, I haven't yet pushed the change for the string save file, still on my computer... |
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| pitriss | Ok
ok.. I really don't care as I don't use this thingy:) There is plenty
ways how to deal with such cases..:) Mine is find/grep, I can survive
even with fulltext over some directory when needed (Still didn't
happened even I have more than 5TB storage) so I'm fiune:) |
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| pitriss | fine* |
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| MicheleC | sure, no problem (y) |
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| _Chris_ | selk: How wonderfull. You are here again. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
some days ago, here was some guy/girl/non-human who asked about the
musl support of TDE. I recalled that you played with it because you
wanted to support TDE within Dragora. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you link to your work (if possible) or can you give some tips about that? :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: LOL such shame.. you should respect non binary genders too and name them all there :D |
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| pitriss | Sorry for sarcasm, I couldn't help myself.. btw hi :D |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | TDE is gender friendly. New way of communication. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And they are 60 different ones now. Facebook proved that. |
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| _Chris_ | https://de.wikimannia.org/60_Geschlechtsidentit%C3%A4ten |
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| _Chris_ | That's just the begining. They all need own toilets too. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But besides of that. Would be wonderfull if you could report something about that musl progress, selk. :-) |
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| pitriss | LOL yeah now we should start building schools with 1 class and 73 types of toilets there :D |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, I am setting up this new Lenovo machine here with TDE and used
some KDE4 with the live DVD of Gentoo and just noticed how bad KDE is
now in difference to TDE. You just notice it in details like that you
can't setup a new tab in Konsole by some click away out of the box. Or
that the titlebar and such all is not seperated, but integrated/blended
all together. Or this "notifications", which seems to be normal these
days ( |
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| _Chris_ | never
used them until now, never missed them, because simple little popups or
windows are working fine). Or the menu/kicker. It looks nice at first,
but you have to click much more to open some application. Just
interesting how things are still bad. |
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| pitriss | things are bad and awaiting to become worse |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
fun will start if the national economy will be hurt. When authorities
will force companies to build this type of different toilets and so on.
Might sound stupid, but will be some interesting time. Here in Germany
some towns had already this type of problems. They build toilets because
some very loud people forced them mentaly to offer them. That have cost
a lot of money, but nearly no one is using it. Same for the third
gender |
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| _Chris_ | in your ID. Only a hand full of people are using it. |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
It's good that TDE at least is resisting to follow these "trends". Some
thing what could be such a breaking points could be wayland support. I
really appeal to TDE devs, or better tim to make GTK3 or other things to
offer wayland support optional for people still using X in future. But
maybe xwayland will be so good in near future, that some native port
could be obsolete. |
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| pitriss | heh gender on the ID should be not peoples option but biological thing.. |
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| _Chris_ | No, not in Germany. |
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| _Chris_ | And
at the same time.. EU is dictating me how much energy my vacuum cleaner
has to use, to be allowed to sell. Or how long my coffee machine is
allowed to heat my coffee. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| pitriss | thats stupid.. electric kettles with limited power consumption |
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| _Chris_ | Don't
get me wrong. It's okay to save energy and such. But that has to come
from peoples own mind. I don't like these forcing things. That is
motivating me to show that I am good to bypass restrictions. :-) |
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| pitriss | Did these d**kheads heard at least once about some physical laws.. |
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| pitriss | 1l
of water on the same altitude needs the same ammount of energy to start
to boil no matter what.. so now to save energy you will be making your
coffee three times as long and consume the same ammount of energy |
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| _Chris_ | For
example. Here in Germany, the energy is so expensive. It's nearly most
expensive energy in the owl world. No joke. So running old machines is
some cost factor. Which is sad. Better to buy now new electronics, made
for the bin. |
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| _Chris_ | No, it's about heating the coffee, after it is hot. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, there are other solutions. But it's up to people choice to do so. |
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| pitriss | lol thats something new about how long coffee machine can heat the coffee.. |
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| pitriss | Last time i noticed that bs with vacuum cleaners and electric kettles |
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| _Chris_ | For
example, I don't really like to light my house with only LED. I really
like the old light bulbs. I like their light. They are banned in the EU.
But I host a whole room of them because of that. As long as I pay my
energy bills, that should be my own choice. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: What is your country, if you want to say? |
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| pitriss | In czech you can buy them as "heat source for terrariums" |
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| pitriss | Czech |
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| _Chris_ | Right, that is some trick! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | They just say 98% heating energy and side effect is 2% light. |
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| _Chris_ | But that will be banned too. |
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| pitriss | And
to be honest LEDs still have limited power cycles and in rooms where
you can't let them light long enough have serious troubles.. eg on
toilets |
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| _Chris_ | The EU is GNOME for thinking. |
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| _Chris_ | No joke. |
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| pitriss | And yes I prefer old light bulbs too..:) |
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| _Chris_ | Ruling software projects has a lot in common with politics. |
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| _Chris_ | Just you don't have some TDE as alternative to your country.. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | I just recall the discussions back then in GNOME. A lot of pages, about how some icon should be or not. |
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| _Chris_ | Back
then I joked: I some years, they will say colors are not minimalistic
enough. Today: KDE3, GNOME3, Win 10 - All use monochrome icons. :-) |
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| pitriss | you forgot how terrible Android looks now |
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| _Chris_ | So today, I say: In some years, they will only show some letter in some color, or monochrome. We will see. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, how was it called.. |
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| pitriss | on display that can draw all colors possible in HD, we are using black white and 4 shades of gray.. |
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| _Chris_ | But history has shown something. If ever some force will be to powerfull or to present, some countermovement will develop. |
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| _Chris_ | So
I hope of that. Some years later, in some place. There will be someone
with his nice colored theme and people will say: "Wow, look for that.
How beautifull!" :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Like
MP3 Players. This simple things. This generation is not knowing them.
But show them one. Often they find them very nice. Simple to use. Not
fear to get them stolen. No problem with touch. Or tablets or
PDA/Smartphones with some stylus. Back in the days oldschool. Today
often people think that is "new" and like it. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: pitriss, do you know some way to integrate some fingerprinter within TDE? |
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| pitriss | fingerprinter? |
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| pitriss | Eww few years back it was possible by standard PAM |
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| pitriss | As friend had sudo autentificated by fingerprint |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Yes, that is the last thing I read here too. It should simply work with TDM, but without any visual feedback. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, I am fine-tuning a new kernel config for a new machine. Always
a fun to g00gle and investigate any of all the kernel options. And
always funny to find new places for tuning. Today this one. https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10911825/ - I have just found it. Seems this workaround was only for GCC 3 and with GCC 4 and up it is safe to use it. |
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| _Chris_ | And
most if not all fingerprinters in Laptops were from authentec. Now
apple owns this company, like nearly all who build fingerprinters. Apple
only now. |
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| _Chris_ | But
irony here again: Kernel grows up by a lot year to year. And now they
are happy about nearly 4% of less space it needs. Funny. Same for LTO.
If that really works for the kernel, they will just push other things
in, so that space will be wasted again. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Funny thing. |
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| _Chris_ | The new machine, when I boot from it, with my new kernel it boots, but is not showing any picture, or console, or anything. |
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| _Chris_ | But only if I press enter instantly at grub2 selection. |
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| _Chris_ | If I wait the 5 seconds at grub, it will boot with picture. |
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| _Chris_ | And
yes, all is working, I just don't see any picture. If I enter my root
pass, without seeing anything and enter "reboot", the machine will
reboot normaly. So that can verify the fact all is working except
picture. With nouveau driver here. Anyone have a clue what could be
wrong here? :-) |
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| pitriss | nouveau is sometimes weird.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes.
I know. My other sony machine knows that. I have to pass "noapic" to
the kernel, to let it boot. Nouveau people don't know why. We had some
talk at the IRC some.. year ago, or so. But they are very nice people
otherwise. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
NVidia Geforce 7300 GO in here. These ones with ROHS solder, which
breaks with too much hot/cold cycles. So I resoldered that BGA and it
works fine again. New machine, which runs Gentoo now, without going to
the bin. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But NVidia stopped to care about their propritary drivers, so I am happy to use nouveau now. There is no other choice. |
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| pitriss | ROHS solder is worst PITA ever |
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| _Chris_ | mirda: Modeset should be only option with nouveau. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems to be some timing problem. If I wait between 5 and 10 seconds within grub, there will be a picture, but before, not. |
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| _Chris_ | Picture will not shown at the login prompt too. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: What init are you using? Maybe it needs some time to initialize properly and parallel startup just break something? |
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| _Chris_ | No, init is not in play so early. |
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| _Chris_ | But
I have some other problem now. TQt seems to have problems building
since some git commit or so. Breaks about "Could not find mkspecs for
your QMAKESPEC after trying /usr/tqt3/mkspecs /usr/tqt3/mkspecs
/usr/tqt3" - That seems to be new. |
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| _Chris_ | "Error processing project file: tools/msg2tqm/msg2tqm.pro" |
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| _Chris_ | This should be the only change since then. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tqt3/commit/tools/msg2tqm?id=ff63338d189a49a16b29a503ba23727cfa7e2e66 |
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| SlavekB | Do you use option -platform linux-g++ (or some like this) when you configure TQt? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, this is more or less the same like here. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity/blob/master/dev-qt/tqt/tqt-3.9999.ebuild |
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| _Chris_ | But I have to go AFK for some minutes now. |
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| * _Chris_ is back again. |
| * _Chris_ compiles at x86 now, to look if the problem is amd64 specific. |
| * _Chris_ confirms: "Yes, it is amd64 specific." |
| SlavekB | Cognition: I compile TQt for amd64, i386, arm64, armhf, armel, mips, powerpc, ppc64el and no problems i have noticed ;) |
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| * _Chris_ nods. |
| _Chris_ | The mips machine. Is it the older one you talked about one time? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I built mips for testing TDE on SGI Indy. |
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| SlavekB | But it's a bit of a problem - Indy has a base of 32 MiB RAM and even though I extend it to 64 MiB RAM, TDE runs slowly :) |
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| _Chris_ | Right, that was it. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, sounds funny. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I note that the processor is probably 100 MHz :) |
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| * _Chris_ ponders what could be so different on amd64, what could changed. A year ago, it worked to compile fine. |
| _Chris_ | And you compile on it too? |
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| _Chris_ | No, you doesn't right? |
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| SlavekB | I'm building on amd64 machine using qemu-user. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes. |
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| SlavekB | Building directly on Indy would be unrealistic :) |
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| _Chris_ | Building under some 600mhz K6-III+, with 512MB still works(tm). |
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| * _Chris_ found the problem. |
| _Chris_ | Defining export QTDIR="${S}" makes no sense.. |
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| _Chris_ | When it was changed with this commit, right? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tqt3/commit/mkspecs/linux-g++-64?id=3e98ce7f85f06e95ad121c6f541d14464d85919e |
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| _Chris_ | So it needs to be TQTDIR now. |
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| _Chris_ | That worked. :-) |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: congratz ;) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | :-) |
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| * Chris|Lenovo wonders if
German TDE users would be happy if "Persönlicher Ordner" (Home Icon)
would be changed to "Eigene Dateien", like in Windows and
"Speichermedien" would be changed to "Computer" (what is used in English
translation of TDE too), because otherwise the icon descriptions are
too long, so that the lines wrap in the middle of the word. |
| Chris|Lenovo | Because
it looks very unready and ugly for beginers, if their first impression
are ugly desktop icons. Feels simply not "right". This change should be
made then in all places to be consistent. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | "Speicherme-dien" it's called then. And only the the latest part wraps to the second line. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And
"Persönlicher Ordner" also is so long in German, that the default size
for the sidebar is too short to properly display it, if you don't change
it. That also hurts the "first impression" of TDE. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo:
todays users are most of time used to that android like brainwashing..
White screen, black text and 4 shades of grey |
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| pitriss | For gods sake, NO COLORS :D |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Otherwise
that would be some not trivial change, because it was ever called this
way in KDE3. But also back in the days it looked unpolished for most
German people who used KDE3 back then. But no one ever reported this as
bug it seems. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: if you feel this like bug, fix it. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss:
Yes, I know. I wrote about that some days ago here in the channel. But
that has nothing to do with that. It's simply that German translation
could be better and more polished. The translation is not wrong, but
their are better ways. Question is what weights more, the tradition,
that it was ever called this way, or the motivation to make it better
and change it to the good. I don't want that people blame me for that. I |
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| Chris|Lenovo | will do some translations in next time for German and hope that people will be happy about that. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo:
be brave. I think traditions are overrated. Windows was in czech
traditional too.. Only brave ones switched to alternatives:) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes,
but I would say TDE users are more traditional in their way in general.
We all don't like the latest changes to software, if I am not wrong. We
want to preserve here what worked for decades. So thinking about that
is not wrong, in my opinion. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Because this kind of thoughs were lacking back then by the KDE4 people.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But if people are unhappy with that, they can blame and we can talk. There will be some solution, I am sure. :-) |
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| pitriss | yes thats true.. |
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| pitriss | but i don't think that shorter, better looking translation could make such big diference |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Like
PaleMoon people changed simply to SVG for their icons, because.. It's
better. Nice one. Now I have to compile all my libs with SVG support,
and this libs will put in a lot of more libs. PNG worked fine. See what I
mean? |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| pitriss | i see. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Not as long I don't change "Speichermedien" to "Arbeitsplatz", like it is very prominent called in Windows. :-) |
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| pitriss | I don't use palemoon anymore since they switched their rendering cores.. |
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| pitriss | it was too bugged on pages I was visiting |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes, I still know your point on that. I will report you regulary how it has been in the sinking ship. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | What do you use instead of that? I don't remember. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Seamonkey? |
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| pitriss | Seamonkey: last build with alsa support |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I fear that they will change to the new firefox rendering engine and so on, if the latest ESR branch of Mozilla ends.. |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly they don't ship it with alsa any longer.. only that damn PA.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And that would mean plugin support and so on have to be removed. Same for alsa support. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, I see. It is already happening. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Seamonky people don't wanted to work with the PM team for preserving the old XUL engine. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | If they switch, you will get more or less the new FF. |
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| pitriss | I guess it would be possible to compile it myself with alsa but.. I don't want to bloat my system too much with dev packages |
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| pitriss | yeah:/ |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes. Compiling PM here takes.. a lot of time. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Time and memory.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But still using GTK2 for the browser is wonderfull. It integrates wonderfull with the tqt-gtk-engine. |
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| pitriss | yeah i bet |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By the way. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | You know about the netsurf project? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | More complete than dillo. |
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| pitriss | thats that scriptable browser? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Would be nice if could be integrated for konq. |
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| pitriss | from suckless project? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | No, look for it. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Or.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | No. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | That was.. |
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| pitriss | there was something like that |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Something other. Just with webkit engine. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | They wrote their own engine. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And it is blazing fast. Only written in C. |
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| Borg^Queen | hello humans, AIs and others! |
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| Chris|Lenovo | It really needs low ressources. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, hello Borg^Queen and others too! :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| pitriss | hey Borg^Queen.. I think there is more of "Others" than humans :D |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: we can only hope |
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| * Chris|Lenovo greets others than humans too. |
| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| Borg^Queen | ah you have a thinkpad too. They rock don't they? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes and no. It's some light variant. Lenovos own. But they use Thinkpad components partwise. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But yes, thinkpads rock. |
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| Borg^Queen | I have an old t60 64bit and it out performs most new laptops |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes, this one here is using components from the T60. I see it in lspci. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | The screen for example. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And the WLAN too. |
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| Borg^Queen | excellent |
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| pitriss | netsurf looks cool.. But still no adblock and no JS support apparently. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But the case is plastic. It's one of a lot of second hand laptops I have repaired. BGA GPUs have failed. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | No. It's not ready either. But I like the idea. Integrating that engine in konqueror would be wonderfull. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Because it has not much deps too. |
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| Borg^Queen | netsurf does have promise |
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| Borg^Queen | Chris|Lenovo: that's actually a good idea. It would bring konqueror back as a great web browser. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes
and it's lightweigh and not as bloated as webkit or so. And it's not
changing all the day it's interfaces. That would be possible to
maintaine for TDE. |
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| Borg^Queen | very true, all good points |
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| Chris|Lenovo | YT
or so don't work on it at the moment. But that will be better in
future. I am sure. But a step forward from the default engine of
konqueror. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | They
also use some lib for HTML, some for CSS, some for JS. They all can be
used without the other. So clean design. That shows that it is possible
still in 2019 to make some fully featured browser without bloat. |
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| Borg^Queen | true |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Okay, it is not supporting all things. But I am sure, in some years.. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, |
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| Borg^Queen | I would guess it would use far less ram than FF does as well. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But they use own libs for png decoding and so on sadly. Because it is written for other systems than Linux too. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes, it is really fast.. Really fast. |
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| pitriss | http://surf.suckless.org/ //i meant that.. It could be "easier" to write some "kpart" layer around that |
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| Chris|Lenovo | There are fronends for GTK and so on. That integrated with the tqt-gtk-engine also fine. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes,
that project I know pitriss. But they used webkit. And most ressources
are used by the engine these days. Reducing the GUI brings nothing these
days, sadly. |
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| pitriss | yes I know.. I meant that can be good "alternative" rendering core for konq |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, agreed |
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| pitriss | foir those who wants full featured browser connected to TDE as tight as possible |
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| pitriss | Because KHTML is far from being full featured at the moment |
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| Chris|Lenovo | For
YT I use youtube-viewer by the way. You can search and browse (also
read comments and login) into your YT account (if you have some - I
don't have one). And also play YT in your local player. Works
wonderfull. That should be ported to TQT. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Yes, that I meant too. :-) |
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| pitriss | I'm using my script for opening video links in smplayer :D |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Konqueror is good to search something fast, because of startup times still. PM loads not as fast. |
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| pitriss | And for use in seamonkey there is greasemonkey script called IIRC view-tube |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Right, that's also good. But SMPlayer still needs QT5 or so.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Yes, but for that you need to have some browser which supports the YT website. |
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| Borg^Queen | I think smplayer does have qt5? |
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| pitriss | not sure now.. But most likely yes.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Here for example I only have konqueror. But watching and browser YT works only with youtube-viewer. |
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| pitriss | I would love integration of mplayer into some tde app too |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes, smplayer needs qt5. |
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| Borg^Queen | pitriss: that would be grand |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I use mozplugger in PM, so it opens pdf in kpdf and videos in mplayer and so on too. |
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| Borg^Queen | Chris|Lenovo: I remember there was a qt5 version but I think it doesn't work yet. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Hm, Gentoo ditched Qt4. So smplayer have to use Qt5 now. I am not sure. |
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| pitriss | the same at debian.. |
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| pitriss | so devuan too as they take most packages from debian |
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| Chris|Lenovo | For mplayer GUI you can use kplayer in TDE. I use it for streaming my RTSP streams for my IPV cams. |
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| Borg^Queen | yes, smplayer here is using qt5 |
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| Borg^Queen | qt 5.12.3 |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes.
I need Qt5 anyway sadly for Telegram. Some Telegram TQt client would be
also handy. Or better some kopete integration. There is some lib for
that. At least in theory. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| pitriss | I
was used to use viber on my linux boix from their deb package.
unfortunatelly they ruined it by keep it compiled against really old
openSSL lib |
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| pitriss | At one point even using old lib and LD_ voodoo was not enough anymore |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Viber I don't know. I will look for it. :-) |
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| pitriss | communicator what my family uses..:) closedsource. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | What I don't like.. is.. discord. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Becaue more and more projects are ditching IRC now.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Or they ditch mumble support in games, for discord. |
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| pitriss | Discord is weird.. I'm using it only through bitlbee plugin |
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| Chris|Lenovo | They use some "client" which is simply some packaged chrome. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Webapp, or what it is called these days. Chromium has some libs for use it to render apps with it. I don't remember the name. |
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| pitriss | Yeah thats how whatsapp and others use too |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Electron whas it, right? |
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| pitriss | yes i guess |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Telegram
use some real client and some single lib, which could be integrated
within kopete. But it's still a lot of work. I prever to have Telegram
in favor of WA. Sure putin is reading my chats this way instead of
trump, but.. I prefer that, without any deeper sense. |
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| pitriss | and everything is hard depend on pulseaudio.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | At least they are more open source friendly, allows third party clients. |
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| pitriss | why the heck? I want to use text communication, without sound |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Telegram? No. They support still alsa! :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And.. |
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| Borg^Queen | I think alsa works fine |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly nobody near me is using telegram |
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| Borg^Queen | and bluetooth stuff can easily be made to use it |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Would be possible to switch in kopete to only text messages mode, if Telegram would be integrated. |
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| pitriss | yes.. alsa still rocks.. |
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| Borg^Queen | :). I don't hate pulseaudio I just don't like it be forced upon us. |
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| pitriss | I hate it because of that.. |
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| Borg^Queen | agreed |
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| pitriss | Why
I should add another not necessary layer that is crippling sound more,
adds more latency and have functions that I will never use |
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| pitriss | When I would prefer something on top of alsa then Jackd |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| pitriss | I used jackd but i stopped as It was unable to take benefit of 2 soundcards back in the days |
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| Borg^Queen | and now? |
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| pitriss | Not
tried.. Have no reason for it. I got used to use mpd which is not
perfect but quality of sound is good.. So I don't need to put there
equalizer and so on:) |
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| Borg^Queen | ah |
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| pitriss | And on top of it I bought quite decend speakers :) |
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| pitriss | AQ-M24 from czech company Acoustique quality.. cheap ones but they are just awesome.. |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, sometimes cheap is the way to go. |
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| Borg^Queen | Preaching to the chior here. |
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| pitriss | They are just good company who know what to do :) |
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| Borg^Queen | aye |
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| pitriss | I
was considered some 5" monitors from Mackie but.. Sound monitors
wouldn't be good to use for movies when I'm not in perfect position |
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| pitriss | As they were "nearfield" |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, I never use in monitor speakers. Never as good. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
also have no use for pulseaudio and yes, I just hate it, because you
are more and more forced to use it. I don't get anything with it. You
can set volume for every application, but.. How often you watch some
movie and listen to some music to the same time? I just stop the music
player. That works. Otherwise.. Most applications still support software
volume. That works too. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But that is again the problem of software "abstraction". There was a nice meme of that. But I don't have it at the moment. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | The
idea of abstraction is nice. But the dark side you will feel when you
depend on that so badly. And at this point, they will change to the bad
and you are forced to swim with them. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo:
I think its not just coincidence that PA and SystemD are from the same
author and both are enforced in such brutal way |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Because
of that problem less and less private people are writing open source
software. Back in the days, you wrote something. Like xcdroast. And it
worked a decade and more, without any change. That gave motivation.
Today, with modern frameworks, your code will break very fast. Same for
themes. See all the unhappy GTK3 theme creators. Breaking themes with
every update. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes,
Lennart, or Lennard, of how he is called is someone special. Back to
KDE3 days - There was something which was called "Portaudio". |
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| Chris|Lenovo | It's interesting. No one cared about it. But it has grown to what today is "PulseAudio". |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And
it was interesting to read what Lennard wrote on the mailinglists back
to the KDE3 days. Because he had his dream on his own already to that
time. But people laught on him, more or less. |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm going to lurk for a while as I need to work :( |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And today, LennardOS is reality. :-) |
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| pitriss | I hate systemD that they broken Debian community |
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| Borg^Queen | so I'll be silent. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Borg^Queen: See you! :-) |
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| pitriss | see you Borg^Queen |
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| Borg^Queen | systemD is the devil |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll be here just not replying. I don't want to be rude so I wanted to let you guys know why. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | It's okay as alternative, but nothing more. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Borg^Queen: Yes, thank you for the information. |
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| Borg^Queen | :) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By
the way. Latest xine-lib changes breaks amarok and kaffeine
compilation. Yes, that can be reported to the bugtracker. But just had
the feel to report it in the round. |
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| SlavekB | By
the way, I often run different music sources at the same time and
always require that each application has its own volume settings.
However, this is nothing I need pulse-audio. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By the way: Wayland will be something we will learn to hate in some years too. If they want to take us our X too. |
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| SlavekB | Amarok uses xine on alsa => has its own volume setting. |
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| SlavekB | Kaffeine uses xine on alsa => has its own volume setting. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | SlavekB: Interesting. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Right, this way I am doing it too. |
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| SlavekB | Some videos in Palemoon also has its own volume settings. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But that about xine-lib was not related to PA or so. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes, also true. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But from what I have seen, TDE supports some PA backend too. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
the volume setting must be offered by each application, not in one
place in kmix. But that's a thing that doesn't bother me at all. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | There was, or still ise also apulse. I used it for skype, before MS switched to this new web based client. |
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| * Chris|Lenovo misses Skype 2.x which used Qt3. |
| * Chris|Lenovo likes to write in third person. Reminds him on his MMORPG time. |
| pitriss | lol |
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| pitriss | Your majesty Chris von Lenovo |
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| * pitriss hides |
| pitriss | :D |
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| * Chris|Lenovo giggles. |
| Chris|Lenovo | Yes,
I had my own guild. With a fantastic CMS on base on phpBB2 back then.
Todays forum software is more and more transformed into some mobile app
too, sadly. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | If someone has seen phpBB4 already. You will be shocked. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By the way, that is some nice example of bad abstraction. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | phpBB3
is using symphony framework for php. Back then in phpBB2, it used it's
own little.. classes. That weren't any real classes, but the idea behind
that. Own function files. And with very little changes, you will be
still able to run phpBB2 with PHP7.3. I know that, because I do that.
But phpBB3 quits at PHP5. Why? Because the symphone framework, on that
phpBB3 depends only supports PHP 5.6 or so. Fxies? No. You would need to |
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| Chris|Lenovo | rebuild
owl symphony framework. Updating phpBB3 for the new symphone would be
like rewriting phpBB3. So that brings.. software abstraction. Best
example so far. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And benchmarks were often more bad than before change to symfony. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok time to go. Need to go onsite for a repair. See you lads / lasses |
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| mutantturkey | Chris|Lenovo: i don't think there's good PA backend support |
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| mutantturkey | would be great to replace ARTs with pulseaudio at this point |
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| mutantturkey | since pulse basically 'just works' in the past 4 years. |
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| mutantturkey | did take a look at it once but never got done with it. |
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| mutantturkey | 90% of the point of arts was to just be a sound mixer for alsa. |
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| pitriss | If you define "works" as "generate unnecessary latency for no reason" then indeed :D |
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| mutantturkey | not any worse than arts |
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| mutantturkey | and that you can take to the bank. |
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| SlavekB | ...while pulse-audio we would use as a mixer for alsa;) |
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| mutantturkey | SlavekB: yeah, but some things only work with pulse these days -> bluetooth headphones, etc. |
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| SlavekB | Why do we want to exchange one interface over alsa with another interface over alsa? |
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| pitriss | Not true.. these things works also with pure alsa.. And arts is also tied to TDE and more lightweight |
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| mutantturkey | the question should be: how does also fail to solve many problems? |
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| mutantturkey | pitriss: 'more lightweight' lol. |
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| pitriss | Arts over pulse.. for sure:) |
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| mutantturkey | pitriss:
if you can find me a way to do realtime audio mixing with alsa that
doesn't stinky, lets me adjust volme per input, etc, has bluetoooth
support |
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| mutantturkey | i am all for it. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Arts could be nice to have when BSD support works good. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Because OSS doesn't allow software mixing still, from what I know. |
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| mutantturkey | sane routing tools and switching sinks is also dope in PA. |
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| pitriss | mutantturkey: mixing/routing was done way earlier in Jackd without that insane latency :) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | PA support could be a build option in TDE, but replacing arts.. Is such a thing again. |
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| mutantturkey | pitriss: yeah, i use jack for all my audio production stuff. |
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| mutantturkey | but again, jack's routing, etc isn't really a normal use case |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I only used jack one time. For using projectM. |
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| mutantturkey | 50ms -100ms is like, acceptable for audio latency i think |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But that works now in Amarok, with libvisual. |
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| pitriss | mutantturkey: not when you have exactly 0 gain from such latency |
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| mutantturkey | (Pulse also works with OSS). |
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| mutantturkey | hardware -> pulse -> userspace. |
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| mutantturkey | to me, that's not an insane architecture, and is exactly what arts does as well. |
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| mutantturkey | except one is maintained and has a featureset not matched by arts. |
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| pitriss | I don't use neither.. Arts, pulse, jack.. no use here for such things. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | We could just add some output plugin for PA to arts. Just a joke. :-) |
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| mutantturkey | i use pulse, have to for my headset pluse i like having multi app volume control etc. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Arts -> Pulse -> Alsa. |
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| mutantturkey | Chris|Lenovo: right |
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| * Chris|Lenovo giggles. |
| mutantturkey | so you could probably make arts a thin wrapper |
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| mutantturkey | IE just open a new alsa pulse stream instead of talking directly to also |
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| mutantturkey | so basically you would write a pulse backend for arts. |
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| pitriss | to be honest, some polished apulse would be awesome to minimize impact of that ridiculous plague called pulse everywhere |
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| pitriss | I don't need more that alsa actually provides.. with decent soundcard you don't even need asoundrc with mixing configured. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | As
long as existing functionality is not touched, I am open for all. I
understand, that PA is of use for some people. But for other people it
is of use. But choice is the idea about TDE. |
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| mutantturkey | i really really don't like lennart pottering but |
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| mutantturkey | pulse solves a problem |
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| mutantturkey | same problem arts was trying to solve |
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| SlavekB | BTW: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/akode/src/branch/master/akode/plugins/pulse_sink |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By
the way. For system notifications it's also nice to have arts.
Otherwise you need to run some program to output sound all of the time. |
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| mutantturkey | SlavekB: yeah, seems pretty simple |
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| mutantturkey | though, i think for jack, alsa, etc they're all respectively pretty simple to stream audio to |
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| pitriss | for
me this is not a problem at all.. And for many more around me.. They
know why they didn'T did apulse by themselves.. It would slow spreading
such plague:( |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Right.
I recalled there was something. And there was someone maintaining some
KDE3 branch for opensuse. He wrote some plugin for arts to support PA
too. |
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| mutantturkey | pitriss: lol |
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| Chris|Lenovo | He is called sergei, or something like that. |
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| mutantturkey | SlavekB: how ya been? |
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| pitriss | I
just hate unnecessary things in my system. PA, Systemd.. all of these
solve problem I never encountered.. so why should I be forced to use it?
I switched to linux just to have an option. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I think no one has real a problem with pulse or systemd, as long as support for different choices is not cripped. |
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| pitriss | exactly Chris|Lenovo |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Just remind you on what I wrote some hours ago about thinking twice, to do something "better". |
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| pitriss | yeah.. I got your point. |
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| SlavekB | Note: I'll be back in a few hours... |
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| Chris|Lenovo | That is exacly what I mean. So talking about changes before they are simply done is important. |
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| pitriss | I wish TDE working without issues on BSD.. I would gladly have it in dualboot and slowly learning things about ports etc. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
never used more than two sound cards. One over usb, some headset and
some other simply my main card. So I were never into that audio things.
But I would not like to see if people using.. let's say 10 soundcards or
some special setup would be discriminated too in the form that all
would be restricted to the "normal" use case. |
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| * Chris|Lenovo nods. |
| pitriss | sadly
linux is becoming hostile to anyone who like to have simple and working
OS. These "lets save them by forcing something" actions just make me
upset. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Me too, pitriss. Would be some Gentoo BSD then! :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Exactly
the same reason. But BSD is so tightly integrated. See clang, for
example. I don't know if that would make happy. But I am not really into
BSD. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I mean the fact that BSD is working on userspace and kernel at the same time and in fact releasing booth together. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By the way......... |
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| pitriss | Yes but is that bad? It works, they have documented bugs, so you can mitigate their impact..:) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | When I have looked right, I have noticed some days ago someone has remvoed automake support from some TDE apps. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Some of the cmake ports are still not working right. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Has pros and cons. As far as choice is considered, that could be bad in future.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But I don't know much about that in reality. So it might be no problem. |
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| pitriss | I
just know how I'm upset when some linux thing is trying to be smarter
than root. Back in the time eg Xorg autodetection not obeying xorg.conf |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Right, I can recall that good.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | HAL strikes back. :-) |
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| pitriss | that was so stupid.. It was frustrating as hell.. As far as I know, on BSD they trying to limit that:) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | As far as I know.. |
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| pitriss | Unfortunatelly I have no BSD installed.. ..yet.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | HAL is in BSD still the thing of the future. No joke. At least HAL is needed for BSD for running TDE still. |
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| pitriss | KDE 3.5 was running on BSD.. so I still hope for TDE :) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But BSD is using Xorg too. Doesn't they have the same problem back then? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes,
from what I have read and seen (There were screens in the release news
on the TDE website), it works. But there are many things which are still
not working right. And BSD moves on too.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But TDE runs on OpenIndiana (Solaris) again. |
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| mutantturkey | well i think there's a clear pitch for PA |
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| mutantturkey | (especially if you have arts installed already) |
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| mutantturkey | SystemD is a - excuse my language - clusterfuck. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Is there any reason, why kaffeine builds only with cdio-paranoia instead of the older and original cdparanoia? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Is it so hot too in your countries? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By
the way: Second system here which runs really 64bit kernel. And I can
feel the difference. You can mostly feel it in the browser, but I mean
in TDE too. That from someone who still prefer 32Bit installs otherwise. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | SlavekB: tqdbusconnection.h - From what package is that file? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, I think it's part of the tdehw, right? Because I missed that, I just noticed. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | No, delete that last part. That was bullshit. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Seems that error from tdepowersave comes because I build with automake. |
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| SlavekB | BTW, here you can see overview of cmake conversion status: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/9 |
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| Chris|Lenovo | SlavekB:Thank you. :-) |
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| SlavekB | As a dependent issue you can see overview for removal of the automake stuff. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | SlavekB: Do you use TDE master branch and can verify tdepowersave works for you? Changing the backlight? |
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| SlavekB | I use stable branch == preliminary stable builds. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Because I don't know if this is a hardware specific problem, or not. But I will try to find out. |
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| SlavekB | For backlight, the tdehw dbus daemon must work properly for you. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | "/sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" is here and works with some input. So, yes. Maybe it's dbus related. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | At least tdepowersave says: TDE hardware subsystem: active. |
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| SlavekB | d-feet is good tool to verify access to dsus methods as an ordinary user. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And changing brightness: Supported. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Feedback
for that error message, if you want to mount some device and get: "No
supported mounting methods were detected on your system" - That is very
helpfull. Really. Much better as "Can't mount device.". |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Is
anyone running the gtk3-tqt-engine with never GTK3 than 3.14? Because I
read that after this version, support for theming engines were removed
and people are forced to only use CSS. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: no idea.. but in general, CSS could be enough when classes in the UI are well defined |
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| Chris|Lenovo | *newer |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
don't use GTK3, but some time ago I read about that. And a lot of
people were angry, because they wanted to ditch support for GTK3 theming
engines, simply before the change to GTK3. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | *GTK4 |
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| pitriss | In fact css could have chance to be more resilient to some design changes |
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| pitriss | of course depends on your subset of things redefined :) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | My
personal opinion is.. CSS is something for designing websites. And
nothing more. This all follows the trend, next DEs will be just some
websites, which are renderer by some big webkit engines. Nothing native
anymore. |
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| pitriss | I can't agree with that thing about CSS only for webpages |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But
ditching something such important with some minor release..
that is really bad and sad. I don't get, why no one forked GTK2. There
were a lot of projects loving it and using it. |
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| pitriss | Its really good when used properly to any theming as it allows to use images, colors, fonts etc |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: I know, therefore I said it's my personal opinion. Maybe I am wrong. It just feels wrong for me. |
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| pitriss | It can support gradients, it can make corners round so.. |
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| pitriss | It should be decent for theming.. if they don't mess its implementation |
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| pitriss | Also..
that cascading is really nice to have as you can just define base
color, then change smaller subset of items, finetune parts of any item
etc.. |
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| pitriss | So you don't need to define each thing again and again |
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| pitriss | On other hand.. dev of such app really need to know what he does..:) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
never made some themes for regular theming engines, so I am not into
that. That my fear is, that there is a lot more interpreting ressources
for these CSS styles, than with native theming engines. Same like
changing from PNG to SVG. With KDE4 there were benchmarks, that it just
sucks speed. |
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| pitriss | svg is really overkill.. I can agree with that |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I just compare SVG to CSS by that. |
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| pitriss | css is in fact lightweight.. as you can inherit many things from parent element :) |
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| pitriss | so when implementation is well done, then it can be really easy to change anything in the app without much hassle. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But from what I know the gtk3-tqt-engine never were perfect anyway. |
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| pitriss | CSS is used in kopete in those advanced themes.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, interesting. That is something I was not aware of. :-) |
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| pitriss | In fact that message part is web..:) |
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| pitriss | so you can do literally antything you can imagine with that theme :) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | My definition of web seems to be more traditional. Just anything what is done within your browser.. is.. web. :-) |
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| pitriss | yeah.. could be.. but for me web => html + css |
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| Chris|Lenovo | The virtual machine.. they call "browser" today. :-) |
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| pitriss | so yeah our definitions are different |
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| Chris|Lenovo | You see what you get from that trends. See skype and their bulky electron client. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I just hope that will not be the future. |
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| pitriss | I hate these |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But
if you see QML and so, it starts all will be interpreted. If ressources
will be bigger and bigger, they will start to write KDE6 in python. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I am sceptical for trends in their begining. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But it's just sad, that they not ditched these support for themes just with GTK4. |
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| pitriss | I
quite love such customization in chat clients so html/xml + css are
good otion as it allows to be creative and make it nice to your eyes.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes, I am not against such additons for app specific themes/designs. Or in general, when there is some option to do that in CSS. |
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| pitriss | I
don't miss that thing in konversation as its default is nice, but with
such trend it would be quite easy to set it the way it is now:) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But like systemd, things start to getting strange, when other support is removed.. |
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| pitriss | And my setup of conversation is quite simple.. my messages are dark blue, other black, server messages in red, topic in orange. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | In some years, they will remove theming support fully. |
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| pitriss | Yeah.. thats not nice at all.. (systemd) but of course.. GUI themed by css is not even close to what systremd does |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I just say that. Let's see if I am right. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Black and white icons and taskbars don't need themes, you know? |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Just like menus don't need icons anymore. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | GTK3 greets you. |
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| pitriss | I like more like hidden menus, small icons on top |
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| Chris|Lenovo | It's all about choice. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | By
the way. I am playing to make liquid weather++ superkaramba widget
working again. Weather.com and BBC weather have deactivated their
weather XML api since 2011. I am looking now for some replacement. Do
you know a good one? openweather? |
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| pitriss | wait sec.. |
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| pitriss | apixu.com |
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| pitriss | Easy to use, bindings to many languages, and quite accurate |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Let me look for that. :-) |
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| pitriss | and on top of all of these good options.. you can select what will appear on api |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Nice, but I will need a specific key for using the API, right? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Or signup. |
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| pitriss | yes.. you need to register there |
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| Chris|Lenovo | If
I get that widget to work again, I wanted to share it. But other people
would be using all the same account then. Or they need to signup up and
change out their key. |
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| pitriss | Nope |
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| pitriss | You just need to let them to use their key |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes,
that I meant. The widget was not made in that way. But maybe key
sharing will work anyway. CyanogenMOD people did this for their widget
back in the days. And that worked years. Until yahoo changed their mind
on that.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But I will try to use this service. Thank you! :-) |
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| pitriss | https://pastebin.com/9VJ51LnA |
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| pitriss | my quick parser of current weather |
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| pitriss | actually with hardcoded city |
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| pitriss | but it should be easy to accept city as parameter.. or it maybe does |
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| pitriss | I wrote that thingy in a 20 minutes something like 3 months ago |
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| pitriss | Its enough for me to test accuracy of that service |
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| pitriss | Oh i actually implemented :D |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Thank you. Yes, I have to do that in python for that widget, but anyway, all good. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I just use your key. Thank you! :-) |
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| * Chris|Lenovo giggles. |
| pitriss | isn't possible to just call any script from python? |
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| pitriss | lol i forgot i in comment :D |
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| pitriss | *it |
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| pitriss | lol |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Good point. But I have to closer look how I will handle that. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | The 10.000 API calls will work for two people too. :-D |
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| pitriss | So you can provide "GUI" on that script, then define form of input for that GUI and script what will feed gui by data |
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| pitriss | LOL don't tease me or I revoke it LOL |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Right, this way it is done in the widget. With PyTQt. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | https://web.archive.org/web/20100612150918/http://liquidweather.net// |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Nice. Because PaleMoon changed to SVG with their icons, these icons aren't replaced with TDEs icons with the gtk-tqt-engine. |
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| mlsmith | Hey everyone |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mlsmith: Hello. :-) |
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| mlsmith | I'm
really enjoying 14.0.6 right now. It's strange how our minds evolve
over time. I didn't like KDE 3.X when I was younger. After using almost
every DE and window manager available, I'm feeling quite at home with
TDE. |
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| mlsmith | I'd say "I'm surprised TDE is not more popular" but that might actually be a bad thing. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Interesting. How do you mean that? :-) |
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| mlsmith | Because
when you gain a huge following/community things get a bit unwieldy in
terms of support and expectations of the community. |
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| mlsmith | At least from what I've seen over the years |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Most
distributions are against integrating old tqt. That is the reason TDE
is not included. Also some people from KDE are spreading bad things
about TDE. You can notice it, if you read some news portals comments. |
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| mlsmith | I guess I'm in the dark because I don't follow that news. What kind of negative things? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Often
I wish Linux would be less popular than it is, or was back then. Maybe
the route which OSS software has gone would be avoided this way. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | No, I simply mean the announcements, about 14.0.6 or so. There is the old dev of kwin for example. The original author. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | He claims that TDE is full of bugs and security problems and, and, and. |
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| mlsmith | Are his claims true? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | His comments are often under such news in some portals. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes and no. It's just a different view. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Might be true that some bugfixes from upstream KDE are not backported still. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But in reality.. No TDE user was ever hacked or such things. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Back in the days, this security hype was very different. |
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| mlsmith | Does that usually take a while because the code needs to be changed to be compatible with TDE legacy code? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | No really - Often KDE5 is using still compatible code from KDE 3.5. |
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| mlsmith | Oh ok |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But from my point of view it is simply the fact, that there is not enough manpower. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | To watch for all fixes which might affect TDE too. |
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| mlsmith | Is there some way to automate it perhaps? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
did the fun for some applications and watch if some fixed could be
backported. Yes. But you need to constantly watch and patch. That will
be done often, but not instantly and so on. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
don't know if that would be the right way. At the end some human (or
other races :-)) have to verify and look deeper if some patch makes
sense. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But this is theory. In real life this all don't affect any user. |
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| mlsmith | Makes
sense. I wonder if the development workflow was streamlined a bit it
might make it easier for people to package, patch, contribute, etc.? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | In
theory browsing with konqueror is riskfull. But no one will hack you
for this. That is the reason I let my Linux kernel running without all
this spectre fixes. I know about the risk. But I don't want to slow down
my machine. I know what I am doing. It's all about choice. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But
things are getting better. TDE has now the TDE workplace (some kind of
self hosted github) and weblate (for easy contributing translations). |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But about this guy from KDE. Seems he simply.. hates TDE. Or what ever. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | He wanted to forke the TDE project to use his KDE4/5 KWin. |
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| mlsmith | What guy? |
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| mlsmith | The kwin dev? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | So that TDE users just have to install the whole kdeframeworks 5 things, just to run KWin inside TDE. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
don't know his name exactly. greaslin or something like that. Often you
see his name under announcements about a new version of TDE in this
news portals. I know him, if I see the name. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | He just have a different view. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | TDE is free to decide to use their fork of the old KDE3 KWin. |
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| acjones8 | Yeah.
To follow up on the security part, you need to define what's called a
"threat model". Basically, who you're trying to protect yourself from. |
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| acjones8 | TDE
/ KDE 3.5 is such a large project that there's no way there aren't any
security bugs hidden *somewhere*. It's pretty much impossible to squash
them all in a project this large |
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| Chris|Lenovo | He
quoted a lof things, which might be bad about the old KWin. He might be
right. But it worked perfectly for KDE3 and is working perfectly for
TDE people. Also for me. And it is fast. |
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| acjones8 | And
if you're trying to keep yourself safe from an authoritarian government
or something, it's probably insecure because they could theeoretically
devote the resources to finding such a flaw |
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| acjones8 | But
in practical terms, nobody uses TDE, and no hacker is going to spend
all the time it takes reading through this project's code to develop an
exploit targetting a community of probably a few hundred people
worldwide, if that. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | acjones8: Exactly. |
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| mlsmith | acjones8, the community is that small huh? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Choice
is much more important is my opinion. Power of choice lead to bad
decisions, but that's okay. Better than some perfect project, which
destroys all choice, like systemd. TDE is some option more for people
and that is great. |
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| acjones8 | Plus,
as a pentester, if I were trying to hack someone, I'd go after the
weakest link in their chain. Usually, that's the router from their ISP
with "admin" as the password, or tricking them through social
engineering to hand over a password or something. Targeting their
desktop environment is tricky and non-standard, and there's no point
devoting that effort if there's an easier way. |
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| mlsmith | Right,
unless you were being targeted by a government as you mentioned but
then you're probably screwed no matter what you're using |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mlsmith:
No and yes. I really like the community of TDE. The people here are
more or less knowing each other and they seems to be compatible. That is
often much better than some bigger project and people are fighting each
other, so this leads to a fork, or something like KDE4 happens. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | acjones8:
True words. You can inject code if you use some old dated xpdf bugd in
kpdf for example.. But.. Why do that? If someone does that, you will get
you at some point anyway. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | *he |
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| mlsmith | Chris|Lenovo: Do you use Devuan or a BSD? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | How comes you ask specific for that two variants? :-) |
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| mlsmith | You mentioned systemd in a bad light so I assume you're not using Debian. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I wrote about my Linux kernel. So BSD is not logical, right? :-) |
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| mlsmith | Good point |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I use Gentoo on all my machines. |
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| mlsmith | ah ok |
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| Chris|Lenovo | So
Linux. But BSD could be some target in some years, if Linux goes in a
bad direction more. And I just hope TDE runs fine under BSD then. It
runs under Solaris/OpenIndiana it seems too. |
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| acjones8 | Plus,
using Trinity on a BSD is fairly difficult. I've tried it before, a few
years ago, and I couldn't get it to compile properly. Though maybe it's
been patched to work in the meantime? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mlsmith: Why you ask? |
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| mlsmith | I was just curious because I could tell you didn't care for systemd so I assumed you weren't using Debian |
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| Chris|Lenovo | acjones8:
Yes, it was patched and get's patched still form time to time. In the
last release there was some screenshot made under BSD, with TDE running.
But some things still don't work. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mlsmith: Gentoo is using OpenRC. But systemd is some option. TDE supports all. |
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| mlsmith | I know. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | What are you using? :-) |
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| acjones8 | Cool, maybe I have to revisit that attempt then. I'd love to be able to use FreeBSD on my ThinkPad instead of Debian... |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, another ThinkPad fan. Wonderfull. |
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| mlsmith | Right
now I'm using Q4OS as a quick way to test drive TDE. I downloaded the
latest ubuntu based image too. But, I may have to give Gentoo a try as
well. |
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| mlsmith | Although, I may not be smart enough to start with Gentoo. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mlsmith:
You need to have fun to experiment a bit, if you want to run TDE under
Gentoo. If you want something more stable and don't have some spare
time, I would prefer Devuan. With TDE repos then. |
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| acjones8 | Oh
cool! Yeah man, I love retro ThinkPads. Currently using an X61t, which I
use for work stuff, though I've also got an old X60t for playing around
with. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | You will learn a lot with Gentoo. But it consumes time. |
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| mlsmith | Yeah, that's something I don't have much of right now unfortunately. |
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| acjones8 | Newer
ones aren't half bad either, considering something like an A485 perhaps
when my X61t can no longer deal with my CS workloads. Alas, need to
wait for the prices to come down... |
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| mlsmith | Maybe someday in the future I'll get to know Gentoo better |
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| Chris|Lenovo | acjones8:
Wonderfull. Good hardware with quality is always nice. No this machines
produced today for the bin. It's sad. There are exceptions, but anyway. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | From what I heard quality is done a bit since lenovo bought ThinkPad brand. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mutantturkey: But Q4OS seems to be not bad. At least until now. They also reports bugs in the TDE bugtracker. |
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| acjones8 | Yeah,
I've heard so as well, and they did away with a lot of the cool
features on the newer models. No swappable batteries, argh... But all
the modern laptops I've looked at so far seem to have that,
unfortunately... |
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| mlsmith | Did you mean to mention me and not mutantturkey? |
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| acjones8 | I
fully agree on what a shame it is that modern laptops are designed to
be used for 2 years and thrown away as junk, it's needlessly expensive,
bad for the environment, inconvenient, etc. |
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| mlsmith | Agreed |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mlsmith: I am watching you. :-) |
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| mlsmith | I bet you are. lol |
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| * Chris|Lenovo laughts. |
| Chris|Lenovo | Love you all. :-) |
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| mlsmith | I'm just playing around. It's been a while since I've used Konversation. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | That about Q4OS was for you. Shame on me. |
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| mlsmith | I knew you probably meant it for me |
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| Chris|Lenovo | acjones8:
I still have a lot of machines from 2010 and around here. Laptops. All
with these infamous BGA/GPU problems. They need to be reballed and they
work again. |
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| mlsmith | Chris|Lenovo: when I sent the CTCP-VERSION request that was visible to all? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | With TDE they are running wonderfull still. And you can replace the batteries too. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | At least I have seen it. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | The funny thing is. Modern software, contrast to TDE, often can't do anythings really *more*. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But needs a *lot* more ressources. |
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| mlsmith | Weird.
Kind of funny too. Everyone in the channel will see one then. I was
curious what everyone was using for a client. Didn't know you could see
the request. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I am using Konversation tool :-) |
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| mlsmith | I saw that :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And some coffee too. |
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| acjones8 | Yeah,
aside from appreciating the asthetic, one of the reasons I love running
TDE on it is that it's both fast *and* powerful. Something like i3 is
also super snappy, but then you gotta implement all the functionality
and find the extra apps you're missing. My ThinkPad can actually run KDE
5 from a technical perspective, but... Ooof is it slow, and it doesn't
have equivilants all of TDE's apps either |
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| mlsmith | It's too late for coffee for me |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But you haven't seen him. |
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| mlsmith | But I do love coffee |
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| acjones8 | I'm also using Konversation |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I can consume coffee and sleep afterwards very fine. |
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| mlsmith | I wish I could do that |
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| mlsmith | I'm fairly sensitive to caffeine |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I was that too. Back in times. |
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| mlsmith | Chris|Lenovo: How old are you now, if you don't mind me asking? Just curious |
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| mlsmith | I'm 35 |
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| * Chris|Lenovo laughts. Who knows. Not really old. But not really young either. |
| mlsmith | Age = wisdom in my opinion |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Often that is true. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | With age you have experience. But with 30 your brain and body starts to rot. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But often experience does compensate for that very well. Often experience brings better results than performance. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Funny example. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | See Pentium 4s. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | And the GHz hype. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Modern intel CPUs don't follow that netburst design anymore. Instead of this they used more clever tricks. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Which lead to spectree now. But that is another topic. :-) |
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| mlsmith | Was it warm today for everyone? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Yes! |
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| acjones8 | I
live in Hawaii so it's always warm :) but yeah, we've been going
through a bit of a heat wave recently. Culimnated in a record setting
thunderstorm that struck three people, it's quite the news at the
moment. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Tomorrow it will be much warmer. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | That sounds interesting. Hawaii. Some people would be happy to live there. |
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| acjones8 | Some
people are, a lot aren't. Many people think they'd like it, until they
realize that it can get pretty monotonous and isolated out here. It's
only us and few small Pacific countries for a couple thousand miles in
all directions, haha. |
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| mlsmith | Alex, that sounds amazing to me |
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| acjones8 | The
tech market is also really small and pretty difficult to break into,
which is one of my greatest concerns at the moment. Coupled with how
expensive it is to live here, there are going to be some tight years
ahead |
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| mlsmith | being isolated. lol |
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| mlsmith | The cost of living doesn't sound pleasant though |
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| mlsmith | It's actually been fairly cool this summer so far in Maine |
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| acjones8 | But
on the other hand, I do love it. People are so nice, and I'm actually
pretty comfortable with the slower pace of life. The university's also
really good, way better than you'd think. |
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| acjones8 | Ah,
Maine! I used to live in NH, haha. New England winters are pretty
sweet, at least until you have to shovel out your drive way. |
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| mlsmith | Nice! Are you a New England native? |
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| * Chris|Lenovo would be okay with beeing isolated. |
| mlsmith | Same here |
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| acjones8 | Yes
and no. I was born in NH, and I also lived in MA and RI. I spent most
of my childhood there, until I was 11, so I have a soft spot for it. |
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| mlsmith | Have you all read or listened to the Bobiverse books? |
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| mlsmith | Anyway, when the main character is essentially alone in space...seems great to me |
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| acjones8 | But
I haven't lived there since, for about 10 years now, so I don't think
most New Englanders would consider me a native anymore. My dad works in a
job where we have to move very frequently, so I kinda don't have any
one particular home. |
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| mlsmith | acjones8:
Yeah I can relate. I was born in ME but lived in NY most of my
childhood. Also lived in MD and FL for about a year each. |
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| mlsmith | I've been in ME for a while now though. Actually I've been in the same job for like 13 years now. |
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| mlsmith | Same company I should say...different titles over the years. |
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| mlsmith | Chris|Lenovo: Having a family, I suppose I can't just wonder off into the woods now. :-) |
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| acjones8 | Anyway,
I gotta get moving, my bus'll be here soon and I won't have WiFi. Was
nice talking to you guys though, hope to see you around! :) |
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| mlsmith | In fact I have to take my 12 year old daughter to a furry convention tomorrow...please...save me....lol |
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| mlsmith | Nice talking to you acjones8! See you around. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | acjones8: It was wonderfull with you too! :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | mlsmith: No, that would be no option than. I understand that. But maybe later. Who knows? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But I have to go AFK and later go to sleep now too. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Was very interesting and nice to chat with you and hope to see you here again. |
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| mlsmith | Ok, nice talking to you Chris! I'll be around. :-) |
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| pitriss | ohh new TDE fan.. :) great.. mlsmith welcome:) |
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| pitriss | mlsmith:
I quickly got through backlog and when you want still learn something,
and you have no time to learn gentoo atm, then use devuan. Nice, stable,
but you still need to know what to do..:) |
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| mlsmith | Hi pitriss! Thanks! |
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| mlsmith | Actually,
I'm pretty familiar with Devuan. I helped the maintainer of MiyoLinux
which is an openbox distro based on Devuan. I also know some of the
folks working on it, such as golinux. |
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| mlsmith | One of the reasons I'm using Debian Buster is so that I have access to newer Python packages |
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| Chris|Lenovo | I
don't know if there were any specific commits to kmail, but it now
saves the colums and row-width, which it didn't before some months ago.
Wonderfull. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | SlavekB: When I find something like that in the TDE code, than it can be removed, or I am wrong with that? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | "#if KDE_IS_VERSION( 3, 3, 91 )" |
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| jschwart | hey, is anybody in here involved with the new releases? I'm wondering what's the difference with 14.1.0 and 14.0.7 |
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| Seeking-Help | What version of Qt does TDE 14.6 uses? |
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| _Chris_ | Seeking-Help: TQt3, which is the own fork of QT3. |
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| Seeking-Help | Do you have any plans for moving to a more recent version such as Qt5? |
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| Seeking-Help | Do you have a road map I can see? |
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| _Chris_ | This
was investigated for a long time. There was also some pre-support to
run TDE with QT4. But the performance was very bad. And if look what
route QT5 is taking - No. TQt3 works fine. Maybe (to use wayland) the
rendering will be (hopefully optional) done in GTK3. But if that ever
will happen is not clear. |
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| _Chris_ | http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2247 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2247: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.1.0 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| _Chris_ | http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3010 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 3010: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.0.7 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| Seeking-Help | Fair enough, how can I change non-TDE applications font? I need this for accessibility purpose. |
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| _Chris_ | 14.1.x is more some working branch, or feature branch. 14.0.7 will be more of a bug fixing release. |
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| _Chris_ | Question
is what toolkit that applications use. You can use gtk-qt-engine for
changing and using TDE styles and so on in GTK2 applications. |
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| _Chris_ | Or simply install something like lxde-appearence, which allows you to set your fonts, color, icons.. for GTK2. |
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| Seeking-Help | If this were a GTK2 issue I would have used Trinity Control Center with ease, It's GTK3 |
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| _Chris_ | And
no, it's just called lxde-appearence. It has no deps on that. It's just
some theme selector for GTK2 applications. But you can do that in the
control center in TDE too (if you have gtk-qt-engine installed). |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. |
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| _Chris_ | There is gtk3-tqt-engine too. |
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| _Chris_ | Which
allows you to set that for GTK3 too there. But that might be unstable. I
just avoid GTK3 applications. Maybe someone has better tips for you
belong to that. |
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| Seeking-Help | I already have gtk3-tqt-engine installed, but that doesn't help with fonts. |
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| Seeking-Help | As I previously mentioned, I need to change the font size. That's what matters for me, for accessibility reasons. |
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| Seeking-Help | The default font size for GTK3 apps is very small |
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| Seeking-Help | Can you suggest me a solution? |
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| _Chris_ | Not
at the moment. Question: Do you use a HDPI display? Because there was,
or is a bug, which makes GTK3 apps with that very unuseable. But I am
sure in your distribution has to be some tool to change font and so on
for GTK3 too, like for GTK2. Maybe pitriss can help? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You can edit this file. Try it. |
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| _Chris_ | ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini |
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| _Chris_ | There should be something like: "gtk-font-name=Noto Sans Regular 10" |
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| Seeking-Help | Nope, there isn't a "gtk-font-name=X", So I tried adding it manually, didn't work :( |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. I am very not into GTK3. But normaly that should affect the font. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you test if that setting works, if you just start some X instance, without TDE and test if the font changes? |
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| Seeking-Help | Well, probably because I'm using a quirky not-official Ubuntu 18.4.2 with TDE 14.6 |
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| Seeking-Help | OK, hold on |
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| _Chris_ | No, I don't think that makes much difference at this point. |
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| Seeking-Help | It's working fine :) |
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| Seeking-Help | Now, do you know how to change the font weight in GTK3? |
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| Seeking-Help | GTK3 is know for ignoring any user defined font weight, it always reversed to regular |
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| Seeking-Help | Another victim https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=237137 |
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| _Chris_ | Means.. now it is working with the setting I mentioned? |
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| Seeking-Help | Yes. |
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| Seeking-Help | I
manually added the line "gtk-font-name = sans serif 13" to
"/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini" and now I have bigger Sans Serif font |
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| Seeking-Help | Now
I'm looking for a way to change the weight of the font, I need it to be
bold, unfortunately GTK3 applications are know for ignoring any user
defined font weight by design! |
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| _Chris_ | Just add "bold" to that line? Just an idea. |
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| _Chris_ | gtk-font-name=Noto Sans CJK JP Medium 9 - For example. |
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| _Chris_ | https://valadoc.org/gtk+-3.0/Gtk.FontSelection.set_font_name.html |
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| Seeking-Help | Didn't work. |
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| Seeking-Help | As I said, GTK3 applications ignored those user defined font weights whereever they are. |
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| Seeking-Help | Ignores* |
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| _Chris_ | Now, it seems someone different has to help you than. I have to go AFK now anyway. :-( |
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| Seeking-Help | You
see, Gnome devs have decided that bold weight should be only used when a
peice of text is more important than the others or need more attention,
so they set up a policy about that, they prevended users like me to
chose their own font wight |
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| Seeking-Help | I don't remember exactly where I read that, but I do recall that it was somewhere in the official gnome website |
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| Seeking-Help | Good Bye. |
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| _Chris_ | That's
disgusting to hear. But it doesn't wonder me. GNOME is known for
something like that. People here can tell you lessons about that. |
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| Seeking-Help | That's why I switched to TDE a while ago, I don't like where Gnome, KDE5, Mate, Budge ...etc are going. |
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| Seeking-Help | I prefer the classic look and feel of TDE |
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| Seeking-Help | Look like WindowsXP |
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| Chris|Lenovo | For
tdehw to find out if my machine supports suspend, and so also to show
this options in tdepowersave and the logout dialog, I just need to have
installed pm-utils, is that right? |
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| pitriss | guys which debian repo i need to use to have 14.1.* |
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| pitriss | Ok
I upgraded from 14.0.6 to 14.1.* and now TDM don't let me to log in..
startx works in some extent (kdesktop crashes). System devuan ascii
(stretch), kernel 4.9.0-8, |
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| pitriss | What happen.. I can type in pass, and it just clicks as monitor wants to change modes, then fall back to TDM |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Do you have gtk-qt-engine, or gtk3-tqt-engine, or kgtk installed? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Because often that was a fault which resulted in exactly this problem. But might be fixed now. Just some idea. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | You can remove it and test again. :-) |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: yeah good point |
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| pitriss | gtk3-blah-blah uninstalled.. I'm going to try to restart |
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| pitriss | nope.. still the same |
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| Chris|Lenovo | :-( |
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| pitriss | wait.. wtf is going on here.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | What does your xorg.log ~/.xsession-errors file say? |
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| * Chris|Lenovo lifts his eyebrowns. |
| pitriss | tried to reinstall tdm-trinity package - 22 new packages needs to be installed/upgraded |
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| Chris|Lenovo | That looks promising at least. |
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| pitriss | What that damn apt is trying to play on me |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Apt strikes back again. |
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| mirda | what |
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| mirda | and hey |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Hello mirda! :-) |
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| pitriss | wtf why it installed kerberos ?:D |
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| pitriss | what the heck |
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| * Chris|Lenovo lifts his eyebrowns again. Much higher now. |
| pitriss | i expected everything but kerberos?:D |
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| pitriss | ok i tried to uninstall heimdal-clients (no clue what that thing is) and: |
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| pitriss | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| pitriss | heimdal-clients*
kdesktop-trinity* kmail-trinity* kmailcvt-trinity*
konq-plugins-trinity* konqueror-nsplugins-trinity* |
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| pitriss | konqueror-trinity* kontact-trinity* korn-trinity* libtdeldap-trinity* tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity* tdm-trinity* |
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| pitriss | tdmtheme-trinity* |
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| pitriss | some bad deps most likely? |
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| pitriss | interesting.. hope I didn't messed up my login optiosn completely |
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| SlavekB | What apt source you use for R14.1.x? |
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| pitriss | ptb |
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| pitriss | from wiki |
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| SlavekB | ok |
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| SlavekB | these should be consistent and functional. |
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| pitriss | ok.. so hope these additional packages fixed my tdm |
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| mirda | heimdal looks like a kerberos implementation |
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| pitriss | and that kerberos didn't broken my login possibilitys |
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| pitriss | posibilities* |
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| pitriss | mirda: ty.. But why tde is hard depend on kerberos? |
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| pitriss | thats nice question now :D |
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| pitriss | Going to restart tdm/machine.. fingers crossed |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Maybe the packages for 14.1.x are simply build with support for it, but they wasn't before? |
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| SlavekB | For R14.1.0, LDAP support (with Kerberos) is integrated into TDM. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But need it to be some hard dep then? |
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| pitriss | Okay.. tdm fixed.. i consider that as some apt hiccup.. |
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| mirda | cg |
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| pitriss | ^^ krusader crashed but was able to start.. okay. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Wonderfull. |
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| pitriss | hopefully this will be less painfull to figure out all changes that it looked till now :D |
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| pitriss | Btw what was that thing "hadrware watcher" or something.. I disabled it but I'm curious whats that LOL |
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| SlavekB | TDM is now (unfortunately) linked with libtdeldap and this library requires kerberos. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Now pitriss is also using R14.1.x and can verfiy for me the one or other thing in near future. :-) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: okay. sad that it can't be just soft dependency |
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| pitriss | eg if its not installed, don't use it |
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| Chris|Lenovo | That is the reason I use Gentoo. |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: of course.. Michele asked me to upgrade to be able report more bugs..:) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Wonderfull. :-) |
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| * Chris|Lenovo is sad,
because fprintd (the only useable fingerprint pam module) needs polkit
and he is happy without all that *kit things. |
| pitriss | :)) If its needed, I have no problem to help more with this |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Please, can you confirm tdepowersave works for you? |
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| * pitriss would be also happy without all these *kits :D |
| * Chris|Lenovo tried to
kill that *kit dep, because he though it was simply Gentoo forking *kits
again. But it wasn't. Fprintd only use it for.. that -> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/fprintd/blob/master/src/device.c#L1058 |
| Chris|Lenovo | *forcing |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: I have greyed all these hybrid suspends etc as usual but now also "set CPU policy" |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Greyed? Not there? |
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| pitriss | yes not able to use these options.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | They should be there. And what is about autodim, or changing the brighness? |
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| pitriss | these options aren't available on desktops with CRTs |
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| Chris|Lenovo | It word for me all, a half year ago, or so. But not since some months (when rebuilding latest R14.1.x). |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, I forgot. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | But I noticed you wrote: "Some clicking, like changing resolution..". |
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| Chris|Lenovo | That had to be some CRT. |
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| pitriss | Yeah..:) |
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| pitriss | but changing policy directly in menu is not working also.. As changing from dynamic to powerful should put CPU to max |
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| * Chris|Lenovo will
comment out that polkit crap if he has motivation for that. Seems that
will result in just own people can change their own fingerprints. Which
should be okay so. I just want to have it working. It's insecure anyway. |
| Chris|Lenovo | But.. TDEPowersave is reporting tdehw is active, right? |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: where I can see that? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | If so, this seems to be broken from TDE side and I can quit searching the fault in Gentoo. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Just left click the tray icon. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Changing brightness: Yes. |
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| pitriss | TDE HW subsystem active |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Tdehw: Active. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Right. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Like
me. But it isn't working. I feared it has something to do with my
setup. That's no blame. I am quite happy if it works again anyway. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | For desktop autosuspend is nice anyway. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Because this is dificult to get otherwise just in some simple WM. |
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| pitriss | Maybe.. Not for me though |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Specific for the use case. |
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| pitriss | Anyway I can confirm cpu freq policy is not working tor me..:) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Seems there is some problem with dbus communication. |
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| pitriss | anyway I'm glad that I upgraded as Michele fixed dcop for yakuake :D |
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| pitriss | So I can re-set schema to override bug with wallpaper on konsole |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, yes. I have seens commits related to that and though on you! |
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| pitriss | I
just asked to get that somehow fixed as that bug was really annoying.
now I can put some check into .bashrc so it will check for yakuake.. and
then do some magic |
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| pitriss | Now I need to figure out how to detect from what kind window was bash started |
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| pitriss | ah that was easy :D cat /proc/$PPID/comm |
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| Chris|Lenovo | :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | The
state of fingerprinters in Linux is very bad. Just some statement. And
the only project (freedesktop ruled) seems to change to systemd deps in
far future. Also users are promted to scan their fingers for remote
sessions, from what I have read. Apple aquired authentec (last really
known fingerprint company) in 2012. Since then they are nearly the only
ones. Just for peoples information, if they want to play with this too. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Maybe someone here knows some alternative? Someone using their ThinkPad? |
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| pitriss | yaay.. quick hack is alive.. we will see how it would work |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Should be work now, because the bug was fixed in R14.1.x, right? |
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| pitriss | sorry no idea about fingerprint readers |
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| pitriss | Chris|Lenovo: dcop magic works.. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Wonderfull. :-) |
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| pitriss | at least partially it works.. |
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| pitriss | I will need to expand my dcop voodoo a bit in the future to take account even geometry of shell |
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| Chris|Lenovo | What is the definition of "partially"? |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh. |
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| pitriss | as background is not correct when I split windows. |
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| pitriss | on the new half it is.. |
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| pitriss | :) |
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| pitriss | BTW: |
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| pitriss | if [ "$(cat /proc/$PPID/comm)" == "yakuake" ]; then |
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| pitriss | yakschema=`dcop
yakuake Terminal-$(dcop yakuake DCOPInterface selectedTerminal) schema` |
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| pitriss | dcop
yakuake Terminal-$(dcop yakuake DCOPInterface selectedTerminal)
setSchema $yakschema |
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| pitriss | fi |
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| pitriss | it
does what I expected it will do.. eg when I open new tab in yakuake..
it refreshes used schema for this tab, which corrects background
rendering |
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| pitriss | and it is not running at all when that bash is not started within yakuake directly.. so nice.. Thanks Michele |
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| mlsmith | I'm finally getting around to reading The Cuckoo's Egg. Pretty good so far! |
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| * _Chris_ duckduckgoes for that. |
| mlsmith | :-) |
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| Myself81 | I need to change my clock's time format to 12 hours. Can anyone help? |
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| SlavekB | Myself81:
In Trinity Control Center => Regional & Accessibility =>
Country/Region & Language => Time & Dates you can found Time
format. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Just by interest: Who did all the artwork changes from "KDE" to "TDE"? And is he still existing? |
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| _Chris_ | With existing I mean in the TDE universe. |
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| SlavekB | I don't know for sure, but I suppose that E. Liddel could do it. |
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| _Chris_ | Is
he also here in the IRC sometimes? Because I am very bad into graphics
and often I find nice splashes or old stuff, which need to be "redone". I
just wanted to know if TDE holds someone who is able to do something
like that still. |
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| SlavekB | Better to use a mailing list, there is definitely. |
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| _Chris_ | Good idea. |
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| pitriss | Guys how can I permanently disable that tray thingy Hardware device monitor? |
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| pitriss | ok it is tdehwdevicetray now how to uninstall/disable that thing permanently as its really annoying |
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| pitriss | does
tdehwdevicetray have some config where i can stop it from running as i
would love to keep kcontrol-trinity package installed :) |
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| pitriss | Or
only way is to make symlink in my homedir like tdehwdevicetray ->
/bin/false and hope that it isn't called by its absolute path? |
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| SlavekB | see comment on bug 2947 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2947 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdehwdevicemanager not functioning properly with cdrom |
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| SlavekB | ...and bud 2877 :) |
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| SlavekB | bug 2877 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2877 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , cannot stop k hardware monitor from autostarting |
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| pitriss | ok ok ok :D sudo chmod -x /opt/trinity/bin/tdehwdevicetray |
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| pitriss | should be enough as temporary workaround |
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| pitriss | at least till next update of kcontrol package |
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| pitriss | to be honest.. I think this tool is completely useless.. But I guess I'm not its target user group |
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| pitriss | I was unable to set anything through it.. It lists thing that aren't in my system etc. |
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| SlavekB | the basic idea was to replace the popup windows when connecting / inserting the devices... :) |
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| SlavekB | however, yes, it needs a little more work. |
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| pitriss | Those popups can be disabled or am I wrong? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, they can be disabled - specifically for each type of device. |
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| pitriss | I'm too old for those new features. LOL |
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| pitriss | I'm
just used to have properly set up fstab and do mounting by hand, when
its needed or to use automounter (At the moment used only with sshfs) |
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| pitriss | It would be good if for all mimes would be available to set default action |
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| pitriss | (and just ignore these where it is not possible) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | SlavekB:
I don't know this little tool. From which package it comes? And I like
the idea, as long as the popups are still an option. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | The
bad RAM devil had me. By random I came to test my RAM with memtest and
result is: One (1) bit of it is bad. Seems I have to grab into my magic
box to replace it.. |
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| SlavekB | If I remember well, it's from the tdebase. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | A new git for it? Oh, no. Tdebase is some own git on it's own. |
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| Chris|Lenovo | pitriss: Let's change our setups. I want to have this thing (at least for testing) and you don't. :-) |
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| Chris|Lenovo | Oh, no. Much more errors I see now. This RAM module seems to be completely bad. Kingston. Never had problems with them. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: |
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| pitriss | dpkg -S /opt/trinity/bin/tdehwdevicetray |
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| pitriss | kcontrol-trinity: /opt/trinity/bin/tdehwdevicetray |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Thank you. :-) |
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| pitriss | yw |
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| _Chris_ | I didn't build with WITH_TDEHWLIB the kcontrol, so that was lacking. I added it now. |
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| pitriss | By the way.. Is there any way how to debug that libnotify thingy? I mean log what is sent, what icon was expected etc? |
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| pitriss | Because whatsapp client have default icon and I would love to provide correct icon.. |
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| _Chris_ | Whatsapp.. client? |
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| _Chris_ | You mean the whatsapp web version? Or is there now a native linux client? |
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| pitriss | there is some electron+chrome plague :D |
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| pitriss | And it behaves like standalone app, with libnotify etc :D |
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| _Chris_ | Oh.. man. |
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| _Chris_ | But good question. |
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| pitriss | tiny bit better than having it opened in a browser |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Reminds me on new skype. |
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| pitriss | I gave up on skype. As these whatsapps and Vibers can do voice/video too.. |
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| pitriss | And text chat is end to end encrypted.. |
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| _Chris_ | You don't believe that, or I am wrong? :-) |
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| pitriss | no |
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| pitriss | In fact I don't care |
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| pitriss | No service is secure unless is self hosted on my HW |
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| pitriss | But it can be small bonus when it filters some noobs who trying to spy on public wifi |
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| _Chris_ | I
am sure WA will be integrated at some point fully with FB. I mean they
make money with data. WA is free. How they want to make money with it
otherwise? |
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| pitriss | *try |
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| _Chris_ | Sure, that's a good point. |
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| _Chris_ | Like Google with their street maps cars some years ago. |
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| _Chris_ | They collected passwords, keys and, and, and. From WEP or not secured WIFIs. |
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| pitriss | Not
sure.. I heard something about injecting ads to WA:. but many people
was like "without that encryption we are not going to use that" so they
took step back for a while |
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| _Chris_ | I just hope there will be better times of privacy in future. Maybe in 10 years, WA will be something like ICQ today. |
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| pitriss | to
be honest.. I don't like services tied to my phone number.. As I need
to have two phone numbers (not an issue atm as I have 2 phones one dumb
and second smart without data activated) |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly me standpoint too. |
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| _Chris_ | *my |
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| pitriss | Dumphone is for normal use, sms to confirm bank transactions etc, smartphone for the case I am somewhere with wifi to chat etc. |
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| * _Chris_ still owns a lot of old dumphones and MP3 players- |
| pitriss | My only mp3 player is Cowon D7 |
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| _Chris_ | There
are very handy and I know the time back. When changing to smartphone
from MP3 player for music. The touch was just bad and if you were
careless, your smartphone droped and it was trash. All in all that was
some step back for me. I just started to use this simple, little players
I still own again and just discovered, how handy they are. If I drop
them or if I losing them, they are just replaced for little money. |
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| _Chris_ | They* |
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| _Chris_ | I should go to bed now, it seems. :-) |
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| pitriss | ok have a nice night |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: That module from kcontrol I got only shows me what hardware I have. Just like lspci. |
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| pitriss | its not module it is systray utility |
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| pitriss | Not sure why its part of kcontrol but.. |
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| SlavekB | kcontrol is from tdebase :) |
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| _Chris_ | But.. |
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| _Chris_ | From that tool I can control my brightness now. |
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| _Chris_ | But from tdepowersave not, still. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
any idea if there is possibility to log what comes through knotify or
how is that thing to generate these popups above systray called? |
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| _Chris_ | Now I found it. It's another application. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
that tool could be handy if creation of desktop icons for devices are
disabled. So you can notice what is going on at least. |
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| _Chris_ | That
reminds me on Windows XP. So I quite like it. Question is, if it does
show some message for printers and all kind of hardware, or only for
disks. |
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| _Chris_ | The
message style could be tuned a bit. Because at least for me, it is
showed over all other tray icons. The message bubbles from kopete could
be recycled for that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | No. At least my WIFI jammer over USB is not detected by it. Let's try some USB mouse. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: any idea how to refresh icon cache in TDE ?:D |
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| _Chris_ | No.
Seems that it shows only disks. That could be expanded, like it was in
Windows XP. Getting the device class and the name of the device should
be possible. Often I have to watch dmesg or lsusb or so to verfiy some
device was just detected. If some message bubble notice you, that could
be handy. If it is just optionaly that should be no problem. |
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| _Chris_ | I just know "tdebuildsycoca". I don' |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know, if it does also delete the icon cache. |
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| pitriss | ok np |
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| _Chris_ | But you can try that. It will not do any harm. |
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| pitriss | tried not sure correctly but tried.. no luck.. |
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| pitriss | As I tried to add whatsapp icon |
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| _Chris_ | Does that work? Why I ask.. |
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| pitriss | :) not yet.. we will see tomorrow as I'm not going to reboot now.. |
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| pitriss | But I'm jusdging by behavior of "notify-send" that icon needs to be known by the system |
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| pitriss | as it doesn't accept path to image but just system icons |
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| pitriss | by name |
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| pitriss | so I tried to create icon called whatsapp.. |
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| _Chris_ | That would be too easy. |
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| pitriss | why?:) |
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| pitriss | but yeah i'm ready to "strace" that knotify thing :D |
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| _Chris_ | It needs to be difficult, but not too difficult. So you get the mamimum of dopamine. :-) |
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| pitriss | LOL.. |
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| pitriss | kcontrol -> appearance -> icons - changed theme back and forth.. worked |
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| _Chris_ | With your custom icon, or without any other changes? |
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| pitriss | notify-send now choses correct icon when i do -i whatsapp |
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| _Chris_ | Good luck you. I have to sleep now. Good night. :-) |
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| pitriss | I
don't suppose anybody will write me except my friend from colombia
but.. That will not happen as I'm waiting for it.. Murphy's laws are
cruel :D |
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| pitriss | Good night |
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| _Chris_ | Murphy's law. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I tried to start tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol in the console as user. |
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| _Chris_ | [tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol] Listening... |
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| _Chris_ | [tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol]
Name request failed with error 'Connection ":1.6" is not allowed to own
the service "org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol" due to security
policies in the configuration file' |
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| _Chris_ | [tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol] Not primary owner (-1), exiting! |
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| _Chris_ | I have build without consolekit support. Do I have to change something to make it work? |
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| _Chris_ | But with consolekit there is no change. |
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| _Chris_ | When
starting tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol as root: [tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol]
Listening...; [tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol] Not primary owner (2), exiting! |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, do you have installed files: |
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| SlavekB | /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf |
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| SlavekB | /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.service |
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| SlavekB | ? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but different location. |
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| _Chris_ | "/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf" |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.service" |
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| _Chris_ | But yes. They are there. |
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| SlavekB | Thanks
to these org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.service, the tdehw dbus
daemon should be automatically activated from the dbus server. |
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| _Chris_ | But it seems tdepowersave or all other things, like the logout dialog, can't contact this dbus thing. |
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| _Chris_ | Dbus is running fine. But - No difference. |
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| SlavekB | You can try: |
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| SlavekB | dbus-send
--print-reply --system --dest=org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol
/org/trinitydesktop/hardwarecontrol
org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect |
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| _Chris_ | But pitriss reported that it doesn't work for him too. |
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| _Chris_ | Error
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 2
matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.9" (uid=1000 pid=10942
comm="dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.trinit")
interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable" member="Introspect"
error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0"
destination="org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol" (uid=0 pid=3717
comm="/usr/trinity/14/bin/tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol ") |
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| SlavekB | As regular user or as root? |
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| _Chris_ | Both same result. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: You can test that too, if you have time. Would be interesting, if you get same result. |
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| SlavekB | You
can try to change in
/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf line:
<policy at_console="true"> to <policy context="default"> and
remove original block <policy context="default">. |
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| SlavekB | Of
course, this is not a good solution because it allows you to use calls
to each user, but for tests and as a hack it can serve... :) |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Let me test. |
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| _Chris_ | No change. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, moment. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems to have some syntax error, which I noticed while starting dbus new. |
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| _Chris_ | Missing >. |
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| _Chris_ | Now i get output. |
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| _Chris_ | <method name="Hibernate"> |
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| _Chris_ | <arg name="value" direction="out" type="b" /> |
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| _Chris_ | </method> |
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| _Chris_ | And so on. |
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| SlavekB | here is missiing > ? |
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| _Chris_ | No. I fixed that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And restarted dbus with the changes you gave me. |
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| _Chris_ | And after running your test command again, I get that output. |
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| _Chris_ | And some more in that form. So a reply. |
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| _Chris_ | But logout dialog and so on doesn't show any new options still. |
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| _Chris_ | method return time=1562070355.405382 sender=:1.2 -> destination=:1.3 serial=4 reply_serial=2 |
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| _Chris_ | Should tdepowersave or the logout dialog (suspend commands) work/show up, when I get that reply, SlavekB? |
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| SlavekB | Do you now receive a response from dbus-send as a regular user? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Like I wrote above. |
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| _Chris_ | method return time=1562071765.505868 sender=:1.2 -> destination=:1.4 serial=5 reply_serial=2 |
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| _Chris_ | <interface name="org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.Brightness"> |
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| _Chris_ | <method name="CanSetBrightness"> |
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| _Chris_ | <arg name="device" direction="in" type="s" /> |
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| _Chris_ | <arg name="value" direction="out" type="b" /> |
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| _Chris_ | </method> |
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| _Chris_ | And so on. |
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| SlavekB | In that case, it should work. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I have to logout now? |
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| _Chris_ | And login again. But why was the change needed? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, SlavekB. |
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| _Chris_ | I restarted tdepowersave. |
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| _Chris_ | And now at least that work. After login, logout dialog will work than too. |
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| SlavekB | The problem is that newer systems may not now provide <policy at_console = "true">. |
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| _Chris_ | Question
is: Why the change was needed? It seems that is not a problem of my
setup. Because most likely it is the same for pitriss. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. I see. |
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| _Chris_ | You made my day, SlavekB. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Working for my laptops too. Wonderfull. Just wonderfull. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, logout dialog works like a charm again too. |
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| SlavekB | Policy
`at_console` has been marked as obsolete for some time and it is
assumed that the code should be changed to use policykit. |
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| _Chris_ | Wow.. That's really a shame. |
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| _Chris_ | You quote that from dbus? |
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| _Chris_ | Proud
to just need dbus and no *kit things with TDE. And if you want, dbus is
not really needed for TDE to run too. So I just hope there will be some
easy replacement. |
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| _Chris_ | And
what I meant about expanding tdehwtray was, if you connect some webcam,
for example, it could just report (with help of tdehwlib) that a new
camera was detected, which is using the kernel module (uvc) for example,
or none and device node is "/dev/video0". For example. That would be
handy. But it's just some idea. And I don't know if that would work with
*BSD too than. But could be abstracted in tdehwlib for *BSD too. That
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| _Chris_ | be
something no other DE has so far. From what I know. That is nice for
people with more knowledge, but also for beginers, taking notice, what
is going on and if some device was detected and/or is using some
kernel-module/driver. |
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| _Chris_ | And
some notifcation sound for detected or removed devices which could be
configured would be wonderfull in addition. Just some idea. |
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| SlavekB | The
tdehw dbus daemon was added because dbus provides a good way to have a
daemon running with higher privileges to provide services for regular
users. |
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| SlavekB | The current "at_console" assumed a combination dbus with console-kit or systemd. |
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| _Chris_ | But "at_console" works without any consolekit anyway, right? |
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| SlavekB | No, using "at_console" doesn't work without console-kit. |
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| SlavekB | For R14.1.x, this obsolete at_console will be replaced with policy-kit hooks. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
I see. If so, than building without consolekit, but with tdehwlib
should be not possible, or I am wrong? But that is now not important
anymore, because "at_console" is not there anymore anyway. |
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| SlavekB | However, there might work that if a policy-kit is not present, everyone will have permission. |
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| _Chris_ | So it just restricts that to non-remote users, right? |
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| SlavekB | console-kit is not dependency for build => is not a linked library. |
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| _Chris_ | From what I know, consolekit is maintained now further from some people. I just read about it. |
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| _Chris_ | But in the cmake file you can activate it. |
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| _Chris_ | OPTION( WITH_CONSOLEKIT "Enable ConsoleKit support" ${WITH_ALL_OPTIONS} ) |
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| _Chris_ | But yes, in theory (like I did), you can just change the dbus configuration file and it works without consolekit. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Question
is, if all this "non-remove are just allowed" is really needed anyway. I
read some interesting articles about that question some months ago. For
most people it should be no problem. But that's another topic. Maybe
there will be some alternative for "at_console", which is not polkit, or
policykit. I don't know how it is called these days. |
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| _Chris_ | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/issues/52 |
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| _Chris_ | Again,
that seems to be more ideological reasons for removing it. Could be
preserved without much problems for a long time still. But we know. The
reality is different these days. |
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| SlavekB | With
'at_console' it was true that when console-kit was not present, the
user did not have permission because it was solved by dbus directly
=> without communicating with the appropriate service. |
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| SlavekB | When
using a policy-kit, the dbus configuration file for service allows
everyone to access, and then the dbus uses the communication with the
appropriate service to determine whether or not the user will have
access. |
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| _Chris_ | True
point. Okay, changing out some *kit with another *kit seems not to be
so bad. At least if that *kit don't need other *kit friends in addition. |
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| _Chris_ | But as long someone can simply change that dbus config file of TDE then and don't need polkit, nor consolekit, all is good. |
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| _Chris_ | Also
systemd's logind could be used for that, from what I have read. Also
Gentoo has created some indipendend elogind or something like that. It
works without any systemd. But I don't need that. But just for
information. |
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| _Chris_ | So they got GNOME 3.30 working, without any systemd. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/elogind/elogind |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, this is not a GNOME project, but a replacement service to allow using GNOME on a system without systemd. |
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| _Chris_ | You mean elogind? No, that is not from GNOME. |
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| SlavekB | yes, elogind. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Gentoo people created it, more or less to get GNOME running without systemd. |
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| _Chris_ | Same like they created eudev. |
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| _Chris_ | Some udev without systemd needs. |
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| _Chris_ | With OpenRC (their init system) they aim to create some oldschool init, which still gives much of the systemd possibilities. |
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| _Chris_ | But much of these magic I have deactivated. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, SlavekB: Is TDE in any way using tmp.d files? |
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| _Chris_ | Because
that is some new service in OpenRC, for holding compatibility to
applications, which use that funactionality. And I think with TDE I can
remove that from init. |
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| _Chris_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/435326/whats-the-difference-between-consolekit-and-elogind |
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| _Chris_ | And there is still: https://consolekit2.github.io/ConsoleKit2/ |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: hey.. I have question does tde startup manager in kcontroll crashing kcontrol for you too? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Good question. Short answer: I just don't have it installed. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you mean the tde startup manager, not autostart, or services, right? |
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| _Chris_ | TDE components -> Services? |
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| _Chris_ | Like the media service and so on? |
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| _Chris_ | If so, then: No. It works fine here. |
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| pitriss | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Works here. |
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| pitriss | ok then something is rotten in my system.. |
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| pitriss | or there is bug |
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| _Chris_ | Can you just reinstall your whole TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | I would simply remove all TDE related packages and reinstall them, like before. Maybe APT have problems with deps. |
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| _Chris_ | Because it seems it had it before for TDE too. |
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| _Chris_ | *TDM |
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| pitriss | tried..
not an issue this time.. And I wouldn't want to reset all my
configuration as its carried from the past time of kde3.5 ?:D |
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| _Chris_ | But, you can create some new user and try if it is crashing still. |
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| _Chris_ | Isn |
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| _Chris_ | Isn't that some idea? |
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| pitriss | yes that could work. |
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| pitriss | damn I would like to have list of all monitored things for kima.. |
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| _Chris_ | And if it works not and it's still crashing, than maybe it is some bug, which is debian related. |
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| _Chris_ | *Devuan |
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| pitriss | as I miss CPU util in % per core |
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| _Chris_ | From what I know, that feature is lacking in TDEs version of it. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
TDE imported back then a older version. I locked for the lacking
commits some time ago. Should be easy to add it. But someone has to do
that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://sourceforge.net/p/kima/code/138/log/?path=/trunk |
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| _Chris_ | If you mean not something completely different. I mean it was that, what was lacking. But I might be wrong. |
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| pitriss | Ok its crashing even on a new account |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so than something is wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/kima/tree/ChangeLog -> As you can see: TDE version 0.7.3.2 and upstream is: 0.7.4.0. and some commits further. |
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| pitriss | ahh good to know that there is older version than was on KDE3.5 |
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| _Chris_ | No, it was newer. |
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| _Chris_ | TDE is using the older one. |
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| pitriss | yeah I meant that this way.. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/log/kcontrol/kded |
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| _Chris_ | No commits for that service thingy since 2014. |
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| _Chris_ | So that can't be some change. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
it has to do with some service which is, or better *should* be listed
there, which I don't have, because I don't have installed all of TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | You could ping M to test also for you. |
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| pitriss | Yeah will do my best to provide most info about that so this can get investigated and maybe even fixed |
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| _Chris_ | I mean I have never had any crashes because of some changes in 14.1.x. |
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| _Chris_ | If so, only because of my setup, compile problems and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, have your read the chat from some hours before? There is a fix
to list the greyed out suspend, freeze and so on modes. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. Anyway if different system setup can crash app its bug and it should be handled somehow:) |
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| pitriss | really? |
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| _Chris_ | Fix not really, but a workaround. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| pitriss | I read something about deprwcated option |
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| _Chris_ | Can you watch the backlog? Too complicated to fully explain. |
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| _Chris_ | Short
answer: Yes, some dbus rule is deprecated, which used consolekit
before. I never had it installed, but also, newer dbus ignores it
anyway. So tdepowersave, logout dialog and all things contacting the
tdehwmanager can't talk to him. |
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| _Chris_ | You can simply edit out /etc/dbus../system.d/org...trinity file. |
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| _Chris_ | "/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf", to be exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | Just one block to remove and one line to replace. Logout/login, and it works. :-) |
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| pitriss | is there any change except changing that at_console to different? |
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| pitriss | ahh now I got it.. |
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| pitriss | I just test it tomorrow as I don't want to restart to refresh dbus |
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| pitriss | (i hate that service as this crap can't be restarted by standard ways) |
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| pitriss | And I don't want to reboot jsut to test that thing I don't need:) |
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| _Chris_ | You can restart dbus, but you have to logout for TDE to see the tdehwmanager afterwards. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't like dbus too. |
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| _Chris_ | But for that specific use case, it made sense to use it. |
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| _Chris_ | DCOP could be used for that. |
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| pitriss | I would prefer DCOP and keep one system in this DE |
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| pitriss | but ok..:) |
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| _Chris_ | From tdepowesave to tdehwmanager. That is inside TDE. So there is no reason for dbus, except what slavek pointed out. |
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| _Chris_ | But the danger, that some remoteuser could dimm your backlight is no argument for me. |
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| pitriss | dimming is no issue but hybernating could be |
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| _Chris_ | But yes, just local users should be allowed to do that, if it is done right.. |
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| pitriss | *hibernating |
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| _Chris_ | Or beeing prompted to scan your finger, over some ssh remote session.. :-) |
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| pitriss | At the moment i would love to know how to log thraffic going through knotify and get more into creating quality bugreports:) |
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| _Chris_ | Are you not getting some crash message from drkonqi? |
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| pitriss | Not sure If i have dr konqui |
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| _Chris_ | If somethings crashes, there is some crash dialog. |
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| _Chris_ | That should be drkonqi. |
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| pitriss | ah that thing.. Yes it get some info but I don't understand its output yet |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Another Idea i would like to have.. libqualculate support in that thing thats usually hidden udner alt + F2 |
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| pitriss | it can do already some basic calculations |
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| pitriss | But if it would support diferent backend and could do for example currency conversions like qalculate does.. |
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| _Chris_ | You can already do calculations within alt + F2, if libqualculate is installed? |
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| pitriss | No it can just do calculations :D |
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| pitriss | try to put there 2*3 and press enter |
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| pitriss | I would love to have more feature rich backend for it :D |
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| pitriss | as this is sooo nice feature. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. Something new learned. |
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| pitriss | and as I'm getting more and more used to qalculate, i would love to have that tool more tightly integrated:) |
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| pitriss | qualculate can do units/currency conversions which are my two most used functions |
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| _Chris_ | Why you need some lib for calculations? I am not into that. I just use KCalc. |
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| pitriss | because clicking on qualculate is "slower" than alt+f2 and do what I need :) |
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| _Chris_ | From what I know, it was back in the days also some native qt3 application. |
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| pitriss | qalculate is again native tde app:) |
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| _Chris_ | No, I mean qalculate in general. |
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| pitriss | I have it sitting in my systray:) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that's wonderfull. |
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| pitriss | but it does mean that I need to grab my trackball, point there, click there and start doing what I need |
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| pitriss | alt+f2 is without raising my hands out of keyboard.. If you knwo what I mean |
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| _Chris_ | I have read about qalculate and seems there is a good point to have that functions in a lib, which supports different fronends. |
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| pitriss | Nope libqualculate already exists:) |
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| pitriss | even cli version of qualculate |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is what I meant. |
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| pitriss | I was talking about alternative backend for those calculations in alt+f2 |
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| pitriss | :) |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
Question above from me was, for what reason there is the need of a
calculator lib. But that was a stupid question it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | As long as the API is not ever changing - But that seems to be not the case. |
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| pitriss | I would love even to put some optional plugin system into that alt+f2 |
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| pitriss | so you would be able to write script, in settings define keyword for it and using it in alt+f2 |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I imagine what you mean. |
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| pitriss | so eg I would do script for qalculate, bound it with "q:" and then 10 CZK = x EUR would do currency conversion for me :) |
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| pitriss | It could have plenty usages.. google search, local search using some fulltext engine for desktops |
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| pitriss | As that thing could be really killing feature for improving your workflow |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that would be some point more, for beeing productiv and creative with TDE. :-) |
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| pitriss | I
seen somewhere something like that.. And Its really awesome idea.. Its
quick, its great for basic things you might need:) It would be amazing
to have something like that.:) |
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| * _Chris_ just noticed,
that he has dbus just running for TDE. In fact, he has build just
wpa_supplicant, bluez, cups build with dbus support, so just this three
scripts, besides the TDE script for tdehwmanager. All three are unused.
Seems that TDE talks to cups not over dbus. So I would be happy to ditch
of using dbus for that tdehwmanager thingy and use native DCOP. :-) |
| _Chris_ | Something like the TDE integrated console you mean. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | TDEIC. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Regarding
tdehw and dcop × dbus: it's not that simple. DBus is used because it
allows to activate a service running under root => to provide for
tdehw functions that require higher privileges. While dcop is always
only in the user context => this will not allow to use higher
privileges == does not provide what is needed for tdehw. |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
I forgot that changing brightness and so on needs to adjust
/sys/class/backlight and so on, which only root is allowed to do. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you need dbus for other things, SlavekB? You personal. |
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| _Chris_ | I am just interested. |
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| SlavekB | In TDE I use it for udisks => mount / umout removable devices. |
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| _Chris_ | But mounting.. Okay, no. That does udisks or pmount for example, which is their use case to be not root. Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | My last comment was unrelated to yours. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, if I had no udisks installed, pmount could provide this function. |
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| _Chris_ | I am using the pmount route on all my machines and that works fine until now. |
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| _Chris_ | TDEprint does not communicate with CUPS over dbus, right? |
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| SlavekB | Actually, udisks I installed mainly to test functionality with TDE :) |
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| _Chris_ | The
question is also, if bluetooth support in TDE will come back some day,
if it is possible to talk to bluez without dbus. If not, DBUS is needed
anyway. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, TDE uses the CUPS API, not dbus. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: isn't setuid binary able to use elevated privs from userspace? eg some simple checker for tdehw..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
That was my question, I just wanted to ask. But there are always
"reasons" to not do that. It's not the cleanest function to do that, it
seems. But could be some fallback, if dbus is not there? |
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| pitriss | dbus is not clean solution either |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, remove the word "clean". :-) |
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| pitriss | its
something doing something that doesn't follow unix traditions.. eg you
need to reboot to update that thingy.. so "clean" is not the reason here
:D |
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| pitriss | I
really don't like to reboot my machines just for update that.. I was
used for years to reboot only for kernel updates as it was safer option
than injecting new kernel into running system |
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| _Chris_ | Can't you simply restart that dbus service? |
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| SlavekB | To
restart the dbus server, it is essential that clients are ready to lose
the connection == that they must be able to notice the lost connection
and re-establish it. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I never had problems with that, because the only real dbus service I used was that in TDE. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: In debian you can't just restart dbus.. after update via apt I got message to not forget to reboot to update dbus |
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| _Chris_ | Good point. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, in TDE I have always tried to make sure that dbus services are ready to reconnect when connection is lost. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: That was a clever desision. Wonderfull work. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Although
the update indicates that a restart should be performed, it is possible
to invoke a restart of the service instead of restarting the entire
system. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
yeah it might be just "dirty hack" than not being able to reboot
properly.. But devs should enforce systems need to be able to lose
connection |
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| pitriss | This just make linux worse system than it ever was. |
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| pitriss | I mean all that way its heading now.. |
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| _Chris_ | Good
old times, were we were thinking about getting better font hinting with
freetype back than, when it was patented. That were real problems. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *when |
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| pitriss | Hmm hmm I just checked that FreeBSD should run on Raspberry PI :D |
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| pitriss | Now that buing 4GB version of RPi4 seems have another reason :D |
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| pitriss | buying* |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. Than you can try TDE with *BSD. At least what is working so far. |
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| pitriss | I could prepare myself to switch to more conservative OS.. Linux is becoming hostile to me :) Yeah thats the point |
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| pitriss | I wish to learn Free BSD anyway.. |
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| _Chris_ | Conservative.. There were something about that. I could quote you now. :-) |
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| pitriss | It might be not so far from Solaris |
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| pitriss | :D |
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| _Chris_ | In fact TDE seems to run under Solaris. At least OpenIndiana. |
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| pitriss | LOL OpenIndiana on RPI would be really weird mix :D |
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| pitriss | But I can imagine Haiku OS on Rpi |
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| _Chris_ | They just support 64 Bit now it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you know Haiku. |
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| _Chris_ | I wanted to test it ever. At least for fun. |
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| pitriss | I tested it on old laptop..:) |
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| pitriss | It was booting under 15s :) |
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| pitriss | (excluding POST) |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I just have seen videos. |
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| SlavekB | It's funny: I use Solaris color scheme and BII window decoration :) |
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| pitriss | I like that OS |
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| pitriss | From my current job I know solaris from cli side well. It has its own bad bugs that nobody can solve :D |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Interesting choice. :-) |
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| pitriss | Like constant telemetry errors without being useful anyway..:) |
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| pitriss | As when there will be some real issues, then It would be caught by another subsystems.. etc.. |
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| pitriss | Or notcorrectable scrub errors in swap partitions etc.. :D Really nice bugs :D |
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| _Chris_ | Some sub-sub-subsystem. |
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| * _Chris_ lifts his eyebrowns again. |
| _Chris_ | It's sad sun vanished. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. Oracle sucks.. :) |
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| pitriss | Their support is funny |
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| pitriss | We
report faulty DIMM.. they request plenty of crap.. we provide them..
they request swapping two dimms to verify its not dead.. on production
machine:D |
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| pitriss | ...production machine and they demand outage, to plan proper change later... |
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| _Chris_ | Seems they are very motivated to do what they do. |
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| pitriss | for sure.. |
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| pitriss | we planned proper maintenance with Field Engineer from Oracle doing that maintenance.. |
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| pitriss | Maint window is today from 14:00 GMT, they send FE to 13:00 GMT) |
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| pitriss | This service costs metric f**kton of money.. ..for what? |
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| _Chris_ | RIP Sun. |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I have done some translation. If there is anything wrong, you can say
that. So I get better. Problem for German is, that the German language
has many different words for the words TDE is using in English. Dir for
example. The words "Verzeichnis" and/or "Ordner" often mean the same. In
the German translation they are interchangeable used. But from what I
have seen, this is also used in English. Dir/Folder. To make it perfect, |
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| _Chris_ | there
should be some page for every language, which common keywords are used
globaly. It would help the translators most likely very much. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean: TDE English (original translation) is using these two words also interchangeable for no reason, which I get. |
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| SlavekB | In directory / folder is similar problem in Czech - adresář × složka :) |
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| _Chris_ | Same for "Home folder". Sometimes it's "personal folder". This leads to having mutiple descriptions.. |
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| _Chris_ | In German I want to change all "personal folder" to "Eigene Dateien" (which could be translated to own files in English). |
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| _Chris_ | Because it's using a lot less screen space. |
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| _Chris_ | In
German translation screen space is some real problem. Icon descriptions
are often wrapped. With smal screens that makes no fun. So using
"Eigene Dateien" (which is used in fact in some places anyway in the
German translation) has more pros. |
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| _Chris_ | Same
for "Computer". In German it is called "Speichermedien", which is too
long. But original TDE translation is "Computer" (in English). So I am
for using that "Computer" in German too. Because it's used in German
too. |
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| _Chris_ | That
fits to using "Network", "Documents", "Computer" and so on. Simple
words, which are don't too long. I hope you get what I mean. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | It
has not to do TDE thinks users are too stupid for the better names. I
like them more, in fact. But if your first experience in German is
seeing some Icons which are wrapped like "Speicherme-dien", you just
think TDE is in beta state still. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, long wrapped names don't look good. |
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| _Chris_ | But..
In some places, "Speichermedien" makes sense. If there is more display
space. And in fact.. English translation is calling it in English then
also "Media Devices" or so. But.. It opens the same place like
"Computer". That is inconsistent. |
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| _Chris_ | So
streamlining the names of some places for alle languages and adding
some windows with tips for translating to a specific language would be
some.. bigger project. Just some idea. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do you translate the places consistently in CZ? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Or are you exactly translate the word like it is used in English, also
if it is the same place, like what you translated the other way before? |
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| _Chris_ | *translating |
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| SlavekB | For
example, I try to maintain consistency with the original English terms -
for example, directory => adresář, folder => složka. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
I see. So that should be the way for go at first and later, at some
time, it could be talked about changing the original (English) words
used. |
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| SlavekB | However, at the same time I look to make the sentences understandable. |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
That makes sense. I just noticed it. Some entries before, it is called
folder, some entries later, there is some phrase with dir. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise,
there are things like "Susped to Disk", or "Supend to RAM"
(descriptions), which makes no sense to translate them to German. That
feels users are stupid, because the English terms are in the Linux
community very used, also in German. |
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| _Chris_ | Is there any page of tips for translating, like for what is the & often used, or other things? |
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| _Chris_ | Because in some translations the & isn't used in English, but in the German translation, it is used in the begining. |
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| _Chris_ | And
you can help me to find out, from what translation file the "Computer"
icon on the desktop comes from. I searched mutiple times and found some
computer entries. But none changed it on the desktop.. |
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| SlavekB | the question is whether we have a translation community - for example, we have http://www.l10n.cz/ |
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| _Chris_ | Another
thing is: If you don't translate things like "Suspend to RAM", Weblate
don't allow to use the same term. You have to leave the translation
untranslated. But this way you can't reach 100%. Is there any way to
mark some entrie like "don't need translation"? That is the same thing
like changing the copyright lines, or author, which should not be
changed by hand.. |
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| SlavekB | Weblate warns that the translation is the same as the source, but it can be confirmed and this check can be set to ignored. |
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| SlavekB | As a result, the translation can be 100% and will not be marked as requiring attention. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting.
Good to know that. I did some translations now in weblate (not
suggestions). What are the next steps to get that in tde-i18n? |
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| SlavekB | There is no need for anything - within 24 hours the translations will be pushed to Gitea :) |
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| SlavekB | ...and then, on Wednesday and Sunday, the merge to r14.0.x branch is done :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, Wednesday and Sunday. Interesting to know. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Is it bad if I have changed some translation mutiple times? Or does it show up in the commit just with the latest change? |
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| SlavekB | all translations you make within 24 hours are pushed in one commit per component. |
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| _Chris_ | So,
if I saved one entrie to "Prozesstabelle", afterwards noticed it would
be better to call it "Prozesstabelle ..." both changes will be show in
the merge in the same order I made them? |
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| _Chris_ | But the last "Prozesstabelle .." will be chosen? |
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| SlavekB | Only the last state of the translation will be visible in the commit. |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you. That was what I wanted to know. |
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| SlavekB | If you make many corrections / changes to the translation, the last state will be pushed to the GIT :) |
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| SlavekB | However, individual changes are recorded in the Weblate journal. |
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| _Chris_ | Good to know. Just feared there will be many duplicates now show up. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that's unrelated. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: <qt>Logout, switch user, switch off or reset, suspend of the system |
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| _Chris_ | Do I have the <qt> to take to my translation too? I am doing it this way. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, such tags should be retained. |
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| _Chris_ | And what is about having such "&" at the begining of some translation? |
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| SlavekB | The "&" character usually indicates which letter will serve as a shortcut => will be underlined. |
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| _Chris_ | SoI can be right to asume it is not right, if the translation will some shortcut, but the original entrie is having none, right? |
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| _Chris_ | *have |
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| SlavekB | For shortcuts, be careful not to have identical shortcuts for different items in the same menu / dialog box / tab :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but are they defined just by the letter you use in the translation, or
are they just underlined with that and configured in another place? |
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| SlavekB | This should work according to the translation. |
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| _Chris_ | For
example. "Search" was translated to "&Search". But marked as fuzzy.
The translation is right. But it seems to original "Search" had no
shortcut. So removing the & from the translation is right? |
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| SlavekB | As a result, a letter other than the original may be used as a shortcut. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah. Interesting too. |
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| _Chris_ | So
I will better remove that & before "Search". That fact it was
marked as fuzzy since decades leads to the fact, no one can miss it. |
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| SlavekB | If the word was not shortcut and too general - like Search, you have to look where this one translation is used. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Understand. |
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| SlavekB | It is great here that in Weblate you see links to all instances where the string is used. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes. I can see that. Right hand side. |
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| _Chris_ | 99,6% |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Kicker: 100% :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Don't forget to add yourself to the "Your names" and "Your emails" information. |
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| _Chris_ | Manually? |
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| _Chris_ | I don't need the fame. I have to laught. But I will simply add "Chris" to it. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Because, you said sometime that weblate will do that automatic and no one has to change that per hand? |
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| SlavekB | Weblate will use your data as author for commit. But your names / Your emails should be manually maintained. |
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| _Chris_ | I see. Thank you. |
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| SlavekB | Later
I want to discuss with the Weblate author whether it would be possible
to create an addon that could maintain Your names / Your emails
automatically. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. We talked about that already. |
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| _Chris_ | But if you can reach 100% this way, it is fine this way. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is it possible something is lacking in the original translation? |
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| _Chris_ | "Here you can the opacity of the background (0-100)." |
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| _Chris_ | Does it lack the word "set", or I am wrong? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it looks like an error in the original string. |
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| _Chris_ | I did translate it right anyway. Hope that was right. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_: by chance I noticed a typo in your translation - Trinity Secure Attention Key (TASK) => it should be TSAK |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Thank you. |
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| _Chris_ | Fixed. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I don't get that phrase in English.. |
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| _Chris_ | " When enabled the date and time when the desktop was locked is displayed as an additional intrusion detection measure." |
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| _Chris_ | Can you tell me with simple words, what this does? |
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| _Chris_ | Does it simply show when the desktop was locked in the box to re-login. Or is it also used for some security mechanism? |
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| SlavekB | If it is enabled, then in dialog for unlock session is displayed date and time of locking session. |
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| _Chris_ | So, I translate it this way. I was not sure about this part.. |
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| _Chris_ | as an additional intrusion detection measure. |
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| SlavekB | It's just information for the user to be amazed when the lock date is different than expected :) |
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| _Chris_ | Ahhh. No I get it. |
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| _Chris_ | *Now |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you. |
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| _Chris_ | KDesktop done too. Every day a little bit. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | "Try setting your prompt in our ~/.bashrc with: "export PS1='\[\e[0m\h:\w> '"" |
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| _Chris_ | Shouldn't it be "your" instead of our? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I am wrong, but sounds like TDE owns my ~/.bashrc with installing Konsole otherwise. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it also looks like a typo. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, FYI: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/1a6edf83b9 |
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| SlavekB | Fixed strings appear in Weblate after updating templates (POT files) => is done on Wednesday and Sunday :) |
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| pitriss | I dont think directory vs folder isn't issue as correct term is directory.. folder is term used in windows |
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| _Chris_ | But original the term folder is used in TDE too. |
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| pitriss | Not sure why.. |
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| _Chris_ | Like
"My Files" - Which I changed "Personal Folder" too. Just because it is
too long otherwise.. And My Files is used in TDE too sometimes.. |
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| pitriss | my files its okay.. |
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| pitriss | there is no clash betwween linux/windows world :) |
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| pitriss | and just for fun.. what a boring prompt recomended by TDE :D |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | You have to think: It's from a world around 2000. :-) |
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| pitriss | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;31m\]\u\[\033[00m\]@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;36m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$
\[\033[01;44m\]~>\[\033[00m\] ' |
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| pitriss | Thats what I'm using :D |
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| pitriss | As this is well visible even when you do long output commands and its possible to find prompt :) |
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| pitriss | Anyway,
I'm not fan of zsh and their superfancy 3 lines tall prompts.. zfs is
useless when you need to work on huge ammount of machines with only bash
installed.. and it makes you used on plenty of information provided..
..so you will miss them on these systems without zsh installed :) |
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| pitriss | That
what I'm using was last updated 8 years ago.. and I added that arrow at
the end in white on blue for easier tracking of start of command |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
In the German translation for the konqueror startibng page, there was
always two website links. One was pointing to the german KDE community,
which isn't anymore. So I replaced that link with the more or less
popular German Linux news page https://pro-linux.de
- For two reasons. First reason: It is very perfectly renderer in
Konqueror. That a good example page this way. Second reason is: The page
does constanly report about |
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| _Chris_ | new TDE releases. I hope that is okay this way. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: Konsole and Konqueror is also at 100% now. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: hey btw. with that insecure hack of dbus config i can confirm that tdepowersave works as expected again |
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| _Chris_ | "Insecure". :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. That came from SlavekB. I just was tired of don't having backlight dim at my machines. :-( |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Just came around that famous "Kerberos Realm Manager" (what is in real
the TDE ISO information utility" - I just translated your recent
translation here. That English translation should be changed maybe,
because it's really misleading. |
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| pitriss | yes.. switching my computer off rtc by other user seems to be insecure on multiuser systems:) |
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| pitriss | Not an issue for me but in general it can be considered as insecure:) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_:
Yes, string "Kerberos Realm Manager" is already fixed in git, in
Weblate should be updated soon... not need to translate it now :) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, is done already. Will look at it than again. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: For multiuser that is a true point. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, you can see "your" commits in tde-i18n: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/commits/branch/master |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, I have already noticed it, just some minutes ago. Thank you for merging. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Fulltextsearch with weblate is very nice. |
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| _Chris_ | I
am starting to also replace "Personal folder" with "My files". Just in
German. Because it's too long otherwise. We talked about that. |
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| _Chris_ | The
funny thing is, that in the original (English) translation it is
different called on mutiple times. Home folder, personal folder, my
files, own files. |
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| _Chris_ | In
Kicker for example, there is some description for My files in this way:
"My files" (Personal folder) - That makes - At least for me not sense.
For no language. That could be removed better for all languages. |
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| _Chris_ | Original (English) translation is by the way two times "Home folder". Like this: "Home folder (Home folder)". |
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| _Chris_ | But for German I came to the conclusion that I take My files for the name and personal folder for the description then. |
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| Sveta | is this an fork of old konqueror before it morphed into kde 4? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. With new fixes from TDE since then. |
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| Sveta | there is no official packages for buster ? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall |
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| Sveta | I'm just adding this for stretch now.. |
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| Sveta | ooh found it at https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds#Debian, it is OK |
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| _Chris_ | So.
Done for today. 4 or 5 packages more transated. But I have to review
that when merging and testing that translations in real use. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *translated |
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| Sveta | _Chris_, to what language? |
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| Sveta | German? |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| pitriss | damn i really need that logging of knotify.. as too much apps showing default icon |
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| pitriss | it triggers my OCD :DS |
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| pitriss | :D |
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| pitriss | it would be awesome if it would throw line like "tdenotify - icon not found - icon name" into .xsession-errors or somewhere |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, what is the reason that so much applications using default icons? |
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| pitriss | its corresponding symlink is not in the icon path most likely |
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| pitriss | as that tdenotify uses icon name and not path to icon |
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| pitriss | So i would love to know logic between selecting icons/requests sent by the apps |
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| _Chris_ | Are that this electron kind of "apps"? Or native ones? |
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| _Chris_ | Good Night. |
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| pitriss | night |
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| pitriss | And nope. Even seamonkey give me default icon. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
While translating the now (at least for me and pitriss) working logout
dialog, I cam about the fact the suspend entries have missing icons. We
could wonderfully re-use the existing ones for that in tdepowersave, or
is there a reason they are missing? There are two different types of.
One for all standby, suspend to ram, freeze (icon with a memory module)
and one for suspend to disk, hybrid suspend and so (icon with a disk |
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| _Chris_ | module). That would fit perfectly into that dialog and it would be consistent to tdepowersave. What do you think about that? |
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| pitriss | I
wanted to ask.. is there way how to use those UTF-8 emoji and still
keep DejaVu Sans font? Or do I need to replace font? As google released
font containing only these emojis |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Maybe I would like that "logoff" menu configurable.. to be able to pack unused options into select box |
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| pitriss | As i will never use those hibernations.. so I would like to not clutter that menu.. |
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| pitriss | And have there only shutdown/reboot/logoff |
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| _Chris_ | There are some settings to disable them already. :-) |
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| pitriss | + select box with other options |
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| _Chris_ | I know that, because I have read their descriptions or so while translating. |
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| pitriss | aww |
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| _Chris_ | But you don't get a box. They are only not displayed then. |
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| pitriss | Not an issue then |
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| pitriss | As I can trigger these actions from tdepowersave |
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| _Chris_ | In the power settings or so should be some option to disable them. But I have never seen this dialog. |
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| pitriss | Ok ty.. will try to get through kcontrol |
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| pitriss | BTW these power options could be added as configurable to that kicker applet |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is SAK and TSAK the same? Just with Trinity branding (T)? |
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| _Chris_ | I never used that. But from what I got, it is simply some key combination on the keyboard, which opens the unlock dialog? |
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| SlavekB | SAK is a generic name => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key |
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| SlavekB | TSAK is Trinity process for SAK. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that was what I meant. Because in the kcmscreensaver, there is some option to use SAK. |
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| _Chris_ | Is that right, or should it be TSAK too? |
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| SlavekB | The setting indicates whether to use SAK - this is the correct label. |
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| SlavekB | Subsequently, this SAK is served by TSAK processes in Trinity :) |
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| _Chris_ | Understand. Have done it this way, but wanted to verify it. |
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| SlavekB | However, it is correct that the setting is whether to use SAK => as a security method. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I got that. Just wanted to make sure that SAK label is not just deprecated and should be TSAK now in the translation. |
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| pitriss | SAK that thing to use ctrl+alt+del before login? |
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| pitriss | Is it really secure under linux as you can do all kinds of weird magic with keyboard input? |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Exactly that was my first idea, to describe it the way, you already did
in translation. But we are at TDE here and not in GNOME. So I think
users can read a bit about it. At least original (SAK) should be
included still in the translation. Maybe that can be added to the help
text. Like: "With that, you can use ctrl+alt+del for example, to trigger
the unlock dialog." For me it not helped much to read, I can enable SAK
and |
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| _Chris_ | description says, I can use SAK with that setting. :-) |
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| pitriss | Yeah.. I'm curious if its really secure with TDE as topmost layer:) |
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| pitriss | It says nothing about what happens under the hood in the system..:) |
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| _Chris_ | But
it's very wonderfull how many features TDE includes, while still using
very much ressources. You just realise how much more options are there
while translating. |
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| _Chris_ | From what I read - Dangerous - It's given to the kernel and it's magic makes it secure. |
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| pitriss | yeah okay..:) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I just noticed something very.. confusing. I did translate kcmmedia
yesterday. And translated all fuzzy or missing strings. But.. Today -
Without using the new language files in my install of TDE - I discovered
some strings *were* already translated there fully. How is that
possible? I never translated them and I have some string, for example,
which really had *no* translation. But if I open kcmmedia, it is fully
translated. |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, I am using latest master branch. Just updated two weeks ago or so fully. |
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| _Chris_ | Is it possible, that there are double entries, or old ones, which showing up as not translated in weblate? |
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| _Chris_ | I will go now through all strings of kcmmedia to verify if this translation is doubled maybe. |
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| _Chris_ | No, nothing doubled. |
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| pitriss | ..magic.. |
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| _Chris_ | Or
they are coming from different language files. Because I think I have
translated some things two times. But at different places. But I am not
sure. I came to that, because I though I can streamline both
translations then, if they are on different places. I am really not
sure. Translating death strings isn't dangerous anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way: When starting with Linux, this kind of messages made me laugh:
"Entschuldigung, der eigentlich hierhin gehörende Text wurde leider
noch nicht geschrieben :(" - Just with the smile. The original string
had no smile. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Original string is: " FIXME : Write me..." :-) |
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| _Chris_ | "Get
new wallpapers" is also such a thing. In German it is called: "Neue
Hintergrundbilder herunterladen" - And this sounds wonderfull, but is
long. In fact, it is so long, that it makes the preview monitor image in
this dialog to shift to the left, with space at the left. This results
in having too width kcmbackground dialog in resoulutions like 1024x768.
So it's better this will be made shorter. |
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| _Chris_ | *to left and space at the right |
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| _Chris_ | If you are in the kcmscreensaver modul and change to the kcmbackground module, the window will instantly wider. Fixed now. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
I think I understand now why some entries are marked for edit and
showing up at the same time. Weblate just shows "edit needed", but in
fact there is a difference if some strings just need some edit, or some
action is needed. The later seems to not show up at all. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Some typo in kcmtaskbar: "Edt global floating taskbar configuration" |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Kcmkicker: " When checked, the displayed semi-transparent background
image will be blurred to reduce eyestrain" - Missing point at the end. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Kcmkicker still: "When this option is selected, this panel will be
hidden if its Xinerama screen is not available. This panel
will be automatically restored when the configured Xinerama screen is
reenabked." - Typo. |
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| _Chris_ | There
was some guy a half year or so ago, who wanted to know how to modify or
remove the TDE-Menu Image, which is displayed at the left hand side or
above, or anywhere. A bit late, but I now we can tell him: |
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| _Chris_ | "You
can customize the image that appears in the TDE Menu by putting image
files called kside_top_left.png and kside_top_right.png, and a tileable
image file called kside_top_tile.png in
$TDEHOME/share/apps/kicker/pics." |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, thank you, really good work: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/commits/branch/master |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | As
you have seen correctly, some texts are the same in multiple
components. If they are in same project (for example tdebase), Weblate
can well show an overview of the same translations. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Have you seen that I pasted you here some typos in the original (English) strings? Maybe you can fix them. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I already have a commit to fix the three typos here. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I haven't watched for that already. Wonderfull. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I'll just push it in a moment. |
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| _Chris_ | Will be the now fixed typo strings marked as fuzzy in the other languages? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is likely that they will be marked as fuzzy after updating the templates. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay. Then I get it. I will review that components later then. |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/9811d154a5 |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Can you point me to the source of the "Computer" icon on the desktop,
which is shown if you select to show it under "show device icons"?
Better to the language files from which this icon gets it's name. I not
found it until now.. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Wonderfull. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Icon names will probably be from "*.desktop" files. However, desktop files are not yet available for translation in Weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | Just checked it. The strings are in fact NOT marked as fuzzy. |
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| SlavekB | This was an update to the source files => updating templates for Weblate will be done later. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I just though that they are from *.desktop files. Okay, maybe that is
the reason. Could you change then "My_Computer" *.desktop file in this
way, that for German it is not "Speichermedien" anymore and instead of
that just "Computer"? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, understand. |
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| SlavekB | Regarding desktop files - I suppose this as the next step of integrating TDE translations into Weblate. |
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| SlavekB | kdesktop/init/My_Computer |
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| SlavekB | 15:Name[de]=Speichermedien |
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| SlavekB | kicker/applets/media/mediaapplet.desktop |
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| SlavekB | 14:Comment[de]=Direkter Zugriff auf Ihre Speichermedien |
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| SlavekB | 73:Name[de]=Speichermedien |
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| SlavekB | konqueror/sidebar/trees/init/services/media.desktop |
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| SlavekB | 16:Name[de]=Speichermedien |
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| SlavekB | tdeioslave/media/tdecmodule/media.desktop |
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| SlavekB | 22:Name[de]=Speichermedien |
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| _Chris_ | Sounds
good. Until then I would need to have some gitea account to change
that. But maybe that would be good anyway, because this way I can upload
my Gentoo overlay and test on a few little things. |
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| SlavekB | 90:Comment[de]=Speichermedien einrichten |
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| SlavekB | tdeioslave/system/entries/media.desktop |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Exactly! |
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| _Chris_ | 15:Name[de]=Speichermedien |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you can create pull-request to Gitea for changes in desktop files :) |
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| _Chris_ | I
mean I created some account some time ago. I don't know anymore. Or no,
I wanted. But then I read about that creating repos there is not
possible or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | *-mean +think |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, Do you really just change the only one in kdesktop/init/My_Computer? |
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| _Chris_ | Some years ago I was medium-used to GIT. But that I think I can get into that again. |
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| SlavekB | If
you have a TGW account created, I can include you in the Contributors
team. You can then create pull-requests directly as a branch in the main
GIT repository => then you don't need to do fork or create your own
repository. |
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| _Chris_ | In
fact I haven't here at my system. I did some own translations, but this
names are just used in many places and in different contexts. I am just
thinking about some system for the naming in German. For example: In
kicker it would be totaly fine to call it "Media devices" - It is called
this way also in original. But in original my_computer is called also
just "Computer" for the desktop icon. So different like the name for the |
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| _Chris_ | kicker applet, you understand? |
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| _Chris_ | Creating
own repos is just fine for begining. I wasn't sure if that is possible
instantly. I will look into that these day, ist that okay? |
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| _Chris_ | I
aim for simple "fixes" only. Polishing. Like.. If you open kcmtaskbar.
It is still using the "old" TDE icon. If you click on "configure
controlpanel" of kicker, you will see that there are three entries with
the old icon and one (panels) with the new artwork. |
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| _Chris_ | Here we are: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/Chris |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, welcome as member of Contributors team :) |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: By the way, I found that: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/14 |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do I have to create a pull request? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/Chris/tdebase/commit/f6bb5d169dd3151e6255f8d6644e760358d2868d |
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| _Chris_ | If I try to commit directly to master branch it just gives me the option to create a pull request. Also not on my fork. |
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| SlavekB | But, Chris, you didn't have to make a fork. |
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| _Chris_ | I just did for testing. No worries. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I edited the file exactly this way on master now. |
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| _Chris_ | But only option I have is to create pull request. Is that right? |
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| SlavekB | Instead of commit into master branch, you have co create your branch for pull-request. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. |
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| SlavekB | See https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace#To_contribute_code_changes |
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| _Chris_ | Right. There I forgot about that. |
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| SlavekB | Recommendations for branch name are also in the guide :) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. :-) |
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| SlavekB | And don't forget to use -s with "git commit" to declare your acceptance of DCO. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, already read about that. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/38 |
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| _Chris_ | I
fixed that missing icons in the logout dialog. Maybe that can be added
tomorrow too. I will go to sleep now. Good night to all. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Thanks for merging. I will write something to that later this day in
the pull request. Or maybe I should not. I am not sure. At least my
impression is wrapping Icons (for new TDE install) is not something good
looking. True that other languages also use sometimes "speichermedien".
But question was, if that was intended. That is a much bigger question
translating related. Because the same was done to KDE3 times for " |
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| _Chris_ | Webbrowser".
In all other places it is called this way. (Konqueror description is
what I mean). But for German, the desktop icon is called "Web-Browser".
Which doesn't is perfectly right. But it looks polished. True the widht
of the icon texts can be changed. But that has to be default then. GNOME
is using a different system here and not shorting names. Icon texts can
be really long here (which also doesn't look good). To be honest, |
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| _Chris_ | this
wrapping up of icons problem also hits some other icons. Like
"Konversation". But there is no solution. But biggest difference here
is: They are not on the desktop at install. Just my input to that. I
will commect that today most likely. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And
to be fair: "My PC" would be more to the original. But that will use
shortnames and is much more inconsistent, because it is the only
translation doing that. And it looks.. wrong in result. |
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| _Chris_ | "My documents" and "my network" and so on are translated too in "Network" and "Dokumente", just came to my mind in addition. |
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| pitriss | nice |
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| _Chris_ | aaly: Wonderfull. :-) |
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| aaly | openSUSE Build Service https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:AndnoVember:Live:15.1/tde-mini-live |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
From what I have seen now, all this calls to to check is udisks1,
udisks2, consolekit, networkmanager and so on are not beeing optionally
now and always there? Is there a reason for that? Just checking for that
options if tdelibs was compiled with was so bad? :-( |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/commit/?id=7214a7b6 |
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| _Chris_ | +// The UDISKS v2 DBUS service was either not available or was unusable |
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| _Chris_ | +// Try to use UDISKS v1 via DBUS, if available |
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| _Chris_ | That could be made optionally again. Not more dbus deps please. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, networkmanager and consolekit not. But udsiks1, udisks2 and udevil things. |
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| _Chris_ | And
from what I have read tdehw will be included in any way in later
versions of TDE. And that will check if HAL is used or not. So there
would be no way to simply build TDE with TDEHW (so also not without dbus
calls for udisks1, udisks2, udevil..). I don't know if that is in
spirit of TDE. Maybe you can give Michelle some input on this. I don't
know. |
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| _Chris_ | *without TDEHW |
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| _Chris_ | The
new translations look good, by the way. I will review and re-adjust
some things today or tomorrow too, which I found they could be better
done than I did first way. |
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| _Chris_ | Konqueror
foreground and background tab translations fixed. Before there were no
difference between these two options. Just new tab. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Typo in tdelibs/tdeio -> " Do you want to retry?" -> Space at the begining. |
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| _Chris_ | And at the same time I discovered a missing char in the German translation. Otherwise I had never came to that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Same file "Could not find a usable proxy configuration script" -> Missing point. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: " Opens a TDE properties dialog to allow viewing and modifying of metadata of the given file(s)" -> Missing point. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
" Prints the value for 'key' of the given file(s). 'key' may also be a
comma-separated list of keys" -> Point too. I will not paste that
all. It seems there are now a lot of entries which all lacking the
point. Maybe over 70. So it would be good to check all of that strings
in the file. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny
fact: At the same time in the German translations all the points are
missing, which are *there* in the original strings. Isn't that funny? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Still tdelibs/tdeio: "_n: 1 file %n files" -> I don't know if the
"_" is right here. In German, the first is also "%n". So maybe typo too. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I let that open and after confirmation from you, I will fix it in German, or will mark it as right. |
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| _Chris_ | tdeio fully perfect now. Just that one _N thing needs some love still. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
tdebase/konsole: "Me&ta key as Alt key" should be better
"Use Me&ta key as Alt key". Otherway, it is inconsistent.
I have done it this way in German now. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
tdebase/kdesktop: "File sname where to dump the output in png format"
-> Typo. I am not quite sure, if you fixed that already. It is still
in weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | So, I reviewed all translations I had done already and streamlined them and made them more consistent. Made with love. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Nice to see :) |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/log/ |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Sorry
for highlight you for every typo. But creating every time a ticket is
much too complicated and I think there are not much moments when someone
can review that strings. |
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| SlavekB | All right, I'll try to fix them soon :) |
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| SlavekB | Incidentally,
there is currently a problem with updating translations when updating
the template in Weblate. I'm trying to solve it with the Weblate author. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. Can you quickly help me to determine what was right with the translation I wrote about? %n or _n? |
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| _Chris_ | I would go for the %n. But.. I better ask. |
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| SlavekB | That is why corrections for typing errors for last week did not appear in translations. |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, if the string starts with "_n:", it means it is for plural forms. |
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| _Chris_ | I
understand. But maybe I just reported that one to you. At begining I
just ignored the original typos. But after seeing they are getting more,
I started to report to you. |
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| SlavekB | Now I'll be offline for some time... |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, so that could be right for German, but for English it has to be %n, right? |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, sorry, I take your translations literally from your hand :) |
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| SlavekB | I ran manually updating PO files for recent changes in POT files. |
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| SlavekB | And because it always checks for pending translations, it does commit almost every change you make now :) |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know if I get what you want to say me. :-) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/changes/ |
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| _Chris_ | So because of that.. If I do some translation, it will be merged? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, now I got it. Wonderfull. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Something
very painfull could be timezones or colors. I canceled that at first. I
have made some listing for typos. I am collecting them all. Is a good
list. |
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| SlavekB | For
recent POT file updates, the respective PO files was not been updated
=> problem that I am trying to solve with the Weblate author. |
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| SlavekB | Now I - thanks to his advice - launched this missed update. |
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| SlavekB | ...and during this update it causes virtually instant commits of all new translations that belong to the tde-i18n repository :) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. Maybe that is the reason some translations were still missing for me on my system, which I have made already? |
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| SlavekB | This
is about correcting typos. And yes, the string without typos are
already expected in the current code, while in PO files the original
strings was still with typos. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have noticed that yesterday. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Is the glosary for common expressions, which can be filed there? |
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| _Chris_ | Because I already have made such a list in a textfile. |
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| _Chris_ | It
has needed some time to get used to the used terms and words in the old
translations, so it looks consistent. Therefore the review and fixing
yesterday. |
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| SlavekB | By the way: |
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| SlavekB | -#, no-c-format |
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| SlavekB | -msgid "Edt global floating taskbar configuration" |
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| SlavekB | +#, fuzzy, no-c-format |
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| SlavekB | +#| msgid "Edt global floating taskbar configuration" |
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| SlavekB | +msgid "Edit global floating taskbar configuration" |
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| SlavekB | msgstr "Bearbeite globale Fensterleisten Konfiguration" |
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| SlavekB | ...after update, translations are again marked as fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | That is.. good. You know why? |
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| _Chris_ | Because it seems I have overseen to review that. |
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| SlavekB | It's okay because the original string has changed. |
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| _Chris_ | Better it should be: "Globale Fensterleisten Konfiguration bearbeiten" |
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| _Chris_ | That was... |
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| _Chris_ | kcm...? |
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| SlavekB | kcmtaskbar |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, I don't got what is meant by "floating". |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, thanks. I will review that again. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, are you sure? kcmtaskbar, there are no fuzzy entries for me.. |
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| _Chris_ | All strings: 67; Translated strings: 67. All green and wonderfull. |
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| SlavekB | It is possible that updating the translations into the database will follow. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah. Makes sense. |
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| SlavekB | ...because the update in Weblate is still running :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, although the update is still running, I suppose you should see the changes caused to correct the typos. |
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| SlavekB | :D beautiful, there is now a spinning sprocket in Weblate indicating that the update of component is in progress. |
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| _Chris_ | Very nice. Although I don't see that. |
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| SlavekB | :D done a few seconds ago |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | That
is the good thing about Gentoo. I can quickly rebuild or re-emerge some
packages from master branch. Theoretically, I can use my working branch
for building from it for some thing I want to test. I found very good
icons for the logout dialog by the way. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, yesterday I tried Slax with Trinity and in logout dialog I saw all icons. |
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| pitriss | Devuan have no icons in shutdown menu.. |
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| _Chris_ | I found out what is the problem about the icons. I can show you. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/ksmserver/shutdowndlg.cpp#L900 |
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| _Chris_ | The actions_suspend.png is lacking simply. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/ksmserver/shutdowndlg.cpp#L760 |
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| _Chris_ | For logout "actions_back.png" is used, which is there. But for suspend, freeze and so on, it is lacking. |
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| _Chris_ | But tdepowersave has some good icons for that. And the kickoff menu too. Also some moon icon, for standby. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, to be exact the missing image was for me: /usr/trinity/14/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/hibernate.png |
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| _Chris_ | and: /usr/trinity/14/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/suspend.png |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Maybe Slax is using kickoff menu? |
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| SlavekB | Classic menu. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kicker/data/kickoff/cr128-action-suspend2disk.png |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kicker/data/kickoff/cr128-action-suspend2ram.png |
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| _Chris_ | But that are different images than tdepowersave is using. |
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| _Chris_ | I like the tdepowersaves more, personally. |
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| _Chris_ | There
are icons on some other place too. For standby. And there is some icon
anywhere which could be good for hybrid suspend. Some form of this
suspend2ram and suspend2disk icons in combination. But maybe that is bad
to see in 16x16. |
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| SlavekB | However,
there may be a misunderstanding here: I'm talking about the icons on
the buttons in the logout dialog while you're talking about items in
T-Menu? |
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| _Chris_ | No. The logout dialog. Are you.. using master branch or stable? |
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| SlavekB | R14.0.x |
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| _Chris_ | Pitriss and me are using R14.1.x here to test. |
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| _Chris_ | And this icons are lacking since nearly 1,5 years now. |
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| SlavekB | You can try to download Slax with Trinity and run it :) |
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| _Chris_ | That is, because Michelle has done some refactoring to that part two years ago or so. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, on my common systems I have button icons turned off, so I don't have any icons in the logout dialog :) |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
I will test that. So icons could be again like they were. But R14.1.x
is definitely lacking the icons in TDE classic menu logout dialog. I am
absolutely sure. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | There is also: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdepowersave/src/branch/master/src/pics/cr48-action-stand_by.png |
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| _Chris_ | And that two images from tdepowersave: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdepowersave/src/branch/master/src/pics/cr48-action-suspend_to_ram.png and https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdepowersave/src/branch/master/src/pics/cr48-action-suspend_to_disk.png |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do Slax have already all that suspend options? Freeze, standby, suspend, hibernate and hybrid hibernate? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, all the items. |
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| SlavekB | However, here is one crucial difference - Slax launches the session as a Root user. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, go save me from loading the Slax livecd, can you make some screenshot from the logout dialog if you have time? |
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| SlavekB | Maybe later... |
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| _Chris_ | I
might be wrong with that, but from what I have seen, that should make
no difference. But the icons are missing only in R14.1.x not in R14.0.x,
which Slax is using you said. |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. :-) |
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| SlavekB | It should be noted that the icons in R14.0.x are not very nice. |
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| SlavekB | Here is the same icon for Freeze and Suspend. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. I have done it the same way. For freeze this one would be good. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdepowersave/src/branch/master/src/pics/cr22-action-stand_by.png |
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| _Chris_ | And I am sure there is at some place some image for hybrid mode. Just the icon for suspend and hibernate combinated. |
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| _Chris_ | To
be fair.. I never used freeze here. Because I fair there are dragons
somewhere using that option. Reminds me on some APM option, not ACPI.
But I am not into that. |
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| _Chris_ | *fear |
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| SlavekB | I'm using hibernation on my EeePC. My other machines usually run 24×7. |
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| _Chris_ | I
was used to do that with 24x7 too. But after looking at my
smartmontools, I noticed that some HDDs are running since nearly seven
years. And nearly seven years old. |
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| _Chris_ | But up and down is more likely bad for them than just running 24x7. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly,
I am really not liking all these web based things like weblate. Sad
KBabel. But weblate is very handy and leads to better productivity. From
using it I have to say it's very handy. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I understand. I also have reservations about web applications. But with Weblate I am very happy. |
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| SlavekB | It's great as it is integrated with GIT. |
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| SlavekB | It's great that it provides keyboard shortcuts that allow quick work. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes.
But people are free to use KBabel anyway and submit with a patch if
they wish, so KBabel is still handy too. But all that patching would be
crazy for all that translatations I did.. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, good to know! |
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| _Chris_ | I just used mouse until now. |
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| _Chris_ | But. I have a suggestion, SlavekB. |
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| _Chris_ | Would it not better to use some TDE fitting blue colour instead of green? |
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| _Chris_ | Or is that just in pipeline, just has to be done? |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| SlavekB | Yes, changing the appearance of the periwinkle shade with version 3.7 is strange. |
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| _Chris_ | That's sad. Some blue would be very nice. But maybe later. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I haven't examined yet whether it is easy to customize the style. |
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| _Chris_ | That
reminds me on phpbb2. There was some admin module to change colours on
the fly. But that has always suck the values from the database and has
stolen performance. But CSS file was a bit more complicated. With phpbb3
anyway. That CSS file is just crazy. At least it was back then. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way: I re-though about the refactoring of tdehw Michelle did and
the fact udisks1, udisks2, udevil calls can't be not build in anymore.
Maybe that would be no problem if there would be some module for tdehw
to configure which programs are used for mounting. Default is
testing/using for all. Maybe changing the following would be also handy.
Because.. If I have udisks2 installed here.. But.. Don't want to use
that in TDE, I don' |
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| _Chris_ | t have some option to use pmount for that again. |
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| SlavekB | Michele
assumed that these choices did not require any further dependence
(except for the dbus), and that therefore their building might not be
conditional. |
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| _Chris_ | Reading "assumed" sounds like that could be re-done? That would make me very, very happy. I am sure pitriss too. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I'll discuss it with Michele :) |
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| _Chris_ | Very
nice, SlavekB. That would be very wonderfull too. TDE should be stay
about choice. And not beeing too dependent on too much external things
(at least, if they should be able to deactivate). Imagine if that qt4
change had be done. Or using qt4-webkit. Or using GTK3 rendering for
tqt3. GTK4 is coming already and most distributions have banned qt4. All
that work would be mostly lost now. :-( |
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| SlavekB | I
have no information about whether Tim has any work to be done, but
neither I nor Michele are currently preparing any major change to TQt3. |
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| _Chris_ | Not
to make tims idea about that bad. Using that as option for running TDE
under wayland natively is fine. But it should be optionally then too.
But maybe, in one or two years, running X applications under wayland
will be so good, that there would be not so much need. I am not into
that. But thanks for information about that. |
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| SlavekB | I'll be back online in about an hour... |
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| _Chris_ | See you. |
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| _Chris_ | How lovely. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdebase/ktip/de/?type=todo&offset=9 |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know if someone can read that. But should be definitely translated. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Also for Czech is already translated :) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderfull.
First time I found this.Maybe such a window should be integrated for
"Saying Hello" at first start, for first timers, after install? Or some
ktip joining the TDE IRC by or so. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, I re-fixed that entries you fixed typos for. They were fuzzy, like you said. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I missed on, but I will get that anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | *one |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
tdebase/display -> "Size && Orientation" is it right that it
is written this way? It looks wrong. Is there a reason for that? |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| SlavekB | Yes, although it looks weird, it's actually fine |
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| SlavekB | Remember that & means a keyboard shortcut. |
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| _Chris_ | So "Größe && Ausrichtung" is right? |
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| _Chris_ | So.. & is the shortcut? |
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| _Chris_ | So & for shortcut and & as the letter? |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| * _Chris_ lifts his eyebrowns a bit. |
| _Chris_ | Okay, okay. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Respectively, I'm not sure if && is in this case really a keyboard shortcut, or whether it simply means & as such. |
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| _Chris_ | Therefore the question. I noticed that several times already. But translated it this way exactly. |
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| SlavekB | In Czech we have "Velikost a orientace". |
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| SlavekB | "&" was replaced to "and" ("a" in Czech). |
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| _Chris_ | Good to know. But & is fine here for German. Because words are long anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, if we are at tdebase/display: "Graphics Adaptor" -> Should that not better "Graphics card"? |
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| _Chris_ | Or "Video card"? I don't know. |
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| SlavekB | I assume that an adapter was used here, because was there possibly a graphics accelerator? |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. |
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| a-865 | is mirror system for TDE/Buster down? I'm getting 404 from apt update |
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| SlavekB | What apt source do you use? |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian buster main |
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| a-865 | 404 from 37.205.10.16 |
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| a-865 | it worked 2 hours ago |
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| SlavekB | This
explains it. Buster is not in official R14.0.6, but only in Preliminary
Stable Builds => upcoming R14.0.7, or in Preliminary Testing Builds
=> upcoming R14.1.0. |
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| a-865 | OK. I had thought earlier I had switch from PSB, then changed my mind about trying. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thx! |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| a-865 | right now I'm focused on getting my stretches onto 14.0.6 |
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| a-865 | should have quite a while back |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, wow, nice I get notification about added new language for tdebase/kcmdisplayconfig :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Empty
one. I have to fill that these days. I just discovered it by random,
thinking it was 100% already at first. tdebase is nearly 100%, except so
5 packages, which are a bit more painfull (colour names, timezones,
paperformats). |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Next
release (14.0.7) I will make some advertisement at pro-linux.de
(website I linked in konqueror), because they do write about TDE for
every new release. But in the comment section some people are spreaning
fud. But all German there, so maybe they will be happy about near
perfect translation for tdebase. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Great (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: Thanks for merging. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way. I have a lot of typos for you at some point. But, if you fix
them all, they other languages are marked as fuzzy and we don't have
someone for every language. Result will be much worse translation. So
for some missing point, the translation don't has to be fuzzy. Maybe you
find some setting in weblate to disable this for some changes. |
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| SlavekB | tagging fuzzy is done by msgmerge during update from template. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, other option would be (with some script) to remove fuzzy afterwards for that strings again. |
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| Chris__ | :-) |
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| Chris__ | By
the way: SlavekB - Would it be much work for you to start the merging
of translations into master? That way, I can review them. Just when you
have time. :-) |
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| pitriss | Last
fake fire alarm i came to the guys from different department i was
convincing them to get out with words "guys what about having smoke
break".. :D |
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| SlavekB | Translations
from TDE Weblate are pushed to TDE Gitea automatically. Subsequent
merge from master to r14.0.x branch is a question of running the
script... |
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| Chris__ | Ah, good to know then. :-) |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
In Amarok translating I have some entries which seems to trigger bugs
in weblate. Firstly it seems unchanged value (so it should be same
string) but in fact, it isn't true. I can't get it green. Secondly, I
have "Label:" here and "Kennung:" both with some ":" at the end. But it
says the ":" is still missing. Retyped it mutiple times - No change.
This things are getting more.. |
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| Chris__ | Maybe I broke weblate. :-) |
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| Chris__ | "Debugging" -> "Fehlersuche" -> Unchanged translation.. |
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| SlavekB | I'm looking at it right now :) |
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| Chris__ | Now.. |
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| Chris__ | All green, instantly.. |
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| Chris__ | Seems
I am blind: Applications/Kima -> "Quits the application" ->
"Beendet das Programm" = Not green, because... "Point at the end"?! |
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| Chris__ | Or, same application: "Exit" -> "Beenden" = "Unchanged string". |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| Chris__ | But there is some system behind that I discovered.. |
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| Chris__ | If the strong is somwhere else.. It often displayes "unchanged string". Without any chance to get it green.. |
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| Chris__ | Same
project: "Host not found" -> "Rechner nicht gefunden" = Point at the
end.. I will stop to translate that project, because there is no point
if the things can't be saved. :-( |
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| SlavekB | I tried to force the reload of translations in applications/kima. |
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| Chris__ | Okay, thank you. I will try that again. |
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| SlavekB | I see kima/de 100% - green. |
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| Chris__ | applications/kmplayer
still: "Deinterlacing" -> "Deinterlacing". No message about
anything, but will be marked red, because of quality problem? |
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| Chris__ | Oh, okay. |
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| Chris__ | Maybe I am faster then Weblate. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I trigger update applications/kmplayer... |
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| Chris__ | Oh, now I get a spinning gear. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| Chris__ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | Maybe I should force an update for all applications/* |
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| Chris__ | I got that in tdebase too. |
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| Chris__ | Therefore I don't got really 100%. |
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| Chris__ | Now.. |
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| Chris__ | KMplayer got 100%. |
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| SlavekB | Ok, forced update for all applications :) |
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| Chris__ | Wonderfull. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
Does someone check the italian translations which are made? I came to
them by random and some changes.. I don't know italian language, but
some things look wrong. And I don't mean by language itself. For example
changing or translating application names or something like that. |
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| Chris__ | Like: "KNetworkManager" -> "KNetworkmanager", which should be the exact name of the application. |
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| Chris__ | Or I am wrong. |
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| Chris__ | But Michelle should be able to check that changes, I think. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, Michele would be suitable for such a check. |
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| Chris__ | There is some user who contributed a lot too there. Maybe Michelle should re-check that at any time, at least quickly. |
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| Chris__ | *Just fly over it |
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| Chris__ | But this one did a lot of translation too. Good to see other languages are under work too. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Good - I found a better command - updatechecks! |
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| SlavekB | Now is underway... |
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| Chris__ | Wonderfull. Maybe that will work better. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Although the update of checks is only 5% complete, it starts to look better. |
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| SlavekB | For example Amarok for Czech report only one "same translation", but when I open it I see 25 strings to fix :) |
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| Chris__ | That are good news, SlavekB. |
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| Chris__ | That is good? That seems to be inconsistent, or I am wrong here? |
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| SlavekB | For all checks are listed 3, whe I open it, I see 111 strings :) |
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| Chris__ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | I assume that summaries will be updated when the update checks will be completed. |
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| Chris__ | Yes, that was my idea too. |
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| * Chris__ waits that R14.1.x branch will be updated, so he can review some things. :-) |
| SlavekB | ...meanwhile I move from work to home machine :) |
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| Chris__ | Trinity every adventures. :-) |
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| * Chris__ pulls the new changes. |
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| Chris__ | Wonderfull. kcmscreensaver does not expand to the sides anymore when switching from kcmbackground. :-) |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
tdelibs/tdelibs -> "Since then, TDE has evolved to be an indipendent
and standalone computer desktop environment project." ->
Independent. :-) |
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| Chris__ | And
if you fix this, you could do some new paragraph for the "Since then"
part. Otherwise they are just sticking togehter in a ugly way. |
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| Chris__ | Or some <br> is missing. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: :-) |
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| Chris__ | You fixed it already. And I see the spinning gear in Weblate too. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, "indipendent" fixed :) |
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| SlavekB | ...and all pending translations pushed to be ready for merge into stable branch. |
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| Chris__ | Wonderfull. |
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| SlavekB | Also update for checks on applications is finished. |
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| Chris__ | Very good, SlavekB. That are next. At least after I got that big tdelibs/tdelibs block done. :-) |
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| Chris__ | Fixed
also some typos and replaced old websites with new ones. Most likely I
will do some commit by myself, which contains some fixes for the
original strings. Some global polishing of ktips. |
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| Chris__ | I
have seen that most likely Michelle has added also some new strings, or
changed them. So they are marked for translating too. Read something
about mount. These strings were too common, but more specific now. But I
will go to sleep now. Wish you all a good night. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, some new code related to unlock / lock LUKS volumes. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/39 |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, all checks should now be updated. |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you, SlavekB.Yes, I noticed, that all the already checked entries were reseted, sadly. |
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| _Chris_ | Let me check that again now. |
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| SlavekB | Today I finished the update of checks on the main modules. |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | may I please ask: |
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| Rojola | How can I call "kwrite" from trinity desktop via the console? |
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| Rojola | or a better example: |
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| Rojola | filezilla lets me choose, which program I want to edit a file with. |
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| Rojola | The program "kwrite" is unknown |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
But quality checks are reseted now. Is that every time now? Because
than it is pointless to review this things and mark them as okay. Look
for tdebase in German. Sadly there is a lot yellow now again. |
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| Rojola | when I enter /usr/bin/kwrite, I get the KDE4-kwrite |
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| Rojola | _Chris_, no clue what the topic is about, but I read German - I can help with a German translation if needed. |
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| SlavekB | Hi Rojola, most of TDE applications is in /opt/trinity/bin. |
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| Rojola | thank you SlavekB |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola:
Oh, hello. No, that was some other topic. Wonderfull. I am doing German
translation. And yes, help would be wonderfull. :-) |
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| Rojola | _Chris_, give me a text - I can do a translation right now |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, /opt/trinity/bin/kwrite works |
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| Rojola | thank you |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. That is now the way it works, Rojola. |
| _Chris_ | Rojola: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/ |
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| _Chris_ | You can register there. Or you can add suggestion, without any account. |
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| _Chris_ | You don't need need any other skills. There is a *lot* to translate there. Are you native speaking German? |
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| Rojola | Yes, native German speaker |
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| SlavekB | It is better to register because translations will be saved with your name as the author. |
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| _Chris_ | Very good. Which TDE version you use? |
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| Rojola | I wouldn't offer it if I wasn't a native speaker :) |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, yes _this_ is what I want to avoid... my name showing somewhere... |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: I just was not sure. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Same to me. TDE is not forcing you to do. |
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| Rojola | R 14.0.5 |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Your name here would be enough. Or you simply do changes without adding you as translator. |
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| SlavekB | The name appears as author of commits, may not be in translations itself :) |
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| Rojola | the
problem is, that I need some context... for example, I am being asked,
how I would translate: "Your names"... my first question: Why
is it a plural? Why names and not name? |
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| Rojola | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdeartwork/kxsconfig/de/?type=nottranslated |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Good point. You have to understand that this filed is for translator names.. |
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| Rojola | And: Will we use the formal "Sie" or informal "Du"? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: You are sooo right. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Rojola: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Weblate_Translation_Workspace#Updating_translators_information |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: For German please use "Sie". |
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| SlavekB | In guide you can read: "These strings have a special meaning: they are not to be translated as strings,..." |
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| Rojola | oh... :) |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: I have invested a lot of time for translating at least the tdebase part more and better. |
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| Rojola | so these are my names :) |
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| Rojola | I am more than willing to help, but please tell me: Why do we need a translation at all? |
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| Rojola | I am using trinity in English and never ever thought German a possibility |
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| Rojola | aren't all Linux users good in English anyway? |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Now, that is a personal thing, I think. KDE3 was translated too. |
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| SlavekB | I always prefer my own language :) |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, by the way - any risk that trinity is going to disappear? |
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| Rojola | I am really scared or having to change my desktop environment |
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| Rojola | KDE4 was a real shock back in the day. |
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| Rojola | I need kde3 (trinity) a _lot_ |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: But good to know. I can ask you something if I am not sure which translation is better. If you are here than. |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: TDE is kicking more then ever. :-) |
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| Rojola | _Chris_, aren't you a native German speaker? You seem to be a t-mobile user located in Germany |
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| Rojola | really? Amazing :) |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: TDE team just started weblate and gitea. This leads to more productivity. |
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| Rojola | good to hear |
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| Rojola | I have another question concerning the translation |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola:
Right. I am native speaking. But the German translation for KDE is and
was always.. interesting. I want to preserve it's style, but also fix
too long strings, for example. That problem you have not in English. |
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| Rojola | I think, translations should be consistent. Now, for example I am being asked, what I'd translate "this tiles" with. |
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| Rojola | In Windows, they called "tiles" Kacheln, if I remember correctly |
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| Rojola | however, "tiles" could also be "Fliesen" |
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| Rojola | now, let's say I call it Kacheln, but an other translator called it "Kacheln"... that would be irritating |
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| Rojola | how should I go about this? |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Exactly that is the point. In German I am still figuring out what is really consistent. |
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| Rojola | and: Am I allowed to interpret it a little? |
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| Rojola | example: |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola:
Hm, you have to see the context then. Better just read some entries.
You have to get used to the style the language was used in KDE3. |
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| Rojola | "thin tiles". I want to go for: "Kleine Kacheln" |
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| Rojola | however, "thin" means "dünn" |
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| Rojola | but I would _not_ call it "Dünne Kacheln" |
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| Rojola | So, can I name it how I think it makes sense? |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Funny thing is if you come about: "Panel". That cann be a lot for German translation. |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Which module or part of TDE are you translating? |
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| Rojola | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdeartwork/kxsconfig/de/?type=nottranslated&offset=3 |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Have you added that suggestion I see? :-) |
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| Rojola | yes |
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| Rojola | you see what I suggested? |
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| _Chris_ | "Kachel" should be right, because other strings of the same part use that term too. |
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| Rojola | Who translates "Anemone" as "Dämon" ? |
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| Rojola | Anemone = Anemone in German as well |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I see it. You can add suggestions and I can apply them later, if you
want it this way. But, better would be to start with some more easy
part. I would say, start with something you are bugged with, that it is
still in English.. But you aren't. :-) |
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| Rojola | I am not bugged with anything |
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| Rojola | I am using the English version ^.^ |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola:
Yes, there is a lot of crap in the German translations. You have to
understand that often there was a translation, but it was marked for
"look for it". So that entries can help you, or they are totaly wrong. |
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| Rojola | omg... |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Maybe you can start with tdegraphics or so? |
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| Rojola | thickness - "Dicke" |
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| Rojola | who did that? |
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| Rojola | tdegraphics - ok - link please |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: I don't know. These entries are often more than ten years old. |
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| SlavekB | You can found it in projects :) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/projects/ |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/languages/de/tdegraphics/ |
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| SlavekB | For
each translation you can see the History link. Accordingly, you can see
if it is an old translation that has been imported or has already been
translated in the TDE Weblate (TWTW). |
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| SlavekB | As _Chris_ said, most of these are old translations that have been imported. |
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| Rojola | most of this seems to be translated? |
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| Rojola | of /tdegraphics/ |
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| Rojola | I go nuts... help me |
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| Rojola | so, I am here: |
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| Rojola | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdegraphics/kcm_kviewviewerpluginsconfig/de/?type=todo |
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| Rojola | then I have to enter my name + email |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola:
There is a lot of work there still. The goal is, to get them all green
and at 100%. What application you want to translate? Better is to be
always in context and not do one translation there and one in a
different part. |
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| Rojola | then I get back to the previous page |
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| Rojola | then I enter name + email again |
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| Rojola | and again I get back to the previous page |
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| _Chris_ | Let me some moment. Cool down. :-) |
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| Rojola | I can really do some translation, but _you_ tell me what you need |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Yes. You had bad luck. |
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| Rojola | I will just do it |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: This one just has this two ones. |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Better use some "real" module. Like. Wait. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdegraphics/kcoloredit/de/?type=todo&offset=1 |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way. Sometimes there are translation, which shouldn't be
translated. Just copy the original entry then. You have to get a feel
for that. You learn if you look for other translations. It's a progress. |
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| _Chris_ | Like
you see. That is for kcoloredit. You know that, you know the context
more or less. That is a good thing to begin with. Not the parts you
don't really know what it is about, you know? |
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| Rojola | ok |
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| Rojola | I always get back to "Your names" and "your email" :( |
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| _Chris_ | Also,
I do it the way, that I have some priority: Translate first, what first
time users could see at first using TDE. This ultra hidden settings are
not that bad like beeing greeted with missing translations for setting
some background, for example. That was the part I invested a lot of time
into now. And tdebase is really in a good shape now. But I am still
bringing it in a more consistent state. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you can skip that. Or better, you just write your Nick here. And for email you can write "(Keine Email)". |
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| Rojola | even when I skip it |
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| Rojola | I always get back to the same fields |
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| _Chris_ | So: Your name: "Rojola (TDE" Your email: "Rojola". |
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| _Chris_ | Let me check that. |
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| SlavekB | For information: These data are used in the About dialog box on the Translation tab. |
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| _Chris_ | First entry for me is here: "TDE Color Chooser". |
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| Rojola | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/projects/tdegraphics/kgamma/de/ |
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| Rojola | skip / skip / and I am back at the beginning |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: I send you tdecoloredit. Please do that one first, okay? |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Oh, you are done. |
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| Rojola | let's do it together: |
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| Rojola | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdegraphics/kcm_kviewviewerpluginsconfig/de/ |
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| Rojola | Your names: => skip |
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| Rojola | Your emails => skip |
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| Rojola | now it works... |
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| Rojola | why does it only work every 4th or 5th time?! |
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| Rojola | there is a serious bug in that thing |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: kgamma for example just has three translations. Two of them are name and email. |
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| Rojola | now, I clicked on "Skip" for Viewer, and I am back again |
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| _Chris_ | You
have to watch for the numbers. If there are just two translations and
they are name and email and you skip them, you will be done, without
doing anything. Pointless. |
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| _Chris_ | Let me check that. |
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| Rojola | I need to figure out that system |
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| _Chris_ | What viewer exactly? |
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| Rojola | I don't know, it asked for "viewer" |
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| Rojola | I did not know what this will be used for, so I skipped it |
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| _Chris_ | Which project? |
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| Rojola | I don't know |
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| _Chris_ | Better
skip a lot then translating it wrong. I will look for it anyway. But
that can take some time. But I will review it, for sure. |
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| Rojola | it would be good to see, what parts have many untranslated strings |
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| Rojola | in German |
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| _Chris_ | You
have to get used to the system, yes. You have to get what project you
translate and how many and what type of entries are marked for
tanslation. |
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| Rojola | like: "Here are 918 words missing in German" [click] |
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| _Chris_ | You can see that, in fact. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/projects/tdegraphics/ |
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| _Chris_ | You see the bars? |
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| _Chris_ | Green is translated. |
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| _Chris_ | You see 78%, for example. |
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| Rojola | I am here now: |
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| Rojola | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/languages/de/tdegraphics/ |
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| _Chris_ | Red and yellow means: There are translations already there, but unknown if they are right. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, me too. You see the bars? |
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| Rojola | yes |
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| Rojola | kcm_kviewpluginsconfig looks like it needs translation |
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| _Chris_ | "Zeichenketten:". |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but. |
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| _Chris_ | I wouldn't start with that. Because most likely the context will be not so easy to get. |
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| _Chris_ | kcm means it is some control module. From the control center. |
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| _Chris_ | Better is to get this "Zeichenketten: 99%" to 100%. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
not pointless to get all tdegraphics projects to 100%. Sometimes one
project is lacking just two translations. But TDE has a lof of projects.
Every project which you get tot 100% is wonderfull. Because we know
than it is done finaly. |
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| Rojola | it's totally devastating. I don't understand the website |
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| Rojola | I am clicking around and around and I have no idea how to get to translations |
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| Rojola | I must stop this now, it's really devastating |
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| Rojola | if the system gave me ALL untranslated strings, one by one, and I could just translate or skip it... |
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| Rojola | I would sit for a long, long, long time |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: The kgamma thing, with the xserver was very good. I have apply that. |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Yes, you need to get used to that. I had to do too. |
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| Rojola | do you also receive the suggestions for other lanuages? |
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| _Chris_ | No, just German. But if someone is translating in different languages, he can read your suggestions for this languages too. |
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| Rojola | oh I see. |
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| Rojola | okay, then I switch back to German |
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| Rojola | just translated turkish |
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| _Chris_ | You you don't want to have your nickname at least in name? |
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| Rojola | no, why? |
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| Rojola | <== not important |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
for me that was also not important, but otherwise you don't get the
100%. That is important to have some overview. So I will add my name
then. |
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| Rojola | whatever floats your boat |
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| Rojola | Who the hell translated "Rotate Right" as "Nach rechts tröpfeln lassen" |
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| _Chris_ | Also notice the "Zeichenketten mit Übersetzungsvorschlägen", or the red ones. |
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| Rojola | "Rotate Left" was translated with "Löschen nach links" |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: Good question. You know now what I have read the last days. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola: I don't know how it is in different languages about that. But in German there was and still is a lot of crap. |
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| Rojola | that's inaccaptable.. |
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| Rojola | really, either one gives a good translation, or none at all |
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| _Chris_ | Rojola:
But I have to do something now. Just add suggestions. If I came about
them (and I will do that, because I aim to fully translate TDE into
German), I will take them. Every help is welcome! :-) |
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| Rojola | cool |
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| Rojola | okay, _Chris_ have a nice evening |
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| Rojola | thank you SlavekB for your help |
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| _Chris_ | So, I did some commits. Let's see if they are okay. :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
I rejected the pending suggestion to use "anonynmous" for "Your names"
and "Your emails" because making such a change doesn't make sense. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. That was I wanted to talk with you tomorrow. I can't rejected them, so it got not green. |
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| _Chris_ | So thanks for that. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Thank you for your pull-requests :) |
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| _Chris_ | I hope they are all good this way. Just learning. Step by step. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | That
are just things we talked here about more or less. The upper case tags
are very bad for weblate. Sometimes they were used too in strings.
Weblate have problems with them. |
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| SlavekB | I
think it looks good. Here we just need to synchronize the pull-request
merge and update for translation templates and make similar changes to
existing translations. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I know. I though some time about that. I don't know if that can be made
100% for all languages. But progress should happen, also if that mean
that some languages get more "fuzzy". Would be nice if every language
had his maintainer. That way changes to upstream strings could be
hand-in-hand worked with the translators. Let's hope weblate will get
more popular for TDE. But today I have learned, that giving everyone
access to |
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| _Chris_ | weblate
for really changing strings, could be also some bad thing.. I had at
some point real fear, that somethings happens to my already made
translations. I know, I can reset them, but anyway. I have to notice
first. |
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| SlavekB | It's great that Weblate allows you to keep your own translation history - besides how translations are committed to git. |
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| SlavekB | This will make it possible to revert any changes made inadvertently. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
than I have to learn more about that. Just though what happens, someone
change the already translated strings and I can't track what happened. |
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| _Chris_ | But I can understand, that people have to get used to weblate and translating. I needed that too. |
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| _Chris_ | How can I reject suggestions I get in German? |
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| SlavekB | When
you open the appropriate translation, you switch to the suggestions, so
there are buttons to confirm or delete the proposal. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay. Thank you. Just have seen the "use" and "use and edit" buttons. Or how they are called in your language. |
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| SlavekB | For me are Přijmout, Přijmout a upravit and Smazat :) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, but you know what I mean. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Where the removal of the proposal is simply its rejection. |
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| SlavekB | In this way, I have repeatedly rejected the "Your names" and "Your emails" translation suggestions in several languages :) |
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| _Chris_ | But
I still have problems with weblate. For example, it is so bad now, that
there are strings, both without any points, but there are warnings
about points. Can't get it green. That is very demotivating for me. I
lose the overview. How is that possible? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
But I had to laugh, when the user some hours ago wrote, that he don't
know, how to translate "your name". Exactly what you wrote to me some
days ago. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Does this mean that some checks are still reported incorrectly? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it is a lot worse now. Firstly, I completely lost all my marks (the ones like same translation, point, and, and, and). |
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| _Chris_ | Secondly,
now I get more marks for edit, because of points, when there aren't any
points. I don't have some example now. Maybe in short time, I have
some. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
no problem to re-do that again. But it should last, if it is green.
This way I can keep up with changes and keep German up to date and have
some overview.. |
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| SlavekB | I can once again run the update checks for all components. |
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| _Chris_ | I fear that is not the problem. Seems weblate does simply misunderstand some strings. |
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| _Chris_ | I
mean, if there are no points, where is the.. "point", to warn for
points? And if you click to ignore that... I doesn't apply. Why ever. |
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| SlavekB | For
example, I see bad check with a bad semicolon in a TDE/tde-i18n
project/component. But this project/component is empty => this is
only here to register the tde-i18n git repository as such. |
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| _Chris_ | So you see, what I mean. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
What I want to do also maybe, I don't know when, is to add some options
to compile amarok more modulary. So deactivating ruby, media device
support, or lastfm. That can't be disabled. Also lastfm support seems to
be broken anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | But this way, you could simply exclude broken features until they are working. |
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| SlavekB | Here will be the task of completing the CMake conversion of Amarok. |
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| SlavekB | I suppose Greg sooner or later will do it. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, maybe I can learn about CMake too. I don't know. I just need some mentoring. |
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| _Chris_ | That would be nice. Last time I checked that in amarok, it was not possible to build. |
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| SlavekB | For CMake conversion we will definitely want to have the WITH_ <feature> options here. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, Amarok is not ready to build with CMake - it is necessary to use automake there. |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
Also.. next xine-lib release will break amarok. I know that, because I
use master from xine-lib and I am more or less in touch with the both
devs (petri and thorsten). |
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| _Chris_ | And kaffeine too. Because it is using some xine-lib internal, which isn't offically API. |
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| _Chris_ | But that are just some little changes. |
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| _Chris_ | xine-lib
is still in development, or better again. And they do it the same way
like the TDE project. No too much change, but evolution instead of
revolution. It is got better and better since last year. Streaming music
over amarok loads much, much faster now with recent xine-lib for
example. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Good to hear. I use Amarok with xine-lib every day. |
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| _Chris_ | Me too. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | It is a very good thing, TDE has not to maintain that backend, but the player itself will be getting better and better. |
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| _Chris_ | I made arts-plugin for xine-lib work again. And it will be added to xine-lib back again at some point. |
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| _Chris_ | So
you can select "arts" as output for amarok. For me that is handy,
because my X-FI sound card which can hardware mixing, has some bug. If
too many programs output sound, there will be broken sound. So I route
some output over arts, which is one source for the sound card. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | But
that streamlining and update of the dialogs (pull-requests) was needed.
That way the next release will be very polished. I have often read in
comments from german news portals, that people feel that TDE could be
bad maintained. Or just "half way", because it was inconsistent in
German. That gave people like "graeslin" (if you know, what person I
mean..) some stuff to attack in comments, like saying TDE people do
messy work.. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I remember his frequent attacks. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have read a lot about what he did to TDE too. The story about renaming
kwin. Krita people wanted the same, therefore today it is called chalk,
right? |
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| SlavekB | ...and his insistence that we should throw away TWin and use KWin from KDE5 instead it. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, Krita is renamed to Chalk in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I read that crap. Installing half KDE4 framework, just for using it's kwin4 in TDE as default. |
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| _Chris_ | At least it is choice in TDE. Choice is no problem. But that suggestion to use kwin4 as only option just was bad. |
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| SlavekB | To me the most "liked", as he advocated that they fixed many bugs there... |
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| SlavekB | ...but it was a lot of bugs they made with KDE4. |
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| _Chris_ | I
had no single crash with twin, since I use it. No single one. It works
perfectly the way it did back in KDE3. And TDE users aren't missing
something. So I don't get his point. Yes, in theory there will be maybe
some commits that can be backported. But if that has real influence, I
don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | I
did some check some time ago for backporting some single commits of
KDE4 KHTML back to TDE. That's possible, but a lot of work. And most
likely no one will feel the commits. I don't know if that should be
done. Maybe selective. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, tdehtml would be good to improve or find some good way to use another rendering engine. |
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| _Chris_ | But don't some related to Qt(5). You will be dependent. And it will run TDE away. |
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| _Chris_ | But, have you read what I wrote about the Netsurf project? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I have the Opera 12x sources here too. Custom build. Sadly it is not the one year older and native Qt3 version they used. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I read your words about Netsurf. |
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| _Chris_ | Other way, at least something would be possible with that. Excecpt the licensing thing. But otherwise, there are only webkit. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Can you report that weblate problem of wrong warnings to the weblate author? |
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| SlavekB | I want to try once again to force the update of the checks - in bulk for all projects and components. |
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| _Chris_ | Good, maybe that will fix it finaly. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But I understand, that people are confused, if they want to translate and get something like that: " *.ps|PostScript (*.ps)". |
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| _Chris_ | PaleMoon just crashed. Too much weblate for it. |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| SlavekB | Palemoon has not crashed me for a long time. |
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| * _Chris_ giggles. |
| _Chris_ | For me too. So no problem. I added it in the commit, by the way, if you have noticed. :-) |
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| SlavekB | yes, noticed :) |
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| _Chris_ | Though about WaterFox. But we can't take all. If someone want to have, he can add that too. |
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| _Chris_ | Just feels trusty, if new users see that TDE thinks about recent browsers. Good sign. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: How is it possible to search for some word in weblate globaly? |
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| _Chris_ | Or at least, let's say, in whole tdelibs? |
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| SlavekB | On dashboard you can use Tools / Search. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Something like that -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdegraphics/kooka/de/?type=allchecks
-> Is that intendet? I mean the spaces at the end and at the
begining? If so - Weblate does automatically remove these spaces. |
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| SlavekB | weblate can preserve spaces |
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| _Chris_ | The question is, if these spaces are intended. |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdegraphics/src/branch/master/kooka/img_saver.cpp#L713 |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly what I was looking at now. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure if it was just "aesthetic" reason or why. |
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| _Chris_ | It looks that way.. |
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| SlavekB | It seems to be a message that can be written to the log / console when debugging. |
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| SlavekB | It was probably the intention that the statement was more readable. However, when translating it is hard to keep it the same. |
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| _Chris_ | I have keept it that way. Doesn't hurt. Interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | Next one will be more difficult again. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdegraphics/kooka/de/?type=allchecks&offset=4 |
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| _Chris_ | Find the ":" in the strings. :-) |
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| SlavekB | ok, i just try to run an update check again... |
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| _Chris_ | No, just found out something interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | There is some ":", but in -> tdegraphics/libkscan, which weblate automatically found. |
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| SlavekB | Ach, I see - similar string in kooka and libkscan. |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely, it is comparing these two. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but when I disable that warning for kooka, it wil not have any effect. |
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| _Chris_ | That's not how it should work. |
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| _Chris_ | So I have the choice now, is libkscan right here, of kooka? |
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| _Chris_ | Or, maybe it was intendet, that in kooka it had no ":", because original kooka string not had it either. |
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| SlavekB | It seems that in both cases the source string is without a colon. |
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| _Chris_ | I get "Change in compare to this edit" -> "Scan-Parameter:". |
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| _Chris_ | From tdegraphics/libkscan. |
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| SlavekB | So it looks like the colon should be removed in libkscan. |
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| _Chris_ | Looks so. |
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| SlavekB | I suppose by removing the colon in libkscan translation, the check should be satisfied. |
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| _Chris_ | That fixed it both. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. In Kooka and in libkscan. |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe it isn't bugged. Just more complicated. |
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| _Chris_ | But do teach that some translators without any clue. |
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| SlavekB | Interestingly, the check does not just check to the source string, but also the between same translations. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | That is handy, but can be confusing too. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, before we understood where the problem was, it took us some time. |
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| _Chris_ | And there is a missing point, I think. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdegraphics/src/branch/master/kooka/ksaneocr.cpp#L1386 |
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| _Chris_ | German has it, original string not. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I will review the translations I could not get green then these days. Maybe that clears all. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there seem to be many messages where the end points are inconsistent. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have some list already. :-/ |
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| _Chris_ | Often,
in German, "!" is replaced with some ".". Just because German have some
different mentality about that. At least the German translation is that
so all the way. |
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| _Chris_ | Image will not be saved! -> Die Speicherung des Bildes ist nicht möglich. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, in Czech we have it alike. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
it feels too intrusive. That is what I mean about get used to the style
of your language in TDE. Some new translator will most likely just take
it the way it is original, without any bad will. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe such tips can be added to the wiki page, for translating. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, certainly, there is a good reason to create wiki pages where information about translations could be maintained. |
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| SlavekB | There could be both common information and also language-related pages. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, a good idea with "translation/" prefix for branch names in pull-requesters. I appreciate that. |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you. Wasn't sure about it.And for Qt to TQt and KDE to TDE changes, I use "branding/". |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I noticed it a while ago :) |
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| _Chris_ | You see all. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Some further example for that wiki page about translation. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdegraphics/src/branch/master/kviewshell/kviewpart.cpp#L1421 |
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| _Chris_ | Should
be clear, that something like that should not be translated in
something different. At least it has to be consistent between all the
languages. Not it is translated in some nice sounding name in CZ, but
not in German, for example. |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdegraphics/src/branch/master/kviewshell/kviewpart.cpp#L1421 |
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| SlavekB | For such strings, I very often hesitate whether they are suitable for translation or not. |
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| _Chris_ | We did have the same translation? |
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| SlavekB | ...and mostly left without translation. |
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| SlavekB | No, I just accidentally inserted the clipboard content... :) |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. Maybe that could be some bigger project, to remove that and make it constant. |
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| _Chris_ | Project by project then. I don't know. Just some idea. Or instruct translators to be carefull. |
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| _Chris_ | But I translate these strings anyway. Only on this way, I can get some overview. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdegraphics/tdeiconedit/de/?type=allchecks |
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| _Chris_ | Now there is the same translation in kolourpaint as in tdeiconedit. Exactly the same. But it not goes green. |
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| _Chris_ | And I don't see anything. |
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| _Chris_ | It's just don't green, because it is in some different project too. |
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| _Chris_ | Failed quality check. |
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| _Chris_ | But, if I change the tab to "automatic translation", I get this. |
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| _Chris_ | "Die
Anfrage nach automatischer Übersetzung durch Weblate ist
fehlgeschlagen: MachineTranslationError: AttributeError: Can't get
attribute 'W3Segment' on" -> Sounds like weblate is having problems. |
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| _Chris_ | Good night. :-) |
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| SlavekB | good night :) |
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| a-865 | /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt exists, from package rootcerts ?!?! |
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| a-865 | fixed by reinstalling rootcerts :-p |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: Thank you, for merging my commits. :-) |
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| MicheleC | @_Chris_: thanks for your contributions. Keep it up! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC:
Yes, I have a lot in pipeline. Mostly cosmetical things and so on. But
these way, no one different have to do that. I am also creating some new
ktips, for a better integrated community feeling of TDE. Just learning
to get used to the workflow of doing things for TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh, you fixed the trolltech link in the other translations too. Wonderfull. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Was it just the typo with the missing space or is there anything different what I can do better next time? |
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| _Chris_ | By the way. Good idea with the script. Now the languages are in sync. :-) |
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| Fabio_ | !!! |
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| tbottu | Fabio_: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
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| Fabio_ | Hello, is there support for bluetooth in trinity? |
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| _Chris_ | By the way. I just found another missing "kde-look" in ktip. We all have overseen it, it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Fabio_: Hello. No, actually not. It's broken from what I know at the moment. |
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| SlavekB | In
tdelibs it was only missing space => because texts are joined,
without this space, Weblate and Translation was joined into one word. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, normaly I was knowing that. But simply overseen it. |
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| SlavekB | As you can see, I tried to make merge your changes into existing translations to avoid unnecessary fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have seen that some minutes ago. |
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| SlavekB | It seems that just this overlooked kde-look was the reason why it failed in some tips in ktip :) |
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| SlavekB | However, it affects only a few translations. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm? No. Now, there is one kde-look in the original string still and in translations too. Or I am completely wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | href=\"http://trinity-look.org\" title=\"trinitylook\">kde-look.org |
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| _Chris_ | It's in the ksvg ktip. |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/ktip/tips#L931 |
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| _Chris_ | I
thought that next time maybe it would be better just to change the
original string and run some script on tde-i18n in addition and do that
as two commits. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting, SlavekB. |
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| _Chris_ | I found it in this one. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/commit/?id=1d12fc5b |
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| _Chris_ | The second link in the KSVG ktip. |
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| SlavekB | Fabio_, here you can see some initial work, but not done for now: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/deloptes/tdebluez |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: By the way. There is another one -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/filelight/commit/?id=967707b4 |
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| Fabio_ | ok |
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| _Chris_ | Not a wrong link. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, no. Just forget it. Wrong read by me. |
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| Fabio_ | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | Good to see other languages also get some love. |
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| SlavekB | With kde-look, it seems to have been my fault during merge into existing translations :( |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, so I haven't see something wrong. Just by random. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Have you seen my new pull-request by the way? I fixed further typos. Do
I need to rebase the branch now to make one commit? Is that the regular
working flow? |
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| _Chris_ | And
I wanted to ask if some edit of the original pull-request (the
description) triggers new email notifications or not. Just had some fear
to spam the mailinglist with that or something like that. |
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| SlavekB | Editing the subject of pull-request does not cause email. |
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| SlavekB | Commits cause emails to trinity-commits mailing list :) |
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| _Chris_ | I see. So changing "WIP:" doesn't bug anyone. |
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| SlavekB | For your commits to fix typos, you can squash commits into one. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I exactly wanted to do that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise that would look ugly in the log. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, because it's not the main branch, so you can push it using --force and replace commits. |
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| _Chris_ | But the rebasing before the merge will be done by the person which does the merge, right? |
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| _Chris_ | I mean the rebase if there were new commits since starting working on some thing. |
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| SlavekB | You can rebase yourself, perform squash and then use --force to push your new branch status. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, understood. |
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| _Chris_ | Weblate is timing out for me here. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, when an update is made and PO files are updated, Weblate responds more slowly for some time :( |
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| SlavekB | I do not know yet why this is happening and what I could do to help. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, if that is the reason, then all is good. So no problem at all. |
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| _Chris_ | The
website links like in konversion or kolourpaint also have to be
replaced with the one of trinity. Or better remove the owl link from the
code. Normaly all translations should be removed too afterwards, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Kolourpaint
for example don't need any link, because it hosted anyway by TDE now.
So removing that from the code would be the cleanest solution. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Maybe I have overseen it, but I don't find some editor in gitea when writing some reply. Is there some quoting tag? |
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| SlavekB | I`m not sure if '|' or '>' => you can use preview to check :) |
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| _Chris_ | Is there any way to get some list for the tags? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
In German I fixed something really annoying too. In the unlock dialog,
if caps lock is on, there is some warning displayed in red. In German
this warnung was three times longer then in English. So if you wrote and
switched between caps lock and not, the unlock dialog expanded two
times in the width and back while typing. Now is shorted that one, like
it is handled in the English translation. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| pitriss | hey MicheleC, thank you for that yakuake fix :) it works like charm:) |
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| MicheleC | glad you have upgraded, one more tester for R14.1.0-dev :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, hello MicheleC. Nice to see you here. :-) |
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| MicheleC | Hi _Chris_ |
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| MicheleC | @_Chris_: tdebase#41 merged |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: Wonderful! Thank you very much. |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| _Chris_ | I will do the translation for German than today, if weblate holds the new entries. |
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| MicheleC | btw, thanks for that info about dockapps ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: By the way. Until now, I had no problem with weblate anymore. No ghost-points or anything related. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
by random I was some very active windowmaker users back then. They can
be very usefull. I like the idea of some repo, but in practive, every
distro is holding some in their repos. So.. |
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| _Chris_ | But you are right, that there has to be some information about what it is. No one can know that without background knowledge. |
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| MicheleC | exactly :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But.. I just discovered this way, I can run them in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: Is that a right sentences? |
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| _Chris_ | "Enables the display of a progress bar in the label of windows show are progress indicators." |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
today is the day when templates are updated and translations are merged
into a stable branch. So today later, new tips will appear on the
Weblate :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Wonderful. Yes, you said sunday is one of that days, I know. |
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| MicheleC | @_Chris_, not fully... what exactly do you want to say? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: I don't want to say something. It is some faulty original string, it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | It is in: tdebase/kasbarextension. |
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| _Chris_ | I just had the intention that is a big.. faulty. |
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| MicheleC | let me see |
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| MicheleC | Wow, I didn't even know about the KAS bar application :-$ |
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| MicheleC | I think that comment can be "Enables the display of a progress bar in the label of windows" |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: That came to my mind too. I just wanted to write you about that. |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| _Chris_ | And I translated it this way for German, by the way. |
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| MicheleC | _Chris_, I will leave it to you to create a PR to fix the original string in the code |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I will do that later or tomorrow. :-) |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
tdebase/kcmcrypto -> "OpenSSL" -> "OpenSSL". Red, without any
reason. It has other places (konqueror) too, but it is the same for
them. So this bug is still there. But please don't do another rebuild.
Otherwise I lost my already done work. Just you know. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_:
I assume that merging your new pull-requests I will leave to the
beginning of the week, because today I wouldn't have enough power to
make the corresponding adjustments in the translations to avoid tagging
as fuzzy :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: No stress. All good. I know then. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do you have some specific script there for doing that by the way? |
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| SlavekB | No, it is a combination of "sed" and handwork for such updates in translations. |
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| SlavekB | ...that's why, today I don't want to do it :) |
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| SlavekB | Merging translations from master branch to stable is automated by script. |
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| _Chris_ | Would
be handy I could do that myself, so you can focus on more important
things. We will see. I am a bit sad about all the old translations which
got fuzzy around 2010 or so, when the branding was replaced with some
script. Today it's not possible to know which one are just marked fuzzy
besaue some branding change and which were really faulty. I have seen
that in German. Every original string which got replaced KDE was marked
as |
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| _Chris_ | fuzzy
it seems. Someone fixed the translation entries for that string back
then too, but.. The translation still was fuzzy until I fixed that all.
Will be likely for other languages. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way. You said the ktips will arrive today in weblate. Until now, I don't found something. |
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| _Chris_ | *because |
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| SlavekB | During
the last edits, I removed a fuzzy tag for a many of translations
because it seemed just a consequence of KDE <=> TDE change. |
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| _Chris_ | A, wonderfull SlavekB.Yes, exactly what I meant. But back in 2010, someone had do that too. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I'm going to run updates later in the evening - I just leave time to finish today's translations :) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
good to know. Just wasn't sure if they will come today. I just finished
merging the changes I made to the original strings of the about dialog
in German now. And removed the fuzzy again too. |
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| _Chris_ | So
for branding things, the way have to be: Replace KDE in original string
-> Replace KDE in translations -> Remove/prevent fuzzy mark. |
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| _Chris_ | That way the result should be perfect, still preserving the translation with TDE in it. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I got what is one problem. Maybe you can deactivate that in the weblate
settings. Weblate claims that some entry is doubled is some bad thing.
Normaly that is, but it TDE it is a bit different. I am sure that check
can be disabled. |
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| _Chris_ | It just is unhappy about entries like: "Redmond, Plastik, Keramik" and so on, because they are doubled. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I am actually fixing the old URL and about dialog of Amarok. There is
also a build date there. Question is, if that should be preserved in the
about dialog. Other TDE applications don't have that. I would likely
remove it. But I wanted to hear your opinion on that. |
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| SlavekB | The build-date would probably conflict with the reproducible-builds initiative. |
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| _Chris_ | What is that? |
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| SlavekB | https://reproducible-builds.org/ |
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| _Chris_ | But besides that, for me it is pointless. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
good to know. It will be the same for all using the repos anyway. It is
more or less just a good thing for developer or so. I will remove that
too now. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it probably doesn't make sense to leave build-date there. |
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| _Chris_ | Amarok in TDE is no independent application anymore, so that is some reason too. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I just created some branch of kima, to port it to 0.7.4. We talked
about that since a year. The new version will support CPU usage. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But it will take a little bit till it is ready. But it is planed by me. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
While fixing amarok, I came about this: "dcop kded mediamanager
fullList", which is a suggested test of amarok, to check for
mediaplayers. Is that still working today? The message string is also
about HAL and dbus. Should be changed to tdehw or HAL, right? But I am
not sure about this test. |
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| SlavekB | This should work independently of hal and dbus. |
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| SlavekB | Mediamanager should now use tdehw by default. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so the test is right, but the part about any tdehw, hal or/and dbus can be removed? |
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| _Chris_ | The message is about using that test command and checking if dbus and hal is running and supported. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way. I found in the amarok sources some warnings about using CPUs
with HT/dual core. Because that was bad supported by glib back in time,
it seems. Maybe that parts can be removed, because that isn't true
anymore. But I will investigate that more some time. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *glibc |
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| _Chris_ | Message
about the above: "No new media devices were found. If you feel this is
an error, ensure that the DBUS and HAL daemons are runningand KDE was
built with support for them. You can test this by running"dcop kded
mediamanager fullList" in a Konsole window. |
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| SlavekB | I was just looking for a mediamanager message. Yes, maybe the message could change completely. |
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| _Chris_ | "No
new media devices were found. You can test if the device is detected by
your system with: "dcop kded mediamanager fullList"in a Konsole
window." |
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| SlavekB | By the way, when I try "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" in Konsole, I get only: "<TQValueList<TQCString>>". |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly that was why I asked. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But I thought the reason is no device connected. |
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| SlavekB | When I try it in kdcop, I see values inside this list. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: I don't know if this media player support in amarok still works. |
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| _Chris_ | Therefore
I want to extend the build options of amarok some time, so that lastfm,
media players and scripting support can be disabled for compiling. |
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| _Chris_ | This way broken features could be excluded, until they are fixed, or if users don't want this features excluded by intention. |
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| SlavekB | Currently
there is some detection in the automake configuration and probably some
options for automake. However, we need to change it to CMake... |
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| _Chris_ | I
had nearly done this for scripting support by the day, some months ago.
I just missed one place somewhere. But I had no time then and now I
have to begin again. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. But these options are not for media players fully nor for scripting. |
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| _Chris_ | Is changing to cmake something which is learnable in timely manner? |
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| _Chris_ | Or is there some big learning curve? |
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| SlavekB | Definitely it is easier and clearer than automake :) |
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| _Chris_ | I could really good test cmake ports with Gentoo, because the ebuilds mainly use and depend on that. |
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| _Chris_ | I
just have to get some guidance. You can be my mentor. General cmake
things I can learn myself. But from what I read, TDE has special
modules, similar like ebuild functions in Gentoo. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there are a number of macros for TDE that make it easier to use. |
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| _Chris_ | I think, if I get used to that, that would be a great field for me to be usefull. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *useful |
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| SlavekB | Note, in kaffeine - xine_part.cpp is removed information about author and copyright? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, I did notice that and I am re-adding that just now. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Just not added WIP, because Michele was not online anyway. Better had done it. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Should be fine now. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | I
just had the idea to add to every application about dialog some string,
that this is a trinity version of kaffeine and not related to any
upstream kaffeine anymore. But maybe we can talk about that later. Or
just let it this way. |
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| _Chris_ | Just
that no user just searches for kaffeine problems in the web and finds
some forum or so or finds the kaffeine irc, for example and thinks that
is related. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise.. TDE users are not stupid. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise there are people not having used KDE3 back then and just think this way. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way. Just came about some redit thread from end 2018 about TDE.
And by random, I have read about our hated friend again. Seems he want
to remove now the support of X11 in KDE5 completely. This can result in a
new field for TDE, providing a perfectly supported solution for people
sticking with X11. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *reddit |
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| _Chris_ | There
were a lot of people very happy with TDE, but again some FUD was
spread, making this people unsure. Some people seems to really like the
old KDE3 stock sounds, I found out by that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *very much |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: thanks:) hope you will be successfull with porting |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
I had the idea that a wiki page could be created for each application.
Then there might not be a static list of applications on the web, but it
could be automatically displayed on the wiki. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes, I have already got how to do that and what is lacking in the TDE
version. Good thing will be, that you will get it most likely instantly,
because you are now also on R14.1.x. :-) |
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| pitriss | yay, perfect :) |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, I do not know whether the namespaces that I know from Dokuwiki also works on Mediawiki. |
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| pitriss | heh. We have mediawiki in our work in the worst possible config.. its PITA at it fullest streght |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
How you mean static application? And yes, my idea was also about a wiki
page for ever application. So that "for more information see
trinitydesktop.org" could be replaced with pointing to the TDE wiki page
of that application. But.. More consistent way would be to use the
handbook!! |
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| SlavekB | As
a result, in the application information it would be possible to
replace the links to the original pages by linking to the wiki page
for application. |
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| SlavekB | Here is static page with information about applications: |
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| SlavekB | http://www.trinitydesktop.org/applications.php |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
This part about configuring mysql for amarok should be not on some
external website, it should be something in the amarok handbook. At
least it should be added to it too. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Oh, yes, I know what you mean. Good idea. I would really like that.
With a nice picture and what is possible with that application. A little
bit like ubuntuusers wiki, if you know that. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I really often found a name of a TDE application and the first thing I did.. Was to search the web for some screenshot. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
wanted to update kontact and so on, to remove that ultra-long
"enterprise-branch" version string and so on. But takes out: That was
done already, I just not updated my kmail. Good to know. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
I know what you mean. When it would be created as a wiki page, there
could be an screenshot added, it would be possible to add some
tutorials,... |
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| _Chris_ | At least the wiki has it's place for introducing the application, BEFORE installing. Afterwards, there is the handbook. |
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| _Chris_ | But yes. TDE is offering here a lot of potential. |
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| _Chris_ | People has just to use the infrastructure. |
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| pitriss | I think to create namespace "handbooks" is the easiest thing. |
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| pitriss | People will fill it up I guess.. |
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| SlavekB | For some quick hints and tips, the wiki page can be edited faster than the handbook :) |
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| pitriss | I meant just use wiki with sane syntax backend (please not the default mediawiki one) it will be easy..:) |
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| pitriss | and maybe some different default style.. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: From what I know, wiki is already there? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: yes |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: You mean the mediawiki default style should not be used or the one TDE uses at the moment? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
thats my point.. i think it even have nice url rewrite so..
wiki.trinitydesktop.org/handbooks/<appname> coul'd not be hard.. |
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| pitriss | There is need some sane default template/style for this handbook namespace to look more like handbook, less like wiki |
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| pitriss | and maybe some optional wysiwyg editor. |
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| pitriss | I don't need editor if it will understand markdown.. which I think dokuwiki by default can'T |
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| _Chris_ | So
markdown support would be important for you to support, right? Maybe
that is possible in addition? I am not into that wiki things, so I don't
know. |
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| pitriss | Not important but huge improvement:) |
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| _Chris_ | I am sure there are some extensions for that at least.. |
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| pitriss | I can work in limited way with mediawiki.. but for example tables are total mess |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Markdown |
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| pitriss | that syntax is insane, its even better to use plain html |
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| _Chris_ | Seems all extensions for that are orphaned. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/bharley/mw-markdown |
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| _Chris_ | Latest commit some months ago. Okay, seems there are ways(tm). |
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| _Chris_ | "By
default, all of your articles will now be parsed using Markdown instead
of Wiki markup. If you have a wiki with articles already, you will
either need to convert them to Markdown or put the {{WIKI}} tag at the
very beginning of the article to tell this extension not to run." |
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| _Chris_ | That way both solutions could be possible. |
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| _Chris_ | You
can make Markdown parsing optional by setting $wgMarkdownDefaultOn to
false and adding {{MARKDOWN}} at the beginning of any articles you want
Markdown parsing on. |
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| pitriss | No problem.. way to go for me:) |
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| _Chris_ | So, mwsyntax default, adding markdown at the begin and it will parse markdown. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that worked for five years now without any bigger change needed. So there is no danger for the future. |
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| _Chris_ | I
learned to look for the future, what is about web applications
extensions, because I had my experience when maintaining web
applications back then.. |
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| pitriss | yeah..:) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Do you have some vision, if you say wiki articles should look more like a handbook? |
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| _Chris_ | The handbooks are existing inside TDE already. But maybe I know, what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | The first step would be really to just write what some applications does and - important - add some screenshots!! |
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| pitriss | eg for handbook is better to re-style ToC :) |
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| pitriss | there are plenty extensions for "galleries" |
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| _Chris_ | If that is standing for all applications, that would be super, hyper, wonderful. |
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| pitriss | Toc
as its on the wiki is good for wiki.. for handbook could be better that
it would look more like part of the article.. Eg on the top under name
of the app:) |
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| _Chris_ | You
can just embed some pictures inside the article, or is there anything
bad? I don't think maintaining too much extensions is a good thing. |
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| pitriss | Not many.. just 2-4.. |
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| pitriss | Gallery plugin could be good as picture handling on wiki is clumsy, not everyone can work with namespaces etc.. |
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| _Chris_ | I
am now just thinking about what Slavek pointed out. To link all
applications on the main side to some page, with description and one or
some screenshots. That's the starting point. |
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| SlavekB | Note:
Currently, user guides are in the docbook. I had the idea that it would
be better to use Asciidoc. But I don't have enough information to
compare Asciidoc × reStructured text. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Okay, I don't know about that handling. Might be some point. |
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| pitriss | So
it would be good as there can be something like screnshot ticker so you
can roll through thumbnails, when you click on them it will open image
directly by some JS thingy.. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Hm, but that would be not so much important, right? That every
application have some wiki page sounds like a thing to target first. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Some JS thingy.. Bad pitriss. Shame on you. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | JS will get you. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Lol LightBox is acceptable.. |
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| pitriss | its used anywhere, works without JS:) |
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| _Chris_ | I know what you mean. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure if we want to completely replace the user guides with the wiki. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
I think we can talk about that if finding extensions which shows to be
maintained since a few years. Than we can see what is good or not. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: No, please not. That would break KDE tradition. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: i have no problem to run test instance of mediawiki somewhere as a playground |
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| pitriss | but not now.. I'm tired from afternoon shift |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: But having simply some tips and so on in the wiki is wonderful. Some screenshots. |
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| SlavekB | Exactly - I assumed that user guides would continue to be here. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: No, no. Just misunderstanding than. :-) |
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| pitriss | In
this point i completely agree with _Chris_. It could be nice to have
some interactive "documentantion" alongside with standard userguides |
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| pitriss | there could be even way how to export them to markdown and show them as "fixed" documentation |
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| _Chris_ | Also.. Having documentation offline is a wonderful thing. |
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| pitriss | Eg online hadbook kould have 2 tabs. |
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| pitriss | could* |
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| _Chris_ | Keep the working still working, but giving users more options is fine. |
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| _Chris_ | khelpcenter is a nice thing on it's own. KHTML is fine for that too. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I will add the two wiki pages of amarok, I did the commit about, add to the amarok handbook. We will see. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I have some idea. |
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| SlavekB | At
the same time, I find it impractical to maintain these user guides in a
docbook. Therefore, I had the idea that instead of docbook it would be
good to use a different format => either Asciidoc or reStructured
text. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Like weblate is for make it more easy for users to contribute
translations without knowing git, the wiki could be some option for
users to add documentation without knowing git. So if some wiki article
is very good quality and helpful, it could be added to the handbook. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I thought these handbooks in khelpcenter just use html. I never took a lot at it. :-) |
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| SlavekB | In short, that's exactly why the current docbook seems to me to be impractical :) |
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| * _Chris_ still loves the khelpcenter and handbook. |
| _Chris_ | You don't know how many older people which I have bring to TDE loved it very! |
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| SlavekB | Currently, the user guides are in the docbook, from which the html used in the khelpcenter is generated. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, not really old people. But not people around 30. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Ah, I understand. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: why ReST not MD? |
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| SlavekB | If we had the manuals in Asciidoc, then it might be easier to update them and take articles from the wiki. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: So changing the format could make it more easy to add wiki pages to handbooks for khelpcenter, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | I exactly got that. |
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| _Chris_ | But that generating to HTML is done while compiling, SlavekB? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, html are converted at build time. |
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| _Chris_ | Or is there additional CPU cycles for changing the format than? |
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| pitriss | Yeah I also wanted to point out that having both static/user editable could benefit from each other.. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so no bad about that from user perspective. |
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| pitriss | User editable part could help with adding more tips that could be adopted by the static version |
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| SlavekB | There are some needs for user guides: |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Some "mark for include" in the wiki, for someone to look for the
quality for include it in the TDE handbook would be good. |
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| SlavekB | 1. There is a need for tools that allow good conversions between formats. For example, to html, pdf, docbook, etc. |
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| _Chris_ | Just don't any fancy and uneeded optics to the khelpcenter guides. They are exactly fine they are. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, got that. |
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| SlavekB | 2. There is need to have support for translating, preferably using PO files => the best to use format supported by po4a. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: How is it done today? Can I translate handbooks with weblate at the moment? |
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| SlavekB | Currently, user guides are not on the Weblate. This is planned as step 3 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that sounds wonderful. :-) |
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| SlavekB | If you are wondering, step 2 is to include translations for ".desktop" files :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
When I searched for informations about arts.. I searched all the web.
But the best source of good quality informations was the TDE handbook! |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, I thought that a little bit. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: By the way. Something I came about. |
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| _Chris_ | If you open konqueror, there is settings, right? The start page. |
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| SlavekB | yes |
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| _Chris_ | And description is: "Set up your desktop". |
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| _Chris_ | Desktop
is the desktop (icons). But the link goes to the full settings of whole
TDE, not just desktop settings. I think changing that to "Desktop
environment" or "TDE", would be better. |
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| SlavekB | In czech there is more general "Nastavení prostředí" => like "Setting environment" in English. |
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| _Chris_ | I
did translate it in German now to "Set up your desktop environment",
just in German. Because before, it was just saying to set up your
desktop (where the icons are). |
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| _Chris_ | Either link that link to settings -> desktop. Or it should be renamed to be more precise. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, current czech translation can is like "Set up your environment." |
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| _Chris_ | Right. So I can prepare a change for the original string then? |
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| SlavekB | simply in Czech there is no "desktop" :) |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | In
Czech it can stay that way then. In German (how it is now) too. But in
English it is misleading, if you are strict. I just came to that because
of the translation. |
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| SlavekB | Here
it will be a question of whether we will make a change also in existing
translations so that they will be preserved or whether we will make
them tagged as fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: That is the reason I am not quite happy when fixing original strings. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: We really need at least one person for the most spoken languages. |
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| SlavekB | Incidentally, in Amarok and Kaffeine it seems no problem to merge your pull-requests and not to deal with existing translations. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Right, because the translation strings simply will be removed, right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes. If I looked correctly, the only string change is related to threads - HT. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I just thought about changing this "kcmxxx" strings to consts. Because
they are not translated anyway. What do you think about that? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Hm? Why that? I did not change anything about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that is because of some translation. |
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| SlavekB | In this string you made a change => the relevant translations will be marked as fuzzy. |
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| SlavekB | However, most of them are already fuzzy. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, I think there is no problem that even the remaining few will also be tagged fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I know now. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | showHyperThreadingWarning() |
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| _Chris_ | That
parts I want to review anyway. I did that some time ago, but don't know
what my findings were back then. I mean it is not needed anymore today. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I also think that there are no problems with threads at this time. |
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| _Chris_ | Good. I will prepare something to review and maybe delete that parts and do some pull-request in next time then. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way. Today there is mruby. You can read about it. Using that by
amarok would be very nice. It would be some very light ruby, embeded
into amarok at linking time. |
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| _Chris_ | Just some idea. Some games are using it this way. |
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| _Chris_ | At
Gentoo I had to install nearly 30 packages for ruby, just to use
amarok. Funny part is. Amarok just starts without it. But also when all
scripts are deactivated, amarok will print some warning at start. But
afterwards it just works perfectly. Therefore, making scripting support
optional don't look too complicated. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh, you already translated the new ktips. Wonderful. Faster than me. :-) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I just failed to build with my latest commit to it. But it's failure output was in no way related to that. |
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| _Chris_ | And now I looked for latest commits, because I had some idea. |
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| SlavekB | koffice? |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that commit is related to that build failure. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/koffice/commit/ecc094c82a435e3b99fbaeeae9272673bf1d07e4 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. I did some pull-request. |
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| _Chris_ | "cursoredit.h:46:10: Fehler: »TQStringVariantMap« bezeichnet keinen Typ; meinten Sie »TQStringData«?" |
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| _Chris_ | At least it is unrelated to my commit. I just was wondering. |
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| _Chris_ | I build with "--enable-final", by the way. |
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| _Chris_ | I can test, if that is related. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, Is see my first message is vanished. Interesting. I don't know what happened. Now I know why you asked. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Hm, you can stop to look for it. It's possible it is because my tqt is
not up to the latest commits. Can that be related? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you need TQt at least https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/commit/fd634b0c14 |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I had my reasons not to update that on this machine. I will do that tomorrow. All good than. False alarm. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
can't check that koffice commit now, but I watched two times over it,
because I searched for some problem. I think it should be okay. Michele
can also look over it, so I will remove that WIP, is that okay? |
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| pitriss | I
wish there would be some alternative rendering backeds for konqueror..
This would mean that I can stop switching browsers just for this and
just for that..:) And to have browser that doesn't throw away alsa
output just because they don't want to mainain it:) |
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| _Chris_ | Did SM that too? |
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| pitriss | yes.. so I'm keeping outdated version:) |
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| _Chris_ | Sorry, but that would be some reason to change my browser. You know what was the reason I leaved FF? |
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| pitriss | yes but there is no alternative..:) |
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| pitriss | Chromium is far from perfect, it can eat 3GB of RAM in half hour :D |
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| _Chris_ | You
will laugh, but.. Back than, they changed that handy addons window.
That little thing, you know? To some ugly and laggy html page or
something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | And that showed me.. In less or more time, that route will lead in something really bad. |
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| _Chris_ | And I was right. I have some good idea about something like that. |
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| pitriss | yeah I know.. |
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| _Chris_ | Earlier behavior predicts future behavior. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And with Android it was material design. After that, things went really bad. :-( |
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| pitriss | yeah for sure |
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| _Chris_ | From what I have read, KDE5 includes now three engines. KHTML, Webkit and some chrome engine. |
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| _Chris_ | Or better said, it is all included within Qt5 or so. At least I have read that. Why not. |
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| _Chris_ | How comes SM people just excluded alsa? Aren't they about preserve the working, like TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | Or was that because upstream (FF) did that and they don't wanted to pull it in again? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, nice. The new MySQL and PostgreSQL links in amarok were already translated into spanish, I just have seen. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/amarok/commit/?id=52047f0a |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, you add (c) 1998-2006, Kalle Dalheimer and Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB to karbon? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: its because its out of main FF |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Let me check that. There was one copyright, I edited out too much and re-added it. |
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| SlavekB | Michele also pointed to it :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: You are right. That was normaly for -> kchart/kchart_aboutdata.h. |
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| SlavekB | BTW: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kaffeine/pulls/2#issuecomment-3365 |
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| _Chris_ | I edited out the copyright and re-added it afterwards. I will fix that and what Michele pointed out. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Do you know why Michele suggested to leave the author for kexi? The
link, which is removed is related to above line. After removing that,
the copyrights for openoffice polska, as well the kexi team is still
preserved. I don't know. Because it's saying: "This software is
developed by..". what is not true anymore. It *was*, therefore the
copyright above. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I wanted to see what is about the kaffeine part, but you merged it now? What was the problem? |
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| _Chris_ | I fixed that. See new PR. I will go to sleep now. Have a good night all. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is there anything what was changed to tqt in the last months, which
could lead to the problem that no tde package is finding my tqt install
anymore while configure? |
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| _Chris_ | I rebuild the latest tqt and afterwards the tde packages, like tdelibs can't test for tqt anymore. :-( |
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| SlavekB | Can't find or fail test - such as gcc visibility test? |
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| _Chris_ | -- Performing Test HAVE_USABLE_TQT - Failed |
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| SlavekB | Did you rebuild TQt3 and also tqtinterface? |
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| SlavekB | ...or this failed in tqtinterface? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Oh.. Good point! |
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| _Chris_ | Very good point.. |
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| _Chris_ | No, I completely forgot about tqtinterface. |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely that will fix the problem. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: That worked. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, Michele seems to have fixed that cd icons in K3b. And most likely anywhere else too. Wonderful. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, recently there have been many changes to the icon names for the media. |
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| _Chris_ | That's wonderful. I couldn't stand the missing icons. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Again -> kcmperformance -> "Konqueror". Red, because entry is in a different place also used. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Has you changed something? Now they are all green. |
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| SlavekB | No, nothing changed. |
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| _Chris_ | Now all this entries which were doubled and red are green. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, a few suggestiongs are waiting to you :) |
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| _Chris_ | And now I re-did one entry and it is red again. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, thank you. I will look for that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Done. I could take them as they were. Good work. :-) |
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| pitriss | I
just got report that ICQ changed its protocol (sigh again) so it
apparently don't work in kopete anymore.. Its really questionable if its
worth to support that proprietal thing that apparently don't want to
allow 3rd party clients |
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| pitriss | and yes there was debate about this but.. uhm. It is dead and they constantly generate incompatible changes.. |
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| _Chris_ | If it is possible, why not? But otherwise, it will be broken until someone fixes it. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Let's see when someone will report it in bugzilla or so. We can't
delete all from kopete. It is so sad. You are right about the rest, but
MSN closed too. AIM too. |
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| _Chris_ | I
really want to add telegram support into Kopete. And for jabber it is
still good. But, since some months - After some recompile - It just
crashes while logging in. |
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| pitriss | Yeah IMO its wasting of time for developing patches for ICQ |
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| pitriss | other networks, why not.. I would love to see viber client for linux which doesn't exist anymore |
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| _Chris_ | I
never used it. Maybe someone will pick it up and maintain it. We can
still dream about that. But removing it completely - That would be too
hard. People are less motivated to start working on what is excluded,
than it is included and broken. But building the packages without ICQ
support, if it don't work anyway would be a good thing. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you said they changed to some webclient? |
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| pitriss | Nope.. they just stopped to provide linux client.. :) No web interface too :D |
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| pitriss | Whatsapp have its electron based thingy |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, dropping Linux completely is a very bad idea. |
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| _Chris_ | And IRC will run ever, because there are no changes. Just wonderful. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I just noticed that the unlock dialog lacks some icon for the unlock button. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
yeah but keeping there not working piece is not optimal too. Something
like notice somewhere that ICQ needs fix and maintainer could be better |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: That seems to be a good idea. Maybe that could be added somewhere within the dialog box. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you still run your XMPP server, pitriss? |
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| pitriss | Yes
still.. that public one is running somehow as I really don't have time
for that and on the other hand, there is only few users.. |
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| _Chris_ | It is so sad, that XMPP not got more attention. |
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| pitriss | 8 people online at the moment.. |
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| pitriss | FB killed all of these |
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| pitriss | I mean fb with all sub services like WhatsApp etc |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: Main thing that hurt XMPP most was lack of really rock solid clients |
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| pitriss | Eg MUC are good.. concept is good.. but there is no client yet that would beat konversation for that.. |
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| pitriss | Pity.. After so many years.. I still need bitlbee and IRC client to have user friendly interface to chat in conference rooms |
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| pitriss | Everyone
tried webkit windows with fancy css styles for that but why the heck?
Its about text conversation.. its about letters so why waste space for
avatars to every message and to have bubbles around every message.. |
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| pitriss | Devs completelly missed point of MUC |
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| pitriss | Psi and their rooms.. not a webkit, but you can't configure colors. |
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| pitriss | I can't set sane timestamps.. why? |
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| pitriss | I developed format for such messaging type over years so it was so hard to look at these creepy setups.. My eyes were bleeding.. |
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| pitriss | Thus i decided for bitlbee and konversation. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, we talked already about bitlbee. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Never used MUC really. |
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| pitriss | its just idea of IRC used in XMPP reality.. so better ACLs, no need for bots to keep room persistent. Server side logging etc |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. And I liked that idea too. But I never got accepted. |
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| pitriss | Me and m irda (space intended to not hilight im for no reason) have own secret MUC.. |
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| pitriss | Just to spam anything there and read reaction when we have time mostky |
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| pitriss | Its
good that it is persistent without a need for bot.. Rest is just the
same as IRC.. If i wouldn't had running prosody on my bananapi with cert
and everything i would have ircd there |
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| * _Chris_ likes secrets. |
| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And
I tried to run prosody some years ago, for doing some MUC for some
project. But it never worked. I used some web client for it. Candy? Or
something like that. |
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| pitriss | Candy is working good for me :D |
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| pitriss | But best is my setup with bitlbee:D |
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| _Chris_ | Candy,
yes, that was the right name. Back then I had problems to run it with
some local prosody server. I don't know anymore. But I had to integrate
it within some other system. |
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| pitriss | it works you just need BOHS allowed or hows that thing is called |
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| pitriss | worst on prosody is stupidity and narrowmindness of their devs |
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| pitriss | I was trying to explain a bug.. they told me that it is intended and would be _NEVER_ changed as it is logical as it is |
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| pitriss | eg when you have private room, you can't have logging |
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| pitriss | which is silly and it was question of one line fix in 2 lua files.. |
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| pitriss | as there is possibility to allow to read that log only by room members.. |
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| pitriss | But "its logical that private rooms can't be logged" |
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| pitriss | Not logical at all in my world. |
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| _Chris_ | Not private for people beeing part of that room. Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | Bug
beeing ignorant is often in projects. You see that in KDE too. Often
projects lose the contact to their users. That is sad. And yes, BOHS,
that sounds familar to me. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: By the way. If you find some old "KDE" somewhere, please, let me know. I want to get ride of them in TDE. :-) |
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| CocoAlx | Em... hi? |
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| CocoAlx | I need a specific help with TDE, it's about exit menu translation |
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| CocoAlx | It's any way to translate them? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Since the last update - When the cd icons showed up again - The
Audio-CD icons (for example Kcontrol -> Sound & Multimedia ->
Audio CDs) are missing. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you verify that on your setup? Latest master branch. |
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| _Chris_ | I will investigate that. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Can you verify that, by the way? |
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| SlavekB | I have a stable branch on my machines => there is no renaming of icons. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
understood. Might be just that the menu is not updating to the new
icons and preserving the user menu icons? From what I found, it was
properly updated and the icon is existing too. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdemultimedia/commit/1d9a2240c9b6e5151d4ca4526c827060975c8932 |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, false alarm. My fault. Seems that area was not updated here. |
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| SlavekB | Wow, 80 commits to tde-i18n :) |
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| SlavekB | Of course, most of them German translations (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Next batch will come too! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I want to add additional Game categories to TDE. Nearly over a year
ago, we had that topic. But I don't know it exactly anymore. TDE is
lacking a lot of additional Game categories. I just found: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/applnk
and added such a file for the category "game action", for example. But
it doesn't show up in my menu. I did run "tdebuildsycoca". But nothing.
Is there |
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| _Chris_ | anything I need to do in addition? |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, there are a good hand of action games installed in the menu, with the entry: "GameAction". |
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| _Chris_ | To be more specific: "Categories=Game;ActionGame;" |
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| _Chris_ | So creating a "tde-games-action.directory" file should work. But it doesn't. |
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| _Chris_ | I have some idea of a XML file anywhere, to which I needed to add the category too. But I don't know anymore. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Just had some idea, how we can get back the old translated strings,
which got fuzzy in 2010 around, because there was not the idea about
doing that like now. |
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| _Chris_ | Theoretically,
it should be enough to search for "KDE/TDE" in all language strings and
just take out the fuzzy, if the original strings are all brandet TDE in
near time. Because if you just remove the fuzzy from all translation
strings with TDE/KDE, you can be 99% sure, it just got fuzzy back then
because of the branding change. |
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| _Chris_ | And
it can most likely prove that for German. Because in German there were a
lot of fuzzy strings, holding TDE in, but no showing, because beeing
fuzzy. There was nothing wrong with these translated strings. So that
could be done backwards for other languages too. This way, there would
be no need for the other languages. |
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| _Chris_ | +to be fixed by translators. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, it is a bit "annoying" to translate a string about using Bugzilla when I prefer to see the new bug reports in TGW :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I know, but I wasn't sure about that and because we still have
kbustbuster, which could be working some day. And it might be not a bad
thing to further use bugzilla at least for *simple* bug reports from
users. For two reasons: First reason: Bugzilla looks much more easy to
use for just an user to report some bug. Second reason is: It still
works very well with Konqueror (that browser, which you will use if you
click on the |
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| _Chris_ | bug report link, in the about dialog. But: I can add some additional line later, for TGW! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But for further things in that direction, I will add TGW then. |
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| SlavekB | When we fix kbugbuster, I intended to add more backends - Gitea would logically be one of the desired backends :) |
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| _Chris_ | That
would be more than wonderful! I am very for using native applications. I
though about having some tdeio for GIT, like the tdeio for SVN back
then. |
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| _Chris_ | But
bugzilla still has it's pros in some fields and as long the maintaince
of it doesn't take a lot of energy, I would prefer to preserve it. The
automatic reports for example are still using it. If they still work
anyway.. I don't know. |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure whether automated reports are working. |
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| _Chris_ | And
I had some idea about something like a changelog after TDE upgrades, or
after a new install. Some "Welcome"-window, which all places, links and
so on about TDE. Something like a door for the TDE webservices and so
on. |
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| _Chris_ | Like in Windows 98 - Welcome to windows - Register here and there. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Me neither. :-) |
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| SlavekB | BTW, for the same reason, I tried to build kgit application some time ago, but it was very dysfunctional. |
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| _Chris_ | Pitris
said he did some of thise reports, but I didn't want to say anything if
that is still working. Who knows to which person all this reports go.
Maybe to the old KDE URLs. Maybe all to our friend. Our special friend.
:-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just a joke. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: KGit? That sounds wonderful. Did you upload the sources? |
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| _Chris_ | I love that German people would file bugs about missing or wrong translations, by the way. |
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| _Chris_ | *would |
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| SlavekB | No,
I haven't created a git repository yet and not added it to TDE
applications => as I said, I wasn't able to get the application to
work. |
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| SlavekB | That's why I didn't want to waste time with that :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I see. Had sound like it worked, but just not in the way you wanted. |
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| _Chris_ | If all this Kdevelop working for and with TQt, by the way? |
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| _Chris_ | In that way, that someone could simply start to create some application with all the tools like in KDE3 back then? |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way: I am actually working on tdewebdev (branding) and there is a
lot to do about Qt -> TQt. But not in the original strings. No, they
are fine. Just the translations. I will create some issue in TGW for
that, to keep track of that. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | That
is exactly what I meant. Back in 2010 or so, they changed the original
strings AND also the translations. But, they missed to think about the
fuzzy mark. |
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| _Chris_ | In German 100% of all marked fuzzy strings in tdewebdev were fine. |
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| _Chris_ | Working now further. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
On which URL I can see a list (page) with all my last translations, in
something like a table, which allows me to reset them in a fast way? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/changes/?user=Chris |
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| _Chris_ | And
I just see that kdevelop still has support for creating KDE4 or Qt4
applications. Maybe.. that should be removed? We can't maintaine that
and I don't think that still work, or someone will prefer to use TDE for
working on KDE4. It is replaced by KDE5 now anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, thank you. |
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| _Chris_ | But at least not the Qt2 support. Maybe I need that for OPIE. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I
believe that one problem was that more 'KDE' => 'TDE' changes were
made in the translations than in the source files. And then when the POT
templates were updated, the original strings in the templates were
different from the original strings in the translations => causes
fuzzy tags. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting
point. You might be right. I just discovered something like that too.
More changes to translation as to original strings. Good point. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I can't set it back easy for two reasons. First reason: The old entry
is not in weblate. Second reason: If I click in the page on "Reset", it
just takes you to the entry, with a new page. Doing that for 30 entries
or so is very bad. That could be really better. Or I do it the wrong
way. |
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| SlavekB | You can use the middle button => to open the reset link to the new tab. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, okay. I just though you can "click, click, click". You know? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | So, some coffee and go. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I made two issue reports. My personal opinion is that bugzilla is a lot
more friendly for beginers to report bugs. Maybe we can change that.
But just my first impression. |
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| _Chris_ | But hope I mad you happy anyway. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *made |
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| SlavekB | Bugzilla contains many more items that the user should set. |
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| SlavekB | Bugzilla does not allow any formatting in posts. |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
Selectable. That's the point. And no little form with all kind of
commets to enter. Just my idea: People will don't do that and either
delete all or leave, because "too complicated". I don't know. But it's
another topic. |
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| SlavekB | Bugzilla does not allow the user to correct typos in already entered posts. |
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| _Chris_ | I
know bugzilla and I never missed formating text. But yes, it has it's
pros. That wasn't about talking bad about TGW. Just my first impression. |
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| _Chris_ | *TGW has it's pros. |
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| SlavekB | For example, simple formatting and especially post editing are very well used here: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/10 |
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| _Chris_ | I
just deleted the commets and so on for the issues I reported now. I
hope that was correct. Michele can re-adjust it the right way. I just
wanted to track it anywhere, that this not get's lost. |
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| SlavekB | At the same time, the report may well show you the status of the issues: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
wonderful, SlavekB. I get what you mean. But that is more handy for you
as developer maybe, not for someone wanting to report one or two bugs
because his beloved amarok just crashed. |
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| _Chris_ | That status showing is nice. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I
understand. But when the user reports it to TGW, it is easier for
programmers to work with it and the user sees the feedback better. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, therefore I add TGW now everywhere. Did this already in tdevelop. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | And
if kbugbuster will natively support TGW anyway, that will be a
completely different topic anyway. Because everyone can report bugs
then, also without a browser which supports gitea. :-) |
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| SlavekB | By the way, a small comparison: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/42 |
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| SlavekB | https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3025 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 3025: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , sigset_t used without initialization in kdesktop_lock |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, I see what you mean. True point. I think we can be flexible here.
Supporting both, until TGW is fully working without any additional
browser in TDE. But this kind of discussions are better for TGW.
Absolutely. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe there are some additions for TGW for selecting labels or something like that in issue reporting? |
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| _Chris_ | By the way. That kdesktop_lock bug seems to be a complicated thing, from what I have read. |
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| SlavekB | In TGW, we have created some labels that can be used, for example, to indicate status. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I mean for hardware, OS and so on. So that comments are not needed anymore. Or some label "specific". |
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| SlavekB | You can see labels like SL/major, SL/wishlist,... and also ST/invalid, ST/rejected. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that ones I know already. I really like "WIP:" for example. :-) |
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| SlavekB | As you could see when entering an issue, we created a simple template there where the user can fill in the information himself. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have seen that. I removed that for my reports for logical reasons. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | At bugzilla we are constantly solving that these additional items are eternally out of date... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have noticed that already.. |
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| SlavekB | ...and no one, except Tim, is able to update them. |
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| _Chris_ | :-( |
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| SlavekB | In TGW, this is a simple template that doesn't need an update :) |
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| _Chris_ | But it doesn't allow you to filter these things, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise.. Why filtering? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the disadvantage is that it can't be used as a search tags. |
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| _Chris_ | Is there no "tags" plugin for TGW? Something like labels, bug just specific? |
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| _Chris_ | So a new user creating some report can click "add label" for hardware, or OS? |
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| _Chris_ | Like the template, but machine trackable. |
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| SlavekB | No, I don't know about any such plugin. |
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| _Chris_ | In phpBB2 I would simply add some speicific label for the profil. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, maybe there will be some options later. |
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| _Chris_ | At least TGW is not clumsy in the browser. Not lagging because of the design. |
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| SlavekB | Exactly - when I sometimes look at Gnome Gitlab, for example, that's terrible. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. That was my fear with gitea as I saw the announcement, to be honest. |
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| _Chris_ | I really don't like that interface of gitlab. Awful. |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I also did not initially have confidence in interfaces like Github. |
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| SlavekB | At the same time, when I saw huge demands on the resources and performance that Gitlab has... |
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| _Chris_ | I
didn't liked the idea to maintain git things on web interfaces anyway.
But if it adds productivity.. And there is chance to add native bridges,
like kbugbuster support, or some command line viewer, or something like
that. |
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| SlavekB | However, when I tried Gitea, I was satisfied with both speed and low demands. |
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| _Chris_ | I like TGW. It's fine for beeing such a github clone. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But please preserve cgit. I really like it when browsing the code. It's still much faster than gitea for that. |
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| _Chris_ | But, we can just hope that gitea people don't want to be "cool" and "modern" in next years and make gitea to some gitlab clone.. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems weblate did this with design already. I liked the old one better, from screenshots. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, certainly, cgit is an excellent interface for fast code and log viewing. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | The only thing I miss in cgit -> picture viewing. |
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| _Chris_ | When searching for fitting icons for sleep buttons, for example.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And
it's much better TDE has it's own github than using some third party
service. I really dislike that. Own projects should have own hosted
code. Simply as that. Important for having community. I see much
potential in TGW. We just need people to start with. By the way,
SlavekB.. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you give me rights to create own repos in my private TGW? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I want to upload some things and play with. Like the Gentoo repo or such things. |
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| _Chris_ | Just give me three repos for creating, that would be enough. |
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| SlavekB | I set a limit for you 10 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, very thank you! Did you do that now, or was it? Because some days ago, there was 0. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | I did it right now :) |
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| SlavekB | In any case, for us it was a prerequisite that it must be a service that we will host on our own machine. |
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| _Chris_ | I
also want to try to program some TQt things. Would be good if that
works with TQtdesigner or tdedevelop. This way I maybe can do some
tutorial for first steps, so that beginer have some idea. I not looked
at the existing documentation about that already, but I saw that Michele
pointed to not working examples, sadly. |
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| SlavekB | This concerns both Gitea and Weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that was a wonderful thing, to host it own. Also if that costs money. |
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| SlavekB | Well, it's time to move to the home machine :) |
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| _Chris_ | See you later. :-) |
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| SlavekB | See you. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: can't confirm |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Thank you. I found out it was my fault. :-) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: np..:) |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: do you experience issues with need of reloading khotkeys? |
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| pitriss | Eg I log in into TDE and sometimes i need to force reload it to be able to use them.. |
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| _Chris_ | No, here all is fine. :-/ |
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| pitriss | I would love some option where I can specify xmodmap file that will be applied before starting khotkeys |
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| pitriss | I suspect xmodmap for this behavior.. eg khotkeys could start slightly before xmodmap is done |
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| pitriss | xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc; dcop khotkeys khotkeys reread_configuration //this helps most of the time |
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| pitriss | so
I bet when khotkeys would automagically appy this xmodmap file and then
started with assigning of key bindings.. it would be fine |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried it without xmodmap? But that problem you have just since using R14.1? |
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| pitriss | No its long term |
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| pitriss | without xmodmap its useless for me.. As I have volume control on remapped keys |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, okay. No, I never had problems with them here. |
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| pitriss | (as there is no damn way I know about how to disable that ugly graphics while changing volume by standard xfree extended keys |
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| pitriss | I'm
using volnoti for such graphics feedback at the moment.. But I can live
without it at all.. Just that default one drives me crazy |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
because most of the new pull-requests require a translation update at
the same time, I'll keep the merge to later because otherwise I wouldn't
be able to do today's update of templates and merge translations into a
stable branch. |
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| pitriss | Anyway, that volume change graphics should be customizable/possible to turn off completely.. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, that's no problem. No hurry. :-) |
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| pitriss | But that don't save me from using xmodmap as xfree extension keys ignores modifiers |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: But that will end. In some time, we will be got ride of all the annoying "KDE". At least the viewable. :-) |
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| pitriss | so I still need to have them remapped as F13-Fxy |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: The volume graphics come from kmilo, if I am not wrong. |
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| SlavekB | pitriss,
I was considering it would be good to add to kmix option to allow the
graphical notification for change the volume using the keys. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: ty i'll try to uninstall that package |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: would be nice.. or maybe looking at volnoti and allow their theming could be nice:) |
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| pitriss | https://github.com/davidbrazdil/volnoti/ I mean this thingy |
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| SlavekB | ach, ach: "It is based on GTK+ and D-Bus" :( |
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| pitriss | Quite nice:) |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| pitriss | I don't like it:) |
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| pitriss | But It looks good and I can change it when I stop liking it:D |
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| pitriss | I thought about only lending theme system from them |
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| pitriss | But I think TDE have all other things needed.. |
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| pitriss | fake/real transparency, it knows how to do nice OSD (see konversation) |
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| pitriss | I am OK with any situation that allow me to make it fit to my settings.. |
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| pitriss | I think I can do it even as bash with that set of tde widgets (forgot how its called) |
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| pitriss | But why when I can use volnoti and it works, I still need to have that damn dbus and GTK libs loaded |
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| pitriss | On other hand.. I would LOVE to have it as native TDE app |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that could be ported. But having notifications or not from kmix, sounds like a good idea, SlavekB. |
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| pitriss | I totally agree |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the overlay messages, these OSD. Come from kmilo, from what I know. |
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| pitriss | BTW even having that OSD system as standalone would be cool to have it called from scripts:P |
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| pitriss | *konversation OSD |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, doesn't that work already? |
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| _Chris_ | I mean there is some option for knotify or kmessage or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | If not, kmessage should be extended to also use OSD as option. :-) |
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| pitriss | knotify does these things above systray I wish debug messages from :D |
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| pitriss | as these icons still are not working :D |
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| pitriss | And my OCD is slowly killing me :D |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
maybe you can try to take look into knotify if it would be possible to
drop log messages anywhere when it fails to display some icon? |
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| pitriss | .xsession-errors looks as nice place :D |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Something for my todo list. :-) |
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| pitriss | wow nice.. |
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| pitriss | Unfortunatelly I'm too stupid for these lowlevel languages like C/C++ |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is this overblend effect, which you see if you hover the icons in the
control panel also possible to blend in whole windows? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Updating the translation templates, to prevent the get fuzzy, is
something I can do next time myself too. So you and Michele have more
energy for other things. After that, the strings from the translations
have to be changed too, is that right? So original string -> template
string (so they don't get fuzzy) -> translated strings in every
translation file. Is that the correct way? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, all three things need to be changed: |
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| SlavekB | 1. original string in POT template |
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| SlavekB | 2. original string in PO files |
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| SlavekB | 3. translation in PO files |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I see. I try that for the next ones than to do myself. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Just by random, I came about something. |
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| _Chris_ | I
changed out the MySQL and PostgreSQL link in Amarok and you updated it
in the translations. There seems to be a very smal typo. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/amarok/commit/6c832e594f06f1ce395c1b5c2a12c50b62ff8e39 |
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| _Chris_ | I changed out the link to https. And the right URL doesn't have a "s" in. So http://community.kde.org/Amarok/Archives/Amarok_1.4/User_Guides/MySQL_HowTo doesn't work, but http://community.kde.org/Amarok/Archives/Amarok_1.4/User_Guide/MySQL_HowTo
does work. That was no typo by me. I though I made a typo, when I read
that, but after testing I found out, it has to be "guide", not "guides". |
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| SlavekB | Oh,
that's probably my fault. I made a replacement only from
amarok.kde.org/wiki to community.kde.org/Amarok/Archives but overlooked
that here is change User_Guides => User_Guide :( |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I firstly thought that was my fault as I saw that. Therefore I tested
and comes out, it went from guides, to guide. But I looked at the wiki
pages about amarok and had some idea to import some pages and link
"amarok" in the trinitydesktop application page to that wiki page. |
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| SlavekB | You can use it as an exercise example to create a translation update :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: That was my idea, just some minutes ago. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way. I did a lot of KDE to TDE changes in German in the
applications component. There is not a lot to do there for "KDE to TDE"
in original strings. After that, whole TDE should be branded to "TDE"
only. At least in theory. Source code internals are a different thing,
but for the users, it should be 100% consistent after that. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | After
that, I will do some filtering for all URLs, or browser names, or
"OpenOffice.org", to do that up to date. So there are no orphaned links
anymore in the translations. Just did a short check. It's not so much. |
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| _Chris_ | The
TDE source code is like exploring some big town. After a while you know
the most famous places and get used to the bad sectors and so on. :-) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way. Under 64 Bit, the rendering of the desktop/desktop icons is
much faster and cleaner, if you move some window over the icons. |
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| _Chris_ | And I have some idea, that the reason is, that in 32 Bit the memory manager of TDE is used, instead of the glibc ones in 64 Bit. |
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| _Chris_ | Aka fast malloc. |
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| _Chris_ | But I will test that maybe. |
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| _Chris_ | I
just did create a new kicker icon, so we get rid of that old artworked
"T" icon. Maybe you will like it. With no graphics talent, out of an
idea. I will create some PR for that later. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Seems the server has problems again. |
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| SlavekB | Primary? |
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| _Chris_ | Mirror. |
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| _Chris_ | I can't enter TGW. |
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| SlavekB | I see a normal response from VPS. |
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| SlavekB | TGW refreshed immediatelly. |
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| SlavekB | TWTW also without problem |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. It times out for me. Maybe DNS problem. |
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| _Chris_ | I will wait a bit and test later. |
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| _Chris_ | Still timing out. Primary works good for me. |
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| _Chris_ | I had the same last night. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. Now it works! |
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| SlavekB | I can confirm that today in the early morning there was a problem and the host of our vps had to be restarted. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, most likely that was to that time. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
You helped me some time ago about some file which I don't found for
creating categories in the kicker menu. I don't found it in the log. Can
you point me to that file again? |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: what about usink kmenuedit ? |
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| pitriss | using* |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Yes. But I am about to do something different. I have on one of my
machines a lot of games and I noticed, that they are all in the Game
menu. There are some submenus, like arcade. But some (like action) are
not displayed. I looked for the reason and found out, that TDE lack some
files for defining submenus. You see them here: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/applnk - But after adding |
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| _Chris_ | such
a file, the submenu will not displayed either. I had the same problem a
year ago and found a fix for doing that for the user only. But this
time I wanted to fix that problem for TDE and adding the specific files,
so that all TDE users get showed that menus. That is my reason behind
that question. |
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| _Chris_ | It
seems only submenus are showed, which has a file in the linked place.
The category in the *.desktop files of the applications are just ignored
otherwise. I did rebuild the cache of the menu already, but that hasn't
made any difference. |
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| pitriss | aha |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. But thank you anyway. I will look tomorrow what could be the problem. :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, for summary tasks related to more git modules, you could create an issues on TDE/tde as such. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Shame on me! |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you for the hint. |
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| _Chris_ | I
just thought it would be good to summarize that anywhere, because at
the moment I just have some quick overview. And also that might be good
to show for others, pinning it to the milestone thing, what was done to
clean up TDE a bit for next release. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Can you move my two issues? Newer I will create there. |
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| SlavekB | I probably would have to do interventions directly in the database... |
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| * _Chris_ lifts his eyebrowns. |
| _Chris_ | Isn't it possible to move tasks? |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, there is no user option to move the issues between git repositories. |
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| _Chris_ | :-( |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, shame on me. Wasn't knowing about that. I thought if that is wrong, someone will move it simply. |
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| _Chris_ | You
will most likely have more of this, if TGW will be primary bug
reporting place for users doesn't know to which component of TDE some
application belongs.. |
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| _Chris_ | What kind of DB you use for gitea? MariaDB? |
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| SlavekB | Although
those records are all in one database table, for each git repository,
the numbering of issues / pull-requests within a particular git
repository is independent. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, MariaDB. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. |
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| _Chris_ | Just updated my phpbb2 branch for working with the latest version of it. |
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| SlavekB | Gitea supports different types of databases, but maintanance of MariaDB is better for me than for example PostgreSQL :) |
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| SlavekB | Likewise, Weblate is also configured to use MariaDB. |
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| _Chris_ | I
wanted to ask you if it is possible to give me rights to edit the
applications page on the trinitydesktop.org site. I don't know if that
is possible over wiki, or it is static. Or if it is under control of Tim
and therefore not simply to change. I want to add some page for every
application more and more, like as we talked about that. Just link it
then to the wiki. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, it is often the case with db systems, that MySQL/MariaDB is
maintained better. Get's more love. Therefore I was interested. |
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| _Chris_ | Or you can link the applications yourself, if I ping you with some page added. |
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| SlavekB | The applications page on web site is static and so far none other than Tim can change it :( |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: Do like my new kicker icon? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, no problem. If I add pages, I would like to see them linked them. Therefore I asked. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
find it is just like the old one, just in consistent and modern. And
there is no alternative at the moment, than keeping the oudated icon,
which clearly not fits into the existing artwork. |
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| _Chris_ | I am using it here already and it feels great so far. |
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| SlavekB | Ehm, i am using icon set TDE-classic... crystal theme is too modern for me :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, all about choice. I just mean for the default icon set. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | For
the classic, it was fitting anyway. But this is for crystal theme.
Before there was the classic theme icon used in the crystal theme, you
know? |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: I find old icons were made with more love, if you speak on the classic theme. I like the details. |
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| _Chris_ | I
had made nearly some KDE to TDE change for the classic theme
description -> "TDE classic theme", but wasn't sure if that is
wanted. So I leaved it. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know how to make a listing. I am sure Michele will edit anway. :-) |
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| SlavekB | List with check boxes? |
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| SlavekB | - [ ] label1 |
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| SlavekB | - [ ] label2 |
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| SlavekB | - [x] label3 |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, that would be good then too. I thought to add some list like: Check done for: "* tdebase, *tdegraphics"...". |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/19 |
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| _Chris_ | Is it good this way? |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Just edited the typo. |
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| SlavekB | The same way used in other issues :) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/12 |
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| _Chris_ | Jus started to think today, we have all this possibilities in TGW, why not use them? |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Another example :) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/9 |
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| _Chris_ | I
just hope the German translation will be very polished and all that
past things (qt -> tqt, kde -> tde, old URL -> new URL, remove
old upstream URL, etc.) will be done before next 14.0.7. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I am right that this fixes will land in 14.0.7 too, or? |
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| _Chris_ | How to make some header? |
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| SlavekB | It use markdown syntax: |
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| SlavekB | # CMake conversion status |
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| _Chris_ | Like in the link you already send. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. |
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| SlavekB | ## Dependencies |
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| SlavekB | Very nice to have such formatting options ... compared to bugzilla :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, true point. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | So there is no magic and gitea is just using plain markdown? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/19 |
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| _Chris_ | This way? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way. I looked for your amarok typo in translations. I doesn't
fixed it, because that triggered msgmerge to mark them fuzzy and so it
did take the right string for the template anyway. So the entries are
now fuzzy, but the right URL was taken. We can let it now this way. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it looks good. You can set as a lower level for chaptes Main and Applications. |
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| MicheleC | @_Chris_: there is now new label PR/update-trans available |
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| _Chris_ | Was sure I have done this already, SlavekB.Done. |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: Wonderful! I just had the idea of that this morning. :-) |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| _Chris_ | (y) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, are you using jabber? |
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| _Chris_ | I had some account, yes. I can create one again for TDE, if you want. |
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| mutantturkey | i found an issue with klipper |
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| SlavekB | mutantturkey, I would like to hear it, but in a little while I will go away and be offline for a few hours... |
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| mutantturkey | it's just a text issue |
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| mutantturkey | http://drop.ceux.org/garbage/2019-07-19-111340_704x445_scrot.png |
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| mutantturkey | the text: Regular Expression see (http://doc.trolltech.com/tqregexp.html) |
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| mutantturkey | well that URL is 1) broken 2) was a mis autotranslate of qt to tqt. regardless it doesn't work |
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| mutantturkey | https://doc.qt.io/archives/3.3/qregexp.html this might be more relevant but i am not sure what all |
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| _Chris_ | Sounds like a job for me. I will look for that later. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, _Chris_, that's what I thought - it's like doing it for you :) |
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| SlavekB | URL can be used: |
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| SlavekB | http://www.trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/qregexp.html |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, will be fixed in next hours and I will add outdated trolltech doku to the open issue about outdated URLs too. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Exactly what was my idea. :-) |
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| SlavekB | It is a pity that we (not yet) do not have the current apidox for TQt3. |
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| mutantturkey | thank you _Chris_ |
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| SlavekB | as I advised, I will now be offline for several hours... |
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| _Chris_ | mutantturkey: You mean that one in the config dialog, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, found it already. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/49 |
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| _Chris_ | I
also did replace the string in the translations, without the "t" in
front, so that get's also properly replaced within the translations. |
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| mutantturkey | yep thanks chris that looks perfect. |
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| _Chris_ | All
are very invited to report such bugs in next time here. Any outdated
URLs or old "KDE" brandings (text form). There was a lot already
replaced in master and R14.1.x branches. That one here was missing in
fact. :-) |
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| mutantturkey | yep np |
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| mutantturkey | i dont use to much from trinity but mostly |
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| mutantturkey | konq, klipper, kmail |
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| mutantturkey | is there a calendar app that trinity has that does caldav? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
good question. I mean there is a tdeioslave for caldav or something
like that. I mean KOrganizer does that. I am not quite sure. |
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| _Chris_ | No,
I have meant something different it seems. TDE has some webdav tdeio.
And KOrganizer supports ICalendar and such, but it seems not CalDAV
itself. |
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| mutantturkey | korganizer maybe |
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| mutantturkey | okay |
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| mutantturkey | ICal yeah well |
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| mutantturkey | i could at least maybe subscribe to my existing calendars but not exit it |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that might be possible than. :-) |
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| mutantturkey | _Chris_: not sure i have met you, anyway thanks for helping out |
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| _Chris_ | No
problem. I am more or less new with doing things for TDE, if you mean
that. Came to that over translating and such and now beeing mentored by
Slavek to help here and there. Hoping to bring TDE abit forward more. |
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| mutantturkey | sometimes i wonder if the cmake decision was wrong, but i was one of the people who pushed for it |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting
topic. I asked that myself too. I am not into CMake, but I want to get
into that. So if you have some experience, I might ask you some time
about different things. |
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| _Chris_ | I have read old logs about that time, I mean, when you was in the IRC. Some years ago. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/pulls/8 |
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| mutantturkey | im around... dont have much time to develop anything besides patch my own software |
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| mutantturkey | but busy these days working. |
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| mutantturkey | _Chris_: one more issue, if maybe you could help |
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| mutantturkey | http://drop.ceux.org/garbage/new.mp4 |
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| _Chris_ | Some video. :-) |
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| mutantturkey | yeah.. it's a screen recording of konqueror |
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| _Chris_ | Nice.
So you lost your assignment for konqueror beeing the default for file
browsing? And in addition, you can't set it as default again? |
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| mutantturkey | yeah. doesn't seem to file associate very well. |
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| mutantturkey | the whole xdg-open system is a mess, not suprised if trinity's isn't much better |
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| _Chris_ | Came that by alone, or has you changed it at some point by your own and wanted to change it back now? |
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| _Chris_ | mutantturkey: Have you tried it to open with that command: "kfmclient openProfile filemanagement"? |
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| mutantturkey | think it's been that way on this box |
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| mutantturkey | Friggin production just stalled because... we hit max_int on a mysql column for a lock table |
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| mutantturkey | LOL |
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| mutantturkey | now it's bigint! |
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| mutantturkey | won't have to deal with it till im dead |
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| mutantturkey | calvin@bison:~$ kfmclient openProfile filemanagement |
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| mutantturkey | kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: Could not find service 'konqueror.desktop'. |
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| mutantturkey | interesant |
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| mutantturkey | god .desktop files are also a pita, again, i am not a big fan of xdg |
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| mutantturkey | /opt/trinity/bin |
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| mutantturkey | is in my path |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, sounds like there is more wrong than simply that. :-( |
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| mutantturkey | .desktop files not in my path maybe |
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| mutantturkey | or my something path |
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| _Chris_ | So it was that way since installing TDE? |
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| mutantturkey | afaik |
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| mutantturkey | i think its because i am not running trinity |
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| mutantturkey | i just use like a few of the progrs |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that might be a reason. |
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| mutantturkey | yeah, but most services seem to start up fine |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but that should work anyway. |
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| mutantturkey | what... is lisa? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
I will try that this night and will report you then, if I get the same
results. And maybe I will file a issue about that, if I get same
results. |
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| _Chris_ | Lisa is.. |
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| _Chris_ | Some service for network sharing, or something like that. Wait. |
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| mutantturkey | ah yeah |
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| mutantturkey | reading the manpage now |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/src/branch/master/lanbrowsing/lisa/README |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, good idea. |
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| mutantturkey | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | I will be AFK now for some time. |
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| mutantturkey | np cya |
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| pitriss | Offtopic but that doesn't make this less scary: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1567114 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 1567114: could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId |
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| _Chris_ | Oh my god. It's begining. |
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| * _Chris_ lifts his eyebrowns. |
| _Chris_ | Thank you for information, pitriss. |
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| pitriss | yw. It is really scary.. |
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| _Chris_ | German wants to forbid Tor too. And using VPNs and such a crap. And logging all your offline post traffic too. |
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| _Chris_ | But okay, that would be too polical now. But it goes into a very bad direction more and more. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems we should start to implement TDEantiPrison or something like that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *prism |
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| _Chris_ | Or better TDEPrismBreak. :-) |
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| pitriss | We can start providing sites on some p2p variant of web :D |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
That might be the next internet they want to destroy. If you look what
person was voted for leading the EU. That person was for some "red
button" on every PC in German and DNS locks for bad sites. We can expect
a lot now to come. A lot of funny things. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *Germany |
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| _Chris_ | I fear TorK is not up to the job at the moment. :-P |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: I'm looking at that knotify code and trying to get that code :D Awww I feel like dinosaur looking into a computer :D |
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| pitriss | but there is some logging support, question is how I can enable it - https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/master/tdecore/knotifyclient.cpp |
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| pitriss | Maybe I got it.. its in kcontrol.. but.. err.. I don't know if it also apply to non-tde apps. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
Sorry, but I have no time at the moment. Just try it, if you found
something. Would be interesting if it works. If so, no one was knowing
about.. |
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| pitriss | No problem.. I am trying to figure it out.. |
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| pitriss | Ok so it is about TDE notifications.. Maybe there could be some settings like "add app" or at least "Non TDE notifications" |
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| breetai | I
want to do a clean tde install of 18.04 I have
tde-14.0.6-ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso but the installer does not
run, even from the command line, april 2019 mailing list shows that
someone else had the same problem but I can't find anything else on it. |
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| breetai | Is there a better .iso out there like maybe of tde-14.0.5-ubuntu-18.04 ? |
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| breetai | Or is there a particular spin of ubuntu 18.04 I should download and then load trinity on top of? |
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| PoempelFox[m] | you
could just do a "server" install of stock Ubuntu (that comes without
any desktop environment) and then install TDE on top of that, that
should be as "clean" as it gets. |
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| PoempelFox[m] | Also,
I see nothing has changed w.r.t. the mirror situation three months late
:( all 'official' mirrors including mine still distribute 14.0.5
instead of 14.0.6. |
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| breetai | PofmpelFox: Any chance I can get a URL to where the 18.04 iso's of 14.0.5 are? https://www.trinitydesktop.org/mirrorstatus.php show NO MIRRORS right now. |
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| breetai | PoempelFox: Any chance I can get a URL to where the 18.04 iso's of 14.0.5 are? https://www.trinitydesktop.org/mirrorstatus.php show NO MIRRORS right now. |
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| PoempelFox[m] | I'm not aware of any, and these never were on the mirror network. |
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| pitriss | PoempelFox[m]: 2 weeks ago was standard repo for debian correct.. Now I can't judge as I switched to 4.1.x |
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| pitriss | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian stretch main |
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| pitriss | deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian stretch main |
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| pitriss | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian stretch main |
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| pitriss | deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian stretch main |
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| pitriss | this was working like charm.. feel free to use this and modify your distro name accordingly... |
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| pitriss | breetai ^ |
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| breetai | pitriss:
Thank you. Those are the repos for adding trintity to an already
running ubuntu system, not for the iso of a complete 14.0.5 on top of
18.0.4. |
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| pitriss | I never used iso to install trinity.. Always base system from netinstall + maual instal of the res I want to have |
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| breetai | pitriss:
it will be fine. I just realized though I don't have the 14.0.5 ISO i
used last time, I can just clone my perfectly working setup on a
different system to the system I want to install on. |
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| breetai | pitriss:
now that I am interested in. if I do a netinstall + add the trinity ppa
and install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity,
is there any other debs I need to install? |
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| breetai | pitriss: like x11 or cups? |
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| pitriss | Depends
what else you chose to install in netinst. But It might be needed to
instal cups I guess.. No big deal for me though as its one line in the
terminal:) |
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| breetai | ]]] |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
There is one translation, which links with a href to "configure kde
shortcuts". I can't test that one. Which command I have to use, to make
that working? I am unsure, if that needs to be "configure tde shortcuts"
today, or it should be preserved that way. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: What country you was? CZ, or some different one? |
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| pitriss | CZ |
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| _Chris_ | Okay.
Looking for people, who could help with some bigger translating project
for TDE, to fix all this KDE -> TDE conversion strings. But then
Slavek already takes care of your language. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Just found out, I can fix other translations too, more or less. Now it
would be interesting to know from some.. statistics, which are the most
used languages in TDE, from user perspective. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
What was the reason of that string doublication in KPGP? By the way.
From what I have seen, there is a third one existing. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po?id=12d68a10#n2206 |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po?id=12d68a10#n3050 |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po?id=12d68a10#n2833 |
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| SlavekB | The
thing is that in kgpg it was previously "Start KGpg automatically at
KDE startup." but also "Start KGpg automatically at TDE startup." |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, it was related to my renaming commit so. |
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| SlavekB | When
you fixed the occurrence with KDE and renamed it in POT / PO files,
then there was the same string "Start KGpg automatically at TDE
startup." in two places. |
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| _Chris_ | I see. What is with the third one? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, one is only for login, other two were for for starting TDE/KDE (TDM then?). |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, after correcting KDE => TDE, there was an identical string
on two places, which causes both gettext tools to fail (msgmerge,
msgfmt, msgcat,...). |
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| _Chris_ | Was KGPG there a special one, or is that always the case, so that I have to check that better every time? |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, it can happen anywhere. |
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| _Chris_ | From
the settings in KGPG, I only see *one* option for starting with TDE. So
in Geman I have one option in the translation file which says with KDE,
one with TDE and one simply without anything of both. You removed one,
now we have two remain. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, good to know. So I will take an eye on that next time. |
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| SlavekB | For some reason, two similar strings are used in kgpg. Therefore, each one is in POT / PO. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po?id=12d68a10116cbd4c0d359fac18b06ac8ba09f3f1#n2206 and https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-i18n/tree/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po?id=12d68a10116cbd4c0d359fac18b06ac8ba09f3f1#n3050 |
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| SlavekB | I wasn't looking to see if one of them is the toggle buttonname and the second hint text or what. |
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| SlavekB | FYI: |
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| _Chris_ | Okay. No problem. Just wanted to report. :-) |
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| SlavekB | msgmerge --previous --backup=none --update |
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| SlavekB | /var/lib/weblate/data/vcs/tde/tde-i18n/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po |
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| SlavekB | /var/lib/weblate/data/vcs/tde/tde-i18n/template/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.pot| |
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| SlavekB | Command '['msgmerge', '\--previous', '\--backup=none', '\--update', |
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| SlavekB | '/var/lib/weblate/data/vcs/tde/tde-i18n/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po', |
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| SlavekB | '/var/lib/weblate/data/vcs/tde/tde-i18n/template/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.pot']' |
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| SlavekB | returned non-zero exit status 1 |
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| SlavekB | /var/lib/weblate/data/vcs/tde/tde-i18n/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po:3052:
duplicate message definition... |
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| SlavekB | /var/lib/weblate/data/vcs/tde/tde-i18n/tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeutils/kgpg.po:2836:
...this is the location of the first definition |
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| SlavekB | msgmerge: found 1 fatal error |
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| SlavekB | This was the error message I received from Weblate for that. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. So you simply removed that duplicate. I got it. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I found out. One is used for the *.kcfg file and the wizard. The other one is used for the config dialog. |
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| SlavekB | You can try on previous file: |
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| SlavekB | msgfmt -o /tmp/test.mo tde-i18n-de/messages/tdeuilts/kgpg.po |
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| _Chris_ | No,
all good. It's unrelated to that change now. That "TDE" string can
simply be removed and therefore the one from the kcfg file can be used,
or the other way. Maybe I will make some commit for that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Is it possble that some applications like "gtk3-tqt-engine" are not in weblate? |
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| SlavekB | In some applications, there seemed to be no useful texts for translating. These are not in the Weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, good to know that. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, how about update for translation related to tdelibs#38? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Will come today, but not for the added browser and office applications. So that one will remain fuzzy. |
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| SlavekB | Ok :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just
wanted to spam you all with my PRs. I have seen some are still
outstanding because of time. So I thought you have to do other tings now
anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | *don't |
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| _Chris_ | Therefore I used that time to look at my summary issues for KDE/TDE, Qt/TQt and fill the list. |
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| SlavekB | I
am interested in these corrections in translations to know if they will
be included in today's template updates and merging translations into a
stable branch :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, so I have to hurry up. Yes, just forgot about that. It's sunday. Weblate merge is today. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Because
of this one entry about libreoffice and added browsers, you can decide.
Either existing translations will not be fuzzy, but lacking that
additional browsers and so on, or they will be fuzzy, but translators
will know, they have to update that entry. I think the second way would
be the right way, sadly. How do you think about? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the second way seems to be right. I'm not sure, but it is possible that most of these translations are already fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but like you have seen, I fixed that with my latest commits. The
commits MIchele did for me are not fixed that way. At least that made
not to mark already fixed entries to mark as fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | So I will let it stay as fuzzy for the added browsers and such. Rest will be like always. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
also have opened some issue with ideas how we can get all this right in
translations, after all original strings are fine. But it's another
topic. Just you know. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I noticed it, but because it's too long, I haven't read it thoroughly :) |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. It's just my notepad for that topic and for brainstorming. |
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| _Chris_ | And
as you noticed maybe, I started to also fix spanish translation. But it
would be very good to know, from which country we have the most users,
to give that language priority, you know? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I noticed that you started speaking Spanish :) |
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| * _Chris_ smiles. |
| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Seems there is a merge conflict for that commit I made. You will most likely rebase the branch anyway, right? |
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| _Chris_ | At least I get some notice in TGW. |
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| SlavekB | I see. Yes, here is necessary to rebase and manually merge conflicts. |
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| _Chris_ | :-( |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that is related to the fact I started to speak Spanish. |
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| SlavekB | Yes :) |
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| SlavekB | I can explore and solve it... |
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| _Chris_ | Would be nice. Next time I will do it. Just forgot to update my branch. |
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| SlavekB | One conflict has been resolved automatically, the other has a simple solution. |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely it was because I simply removed that TDE SSL fuzzy mark in Spanish, hm? |
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| _Chris_ | And did it now again in the commit. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. msgid "KDE SSL Certificate Dialog" |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
this was probably due to the fact that the fuzzy tag was removed on
both sides while editing the string => more changes on both sides in
the same area. |
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| _Chris_ | Speaking too much Spanish was a bad idea, it seems. Okay, but nothing very problematic it seems. |
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| SlavekB | you can do: "git pull --rebase" on you branch. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, that was easy. Similar problems sometimes occur when cherry-pick into a stable branch. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes cherry-picking I still know from the past when playing with git. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I pushed my updated branch, with my changes on top of my rebased branch. But TGW still shows the notice. |
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| _Chris_ | Pushing it doesn't update the commit either. |
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| _Chris_ | I will try another PR. |
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| SlavekB | You pushed the changes without pulling my changes after I solved the conflict? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, now I thought I should resolve it. :-( |
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| _Chris_ | I haven't noticed any changes from you. |
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| _Chris_ | I pulled in master, rebased my branch on master, resolved that conflict, pushed it again but it doesn't showed up in the PR. |
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| _Chris_ | *from |
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| SlavekB | You had pull for your branch ranslation/tdelibs :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I wasn't aware you already fixed it. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, fixed again :) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I just leave it this way now. :-) |
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| SlavekB | On your branch translation/tdelibs you now should: git pull --rebase |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, done. |
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| SlavekB | In pull-request you can see, that now all is fine :) |
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| _Chris_ | All good now. I just had open that tab and had not updated it while chatting with you. |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe that one can get his/her Weblate train today. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly
I pull any latest changes anyway. But seems I forgot about this time,
because I just was in hurry to fix something here in real life. |
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| _Chris_ | I am interested too, if weblate just takes that now. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
So, I have checked every bit and byte related to messages about KDE/Qt
in every application in TDE. You can see the two issues about to have
some overview about the status of today. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
will open one issue more for something new I noticed: Deprecated "You
need at least KDE 3.1 to run this application"-like messages. Should be
clear that is unrelated to TDE and TDE applications will not run under
KDE 3.1 anway. So this messages should be removed. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't get that. From what I see, the old "kde-uml-diagram" messages are back again. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, kde-uml-diagram is obviously in some file :) |
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| _Chris_ | So you mean some other place too? I feared I have forgotten anything. |
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| _Chris_ | But if I look for TDEPrint, that looks fine and seems to have worked. |
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| _Chris_ | The source lines have changed, but that is no problem, right? |
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| SlavekB | yes, changing line numbers doesn't matter. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you already reviewed that msgmerges and seen if they are fine? |
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| SlavekB | Update templates and merge translations into the stable branch is already finished. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
wonderful. So I hope all was fine. Maybe I will investigate that
"KDE-UML-Diagram" again. It seems to be resistant again renaming power.
:-) |
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| _Chris_ | I just see that merges for that tdelibs commit today. What is about the other ones? Are already merged some days ago? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdesdk/src/branch/master/umbrello/umbrello/umldoc.cpp#L1918 |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the other pull-request for tdelibs are already merged. |
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| _Chris_ | No, that for tdebase, tdenetwork, tdesdk and so on. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, good to know about that one. I will get rid of it next time. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | There are other ones too. Hm, seems I have overseen them. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, simply overseen. Shame on me. |
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| _Chris_ | No,
I haven't overseen it. I just saw it and though it will be away after
my commit. I just wasn't knowing, it is a different one. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
How about renaming "KDE classic" theme in "TDE classic"? Because to be
fair, it is still using the "T" menu button. I just ask you before doing
that. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, KDE classic can be renamed to TDE classic. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay.
I ask because I am preparing a commit with the forgotten, really last,
rename in tdebase. I can simply add this change than too. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
wasn't sure, because classic also means like KDE was back then. But
otherwise, artwork was redone for TDE too. So renaming it could be a
good idea. I think that is a good thing. |
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| _Chris_ | I
could had contributed to TDE since 2010, if I had known about it. I
just preserved my old KDE3 install until Gentoo removed it completely
and at some point I thought that is the end and tested several WMs
nearly a decade. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
You can simply deactivate fuzzy marking for msgmerge/weblate, I found
out. That could be simply added to the file for msgmerge before any
merge of translations, which should not show up as fuzzy. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/2690 |
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| SlavekB | I'm
not sure we want this. Disabling --no-fuzzy-matching in msgmerge would
cause the translation will be always empty when the source string was
changed => there would be no attempt to fill the translation with a
previous string that seems appropriate. |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
I just meant to change that for merge batches we know there will be
only such changes we talk about. Just for some batch and change it back
to normal afterwards. |
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| _Chris_ | Quanta for example. I did some review of the en_GB language file, because Michele did that commit. |
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| SlavekB | This
would cause even a small change in the source string to always throw
away the original translation => translators would always start from
scratch. This seems to be much worse than filling the text and marking
fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | And I found a good hand full of already fuzzy translations. This one we changed now was also already fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I see. |
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| _Chris_ | So that setting not just simply ignores to set that fuzzy that? |
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| _Chris_ | There
has simply to be some option to prevent we do this all manually. The
thing is that mostly all KDEs are already replaced in the translations.
Just the original strings need correction most of the time. So that
could be perfectly merged, without simply setting it as fuzzy. |
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| SlavekB | When
calling msgmerge, it solves how to fill existing translations to
current state of source strings. If there is match in the source string,
it's simple. If there is no match, there are two options: |
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| SlavekB | 1. find a similar source string, and use previous translation from similar source string => but this will mark it as fuzzy. |
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| SlavekB | 2. leave translation empty. |
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| _Chris_ | So if there is no fuzzy mark, it will neither be used, right? |
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| _Chris_ | The thing is.. If fuzzy is set.. It will neither be displayed and the original string will be displayed instead. :-( |
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| SlavekB | Yes, but if the source string has changed, then there is no "valid" original translation. |
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| * _Chris_ grumbles. :-) |
| SlavekB | So
the PO will either be empty => the english will be displayed and the
translator must start from the beginning, or the original translation
will be pre-filled, which seems appropriate, but marked fuzzy => the
translator can simply revise it. |
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| SlavekB | So,
if we are making a change, where we know it is feasible to update
translations (template, source strings, translations), then we can do it
to avoid tagging existing translations as fuzzy. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
the only bad thing is, that fuzzy translations are not displayed for
users of TDE. That results in this mixed up dialog of translation and
English. Right solution most likely will be to do that by hand with a
translator for every language. Or we have to do it step by step for
every language, at least for entries which are simple renamings. |
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| _Chris_ | At least that manual changing seems to work. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I have some question about weblate. There are entries, which are no
existing anymore. At least I get 404, if I look for their source. And
manually they are not existing either. |
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| _Chris_ | *not |
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| SlavekB | Entries in tdelibs/tdelibs? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdebase/kcmkicker/de/?checksum=7fd7f81552884ba7 |
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| _Chris_ | This one, for example. Tdebase -> kcmkicker. Tiles is not existing. |
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| _Chris_ | I had something like this for TQt too. And also anywhere in tdegraphics. |
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| SlavekB | Ach, this is a special case. 'Tiles' relates to file names in tdebase/kicker/data/tiles folder: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kicker/data/tiles |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. So existing, but weblate is confused about this? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I will ask you about other entries later, if I find them again. |
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| _Chris_ | Other
thing is: There are original entries in weblate, which still show up
with old content, but the content was updated. If you click for the
source, you will see that. And that is after any merge to translation
files was done. |
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| SlavekB | But
it is a good idea that I could try to modify the generation of
temporary file for these translations so that they refer to an existing
folder. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't have some example now. But I will surely find one next time. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that would be good. I was not sure if this is a ghost entry, or it is existing. |
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| SlavekB | All translations in Weblate should be valid. Only for a few exceptions, references to source code may not work correctly. |
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| _Chris_ | How comes they not work sometimes? |
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| _Chris_ | I prepared some commit for tdebase, but I waited to ask you about that kicker one, so I take that with. :-) |
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| SlavekB | For
example, today I have ensured that there are functional links for
translations in the tdelibs that are extracted from the source files in
TQt3. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I mean I know what you mean.. |
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| _Chris_ | I discovered some strange translations anywhere different from TQt3 some time ago. |
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| _Chris_ | We get our Weblate just perfect in some time. That is value of experience. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Because
TQt uses "ts" => "qm" files for translations, strings from TQt are
extracted in tdelibs and included into tdelibs.pot template so that they
can be translated in the standard gettext way. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore,
some of the strings from tdelibs refer to the tqt3 repository and these
links did not work ... until this afternoon :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, wonderful, SlavekB. So I can work on that part once again in German in next time. Very good. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I'll be offline for a while ... until I move to the home machine. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Wait. |
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| _Chris_ | I can't find that string in the tiles folder either. |
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| _Chris_ | You can think about that when going home. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | See you. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Have you found that original translation string I wrote about? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: Just have seen you merged my new kicker icon. Good to see that. |
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| SlavekB | Your translation |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdebase/kcmkicker/de/?checksum=7fd7f81552884ba7 |
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| SlavekB | ...refers to set of icons KDE_button_* in https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kicker/data/tiles |
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| _Chris_ | But.. |
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| _Chris_ | That would mean I have to rename that *.png files ro renaming it? |
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| SlavekB | Next translation is similar - Blue Wood refer to set of icons blue_wood_* |
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| SlavekB | No, the icons are still the same. |
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| _Chris_ | Because I can't find some original *string*. |
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| SlavekB | These translations are just the names of the icon sets you choose in the settings. |
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| _Chris_ | The icons start with "KDE_button". |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but the original string is called "KDE button". In translation I set it
to "TDE Knopf", how can I change that original value/string? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, names of icon sets are transformed => underscore replaced to space and first letter of word are converted to uppercase. |
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| SlavekB | Ah, this is what you mean :) |
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| _Chris_ | Wow. Yes, I wasn't sure about this. Had a clue. Are there any other references? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | So if I rename them, I want to take sure, there are no missing references after rename to TDE_button*. |
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| SlavekB | When files will be renamed, a new source string based on the new icon set name will be generated after the template update. |
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| _Chris_ | Tricky one. That should be added as comment to the translation, for reference or so in weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, we know. But with some additional translation commit, we will prevent that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I just mean that some code expect the "KDE*" png files.. |
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| _Chris_ | So after some update of users, they have missing icons or something like that, you know? |
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| _Chris_ | Because in some config file is still "KDE_button_*". |
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| SlavekB | It is likely that the icon set name may have users saved in their settings. |
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| _Chris_ | So they are getting problems after such a change, hm? Therefore the question.. |
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| _Chris_ | But, I can do that change and look what changes it bring for me, okay? |
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| _Chris_ | Some
script (that one after TDM start) should rename that config strings in
the config of the users when they update then. I have seen, that you
used that script for other things like that in the past. |
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| _Chris_ | r14-xdg-update - Or so. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
for such a change we can prepare rules into r14-xdg-update that will
update the settings in the user profile at the start of the session. |
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| _Chris_ | Perfect. But I will do that change in a solo commit then and not with other renamings in tdebase. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it will be good to rename this icon in one commit along with adding the rule to r14-xdg-update. |
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| _Chris_ | If this rule is needed. I will do that as WIP than. Thanks. |
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| SlavekB | If we want to make adjustments to user settings, then we should add the rule to r14-xdg-update. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I will test if changes are needed for my setup. If all works like
before (because the images are cached maybe) we don't need that, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Because, I found no reference to that name either in tdebase anywhere. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that last statement is no reason, I know. We will see. |
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| SlavekB | You
try to set up a set of icons with KDE_button and look in your
configuration file. I assume that the name of the set will appear here. |
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| SlavekB | By
the way, I was wondering why you did a new PR for tde-i18n/tdesdk
instead of pushing a new patch into the original PR. But now leave it as
it is... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. Let me look at this. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you mean that. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I thought about that. For me it was a different thing. But if I think a second time about that, you are right. |
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| _Chris_ | No, you are absolutely right. Next time I will handle that this like. |
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| SlavekB | Now anyway, the first of these PRs will be closed without merging. |
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| _Chris_ | You mean that one which is orphaned now, because of the new one? |
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| _Chris_ | Is that bad for some kind of statistic, or why you point that out? :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, TDE/tde-i18n#15 will be closed as 'discarded'. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, or I reupload that branch with corrections. But than you have to delete the newer one. :-( |
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| SlavekB | It is not a problem - here is mentioned that the original pull-request has been replaced by new pull-request. |
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| SlavekB | So we won't wonder why this pull-request was discarded :) |
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| _Chris_ | I
just found it would look a bit out of context - The title of the PR had
to be changed to reflect what is going on. It is some PR which deletes a
string and is therefore different than normal translation PRs. So I
found that should be clearly visible. |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
Good to sort all of this, to get some overview. I also have seen that
milestone issues. Wonderful. That can be a great source for a changelog
window in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | I just wanted to ask you. Will my renaming commits to original strings merged into stable too? Or just to 14.1x branch? |
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| SlavekB | You can see that virtually all of your original string changes have been merged into the r14.0.x branch. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, good point. I can see that myself. I just watch the https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ page all the time to verify. That reflects r14.x branch? |
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| _Chris_ | I ask because some PRs are added to the milestone isssues by Michele. But most are not added. |
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| SlavekB | On this commit history you can change branch in header. |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/?search=&branch=r14.0.x |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, really? Never seen that. |
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| * _Chris_ lifts his eyebrowns. |
| _Chris_ | True point. |
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| SlavekB | Oops - today I am very strict - another pull-request to which I have reservations ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that is operational blindness. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | All good. What have to be better, that have to be better. |
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| _Chris_ | Good you have seen that tdesdk one. That was bad. |
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| SlavekB | By
the way, "Summary" issues for milestones are updated manually (for
now). I try to do it always on Sunday, but this Sunday i missed it ...
they are updated now :) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
you are maintaining them. Good to know. Thank you. Wasn't sure if that
changes were not included for a reason, therefore I asked. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting how that "Qt:" was added back then. I am sure that is not the only thing that was changed/added this way. |
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| SlavekB | Also draft for detailed changlog for R14.0.7 on wiki is updated manually.. see https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.7 |
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| _Chris_ | What
you think about some changelog window, which pops up after every update
of TDE? Or some document which is added to the desktop or so, with the
changes? I don't know. I have created some textfile about that already.
Just brainstorming. TDEWelcome. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Wow, do you do that changelog manually also? |
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| SlavekB | I have a script that generates a changelog for the wiki directly from the git log. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. A lot of changes. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I should care a bit more about commit names then, if they are included everywhere. |
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| SlavekB | Manually I have to do only two things - to generate new content of changelo and place it on the wiki :) |
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| _Chris_ | When entered you TDE team, by the way? |
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| SlavekB | This
was shortly after the release of TDE v3.5.13 because it contained many
bugs and I volunteered to be a maintainer of stable releases. |
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| SlavekB | This was the reason that a fourth version number => v3.5.13.x was introduced for the v3.5.13 branch :) |
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| selk | I like this change in Qt3: " |
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| selk | Change tests for glibc version. |
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| selk | It resolves building with libc libraries |
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| selk | other than glibc - for example musl libc. |
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| selk | " |
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| selk | It would be good if TDE can compile againt libressl, too. |
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| SlavekB | You can see this issue ;) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/issues/28 |
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| selk | Wow.. it is a big ChangeLog, lot of work! |
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| selk | It looks like it is resolved now :-) |
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| selk | Thanks SlavekB |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Wow, interesting to know. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | selk: Exactly that was the reason I asked you about your current status of running TDE with musl back then. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
There was someone here in IRC wanted to get that working and asked for
people who have tried that in the past. That was the root of this
commit. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | selk: I have just seen some Pull-Request about adding LibreSSL support too. But I don't know if the changes were merged. |
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| selk | I
have not yet had the opportunity to work on this, as there are parts of
the distribution that are pending. But it will be easier now
that TDE offers better compatibility with musl and libressl. |
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| selk | It looks like the people of Void is trying TDE, which uses musl and libressl |
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| _Chris_ | You
should definitely report if building with musl will work for you then.
If so, TDE is one step further away from beeing also indipendent from
not only Linux, also from glibc. :-) |
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| selk | Of course! |
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| _Chris_ | Yes.
Avoiding to include it in the distribution just because of TQt3 is just
stupid. It is one single package and not the maintaince burden like Qt4
or something like that. Also there is no *known* user who had security
problems. Also in changelogs you can see security changes are also
included. |
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| _Chris_ | Has dragora added TDE now, by the way, selk? |
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| selk | Not yet, I am working on the installer |
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| selk | The default for now is Xfce, a custom version without "Thunar" |
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| selk | But we have to complete the parts for it |
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| selk | Later I can try to build TDE |
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| selk | a lightweight version without thunar, I mean. |
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| _Chris_ | I
see. Yes, TDE and kparts should give you a lot of choices for make some
installer and such things. Look what SuSe created from it, back in
days. :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
the string "TDE Icon data" in
buildtools/autotools/autoprojectwidget.cpp is definitely interesting.
There the "prefix" argument is used, although the string does not
contain any position where it should be filled. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: There is also some other string I found, which should be renamed, or not.. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that explains maybe, why "%1" was used in the translations? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it was used different some versions earlier? |
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| _Chris_ | I have seen that by some strings already. |
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| _Chris_ | So that prefix should be removed, or I am wrong? |
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| _Chris_ | Just fixed some hardcoded music path in JuK. Seems someone has left it while development back in days. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | That path will be also changed in further commits. Seems he did work on some more things. At least two. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Some thing I noticed and I want to work on at some point. Have you ever
noticed, that the screen in the kcmbackground is 16:9 or so but the
screens in kcmkicker and/or kcmscreensaver are just in 5:4? 16:9 should
be used in all places, to be consistent. Or better would be.. if that
would change in dependence on the physical size/resolution of the screen
you use. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, a good tip. The screens at least could be of the same proportions. |
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| _Chris_ | I
know that the drawing of the preview has to be changed in addition to
just changing out the image. Maybe I will work on that. We will see. |
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| _Chris_ | I noticed it while translating, because when I did review, I had to open the windows after another. |
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| _Chris_ | And
the screen in kcmbackground or generally should be centered displayed
for languages which display a too long string for "Get new wallpaper",
like it was in German before. Then the screen was hanging at some side.. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Have you already changed out that git submodule linking to TGW now? |
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| SlavekB | You mean the instructions in Readme.md? |
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| TomTheDragon | Most of my own displays are actually 4:3, so would prefer if it was computed. It doesn't appear to break anything at the moment. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
No, the git submodules (cmake, admin) does pull from
scm.trinitydesktop.org, you know? We talked about when I can't pull from
it. :-) |
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| SlavekB | It
depends on how you did the cloning repository. If you used the
switch_all_submodules_to_head_and_clean script, it automatically ensures
that the submodules are cloned from the same location as the main
module. :) |
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| _Chris_ | TomTheDragon:
I still use a lot of 4:3 displays. I mean that, by the way. Not 5:4.
Yes, I would like that too. Same would be nice to have for TDM to decide
which background for a fresh TDE install should be used. The actual
used is cropped with some 4:3 display. |
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| _Chris_ | To be honest, I just clone by git clone, without any magic. I just have to create some TDE working environment it seems. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so computing would be better than hardcoding some aspect ratio. Good someone speaks up about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Back
in the days KDE people just changed out that image for the screen.
Looks it was some fast change anyway. Just edited image and done. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, you noticed the note on tdegraphics pull-request? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, right now. Fix will come next minutes. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) Great, thank you. |
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| _Chris_ | Translation will come too now. |
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| SlavekB | Great. Other Mergeland passengers seem to be ready :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I think so. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Haven't
noticed your note at first, because I had to defend the cherrys in my
garden, with some mesh. Other way, they will eat the remaining ones too.
:-) |
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| _Chris_ | The birds. To be more clear. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: use machinegun.. :D Its effective against raids :D |
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| _Chris_ | I
can use the airgun to make them fly away. But normaly, I let every
animal live in my garden, as long they don't bother me very much. I also
have some swallows, which fly every year to me, to build some nest. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I found another translation, which source I can't really find for sure. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/dependencies/tqt3/de/?q=qt&search=ftx&source=1&target=1&type=all&offset=2 |
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| SlavekB | I see. This has a simple explanation. It is a translation in "ts" format, not "po". And there are no links to the string source. |
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| _Chris_ | So that string will not visible to TDE users, or should it be renamed? |
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| SlavekB | These strings are usually only used by pure TQt applications ... that we don't have in Trinity. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but TQt belongs to TDE. So I would like to rename it anyway. Is there a way to find the source specific? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, surely it is a good idea to rename it ... unless it is already renamed. |
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| SlavekB | Here
is one important thing: Translations in dependencies/tqt3* are not
automatically updated from sources. Therefore, it may happen that the
original string is already modified, but the TS files remain unchanged. |
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| SlavekB | For example, mentioned string is in tqt3/src/dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp:597 => already changed from Qt to TQt. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
although we in kpersonalizer have changed KDE Classic to TDE Classic,
in tdelibs/tdestyles/themes/default.themerc you can still find KDE
Classic. |
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| SlavekB | It seems that if you now select TDE Classic in kpersonalizer, then KDE Classic will be displayed in the TDE Control Center :) |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting! I will investigate that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is that the icon theme or the windowmanager decoration, you are
speaking about? Or you mean that "KDE_Classic" within the design
selection? |
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| SlavekB | I expect it in widget style. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
these entries in the design selection are for me in English too. And it
I have seen at some other place in the code, that some strings are
hardcoded. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, got what you mean. I will look for it. :-) |
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| SlavekB | When you look into the TDE Control Center for widget style, there you will find KDE Classic. |
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| SlavekB | It may not be the same KDE / TDE Classic as we changed in kpersonalizer, but probably we could also rename it. |
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| _Chris_ | Sure. That has to be renamed to be consistent. |
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| _Chris_ | But you will find it in the design dialog too. Just looked for that. |
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| _Chris_ | That names come from *.desktop files. And from what I see, there are just translated in a few languages. |
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| _Chris_ | And this places: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/master/tdestyles/themes/default.themerc |
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| SlavekB | Yes, this file I mentioned at the beginning :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh.. Never read that above. Just see, that you wrote more. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, read all you wrote above. Yes, got what you mean. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But from that I found another one, which has to be renamed. That one in the design dialog. That is some different string again. |
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| _Chris_ | For
such files, there is no possibility to set strings to fuzzy, right?
Because some languages are absolutely unreadable for me. Neither some
KDE is to find. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there is no such option for desktop files (before we can translate them using Weblate). |
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| _Chris_ | I can just add some "TDE" to that strings. But that is no solution, right? |
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| SlavekB | Where KDE is not clearly visible, it is probably better to leave the string unchanged. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
then I will maybe add some issue for that, to set them to fuzzy if
weblate integration is done. Otherwise we will most likely never come
about that again. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, without creating an issue we will definitely forget it :) |
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| selk | _Chris_: You are translating TDE using what? |
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| selk | Some tool in particular? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. TWTW. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/ |
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| _Chris_ | You
can start translating also without creating some account. But then you
don't get credits for it and you can just give suggestions. Better is to
create some account. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You can do it online and don't need anything other than your browser. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Weblate_Translation_Workspace |
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| _Chris_ | But
some tip: Please get some feeling how your language is used in TDE, if
you want to start. Look for some already translated strings and so. You
will get a feeling very fast. |
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| selk | <_Chris_> You can do it online and don't need anything other than your browser. |
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| selk | Sounds good! |
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| selk | Yes, thank you. I have some experience making translation for other projects (e.g xchat2, tellico, oddmuse) |
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| selk | Translating it to Spanish. |
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| selk | I will take a look to the Weblate project |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
Spanish is very welcome. If you like, I can help you to get what is the
most important to beging with. But we have to do that some other time.
There is a good bunch of translation which needs to be reviewed, to be
displayed again. Most of the time the strings are fine, or need slightly
adjustment. But TDE needs someone to do that, for every language. :-) |
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| selk | Yeah, good point. I am creating an account for now |
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| _Chris_ | It would be wonderful, if you could do a little bit here and there, if you have time. Just a little bit every day. |
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| selk | Why not, it is fun. Of course, it must to be well-done (whenever is possible). |
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| selk | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | For example, that one. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdebase/konqueror/es/?checksum=e4d8e8c66321e0c1 |
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| _Chris_ | If you see, the translated string still holds "KDE". The original (English) string holds TDE already. |
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| _Chris_ | Often,
the entry is marked as "need edit" (also called fuzzy). If that is the
case, it will not be displayed within TDE. Instead of this, the English
original string will be displayed in the GUI. |
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| selk | The right thing would be: "Archivos de marcadores de TDE (*.xml)" |
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| _Chris_ | Because of the conversion from "KDE" to "TDE" in all strings, a lot of strings were marked as "need edit". |
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| selk | I understand. I can do! |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Exactly. |
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| selk | Finally, something I can help in TDE, since I need time to check if builds under musl/libressl ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | I want to create some wiki page, to describe how to get that strings, if someone starts translating. |
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| selk | That would be good |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. That translation is VERY welcome. If some language has no maintainer, it is in bad shape. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
also, every string (original) which is changed by TDE, will be fuzzy
(need edit) in the translation. Slavek, me and Michele try to prevent
that with commits since some time. But we can't verfify it is fully
ritght, without some help from native translators. |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
It would be completely up to you, that TDE is wonderful in Spanish.
Translations you do, will be included nearly instantly within TDE. Every
two, or three days, they will be merged. But to test them before next
release, you will most likely have to use R14.1.branch, or testing. Or,
if I am right, R14.0.x testing packages should include that changes as
well. |
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| selk | Ok _Chris_. I have the account now. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | If
you don't know how to name something, it is a good idea to search for
that original string within your translation, in the same project. Or
other projects. It should be some goal, to streamline the names for
specific things. So it is consistent. But you said you have experience
with other translations, right? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | It
is also a good idea to start with tdebase, or the tde* projects. So you
can work from inner (tdebase, tdegraphics, tdelibs) to outer
(applications like amarok). |
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| _Chris_ | Good
would be also, if you get some project to 100%. The translations you
do, will result in commits, you will see also in the patches page. |
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| _Chris_ | http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ :-) |
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| selk | Your suggestions are welcome in order to have correct translations. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yellow entrys are the one, which needs edit, red also. Green is perfect. |
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| selk | How I save a "commit" message? |
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| selk | I mean, If I edit a translation or I have a new change to make, how I save a little message about this? |
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| _Chris_ | No, your contributions are merged as commits. But you don't do commits. You can click on "save" and you are done. |
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| _Chris_ | Your name and your email fields are for your name and your email. |
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| _Chris_ | Please don't translate that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You can simply write "Selk" there, if you want. Or your full name. How you like it. |
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| SlavekB | Of course, it is better to use a real name :) |
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| _Chris_ | Sure. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | It's
good to start with projects which just lacks one or two strings, which
are untranslated, or "need edit". So you can get one project to "100%".
So you can get some overview after some time, which projects you are
done with and which ones you need to review again. I already have done
the whole tdebase in German. So you can do a lot, also if you are alone.
:-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
already started to fix very little of strings in Spanish which were
self-explaining, related to the KDE to TDE renaming. But it's important
someone native speaking does that. |
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| _Chris_ | *few |
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| selk | <_Chris_> You can simply write "Selk" there, if you want. Or your full name. How you like it. |
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| selk | I understand, but where? |
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| _Chris_ | And
if you are unsure, you can skip some entry too. Maybe you get some
idea, if you do following strings. Often, if you don't have some clue
what the translation string wants to express, you get some clue because
the next entry is the "What's this" entry (description), what the button
or so does. |
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| selk | I don't see a field where to store a message about the edition purpose... |
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| _Chris_ | There is some string in every project. |
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| selk | If any... |
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| _Chris_ | "Your names" |
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| _Chris_ | And also "Your emails". |
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| _Chris_ | Let me show. |
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| _Chris_ | They are the first entries. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdebase/ksplash/es/?type=all&offset=1 |
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| _Chris_ | Do you see all this names? That were also translators. |
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| _Chris_ | If you skip to the next entry, you can see their emails. |
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| _Chris_ | You just add some "," and your name. And for the email, you do the same. Just "," and your email. |
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| _Chris_ | They will be shown in the about dialog of the application, or part of TDE, you translate. |
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| selk | I see. I think for names an extra space is needed |
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| selk | Like "Foo, Bar, Baz" |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. But often it is not done this way. |
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| selk | Aha |
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| _Chris_ | You
can fix that, if you like. But normaly that is unrelated. Simply adding
some "," and your name does work too. You will see that is different
done in every project.. |
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| SlavekB | Both work here - there may be a space after the comma (for better readability), but it is not necessary. |
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| _Chris_ | The names will be extracted from that string and listed alone, with the email in the dialog. |
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| selk | I've added my name without an space after comma |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly
I do handle it in the way it was done in the project before. So if some
extra space was used, I will do that too. If not, I will do it like the
people before have done it. |
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| selk | I will start translating other strings in a moment, while I am compiling the linux kernel :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful! :-) |
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| SlavekB | As
_Chris_ mentioned above, translations are automatically pushed from
Weblate into the master branch. Then Wednesday and Sunday are the days
when the translations are merged into a stable branch. |
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| _Chris_ | selk: You can watch the patches page, which I linked you above and you will see your translations there as commit then. |
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| selk | Cool! |
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| SlavekB | ...and since today is mergeland day, you will see your first commits soon :) |
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| selk | merge party! |
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| SlavekB | Selk, it's okay that you contributed to British English translations? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/tdebase/kate/en_GB/?checksum=7fd3900a8220f96 |
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| SlavekB | Or should it rather be reverted? |
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| selk | Woops |
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| selk | I saw the translation in English to be translated into Spanish |
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| SlavekB | All right, I will revert :) |
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| selk | Sorry, I am still trying to understand the interface (weblate) |
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| selk | It is not hard, but I want to make sure to do the correct thing. |
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| _Chris_ | selk: No problem. I had to figure out the system myself. I understand you good. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Oops,
in an incomprehensible way I managed to push this unwanted change
instead of reset ... Selk, so you have your first commit :) |
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| selk | Thank you, where I can see it? in /patches ? |
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| selk | I am translating Kate now |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/commit/0510845e2111a0ae7879287dabd67fbdd2cccf5d |
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| selk | The symbol & has a special meaning in TDE? Let's say to highlight a letter in an option list or something? |
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| SlavekB | In the /patches commit will appear shortly (normally within an hour)... |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, I leave the explanation to you :) |
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| selk | Yes, it looks like & is for shortcuts in an option list |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Exactly, the & character introduces the character to be used as a keyboard shortcut - in menus, buttons, option lists,... |
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| selk | Thanks SlavekB |
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| * _Chris_ is busy right now. Sorry. :-( |
| selk | _Chris_: No problem |
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| _Chris_ | selk: Gratulation for your first commit. :-) |
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| selk | \o/ thx _Chris_ |
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| SlavekB | Source code link on right side is not useful? |
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| selk | I don't know if with "Move up/down" wants to *move* something or it wants to *go/back* to/from somewhere... |
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| selk | SlavekB: I would need to install TDE here. I am using a Kubuntu on this machine |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, selk. |
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| _Chris_ | I know that one. |
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| selk | from where I can obtain the latest TDE .deb packages? |
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| _Chris_ | It is for the left hand side list of open documents. for example. |
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| _Chris_ | They are ordered one on another. |
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| _Chris_ | Und you can move this item up and down, with this option. |
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| SlavekB | For master (R14.1.0) branch you can use Preliminary Testing Repository. |
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| _Chris_ | Not moving like a file you move somewhere. |
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| _Chris_ | I mean moving like you just move some tab in the kicker bar to another side or something like that. |
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| selk | _Chris_: It is about to move items? |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. Just the ordering of open documents will be changed. |
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| _Chris_ | Or open sessions. |
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| _Chris_ | You can do that with your mouse too. |
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| _Chris_ | Just with drag and drop. But that is some menü option for doing it. |
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| selk | And when it says, "Move up the selected session" it is about to move several sessions up or down? |
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| selk | sessions not items. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, if I am right, it is about to move the selected session (with mouse or keyboard). |
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| _Chris_ | You have to select something and than, you can move it, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you mean several. |
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| _Chris_ | No, session should be one session. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise it would be: "Move up the selected sessions". |
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| selk | _Chris_: It would be better if I try to install the current TDE and have a more clear panorama to make a better sentence |
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| _Chris_ | selk: That was what I wanted to suggest you, but wasn't sure it is possible for you at the moment. |
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| _Chris_ | But it is also very good to read other strings of the same project you translate. |
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| _Chris_ | If
"move" was used in that project within the same context already, for
example. You can get a clue how you should translate that. |
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| selk | Just in case I will edit the those strings again up to install TDE, |
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| _Chris_ | But to be honest. That "move" part in kate, is something I have on my list to review once again in German too. :-) |
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| selk | So.. "Move up" and "Move Down" are about moving items? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. It is about moving items. |
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| selk | and about the session is just one session. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise it would be "sessions". More than one. :-) |
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| selk | Ok, another dummy but important question |
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| selk | when it say "Move Up/Down" they are talking about UP and DOWN? |
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| selk | You can move only to UP and DOWN? |
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| selk | There are no directions like LEFT/RIGHT? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, exactly. It is some list and the items are ordered like you have konqueror listing your documents with a list. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| selk | Good, thanks :-) |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I know kate has a lot of options and some horizontal list should
be also possible. Most likely you will find that "left" and "right"
translations if you look for the already translated strings in the
project. |
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| _Chris_ | Good questions. That shows, that you think about what you are doing! :-) |
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| selk | It must to be well-done ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Sometimes
you have really to look how something looks in every day use. That
means, you should build the branch you want to use, but with latest
commits and review it. |
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| _Chris_ | You can change that string how often you want. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly! :-) |
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| selk | Right |
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| _Chris_ | You will be much better, if you practice. You will get some feeling how your language is used within TDE, after a while. |
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| _Chris_ | In
CZ for example, what Slavek translate, there is no "Desktop", or
something like that. That is just how it is handled within his language.
In German, we only use the formal "Sie". And in some languages, you
just don't use any "!" and use simply "." instead. And yes, weblate will
complain then, because "missing" point. But that is the way it was done
since KDE3 and that should be preserved. :-) |
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| selk | Haha |
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| selk | I see |
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| _Chris_ | That part about the "!" is because it feels to offensive for some mentality of cultures, or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | *too |
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| selk | strong |
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| _Chris_ | And,
by the way. If you find some "KDE" or "Qt" in the original "English"
strings. The ones you have to translate, you can report them to me,
okay? |
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| selk | Okidoki |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| selk | I will let you know, also if you have the whole source code |
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| selk | You can scan for it, grepping for matches |
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| * _Chris_ smiles. |
| _Chris_ | I know. But for me, the ones in the messages are much more important. |
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| selk | No problem. |
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| selk | Kate is almost ready |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful! :-) |
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| selk | I have to review the rest of the sentences which requires more attention. |
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| _Chris_ | You should see a "100%", if you are done. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, better let you time. |
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| selk | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | It's
sometimes possible, you have 100%, but there are still strings which
need review. That way you make the project really 100%. But sometimes
that are a whole lot. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
I'm at the machine where I have two monitors. When I right-click on the
desktop and select Configure Desktop, there I see images of two
monitors whose size seems to be calculated according to real =>
larger is widescreen, smaller is classic. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, interesting, SlavekB! |
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| _Chris_ | Good to know. That code could be re-used for other dialogs than. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But for kcmkicker, there is the need of special adjustment for the drawing of the kicker panel in addition. |
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| _Chris_ | I will open some issues for that today. Just have to do some things in real life still. |
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| mutantturkey | yeah i don't want to faff about things that i do not have enough time to support but |
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| mutantturkey | mike makes a good point |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it basically follows this: |
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| SlavekB | http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::15969 |
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| SlavekB | I'm writing a response to Mike's current mail right now :) |
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| mutantturkey | yeah |
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| mutantturkey | does the mirror infrastructure need to be so big? |
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| mutantturkey | wouldn't 1 box be basically enough? |
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| mutantturkey | with lots of storage |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the archive currently contains about 250 GiB. |
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| mutantturkey | right... |
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| mutantturkey | and a digital ocean or other cloud host should provide plenty of bandwidth |
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| mutantturkey | do we have any stats on number of individuals IPs per month/ |
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| SlavekB | I
would briefly say - now we have good resources on how to host all
needed services - that's why I write information for Mike's mail :) |
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| mutantturkey | ok |
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| _Chris_ | Just
hope they will never ever change the stock design of gitea. At the
moment it's wonderful to work with TGW. Just hope there will be never
someone with the idea to add some bloated interface, which needs a whole
time more to load. |
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| SlavekB | Soon we can expect Gitea 1.9 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. So at least if the devs are about semantic versioning, they will not change so much for 1.9. :-) |
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| SlavekB | You can see that the environment still looks just as quick and clear: https://try.gitea.io/ |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I noticed your commit related to the kicker tiles thing. Good work you fixed that. I have not tried it already. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, now link to source points to tiles folder. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's what I have expected from the commit. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) :) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
might be just bad luck, but the link loads much slower than TGW at the
moment. Maybe that's just related to other things. Just hope they don't
remove the color for the numbers and so on. All grey in grey would be
bad. |
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| _Chris_ | But by the way. See that is already 1.10 there. |
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| SlavekB | Ah, well, they already have a new development version on demo site :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | selk: I have seen more commits from you! Wonderfull to see that. :-) |
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| selk | Sorry, I still have to complete the final phrases for Kate |
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| selk | I will do soon as I can |
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| selk | I vote for _Chris_ as the coordinator for translations. ;-) |
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| SlavekB | That's a great idea. It is undisputed that _Chris_ is the most active contributor to translations :) |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | Thank you very much for the compliments. :-) |
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| selk | By the way, |
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| _Chris_ | At
least for German, I could do that. Or generally too, but like I pointed
out in some issue, it would be nice to have for every language some
maintainer. For Spanish, that could be selk. :-) |
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| selk | I've seen some used tags as <qt> and </qt> |
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| selk | Those are fine? or the tags has been changed to <tqt> ? |
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| _Chris_ | That tags are fine. But yes. That is some question I had too, if at what point, they could be changed. |
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| _Chris_ | Most
likely it would be good to add some additional tag for that to the
code, which interprets that. So the conversation would not destroy
everything and that could be replaced by some script or so on. |
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| _Chris_ | Generally,
you can look for the original strings. Sometimes that is a bad idea, if
the original strings have KDE inside. But not so long and that should
be not the case anymore and the original strings can be again a very
trusty source of reference for translations. |
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| _Chris_ | But
sometimes you will get errors about some missing tags. Than you should
look if the same tags are used in the translation strings. Sometimes
they are all right, but Weblate complains simply because the ones in the
original string are with chars in upper case. |
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| selk | Ok.. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you came about that already? |
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| selk | Just asking to do the correct thing. |
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| selk | I try to follow the translation close as possible. |
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| _Chris_ | "<p>Test</p>" and "<P>Test</P>" for example. |
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| _Chris_ | Like I wrote before, you don't need to be *very* strict to follow the original string. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | If you feel it sounds simply *wrong* in your language, just use what feels a little bit more common. |
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| selk | Yeah |
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| _Chris_ | I
gave you already that example about the "!", which in some languages is
interpreted to be too offensive. So they use simply points. |
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| selk | In Spanish "!" is valid |
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| _Chris_ | But,
weblate will complain. But you know what you do. You can also use the
zen editor. Right top edge button. That will give you all translations
as some page. |
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| selk | Thanks for the tips |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
in German too. But in KDE in German it was never translated this way.
It would be good to preserve that. If in Spanish it was always
translated 1:1, then it is fine. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. :-) |
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| selk | Do you know why it was never translated in that way? I am curious |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. But I have some clue. Germans are mostly interpreted to be very.. buerocratic? |
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| _Chris_ | Formal. |
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| selk | It would sound tougher. I guess |
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| _Chris_ | That is the point. The formal language is used in KDE3 translations. Not "you". |
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| selk | It has sense |
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| _Chris_ | And
just a personal opinion: But I have seen how kpersonalizer was written
in the original translation (English). And I am sure, if that would be
1:1 translated into German, than German people would not trust KDE3/TDE.
It just comes too.. Crazy? |
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| _Chris_ | German
KPersonalizer translations just looks how some papers from an office
are made in Germany. Like you just want to get some new documents or
license for anything. Spanish mentality is different. I know about a
little bit. :-) |
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| selk | It won't be serious |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely, today that would be a bit different in German. |
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| _Chris_ | But TDE is like preserving a bit of the past. And it's history. So we don't want to completely change it how it was, right? |
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| selk | Certain things can be changed, I suppose. Since it's a separate project. |
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| selk | For example, |
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| selk | It would be good to have a global header or something for compressors |
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| selk | So the parts which make use of compressors can incorporate this code instead to have the compressor code in "each project" |
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| selk | That is something that KDE4+ has |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I did also do that. Changing some things. But I know some people are
very sensitive about change. Me too. I just renamed the German
"Computer" icon and instantly someone had fear that could be done in all
translations. But the string was too long, so it wrapped up the icon
text. |
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| _Chris_ | You mean *.tar for example? |
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| selk | Yes |
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| _Chris_ | Sure. But that is about code. I just talked about the translations. But I am very skeptical if too much centralisim is good.. |
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| selk | Of course, the spirit is to follow the KDE3 tradition |
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| selk | I am agree with the translations and formal language |
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| _Chris_ | Every
project, world, state, and everything has some curve of most
productivity. And if you abstract things, that is wonderful. But if you
abstract too much, people will be scared. I know very much about that,
because I have seen projects dying in community sense. Take phpbb for
example. |
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| _Chris_ | You see it in softwere everywhere. |
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| _Chris_ | Code re-using is also fine. |
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| _Chris_ | But if just have to learn soooo much, just to code simple things, you don't will start to code. |
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| _Chris_ | Sometimes,
it's just simpler to maintain code in two places. If they grow up to
nearly 100, well it's maybe time to abstract that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | For example. Multimedia backends. |
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| _Chris_ | Amarok in KDE4 was never what it was in KDE3. |
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| selk | Good point |
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| _Chris_ | Because before it was simply using xine-lib. |
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| _Chris_ | Like Kaffeine too. |
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| _Chris_ | Than phonon came. |
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| selk | I am using KDE5, but I feel lost |
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| _Chris_ | And now it was Amarok/Kaffeine -> Phonon -> Xine-lib. |
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| _Chris_ | The thing was.. |
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| _Chris_ | It was a good part of work to maintain the xine-lib binding for amarok and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | Now they had to care about phonon. |
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| _Chris_ | And to that came.. Phonen xine-lib support was bad. |
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| _Chris_ | Because phonon just supported basic things. |
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| _Chris_ | And
amarok was using xine for example because it supports.. I don't come to
that word. Well, music will be muted slowly. Fade out. |
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| _Chris_ | Phonen didn't support that. |
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| _Chris_ | *Phonon |
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| _Chris_ | So a lot of problems never used phonon at the end and just implemented their own bindings for xine-lib, gstreamer and so on. |
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| selk | "... Well, music will be muted slowly. Fade out." |
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| selk | Wow, I remember this! It was long ago :p |
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| _Chris_ | Right. TDE's Amarok still do that! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And xine ist still maintained, in nearly the same tradition by two guys like TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | So
TDE has pros from xine-lib development still today. Music streaming is
much faster now and they implemented streaming over HTTP2. |
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| _Chris_ | Abstraction is some double edged sword. If something get's too abstract, no one can simply understand it. |
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| _Chris_ | There are psychological reasons too, against that. |
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| _Chris_ | In phpbb2, there was back then a very active MOD community. |
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| _Chris_ | Because the codebase was plain php, very simple and all people have build some MODs for it. |
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| _Chris_ | Phpbb3
made all abstract. People had no motivation to do MODs anymore. Because
at best, they would simply re-use all existing. Nothing of their own. |
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| _Chris_ | Today it is using some large framework. |
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| _Chris_ | And
just a minor PHP update had break it. Phpbb2 just runs still today.
Phpbb3 can't be fixed, because the framework will not run under the new
PHP version. |
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| selk | They become more complex even with the abstraction? |
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| _Chris_ | And porting to the new framework will be like rewritte from scratch. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | Because at some point you don't understand what get's abstracted. |
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| selk | Interesting |
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| _Chris_ | You see it in every life. Most poeple in the world don't even know the laws of their country. |
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| selk | It would be a nightmare here to know that, haha |
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| _Chris_ | Windows gives you much abstraction, for example. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but you have to be carfeful. |
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| _Chris_ | At some point, when mostly no one knows how that abstraction works anymore.. |
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| _Chris_ | The rules could be changes slightly.. |
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| _Chris_ | And no one will notice it.. |
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| _Chris_ | Keep care. |
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| selk | =) |
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| _Chris_ | Most
people can't understand how they are spied in the Internet. And all
started, that people were so happy all get's more simple and *free* for
them with the internet. |
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| _Chris_ | And than rules were changed.. Now all you do is collected. |
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| _Chris_ | That was some reason I started to use Gentoo. Because other distributions were abstracting too much. |
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| _Chris_ | Getting installed all per auto mode is wonderful, as long it works. But if not, you have no clue and need help. |
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| selk | And you felt that they lose flexibility? |
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| _Chris_ | Debian/Devuan and so on are much better there than Ubuntu, right. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | But that's a personal choice. I do it all myself better. Maybe wrong, but I know what I do. |
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| _Chris_ | That
is the reason I mostly use repaired hardware here. Not the latest one,
but I know every bit and byte and every cap in it. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | KDE3 was not about abstracting all. Instead of this, it was about expecting the user is not an idiot. |
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| _Chris_ | GNOME2 was different. |
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| _Chris_ | And that was fine too.. |
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| _Chris_ | Until GNOME3 came.. |
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| _Chris_ | That was too much of abstraction. |
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| _Chris_ | Things often are very connected to each other. :-) |
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| selk | True |
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| selk | I don't like GNOME, much less Unity or whatever |
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| _Chris_ | I also like TDE has TQt and not has changed to Qt4. |
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| _Chris_ | Other
way it would be dependent. And most likely TDE team just had to invest
all energy to stay up to date with Qt. With all that changes and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | Also changes which Qt want to force, but people don't like. |
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| _Chris_ | Flat design is also some way of abstraction. |
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| _Chris_ | I just said back in days, some day, there will be only text. |
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| _Chris_ | No icons anymore. And between this steps, there will be just icons without any colors. |
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| _Chris_ | G00gle
pushed that with material design. What just less people know: That was
not done without some idea. With this designs, people don't get anymore
what is advestisement and what not. |
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| _Chris_ | You said you feel lost in KDE5. How comes? |
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| selk | I don't know where things are, and I don't like the K menu either. |
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| selk | Heheh |
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| selk | I feel like I'm in the abstraction you say using KDE5. |
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| selk | Even if I open Kate... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that was my feeling back then. And it started in.. 2010 or so? |
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| _Chris_ | With GNOME3, Unity, KDE4.. |
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| _Chris_ | It just feeled *wrong*. |
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| selk | I haven't really done it by using it too much. I just don't feel it or I feel it like "if this isn't for me". |
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| _Chris_ | Also I am not one using that auto things from xorg. |
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| _Chris_ | Just plain, old xorg.conf. :-) |
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| selk | The old days are coming... |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | What makes me sad is: Back in the days, I could do the mostly same as today. |
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| _Chris_ | But without a way lower ressources. |
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| selk | Exactly! |
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| _Chris_ | Today all is more abstreacted. Needs more ressources. |
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| _Chris_ | And I just can do as much as back in days. |
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| _Chris_ | There are still good things. Yes, but if you look for websites. All that heavy JS scripts.. |
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| _Chris_ | Browsers are much like virtual machines these days. |
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| _Chris_ | Interestingly no one had problems back in days. Ebay and all that, they worked wonderful. |
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| selk | Internet 2.0 and nothing works |
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| selk | hehe |
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| selk | I think we have lot in common |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, interestinly TDE users have a lot in common in general. :-) |
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| selk | Fortunately, we're not alone. |
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| _Chris_ | Not the first time I talked about that here. Maybe you have seen. About CRTs and all kind of things. |
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| selk | I still have CRT :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, me too. |
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| _Chris_ | Writing from one.. |
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| selk | and old machines, to avoid e-waste |
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| _Chris_ | Sony FW900. My trinitron 24" CRT. You can't lift it! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I am using just old machines too. I have a lot of laptops from 2010 or
around. They are just used two years or so and died because of that
infamous ROHS solder! |
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| _Chris_ | So that BGA chips (GPU), or to be more exact that balls under it get cracky. |
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| _Chris_ | Resoldering that chips and they will work again. |
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| selk | Hoho, good! |
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| _Chris_ | So I like it to have some system for that older machines which still works wonderful on them. TDE in that case. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I just preserved my KDE3 desktop back in days, until Gentoo removed KDE3. |
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| _Chris_ | And
never heard about TDE. I just tested anything afterwards, but all was
too much abstraction and feeled wrong. So I just a lot of years just
some windowmanagers and some setup around them. |
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| _Chris_ | *used |
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| selk | I'd appreciate it if you'd try Dragora. I will inform you now when the next (beta) version comes out. |
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| selk | Of course, I have to see how to build and incorporate TDE |
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| _Chris_ | I
was not so much happy when back in days the news came that more and
more companies will invest or work on open source software projects. My
fear was, that more and more control get's lost. And if you see what
redhat does and so on and how much projects are ruled by companies, you
see what we got. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I will try that, okay? :-) |
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| selk | =D |
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| _Chris_ | The
funny thing is, that I came about Dragora already some years ago, not
knowing you. But I came about because of the advertisement of your
distribution. Some very different topic. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't know exactly what it was, I mean some text or something like
that. It inspired me for some likewise description for something. |
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| _Chris_ | From what I know, you just do it alone, or I am wrong? |
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| selk | Yes, there are other people interested but sometimes it lacks of time. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh and I am very interested to see if your efforts with musl are successful. :-) |
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| selk | I think it can work, we will see... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, back some years ago, I have seen just your commits and found it interesting you handle that. |
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| selk | Thanks. I'm finishing updating the toolchain now. It takes a long time to compile. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I can think of. |
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| selk | Now I have to go out and find my wife. I'm glad to talk to you. |
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| _Chris_ | Have a good evening, or what ever. Was nice with you too. :-) |
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| selk | Enjoy the night (or day?) o/ |
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| _Chris_ | You too. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, pull-request for krusader is ready to board the train to Mergeland? |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I might have found some translations which are not imported to weblate. |
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| SlavekB | I'll be offline for a while... |
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| _Chris_ | If you look for kvirc, you will see it holds *.pot and *.po files in some "modules" subdirs. |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, translations from these kvirc modules should be in the Weblate as individual components. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, good to know. Just noticed the strings were not in the kvirc component. But yes, this way it makes sense. |
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| SlavekB | Each separate POT file requires a separate component in the Weblate :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that makes sense. So that KVpnc handbook should be some component in weblate too. |
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| SlavekB | kvirc ready to merge? |
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| _Chris_ | Ready to merge. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just forgot the "c" in the commit title. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, no, that was KVpnc. But that is ready too. |
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| SlavekB | ach, I see, not only kvirc, but also kvpnc :) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) :-) |
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| _Chris_ | At
some point, we get free of KDE past, at least in messages. Every day a
little bit. But I will have to open some issue for the old upstream URLs
for overview too. |
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| SlavekB | Ok :) |
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| _Chris_ | Just noticed something. KMenu will be TMenu and not TDEMenu? |
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| SlavekB | I think this is not very uniform yet - somewhere is TMenu, somewhere TDEMenu. |
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| _Chris_ | I
see. We have to decide for one, because next phase of branding will
affect this things. I have added some little part about that
in the "KDE to TDE" issue. And from what I know, I have used in German
translation "TDEMenu" already. But in the tastymenu module in TGW, the
description of the repo is "Tasty Menu – T-Menu replacement". |
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| _Chris_ | Where I have replaced "K-Menu" in the translation also with "T-Menu". So at least that is consistent. We will see. |
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| mutantturkey | morning' |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, another small improvement - this time in tdelibs. |
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| SlavekB | Strings
were extracted from the generated tdeabc/addressess files, so
references to the string source from Weblate pointed to files that do
not exist in the repository. |
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| SlavekB | Now
these strings are extracted directly from the tdeabc/scripts/entrylist
file, which is the source for the generated tdeabc/addressee files. |
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| SlavekB | This
makes the links valid and pointing to the true source of the string
=> again, these are strings for which the first letters of the words
are capitalized. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Wonderful! Good work. I mean I just came about exactly this entries some days ago and know what you mean. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I dare say that our processing of translation templates has moved them to a much higher level than it ever was in the past :) |
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| SlavekB | For
example, the extracttips, extractrc, extractattr scripts always cause
references to string sources to point to temporary (nonexistent) files. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that might be true. And we are not done already. So R14.0.7 will be
wonderful. If it has some time still. I don't know if that releases are
planed. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, how you mean that exactly? |
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| SlavekB | The
previously used extractrc script, which is used, for example, for UI
files, has generated the "rc.cpp" file, which was then processed using
xgettext. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, references to string sources then referred to "rc.cpp", but this no longer existed. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
I see. Yes, that is much better that way. Never got what was the
problem with the non-existent source files. Just was wondered. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, when using extractrc, links in Weblate would be broken. |
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| _Chris_ | Did you write that scripts for weblate on your own by the way? |
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| SlavekB | To
prepare templates for translations, I created the TDEL10n cmake module.
This module has gradually replaced using extracttips, extractrc,
extractattr. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have noticed that when you introduced that. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Likewise,
some other specific scripts (for example, in tdeedu / kstars) are
replaced with CMake code, which prepares the extraction of text so that
references to the string source point to real files instead of temporary
files. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have seen, we have other translators for ES too and for some other
translations, from the commits. That is a good thing. And weblate is not
so long up, but there is already a good progress. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, a Dutch translator appeared today :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, haven't looked for latest commit already. Good to see that. |
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| SlavekB | It
is essential that our TDEL10n CMake module generate more sophisticated
templates, so links to string sources then work well in Weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it would be good to learn about CMake in future too. If I am more or less done with the translation and branding things. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, tdesvn and tork ready for way to Mergeland? |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately I can not ask Arabic ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, ready for Mergeland. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I am just doing the rest of this TDE Classic translations, for the five languages I couldn't even read the TDE from. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/issues/42 |
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| _Chris_ | With
some translator. First I get what it was originaly in English, than I
save that and re-copy that with TDE replaced. If that is not possible, I
take the German text as source translation and verify that outputs
looks mostly the same like before. |
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| _Chris_ | And
it seems that "TDE" can be either spelled with the native symbols of
this languages or either simply with "TDE" (what we and most people can
read). It seems that is highly mixed anyway in this languages, like
Hindi. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Ach, I have just seen that KVIrc typo fix from you. What ever went
wrong while doing that commit by me. Haven't noticed that. Seems I have
to look much closer. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But
I might know what happened here. I mean that was some single entry,
which was lacking, after my review. And I was really sure, that
shouldn't affect anything other. Seems I was wrong here. |
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| _Chris_ | Might
be better to work with mutiple commits for that in my local branch and
just squash them before pushing to TGW. Normaly I thought that wouldn't
be needed for this kind of changes, but that might be handy to see what
sed action has affected what other. |
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| _Chris_ | Your CMakeL10n commit is wonderful. Just had the chance to look at that. |
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| SlavekB | It's nice to see how new commits with translations arrive :) |
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| __Chris | SlavekB:
Yes, that's wonderful. Just had time to look for that. Seems this
translator just added some empty new translation yesterday and today he
translated it completely. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, exactly :) |
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| __Chris | I
still have to do that for abakus. I added that translation too some
week ago or so, to have some overview. But it needs to be filled still. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, yesterday I was too tired tonight ... your later posts I read in the morning. |
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| __Chris | Posts? You mean in the IRC or in TGW? :-) |
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| SlavekB | IRC |
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| __Chris | No problem. Have thought me something like that and was knowing you will most likely read that backlog anyway. |
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| SlavekB | We are in the same way - I also created a new translation for Abacus and I also haven't stepped forward with the translation :D |
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| __Chris | Wow, that's.. funny. :-) |
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| __Chris | Oh, yes. I have noticed that I mean, just after I did that. |
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| SlavekB | Abakus is my "favorite" for various tests... |
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| SlavekB | ...simply because it is usually the first :) |
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| __Chris | You
have to see it this way, with new translators: With R14.0.7 there will
be maybe much more translators, because the URLs are now more or less
all updated and refering to TWTW. |
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| __Chris | Really? Interesting. |
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| __Chris | Oh, yes, you mean from alphabet. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) yes, alphabet :) |
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| __Chris | Just had no time to check TGW today. I will look now what is new. |
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| __Chris | BTW: Was it the right way with the branch name for that fix with translations? |
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| SlavekB | When
someone adds a new translation for a new language, it not only commits
instantly, but at the same time I get an email with the information :) |
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| __Chris | Because I had the expection that some reference will show up in the issue about that PR otherwise. |
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| __Chris | Oh, I see. Just when someone added one or also when strings are translated? |
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| __Chris | By the way, email is working again, you might have noticed. |
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| SlavekB | Only when a new language is added. |
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| __Chris | Okay, otherwise that would be a lot emails. |
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| __Chris | Just noticed some bug. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it would be more emails than I would like to receive :) |
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| __Chris | In
KSysTrayCMD. I docked PaleMoon. But if it starts and I start another
applications, say konqueror or some folder while that starts.. The icon
will be not PM, instead of this, the icon of the application I started
after is displayed. |
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| SlavekB | Note: In case your commit fixes an existing bug on Bugzilla or issue on TGW, you can use a phrase in the git log like: |
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| SlavekB | This resolves bug XXXX (for bugzilla) |
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| SlavekB | This resolves issue #XXXX (for TGW) |
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| SlavekB | In the case of an issue, the TGW automatically makes a reference to the commit also in the issue log. |
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| SlavekB | And for both cases a bug / issue link will be created in commits log at https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| SlavekB | Note: Branch name issue/42/tde_classic is ok (Y) |
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| SlavekB | I'll be offline for several hours... |
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| SlavekB | Chris__, are you around? |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: Yes, more or less. :-) |
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| Chris__ | I am sorry, but this days I need to do some things in private life and I am a bit tired. But I will not vanish. No fear. :-) |
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| SlavekB | It seems that something has been overlooked in tdesvn. |
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| Chris__ | Oh. What exactly? |
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| SlavekB | Today's update of the POT template has put some KDE back, and this causing some fuzzy when updating PO files automatically. |
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| SlavekB | See |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdesvn/commit/71f35afb7484af1df49b31e7136e3867c3c2bd8f |
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| SlavekB | ...and subsequent commit from Weblate. |
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| SlavekB | Well, fuzzy is caused only for DE :) |
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| Chris__ | Oh, yes, if you mean that.. |
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| Chris__ | That was most likely more or less intended. |
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| SlavekB | In two instances of tdesvn_part.kcfg really exists "Store passwords in KDE..." |
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| Chris__ | The
sed command I used not was fitting for DE. But because I was knowing
that, I have just let it this way. I mean I have done that for other
things in DE too. Because I want to review all that again in next time
and I want to do a lot more with translations. |
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| Chris__ | Moment, let me see the original commit. |
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| SlavekB | If you want to fix tdesvn now, I'll wait with merge to the stable branch :) |
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| Chris__ | I just need to get some overview. I am a bit tired at the moment. Let me some moment. :-) |
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| SlavekB | no problem - now I have other tasks that I have to do... :) |
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| Chris__ | Okay, thanks for report. :-) |
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| Chris__ | So,
I looked at my commit and what I found out: It seems I have never
replaced it in "tdesvn_part.kcfg:127", but in *.pot and *.po files. The
other thing is: tdesvn_part.kcfg:127 and settings/tdesvn_part.kcfg:127
are the same. Because first is just some link to the
settings/tdesvn_part.kcfg:127 file. If I am not completely wrong now, I
just need to fix "tdesvn_part.kcfg:127", the *.pot file for that entry.
But about that fuzzy |
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| Chris__ | marking
in *.po files. I just re-checked German and I know again, why I just
leaved that. Because if you look in most *.po files for that string:
"Store passwords in KDE Wallet instead subversion storage", you will
notice, that this is translated into some question in most translations.
And I was sure, that fuzzy mark was right in that case. I wanted to fix
it for German. But for NL or other translations, other translators have
to do |
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| Chris__ | that. I will fix now what I wrote. :-) |
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| Chris__ | Oh, TGW was updated, right? :-) |
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| Chris__ | This
new translator is doing very good work. Just have seen he also removed
already some "KDE to TDE" fuzzy markings and fixed them in the
translation. Would be nice if he could be integrated within the IRC, to
stay in contact and thank him for the good work. |
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| PoempelFox[m] | Oh my goodness, 14.0.6 has finally reached the official mirrors?! |
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| SlavekB | Sync is still in progress, so some packages may still be missing, but it's in process :) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, it seems like job for you :) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/master/tdecore/tdeapplication.cpp#L1648 |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, seems so. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But interesting. From the issue summary I checked that part already. |
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| SlavekB | It probably hid well :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that seems so. Good you found it! |
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| _Chris_ | Tomorrow
I should have more time again for TDE. Than I will fix that. Our new
Dutch translator seems to be very active. Is ther any way to get in
touch with him, besides inviting him into IRC over email or something
like that? |
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| SlavekB | I do not know whether he is subscribed to mailing lists or not. |
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| _Chris_ | Just had the idea to integrate him more. But it's good to see how TDE is getting translators in such a short time. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. It does. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I just close the issues and so sometimes by click, when writing some comment. Sorry for that. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Might be some very pedantic thing, but seems Michele has maybe wrong
linked to the PR here. I just came about that by accident. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/issues/42 |
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| _Chris_ | I always land to the issue again. |
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| SlavekB | In the case of TDE/tdelibs#42, your note like "This resolves issue # 42" was missing in the commit log. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. But that link links to the issue, but to the PR. Or I am wrong here? |
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| SlavekB | Oh, I see what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | Don't ask me why I have clicked that. Sometimes I just re-read things or look for new comments. |
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| _Chris_ | Just though you can fix that simply, so that's perfect again. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Link on issue fixed to #43 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Perfect. Thank you. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | That references are nice to have, to get what happened again. |
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| SlavekB | Big advantage over bugzilla, where it is not possible to make corrections in existing comments :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, very nice. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I just looked a bit at the code of Tork and it will be not dificult to
add more browser support and remove that updater. For PaleMoon I will
take that dark icon of the inofficial version, if you know that. I
thought that there are some configs for every browser, but it seems
there is nothing. Back in days there was no private mode in browsers, so
that could be added as parameter and so on too, when starting browsers
from |
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| _Chris_ | Tork.
Also there are some applications which could be removed maybe. I also
looked for tdelibs again, related to that "Qt" entry and it seems I have
overseen it by my review completely. So it was good you found that
missing Qt string. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *difficult |
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| _Chris_ | The
updater is anyway in some extra class it seems and otherwise just some
glue for *.ui files and so on. But at the moment Tork fails to build on
my system. I just tested it and it fails. I will investigate that
tomorrow. |
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| SlavekB | I have noticed that for example for help, there are "Qt specific options". |
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| _Chris_ | You mean in the toolbar that "help"? |
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| SlavekB | You can try, for example "kdesktop --help" |
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| SlavekB | In CLI. |
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| SlavekB | In translations it is as "%1 options", where %1 is filled by Qt, TDE,... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I see what you mean. Interesting. Is that globaly defined or are these strings defined by every application? |
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| _Chris_ | And %1 is defined also as translation string? |
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| SlavekB | I suppose that Qt / TDE used to fill %1 is globally in tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
thanks for that info. I will add that to the summary issue than
tomorrow and fix that. I am optimistic, I have some more time tomorrow. |
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| SlavekB | Tomorrow I will be offline for a long time from early morning. |
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| SlavekB | But maybe I will keep the IRC window active so that I can easily view the history when I go back to the machine. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
thanks for that info. So I know about that. If I have some questions, I
will ask you if you are back than or investigate myself. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Xine-lib
was very optimised further, by the way. From that Kaffeine and Amarok
and other components using xine-lib will benefit from that. |
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| _Chris_ | *optimized |
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| SlavekB | It sounds good. I use amarok every day. And for the videos I always prefer kaffeine. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but sad fact is, that both fails to build for me with latest master
branch of xine-lib. Kaffeine is using internal functions of xine-lib, it
seems, which were changed. So that API broke, because it was not meant
to be public used. Amarok builds now, but fails to play. I will open
some issues for that. Kaffeine failed to build already one year ago, but
I was in touch with Thorsten from xine-lib and he fixed that. It was
some |
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| _Chris_ | problem about C++ and xine-lib. But the changes needed will be easy, I am sure. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But that is just since a short time. Before all was good. |
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| a-865 | https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.trinitydesktop.org says wiki is down :-( |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Have just seen your message later. I was awfully tired yesterday. Yes,
that is really a good thing. "UK" was one of the translations I have
always problem with. So this translator could be very important. And the
Dutch one is translating and translating and seems he is very motivated
too. Never expected that Weblate would be such a big gain for TDE. :-) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | Great, Roman also joined to TGW! |
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| * _Chris_ smiles. |
| _Chris_ | I just in the moment wanted to write that to you! |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly my thinking, as you wrote. Funny. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Nice :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I would be strongly for making applications more modular. The Tork
thing, for example. It would be good if not working components of
applications could be deactivated for building, if the functionality is
not working properly. Like that emailer thing. Removing that would be a
too big lose. Also that could be handy for lastfm support in Amarok. It
just doesn't work and is broken, but just removing it would be sad.
Maybe, some |
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| _Chris_ | time, it can be made working again. |
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| _Chris_ | And
yes, I know about the CMake port of Amarok and it has some options. But
lastfm is always included, for example, If I am right. So just working
things would be in releases. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
I just noticed that when I use czech international character in
TDEpowersave then its accepted but broken in the resulting profile |
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| pitriss | Original profile called "výkon" works, i tried to create the same with 2 at the end and name got broken |
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| pitriss | but profile itself works, I can switch them freely.. just the name is messed up |
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| SlavekB | It
looks like ascii() or latin1() is used somewhere in code instead of
utf8() / local8Bit(). Please can you report it as an issue in TGW? |
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| pitriss | Yes of course |
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| SlavekB | Otherwise, I will definitely forget it :) |
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| pitriss | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdepowersave/issues/4 hope its well described |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the description looks good. |
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| pitriss | src/tdepowersave.cpp:214:
scheme_menu = new TQPopupMenu(this, i18n("Set Active Scheme").ascii());
//I tried to quick grep source and this could be it.. (I'm not C/C++
programmer, but it looks like only issue in the gui) |
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| pitriss | Yep in tdepowersave its saved correctly it seems |
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| SlavekB | In configuration file? |
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| SlavekB | In any case, ascii() used in code above seems wrong. |
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| pitriss | grep "Výkon" .trinity/share/config/tdepowersaverc |
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| pitriss | schemes=Performance,Powersave,Presentation,Acoustic,Výkon2 |
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| pitriss | [Výkon2] |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| pitriss | so rcfile is ok.. I'll attach this to the comment |
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| SlavekB | Great. It seems only bug when submenu is filled. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
If you have time. I wanted to do that missing Qt entries in tdelibs.
And you said "dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp" is wrong linked in Weblate. What
was the real source of it again? I don't know you said me already. |
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| SlavekB | tqt3/src/dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I already found that. But the line seems to be wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/src/branch/master/src/dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp#L588 |
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| SlavekB | However, I assumed that these references should now work correctly. |
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| _Chris_ | And
it seems they are already translated there. But in tdelibs, in the
*.pot file the entry is still "Qt". So is it sufficient to rename it
just in the template in tdelibs, or will that cause to introduce some
fuzzy? |
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| _Chris_ | They work, but there is no link. |
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| _Chris_ | And the source is wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | At least the line number. |
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| SlavekB | In POT file I see: |
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| SlavekB | ../dependencies/tqt3/src/dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp:597 |
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| SlavekB | In Weblate I found link: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/dependencies/tqt3/src/dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp#L597 |
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| SlavekB | ...which is on server redirected to: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/src/branch/master/src/dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp#L597 |
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| _Chris_ | Right, that is the right one. Maybe it was not reloaded correctly in my browser, because I had open them still in tabs. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/master/qt-messages.pot#L157 |
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| _Chris_ | That is what I mean. |
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| _Chris_ | The whole template file https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/master/qt-messages.pot
seems to be outdated. Because it still holds links to tolltech, for
example. But they are updated in fact, to link to TDE in the source
files. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
correct. Previously, this file was updated separately, and was then
included in tdelibs.pot. Now the strings are extracted directly from
dependencies/tqt3 and this file is no longer used. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. So I can remove it? :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, this file could be completely deleted => no one is using it. |
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| _Chris_ | Perfect. Because then the entries does not show up in Weblate either. |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, the contents of this file should not be in the Weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
What we want to do with all that translations from the deleted *.pot
file? My sed did hit some of them with my translation commit. But I
don't care, because this entries are never read anyway. |
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| SlavekB | The contents of the deleted pot file should not be reflected in the tde-i18n templates or in the translations. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, it seems this ones are coming from Kommander. |
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| SlavekB | In commit |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/commit/a213c68a77 seems to be missing change in template. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that commit is not ready yet. Seems something not wanted happened. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I will re-do that completely. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Might be right that these entries are not in Weblate, but it seems they
are still in *.po files. And if we care about single entries, we should
care about such a amount of needles entries too. I will open some issue
to track that, okay? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/src/branch/master/tde-i18n-af/messages/tdelibs/tdelibs.po#L278 |
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| SlavekB | But
these strings are not from qt-messages.pot - these strings are
extracted directly from dependencies/tqt3 => this is intended
behaviour :) |
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| _Chris_ | So if I have changed out some Qt for TQt, it should be also TQt in the tdelibs *.po files? |
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| SlavekB | And because they are extracted directly from dependencies/tqt3, this should ensure that the referenced source files are valid. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
when you change it in TQt, after next update of templates in tdelibs,
updated strings from TQt will be extracted into tdelibs.pot |
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| _Chris_ | And
if I change original strings in tdelibs related to dependencies/tqt3,
but have not done that in dependencies/tqt3 itself, that will cause
fuzzy? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/commit/9e3542b4c48651e70061db7a6458f530bfb8da0b -> Sweet. :-) |
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| SlavekB | When
you change string, that is both - in tdelibs and the same in tqt3, but
you change it only in tdelibs but not in tqt3, then after update
tdelibs.pot, there will then be both strings - previous from tqt3 and
updated from tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, is it okay to write the translators some email, to get in
toucher contact with them and show them their work is highly welcome, or
is that too offensive? Because some might be some maintainer of their
languagage. I think that could be groundwork for a real translation
team. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, thanks for information. So I have to review that sed affected changes once again. |
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| SlavekB | You mean some of the previous KDE3 translators? |
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| _Chris_ | No, I mean the Dutch translator, for example. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Just for understanding. Is that the case, the the entry is doubled also
if the translation string will only changed in tdelibs, but NOT in
dependencies/tqt3, or will the tdelibs translation string simply
replaced after new merge? |
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| _Chris_ | *that |
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| SlavekB | In the example you sent to me, you can see that the string is used at several places in tqt3 and at several places in tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I noticed this was a bad example because of that. But there are tqt3 alone entries too. |
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| SlavekB | If you change the string in all these places, then after updating the template there will only be a new string. |
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| SlavekB | If
you change the string only in some places, both will be extracted into
the template - along with the appropriate links to the source files. |
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| SlavekB | If
you subsequently change the remaining occurrences, then the string that
is no longer in the source files disappears from the template. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
what I mean is that with my sed command there were also some
translations affected in tdelibs, which were extracted from tqt3. But
NOT the original string in tdelibs is affected. The translation string
itself. Can I stay that this way? So next import from tqt3 will
overwrite this changed translations in tdelibs than anyway, or will it
cause some trouble? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/pulls/23/files |
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| _Chris_ | tde-i18n-ar/messages/tdelibs/tdelibs.po -> 11062, you can see what I mean. |
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| SlavekB | As I see, original string is already updated to "<h3>About TQt</h3>..." as is in TQt3. |
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| SlavekB | And because source for this string is only ../dependencies/tqt3/src/dialogs/qmessagebox.cpp:597 this string is updated by tqt3. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but I need to look again over that message anyway. But I will do that
in TQt3 itself than. That affected translation strings in this PR were
simply by accident. Question is now, can I let them stay that way? |
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| SlavekB | By the way, in "af" language I see in your commit: |
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| SlavekB | "<h3>Aangaande Qt</h3><p>Hierdie program gebruik TQt weergawe %1.</p><p>Qt is " |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | That is about what I talk all the time. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Two Qt, is unchanged and only one is updated to TQt? |
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| _Chris_ | No, this was only affected by accident. |
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| SlavekB | But source string in TQt already conintain: |
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| SlavekB | <h3>About TQt</h3><p>This program uses TQt version %1.</p><p>TQt is a C++ |
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| _Chris_ | And I want to let it stay that way now, so next tdelibs merge from tqt3 will overwrite it anyway. |
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| SlavekB | All three places are updated to TQt |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, therefore the questions. I have lost overview a bit. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | How can that happen? |
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| SlavekB | Merge
from tqt3 will do update for source string => and source string
already contains: "<h3>About TQt</h3><p>This program
uses TQt version %1.</p><p>TQt is a C++..." |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but my commit affects the translation. |
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| _Chris_ | I would simply don't care about this strings in tdelibs (imported from tqt3) and let them overwrite from next tqt3 import. |
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| _Chris_ | And I will review once again tqt3 later. |
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| _Chris_ | Is that okay? |
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| SlavekB | There will be some change in these source strings in tqt3? |
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| _Chris_ | No. Might be the case we have some understanding problem. I have to laught a bit. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I made this commit, you have seen. |
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| _Chris_ | And by accident I replaced this from tqt3 imported translations, you have already noticed, in tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | My
question is simply: Can I let them stay this way and next merge from
tqt3 will overwrite them anyway? I don't changed the source string, just
the translation. |
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| SlavekB | If there is no change in the source string in tqt3, then the translations in tdelibs remain intact. |
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| _Chris_ | And this changes, like you noticed, was not completely anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. Okay, but they will do no harm anyway. |
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| SlavekB | Here is an important fact: Translations in the "ts" files in TQt3 are in no way pulled into tdelibs.po files. |
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| _Chris_ | But can I add the two missing TQt's in tqt3 directly than for "af", for example and that will be overwriten then in tdelibs? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, not? |
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| SlavekB | This means that the same strings can have different translations in tqt3 in ts files and in tdelibs.po. |
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| _Chris_ | So you have to fix always in both places? |
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| _Chris_ | Ach, now I see! |
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| _Chris_ | My understanding was that this strings (with translation!) will be just pulled all the time regulary from tqt3. |
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| _Chris_ | In this case, I will re-adjust that commit to fix all missing Qt's. Thanks. |
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| SlavekB | These
are translated independently. And if they are to be identical (which
also makes sense) the translator must do the translations the same in
both. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that very important fact was lacking to me. |
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| _Chris_ | "Imported" just give me the impression also with translation. |
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| SlavekB | Merge
translations take place only between the master and stable branch and
apply only to "po" files => "ts" files are not checked. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: So, that should be ready for the mergeland now finaly. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Read you later. :-) |
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| a-865 | have f28 repos been removed? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
it is interesting. It seems that the Esperanto translator used the
option to download the PO file from Weblate, translate "offline" and
then upload the PO file back to Weblate. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that is possible?? |
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| _Chris_ | Wow, this way someone could also use KBabel for offline translating. |
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| _Chris_ | And upload it, right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is possible. |
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| SlavekB | Weblate is just amazing :) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
By the way. I am in progress to build me some DVR system for my IP
cams. Or let's say I am playing to make it better and wanted to install
some DLNA server. |
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| _Chris_ | And when looking for supported video players, I came about that. |
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| _Chris_ | https://sourceforge.net/p/kaffeine/mailman/message/6378871/ |
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| _Chris_ | And best is: The code you can find here. |
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| _Chris_ | https://sourceforge.net/p/kaffeine/mailman/kaffeine-devel/?style=flat&viewmonth=200708 |
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| _Chris_ | Seems it was never included within Kaffeine. I will look for that and play with it some time. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | This
way Kaffeine can have DLNA support. So media streaming, like VLC, just
for this specific server. That is nice if you run some mini DLNA server
on your router for something like IP cams. |
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| _Chris_ | But now I have to work and get get some BIOS password reseted for some Toshiba laptop. :-( |
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| SlavekB | I'm a little confused. |
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| SlavekB | In kaffeine I use my DVB card => to receive terrestrial DVB-T broadcasts. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is DVB. |
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| _Chris_ | I am talking about UPNP (DLNA). |
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| SlavekB | In patch from your URL I see mendioned DVB. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. Let me check. |
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| _Chris_ | https://sourceforge.net/p/kaffeine/mailman/message/6379176/ |
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| _Chris_ | I am sorry. :-) |
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| SlavekB | great, it looks better :) |
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| _Chris_ | Just found by a quick search. Otherwise, no one would ever know abou that. Funny. |
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| _Chris_ | I am optimistic that the code should work. Because seems it was created at the end of the KDE3 time. |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, making a tdeioslave from that could be very nice too, like written in the ML. |
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| _Chris_ | I
want to create some IP cam application for TDE, which included 4 up to
16 kplayer kparts and some control buttons for triggering night vision
and so on. And some selection of recorded videos and so on (DLNA) would
be very handy too. I first wanted to create that with some web
application, but native one seems to be better. |
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| MicheleC | Hi _Chris_, thanks for the good work you are doing :-) |
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| SlavekB | By the way, on Weblate is new translator to German! |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately with mysterious name is P 9. |
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| _Chris_ | Michele, no problem. Just have not soo much time at the moment. If you ever read this. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Wonderful to hear that. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
just see that the *.pot file was more integrated. I not thought about
that. But yes, clear it was integrated within the build system. |
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| SlavekB | Is integrated but in obsolete automake build system. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I reviewed some translations of the new German translator and they seem
to be good. Seems he is working on TQt3 and the examples, which is a
good thing, because that is really a needed area of work. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, translations are already pushed to TQt3 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Little
"typos" I will fix. For example in German "Open..." will be "Öffnen
..." and not "Öffnen...". It's just done like this. For things like that
these translation tips page I wanted to create would be handy. |
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| _Chris_ | Very good. Yes, TQt3 needs some translation work and it's wonderful to see progress here. |
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| SlavekB | It's nice to see how RedHat backports our patches to kdelibs :) |
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| SlavekB | https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-9f2ee52c88 |
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| _Chris_ | Ohhh, very interesting. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Wow, they still support KDE3? |
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| _Chris_ | Why they don't switch to TDE then? |
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| SlavekB | Not full KDE3, only essential libraries. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
What do you think, is that a good starting point for learning Qt3? It's
not so easy to get old Qt3 books these days. But for just 6,00€, that
should be nothing bad. |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.medimops.de/mark-summerfield-c-gui-programmierung-mit-qt-3-programmer-s-choice-gebundene-ausgabe-M03827321867.html?variant=UsedVeryGood |
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| _Chris_ | Seems it was written by the members of the Qt3 team or better trolltech. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, that looks interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | I
always liked good books for learning new things. It's nice to read some
things without some PC about PC things for me. I don't know why. Seems
the best book is not possible to get about Qt3. I have searched already
for it some time ago. I don't know the title exactly. Found this one by
accident. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Have you talked with Michele about the building options for dbus,
udisks and so on? I just wait with building latest version, because I
want to wait until this options works again. |
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| SlavekB | Good reminder, I haven't discussed it with him yet. |
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| _Chris_ | No
problem. Just wanted to know. Should be really no problem to add that
again. Otherwise there will be unneeded calls all the time and some
other problem which came to my mind would be: If you wanted to use
udevil, for example, but has udisks installed, because of the priority,
udevil never can be used, because udisks will be used first. That is no
really a good idea. For example, I just use pmount and therefore I
deactivated any |
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| _Chris_ | other support. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
I just review the applications, which you said are unneeded to add to
Weblate, because they not hold any useful translations and found that
this is not true for at least kcmautostart. In fact it's lacking fully
some German translation, which could be added with Weblate. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Or have I overseen it? |
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| _Chris_ | Same for "kcmldap". It is lacking any other translation than English, it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | "kcmldapcontroller" too. Do you want that I open some summary issue, or can I paste them here? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, just to add "kcmldapmanager". That was it. Would be nice if you could add them, if you have time. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Some question about "gtk-qt-engine". Can it renamed to
"gtk-tqt-engine"? Because then, messages could be renamed also.
Otherwise it would be not senseful to rename to TQt, or not? |
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| SlavekB | I assume that renaming will be associated with the need to change settings. We have to check it before we do so. |
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| _Chris_ | What
do you mean with change settings? Internal this engine is translating
to TQt anyway, or I am wrong here? But if you say it will be renamed at
some point, I can change translations already, so I have that done for
Qt to TQT. |
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| SlavekB | That's if we renamed the library that makes the GTK engine. |
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| SlavekB | If we keep the name of the library and make the change only in strings, then this is not a problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, okay. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
thing I want to do too is to fix the "maintainer" in all applications.
Because the old maintainer will be added to "previous maintainers" than
and some note should be added, that this application is now maintained
alone by the TDE team and in no way associated with any eventually still
existing upstream project, while it can be the case the name is still
the same. |
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| _Chris_ | So there is to see a clear break for the old KDE3 applications for really everyone. |
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| SlavekB | Well,
that's a good idea, I've also looked at it several times... In any
case, it would be useful to have a general email address for the TDE
team. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way. If we rename the engine, we can call them "gtk2-tqt-engine" instead of "gtk-qt-engine". |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that was some question I had to you already, but never asked. That is lacking. Absolutely. |
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| _Chris_ | What I mean about the messages was: |
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| _Chris_ | "<b>Warning:</b>
The Gtk-Qt theme engine is not installed. This means you
will not be able to use your TDE style in GTK2 applications." |
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| _Chris_ | I will rename that in messages already to "Gtk2-TQt theme engine" |
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| _Chris_ | Better GTK2-TQt. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | And something like that should be removed too: |
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| _Chris_ | "Gtk-Qt theme engine homepage" |
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| _Chris_ | Or I will change that simply to trinitydesktop.org. |
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| _Chris_ | For
the GTK2 engine I still see future. The GTK3-TQt engine, I think at
some point, have to be removed, because from what... I know.. theming
engine support was removed completely, finaly in GTK3 in latest
versions. Or I am wrong here? |
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| _Chris_ | So for GTK4 there will be no way to do something like that anyway. It's a sad statement. |
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| _Chris_ | Would be interesting to see if that is working for you with latest GTK3. |
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| SlavekB | I think there is still an engine option in GTK3. |
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| SlavekB | ...but I don't watch too much as they continue to destroy GTK3. |
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| _Chris_ | I really mean they have ripped it since a half year. But you can test with latest GTK3. I just wanted to report. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. I am more than happy to use my PaleMoon GTK2 in TDE. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way. Maybe I can backport a lot of little fixes from the KDE4 KHTML
engine. A year ago or so, when I was not doing things for TDE I just
looked for that for interest and found a good handful of fixes which
could be more or less easy to TDEs KHTML engine. |
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| _Chris_ | What
some people forgot is that it is still very useable to have a own,
little engine integrated within TDE, also if that is outdated. Alone for
rendering widgets within TDE or something like that is is very handy
and is using low ressources, instead of loading half of a chrome for
displaying some window. |
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| SlavekB | Exactly - that's why I use Konqueror wherever possible :) |
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| _Chris_ | For
example, some TDEWelcome application could make use of that, for
displaying a changelog which could be maintained on some page on the
server for that. Some simply PHP script, which loads the changelog by a
get parameter. |
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| _Chris_ | I
already have some idea for this TDEWelcome application and will upload
some mockup at some point, how that could look like. Some little video
could be integrated with some kpart too and some tabs with changelog and
"what's new" and something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | It could be also used for optional registering, like it was done in windows 98 or ME back in times. |
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| SlavekB | As
far as I remember, there was already some mechanism that showed a
changelog from the user guide after upgrade to R14. But maybe I remember
it badly... |
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| _Chris_ | From what I have read, there was always exactly that mechanism wanted, like that user registering too. |
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| _Chris_ | I have read issues or tickets about that. |
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| _Chris_ | But okay, might be right. |
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| _Chris_ | But this user registering could be handy because.. |
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| _Chris_ | It would show us which languages users use mostly, for example. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it would give us a chance to guess how many users we have and what languages they speak :) |
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| _Chris_ | The trinitydesktop.org website could show a counter on which total number of machines TDE is running until now. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | So someone working on translations and so on could give priority. |
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| _Chris_ | Also
that would be handy for applications. At least if that not leads to
"remove this application, because nearly no one uses it". |
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| _Chris_ | Might
be just promotion, but releases could include some video in the
changelog, with kpart played in the TDEWelcome then, which shows new
features. Screenrecorded. So new releases could have better PR. :-) |
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| SlavekB | It would be useful something like the popularity-contest in Debian :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, exactly. Also if I don't know that, but I think I know what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you still use Debian or have you already switched to Devuan, by the way? |
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| _Chris_ | Pitris seems to have good experience with Devuan. |
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| SlavekB | Still on Debian. |
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| _Chris_ | Have
you already tried to make Twinkle work under TDE? Because I am now
fully on VOIP and it would be handy to have it working. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Twinkle for me personally is very important. However, so far I have build only for R13. For R14 several changes are needed... |
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| SlavekB | ...that's why I still hold R13 on some of my machines :) |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, here is the assurance that sooner or later I will complete
the modifications necessary for the R14 and Twinkle will be for the TDE! |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful to hear that. Are this just changes which can be made by the conversion scripts? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_,
twinkle is not just about converting by script. There have been many
direct calls across objects that are a source of problems. While Qt3
tolerated this, TQt R14 makes such calls impossible. Therefore, these
calls need to be corrected. This means reworking calls using signals. |
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| _Chris_ | Ach,
I see. Thanks for explaining that. If that has to do with tqtinterface,
I asked myself already if that can be removed again at some point,
because that Qt4 route has no future, or any other route to use Qt or so
as replacement framework. So that is just some additional layer (I
know, a thin one), which can be removed. It's sad about the work from
tim, but I don't see any point of that. Or I just haven't understood the
reasons |
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| _Chris_ | fully. Would that solves the problems, or why this is not done with TQt anymore? |
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| _Chris_ | *can't be done |
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| SlavekB | This
is not a tqtinterface problem. This is intentionally disabled in TQt
because such direct calls between threads are incorrect. |
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| _Chris_ | Good
point. So that was wrong from start and should be better done properly.
Is Twinkle the only one getting troubles from that change? |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, some problems have been fixed for example in Amarok. |
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| _Chris_ | Amarok
is special anyway. It still has this option to build internal sqlite,
from what I know and is using some own threading lib, instead of TQt
ones. But would be nice if Twinkle would be in working state. Never used
it, but from what I have seen and read it was a very popular and handy
application for VOIP. One application more, which could be used for TDE.
Today VOIP is much more popular than back in times. I just don't know
if |
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| _Chris_ | that still all works from codec side and so on. But if you can still use it in R13, that should be no problem. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I have been using twinkle for many years :) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful.
Some application which I came about also was KDEnlive. Seems the
framework it used was already imported into the TDE git, but itself
never. I have downloaded the last KDE3 version, but it would need to be
ported to the up to date MLT framework. Because maintaining the old
version of it would be no possible for TDE, I think. But MLT seems to be
independent from any toolkit and also supports GTK and so. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
mlt libraries were maintained in TDE git repository, but since they
were never used, they are now removed from the main tree. |
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| SlavekB | ...but git repositories are still available. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
good to know that. But if MLT would be able to build is another
question. Because alone the ffmpeg changes would need work to it, I
think. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I have seen, KDEenlive is just like kaffeine, which uses xine-lib.
It would need to be changed to use new MLT functions and the magic is
done alone by MLT. Which is, in theory, a good thing. So TDE would not
need to think about codecs and all that and would have some wonderful
video editor. |
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| _Chris_ | *it also uses xine-lib by option for video output. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
kcmgtk will be also used by the gtk3-qt engine, or will that bring some
own dialog? I can't review at the moment, but I mean the first case was
true, or I am wrong? |
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| _Chris_ | Because if not.. I would rename that *.desktop file from kcmgtk to "GTK2" too. |
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| _Chris_ | *the name in the *.desktop file. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, kcmgtk is for both gtk2 engine and also gtk3 engine. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, otherwise I would had changed this: "GTK Styles and Fonts" to this: "GTK2 Styles and Fonts" |
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| _Chris_ | But this way it looks right. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I see, you just need to rename the git repo now and maybe the
packages for the *.deb files and so. But you will know better. |
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| SlavekB | Now
I looked at the applications you mentioned. The applications seem to
have their templates properly registered in Weblate, but the translation
into German has not yet begun. See: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/projects/applications/ |
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| SlavekB | For example, you can open kcm-autostart and use button Start new translation: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/projects/applications/kcm-autostart/ |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I searched for it, but not found it. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that was only for German. Maybe that was because of the filter then. |
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| SlavekB | When
you use "applications" from the Dashboard, there are only translations
already started. When you use "Projects" from the header, there are all
registered projects / components. |
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| _Chris_ | No, it was because.. |
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| _Chris_ | Why it is called kcm-autostart and not kcmautostart? |
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| _Chris_ | I just searched for that. |
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| SlavekB | :D clearly - I tried to make the component names more user-friendly. |
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| _Chris_ | But yes, good to know they are all here. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that makes sense. Seems you was successful and I thinked too complicated. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just added every time the name from the git repos to the URL of Weblate and thought that would work. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Just have seen that on the ML about the project leader. |
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| _Chris_ | Such a leader just should change the direction TDE goes, so like visions to port to Qt5 or some dramatic change. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: So you would defenitely have my vote for that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But
maybe it would be just enough to give you some more rights, for
changing the website content, for example and so on, so we could be more
productive. |
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| SlavekB | You can be sure that in this case there will be no unwanted changes :) |
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| _Chris_ | "...he is very careful to make sure that TDE retains its distinctive characteristics and style." Exactly my idea of that. |
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| SlavekB | Hopefully, services will soon migrate from the current primary server to a new server. |
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| _Chris_ | But
I would no rip off all from Tim. I had mutiple projects myself, which I
maintained for a lot of years and I was not leader anymore and can
understand his situation very well. |
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| _Chris_ | He want to protect and keep care of his baby, but he has simply no time and/or energy. |
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| _Chris_ | So
talking about a "leader" sounds more harsh than it is. The problem is
now simply that you need to have access to things you don't have access
to do things for TDE and you should have this rights. If that is
possible, all would be good. The applications page to edit, would be
such a thing. Is tim still looking what changes in TDE, by the way? |
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| SlavekB | I understand that. Yes, we have to make changes so that Tim is not the only one who can take the necessary care. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. Maybe that can be made and I think too, you would be the right person for that. |
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| pitriss | luke-jr: Please could you fix/reconfigure your bouncer please?:) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
"<h3>About Qt</h3><p>This program uses TQt version
%1.</p><p>Qt is a C++ toolkit for multiplatform GUI
& application development.</p><p>Qt provides
single-source portability across MS Windows,
Mac OS X, Linux, and all major commercial Unix
variants." -> In fact, TQt as maintained by TDE is only for
Linux/Unix and maybe MacOS, or I am wrong? From what I know, the Windows
version of Qt3 needed a license |
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| _Chris_ | anyway, right? |
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| SlavekB | Currently, no one is testing building on non-Unix platforms for a long time. |
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| _Chris_ | But
Windows support was enterprise version only and needed a license, or I
am wrong? So from I know, TDE just imported the UNIX version anyway,
which was a seperate version in contrast to the windows one. |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure whether using Qt on Windows requires a license or whether a license is required to use for non-GPL applications. |
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| _Chris_ | I ask because I want to remove and change that sentences. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I will investigate. If you look at the imported repo of TQt3, it looks that it is for Unix/Linux only. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it is the code taken from qt-x11. However in the code there are different ifdefs for Windows, MacOS,... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I see in the readme also: "win32-borland". |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe we can state that other support than specific UNIX variants are untested actually, but supported. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, this is exactly what it is. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
I will prepare two commits than. One for the Qt to TQt change in TQt3
messages than and one further for finding a new paragraph for that part.
Than we have that done too. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I did a bit more investigation and it seems, that for Qt3 under Windows, there was a seperate project. https://sourceforge.net/p/qtwin/news/.
And the ifdefs you speak about: I know that from the qtopia sources,
for OPIE. Trolltech people just hacked this versions togehter. So qtopia
could be build for Windows too, from building options, but it would not
work, because that was a seperate branch and the ifdefs were simply |
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| _Chris_ | preserved. |
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| _Chris_ | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9820633/qt3-on-windows#9822569 |
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| _Chris_ | Funny thing: There seems it was a free version of windows bundled with the book I showed you yesterday about Qt3. |
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| _Chris_ | And
this stackoverflow discussion is from 2012 and that was true for the
latest Qt3 release either. So I don't think TQt3 can be build for
Windows. |
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| _Chris_ | You know what? I will open some issue and write down my findings. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that this is true for the mac version too. You see a extra download for mac. |
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| _Chris_ | https://download.qt.io/archive/qt/3/ |
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| SlavekB | I have no idea if there was any attempt to merge the code because some ifdef for Win and Mac are also in qt-x11. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I know something like that from Samsungs Android kernel sources.. Most
likely they had one major branch and branched from that to support
different targets. You know, what I mean? So for the Samsung example: I
could build for the Galaxy S3, also in the Galaxy S4 sources. But S4
target was broken in this sources. Just some example. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I understand what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | I am working on an issue for that already. :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, maybe I am looking for the binaries. |
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| _Chris_ | It would make maintaining much more easy, if so. And TQt3 could be cleaned up for that Mac and Windows things. |
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| _Chris_ | No,
Mac, for example, is a completely own source package. But they all have
the same readme, talking about win32 targets, linux and mac. |
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| SlavekB | Michele suggested a similar thing. However, I am still restrained about it :) |
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| _Chris_ | I
am against removing support too. But in fact, if it shows that it is
not buildable anyway, I don't know. Otherwise we would need to import
mac and windows sources too. Or merge this two branches into the UNIX
branch we have. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/commit/c80676841c4fce124383a7b0cf3a85af7ea6f2d2 |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
that --qtdir should be changed to --tqtdir too. It is a bit confusing. I
just looked at that, because I wanted to make Kopete work again for me
with Jabber. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there are things like --qtdir and some mentions of Qt. |
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| _Chris_ | In tqca too. |
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| SlavekB | This will be because the changes in this commit were made by bulk replacement. Therefore, there are not solved small details. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, that was what I thought too. |
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| nobody9999 | Hello |
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| nobody9999 | WHO can tell me where the data of a saved session will be stored. |
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| _Chris_ | Hello nobody9999. :-) |
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| nobody9999 | Hi |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I don't know exactly, but found by random this folder: "~/.trinity/share/config/session/". |
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| nobody9999 | Thank you but this do not help |
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| nobody9999 | Any user has the same tiny screen |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
One idea to make TGW a bit more better: The statistic about the regular
contributions on the days, with the green boxes, hope you know, what I
mean. They count all commits and not just the ones really contributed.
So I can re-push one commit again and againm, but it will be merged just
one time. That should count the commit which were merged. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way. qtdir should be tqtdir now in tqca. :-) |
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| SlavekB | You mean heatmap? |
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| * _Chris_ smiles. If you call that this way - Yes. :-) |
| _Chris_ | The "green box"(tm). |
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| SlavekB | this is not a name that I would make up, this is how it is named :) |
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| _Chris_ | You have some bar with "more or less" under it. |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | I know, I know. :-) |
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| SlavekB | https://blog.gitea.io/2019/01/gitea-1.7.0-is-released/ |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| _Chris_ | Logging in into my jabber account is still failing and it must have something to do with TLS. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, good. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Just hope that there are no changes in design or funcionality. Additions are always nice, but not changing the way things work. |
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| SlavekB | You do not turn on switches for SSL and for bypass server information. |
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| _Chris_ | No, the meaning is good now and it is disabled. |
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| _Chris_ | It is crashing after entering my password. |
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| _Chris_ | Contacts show up just some second and than drkonqi pops up. |
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| _Chris_ | It started to do this a year or a half ago. |
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| _Chris_ | Backtrace is not useful, but that is because I ripped all which could be useful for debug with my build flags. |
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| SlavekB | You build with WITH_JINGLE=OFF? |
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| _Chris_ | I will build with debug symbols and so on and look for any useful informations. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | Speex also off. |
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| _Chris_ | Just jabber, crypt, irc. |
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| _Chris_ | I rebuild tqca and tqca-tls today, hoping that helps, but nothing. |
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| _Chris_ | Using SSL works neither. |
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| SlavekB | Note:
Heatmap counts not only individual pushes (note, not the number of
commits, if one push contains multiple commits, this is counted as one
contribution), but also creating issues, comments in issues /
pull-requests, etc. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, maybe that is the reason I have sometimes 30 contributions a day. |
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| _Chris_ | Just was wondering. |
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| _Chris_ | Would be good if translations could be counted too. |
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| _Chris_ | But that might be too complicated. |
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| _Chris_ | I will rebuild kopete once again now, after rebuilding tqca/tqca-tls. |
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| _Chris_ | There was a commit, adding OpenSSL 1.1 support. |
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| _Chris_ | I think starting with that it started to crash. |
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| _Chris_ | I also deleted my kopete config and started fresh. No change. |
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| SlavekB | For translations you can look at statistics in Weblate :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, good point. :-) |
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| SlavekB | You still safely hold first place :) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/stats/ |
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| _Chris_ | Translations
I will do next weeks too again. I have seen you have made progress with
translating tdelibs/tdelibs further. I have to do that too. |
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| * _Chris_ smiles. |
| _Chris_ | I
don't think that's important, but nice to see anyway. For me is more
important TDE looks good for German people and websites reviewing it. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I am trying to gradually check all strings in tdelibs/tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I have to do that too. It's some important bunch of strings. Problem is
that some are very dificult. Colors or letter sizes, or timezones. |
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| _Chris_ | https://sourceforge.net/projects/kvbadvance/ |
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| _Chris_ | I have some folder full of applications I found, which could be useful for importing into TDE, by the way. That is one of them. |
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| _Chris_ | Such applications just are frondends for upstream projects and would not need much maintaining. |
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| _Chris_ | #7 0xb6d7c6cd
in TQObject::connect(TQObject const*, char const*, TQObject const*,
char const*) () from /usr/tqt3/lib/libtqt-mt.so.3 |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, nothing useful. I have to think a bit what could be wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | I
will build Kopete now against OpenSSL 1.0 and look if that works. If
so, it has to do with OpenSSL 1.1 commit or something around. |
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| SlavekB | Michele uses Debian Bullseye, so he definitely uses OpenSSL 1.1 and Kopete for jabber and irc. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
sure that this has to work, if you all use that with the OpenSSL 1.1
commit. Maybe I am a special case again. But it has to be reason. |
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| _Chris_ | *a |
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| _Chris_ | This way I can look if some change from TDE introduced that for me, or me with my setup. |
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| _Chris_ | Same problem with OpenSSL 1.0. |
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| _Chris_ | Is it possible that some server change can introduce something like that? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I can't believe it. |
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| _Chris_ | It works now. |
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| _Chris_ | I
removed autojoining in some channel for my Jabber account. This I have
done with gajim. But before it worked always. Seems it works not
anymore. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
seems it was not the autojoining. More that I had some broken channel
saved in my channel list. So we have to know that. Kopete with XMPP can
have problems because of the account. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, no. Now I wanted to join that MUC and it is crashing. So the problem seems to be triggered when joining that MUC. |
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| _Chris_ | It seems the crash is really triggered by a specific MUC. And that seems to be just since some time. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, that's very strange. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but true. In another MUC I can join. In Gajim it works anyway. But
seems that was introduced with a server update of that server the MUC is
hosted. So it's related to that, most likely. |
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| omegabr | hi |
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| _Chris_ | Hello. :-) |
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| omegabr | um how i use compiz w/trinity |
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| _Chris_ | Good
question. Never used it, but there should be some module in kcontrol
for that. Maybe someone knows exactly. You just have to wait a bit. You
can at least select compiz as your window manager in kcontrol. |
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| _Chris_ | Kcontrol -> Appearance -> Window decoration -> Window manager tab. |
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| omegabr | k i tried and it dont work |
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| omegabr | it says xgl not found |
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| _Chris_ | You get that message wenn starting new, or if you select compiz there in the window? |
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| omegabr | i am using compiz --replace to see what is going on |
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| omegabr | on terminal |
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| omegabr | here is the log |
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| omegabr | Checking
for Xgl: not present.xset q doesn't reveal the location of the log
file. Using fallback /var/log/Xorg.0.logNo whitelisted driver
foundaborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacityno /usr/bin/metacity
found, exiting |
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| _Chris_ | So compiz is not working for you in general, or does it work if you use it in some plain X session? |
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| omegabr | in general |
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| _Chris_ | Is 3D working for you? |
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| _Chris_ | So glxgears or so? |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly XGL should be part of your xorg. |
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| _Chris_ | No, seems I mean something different. What distribution are you using? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
you can look for compiz fusion, or compiz reloaded. There were some
forkes. I am not up to date what is the commonly used. But XGL was some
old implementation compiz used ten years ago, if I am right here. 3D
support is needed by your video driver for that in all cases. |
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| nobody9999 | Hello |
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| nobody9999 | Who can tell me where Trinity stores the session data? |
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| pitriss | hello nobody, thanks for being respectful and patient to wait for our answer :D (sorry all for my sarcasm :D) |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: By the way, do you know the answer than? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, remember, the same question from the same user was here yesterday :) |
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| pitriss | Definitelly in homedir:) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, I know that. I gave a answer, but it seems that was not what was needed. |
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| pitriss | And
there is no problem to look for them.. :) So its like whole my job.. No
need to know anything except to where I can find what I'm looking for:) |
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| pitriss | I was not here recently as i'm on sick leave and I bought Destiny 2 for xbox.. :D |
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| _Chris_ | I am out of that console times for playing since there was the PS1. The best console ever. :-) |
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| pitriss | I agree.. But there are still some nice games.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I believe that. Just had no real time for that. Or better to say, too much distraction to get focused on them. |
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| pitriss | Hello guys. Would be possible to not show session name in Kate's titlebar? |
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| pitriss | I
am using only automatic session so this looks weird and I was really
confused what's that thing. I would love to ignore that while using
automatic session handling.. Or not show that thing when its "without
name" |
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| pitriss | It really makes taskbar bloated to see on kate button "without name: <6 letters of document name>" |
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| pitriss | it must be new in dev version as it wasnt in stable.. and to be honest, i loved old behavior countless times more than this. |
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| pitriss | In
my usecase (and I guess it will be most common usecase as not everyone
needs multiple sessions for coding etc) it gives zero sense..:( |
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| pitriss | It's only confusing. |
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| pitriss | BTW why it doesn't check number of defined sessions? This is really stupid |
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| pitriss | Or please add some "checkbutton" like "do not show session name in titlebar/taskbar" |
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| SlavekB |
pitriss, yes, sessions management is new for R14.1.0. You can make an
issue in TGW? Michele will be glad for feedback on new session
management :) |
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| pitriss | ok will try.. I'm bit sleepy.. But I will definitelly try |
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| SlavekB | I understand - my eyes also don't want to work yet :) |
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| pitriss | But maybe when I'll get some sleep as now it would be messy..:) I am on sick leave.. I just want to get some sleep :D |
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| pitriss | Ok I finally put together bug report for kate's dev session management on gitea: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/62 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Good work! Yes, if I am wright Michele had reworked that in master and wanted to get feedback about that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss:
"Kate’s session management is quite annoying in some setups. My setup
is always to open new session + discard session on exit.", that is most
of the time my workflow too. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that can be made better. |
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| pitriss | I
proposed few tweaks.. If you put some additional comments so Michele
will have more complex view on that.. It helps even more to redo that in
some saner way |
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| _Chris_ | I just have overfly it, to be honest. But maybe in the evening I will read it fully and maybe comment to that too. :-) |
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| pitriss | Great.. |
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| vita_cell | guys is here some documentation for theming Qt3? |
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| vita_cell | no one? |
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| _Chris_ | Hello. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, you mean for creating themes for TQt3? |
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| _Chris_ | Or Qt3. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I have read from a quick search, that was topic back in KDE3 times
too. Seems back then real documentation was lacking. At least in 2003.
People were suggested to look and start with another theme and learn
from it. |
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| _Chris_ | But,
yes. That is a very valid point. Maybe the archived KDE3 wiki should be
searched for that, so if there is something, it can be imported into
the TDE wiki. Maybe someone different can help you more. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can find something here, if you look in the archives with the search: https://userbase.kde.org/. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ yes, I mean, is here some documentation/guide for Qt3 theming? |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| pitriss | That
thing with QT3 theming.. you mean things like look of buttons etc or
just colors? As it is not as simply as todays CSS for anything.. |
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| vita_cell | pitriss I know about gtk2 theming, but no idea what to do, and how does it work (qt3) |
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| pitriss | It is complicated.. I tried to figure it out back in the days but I gave up after week of digging around for more informations |
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| vita_cell | yeas, controls, buttons, widgets, window backround...like gtk controls wirdgets |
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| pitriss | I guess best will be to check sources here in tde git |
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| vita_cell | here is no fckng guide/docs for qt3, even for qt4 or qt5, not so much docs about them |
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| vita_cell | pitriss I am already downloaded every theme from trinity-look with alive links |
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| vita_cell | will see how are these source files, and study how does it work |
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| vita_cell | I have one more question, I searched for a music player with qt3 support, but looks like only Amarok is native |
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| vita_cell | what I want is player with WinAmp skin support, but QMMP and Audacious supports qt4, and not qt3 |
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| pitriss | There is more players I guess.. well.. depends what you expect from it |
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| pitriss | But
for me, I prefer mpd.. so I can have just any frontend I want.. from
keyboard bindings only to any graphical or web based one.. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: You could use JuK. |
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| SlavekB | Amarok, Juk, Noatun,... |
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| vita_cell | at least I want find more music players with native qt3 support (not q4 or gtk) |
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| _Chris_ | You mean GTK3 or GTK in general? Because I still have Audacious GTK2 port here running and they still support that. |
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| pitriss | But yeah I would love to have qmpdclient in native QT3 |
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| vita_cell | so I should search for Juk, Noatun |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe better is to start to test juk. |
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| vita_cell | I MEAN, music players with qt3 support, for trinity |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I see. So yes. Maybe juk will be for you. |
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| vita_cell | <_Chris_> no I don't want gtk or qt4, or qt5 |
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| vita_cell | do you guys like gtk3? (I hate it so much) |
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| vita_cell | Audacious dropped support for Gtk3 |
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| pitriss | to be honest i hate anything above qt4 |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: I have GTK3 too and here are many who don't like it either. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *hate |
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| pitriss | qt4 was still not so resource hungry and could look nice |
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| pitriss | the rest is garbage.. |
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| _Chris_ | For
most applications I still rely on, using GTK, I prefer the GTK2 ports.
Like for PaleMoon, Audacious and so on. If something switches hardly to
GTK3, that is for me a reason to ditch the application. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
Qt4 I avoided too, but it was better than Qt5 to integrate and so on.
Qt5 just feels mobile centric. But that's a personal opinion. |
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| vita_cell | pitriss yeah qt4 or qt5 aren't GNOME3, but still like KDE3.5 and Qt3 |
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| pitriss | qt5 is anything but light |
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| pitriss | I don't like it.. |
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| pitriss | Worst for me is that there are no alternative web rendering cores for konqueror |
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| vita_cell | Right
now I am using XFCE, and I remove every gtk3 component, and installing
gtk2 older version. Only gtk3 thing I have is pulseaudio plugin |
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| vita_cell | I also use Palemoon, and it looks better |
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| vita_cell | what
surprises me is no one gives a shit about backward compatibility,
people just throw their whole work, and begin from scratch, and this
cycle repeats |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Exactly. TDE team is not doing something like that. So people like it for that. |
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| _Chris_ | Slowly and controlled evolution than a breaking revolution. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ yeah! this is the way |
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| _Chris_ | Therefore
TDE is also not forcing people to use systemd or other things, but
instead of this offers different backends, so everyone get happy. |
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| vita_cell | I am anti-systemd, so I am using Slackware |
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| _Chris_ | I don't need a networkmanager, for example. |
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| vita_cell | what is the best network manager (with gui if possible) for trinity? |
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| _Chris_ | Me
too, but using Gentoo. And because I compile all myself Qt5 is a big no
go too. It's very fat and that just for one or two applications. |
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| _Chris_ | Trinity
actually supports the "NetworkManager", from redhat, you know? That one
that all use. There is a GUI for that in Trinity. But more backends
could be added every time, if someone want's to work on that. |
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| pitriss | As
being on desktop computer no network manager is the best one.. But that
is not answer to that question.. I just can't tell.. On my prehistoric
laptou I have wicd but not sure what toolkit it uses.. |
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| pitriss | just off topic: https://gitlab.com/gxworks/Dib2Qm I wish this could be added to Kopete.. This idea looks really cool |
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| vita_cell | pitriss every thing not centralized is great |
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| pitriss | yeah.
I agree.. Unfortunatelly this have not much chance to succeed in the
world of the facebook and google.. Who ruined plenty of instant
messaging services. |
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| pitriss | success* |
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| vita_cell | yeah, sad truth |
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| pitriss | Only
thing outside facebook and such is viber who stopped to provide linux
client and there is no web client.. Anyway. I don't like to use phone
number as "account identifier" |
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| pitriss | It is really silly idea to use phone number to thing like that. |
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| vita_cell | I agree |
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| * Chris_ too. :-) |
| Chris_ | Wicd
is a networkmanager backend on it's own, if I am not completely wrong.
So in theory it could be added to be supported in TDE too. |
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| pitriss | Chris__: yes it is.. |
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| pitriss | I completelly hate that NM thing.. it behaves completely randomly, generate errors for no reason.. wicd just works |
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| pitriss | in general if it would have support here, through unified frontend it could be awesome.. |
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| Chris__ | Online
and offline detection of some applications like KMail can also use
different network backends. So Wicd could be used for that too. In my
case, I would prefer a Gentoo netifrc backend. -> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Netifrc :-) |
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| mirda | Hey, I use wicd too :) I have configured my wifi connections and I don't have to care to set wifi or wired lan |
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| Chris__ | So,
a general note: Wicd support would be a thing which much people would
be like to see in some TDE release.At least it was in mind to
potentially support that and should be still written in the issue about
that. |
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| vita_cell | Chris__
pitriss what you think about PulseAudio, worth it to stay only with
ALSA? sometimes I use bluetooth headphones, and never tryed Alsa-Bluez
fork |
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| pitriss | PA is No go for me. |
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| pitriss | completelly unnecessary layer that only adds latency and provide just nothing for that latency tax |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell:
I avoid PA, but someone here pointed out, that PA can in fact have it's
use case. In my case that is not true. Just try that Alsa-Bluez fork,
maybe it works for you. :-) |
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| pitriss | There is way more advanced layers for sound processing.. JACK.. new OSS |
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| Chris__ | Yes,
new OSS seems to produce way superior sound quality under Linux for
some people, but you need to get it work on your own. But TDE still
supports OSS, because it's aims to support also BSD. |
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| pitriss | PA is just sh**y workaround to even sh**tier HW onboard *cough cough* sound cards.. |
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| Chris__ | I
also like to use arts, because my sound card can hardware mixing, but
seems to have a bug if too much sources of sounds are played, so I route
some sources over arts. :-) |
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| pitriss | Bunch of wires with poor sw on top called driver |
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| Chris__ | Yes, but pitriss, there is another layer too. ALSAs.. how it is called these days? DMIX. |
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| pitriss | Yesss |
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| pitriss | Never needed that with my el cheapo SB Live! |
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| Chris__ | OSS is not having something like that. And at that point.. Arts can be really a nice thing. |
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| pitriss | for sure.. |
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| vita_cell | Why they wasted time programming PulseAudio indead of new ALSA substitute? |
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| Chris__ | I still use a SB live! too. And here I am using a XFI. :-) |
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| pitriss | Because they are not skilled enough to produce drivers |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: Don't ask these questions. If they had done this, we would be forced to use PA today. |
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| pitriss | so they kept that as driver part, added latency for no gain.. as most of apps have sw volume control |
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| vita_cell | SB Live! still have some of them, but I just use usb sound card, less headaches |
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| vita_cell | also have XFI-ExtremeGamer |
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| pitriss | SB live have HW mixing.. no dmix, no hassle.. |
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| Chris__ | Yes, SW sound control seems to be a bad way, but I had never any problems with it. |
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| pitriss | sometimes kernel module parameter is need to specify |
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| Chris__ | I use a XFI Extreme Music here. :-) |
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| pitriss | Chris__: Question is.. Is PA SW volume control any better?;) |
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| pitriss | as they moved it from one sw to another.. |
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| Chris__ | With
64MB of integrated RAM, is seems not be be used under Linux. Next one
will be some with a VIA Venyl chipset, or maybe a Auentech, but seems
Asus cards are good these days too. But I still use PCI cards, so I need
to find some PCI sound card. |
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| Chris__ | pitriss: Yes, you are right. Therefore I don't see problems to support SW volume change in applications. I don't need PA. |
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| Chris__ | Most
of the time you will not need to hear sound of the music and sound of a
movie to the same time. Most of the time only notification sounds have
to be mixed with some music which is played. |
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| Chris__ | And you can simply change volume level of notification sounds and you are done. But yes, there are different use cases. |
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| pitriss | Chris__: I bought https://www.aq.cz/produkt/aq56-aq-m-24-multimedia (sorry I didn't found where to switch this site to DE/EN) and sound quality is significantly better even with SB live! |
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| pitriss | Just well made all purpose speakers.. According to many articless across web they are pretty impressive for such low price |
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| pitriss | Originally
I planned to buy Mackie CR5 studio monitors.. but I changed my mind as
studio monitors could suck while watching some movie on my PC |
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| Chris__ | Oh, very interesting, pitriss. I will look at that later. :-) |
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| pitriss | AQ is czech company who apparenlty knows something about audio.. I can't complain yet |
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| tobs | After
a system update, I can't start TDE anymore, getting "Could not read
network connection list. Please check that the 'dcopserver' program is
running". Indeed it is not and if I try to start it (as my usual user,
right?) it tells me that "ICE Connection rejected! None of the
authentication protocols specified are supported". |
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| tobs | (I have Michael Manley's R14.0.5 installed on Arch Linux) |
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| tobs | Does anyone have an idea what I could try? |
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| denk | try to debug connections, increase verbose level of logs and inspect it try to trace processes, check permissions to /tmp/.ICE* |
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| denk | or where exacly your system stores unix-sockets of the X-server |
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| tobs | denk: yay, success! Apparently iceauth creates .ICEauthority in /run/user now while dcopserver uses $HOME/.ICEauthority. |
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| tobs | it seems like I'm fully functional again. Thanks |
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| denk | not at all |
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| omegabr | hi |
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| omegabr | how to use e16 and trinity? |
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| omegabr | anyone? |
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| omegabr | hi |
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| pitriss | ... :/ |
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| omegabr | hi |
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| pitriss | guys is there way how to remove permanently tdehwdevicetray ?? |
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| pitriss | that
thing makes me mad everytime I do apt-get upgrade. It literally turns
on my "ragemode".. I'm considering to go back to stable because of that
nonsense. this thing should be separate package I can uninstall for
good:( |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, right. That was part of the KControl. |
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| pitriss | This
thing can't do anything with my system.. it only f**ks with my sanity..
In czech there is only terms that fits to this thing.. its "Kurvítko" |
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| pitriss | fun fact is that in "eject" section are listed only HDD partitions.. not my DVD burner drive.. |
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| pitriss | ..ok set chmod -x for that thing for last time.. |
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| pitriss | As
setting scripts into cron to delete this thing are even little bit
worse than this.. :( Sysadmin never should do such nasty things.. those
temporary fixes who stay temporary for ten years.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that needs more love. Therefore it is still tested. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Show what Michele did for you. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/commit/?id=9599fe54 |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/62 |
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| pitriss | :) |
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| pitriss | I know.. I'm checking this.. thats why i got mad again because of that tray thingy.. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes. I see. I haven't checked that issue since some days. |
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| pitriss | It is nice to have option to hide session name.. I can use kate again as I'm used to |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| pitriss | Now I'm using kate again.. doing script to be run from cron and doing diff of my streamed playlist |
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| pitriss | I'm
planning to do some "overview" website so it is at one place all.. Full
playlist, changelog and some basic info like current playing song+next
song.. Something like that.. |
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| pitriss | If
there will be some other mpd enthusiast like I am, I have no problem to
share my scripts.. Anyway, there was no reason to put it info my
instance of gitea yet.. Simple scripts mostly doing one task. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, sounds like a good idea. :-) |
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| pitriss | And as I am using lighttpd there is no reason for me to be bothered with PHP anymore as PHP is also using fcgi there |
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| pitriss | so ruby seems to be nice option :D |
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| MicheleC | Hi
pitriss. What is the problem with tdehwdevicetray? I mean, it needs
some more work (there is currently a bug open about it always starting
up - it is in the R14.1.0 todo list too), but it works reasonably well
here. No crashes, does its job (most of the time). |
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| pitriss | It is constantly cluttering my tray.. it drives me crazy |
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| pitriss | It can't be switched off.. it pops out everytime I log in..:/ |
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| pitriss | And apt is not helpfull too as it restores correct chmod every update |
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| MicheleC | it pops out? what do you mean exactly? the notification rectangles? |
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| pitriss | I just hate unnecessary icons in systray as I have there everything I need/use at daily basis.. eg even webbrowsers |
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| pitriss | so it makes some icons there.. |
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| MicheleC | ah, you mean you don't want the extra icon in the systray, right? just trying to understand the problem :-) |
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| pitriss | and every more icon makes it bigger.. so.. yes.. It drives me crazy :D |
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| pitriss | yes.. I don't want it to start to be exact |
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| pitriss | It does not have any value for me.. |
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| MicheleC | tdehwdevicetray
makes only one icon here. Anyhow go to /opt/trinity/share/autostart and
trying removing tdehwdevicetray-autostart.desktop |
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| MicheleC | that is the file starting tdehwdevicetray at the beginning |
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| pitriss | I can try.. but i guess apt will restore that file every apt-get upgrade |
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| pitriss | because I just did chmod -x to that so it wont start too - till another system upgrade |
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| MicheleC | probably
yes, every time there is an update in tdebase it will be restored. You
can create a shutdown script that deletes the file on logout, so even if
you upgrade, at the next boot the file will not be there |
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| MicheleC | jsut for info, you will lose the notification popup when a drive is mounted/unmounted |
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| pitriss | IMO this should be moved outside of tdebase into something like tdebase-experimental or something |
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| pitriss | As uninstalling of this would be just solution for me. |
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| MicheleC | no, we just need to fix the choice to let a user to disable autostart, which currently does not work correctly (see bug 2877) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2877 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , cannot stop k hardware monitor from autostarting |
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| pitriss | Ahh.. okay.. |
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| pitriss | Anyway.. it can't do anything on my system |
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| MicheleC | no problem, understood. |
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| MicheleC | tdehwdevicetray is actually quite good. It took me a while to appreaciate it though :-) |
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| MicheleC | btw,
with the current version, your DVD should be shown in the Eject menu
only if the DVD is mounted (which is wrong and needs fixing... see bug
2947, this one too in R14.1.0. todo list) |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2947 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdehwdevicemanager not functioning properly with cdrom |
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| MicheleC | pitriss: just for info, chytrex in TGW is you? |
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| pitriss | Yeah its me. |
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| MicheleC | ah ok, good to know :-) |
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| pitriss | I have different nick on freenode because legacy reasons. Plenty people from Minetest community knows me like Pitriss |
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| pitriss | s/like/as/ |
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| MicheleC | ah
ok. if you see other things in R!4.1.0-dev that you think are not
ok/wrong, please keep reporting them in TGW. We are trying to close up
those remaining bugs in our R14.1.0 todo list, so sooner or later
R14.1.0 will become a reality. Not many bugs left there, although some
are big ones and will required quite some time. |
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| pitriss | I will do my best to try to report that.. I just hate that thing as It have no sense for me.. I have my fstab set up properly.. |
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| MicheleC | That is why the testing of you, _Chris_, myself and whoever else uses R14.1.0-dev is very important :-D |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| pitriss | And i mount USB sticks/DVD drives with commands.. |
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| pitriss | As
keystroke to get my yaquake opened and type mount /dev/sr0 is faster
than put hand on trackball, navigate to some pop up window and click
ok.. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| MicheleC | I will see if I can take a look at bug 2877 this week, since in any case it is in R14.1.0 todo list |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2877 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , cannot stop k hardware monitor from autostarting |
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| MicheleC | any of you using luks disk, by chance? |
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| pitriss | Few guys told me that I have DE just to see some colors around my yakuake LOL |
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| MicheleC | LOL |
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| pitriss | Nope.. I don't use encryption so no LUKS here |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC:
No, sorry. I wanted to play with that and have noticed your massive
investment to make it running within TDE, but haven't played with luks
in general until now. |
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| pitriss | On desktop it is not so hot topic.. |
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| MicheleC | _Chris_: no problem, still WIP although with the current status of the PRs I can actually use LUKS disks in TDE easily now :-D |
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| pitriss | And my laptop is like 13 years old crap I got as trash from my sister... :D Good for IM though.. |
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| MicheleC | but more work required, still many points to clear to have full LUKS support |
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| MicheleC | pitriss,
since you recently switch to R14.1.0-dev branch, what is your
impression so far compared to R14.0.x? What is better and what worse?
just to have some more feedback from users |
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| pitriss | I
have not installed full Trinity.. I always install minimal system, then
add alsa+xorg.. in the same way I added trinity.. I tried to avoid as
many global metapackages as I could.. So my subset of apps installed is
rather small.. I definitelly love integrating TDE version of qualculate
as its best calculator I had chance to work with |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: Wonderful to hear that! :-) |
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| MicheleC | if
you need to do multiline replacement, tdefilereplace has also been
quite improved in R14.1.0-dev. ack and grep only do single line
replacement AFAICT |
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| pitriss | sed -i + find works for me.. eh again my bash obsession.. |
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| MicheleC | ok, no worries. |
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| pitriss | I'm used to write tiny one-purpose scripts instead of those apps:) |
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| pitriss | BTW kate know that too without external app AFAIR |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| pitriss | just select file mask, what replace by what... and click button |
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| pitriss | Not
sure if it use the same core.. but.. for me it means no need to learn
additional app as it is within interface im well familiar with |
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| MicheleC | kate replace can't do multiline I think. I mean, replacing end-of-line character. |
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| MicheleC | but multiline replacement is not very common |
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| pitriss | mmm not sure.. never needed this |
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| pitriss | And for sure kate know join selected lines into one.. so this could be considered as multiline edit.. |
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| pitriss | Yes you are right.. its not something to use on daily basis.. I didn't had such need for couple years |
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| MicheleC | well, yes and no, although it is useful. But as said, multiline replacement is not often required, only some times. |
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| MicheleC | In find in files window you can also filter out the errors now, so you don't have that annoying dialog popping out all the times |
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| pitriss | But
thing I would really love would be some alternative web rendering cores
for konqueror and possibly scripting support.. As there Is almost no
web browser supporting alsa.. In devuan is still firefox ESR which still
could do that.. and I gues chrtomium is the same.. But its only matter
of time |
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| MicheleC | yeah,
improving konqueror web engine would be great, but we don't have
resources for that, I am afraid. The best will be to add proper pulse
audio integration, so we can use other maintained browsers |
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| MicheleC | AFAIK, pulse audio should be useful already, but not sure if it is fully ok in TDE |
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| pitriss | You mean some wrapper for arts that it would be able to catch PA and forwart it to alsa? |
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| pitriss | Only
2 things I am sure about are That person who invented it is werdo, and
that I will never use that crappy designed software:) |
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| pitriss | forward* |
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| MicheleC | I
believe PA already provide an alsa wrapper, but I have never used it
yet. I read somewhere of people using debian with PA and TDE
successfully though |
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| pitriss | there
is something like aoss.. but catching pulse audio so I don't need to
have PA installed but it is just hack which doesn't work in half of
cases |
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| MicheleC | I
agree that alsa was good enough already, there was no need for a new
audio system. but as usual, these days people like to reinvent the wheel
all the time, the problem is that it takes them ages to simply make a
round wheel that jsut does the same the old proven wheel has been doing
for many years already |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| pitriss | MicheleC: there is JACK if i would wish some outstanding layer above alsa.. |
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| MicheleC | I
think PA will become a necessity sooner or later, it is just a matter
of time. modern apps already need it to play audio correctly |
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| MicheleC | @JACK: I will take a look, I heard it before |
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| pitriss | Jack provided the same functionality years before PA. |
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| pitriss | not sure about network streaming but.. meh.. this is really thin usecase |
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| MicheleC | the
problem is not functionality, but adoption from the community. If all
major browsers go for PA for example, then PA will become the new de
facto way to go.... |
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| pitriss | Maybe.. then I will just find another way how to not use it.. |
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| pitriss | Or return to windows as if they don't allow me to choose, why i should care about linux |
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| pitriss | I'm using computer for some scripting, web and instant messaging.. |
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| pitriss | I don't need much.. I use that what is comfy for me. |
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| pitriss | When it stops being comfy, I'm not affraid to find an alternative. |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| pitriss | These
tries to unify everything across distributions are exactly the reason
what blocks spreading linux on desktop. As possibility to choose is just
only advantage of using linux.. i mean for power user.. |
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| MicheleC | yes.
well, it's a never ending discussion, since Linux has a wide range of
users going from newbie to very advanced ones.... so I guess there will
never be a solution that fits all users |
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| MicheleC | like
for example the latest KDE or Gnome. Some people love them, some people
looth them. It is a matter of what people needs, what they like and
what they want :-) |
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| pitriss | you just told that.. its about choice.. |
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| MicheleC | I
use Window all the time due to work related reasons, TDE for me is just
a programming hobby mainly. But still I enjoy it a lot :-D |
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| pitriss | They are slowly removing those possibilities |
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| MicheleC | @yes, exactly. it is about choice |
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| pitriss | As I said.. I would love when arts would be capable of handling PA apps so it would just proxy sounds to alsa from PA only apps |
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| MicheleC | perhaps it is doable, not sure. |
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| pitriss | Just basic support.. No need those PA fancy per app volume controls.. |
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| pitriss | these features are for people who want PA.. |
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| pitriss | I don't.. I like my plain system as it "just works" |
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| MicheleC | (y) me too. basic debian + tde |
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| pitriss | In my case devuan.. as systemd is opposite of "just works" :D |
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| pitriss | Unfortunatelly
I needed to deal with systemd in previous job.. and I've seen so many
tragic failures, outages and other crap caoused by this thing |
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| MicheleC | well,
that could be another long discussion. Personally I totally ignored all
the fuss about systemd or non-systemd on purpose. At some point debian
moved to systemd and beside some learnig to do, it has be working very
well for my needs. I am not saying it is good or bad, just that it works
for me. And I spared useless infinite discussions on that :-) |
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| MicheleC | again, it is the old reinventing the wheel thing.... |
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| MicheleC | like wayland :-( |
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| pitriss | I started to hate it when machine 500km far refused to start because of some disk that was not used for system. |
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| pitriss | ..funny situation to call dozen of people around and ask who can go there to do local hands... |
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| MicheleC | ah ah, I feel your pain already ;-) |
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| pitriss | So
I decides that I don't want that in my home system.. Old way worked for
30 years.. will work next 30 years so no need to change that |
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| MicheleC | (y) +100, not +1 |
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| pitriss | Unfortunatelly I have it on my bananaPi board which is used as Plex multimedia server:) |
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| MicheleC | as long as it works, fine ;-) |
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| MicheleC | time to sleep for me, anyway. |
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| MicheleC | talk to you another time |
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| pitriss | yeah.. I hope there will pop more powerfull SBC soon so I will replace it completely.. |
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| pitriss | Ok good night |
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| MicheleC | thanks |
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| denk | well, first PR for our platform has created, please check it |
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| MicheleC | @pitriss:
bug 2877 is not fixed. after you get the new tdebase packages from PTB,
you should be able to disable tdehwdevicetray from starting |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2877 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, cannot stop k hardware monitor from autostarting |
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| MicheleC | *is now fixed |
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| SlavekB | ...rebuild tdebase for PTB will start shortly... :) |
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| pitriss | thank you all.. |
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| MicheleC | just exit tdehwdevicetray and choose "don't start" when the new package is installed and running |
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| SlavekB | pitriss, update for tdebase is right now uploaded to mirror :) |
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| pitriss | ...upgraded.. we will see.. |
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| denk | SlavekB: ping, how do you merge commits from a new PR? |
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| SlavekB | For merge I have a button in TGW. Or do you mean how to perform squash individual commit into one commit? |
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| denk | I mean what should I do you apply the changes? |
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| denk | maybe I did something wrong there, that was first try |
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| SlavekB | You did your first PR right. |
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| denk | I will reply your email, one moment... |
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| SlavekB | As you can see in my comment, I am interested in the way / use of BASEDIR :) |
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| SlavekB | Note: Instead of replying directly to the mail, you should write a comment to TGW. |
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| denk | huh... I've sent it |
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| SlavekB | Does not matter. Please also write it into the TGW comment so that others also know this information :) |
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| denk | yeah, one moment... |
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| denk | SlavekB: https://paste.dilos.org/?8cd3f3ebbfe13d10#DoNKqyupAkquj03RngDsfS9arKljitUWTgHnJ5VOYwE= an example of BEs |
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| SlavekB | Nice, thank you for the explanation. |
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| denk | btw, penguins ask us to port be to linux |
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| SlavekB | Denk, I assume that PRs are intended for both master and r14.0.x branch? |
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| denk | yep |
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| SlavekB | Oops,
I have now noticed one formal shortcoming. You didn't use the option
"-s" with commit => there is no Signed-off-by line to declare your
consent to DCO. |
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| denk | errr... an example please |
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| SlavekB | For example - commit with declaration of consent with DCO: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/969a048cd6ee684dce8f71c79cf529c1b349e482 |
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| SlavekB | For DCO see: |
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| SlavekB | https://developercertificate.org/ |
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| denk | thanks, I understood it |
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| SlavekB | Note: You can use "git rebase master..HEAD -s" and then push with "git push -f origin HEAD" |
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| SlavekB | Note: correct way to sign commits for DCO: |
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| SlavekB | git rebase --exec 'git commit --amend --no-edit -s' master |
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| SlavekB | I'll be back in a few hours... |
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| denk | sorry, I can't generate gpg key for it... |
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| SlavekB | gpg is not needed :) |
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| SlavekB | Here is option '-s' for "Signed-off-by: ..." and option "-S" to append GPG signature. |
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| denk | is it possible to use a ssh key? we use it on bitbuket for our tree |
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| SlavekB | I'm afraid GIT expects a GPG key. |
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| denk | ok, them maybe tomorrow |
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| SlavekB | But as I said - for DCO approval it is sufficient to use "-s" (small S) to generate a "Signed-off-by" singature. |
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| denk | *then |
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| SlavekB | Using a GPG signature (option -S => large S) is good, but not necessary. |
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| SlavekB | For example: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/027c45db6f |
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| SlavekB | Denk, please, will you try the DCO signature to start on TQt3? |
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| denk | SlavekB: sorry for the delay, I was busy last two days, I hope I did it correctly now |
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| SlavekB | Ok, no hurry, take your time. |
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| denk | let me know if it's still incorrect somewhere |
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| SlavekB | Signed-off is added well, but there is unnecessary merge commit. |
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| SlavekB | You can use: "git rebase master" to avoid this merge commit and then "git push -f originHEAD" to force rebase your branch. |
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| SlavekB | Ach, after rebase, may be necessary to use "git commit -s --amend" to add your Signed-off signature again. |
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| denk | huh, I'm not a guru of git |
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| denk | I think I broke the local repo :) |
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| SlavekB | If you are on your branch, try the "git rebase master" and then check the status with the "git log". |
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| denk | I've done "git rabase master", git log shows that I can do git pull |
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| SlavekB | And you see one commit for your change? |
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| denk | two commits, I think |
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| denk | or 3 commits :) |
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| SlavekB | It would seem that you still have a merge commit. |
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| denk | is it possible to revert and do it once again? |
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| denk | or you can fix it in the main repo and I commit dilos package for tqt3 |
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| denk | really, I don't know how to fix it in the local repo except doing a new clone |
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| denk | as we say "the first pancake is to gnomes" :) |
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| SlavekB | Ok, I pushed into your branch commit to be one :) |
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| SlavekB | You can now try: "git pull --rebase" in your local repository. |
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| SlavekB | After that you can see in "git log" one commit for your change :) |
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| denk | git pull --rebase is working... |
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| denk | huh, the repo is boken anyway |
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| SlavekB | on tde-packaging repository you can try: |
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| SlavekB | git rebase --exec 'git commit --amend --no-edit -s' master |
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| SlavekB | never mind - we will return to it later - now I have to devote time to other tasks. |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?003654faa3bc9970#1PgMvQZdg/k0yjs+PWnE3pU7/f//BbdCX9lyl1kfbjs= line 20 |
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| denk | ok, thanks |
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| SlavekB | in this log is your dilos-mkspecs branch or master? |
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| denk | master |
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| SlavekB | ok, you can try: git reset origin/master |
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| denk | fixed, thanks |
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| SlavekB | Denk, PR for TQt3 merged. |
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| denk | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | Denk: Good to see some new platforms are added to TQt3 and TDE. :-) |
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| denk | _Chris_: I've used it under OI |
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| denk | unfortunately (or fortunately for me), OI did not want to integrate it :) |
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| denk | btw, I compiled that all for sparc v9, but I did not test it |
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| SlavekB | Some time ago I tried compiling Debian packages for sparc64 using qemu-user, but unfortunately this is not working :) |
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| denk | we have a real hardware to do it |
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| denk | bld101% uname -a |
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| denk | SunOS bld101 5.11 2.0.2.27 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V490 |
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| SlavekB | Yes, with real hardware this makes it better :) |
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| denk | soon you will know the result :) |
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| _Chris_ | denk:
Very good work. I look forward that TDE is much more supported under
other platforms than Linux. It's always good to have other choices, if
someday the Linux world could be something some people want to switch
away from, but still using TDE at that new platform. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And
yes, most likely OI devs just don't want tot integrate it because it is
using TQt3. That is some standpoint some distributions have, sadly. |
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| denk | _Chris_: we can run some linux applications in a LX-zone, we have asked about swithing from linux to illumos (read dilos) |
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| denk | an example: https://paste.dilos.org/?4f44c186cf4e67d8#a3BwW7+kNhfkcjmmQXWmsA1fIIow6Z311Pu/CXDA6pg= |
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| pitriss | denk:
Hello, that dilos looks interesting.. I never used openindiana but I am
quite used to servers with Solaris 5.11.. Is dilos close to it? Eg like
having SMF and other cool stuff from solaris? |
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| pitriss | If
yes, It seems like nice replacement when linux will go "too much wild"
for my taste.. Eg that pulse audio plague iritate me already quite a
lot.. |
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| denk | pitriss: dilos is an opensource platform, like illumos |
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| pitriss | Ok.. I will look at it later:) |
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| denk | dilos is a server platform at this moment and I'd like to do a desktop :) |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: Exactly my thinking. So it is very good, if TDE is prepared, if some day the Linux world will be dark. |
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| pitriss | denk:
yeah some solaris-like OS for the desktop could be nice.. with apt?
yesssss even better.. There is not much better packaging systems |
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| _Chris_ | denk: Is dilos using OSS4 then? |
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| denk | and oss4 too |
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| denk | native audio is sun audio framework |
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| denk | that is why I asked you to not remove solaris specific code from the source tree |
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| denk | btw,
guys, I just remember that I patched qt3/4/5 (before 5.8) to be able to
specify a ssl key/cert/ca for mysql connection and you don't have such
patch |
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| denk | would you like to add it to tqt3? |
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| _Chris_ | denk:
Hm, that last you have to ask Slavek about. I don't know. But it's good
we still have aRts, so all this audio backends can be supported still. I
don't know of any plans to remove Solaris support. I only know about
plans to support it instead of removing. |
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| _Chris_ | denk: Are you the person who popped up here some year ago with a lot of patches, for adding support for OI? |
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| denk | yep |
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| _Chris_ | Oh! Hello back then! Then I still know you. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't know if all your patches were ever integrated. I only know you
dropped a lot of code, which needed to be integrated. If that ever
happened? I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | I read that OI doesn't support 32Bit, is that different for dilos? |
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| denk | dilos is 64bits only |
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| _Chris_ | Sadly. Is that because all support of the Solaris kernel was removed specific to 32bit? |
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| denk | it's too hard to support many platforms at the same system |
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| _Chris_ | Okay. |
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| denk | but we can run 32bits applications |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, just asked, because I still use a lot of 32Bit only machines, or at least prefer 32Bit for them, because of memory reasons. |
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| denk | also, for example, joyent broke 32bits illumos kernel by using sse2 instructions for memory barier |
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| denk | mfence (if I remember correctly) |
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| denk | old hardware does not support it |
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| denk | there is no reason to upstream pathes for it |
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| _Chris_ | But, but SS2 is not sooo recent. But okay, thanks to know that. |
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| _Chris_ | *SSE2 |
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| _Chris_ | So, time to fetch newest translation updates. :-) |
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| denk | http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/qt/3.3.8-src-sql-drivers-mysql-qsql_mysql.ssl.patch yes, I found it! :) |
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| SlavekB | Great! Denk, are you willing to make TQt adjustments and create pull request? |
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| denk | I can do it to learn git |
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| * pitriss still have working non SSE2 machine.. IIRC Duron 800MHz with brutal 768MB Ram and Nvidia GeForce 2 64MB VRAM |
| pitriss | That machine is immprtal and not only because of non ROHS solder used.. :D |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, ROHS solder. Such a bad idea. |
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| denk | so, guys, I patched tqt3 mysql for ssl: https://paste.dilos.org/?b1049bc5691bd7e7#qkz1Li28SvVjEjYyHbpK1NgW1+KHj5oVRd1+0LIoU9g= |
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| pitriss | great job man:) |
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| denk | maybe... I defecated to the repo, again... :( |
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| SlavekB | Denk, looks like you inadvertently managed to amend your changes to Chris's previous commit. |
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| SlavekB | ...but it doesn't matter, I'll deal with it :) |
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| _Chris_ | denk: Just learn about GIT. No stress. :-) |
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| denk | SlavekB: thanks for the help with commits |
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| SlavekB | It's ok - you will gain experience over time :) |
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| denk | I need to clean the repo by cloning |
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| SlavekB | You can try to use script switch_all_submodules_to_head_and_clean |
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| denk | I've used it many times |
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| denk | in our repos we use "git checkout -b", git add, git commit, git push without sign-off |
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| denk | I guess I will learn it too |
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| SlavekB | Yes, this is the same procedure. The only difference is to use the "-s" option for git commit. |
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| denk | I did the same, you saw the result |
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| pitriss | Ok so I can confirm that tdehw tray thingy now respects if it should start or not.. |
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| denk | SlavekB: http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/dilos/tde/sparc.png |
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| SlavekB | Great! Nice to see it. |
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| ovf | denk: you're missing something like https://store.kde.org/p/1012363/ |
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| denk | that was a fast start to do a screenshot |
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| denk | otherwise I would configure it as CDE |
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| denk | ahem... s/fast/quick/ |
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| denk | sorry, english is not my native language |
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| SlavekB | Better natural TDE default look than imitating Win95 :) |
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| denk | somebody likes os x |
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| ovf | i don't know, i think the wimp ui peaked with windows 95. at least that's the last i ever used. |
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| nexgen2 | Hello |
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| nexgen2 | Please let me know, why repository sites are empty? |
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| SlavekB | nexgen, please, what you mean "repository sites"? |
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| SlavekB | You mean Active mirror list? |
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| denk | git pull works fine |
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| nexgen | Debian repository |
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| SlavekB | nexgen, unfortunately I still don't understand what you mean "repository sites are empty" |
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| nexgen | cannot open http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian |
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| SlavekB | nexgen, you hit a brief server outage. |
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| nexgen | earlier directory was empty |
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| TomTheDragon | It seems my Raspberry Pi does not like the Plastik theme at all, when I use the hardware rasterizer |
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| Scriptonaut | hey all, I'm on debian stretch, I downloaded the appimage, and when I run it I get: |
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| Scriptonaut | "Cannot
connect to secret service api" and "Please check that you are not
running trinity as root user and the gnome-keyring-daemon process is
running" |
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| Scriptonaut | I
didn't have gnome-keyring installed, so I installed it, and then ran
gnome-keyring-daemon -s. I'm not running it as root, yet I still get the
same error |
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| Scriptonaut | could
anyone help me out? Apparently tomorrow binance is refusing to let
americans withdraw their iota, so I need to put it in a wallet |
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| _Chris_ | Is anyone using Kaffeine for viewing TV from DVB-S2? |
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| mirda | _Chris_: DVB-T only |
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| mirda | I use Kaffeine for viewing DVB-T |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
thank you for report. But that works good? I think dvb-t is supported,
but dvb-t2 not, but code could be in the KDE4 port of it, so maybe can
backported some time in future. But dvb-s2 was around 2005 (KDE3 time)
already, so it seems to be supported. Wasn't sure at first. |
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| mirda | ah |
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| mirda | I have'nt any T2 device yet.. I bought very cheap used USB DVB-T stick and I am happy with it |
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| mirda | aver volar x |
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| mirda | works good |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
never tested if that works. I need some PCI card. But seems at least in
German all free TV will be disabled in near future, only if you pay for
it and you have some HD+ and card module. |
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| SlavekB | With usb dvb-t I had stability problems. Therefore, I have now a pci-express card. |
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| _Chris_ | Might
by chipset specific. Seems for Linux Philips tuners are good, but my
new card I want most likely to buy will use a conexant chipset. |
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| SlavekB | Previously I had a pci card, but the newer machine no longer contains a classic pci slot. |
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| _Chris_ | TBS 8922. |
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| * _Chris_ is proudly restricted to before-2010 hardware. :-) |
| _Chris_ | My
PCI bus seems to be pushed to max, what is able to do. Also AGP. But
that ends in using converter chips from PCI-E to PCI. But it seems to
works good. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't see to trash good working hardware, as long I can use it. |
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| _Chris_ | But at least with USB-2.0 there could be problems with dvb-t2, because USB doesn't offer enought speed. At least 2.0. |
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| SlavekB | My machine is "upgraded" but using older hardware - roughly 2015/2016 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I use something likely here too. Some socket 939 board, with some Opteron 185. So CPU is not the problem still today. |
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| mirda | I bought an used mainboard Gigabyte X58A-UD3R and i7-950 five years ago, it's working fine |
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| mirda | mainboard has one PCI slot, where sits SB Live sound card |
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| mirda | I
had some idea to have home SBC with USB DVB-T stick(s) and to stream TV
in home LAN, but with T2 it would be needed to have USB 3.0 enabled
device and gigabit LAN |
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| Chris__ | What
is also possible and I had to idea to use it: Some receiver box for
dvb-* and some RTSP stream interface. Like some IP-Cams use it. It can
stream and encode the streams in what you like and share it over one
server IP. |
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| Chris__ | So
you just need a playlist and can switch between channels. But Kaffeine,
or better xine-lib has problems to receive RTSP streams at the moment. I
am in talk with xine-lib devs to find out why and maybe it get's fixed. |
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| Chris__ | So for RTSP I use kmplayer (mplayer) now. :-) |
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| Chris__ | No, it is "KPlayer". |
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| mirda | ah, good to hear that something is fixed |
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| denk | a stupid question to you: how do you build packages for debian? I mean how you change version in changelog? |
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| denk | do you create a tarbal and build it somewhere else? |
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| MicheleC | @denk: you can start from here: |
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| MicheleC | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_buildscripts/local/README.txt |
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| denk | for dilos we store debian directory in a separated repos |
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| denk | thanks |
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| MicheleC | it is pretty straight forward once you spend a little time doing the setup and understanding the commands available |
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| MicheleC | if you have any question or clarification on those scripts, feel free to ask |
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| denk | huh... you use pbuilder and chroot |
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| denk | we use zones and jenkins to build packages |
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| MicheleC | this is how I build on my own machine. Slavek uses repropro and pbuilder |
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| MicheleC | to build for multiple distros and architectures |
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| denk | we have not ported pbuilder yet |
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| MicheleC | ah I see. |
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| MicheleC | pbuilder is pretty much the base for debian building, in one way or another |
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| denk | that means I need to create some process similar your building but for our platform with zones and lofs/zfs |
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| denk | that is the question... |
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| MicheleC | feel
free to reuse those scripts as you like. in theory you would only need
to replace the actual building part of the scripts, while all the
preparation and clean up may remain the same. |
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| MicheleC | hope it helps :-) |
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| denk | partially |
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| denk | ha! zfs clones and solaris zones is the power, the task is solved for dilos, thanks for the help |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| MicheleC | looking forward for more PR for dilos :-) |
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| denk | I need for about 2 weeks to build it all and debug pre/post scripts |
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| MicheleC | no worries :-) |
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| SlavekB | I can add: Currently I use sbuild (with schroot) instead of pbuilder. |
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| TomTheDragon | How can I set the window decorator theme for TDM? I see an option to set the widget style in the control center. |
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| TomTheDragon | The default just doesn't play nice with my graphics drivers. |
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| TomTheDragon | Does anyone else run trinity on Glamor? |
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| TomTheDragon | That's the 2d accel using opengl that X provides, glamor-egl |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: No, but report about if that works good would be nice. :-) |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__:
I will say I've tested on RPI3's VC4 and it's kinda messy with some
apps and themes. Konversation's scrolling and Plastik theme is what I've
seen so far. |
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| TomTheDragon | At first I blamed it wholly on the 3d drivers but I can't find anyone else who says they're broken. |
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| TomTheDragon | I don't really have the hardware to test other GPUs. |
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| TomTheDragon | doesn't appear in screenshots, so I can't share |
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| TomTheDragon | actually, the theme issues do appear |
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| Chris__ | Hm, do you use it with the compositor which is integrated within TDE? |
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| Chris__ | Because
than opengl would be used in two places. I think compositor should not
be used if using glamor, at least not in TDE, but maybe that is
unrelated. |
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| Chris__ | TQt should do 2D drawing over X11 just like every other toolkit. Do you have this problems with GTK2 applications too? |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__: how do I know if compositor is being used in TDE? |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__: here's what happens: https://pasteboard.co/IxyDL9G.png |
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| TomTheDragon | it's really pretty minor. the scrolling in konversation is worse |
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| TomTheDragon | and no issues in gtk that i've seen |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon:
Desktop -> Window settings (or how it is called in your language)
and there is a tab, called "Composition" or so. There you need to
deactivate all. |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__: it's turned off |
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| SlavekB | Nice - comprehensive and quite positive review Q4OS with Trinity in Czech :) |
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| SlavekB | https://www.root.cz/clanky/q4os-debian-a-trinity-se-vzhledem-windows-pro-nejstarsi-pocitace/ |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Is Q4OS still really loving TDE? Because I looked for some reviews time
by time and it looked they were going more and more the KDE5 and
friends route. At least let users now choose between KDE5 too and at
their website, they showed pictures of KDE5. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it seems, Trinity is default and then can be installed other DE. |
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| _Chris_ | But very nice people spread the word about TDE. Next version will be even better. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | What
I liked very much about Q4OS is, that they really use the framework and
base of TDE to create own things like own wizzards and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | Distributions
could use TDE very good for a base, because there is really a lot to
customize it. I don't know if this is still possible with KDE5, but I
don't think so. |
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| qbmonkey | Is anyone around? |
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| acjones8 | There's me, I'm just lurking on my lunchbreak |
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| acjones8 | What's up? |
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| qbmonkey | Have you heard of qb64? |
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| qbmonkey | Its a multi-platform basic language, IDE, compiler |
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| acjones8 | Nope, in that case, I have not |
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| acjones8 | Sorry |
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| qbmonkey | Currently it creates GL windows and looks like a Term-emu with ncurses, but is not. |
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| qbmonkey | Users
are having issues with text highlighting and the Desktop environments
releasing the selected code when clicking off of the gl window |
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| qbmonkey | This does not happen in minimal WM. |
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| acjones8 | Hmm, I'll see if I can take a look |
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| qbmonkey | Is there a setting, that you know of, that will alter this behavior? |
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| acjones8 | Not
that I know of, but I do know some other applications, Firefox
especially, that have some problems with pop ups not being clickable |
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| qbmonkey | I don't mean copy and paste. As this is a gl window and not an actual clipboard compatible ide |
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| acjones8 | You
mean the X11 select copy and paste? Where you just highlight a line of
text, and it's supposed to be immediatly pastable elsewhere? |
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| qbmonkey | No, not that at all. |
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| qbmonkey | The highlighting is independent to the application running in the ql window. |
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| qbmonkey | But for some reason in Desktop environments it is unselected if you go to a different window. |
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| qbmonkey | I could only guess that perhaps there is something regarding window management, that minimal window managers don't attend to. |
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| qbmonkey | So this is not copy and paste in regards to X11 environments. |
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| qbmonkey | Just the behavior of a GL window being altered in some way. |
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| qbmonkey | It could even be mouse click signaling. |
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| qbmonkey | Just something that Evilwm would leave alone, but a DE does not. |
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| acjones8 | What's the exact process to get the highlighting? |
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| qbmonkey | Click, hold, select? |
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| qbmonkey | There may be keyboard shortcuts also. |
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| acjones8 | Hmm.
That's what I tried, but I can't reproduce this issue. Even after
switching to a Firefox window and back, the line stays highlighted |
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| qbmonkey | I just assumed they meant mouse highlighting. |
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| acjones8 | I
would ordinarily suspect that maybe the change in which window is in
focus could result in that, but I have Trinity set to automatically
change the focus to whatever the mouse is on, so that must not be the
problem... |
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| qbmonkey | I'm still trying to figure out why it bothers them. |
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| acjones8 | If
I had to guess, maybe they're using it as a marker for when they're
switching between windows? I use my cursor for that, but maybe they
prefer highlighting |
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| qbmonkey | Good guess. |
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| acjones8 | Sorry
I couldn't be of more help, I'm not sure of a setting that could cause
this behavior, but I know the Trinity devs frequent this channel, so
hopefully they'll see this later, or you can try waiting for them.
Trinity also has a mailinglist iirc, though I've never used it. |
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| qbmonkey | They could use any IDE they'd like, but the QB64 ide provides so much information to beginners. Just like QuickBasic 4.5 |
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| acjones8 | But
I can at least confirm that it *is* possible to use this on Trinity
without this behavior, since I don't see it. Maybe try a fresh install
of Trinity and see if the behavior still persists? If so, then it must
be something I changed that causes it to work properly |
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| acjones8 | Yeah,
it does seem really awesome, I noticed the status line on the bottom
changing as I typed random stuff. That seems invaluable, helps with
catching errors early! |
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| qbmonkey | Indeed. I hope it has a future. |
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| qbmonkey | Thanks for checking that. |
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| acjones8 | No
worries, and if you think of anything I can do that might be helpful,
I'd be glad to try it. Though my lunch break is ending soon, so I might
not be on for very much longer. |
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| qbmonkey | NP. Glad for the reply. Thanx again. |
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| TomTheDragon | I'm seeing these types of issues in trinity qt apps, and only trinity apps: https://imgur.com/a/2ePrSc0 |
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| TomTheDragon | Does qt3 use the X11 acceleration? I might expect it to since it's an older toolkit now. |
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| leslie | For
the last couple of weeks all of my posts to the trinity-user mailing
list have been returned with the message "Mail delivery failed:
returning message to sender" Does this mean I've been banned,
or ? |
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| PoempelFox[m] | well that depends on what else the error mail says besides "mail delivery failed". It usually gives a human readable reason too. |
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| TomTheDragon | Is there a way to get the display to only turn back on with the keyboard, not the mouse? |
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| chewie_ | hi, I found that after updates the kernel ceased to work correctly the console with tde errors |
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| vita_cell | guys,
one question, is here some native (qt3) bluetooth manager frontend (no
CLI) for Trinity? does Trinity already has a frontend for bluetooth
management? |
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| MicheleC | not
that I know of.... I think deloptes has been doing some work on bluez
and bluetooth for a while, perhaps you may want to ask on the user ML? |
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| vita_cell | blueman
does work, and might blueberry, but I hate python. And bluedevil looks
great, looks like it supports qt5 and maybe qt4. But I don't know if it
has some qt3 old version |
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| vita_cell | I don't know who they are |
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| MicheleC | Just address to "deloptes" (real name Emanoil) on the user mailing list ;-) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/deloptes/tdebluez |
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| vita_cell | thanks |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB is that Bluedevil Qt3 fork? |
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| SlavekB | it seems to be based on some original kdebluetooth |
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| vita_cell | Is "tdebluez" included in TDE? |
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| SlavekB | It is not yet an official part of TDE. |
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| vita_cell | because is still not fully working? |
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| SlavekB | This is the initial state on which work will continue. I assume it will be included as an official part of TDE later. |
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| vita_cell | but at least it is amazing having a native bluetooth frontend |
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| vita_cell | why no distro put TDE desktop into their main repositories? Why no one want Trinity? |
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| SlavekB | Distributions often feel that we use Qt3 which is unmanaged => in fact we use the TQt that we maintain. |
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| SlavekB | Often
another major problem is that the default location we have in
/opt/trinity, to avoid potential conflicts with libraries and
applications that have not been renamed in Trinity. |
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| vita_cell | I
know that in GNU/Linux world finished software don't exist (like in
Microsoft world), only maintained or unmaintained. /opt/trinity can be
installed alongside Qt4-KDE4 and Qt5-KDE5, I never had conflicts. I
think desktops like Trinity must to attract more people for use it, and
so for distros. Today desktops environments are pure cancer bloated with
JavaScripts, Java, C#, Python, and I can not understand why no one |
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| vita_cell | cares anymore about performance and efficiency. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| denk | because /dev/brain is more expensive than a hardware |
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| denk | guys, could you hide linux specific code to the linux target? |
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| denk | such as #include <linux/bla-bla.h> |
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| TomTheDragon | Is there a way to prevent the mouse from waking up the screensaver? |
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| vita_cell | guys, TDEsu is always failing, it always says that my password is wrong |
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| vita_cell | guys, TDEsu is always failing, it always says that my password is wrong |
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| vita_cell | also,
here is a huge bug in TDE's SystemGuard in Process Table, not showing
any process in the table, it show only a blink at every update |
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| vita_cell | is here some desktop-compositor inside TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ what compositor is it? where is? name? how to configure? |
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| _Chris_ | TCC -> Desktop -> Window Settings (Or otherwise named) and there should be a tab called "Transparency" or "Compositing". |
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| _Chris_ | It
should be.. if I am right, some form of xcompmgr, which was customized
and integrated within twin. But I am not absolutely sure about that. |
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| _Chris_ | It is integrated. |
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| vita_cell | found it |
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| vita_cell | it is worth to swap it with fine configures compton? |
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| _Chris_ | Very good. But I never used it. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
maybe it was compton, not xcompmgr. You need to test it. Just
deactivate compoton and try it yourself. Maybe some other people here
can give you first hand reports. :-) |
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| vita_cell | one question more, is here some way to configure TDE desktop notifications? |
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| _Chris_ | Which notifications your mean? Sound, or messages? And from which specific application? |
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| vita_cell | just system/desktop notifications (like xfce4-notify) |
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| vita_cell | TDE's notifications are uglier than xfce4's |
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| _Chris_ | TDE
doesn't has some notification-deamon binding at the moment, like other
desktops. Most notifications are configured by the application at own. |
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| _Chris_ | So Kopete, for example also uses a different style for them as the notifications from tdehwtray in the systray. |
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| vita_cell | wow, any desktop has notification daemon/service |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but back in the days it was absolutely normal that notifications are a
thing of the applications itself. On the other hand side that makes
people avoiding dbus and such things happy. But that NOT means that in
some time maybe there will be some systray application which handles
this notifications. You have this problems with non-TDE applications? |
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| _Chris_ | For
example Telegram, I use, uses also some kind of messages, but I can
setup there placement and so on from Telegram configuration. But that
might be just because it includes some kind of notification-deamon
client. Might be wrong, I don't know. |
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| vita_cell | for example, notifications from my browser (palemoon) looks very basic/alpha, and ugly |
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| _Chris_ | I am using PM myself, like other people using TDE and I never really have seen notifications. Which you mean for example? |
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| _Chris_ | And do you use the GTK3 port? Better would be to use the GTK2 port, that allows better and finer integration within TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | The
popups, or notifications are not using TQt in this case. They are using
GTK2 and from what I know.. Palemoon is neither using
notifications-daemon. Or yes, it *can* be build to use that, but never
have done that. Maybe Slavek can help you how you can tune a bit on
them, with notification-daemon use. |
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| vita_cell | by
desktop notifications I mean, mount/unmount/safely-remove devices,
notifications from browser, notifications froms some text-chat, battery
notifications when fully charged... |
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| vita_cell | no, I always try to avoid anything written with gtk3 |
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| _Chris_ | The
mount/unmount-sefely-remove notifications should come from tdehwtray in
the systray and there is still some work to make them better or more
configurable. The notifications from browser or third party applications
can either use notifcation-deamon (for which there is no client at the
moment in TDE), or they can use the old way notifcations, for which
GTK2/GTK3 or so is responsible. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, most people here avoid GTK3. |
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| _Chris_ | You mean the messages you get in the systray, of you unmount some stick or something, right? |
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| vita_cell | so, here is no such thing like xfce4-notify, or some notify daemon service |
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| vita_cell | gtk3 is pain in the ass for everything |
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| _Chris_ | I also think they could be made better and they will in future, I am sure. |
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| vita_cell | yes, messages/popups, like in Windows |
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| _Chris_ | No,
at the moment, it isn't. But that can happen every time that such thing
could be added. Some systray application like TDE-Notification-Client
or something like that would be nice, so users would not be forced to
use it, but people can configure all this notifcations from that place. |
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| SlavekB | Here is kdbusnotification, but I'm not sure if it works as needed. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
exactly. If you know the Kopete messages in the systray, the yellow
bubbles, I had the idea they could be used as alternative version of
this blocky messages. |
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| _Chris_ | The yellows bubbles from Kopete are nearly that what you see in Wind0ws. |
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| _Chris_ | But
- That need to be done first. So there is some need that someone begins
to work on that. TDE is not blocking improvement at any time to make
that better. So in future that can be only better. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Kopete
partially uses knotify (as is common for TDE applications) - for
passive reporting of online / offline states and so on. And besides
this, a yellow bubbles with incoming messages. |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
and I had already the idea to use this yellow bubbles for other
notifications. Better would be to integrate them within TQt or something
like that and make Kopete and other applications like tdehwtray use
this code from this global place. But that's just some idea. Maybe I
will open some issue about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
from what I know this yellow bubbles are special code which Kopete uses
just alone at the moment. It would also allow to give some selection of
"Yes" or "No" or "Open Device", like a popup. |
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| _Chris_ | What vita_cell means is most likely this here. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Desktop_notifications |
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| _Chris_ | It's
some idea from the freedesktop globalists and yes, it could be also
some optional client in TDE for that for this applications which use
such notifications better to integrate. |
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| _Chris_ | So
the idea is to use libnotify to sent notifications from any application
over a notification-deamon and some client in the desktop is
responsible to display them. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ what I want is a desktop very similar to WindowsXP, in every aspect, I am really comfortable with it |
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| _Chris_ | But, from what I know there are desktop independent notification clients. |
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| vita_cell | yes, like libnotify and xfce4-notify |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Yes, I think you are not alone with that. |
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| _Chris_ | In the archlinux wiki I linked you, you will find some standalone clients, you can also use in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, TDE would need some *own* application for that, but at the moment it hasn't. |
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| vita_cell | I
configured my Palemoon for output browser's notifications to use native
desktop notifications, in xfce4 with xfce4-notify el looks correct, but
too ugly and too alpha in TDE |
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| _Chris_ | You also can use xfce4-notifyd within TDE, but I know, that is not a clean solution. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I really don't like frankenstein workarounds lol |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
because TDE doesn't know this kind of notifications. Better to use the
other notifications in PaleMoon, but I don't know how to change that. I
just doesn't build PM with that. |
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| vita_cell | in that case I prefer ugly TDE's notifications |
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| vita_cell | it just an extensions for palemoon, that redirects notifications to desktop daemon |
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| _Chris_ | So
what we got from this: Would be nice if TDE could have also some
optionally notification deamon client application. Maybe that will come
in future. |
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| vita_cell | I have one problem with TDE System Guard, the process table just blinks, and I can not see anything clearly |
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| vita_cell | it doesn't happen with Qt4 version |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
yes. It does also for me, but that is maybe the refresh interval. But
it is still working for me fine. But just noticed, that needs to be
translated too. Good I looked into that now. |
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| vita_cell | it doesn't allow me to select any process |
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| _Chris_ | With "edit", you can change the refreshing speed in the toolbar. |
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| _Chris_ | "Worksheet Properties". |
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| _Chris_ | Default should be 2 seconds. |
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| vita_cell | nah, tryed 1 and 10, same blinking |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, maybe it would be helpful to.. make some video or something of that to show here, to better understand that? |
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| vita_cell | it just blinking, dont know how much blinks per second |
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| _Chris_ | Are you using some compositor? |
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| vita_cell | no |
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| vita_cell | it doesn't happen with any other program |
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| _Chris_ | Because, I don't know if that is some rendering problem or some problem of the settings. |
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| vita_cell | it sometimes stops to blink, while showing a just blank process table, with nothing inside, for few seconds |
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| _Chris_ | You
can try to remove: "~/.trinity/share/config/ksysguardrc" and try if it
works. If not, than, it could be some rendering problem. I have to go
AFK for now. |
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| vita_cell | nah, same thing, now table blinks/shows every 3 seconds (less blinks), strange bug |
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| vita_cell | other
huge problem I had (had to waste some hours), it is crappy Polkit
rules, but god, finally could to fix that. I had not mounting disks,
even with root |
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| vita_cell | this is the ugly notification "notify-send 'Hello world!' 'This is an example notification.' --icon=dialog-information" |
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| vita_cell | how to make autologin with TDM? |
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| vita_cell | and well, TDEsu doesn't recognize my password somehow |
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| SlavekB | vita_cell, in /etc/trinity/tdm/tdmrc you can found options: |
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| SlavekB | AutoLoginEnable, AutoLoginUser and AutoLoginAgain. |
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| vita_cell | thanks, and what about password bug in TDEsu? |
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| vita_cell | wow, I am happy that KBFX is included in TDE, it is fucking amazing software. |
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| _Chris_ | Good to hear that. :-) |
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| vita_cell | guys,
when installed TDE I had a working sound, now it doesn't work, in
KControl audio and multimedia doesn't recognize PulseAudio |
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| vita_cell | someone help? |
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| _Chris_ | I don't use PA, but why you use it and not ALSA? |
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| _Chris_ | And from what application you want to play sound? TDE usess arts, a own soundserver, but only for TDE-native applications. |
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| _Chris_ | PM can use simply ALSA, for example. |
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| mutantturkey | hisaguysa |
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| mutantturkey | _Chris_: well for one, bluetooth headphones. |
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| mutantturkey | vita_cell: afik there's not PA support in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | mutantturkey: True point, we talked about that already. |
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| vita_cell | I
am on Slackware64-14.2, which comes with pulseaudio. I tryed everything
even removing pulseaudio, but sound still doesn't work. Also I tryed
TDE's sound problem guide. Only playing music with Audacious and XMMS
sound works. |
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| vita_cell | I love TDE but if I don't have sound, I must to use KDE4 as default |
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| vita_cell | can someone help? |
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| vita_cell | audio still doesn't work in TDE |
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| SlavekB | vita_cell, you have installed akode? |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB |
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| vita_cell | I
am on Slackware64-14.2, which comes with pulseaudio. I tryed everything
even removing pulseaudio, but sound still doesn't work. Also I tryed
TDE's sound problem guide. Only playing music with Audacious and XMMS
sound works. |
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| SlavekB | what you see sound cards - /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| vita_cell | ls /proc/asound/ |
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| SlavekB | cat /proc/asound/cards :) |
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| vita_cell | NVidia,card0,cards,hwdep,oss,seq,version,S2,card1,devices,modules,pcm,timers |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB |
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| vita_cell | no "card" |
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| vita_cell | ahhh |
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| vita_cell | http://dpaste.com/0ZE2WFV |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB |
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| vita_cell | so, sound works but only with XMMS and Audacious |
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| _Chris_ | Could be interesting also, what sound ouput type you use in Audacious and XMMS. Is it ALSA, or PA? |
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| SlavekB | what sound card do you have speakers connected to? |
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| vita_cell | ALSA |
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| vita_cell | https://docs.slackware.com/es:howtos:multimedia:pulseaudio_non-default |
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| vita_cell | I already removed PulseAudio |
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| vita_cell | but the situation is the same |
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| vita_cell | SOund worked fine when I installed TDE, but something broke |
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| vita_cell | so my main sound card is SoundBlasterPLay!, I have nothing connected to HDA-Intel or HDA-Nvidia |
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| _Chris_ | For which application the sound not work? For TDE native ones, or for PM, for example? |
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| vita_cell | for everything othar than XMMS or Audacious |
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| SlavekB | I assume that the order of your soundcards has reversed. |
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| vita_cell | from Kmix I selected my main soundcard as SoundBlasterLive |
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| vita_cell | how can I blacklist or remove the HDA-IntelNvidia? |
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| vita_cell | maybe ALSA outputs everyhing into HDA-INTEL-NVIDIA |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly
you can disable it in the BIOS of your mainboard, or normaly, it should
be disabled automatically, if you have some additional sound card. |
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| vita_cell | it is not Intel extractly, but Nvidia's HDMI output |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I see.. |
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| SlavekB | Here are two options: |
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| SlavekB | 1. In the sound server settings turn on Override device location and set to "1". |
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| vita_cell | so, I am using proprietary nvidia blob |
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| SlavekB | 2. Add udev rules to guarantee the desired order of sound cards. |
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| vita_cell | 1.alsamixer? or what? |
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| SlavekB | Trinity Control Center / Sound & Multimedia / Sound System / Hardware. |
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| vita_cell | what is the file for udev rules? |
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| SlavekB | I was a bit inaccurate - these are not udev rules, but options for modules: |
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| SlavekB | $ cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound-cards.conf |
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| SlavekB | options snd_hda_intel index=1,0 |
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| SlavekB | options snd_usb_audio index=2 |
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| SlavekB | For your case, you want snd_usb_audio as index = 0 and snd_hda_intel as index = 1. |
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| SlavekB | Setting indexes has the advantage that the order cannot be changed randomly at reboot. |
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| vita_cell | so I add into that file "options snd_hda_intel index=1,0" and the second line "options snd_usb_audio index=2"? |
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| SlavekB | As I say - for your case you want index=0 for usb device. |
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| vita_cell | do I need to write "options"? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the format of the entry is the way you saw the output of the cat. |
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| SlavekB | FYI - output for my /proc/asound/cards: |
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| SlavekB | 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic |
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| SlavekB | HD-Audio
Generic at 0xfe800000 irq 96 |
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| SlavekB | 1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI |
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| SlavekB | HDA
ATI HDMI at 0xfe940000 irq 94 |
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| SlavekB | 2 [Phone ]: USB-Audio - VOIP USB Phone |
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| SlavekB | Yealink
Network Technology Ltd. VOIP USB Phone at usb-0000:0a:00.3-2, full spee |
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| SlavekB | ...and that's why I have the options I sent above. |
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| vita_cell | do I need reboot after that? |
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| SlavekB | It should suffice: |
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| SlavekB | modprobe -r snd_hda_intel |
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| SlavekB | modprobe -r snd_usb_audio |
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| SlavekB | ...and then again: |
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| SlavekB | modprobe snd_hda_intel |
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| SlavekB | modprobe snd_usb_audio |
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| SlavekB | you need to exit KMix before unload modules. |
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| vita_cell | modprobe -r snd_hda_intel |
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| vita_cell | modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use |
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| vita_cell | lol wtf |
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| SlavekB | kmix can use it => quit kmix. |
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| vita_cell | you are genius! SlavekB now sound works(browser, amarok, music). But can not to launch kmix again |
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| vita_cell | kmix kmix: error while loading shared libraries: libpulse.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| vita_cell | that kmix likes PulseAudio lol |
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| SlavekB | Ah, it seems that kmix requires the presence of the libpulse library because he was built with the support of pulseaudio. |
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| vita_cell | can I recompile it without PulseAudio support? |
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| vita_cell | or should I install pulseaudo again? |
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| SlavekB | It is possible that some of the software you will install will also require the pulseaudio library. |
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| vita_cell | so basically, my problem was bad soundcard order that I couldn't change from any GUI program |
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| SlavekB | so installing libpulse seems like a good choice. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, your problem was not related to pulseaudio. |
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| vita_cell | I think TDE need some GUI app or some script for changing sound card order use |
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| vita_cell | because Kmix could not to do that |
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| vita_cell | systemd and pulseaudio are cancer for that operating system |
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| SlavekB | It
would be good if in TCC it was possible to set the card not by manually
entering the number, but by some other identifier - for example, the
card identification string. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, that could to solve that problem |
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| vita_cell | ok, I installed the apulse |
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| vita_cell | thanks you for your help |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| _Chris_ | Nice to see the problem was solved. :-) |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ yeah, Slavek is a genius. |
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| vita_cell | I have one question, is here some application startup manager (managin the apps autostart)? |
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| SlavekB | kcm-autostart? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, sure, he is. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Maybe you can look at the control center, as Slavek suggested, or you have to install this in addition. |
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| vita_cell | I have full intallation TDE desktop, so everything |
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| vita_cell | but I could not to find something lik autostart managing in TCC |
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| vita_cell | and
I have one huge problem with TDE, graphical password asker (TDEsu)
doesn't work, I mean, it doesn't recognize passwords. Some I can not run
anything with TDEsu |
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| _Chris_ | You have su installed and not use sudo? Because there is TDEsudo. |
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| vita_cell | ahhhhh damn, it might because I don't have "sudo" |
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| vita_cell | because it is Slackware |
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| _Chris_ | If Slackware uses sudo, you need TDEsudo, otherwise, if it uses su, you need TDEsu. But I have never used it. |
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| vita_cell | no, Slackware by defauld has no sudo |
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| vita_cell | so you run commands and programs as root, but not a user with root rights |
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| _Chris_ | So TDEsu should be right for you.. |
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| _Chris_ | But you wrote it does not work. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can try out and test. |
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| vita_cell | hmmm but it doesnt recognize my passwords |
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| _Chris_ | Have you selfbuild it for Slackware? I mean TDE. |
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| vita_cell | TDEsu says that my pawwrods is wrong, and TDEsudo says that my username is wrong |
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| vita_cell | yeah |
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| vita_cell | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, don't use TDEsudo, you said you don't have sudo, so. |
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| vita_cell | yes, it is su |
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| _Chris_ | TDEsu should work, if su works. |
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| vita_cell | no, it doesnt |
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| vita_cell | it says that my password is wrong |
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| vita_cell | even I can not to change my password in TCC |
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| vita_cell | because TDEsu doesnt recognize it |
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| _Chris_ | Can you start "tdesud" in the terminal and try if it works than? |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ |
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| vita_cell | tdesud: WARNING: tdesud is already running |
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| vita_cell | indeed it is really running in my task manager |
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| _Chris_ | I mean, also for TDEsu, there is some setting if using su or sudo anywhere, but I don't know where it was. |
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| _Chris_ | No, it seems I was wrong about that, I can't find such a setting. |
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| vita_cell | I don't know how to debug TDEsu |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/tdesu/configure.in.in |
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| _Chris_ | Can it be... that tdesu was build only with sudo backend activated for Slackware? |
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| _Chris_ | Or to be more clear: Can you please link to your build scripts, please? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I have seen you did already. |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| vita_cell | you can download it. it is just build scripts with downloaders |
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| vita_cell | +downloading scripts |
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| _Chris_ | -DWITH_SUDO_TDESU_BACKEND="ON" \ |
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| vita_cell | so it is compiled only with sudo backend |
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| vita_cell | but by default in this TDE it calls TDEsu, to use it as graphic su backed |
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| _Chris_ | No,
I think it is build with support for sudo backend. It seems before
CMake conversion, there was a switch for use a default, I don't see that
now. |
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| vita_cell | backend |
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| _Chris_ | But you can try to install sudo and look if that works, but I think you only want to use su, right? |
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| vita_cell | I think that I don't care about it |
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| _Chris_ | Seems that tdesu works with sudo too, therefore I might have seen a choose dialog or something like that anywhere.. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, than try to install sudo. |
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| vita_cell | hmmmmm |
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| vita_cell | [ installed ] - sudo-1.8.20p2-x86_64-1_slack14.2 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | That makes so sense, you know? |
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| _Chris_ | It is using sudo, because you have build tdesu to support sudo. |
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| _Chris_ | And it is probing for sudo, which seems to not work, it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | So you could change that build script and set sudo support to off. |
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| _Chris_ | Or better, you can try to remove sudo from your system. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe this way it will use su as default. |
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| _Chris_ | If
you remove sudo, I am sure that will bringt tdesu to use su and it will
work. Question is if your sudo is or was ever working fine. I doubt it.
Maybe that is the reason tdesu is failing too. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/tdesu/CMakeLists.txt#L47 |
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| vita_cell | so the script builds it wrong way |
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| _Chris_ | If sudo support is build into TDE or tdesu, it will be default, it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | Before
CMake conversion, there was a switch to define the default, maybe that
is something SlavekB could look at to re-add that again? :-) |
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| vita_cell | I uncommented "%wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in sudoers and now I can run "tdesu d3lphin" |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | My
thinking is: There should be a way to set default, also if TDE was
build with sudo and su support at the same time. It is not really a
problem if the Slackware build scripts, I think. In Gentoo I would end
up the same, if I would build with sudo support, I am sure. Good we
talked about that. |
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| _Chris_ | *of |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ it is working fine now, I also tryed with "%wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
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| vita_cell | TDEsu outputs the teaxtbox message for password, I type, and it works |
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| _Chris_ | You are welcome. But good you bring that to talk. Maybe that is now some thing for investigation. A small change could be good. |
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| vita_cell | it could be fine to add some sound cards management into TCC, the problem previously I had, it was a bit painful |
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| vita_cell | another thing I miss (that every DE has), is mouse back button doesn't work in d3plhin or Konqueror. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have read about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Mouse back button? You mean for navigating websites, for example? |
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| vita_cell | yes, it does work in Palemoon, for going to back page, but I can not go back in d3lphin or konqueror (file-managers-explorers) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, just noticed that too. |
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| vita_cell | also, desktop panel, has no clear system for moving applets/components |
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| _Chris_ | Which desktop panel? |
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| vita_cell | the TDE's one |
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| _Chris_ | Applets you have in Kicker. |
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| _Chris_ | In TDE, like in old KDE3, you have Kicker and KDesktop, which forms the desktop. |
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| vita_cell | I mean, here is no clear system for moving applets, icons, applets, by dragging them for mote to other position |
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| vita_cell | *move |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, what do you mean by clear system? I just move desktop icons and drop them. That works for me. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You mean you could get shown some border around the possible target and such things for dropping icons? |
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| vita_cell | "desktop", I am talking about panel: icons, launchers, windows buttons, applets |
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| vita_cell | you can not to move them easy like in xfce4 for example |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
there is always room for improvement. But TDE is a KDE3 evolution-like
development, not trashing existing work and start from scratch. So any
changes are not done simply. Because some people are happy it works
already, you know? In this part, at least now, there is no work planed,
but if someone want to make that better, why not? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | It's just there is much more work needed for polishing and fixing bugs and so on and this is working mostly fine it is. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I hate that development program, trashing away all existing work, it is just brainless action. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you see? TDE is not about copy-pasting XFCE. True point it might have some nice features too. |
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| _Chris_ | What
you suggested, about sound cards, I think that would be a much more and
better addition for TDE, instead of changing the desktop and panel and
such management. |
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| _Chris_ | Or, for example, working on a systray application for managing libnotify like notifications. |
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| vita_cell | yes, indeed, as that feature will some a huge problem |
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| vita_cell | *solve |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
So at least desktop and panels and so on works fine in TDE, also if I
am sometimes unhappy if some icon dropping changes my icons arrangement
too. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | KSnapshot is some helper for that, to know in which places icons were before. Just as a workaround. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| vita_cell | one question, it is hard to make panel to hide tray icons on the right side on the panel like in WindowsXP? |
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| SlavekB | you talk about move icons / applets in kicker? |
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| _Chris_ | Completely hide, or you mean, that you have some arrow for expanding and hiding more than "x" icons in the traybar? |
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| vita_cell | not move anything, just asking if TDE has some feature for hiding tray icons on the panel |
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| _Chris_ | Hiding them permanently, or you can hide and show, with some click? |
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| SlavekB | yes, tray icons can be hidden. |
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| vita_cell | how? |
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| vita_cell | when some app crashes and outputs a error report service, does it send the report to TDE devs? |
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| _Chris_ | You need first to need to undo "fixing" of kicker. |
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| vita_cell | kicker is the start menu? because I am using KBFX |
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| _Chris_ | And than you see some kind of handle, with this dots in the bar. The systray is some applet like the clock. |
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| _Chris_ | And you can do configuration of it, to hide some icons from the systray, or simply remove it from the kicker panel. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, than I don't know. |
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| vita_cell | I remove the handles because look too ugly |
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| vita_cell | *removed |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but you only can or should be able to change them, if you show them. |
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| _Chris_ | Afterwars you can remove them again, this way layout will be fixed. |
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| vita_cell | If I want to make for example GUI app in C with TQt3, what should I use for that? or is here some guide? |
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| vita_cell | TDEDevelop? |
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| _Chris_ | Puh.
Yes, there are ideas and more or less work to make that work again from
TDEDevelop, but at the moment, I don't know if that works. Also some
examples from TQt doesn't build, it seems. You can simply use Kate and
look at the API docs of Qt3. |
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| _Chris_ | https://trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/ |
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| vita_cell | nice, thanks |
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| vita_cell | graphics gui toolkits in GNU/Linux are a huge mess. |
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| _Chris_ | You need to think abit, because it isn't Qt.. it has to be TQt. But you will find out, I think, or ask here. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I know, the API is modified |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Developers |
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| vita_cell | so TDE devs ported every KDE3 app to TQt3? |
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| _Chris_ | Not
every, but a lot of. There are still some applications which could be
imported, but often there is work needed. There are some scripts to do
the changes to port to TDE, but that doesn't work for every application. |
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| _Chris_ | Twinkle is such a example. It's a KDE3 SIP phone application, which could be of good use in TDE. |
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| vita_cell | but? |
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| _Chris_ | But just changing prefixes and so on isn't enough in that case. |
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| vita_cell | huh |
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| _Chris_ | Or take kdenlive, some video editor. |
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| _Chris_ | It
uses some old version of some MLT framework and either this old
framework needs to be imported and maintained by TDE too, or the old
interface need to be ported to work with latest upstream version of this
MLT framework. |
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| vita_cell | I never understood, why original devs trash away their whole work/effort, and begin froms scratch |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
good question. They might have their reasons. Back than freedesktop was
some good effort to globalize all desktops. What started to be a good
idea, ended today with a lot of changes some people don't liked and
removed the freedom to take other routes from desktops. Redhat was a big
company advertising this route. |
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| _Chris_ | There is, I think, no question mainstreaming the *.desktop file specification for all desktops was a good and useful idea. |
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| vita_cell | RedHat it is like a dictator |
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| vita_cell | good and bad ideas |
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| _Chris_ | All
that started much before someone noticed really, so back in 2005 or so,
there was something called PolyAudio and there was some guy, talking
about it would be a future. No one hearing to him, back than. Today that
turned out to be PulseAudio. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You could write a book about that social route open source software went. |
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| vita_cell | I don't care about pulseaudio, I am fine with or without it. But systemd, I hate it |
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| _Chris_ | It's like history, if you see it from todays view of point. |
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| _Chris_ | *point of view |
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| _Chris_ | PA and systemd are from the same guy. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, Lenny |
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| _Chris_ | While
it also has pros, problem is that some people don't want it and often
the devs of desktops or so choose to drop other support. |
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| _Chris_ | You see that in FF. It dropped ALSA support, just supporting PA. |
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| vita_cell | it is fine that systemd exists, if someone wants it, he can take it. But they force it on purpose |
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| _Chris_ | In PM you can still use ALSA. |
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| vita_cell | they dropped it in v52, but with no clear reasons, like "we dont want to compile it with ALSA support" |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
so TDE supports all and has always motivation to give choise, in every
direction. It's build with freedom in mind and for network management,
you can use NetworkManager, but you hasn't to use that. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, so question is: Was that reason a clear political one? Hm. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I like NetworkManager beacuse it is easy to use and it is written in C |
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| _Chris_ | Problem behind that is, like always in every aspect of the world: Too much abstraction is bad. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but it needs dbus and such things. |
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| _Chris_ | And that needs glib. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, it adds complexity |
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| _Chris_ | But if someone want's to use, it was always why not use it? Problem today is just people don't care anymore much about choice. |
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| vita_cell | so NetworkManager might not to compile with musl |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I don't know. That is glibC. |
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| _Chris_ | Glib is which GTK uses. |
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| vita_cell | ahhh right, gnome |
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| _Chris_ | But, arts is also using glib. |
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| _Chris_ | But, arts was build back in the days to be desktop independent. |
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| _Chris_ | That is the only reason. |
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| _Chris_ | It could use simply TQt threads. |
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| vita_cell | what do you think about Wayland? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
good question. I don't like it. But as some alternative, it would be
okay. Might be true it removes much of the complexity of X. |
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| _Chris_ | But that also has drawbacks. And meanwhile I am very sceptical about new directions. |
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| _Chris_ | There was the *idea* to use GTK3 rendering backend for drawing natively to Wayland with TQt. |
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| vita_cell | I
tested it with GNOME3 (worst desktop possible), and looks like KDE5 is
still porting their desktop to works with wayland, but I really don't
like KDE5 |
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| vita_cell | GTK3 really don't like it |
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| _Chris_ | If
that would be optional, so people under X can still use the rendering
path from native TQt, that would be okay, but having GTK3 forced to use
TDE, would be no good choice, is my personal point of view. |
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| _Chris_ | I think X will be existing a long, long time still. |
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| vita_cell | so they strip down the complexity of X, for force GTK3 and all the bloat stuff |
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| _Chris_ | And,
it might be.. that in some years, the emulating of X under Wayland will
be such good, that all could be not needed. I might be wrong, but okay. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
no, Wayland is not about GTK3. And the idea at TDE (it was just an
idea), was to make native rendering under Wayland possible for TDE
users. |
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| _Chris_ | And because adding that rendering to TQt would be much, much work.. |
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| vita_cell | what
I really like, is backward compatibility, because no dev thinks about
it, and backward compatibility it is a must in software |
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| _Chris_ | That was some idea. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, so you see because in TDE something is not simply changed by the sake of change. |
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| vita_cell | I think that porting desktop to wayland must to be a huge effort (really I dont know) |
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| _Chris_ | I am happy now that TDE was never ported to Qt5 or Qt4. |
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| _Chris_ | Because we have seen what happened so fast to Qt4 now by removing it from distributions. |
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| _Chris_ | Now TDE would had always so much work to do to stay up to date to all Qt5 changes. |
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| vita_cell | yeah,
like GNOME3, they do a lot of changes with every version, and I hate
that they keep breaking everything, and worse, 3rd party stuff, like
programs in zenity, gtk3, themes... |
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| _Chris_ | Running behind what Qt5's devs dream and ideas would be. |
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| vita_cell | I
am migrating to TDE, I always liked xfce4, but now they ported
everything to gtk3 (which I hate), and they are removing any gtk2
compatibility |
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| _Chris_ | So
TQt3 isn't perfect. But TDE devs know it, users too. Possible to add
and change something just if someone want, that would be much more bad,
if Qt5 were used and out of control. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, they did that for Mate too. |
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| _Chris_ | I
would be more happy if Mate team would have ported and maintained a
GTK2 fork. I think a lot of people would be happy about that. |
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| vita_cell | I prefer stable things, that improve but not change or break compatibility. I think backward compatitibility is a must |
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| vita_cell | and yes I think too, TDE must to stick with TQt3 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
than you will be happy about TDE, but you have to accept that doing all
itself can have some drawbacks too. So change is not done very fast.
For most people that is a good thing. |
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| vita_cell | but still, it is better than breaking stuff, programs, themes... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes.
But you have to see, today open source is not... open source back in
the days. You see that if you see how much love were got into themes
back in the days. Most of this was done by hobby. |
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| _Chris_ | And there was the know that this work can last more than a decade. |
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| _Chris_ | Today change is so fast, that people don't want to work on something, because all this breakage of APIs is so bad. |
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| _Chris_ | Today often big companies and money is behind projects. Free software still, but often no really under control. |
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| vita_cell | I
was making a theme for xfce, and asked for some help in xfce IRC, and
they said that I should stop, because they are dropping gtk2. So, I
stopped using xfce and making themes |
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| _Chris_ | You
see that if you look at Android. So much changes and so on, you can't
even read all that code and understand it fully, before next release is
here. Just a theoretically example. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, how sad that is. |
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| _Chris_ | I think that is very demotivating for private people doing things by fun and heart. |
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| vita_cell | but at least in Android you can install the apps for different versions |
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| _Chris_ | So
from a dev point of view, TDE could be a very good base to make
something great, which can last a very long time, with very slight
changes needed. |
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| vita_cell | I
never developed for GNU/Linux because as you said "Today change is so
fast, that people don't want to work on something, because all this
breakage of APIs is so bad" |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but Android is a very big field. Compatibility libs and such things,
It's very bad. I just hope there will be good alternatives. |
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| _Chris_ | I
have seen some open source projects nearly vanishing for their
community, because they just doesn't thought about social component. |
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| vita_cell | I
did some huge script in bash for managing cron, for comfortable use I
put zenity as frontend, and well, it worked fine on my distro, but in
other distros it looks completely broken. So I stopped developing for
GNU/Linux, because of breackage |
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| _Chris_ | phpBB2 forum software for example. There was back than in 2005 such a big community. |
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| vita_cell | why it vanished? |
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| _Chris_ | And
people all over the world made MODs. With version 3 they introduced all
to make modules, more API, more to learn to start with, more
automatically, more abstraction. Today that is vanishing. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
every version, there was too much change, and it was too much to learn.
You need to learn so much about so much abstraction. |
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| _Chris_ | That was going in the trend like today all websites are using so much JS. |
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| vita_cell | changes
are bad if it breaks compatibility with previous applications, no one
obviously wants to rewrite their programs at every version release |
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| _Chris_ | People
use big frameworks, just to do things, which you could do with some
lines of code on you own. But often the maintaince burden will be to
stay with the API changes of the framework than. |
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| _Chris_ | Because
of this it is not possible to port phpbb3.1 or so to newest PHP7.
Because they now use symfonie framework today. Because you would need to
port the whole framework to PHP7. phpbb2 still works with newester
php7.3, with slightest changes. |
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| vita_cell | frameworks?
everyday here is a new alpha/beta quality framework coming. I developed
with Simfony framework, a lot of effort just to start a new project.
They release new versions and they break completely you prevous app |
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| _Chris_ | So they question is: Was it worth to trash all the own code, to be like other projects and get so much abstraction? Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. So you know about what I talk. |
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| vita_cell | ahhhhh and look at Python2.7 |
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| _Chris_ | No one says that frameworks don't make sense. But for some things... you simply are better not to use them. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I just hope there will be some fork of Python 2.7. |
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| _Chris_ | Because - SuperKaramba applets often use Python 2.7 code in TDE. |
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| vita_cell | I really hate it, because I won't port my app (which I programmed with so much effort) to every new release of symfony |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, so hobby programmers just and up with fixing and fixing and fixing to let the application still work. |
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| _Chris_ | And the fun to make it better is gone away. |
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| vita_cell | and huh god, thanks I not programmed anything with Python |
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| _Chris_ | Look for xcdroast. This was done in 1998 and still works (GTK2). |
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| vita_cell | I hate Microsoft, but they did much better job with backward compatibility, just amazing job |
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| _Chris_ | And the dev doesn't work on it nearly 10 years, but started to work on it a year ago. No problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, a lof of old applications and games for Windows 98 for example, still work in newest windows. |
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| _Chris_ | Windows XP, or maybe Windows 7 was such a sweet spot in development, I talked about. |
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| vita_cell | "And the fun to make it better is gone away" Today the target is to make "newer" but not "better" or "improved" |
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| _Chris_ | After that, they had nothing to do, I think and started to work on... shit. |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe you would be happy to know TDE can work or there is the goal to make it to work also under *BSD and Solaris. |
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| denk | would
you like to run that old game? You should add tis patch that revert a
patch that fixed that bug that allowed to use freed memory... |
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| denk | that is MS |
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| _Chris_ | So if Linux went to bad route... there will be a alterantive target. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is another aspect. True. |
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| _Chris_ | *alternative |
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| _Chris_ | Also people try to use TDE with musl too, but there isn't really feedback until now. |
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| vita_cell | denk what I mean, I still can run things like Unteal Tournament 1999 in Windoze10 |
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| _Chris_ | I still run it on Linux today. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But,
at the moment it is crashing, because I have deactivated some support
for old bins in the kernel, I think. Needs more investigation. :-) |
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| vita_cell | Unreal Tournament 1999 crashes when I am in game and start to play (in Wine obviously) |
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| denk | I have not played games since ms dos |
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| _Chris_ | There is a native version, from what I still know. |
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| * denk is too old for that |
| _Chris_ | Also there is a brand new Linux client for old unreal, which is native. |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| vita_cell | Native version for 2004 UT, but 1999? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I am not very into it, some years ago that I installed that, but there is. |
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| _Chris_ | But it will run too fast, you need some alternative rendering lib for it to fix that or deactivate CPU speed switching. |
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| vita_cell | hope TDE neved go to "deprecating way" like GNOME or KDE, breaking everything |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.debian.org/Games/UT99 |
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| _Chris_ | I don't think so, vita_cell. At least now there are no motivations to do that. |
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| vita_cell | I remember that I played that game when I was like 11-12 years old |
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| vita_cell | better to slow improve than breaking and deprecating |
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| _Chris_ | And original unreal: https://www.oldunreal.com/oldunrealpatches.html
-> There is a more or less new Linux native version patch. But I am
not into that since a long time. I just have it still installed at one
machine. |
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| _Chris_ | But some things are not so easy. Kerry for example, which is a beable frontend. |
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| _Chris_ | Beable
is not maintained anymore and is using mono and if you want to preserve
that, TDE would need to maintaine whole mono. So there is anything
which can be done. |
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| vita_cell | wow, it is better to port it maybe, than maintaining mono |
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| _Chris_ | Or the TDE syncing framework. Which used opensync, which can't run on modern systems and is replaced by something new. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe just the GUI can be re-used and the name, but use a newer framework for that. |
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| denk | does somebody want to port nodejs to sparc? :) |
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| _Chris_ | There was the idea to use "tracker". |
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| _Chris_ | Denk is porting TDE to another system than Linux for example. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | How was it called exactly? I forgot about. :-( |
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| SlavekB | DilOS |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, exactly. Right. |
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| SlavekB | Debian + Solaris kernel. |
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| denk | +1 |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| vita_cell | but still Linux is only a kernel, so it must to be GNU/Linux |
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| vita_cell | so it is not "Linux" distro haha |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but you see, if something starts to be get very bad, TDE is a bit more
ready for alternatives to use. At least if the users want that. |
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| vita_cell | and what about to port TDE to GNU/Hurd? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I can also use *BSD kernel in Gentoo. |
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| vita_cell | and here is some GNU operating frankenstein system like GNU/Darwin (looks like kernel from Apple) |
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| _Chris_ | And there is someone working on Dragora Linux, who want's to build TDE with musl. |
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| _Chris_ | Why not? Choice is good. No one is forced. |
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| vita_cell | i agree |
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| _Chris_ | But,
if you see KDE5 or Gnome3/4 is hard depending on systemd and that is
not running at *BSD or some things like this. That is bad. |
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| vita_cell | yah, hate that forced dependency, also I don't like these desktops |
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| _Chris_ | Right. But for that code can be forked, which TDE did. |
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| vita_cell | and not every one wants to develop stuff for those desktops |
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| _Chris_ | But, there should be no wondering some people spread fud or negative things about TDE because they don't like to see that. |
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| vita_cell | usually those people think that TDE is somethig old, deprecated, bad working, obsolete... |
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| _Chris_ | Often that is because it is just written it is using deprecated Qt3. |
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| _Chris_ | And distributions don't like to hold that package, but they do it for Qt4 or Qt5, with all it's hundreds of components. |
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| vita_cell | also
here is a huge factor, that really only very few distros have TDE
desktop available for install from official repositories. The other way
is much more difficult |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, therefore... TDE just does nearly all that packaging work alone.. |
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| vita_cell | Install TDe it is not as easy to install xfce, lxde |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging |
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| vita_cell | so the packaging system is started |
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| _Chris_ | No, it started a decade ago already. |
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| _Chris_ | Or nearly. |
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| vita_cell | so it is still not ready |
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| _Chris_ | It's more a political reason to not include TDE into distributions. It's sad. |
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| _Chris_ | No, it works. But for Slakware, as for Gentoo, there is still no official project into TDE. |
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| vita_cell | political? because old? |
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| _Chris_ | Right. More or less. Qt3 is evil. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, points about security and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | But TDE users are no idiots... |
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| vita_cell | I don't really understand why everyone thinks that "newer=better" |
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| vita_cell | and I was using Arch for 2 years |
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| _Chris_ | Security
is today often a good thing to make the user unable to do something at
his own. Like Android phones, no rooting, just you are secure. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, haha, well, like SecureBoot |
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| _Chris_ | Arch removed 32 Bit support, and switched to systemd fully, so today I would never use it. |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| vita_cell | it is a hugely bad idea dropping 32 bits |
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| _Chris_ | There are reasons, yes, but if people want to use it. Hm. |
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| vita_cell | I got tyred with systemd, problems everywhere, and I must to use systemctl command just for everything |
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| _Chris_ | For projects like Ubuntu, with big building servers, that would be no problem to still support that, I think. |
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| _Chris_ | Also good there is Devuan now. |
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| vita_cell | Ubuntu gone the full RedHat way |
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| _Chris_ | Devuan people also wanted or want to include TDE. |
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| vita_cell | it is a good distro |
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| _Chris_ | There is also some Devuan theme, or so. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: What country you are from? |
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| vita_cell | I am from Spain, but born in Soviet Union |
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| _Chris_ | I ask, because maybe you could help to translate TDE, if you like. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I speak russian too |
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| vita_cell | I can |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
that's good. I often had problems to translate or fix translation
strings in russion language, so maybe I can ask you something sometimes. |
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| vita_cell | but I also wanted to learn more C (or C++ which I never touched) |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/ |
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| _Chris_ | You simply can register some account and you can translate and your commits will be pushed very quickly. :-) |
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| vita_cell | I can help with Castilian (which is usually named as "spanish"), and Russian |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that would be good. But to start with that, it would be good to get a
feeling how your language is used in TDE. So looking at the way other
strings were translated in TDE in your language. So the translation is
consistent. |
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| vita_cell | one
thing that is great, is that I can contribute and very probably my work
will not be trashed away like happens in KDE or GNOME |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/languages/ru/ |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. Most more likely it is that TDE would die before your work dies. Okay, we will not think that way now. :-) |
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| vita_cell | "Exactly.
Most more likely it is that TDE would die before your work dies. Okay,
we will not think that way now. :-)" that is great lol |
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| _Chris_ | So
if you application works and stays, it could be included within TDE and
maybe you could get your own bugtracker in TGW for issues or something
like that. |
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| _Chris_ | And at least you don't have to fear API changes all the day. If so you will have a lot of time to adopt. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_
I always want to develop for GNU/Linux, but what I learnt in school is
.NET (C#,visual basic), JS, Java, Andoird java, HTML. But I don't like
them |
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| vita_cell | *wanted |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, because target today is to use abstraction. |
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| _Chris_ | In theory that is fine. |
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| _Chris_ | But if you see Java.. |
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| _Chris_ | Very much bloat for doing simple things. |
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| vita_cell | so
I started with C which I like. But graphics gui toolkits in GNU/Linux
it is a mess, and if I do an effort I don't want someone to breaking my
program, deprecating or something else with newer (breaking) releases |
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| vita_cell | I just hate Java, is a pain in the ass, also javascript (which is different) |
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| _Chris_ | Android
needs some quadcore CPU and beeing better than my workstation at home,
to display one single app, for doing simple things. |
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| vita_cell | "Android
needs some quadcore CPU and beeing better than my workstation at home,
to display one single app, for doing simple things." that is true, and
things like iOs it much better things (I think) |
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| vita_cell | *did |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, from that point of view, iOS is better. |
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| _Chris_ | But it has other problems. |
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| vita_cell | Proprietary and completely closed and castrated, but better |
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| _Chris_ | Android died for me with Android 5. |
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| vita_cell | I am using Android 5 (LG G3) |
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| vita_cell | what are you using now? |
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| _Chris_ | When they introduced their new "design language". I have seen what route they will be going that time. |
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| _Chris_ | Android Kitkat, own modification, more or less. But only for simple things. Alternatives will come, I hope. |
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| vita_cell | but at least in Android I can activate 3rd party stuff, and download *.apk from anywhere I want and isntall it |
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| vita_cell | alternative maybe Librem phone |
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| vita_cell | looks like it is running a true GNU/Linux (not some castrated frankenstein) |
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| _Chris_ | G00gle
isn't stupid. but users open. They are happy when G00gle introduced
policity right management for every app, but in reality, normal users
are spamed with all kind of questions, like accepting any contracts and
so and they just don't read and click on "yes" and "okay" and "allow".
Freedoms which G00gle was knowing a lot of people will never use,
because if you are always fired with this kind of questions, you don't
think about |
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| _Chris_ | them in near time. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but often you have the problem of ARM and mali GPU and drivers, needing
closed source blob files and so on, at least for some phones. |
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| vita_cell | ahh damn DRM in newer Androids? |
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| _Chris_ | If you want to say that this way, yes. |
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| vita_cell | nobody will read a huge EULA |
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| _Chris_ | You could buy you a Neo900 or something like that. You can search for that. |
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| _Chris_ | But it needs people to create some basis or platform to that ot use like a real smartphone. |
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| vita_cell | hope Librem phone come to the market |
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| _Chris_ | I never read and thought about that phone things since a year or so and don't know what progress they made. |
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| vita_cell | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Librem-5-In-Use-Video |
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| _Chris_ | "The Librem 5 is powered by an i.MX8 quad-core SoC" |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe we can get some phone mode for TDE and get that running on it. :-) |
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| vita_cell | so good or bad? |
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| _Chris_ | No, all okay, it's just interesting to see what ressources some phones have today. |
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| vita_cell | Ubuntu failed to do that (dont know why) |
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| vita_cell | phones with fast processors and 999 cores, needed for run bloatware and Java |
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| _Chris_ | My workstation here uses dualcore and I don't need a quadcore here. It would be nice, but I can still compile my owl system. |
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| vita_cell | I
always say that if you want to a lean and fast GNOME3 (without
JavaScripts and all other bloatware), just take their i9 with 999gb or
RAM off, and give them Pentium 4 with 256mb of RAM, they will release
only fast and lean software |
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| mutantturkey | morning guys |
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| mutantturkey | SlavekB: might have a few patches for KMail in a bit |
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| mutantturkey | jesus, i just tried to use a GTK3/Gnome pdf viewer |
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| mutantturkey | evince |
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| mutantturkey | like they just removed all the opptions and made menus and shit hard to use |
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| mutantturkey | why |
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| vita_cell | because GNOME, they like to do that |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| vita_cell | breaking and castrating the stuff, is their goal |
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| _Chris_ | World is going bad. |
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| vita_cell | and modern software developing gone cancer |
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| _Chris_ | Evince I used more than 10 years ago under Gnome2. |
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| SlavekB | Mutantturkey, you can create an account on TGW and when I add you to the Contributors team, you can create pull requests :) |
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| mutantturkey | hm |
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| mutantturkey | fatal: unable to access 'http://system@scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde-common-admin/': The requested URL returned error: 503 |
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| vita_cell | hmmm,
one question, as I migrated to TDE from Xfce4, in Xfce4 I had keyboard
language layout switcher on the panel, do I have something like that in
TDE? |
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| vita_cell | because I don't have russian keyboard, I always type with a virtual keyboard |
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| SlavekB | mutantturkey, yes, SCM has run out of resources again and is not working. |
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| SlavekB | For git repositories it is better to use mirror => Trinity Gitea Workspace (TGW). |
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| mutantturkey | what is scm? |
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| mutantturkey | is that why the patches pages is broken too? |
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| mutantturkey | (i did clone from gittea i think) |
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| SlavekB | SCM is git server on current primary site. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Hm, in kicker applet, I don't know. But you can do that from TCC. |
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| mutantturkey | ok |
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| SlavekB | ...and because SCM is now not working, CGIT on primary site is unuseable and also commit list on primary si empty. |
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| mutantturkey | can i just update my submodule urls? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you can simple update url in submodules. |
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| mutantturkey | to |
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| mutantturkey | fatal: unable to access 'http://system@scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde-common-admin/': The requested URL returned error: 503 |
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| mutantturkey | sorry |
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| mutantturkey | the relevant cmake module |
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| SlavekB | BTW, patches list is also available on mirror: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| _Chris_ | That is the scm. |
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| mutantturkey | is it this |
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| mutantturkey | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-common-cmake.git |
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| mutantturkey | ? |
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| SlavekB | you can replace from http://system@scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/ to https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/ |
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| mutantturkey | yes i have that now cool |
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| SlavekB | submodule names are identical, just change the beginning of the URL :) |
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| mutantturkey | cool. |
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| mutantturkey | tmoc not found |
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| mutantturkey | i think i need to adjust my paths here. |
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| vita_cell | can someone help me if I make an applet for switching keyboard layout? and well I have no idea how to start |
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| vita_cell | or maybe port xfce4 layout switcher to Tqt3 maybe it is a better idea |
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| SlavekB | You can enable applet for switching keyboard in TCC. |
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| SlavekB | Next to this, in repository is application kkbswitch. |
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| vita_cell | thanks SlavekB found it, but somehow keys dont work for switching layout |
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| SlavekB | By default is configured Ctrl+Alt+K. |
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| vita_cell | no, it doesnt switch |
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| vita_cell | even that combination |
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| vita_cell | where are the screen reader binaries? |
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| mutantturkey | vita_cell: hm, there might be some other keycombination you need to setup then |
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| mutantturkey | screen reader binaries? probably /opt/trinity/bin or where your other binaries are |
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| mutantturkey | typically if you know the name of the binary you can type |
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| mutantturkey | which programname |
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| mutantturkey | and it will tell you |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I tryed some of them, but still it doesnt switch the layout (only clicking with mouse on it) |
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| mutantturkey | calvin@bison:~$ which firefox |
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| mutantturkey | /usr/bin/firefox |
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| mutantturkey | like so |
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| mutantturkey | sounds like an issue with the shortcut |
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| mutantturkey | SlavekB: okay cool i can build |
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| mutantturkey | but now... well make des nothing lol |
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| vita_cell | if an app crashes in TDE, it asks me for send report, so I send it, does this report goes to TDE devs? |
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| vita_cell | what is libkttsd_stringreplacerplugin.so? |
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| vita_cell | trying to configure a working text to speech, but TCC keep crashing when I click on reader button |
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| vita_cell | http://dpaste.com/0RYHSRQ |
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| vita_cell | if someone suggest a fix or workaround, I can test it |
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| mutantturkey | im not sure |
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| vita_cell | Guys what is "Control Center" in TDE? TCC? |
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| vita_cell | so is TCC=Trinity Control Center? |
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| Chris__ | Right. :-) |
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| vita_cell | Chris__
I have a question about translations, translations to spanish or
russian are different, and it depends of context of english quote, your
translate can differentiate much. |
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| vita_cell | "
The control center module could not find the GTK2-TQt theme engine in
its list of search paths. If you have installed it elsewhere,
you will need to add the correct path to the list below." |
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| vita_cell | so the "control center module" of what? TCC? |
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| Chris__ | The
control center module of.. kcm... I don't find the name at the moment,
but for setting this GTK2/3 settings, there is a own TCC module. A own
page. And it is for setting up the way GTK2/GTK3 applications look
within TDE. |
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| vita_cell | I just can translate with right quotes, but in other languages it can differ from the main context |
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| Chris__ | And
you are write about the first part. Therefore you need to learn how
things were done in the language for what you translate. You can search
in Weblate for same strings already translated. |
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| vita_cell | and well, is always better to know what we talking about |
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| Chris__ | Okay, the context for what you quoted above is: |
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| Chris__ | You
are in the TCC and click the module for setting up GTK2/GTK3 theming
within TDE, BUT, why ever, the theming engines for doing this are not
present. |
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| Chris__ | So for people getting that message, it is clear about what module we are talking. |
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| vita_cell | can we call "TCC" as "Control Panel" like in Windows? |
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| vita_cell | And the name "Trinity" is transcribed or translated? |
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| Chris__ | By the way, just you understand: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/gtk-qt-engine/src/branch/master/kcm_gtk |
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| Chris__ | Yes, that sounds more easy as it is. |
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| Chris__ | In German, for example, it is done different. Trinity always is written "TDE". |
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| Chris__ | Some languages just say "Control Center". |
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| Chris__ | It's done diffently by some translations. |
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| Chris__ | You will find that often. In Czech, for example. There is no word "desktop". |
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| Chris__ | As
you have seen simply translating is not as easy it first looks, if you
want to do it good. And it seems you want that, because you think twice
about things. That's very good! :-) |
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| vita_cell | So
can I call TCC as "Control Panel"? So can I translate is as in russian
Windows translation? Or maybe in russian I call it like "Trinity's
control panel" or "Trinity's control center"? or avoid "Trinity" word? |
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| Chris__ | But
let's say we would do what you suggested: That would mean to change the
original string and that would result that all translated strings would
be marked fuzzy. So the translations for that strings related to TCC
would use all the English (original) again. And TDE lacks translators.
So that would do more harm than gain, you see? |
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| vita_cell | if I just translate it as just "Control Center" the user might not understand about what control center we are talking about |
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| Chris__ | Yes,
you can. If you really want to take care of that translated version of
TDE, no one will block that. But please, take care that it is all more
or less consistent. And don't change too much. |
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| Chris__ | My
personal note here: Yes, he will know about what is the message, why?
Because this will be displayed only if you are into the control center
and click to the kcmgtk module. |
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| Chris__ | And this message is triggered only if the engine for doing what you set up in this control center module is NOT installed. |
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| vita_cell | So "Trinity" word is fine in "control center" quote |
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| Chris__ | Yes, you can let that in. |
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| Chris__ | About this message: |
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| Chris__ | "The
control center module could not find the GTK2-TQt theme engine in its
list of search paths. If you have installed it elsewhere, you
will need to add the correct path to the list below." |
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| vita_cell | ok, but, should I transcribe it to russian? or translate? or just type as is, just "Trinity"? |
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| Chris__ | The important thing about that message is more or less "module". |
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| vita_cell | translating "Trinity" it is not a good idea I think |
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| Chris__ | Because this specific module "kcmgtk" is having problems to find the engine, in this case. |
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| Chris__ | No, you can simply let that word in. Just add it as it was in the original string. |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| Chris__ | Or call it "TDE Control Center". Question would be more, how it was translated in other places, you know? |
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| Chris__ | Just setup TDE in the language you use and start the control center and read how it was done in other places. |
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| vita_cell | yes, I thougt about other places |
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| Chris__ | In German it was "Trinity-Kontrollzentrum", for example. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, that looks better |
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| Chris__ | But that was for German and it was done already, so I just re-used that in all other places. |
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| vita_cell | huh, found a new bug, in keyboard layout switcher applet |
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| Chris__ | Often
you can't translate absolutely word by word, because it feels not right
in the language you translate to. For example. English translation of
TDE often use "!" at the end of messages. That looks too aggressiv in
German and it is simply replaced by using a "." instead. That way it was
translated to KDE3 times already. |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: You can also register here: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/ |
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| Chris__ | And this way, you can open issues and report problems. :-) |
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| vita_cell | nice |
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| Chris__ | That is TGW (TDE Gitea Workplace). |
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| Chris__ | Here is an example what it looks like. |
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| Chris__ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/gtk-qt-engine/issues/3 |
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| vita_cell | reminds me Github |
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| Chris__ | As you see, TDE follows a structure how the code is organized. |
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| Chris__ | Exactly. |
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| vita_cell | шеэы пкуфе |
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| Chris__ | It is some Github only for TDE. But not under control of third party. |
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| vita_cell | it's great |
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| vita_cell | yeah, it a must |
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| Chris__ | (Y) |
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| Chris__ | TDE team did a lot to be not dependent on other services. So self-hosted Weblate and Gitea. |
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| Chris__ | By the way. If you already have translated something, you can see your commits here in one or two days: |
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| Chris__ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| Chris__ | Your name and your email is to add your name and your email. Don't translate that simply. :-) |
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| vita_cell | the best thing is that I can make an effort, and this effort will not be deprecated soon, like in things like GNOME3 |
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| Chris__ | Exactly.
You can just learn, no one will blame you. You can start also with
simple fixes or something like that. Are you used to GIT? |
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| Chris__ | And are your Slackware build scripts using latest master branch? |
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| Chris__ | Because, if so, that would be nice. This way you could always fetch what you have done and review it. |
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| Chris__ | I do it this way in Gentoo. |
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| vita_cell | look,
I did some fixes in gtk2 applications, and some of them are not
maintained. But as it will be deprecated soon, I just did fixes for
myself. So, for me it doesn't worth the effort if someone will break or
deprecate my work |
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| Chris__ | Yes, that is very, very sad and I know what you mean. |
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| vita_cell | Yeah
I did. but GIT is too confusing me (here is no friendly and good
working GUI). I always prefered to administrate my programs manually,
because I see what I am doing |
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| Chris__ | Yes, we use GIT command line. There is a page. |
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| vita_cell | I
don't know what scripts. I just use Slackware64-14.2, which supposed to
be stable, the rolling release one is Slackware-current |
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| Chris__ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| vita_cell | GIT is just confusing me with a lot of exotics commands, it is uncomfortable without GUI |
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| Chris__ | If you click on "About TDE", what version you get? |
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| Chris__ | Hm,
yes. But you need to learn about it, to really contribute. Might be
that you can simply add PRs also with editing within TGW, but better
would be to learn about GIT. It isn't as complicated for the most part
as you think. |
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| vita_cell | R14.0.6 |
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| Chris__ | Okay, so you are using stable. |
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| Chris__ | R14.1.x is the dev branch. |
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| vita_cell | yes, stable. Don't like someone breaking my working stuff |
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| vita_cell | anyway
I don't think that reporting 14.0.6 bugs is bad, I can report, and if
it is already solved in the dev branch, someone just can close it |
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| vita_cell | not? |
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| Chris__ | No
problem. That said, I am using R14.1.x and it is stable too. Because
there are not any real breaking changes. Only if someone works on
something to change and it is not ready, but normaly that is not done,
because first there is a review. |
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| Chris__ | No, that is absolutely fine. |
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| Chris__ | It will be fixed than in the stable and dev branch. |
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| Chris__ | By the way: Translations are also getting to stable. :-) |
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| vita_cell | it
is still a much better thing maintaining compatibility than breaking
any stuff, TDE can differ from other desktops environments |
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| Chris__ | Here you can see latest changes/commits for work which was pushed to TDE. |
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| Chris__ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| Chris__ | Your name will show up there, if the newest Weblate translations are merged. |
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| Chris__ | Look for "Heimen Stoffels", he has done that for Dutch. |
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| Chris__ | If
you like and if I and you have some time these days and you have some
simple change you could commitm, just for testing or so, I would help
you with GIT to make your first PR. Just an offer. |
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| vita_cell | great |
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| vita_cell | just now I am translating random things, yeah things like gtk-qt-engine |
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| Chris__ | That's
a good thing anyway. To hold some overview I would start with some
applications or components which are nearly 100% and just lacks some
translations. So you can translate component by component. But just play
a bit. |
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| Chris__ | You will see, the way the structure is done in Weblate, the same way the code of TDE will be organized. |
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| Chris__ | So gtk-qt-engine Weblate component, also have: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/gtk-qt-engine/ for the code. |
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| Chris__ | And there are PRs and issues for this component. |
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| Chris__ | And,
you can look at the code there. The strings are extracted from the code
files and imported into Weblate for make them able to translate from
that. |
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| Chris__ | gtk-qt-engine
should be better name gtk2-qt-engine, because there is also some for
GTK3. But as you have noticed, there is already some issue opened about
this. But that needs to be tested first to change that. |
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| vita_cell | how much developers Trinity has? |
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| vita_cell | (not translators) |
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| Chris__ | A good hand full. Some are not always activate. Very dependent. |
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| Chris__ | But you can look at TGW for contributors, which are at TGW. |
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| Chris__ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/explore/users |
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| Chris__ | TGW is more or less new. |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| vita_cell | "If
you have installed it elsewhere, you will need to add the correct path
to the list below." what is the "below list"? is it something like
"bottom list" or "lower list? |
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| Chris__ | You will get that message in a dialog and in this dialog there will be a list. |
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| Chris__ | Under the message. |
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| Chris__ | Below means the position of the list. |
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| vita_cell | understood |
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| vita_cell | after I done, should I just save it or suggest? |
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| Chris__ | You have created your account already? |
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| Chris__ | Than you can save. |
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| vita_cell | yes, in weblate |
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| vita_cell | so I already translated the quote |
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| Chris__ | Suggesting means your name don't show up and someone has to look for your changes. |
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| Chris__ | Wonderful! :-) |
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| vita_cell | save? |
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| Chris__ | Yes, save. |
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| vita_cell | "Модуль
центрального управления Trinity не смог найти мотор тем GTK-TQt в своём
поисковом списке директорий. Если вы его установили в другом месте, то
вам понадобится добавить правильную директорию в нижнем списе." |
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| vita_cell | that is the quote |
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| Chris__ | Yes, only that I can't understood that. It will be right, at least it will be better than before (blank). |
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| vita_cell | russian is a true pain to translate for someone not born in Russia, lol |
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| vita_cell | much better than blank, lol |
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| Chris__ | I
often had problems with your language, when doing a bulk of KDE to TDE
fixes in source strings and fixing the translations, because lack of
translators. |
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| vita_cell | Google translate it very very bad, maybe just enought for understand |
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| Chris__ | No, I just mean, no worries it will be wrong or something like that. You can always fix it up and make it better. |
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| Chris__ | And surely, you will review things if you learn. I did that too. |
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| vita_cell | English is just simple |
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| Chris__ | The thing is, maybe you noticed already: Some parts of applications are untranslated and English, right? |
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| vita_cell | and well, how to translate "Ok", because it means "zero killed", LoL |
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| vita_cell | so OK will be "OK" I think |
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| Chris__ | This
is, because if the source string, the English string was changed, the
already translated strings will be marked as "fuzzy", so translation
will be ignored and English translation will be used. At this point
someone needs to review the translation again, so it is not fuzzy. |
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| Chris__ | Yes, I think that will be OK, but look for other places if it is done that way. |
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| Chris__ | Weblate shows you in a tab other translations of this text. |
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| vita_cell | hmmm
I see "Sergio Cambra García" some personal names in gtk-qt-engine,
should I transcribe or just leave it original? or not to translate? |
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| Chris__ | Sometimes
translations are stupid. Sometimes dev names were used to translate.
Right way would be to change that, but what would be often too much
work. So simply copy-paste the name as it is in English. |
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| vita_cell | LOL I see "Sergio Cambra García" as "Понасенков Виктор" wtf? |
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| vita_cell | in translation! |
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| vita_cell | even, it is not transcribed |
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| Chris__ | Same
for some strings will will never be displayed to some user, like:
"SensorsCFGTab". That is only some internal, which can be copied like in
the source string. |
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| Chris__ | Can you sent me the weblate link? |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| vita_cell | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/applications/gtk-qt-engine/ru/?type=all |
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| vita_cell | it is just the first |
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| Chris__ | Is that a name, or what it means? |
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| vita_cell | Yes |
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| vita_cell | but it is something really strange |
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| Chris__ | Because, this first field is for writing down the translators name. |
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| Chris__ | Why? |
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| Chris__ | So, if you translate that component, you can add a "," and your name too. |
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| vita_cell | You can not translate names, only to transcribe |
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| Chris__ | And in next, your email, you add "," and your email. |
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| Chris__ | Okay, you can fix that up, so the name is displayed right, if you like. |
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| vita_cell | but "Sergio Cambra García" no way can be "Понасенков Виктор" as transcribe |
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| Chris__ | But it's only the name of someone who has translated, maybe 10 years ago, keep that in mind. |
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| Chris__ | What means that then? |
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| Chris__ | The dev of the application doesn't have to be the translator. |
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| vita_cell | it shows "spanish","original",and "translate", the 3 thing are too much different |
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| Chris__ | I can't follow you. :-) |
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| vita_cell | I just don't understand if I should fix that or what, lol |
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| Chris__ | Google translate says me: Понасенков Виктор = Ponasenkov Victor |
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| Chris__ | And if you see next. |
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| Chris__ | His email: vitecx@xxx.com |
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| vita_cell | Original:"Your names" string it is not = "Sergio Cambra García" or "Понасенков Виктор" |
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| vita_cell | google is right, because google transcribed it (not translated) |
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| vita_cell | in that case |
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| Chris__ | Your name is for the name of the translator. |
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| vita_cell | might it be some automatic translation? |
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| Chris__ | I don't know. I had my problems with RU to fix some things. :-) |
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| Chris__ | But for me, that your names and your emails fields look right. |
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| Chris__ | At least if you do it this way in RU, to use no "normal" chars for names. |
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| Chris__ | I think you can simply let this two fields stay that way. |
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| Chris__ | For
example, the third entry: "gtk2-tqt-engine" can stay that way. But I
don't know it needs to be transcribed in RU or have to stay that way as
it was. |
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| vita_cell | no, definitely you should not to transcribe it |
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| Chris__ | Just I understand that too: Why? |
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| vita_cell | but I don't know if I should copy paste it to translate field, or just leave blank in this case |
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| Chris__ | TDE, for example. Often was transcribed, but sometimes not. It was very confusing. I always let it the way it was. |
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| Chris__ | No, better is to copy-paste it. Because only this way you can get 100% for that component. |
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| Chris__ | Also,
that is not as bad as you think. Because if I or someone need to change
that, we can change it for every language with some script. |
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| Chris__ | I just wanted to show you I did the same for German, but just noticed, that component was not done by me until now. :-) |
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| vita_cell | it
is better to transcribe "Trinity" why? because every (only russian
speaking) person can read it. But translate "Trinity" will be a problem.
Look at Windows, you transcribe it because it is a name of an operating
system, so a person can read the transcribed "Windows", imagine you
translate "Windows", LOL |
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| Chris__ | No, Trinity is nothing for translating. |
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| vita_cell | so I think that every name should be transcribed, or at least left it as is |
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| Chris__ | Okay, good to know that. I did it this way for every TDE. I transcribed, but not translated. |
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| vita_cell | "No,
better is to copy-paste it. Because only this way you can get 100% for
that component." this is fine too, but if you transcribe it, you can
make the reading person be able to read it (if this person can not read
latin alphabet) |
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| vita_cell | every name of anything should be transcribed, I think never translated |
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| Chris__ | So, yes. That is the reason this strings, also if often just copy-pasted, can be translated/transcribed anyway. |
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| Chris__ | Good we talk about that. So copyrights have also a reason to be able to translate/transcribe. |
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| Chris__ | Often
you find translations which need a edit, because the source string was
at some point changed while coding and someone has to verify it is still
valid, or he/she/it needs to fix it up, to be consistent and right
again. |
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| vita_cell | "Emacs Keyboard Shortcuts" it is Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts or Keyboard shortcuts for Emacs? |
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| Chris__ | When
KDE3 branding was replaced while forking, back in 2010 or so by a
script, all the source strings holding some "KDE" were changed to "TDE".
But that was not done in translation files for all the languages. The
result was, that all translations affected by this were marked as fuzzy
and from this time on, they were simply shown in English for users. You
will maybe find a lof of such examples in RU, which you should fix. :-) |
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| Chris__ | Hm, very good question. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I want to translate it properly, lol |
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| Chris__ | Yes, let me think about that. |
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| vita_cell | Emac's shorcuts? ot shortcuts for Emacs? |
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| vita_cell | so OF or FOR |
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| vita_cell | of Emacs or for Emacs |
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| Chris__ | Wait a moment. |
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| Chris__ | Please. |
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| vita_cell | do not hurry, lol |
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| Chris__ | There is a trick. |
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| Chris__ | Just click on next, and you will get shown: |
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| Chris__ | "These keyboard shortcuts are useful for Emacs users." |
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| Chris__ | "When enabled, they will override the standard keyboard shortcuts in GTK applications." |
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| vita_cell | so "shortcuts for Emacs" |
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| Chris__ | This is something to learn. Often, you get the context from other translations in the component. |
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| vita_cell | it is better to translate from russian to english, because english is much simplier |
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| Chris__ | Why not simply transcribe "Emacs Keyboard Shortcuts" it is? |
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| Chris__ | But
yes, that is the freedom we talked about. If you think it would be
better and more clear, call it "Keyboard Shortcuts for Emacs". |
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| Chris__ | But
there is another point you should think about. Often it is good to
review what you translated in real application, to look if some strings
are maybe too long and don't fit. |
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| Chris__ | I don't think that will be a problem here. Just for reference. |
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| vita_cell | it is harder for me, because I don't know what to run for see these dialogs |
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| Chris__ | Yes, often that is a problem. |
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| Chris__ | But that was a good example of freedom of translation, you quoted now. |
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| vita_cell | but, yes, idea you suggested, is better because you see what it is and what to do |
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| Chris__ | Yes, therefore I said you will review and fix up things anyway most likely. |
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| Chris__ | You can build also R14.0.7, which is stable but stable-testing. |
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| Chris__ | This way, you can contribute translations, rebuild and already see and test them. |
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| Chris__ | So better R14.0.x, next stable release. |
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| TomTheDragon | Has anyone experienced issues like this in any configuration? https://imgur.com/a/2ePrSc0 |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon:
Yes, to be honest. Yes. Interesting. There was someone some weeks ago
showing that. But, might be you was that person? |
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| vita_cell | TomTheDragon looks like tearing, does it blink? |
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| vita_cell | I had no problem like that |
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| Chris__ | But the exact same thing was shown here already. |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, I mentioned it a few weeks earlier |
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| TomTheDragon | vita_cell, it's not really tearing. no issue like that on what configuration? |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: Okay, so that one is still a problem. Hm. |
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| vita_cell | on x86 + R14.0.6 is fine for me. Never happened to me |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, something was changed regarding that? |
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| TomTheDragon | vita_cell, this armhf + R14.0.7 |
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| TomTheDragon | only using GPU accel |
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| Chris__ | No
that I know. But, I also have rendering problems. But different ones,
only at one of my machines, always had. Only under TDE. I don't know
why, and never came about to open some issue about them. |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, what system? x86 with nvidia, intel, or amd? |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: The konversation screenshot looks a bit like the rendering issues I have in KSpread, for example. |
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| Chris__ | x86, radeon. |
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| Chris__ | Does it change if you maximize and minimize? Because it does for me. |
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| Chris__ | The cells are messed up for me and if I scroll, it looks like your screenshot. |
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| Chris__ | It might be the same source of problem. |
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| TomTheDragon | anything that redraws the screen fixes it |
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| TomTheDragon | and scrolling makes that happen |
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| Chris__ | Exaxtly. |
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| Chris__ | Very interesting. |
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| TomTheDragon | kspread seems unaffected |
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| TomTheDragon | interestingly |
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| Chris__ | Konversation for me too, interestinly. |
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| TomTheDragon | I'm kind of glad it's not limited to arm or the vc4 |
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| Chris__ | Maybe that is worth to open an issue. |
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| Chris__ | Until now I thought it is only some problem of my machine. Bad VRAM or I don't know. |
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| TomTheDragon | means it's a bit more of a priority, I could imagine. probably worth opening an issue |
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| Chris__ | For me, in KSpread, also desktop icons are showing in the cells, until I redraw that. So that part get's fixed. |
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| Chris__ | I will open some issue tomorrow about that and add that screenshot if that is okay for you and log too. |
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| TomTheDragon | as a note I'm using Raspbian, not Debian proper. mainly because they have the latest Mesa/X |
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| Chris__ | Okay, I add that, but I don't think that is related. Because I have that problem too, since two years already.. |
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| Chris__ | This reminds me on the rendering problems there were in libreoffice, if compiled with TDE support. |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, that'd be very helpful, thanks. do you happen to have glamor x11 acceleration enabled? |
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| Chris__ | No, I don't use glamor here. |
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| TomTheDragon | good to know. I have it enabled, doesn't seem to be a choice (turn it off, and I lose 3d outright) |
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| Chris__ | Oh, that sounds bad. |
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| vita_cell | Did you try to enable desktop compositor in TDE? |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: Maybe you are some genius. I use glamor. It seems xf86-video-ati needs it now too. Seems I have overseen that. |
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| Chris__ | That could be a interesting point to investigate. |
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| TomTheDragon | vita_cell, I've tried using the compositor |
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| vita_cell | Chris__ |
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| vita_cell | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/applications/gtk-qt-engine/ru/?type=all&offset=20 |
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| vita_cell | "Delete to end of line" what it tryes to do? |
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| vita_cell | maybe it delete something at the end of line? |
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| Chris__ | That is a shortcut. |
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| Chris__ | Try to press CRTL + Delete. |
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| Chris__ | And it will replace the last word. |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, I'm thinking at some point of trying gl4egl and switching back to fbdev/fbturbo |
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| Chris__ | From cursor position, it seems. Wasn't knowing that myself. |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: Interesting, never had the joy to test that. But would be interestinf, if you don't get problems. |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell:
Some good explaining for that would be: "This shortcut deletes text
starting from the cursor to the end of the current line of text." |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, probably would not be an option on ati video drivers (and fbturbo is ARM only) |
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| Chris__ | Just a side note: You would had better started with some more easy component for translating, but it's good if you get that too. |
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| Chris__ | Yes, I know, I have read that already. Interestingly, with nouveau and openchrome drivers, I don't get this problems. |
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| Chris__ | But if openchrome switches to use glamor, maybe that will start there too. |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, openchrome? haven't heard that name in a long while |
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| Chris__ | Yes, VIA thing. Unichrome IGP graphics. |
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| vita_cell | "Delete word, left" delete word from cursor to left? |
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| Chris__ | But
there is some dev working on old integrated graphic chipsets and make
them still or again to work. This works wonderful for using TDE. |
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| Chris__ | http://bracecomputerlab.com/ |
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| Chris__ | I
have some little Raspberry Pi version from back of the past. Was called
VIA Epia, mini ITX mainboads. This hold such chipsets, for example. |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: Good question again. |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: No, the former I wrote you, it will delete all what was behind the cursor. |
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| Chris__ | And it was CRTL + Delete. |
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| Chris__ | And this one should be CRTL + Backspace and should delete the world left, from the cursor. |
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| vita_cell | and "C&lose" ? |
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| vita_cell | is this just "Close"? |
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| Chris__ | Let me see that. |
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| Chris__ | Oh, you ask me because of the "&"? |
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| Chris__ | That means the "l" will be used for the shortcut. |
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| Chris__ | So
the "&" comes before the letter which is used for the shortcut. If
the original string holds a shortcut, you should give the translation
also a shourtcut. |
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| Chris__ | But you should look that not two shortcuts with the same letter are used in the same dialog. |
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| vita_cell | So should I copy-paste it or what? |
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| Chris__ | This letter will be underlined displayed in the application. |
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| vita_cell | ahhh so cope-paste |
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| vita_cell | copy-paste |
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| Chris__ | I would translate it. |
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| Chris__ | And set the "&" before a letter which makes sense. |
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| vita_cell | Close is Закрыть, so don't really understand |
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| vita_cell | and russian keyboard layout is different |
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| Chris__ | Interesting fact.. |
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| Chris__ | But there are existing keyboard with that chars? |
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| Chris__ | You
said RU people can't read that, you you need to transcribe it and also
translate. It should not be copy-pasted, if you ask me. |
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| Chris__ | Normaly shortcuts should work also for RU. Otherwise you have to look how that is handled in other places. |
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| Chris__ | But the next entry is a good example about what I talked before. |
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| Chris__ | "Form2"
- This is only used more or less internal and is unlikely to be shown
to the end user in the GUI. So you can just copy-paste that, maybe you
can transcribe it. Yes, that would make sense. |
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| Chris__ | You
will notice, weblate will complain, if some string is just the same as
the source string. You can ignore that warning. This way, you will get
100% and will not get shown this warning again. |
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| vita_cell | looks |
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| vita_cell | look |
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| vita_cell | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/applications/gtk-qt-engine/ru/?type=all&offset=33 |
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| vita_cell | this translations it is not done by me, here it deletes "&" |
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| Chris__ | Yes, I see that. I need to ask Slavek about that. It don't look the right way for me. Shortcuts should work for RU too. |
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| vita_cell | looks like I can to omit "&" |
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| Chris__ | But more interestingly is, that is about what I talked before. |
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| Chris__ | You can see, this string is maked for edit/review. |
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| Chris__ | And because: The KDE was changed to TDE in the source string and GTK changed to GTK2. |
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| Chris__ | But the translation needs to be fixed to show reflect that too. :-) |
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| vita_cell | I am changing it right now |
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| Chris__ | Yes, maybe just omit it at first. |
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| vita_cell | "KDE" to "TDE" and GTK to GTK2 |
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| SlavekB | vita_cell, on Russian keyboard do you have corresponding characters in cyrillic on each key? |
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| SlavekB | So should there be no problem to put & before any character in Cyrillic? |
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| vita_cell | we have "C" and it sounds like "S", bit russian "C" is located at fortunatelly at the same layout key |
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| SlavekB | Yes, but if you used it for example &Закрыть, then the appropriate key should act as a shortcut? |
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| vita_cell | So translation will be like "C&Закрыть", and whole word "Закрыть"="Close" |
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| SlavekB | ie. Alt+З |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: Why the C before? |
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| vita_cell | because C means C key? not? |
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| Chris__ | Why you need C key? |
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| Chris__ | I translated Закрыть and that makes sense. |
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| vita_cell | "&Закрыть"? |
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| SlavekB | The
& character is used to indicate that the subsequent letter should
be underlined => used as shortcut when print the string into the GUI. |
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| Chris__ | Just add "&" before that = &Закрыть and it should be fine. So you can use "З" for the shortcut. |
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| vita_cell | so why "C" before "&", and not just "&Close"? |
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| Chris__ | Yes, why a C? |
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| Chris__ | Закрыть seems to be the right translation and transcription. |
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| SlavekB | Exactly, why "C&Закрыть" instead of "&Закрыть"? |
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| Chris__ | Oh, I think I know why he thinks that. |
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| vita_cell | I translated it as "&Закрыть" |
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| vita_cell | it reminds me Nano |
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| vita_cell | *because |
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| Chris__ | Yes. You don't have to follow that letter which was used in the original string. |
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| Chris__ | So it is just by random in the source string & was used before the C. |
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| SlavekB | In some languages, where characters are written in a complex way, I saw the use as follows: "(&C) Закрыть" |
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| vita_cell | what about this? |
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| vita_cell | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/applications/gtk-qt-engine/ru/?type=all&offset=34 |
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| vita_cell | it omits "&" |
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| Chris__ | Yes, as you see, it is also maked as to review/edit. |
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| SlavekB | You can use, for example: Использовать &другой стиль: |
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| Chris__ | Maybe that is some reason? |
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| Chris__ | I think, because I tranlated that and it was right, that was the reason it was marked. Because of the missing shortcut. |
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| SlavekB | Here
may be a simple rule: You can use & for shortcut to any character
that is typed by a single keystroke. For characters that need to be
typed with multiple keys (composed), these are not suitable for &. |
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| Chris__ | By the way: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/applications/gtk-qt-engine/ru/?checksum=5ba04a8867a7b251 that URL should be removed, it is not owned anymore by the person back in times. |
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| Chris__ | But you can copy-paste it now at first. At some point it should be removed completely. |
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| TomTheDragon | Chris__, you mean a single board computer in general? because Raspberry Pi has always been Broadcom |
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| SlavekB | For
example, on the Czech keyboard there is a character >č< which can
be used for shortcut. While the character >ó< should be written
as a composite key - first >´< followed by >o<, so it is not
applicable as shortcut. |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPIA |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: That was a time before ARM went mainstream. |
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| Chris__ | TomTheDragon: http://3a3efi1ddzlp2a1fxkq15lp1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/via-epia-n-series-nano-itx-board/VIA_EPIA_N-Series_Nano-ITX_board_image_angle.jpg |
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| TomTheDragon | I see |
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| vita_cell | translated |
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| TomTheDragon | everything seems ten times faster with glamor off... except of course, now I'm using llvmpipe |
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| _Chris_ | I
rebuild xf86-video-ati and xorg-server without glamor and the result
is, there is no change of this rendering problems we talked about. So it
seems glamor is not the reason. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ |
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| vita_cell | I think that it is done, still has warning, I dont know why |
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| vita_cell | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/translate/applications/gtk-qt-engine/ru/?type=all&offset=1 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you mean two entries are not green, right? |
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| vita_cell | yeah, some of them |
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| vita_cell | it complains |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/projects/applications/gtk-qt-engine/ru/ |
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| _Chris_ | You see two yellow/red entries? You can click on them. And you will notice some warning on the right hand side. |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | You
can click on the "x" to let it hide. You know what you do, because in
this case, it makes sense to just copy-paste the string. The warning is
about to warn you, the string is simply copy-pasted. |
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| _Chris_ | Question is: Should it better only transcribed? |
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| vita_cell | "gtk2-tqt-engine" definitely not |
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| _Chris_ | Because,
this way everyone in RU could read it and, the warning would go away
because of real solving. In German I have let it stay copy-pasted, like
you did. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, then let the warning go away. You see it in the right hand side at the top? |
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| vita_cell | so should I somehow hide these warning? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have sent you the overview, where you get two entries as yellow/red, right? |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Click on them and you get in a screen to fix them. At the right hand side at the top, you will see a yellow warning. |
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| _Chris_ | And
there is a "x" there. Clicking on the "x" there and "save" will make
the warning go away. Do that for the second translation too and you will
be done 100% perfect. :-) |
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| vita_cell | now I see it |
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| vita_cell | nice |
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| _Chris_ | This
warnings are often useful. For example if some "." is missing in the
translation, or it is in the translation, but not in the original
string. Often original strings were not perfect. |
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| vita_cell | I am with Amarok now |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes. You did it very fine. Good work! :-) |
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| vita_cell | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | I think, your commit about that will show up in the patches page today. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/languages/ru/tdebase/ |
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| _Chris_ | That
is important, tdebase. Because most people will care about that. You
can sort this list from top to bottom and fix up components which often
has only two entries to left, to get to 100%. In this way, you will get
some overview at some point, what is done and what needs work. Often,
some component only has 98% because there was no your name, or your
email written. |
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| _Chris_ | In
some cases, sadly, weblate will still trigger some warning, also if the
warning was hidden or fixed up. That is some bug, it seems. But that is
in talk already and maybe in some time that will be fixed. |
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| vita_cell | so, I think that "gtk-qt-engine" is 100% with russian and spanish |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. Oh, spanish I haven't looked at now. But I will see than when commits get merged. |
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| vita_cell | I also completed it |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Very good. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
Do you use RU in TDE for working, or do you prefer ES? Because, often
it would be better to look in real life TDE for missing and untranslated
strings, you notice. Than you can fix up this component. For example at
least KDesktop and/or Kicker should be fully translated and the TCC.
And Konqueror, so if someone installs at least tdebase, that gives a
consistent expression. Just some input. Translate what ever makes you |
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| _Chris_ | happy. :-) |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ No, I always use spanish |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
than you could do that in Spanish. How is the state of Spanish
translation in TDE? Is a lot mixed up with English in dialogs, or is it
fine? |
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| vita_cell | I have a question, I see some (really not important) bugs, that are a bit disturbing. Is here some a good way to debug? |
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| vita_cell | is everything programmed in C++? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
it is mostly. Except SuperKaramba widgets, or Amarok uses ruby for
scripting, or tdeinit is using a bash script for starting. Hm, thinking
about what person you can ask to best debug. What bug you mean? |
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| vita_cell | I
usually use virtual keyboard (because russian, I don't and I won't have
russian keyboard). The original TDE's virtual keyboard is fine, but it
has a bug (as some other virtutal keyboards) that it doesn't switch to
other layout (like cyrilic), I tested some VKs and only "Onboard" and
"Florence" do that. It is a must for a VK. As I don't like Onboard
(because programmed in Python), I use Florence. It has no |
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| vita_cell | maintainer,
so I fixed some crash bugs, that worked great in xfce, but not so good
in TDE (some graphics and sound rendering problems) |
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| _Chris_ | To
be honest, I am absolutely out of topic, if you talk about VKs. Never
used one and I don't know about them. But with rendering issues you
think they are TQt/TDE related? Which toolkit it is using? GTK2? |
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| vita_cell | because
no switching layout in TDE's VK, I use Florence. And now, I have layout
switcher on the panel, which is great, but something of layout swticher
doesn't work, it has bugs. I configured Ctrl+Shift (also tryed some
other combinations), and it does work sometimes, and very badly, so
everytime I need to switch layout to RU or ES, I must to click on the
panel layout indicator |
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| _Chris_ | Because, sometimes, using some engine in TDE for GTK theming can result in rendering issues. |
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| vita_cell | I think it uses gtk2 |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, so the bug you talk about is about the keyboard layout switching applet. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/52 |
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| _Chris_ | There is already some bug reported related to that, I think. But not about rendering bugs. |
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| vita_cell | what
rendering problems? resizing is a bit slow, I think it is not TDE's
problem but by VK itselft. And sometimes it hides to the panel if I
stick it with panel (VK touching panel). |
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| vita_cell | TDE's VK works fine, but it doesn't switch to other layouts |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, from what you explains, I can't fully get what you mean. I don't think I will be able to, without seeing that. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I see. |
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| _Chris_ | It should switch to other layouts. So something is not working right, it seems. |
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| vita_cell | VK has a font on every key, so if I change from US to RU, every key on VK must to change to Cyrilic |
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| _Chris_ | Has you some link to VK? |
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| vita_cell | I only see this feature in Windows keyboard, Florence and Onboard. |
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| vita_cell | VK=Virtual Keyboard |
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| _Chris_ | http://florence.sourceforge.net/english.html |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Is that what you use? |
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| vita_cell | latest version must to be like from 2014 |
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| vita_cell | yes, but I have enabled it with window decoration |
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| _Chris_ | It seems it is using GTK3 and is made for GNOME3. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, no. |
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| vita_cell | so, it is shitty gtk3 |
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| vita_cell | thougt it was gtk2 |
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| _Chris_ | At least Gentoo writes that: "Extensible scalable virtual keyboard for GNOME". |
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| _Chris_ | Needs: gnome-base/gconf:2, media-libs/gstreamer:1.0, x11-libs/gtk+:3..." |
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| vita_cell | gtk+, it must to be gtk2 |
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| vita_cell | "gtk+" |
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| _Chris_ | Except
that it should work in TDE, no question, maybe it would be better to
use some alternative, or fix up TDE layout switching. |
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| _Chris_ | It seems it is using GTK3 since years, or is your version using GTK2? |
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| vita_cell | I think fix TDE's VK is much better option, because native |
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| vita_cell | no, it is latest |
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| _Chris_ | I think that too. |
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| _Chris_ | But I never used it. What is the problem you don't use TDE's VK now? |
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| vita_cell | cyrilic layout |
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| _Chris_ | And if you switch that? |
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| vita_cell | yeah, that is, it doesn't switch to the cyrilic layour (on VK) |
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| _Chris_ | But it should switch, right? |
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| _Chris_ | So that sounds like a bug, for me.. |
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| vita_cell | it might not be a bug probably, but just missing an important feature of a VK |
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| vita_cell | because some VKs don't have this feature |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so that would be a feature request. Question, if you change layout then in the applet, does VK then switch? |
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| vita_cell | yes, for Florence |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, but NOT for TDE's VK? |
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| vita_cell | right |
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| _Chris_ | And.. if you kill TDE's VK and start it again after the switch of layout in applet? Have it changed then? |
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| vita_cell | let's try |
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| _Chris_ | Because, if so, TDE's VK should update to read that setting out. |
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| vita_cell | no, it definitely doesn't change font or layout |
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| _Chris_ | But, if you change layout and restart TDE completelly, it is changed, yes? |
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| _Chris_ | Or does it simply never change anyway? |
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| vita_cell | it never change |
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| vita_cell | it just keeps US layout |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that was never implemented. Can you point me to the TDE's VK? Never seen it. |
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| vita_cell | it is called "Kvkbd" |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe
we can see from the code or so, if some different layout ever was
implemented. Saying that: In Android G00gle had to implement three
versions of VK's because of this. |
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| vita_cell | it looks like not so much code in Kvkbd, like in other VKs |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvkbd |
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| vita_cell | is here some C IDE in TDE? |
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| vita_cell | I usually use Geany |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
Geany (GTK2) I like too. There is TDEvelop, that supports all, but you
have to look into that a bit. Otherwise, Kate can be like Geany. |
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| vita_cell | I love Kate, but for code I always prefer Geany |
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| _Chris_ | "Kvkbd
is a virtual keyboard for KDE, it contains many features like system
tray and dock support, autodetection and on the fly change of the
keyboard layout, scripting with DBus, etc." |
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| _Chris_ | On the fly change of keyboard layout. Question is, if that was implemented with KDE4 only, or so. |
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| vita_cell | lol, it says that it has switching alyout feature |
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| vita_cell | maybe in Qt4 version? |
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| vita_cell | does KDE4 has a Virtual Keyboard? |
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| vita_cell | I have KDE4 installed |
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| _Chris_ | https://lwn.net/Articles/255341/ |
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| _Chris_ | 0.3 - Combined update -> - First run syncing with current choosen keyboard layout |
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| vita_cell | 0.4.8 in 14.0.6 |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | So, at least this readout of keyboard layout, if you restart it, should work. But you said, it never change. |
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| vita_cell | in options it has some layout fallback switching feature hidden, but it has only US and ES |
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| vita_cell | and does nothing |
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| vita_cell | If I change font, it changes, but nothing more |
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| vita_cell | font changes, but never layout |
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| _Chris_ | That sounds broken to mee, let me see if there are reports in old bugzilla. |
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| vita_cell | I think that it has missing that feature |
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| _Chris_ | http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=kvkbd |
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| vita_cell | but who knows |
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| _Chris_ | So ES layout doesn't change either? |
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| vita_cell | only font changes (if I change it from kvkbd), but layout stays the same |
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| _Chris_ | But, RU language files and all that are installed in TDE, right? So you can without any problems switch to RU otherwise? |
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| vita_cell | I compiled my TDE with ES, RU, US |
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| _Chris_ | Okay. |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | At least there is something about CYRILLIC -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvkbd/src/branch/master/src/MainWidget.cpp |
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| _Chris_ | But you say it doesn't change layout, just font. |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | So that "autodetection and on the fly change of the keyboard layout" seems to be broken. |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| vita_cell | maybe somehow it doesn't read the system's layout |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly.
Sounds for me that is the case. But no one knows how long that is
broken, because I think no a lot of users use that. But it has to work,
no question about that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Do you want to file a bug about that and we can talk about that at TGW? |
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| vita_cell | obviously if you dont use touch screen, and only write with Latin characters, VK doesn't matter |
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| vita_cell | yes if you can |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but it should work, it is a true point. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvkbd/issues |
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| _Chris_ | You can just register and click on "New issue" and report there. No dragons somewhere, all nice people. :-) |
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| vita_cell | registered, but I see not repository |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvkbd/issues |
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| _Chris_ | There
are repos for tdebase, tdemultimedia, tdelibs and so on and some repo
for every (back in times) third party TDE application, like kaffeine,
amarok and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | kvkbd is such a third party application. |
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| _Chris_ | While today, it is maintained by TDE, back in KDE3 times, it was maintained by another dev. |
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| SlavekB | vita_cell, I added your account into contributors team |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, welcome vita_cell! :-) |
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| SlavekB | Now you can see repositories and can create PRs, as is described on TGW wiki page. |
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| vita_cell | nice, thanks |
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| vita_cell | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvkbd/releases |
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| vita_cell | trying to compile (just for test) R14.0.0, and well, something doesn't work |
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| _Chris_ | If you use R14.0.6, then I don't think that will work. |
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| _Chris_ | But from the commits, you can see there hasn't be much change. |
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| vita_cell | just './configure" doesn't work |
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| _Chris_ | Wait, please. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Developers |
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| _Chris_ | As you have read maybe, TDE is moving to CMake. |
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| _Chris_ | So autoconf will not work for it, or maybe CMake port is still not working fine, than you can try with Autoconf, so configure. |
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| vita_cell | I just read "./configure" in the INSTALL of the source package |
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| _Chris_ | But, building R14.0.0 will not bring anything, I am sure. |
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| vita_cell | should it be "cmake .." for compile? |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly, the old Install files are deprecated, not in use. They were simply imported 10 years ago. |
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| vita_cell | so how should I compile version like Kvkbd 14.0.0? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have linked you how to build TDE extra (standalone) applications, like Amarok, Kaffeine. So Kvkbd is such a one. |
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| vita_cell | what advantages hace CMake over Configure and Make? |
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| _Chris_ | As
I pointed out, I don't think that will work with tdelibs R14.0.6 used.
And I don't think any change since last 7 years or so introduced that
problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. It's a political thing. It seems to be more easy to take care of build scripts. |
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| vita_cell | the only thing that I know that I will like, is the GUI, lol |
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| _Chris_ | So
KDE4 ported over to use CMake and is using it still now. KDE3 was using
Autoconf and TDE team ported it to CMake too and is still working on
it. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvkbd/commits/branch/master |
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| _Chris_ | Here
you see the changes to kvbd the latest years. If you see, not much
really. Except removing empty files or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe,
when porting it from KDE3 to TDE, something broke. It's possible. So
what you could do would be... if you can test under original KDE3, if
that worked back then. |
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| _Chris_ | But no, you can simply build original KDE3 version against TDE libs. |
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| _Chris_ | *can't |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: You could create some issue about your problem at first. |
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| _Chris_ | And we could talk about at that issue about ideas what could be the problem, what you tested, what you think could be a reason. |
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| _Chris_ | The problem in IRC is, all we think and talk about could be lost. |
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| vita_cell | so is Michele Calgaro a maintainer, programmer of Kvkbd? |
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| vita_cell | what I am still not sure about, is if it misses the feature, or just a bug |
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| _Chris_ | Michele is in the TDE team, yes. And today, everyone can work on every part in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | So best way would be simply to open some issue. So all can read about that. |
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| _Chris_ | You
have to understand: When KDE3 died by KDE team, KDE3 was imported more
or less, also all or most third party applications. And now the original
maintainers are not working on this applications. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe they just ported it to KDE4, or just leaved working on things. |
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| _Chris_ | Amarok, for example. TDE imported last KDE3 version of Amarok. The original dev ported his version more or less to KDE4. |
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| _Chris_ | But,
as we know today, he got not happy about that. Today it will be luck if
Amarok will be ever really ported to KDE5. Amarok of TDE is a own fork
and not related to any former devs. |
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| _Chris_ | Same for kvkdb, maybe it is still there in KDE5, but it is not like in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | But it might be that there are some old references to original devs in the News, README, INSTALL, Changelog and so on files. |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| vita_cell | I can not compile even 14.0.6 Kvkbd |
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| _Chris_ | TDE is full of history, as you see. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | With CMake? But you already use 14.0.6 Kvkdb, because you build it with Slackware build scripts, right? |
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| vita_cell | but
too that that original authors don't maintain Qt3 alonsgside Qt4
version, intead of good compatibility they prefer to deprecate |
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| _Chris_ | But I have to go AFK for now. |
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| vita_cell | yes, with slackware scripts |
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| vita_cell | Ok, see you later |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, okay, it is a bit understandable, you can't support something forever. |
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| _Chris_ | It would be good if you open some issue und describe there what is the problem. |
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| vita_cell | but look at Microsoft, binary compatibility with Windows95 to Windows10, jsut amazing! |
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| vita_cell | in Windows you don't need maintain software, you can do release and finish the software |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB how to compile a source in TDE? |
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| vita_cell | kvkbd for example |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: TDE does also support a very long compatibility. And I guided you already to building wiki: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/Apps/kvkbd/kvkbd.SlackBuild |
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| _Chris_ | You can look for paths and so from the Slackware build scripts. |
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| _Chris_ | They have build the latest (R14.0.6) version for you already. |
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| _Chris_ | If you want to build by hand, you can just read the wiki article I linked you above. CMake part. |
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| _Chris_ | And
if something doesn't work. Please, use some paste site and link the
output here, so someone can see *what* exactly is the problem when
building. |
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| _Chris_ | https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| _Chris_ | So we can see what could be the problem. |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| vita_cell | can someone say me all TDE directories/paths related to TDE's theming? |
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| _Chris_ | Theming, hm. There was some asking about that already here, but from what I know, there isn't any good howto. I might be wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | Are you good in theming? :-) |
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| vita_cell | I wasted a lot of time in GTK2 theming |
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| vita_cell | but KDE is so different, and here I have no idea |
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| _Chris_ | But GTK2 is still used by a lot of people. |
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| _Chris_ | But nice you already did that. Yes, there is great need for new TDE themes. |
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| vita_cell | they forcing everything for deprecate gtk2 and trash it away |
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| _Chris_ | Best would be to look for existing themes, like plastik and adjust them. |
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| vita_cell | I already downloaded all themes I could from trinity-look |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. But I think it will exist a long time still. |
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| _Chris_ | All themes? |
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| _Chris_ | The thing is, some themes need to be ported to TDE. |
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| vita_cell | yes, but some of them have broken link, so here is no way to obtain or download them again |
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| _Chris_ | See this. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-style-lipstik |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-style-lipstik/src/branch/master/style/lipstikstandard.kcsrc |
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| _Chris_ | You can adjust, for example. |
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| vita_cell | looks like KDE themes are much more complex (but for better I think) |
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| vita_cell | is are KDE/TDE themes pure C++? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
there are a lot of things you can adjust, I think. I think that is
related to the theme engine. There are maybe some theme engines, which
allow to use CSS, but I don't know exactly. I am really not into that. |
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| SlavekB | It depends on whether the theme is just colors and pictures or even style GUI elements. |
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| vita_cell | I always wanted to avoid things like CSS, JS, or something else, I believe that pure C or C++ is much better |
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| vita_cell | can you explain what is SuperKaramba? what it does? |
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| vita_cell | looks like some theme/styles adder |
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| _Chris_ | SuperKaramba is like in Windows Vista and above, widgets. |
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| _Chris_ | In KDE4 this are plasmoids. |
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| vita_cell | but I see no existence of widgets (like in Windows Vista) |
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| _Chris_ | Back then, in KDE3, KDesktop, Kicker and SuperKaramba formed the Shell. So the desktop, which become in KDE4 a one in all. |
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| _Chris_ | No, you need to download them, from trinity-look, for example. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But sadly, some need either porting to TDE, or only run with Python 2.x. |
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| vita_cell | fucking Python |
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| _Chris_ | For example, I have a little Kirby running around, which works fine. |
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| _Chris_ | Let me look for that. |
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| vita_cell | lol |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.free-gaming.org/p/1105037/ |
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| _Chris_ | You need SuperKaramba and you can install that widget. |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.free-gaming.org/p/1105211/ |
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| _Chris_ | This one I use too, but it needs python 2.x and it is buggy as hell. It needs investigation. |
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| _Chris_ | Or there is a wonderful weather widget, which needs also work. |
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| vita_cell | I installed the Kirby thing, but see nothing |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.trinity-look.org/p/1105311/ |
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| vita_cell | ahhh now I see the kirby, lol, it has bugs |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, you need to fix it. Maybe it needs python 2.x too. |
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| _Chris_ | I never used Python 3 with widgets. |
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| vita_cell | on backside the kirby, it has an invisible window, and as I have activated windows shadows, I can see the shadows |
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| _Chris_ | https://addons.videolan.org/p/1105306/show/page/1
-> That also needs work. There are no links, I found the package
anywhere in the web, but it needs to be fixed to make it work again. So,
there is potential, but there is work needed to make that widgets great
again. |
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| vita_cell | Python
language looks like some very hobbist work, and not something
professional, Python looks like a toy o playing background for bored
programmers and not like some professional solution |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that might be a bug. It is done in simple software rendering and pseudo-transparency. |
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| _Chris_ | Back in the days, the idea was to make users of KDE3 beeing able to create widgets without compiling, just by using scripting. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, but look what happens, breakages and deprecates |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but who ever was knowing that, 15 years ago? |
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| vita_cell | that true |
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| _Chris_ | Right
way would be: Importing this widgets, get them fixed, so TDE users can
load them working. But that always needs someone to work on that. |
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| vita_cell | programming and that work effort should be a long way run, not some workaround solution for short term |
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| _Chris_ | Difference
here in TDE to other desktops: TDE does not say this should be banned
and removed or not worked on. There just the need that someone does
that. |
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| vita_cell | true |
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| vita_cell | and this is great |
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| _Chris_ | And that about Kirby. Kirby works fine. What you see is just.. This shadows are software drawn. And this all isn't using OpenGL. |
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| _Chris_ | So
this is the best way to do. Therefore you can simply very easy change
that script for Kirby, replace images, add new animations. |
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| vita_cell | what I tryed yesterday is text to speech feature |
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| _Chris_ | For
me, that is broken, because of festival. It is the engine used and it
seems it was not maintained and segfaulted for the most of the time. Now
it seems there is a new version, but I haven't tested it. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know, if your crash is related to that. |
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| vita_cell | I
added Festival Interactive and FLite. Well those do work when you run a
test, but a bug in TDE makes impossible to run them (TCC crashes) |
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| vita_cell | at least I could to compile both |
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| _Chris_ | But running Festival from terminal works? |
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| vita_cell | not tryed, I only know that in tests both do work fine |
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| _Chris_ | Someone using Debian should test for that and report Festival version used, maybe. |
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| vita_cell | so I can hear the voice speaking |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so that works. |
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| vita_cell | yes, but it won't work for notifications or for something different, here is a bug in TCC |
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| _Chris_ | Long time since I looked into that. Maybe needs investigation. |
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| vita_cell | TCC -> Text to Speech -> Notifications -> Reader, here when I click on button, TCC crashes |
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| _Chris_ | Which Festival version you have? |
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| _Chris_ | For me it doesn't work at the moment, but that might be related to my Festival. |
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| _Chris_ | It seems there is some more or less inofficial 2.5 version out here. |
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| vita_cell | the latest I could to download Festival and Flite both work |
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| _Chris_ | https://bugs.gentoo.org/612980 |
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| _Chris_ | So Festival itself has great problems to run. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know which version Debian includes today. |
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| vita_cell | don't know how to see the version |
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| _Chris_ | Just type festival in terminal. |
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| _Chris_ | Festival Speech Synthesis System 2.1:release November 2010 |
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| vita_cell | it is great software, but badly developed or maintained |
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| vita_cell | it is not installed |
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| _Chris_ | Seems newest Debian uses 2.5 already. |
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| vita_cell | I just compiled, and ran the binaries |
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| _Chris_ | The problem is to get really good voices working, that is complicated for some languages. |
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| vita_cell | ./festival: Festival Speech Synthesis System: 2.4:release December 2014 |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so that should not segfault at least. |
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| vita_cell | it only has US voices |
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| vita_cell | as I said, Festival and Flite both do work |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I mean I have read about that crashing some time ago, but I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=tts |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe there is something to help you, I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | It
doesn't work for me neither, at the moment. No crash, but I don't hear
anything. But that is related to my old Festival, I think. |
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| vita_cell | what version? |
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| _Chris_ | 2.1. Some old one. |
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| vita_cell | it is not so hard to compile, and you don't need to install it |
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| _Chris_ | I know, I just had not looked into that. Any time later maybe. |
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| _Chris_ | The
problem for me was more to get it working with mbrola, to get German
voice and so on. It's a nightmare of compatibility. Very bad. |
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| vita_cell | here is the crash of TCC, when you click the button for speaker |
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| vita_cell | http://dpaste.com/2Z4XCW2 |
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| _Chris_ | But that is not TDE related. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried.. to set sound in this config from arts to alsa? |
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| vita_cell | arts doesn't work, ALSA does work |
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| _Chris_ | But crash anyway? |
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| vita_cell | yeah |
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| vita_cell | on reader button, in notifications |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| vita_cell | "The text to speech system seems to funcion improperly" the test run says (the voice) |
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| vita_cell | this is what says the test |
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| vita_cell | but I hear the voice, so it does work |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I don't know. But might be related to some voices, or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | But it is crashing. |
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| vita_cell | I installed all voice I found, and I test every one |
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| vita_cell | Now
I don't know why, but opening Kate, it does not remember the previous
size, and it start with very disturbing size, I always have to rezise |
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| vita_cell | *resize |
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| mutantturkey | vita_cell: you can set your defaults for kate i believe |
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| _Chris_ | Under session settings in Kate, you can click to save window settings, or not, I think. |
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| vita_cell | it is fucking amazing, KDE3/TDE styles are hardcoded, so I styles as pure C++ code |
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| vita_cell | *see |
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| vita_cell | so, if styles are binaries, it must to be much faster than JS or CSS |
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| mutantturkey | vita_cell: ? |
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| mutantturkey | well certainly they're not generic turing complete markup languages with a DOM implemented |
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| mutantturkey | and Qt3 as a toolkit is quite good |
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| vita_cell | I
mean, that way is better (but harder). And it is not a good idea to
integrate interpreted languages into desktop or system core componentes |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
there was a benchmark about KDE4/KDE5 SVG icons. The rendering is a lot
slower than PNG files. Because SVG needs to be interpreted. |
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| _Chris_ | From what I know, GTK3 banned theming engines fully. |
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| mutantturkey | _Chris_: to be clear, svg does provide alternatives |
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| mutantturkey | but only really as a source file |
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| mutantturkey | then you can render them to various sizes like 32x32, 64x64 128x128 |
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| mutantturkey | to png etc |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but KDE does render them realtime, I think. |
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| _Chris_ | CrystalSVG (KDE3) also came from SVG files, but PNG were rendered actually. |
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| vita_cell | so, what is the point to use SVG instead of PNG? |
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| _Chris_ | You only need one size, you can scale them endless. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ I am uploading my themes pack, which includes every theme I could to download from trinity-look |
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| vita_cell | I will share the link when it's done |
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| vita_cell | I am trying to upload to Mega, as I don't know what a better service to use |
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| vita_cell | it's about 122mb |
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| vita_cell | do you know, is here some app in TDE for scanning documents? |
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| _Chris_ | Scanning documents? No. But such a pack could be handy maybe. Have you done that by hand? |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ |
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| vita_cell | https://mega.nz/#!Gq4BRS4b!ecj9ae4rbzJAmiBVNSjwF0OTmQXCeYvM_xnYWhaENbo |
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| vita_cell | look if you can to download it |
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| vita_cell | md5sum Trinity-themes.tar.xz |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I can download it. That might be of use, if someday, trinity-look will be vanished. |
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| vita_cell | 23ae313f620d3bed1ed72d5fba080bdc |
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| vita_cell | yes, I saved what I could, because links are vanishing |
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| vita_cell | it is too much effort just vanishing |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
thank you. I would say, in theory, that could be hosted by TDE, as
backup, or so, if that happens. But I think first there has to be some
way to verify this is unchanged. But other way: Everyone can upload
something to that page anyway. |
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| vita_cell | I still did not test anything from it, so I warn you |
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| vita_cell | I just downloaded |
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| _Chris_ | Funny
thing is: Back in the phpbb2 days, there were a lot of MODs and someone
did that too. Several years after, the website went down and it was
luck such a package was preserving all the work. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't have any fear. No worries. |
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| vita_cell | much projects from trinity-look have links down, and those project very probably will never be recovered |
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| _Chris_ | Everyone surfing the web with Konqueror is resistent against fear, you know? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is really some problem. |
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| _Chris_ | You downloaded that by hand, or you have some script to fetch all that stuff from there? |
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| vita_cell | But web is bloatware, and it is getting more and more bloated, so web browser is the thing that need a huge maintainment |
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| _Chris_ | Because there is much more work, which could be preserved for day zero. |
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| _Chris_ | True point. |
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| vita_cell | well,
doing that script will take too much hours, or days, lol. Not all link
are official (from just trinity-look), some are external and mostly of
them are down (permanently obviously). So I must to do that by hand |
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| vita_cell | and see what link is down or not |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I noticed that with external links. |
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| vita_cell | the package I gave you, it is only styles section (KDE3.5 Themes) |
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| vita_cell | so maybe I will download everything I can |
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| _Chris_ | I
had really trouble to get the source of liquid weather++. I needed to
look at the web archive. But only one savestate gave it me. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know, only styles. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | There was already talk, that someday, this page could went down. |
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| vita_cell | trinity-look? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it is holding a lot of different domains. kde-look, videolan... and so on. All pointing to the same. |
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| _Chris_ | More or less. |
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| vita_cell | I hate the fucking fads, all this work, the whole effort will be lost because fad |
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| vita_cell | And "newer" doesn't mean better |
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| _Chris_ | This page is also holding a lot of handy servicemenus. |
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| vita_cell | as is "more" doesn't mean better |
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| vita_cell | I thought that this page is the same as gnome-look, xfce4-look.... |
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| vita_cell | mate-look |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | Just with some filtering, which is often bad. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ the layout indicator switcher on the panel, which program of TDE is it? |
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| vita_cell | so what program is |
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| _Chris_ | Should be some applet. Have you added it from kicker? |
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| vita_cell | I added it from TCC, from region configuration, keyboard layouts, I just added 1 more layout |
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| vita_cell | an layout switcher doesn't work well |
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| _Chris_ | How do you add that layout switcher to your panel? |
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| _Chris_ | Now my one is mixed up. Oh, no. |
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| vita_cell | lol |
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| vita_cell | bugs? |
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| vita_cell | remove the layout switcher from the panel, just remove the Enable keyboard layouts |
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| _Chris_ | No, it added nothing to my panel. |
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| vita_cell | the layout switcher just appears when you turn on the keyboard layouts |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I did and nothing happened, but I just forgot to re-set my old layout after testing that. My fault. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly, I never play with that, because that works fine for me. |
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| vita_cell | layout switcher appears when I have more than 1 layout |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that was the reason. Okay, let me test again. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, it's kxkb. We will find it. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kxkb |
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| vita_cell | nice |
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| _Chris_ | The
default things are most of the time in tdebase, as you have seen now
mutiple times. So looking in tdebase is often the first step. |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| vita_cell | the layout thay icon has hardcoded font and his size, I remember that I had the same in xfce4, |
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| vita_cell | really not something important |
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| TomTheDragon | I've given up on getting VC4 Mesa drivers working for now. Things are just so much smoother in the desktop without the 2d Accel. |
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| TomTheDragon | And, ironically, faster |
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| _Chris_ | TomTheDragon:
Ah, you are here. Today I rebuild xf86-video-ati without glamor, so I
could rebuild xorg-server also without glamor and using only EXA. Result
for me: No change. |
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| _Chris_ | So, no, it seems not to be glamor related. |
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| _Chris_ | But
I will try to change some xorg settings tomorrow, which were still in
testing back then when radeon driver got more and more mature. There
were some options which could result in rendering problems. Maybe that
is related. But I don't think so. Because I only have that problems in
applications which do TQt rendering. We will see. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| _Chris_ | There are your contributions. :-) |
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| vita_cell | nice!!! |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | 100% for every language. Good work. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_
need a bit of help, I usually use Konqueror (tde) for file exploring.
But as I am in Slackware, it somes with KDE4. So when I open terminal in
Konqueror it opens a terminal of KDE4, which is also "Konsole" |
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| vita_cell | so TDE still reads standard path to binaries like /usr/bin for example |
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| vita_cell | this happens with some apps |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Look for [3] there: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/master/README.md |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| _Chris_ | You can change the order of your PATH vars. Look for /etc/environment and make sure that TDE paths come before the KDE4 ones. |
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| _Chris_ | You can also see your PATH order with: echo $PATH from the Konsole. |
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| vita_cell | so, I must to create /etc/environment file and put in it this |
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| vita_cell | PATH=/opt/trinity/games:/opt/trinity/bin:/opt/trinity/lib64/tqt3/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib64/kde4/libexec:/usr/lib64/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin |
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| _Chris_ | Do you not have such a file? Maybe there is a /etc/env.d dir? |
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| vita_cell | no, I di not have it |
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| vita_cell | no |
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| vita_cell | looks like Slackware does it with /etc/profile file |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
you can do that too. Just don't mess it up. In Gentoo it is read out
from mutiple files from /etc/env.d/* and then put in etc/profile.env,
for example. |
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| _Chris_ | But, yes. The order should be okay the way you wrote it above. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ here is no clear autostart edition tool in TDE |
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| _Chris_ | There is kcmautostart. |
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| vita_cell | so I have compton-tde running at startup, but I need to tell somewhere that I want to run it with additional arguments |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kcmautostart |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I don't know. Normaly you should be able to give it arguments in the setting window to choose your WM. |
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| vita_cell | looks like I don't have it installed, and I choosed to install everything |
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| _Chris_ | I
neither. I never used it. But compton-tde should be the WM, or so,
right? I am very not into that compton stuff and so on, sorry. |
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| vita_cell | "compton-tde" is a desktop compositor, not windown manager |
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| vita_cell | windows manager is twin, compiz(which is also desktop compositor), and kwin |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, right. Just puzzled the two ones. |
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| vita_cell | when you enable (from TCC) desktop compositing in TDE, you run compton-tde |
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| vita_cell | and if you enabled desktop compositing, you run "compton-tde" at startup |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I got that now. I don't use it. Maybe, it would be good to add arguments in this dialog, like done for the WM. |
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| vita_cell | but, I need to add arguments somehow/somewhere to the compton-tde startup comman, I just don'd know where is |
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| _Chris_ | I had the impression that this was already possible. But it isn't. |
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| vita_cell | need to add arguments because compton-tde doesn't redirect full scrin apps, and it ruins my gamming sessions |
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| vita_cell | *screen |
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| vita_cell | this
is what is very unclear in TDE (the startup), because in xfce4 you hace
"startup and session" where all xfce4's stuff is starting at startup,
but in TDE here is no such feature |
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| _Chris_ | Have you installed that kcmautostart? |
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| vita_cell | I don't have that binary, looks like it doesn't install alongside TDE |
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| _Chris_ | You can install that, should be in the repos from what you installed TDE. |
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| vita_cell | does TDE split all packages into normal vs *-dev? |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know that. Might be the way it is organized in your repos you use. But yes, there is a stable branch and a dev branch. |
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| vita_cell | what is the point of splitting? |
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| _Chris_ | Or to be better: There is R14.0.x (Stable) and R14.x (Dev). |
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| _Chris_ | The
point is to give people who want a more stable TDE that choice, while
some features and testing can be made with the feature branch. |
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| vita_cell | but stable or dev, these are branches, not package splitting |
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| _Chris_ | From what I have seen in your Slackware build scripts, you have options there also to use testing. |
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| vita_cell | I mean, is here some package version splitting like in Debian |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, or you mean the header and source files? That is like it is done for any other package. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, like "appname" vs "appname-dev", |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, dev-packages are like they were ever in Debian and other distributions. |
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| vita_cell | I always hated that system, it is pain in the ass. This is why I use Slackware |
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| vita_cell | also Arch does not have that splitting system |
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| vita_cell | but all Debian/Ubuntu based distros do the splitting |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
Gentoo does it neither, because it is all build from source either. But
if you use binary, there has to be a way to install sources. |
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| SlavekB | For
me it's the opposite. I don't like distributions where binary packages
aren't granulated. Splitting gives users the ability to install only
what they really want and doesn't force them to install what they don't
need. |
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| _Chris_ | True point about that. Saying that, all the source files using Gentoo bloat up your disk space very much. Really. |
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| SlavekB | Most users will never need "dev" parts, will not need api documentation, ... so why should everyone have it installed? |
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| SlavekB | Another
example. In Debian, in tdebase was created a separate package for
"tdeio-smb" just so that users don't have to install any "samba" stuff
if they don't need it. |
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| vita_cell | because
some people like me prefer to having everything installed, so when you
need something, you have it already installed, searching for libs or
apps everytime you need to compile or install something, wastes you time
hugely. And here is no better distro than Slackware for this. You
install everything, so when you download anything from Slackbuilds (like
AUR for Arch), you will install it directly withou havint to |
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| vita_cell | think about dependencies or "-dev" packages, you download and install only. |
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| vita_cell | yeah I really don't like "-dev" packages splitting, dependencies resolution system (totally hate it, and totally unnecesary). |
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| SlavekB | That's why there are "meta-packages" on Debian that have packages split like this as a dependency. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, that is very important, what you wrote about samba. I really
dislike to install anything I don't want. So the price of freedom is to
think about choice. |
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| SlavekB | So,
anyone who wants "everything" in tdebase will install the
tdebase-trinity metapackage. While anyone who wants to have control over
what is installed on their system, they can install individual
packages. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: You found kcmautostart? |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_
but think, when you install everything, you forget about installing
huge amount of dependencies the next time you install something, and
forget about searching "-dev" packages |
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| vita_cell | Yes, I found, but just trying to figure out, how to compile it, lol |
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| _Chris_ | I will look for you if it is in your repos. |
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| vita_cell | I just installed everything I could with the TDE Slackbuild, so I don't know if it misses something |
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| _Chris_ | Seems it is not into that repos, yes. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_
here is no repositories in Slackware, you download Slackbuilds if you
install something externally, and official repositories here you have
already installed everything from Slackware official repositories |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do you know from which place compton-tde is started, if you activate transparency? |
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| vita_cell | no, I dont |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I mean I looked here, if there is such a Slackbuild for that. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/tree/master/Apps |
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| _Chris_ | And it isn't. |
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| SlavekB | Compton should be activated if you have Compositor enabled in TCC. |
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| vita_cell | here is no kcmautostart in this Slackbuild |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, but he wanted to change it's starting arguments. |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB yes I know, I just trying too search where is the autostart command for it |
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| _Chris_ | For twin, there is a input field in the dialog for giving arguments. For compton-tde, there isn't. |
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| vita_cell | I
have already done and tested my "compton.conf", so I need to use it at
startup, because activated compton-tde ruins my full screen games. And I
need to unredir full screen apps |
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| vita_cell | yeah, and twin is a TDE's window manager, and compton-tde is desktop composer |
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| vita_cell | *compositor |
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| vita_cell | so, I just need to add arguments for compton-tde startup |
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| denk | guys, help me to understand magic of your versions in debian tree, because I have conflicts on porting that all |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?1f071995e8a322e6#FotjcadLihXiMRl6He6uGZtum+kZFHH9s992aDgqGEQ= |
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| denk | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/_base/dependencies/tqt3/debian/control?h=master line 38 |
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| SlavekB | Denk, fixed in https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/commit/e22e858363 |
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| denk | thanks |
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| SlavekB | ach, one typo! |
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| SlavekB | ...fixed. |
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| denk | 0,7? |
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| denk | line 38 |
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| SlavekB | Yes, exactly. |
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| denk | ok, thanks |
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| SlavekB | In
the case of the DilOS package compared to Debian, the difference is
that the split due to multiarch was changed in the master branch while
the stable remained unchanged. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, << 14.1.0~ is used as the conflicting version for Debian packages. |
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| denk | we use debian versions with suffix dilos, I think it should be the same |
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| vita_cell | here is /usr/share/apps/kstyle in KDE3, what is TDE's analogous app? |
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| vita_cell | damn, it is "tdestyle" |
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| vita_cell | what is this app "/opt/trinity/share/apps/metabar"? |
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| vita_cell | is here some guide to how to port a kde3 window decoration to tde? |
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| _Chris_ | Not that I know at the moment. Yes, that would be needed. |
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| vita_cell | if someone know how to port thing like window decorations, should write a guide, because some other can do porting |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I don't know which person did the porting of other decorations. Do you know that SlavekB? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ -> Your Amarok translation was merged now too. :-) |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_
I still can not get to compile TDE's components, I am n00b with CMake.
It looks so much more complex. I always compiled the stuff with
./configure and then make. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
The best way to do that and at the same time to contribute what you do
for all Slackware TDE users would be to contribute to your Slackbuild
repo. You mostly only need to copy and change the SlackBuild file. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/tree/master/Apps |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/Apps/gtk-qt-engine/gtk-qt-engine.SlackBuild |
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| _Chris_ | Just
change that to kcmautostart. And you should be able to do that for all
other TDE applications. This way you don't mix up things. |
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| _Chris_ | This way, all Slackware TDE users would benefit from what you do and.. you can be really sure the paths are rightly set. |
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| _Chris_ | That
said, autoconf should be work still for kcmautostart, I think. If you
have problems building that, please give a paste link to see the error.
But I still think the best way would be to add it to the SlackBuild repo
you are using. |
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| _Chris_ | For
the SlackBuild, you should only copy some existing folder like
gtk-qt-engine to kcmautostart and change the file name and in this
SlackBuild file, you should only be needed to change the vars pointing
to gtk-qt-engine and change them to kcmautostart. This way.. it
should... work, simply as any other application. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/Apps/gtk-qt-engine/gtk-qt-engine.SlackBuild#L49 |
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| _Chris_ | As you see, it will set for you all CMake options and paths right already. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ always the *.SlackBuild is calling get-source.sh |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds/blob/master/get-source.sh |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
so it is consistent to fetch sources for the right version. So if you
are using stable, you should also build kcmautostart stable and not mix
up things. I will be AFK for now. It should work, just try a bit, okay?
:-) |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| _Chris_ | And if it is working, maybe you can give back to the repo, so other people benefit from that. |
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| denk | SlavekB: ping, I think I understand an issue with the versions |
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| denk | you use a perl script to generate it |
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| denk | debian/cdbs/versions.pl |
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| denk | it has a line: ($version3_next = $version3) =~ s/(?<=\.)(\d+)[a-z]?$/($1+1)/e; |
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| denk | the regexp does not match a string which has a suffix "...+xxx" |
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| denk | to fix it to continue porting I just removed '$' from the regex, I'm not an expert in perl regexp to fix it correctly |
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| SlavekB | denk,
this script is used to set variables TDE-Version2, TDE-Version3,
TDE-Next-Version2 and TDE-Next-Version3 => these variables can be
then used to set version for dependencies. |
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| SlavekB | I think, you can do small change in your schema for version numbers. |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?507c84d9dc2e031b#9720Dq69evWIhe3N0eG96z0mBJ/G5AR/utI3Ycv/kzY= |
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| SlavekB | For example, instead of ...0debian9+dilos1, you can use ...0dilos+1 |
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| denk | line 30 vs 61 |
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| SlavekB | For me results are: |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Version3=4:14.0.7 |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Version2=4:14.0 |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Next-Version3=4:14.0.8 |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Next-Version2=4:14.1 |
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| denk | show me the source line from changelog |
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| SlavekB | tdegraphics-trinity (4:14.0.7~pre8-0ubuntu19.10.0+5~b) eoan; urgency=low |
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| SlavekB | I think, you can use "dilos" instead od debian/raspbian/ubuntu. |
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| denk | oh, daemon... I need to rebuild it all once again... |
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| SlavekB | Thanks to this, the numbering scheme would be the same as for other DEB packages. |
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| denk | thanks for the help |
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| SlavekB | Of course it's just my suggestion. |
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| SlavekB | I
want to upload my script to generate the source packages soon. This
might be useful to you - probably it would be enough to change the
distribution list to include dilos instead of debian / raspbian / ubuntu
and it could work. |
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| denk | of course, upload it |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ above the pannel, it draws a 1px grey line, is here some way to get rid of it? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: That is a good question. I am sure there is, but the question is much more how. Hm. |
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| vita_cell | it is annoying and completely useless |
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| vita_cell | I tryed to find how to get rid of it |
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| _Chris_ | I
think it's drawn because it's used for every widget. I think it will be
the border size you configure for other elements. But maybe it would be
nice to have some setting to set that of for the panel/panels. |
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| _Chris_ | But, yes. I think I experienced that too when playing with some styling of the panel. |
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| vita_cell | do you have that annotuing line? |
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| vita_cell | annoying* |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Yes, I have that too and it is viewable if you style your panel. |
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| _Chris_ | But, it will be colored if you choose to use system colors. So it seems to be just a border. |
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| _Chris_ | But, there are options.. |
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| _Chris_ | For
giving TDE applications, or better TQt applications to not show any
border, with command line. Maybe that can be used to hide that border
only for Kicker. |
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| _Chris_ | kicker --help-qt |
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| _Chris_ | or kicker kicker --help-tde |
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| _Chris_ | But, I don't see there some option for no border. |
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| _Chris_ | But you can hide the border for every TDE application. Question is how to do that for kicker, because it's no real window. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do you know some command line option to hide a border drawn of some TDE/TQt application? |
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| SlavekB | you can set application specific rules in twin. |
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| SlavekB | but I am not sure, if kicker can be handled by this twin rules... |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. That can be made over GUI for normal TDE applications. But it seems Kicker is no one. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
You can try to change appearance in the settings of kicker. From
"fancy" or how it is called for you to something different. Maybe that
changes the widget? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, no. Just tested it. It's just for windowbar. |
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| _Chris_ | So having some option to hide that border would be good and wanted. |
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| _Chris_ | With activated transparency I don't have that border. |
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| _Chris_ | I just have it if I use some background image for kicker. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, already tryed, but it doesn't disappear, only changes the color |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Do you want to help me with some translations in RU and ES, which can't be made in weblate? |
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| _Chris_ | Just easy ones. |
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| _Chris_ | Trash,
webbrowser, printers, my documents, my computer, my networkplaces. If
possible, the same names, which are used for the icons you see on your
desktop for them, to be consistent. |
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| vita_cell | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: For RU, is that right? -> Computer = Документы? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
And what is about "Trash"? Is it "Мусорное ведро" or better "дрянь"? Or
should it better be: "Корзина"? Can you help me? |
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| _Chris_ | Because,
it seems, the last is used for existing translation for RU for the
trash. But from translating it, that results in "Basket". |
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| vita_cell | no |
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| vita_cell | Computer = Компьютер |
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| vita_cell | дрянь, well, it is a trash, but said in the finny way, so maybe it is not good for a serious desktop environment |
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| vita_cell | *funny |
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| vita_cell | дрянь it is like crap |
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| _Chris_ | You see, therefore it is very good to have someone knowing RU. |
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| vita_cell | definitely |
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| _Chris_ | What is about: Корзина? |
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| vita_cell | because Google or any other translator ca not to translate in the right way, that language it is not like english |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, true point. |
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| vita_cell | not less not more |
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| vita_cell | Корзина = Trash can |
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| vita_cell | just can |
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| vita_cell | basket |
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| _Chris_ | This way it is used too in TDE for RU, right? |
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| vita_cell | do not know |
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| _Chris_ | At least from one file, it seems to be already used this way in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kdesktop/init/Trash |
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| _Chris_ | Look for this. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, just leave it as is for RU and ES |
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| _Chris_ | At the moment, sadly, it is not possible to translate also this desktop files with weblate. So that has to be done by a commit. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, we want to take that and add it also for this file. https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/tdeioslave/media/mimetypes/trash.desktop and this file: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/tdeioslave/media/mimetypes/mycomputer.desktop |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Computadora = Computer, right? |
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| vita_cell | yes, Computadora is in latin castilian spanish |
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| _Chris_ | Because, until now, because of some problem, it was wrongly called: "Dispositivos de almacenamiento", see here: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kdesktop/init/My_Computer |
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| vita_cell | that is true, I am have that right now on the desktop, lol |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. That is the problem right now. |
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| vita_cell | but it is not really wrong because that access is to media:/ |
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| vita_cell | shortcut |
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| vita_cell | in Windows is "Mi PC" |
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| _Chris_ | We want to fix that. Therefore I used the chance to verify with you, so that is not only fixed in DE, CS, US. Also in RU and ES. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
Yes, but this is only for having the desktop icon name. In that case,
it should be Computer, as you see the file is named for. |
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| vita_cell | the Documents shortcut on desktop you should call it like in Windows "Mis documentos" |
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| _Chris_ | At the moment it is: "Carpeta de documentos". |
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| vita_cell | here is also a shortcut on my desktop called "Sistema", which is access for system:/ |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
the thing is, in some languages, like US, it is also called "My
Documents". So, "Mis documentas" would be fine. The only thing that
would be needed to take care of would be that it needs to be consistent. |
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| vita_cell | that is |
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| _Chris_ | So My Computer should not only be "Computadora", better "Mis Computadora". |
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| vita_cell | Computadora is Computer in latin castilian spanish |
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| vita_cell | for ES, Computer = Mi PC |
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| vita_cell | like in Windows |
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| vita_cell | Computer = Ordenador (in castilian spanish spanish) |
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| vita_cell | so "Mi PC" (like in Windoze), will be a better option |
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| vita_cell | en Spain nobody usually call a computer as computadora, in Spain is PC or Ordenador |
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| _Chris_ | Right. That way it would be consistent. "Mi PC", "Mis documentas" and for "My Network" = "Mi red"? |
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| vita_cell | yes, like in Windows |
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| vita_cell | just copy those shortcut names from Windoze, lol |
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| vita_cell | Mi red, yes |
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| _Chris_ | I never used Spanish windows. |
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| vita_cell | typo *"Mis documentos" |
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| _Chris_ | Look what was used until now for ES: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kdesktop/init/My_Network_Places#L20 |
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| vita_cell | My network places -> Mi red -> Сеть |
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| vita_cell | сеть = network |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: So, there another problem. At least what I tested now. |
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| _Chris_ | "Mis documentos" wraps up on the desktop. What will result in "Mis (next line) document...". |
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| _Chris_ | And something like that should be avoided. |
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| _Chris_ | Simply as that: It's too long. |
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| vita_cell | why it wraps? lol |
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| vita_cell | bug? |
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| _Chris_ | Just test it. |
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| _Chris_ | No, it's the way it is done in TDE/KDE3. |
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| vita_cell | how should I test it? |
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| _Chris_ | In GNOME, you can enter a full page of text and the icon will take the whole desktop. |
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| _Chris_ | In TDE, it will be shortened. |
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| _Chris_ | Just let "My Documents" show up on your desktop. |
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| _Chris_ | And click "Rename" in the context menu. And you can paste the new name. |
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| vita_cell | I have "Carpeta de documentos" |
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| _Chris_ | For me that results in a wrapped icon name. |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| vita_cell | Yes, it wraps |
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| _Chris_ | That's ugly. |
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| vita_cell | KDE devs left so much things and bugs to fix |
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| _Chris_ | Because of that.. Many translators have decided to remove the "My" the translation. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Something we care about. But it needs talk to do it right. |
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| vita_cell | sad |
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| _Chris_ | As you see now. |
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| vita_cell | for code contribute first I need to figure out how to compile code and test it, then learn C++ more that I know for now |
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| _Chris_ | No hurry. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, but I really want to learn, and now I think that TDE worth my time and effort |
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| _Chris_ | The
problem is, while we could remove that "Mis" from "Mis documentos", the
"Documentos" alone would wrap up, because it is also a long word. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't have better ideas. If you like, you can think about that. |
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| _Chris_ | And you can test it on your machine. |
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| vita_cell | I
think that it is better to left things as is, just leave it as the
right option, and forgive it, and then we or someone developer should
fix that wrap |
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| _Chris_ | That wrap is not something which is to be fixed. It's a feature. |
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| vita_cell | so, instead of dirty workarounds, maybe it is better to leave it translated in the right way |
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| _Chris_ | You will notice that if you enter a very long name for icons in GNOME. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, in gtk desktops it is not the same wrap I think |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Therefore this discussions are not so easy. |
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| _Chris_ | In fact: You can change that wrap. |
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| _Chris_ | Options are existing in the GUI. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But for the first impression of TDE, wrapping icons are bad. |
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| vita_cell | to translate it the right way, is the Windows way |
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| vita_cell | yeah, the first impressions could be important |
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| _Chris_ | If
you follow that filenames, yes, that was the KDE3 intention, more or
less. But with a bit of freedom for translators (removing the "my" and
so on). |
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| vita_cell | personally, I think that desktop things done in WindowsXP is the right way to copy from |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, more or less that is done already. But TDE not intents to just copy-paste XP. |
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| vita_cell | remember all those people coming from Windows, they prefer familiar desktop |
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| _Chris_ | In fact. For that there are seperate projects. Basing on TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | https://q4os.org/ |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I know that distro, it 1 of 2 distros that uses TDE |
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| _Chris_ | It's a nice example what is possible to do with TDE. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ for desktop icons, 130 with for an icon, is fine for display "Mis documentos" without a wrap |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I also had some idea that default value could be changed. But that has
to be tested, also for different resolutions or such things. |
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| pitriss | Personally I would not touch these things |
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| pitriss | Default is good, sane even for old machines with old tiny screens |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, no fear, pitriss. Just talking. Nothing done without discussion. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | The thing is, that this defaults to "auto" setting. |
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| pitriss | Just my 2 cents as I just looked here :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, good to read you again. :-) |
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| pitriss | hehe
yeah.. I have not as much time as i had month ago.. I stumbled over a
really nice girl that looks like my possible future wife, lol.. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, good to hear that. Sounds wonderfuly. (Y) |
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| pitriss | It
is.. I'm already old fart but I feel like 8yo boy who is in love for
the first time:) So I'm trying to enjoy that as much as possible:) But I
will read backlogs every now and then.. Just not daily :) |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. Now we know. :-) |
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| vita_cell | SlavekB can't run Telegram in TDE |
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| vita_cell | http://dpaste.com/161QET7 |
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| mutantturkey | SlavekB: cool i got the tdepim working |
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| mutantturkey | has anyone played with the raptor engineering box that tim provided for power builds? |
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| SlavekB | mutantturkey, we are gradually working on migration of services from the current primary server to the new "tde-box". |
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| SlavekB | See http://23.155.224.73/ |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, I already have a virtual machine 'builder' defined on
tde-box, so ppc64el and arm64 packages in PSB and PTB are now built on
the tde-box builder. |
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| mutantturkey | this was a specific box mentioned by tim for live power9 work |
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| SlavekB | mutantturkey, yes, this his machine based on Power9 dedicated for TDE. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ |
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| vita_cell | https://github.com/lxqt/compton-conf |
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| vita_cell | this can be a great feature for TDE desktop. Giving it a user-frinsliness |
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| vita_cell | I am not sure what widget QT version does it use |
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| _Chris_ | "It
is maintained by the LXQt project but can be used independently from
this desktop environment.", so that is at least using Qt4, if not Qt5, I
would say. |
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| vita_cell | Compton
has a lot of exotic and confugin option, you always have to study all
the crap for just configure Compton for you needs, and with GUI probably
you can avoid all that wasted time |
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| _Chris_ | Is
that one working for you in TDE? Best way would be to look for that
application and integrate this options within the likely compton-tde
config widget. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ I still don't know how to compile stansalone TDE's componentes, don't know how to use CMAKE |
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| _Chris_ | Absolutely an good idea to offer such a tool, or better add all this kind of options to the transparency tab. |
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| vita_cell | what I think is: a desktop environment should be easy to use, it a must I think, it is a nice long run goal |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you don't have tried to change that SlackBuild file, right? This way it would be a good way. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ all that just confusing me. I still prefer to compile standalone components |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it seems this has to be some issue to open. My list about opening issues is getting bigger. :-) |
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| vita_cell | are all TDE's components written in C++? |
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| vita_cell | does it accepts C? |
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| _Chris_ | Have you simply trief to follow what is described in the TDE wiki about building? |
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| _Chris_ | Not
all is written in C++. you can mix up. Also Kaffeine, for example uses
xine-lib, which is C. There are many bindings for other languages for
doing something in TQt3 and TDE. |
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| vita_cell | Yeah,
I already read it, but still confusins, and that wiki looks incomplete,
I mean, it should give an example compilation like "look here how I
compile kvkbd" |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: I looked for transparency tab and there is already a bunch of settings there. |
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| _Chris_ | But some are missing, yes? |
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| vita_cell | I don't really know. But one of the most important setting (a must!) in compton is screen redirect option |
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| _Chris_ | What does that do? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
It would be very good, if you could open some issue about that by your
own and just make some list the features which are lacking (at best with
command line arguments?), so someone could add them by time. |
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| vita_cell | here is my setting greatly working(settings that I can not to use in TDE, because I can not to comtrol autostart stuff/commands) |
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| vita_cell | http://dpaste.com/1C5J09N |
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| _Chris_ | I
think the application you linked is a nice overview, but this options
has to be integrated in existing settings dialog, to be consistent and
not to trow away work already done by people. |
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| vita_cell | unredir
full screen, makes avoid compositing full screen apps, like games, so
you can enjoy your games like without a desktop compositor. Desktop
compositors ruins game experience |
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| vita_cell | so it a must option, and should be default definitely |
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| _Chris_ | And that works perfectly this way with compton-tde? |
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| vita_cell | for a command, you only need to run this at startup "compton-tde /home/myuser/compton.conf' |
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| _Chris_ | If so, yes. That is really worth opening an issue. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, I think that the GUI conf tool could be better integrated into TCC than standalone app |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
following. I will open some issue about that. It seems to me that
options which should be default makes very sense, if you see that could
be huge benefit for all users using TDE with compton-tde. |
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| vita_cell | I
did not test it in TDE still (will test), I just turn compton off,
because it ruins my games. I want to control somehow TDE's autostart
stuff |
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| _Chris_ | But,
don't get me wrong. It would be very nice if you could report yourself
some issues. There are no dragons, all nice people you know. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, okay. Yes, that testing is important than. But I think, we can investigate than in the issue. |
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| _Chris_ | So I will create some next hour or so. |
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| vita_cell | here
is just things to know, that some compositiong options could not work
fine with other GPUs drivers, I dont really know it. But with GUI conf
app, users can configure it |
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| vita_cell | I just know that unredir option is a must, and maybe the most important |
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| vita_cell | (if desktop compositor is enabled) |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Options added is no problem normaly. Maybe also some command line arguments input field. |
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| vita_cell | imagine
some n00by user installs TDE and try to game, and he totally ignore the
mean of desktop compositors, he will see that his game runs like shit |
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| vita_cell | I still miss autostart control in TDE, it is a some basic desktop function |
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| _Chris_ | This problems are the reason I got a drauma from using transparency and not touched it since a long time. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, now we create some issue about compton-tde first. (Y) |
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| vita_cell | yeah |
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| vita_cell | how
you usually program a GUI app in TDE? what tools do you use for this? I
expect everything already included in TDE for depeloping for TDE |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/twin/compton-tde/man/compton-tde.1.html#L1158 |
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| _Chris_ | It seems that is supported in compton-tde too. |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| vita_cell | what
I don't understand, how the fuck MS-Windows does the whole desktop
compositing so good. If you see in KDE5, here is dirty workaround for
unredir full screen games, at game run KDE5 turns off all desktop
compositing, turning off the transparency too. All of that looks bad and
ugly |
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| _Chris_ | Now,
that is most likely because of X11. It is very old. And yes, that could
be all fixed in wayland. But that is something new and I am sceptical
about that, because of fear that goes in the same direction as systemd.
Anyway, TDE will try to support X11 and wayland. We will see. |
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| _Chris_ | To avoid this kind of glitches, wayland was born, which does compositing on it's own, more or less. At least better integrated. |
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| _Chris_ | But I think many people still want to hold their X11 for a good reason. |
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| vita_cell | I
think that Wayland is too alpha/beta. It needs a huge maturing time,
like 10 years at least (I think). X11 devs they realized in hte 90's
that X11 is old and limited, and too complex, so why they did not start a
replacement if they knew already that X11 is dead end, but they
maintained the worthless development. |
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| vita_cell | definitely systemd is crap. And not needed |
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| vita_cell | and well Wayland+GNOME3, does not solve anything |
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| vita_cell | GNOME3 is the shittiest desktop that GNU/Linux could have |
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| vita_cell | X11? everything is done for X11, and any proprietary stuff? so X11 will be with us for at least another 30 years |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/74 |
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| vita_cell | But
I really hate that "stuff breaking" game, because they don't care about
backward compatibility, but at least they added XWayland |
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| vita_cell | nice,
but, here is missing autostart control, so as here is no documentation
for it. When you turn on the compton-tde, it just autostarts, but here
is no way (or one clear or documented one) to modify the autostart
compton's command |
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| vita_cell | I know it is another problem, but will affect for setup compton-tde (the problem I have) |
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| _Chris_ | You don't need that if you can (what I wrote about too) configure all autostart options. Command line options, right? |
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| _Chris_ | If you are allowed to have some input field for that, it will work. |
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| vita_cell | one thing I never could to understand, any devs (look at GNOME3 devs) don't use their products and I can not to understan why |
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| _Chris_ | I will open some issue now about lacking documentation about creating.. styles, or what you wanted to create? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is mostly true for.. I mean... OpenBSD too. |
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| _Chris_ | Most devs out there of OpenBSD seems to use Linux. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ I can enable compton-tde from TCC, but here is no way I can modify the startup command |
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| vita_cell | yes, add argument options input box could be a workaround |
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| vita_cell | but better fix will be GUI integrated config tool, and autostart editor |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ also you can add the issue of laking documentation about compiling TDE's components like I explained above |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: No, there is documentation. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Developers |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ yes, the best thing someone could do is document porting KDE3.5 themes/styles for TDE |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_Extra_Applications |
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| _Chris_ | And there is a specific part about CMake. You only need to know your paths. |
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| _Chris_ | And,
if that is not working for you, I wrote yesterday, please paste output
with some paste link and we can look for that by time. |
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| vita_cell | This
info is no clear, I always compiled my stuff with ./configure and Make.
I have no idea about CMAKE. So, how I could know to where I should add
all that CMAKE options text? |
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| _Chris_ | For configure you have arguments, so for CMake. But let me now create the next issue, please. :-) |
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| vita_cell | yeah, and where are those arguments? |
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| vita_cell | or to where I should add them? |
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| vita_cell | I am in /kcmautostart folder, and now what should I add or run? |
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| _Chris_ | We can talk later about that, okay? :-) |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| _Chris_ | We will get that working, no fear. |
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| vita_cell | nice |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/24 |
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| vita_cell | yeah, if someone knew how to port some KDE3.5 themes/styles, that person surely can do a wiki |
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| vita_cell | I just need that for see how everything works here |
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| _Chris_ | Sure.
And it seems, the building wiki is updated, alone because it suggest qt
arguments and vars, not tqt ones. That needs to be fixed too. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
But just to be honest, don't think someone will step up to create a
full theming wiki in some days now. Someone has to work on that. |
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| vita_cell | What
I really always liked is make my GTK2 look like WindowsXP. Which with
some hard work I got it. But in TDE things are too different, and more
complex, and documentation lack makes steps steps bacnk and this doesn't
allow you to keep thinking about it |
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| vita_cell | I expect that every class or TDE's API converts Qt to TQt |
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| vita_cell | *of |
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| vita_cell | Yeah Chris, I assume that |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: There are scripts for converting some things. They are used to convert applications from Qt to TQt and KDE3 to TDE. |
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| vita_cell | where are those scripts? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I wanted to show you. |
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| vita_cell | so are those some autoport scripts? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/experimental/tree/ |
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| _Chris_ | But,
they don't work for all KDE3 applications. Sometimes there is more work
needed. Twinkle (SIP application) is such an example. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Do you want to help me with RU and ES again? |
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| _Chris_ | Name=Device Informations |
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| SlavekB | TE == Telugu :) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: And I will try look into it to edit the building wiki this evening or tomorrow. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ what do you want to translate? |
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| _Chris_ | Name=Device Informations |
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| vita_cell | Información del dispositivo |
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| vita_cell | свойства устройства |
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| vita_cell | Nombre=Información del dispositivo |
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| vita_cell | Имя=свойства устройства |
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| vita_cell | Свойства устройства |
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| _Chris_ | No, just that behind the =. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: This way? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/72/files |
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| _Chris_ | Or to be exact: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/commit/74a3b79cd15ed0c8a3e10b5a7ad940c4369b64e4/applnk/tde-settings-information.directory |
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| vita_cell | huh it is a .desktop file |
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| vita_cell | Name[es]=Información del dispositivo |
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| vita_cell | Name[ru]=свойства устройства |
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| _Chris_ | Right, you can't translate that in Weblate at the moment. But Slavek is working hard to make that happen. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | свойства устройства |
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| _Chris_ | or Cвойства устройства |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Because, if you confirm it is right now, it could be merged. |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys. I just logged in and not read whole backlog but.. I
don't think that anything from LXQT could be backported here as its
whole on QT5.. Yes, it is as absurd as it sounds.. light DE built on QT5 |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: No fear, I created some issue. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/74 |
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| _Chris_ | If, it will be nicely integrated to existing dialogs and existing work. |
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| _Chris_ | This LXQT thing was just to show which options are lacking to change. |
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| pitriss | ok |
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| vita_cell | Cвойства устройства, because it is a name I think |
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| vita_cell | pitriss QT5 look anything, but lightweight |
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| pitriss | yeah |
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| vita_cell | I (n00b) really want to help with some code, want I really want to learn, but C or C++ aren't my strengh |
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| vita_cell | first I need to learnt how to compile TDE's stuff, and then learn and study the code, API, classes |
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| mutantturkey | good morning. |
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| mutantturkey | vita_cell: yeah or just pick something small you can dig on |
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| mutantturkey | KPDF search... the search box always disappears and i have no idea why.... wish it stayed open |
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| mutantturkey | one time i will go and fix it |
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| mutantturkey | but not today lol |
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| vita_cell | guys
can someone explain me somethings? If I have a program written in C, so
in the main.c I have includes for other classes, said this I will have
my-executable(which is main.c?), and other inclues will be system
objects(*.so) is that right? |
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| denk | class is a part of C++, C does not know anything about classes/objects |
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| vita_cell | denk that is, but what if you have some *.c files? so will you compile all of the to executables? |
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| denk | we can talk in private |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Well, than that can be merged. |
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| vita_cell | what thing? |
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| _Chris_ | That PR (Pull Request). This change. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Thank you very much for contributing that two translations. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_
that is nothing, I am planning to continue to translate Amarok, and
more things obviously. But translations are easy thing. So I want to
learn TDE/TQt3, what I want is be capable for making GUI apps (C/C++) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but, it was helpful. Because, most likely, if you hadn't contributed
that now here in IRC, it would be not fixed in years, I think. You know,
desktop files are not editable with Weblate. Now you used the chance,
which was very good. |
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| vita_cell | nice |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Are you here? |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | I need your help once again. |
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| _Chris_ | Name=Languages |
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| _Chris_ | Name=Mathematics |
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| _Chris_ | Name=Miscellaneous |
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| _Chris_ | Name=Science |
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| vita_cell | Name=Idiomas |
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| vita_cell | Name=Языки |
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| SlavekB | Later, now I'm going to go home :) |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: No, that was not for you. |
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| _Chris_ | All good. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: You can write further. |
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| vita_cell | so |
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| vita_cell | Name=Languages (Name=Idiomas,Name=Языки) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| vita_cell | Name=Mathematics (Name=Matemáticas,Name=Математика) |
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| vita_cell | Name=Miscellaneous (Name=Diversos,Name=Разнообразное) |
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| vita_cell | Name=Science (Name=Ciencia,Name=Наука) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Thank you very much! That is for additional menu categories. |
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| vita_cell | :) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Are you also having KDE4/KDE5 installed on the same machine you use TDE? |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ yes, KDE4 is installed because Slackware, KDE4+XFCE4 |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. How is your menu organized? Is there a dedicated KDE4 menu, or how KDE4 applications are organized? |
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| vita_cell | yes, usually I have other KDE menu for every category. I don't see mixed stuff |
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| _Chris_ | Can you give some example of structure? |
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| vita_cell | What TDE needs is some default apps selection like in LXDE (well made in that DE) |
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| _Chris_ | There is one, if you mean that. Settings -> TDE-Components -> Default-Components. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that should be better named "Default-Applications"? |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ do you have Telegram? |
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| vita_cell | it will be easier |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
why you ask? But I don't mix that up, so sorry. You can just give me
some example like: Graphics -> KDE4 -> ... or what ever. |
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| vita_cell | APPLICATIONS: ciencia, idiomas, languages, mathematics, miscellaneous, science, matematicas, varios |
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| vita_cell | some categories repeats, in different languages categories names |
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| _Chris_ | I see. Unrelated to that: That seems to be wrong. But you don't use kicker, right? |
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| vita_cell | kick is start menu? |
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| _Chris_ | Kicker is the default panel used in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | And I was more interested into how KDE4 applications are sorted. |
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| vita_cell | it is default panel |
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| _Chris_ | But, yes. |
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| vita_cell | I use bkfx as start menu |
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| _Chris_ | It
could be that that doubling is because of some doubled files. One
category for KDE, one for TDE. The KDE ones have no translation. I
wanted to remove them from TDE, but I am not sure if they are still
needed. For example to sortout KDE4/5 applications out of TDE
application categories, or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you have some submenus named "KDE4" or "KDE5"? |
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| _Chris_ | Or simply "KDE"? |
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| _Chris_ | Or is Konqueror, for example just in the same category as Konqueror (KDE4)? |
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| vita_cell | yes I habe "KDE" |
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| vita_cell | *have |
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| _Chris_ | For every category? So there are than your KDE4 applications? |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| vita_cell | I think it is not mixed |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, bad. That would mean this files are still needed. Otherwise they would end up mixed, I think. |
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| vita_cell | it is worse mixig all that stuff, than having just KDE4 submenu |
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| _Chris_ | And let me know: The KDE related submenus are untranslated? |
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| vita_cell | KDE4 have translated apps names |
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| _Chris_ | No,
I mean. Let's say "Office Applications" is there some submenu "KDE"
under that menu and in that are all KDE4 related office applications,
for example? |
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| vita_cell | OFFICE APPLICATIONS: here is 2 menus, "KDE" and "Office" |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, right. What is in "KDE", for example? |
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| vita_cell | Braindump, calendary, calligra *, Contacts, kmail, korganizer, karbon |
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| _Chris_ | And that are all KDE4 applications? |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| vita_cell | qt4 |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, thank you. So this menus can't be removed. That would be very bad. |
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| vita_cell | not to be removed |
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| _Chris_ | No, if this files are related to that, they will stay that way. |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
I found out that this KDE submenus lack any translation. I will sync
that translations with the ones used by the TDE submenus in next time,
so that should be shown in the proper translation. |
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| vita_cell | ok |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ what IRC client I can use in Android? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, never used one in Android. Good question. |
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| _Chris_ | For free software you can use FDroid market. |
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| vita_cell | yeah I know. The problem I have is, the one I tryed, it disconnects as soon wifi connection goes out |
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| _Chris_ | Might be the case that all clients will do that, because that is not Jabber. But I might be wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | So at leat a new connect is needed. |
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| TomTheDragon | pitriss: I've tried out lxde and it's sluggish and not light in terms of memory usage at all. |
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| TomTheDragon | lxqt* |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
Can you help again? -> Comment=This folder displays the contents of
your Trash Bin -> One time for ES and one time for RU, please. :-) |
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| vita_cell | sure |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Esta carpeta muestra el contenido de tu papelera |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| vita_cell | How you translated the trash bin in Russian? it is not good idea to call it differently |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | Name[ru]=Корзина |
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| _Chris_ | Just the way it is used on the desktop. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kdesktop/init/Trash |
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| _Chris_ | I also used that of a source for ES. |
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| _Chris_ | Name[es]=Papelera |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Данная папка показывает содержание вашей корзины |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you very much! :-) |
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| vita_cell | :) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Name[ru]=Приложения по умолчанию |
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| _Chris_ | Does that mean Default Components or Default Applications? |
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| _Chris_ | Because,
you searched for that last time and I pointed you to that. It seems in
German it was wrongly translated and I want to be sure it is right for
RU. |
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| _Chris_ | Seems it was named Default Components back in KDE2 days or so. Because the file is also named componentchooser.desktop. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ Приложения по умолчанию=default applications |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Thank you. |
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| vita_cell | :) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Are you here still? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | GenericName=Device Monitor |
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| _Chris_ | Comment=Monitor hardware devices from the system tray |
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| _Chris_ | Name=Device Manager |
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| _Chris_ | Keywords=hardware;devices; |
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| _Chris_ | Comment=Configure hardware devices |
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| _Chris_ | Name=User Interface |
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| _Chris_ | Comment=Configure user interface options |
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| _Chris_ | Keywords=konqueror;kfm;user;interface;tabbed;browsing; |
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| _Chris_ | Comment=Trash Properties |
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| _Chris_ | Keywords=trash;properties;size;limits;delete |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Would be nice, if you could do that. So I can do that in one PR also for RU and ES. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
And that one would be nice to have too -> Name=My Computer ->
Keep in mind we talk about that "Computer" icon on the desktop, if you
translate that. |
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| vita_cell | GenericName=Диспетчер устройств |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Отслеживание устройств в области уведомлений |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you! :-) |
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| vita_cell | those are the first ones |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. |
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| vita_cell | Name=Менеджер устройств |
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| _Chris_ | Can you first give me the ES ones from above? |
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| _Chris_ | Because so I can push them already. |
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| vita_cell | GenericName=Monitor de dispositivos |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Observe dispositivos desde área de notificación |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| vita_cell | Name=Administrador de dispositivos |
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| vita_cell | Keywords=оборудование;усройства; |
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| vita_cell | Keywords=hardware;dispositivos; |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Конфигурация устройств |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Configuración de dispositivos |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| vita_cell | Name=Пользовательский интерфейс |
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| vita_cell | Name=Interfaz del usuario |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Конфигурация параметров пользовательского интерфейса |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Configuración de los parametros de la interfaz del usuario |
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| vita_cell | what does mean "tabbed", what is referencing to? |
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| _Chris_ | Let me see. |
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| _Chris_ | Tabbed like tabs, which you have in Konqueror or other file managers or webbrowsers. |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise just translate it as "tab". |
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| _Chris_ | Keywords are used you can search by typing in TCC. |
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| vita_cell | Keywords=конкэрор;кфм;пользователь;пользовательский интерфейс;вкладки;навигация; |
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| vita_cell | Keywords=konqueror;kfm;usuario;interfaz;pestañas;navegacion; |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Свойства мусора |
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| vita_cell | Comment=Propiedades de la basura |
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| vita_cell | Keywords=мусор;свойства;размер;пределы;удалить; |
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| vita_cell | Keywords=basura;propiedades;tamaño;limites;eliminar; |
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| vita_cell | I observed that in modern Windows (like since Vista or 7) they don't say "My computer" anymore, only just "Computer" |
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| vita_cell | Name=Мой компьютер |
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| vita_cell | Name=My PC |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ done? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, done. Wonderful! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You are very, very helpful. It's really good to have someone for the RU language. |
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| vita_cell | :) |
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| vita_cell | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | I am giving you credits in the PRs. :-) |
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| vita_cell | nice! |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe I can also add to commits itself, second line. |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Sorry, it seems I have overseen your comment about the computer. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you can do that. In German TDE that is already the case. How can decide. |
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| _Chris_ | Is the "My" used for "Network", "Documents" or "Personal Folder" or so on the desktop for icons otherwise in your language? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: My PC in ES? Is that right? |
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| _Chris_ | Have changed ES now to "Mi PC", most likely a typo with the "my". |
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| vita_cell | for Network is "Сетевое окружение" |
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| vita_cell | My documents=Мои документы |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, I have used My PC now. Mi PC. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, it is better |
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| vita_cell | OMG KDE4 is ultra bloated slow bitch on a netbook with N450 Intel Atom |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I know that CPU's. Yes, true point. |
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| vita_cell | Wow,
is just amazingly and truely painfully ultra slow with this KDE4, and I
am Slackware user (which is lightweight when not running bloated
desktop) |
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| vita_cell | will try it with TDE, and let's see. Both TDE and KDE4 are similar on RAM consumption, btu CPU...well... |
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| vita_cell | netbooks are useful for testing software efficiency |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, they are. I have some too, but don't came by to install TDE on it. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ do you think that Wayland is more lightweight than X11/xorg? |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. More lightweight? Maybe. But what is the price? We will see. |
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| _Chris_ | Look
systemd. You don't need to think anymore, much more lightweight. You
don't have to care about some deamons. All integrated for free. Some
people don't think that is some good direction. But we should not start
that here. Just some example. |
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| vita_cell | X11
is shittiest software of GNU/Linux OS, but if Wayland is more
lightweight, the main goal of lightweightness goes out, because it
doesn't make sense running it alongside bitchy bloated desktop
environment like GNOME3 or KDE5 |
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| vita_cell | systemd looks a good software on the paper, and good idea maybe. But only that |
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| vita_cell | http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3027 |
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| vita_cell | also, it looks like systemd is not lightweight like is old SysVinit |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I am most annoyed when I see process number 1 is a 'D' state. |
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| vita_cell | LoL |
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| pitriss | Devuan is the answer for issues with systemD ;D |
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| * pitriss is crawling back under his rock.. |
| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| vita_cell | So guys, you, like me, don't like SystemD |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| vita_cell | Nice |
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| _Chris_ | But TDE isn't about any dictating. So people can use systemd. |
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| vita_cell | But I also hate automatic dependencies resolution, it always makes me pain in the ass, or something always breaks |
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| vita_cell | yeah, that is nice |
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| vita_cell | I
have one question, it is something that I don't know about. Almost all
desktop environments for GNU/Linux lack for video playing detection. So
as result, your power system manager turns on the savescreen or turns
off the screen. |
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| vita_cell | MS-Windows does it, and GNOME3 too. |
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| _Chris_ | I think Kaffeine or so have some option for that. At least it is possible. Oh, yes, you can also do it in TDEPowersave. |
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| _Chris_ | There are options for blacklisting. |
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| vita_cell | it annoying when you are watching youtube or playing some video or movie with some media player |
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| _Chris_ | But,
you most likely mean streaming in the web, right? Now, that's some
thing. Bad to detect that these days. I think PaleMoon has or had some
option. |
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| vita_cell | somehow Windows and GNOME3 do that at the system level |
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| vita_cell | hmmm I use Palemoon |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you know how Windows XP did that? |
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| vita_cell | No, I have no source code for XP, lol |
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| _Chris_ | You will find out if you now use it on very old computers. I doesn't work there anymore. CPU load is just taken into account. |
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| vita_cell | and even with Windows2000 I understand almost nothing, lol |
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| vita_cell | huh, maybe it does with CPU load |
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| _Chris_ | TDEPowersave is doing it likely, I think. Never looked how. But if some things are working, there is often delay. |
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| TomTheDragon | Was looking at libraries, and libtqtcairo.so seems to be linked with gtk3? Is trinity's qt really implemented over top of gtk? |
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| _Chris_ | TomTheDragon: Hm? On your system? No, as far I know there isn't and most likely will never this work going on. |
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| _Chris_ | That just comes from the gtk3-tqt-engine -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/gtk3-tqt-engine/src/branch/master/tdegtk - No fear. All is good. |
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| _Chris_ | TomTheDragon: That just comes from the gtk3-tqt-engine -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/gtk3-tqt-engine/src/branch/master/tdegtk - No fear. All is good. |
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| _Chris_ | There is not work on that. Most likely that never will. And if ever, that should be highly optional. |
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| TomTheDragon | _Chris_: I see, so that's not the tqt libraries themselves. |
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| _Chris_ | TomTheDragon: No. All is good. :-) |
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| xenial64-user | Requesting help to restore TDE on my PC! |
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| _Chris_ | xenial64-user:
Welcome. Just write done here what is your problem exactly and wait a
bit. I will have to go offline now, but I am sure someone will later
read that and can maybe help you. :-) |
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| xenial64-user | I
installed many DEs from Synaptic Package Manager and wanted to try them
out, but then the system stays on the boot info screen. These messages
are from a live Puppy Linux session. Thank God you answered! |
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| xenial64-user | The terminal in Synaptic mentioned init.d if that helps. |
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| xenial64-user | Has somebody else seen my question while I wasn't in this room? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdebase/commit/?id=38c5bf68 |
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| vita_cell | wow great!! |
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| _Chris_ | There are two other commits with credits to you too. :-) |
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| vita_cell | thanks |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ what is "kde-xp" package? and where I can find it? |
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| _Chris_ | Never heard of it. Might be some XP style/theme for TDE. Where have you read about it? |
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| vita_cell | yes I think |
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| vita_cell | https://quickbuild.io/~trinity/+archive/ubuntu/trinity-v3.5.13/+index?batch=75&direction=backwards&memo=375&start=300 |
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| vita_cell | look at the packages |
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| vita_cell | kde-xp 1.2-11 |
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| _Chris_ | https://addons.videolan.org/p/1112932/ |
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| vita_cell | ah, a splash screen |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely there were other components, like style and icons. |
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| _Chris_ | It was before R14, it seems and I don't think that is maintained still. |
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| vita_cell | might not to maintain, and could be just finished software, lol |
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| vita_cell | *need to |
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| _Chris_ | What I mean is, that maybe it was never ported to work on R14. |
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| _Chris_ | That means there is just someone needed to make it work again. |
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| vita_cell | it does work, because I have already copied all this stuff into my /opt/trinity |
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| vita_cell | just icewm has some bugs with window corners |
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| _Chris_ | Icewm? You mean the style? |
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| _Chris_ | As far as I know there is something imported about icemwm styles or so some months ago. I don't know exactly anymore. |
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| vita_cell | window manager theme |
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| vita_cell | so twin runs icewm theme |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, there was work on that recently. |
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| c010r | hello? |
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| c010r | anybody here? |
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| c010r | auto quitting in 15 mins if no response... |
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| _Chris_ | c010r:
You can write what is your problem and maybe someone will help you,
okay? But don't expect that someone will istantly answer, especially if
you don't write exactly what problem you have. |
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| c010r | the auto quit kicked in cya |
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| _Chris_ | ... |
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| SlavekB | apparently a big loss that the user c010r left us ;) |
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| hmtheboy154 | Hello |
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| hmtheboy154 | I'm new to trinity, really love the DE |
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| hmtheboy154 | But there's problem with TDM on my Mageia 7 |
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| SlavekB | I am not sure if there is any knowledgeable Mageia. |
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| hmtheboy154 | I'll check journalctl to see what the problem is |
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| hmtheboy154 | btw, I saw the changelog of 14.0.7 .When will it release ? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you can see syslog, if there is something about start tdm and XOrg log and tdm.log. |
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| hmtheboy154 | Where is the tdm.log ? |
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| SlavekB | On Debian / Ubuntu tdm.log is the usual directory /var/log. |
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| hmtheboy154 | ok |
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| SlavekB | The
plan is to close R14.0.7 at the end of October or early November so
that packages can be built and released at the end of November. |
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| hmtheboy154 | Oh that's nice, so it's mean when Ubuntu 19.10 is offically released, Q4OS will too with the new version of trinity ? |
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| SlavekB | To my knowledge, Q4OS uses R14.0.7~pre packages for your upcoming releases. |
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| hmtheboy154 | ok. Because i have an old PC running Q4OS, just want to ask |
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| hmtheboy154 | So I checked journalctl and the log. |
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| hmtheboy154 | There was no log file and journalctl isn't say anything about TDM |
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| hmtheboy154 | Maybe TDM didn't start, anysolution ? |
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| BorgQueen | hello people. Getting an error I can't seem to figure out. |
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| BorgQueen | "could not read network connection list. /usr/.DCOPserver_localhost__0" |
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| BorgQueen | anyone have any suggestion. Been through the usual route of deleting related files |
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| SlavekB | what version of libice is installed? Is it >= 1.0.10? See bug 3027 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3027 critical, P1, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , TDE doesn't open in Arch Linux when libice-1.0.10-1 package is installed |
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| BorgQueen | libe64ice6 |
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| BorgQueen | I tried reinstalling |
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| BorgQueen | I read that, aye |
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| BorgQueen | this happened after an update |
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| BorgQueen | I'm guessing I should just reinstall? |
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| BorgQueen | ok odd I have the same version on this machine and it still works, I think |
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| BorgQueen | brb or not |
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| tobs | hey, I encountered this two months ago |
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| tobs | (also on Arch Linux) my workaround consisted of symlinking ~/.ICEauthority to /run/user/$(id -u)/ICEauthority |
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| tobs | but what is quoted in that bug report looks really suspicious and not related to that workaround at all |
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| Borg^Queen | ok all good on the laptop with the same version |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry didn't catch all of that |
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| tobs | Borg^Queen: I had the same problem some time ago (on the scale of 1-2 months) |
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| tobs | (also on Arch Linux) my workaround consisted of symlinking ~/.ICEauthority to /run/user/$(id -u)/ICEauthority |
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| Borg^Queen | ok will try |
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| tobs | but my system is not up to date right now, ymmv |
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| Borg^Queen | odd I don't see user in run dir |
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| tobs | hmm, then we're different |
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| tobs | let me remember how I arrived at this workaround |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, pclos here, I think it's in /var/run/user |
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| Borg^Queen | I don't see any files in there, hidden or otherwise for my use |
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| Borg^Queen | r |
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| tobs | I
think I eventually discovered (by reading relevant logs that I can't
recollect right now) that dcopserver was looking at $HOME/.ICEauthority
whereas this file was now living in /run/user/.../ICEauthority |
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| tobs | if that file does not exist in your case, the problem could be a different one... |
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| Borg^Queen | I do see it in /var/run/user |
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| tobs | (computers are terrible) |
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| Borg^Queen | lol |
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| Borg^Queen | normally I don't have problems with linux |
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| tobs | you mean you see an ICEauthority file in that directory? |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, I do |
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| tobs | then it may be worth a shot symlinking $HOME/.ICEauthority to that |
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| Borg^Queen | ok let me see if I remember the command ln -s /var/run/user/ICEauthority /home/user/ |
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| Borg^Queen | ok bing, let me try again to log on to tde |
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| Borg^Queen | nope |
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| Borg^Queen | the link is in there but not working |
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| tobs | :( |
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| Borg^Queen | I guess i have to resintall |
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| tobs | good luck! |
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| Borg^Queen | Thanks, I'm going to see if it happens again. |
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| Borg^Queen | Maybe I borked something during the update |
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| Borg^Queen | I have to assume the error was mine, since this machine is working with the same version of ice installed. |
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| Borg^Queen | no worries though, I've been saving me pennies and waiting for ssd sales. Scored 3 Barracuda drives for almost half the price. |
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| Borg^Queen | It isn't going to take long to reinstall. |
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| Borg^Queen | I do greatly appreciate your help. |
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| tobs | if only I could remember which logs pointed into the right direction... |
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| tobs | you're very welcome |
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| Borg^Queen | Will update you in about 30 mins. BBT. |
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| Borg^Queen | hey tobs, I figured it out |
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| Borg^Queen | DCOPserver_localhost__0
must symlinked to DCOPserver_localhost_localhost_10 and
DCOPserver_localhost_:0 to DCOPserver_localhost_localhost:10 |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry DCOPserver_localhost_:10 |
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| selk | Hi _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | selk: Hello. :-) |
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| selk | How the translations are going? |
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| _Chris_ | Not
so much at the moment, because I have some private things to care about
at the moment. But we have a hand full of very productive translators
and also vita_cell helped also a lot with ES and RU, which is very handy
to have someone knowing RU. |
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| selk | That's good. |
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| _Chris_ | Had you some time and motivation to test TDE with musl already? :-) |
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| selk | Yeah,
I'm looking forward to it, I still have to recover. Recently
I managed to publish the beta1 of the new version of Dragora, which
already includes installer. |
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| selk | (Once recovered, I will be adding TDE) |
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| _Chris_ | Some GUI installer? Which toolkit you used for it? |
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| selk | No, it's based on the ncurses dialog(1)s |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that would be wonderful. So with the new TDE box your distribution
could be added to the TDE website maybe, to show it includes TDE. |
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| selk | Sounds good! |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I just was interested what you used for that. |
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| selk | The installer is quite simple, trying to fulfill his undertaking as much as possible, which is to install the distro. |
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| selk | Since
this is a free/libre distribution, your video driver may not be well
supported, so Xorg may not work. The installer option has to
be there... |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
normaly some Debian kind of installer is enough. So that will work for
Dragora too. I just know that SuSE back in days used Qt3 for Yast as
installer and from what I still know that looked not bad. Today Q4OS is
using that too if I am not wrong here. But yes, it is not needed. |
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| selk | Well, under Qt3 it sure looks good. :-) |
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| selk | Why http://www.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ does not show all the commits/changes by default? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that has to do with some server problems. Slavek works on a new server. The new TDE box. You can see them here. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/patches/ |
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| selk | I can see it now, thx. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| selk | Lot of changes, a new version is planned/coming soon? |
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| _Chris_ | No,
at least not until next year from what I am aware of, but TGW has
brought up a lot of productivity and activity again to TDE. |
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| selk | What is TGW? |
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| _Chris_ | There is still lot to do. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/explore/repos |
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| _Chris_ | TDE Gitea Workspace |
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| selk | It contains all the repos |
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| _Chris_ | While weblate is: TDE Weblate Translation Workspace |
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| _Chris_ | It
adds a lot of productivity to TDE and it's really to work with that.
That said while I am normaly very skeptical to such centralized
solutions. |
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| _Chris_ | +nice |
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| selk | +1 |
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| _Chris_ | There is still bugzilla running. But with TGW you can very good organize things and and such things. |
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| hein1 | hello. It seems that the PPA's for Ubuntu are down? |
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| hein1 | it also gives me a 'build key missing' error when trying to add it to my repositories |
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| hein1 | wait never mind |
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| hein1 | i am an idiot |
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| hein1 | forgot to import the signing key |
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| Borg^Queen | I
have a network question, I have box here with a realtek rtl8111 / 8168 /
8411 pcie gigabit ethernet controller, it's only doing 1.5mbs, it was
doing 125 before I updated the HDs to SSD. |
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| Borg^Queen | hello to all btw |
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| SlavekB | Hi, do you have firmware-realtek installed? |
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| Borg^Queen | yes, dkms r8168 |
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| Borg^Queen | or is there something else I need? |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry it took me so long to reply |
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| SlavekB | you can look at dmesg to see if the kernel mentions any firmware. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok hang on |
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| Borg^Queen | it does r8168, which is what's installed |
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| Borg^Queen | if I understand your question correctly |
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| SlavekB | yes, that is correct. |
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| Borg^Queen | I was hoping we'd find a problem to fix. |
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| Borg^Queen | No clue now |
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| SlavekB | You see the speed at which the link was negotiated? |
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| SlavekB | mii-tool or messages from kernel |
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| Borg^Queen | I don't see anything, what would I look for |
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| Borg^Queen | hang on I'll use ethtool |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm not much there |
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| SlavekB | ethtool is good choise. |
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| Borg^Queen | it confirms the driver in use as r8168 |
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| Borg^Queen | I just checked the cable on another machine, it's fine |
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| Borg^Queen | I don't get it, it was working before I updated to ssds |
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| Borg^Queen | Happy Halloween! |
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| Borg^Queen | hi chris |
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| _Chris_ | Borg^Queen: Hello. :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | HI |
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| Borg^Queen | hey
know anything about network problems. I have a realtek 8111 here that
was running at top speed, until I did a reinstall after I replaced the
spin drives with ssds |
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| Borg^Queen | the os is pclos |
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| _Chris_ | Have you resolved your problem? Just have seen it later, but seems my connection broke while I was away. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes, that was what I meant. |
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| Borg^Queen | sorry? |
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| _Chris_ | But
I have no real idea about that. You could try.. to reset the BIOS,
maybe something related to interrupts? Just some random idea. Normaly
SSD should have better speed. |
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| _Chris_ | I was talking about that problem you wrote about now just in the moment you wrote it now again. Sorry for that. :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | no no worries |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tested that also outside of TDE? |
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| Borg^Queen | going to do that now as a matter of fact |
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| Borg^Queen | it was working on trinity before though |
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| _Chris_ | You can look for the mode in which eth0 (or how you device is named) runs. With ethtool, for example. |
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| Borg^Queen | yep |
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| _Chris_ | htool eth0. |
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| Borg^Queen | thinking the same thing |
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| _Chris_ | I mean ethtool. Maybe (why ever) it has changed the mode? |
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| Borg^Queen | I've tried changing modes didn't help |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe something related to udev, so maybe that hardware change changed your udev rules for that, or something like that. |
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| Borg^Queen | ugh |
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| _Chris_ | So setting it lower doesn't change or it is going only lower, but not better? |
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| _Chris_ | You have tried another cable? |
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| _Chris_ | And just the speed is more bad, but you don't get any lacking packages with a ping? |
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| Borg^Queen | first
thing, rebooted routers, port repeaters however, this is the only
computer with that problem other than a client laptop. but have realtek |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried to use the HDD again, just for verify? I know that is a stupid idea, but you have to verify this matters. |
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| _Chris_ | Because, if the fault is the SSD, it is pointless to search for other things. Than the question is: Why? |
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| Borg^Queen | ok getting top speeds with slax |
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| _Chris_ | How you test the network speed? Do you download something? Because sometimes SSD is more bad in writing. |
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| Borg^Queen | both, read and write to a network drive |
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| _Chris_ | Have
you rebuild your kernel or are you just using a normal one? Have you
verified you use the same kernel module for your NIC? Just if there are
alternatives, I don't know. |
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| Borg^Queen | 100MBs |
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| _Chris_ | And ethtool says 100MBs too? |
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| _Chris_ | So, is there any difference what ethtool says under slax and your system you use now? |
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| _Chris_ | If not, that is very interesting.. |
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| Borg^Queen | one moment |
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| Borg^Queen | ok this one is using the r8169 mode |
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| Borg^Queen | hmm |
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| Borg^Queen | going to try a 32bit version of pclos with tde |
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| _Chris_ | So a difference? |
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| Borg^Queen | same behavior on pclos 32bit |
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| Borg^Queen | it's definetly the driver |
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| _Chris_ | So they are using different drivers, yes? |
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| Borg^Queen | between slax with tde and pclos with tde yes |
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| _Chris_ | And the one under pclos is performing better, right? |
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| _Chris_ | So why ever that changed to load the other driver, which has lower speed, most likely. |
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| Borg^Queen | no, slax got full speed, pclos doesn't |
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| Borg^Queen | oooooh i switched to r8169 and now have full speed! |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so in the other way, I see. But now you know what is the problem. Now you can try to fix that. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful! :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | I need to black list r8168 |
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| Borg^Queen | Chris thank you SO much for your help |
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| Borg^Queen | let see if it works on the installed 64bit version |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. Most likely udev rules were changed, why ever. So another driver was used. |
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| _Chris_ | You are welcome. |
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| Borg^Queen | so I'm at half speed now, so need to remember the commands for full speed, |
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| Borg^Queen | I think I wrote them down |
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| Borg^Queen | ok got them, brb |
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| Borg^Queen | it's working |
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| Borg^Queen | chris!!!!! |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| Borg^Queen | U IS DUH HUMAN! |
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| _Chris_ | I was making some coffee. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. Good to hear that. :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | thank you |
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| Borg^Queen | LOL I'll get some breakfast now |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. You are welcome. Good we solved that now. |
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| Borg^Queen | ok changes made and rebooting,wish me luck |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| Borg^Queen | hey
chris, my email is borgqueen4@gmail.com, if you every need any spare
parts like ram etc. I have a HUGE collection. Just email me and I"ll
send them off to you. |
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| _Chris_ | Wow,
wonderful. Yes, that would be very handy for me maybe. I have some
collection myself, but sometimes I need some things still. From which
country you are? |
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| Borg^Queen | I'm from Ireland but in the US now. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
good to know. So for shipping we would need to find some solution, but
that can work anyway. I am sure. I will let you know if I need some
spare parts. I am also no one trashing any electronics and instead I try
to repair and fix devices and re-use them. |
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| Borg^Queen | don't worry about the shipping, |
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| Borg^Queen | where are you though |
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| Borg^Queen | 'I also fix things, no sense in throwing out something that be recycled |
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| _Chris_ | Germany. |
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| Borg^Queen | Oh I love Germany! It's so beautiful. |
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| _Chris_ | Very nice to see more people with that mentality here at TDE. |
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| Borg^Queen | Aye |
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| _Chris_ | I
therefore care very that TDE still can run on older hardware, which is a
big pro. Most other DEs these days just need OpenGL for running. But
there is work to make all the old IGP (integrated graphics) chipsets
working again by someone and I like that work very much too. |
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| Borg^Queen | lol ah |
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| _Chris_ | So,
if I need something special, I will let you know. But I am sure this
channel will not lost you any time in future, right? :-) |
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| Borg^Queen | I'll be on more now that I have more time. |
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| Borg^Queen | better to reach me with email though |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. It's just good to have a small but nice TDE community here in this channel. (Y) |
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| Borg^Queen | aye, agreed |
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| Borg^Queen | brb |
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| Borg^Queen | ok |
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| redlizard | Greetings. |
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| redlizard | I
just upgraded my debian trinity system to Buster, and now kmail can no
longer access any IMAP servers over TLS, giving me the error "Starting
TLS failed." |
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| redlizard | Has anyone seen this error before? |
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| SlavekB | Hi Redlizard, you use Trinity Preliminary Stable Builds repository? |
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| redlizard | Yes. |
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| SlavekB | An error related to the initialization of OpenSSL has already been fixed there. |
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| redlizard | Hm, that's interesting. |
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| SlavekB | There
may be another problem - if the server you are connecting to uses old
ciphers that are already disabled by default in Buster. |
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| redlizard | Possible, but I'm trying to connect to a bunch of unrelated servers, and they all have the same problem. |
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| SlavekB | See comments in bug 3024 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3024 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Starting TLS failed after upgrading to Buster |
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| redlizard | Well, except for the one old-as-fuck server that still uses SSL. |
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| redlizard | Well well |
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| redlizard | 140400353806528:error:141A318A:SSL routines:tls_process_ske_dhe:dh key too small:../ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c:2150: |
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| redlizard | [2019/11/06 02:10:56.843] [tdeio_imap] WARNING: TLS mode setup has failed. Aborting. |
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| redlizard | That does look like a cipher mismatch. |
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| SlavekB | You can try to enable older ciphers as mentioned in comment 11. |
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| redlizard | That doesn't quite do it... but maybe I need to reload something. |
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| redlizard | Gonna try a quick reboot to make sure. |
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| redlizard | SlavekB: That seems to have done the job, thank you very much :) |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| redlizard | I wonder why I can't find this bug report on google with any search terms whatsoever... |
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| redlizard | Also, is this a bug we could patch out? |
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| redlizard | kde5 kmail doesn't seem to have this problem on the same mail server, presumably it configures libssl in forgiving mode. |
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| SlavekB | It is possible that KDE5 does not use the default OpenSSL configuration, but the enabled ciphers are set in KDE settings. |
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| redlizard | That does sound plausible. |
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| SlavekB | pitriss, you can verify that tdepowersave#4 is resolved :) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: maybe I can.. But I am not at my PC at the moment.. Anyway I can try to look.. |
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| pitriss | But half of tdepowersave is greyed out here.. :D |
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| SlavekB | similar to my virtual test machine :) |
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| pitriss | I am searchim for a tiny litle bit of spare time to fill out bugreport to caldav support of korganizer |
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| SlavekB | Some bugreport I filled in earlier - you can see if this is the same problem. |
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| pitriss | work week events (monday-friday) are ending in thursday |
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| SlavekB | oh, that will be another problem. |
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| SlavekB | my problem is related to storing events / tasks that contain utf8. |
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| pitriss | please can you send me a link to a gitea? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/ |
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| pitriss | thank you |
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| pitriss | As
I finally updated baikal to latest version, and it is still showing
events in agendav and bussines calendar 2 app on my android correctly it
is definitelly bugged in the trinity code |
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| SlavekB | Do you use utf8 in events / tasks texts? |
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| pitriss | I can check it |
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| pitriss | BTW
korganizer pisses me off a little because it is still asking for
password instead of doing lookup into kwallet (I have set kwallet as
perma opened after unlocking) |
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| pitriss | and even if tdewallet will lock after some time, it should ask for tdewallet pass instead of pass to server |
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| SlavekB | I
use SOGo as a server and observe a problem while saving events / tasks.
When I tested it against a test instance of Zimbra, it worked without
problems. |
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| SlavekB | That's
strange - I don't see such a problem. I use integration not only CalDAV
(it is true that KOrganizer I run rarely), but also for CardDAV, which
is reflected in KMail and Kopete and the password I am asked only when
starting the program. |
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| pitriss | Ok when I created UTF-8 encoded event in the korganizer it is displayed correctly on my android app |
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| SlavekB | And when saving / editing such an event in KOrganizer everything goes well? |
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| pitriss | Seems like it is not saved when I try to edit them.. weird |
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| SlavekB | For me, in this case, a large window with an error message is displayed. |
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| pitriss | No errors or crashes generated on my side |
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| pitriss | but it seems like korganizer is unable to even delete it |
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| SlavekB | So it looks like the behavior I see with SOGo, but without error messages. |
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| pitriss | Yes.. As mobile calendar + Davx had no problem with deleting it |
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| CodeHunter | Is it possible to find the TDE icon/start button icon in the system? |
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| _Chris_ | CodeHunter: Try "/usr/trinity/14/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/kmenu.png |
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| _Chris_ | Where it differs by your prefix. Most likely it will be /opt/... |
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| CodeHunter | Thank you. |
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| CodeHunter | @_Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | But, if you just want to change your menu icon, keep in mind: You can change that by TDE utils already. |
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| CodeHunter | I
am just fooling around with a program and I am trying different Start
buttons and wanted to use the Trinity one because trinity is my favorite
de. |
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| CodeHunter | Thought I would ask here where to locate it. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yo if you don't have installed it, you can grab it also from the sources, if you want? |
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| _Chris_ | *so |
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| CodeHunter | I did a search for kmenu and found some. Thank you. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| CodeHunter | I run Debian with trinity on my desktop/laptop. |
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| pitriss | Hello guys, I finally found some time to document bug in korganizer. https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdepim/issues/36 |
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| pitriss | So I can tell I keep promises.. it took some time but report is done now :D |
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| SlavekB | Great. Later I will try to reproduce the same situation :) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
Just by random I found some file, while sorting some files. ->
~./.compton-tde.conf. I have not looked further into it and just wanted
to drop that finding to you. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ yeah I discovered it some time ago. |
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| pitriss | Guys
tdepackage on debian based systems does not like being opened with
session.. Is there any other workaround than blacklist it in TDE session
manager? |
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| pitriss | kpackage* |
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| agneli | hello |
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| agneli | I have an issue with debian buster and trinity... pretty funny one actually |
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| agneli | when I use tdm as a display manager |
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| agneli | I have no tty... :) |
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| agneli | and systemd claims getty.target, mutli-user.target and graphical.target are all inactive and dead |
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| agneli | it happened after upgrading the system from stretch to buster |
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| agneli | before it was working fine... |
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| agneli | maybe you have an idea what I have messed up? :) |
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| agneli | ach... when I use other dms it is all fine |
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| agneli | http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2806 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2806: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , tdm fails to shutdown plymouth/ no tty |
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| agneli | I did deactivate splash in grub... there was no effect... |
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| SlavekB | A colleague here has a Buster, has a TDE R14.0.7~pre, uses tdm, and everything behaves normally. Plymouth is not installed. |
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| agneli | I do have plymouth, but as said I did remove splash from kernel parameters |
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| agneli | and issue was still there... |
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| agneli | so I just need to wait untile new release? |
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| agneli | anyway thank you guys for keeping the greatest desktop alive :) |
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| SlavekB | The
new version will be from Preliminary Stable Builds. So if there is a
problem with something now, the problem will not disappear spontaneously
:) |
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| agneli | SlavekB: I am not sure I understand |
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| SlavekB | You asked if you just have to wait for the new release. |
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| agneli | should I be as wise as you are I'd be part of this team Sir :P |
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| SlavekB | Therefore,
I mention that as long as you observe the problem with the PSB
packages, in the final release will not solve the problem. |
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| agneli | achh OK |
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| agneli | when I am done with my current project I'd be happy to do some work here |
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| agneli | BTW will I be able to compile TDE on arm? |
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| agneli | I will be givng gentoo on arm a try :) I need TDE |
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| SlavekB | As you can see Debian and Raspbian packages are build for armel, armhf and arm64: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| agneli | ach yes you are right |
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| SlavekB | So it should be possible to build arm variant also on Gentoo. |
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| agneli | I did once appraoch it on vbox 32bit |
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| agneli | but somehow I failed |
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| agneli | I do not remember why |
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| _Chris_ | agneli:
I never tried to build TDE on Gentoo ARM, but that should work. But I
am not sure the overlay is compatible with ARM. At the moment the
overlay, at least that I am knowing is not working anymore, because some
TDE servers are under work and it has some missing or wrong deps. I
wanted to create some TDE maintained Gentoo overlay, but that still
needs to be done. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
using ** keywords, so it should compile under ARM too. But it's some
live build only - So 9999 (latest master branch), which is working very
fine here and is nice to use, if you want to contribute to TDE, because
you can very wonderfuly update your latest changes to your working
machine after they were merged. But I will be AFK now. |
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| agneli | _Chris_: Thanks for the info, let us see how it goes |
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| agneli | I
have an onging arm project in some other channel on this server :) if
that is successful we will move on to gentoo and then trinity |
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| _Chris_ | agneli: Interesting. In how far, do you want tot tell us? :-) |
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| agneli | echhh well there is a wonderful and hugely underestimated arm device |
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| agneli | with with small amount of RAM soldered on the mb... so I invested in chips and sent it to be resoldered with bigger chips |
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| agneli | thing
is we did not do RTG before so we have no idea if the pin needed to
address the chips is actually routed in the pcb of the motherboard |
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| agneli | so we are all waiting breathless when it will return... :) |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. I did something like that before too. But with some router, PDA and such. I did BGA reballing some years. |
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| agneli | then we will need to rebuild the bct/bootloader so the kernel recognizes the additional ram |
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| agneli | that is ddr2 |
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| agneli | so issue is they had neither stencil nor the software for the machine |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but the DDR2 chips are also BGA (Ball-Grid-Array) chips. You can't
solder them with some soldering iron. But with some air soldering. But
while that works with slim chips, that could be harder with GPU chips or
so, so you needed some proper infrared soldering station. |
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| agneli | we are all waiting breathless as there was only one such attemnt earlier but somehow the guy was not very cooperative |
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| _Chris_ | But you want to run TDE on it? |
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| agneli | and he finally gave up |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| agneli | yes Sir |
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| agneli | somehow I missed that you forked |
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| agneli | and only discovered you by accident like a year ago |
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| agneli | that was the happiest day of my computer life ever probably ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Me? No. TDE is a team. The fork was done in 2008/2010 by Tim. |
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| agneli | you is also plural :P |
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| agneli | do not make me think you are an egocentric ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Ach, I see. Yes. Many people just re-discover TDE. |
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| agneli | BTW, I am goint to test now - adding tdm to the multi-user.target as post exec |
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| agneli | ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Good luck. |
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| agneli | because tde is the greatest desktop ever |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| agneli | and tdm is the only dm that meets my requirements... |
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| _Chris_ | You are invited to contribute to everytime. You can also translate over weblate. What language you speak? |
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| agneli | speak? or write? :) |
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| * _Chris_ smiles. |
| agneli | I use english only as far as interfaces are concerned |
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| agneli | so you need translators the most? |
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| _Chris_ | No, but most of the time it is some easy thing to start with and yes, TDE needs translators always. |
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| agneli | for now I have 2 stupid scripts for tdm |
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| agneli | one adds current date to the greet line in tdmrc and the other changes background everytime tmd quits I think :) |
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| agneli | I added it to Xsetup |
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| _Chris_ | Nice, maybe you can contribute them? So pasting them and maybe they can be added as examples. |
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| agneli | you really want them? |
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| agneli | no problems |
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| agneli | they are very simple bash |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, why not? I don't know. Just in case anyone here is interested and maybe they can be added for some users to play with. |
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| agneli | let me maybe make sure they are well commented and I share |
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| _Chris_ | No stress. I will be AFK now for some time anyway. :-) |
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| agneli | Achhh |
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| agneli | JFK... that I know... but AFK... ;) |
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| agneli | I checked on the duckduck |
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| MCbx | Hello, anyone here used this new Weblate interface? (yes, I was using ordinary .po files before) |
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| agneli | MCbx: excuse me that I will interrupt |
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| agneli | so guys for this plymouth/tdm issue on debian |
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| agneli | buster |
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| agneli | I enabled rc-local.service in systemd and started tdm from there - works flawlessly including my scripts ;) |
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| _Chris_ | MCbx:
Hello. As far as I know you can still upload *.po files over Weblate
too. At least it seems some users do this, but I haven't tested or seen
it until now. What questions you have about Weblate? |
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| MCbx | Generally
is it normal that some strings are separated by literally <p> and
the closing tag is just not there? I haven't seen these in .po files. |
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| _Chris_ | Very
good question. That I experienced too. Sometimes the string is just a
part of some bigger string and is just seperated into some pieces, so
that other end could include </p> then. But we found also some
really wrong tags. Like opening <li> and closing it as </u>.
If you find something like that, just report it in TGW (Gitea) or here
simply. |
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| _Chris_ | *</ul> |
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| MCbx | Thanks
a lot. Another thing is with these multiple things, like %n file, %n
files. Should this "_n:" at start be preserved there? I found it not
present in some translations. |
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| _Chris_ | MCbx:
And sometimes Weblate has some problems with not getting green, if you
are at 100%, and you still get warnings about missing points or
something, which isn't true. That has to do with the way TDE is using it
and that cause some bugs in Weblate, which is already reported to
Weblate. |
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| MCbx | I
found some warnings, but they are mostly related to the same string as
translation (which just happens) or "format strings are wrong" with
these multiples. |
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| luke-jr | bleh, KOrganizer doesn't seem to like Android-generated recurring events |
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| luke-jr | (or Android-modified!) |
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| SlavekB | Somethink like this? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdepim/issues/36 |
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| pitriss | 378 |
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| pitriss | eh sorry guys random typo..:( |
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| denk | it was root password to the main server |
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| pitriss | Fortunatelly not..:D But happened to me few times :D |
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| _Chris_ | That made my day. :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, by the way, a new contributor to German translations has appeared :) |
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| SlavekB | ...and of course he started with the traditional mistake of translating Your names and Your emails. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Yes, I rally liked to see that and I just have fixed some things a bit
up he could't know so far. If I had seen it more early, I would had
fixed the translator informations myself. But thank you. |
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| _Chris_ | But it's nice to see it that I never needed to translate abakus myself. Seems that was a good start for him. |
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| SlavekB | Where someone inadvertently translates translator information, I try to fix it as soon as possible. |
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| _Chris_ | But seems there is also a new polish translator, who also messed up the translator informations. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, and François Andriot also make some translations and also with translation of translator informations :) |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| SlavekB | Abakus is also my favorite - simply because it is the first in the alphabet :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
some months ago, I added the empty translation file to it, because
otherwise you not noticed it had no translation. But I never came to it
to translate it myself. So it's a good thing to see it helped someone to
start translating. |
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| SlavekB | Same for me - I created a translation for Czech, but did not translate any string :) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| pitriss | Hello
guys.. Did anyone get idea about making some keepassx-trinity frontend
as that default one is so HUGE that doesn't fit to mz screen and there
are no reason for that.. And on other hand. when this will be done, this
can be also used as more secure kwallet |
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| _Chris_ | Some
TQt3/TDE frontend seems to be always good. But the idea about replacing
existing TDE code. Maybe some kind of integration would be nice. Or
simple existing alongside. Just looked into that application. Question
is, if it uses Qt5 only for the GUI or also fully internal. Because it
seems it's also made for Windows and MacOS. |
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| _Chris_ | And
it seems it does much more than just saving passwords. Which isn't bad.
But maybe some lightweight TDE GUI would be of use for it at first. I
just thought about having some TDE-Safe icon on the desktop, as a device
icon, which useses EncFS or something like that as selectable backend
and TDE applications can drop files their or something like that. Like a
secure place. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Seems
it needs the fully Qt5 stack to work and it's not build for different
GUIs, like it was in mind with pinentry, for example, for which exists a
TQt3 GUI now. ->dev-qt/qtconcurrent:5 dev-qt/qtcore:5
dev-qt/qtdbus:5 dev-qt/qtgui:5 dev-qt/qtnetwork:5 dev-qt/qtsvg:5
dev-qt/qtwidgets:5 media-gfx/qrencode. |
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| _Chris_ | And
from the code, it seems it is fully using Qt5 magic for internal kind
of things. So with a TQt3 GUI, you would need Qt5 to have installed
anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | So likely it would be better to just fork that code away from Qt5 and integrate in into TDE wallet, or so. I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | Just a quick summary, after looking at it. |
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| SlavekB | :D _Chris_, bug 3056 you might be interested |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3056 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Identical icons in Control center |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB:
Interesting. Yes. Good Q4OS is interested in that too. That with the
panels/desktop icons, I noticed already. We are one step further with
the replacing of the old classic icons to the new version which I made.
But the fact they are identical is still true. I will work on that. But
at the end we would need some artist for that. Maybe I can do some magic
to overlay some icons with others, to show some difference. We will
see. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | At
least what belongs to "(5) TDE
Resources (tderesources.desktop)", we are one step further
with my PR which is still in the think tank. |
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| SlavekB | We can try to ask E. Liddel in the mailing list if could help with creating new icons. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that would be some good idea. Maybe he know about the colors used by
the old icons and such things. I have some ideas to create some icons by
combinating them too. The KSensors icon for 48x48 is very overscaled,
for example, because the chip icon which it is using was not taken from
the 48x48 pixmap - Most likely from the 16x16 pixmap. |
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| a-865 | Are there people successfully running TDE on Mint 19.x? If yes, *buntu repos, or debian? |
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| SlavekB | a-865, in Mint 19 (Tara) release notes is mentioned: Linux Mint 19 is based on Ubuntu 18.04. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, I suppose it should be possible to use TDE for Ubuntu 18.04 == Bionic. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: that I'm aware of, but I was wondering if mint people are using TDE. |
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| a-865 | I've sold a mint user on TDE, but trying to figure out how he proceed. |
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| a-865 | he's very new to mint, and I suppose, to Linux |
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| SlavekB | Ach, I see. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: thx :-) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Are you already registered at TGW? |
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| vita_cell | hmmm I don't know |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/
-> If you are registered Slavek could add you to the contributors. I
just ask, because you maybe want to contribute some RU and ES
translations for the following PR, which is still pending: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/96 |
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| _Chris_ | You
don't need to do that with a commit, you also can simply add some
comment with the missing translation entries and some reference, to what
belongs the translation, if you like. |
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| vita_cell | Yeah,
I am already registered. Yeah I can do it, this week, but I don't
understand translations do you want. Here is a lot of stuff inside
tdebase |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, let me show you. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/96/files |
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| _Chris_ | Here you can see that the RU and ES entries are still lacking and beeing empty. |
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| _Chris_ | Just
the way we did it before in IRC, when I gave you the original Name=xyz
entry and you gave back the Name[RU]=xyz entry, you know? |
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| _Chris_ | All that is green means it was added, so is up for translation. |
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| _Chris_ | But,
if you want, you could see that as some kind of starting point to do
own commits with GIT. So if you like we could do that if you have time
the week or so. |
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| vita_cell | now understood |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| a-865 | SlavekB:
do you see each new bugzilla report periodically? I wonder if I should
add your email address to the DMARC bug I'm about to submit. |
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| SlavekB | No, I don't get new reports automatically. From time to time I check to see if there are any new reports. |
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| a-865 | Is https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3061 something anyone but Tim can do anything about? |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 3061: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , employ secure server (DMARC email authentication) for list mail |
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| SlavekB | Currently only Tim can change DNS records for trinitydesktop.org domain. |
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| SlavekB | I
personally am not pleased with DMARC, because for this one of the
building blocks is used SPF, which I consider to be totally wrongly
designed and therefore without the possibility that this technology
could be fixed. |
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| SlavekB | But I accept that the outside world is forcing us to use this technology (SPF), no matter how flawed :( |
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| a-865 | Is SPF required if DKIM is used, or is that similarly bad? |
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| SlavekB | DKIM is a very good solution which, in my opinion, makes SPF unnecessary. |
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| SlavekB | But DMARC requires both. |
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| a-865 | gmail publishes a DMARC record but does not publish a DMARC policy, so fails the https://mxtoolbox.com/ test :P |
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| SlavekB | The
SPF is nonsensical in that in order to be used and not cause problems,
the only option is to add "?all" or at least "~all" as last rule. |
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| SlavekB | ...and at the same time the SPF becomes completely useless. |
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| SlavekB | That's why I hate SPF. It is flawed and the only way to use it makes it useless. |
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| kackiz | hello? |
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| kackiz | :-D |
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| kackiz | Hey, does anyone even use this? |
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| tobs | Trinity or the channel? |
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| tobs | (The answer is yes in both cases.) |
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| kackiz | @tobs
oh, I know trinity works, marvelously, in fact. I was referring to the
IRC channel because every time I say something no one ever replies.
Anyway, I understand this channel is for questions and support, so I was
wondering if you (or anyone else) could tell me why K3b crashes every
time I try to burn a disc? |
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| tobs | I can't help you with that, sadly, but having the problem articulated now, maybe someone else knows what's up. |
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| tobs | (Some people don't see the point in replying to a "hello", a concrete problem is a better starter for them.) |
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| pitriss | hello guys.. tobs, thank you for pointing out how to ask on IRC, I fully agree with you |
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| pitriss | kackiz:
I never had issue with k3b.. Anyway, you didn't specified which kind of
disc, what distro you run trinity on, architecture etc etc.. Hard to
tell.. But in my case Devuan Jessie/Ascii amd64 and k3b for data disc is
ok |
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| _Chris_ | Some
note here: Specific to Debian/Devuan. It had/has some special and (some
people say) broken fork of cdrtools (which K3b is using). It might be a
good idea to test either original cdrtools/cdrecord or Wodim (the
fork). Some people had real problems with the fork. Just to try out. |
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| _Chris_ | Some background informations about that: http://cdrtools.sourceforge.net/private/linux-dist.html |
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| _Chris_ | The fork is "cdrkit" (wodim), while the original is "cdrtools" (cdrecord). |
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| selk | Hi all |
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| selk | Is cdrkit still maintained? |
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| selk | I think xorriso is the evolution of cdrkit |
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| selk | cdrkit was created due to the license issues of cdrtools |
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| selk | but accorded to the author of cdrtools (Joerg Schilling) |
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| selk | The CDDL license is free software |
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| selk | It is just that the person who catalogued the CDDL as "non-free" he never updated the status of his word about the CDDL... |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
Hello. I do not know about xorriso. But I know about libburn or so,
which has some compatibility layer, so applications like K3b could be
used they think some cdrecord binary is used. But I never tested that. |
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| selk | I haven't tried xorriso, but it has all the features of cdrtools plus its own extensions/options. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, good to know that. So that could be another option. (Y) |
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| selk | Yes, xorriso/libburnia is from the same author. |
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| _Chris_ | Ach, libburnia. That was the exact name. :-) |
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| selk | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libburnia |
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| _Chris_ | It
would be nice if someone could test that and report back. That could be
added to the K3b setup as some note, that it doesn't need cdrecord, but
alternatives are working too (if that is true). |
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| selk | Probably modern k3b is already using libburnia... |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: IIRC i am using wodim or hows it called |
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| _Chris_ | Porting
TDE's K3b to use libburnia as a lib would need porting. But if
libburnia people did their job good, the same binary calls for cdrecord
from K3B would work. In Gentoo, for example, you can just swap it. But I
never tested it. |
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| _Chris_ | pitriss: And does it work fine for you? |
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| _Chris_ | You
can compera that two (cdrtools and libburnia) to xine-lib and mplayer.
First is some lib, second is simply some binary which is called. |
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| pitriss | Yes it worked.. not using that on daily basis but last time i used it it burned CD..:D |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| kackiz | I
have posted this here already, but now that it seems that the topic is
back, I'll ask again. Does anyone know why K3b crashes every time I try
to burn a disc? I've had this issue for a year now across different
systems. |
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| _Chris_ | kackiz:
Have you seen what I wrote some hours before about wodim and cdrecord?
Because if not, it would be a good idea to try the alternative of what
you are using now maybe. |
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| kackiz | _Chris_: ok, I'll try it. Still, Isn't this something that should be fixed? |
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| selk | kackiz: Which are the messages coming from k3b? |
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| selk | Maybe you can try running in from the konsole, typing: k3b |
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| _Chris_ | kackiz:
K3B is more or less just using the functions of cdrecord and friends
for burning. Often the problem is device related and/or cdrecord
related. I experienced such problems too since several years and just
found out the problem were my burners, because the lense had no power
anymore. Back in the days you could adjust the laser power with some
poti, but with today devices, they are something for trash most of the
time at that |
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| _Chris_ | point. Question is if the device works for you if you burn with some other application? |
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| _Chris_ | If the problem is K3B related - Yes, sure that should be fixed. :-) |
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| kackiz | _Chris_:
Yes, I have used this device on Itunes on MacOS and it worked. It's
really just a cheap external Optical Disk Drive, but it gets the job
done. |
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| kackiz | selk: Iĺl try running K3b later today on terminal and see what it says. |
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| kackiz | thanks for the help guys :-) |
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| _Chris_ | kackiz:
Hm, you can try a different application under Linux too. Because maybe
it's connection related, if you say it's some external drive. Just some
idea. |
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| kackiz | _Chris_:
K3b Gave me a request for empty device, which means it's not detecting
the device. This probably means that K3b couldn't detect any devices and
so basically divided by zero, in a way. I guess it is my device's
fault. |
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| SlavekB | For all: Please can you see what path is used for XDG_RUNTIME_DIR on your distribution? |
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| SlavekB | On Debian, /run/user/$UID is used, and I have no idea whether this is the standard for all distributions. |
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| SlavekB | I need to verify this in the context of solving bug 3027... |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3027 critical, P1, ---, kb9vqf, CONFIRMED , TDE doesn't open in Arch Linux when libice-1.0.10-1 package is installed |
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| tobs | SlavekB: same path here on my Arch |
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| SlavekB | Thank you. |
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| SlavekB | Someone with a different distribution? :) |
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| tobs | oops, you probably knew that already according to that specific bug :) |
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| SlavekB | Thank you for verifying on Arch. In the bug description, it lists Felix, which is probably on openSUSE. |
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| _Chris_ | In Gentoo, at least for me it isn't set - So empty. |
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| SlavekB | Gentoo without systemd? |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
But I can't try with. Some things for systemd compatibility I have
disabled by hand. I think this is one of them. Normaly OpenRC has some
compatibility services for applications which expect some systemd
functionality. |
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| SlavekB | All right - thank you for the information. |
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| kackiz | I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 How can I check this? |
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| SlavekB | echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR |
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| kackiz | ok |
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| kackiz | It gave me /run/user/1000 I apologise I don't know what that means. |
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| SlavekB | Ok, thank you. |
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| SlavekB | I assume, that 1000 is our UID :) |
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| kackiz | oh |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Seems for systemd Gentoo it is using /run/user/xxxx too. |
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| SlavekB | Where xxxx is uid? |
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| _Chris_ | XDG_RUNTIME_DIR = '/var/run/user/1000' |
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| _Chris_ | To note: /var/run is a symlink to /run. You don't get confused. |
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| SlavekB | Ok, thank you. |
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| pitriss | for me on devuan it is not set.. so I guess it is using some default from somewhere |
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| SlavekB | Devuan == without systemd == probably without XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. |
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| SlavekB | In any case - thank you too :) |
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| kackiz | mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x is taking forever to respond or not connecting. Is this normal? |
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| kackiz | mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x is working again. |
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| trinityuser | hallp |
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| trinityuser | *hallo |
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| trinityuser | i like this old kde 3 feeling, thanks a lot |
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| trinityuser | but unfortunattely i learned bout trinity to late and now got used to the good old gnome and no are using mate |
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| SlavekB | But nothing is lost - you can install Trinity and quickly know you're back home :) |
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| trinityuser | yea, guess ill do so, i just have to clean up my disc a bit and update my debian first ;) |
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| trinityuser | btw do you still have the all in one pim kontact? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the Kontact is still available. You can choose whether to use the applications separately or covered in Kontact. |
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| trinityuser | grate |
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| trinityuser | what package on exe linux do i have to install to enable konqueror to access smb shares? |
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| trinityuser | (Devuan GNU/Linux debian fork) |
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| SlavekB | tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity |
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| trinityuser | ah thanks |
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| trinityuser | still got an |
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| trinityuser | Protocol not supported |
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| trinityuser | smb |
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| trinityuser | error, guess ill do a relog, thanks so far... |
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| trinityuser | grate, that worked fine |
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| trinityuser | have a nice time |
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| a-865 | E: The repository 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian buster Release' dos not have a Release file. |
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| a-865 | E: The repository 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian buster Release' dos not have a Release file. :( |
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| SlavekB | Packages for Buster will be available after final release R14.0.7. For now you can use Preliminary Stable Builds repository. |
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| pitriss | morning guys. I would like to ask.. Are there any requirements to desktop files to be automatically added into kmenu? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Have you got my private message yesterday? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, yes, I read the message. I just haven't looked at it in more detail. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Okay, no problem. I just wanted to let you know, so you know about. |
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| mirda | SlavekB:
I am dist-upgrading wheezy to jessie, but I got an error that some file
from package kpilot-trinity
(/opt/trinity/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/kpilot.mo) is not possible to
overwrite, because it belongs to package kde-i18n-cs-trinity |
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| mirda | is some way to resolve this please? |
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| SlavekB | Ensure that the tde-i18n-cs-trinity file isupdated first. Then the update os kpilot-trinity update will succeed. |
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| mirda | thank you very much |
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| mirda | dist-upgrade continues |
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| SlavekB | good to hear it. |
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| SlavekB | Here,
it would be a problem to specify "Conflicts:" for the kpilot-trinity
package, because all the tde-i18n-* languages would have to be listed. |
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| mirda | ah yes I understand |
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| kackiz | If
anyone here is having trouble with steam on TDE I'll try my best to
help you. You can contact me directly if you want a quicker answer. My
time is PST, so please keep that in mind. |
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| a-865 | 14.0.6 wants libIlm* 2_3 but Tumbleweed only has libIlm*2_4. :( |
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| SlavekB | This
is a "big advantage" of rolling distributions - they can be constantly
broken, because every update in a distribution can cause dependency
violations and thus break other packages. |
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| a-865 | "The
proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server."
trying to submit update to wiki page OpenSUSE Trinity Repository
Installation Instructions |
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| SlavekB | I know it occasionally happens. We are preparing to migrate the wiki to a new tde-box where we can solve this. |
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| a-865 | turns out the submit was successful anyway :p |
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| SlavekB | yes, exactly :) |
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| SlavekB | __Chris,
very nice. A new contributor to translations has appeared - for Slovak.
Of course he started by suggesting for "Your Names" :) |
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| SlavekB | However,
at the k3b translation he noticed for what purpose these strings serve
and corrected his previous translations in the same way. |
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| __Chris | SlavekB:
Oh, that's wonderful you see. Just noticed it myself. One contributor
more and good he noticed it. Seems he started with - Of course - Abakus.
:-) |
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| __Chris | *to |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| __Chris | And thank you for merging my pending PRs too. (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Abakus is a very popular application :) |
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| __Chris | Yes, it seems so. :-) |
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| SlavekB | __Chris, please, will you have a patch for KSysGuard? |
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| __Chris | @SlavekB, done. (Y) |
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| SlavekB | __Chris, thank you :) |
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| __Chris | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | __Chris, you can see: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/commit/312d773806 |
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| __Chris | SlavekB: Ah, wonderful. It is back. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I dare say that the translation files have been properly updated :) |
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| __Chris | (Y) |
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| __Chris | Very good, SlavekB. |
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| SlavekB | ...update in Weblate is still underway :) |
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| __Chris | That was my former intention, but I puzzled the entries. |
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| __Chris | (Y) |
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| pissbrain | I can't compile tqt3, it cant find rpc.h |
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| pissbrain | anyone? |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe that's related to a new commit related to rpc. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, no, that's tdebase related. |
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| pissbrain | I've been trying to compile R14.0.6 on Arch but i find the build instructions hard to follow. |
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| pissbrain | The trinity repo on Arch is outdated and has a few issues, like the sound server and network manager segfaulting on login. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
yes, that's possible. There was someone knowing about that, or had also
problems. Some weeks ago, but I don't know his name anymore. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe someone using Arch will read that from you and can help you. |
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| selk | Ahhh, yes |
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| selk | I am slowly beginning to add the dependencies to build TDE (from scratch)... |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | :D |
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| _Chris_ | But you want to build it still with musl? |
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| selk | Of course! |
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| selk | We'll see if the construction passes... |
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| selk | against musl, and against libressl... |
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| selk | Do you know how much in size terms represents the installation of TDE? |
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| _Chris_ | That is a good question. I don't know, to be honest. |
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| selk | Ok. |
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| _Chris_ | Differs is you mean full blown TDE, with applications like Amarok or just tdebase. The second should be not a big deal. |
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| selk | Well.. let's say the basic to run TDE (core, essential modules) |
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| _Chris_ | For me it is around 500MB, if I calculate some things out. |
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| selk | 500MB, FULL? |
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| _Chris_ | Just
tdebase more or less. So you have the desktop. You can calculate 600MB
better with some things added. It's hard to tell from this machine at
the moment. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Most of that size is share related, so graphics and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | For example, I use Amarok and not JuK for music, so some things of tdemultimedia aren't installed. |
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| selk | aha |
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| selk | No problem, I'll know if I can build the basics. |
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| selk | For now I have lcms2, now the turn of libmng |
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| selk | Then libical to cover the prerequisites |
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| selk | <_Chris_>
For example, I use Amarok and not JuK for music, so some things of
tdemultimedia aren't installed. <- Ha!.. nothing compares with the
old amarok |
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| selk | Glad that it is maintained by the TDE team. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, there are many KDE3 applications which were imported to TDE and still many still needing some port. |
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| _Chris_ | The
good thing is (also for Kaffeine) that xine-lib is very well maintained
since some years again, so that all helps Amarok and Kaffeine too. |
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| _Chris_ | https://sourceforge.net/p/xine/xine-lib-1.2/ci/15269dca097f4c1dd0b73560d6d18166f3562415/log/?path= |
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| selk | Kafeiine works well against latest xine-lib? |
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| _Chris_ | As you can see, very, very much of optimizations. |
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| _Chris_ | Well..
That is something I need to open some issue for in next time. It was.
But latest master branch of xine-lib introduced problems, because
Amarok, for example seems to use internal xine-lib API, which was never
planed. But all official and latest xine-lib releases should build and
work fine. |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek also is using Kaffeine still today for TV watching and if I come to, me too. |
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| _Chris_ | GStreamer backend is still supported too, but I would not prefer it over xine. That was better to use already back in days. |
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| selk | Wow, that's amazing _Chris_ |
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| selk | I should try to replicate the old environment for TDE using the "latest software" for the components |
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| selk | Like you said, xine instead of gstreamer |
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| _Chris_ | You can build Amarok and Kaffeine with all support in and can switch between the engines. |
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| selk | Nice! |
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| selk | _Chris_: Do you have xmms? |
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| _Chris_ | No, but Audacious. But, there was just some month or so some commit which fixed some compatibility of TDE with XMMS again. :-) |
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| selk | Oh |
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| _Chris_ | But there was a time by which I used and loved XMMS too. |
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| _Chris_ | But, audacious devs want to switch to Qt5, because GTK3 is rubbish for them and I just hope they still preserve the GTK2 GUI. |
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| _Chris_ | Why you ask? |
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| selk | I was checking the optional dependencies for TDE |
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| selk | xmms seems to be used in tdeaddons and for superkaramba |
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| selk | I was wondering about the currrent status of xmms... |
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| selk | It would be nice to have it, again. |
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| _Chris_ | selk: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeaddons/pulls/6 |
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| _Chris_ | In
superkaramba I haven't tested it. I neither have it installed, but as
you can see, it should be still supported and working, at least for
tdeaddons. |
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| selk | Very good |
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| pitriss | Hello
all. Guys please is devuan (damn i can't recall codename for buster
alike) usable with trinity or are here some glitches I should be aware
of? |
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| pitriss | Beowulf |
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| selk | What a great name :-) |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Testing_Builds#Devuan |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds#Devuan |
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| SlavekB | The final stable version will be available after the release of R14.0.7. |
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| pitriss | great thanks :) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: It's wonderful to see scm of the *.org domain is finaly working. Just noticed it yesterday. :-) |
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| SlavekB | www, git and scm are already served by services on new tde-box. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's a very good thing. (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Chris__, FYI: |
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| SlavekB | http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::16392 |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: Good idea. (Y) |
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| Chris__ | But good I know about that plan about R14.0.7. So I need to review and maybe fix also some further things. |
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| SlavekB | It is definitely the right time now :) |
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| Chris__ | So when exactly you think to release R14.0.7? Because next days I have to care about other things mostly still. |
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| SlavekB | Because
it takes time to build Debian / Raspbian / Ubuntu packages, we need to
freeze as soon as possible if we want to release R14.0.7 before the end
of the year. |
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| Chris__ | Ach, I see. So okay, I will try my best to mainstream some more things specific to translations and that like. (Y) |
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| selk | Oh, R14.0.7 is coming soon? |
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| SlavekB | freeze for R14.0.7 is comming soon. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
I have also some more or less big icon adding concept for missing
icons. I don't think that will be ready for that release than. :-( |
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| selk | Uh, that's good. I hope to test TDE against musl/libressl to be able to make reports, I better hurry. |
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| Chris__ | Now all are wake again. :-) |
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| selk | Haha |
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| selk | Yes, today I've committed the rest of the prerequisities that I need to build TDE... |
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| selk | Tomorrow I will try to focus on the build environment for it, recipes... |
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| Chris__ | But yes, to release it before end of the year makes sense, to have some present. :-) |
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| SlavekB | We do not want to postpone R14.0.7 release to 2020. |
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| selk | Sounds good |
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| Chris__ | Yes,
understandable. So I will likely just fix some more of the from the
Q4OS reported redundant icons, which are used, to have that done. |
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| selk | Just in case, I will upgrade libressl and cmake to work with the latest versions... |
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| selk | Latest versions of libressl offers better compatibility with OpenSSL. |
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| SlavekB | Chris__ FYI: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/pulls/18 |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
Wow, that's wonderful. Yes, for Yahoo and MSN there should be the same
infrastructure. So as my research showed last time all old removed
protocols can be used with that servers again. Glad you open that one.
(Y) |
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| selk | From where I must download the sources (tarballs) of the last release R14.0.6? |
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| SlavekB | Chris__, I started one by one - in reverse order than they were removed :) |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
And I don't know if now is the right time, but you maybe remember the
change related to the now not optionally anymore calls to udisks,
udisks2, eudev and so on. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB: Oh, I see. Good you haven't forgotten about that. :-) |
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| Chris__ | The good thing about that servers would be that these protocols are unlikely to break again. Mostly never. |
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| SlavekB | udisks, udisks2, etc only apply to the master branch, so I will not deal with it in connection with the release of R14.0.7. |
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| selk | Found it http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/releases/R14.0.6/downloads.html |
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| selk | Sad that the tarballs are distributed under the .xz format |
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| selk | Xz is worst than the old lzma utils |
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| selk | A better format based on LZMA exist for long-term archiving: |
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| selk | http://lzip.nongnu.org/ |
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| SlavekB | Tarballs
are the same as those used as the basis for Debian / Raspbian / Ubuntu
packages. And for deb packages using lzip is not an option. |
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| Chris__ | SlavekB:
Ach, I see. I had such thinking too, but was unsure if that is only
related to master and not checked that actually. So there is still time
for R14.1.x to fix that. Very good. |
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| selk | For .deb no, but for common sources, Debian can decompress lzip ... |
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| SlavekB | Here is the intention that official tarballs should be the same as those used as "orig.tar.*" for deb packages. |
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| selk | Following the decisions of Debian may be wrong |
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| selk | xz is not a wise decision, it is a fragmented format and complex |
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| selk | http://lzip.nongnu.org/xz_inadequate.html |
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| Chris__ | selk: Maybe you can open some issue or so in TGW so that can be discussed and maybe there will be some compromise or solution? |
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| SlavekB | Sorry,
but we will not provide the custom modified dpkg variant together with
the Trinity packages just to allow the use of lzip as "orig.tar.*" |
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| selk | Well.. right now compressing the tarballs of TDE with xz imposes more memory |
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| selk | because the default option dictionary size for the -9 option of xz is HIGH |
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| selk | and this will impose like 64MB to decompress a tarball |
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| Chris__ | But
I can understand what Slavek means, selk. It would be most likely too
complicated, I can understand that from Gentoo perspective. |
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| selk | I don't understand, if the upstream project publish in the format that they like, Debian should support it |
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| selk | .tar.gz, .tar.bz2, ... |
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| selk | They will provide the .deb in the format that they choose, anyway |
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| SlavekB | Since
we want official tarballs to be binary identical to those we use for
our deb packages as "orig.tar.*", then we can only choose those that are
supported in dpkg on all distributions we create packages. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore we can only choose tar.gz, tar.bz2 or tar.xz. |
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| selk | Ah, yes |
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| selk | Well.. .tar.bz2 is much better than a .xz |
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| selk | Consider that bzip2 provides a recovery tool |
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| selk | A recovery tool does not exist in xz |
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| SlavekB | And tar.xz was a choice for us that brought us very useful space savings. |
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| selk | Lzip compress more than xz... |
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| selk | http://lzip.nongnu.org/lzip_benchmark.html |
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| SlavekB | As I said, lzip is a variant for us that we can't use. |
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| selk | :-( |
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| SlavekB | Even
if dpkg adds lzip support in new distributions, we are currently
building deb packages also for old Debian 7.x (Wheezy) and Ubuntu 12.04
(Precise), where support will be missing => we will still not be able
to use lzip. |
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| selk | I see |
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| selk | Good morning |
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| selk | One question |
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| selk | In the case that TDE is not build against upower, udisks2, ... |
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| selk | The integration won't work?, for e.g when you plug a pendrive or when you want to put the laptop in suspend mode |
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| SlavekB | When
upower/systemd power management functions are not available, TDE can
use tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol for suspend, hibernation, etc. |
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| SlavekB | To mount/umount storage devices is possible to use pmount or udevil. |
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| selk | Awesome |
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| selk | We have dbus and udevil |
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| selk | BTW, the "closure" options what does it means? |
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| selk | Ok, I have cmake 3.16.0 in its place |
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| selk | Now I have to build the required dependencies, it looks like tqt3 in first place. |
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| SlavekB | yes, tqt3, then tqtinterface. |
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| selk | This is the tarball for tqt3, right?: http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/releases/R14.0.6/main/dependencies/tqt3-trinity-14.0.6.tar.xz |
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| selk | yeah |
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| selk | Where I should install the tqt libraries, at /opt/tqt ? |
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| selk | I don't remember which was the default QTDIR directory... |
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| SlavekB | In deb packages tqt3 and tqtinterface (same as other from "dependencies" directory) are installed into /usr |
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| SlavekB | If I remember correctly, in rpm packages are installed into /opt/trinity |
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| selk | I think I could set it to /opt/trinity/lib/tqt3-<version> |
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| selk | and the library directory at /usr/lib |
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| selk | I will check.. |
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| pitriss | Guys I got some idea about using Kopete.. how about support for tox or https://jami.net/ ? |
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| pitriss | Jami is OSS and tox should be the same IIRC.. |
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| pitriss | it could give more sense to that fantastic IM client |
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| SlavekB | I hear about Jami for the first time. But as I see, it was originally Ring, which was originally something else... |
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| SlavekB | Likewise, I hear for the first time about Tox. |
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| _Chris_ | Tox
is very secure. And Jamie looks like - I don't want to be offensive,
but it looks like just some Telegram clone. But that is maybe by
intention. I don't think anyone has anything against getting specific
protocol support. It's just the question who is getting to add that and
invest the time to work on that, I think, or I am wrong here, SlavekB? |
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| selk | I think some qt-based clients for Tox already exists... |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't know if Jamie has some lib for the protocol support - Telegram
has, just some more or less slim C lib, which can be re-used to any
interface. |
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| selk | Tox is very nice |
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| SlavekB | Tox seems to me to be better structured - separated library from gui. |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
Yes, QTox, which is Qt5 sadly. There is UTox, which is just in X, but
is a bit ugly. But I think just copy the Kopete interface just to add
some TDETox or something would be more bad than just adding support for
the protocol in Kopete, as pitriss suggested. :-) |
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| selk | hehe yes |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly, just like Telegram too. Jabber support was also added in Kopete this way, from PSI, as I recall right. |
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| selk | Having Tox in Kopete would be cool... |
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| * selk compiling tqt3 (crossing fingers)... |
| SlavekB | Yes, the tox plugin for Kopete looks like a good idea. |
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| selk | Which was the other popular qt-based client mostly used by gamers? |
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| SlavekB | Selk, you can see that in TQt3 for the upcoming R14.0.7 some patch was useful for musl. |
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| selk | Hmm.. |
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| selk | Ah, yes. mumble is the name of the application |
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| _Chris_ | Mumble is something different. |
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| selk | SlavekB: Really? |
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| _Chris_ | That was some replacement for Teamspeak or something like that, used in Games, before discord. |
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| selk | I will take a look in the repo |
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| selk | _Chris_: Yes |
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| _Chris_ | Sadly, mumble never got real attention and more and more games are replacing it's support. |
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| selk | SlavekB: Error while trying to compile tqt3: |
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| selk | make[2]: *** [Makefile:12447: .obj/release-shared-mt/qsocketdevice_unix.o] Error 1 |
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| selk | I have a log file if you need it. |
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| selk | I will check the git repo if it is related to musl |
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| selk | Seems related to the tests |
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| selk | Those tests are performed during the build time? |
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| selk | Or it needs to be an explicit instruction (e.g make tests)? |
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| selk | No matters, I think I can get the tqt3 snapshot and check if works... |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/commit/1aa221a2bc |
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| selk | Thx |
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| selk | One question, Getting the sources or cloning the sources via git does not imply to rebuild the source tree? |
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| selk | I mean, if I clone "any" current source I can go with ./configure or cmake directly? |
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| SlavekB | You need also submodules. |
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| selk | I see |
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| SlavekB | If you would download a git-generated tarball, it is without submodules :( |
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| selk | I'm compiling with a git-generated tarball for tqt3 to see if works |
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| selk | if works, maybe I can apply the patch for musl to the tqt3-14.0.6 version |
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| SlavekB | Yes, because tqt3 does not yet use submodules. |
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| selk | Error |
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| selk | I will post both log files |
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| selk | tqt3-14.0.6: https://share.riseup.net/#iyNxurVwaNG6hh7lwBQsvA |
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| selk | tqt3-ada7ac5634: https://share.riseup.net/#lvz5c0XFhuzI28HwAVcFBQ |
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| selk | Current build recipe: https://share.riseup.net/#r-ZudLOH5lcjHnB6X4Q-ag |
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| selk | Argh!, the compilation of tqt3 under musl it is not working :( |
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| selk | Oh |
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| selk | I found a patch that could be related, where is SlavekB when you need him? :) |
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| _Chris_ | selk: Slavek seems to be busy or so, keep him some time, he is here all the other time. :-) |
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| selk | _Chris_: Wow |
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| selk | Magic |
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| selk | We have been talking about you, SlavekB |
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| selk | And you appeared out of nowhere :) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| selk | SlavekB: Yes.. I found a patch that could be related to tqt and musl |
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| selk | (In order to compile, properly against it) |
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| selk | This is the patch: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/musl.git/tree/dev-qt/qtcore/files/qtcore-4.8.7-fix-socklent-for-musl.patch?id=940c5e45f412fa93fd809955b88300c312c69ffe |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you see, he is back, selk. :-) |
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| selk | It belongs to qt 4.8.7 |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, Gentoo related. Interesting. |
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| selk | But it can serve to the tqt version |
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| selk | Yes.. I checked the "equivalent" file at mkspecs/linux-g++/qplatformdefs.h in tqt3-trinity |
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| selk | and it has already the definitions for GLIBC |
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| SlavekB | But we already have patch related to socklen_t |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/commit/1aa221a2bc0a5c2f13a8d95af76a755b3c731251 |
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| selk | Changing those lines as it indicates in the patch mentioned, maybe can do the work for compile tqt3 against musl, finally |
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| selk | Wow.. |
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| selk | I am already using that patch and I've tried with the tqt3 from snapshot, and it didn't compile :( |
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| SlavekB | As you can see, we have solved ifdefs in an even more radical way. Therefore, the Gentoo patch is now useless for us in TQt. |
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| selk | Good |
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| _Chris_ | Is your building problem related to that patch, selk? |
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| selk | _Chris_: No, it is just that does not work (with or without the patched version) :( |
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| selk | Maybe I am missing something... |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
Opening your build log resulted in some browser freeze, if possible,
please use some simple paste service in future, okay? :-) |
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| selk | I've tried to paste it on ix.io but the file size is a bit big |
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| selk | Do you know another site? |
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| _Chris_ | https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| selk | Ok |
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| _Chris_ | But I will be AFK for now. Just paste the logs again with that service or another one and maybe someone will look at it. :-) |
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| selk | Yes, thanks _Chris_ |
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| SlavekB | selk, can you try change lines in src/tools/qdir_unix.cpp from: |
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| SlavekB | #if !defined(PATH_MAX) |
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| SlavekB | to: |
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| SlavekB | #if !defined(PATH_MAX) || PATH_MAX+0 < 1 |
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| SlavekB | ? |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_ FYI: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/pulls/19 |
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| _Chris_ | You are a hero, SlavekB. Good work! :-) |
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| SlavekB | I wanted to have it as part of R14.0.7 :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's a good thing. |
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| selk | Good morning |
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| selk | SlavekB: I am going to test your lines for tqt3 in a moment |
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| * selk crossing fingers |
| selk | SlavekB: Where I should apply the change, in which line number? |
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| SlavekB | src/tools/qdir_unix.cpp - lines 77 and 168 |
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| SlavekB | src/tools/qfileinfo_unix.cpp - line 136 |
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| selk | Ok.. |
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| selk | Building |
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| selk | While building tqt3 I am checking this instructions: |
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| selk | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/SlavekB/tde-packaging-arch/src/branch/master/tde-core/tde-tqt3/PKGBUILD |
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| selk | This line seems to have a fix for a header: |
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| selk | Between the lines 172-173, |
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| selk | "# missing include "qglobal.h" in include/qtimer.h fix" |
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| SlavekB | Interesting. I don't know there should be any problem. I didn't know about this fix in Arch build. |
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| selk | Probably I will use that PKGBUILD as a reference |
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| selk | :-/ |
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| selk | Same build error |
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| selk | tools/qdir_unix.cpp: In member function 'virtual bool TQDir::readDirEntries(const TQString&, int, int)': |
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| selk | tools/qdir_unix.cpp:243:33: error: 'MAXNAMLEN' was not declared in this scope; did you mean 'MAXDNAME'? |
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| selk | 243 | char b[sizeof(struct dirent) + MAXNAMLEN + 1]; |
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| selk | |
^~~~~~~~~ |
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| selk | |
MAXDNAME |
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| selk | make[2]: *** [Makefile:17605: .obj/release-shared-mt/qdir_unix.o] Error 1 |
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| selk | (sorry for the flood) |
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| SlavekB | You can try to add #include <sys/param.h> in sr/tools/qdir_unix.cpp |
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| selk | Yeah |
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| selk | I will try |
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| selk | Yayyyy!!!! |
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| selk | It works! |
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| selk | The compilation has been passed. |
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| _Chris_ | That seems to cry for some musl compatibility commit in next time. |
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| selk | Note, I am using the musl patch applied in commit 1aa221a2bc0a5c2f13a8d95af76a755b3c731251 |
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| selk | And I've applied the change for the lines to PATH_MAX, plus the inclusion of the <sys/param.h> header |
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| SlavekB | I think you can revert patch for PATH_MAX. |
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| selk | Now, I will check if works fine without the "PATH_MAX+0 < 1" change |
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| selk | SlavekB: Yes... |
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| selk | Yes, it compiles fine without the "PATH_MAX+0 < 1" change |
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| selk | SlavekB: Would you like to include this header? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, if it solved building with musl-libc, I'll commit it to git. |
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| selk | Awesome, thanks SlavekB! |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/commit/da15dfe6d7 |
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| selk | :D |
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| SlavekB | Of course, it will also be included in R14.0.7. |
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| selk | I will make new reports (if any) when continue with the dependencies (and the rest) for build TDE |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: I just have noticed your change of the AIM server. Have you already tested if that is working? |
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| SlavekB | No, I didn't test it. |
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| SlavekB | ...same for MSN. |
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| SlavekB | I don't have an account there, nor did I intend to create an account. |
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| _Chris_ | Because that would be wonderful. Normaly that should work out of the box, exactly the way you changed it. |
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| _Chris_ | No problem, I will test that then and create some trash-account. |
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| SlavekB | I tried to change the addresses so it could work. |
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| _Chris_ | But that looks very good. (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
from what I got that should be all what is needed. Also the server
support all different older protocol versions. No only the latest ones. |
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| SlavekB | For MSN there remained one address for which I could not find a replacement - some web interface for account information. |
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| SlavekB | At the same time, I was looking for information that we could change the server addresses for Yahoo IM. |
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| _Chris_ | So for Yahoo IM you haven't found any addresses so far? |
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| SlavekB | About remaining MSN address: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/src/branch/feat/kopete-restore-msn/kopete/protocols/msn/msncontact.cpp#L580 |
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| SlavekB | For Yahoo is new address available at |
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| SlavekB | http://iwarg.ddns.net/ymsg/ |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, for MSN seems that is some profile page. Might be possible that is in work already. I will research that. |
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| SlavekB | I
didn't find out if there was an alternative to the profile on the new
server, so I left the address unchanged => can't work. |
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| SlavekB | Vita_cell, please can you help with ES and RU translations needed for TDE/tdebase#96? |
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| selk | SlavekB: I can take a look for the ES translation, if you wish |
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| SlavekB | Selk, great! |
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| selk | Can you point me to the link/reference for #96 to take a look? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/96 |
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| selk | "Would be wonderful if you could add the missing translations for your language, if you have time." |
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| selk | Where are these lines? |
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| SlavekB | You can see files in current diff: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/96/files |
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| selk | and it could be edited via weblate? |
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| SlavekB | You can either push next commit to this pull request or write it here or in a comment on TGW. |
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| SlavekB | For now, desktop files cannot be translated using Weblate. |
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| selk | No problem.. |
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| SlavekB | ...it will be step 2 for integration with Weblate, which I expect sometime next year :) |
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| selk | That would help a lot, putting the desktop files there |
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| selk | In order to keep it up to date |
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| selk | KDE is one of the desktops that had or has the most complete .desktop files out there. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, that is definitely a plan. However, it also requires preparation on the build process side, so it is not ready yet. |
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| selk | I'm waiting for the email to recover my account, I forgot the password :p |
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| selk | Well, it looks like it's gonna be a while. |
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| selk | From top to bottom, the lines to be added for the [es] field are: |
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| SlavekB | I don't see any such email waiting in the queue to send. |
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| selk | And now? |
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| selk | I've changed the email address |
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| selk | Probably the interface is not reporting if an email address exists in the db? |
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| selk | If does not exist |
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| selk | Oh, no. it seems that I've created the account for weblate but not for Gitea... |
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| SlavekB | In Gitea is account vita_cell. |
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| selk | one moment |
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| selk | Ok, I've created the account |
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| selk | I've received the email to create it |
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| selk | It contains the link to create the account twice |
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| SlavekB | Your account added into Contributors team == you can create branches and pull-requests as described on wiki. |
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| selk | Very nice |
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| selk | I should fork and send a PR? |
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| SlavekB | Fork is not needed - check the wiki. |
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| SlavekB | We prefer to create branches rather than making forks, which then just unnecessarily remain fallow on the disk. |
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| selk | I have to add a ssh key |
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| SlavekB | Well, you can use ssh to push instead of https (Y) |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| selk | Done. I've added the keys |
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| selk | Now I will look how to proceed from TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| selk | It looks like I have to: |
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| selk | 1. Clone the repository |
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| selk | 2. Create a branch |
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| selk | 3. Make the changes |
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| selk | 4. Push |
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| SlavekB | You not need to create branch, because you want to add commit to existing branch. |
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| selk | Then proceed to create a PR? |
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| SlavekB | For your case, a simpler procedure is sufficient: |
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| selk | So I should to clone the repo and switch to the branch |
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| SlavekB | 1. Clone the repository |
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| SlavekB | 2. Switch to branch fix/initicons |
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| SlavekB | 3. Make the changes. |
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| SlavekB | 4. Create commit for you changes. |
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| SlavekB | 5. Push using: git push origin HEAD |
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| SlavekB | Since you add a commit to an existing branch, an existing PR, you don't have to create a new PR. |
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| selk | Nice |
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| selk | Ok, I am cloning 'tdebase' (https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase.git) |
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| selk | SlavekB: Done. |
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| selk | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/fa908892154415c5afc3402e66b281da1e0f5ed9 |
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| SlavekB | You forgot to use -s to add a Signed-off-by line. |
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| SlavekB | Now you can use "git commit --amend -s" |
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| selk | Where? |
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| SlavekB | You can see previous commit: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/0a2f1b5003efc5d8b5efe82216b48d39a17a7f73 |
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| SlavekB | ...and compare with your commit: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/fa908892154415c5afc3402e66b281da1e0f5ed9 |
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| selk | I see, it is not signed |
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| SlavekB | In your commit is missing line Signed-off-by => this line is your DCO compliance statement. |
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| SlavekB | You can compare all commits :) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/96/commits |
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| selk | <SlavekB> Now you can use "git commit --amend -s" <- Done. |
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| selk | I should do the git push origin HEAD ? |
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| SlavekB | In "git log" you can verify, that your Signed-off-by is in place. |
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| selk | True, and remotely? |
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| SlavekB | ...and then push using -f to force new head: git push origin HEAD -f |
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| selk | All done. https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/ec3e766ae91ef4b7dd21abdff851019de3fb896f |
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| selk | :-) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| selk | SlavekB: Thanks. |
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| SlavekB | I also thank. |
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| selk | Only [ru] left |
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| SlavekB | Yes. If nobody helps by the end of the week, I will probably remove the missing 'ru' and merge... |
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| selk | Or we can try to add it using a translator, later someone can review or report it |
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| selk | Ah, don't worry, I know someone who speaks native Russian. |
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| selk | I'll see if he's online... |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Are you here? |
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| vita_cell | yeah! |
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| vita_cell | I am busy now, but tomorrow remember me about it |
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| _Chris_ | I have wrote you privatelym, have you seen that? |
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| vita_cell | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Just write me tomorrow then. Excuse me for asking so directly, but the new release code need to be freezed in near time. |
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| Selk | _Chris_: Do you know if k3b works with xorriso/libburnia, finally? |
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| hunter0one | Hi |
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| pitriss | hey hunter0one |
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| pitriss | hunter0one:
BTW if you want to ask something.. do it just when you need.. Most of
people here is willing to help but not watching this channel 24/7:) |
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| hunter0one | Thanks! I had minor problems earlier but I ironed them out myself. Absolutely love this project :) |
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| kackiz | Are there plans to modernize the online capabilities of Konqueror in TDE? |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: what's TDE's equivalent to qtconfig called? qtconfig and tqtconfig are not found. :-( |
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| Selk | a-865: Probably your (provided) tqt does not include qtconfig from the build?... |
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| a-865 | I looked in both Buster and openSUSE |
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| a-865 | 14.0.7 I think |
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| a-865 | Oh, Ok, in Buster it's in tqt3-qtconfig |
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| a-865 | Selk: thx :) |
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| Selk | a-865: U welcome. ;) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Do you have time in next hours to just to translate that 8 entries for us? :-) |
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| vita_cell | yes I have |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ can you give me the links for translate? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/96/files |
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| _Chris_ | You
can just comment on that PR (See discussion tab), or you can also paste
the translations here in IRC, or in IRC privately to me. |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ I will be busy now, but maybe I can do the translate from my android smartphone |
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| vita_cell | But
mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org I don't understand how to modify it, can I
do this from the other web? was it weblate or something like that? |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
I will paste you private the original strings via IRC now, so you can
just reply them to me in the same order with added [ru], as we did
before, is that okay? That would be the most simple way. |
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| vita_cell | what IRC client I can use for android? |
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| _Chris_ | It would be also okay, if you want to do that later this day, if that is better for you? :-) |
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| vita_cell | yeah better later if here is no hurry |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so we do that later, so you don't have to fiddle with the phone. It's just the code needs to be freezed very soon. |
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| vita_cell | anyway,
you can pass me the links for things you want to be translated, could
it be done with Weblate? I remember that it is easier with the other web |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
The problem is, that this things belongs to desktop files. This can't
be translated via Weblate at the moment. Therefore your contribution is
so important, because if you don't translate that, maybe in next time it
will be most likely not translated. |
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| vita_cell | ahhhh ok |
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| mashiro-tan | Hi
guys. I've installed latest PCLinux+TDE distro recently, and now trying
to get "Hibernate" and "Suspend" buttons for generic user (these
features does not working correctly on my pc, but i don't think that
this issue can be related to TDE). I've tried to add a rule in
/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy
(<allow_any>yes</allow_any>) for both options and made a
config "30-org.freedesktop.upower.pkla" in localauthority w |
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| mashiro-tan | oup
(this group i created manually and assigned my user to it), but still
got no luck. What could i miss?Part of the /var/log/messages: https://pastebin.com/Q7LSaESk. |
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| mashiro-tan | I
fixed my issue by replacing policy from at_console="true" to
group="users" in
/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf file, that
also fixed exit from suspend mode. |
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| mashiro-tan | looks
like dbus config file for tde need to be updated a little, at_console
is deprecated. But strange that value is not working but still allowed
to use. |
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| _Chris_ | mashiro-tan: Oh, that is a more or less known issue, I think. Yes, you are right about that. |
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| mashiro-tan | _Chris_:
huh, i didn't found any information regarding this. Some time ago on
OSuSE w/KDE3 i've also faced this problem with absent buttons, but
solution was different. |
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| mashiro-tan | I've installed bigdaddy image released in october, possibly this issue will be also in december's release. |
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| _Chris_ | mashiro-tan:
I had that problem myself not long ago and Slavek found that the reason
was what you wrote here. So that is known and you will see some
solution or at least workaround in some future, I am sure. :-) |
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| SlavekB | I think this is the thing we will have to write in Release Notes at the time of R14.0.7 release :) |
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| _Chris_ | That sounds like some good idea, SlavekB. (Y) |
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| mashiro-tan | SlavekB,
maybe it's will be better to add note to wiki? Idk when .7 will be
released, but this issue may appear in any distro with TDE installation
option, and these distros may not update they repos that fast. |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell:
Are you here? Please, can you sent me your translations privately in
IRC or here, so they can take place at the merge party today? It would
be sad if the RU translations would be not on board. Please understand a
bit too. :-) |
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| denk | Chris__: I'm not a linguist, but as emergency patch you may use it: https://paste.dilos.org/?9b62d20247d19f59#fDs6bOAFYROnoAu3R5fXBjjjVEHdp6SjIBES3NCsKsU= |
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| Chris__ | denk:
Thank you very, very much. I am a linguist neither. vita_cell can
re-check this just only and if he is happy with that, we can take that.
Thanks for your attention. :-) |
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| Chris__ | If
some other users read this here, you can please re-check if that
translations are right, or if you like, you can suggest some translation
for you language too: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/commit/dd48dd37cda74f5be097826c2b01dc10d8f56754/applnk/tde-system-su.directory |
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| denk | all messages must be edited by a tech. writer, and not by developers |
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| Chris__ | Sure, translation of desktop files over Weblate will come at some point too, so that will be as easy as other translations than. |
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| denk | line 11: Name[ru]=Администратор (first letter is capital) |
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| Chris__ | denk: Thank you, that will be fixed. |
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| denk | translation is not porting, it's easy... |
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| Chris__ | Well, if no one looks over some things, it's not relevant if it's easy or not. So, thank you. |
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| denk | you're welcome |
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| mashiro-tan | After
recent updates from PCL repo i've got amarok crashes when tried to play
a song. How can i debug this issue? Console run did not provide any
usable info, only IO error. Btw xine was in these updates, but Kaffeine
works fine. |
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| Chris__ | Oh,
can you please write your xine-lib version? Because it seems latest
xine-lib is breaking Amarok and Kaffeine. But as I know, that only is
related to the master branch of xine-lib so far? |
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| Chris__ | Oh.. It seems there was a new release. https://sourceforge.net/p/xine/xine-lib-1.2/ci/1413c1f5a8a066f4707c73e1467e71ba06621d9b/ |
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| Chris__ | I wasn't expecting that before the next year. |
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| mashiro-tan | 1.2.10, if i get it right. |
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| Chris__ | So you use 1.2.10 now? |
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| mashiro-tan | yes |
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| mashiro-tan | PCL release is pretty rolling, huh |
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| Chris__ | Okay, yes - That doesn't work at the moment. Better is to downgrade, if you can. |
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| mashiro-tan | Uh, i didn't made a backup and there is no options to downgrade. |
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| Chris__ | Can't you just downgrade xine-lib? I am not into that Debian based distributions. |
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| mashiro-tan | It's
RPM based distro with synaptic as package manager. No previous version
is available in the repo, i need to downgrade it manually. But it's not
critical since Kaffeine still works. |
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| Chris__ | The
good thing is, Amarok and Kaffeine will have positive effects because
of the good work of further xine-lib development. So if that works
again, you will notice streaming music will be much better, for example. |
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| Chris__ | It's
possible that Kaffeine works again with it, I reported that problem
already to xine devs some time ago. And I think it was related to this
here: Fix C++ build. |
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| mashiro-tan | About
positive effects, did xinelib support playing >16bit music without
resampling? I've tried to get >16bit sink in pulseaudio with "avoid
resample" option and 24bit files, but didn't achieve any positive
results - just given up and set that option to "false". |
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| Chris__ | That is a good question, to which I can't give you some answer. I am absolutely not into PA things. |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/111/files |
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| vita_cell | Nice! |
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| Chris__ | :-) |
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| vita_cell | Chris__ what is new in the new version release? |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3010 -> For example. It's primary some bugfix release. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 3010: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , R14.0.7 official bug list (meta bug) |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/10 |
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| vita_cell | the list is huge |
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| Chris__ | (Y) |
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| Chris__ | Nearly 300 commits, or more. Without all that contributions over Weblate. |
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| vita_cell | Chris__ one thing, this maybe already fixed, but "deloptes" is right and I agree with him, |
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| vita_cell | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/38 |
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| vita_cell | him comment is number 4, I think |
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| vita_cell | I
think that everyone should translate from main English word/words, so
"My Documents" should be "My Documents" and not something like "Storage
Devices", consistency is a good thing, if not, it will be confusing lol |
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| vita_cell | hope it is already fixed |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell:
Yes and no. Later we, or better Slavek found out I was completely
right. We found much later out, this file was half of wrong, because
there were bad entries added, which were extracted from another file. |
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| Chris__ | But, that was my argument, not his. |
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| vita_cell | so it was a something like a mix of some files |
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| Chris__ | Yes, and it was fixed. |
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| vita_cell | nice |
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| Chris__ | It is now only "My Computer" or just "Computer". |
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| Chris__ | There is some freedom for translations, like you interpret some book, if you make some movie from it. |
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| Chris__ | That is needed, because some translations of TDE completely remove that "My" in all places. |
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| Chris__ | The most important thing about that is just that it is consistent - Like you said. In German it is consistent without the "My". |
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| Chris__ | Also it's not handy if you can't read the "Computer", because the name is too long and clipped at the end with "...". |
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| vita_cell | without
"My" it is also right, but I think it should be so for every
thanslation. Writing "My Computer" or "My PC" is the WindowsXP model
translation. And for consistency it should be with "My" or without it
for every translation |
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| Chris__ | Yes, but you need someone keeping care of that translation of the full TDE project for every language. |
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| Chris__ | And
sometimes it's better to just stick to what is already done in the
past, also if it is wrong. So for RU, for example, that is some problem.
Also, fun fact: In German Windows XP, if I recall right - It was also
just "Computer" - So Microsoft did exactly what KDE3/TDE did here. |
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| Chris__ | But, everything is open. To anytime someone can complain and we can re-check that. |
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| vita_cell | I
have a some stupid question: how hard is to port Wayland to a desktop
environment like TDE? X11/xorg looks extremelly obsolete and old
compared with graphics capabilities to other operating systems (or
Wayland) |
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| Chris__ | The
other way. You need to make TQt make compatible with Wayland. There was
some idea (using GTK3 for rendering), but that would make TQt depend on
GTK and I just know, a lot of users, like myself, would be unhappy
about such ideas. Also GTK4 is on the way. I think in near time support
under Wayland for running X applications will be just as fine, that we
will don't have to fiddle as much with that. But just my personal
opinion. Most |
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| Chris__ | users are happy about their working setup and old X. |
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| Chris__ | Their
was some porting work some years ago, for porting TDE to newer Qt, but
that was never finished and maybe that was good, otherwise we would
stick now with some obsolete Qt4 and porting to Qt5 would be maybe
impossible, because the way Qt changed away from classical GUI. At least
for TDE purposes. |
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| Chris__ | If
you start to be dependent on something, it can start at every level the
project you depend on is changing in a completely wrong and bad
direction, but you have no choice at that point anymore. I have personal
experience with such things and I am very happy TDE can envolve without
any pressure from the outside. Because it's more about evolution than
revolution, what KDE4 was for, you see? :-) |
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| vita_cell | yeah,
I hate gtk3, and including this bad software into TDE will make it
worse. I think. And I also think that GTK4 will be no improvement. |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell:
By the way, with R14.1.x you will most likely have some Windows XP like
device monitor for mounting and ejecting devices and getting messages
about inserted or removed hardware. So maybe you will like that. |
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| vita_cell | Yeah, I love WindowsXP way |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: Just think about all the breakage which GTK3 introduced. Alone the theme creators were hating it. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, and I fucking hate breackages, it definitely makes developers run far far away from GNU/Linux, and back to Windoze again |
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| Chris__ | TDE
would have problems every month, because GTK3 people had changed
something again. GTK4 will be likewise, I think. At least TQt3 works and
works as it ever was. |
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| vita_cell | this
is what I talking about. Everyday breackage, and no serious developer
will make apps for GNU/Linux because people like GNOME break their apps
every version, lol |
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| Chris__ | Yes, I know, we had a talk about that already, I recall on that. :-) |
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| Chris__ | But,
at the same time it would be a bit unfair to cry for newest features.
Projects should stay to their identity and roots and not just change for
the sake of the change. People here are don't liking that, otherwise
they were using KDE. |
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| Chris__ | What not means anyone can come up with ideas to support Wayland. :-) |
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| Chris__ | *no one |
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| mashiro-tan | I've read that TDE in process of migrate to Qt4, how actual this information? |
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| Chris__ | vita_cell: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/commit/f076b15382c0bfdc5b171cfeee9665b48dab0c35/kdesktop/init/My_Computer -> The new, cleaned up file. Like you see, the broken translations were removed. |
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| Chris__ | mashiro-tan: That's obsolete. Alone because of the fact distributions have removed Qt4. |
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| Chris__ | There are no of that plans or something like that at the moment. |
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| mashiro-tan | So TQt3 is rock solid now, that's very good i think. |
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| Chris__ | Also
that was tested back in days by Tim, and from what I have read myself,
that resulted in slower speed and use of much more ressources. So no. |
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| Chris__ | Yes,
I have the same view. It isn't perfect, but look GTK2. It's still
working fine for most things. I am using PaleMoon with GTK2 and
explicitely don't use the GTK3 port. |
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| vita_cell | Qt4 and Qt5 are too bloated and huge, and I think those don't give some better things over Qt3 |
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| Chris__ | Well, there is the integrated webkit engine. But all that isn't for free. All has it's pros and cons. |
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| vita_cell | What
I fucking love about gtk2, is that here is no breakages, I can download
a one (or much more) of the thousand gtk2 themes and it will be
compatible |
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| vita_cell | and
gtk3? hahaha what a waste of time. They break 3rd party
themes/stuff/apps continuosly, and I think it is a huge pain in the ass
for eveery developer |
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| Chris__ | That's
the deal. All these new GUI versions and changes bring most of the time
no real gain. But breakage. Back in the days the life of software was
much longer and people were motivated to invest time and work into
themes or writing plugins and such things. In todays time you just know
next version will make your work useless within some months or a year. |
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| vita_cell | Yeah I think the same |
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| Chris__ | As far as I know GTK had removed the support for theming engines completely now. But that might be wrong. |
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| vita_cell | this
is why I hate to develop something for GNU/Linux, it looks to me like a
waste of time, if some people break my app every day |
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| Chris__ | But I will be AFK some time for now. |
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| vita_cell | and no, I don't like, and won't develop no GUI apps |
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| Chris__ | Yes, but if you develop something for TDE, it will last maybe forever. :-) |
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| vita_cell | "
In todays time you just know next version will make your work useless
within some months or a year." maybe it is the main reason why I don't
develop for this operating system |
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| vita_cell | people like GNOME, they program first, and after 10 years of develop they begin to think and design |
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| vita_cell | "Yes,
but if you develop something for TDE, it will last maybe forever. :-)"
This is a must for every desktop environment, and also should be a must
for every stable (non beta-alpha) graphics toolkit |
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| davidb | Are there any members of the TDE dev team here at the moment? |
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| davidb | Any TDE devs here at the moment? |
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| aggi | greetings.
i have successfully tested the gentoo-overlay of the trinity desktop on
latest ~amd64. with some patches applied it is awesome and functional. |
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| aggi | but it seems the overlay is not synced to latest version: https://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity.git |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
Hello. Interesting. I asume you are using the one from Fat-Zer? I am
going to import it into TDE repos and take care of it. I would highly
like to see you contributing too, if you like? |
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| aggi | hello _Chris_, yes ;) |
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| SlavekB | Great.
The official Gentoo overlay will manage _Chris_. If you want to help,
you can create a TGW account and then submit pull-requests :) |
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| aggi | and, as said i am happy with it allthough it is not latest version |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
I know the current state, without patches, it has some problems. Do you
want to publish the patches you mentioned? Some time before it wasn't
working because of the SCM server was down of TDE, for the admin and
cmake submoduls, but that is working now again with the new TDE-Box. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi: Which version you are using currently exactly? |
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| aggi | sure,
what might be a little problematic though is that some of them are
musl-libc related (had to check) and i wanted to get rid off d-bus
entirely |
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| aggi | which is why i am happy trinity exists |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
I want to have some central and official place here in TDE which every
Gentoo user willing to help to contribute and discuss openly. You just
need some TGW account -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea :-) |
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| aggi | 3.5.13.2 |
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| aggi | and, that is why i am a little confuse |
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| _Chris_ | aggi: Interesting. We have here some efforts to make musl working with TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi: That is very old. You should better use the live version. 9999 ebuilds. They are more or less stable. |
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| aggi | there
wasn't alot to do except for some minor changes, and without d-bus kdm
isn't functional so i removed that next to some other broken builds i do
not need |
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| _Chris_ | I
only plan to take care of that 9999 ebuilds, but, if you are willing,
you can also take care of stable ebuilds. I removed already that old
version. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
I can upload some cleaned up version these days and if you are in IRC
still, we can talk about. Or better, just create some TGW account, as
pointed out and you can discuss here all. -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo |
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| aggi | i think i'll create a git repository for that and upload the patches and modified overlay of mine |
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| _Chris_ | This is the latest *unchanged* version at the moment. Some changes will come these days. |
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| aggi | as said alltogether trinity is functional which is simply awesome |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
Yes, so I can integrate your changes, if I not made them myself
already. But the 3.5.x line is not supported anymore. TDE is just about
to release R14.0.7 now. :-) |
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| aggi | i'll notify you once i downloaded the patches (currently i build i livedvd release of mine with trinity included) |
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| aggi | _Chris_: i am happy with the old version as long as it is functional |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
That is wonderful to hear about, you are happy. At the moment that
overlay only supports tdebase. But we will add new ebuilds more and
more. |
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| aggi | alltogether
it is not clear to me if and how the overlay and other versions are
synced and i would support you with it too if i can |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
Wow, some live version with TDE of Gentoo sounds very good. It would be
very wonderful to make TDE great again under Gentoo. Back in days KDE3
had so many fans at Gentoo and people were so unhappy it was removed
from portage. |
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| aggi | gentoo hardened, with a custom patched kernel among other neat details |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
As I pointed out, I am open for all, as long as we join forces and
don't fragment the working efforts once again. So one central TDE
maintained portage overlay is the goal. :-) |
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| aggi | my
focus is to keep hardened alive and the patches i maintain for that are
a considerable amount of work already, next to the fact that keeping
gentoo the releases going isn't as easy either |
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| aggi | i'll get back to you this year |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
No problem. You know now the URL of the TDE gentoo overlay, so you can
just register at any time there and contribute or open issues, or what
ever. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
About musl specific patches -> I think the best would be to
integrate them in TDE itself. So you don't need them in the overlay. The
question will be now, if that patches are not needed anymore with
latest R14 release, because this year some patches about that were
already integrated. But yes, not in the 3.5.13 line. |
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| aggi | there was some other minor changes related to libressl and compilation issues with a modern gcc |
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| SlavekB | Patch related to musl ini TQt3 is also integrated into Qt3 in v3.5.13-sru branch :) |
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| SlavekB | ...the same as LibreSSL related patches in tdelibs are also integrated into v3.5.13-sru branch. |
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| _Chris_ | Good to know that. |
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| aggi | as said i'll upload to github or directly TDE git repo somewhere, write a small readme; and again thanks. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| mashiro-tan | KWeather
applet shows weather data from 01.01.2018. I don't see any bugreport
regarding this, is this bug a real deal, or it's just my configuration
issue? |
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| mashiro-tan | Possibly
it's an weather provider (or internal mapping) issue - with HK as
location kweather shows actual data, but with Rostov(oD, RU) - data from
2018. |
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| mashiro-tan | Hi
guys, did you have forum or something like it? I've
collected some buglist and want to share it somewhere, but this list is
for 14.0.6 release and i'm not sure that all bugs will be actual. |
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| SlavekB | For questions and consultations you can use mailing lists. |
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| mashiro-tan | thanks |
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| mashiro-tan | http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::16489 >Cannot decode string with wide characters at /usr/lib/powerpc64le-linux-gnu/perl/5.24/Encode.pm line 202. |
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| _Chris_ | mashiro-tan: You can also create some TGW account -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/ and create issues for the entries on the list you have. That would be the right way. :-) |
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| mashiro-tan | Hi guys, where i can find the desktop icon text color configuration? |
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| _Chris_ | I wish everyone here a nice Christmas day/evening. :-) |
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| SlavekB | nice Christmas evening also to you |
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| aggi | as promised here is the patches and fixed gentoo overlay: https://github.com/agg1/trinity |
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| aggi | the patches folder contains applied patches which require refinement for upstream integration |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
Thank you very much for that. I will take a look at that tomorrow, if
that is okay? Today I was very busy with private things. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
That looks good at first, from a very quick look. Tomorrow I will look
deeper in that. If you are interested in that v3.5.x line of TDE, I
don't see a reason why that support should not be preserved. At least if
that is possible. At first my plan was to remove that old support and
there is also work ongoing from someone different to get R14.0.x stable
releases working on Gentoo (it seems), in addition, but we could
integrate |
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| _Chris_ | that
all in one repo. But maybe some of your patches are not needed, because
they were integrated into the v3.5.13-sru branch of TDE already. But we
will see and find a solution. Also the old git eclass needs porting to
the newer version, because it seems with the latest portage update it
will break. I am not quite sure. I will look at that tomorrow a bit. At
least for hardened Gentoo this is working fine, you said. |
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| aggi | _Chris_: i do not know which priority the gentoo overlay has and what the overlay status of trinity is |
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| aggi | *overall |
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| _Chris_ | But
you are interested in the specific v3.5.x line, or would the R14.0.x
line (the curren stable one) which works with musl too also some option
for you? |
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| aggi | so i have no preference for either 13.5.x branch or any other but simply picked what was available for testing |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, got to know that. |
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| aggi | and
i would be willing to switch to any later branch and fully integrate
required patches, but since the current status is not known i only fixed
what i could quick and dirty |
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| _Chris_ | But
yes, some fixes you made were needed. The xorg-proto deps change for
example. It would be very nice if we all could work togehter to get some
semi-official maintained TDE overlay for Gentoo here in TGW (TDE's own
github). Which not only supports tdebase. Also all other extra
applications like amarok, kaffeine and many other applications too. That
is the plan. And if someone just don't work any further, this work
could be |
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| _Chris_ | continued by any other person here, to any time. So there is one global work ongoing. |
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| aggi | and
to let you know what i wanted: 1) dbus entirely removed 2) no issues
with libressl 3) musl libc, and among all available options trinity
desktop is by far the best one |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
Exactly, I fully understand that. You work and efforts are very welcome
anyway. But it's very interesting to see with your current patches
v3.5.x is still working on Gentoo. Before that, there was only the
master branch. |
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| _Chris_ | For
the master branch I emoved HAL completely from the overlay. Because
that is only really needed for *BSD now still. R14 version of TDE
doesn't really need HAL anymore. |
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| mashiro-tan | Hi
guys. I'm interested, how trinity developers are debugging new
modifications? Some virtualized OS and make && make install
every time after update? Or package rebuild and reinstall for the host
system? Maybe someone knows? |
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| SlavekB | mashiro-tan, my case is that I like order in the system and that's why I'm building a package containg new patches to test. |
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| mashiro-tan | SlavekB:
Thanks!. Did you build a full pair of source+binary packages or just
making binary one by checkinstall? How about debugging in IDE with
breakpoints? |
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| SlavekB | If I do build a package manually, then always using dpkg-buildpackage == patches are added using quilt to the source package. |
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| mashiro-tan | No, i mean building package for local debugging. |
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| mashiro-tan | Also,
are you guys writing dependencies in spec-files manually? I wonder if
there any possibility to collect build-deps list automatically, without
any handwork. |
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| mashiro-tan | Is this channel have web-history? |
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| _Chris_ | It had. But that seems to not working at the moment. -> http://trinitydesktop.org/support.php |
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| mashiro-tan | Well... Was my last questions been answered? |
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| mashiro-tan | Btw, why not jabber? previous 20 messages is better than nothing. |
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| _Chris_ | mashiro-tan:
No, before your re-joining there was no reply here. IRC is more simple
for most users and you can simply jump in here, without creating some
account. |
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| _Chris_ | Just wait a bit, people are not always on their machines, also if they are online here. I will be AFK now too again. |
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| pitriss | mashiro-tan:
why not jabber? eg because me (as also jabber server owner) use bitlbee
to connect to jabber muc via IRC client. Unfortunatelly over last 12
years there was no jabber client with good made MUC support.. every
single one is treated more like standard message.. And when there is
some exception, then there is only limited subset of functions that are
common in IRC clients. |
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| pitriss | So in my case its more like god bless IRC |
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| pitriss | And yes, I'm coowner of jabber server since 2007 |
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| mashiro-tan | _Chris_: thanks. |
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| mashiro-tan | About
simplicity, as you're mentioned, this chat isn't capable to answer fast
and i don't think that a lot of people is joining everyday. This chat
mostly for advanced users, who can wait some time for response. But lack
of history - huge con of IRC, and for important discussions people
needs to be online all the time. |
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| mashiro-tan | AFAIK freenode has its own archiver, why not use it if local logger isn't easy to get to work? |
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| mashiro-tan | pitriss:
possibly i don't know everything, but i've used Psi+ over 10 years and
this client worked like a charm for me in conferences and single-user
chats. It supported mostly all server configuration features. Try it if
you aren't yet. |
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| _Chris_ | mashiro-tan:
There is no reason the weblog will be useable again in some time. Also
often new users just start konversation and just jump in to just ask
question. So there aren't just advanced users. It's also just that KDE
always had IRC and so TDE is also having one. It just works. There isn't
really any "that's better"-thinking here. It's just how it works and
how it always worked. The point with the log is a valid one and on that |
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| _Chris_ | can be worked on. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *not be useable |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/releases |
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| _Chris_ | Very good, Slavek. Good work. :-) |
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| mashiro-tan | Wow, fresh release is out faster than i'd expected. Nice work! |
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| _Chris_ | The translator credits part looks good too. (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Quite a list, if you realize TWTW isn't existing as long. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it's a very nice sight :) |
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| mashiro-tan | I
have a question about TDE inner communications. Yesterday i got an
issue possibly related to ntfs-3g driver. Konqueror didn't display any
drives in the Storage Media, tab was in "Updating" state continuosly.
After reboot "Storage media" applet drawed drives list with huge delay
and after some time kicker completely freezes. Also when i searched for
the files on the ntfs drive, it started without problems, but konqueror
completely hangs after |
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| mashiro-tan | ng the random file in result list. It's all get to normal state after booting into Windows (no chkdsk was called though). |
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| mashiro-tan | Is
TDE critical components like kicker, desktop, konqueror, twin have
protection against possible issues in applets/windows/etc? Possibly it's
not an environment issue by itself, but flaws in the backend? One guy
told me that he experiences full trinity death sometimes and relate this
to the dcop-servers. |
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| mashiro-tan | I
would like to fix annoying shit like this, it's critical for me (if
that wasn't fixed yet in the .7 release, and it's also one of the
reasons why i'm asking about debugging) |
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| SlavekB | Short but again a very fast reaction :) |
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| SlavekB | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Trinity-Desktop-R14.0.7 |
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| _Chris_ | Wow, let me see. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. The question is just why they use old KDE3 teaser pictures. But okay, if they like to do that. :-) |
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| selk | Congratulations for the new release! |
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| selk | With a nephew we installed Q4OS on a machine |
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| selk | Maybe you guys know something about this |
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| selk | We have issues with the sound |
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| selk | It happens that the system detected the sound card, we also checked the mixer controls |
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| selk | The sound didn't seem to work. The sound didn't seem to work, until I killed artsd |
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| selk | Then I reopened it and checked its settings, what I remember is that we had restarted and the sound worked. |
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| selk | But later when we turn the PC off and (much later) on, the sound doesn't work anymore. |
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| selk | I suspect there's a conflict between ALSA, PulseAudio and artsd, but I'm not sure |
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| selk | If anyone knows anything... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
I mean that bug was fixed already, but I think Q4OS branched of from a
specific date and not from the release. I am not sure. |
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| selk | Really? this is Q4OS with Trinity 14.0.6 |
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| selk | So it is a bug in arts? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes. I mean that is fixed in 14.0.7. I mean it had to do with arts + PA, or something like that. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| selk | There is something that I could do locally (as a workaround)? |
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| selk | Or until to upgrade to 14.0.7 |
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| _Chris_ | No, seems that was something different. |
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| _Chris_ | https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3031 |
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| tbottu | 04Bug
3031: normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, ASSIGNED , TDE Alsa audio
subsystem doesn’t work at all, unless Pulseaudio installed |
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| _Chris_ | Or it is related too, I am not into that. Just try a bit. |
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| selk | Hmm I didn't checked/confirmed if Q4OS comes with PulseAudio by default... |
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| _Chris_ | Have you used minimal install? |
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| selk | I am assuming that it has it by default, but I can check |
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| selk | No, it is a full installation |
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| _Chris_ | "The
sound didn't seem to work. The sound didn't seem to work,
until I killed artsd" could be related to hanging arts. |
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| _Chris_ | So you could try the workaround in the report, but make a backup. |
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| selk | Later, I've tried the same, to kill arts but it didn't worked, honestly. |
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| selk | So I am not really sure why previously it worked :-s |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried to output sound of a third party application (non TDE application)? |
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| _Chris_ | Because, if that isn't working neither, than the problem might be related to deeper things and not TDE related. |
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| selk | Yes, we reproduced videos from youtube and we played Doom 3 natively |
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| _Chris_ | So VLC, which should be installed with Q4OS too, should also not work. |
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| selk | After all this, we turned off the PC and later the sound didn't work. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, so arts related. |
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| _Chris_ | Now it isn't working in doom too? |
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| selk | It was working after killing and checking the settings of arts |
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| selk | I've only carried out the command to kill once |
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| _Chris_ | So,
you restartet your PC, the sound was not working in any applications
(Doom, VLC etc.) and after killing arts, it was working again for all
applications again? |
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| _Chris_ | Just to follow you right. |
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| selk | No |
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| selk | 1. We installed Q4OS in the PC of my nephew |
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| selk | 2. The sound card was detected but no sound at all |
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| _Chris_ | * |
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| _Chris_ | No sound in ALL applications? |
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| selk | 3. I killed artds and checked its settings, plus the mixer controls |
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| selk | 4. The sound worked "magically" |
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| selk | 5. We listen sounds from TDE, we reproduced videos and we played Doom 3 with sound. |
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| selk | 6. After turning off the machine, and later we turned ON it didn't worked at all |
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| selk | <_Chris_> No sound in ALL applications? <- Exactly. |
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| selk | I installed Q4OS in another machine, and it worked from the start. |
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| _Chris_ | So either it was mixer related, or arts has blocked the output in some way. |
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| selk | Yes |
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| selk | s/artds/artsd |
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| _Chris_ | But
normaly arts just outputs to either PA, which outputs to ALSA (which
has dmix, also if there isn't any hwmixing) or to ALSA directly. So that
should be any problem anymore today. |
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| _Chris_ | *should not |
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| _Chris_ | So I would vote for the mixing controls. |
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| _Chris_ | That would also explain why (as you pointed out) the other machine isn't having such problems. |
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| selk | I'll tell him how I have the controls, so he can try to do the same from home. |
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| selk | To see if works with that. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | Thanks _Chris_ |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
Hey. I agree, it looks like mixer settings. Depend on Selk's HW i would
recommend to try it without PA, so there is less space for errors. If
ALSA works, save alsamixer default settings and possibly try with PA |
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| pitriss | (un)fortunatelly
I can't help with PA as I never needed that. I am lucker and my HW
doesn't need sw mixing so ALSA is not problem |
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| pitriss | BTW guys is there some best place to set TDE environment variable like QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME |
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| pitriss | I don't think its 100% correct to do export from bashrc |
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| selk | Hi everybody |
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| selk | Chris__: It didn't worked, adjusting the mixer controls... |
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| selk | It is possible to have sound in TDE disabling arts? |
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| selk | BTW, my nephew has the video card connected to the TV, he is using his TV as monitor |
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| selk | It is like pulseaudio is trying to give priority to HDMI |
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| selk | I'm not 100% sure, but it seems that's why the audio plays but you don't hear anything. |
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| vita_cell | merry christmas!!! to everyone! |
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| vita_cell | selk I already had this same problem, if it is correct, Slavek helped me with it |
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| _Chris_ | Happy new year to all here. :-) |
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| deadrom | hi |
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| deadrom | ubuntu 18.04 says 404 Not Found [IP: 37.205.10.16 80] and E: The repository 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.6/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file. |
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| deadrom | and websties says current is 14.0.7. confused. help? |
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| SlavekB | The repository url never contained "14.0.6". |
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| SlavekB | Earlier url was http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu |
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| deadrom | SlavekB: I changed that after getting the same reply for 14.0.7 as instructed on the site |
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| SlavekB | ... it is still functional, but after change the layout of primary archive, you can use a new url: |
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| deadrom | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x <your-distribution> main |
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| deadrom | ^does this mean *literally* ".x"? |
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| SlavekB | 'x' is simle 'x' == you do not need to change it. |
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| deadrom | ok, new url please |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x |
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| SlavekB | ...the same for builddeps: |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x |
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| SlavekB | The URL is persistent for all releases in the R14.0.x series. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, it contains 'x' as really the letter 'x'. |
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| deadrom | https://pastebin.com/ThhPkGqg |
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| deadrom | :( |
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| deadrom | odd enough I get a ping reply from that IP so I don't know why apt says no |
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| SlavekB | You added at the end "/ubuntu", it now doesn't have to be there. |
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| SlavekB | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x bionic main |
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| SlavekB | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x bionic main |
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| deadrom | SlavekB: d'oh/yay, works, thanks |
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| deadrom | delighted to see TDE is still maintained. are you project staff? |
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| aggi | again
Rorschach this depends on the circuumstances, as a testimony may not
incriminate oneself, but it is up to the prosecuters to present evidence |
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| aggi | wrong channel, sorry |
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| vita_cell | guys,
Konqueror file explorer it is a pain in the ass. All icons are ultra
small, and every time I click on folder, it opens new Konqueror |
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| vita_cell | updated to 14.0.7 |
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| _Chris_ | That wasn't a change of the update. Konqueror is working as he always has. |
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| _Chris_ | So
something on your setup is broken, it seems. At least there was not
such a change. Normaly you can change these settings anyway. Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | But your translations you made in RU are now in the release. You will most likely already found them. |
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| vita_cell | yeah, something broke, and dont know what |
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| vita_cell | what I really miss, are custom actions in xfce4. |
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| _Chris_ | What are custom actions? |
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| vita_cell | in
xfce, like when you right click on a executable, tar, zip, or any type
file, and you have custom action like "compress", "compress into...",
"run as root', "open folder as root", "open with..." |
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| vita_cell | you create them by hand and run a custom command |
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| vita_cell | also you can add an icon |
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| _Chris_ | That exists in TDE and is called "services", or "actions". You have service menus for that. |
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| vita_cell | when are those? |
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| vita_cell | inside control panel? |
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| _Chris_ | You
can create them by just creating some files. And you need to install
the konq-plugins. There is one for Ark (archiver) and you will have such
service menu with compress, extract and so on. You also will have
service menus for changing the orientation and the filetype of images. |
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| _Chris_ | If
you click on the file the right mouse button, you will have some menu
with submenus called "services" or "actions". That differs by
translation. |
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| _Chris_ | But
they only show up for the specific files. So for archives the
ark-plugin will show the actions for extracting and so on. You can also
sent just directly some file from Konqueror with KMail. Or edit it by
root, because there is some "Edit as administrator" service menu. |
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| vita_cell | ok, will try |
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| vita_cell | here is still that shitty line on the upper side of desktop panel |
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| _Chris_ | Creating
service menus you have to know which files and where. There was some
tutorial but I haven't it by hand right now. Should go to the TDE wiki. https://www.opendesktop.org/
also shows what you could do with service menus. There are many which
still need porting to TDE. Some for encrypting files, for example. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that line. It's a valid point to talk about. There should be at least some option to hide it. |
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| vita_cell | so, it looks harder to create custom actions in TDE |
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| vita_cell | that shitty panel line removes when you enable panel transparency, but it breaks my custom image |
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| _Chris_ | Not
really. It's just to create some textfile, simply said. And yes, that
could be done by some GUI, maybe it is already possible, I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
it removes then? So there has to be code in that part to remove it,
which could be used to hide it also with some GUI option. |
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| _Chris_ | Best would be to offer some option to also give that line some color, with some option to hide it, if liked. |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.pling.com/p/998217/ |
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| _Chris_ | That shows the service menus. Also it's just some example of them. |
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| _Chris_ | Just
a little correction: The ark plugin will create some "extract" menu in
the context menu of the file. Not create it under actions. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdeaddons/src/branch/master/konq-plugins/arkplugin |
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| vita_cell | yeah
_Chris_, when I enable transparency in panel settings, it removes that
crappy bar line on the panel. But breaks my image, so I really don't
want transparency |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, good to know that. |
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| vita_cell | and I see it like a bug, is this line supposed to be there? I see no logic reason of this line |
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| _Chris_ | I
think it's just to make the panel more 3D. Windows have some lines
around too. Some border. It's maybe just it wasn't much of a problem
until now. No one really noticed it. That is happening often. There are
more of that things still from KDE3 times, but with time these things
will be found and improved. |
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| _Chris_ | For
example, some menu categories never had some proper icon, but they were
already inside TDE/KDE3. That was never fixed since KDE3 times. But
with latest release, it was fixed. |
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| pitriss | vita_cell: Krusader supports user actions too and there is build in gui to set up them.. |
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| pitriss | built-in* |
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| a-865 | Are repos for openSUSE known to be broken? |
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| a-865 | hmm, merely renamed from opensuse15.1 to oss151? |
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| a-865 | zypper cannot determine repo type |
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| a-865 | NVM, just needed to change URL in repo files |
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| SlavekB | François has updated all repositories to R14.0.7. And it seems that he has now used the short name oss151 for OpenSUSE 15.1. |
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| a-865 | that's what I just figured out :) |
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| a-865 | Fedora 30 disappeared |
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| a-865 | maybe he just didn't do it yet |
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| a-865 | rpm -UVh http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/rpm/f31/trinity-r14/RPMS/noarch/trinity-repo-14.0.7-1.fc31.noarch.rpm failed to enable Fedora 31 to reach metadata, error 404 |
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| a-865 | every email I try to send to François bounces :( |
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| selk | ehm.. if the -platform option for build tqt3 is not passed, the platform is selected automatically? |
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| selk | Ok.. seems to be working/compiling without it |
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| selk | (I'm returning to the job of adding TDE in Dragora) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | :-) |
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| selk | is NAS useful for Qt? |
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| selk | I don't have libaudio yet |
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| selk | It looks like latest release of nas is from 2013 |
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| _Chris_ | NAS is really old. I don't know. If you have use for it. But some people maybe still have and want it. |
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| selk | I will put it on the TODO file (just in case, as pending to be added for the recipe) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | BTW, there are sources provided by TDE which is using configure and the config.sub, config.guess files? |
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| selk | In that case, those files (config.sub, config.guess should be updated) to support other build targets (for e.g musl) |
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| selk | I mean, if those files comes from the FSF... |
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| selk | http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.sub |
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| selk | http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.guess |
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| _Chris_ | Good point, but TDE should be ported now to CMake anyway. At least the base things. Are you building with autotools? |
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| selk | No. I'll build against cmake, but I understand that some sources are still based on autotools, if I'm right |
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| selk | Well.. they only will be relevant in a next release, if those sources can be migrated to cmake, good |
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| selk | If not, better to have it updated (if a release comes) |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, good question, if it is of use to update these. Can you give some link and are these many? |
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| selk | See above ^ |
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| selk | You only need to replace the old files with the new files from the links above |
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| selk | The link(s) above are the official config{sub,guess} files provided by GNU/FSF |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but I suspect they are spread around the whole TDE source, or I am wrong? |
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| selk | I haven't checked the whole source of TDE |
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| _Chris_ | I
just noticed alone tdepowersave has one config.sub. So that might be a
lot and it was already converted to use CMake anyway. Greg is working on
to remove old autotools files anyway for repos where the conversion is
done. :-) |
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| selk | What I see is that the tqt3 source has the config.{sub,guess} files included for libmng |
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| selk | the bunbled libmng |
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| selk | *bundled |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, seems that is inside the admin module anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| selk | src/3rdparty/libmng/config.guess |
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| selk | src/3rdparty/libmng/config.sub |
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| selk | Not relevant if you are passing -system-libmng ... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I just thought about if that is the use case anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Isn't the bundled version really old? |
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| selk | Latest release of libmng is from 2015-04-20 (version 2.0.3) |
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| selk | https://sourceforge.net/projects/libmng/files/libmng-devel/ |
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| selk | and the bunbled version is 1.0.4 accorded to the Changes file |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. You see. :-) |
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| selk | src/3rdparty/libmng/Changes |
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| _Chris_ | I thin that bundled version isn't of real need anymore. I could be wrong. |
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| _Chris_ | If you can build against system lib, there shouldn't be any special changes to argument that bundled version. |
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| selk | True |
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| _Chris_ | But,
I think there are more bundled libs. Maybe building against them should
be removed, so maybe that is something to create some issue about, if
not done already many years ago. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that are more, just have looked for that. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
TQt is a special case anyway. But I looked at the building options and
yes, that can be still build against that libs. But, have you tested it?
It would not wonder me if that old libs will cry to die because newer
GCC. |
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| selk | It won't work for some libs at the first shoot |
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| selk | I will have to update the config(s) files for libmng |
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| selk | I don't know if this will compile for the other libs (matching the current versions of gcc, etc.) |
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| selk | s/shoot/shot |
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| _Chris_ | Is there a reason you want to build against the bundled libs? |
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| _Chris_ | You can look at the building options Slavek uses for Debian builds. |
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| selk | <_Chris_> Is there a reason you want to build against the bundled libs? <- No |
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| selk | I don't want to build against it. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, okay, than I got you wrong. :-) |
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| selk | I
was just trying to point out that if they are provided, if they need to
be provided that way today, it is better to have them updated
(including the config.sub, config.guess files) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
there is no bad about to update them. But for bundled libs which are
not needed anymore and I think they are not able to build with modern
setups, there is no real gain about them. At least for that example. For
other still used examples, yes. |
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| selk | My final tqt3 recipe is almost ready.. :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, nice. Does it work already with musl? |
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| selk | It compiles fine, yes |
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| selk | I haven't be able to test or run it yet |
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| selk | I have to build the rest of the requeriments for TDE... |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, would be interesting. But nice it builds already. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know, just TQt. |
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| selk | Yeah, this is tqt3-trinity-14.0.7 |
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| _Chris_ | Now you need tqtinterface. |
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| selk | Right.. |
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| aamuhammad | Trinity R14.7 is out in case you haven't noticed :) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| aamuhammad | What is this (Y) supposed to mean? |
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| _Chris_ | Thumbs up. |
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| aamuhammad | Guess
I'm not an emoji expert. I was starting to feel really frustrated with
the status-quo of modern Linux desktops untill I heard about Trinity
bringing KDE3 back to life about 3 years ago |
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| aamuhammad | Just when you think that a product can't get any crappier |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, many here think that way. |
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| aamuhammad | What's your distro? |
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| _Chris_ | Gentoo. |
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| aamuhammad | Mine is Ubuntu. I despite Canonical, But Ubuntu is the only distro that works fine on this Lenovo Z50 laptop of mine |
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| aamuhammad | Lenovo laptops in general is not Linux-friendly |
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| _Chris_ | That
depends, I think. They bought also up the Thinkpad line. I have some
Lenovo machines myself, but older ones, which are working fine. |
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| aamuhammad | Correct,
if you take a look at cutit.org/h-node you'll find that the more recent
the production date the lower the class and versa |
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| _Chris_ | Good to know that.. |
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| aamuhammad | Anyone knows how to increase the mouse cursor size? For accessibility reasons. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, never thought about it. But you can install some different cursor designs and change the used one from kcontrol. |
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| _Chris_ | For example, I have a bigger one here in the list called "obsidian", not sure you have that in Ubuntu. :-) |
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| aamuhammad | Couldn't find any clue in the control center, creating an Xdefaults file in my home directory didn't help either. |
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| _Chris_ | Kcontrol -> Devices -> Mouse. |
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| aamuhammad | Yeah, chosing another curosr shape is an option, but I would like to search for a direct soultion first. |
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| aamuhammad | knowing that I like keep my goold old classic X curosr |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| aamuhammad | These oxgen-themed ones that I found on gnome looks website are garbage anyways |
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| aggi | since there is some activity here i have found a somewhat serious bug in konquerer |
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| SlavekB | As far as I remember, various sizes of cursors are available in the comixcursors-lefthanded / righthanded package. |
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| aggi | i would like to know if anyone can reproduce it: 1) open two konquerer windows, 2) cut a file (ctrl+x, but not copy) |
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| aamuhammad | Tell us about this bug, though I think you should use Bugzilla. |
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| aamuhammad | Hold on... |
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| aggi | and 3) ctrl+v in the second instance of conquerer -> CRASH |
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| _Chris_ | Let me check. And better use TGW. |
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| _Chris_ | That works for me.. |
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| aggi | ok, good to know. my konquerer version here is 3.5.10, what's yours? |
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| _Chris_ | Tested
that mutiple times now. With the same dir both times and also a
different one. Just to be sure. That works. But might be I don't use
stable. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes.. |
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| _Chris_ | I recall. |
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| aamuhammad | Nope, didn't crash on R14.0.7 Maybe it has something to do with your own view profile (your own customizations) |
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| aamuhammad | You recall what? |
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| _Chris_ | My
version here is R14.1.0. By the way, there is work from someone I am in
cooperation with bringing the latest R14.0.x release to Gentoo. So it
next months, you maybe can update. |
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| _Chris_ | Aggi is still using some older TDE version. This bug will be fixed in newer releases. |
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| _Chris_ | So there is maybe no point to report that, except Slavek want to fix that in SRU branch? :-) |
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| aggi | maybe
it is related to some changes i made so but it is good to know that it
is functional with the installations of yours, and i am glad to hear
gentoo will see maintenance too :) |
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| _Chris_ | You
are not using this branch anyway, so you are neither using the latest
V3.5. version of TDE, But just wait a bit, or just join us to work on
that new Gentoo overlay, if you like, Aggi. You can help to any time. |
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| _Chris_ | I used some of your fixes for that, by the way and wrote your name in the commit. |
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| aggi | i'll certainly pull the any update and test it and provide any patches if i had any more of them |
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| SlavekB | Now I am at machine with TDE 3.5.13.3~pre... |
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| SlavekB | When I try to reproduce you procedure, file is transfered without any crash. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but some EAPI7 ports were needed first and some clean up and such
things. So it still can take some time. But after that you will most
likely just be able to update to the latest stable release. |
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| aggi | just
to make sure SlavekB, you did cut (ctrl-x) and paste into a different
location in a second instance of separate konquerer window? |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: The thing is... which exactly TDE version you use again, aggi? Was it not 3.5.12? |
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| SlavekB | yes, Ctrl+X in one window, Ctrl+V in another window. |
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| _Chris_ | Or 3.5.11? |
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| aggi | yes _Chris_, TDE 3.5.12 which pulled in konquerer 3.5.10 |
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| aggi | ok SlavekB |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, maybe that is fixed already in TDE 3.5.13. Slavek will find out maybe. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Many old KDE 3.5.x bugs have been fixed in 3.5.13.x branch |
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| SlavekB | So you can be sure that nobody will be now making any effort on TDE << 3.5.13.x :) |
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| _Chris_ | But,
aggi. There is really no point to invest now more energy in update that
3.5.x ebuilds. No offense. Thanks for your fixes anyway. |
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| aggi | none taken, and sorry for interrupting the recent conversation |
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| _Chris_ | aggi: No sorry, all good, that could be really something you found and is still crashing in recent versions.. |
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| aggi | i
had a question about the latest master branch ebuilds: are these all
9999 builds fetching directly from git repos or are release tar.gz files
utilized? |
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| aamuhammad | Turns out they're not different sized, they're different colors. |
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| SlavekB | :( |
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| aamuhammad | I
created a file named (Xdefaults) and filled it with (Xcursor.size: 32)
in my home, but for some reasons this only effected certain applications
and not the others, so the cursor keeps shrinking and increasing in
size as I hover my mouse around my screen. |
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| pitriss | aamuhammad: maybe those cursor files needs to have proper size.. eg scale those files |
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| pitriss | As some toolkits can have different cursor handling |
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| aamuhammad | I'm not sure what you mean by "scale those files". |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
They fetch from git master branch, but only the master branch - 9999
live ebuilds. The release ebuilds for R14.0.x then use just the release
files. |
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| pitriss | open
that in gimp, make it bigger (in terms of measures) and export back as
cur files (not sure if gimp can do that directly. It is quite some time
since i created red version of crystalcursors |
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| _Chris_ | Getting bigger mouse cursors in 2020. (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | How good the Linux Desktop cares about much bigger problems, like PulseAudio. :-) |
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| aggi | _Chris_:
i am a little confused, digging in the TDE tree currently. there's some
background to this concerning my workflow which is fetching ALL
required packages in advance and then (with regards to some security
concerns) build a full release while remaining 100% offline. And with
3.5.12 no git repositories were fetched for any of the 9999 builds as
one might expect with gentoo. |
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| aamuhammad | Pitriss: That's probably a good idea, will try it and return my feedback |
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| _Chris_ | The
3.5.12 ebuilds were never 9999 ebuilds. So with the next stable release
you will be allowed to just do that. Just fetch all sources, and build
offline. That should work. |
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| aggi | and,
if you can spare the time currently, i was thinking to - if and how -
release the hardened livedvd distro of mine which ships trinity desktop
now |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
to be honest, I think we better could talk to another time about that.
But you have already build that? With 3.5.12 then, right? |
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| aggi | exactly |
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| pitriss | aamuhammad: just try it.. and maybe you will need some google magic to figure out how to export file to cursor file |
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| aamuhammad | I don't use Google, I'm a saint :) |
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| _Chris_ | To
be honest, I am really not into that hardened thing. No offense. Maybe
that could be linked somewhere, or you could post it in the Gentoo forum
related to TDE? The thing is maybe just, it not looks good to release a
live DVD of some outdated TDE build. I don't know. But at least Gentoo
users could be happy about that and could test it that way, before
installing. |
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| aggi | the hardening features are almost 100% transparent |
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| aggi | and concerning TDE version the livedvd project could be considered a testing ground |
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| aggi | but as you proposed, some other time |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that is not the problem. I will think about, if that could be linked
for testing some older TDE release at the overlay page for Gentoo. But I
am not sure if and how. |
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| _Chris_ | But,
you know what? Your efforts could be really of use later. If we get the
latest release to build, you could do that again with that release and
that would be the only Gentoo live DVD with TDE. |
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| aggi | wait,
i am sitting on ~amd64/unstable currently and i would welcome a regular
update/bugfixing path and integrate that every 3 month for both testing
and a functional hardened livedvd release |
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| _Chris_ | You you would release a new Gentoo hardened live DVD of that with the latest stable TDE every three months, yes? |
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| _Chris_ | *So |
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| aggi | i could, easily |
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| _Chris_ | If you are able to do that, have the time, energy and motivation, you are very welcome to do that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | That
would allow Gentoo users to test TDE before installing it and have some
live DVD, also for installing and such things. But first, that stable
release ebuilds have to work. So if you have that motivation about in
some months or so still, you can ping me here to any time. |
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| aggi | not only that, i already finished a ncurses based installer for gentoo |
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| _Chris_ | For that TDE version? |
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| aggi | well, concerning TDE it is number one option as desktop environment for hardened yes, and it is presented as default choice |
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| _Chris_ | Very, very nice. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you want to create you some TGW account? That is were development is done now of TDE and also the new overlay too. |
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| _Chris_ | Aggi, I will open some issue about that at TGW, and I will ping you than, you can join us and we can discuss that further. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi: Just create some account here at TGW, if you want. -> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/ |
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| aggi | i
am currently reading about the CLA, and next to that one there might be
other legal issues involved with the type of release i had in mind |
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| aggi | what I want is to contribute in return for the great offering TDE certainly is |
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| _Chris_ | I
am not sure if you really need to sign that CLA just for build your
live DVD. If you want to contribute to TDE with commits, you just show
that with signing your commits. You don't need to Fax something or so. |
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| _Chris_ | But, we can just talk about that all in the issue I will open about than. |
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| aggi | allright,
i'll join in with the tde git mirror which is favorable to github, pull
in updates for the next release scheduled for feb/march and provide
patches initially |
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| aggi | ttyl |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, TDE has it's own GH now. |
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| _Chris_ | What
do you mean with patches? You are talking about building the latest
master branch now, or the latest stable branch, or you talk about
ebuilds? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | From feb/march I assume, you mean 14.0.8, so the stable branch? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
you can just test that to build, so you can work forward. But I hope
there are no special patches needed for building TDE under Gentoo these
days. Except that few one included in the overlay. |
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| aggi | last
time i checked for gentoo-packaging only one git-branch existed, but
with gentoo the branching concept is a little different anyway |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, you are talking about the overlay. Yes, only one branch, because you know, otherwise users would not get updates. |
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| _Chris_ | But at the moment only tdelibs is there for 14.0.6 and ported to EAPI7. |
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| _Chris_ | So,
you can only build the master branch. And that is in work beeing ported
to use EAPI7 too. So at the moment the overlay is still under clean
up.. |
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| _Chris_ | So,
to be honest, the best would be either you just build it for V3.5.x, as
you suggested. Or just wait, until there is a stable state of the
overlay. |
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| aggi | well,
some more background info with my workflow: i tried to automate the
release-build as much as possible so i heavily focused on
catalyst-capabilities with an additional configuration frontend of mine
on top |
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| _Chris_ | It's sad to stop your motivation to start with that, but that are the best options at the moment. |
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| aggi | so with every update there is typically various fixes required for: musl, libressl, kernel hardening patches, and TDE |
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| aggi | next to the fact I blacklist various "innovations" related to desktops (systemd/dbus/polkit etc.) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I see that from reading, you seems to be very into that topic of
building live DVDs. I never tested that. But it is very good you have
experience with that. |
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| aggi | well,
the livedvd dropout is the final result and the least of the concerns
since it is well scripted with gentoo (though i patched that too
slightly) |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
Okay, far point. Musl is something you are welcome to test again and
supply TDE upstream patches then, if needed. But then, please test again
latest master. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
We have great motivation to make all optional what can be optional
related to udisks, polkit and such things and know about that. But that
all will need some time, but every work is welcome. |
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| aggi | _Chris_:
except for some minor issues, as i said already, TDE is exactly what i
was looking for and it is fully integrated already |
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| _Chris_ | That
is nice to hear. It is sad Gentoo kicked out KDE3 as fast back in the
days. But with no one who cares about TDE now at Gentoo, we have just to
join our forces. But again, it needs time. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
If there is still any patch you need to build the TDE master branch
with musl, you can provide them at TGW. If you need any help then, just
let me or Slavek know, okay? Just that they don't end up somewhere. Your
work is very welcome, if you still find something not building. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But please, use the master branch. All patches will be included in the stable branch anyway. |
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| aggi | _Chris_: i think our perspectives slightly differ |
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| _Chris_ | That might be the case. |
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| aggi | mine
is the one of the final release-management/integration part to produce
regular dev-drop releases of a gentoo-hardened livedvd including TDE |
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| aggi | to achieve that i am willing to grab a machete and patch quick and dirty at 100 places in parallel if required |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I understood that. But from what I got, you do that with musl, or I am wrong? |
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| aggi | currently it is musl-libc but i tested other options including glibc and uclibc-ng too, glibc is no-go in it's current state imo |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
I see. So you don't want to provide the patches for that, that would be
not needed anymore for later TDE builds under Gentoo? |
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| aggi | wait,
OK, i would be willing to publish all the work, certainly, but i could
hardly afford the electricity bill if the build-server was operating
24/7 |
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| _Chris_ | Okay,
just use what you want. It's just, if you have any patches, it would
make sense to share them. In the badest case just drop them somewhere..
:-) |
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| _Chris_ | You don't need to. |
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| _Chris_ | Just - If you find something - You can drop that work. That will save you work with later reases too. |
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| _Chris_ | You did that for your work related 3.5.12 too. It was just that most of that was already in the master branch. |
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| Cybermax | Good day! |
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| Cybermax | I use Ubuntu Trinity. |
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| Cybermax | I opened the zip archive in the Ark archiver. After that, the shortcut is my computer and my documents open in the ark archiver. |
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| Cybermax | I
tried to open these shortcuts in the Konqueror file manager, but it
does not work. The error message that the Konqueror could not open it. |
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| Cybermax | How can I fix this? |
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| denk | what did I forget? https://paste.dilos.org/?e9a38831b2f9bd1d#QGugh7FqJGrN2qz63veSjLr1yQXtxFjViIsF3g1mGRE= |
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| denk | I'm trying to port main/libraries/python-trinity |
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| denk | unfortunately I don't understand python at all :( |
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| aamuhammad | Anyone knows how to change clock format to 12-hours? |
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| SlavekB | Denk, before python-trinity you need to build sip4-tqt, tqscintilla and python-tqt. |
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| aamuhammad | It's not in the settings at all. My gues is that there is some sort of a file I have to manually edit |
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| denk | SlavekB: ported |
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| SlavekB | aamuhammad,
in Trinity Control Center / Regional & Accessibility /
Country/Region & Language / Times & Dates / Time format you can
select 24 / 12. |
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| aamuhammad | I think it should be something more simpe than (pH:MM:SS AMPM) to be more noticble |
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| aamuhammad | More like AM/PM |
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| _Chris_ | That differs very, aamuhammad. For me, that would be confusing. But might be that is translated anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Or you mean instead of AMPM above AM/PM? Than that might be true. |
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| aamuhammad | No I mean to have two options in this drop-down menu, first is (24 hours), second is (12 hours) |
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| aamuhammad | That would be convenient |
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| aamuhammad | And equal to what the user would exepect if he's migrating from other desktop environments too. |
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| denk | SlavekB: https://paste.dilos.org/?958fdadb79f63a88#m4by55IpYw60niVsAWHmyeV4Nf3lLw04P56JqB49v3o= any suggestions? |
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| aamuhammad | By "He's" I mean the user, he or she |
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| SlavekB | Denk, in your list of /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/python_tqt not exists __init__.py |
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| denk | thanks |
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| SlavekB | This is necessary for the directory to be considered as a Python module. |
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| denk | I understand it now, thank you for the help |
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| _Chris_ | aamuhammad: Yes, 12/24 is also normal for me, but that might differ. I am not sure about. |
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| denk | SlavekB: one more question... https://paste.dilos.org/?589064787474d48a#BC7iPzHdO7xdtWArV8HMDVadx0JZcDaPGAHN3pAvNV8= |
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| denk | where does it find TQScintilla? |
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| denk | libtqscintilla-dev && libtqscintilla7 are installed in the system |
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| SlavekB | In Debian package is /usr/lib/libqscintilla.so.7.0.1 |
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| denk | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1743376 Jan 8 19:56 /usr/lib/amd64/libqscintilla.so.7.0.1 |
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| denk | ok, thanks... |
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| SlavekB | You need to change -o /usr/lib to -o /usr/lib/amd64 |
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| denk | don't forget that we have sparcv9 |
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| denk | but I've fixed it, thanks! |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| SlavekB | yes, amd64 is a bit misleading in that case. |
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| denk | well, it should be /usr/lib/{amd64,sparcv9} for our platform |
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| SlavekB | Probably better to use a standard triplet, as for other libraries in multiarch installations. |
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| SlavekB | amd64 => x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| SlavekB | Of course, assuming you are using these multiarch paths along the Debian model. |
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| denk | when we will have our target in gcc, then... |
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| denk | it could be x86_64-dilos or something like this |
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| denk | btw, I'd like to intergate some patches in the base tree with target __dilos__ |
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| selk | Hi everyone |
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| selk | _Chris_: are you around? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, half way. :-) |
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| selk | Okay; one quick question |
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| selk | I want to propose a minor change for tqt3 to resolve a minor issue |
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| selk | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/issues/22 |
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| _Chris_ | That one about the debug flag? |
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| selk | I should fork the master repo and then propose the change doing a pull request using the web interface? |
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| selk | _Chris_: Yes |
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| _Chris_ | No, we have some instructions for that. |
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| selk | I don't remember the instructions |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| selk | _Chris_: Thx. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | SlavekB: Hi; Please change the topic of the channel to reflect the recent TDE version. |
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| selk | BTW, about the tqt3 build |
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| _Chris_ | Selk,
please keep in mind you branch away from the master branch and not
stable. The commit will come to stable anyway. Not that you think the
other way.. |
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| selk | I should have everything installed on /opt/trinity/tqt3-<version> including the libraries? |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| selk | _Chris_: Hmm.. are you saying that I should work on the master branch, after that this can be included on the stable one? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, do your change with branching of from the master branch. It will be added to the stable branch anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek keeps care of such things. :-) |
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| selk | Okidoki |
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| selk | It looks like everything goes to /opt/trinity/tqt3-<version> plus lib/ there |
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| selk | But I've seen some builders passing -L/usr/lib<suffix> to the configure |
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| SlavekB | Selk,
you can be sure that I would love to change the topic here. But if
there is active tbottu, it degrades every attempt to get op. And without
getting an op, I can't change the topic :( |
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| selk | However, I am not sure if -L is interpreted by the configure, I must check |
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| selk | SlavekB: ouch! |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, I have to wait for the moment when tbottu will be offline so I can get op. |
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| selk | Aha. -L add an explicit library path. But does not have effect on the installation directory. |
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| selk | So everything should go to /opt/trinity/tqt3-<version>... (according to the /opt/trinity installation) |
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| selk | with the exception of /usr for tqtinterface |
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| selk | 5.0M /var/cache/qi/packages/x86_64/tde/tqt3-14.0.7-x86_64+1.tlz |
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| selk | (Compressed package size) |
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| selk | >du -sh usr/pkg/tqt3-14.0.7-x86_64+1/ |
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| selk | 21M usr/pkg/tqt3-14.0.7-x86_64+1/ |
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| selk | (Installed package) |
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| agris | can I install Trinity on Gentoo? |
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| aggi | i encountered another crash: Control Center -> Peripherals -> Info -> PCI -> crash. |
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| aggi | still version 3.5.13.2 on gentoo here and i'll test the latest release soon. can you reproduce this bug? |
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| aggi | hello _Chris_ |
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| aggi | 1) i registered some minutes ago but no permissions are granted to create a repository |
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| aggi | 2) i synced the latest gentoo-packaging tree: is r14.0.6 gentoo tree considered sufficiently stable to proceed with it? |
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| aggi | 3) i noticed another crash on gentoo with v13.5.2: control center -> peripherals -> information -> PCI |
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| aggi | can this crash be reproduced on any of your gentoo systems? |
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| _Chris_ | aggi: 1) No, you need special rights to creat own repos. But I think, in this case Slavek may allow you some excuse? |
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| _Chris_ | 2)
No, it is under heavy work. See my PR's and porting to EAPI7 and 14.0.6
is done by E. Liddell, which will add anything other than tdelibs to
the tree, after I am done. |
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| _Chris_ | 3) No, that works for me like a charm. So that will be fixed with next stable and was fixed most likely years ago. :-) |
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| aggi | ok,
concerning 1) i intended to maintain a branch initially to keep the
chaos on your side minimal and let you pick from a separate repository
as desired |
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| aggi | 2) i think i'll give it a try nonetheless and see what is broken |
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| aggi | since my workflow for a final integration is rather efficient maybe i can help with some testing at least |
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| aggi | so for now thanks. |
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| _Chris_ | 1) For what you want to create some branch of tde-packages-gentoo? |
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| _Chris_ | 2) Yes, just do what you want to work on. But please, don't blame me, if something doesn't work right now. |
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| _Chris_ | You
can register at TGW and branch away from the master branch and work on
your feature, or what ever you want to do. Keep in mind: For 14.0.6.
there isn't something tot test. Ebuilds are only existing fot tdelibs,
so far. |
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| aggi | 1)
musl-libc, libressl, dbus-removal (which can be integrated into ebuilds
without branching and i'll prepare this on the separate branch for a
future merge) |
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| aggi | anyway, why did i register with TDE if i couldn't create a branch/repo? |
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| aggi | 2) didn't blame anyone at all, not sure yet how to proceed, maybe i'll simply backport one or another fix |
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| _Chris_ | 1)
musln isn't tested, but yes, if you want to test that, that would be
good. But maybe it would be better to start with the 9999 ebuilds? So
master branch. But I will need still some days to complete them. |
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| _Chris_ | aggi: You can create some branch. You can also fork a repo. But you can't create a fully own repo at your own. |
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| _Chris_ | 2) No problem, just you know things aren't ready yet. |
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| aggi | no need to hurry, v13.5.2 is in good shape on gentoo and hardened-musl is tested |
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| aggi | with success |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Good, if that worked with musl already now, than will master branch surely too. |
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| _Chris_ | About
dbus und such things like udisks. TDE knows people don't always want to
have and use that. But it is some process to make some things optional
again and some things there is talk needed. For example, the powersave
functions. I don't know exactly, if that is working right now without
any dbus. But I am also for making all that optional, but someone needs
to do that and it has to work. |
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| aggi | some things do not integrate without dbus anymore, which is exactly what people like me want |
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| aggi | i had no issue with providing a amd64-hardened.iso including trinity for review |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I can Link that to the TDE repo README.md file that will come at some point, for testing, or so. We will see. |
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| a-865 | Again zypper cannot find valid metadata @ mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org |
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| a-865 | somebody changed the opensuse URL from oss151 to opensuse15.1 |
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| a-865 | used to be openSUSE_15.1 |
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| Space_Man | I'm having some trouble updating debian testing and trinity https://paste.debian.net/1123291/ |
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| SlavekB | Space_Man testing or unstable? |
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| Space_Man | the line in sources.list deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 main-r14 |
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| Space_Man | I guess it is testing |
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| SlavekB | buster != testing! |
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| SlavekB | buster is current stable :) |
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| Space_Man | as it is fairly stable |
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| SlavekB | you need to use bullseye |
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| Space_Man | thanks |
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| Space_Man | I'll update sources.list and update etc |
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| SlavekB | Because bullseye is unfortunately not on the original mirror.xcer.cz, you can use more official location http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb |
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| Space_Man | again thanks for the information |
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| Space_Man | using "buster" has been fine for a long time |
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| Space_Man | the errors appeared about 3 weeks ago, I suspect when debian updated gcc |
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| SlavekB | An important moment is the update of binutils. |
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| SlavekB | Because
the 'libr' library is very closely dependent on the version of
binutils, then upgrading the binutils to a new release requires updating
the 'libr' package. |
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| SlavekB | Otherwise, it will cause a conflict between binutils and libr => proposing to uninstall the entire TDE. |
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| SlavekB | By
the way, currently it is not possible to use TDE on Debian unstable
(SID) because there has been a change in binutils API == requires not
only to rebuild the libr but to make adjustments. |
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| ejr | hi!
so recently i tried tde and was overall quite pleased with it. i would
actually like to use it as my second DE, however there is one crucial
problem: its wifi connection tool does not support WPA encryption it
seems. is there some tde tool one can use that also supports
wpa-encrypted networks? |
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| SlavekB | did you use tdenetworkmanager? |
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| ejr | uhm, honestly not sure, i forgot its name (Was already some days ago)...i think it was kwifimanager |
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| ejr | does the tdenetworkmanager support wpa? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, tdenetworkmanager is the frontend for NetworkManager. |
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| ejr | oh great, then i shall go back to my other laptop with tde installed and check again :) thanks for the advice |
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| selk | Hi everybody |
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| selk | I'm having a problem while trying to compile arts: |
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| selk | https://paste.debian.net/1126167/ |
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| selk | I fixed it, recently. I need one more test to propose the change. :-) |
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| selk | as _Chris_ puts "(Y)"... |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | Don't blame me, I just got that from Slavek. :-) |
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| * selk re-building arts |
| selk | If pass.. |
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| _Chris_ | No
clue, selk, haven't looked. But keep in mind if you trouble with arts,
it use glib threads. Just learned that myself some time ago. |
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| selk | This is a problem related with glibc |
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| selk | It passes! |
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| selk | Now... |
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| selk | (Y) ! |
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| selk | =D |
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| selk | Ok, time to propose the PR... |
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| selk | s/related with glibc/related with glibc vs. musl/ |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. Interesting, that isn't fixed. |
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| selk | Exactly |
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| selk | I should work on the stable branch, right? |
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| selk | r14.0.x |
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| _Chris_ | Most liekly. Hm. |
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| SlavekB | PR should be for master branch... |
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| SlavekB | ...then can be backported to r14.0.x |
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| selk | Okidoki |
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| selk | Cloning... |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. Yes, I mean I have extra written that in your issue, selk. Please look at the tutorial about TGW.. |
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| selk | First I will look at TGW |
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| selk | It looks like a have to create a new branch |
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| selk | -
feat/whatever ->
feature branch, used to propose a new feature, fix, improvement, etc
... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. In this case, it could be a fix, I think. |
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| selk | So.. |
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| _Chris_ | About that debugging thing, right? |
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| selk | 1) Clone the arts repo |
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| selk | 2) Create a new branch |
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| selk | 3) Make the change |
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| selk | 4) Push |
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| selk | Correct? |
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| selk | <_Chris_> About that debugging thing, right? <- This one will be for arts |
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| selk | Later I will send the PR for tqt |
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| selk | (implies more files) |
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| selk | arts is only one file. |
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| selk | to be fixed. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it could be okay just to clone the repo alone. Make sure master branch is checked out, if you create your branch. |
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| _Chris_ | Keep in mind to use -s for the commit. |
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| selk | Sure, I have the option for git to sign by default. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | You clone from gitea/TGW, right? |
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| selk | Yes |
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| selk | From this address: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/arts.git |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | It's wonderful to see you start to contribute now too, Selk. :-) |
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| selk | Yeah, I am focused in build and complete the TDE for inclusion (by default in Dragora) |
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| selk | Ok, I have the commit... |
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| _Chris_ | If
you have pushed your branch, you can just go to TGW and the arts repo
and create the PR and select the branch, you can see your work than und
write something additional. |
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| selk | pushed. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | I am seeing the change here: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/arts/src/branch/feat/musl |
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| selk | What else I have to do? |
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| selk | Nothing else? |
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| _Chris_ | You need to be logged in. |
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| selk | In theory, SlavekB should merge the branch with the master branch, right? |
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| _Chris_ | And then you click to create PR. |
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| _Chris_ | Some green button. |
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| selk | Ahh |
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| _Chris_ | Then you can select the branch. |
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| _Chris_ | And then, you need to make some comment about, or not, if the commit message is clear. |
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| selk | Done. Cool! |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Very good, Slek. |
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| selk | Thanks _Chris_ (Y) |
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| SlavekB | selk, you forgot to use "-s" => Signed-off-by line is missing. |
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| selk | in the push? |
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| SlavekB | In commit. |
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| selk | Weird |
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| SlavekB | -S (big 'S') is for GPG signature |
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| selk | I have the option enabled for git, and I wrote the password |
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| SlavekB | -s (small 's') is for Signed-off-by line. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| SlavekB | so, you can use -sS :) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes, now you see. :-) |
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| selk | gpgsign = true |
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| selk | This is for -s only, right? |
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| SlavekB | When you use both (see -sS mentioned above), then both will be included. |
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| SlavekB | Now you can use git commit -sS --amend |
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| selk | I follow you |
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| SlavekB | ...and then git push origin HEAD -f |
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| selk | All done. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| selk | I should create the PR again from the web interface? |
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| SlavekB | not needed |
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| selk | Awesome |
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| SlavekB | PR is for branch and you did update in that branch. |
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| selk | Now the question is why "gpgsign = true" does not pass -S for git? |
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| selk | I should check if a variable exist for it |
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| SlavekB | gpg sign and "signed-off-by" are two different things. |
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| selk | I see, how I can tell to git to pass -S by default ? |
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| SlavekB | you can see in TGW, that now both are ok - Signed-off-by is attached and commit is green == signed by gpg. |
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| selk | Yes, it is in green now |
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| selk | I have to dinner, when I come back I will make the changes for tqt3 |
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| SlavekB | For
tqt3, the situation may not be as simple as it may seem. Usually there
are three types of build - release without debug symbols, release with
debug symbols (used by most distributions) and debug containing not only
debug symbols but also additional debug messages. |
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| SlavekB | If
tqt3 does not contain these three variants, but only -release and
-debug, then this explains why debug symbols are enabled also for the
-release variant. |
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| SlavekB | ...comment added to the issue TDE/tqt3#22. |
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| mtlsw | hello |
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| mtlsw | hi
guys, i double-checked, the trinity-signkey package installs and dpkg
-L shows signkeys going into apt's gpg settings, though still after
adding debian buster (amd64) and apt-get update for either r14-ppa or
the sb url [[[ deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-sb buster deps-r14 main-r14 ----- deb https://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x buster main ]] -- when |
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| mtlsw | "apt-get
install tde-trinity" is applied, apt complains of packages not signed,
even though "apt-key list" shows that tde signkeys are there.. can
someone take a look at this? thanks |
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| selk | ... comment added to the issue TDE/tqt3#22. |
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| selk | I am having a trouble trying to build tqca-tls: https://paste.debian.net/1126406/ |
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| SlavekB | I suppose it will be due to OpenSSL × LibreSSL difference. |
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| selk | Yes, I have LibreSSL 3.0.2 |
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| SlavekB | You can look into tdelibs, there was some very small LibreSSL-related patch. |
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| SlavekB | I suppose some similarly simple solution could be here as well. |
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| selk | I am searching for some info |
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| selk | Oh, I see |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/issues/28 |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/pulls/29 |
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| _Chris_ | And
there seems to was a typo, which was fixed later. Just for reference,
just did search quick, maybe useful for you, maybe not. :-) |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_ thank you, that's exactly what I meant. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Never tested it here under Gentoo myself, just to say. But a good reminder to add support for it also to Gentoo.. |
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| selk | I'm sorry, my connection was failing... |
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| selk | I will try with these lines: |
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| selk | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/pulls/29 |
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| selk | Ah, no. It does not work. |
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| selk | I've tried previously as: |
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| selk | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER >= 0x10100000L && !defined(LIBRESSL_VERSION_NUMBER) |
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| selk | hoho! |
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| selk | Holy.. I think I have solved the build issue (at least) |
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| selk | New PR created for tqca-tls: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/pulls/4 |
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| SlavekB | Well done, the patch looks as simple and clear as I expected. Please don't forget '-s' => Signed-off-by ;) |
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| selk | It is in green (what I see), is this correct? |
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| SlavekB | Green is GPG signature, but Signed-off-by line is missing. |
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| selk | Holy Git.... |
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| SlavekB | You need to use both -sS :) |
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| selk | I've created this alias for git (global gitconfig): commit = commit -sS |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| selk | recently, I will try again. |
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| selk | Which was the command? |
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| SlavekB | now you can use git commit -sS --amend |
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| selk | the amend, yes |
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| selk | I will try with `git commit --amend' to see if the alias works |
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| selk | hm.. maybe it is not prepending... |
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| selk | ok, I've passed the -sS to the --amend |
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| selk | manually |
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| selk | Now git push origin HEAD -f ? |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| selk | Okidoki.. |
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| selk | Done :) |
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| SlavekB | great |
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| SlavekB | as you can see i did small modification to your comment on PR. |
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| SlavekB | no content change, only format. |
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| selk | It has the correct format now |
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| selk | This was due to Markdown? |
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| SlavekB | so, to insert a block of code or a dump, it is good to use `` `at the beginning and at the end. |
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| selk | Aha, for raw |
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| SlavekB | As you correctly recognized, yes there is Markdown support, so issues can be better formated than ever the bugzilla reports. |
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| selk | Hi SlavekB, I saw your comment on the PR for arts |
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| selk | I am looking for a solution... |
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| selk | I wonder if there is a way to test with cmake the posix ioctl and define the macros for it... |
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| SlavekB | Perhaps the question is why the function declaration is here - it would be sufficient to use include from the system. |
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| selk | Yeah, it has sense |
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| selk | SlavekB: The idea is to build TDE in all the BSD variants or only in FreeBSD? |
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| SlavekB | The idea is not to exclude any system :) |
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| agris | that's neat |
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| agris | i'd love to use trinity on beeshdee |
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| SlavekB | Weblate is really great. And a big project like Fedora has also verified it: |
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| SlavekB | https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-localization-platform-migrates-to-weblate/ |
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| SlavekB | https://translate.stg.fedoraproject.org/projects/ |
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| SlavekB | It should be noted that the size of their instance is still significantly smaller than ours :) |
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| SlavekB | https://translate.stg.fedoraproject.org/stats/ |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/stats/ |
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| __Chris | Nice, Slavek. So TDE was ahead of that before Fedora. :-) |
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| __Chris | Yes,
interesting. TDE is a really big project. It was needing time to get
some overview at first. Like some new big town you need to explore.
Alone on the translation side. :-) |
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| __Chris | Now Weblate people just have to re-think some of their design changes a little, little bit and I am fine with it again. |
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| SlavekB | By the way, today, by chance, small updates have come together: |
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| SlavekB | https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/releases/tag/v1.10.3 |
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| SlavekB | https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/releases/tag/weblate-3.10.2 |
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| __Chris | Good to know that. (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Of course, both updates are already done on our server :) |
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| selk | SlavekB: Have you tested the patch for tqca-tls in FreeBSD or under a Glibc-based system? |
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| selk | hmm |
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| selk | There is a warning after aplying the patch when build tqca-tls, I will past it at... |
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| selk | *paste |
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| selk | https://paste.debian.net/1126560/ |
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| selk | Probably, it needs some work in the #else side (for LibreSSL), I don't know. |
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| selk | Forget. The warning suggest to use the functions with the suffix _ex |
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| selk | For EVP_EncryptFinal and EVP_DencryptFinal |
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| selk | Well.. I am building libart-lgpl |
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| selk | 0 problem. |
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| selk | The only detail is that the CMake build system seems to lack the option for MANDIR |
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| selk | the option seems missing, I will try with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_MANDIR= |
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| selk | But I don't see any reference for MANDIR in the libart-lgpl tree |
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| selk | Nope. It is not recognized; IMHO, it should be because libart-lgpl provides manpages... |
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| pissbrain | I'm
trying to configure tde-arts but CMake keeps giving me an error "gcc
visibility support was requested, but not supported in tqt library" |
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| selk | Probably is because tqt was configured without the gcc visibility support and arts is reading/taking some build options from tqt |
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| selk | Default options are to use gcc visibility |
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| selk | You can pass -DWITH_GCC_VISIBILITY=OFF for tde-arts, if you want go without the gcc visiblity... |
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| pissbrain | What is gcc visibility for? does it build faster with it? |
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| selk | https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/Visibility |
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| selk | Question, I don't see Akode mention on https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Basic_Building_Requirements |
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| selk | But so far akode is part of the dependencies tree: http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/releases/R14.0.7/main/dependencies/ |
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| selk | I should build akode? |
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| selk | s/mention/mentioned/ |
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| __Chris | Akode is just some backend like xine-lib for arts decoding, as far as I know. |
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| selk | Good question, what is akode really? the README is empty. |
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| __Chris | So it should be optionally. At least I never had it installed so far. |
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| selk | Never? I like that :) |
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| __Chris | Akode was something like xine-lib, when xine-lib was not really in place. |
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| __Chris | Back in times, arts should be something like phonon today, so video and audio decoding. |
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| __Chris | And than work started to make arts something like xine-lib. |
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| __Chris | But that was slow, or other problems. |
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| selk | Better to avoid it, unless it is really needed... |
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| __Chris | So then someone tried to implement own backends, for mp3, for example. So akode. |
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| selk | Thanks __Chris |
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| selk | I will try to build tdelibs now |
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| __Chris | So
with arts you can use libmad directly with arts, or you can use arts
-> xine-lib -> libmad (so xine-lib can use libmad and/or ffmpeg
for mp3) etc. |
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| __Chris | Okay. (Y) |
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| selk | Yeah, I have all the dependencies covered for arts (including libmad) |
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| selk | libmad is really old, I've applied patches from Debian to refresh it... |
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| selk | Well.. xine is still pending, thanks for point the order... |
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| __Chris | Libmad is wonderful. |
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| __Chris | It's just very light. |
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| selk | By the way, |
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| __Chris | And it sounds much better for MP3s than the other alternatives. |
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| selk | avahi-tqt is recommended but it needs avahi (common) |
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| selk | Do you know if qt5 is needed to build avahi? |
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| __Chris | It
works without avahi, at least I am not using it. But I don't know what
your target is and what functionality you want to build in. |
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| __Chris | Qt5? No.. |
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| selk | Okay, good to know |
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| selk | My goal is to try to offer a complete desktop experience |
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| selk | without missing parts (dependencies) in order to provide the full support |
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| selk | From http://www.avahi.org/ |
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| selk | "Avahi
is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network via
the mDNS/DNS-SD protocol suite. This enables you to plug your laptop or
computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who
you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared.
Compatible technology is found in Apple MacOS X (branded "Bonjour" and
sometimes "Zeroconf")." |
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| selk | It could be useful for some people, I guess. |
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| __Chris | Yes, if someone does needs that, is is useful. :-) |
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| selk | Ok, building tdelibs. Crossing fingers... |
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| selk | yaw! error |
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| selk | Seems related to LibreSSL... |
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| selk | (I will check) |
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| selk | New PR created for tdelibs: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/pulls/63 |
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| pissbrain | I rebuilt and reinstalled tqt3 with gcc visibility flags and tde-arts is now compiling, Thanks selk. |
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| selk | Glad to be useful :-) |
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| pissbrain | libart-lgpl is missing a configure file |
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| selk | It has the CMake build system |
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| pissbrain | got it installed, thanks. |
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| aamuhammad | I
need break intervals, my eyes are getting sore, how to make that happen
on Trinity? Besides Workrave because that application is useless. |
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| aggi | many casio watches can do an hourly beep |
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| aamuhammad | Yeah
I have an alarm next to me that I can set to 1 hour intervals, but I'm
looking for something that's Trinity native. What about Korganize? |
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| aamuhammad | Does it have a built-in alarm? |
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| __Chris | aggi:
The live ebuilds are ready now - More or less, you are invited to test,
if you like. Some base TDE system should be able to build now - If not,
be free to create issues about. |
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| aggi | thanks alot __Chris, i have a job interview next week |
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| aggi | so, lets hope it fails |
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| __Chris | Just wanted to let you know. Before there was no point, because it was broken anyway. And be optimistic. (Y) |
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| aggi | i'll pull in wednesday |
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| __Chris | Just take your time. |
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| aamuhammad | I used Safe Eyes, it's a GTK application with many interesting features, works seamlessly on Trinity. |
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| aamuhammad | Kalarm-trinity
seems to sutiable for the task too, but in a much more complicated
manner with no way to enforce breaks, so if you're gonna use it you will
need some honor. |
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| aamuhammad | You know, to respect your own break and not just ignore it |
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| pissbrain | trying to compile tdebase but it can't find tdelibs.cmake |
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| __Chris | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| __Chris | Maybe that helps you a bit. |
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| pissbrain | Did i screw up while installing tdelibs? because tdelibs installed just fine for me. |
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| pissbrain | I used the CMake Gui to configure and generate the build files and i will admit that i didn't pay much attention to the values. |
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| __Chris | You..
generated the CMake files? No, tdelibs has CMake files already. You
just need CMake to build. Might be I misunderstand you. But I will have
to go offline now. Please look at the link I wrote you, that should
allow you to build a base TDE install. More or less. |
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| denk | due to porting tdenetwork to DilOS I hit a bug, please fix it in the main tree |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?f186919fe6d3adcd#Wt4uA/iCQNOf0ID8+Gz6uIONDxXjCMYLSurn7BNIQg4= |
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| denk | thanks |
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| selk | SlavekB: I wonder if we can use ioctl directly (just including), without determining the value for it in artscdsp.c |
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| SlavekB | You can see PR #3 which seems good. |
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| selk | Oh, I didn't now |
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| selk | Glad that someone looked into it, I don't know too much about CMake |
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| SlavekB | There
seems to be no detection of what type is needed for ioctl calls. After
adding this detection, your PR should no longer be needed. |
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| selk | Good good |
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| SlavekB | You can test TDE/arts#3 on your system. |
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| selk | I will look to the tqca-tls issue in a moment |
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| selk | SlavekB: I will |
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| selk | SlavekB: Okay; to start, I've changed the two lines that you mentioned on the tqca-tls PR #4 and it worked |
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| selk | I changed both conditions to: |
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| selk | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER >= 0x10100000L && !defined(LIBRESSL_VERSION_NUMBER) |
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| selk | Instead of: |
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| selk | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER < 0x10100000L && !defined(LIBRESSL_VERSION_NUMBER) |
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| selk | It's okay to you I can send the update... |
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| selk | The OPENSSL_free() declared at the line 192 belongs to openssl-1.1 |
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| selk | https://www.openssl.org/docs/man1.1.0/man3/OPENSSL_free.html |
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| selk | This is now under the recent condition ... >= && !defined libressl |
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| SlavekB | moment, these are not interchangeable conditions. |
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| selk | Really? |
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| SlavekB | If the original code contained: |
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| SlavekB | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER < 0x10100000L |
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| selk | As I remember it didn't worked |
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| selk | But to ensure I will test again |
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| SlavekB | you can't just turn it over to: |
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| SlavekB | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER >= 0x10100000L |
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| selk | Leaving < ... for the last two conditions does not work |
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| selk | I will change it to >= ... |
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| selk | Yes1 |
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| selk | Yes, it worked! |
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| SlavekB | As I said, if they were <, then changing to >= is nonsense. |
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| selk | But it does not work for all ... |
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| SlavekB | But that change would cause FTBFS to all others. |
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| selk | Having < does not work here, and as I pointed the OPENSSL_free() seems to belong to openssl-1 |
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| selk | How I should proceed? |
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| SlavekB | You can try to replace it by CRYPTO_free |
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| selk | I will follow or try to acommodate the conditions as in tdelibs |
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| selk | and change OPENSSL_free |
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| SlavekB | In any case, you can't reverse the sense of the conditions because it will cause FTBFS for everyone. |
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| selk | SlavekB: Right now the conditions are: |
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| selk | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER < 0x10100000L || defined(LIBRESSL_VERSION_NUMBER) |
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| selk | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER < 0x10100000L |
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| selk | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER < 0x10100000L |
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| selk | #if OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER < 0x10100000L |
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| selk | I only added the minimal definition in order to compile against libressl, it works |
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| selk | The rest of the content is preserved. |
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| selk | SlavekB: PR #4 updated for tqca-tls: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/commit/e075a6cb580f5d175383c0cc7d17109b205c2c1f |
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| a-865 | unable to resolve mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org 37.205.10.16 |
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| a-865 | still awaiting response |
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| a-865 | had to change sources.list to sat yosemite.net instead of trinitydesktop.org |
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| a-865 | had to change sources.list to read yosemite.net instead of trinitydesktop.org |
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| selk | Yep, seems down. |
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| selk | SlavekB: I should change the conditions to ... >= ... || libressl ? |
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| selk | All of them? |
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| SlavekB | wrong seems to be only this one condition. |
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| jlturriff | To
upgrade my desktop from Trinity 14.0.6 to 14.0.7, is it sufficient to
just perform 'zypper dist-upgrade --from=trinity-noarch
--from=trinity-x86_64', or are there other steps that I need to take
before or after that? |
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| jlturriff | (Oops! Should have said, distribution OpenSuSE Leap 15.1) |
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| a-865 | jlturriff: openSUSE works differently from debians. goto /etc/zypp/repos.d/ and ensure the baseurl lines include http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse15.1/trinity-r14/RPMS/, then you don't even need dist-upgrade, only upgrade |
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| a-865 | jlturriff: you don't need the froms |
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| a-865 | jlturriff:
openSUSE works differently from debians. goto /etc/zypp/repos.d/ and
ensure the baseurl lines in your two TDE repo files include http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse15.1/trinity-r14/RPMS/, then you don't even need dist-upgrade, only upgrade |
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| a-865 | jlturriff: this assumes mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org isn't down still SlavekB |
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| SlavekB | machine is up |
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| SlavekB | the outage was short and planned |
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| a-865 | :) |
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| SlavekB | https://lists.vpsfree.cz/pipermail/outage-list/2020-January/000841.html |
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| a-865 | that doesn't look like a list I subscribe to :p |
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| SlavekB | for your information, our VPS is at node13.prg :) |
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| selk | SlavekB: PR for tqca-tls updated: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/commit/2d86101fb027ee9e06912871c18cbb635ed523ef |
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| SlavekB | Oops,
now all changed conditions are wrong! It is not possible to change the
meaning of the conditions when the code to which they relate has not
changed. This will cause FTBFS to everyone. |
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| selk | Uh! |
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| selk | How many packages depends on tqca-tls? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/pulls/4/files |
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| SlavekB | do you see any sense of reversing the sense of conditions there? |
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| SlavekB | tqca-tls is used in kopete. |
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| selk | Restoring the condition that you pointed at the line 78 breaks the build against libressl |
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| SlavekB | Conditions
there were created for OpenSSL 1.1 compatibility. Reversing conditions
breaks compatibility with both OpenSSL <1.1 and OpenSSL> = 1.1.
Therefore, it lacks any logic. |
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| selk | woops |
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| selk | I forget the && !defined libressl ... |
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| jlturriff | Okay, I will have a look at /etc/zypp/repos.d/ |
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| selk | Now it works :) |
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| selk | SlavekB: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/commit/94a27ddd3c6781394192e44b5bcb3ce86f0a100b |
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| selk | I will change the rest and check the rest tomorrow, it is getting late here |
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| jlturriff | Um... in my /etc/zypp/repos.d are two files: trinity-noarch.repo, pointing to http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse15.1/trinity-r14/RPMS/noarch, and trinity-x86_64.repo, pointing to http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity/rpm/opensuse15.1/trinity-r14/RPMS/x86_64. These
were added to my repository list per the instructions in the
installation instructions for OpenSuSE on the Trinity Desktop
website. Are |
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| jlturriff | sed into a single entry by removing the last node of the URL? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I also need to go to bed... |
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| jlturriff | Shouldn't the channel topic say 'R14.0.7' now? :-) |
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| SlavekB | JLTurriff,
yes you are right, however i have to watch the moment when tbottu will
be offline so he doesn't degrade my attempt to get op. |
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| selk | Good morning |
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| aamuhammad_ | Good morning to you :) |
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| selk | Haha, thx. |
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| selk | SlavekB: PR updated for tqca-tls: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/pulls/4/files |
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| selk | (Final patch) Can you take a look? |
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| selk | New PR created for tdelibs... |
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| jlturriff | How
would one import an existing set of software source into
kDevelop? The Project menu has a way to import a project, but
not individual files? |
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| denk | SlavekB: ping, I'm building tdevelop and it has an error with a build env variable: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_base/tdevelop/debian/rules#L78 |
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| denk | it should be TQTDIR otherwise cmake said that QTDIR is not used |
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| denk | also it does not build some component with docs |
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| SlavekB | On master branch is valid TQTDIR, on r14.0.x branch is valid QTDIR. |
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| denk | well, that is what I just saw |
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| SlavekB | This seems to need to be fixed in the deb packaging on the master branch. |
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| denk | a quote from my logs: https://paste.dilos.org/?f744afb9fdd79888#vmjh2Ejr2cz+COIv60c8O6B81bmtjGGZ6Khcom+8Wzg= |
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| SlavekB | This is in case of build for master branch? |
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| denk | yep, 14.1.0 |
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| PICCORO | it's there the mail list active today? |
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| SlavekB | There
is a problem with the availability of DNS servers for
pearsoncomuting.net where the mailing lists are located. Therefore,
several hours are unavailable. |
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| PICCORO | ummm SlavekB what the TDE need to sove that situation? |
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| PICCORO | a backup DNS that resolve an server that na mes? |
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| SlavekB | I'm trying to contact Tim, who's the only one who can handle it. |
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| PICCORO | maybe the problem are that there¿'s only one DNS server right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it seems that this is only a problem with dns servers. |
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| PICCORO | ok
seems i can provide some helop with that.. but i have another
question.. if mail list are not available so (of course i can solve it
with input in a local dns that and that's all) how can people contact
for suggestions and questions? (please dont tell me irc.. that's are for
more advanced users like us) |
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| SlavekB | I hope that the problem with mailing lists will be resolved in the foreseeable future. |
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| SlavekB | Because mailing lists are the easiest way for such things. |
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| PICCORO | ok SlavekB and menatime what? irc only? what about gitea issues ? |
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| SlavekB | Of course, Gitea issues are a very good choice for reporting problems or suggestions for improvement. |
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| PICCORO | my
only great question are: there's one that know something about
integration with at-spi layer and orca reader or something about for
blind persons? as i remenber from old days of kde 3.X only gnome have
that feature very important! |
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| SlavekB | I'm afraid we currently have only text-to-speech, but for other components it's not ready now. |
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| selk | Hi everyone :) |
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| _Chris_ | Hello Selk. :-) |
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| selk | _Chris_: Thanks for your words |
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| selk | I am going to work on a code for TDE... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm? |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. (Y) |
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| selk | Your words on the PR comment |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I forgot about already. :-P |
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| selk | It's okay, all good in your side? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, like always and you? |
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| selk | Just great |
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| _Chris_ | It's
interesting you are still finding things left with LibreSSL and Musl.
Last stand was that this should be more or less done. But nice. |
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| selk | Thx |
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| selk | Question, "check_function_exists" is an internal function coming from CMake to check system functions, right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, check_function_exists is one from standard CMake checks. |
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| selk | Hi SlavekB |
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| selk | I have a doubt |
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| selk | I am preparing a change for tdelibs (to be compatible with Musl) |
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| selk | There are non-standard functions used in kjs/operations.cpp: _isnan, _isinf, _finite |
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| selk | The isnan, isinf, finite functions are really macros accorded to the C99 standard |
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| selk | Considering that those are already macros |
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| selk | I should remove the detection from the build system, too? |
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| selk | Those macros coming from the BS |
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| selk | Or |
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| selk | I can remove those non-standard names and just let the correct ones for 'isnan', 'isinf', 'finite' |
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| selk | I don't know (if you guys) wants to detect if isnan, isinf, finite are available early (from the build system) |
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| selk | Then the BS will report if such "functions" are available or not, I guess. |
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| selk | Well.. |
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| selk | I
think it is safe to remove the detection from the build system.
regardless of whether they're macros or functions (the standard requires
macros and they will be macros in any system from the past 20 years)
even if they were functions we use them exactly the same way, by
including math.h and using them by name |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
Maybe it would be better you just create some PR, so discussion can
take place based on the changes you want to make. So there can be some
thinking about and so. If that is not too complicated for you. :-) |
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| selk | Okay, only I was making the changes and I didn't decide to remove this from the building system side, now I'm going to do the PR |
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| selk | Sorry for the noise |
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| _Chris_ | From your arguments, I see your points. Might be logical to do what you suggested, but maybe there is a reason to preserve that. |
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| _Chris_ | All good. (Y) |
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| selk | Ehm? I don't see the Pull Request button |
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| selk | There is a limit on it? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Three in a week. |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you are not logged in anymore? |
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| selk | Err.. you are right. I am not logged =p |
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| _Chris_ | That happened to me many times. :-) |
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| selk | Weird, I have the auto-login enabled... |
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| selk | hehe |
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| _Chris_ | Me too. But magic can happy to any time. |
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| selk | Okay, done. https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/pulls/66 |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can add to that PR a summary of what you wrote here. |
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| _Chris_ | So your point about beeing macros for the past 20 years and so on. |
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| selk | This is because I found a comment on the configure.in file at kjfs/ directory: |
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| selk | dnl The C99 standard says that isinf and isnan are macros, but they might |
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| selk | + |
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| selk | dnl be functions on some platforms. |
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| selk | "The C99 standard says that isinf and isnan are macros, but they might be functions on some platforms." |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I noticed that too when quickly looking over that. |
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| selk | The PR assumes that we will be in the safe side |
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| selk | If not, I can change it to have the detection of isnan, isinf at the build system point |
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| selk | Then the BS could report if those are available or not |
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| _Chris_ | Sounds good, but maybe not needed. Let's see what Slavek thinks, when he has time. |
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| selk | Of course :-) |
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| selk | <selk> The PR assumes that we will be in the safe side <- Note: "we" in general, glibc/musl/... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that I got. (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Also:
You can also edit your PR comment, to add something. But doing some new
comment makes sense maybe to get more attention. Now you can let it
that way. |
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| selk | _Chris_: Done, let me know if it is clear... |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| PICCORO | selk: not all the TDE are compile-able for alpine linux ? (muslc) |
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| selk | PICCORO: Not yet, but we are working to do that |
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| selk | (Just in case, I don't belong to the Alpine team) |
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| selk | This is to have the support for any musl-based system |
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| selk | and to complement the support for LibreSSL, if needed. |
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| PICCORO | i currently setup a alpine base system and try to build.. what parts are build-able? |
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| PICCORO | selk
and what parts need to be complete? ah i can fix the problem of the DNS
for mail list.. in some days can provide some entries |
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| SlavekB | dns for pearsoncomputing.net are up and running |
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| SlavekB | so mailing lists can be used |
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| PICCORO | SlavekB: i can provide at the weekend a second dns entry for that problems.. if all of you need |
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| SlavekB | Thank
you, for now it's not needed. Tim managed to solve the problem with his
dns. And I have to devote more effort to migrating mailing lists to a
new server... |
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| PICCORO | oh in that case i not have servers for storage.. 6_6 |
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| selk | PICCORO:
I don't have a list of what needs to be completed. Rather,
I've started from the basic requirements and am looking at what it
compiles and what it doesn't (and why: if this is related to libressl or
related to musl). |
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| selk | Starting
from the basic requeriments is up to tdelibs, beyond that I haven't
tried because every component is needed to continue with the next TDE
component |
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| selk | Right now is "up to" if you apply the patches (available from git) to compile arts, tqca-tls |
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| selk | See https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Basic_Building_Requirements |
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| selk | (I am following the Suggested Build Order) |
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| selk | I have all the other essential tools to compile here in Dragora |
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| selk | Well.. I will be back soon |
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| selk | If in doubt, write :-) |
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| PICCORO | ok
selk i curently make the same.. try to complie it all the parts .. if i
find some problems i post first here and at mail list and later if need
as an issue to git |
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| selk | PICCORO: Yeah |
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| selk | Hi SlavekB. Thanks for testing the PR for tdelibs in Debian and FreeBSD |
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| selk | A new issue has been discovered after proceeding with this patch for compiling tdelibs |
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| selk | I've created a new PR for tdelibs. |
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| selk | After applying the (PR) patches, the compilation of tdelibs has passed. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | =D |
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| selk | Later, I will check if tdebase can be compiled under musl... |
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| selk | If so, I will be able to run TDE here :-) |
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| SlavekB | Selk, please, can you rebase TDE/tdelibs#67 to current HEAD? |
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| selk | SlavekB: Yes.. what I need to do? I have to get the latest changes via git pull ? |
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| selk | Note that #67 is in a new branch... |
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| selk | and it only affects to one file |
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| selk | Done. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: any suggestions http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::16631 ? |
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| a-865 | or anyone? |
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| SlavekB | a-865 I hope you don't have kgtk-qt3-trinity installed? |
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| a-865 | I
only did dist-upgrade, so started over using do-release-upgrade; I
imaging the normal dist-upgrade method isn't designed to get off of
upstart |
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| a-865 | I
only did dist-upgrade, so started over using do-release-upgrade; I
imagine the normal dist-upgrade method isn't designed to get off of
upstart |
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| a-865 | SlavekB:
kgtk-qt3-trinity is not installed on the second try, but
/etc/init.d/tdm does not exist, and /etc/init.d/tdm-trinity symlinks to
non-existent /lib/init/upstart-job |
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| selk | Wow, tdelibs installed is 84M... |
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| selk | Hi everybody |
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| selk | Welcome back, _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | Thanks. ;-) |
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| selk | How are the translations going? |
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| _Chris_ | Not
very much at the moment. There is much to mainstream in my todo list
still. But at the moment I dedicate my efforts a bit more to the Gentoo
overlay. But German for the TDE base components should be in a good
state now, after a lot of review and fixing. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | You was ES, was that right? |
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| selk | Yeah, I've seen lot of commits for the German translation |
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| selk | As soon as I can, I'll try to pick up the translation for ES |
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| _Chris_ | The
good about Weblate is, that you get a lot what get wrong back in the
KDE3 past. For example, alone in German for one word/name of some item
there were often 5 different translations, in the same component! |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that would be very nice. But I think that is good after you got TDE
working, so it makes more fun, to see your results and review them and
so. |
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| selk | wow |
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| _Chris_ | The
commits are mostly *.desktop files, you can't translate with Weblate at
the moment. So if I do mainstream changes for deciding to use one
translation for one thing/word, I mainstream these all also in desktop
files, to get some consistent look and feel. Getting some overview is
not as easy at first, but you will get used to that and maybe you will
find some of that adventures in ES too.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But
that shows how much potential KDE people trashed back then with KDE3
and how much better TDE is getting now, finding and fixing all that
little things and polish them. |
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| selk | Yeah, it is just getting great! |
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| _Chris_ | It's
very good to have people to help all in all different areas. For
example, all that CMake conversion work Greg is doing, me and E. can
base on for Gentoo and such things. And also your LibreSSL and Musl
efforts too, all comes togheter at some point.. |
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| selk | Now I'm about to see about building tdebase |
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| _Chris_ | And Slovak and Russian translators are attracted to Weblate now too. :-) |
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| selk | Good good |
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| _Chris_ | Good luck with tdebase. (Y) |
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| selk | Thanks, I will check if build under libressl+musl... |
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| selk | Right now I've reduced the size of tdelibs |
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| selk | By stripping the libraries, from 84M to 82M |
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| selk | its libraries. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. Always good to see efforts in that area. |
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| selk | I'll see if I can fit TDE on a CD (700MB is the limit) |
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| _Chris_ | That would be nice. Since how long you are doing Dragora, by the way? |
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| selk | I started in 2007 |
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| _Chris_ | Wow. That's very long. |
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| selk | It is. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Because,
I maybe wrote about, a lot of years ago, I came over it, seeing your
name in the commits. Must be nearly 6 years or so. But look how small
the world is. Never thought to met you here. |
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| selk | Thanks, I see life as a surprise. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| selk | Sometimes surprises are bad and sometimes good, like this case. ;-) |
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| selk | *last case (good) |
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| selk | _Chris_: A surprise for me is that I want to know more about C and C++ (after trying to contribute to the TDE project :-) |
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| selk | I hope I can help with other things, too. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | Hum? On tdebase it says: |
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| selk | -- Build files have been written to: /usr/src/qi/build/tdebase-trinity-14.0.7/BUILD |
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| selk | make: *** No rule to make target 'install'. Stop. |
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| selk | `make' does nothing. |
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| selk | Weird. Recently, I've compiled tdelibs... |
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| selk | I will download the source for tdebase again, just in case |
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| selk | No luck. |
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| selk | Running `make' on the output build directory, does nothing... |
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| selk | How to proceed? |
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| selk | Okay; it looks like it needs to pass -Doptions (more options for the build system) |
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| selk | The only option which is ON is PCRE |
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| selk | But does not seem enough to proceed with the construction... |
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| selk | That's what I mean. |
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| _Chris_ | Try to build with -DBUILD_ALL=ON. |
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| _Chris_ | And try to look what you need. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/CMakeLists.txt |
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| selk | Yes, that's exactly what I am doing |
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| selk | -DWITH_ALL_OPTIONS=ON |
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| selk | Then pass -DWITH...=OFF to what I don't have available. |
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| selk | -DBUILD_ALL=ON is equivalent to -DWITH_ALL_OPTIONS ? |
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| selk | *-DBUILD_ALL |
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| _Chris_ | I just wanted to say. Just read again :-) |
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| selk | Building TDE carefully needs attention. |
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| _Chris_ | No, look at the CMakeLists file. There is a difference. |
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| selk | But that's the idea. ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | option( WITH_XFIXES "Enable xfixes support" ${WITH_ALL_OPTIONS} ) |
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| _Chris_ | So triggered by -DWITH_ALL_OPTIONS. |
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| selk | _Chris_: BTW, where you put the config files, at /etc, or at /etc/trinity ? |
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| _Chris_ | But, https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Preparing_the_Source -> Look at the CMake Build part -> -DBUILD_ALL=ON is written there too. :-) |
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| selk | Wow, I didn't see that. Thanks |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/trinity/14/etc/" - But you have to decide how you want to handle that in your distribution. |
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| selk | I set up for /opt/trinity |
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| selk | But the config files can live on /etc or /etc/trinity |
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| _Chris_ | The
thing is - In Gentoo TDE is some unwanted baby - So the idea is to
handle it special, because upstream don't want it. But as you are
working on your own distribution. I mean in Debian it is handled that
way too. |
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| selk | In /usr |
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| selk | I prefer /opt/trinity |
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| _Chris_ | No, opt is fine too. |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe it makes sense to have all in one place /opt/trinity. |
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| selk | Probably, I will use /etc/trinity for the config files |
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| selk | and expand the XDG path to look at /etc/trinity/xdg |
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| _Chris_ | How you like. (Y) |
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| selk | Or perhaps, /opt/etc |
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| selk | I have to check if /opt/etc is part of the FHS standard |
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| _Chris_ | "/etc/opt" - Configuration files for add-on packages that are stored in /opt. |
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| _Chris_ | And if you ask me.. /opt/trinity/etc or /etc/trinity. |
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| _Chris_ | You can learn a bit from: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/_base |
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| _Chris_ | Just try to research and look over the files and you can take them as some kind of orientation. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/_base/tdebase/debian/rules |
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| _Chris_ | For example. |
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| selk | Thanks _Chris_! |
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| _Chris_ | That is well tested by Slavek. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe something like that should be added to the building page. |
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| selk | I am using -DBUILD_ALL=ON (to build all the modules) and -DWITH_ALL_OPTIONS=ON for put ON all the options |
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| selk | Then I disable what I don't have with -DWITH...=OFF ... |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: Debian uses -DCONFIG_INSTALL_DIR="/etc/trinity". |
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| _Chris_ | So if you following that, you should use that too. |
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| selk | _Chris_: I will use the same, thanks _Chris_ |
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| selk | BTW, I recompiled tdelibs with the "method" mentioned above |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | and the installation size is at 80M |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | From 84M -> 82M -> 80M now |
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| selk | Maybe is the GCC visilibity, I don't know |
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| selk | (It was turned ON this time) |
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| selk | with -DWITH_ALL_OPTIONS .... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, just do it for all then. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh and you use tdehwlib for all and not HAL. Just you look at that. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I forgot you are building stable, right? So better to use that: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/_base?h=r14.0.x |
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| selk | Cool |
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| selk | I should pass OFF to HAL? |
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| selk | I don't have it, but there are no errors reported from the BS. |
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| _Chris_ | I would do that - Because you can do all with tdehwlib or better. Do you ship HAL still with Dragora? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so why build support for it in if you don't ship the HAL deamon anyway. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | In fact: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/_base/tdebase/debian/rules#n54 |
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| selk | _Chris_: Sorry for the delay |
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| selk | HAL, no. Udevil |
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| selk | and dbus, of course. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
in the master branch at the moment building with tdehwlib tdelibs will
end up in probing for udevil, pmount, udisks and use what is installed.
But in the stable branch, you have at least for tdelibs options to build
with pmount, udevil or udisks. But tdebase should have HAL support
still in tdebase, which can be disabled. |
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| selk | _Chris_: It looks like tdebase needs libtirpc (or the rpc/rpc.h header from glibc) and there is no way to turn it off |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, from glibc it was removed some time ago, from what I know. Now libtirpc is needed, for the tdeioslaves. |
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| selk | Okay |
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| _Chris_ | selk: You can try to -DBUILD_TDEIOSLAVES=OFF |
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| selk | Yes.. |
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| _Chris_ | But, yes. That is needed for the NFS tdeioslave. |
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| _Chris_ | And with sasl or samba there is.. WITH_SASL - affects tdeioslaves(tdeio_ldap tdeio_smtp tdeio_pop3) -> But not for NFS. |
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| selk | Seems to work, now it complains about htgid |
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| selk | htdig |
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| _Chris_ | Now, I think that you can offer. Or was there anything with it.. Hm. |
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| selk | I will check the dependencies for build htdig, thanks _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | _Chris_: One more question, which versio of htdig do you have in your system? |
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| _Chris_ | 3.2.0. |
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| _Chris_ | -beta6. ;-) |
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| selk | https://github.com/solbu/hldig |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, just noticed the original htdig homepage is advertising some special seeds now.. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful, selk. That cries for some special overlay ebuild. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Let me know if that works. |
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| selk | Please test it and let me know if works with tdebase to see if I can add this particular version... |
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| selk | Note this is called hldig (hLdig) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I noticed that. But I will not test that now. Next days or so. I would
better use the original htdig now for buildfing TDE further and then
improve and test other things. |
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| selk | No matters, I will test this version anyway |
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| selk | I think it can work |
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| selk | 3.2.0 is from 2004... |
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| _Chris_ | Might be the case. Would be very interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that migh explain why the homepage isn't pointing to the original content anymore.. :-) |
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| selk | Where it points? |
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| _Chris_ | As I said, they are selling now special seeds.. |
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| _Chris_ | ;-) |
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| selk | Ha! |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| selk | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ht-//Dig |
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| selk | The sourceforge page of htdig works |
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| _Chris_ | No, I mean the org domain, but please don't paste it here. Not related anyway. |
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| selk | But does not point to the source |
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| selk | http://htdig.sourceforge.net/ |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that page is still existing. |
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| selk | It is building (hldig)... |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | damn |
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| selk | lot of warnings from the BS |
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| selk | ending in errors |
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| _Chris_ | https://data.gpo.zugaina.org/gentoo/www-misc/htdig/files/ |
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| _Chris_ | Have fun and maybe you find something useful. |
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| selk | Thanks, I see some patches for musl, too |
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| selk | I am seeing if I can submitted a patch for hLdig |
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| selk | *submit |
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| selk | _Chris_: That patch for musl would be useful even in this version (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | See, good to know that. :-) |
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| selk | _Chris_: https://github.com/solbu/hldig/pull/143 |
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| selk | Now I need to adjust the other patch for musl |
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| _Chris_ | Very nice, Selk. You can just check all of that patches and if hldig works with TDE, I can use that in Gentoo too for TDE. |
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| selk | I will let you know, once I get these patches for hldig... |
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| selk | Yes, now it builds ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | _Chris_:
I've made a new commit containing this change for musl, but for some
reason I don't see why I can't create a separated PR... |
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| selk | When I click on Pull Request I don't see the button to create the PR for this particular commit... |
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| _Chris_ | What repo and what branch? |
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| selk | Ah |
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| selk | It was already included here (it seems): https://github.com/solbu/hldig/pull/143 |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, you mean on GH. |
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| _Chris_ | To be honest, I have never.. used GH. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But your commits looks up. |
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| _Chris_ | You seems to have used the same branch. |
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| selk | Me too, I only created an account for this cases. |
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| selk | Yes, the master. |
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| _Chris_ | You can do that in TGW too the same way. But often it's better to squash commits to one bigger. |
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| selk | I remember |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes. GH is working with forkes, not branches for PRs. |
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| _Chris_ | You don't need that in TDE, because you are in the contributor team. :-) |
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| selk | Glad to be there :-) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | I will let if hldig works with tdebase in a moment... |
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| selk | i will know |
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| _Chris_ | That would be very good. |
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| selk | There is a problem |
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| selk | tdebase BS is trying to find the "htsearch" binary |
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| selk | But it does not exist in hldig... |
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| selk | I have to check if it is part of an option included on hldig... |
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| selk | _Chris_: Can you check the file type of "htsearch" and its manpage? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I think there was something about that. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/119 |
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| selk | Wow |
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| selk | The binary or the executable does not exist as it (in Debian), but it provides a manpage: htsearch.1 |
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| selk | " |
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| _Chris_ | https://gpo.zugaina.org/AJAX/Ebuild/31044489/View |
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| selk | Htsearch is used to sift
through the databases created by htdig for
content. It is the actual search engine of the htdig search
system. It is a CGI program that is expected to be invoked by an HTML
form. It will accept both the GET and POST methods of |
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| selk | passing data to the CGI program. |
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| selk | Hmm, where it is... |
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| _Chris_ | https://bugs.gentoo.org/62087 |
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| selk | It does not exist in hLdig |
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| _Chris_ | Not? |
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| selk | # find . -name 'htsearch*' |
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| selk | ./libhtdig/htsearch.h |
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| selk | (from the source) |
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| selk | Even from the package installation, does not appear. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, just re-read the issue. |
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| selk | ok.. |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, okay, so just continue at first with the original htdig and the patches. |
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| selk | Holy.. rename! |
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| selk | The CGI-script is called "hlsearch" |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, that.. is logical. |
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| _Chris_ | Good one. |
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| selk | >find . -name 'hlsearch*' |
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| selk | ./usr/share/man/man1/hlsearch.1 |
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| selk | ./usr/share/hldig/cgi-bin/hlsearch |
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| selk | I need to provide the symlink |
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| selk | Well, I'll take a break (to eat something) and come back with this stuff. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | We should maybe offer some twitch live stream or so - "Fun with building TDE". :-) |
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| selk | Ha!, how? |
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| selk | (I've added a comment for the tdebase issue #119) |
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| _Chris_ | Don't ask me. I am not into that. But if someone has fun about.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Very good. I had the idea to suggest you that. |
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| selk | ;-) |
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| selk | _Chris_: tdebase is compiling (against hldig). |
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| * selk crossing fingers... |
| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | If that works I will adopt to use that in Gentoo too. :-) |
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| selk | 29% |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| selk | 41% and error |
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| selk | It looks like I have an installation problem with dbus-1-tqt |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. So try it further with htdig. We can look later for hldig. |
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| selk | Yep |
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| selk | _Chris_: You are installing dbus-tqt under the path of tqt? |
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| _Chris_ | In /usr/ directly. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/lib/libdbus-1-tqt.so.0" |
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| _Chris_ | "/usr/tqt3/" |
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| selk | and tqt is under /opt ... ? |
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| selk | oh |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, for you it would be /opt/ maybe.. |
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| _Chris_ | Because you know, I install TDE under /usr/trinity anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | But, let me some second. |
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| selk | I have everything pointing to /opt/trinity, except tqtinterface at /usr |
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| selk | "/bin/ld:
warning: libdbus-1-tqt.so.0, needed by
/opt/trinity/lib64/libtdecore.so.14, not found (try using -rpath or
-rpath-link)" |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tde-packaging/tree/debian/_base/dependencies/dbus-1-tqt/debian |
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| _Chris_ | Seems Debian has it in /usr/ too, but TDE in /opt/. |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, tqtinterface in /usr/ too, sure. |
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| selk | and dbus-1-tqt? |
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| selk | There are two sources, dbus-tqt and dbus-1-tqt |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the former is.. I just was knowing that before. I think the second was backported some kind of from Qt4. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes - Backported Qt4 DBUS bindings for TQt. |
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| _Chris_ | Original DBUS bindings for TQt - dbus-tqt. |
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| selk | Having both are redudant? |
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| _Chris_ | You will need both. |
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| selk | Okay, I have both pointing to /opt/trinity |
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| selk | Don't worry, I will check the recipes |
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| _Chris_ | Just wanted to suggest that to you. (Y) |
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| selk | _Chris_: I checked and both are fine |
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| selk | I fixed it by changing the path of tqtinterface from /usr to /opt/trinity |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, okay. (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | So all belongs now to /op/trinity? |
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| selk | Yes |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | I will try changing it to /usr again |
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| selk | because I added this time the option -DQT_VERSION=3 |
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| selk | maybe that does the trick. |
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| selk | hmm |
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| selk | "
Until the cmake migration is fully completed, tqtinterface should be
built to install with a $PREFIX of /usr rather than /opt/trinity, even
if you are installing everything else to /opt/trinity." |
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| selk | The migration for tqtinterface is now complete, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but.. I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, DQT_VERSION=3 is needed for stable branch from what I know. |
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| selk | I will let it configured for /opt/trinity |
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| selk | since it is building with cmake and newer versions of TDE will look for cmake... |
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| selk | It has sense. |
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| _Chris_ | Just try it. If it works, it is fine. |
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| selk | Well, new small errors have emerged while building tdebase, related to musl, surely. |
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| selk | I'll be checking tomorrow and if I can send the PRs. |
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| _Chris_ | You know, they are like Pokemon. You need to catch them all. :-) |
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| selk | Haha, yeah. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | Good night o/ |
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| _Chris_ | Have a goog sleep. |
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| selk | Thx. Happy hacking! |
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| Muhammad | Firefox
won't launch, it says Gtk-ERROR **: 19:50:02.537: GTK+ 2.x symbols
detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported |
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| Muhammad | So
the other day I installed some Qt + Gtk theme unifier or some like that
that I found in the reps, probably the cause, I removed 'em and firefox
still won't launch |
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| Muhammad | Any ideas? I have work to do and I need my firefox |
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| SlavekB | Muhammad: Please uninstall (purge) the kgtk-qt3-trinity package. |
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| Muhammad | I think I already did that, let me check |
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| Muhammad | Yeah I forgot this one, Firefox is working now |
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| Muhammad | Thanks |
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| Muhammad | You're a walking encyclopedia |
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| SlavekB | :d |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| selk | Hi guys!, new PRs created for tdebase.. :-) |
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| Muhammad | And PRs stands for what exactly? |
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| _Chris_ | selk: Nice. Keep up your efforts. (Y) |
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| Muhammad | Any one wanna say? |
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| _Chris_ | Pull-Requests. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Contribution to TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
Maybe.. it would be better to add the error message just to the PR and
not to the commit. Okay, it is maybe useful to see what it was about,
but.. I don't know. Something I noticed in the commit overview last
time. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, maybe forget about. It can be handy. |
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| selk | I
thought adding it to the commit was better, since it describes the
commit in case someone finds it, if someone finds the Pull Request
first, the description will be there for both forms of a possible
search. |
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| selk | For example, if someone clicks on the [view] commit via website (http://www.trinitydesktop.org/patches/)... |
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| selk | Likewise, I have no problem adding it to the description of the Pull Request. As you prefer :-) |
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| _Chris_ | No, forget about. Yes, I think that way too often. |
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| selk | _Chris_: I have a directory in the tdebase package which is in the wrong place |
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| selk | The directory is /integration and it contains some libraries related to KDE. |
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| selk | How to change this location? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, I really don't know. |
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| SlavekB | The files for TQt <=> TDE integration are installed in the TQt plugin directory. |
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| SlavekB | So this is not a bug when installed elsewhere than the other tdebase libraries. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I just came to that too, that it might be related to that integration files.. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/CMakeLists.txt#L190 |
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| selk | SlavekB: It looks like I am missing some build options in tqtinterface? |
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| selk | uhm, maybe not |
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| SlavekB | The directory for TQt plugins is specified in TQt3. |
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| selk | Thx, I will check. |
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| selk | via -plugindir ? |
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| SlavekB | Selk, yes, wia -plugindir. This value is then detectable by the TQt3 pkg config file. |
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| selk | SlavekB: I need to declare this option, then. Thanks. :-) |
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| selk | Wow... |
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| selk | I've used -plugindir but /integration is still there from tdebase |
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| selk | I will recompile the whole TDE, just in case |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/commit/66b6ab6574fff507700a32f891c8754ceec30375 |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it will help if you look a bit closer. :-) |
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| selk | Sure! |
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| selk | I discover the problem |
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| selk | I have some symlinks creations doing it wrong. |
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| a-865 | why in Stretch would apt autoremove want to remove all of trinity 14.0.7? |
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| pitriss | a-865:
Not sure. I prefer to not touch that feature of apt..:) It can do huge
mess in the system sometimes.. I learned that hard way:) |
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| PICCORO | pitriss: a-865 this are due trinity packages are not listed as official original repos and install manually.. |
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| SlavekB | apt autoremove does not have such a consequence depending on the source. |
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| SlavekB | What matters is whether packages are marked as installed automatically or manually selected. |
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| PICCORO | apt autoremove also removes thos "not used" trinity are marked in tree ways: manually installed, not used and thirth party repos |
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| SlavekB | I use apt-get authorove quite commonly and it never tried to uninstall anything from Trinity that I selected manually. |
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| a-865 | Maybe
instead of aptitude install tde-trinity I did apt install tde-trinity?
Usually I don't do the meta-package at all. Usually I only install
tdebase-trinity and tdebase-tdm. |
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| SlavekB | I also always install individual packages, not meta-packages. |
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| selk | For _Chris_ https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/119 |
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| _Chris_ | selk: Wonderful. Seems we can use that in Gentoo than too later. Good research, selk! :-) |
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| selk | Please
put me on the link when you do. I'd like to let the hldig
maintainer know that this fork is being incorporated. |
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| selk | I'll do the same from here, I've already uploaded the recipe. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I will let you know. :-) |
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| selk | uploaded/committed. |
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| selk | Note: I haven't checked the other patches in htdig from Gentoo... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I just wanted to ask about. |
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| selk | I haven't had time to check |
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| _Chris_ | But might be the case they are included anyway, because most of them just were newer GCC patches. |
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| selk | (I still have a few things to adjust in the construction of TDE) |
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| selk | _Chris_: Surely... |
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| selk | Uhm? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Qt-Going-More-Commercial |
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| _Chris_ | Wonders me not. Got we are not linked anymore to these.. |
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| _Chris_ | *Good |
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| selk | "...
So far The Qt Company is getting widely slammed by these changes over
requiring registration for downloading Qt and that Qt LTS is going
commercial only." |
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| _Chris_ | As
KDE people are now mostly Qt people or what ever way, would not wonder
me if KDE6 will be closed source or something like that. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, joke. |
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| _Chris_ | But
very interesting. A good reason more this plans to migrate TDE to
anything linked to newer Qt versions was never finalized. And good it is
neither linked to GTK3. TQt just works(tm). |
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| selk | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | "simplify distribution and integration with the [Qt] Marketplace." -> :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Selk,
do you plan to build the full TDE with LibreSSL, so also something like
KMobile from tdepim and so? Because the dependencies maybe needs SSL
too and maybe needing patches for LibreSSL too. |
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| _Chris_ | One such a case is "skyutils" - Needed by something which is needed by KMobile. I just try to look if it builds with LibreSSL. |
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| selk | As far as possible, yes, I'm going in pieces. |
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| _Chris_ | But that one is fine. Works with LibreSSL. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | I take note, KMobile from tdepim... |
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| _Chris_ | If you like, selk, you can link that news article again, for Slavek to read. |
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| _Chris_ | He might find that interesting too, if he not already know. |
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| SlavekB | I'll look into the irc log :) |
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| selk | who is SlavekB? ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Is the weblog working again? |
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| SlavekB | Partly. The log is still only on the original Tim's server, however the new web server is now set up to provide it. |
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| _Chris_ | Very good, Slavek. (Y) |
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| selk | Hm |
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| selk | We can improve the message in tdebase to request the libusb version? |
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| selk | I have libusb-1.x, but tdebase seems to require the major version 2. |
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| selk | ./kcontrol/ConfigureChecks.cmake: pkg_search_module( LIBUSB libusb libusb-2.0 ) |
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| selk | ./kcontrol/ConfigureChecks.cmake: tde_message_fatal( "libusb is required, but not found on your system" ) |
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| selk | Probably, libusb should be changed to libusb-1.0 to detect the major version 1. I will check... |
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| selk | s/changed/added/ |
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| _Chris_ | It is always nice someone actually looks over such things, selk. :-) |
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| selk | We need the usb support there after all. ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, if that is wrong or misleading be free to open some PR as always. :-) |
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| selk | it looks like libusb-2.0 is wrong |
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| selk | But I need to change and test this... |
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| _Chris_ | Because.. I might have experienced something like that before too, but I forgot about again and had not fixed it. |
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| selk | _Chris_: Gentoo has libsub-2.0 ? |
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| _Chris_ | I have libusb-1.0.x here. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| SlavekB | libusb-2.0 is on FreeBSD ;) |
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| _Chris_ | No, but something different I don't know about anymore. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| selk | "./kcontrol/usbview/usbdevices.cpp: * libusb20 support by Hans Petter Selasky <hselasky@freebsd.org>" |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| selk | SlavekB: Can you check their libusb-2.0 from where it comes? |
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| _Chris_ | And no, Gentoo isn't having libusb-2.0. |
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| selk | The (build) Makefile, I guess |
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| SlavekB | /usr/libdata/pkgconfig/libusb-2.0.pc :) |
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| selk | I mean, from where they are downloading it... |
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| SlavekB | Because this file is in /usr/libdata/pkgconfig, it is part of the base system. |
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| selk | Here https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/blob/master/lib/libusb/Makefile |
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| SlavekB | When it would be from any port, it would be in /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig. |
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| _Chris_ | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libusb |
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| _Chris_ | You mean that part, selk, right? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/kcontrol/ConfigureChecks.cmake#L50 |
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| _Chris_ | Seems it is just generic to handle all. |
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| selk | Probably the 'libusb' from: |
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| selk | pkg_search_module( LIBUSB libusb libusb-2.0 ) |
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| selk | Should be changed to: pkg_search_module( LIBUSB libusb-1.0 libusb-2.0 ) |
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| selk | To detect the pkg-config file of libusb-1.x in GNU/Linux |
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| selk | If libusb-1.x has already the capabillities for USB 2.0 the code from tdebase will work. |
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| _Chris_ | As far as I know Linux just has that libusb and that works here. |
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| SlavekB | No, list need to be in order that we prefer. |
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| SlavekB | On FreeBSD is pkg-config for libusb-2.0 as well as libusb-1.0, but we want to use libusb-2.0. |
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| selk | Then libusb-2.0 libusb-1.0 ... |
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| selk | Right now the libusb support is not detected, I suspect is because there is no libusb.pc file |
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| SlavekB | No, at first we need libusb, then libusb-2.0 and as thirg libust-1.0. |
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| SlavekB | As you can see, on Debian not exists libusb-2.0 nor libusb-1.0 - here is libusb: |
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| SlavekB | https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libusb-dev/filelist |
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| selk | Okay; to cover all possibilities (including libusb 0.x, libusb 1.x, and libusb 2.x), |
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| SlavekB | If you need to add libusb-1.0 to your system, you should add it to the end of the list. |
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| selk | Something like "libusb libusb-2.0 libusb-1.0" can be added |
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| SlavekB | therwise you will cause unexpected behavior. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, this last variant is correct. |
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| selk | _Chris_: Do you have libusb-2.0 pc in Gentoo? |
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| _Chris_ | libusb-1.0.pc :-) |
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| selk | I wonder why it is detected in Gentoo (if it is detected) having them the libusb-1.x |
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| selk | _Chris_: Could you re-check if the build of tdebase detects libusb ? |
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| selk | <SlavekB>
Yes, this last variant is correct. <- That should does the work for
GNU/Linux distros that do not have libusb-2.0, and also for BSD systems
having 2.0. |
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| selk | I guess :-) |
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| SlavekB | the last variant was: libusb libusb-2.0 libusb-1.0 |
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| SlavekB | this should work for all. |
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| selk | Yeah |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. Just noticed, I never even build with libusb support. But now I will test, selk. |
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| _Chris_ | That comes, because the USE for it was named.. logitech-mouse. |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, usb support is there just to detect some extra mouse features. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, the reason I never activated it. |
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| _Chris_ | And it seems there are no problems here to detect it. |
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| _Chris_ | Funny fact.. |
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| _Chris_ | It seems I just had some old libusb.pc file there, from libusb 0.1.12. |
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| _Chris_ | With removing that it should fail. |
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| _Chris_ | That was from 2012. |
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| _Chris_ | But, works for me with removing that file too. |
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| selk | Check pkgconfig directory... |
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| selk | If you have libusb.pc |
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| selk | or libusb-2.0.pc |
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| _Chris_ | No, selk. |
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| selk | Wow... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I find that also interesting. |
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| selk | Note that some packages installs the pkgconfig at lib and others at share/ |
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| selk | /usr/lib/pkgconfig, /usr/share/pkgconfig ... |
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| selk | Try: pkg-config --path libusb-1.0 |
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| selk | Then change it to libusb, libusb-2.0 |
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| _Chris_ | selk: No, neither of that. Let me check on another machine. |
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| _Chris_ | So,
to report. I found out, that the old libusb-0.1.12 came from some old
overlay I had added in Gentoo. Therefore the old libusb.pc file. That is
because I had without knowing two versions of libusb installed in two
slots. 0 and 1. That sounds like some overlay bug I need to fix. But,
with removing the old libusb lib and just having the libusb-1.0.pc,
KControl builds for me too. |
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| _Chris_ | But just for fun I will remove libusb now fully and try again.. :-) |
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| selk | Sounds good |
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| _Chris_ | You know what? That works too. Without even having libusb installed at all. It's magic. |
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| _Chris_ | At least CMake isn't complaining. |
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| selk | Oh, no |
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| _Chris_ | It's very interesting. |
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| selk | I suspect the following: what happens is that cmake does not complain because of the current options you have to build tdebase |
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| selk | What you can do is have a log, check for "libusb" |
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| selk | a build log, you need the first part (the cmake checks) |
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| _Chris_ | I know about, selk. That is all fine, at least the build fails now as it should. |
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| _Chris_ | It fails, but passes the CMake check. |
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| _Chris_ | And it isn't complaining. |
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| selk | What the build log says about libusb? |
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| selk | "Found" or "not found" ?... |
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| _Chris_ | Nothing, as for xrandr and so, it just passes. So you want to show that it should check for libusb-1.0.pc, right? |
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| selk | Why not |
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| _Chris_ | Let me check something.. :-) |
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| selk | Sure |
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| _Chris_ | For freetype it error out, as expected to do. |
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| _Chris_ | "freetype2 are required, but not found on your system" |
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| selk | Try removing the whole libusb and add -DWITH_LIBUSB=ON to the build system |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, and I just see that needs to be fixed as for the libusb translation. |
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| _Chris_ | I have already removed the whole libusb when doing that. |
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| selk | It don't exit in this case? |
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| _Chris_ | As I said, the build fails too. |
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| _Chris_ | But it passes the CMake check. |
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| selk | But now you discover that it does not exist, right? |
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| selk | *exit |
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| selk | Try with -DWITH_LIBUSB=ON to see if exit with an error |
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| _Chris_ | Summary:
I am building KControl, without any libusb installed at all. It passes
the check, at least there is no problem with it, as exactly for
freetype2, if it is installed, like expected. But the build will fail,
because of missing lib later, as expected. When I do the same with
building without freetype2 to have installed, it errors out by CMake, as
expected. |
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| _Chris_ | I will re-check, maybe the flag is wrong. But.. |
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| selk | I think that is because the libusb is not priority, as SlavekB said, it is to add extra funcionality only |
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| _Chris_ | Right, all fine with that flag. Just to be sure. Also, the check isn't triggered when building without -WITH_LIBUSB, so.. |
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| selk | instead
freetype2 is a required dependency. But if the support of
libusb was requested (-DWITH_LIBUSB=ON) and if libusb is not there, it
should fail, I guess. |
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| selk | fail and exit with an error |
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| _Chris_ | But, it should trigger something, if there is some check, or at least report something.. |
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| selk | Yeah |
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| _Chris_ | The thing is, selk: You are the only one who can trigger that. Maybe someone can try without libusb have installed too. |
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| _Chris_ | Now I have to get freetype back, before something bad happens. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Let me try in some minutes something more. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way.. Just to be sure, what CMake version you use? |
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| selk | The latest 3.16.3 |
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| _Chris_ | 3.14.6. |
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| _Chris_ | If
libusb is requested and tested, it should complain. That is the reason
for that check to have. I don't know what is more interesting, the check
isn't failing for me, or it is failing for you. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried to create that missing *.pc file and try then? |
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| selk | Nope. I can try it in a moment |
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| selk | I am with a problem in the recipe for tqt3 |
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| _Chris_ | What funny if that works for you neither.. |
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| selk | I have some wrong symlinks |
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| _Chris_ | Sad to hear that. |
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| selk | It is not the big deal, but I have to fix it. The rest of TDE won't build, then |
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| _Chris_ | You
know what? There is a difference. I am building from master, but you
from stable. But after all, that should not make any difference at all.
Let me look for. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
further testing that it isn't some black magic by me: tdm with xdmcp
support, but libXdmcp not installed results in proper CMake message
about not having libXdmcp. |
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| _Chris_ | So far libusb is the only check which is buggy for me. |
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| _Chris_ | At
least withoit the very old libusb version I had installed, the CMake
check is not triggered now, yes, but the build fails with not finding
libusb - What is expected and in some way good. |
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| _Chris_ | So it can't find the pc file, for me too, like for you, selk. But in my case the CMake check just is not triggered after all. |
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| selk | I think we have to add the variant(s) to cover all the possible libusb in the pkg_search |
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| selk | Also,
check if it is exitting when the support it is not detected, because in
theory it is enabled with -DWITH_ALL_OPTIONS, right? |
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| selk | _Chris_: I have -DWITH_ALL_OPTIONS and -DWITH_LIBUSB=OFF right now |
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| _Chris_ | I can try also with that, yes. But after all the test is beeing run, but there is just no result. |
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| selk | I still have to check to be accorded with you |
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| selk | Right now, I am building the whole TDE. I think the link issue has been solved (i hope so) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that above is right. So you get all expect that mouse extra functions, what are not really used these days, I think. |
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| _Chris_ | Gentoo
is just offering libusb-1.0.pc too - So yes, if the check would
triggered for me, I would end up like you, selk. So I would welcome some
change here too. After all, that part isn't building here now. |
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| _Chris_ | But Slavek will know after all, if he will read that here. Might be the check is bugged or so too. |
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| _Chris_ | Now I will update my CMake. |
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| _Chris_ | After all, you got me to find another problem with the overlay, selk. Thank you for that. (Y) |
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| selk | _Chris_: Sounds good, don't forget to update libuv, too |
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| selk | You welcome! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Sure. (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Adventures in the TDE land. |
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| _Chris_ | It
seems, when libusb was around 0.x.x, the file was called libusb.pc,
that way it is still in Gentoo, with some very old libusb version.
Starting with libusb-1.x they started to officially name it
libusb-1.0.pc - Prove: https://github.com/libusb/libusb/blob/master/libusb-1.0.pc.in
-> After all, it should be really checked for that file, I think
too. So "libusb libusb-2.0 libusb-1.0" should be fine and I think Slavek
is happy with |
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| _Chris_ | that too. So if you want, you could do some PR, selk? |
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| _Chris_ | The missing check for me I will verify first before complaining. |
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| _Chris_ | Latest CMake isn't changing anything related to that test. Just to be sure. |
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| selk | _Chris_: Sorry for the delay |
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| selk | _Chris_: I can do the PR, if you wish. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that would be nice to have. If something is wrong or to talk about, TGW is a better place than IRC, I think. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And I added typo fixing in CMake files to my todo list now.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | By the way. The new hldig compiles fine here, with latest stable release, without any patch in Gentoo. |
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| selk | Well.. that's because you are under Glibc |
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| _Chris_ | I know, I know. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But, before with htdig, you needed all that patches. |
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| selk | Ah, by latest do you mean the 1.0.2 version? |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| selk | You've downloaded the 1.0.2 from where? or do you clone the repo? |
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| _Chris_ | I want to use the stable releases, we don't have to care about too much changes in hldig too. |
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| _Chris_ | The release file from GH. |
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| selk | Ahh |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | It was not there, previously |
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| selk | It was updated from 3 hours ago |
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| selk | Cool |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it seems to be hot still. |
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| selk | Glad to hear that you don't need the previous patches |
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| _Chris_ | TDE with musl under Gentoo was not tested yet, so I don't care if that works at the moment. |
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| selk | in kcontrol/ConfigureChecks.cmake |
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| selk | the condition for if( LIBUSB_FOUND ) |
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| selk | from where LIBUSB_FOUND comes from? |
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| selk | I don't see other place where it is declared... |
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| selk | Unless you can declare any name with cmake that uses the suffix _FOUND.... |
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| selk | Otherwise, it will be a null value, I guess. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting.. Let me look a bit. |
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| SlavekB | LIBUSB_FOUND is set when pkg_search_module( LIBUSB ... ) is successfull. |
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| selk | SlavekB: and cmake detects this using the suffix _FOUND ? |
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| SlavekB | https://cmake.org/cmake/help/v3.0/module/FindPkgConfig.html |
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| selk | In the case for Freetype2 |
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| SlavekB | <XPREFIX>_FOUND ... set to 1 if module(s) exist |
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| selk | set( HAVE_FREETYPE2 1 CACHE INTERNAL "" FORCE ) is set directly. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, something new learned, thanks SlavekB. |
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| selk | Oops, no. Please ignore it ^ |
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| _Chris_ | Because, I just wanted to write: For other check vars it is the same way. |
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| selk | I like CMake :-) |
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| selk | New Pull Request for tdebase: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/125 |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe,
you can add why you think that is needed, for other people looking at
it. So that the 1.x line of libusb is using that file as default since
some time. |
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| selk | I have to test it, but I trust that it will work |
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| selk | I will know in a moment |
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| selk | I
discover that changing the location for tqinterface from /usr to
/opt/trinity does not work with tqca-tls (which has the ./configure) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes
I know that. I made some very simple changes in the past I thought the
same, but than they were just as simply wrong, they ended up breaking
the master branch.. :-) |
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| selk | tqinterface installs the headers at /opt/trinity/include but tqca-tls seems to expect it under /opt/trinity/lib/tqt3... |
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| selk | I will post fast as I can, I don't pretend to break anything |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, CMake conversion of it seems to be in work by Greg. He is doing some wonderful job with that. |
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| selk | For tqca-tls? |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqca-tls/commits/branch/feat/cmakeConv |
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| _Chris_ | In general, with that CMake work. |
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| selk | Yes! I reconfigured tqtinterface, now it is working |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. (Y) |
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| selk | Now I need to proceed with the rest (including tdebase) |
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| selk | Cool you can check all the recents commits from gitea |
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| selk | Yeah, he is focused in the conversion, very good. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, Greg has a lot of experience with CMake conversions. |
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| selk | I don't know too much about CMake, but I know that it is a good build system. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, TGW is very good. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek is always taking care to have the latest version running. |
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| selk | Time to test the PR for tdebase |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | All the checks have been passed. Now it is building... |
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| selk | The log says: |
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| selk | -- Checking for one of the modules 'libusb;libusb-2.0;libusb-1.0' |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, exactly as mine. That was what I wrote. Nothing with found. |
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| _Chris_ | But, I just found that here too. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/amarok/src/branch/master/amarok/src/mediadevice/ifp/ConfigureChecks.cmake#L25 |
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| _Chris_ | Greg has some open PR about the CMake conversion. Maybe you want to suggest him to mainstream that check with the others. |
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| selk | "# (C) 2010-2011 Serghei Amelian" |
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| selk | That was the time when libusb-0.x was around. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. Initial CMake conversion. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | Nice catch |
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| selk | But what does the usb stuff in amarok? it is related to devices? |
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| _Chris_ | CMake conversion have started a lot of years ago. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it is. I haven't exactly tested it, but some things should still work. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you want to create some other PR to hldig, selk? |
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| selk | What happens? |
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| selk | (I will be back soon, I have to dinner) |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/solbu/hldig/blob/master/configure.ac#L21 -> "AC_CONFIG_HEADERS" and https://github.com/solbu/hldig/blob/master/db/configure.ac#L16 -> "AC_CONFIG_HEADERS". That one is deprecated. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe they want to migrate to CMake or so anyway. I don't know, but if you want, you can let them know about that here. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But
now you see why there was no real care to take old files of the BS up
to date, selk. Because things are migrated to CMake step by step anyway. |
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| selk | Wow.. |
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| selk | The build failed at 12% |
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| selk | It is trying to find the usb.h header... |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | From the kcontrol/input/logitechmouse.h file |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Like me. |
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| _Chris_ | But I thought that was because of the missing pc file anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe, it should be libusb.h now? |
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| selk | If this tries to detect and use libusb, it should use the header from there, I guess |
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| selk | Yes |
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| selk | But we don't know in BSD... |
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| _Chris_ | Just noticed it. Haven't looked at that before, because it was clear it will fail. |
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| selk | How I edit the PR to be "WIP" ? |
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| _Chris_ | You can change the title and add "WIP: Old title". |
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| _Chris_ | And you can add some tag to it, at the right hand side. |
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| selk | Oh, yes. The button is on the right |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | But, as I said. Sometimes changes are too simple and they can fail anyway. :-) |
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| selk | From
the libusb-1.0.pc file "Description: C API for USB device access from
Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, OpenBSD/NetBSD and Solaris userspace" |
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| selk | That could explain why FreeBSD has another version |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I came about that already too. And Solaris support was added the last. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/tree/master/lib/libusb |
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| selk | _Chris_: When you install the libusb-0.x it provides the usb.h header? |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly, selk. |
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| selk | Ah, holy dolly. |
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| _Chris_ | That
was the reason it worked for me all the time. The old overlay I am now
working on had some dependency on that still, so I never noticed it. |
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| selk | Yeah.. |
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| selk | _Chris_: Yep, FreeBSD provides usb.h... |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | And it looks like they have all the headers at the include level (usr/include) |
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| selk | Meanwhile libusb-1.0 puts its headers at /usr/include/libusb-1.0 and it is called "libusb.h" |
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| _Chris_ | Exaxtly, that I wanted to wrote right now too. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can find some concept for that all so it fits for all systems? |
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| selk | I
will test (already tomorrow) if it works with this header directly,
then see how the build system can determine this in a simple way... |
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| selk | Thx for the feedback |
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| _Chris_ | You
can rename your PR to any time and re-push your branch, so you can work
on that PR to find some concept, which not only fixes the pc file
problem, also the header problem. |
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| selk | I'm going to the bed now |
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| _Chris_ | Me too. Have a good sleep. :-) |
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| selk | I
don't know if CMake has a way to call to pkg-config in order to
determine the Cflags field where it points to the correct header
directory |
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| selk | But also we have to think in how to determine the header name... |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it would be good to get in touch with Greg. |
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| selk | Sounds good |
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| _Chris_ | You could write down your findings so far in the PR. |
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| _Chris_ | And ask Greg there if he can assist if CMake work is needed or so. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: Have you tested with hldig? Quick test with rebuild KHelpcenter isn't working for me to create the index. |
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| _Chris_ | Building works, but I mean the practical use. But I will test tomorrow. Was just some quick test so far. |
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| selk | I am close to have TDE running |
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| selk | Not yet |
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| selk | I detected that there are some errors at 72% (build of tdebase) |
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| selk | It is a message about the docs |
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| selk | Probably I don't have X dependency to build the docs, I am not sure |
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| selk | A run-time dependency |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. Yes. |
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| selk | Perhaps I will try if I can disable the docs |
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| selk | My goal for now is to have the basic TDE running, then complete it... |
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| _Chris_ | docbook-xml-dtd and docbook-xsl-stylesheets |
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| selk | I see |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | There is a way to disable the docs via option? |
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| selk | at least for now... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | -DBUILD_DOC=OFF |
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| selk | Cool, thank you! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | I have this http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/dragora.git/tree/recipes/docbook |
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| selk | But complementing the docbook support is part of the TODO. |
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| _Chris_ | Getting the basics to run is fine. Later you can tune. |
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| selk | That's the idea |
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| selk | Good night _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | Good night to you too. |
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| selk | TDE is running \o/ |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Gratulation. Good work, selk. |
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| _Chris_ | Now you can try hldig. :-P |
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| selk | Oops, no. I can't |
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| selk | It crashes |
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| _Chris_ | What is crashing, selk? |
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| selk | The initial screen appears, then I configured the language |
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| selk | Yes, the session manager crashes |
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| selk | It says a message about that there are no backtraces |
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| selk | kcmserver |
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| selk | ksmserver |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, maybe because of building options - For me too, but I prefer to rip all out what belongs to debug.. |
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| _Chris_ | Not the crash - The backtrace. |
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| _Chris_ | So ksplashml is crashing for you? |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes. |
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| _Chris_ | Any special building options? |
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| selk | ksmserver (tde session manager) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| selk | The message was about to receive SIGSEGV |
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| selk | Saying in the backtrace tab that there is no backtraces at all |
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| selk | Probably it is my build options |
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| selk | I see a message now |
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| selk | "The applications was asked to save its documents" |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that's the crashmanager. |
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| _Chris_ | But ksmserver isn't having any special building options which could affect that. |
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| _Chris_ | You can try.. |
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| _Chris_ | To build it without -DWITH_TDEHWLIB. |
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| _Chris_ | So with: -DWITH_TDEHWLIB=OFF |
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| selk | I will try, thanks _Chris_ |
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| _Chris_ | But only ksmserver. |
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| selk | I am testing it under VirtualBox |
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| selk | Probably it is related to it... |
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| _Chris_ | You will figure it out, you are motivated. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I have added some summary to your PR, you might have seen already. |
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| _Chris_ | You don't need to hurry about that. As long as it has WIP, Michele will know about. |
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| selk | Who is Michele? |
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| selk | For now I have to add the xinitrc file to tdebase |
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| selk | But the current 'starttde' file does not work for me |
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| selk | It tries to reveal the real path from where the script resides |
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| selk | reading and following links |
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| selk | and Dragora installs its package in an own hierarchy |
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| selk | each package has its own directory |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
you don't know Michele, because he isn't in the IRC often. He is like
Slavek and also keeps care about PR's most of the time. So some kind of
QA. |
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| selk | Thus, tdebase installation is at /usr/pkg/tdebase-14.0.7-x86_64+1/ |
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| _Chris_ | That
sounds a bit complicated. But you have to you about your distribution.
So you might have to puzzle that out yourself. You will get that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *know |
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| selk | Yes, I solved this removing the readlink -f |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | _Chris_: What happens if TDEHWLIB is turned OFF? |
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| _Chris_ | There
are two backends for hardware magic: There is the old one "HAL" (now
used only for BSD* mostly and preserved for that reason) and TDEHWLIB,
which is some replacement. In ksmserver it handles some things like
suspend, shutdown and so on. But it does also things in other areas. In
tdelibs it should be enabled. |
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| _Chris_ | *in some other packages. |
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| selk | Probably I need the daemon for udevil |
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| _Chris_ | Like
in the master branch, if you build kcontrol with TDEHWLIB, you will get
some device monitor for the systray. And in the master branch only some
hwmanager in kcontrol. |
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| selk | It must be running before to run TDE... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
TDEHWLIB can use pmount, udevil or pmount, that are building options in
stable. So you can build also without udisks support. |
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| _Chris_ | If all is build in, it will check for udisks, udevil and the last is pmount. That should be the right order. |
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| _Chris_ | I am using just pmount here, because I am conservative. :-) |
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| selk | Okay; right now I am rebuilding with -DWITH_TDEHWLIB=OFF |
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| selk | haha |
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| _Chris_ | And the consolekit, devkit, logind and so support is only used for giving TDEHWLIB magic to get things known or done. |
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| selk | http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/dragora.git/plain/recipes/tde/tdebase/recipe |
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| selk | I have these options ^ |
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| _Chris_ | Let me see. |
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| selk | I removed the lines to strip this time, to see the backtraces |
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| _Chris_ | Nothing special from the flags. Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | But yes, that stripping might be not good to debug. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I just noticed building absolutely no tdeioslave could be bad too.. |
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| selk | For tdeioslave I have to add libtirpc and krb5 |
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| _Chris_ | I mean, after all that affects also trash, media and all that too you lack then.. |
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| selk | Ouch |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, maybe you can work on that and try again. Sorry, I just came about that now. But try it first with backtrace maybe. |
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| selk | Yeah, thanks. |
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| selk | Try 2 is almost ready. |
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| _Chris_ | I would like to see the NFS tdeioslave beeing optionally. Maybe something for the future. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/tdeioslave |
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| _Chris_ | That all you are lacking at the moment. So that is bad anyway. |
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| selk | I see |
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| _Chris_ | You could try to delete the nfs subfolder and remove it from the CMakeLists. |
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| _Chris_ | And build then.. |
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| selk | It is crashing, again |
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| selk | and the window does not have any Window Decoration |
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| selk | No borders or title |
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| _Chris_ | So no twin. |
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| _Chris_ | No windowmanager. |
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| selk | Exactly |
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| _Chris_ | Try to build with tdeioslaves. I don't know if that will change something, but you have to work on that anyway, right? |
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| selk | it won't build |
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| selk | It requires libtirpc |
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| selk | I mean, the rpc/rpc.h header (provided by Glibc) |
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| selk | Or externally, libtirpc |
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| selk | and libtirpc requires kerberos 5 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. Glibc ones is removed since recent. |
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| selk | I didn't know |
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| selk | Then, libtirpc |
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| selk | About building docs |
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| _Chris_ | It needs kerberos? |
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| selk | Those are docs in reference to the development? |
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| selk | Or those are docs for the user, like to press F1 for the help? |
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| _Chris_ | You can build it without kerberos support. |
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| selk | _Chris_: Sure? I haven't tried |
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| _Chris_ | No, that are the real docs. |
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| _Chris_ | So KHelpcenter. |
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| selk | Ah, ok |
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| _Chris_ | And yes, I wouldn't use it if it would pull in kerberos. |
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| _Chris_ | https://gpo.zugaina.org/AJAX/Ebuild/45674771/View |
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| _Chris_ | It's optional. |
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| _Chris_ | But I wasn't knowing about that so far. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Because I never build with support for it. |
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| selk | Tomorrow I will try to build libtirpc without the krb5 support |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| selk | So far, I've been able to run starttde :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, some step further. :-) |
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| selk | The initial dialogs looks clean and polished |
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| selk | So excited :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful.
But as said, ES translation might be a bit outdated and slightly mixed
with English. But you can fix that if you are motivated in Weblate step
by step. |
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| selk | Yes, I need to find the time for it. |
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| denk | http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/dilos/tde/tde_14.0.7.png TDE in a DilOS zone! |
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| denk | but I need to path it for zfs support |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. :-) |
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| SlavekB | denk - on amd64 or on sparc? |
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| denk | amd64 right now |
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| denk | sparcv9 is the next step |
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| SlavekB | sparcv9 is 64bit or 32bit? |
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| denk | 64 |
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| _Chris_ | Isn't OpenIndiana only supporting 64bit these days, denk? |
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| denk | yep, they don't want to support 32bits anymore |
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| denk | like smartos did it |
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| denk | illumos has old 32bits code, it is possible to use it, but there is no reason to do it |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, thanks for that information. :-) |
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| denk | not at all |
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| denk | btw, our main toys: |
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| denk | NAME SIZE ALLOC
FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ
FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT |
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| denk | p3p1t 1,41P
128T 1,28P -
- 0%
8% 1.00x ONLINE - |
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| denk | just for info :) |
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| _Chris_ | Wow. |
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| denk | it's not "wow", it is a small pool |
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| SlavekB | Good space for hosting TDE archive mirror ;) |
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| denk | for big teams, why not? |
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| SlavekB | If you want to become one of the official mirrors, we will be happy and we can do it :) |
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| denk | it's our customer's pool |
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| SlavekB | I see. |
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| denk | at home I want to do a raidz2 pool 8x8tb or 8x12tb, I can offer you a dilos zone on my home server |
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| agris | denk,
how is your pool topology setup for your dildos pool? Is it a raidzn
for the data section or a raid 10 like setup of stripped mirrors? |
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| agris | oh neat |
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| agris | Trinity on a non-linux or bsd |
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| agris | did you compile it by hand? |
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| denk | agris: striped raidzN |
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| agris | how many disks in each stripe? |
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| denk | sorry, many other details are secret |
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| agris | that's silly |
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| denk | maybe |
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| denk | about tde, we use debian package system with some patches |
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| agris | on a solaris fork you use deb?!? |
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| agris | neat |
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| denk | I'd say illumos fork |
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| denk | they told us that we are not illumos :) |
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| denk | we use illumos as the base + some patches from smartos + patches from ZOL |
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| denk | also we contribute some changes to zol |
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| agris | denk, what OS is this? |
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| denk | dilos :) |
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| agris | oh dilos not dildos |
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| agris | lol |
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| denk | no, we ad not dildos :) |
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| denk | *are |
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| agris | the Dil Disk Operating System |
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| denk | don't ask me why the author choosen such name, it was not me and I don't know it |
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| agris | well, Trinity + ZFS + non-linux base sounds pretty cool |
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| agris | I'll have to check it out |
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| denk | I want to test tde in a LX-zone |
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| agris | whats that |
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| denk | it's a restricted linux container inside a solaris system |
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| denk | sun did it for internal purpose, then they open it in opensolaris |
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| denk | now smartos can host linux as zones |
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| denk | agris: https://wiki.smartos.org/lx-branded-zones/ |
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| agris | neat |
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| agris | is it just syscall translation? |
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| agris | or is there another layer |
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| denk | both |
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| denk | they have many problems with systemd |
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| denk | there is no way to reboot/halt/poweroff such zone |
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| denk | it just hungs |
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| denk | fortunately, only in some cases |
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| PICCORO | denk: another system-shit consecuense |
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| denk | everyone has its own opinion, "vive la difference!" |
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| denk | damn, I commited alien changes again... |
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| denk | oh, git guru, please help to fix it once again! |
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| SlavekB | Yes - you obviously did amend to commit from Michele. |
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| SlavekB | You can try: |
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| SlavekB | git checkout dilos-pack-tqt3 |
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| SlavekB | git rebase -S master |
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| denk | conflicts... |
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| denk | in mandriva directories |
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| denk | I did not do it at all |
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| SlavekB | ok, hold on, I'll try on my repository... |
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| denk | I use your template: https://paste.dilos.org/?1b96e1b39955876f#QhiCXaamZsTXmpC5tnM9Lm4Fnhen6APEZqL2WcR5TRw= |
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| denk | where am I wrong? |
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| SlavekB | Incorrect was the use of amend - that's in case you want to fix your commit. |
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| SlavekB | Okay, we'll continue... |
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| SlavekB | git rebase --abort |
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| SlavekB | git reset HEAD~1 |
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| SlavekB | git stash save dilos-tqt3 |
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| SlavekB | git rebase -S master |
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| SlavekB | git stash pop |
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| SlavekB | git status |
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| SlavekB | If your steps went well, you should see your two changed files. |
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| denk | yep, exactly |
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| SlavekB | ok, next steps: |
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| SlavekB | git add --all |
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| SlavekB | git commit -sS -m "DilOS: fix tqt3 dependencies" |
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| SlavekB | git push origin HEAD -f |
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| denk | no gpg |
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| denk | is it critical? |
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| denk | error: gpg failed to sign the data |
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| denk | fatal: failed to write commit object |
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| SlavekB | Oh yes, of course. GPG is not required. |
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| SlavekB | git commit -s -m "DilOS: fix tqt3 dependencies" |
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| SlavekB | After commit you can try: git show |
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| SlavekB | Using the git show you can see if commit contains what you supposed. |
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| denk | well, done |
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| denk | many thanks! |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it looks good now. |
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| denk | one day I will teach you to manage crossbow :) |
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| SlavekB | :D Great, that sounds good :) |
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| denk | I'm sorry, guys, for the spam in git |
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| SlavekB | It's nice to see a lot of new pull requests :) |
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| Muhammad | How to assign default application in Trinity? |
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| Muhammad | I wanna change both my web browser and file manager |
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| Muhammad | Is there is a control center module for that? |
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| denk | SlavekB: please wait for a few time with my PRs, I will try to fix some issues |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, I am still trying to find out the reason for the changes in
versions.pl, because I do not see there problem with the original
expression. |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?eaf058123bf4387c#hLj4ArJ8WFBh972KiuBjZNR5iziwbogq+bgsD2Llvuw= |
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| denk | line 6 generates incorrect dependencies |
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| denk | that was the main reason |
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| SlavekB | and your current version scheme is? |
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| denk | I still use our one |
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| SlavekB | Previously your sheme is as following |
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| SlavekB | 4:14.0.6~pre29-0debian9.0.0+9+dilos1 |
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| SlavekB | this is ok. |
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| denk | I will use it |
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| denk | but I want to fix issues, now I'm rebuilding it all |
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| denk | btw, do you use some automation to build it? |
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| denk | something like jenkins |
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| SlavekB | Now I try set changelog to: |
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| SlavekB | tdepim-trinity (4:14.0.8~pre4-0ubuntu20.04.0+0+dilos1) focal; urgency=low |
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| SlavekB | and: perl debian/cdbs/versions.pl return: |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Version3=4:14.0.8 |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Version2=4:14.0 |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Next-Version3=4:14.0.9 |
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| SlavekB | TDE-Next-Version2=4:14.1 |
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| SlavekB | all is ok. |
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| denk | I understood you and it will be corrected in some time |
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| SlavekB | In any case, your fix should relate to version3, not version3_next, as the text should no longer be in version3. |
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| SlavekB | ach, now I see your: |
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| SlavekB | tdebase-trinity (4:14.0.7+dilos1) unstable; urgency=low |
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| denk | basic version+platformX |
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| SlavekB | The issue is here - there should be a dash after the base number, not a plus sign. |
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| SlavekB | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-standards-version |
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| SlavekB | There should be a dash after the "upstream" version and your distribution number (like dilos1) after the dash. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, I recommend adding a "packaging-version" to allow track changes related only to packaging. |
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| SlavekB | As you can see in numbering scheme for our deb packages: |
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| SlavekB | 4:14.0.8~pre4-0ubuntu20.04.0+0 |
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| SlavekB | 14.0.8~pre4 is "upstream" version |
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| SlavekB | 0ubuntu20.04 is "distribution specific" version |
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| SlavekB | +0 is number to track changes in tde-packaging. |
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| denk | huh, ok, it will be -0dilosX |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you can use for example: |
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| SlavekB | 4:14.0.8~pre4-0dilosX+0 |
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| SlavekB | Where "0dilosX" allows you to create packages for different versions of DilOS distribution. |
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| denk | is it ok without +0? |
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| SlavekB | ...and "+0" allows you to bump number when changes are in tde-packaging and are not changes in "upstream". |
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| denk | we increase X in that scheme |
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| SlavekB | For example: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/commit/c36b9c9938 |
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| SlavekB | this cause change only in tde-packaging. |
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| SlavekB | upstream version is unchanged |
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| SlavekB | "distribution-specific" is in your case also unchanged => for example still 0ubuntu20.04 |
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| SlavekB | ...and we need to bump some number related to packaging => so "+1" at end. |
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| SlavekB | If you don't need to distinguish packages for multiple DilOS versions, "-dilosX" may be sufficient for you. |
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| SlavekB | Do you have any stable releases? |
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| SlavekB | For example, I see DilOS 2.0.2.48 in your repository. |
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| denk | it has only numbers, we just freeze the repo for stable versions |
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| SlavekB | When DilOS 2.x is released, does the previous DilOS 1.x is unmaintained? |
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| denk | exactly |
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| SlavekB | Ok, so you won't need to create packages for older versions of DilOS distributions. |
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| denk | it is impossible, 1.x is too old |
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| SlavekB | In our case we support many versions, because more versions have official support in parallel. |
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| SlavekB | I know, but once you release DilOS 3.0, then the question is whether DilOS 2.x will no longer be supported? |
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| denk | it could be supported by some contracts |
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| denk | tde is outside of all contracts :) |
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| denk | at this moment |
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| denk | platform owner created it as server platform, I am so crazy that I want desktop on it |
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| denk | also beacuse my current OI is too old |
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| denk | *because |
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| SlavekB | As you can see, In our version scheme for deb packages, we have the distribution number for which the packages are intended. |
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| SlavekB | If
you don't need to have the distribution number highlighted there, you
can use the ending number as the version number for the packaging. |
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| SlavekB | So, 4:14.0.8~pre4-0dilosX can fit your needs. |
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| denk | accepted |
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| SlavekB | An opening 0 before the dilos will give you the opportunity to increase in case of any urgent need. |
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| SlavekB | Regarding automation - I have a script that automates the creation of source packages. |
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| SlavekB | If you would use the 4:14.0.8~pre4-0dilosN+X schema, the script would be immediately usable. |
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| denk | if it is applicable to produce source packages |
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| denk | compilation and building binary packages are jenkins jobs |
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| SlavekB | yes, my scripts are separate scripts - to generate source packages, to manage repository, to manage build of binary packages. |
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| SlavekB | There
would be only one change in my script - in tde-packaging for debian /
ubuntu we have a folder by distribution, while you don't have that
folder. |
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| denk | uname "sunos" -> zfs clone instead of directories |
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| denk | ok, just a joke, you don't use zfs... |
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| SlavekB | Ok, so we have a consensus on the version scheme: 4:14.0.8~pre4-0dilosX ? |
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| SlavekB | ...so a change in versions.pl will not be needed? |
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| denk | yes |
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| denk | I will revert it in my tree |
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| SlavekB | Okay, great, I'll wait to update your pull-requests :) |
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| denk | yes, please :) |
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| denk | SlavekB: is it possible to partially merge control files? :) |
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| SlavekB | What do you mean? |
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| denk | one moment... |
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| denk | something like this: |
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| denk | Build-Depends: libasound2-dev [!solaris-any] |
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| denk | or this: libcpp [solaris-any] |
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| SlavekB | aha - you mean to merge into control files that are in debian / ubuntu? |
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| denk | yeah, to avoid some overhead |
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| SlavekB | yes, that seems like a good idea - I'll test if dpkg on debian has any objections to unknown architecture names. |
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| denk | also I mark *-dbg as linux-any, we don't use it at this moment, but it's not a problem |
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| SlavekB | The question is whether to use [linux-any] or [!solaris-any] for dgb packages. |
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| SlavekB | The second option seems to me better, because it is a decision specific to solaris-any :) |
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| SlavekB | aha - I see it - this is not a build-depends option, but an architecture for a particular package. |
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| denk | illumos/solaris
uses dtrace for debugging which uses CTF data, we build binaries with
dwarf debug info and then ctfconvert takes it, convert to CTF and writes
back to the same file |
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| denk | we don't need a separate package for it |
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| SlavekB | In
principle, the use of linux-any should not matter, because we currently
do not have any other builds here than linux in our case and solaris in
yours. |
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| SlavekB | The build option for debian/kfreebsd is just theoretical. |
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| denk | you said "theoretical" :) |
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| denk | https://img.ifunny.co/images/da514cfd7cba0073b589d369ddb729dee688c7faf62001c70431e35400fb5275_1.jpg |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| denk | I had that text at my old work |
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| selk | Hi everybody |
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| selk | There is a quick way to print the release version of TDE (only)? |
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| SlavekB | You can use tde-config --version to get version informations. |
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| selk | Yes, I was trying to obtain the release number only. |
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| selk | I mean, without parsing any other stuff to obtain it |
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| SlavekB | tde-config --version | sed -n "s|^TDE: ||p" |
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| selk | Are there any plans to improve the current shell scripts? |
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| selk | I'd like to work on that part, respecting the code but improving it, as well as better indentation |
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| AngelKde | trinity en q40s is very very good |
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| selk | :) |
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| selk | _Chris_: I have the same problem trying to start TDE |
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| selk | This
time I see a message: "During previous startup, KNotify crashed while
instantiating KNotify. Do you want to try again or disable
aRts sound output?" |
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| selk | Does not work if I click on "Disable arts output", even I've recompiled tdebase without arts support, and it does not work... |
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| mutanttu1key | SlavekB: congrats on the release, i didn't see it until now |
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| SlavekB | unfortunately on IRC i still could not update the topic because i missed the moment when tbottu would be offline. |
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| mutanttu1key | that is not a problem |
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| mutanttu1key | i wanted to inqure about the listed kopete change |
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| mutanttu1key | " Restored both AIM and MSN protocols in kopete " |
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| SlavekB | the problem is not - it's just a little stupid :) |
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| mutanttu1key | wasn't AIM discontinued? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, but there are now alternative servers for AIM and MSN. |
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| mutanttu1key | ah that is cool |
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| mutanttu1key | thank you |
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| mutanttu1key | i have managed to create a issue with either qt3 or kpdf |
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| SlavekB | See |
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| SlavekB | http://iwarg.ddns.net/ |
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| SlavekB | ...and |
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| SlavekB | https://escargot.log1p.xyz/ |
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| mutanttu1key | look at this |
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| mutanttu1key | http://drop.ceux.org/misc/qt3.png |
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| mutanttu1key | the photo... is large, but i only have reproduced it thus far by resizing on large displays |
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| mutanttu1key | some sort of width overflow? i am not sure |
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| SlavekB | Interesting. |
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| mutanttu1key | yeah |
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| mutanttu1key | I don't have a perfect way to reproduce |
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| mutanttu1key | other than, resizing it a bunch randomly |
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| mutanttu1key | like, now i try again and it won't work |
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| selk | __Chris: I have no luck trying to start TDE |
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| selk | I've build without arts supports, and now at the initial screen "kded" crashes... |
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| selk | Are you sure that udevil works with TDE? |
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| selk | I suspect it is the HWLIB, but I am not 100% sure... |
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| __Chris | I
am busy right now. But hm, yes, udevil should work and it should also
only be called if you use mounting. So you know it is kded which is
crashing, or is that just displayed on the splash screen? |
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| selk | The splash screen appears, and then when it tries to "Initialize" the perhipericals, it crashes |
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| __Chris | Have you now build with the tdeioslaves? |
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| selk | Oh, yes! |
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| __Chris | Yes, you have, or you forgot about? :-) |
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| selk | With tdeioslaves this time, and now the crash occurs when "kded" |
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| selk | I forgot to mention it, sorry. |
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| __Chris | Oh, before it was crashing some step before, yes? |
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| selk | Yes, on "kcmserver" |
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| selk | ksmserver |
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| __Chris | Do you have the exact message, which is displayed right now? |
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| __Chris | On the splash. |
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| selk | Not yet |
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| selk | I will see if I can take some screenshot |
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| selk | First, I will check if works under a real machine (this was on virtualbox) |
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| __Chris | Have you also build with tdehwdaemons? |
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| selk | I think so |
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| selk | Let me check |
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| __Chris | Should be WITH_TDEHWLIBDAEMONS. |
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| selk | hm |
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| selk | I only see -WITH_TDEHWLIB |
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| __Chris | Let me check, maybe that is master branch.. |
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| __Chris | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/r14.0.x/CMakeLists.txt#L90 |
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| selk | Nope |
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| __Chris | Because,
I don't know if that is related to your problem, but if you have hwlib,
it needs something it get's data from. Either consolekit, upower,
devicekit etc. |
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| selk | I don't see it on tdebase-14.0.7 |
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| __Chris | Or.. the TDE own hwdaemons. |
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| __Chris | Oh, just have noticed, it well be build anyway if you build with hwlib on stable. |
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| selk | We only have dbus, udevil. |
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| selk | eudev, of course. |
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| __Chris | That should be okay. |
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| __Chris | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/ksplashml/themeengine/objkstheme.cpp#L130 |
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| __Chris | On that it is failing, right? |
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| selk | No, sorry. It fails on the previous |
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| selk | "Initializing system services" |
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| __Chris | Yes, kded. |
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| selk | ksmserver |
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| __Chris | I thought that was okay now? |
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| selk | In this case, kded is already loaded |
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| selk | I am in the same system session |
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| __Chris | Ah, I see. |
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| selk | So it fails on ksmserver (before) |
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| selk | If not, it fails on kded (after) |
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| __Chris | So having tdeioslaves resulted it now it fails on kded? |
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| selk | Yes |
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| __Chris | Hm, related to kded, that sounds like the media service, so yes, could be hwlib related.. |
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| __Chris | Have you tried with pmount? |
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| selk | No, what I need to build pmount, do you know? |
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| __Chris | The thing is, maybe the hwlib is crashing because you are really running on a VM. So maybe that is triggering some bug. |
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| selk | Yes |
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| selk | I see some messages about drivers or something |
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| selk | with the prefix [FIXME]: |
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| selk | Let me take a screenshot |
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| __Chris | intltool, gettext, util-linux. So you should all have that. :-) |
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| selk | yes |
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| selk | Where I can upload imgs? |
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| __Chris | Looks just for some img paste service in the web. :-) |
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| __Chris | https://paste.pics/ |
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| __Chris | Or so.. I don't know. |
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| selk | https://paste.pics/466080070229297e3ce48cbbff32b9a9 |
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| selk | https://paste.pics/e545f5350edb27ce20188fe7bb7f9e4f (from 'startx') |
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| __Chris | Yes, that might be because... ISA... has no hwlib support so far.. And I don't know it will ever get. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Standard_Architecture |
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| __Chris | So to make it short: It could be related to the VM after all. |
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| __Chris | Is the backtrace showing anything special? |
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| __Chris | Oh, there are modern USB-3.0 ISA cards, I just read. Interesting. :-) |
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| selk | Nothing special, because the packages in Dragora are optimized for size (no debug information). |
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| selk | Yes, the VM has sense. I should try to boot on a real machine... |
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| __Chris | Yes, but it should not crash with the VM. Maybe the VM is not properly configured for TDE, but that should not happen anyway. |
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| __Chris | Because, TDE should run also on older machines. |
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| selk | Good point. |
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| selk | Can you try to run TDE on VirtualBox in your free time? |
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| __Chris | Good idea, but I think not in next days. I haven't used VB since a long time. But that might be handy again for other things. |
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| selk | It is more easy in these days, thanks __Chris. |
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| selk | Oh, I think I have qemu installed, I will try... |
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| __Chris | (Y) |
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| __Chris | No,
last time I used it, I think they started to depend on Qt5 or something
like that. Or Qt4 and I wanted to get ride of that and hadn't any need
for some VM stuff back in that time. |
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| selk | This machine has KDE5 (I don't like it) |
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| __Chris | You could also try to build without hwlib. |
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| selk | That too |
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| selk | __Chris: Nope, it fails on ksmserver (if devmon is running) |
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| selk | if devmon (from udevil) is not running, it fails on kded |
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| selk | Under QEMU/Virtualbox. |
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| __Chris | Haven't
you said it is crashing now, with tdeioslaves, at kded and before on
ksmserver? So that would mean having tdeioslaves hasn't changed
anything, but it was also devmon you had running. |
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| __Chris | Do you have "~/.trinity/share/config/kdedrc"? You could try to set the services in that file step by step to "false". |
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| __Chris | There is a media service too.. |
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| selk | Okay, I will do in a moment. I am preparing a PR for tdebase (I need some fun now) |
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| selk | :-) |
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| __Chris | :-) |
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| selk | Okay, done. :) |
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| __Chris | selk:
You have named the PR by the branch name, was that intention? Normaly
that should be in a more readable way. I know someone before did that
too, but that was wrong too and I will review that too in next time. :-) |
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| selk | Oops, I forgot to add a name. I'm sorry |
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| __Chris | (Y) |
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| selk | Done, thanks __Chris. |
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| __Chris | But
looks good, but about the "source", question is if that is not used all
over the place in tdebase, so maybe it would be good to keep it
consistent. |
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| __Chris | But
I looked over that too some minutes ago by random. And it seems that
KDE4 things needs to be reviewed in next time. Either to KDE5 renamed,
or maybe they can go. But I will talk with Slavek about that. |
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| __Chris | Not only that you fixed, also about the GTK2 theme file with some kde4 prefix. But cleaning up some things is never bad. (Y) |
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| selk | starttde is the only script who included 'source' - in tdebase |
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| selk | IMHO, all the code can be improved and have better identation |
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| __Chris | Yes, came to my mind too now that might be really the case. Right. |
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| selk | But I want to be conservative here |
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| __Chris | :-) |
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| __Chris | So for better portability it might be better to use period and not source, you can add that maybe. |
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| selk | I added it on the commit message, it is a bashishm |
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| __Chris | Oh, I missed the commit message. (Y) |
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| __Chris | Bashishm. :-) |
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| __Chris | You can edit the PR title, to something like "Cleanup and enhancement of starttde script" or something like that. :-) |
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| __Chris | Because,
Slavek will add the PR's with gitea to some summary, so with every
release, you can see a full detailed list of PR's which were merged. |
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| __Chris | And, you can also edit the PR message next time, you don't need to comment again. |
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| selk | Woops |
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| selk | I forgot to save the Edit of the PR name |
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| selk | The button is not clear to me |
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| agris | are any of you Trinity developers? |
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| selk | It has green text with a green border on a white background, under a white background... |
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| agris | selk? |
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| selk | I'm a contributor |
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| selk | or that is what I try to do. :-) |
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| agris | I see |
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| agris | selk, what made you start contributing to TDE? |
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| selk | agris: There are several reasons, one of them is that my favorite environment was the old KDE. |
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| selk | Another is that I am a distributor, and as such I am interested in adding it to the distribution I maintain. |
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| selk | I was helping with the translations before (or what I could) |
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| selk | But now the interest is to add the support for the C library "musl" and to complement the support for LibreSSL. |
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| agris | selk,
before to you left KDE for TDE, did you ever receive extremely hostile,
stonewalling, or people cussing at you on the mailing list/bugtracker
for attempting to maintainer an older version of a program or library
before major breaking changes, like qt4-qt5 |
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| selk | I've also noticed that the scripts could be better and save resources. |
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| agris | or kde 3-kde4 |
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| selk | No, I was "forced" to change to Xfce in the next version of the project. |
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| agris | selk, forced? |
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| agris | you mean the UX got so bad in order to manitain productivity you had to switch to a different DE |
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| selk | Yes, because KDE 3.5 made the decision (the KDE team) not to keep it and make KDE4. |
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| agris | selk, |
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| agris | I'm in the same situation here |
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| selk | agris: Yes, why? |
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| agris | except the XFCE team and Gentoo developers are treating me like garbage because I'm trying to maintain gtk2 |
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| agris | I am literally submitted patches and ebuilds |
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| selk | GTK2 is still used |
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| agris | and I'm getting stonewalled, cussed at, and all the above for it |
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| agris | I am talking with some people trying to decide what to do |
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| selk | You should not listen to them, as they will do nothing for you but spend their time criticizing you. |
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| agris | if this is the point to contact the Gentoo proctors enforcement team |
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| agris | selk, That's the problem. I'm trying to upstream my patches into gentoo |
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| __Chris | agris: Hello! |
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| __Chris | Just have seen the word Gentoo. |
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| agris | hello __Chris |
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| __Chris | Let me read the log. |
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| selk | agris: Have you tried to send your patches to upstream (gtk)? |
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| __Chris | Wow,
agris, what you are writing is really exactly what I and many Gentoo
users have observed and just like you I very care about people choices
and see the direction of Gentoo in a very bad one. I am
creating/maintaining some overlay with someone here under the TDE
umbrella, because Gentoo developers don't like TDE. |
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| selk | __Chris: I guess, you are doing the same as the overlay with musl, the maintainer is Anthony Basille, maintainer of eudev |
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| agris | __Chris, selk, this is what I am observing: https://bugs.gentoo.org/698950 |
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| __Chris | And
yes, for me it is a reason not to be treated like shit here. It is very
nice you want to keep care of GTK2 packages. In fact I had some private
plans to setup some overlays related to that and things Gentoo
developers ripped of users choice. You can see much of that motivation,
if you notice how they remove silently GTK2 use flags, for example, but
upstream is just supporting GTK2 builds. |
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| selk | I
think so. I don't understand much about the Gentoo
world. The last time I installed it was in 1999, and I had to
take it out because it required an Internet connection, and I was using
dial-up at the time. |
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| agris | https://bugs.gentoo.org/644334 |
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| agris | https://bugs.gentoo.org/706222 |
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| __Chris | agris: In general, we should all join forces. Let me read. |
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| agris | __Chris, I am also maintaining gtk2 XFCE componets |
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| __Chris | aggi: It is very funny that I know exactly about that first bug you linked to. I got the mask message about celestia. :-) |
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| agris | I am interested in joining forces, because as you can see my work is not being appreciated in the tracker |
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| selk | agris: Wow, that's good |
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| __Chris | Yes,
that is sadly a general problem, you can observe since many years in
the open source world. It seems that is some kind of progressive
attitude of developers. After all, TDE was born because of such kind of
attitude of the KDE devs. |
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| agris | __Chris,
as a Gentoo user you know the power of the Portage system and USE
flags, something that I do not know where I can get elsewhere. the
closest thing is BSD pkgsrc but still that does not meet Portage's level
of functionality. |
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| agris | So |
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| selk | Same with Mate-desktop, ... |
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| agris | I'm not set on this but I think it's unlikely to find a replacement for Gentoo |
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| selk | agris: Mate-desktop could be a good example that they are still using GTK2 (I guess) |
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| agris | but joining forces for an overlay sounds like something worhwhile |
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| selk | So there is still a room out there for GTK2 |
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| __Chris | selk: Sadly Mate people ditched GTK2 now. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| agris | selk, no matte uses gtk3 now. I joined their IRC channel here on freenode to talk about it and they banned me |
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| selk | Wow! |
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| __Chris | Personaly, I still like GTK2, because it is light and functinal and integrates well into the TDE desktop. |
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| agris | I know from my personal testing TDE has very good support for gtk2 |
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| __Chris | I wonder why no one started some GTK2 maintaining project, or something like that. |
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| agris | even a compatible theming engine |
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| agris | and qt5 has recently dropped support for the qt filepicker |
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| agris | *gtk2 filepicker |
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| __Chris | Yes,
it has. GTK3 support isn't really finished and perfect. But GTK2 works
very well with TDE. I use PaleMoon with GTK2, for example. |
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| agris | __Chris, I actually maintain a UXP based browser as well |
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| agris | __Chris, https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git/ |
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| agris | strips out a lot of the antifeatures and phoning home |
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| selk | agris: You should make a fork of GTK2 and continue from there |
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| agris | as well as some security tuneups |
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| selk | Then, we can spread the word about, adding it, etc. |
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| agris | selk, well I am considering it |
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| __Chris | Personaly,
I find it very bad and intolerant to ditch software just because it is
not maintained. There are some examples, like games, or xcdroast, which
was nearly removed, but just got another release some second before, so
that was prevented. |
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| agris | __Chris, |
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| __Chris | At
least if software builds fine and is used, it should be preserved. Just
removing packages because they got no release for some time is bad. |
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| agris | do you have some time later tonight to tomorrow we could meet in a Mumble chat or something? |
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| agris | I'd like to discuss how I can help you out with your overlay and TDE |
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| __Chris | I don't have mumble or so, but yes, maybe tomorrow. I am here in the IRC every day, so feel free just to text me here. |
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| agris | regarding forking gtk2 |
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| agris | I have considered that |
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| agris | right
now it is not all the necessary, because the software is so mature now
that it's very stable and I have not come across any gtk2 bugs |
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| __Chris | Now, I not know how complicated that would be, but it seems you can still build GTK1 these days without any bigger problems. |
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| agris | however when the time comes, I've decided on calling it gtkNG |
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| agris | which has two meanings |
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| agris | the first, gimp toolkit-not gnomed |
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| agris | the
second intended as a passive aggressive response to all the developers
who stonewall projects like this simply because 'upstream said screw
you' |
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| agris | gimp toolkit-next generation |
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| agris | I would like to help integrate this into TDE as much as possible |
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| agris | hopefully to close the devide between the two toolkits and stablize on some standard theming apis |
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| selk | A lot of effort went into migrating to GTK3, but now they're doing GTK4 |
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| agris | port some old themes over, like cruxish |
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| __Chris | Now,
to be honest, you should not plan too much. It would be a good start to
have some cooperate overlay of ebuilds, which got their USE flags
stolen by the Gentoo dictatorship devs. So at least if users *want* to
help, they can and are not blocked to do so. That would need to
advertise in forums or the ML or something like that. I am sure there
would be pontential. You need just some ways to show users they are not
alone. |
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| selk | I'm not quite sure how well maintained the GTK3 is. |
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| agris | I do not see gtk3 as a replacement for gtk2 |
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| agris | simply a number increment |
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| agris | but as I said right now forking gtk2 is not needed....yet |
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| __Chris | The
problem about GTK2 could be it has not wayland support, but TQt
neither. But TDE users are conservative most of the time anyway and also
I am sure X applications will just run decades to come. :-) |
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| selk | agris:
My suggestion is that you do it from a common place, so that you are
open to projects (not only for Gentoo). If you do it from
Gentoo, it reduces the possibilities. I'll be happy to add
your patches here in Dragora. |
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| agris | I'm not worried about wayland. it is far from mature and suitable replacement for x |
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| selk | agris: notabug.org is a cool place where to host a project. :-) |
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| agris | __Chris, they will |
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| __Chris | Yes, selk. It is too. |
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| agris | I'm still using a forked version of Twinkle Softphone |
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| agris | for connecting to my enterprise SIP provider |
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| __Chris | agris: You are not alone in that channel with using that. :-) |
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| __Chris | Sadly, it was not ported to TDE so far, but maybe, some time, it will. |
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| __Chris | The
problem about all that energy what goes to overlays is, that everyone
is starting a own overlay. And they will be death just after some time.
There should be some more global and cooperative approach, so if Gentoo
devs day no, everyone can say, okay, it will go to the protest and
comminity maintained overlay. |
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| __Chris | *say |
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| agris | __Chris,
that is exactly why I have not published my own overlay yet, and why I
am trying to hard to go through the proper gentoo channels to get my
things merged |
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| agris | __Chris, it is futile to not cooperate |
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| __Chris | By the way, agris, PM devs started with this kind of development style now too. See: https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/1342. |
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| __Chris | See the waterfox linked issue about that too. Also there is some Gentoo there too, explaining why that is just bad. |
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| agris | __Chris, my build of Web Browser works with system libvpx 1.8 right now |
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| __Chris | Yes, I am using PM with system-libs too, also libvpx. But they have ripped that for next release too. |
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| agris | next major? |
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| agris | well shit |
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| __Chris | agris:
Do you use TDE? Or do you want to contribute? Because TDE people are
all friendly and not that way, you are always welcome. :-) |
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| agris | __Chris, I use multiple desktops, including TDE, and yes I want to contribute |
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| __Chris | At
least the changes are in the master branch of PM. Seems with 29.0.0 we
will lost that. At least for Gentoo I will revert that commits. But I am
getting sick of all that tricks and hacks needed, not only related to
PM. |
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| __Chris | Which overlay you are using in Gentoo to run TDE, agris? Or have you build it yourself? |
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| agris | I ran TDE on Devuan because I was not aware that Gentoo was supported |
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| agris | or that there was work going into it |
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| agris | currently I'm running my branch of XFCE 4.12 |
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| agris | wrote ebuilds for the last releases of xfce components that build against gtk2 |
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| __Chris | Gentoo
is not really supported at the moment. There was some overlay
maintained by someone called Fat-Zer, but after time it got broken, so
someone and me got to fork it and to work on it under the TDE umbrella.
At the moment only the base stuff builds and also only from master
branch. But there is work to get the latest stable release also working. |
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| agris | __Chris, you said you undid some commits to the Gentoo palemoon ebuild |
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| __Chris | That is very nice. |
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| agris | __Chris, when we have a chance you should take a look at Web Browser in my git repo |
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| agris | I have to brb for some errands |
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| __Chris | No, I haven't. I said I will revert that commits about the ripped of system-libs support with next major release. |
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| __Chris | I will take a look at it, okay? Does it use GTK2 then too? |
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| agris | yes |
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| __Chris | (Y) |
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| agris | I am planning to revamp the interface to look more native, but have not gotten around to that yet |
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| __Chris | Okay,
I always welcome alternatives. It is at least nice the UXP platform is
really used to build something from that. I thought that is not used
really anyway. |
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| __Chris | "You
don't want use GTK2 these days, unless you run some ancient machine
or/and old software..." -> Yes, he knows better than you and me,
agris, it seems. I assume you are Thomas then? |
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| __Chris | And
about Devuan - Yes, TDE works good under Devuan and Devuan developers
seems to be friendly torwards TDE, there was also some motivation to
create a own theme, from what I know. I don't know if that was created
at some point. :-) |
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| agris | yes |
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| __Chris | agris:
After reading that issue about gtkglext, at first I thought at least
the arguments are valid, but it seems they are very misleading. It
looked like the new pango release caused breakage to gtkglext and yes,
if that caused maintainance burden to the Gentoo devs, I see the point.
Except if someone steps voluntary in and says he is willing to keep care
of. But you can clearly see the motivations of this are not logical and |
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| __Chris | instead
they are more idiological. Because gtkext is depending on a extra
created compatibility package of old pango, which seems not to need much
care. So there is really no problem about that. But it seems,
pangox-combat is depending on pango itself. So it could be that is not
building anymore against latest pango, which would be some valid reason.
But, first, that could be written down more clear, so it could be
discussed and |
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| __Chris | second,
someone could find some way to fix that with a patch, because it seems
pangox-compat hasn't needed some patch in decades. |
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| __Chris | While I think, we find consens to say that "GTK2 looks ugly" isn't a valid reason to get ride of it.. |
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| __Chris | aggi: It might be a bug of different ebuild, but I think that is what is related: https://bugs.gentoo.org/706342 |
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| __Chris | agris:
pangox-compat isn't building here with latest (1.44) pango, that seems
to be a valid point. But until that is stable in Gentoo there would be
the time to open some real bug about so someone could step in. The
handling is just bad. |
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| agris | isn't pango gtk3? |
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| __Chris | At least with 1.42 pangox-compat builds fine. |
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| agris | so just to be clear, a change to gtk3 broke an existing package? |
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| __Chris | pango is just depending on glib. |
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| __Chris | No, just some kind of API changes. |
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| agris | I remember reading about this on the PLUG mailing lists |
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| __Chris | So with maybe a little patch, pangox-compat could still build (maybe decades more..) with recent pango. |
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| agris | all
kinds of issues an electrical engineer was having since his os switched
to the new pango, including fonts not rendering properly in terminals |
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| agris | periods showing up has half-lit pixels |
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| __Chris | Yes, that can happen, because that can be related. |
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| __Chris | For
example, TDE maintained version of old Amarok failed to build against
latest xine-lib since after decades, the API was changed. But with some
fix, it will build just fine next years. |
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| __Chris | GTK is just using pango. |
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| __Chris | agris: https://github.com/GNOME/pango/blob/mainline/NEWS#L82 -> It seems that is causing the problem of compax-compat. It was using that, from what I have seen by the build log. |
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| __Chris | *pangox |
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| agris | I'm not sure if following GNOME's upstream pango is a good idea |
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| agris | is pango gtk3 specific? |
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| agris | seems to be just a generic text redering lib |
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| __Chris | No, not really. The things is that glib, gtk, cairo, pango and such things are more or less related to the GNOME umbrella. |
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| __Chris | Because, that is all more or less under the Redhat umbrella. :-) |
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| agris | __Chris,
do you think it's a good idea to patch the programs to work with the
new pango api, or should pango be forked and maintained seperately? |
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| agris | because there seems to be a lot of bugs in the newer pango |
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| agris | also being more bloated |
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| __Chris | I think a patch would be good, because otherwise you would need to keep care on another deprecated lib on your own. |
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| __Chris | Oh, don't make me sad. How you come to that conclusion? |
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| agris | I'll trust your judgement on that one |
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| __Chris | The bugs and problems are most likely just caused because applications not beeing properly ported to newer pango versions. |
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| agris | ok |
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| agris | do you think this is something that can be done in gentoo's upstream? |
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| agris | or will it get stonewalled as well |
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| __Chris | Sounds
crazy, but from the pango changelog, it seems they already have added
back some removed things, because other applications were still using
them, so maybe they would be willing to bring that functionality back?
But I am not very optimistic about something like that, because my
experience so far is, if something is changed, most people will not okay
with undoing that. |
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| __Chris | Yes, it will be stonewalled. They want to get ride of GTK2. |
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| __Chris | And yes, that could be done, I think. In fact, it is done for a lot of packages already. |
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| agris | this makes my uneasy |
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| __Chris | The problem with Gentoo last years seems to be manpower. But otherwise, the attitude is just bad for people to get included. |
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| agris | seeing as how noncompliant gentoo is |
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| agris | makes me worried about the long term viability of maintaining overlays |
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| __Chris | There
was some thread in the Gentoo forums about people starting to filter
out the system.d installed files by some ebuilds, because they don't use
systemd with "INSTALL_MASK". I am doing that myself. After some Gentoo
dev read about in the forums and some discussion was started they
started to think about removing that feature, just to prevent people to
use that.. |
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| __Chris | The
likely problem we have with the TDE Gentoo overlay now, because it
installs into /usr/trinity, because otherwise, it would break KDE
packages and other things. But with EAPI7, they introduced some QA
check, to put out some message, that this is wrong and it is just
allowed to install in the dirs Gentoo devs want to see. While I see the
point, there was for short time the idea about some variable to skip
that check for special |
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| __Chris | ebuilds.
The code for that was there, but some special devs have stonewalled
that, to block all ways to prevent it. So if that is updated to a error,
there would be only /opt/trinity, or the overlay will fail. Isn't that
nice? |
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| __Chris | And
that isn't only for portage tree packages, also if you invest time and
energy to keep care of private overlays, you have to deal with that
crap. So you can understand people get demotivated by all that.. |
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| agris | __Chris, have you heard of Funtoo? |
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| agris | __Chris, what are the syste.d installed files? |
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| agris | I run OpenRC myself |
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| agris | I did check out system for a period of time and switch back to OpenRC |
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| agris | also why does trinity need to install into /usr/trinity instead of /usr? |
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| agris | you
mention KDE breakage, but as long libraries are version marked, and the
ebuild prevents a KDE equivalent package form being installed when a
conflicting TDE one is, that should not be an issue should it? |
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| __Chris | agris:
Yes, Funtoo was made by the original Gentoo founder Daniel Robbins,
which left when he got a job at MS, back in the days. Back then he was
some kind of dictator, but some liked the direction and the attitude he
managed the Gentoo project that way. But after he left, Gentoo was
liberated and some council was introduced and all that. After his job at
MS he wanted to get back at Gentoo, but they haven't let him, so he
forked away |
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| __Chris | to Funtoo. I never tested it, some things I read about it I liked neither. |
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| agris | What have you read about it |
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| __Chris | The
systemd installed files are mostly service files. You don't need them
with OpenRC and in fact OpenRC is still the default. The problem is
just, that some people want to make some systemd derivat out of OpenRC. |
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| agris | I've talked to other people, shown them the way I was being talked to on the bugtracker |
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| __Chris | I don't know anyway. I looked at it some years ago. |
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| agris | multiple people recommended Funtoo to me |
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| __Chris | Alone
the Gentoo forum is much more great than this modern kind of forum
software they use in Funtoo. I don't like it. But okay, that is maybe
some personal reason. |
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| agris | __Chris, can you link me your overlay your talking about |
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| agris | __Chris, the proprietary Discord and Telegram links on the main page are a red flag to me |
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| __Chris | agris:
There are also bins with same KDE names, as far as I know and other
things. In Debian it is handled the same way - Also: We want it that
way, so we can see a difference between TDE applications and Gentoo
things. |
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| __Chris | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo |
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| __Chris | Still
under heavy construction, it needed to be ported to EAPI7 firstly.
Which is done now. I am just working on get hiddenvisibility flag
implemented into the eclasses. |
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| __Chris | You can join us, if you like, every time. :-) |
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| __Chris | The
thing about the overlay is, that it is using the CMake conversions from
TDE, which are not done for all packages. But great contributors are
doing great work on getting that done step by step. TDE is switching to
CMake since breaking away from KDE3. That is still WIP. But we will add
also old automake builds most likely, until that is ready. We will see. |
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| __Chris | *ebuilds |
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| __Chris | You
can try to build with 9999 builds, you will find some README about it
also. If you find some problem, be free to register at TGW (some
self-hosted GH for the TDE umbrella) and report some issue. |
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| __Chris | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace |
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| agris | what is arts? |
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| __Chris | You said you are running TDE under Devuan? aRts is the soundserver of KDE3/TDE. But you can build TDE without aRts support too. |
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| __Chris | If
you end up having over 200 oder maybe 400 ebuilds in some overlay, you
will have to care about outsourcing magic in the eclasses, so ebuilds
keep slim. |
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| mashiro-tan | Hi guys. |
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| mashiro-tan | How can i compile only konqueror from tde-base? In which IDE and how i can debug this application step-by-step? |
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| mutanttu1key | hm |
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| mutanttu1key | SlavekB I managed to reproduce it again |
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| mutanttu1key | but, now that ia m in this state, is there a way to debug? |
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| mutanttu1key | alrigt i am in gdb attached |
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| a-865 | 14.0.8pre on Buster is failing to open a main menu on Kicker :-( |
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| a-865 | no icon |
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| a-865 | fresh created ,session-errors is 15700 bytes |
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| a-865 | http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/TDE/xsession-errors-1408pre-buster |
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| a-865 | reverted to 14.0.7 and problem remains :~( |
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| a-865 | emptying .trinity cleared it :p |
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| aggi | hello _Chris_, i noticed your message but wouldn't know how that is related |
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| aggi | anyway,
didn't have the time and mood yet to upgrade a latest gentoo build (but
i'll check it for sure), job interviews impacted my mood |
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| _Chris_ | aggi:
Hello. It might be that message was not for you. I had some talk here
with some other Gentoo users, with a likely name as yours. |
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| _Chris_ | No stress, okay? Take your time. At the moment I am busy too. |
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| aggi | none at all, just wanted to let you know that i'll provide feedback |
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| _Chris_ | That is nice to know. :-) |
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| aggi | and
usually i align my release builds to kernel releases when latest stable
goes EOL, and the most recent stable one (5.4) was designated as LTS so
it will take some time after kernel 5.5 had seen testing until going
EOL in a few weeks |
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| aggi | then i'll pick it up and integrate the trinity release together with it |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that makes sense. I am using here 4.19.x here still too. |
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| _Chris_ | That would be wonderful. (Y) |
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| aggi | i am on kernel 5.3 (EOL) and will siwtch to 5.5 once this one went EOL |
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| aggi | anyway, ttyl _Chris_ and good evening to you |
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| _Chris_ | To you too! |
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| mashiro-tan | Hi
guys. I have a question about trinity testing - is it usable for
everyday needs? I've installed the tdebase package + several packages
for the minimalistic setup and noticed that 'tdm.service' script is
incomplete, DE now has some weird LogOut/TurnOff screen and looks like
there are some troubles with dcop services (DE bootup is slow,
tdenetworkmanager applet response delay is about 3sec). |
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| tom_work | How do I install Trinity on FreeBSD? |
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| SlavekB | tom_work, you can use FreeBSD ports from r14.0.x branch in tde-packaging repository: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/r14.0.x/freebsd |
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| tom_work | thanks |
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| SlavekB | Soon I expect to upload ports for versions of R14.0.8~pre. |
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| SlavekB | This will solve for example building tdegraphics with an updated poppler library. |
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| tom_work | I'm looking for a completely redhat-umbrella free desktop in case forking xfce 4.12 faills through |
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| tom_work | make: don't know how to make config-recursive. Stop |
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| tom_work | make: stopped in /usr/local/ports/tde-packaging/freebsd |
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| tom_work | Is the port nonstandard? |
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| SlavekB | On my testing machine, I have the ports located in /usr/ports/x11/trinity |
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| SlavekB | The paths used there for Trinity components dependencies can expect such a location. |
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| tom_work | move the tde-package repo there or just tde-packaging/freebsd? |
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| SlavekB | I
think there might be enough to do symlink /usr/ports/x11/trinity that
will point to your /usr/local/ports/tde-packaging/freebsd |
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| tom_work | ok |
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| tom_work | no |
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| tom_work | still make: don't know how to make config-recursive. Stop |
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| tom_work | make: stopped in /usr/local/ports/tde-packaging/freebsd |
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| tom_work | wisn't this supposed to go in x11-wm not x11? |
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| SlavekB | No, on a machine where I prepare and test it, I use /usr/ports/x11/trinity. |
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| tom_work | ok |
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| tom_work | any idea why I can't recursively configure? |
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| SlavekB | You only give make or make _something_? |
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| tom_work | ok |
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| SlavekB | You can try for example make install in dependencies/tqmake? |
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| tom_work | How do i stop it from pausing randomly ans asking questions? |
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| tom_work | ask |
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| SlavekB | I assume that there are queries mainly due to installing dependencies from FreeBSD ports. |
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| SlavekB | You can consider installing dependencies from binary packages from FreeBSD ports instead of compiling everything. |
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| tom_work | strange I thought i already had all the deps |
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| tom_work | now it's compiling python? |
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| SlavekB | Only related to python is tdeedu - USES+= python and this use current python 3.x. |
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| mashiro-tan | How i can replace the new logout screen with the classic one? Now on R14.0.8~pre. |
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| _Chris_ | mashiro-tan: Options related to that you may find in the TCC -> TDE Components -> Session Manager. |
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| tom_work | SlavekB, do you have a list of things i should install with pkg |
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| tom_work | apparently https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Basic_Building_Requirements is not complete |
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| MicheleC | yeah, it is likely outdated |
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| MicheleC | are you trying to build TDE? |
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| SlavekB | Maybe I can get a list of packages that I installed manually on FreeBSD so I don't have to compile all the dependencies. |
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| mashiro-tan | _Chris_: hmmm, i don't see an option for this. I'm about this logout screen https://files.catbox.moe/4hxyko.jpg Old is https://files.catbox.moe/35yixw.jpg
Personally i don't like a new one and think that old screen was pure,
compact and just matching the DE. AFAIK there's no intentions to add a
touch capabilities for the Trinity, then logout screen copy from
xfce-or-whatever isn't necessary. But it waill be good if nowadays
common for most DE ti |
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| mashiro-tan | added to the old screen. |
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| SlavekB | Ach, this "old" is standard - for example on Debian you get this, while "new" is used on Ubuntu distributions. |
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| mashiro-tan | Any option to get standard screen back for ubuntu then? |
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| SlavekB | Replace Ubuntu with Debian :) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know that "new" one neither. |
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| tom_work | MicheleC, I'm trying to install trinity on reebsd |
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| tom_work | it's going to take weeks if I have to sit here and manually confirm every last dependency |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, there are additional patches for logout dialog specific to Ubuntu that do not provide an option. |
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| mashiro-tan | Really?
I've stopped on ubuntu because installation was plain and i've build
minimalistic Trinity environment very fast. Debian was too slow on the
device detect and even mountpoint setting was complicated |
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| SlavekB | You can see lot of patches specific to Ubuntu packages: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/ubuntu/_base/tdebase/debian/patches |
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| MicheleC | yes, ubuntu can enable ubuntu-style logout dialog for kickoff |
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| MicheleC | @tom_work: ah ok, then Slavek is your man for freeBSD |
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| mashiro-tan | SlavekB: looks like it not hardcoded at least |
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| SlavekB | Ach, yes, you can try to set doUbuntuLogout=false in Logout section! |
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| tom_work | k |
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| SlavekB | And doUbuntuLogout=false in Shutdown section. |
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| mashiro-tan | Well, and one more time: any tools for debugging trinity applications? Possibly, someone using some IDE? |
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| SlavekB | So there is no GUI option for that, but it can be set in the configuration file. |
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| mashiro-tan | well, i've got the old menu. |
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| SlavekB | It seems useful to write some brief readme for building on FreeBSD ;) |
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| mashiro-tan | i've also been interested how to get TDE on *BSD, since it was noticed in the release news btw |
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| MicheleC | @Slavek: yes, we should find some time to update building instructions for TDE sooner or later. |
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| MicheleC | in general, for debian, for BSD |
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| MicheleC | if there is any volunteer wishing to help out, please let us know :-) |
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| tom_work | there are special hacks in place just for Ubuntu? |
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| tom_work | doUbuntuLogout? |
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| mashiro-tan | tom_work: as you see. But really i can't get for what this "hack" was made, lol. |
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| SlavekB | I
have no idea if somewhere it is possible to trace the original idea why
KDE3 on Ubuntu had different logout / shutdown dialogs. |
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| tom_work | mashiro-tan, lots of setting around and pressing enter on ncurses prompts that's how |
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| _Chris_ | I think, the original idea was to mainstream the logout dialog of Kubuntu with the Ubuntu ones, so it is more consistent. |
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| SlavekB | Fortunately it is not hardcoded, which I feared at the first moment, but it can be enabled / disabled by setting the variable. |
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| tom_work | What's next? doRedhatThing=false? |
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| tom_work | I joke |
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| mashiro-tan | dosystemd-thingd=true |
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| mashiro-tan | goddess, what a piece of crap |
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| tom_work | doSystemdPulseaudioPolicyKitAvahiGtk3Thing=ohGodNo |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, good that are building options and optional and I strongly hope it will be always that way, tom_work. |
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| _Chris_ | For the Gentoo overlay, I keep very care of to offer that options. |
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| _Chris_ | While
it is very nice to offer users choice, so keeping systemd support out
fully isn't fine neither. But as long it is optionally all can be happy.
:-) |
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| tom_work | I wonder if it's possible to bootstrap Portage onto Slackware |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, I would disagree. I am strongly of the opinion "to hell with systemd" |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
me too. But I respect that are other users out with other thinking. But
I am very against giving no options. Right now that is very good in
TDE. Even the automounting stuff you can completely get ride of. |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't think it would be a nice attitude to hold back people wanting to
add optional support for systemd or so. Also if I don't like it. |
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| tom_work | I don't see not supporting systemd hookings as a lack of options |
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| _Chris_ | But
after all, TDE is mostly used by more conservative users, when it comes
to init, X, automounting, pulse, polkit and such things. Even OpenGL,
you are not forced to use with TDE, so that is very good so far. |
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| tom_work | look
at it this way. if you do traditional init, you have compatibility with
sysv, openrc, and pretty much every posix implementation out there |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, right. Like I said, I don't dissagree with you here. :-) |
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| tom_work | with systemd what other implementation are you compatible with |
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| tom_work | nonthing |
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| tom_work | just systemd on the linux platform |
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| tom_work | if anything systemd has sysv-compat |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but you can offer different codepaths, depending on the building options, for example. |
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| _Chris_ | Look, for FreeBSD there is some HAL path, for example. |
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| _Chris_ | But in Linux, tdehwlib is used. |
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| _Chris_ | You can just build TDE without HAL in Linux. |
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| _Chris_ | And in fact, that is done for Debian and such. |
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| tom_work | I
still think any systemd at all is a waste and a mistake, but the build
option is a decent enough compromise to make it not worth fighting over |
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| tom_work | as long as those codepaths are never ever and not possibly called with the flag is off |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. But interesting there are even more critical people out there than me. Never thought that. :-) |
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| tom_work | I think systemd codepaths are a much bigger liability then other smaller scope things like pulseaudio |
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| _Chris_ | Sometimes
that are just calls for using systemd/logind session handling, or
probing for suspend/hibernate. Otherwise you can use other services for
that. But yes, options for not having that calls are nice and important. |
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| tom_work | well if you look at Devuan ASCII's developement |
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| _Chris_ | After
all, sadly other DE's have going the route to force all to their users,
removing building options and such things. You can't build anything
without dbus anymore these days, that's just bad. |
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| tom_work | they didn't even release until they replaced all systemd shims with verifiable NOOPs |
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| _Chris_ | In Gentoo, the developers needed to patch the hell out, to offer other support to run it instead of using systemd. That's sick. |
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| tom_work | you can build trinity without dbus? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I very much like Devuan developers. They were also very open minded to TDE. |
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| tom_work | yeah, they had to fork udev |
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| tom_work | Gentoo |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. At least, yes. If you build without tdehwlib, tdehwdaemons, that should work.. |
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| tom_work | interesting |
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| _Chris_ | At least in Gentoo it is that way. But needs more love and testing. |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, what do you think about dbus vs a loopback interface? |
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| tom_work | *using the loopback interface |
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| _Chris_ | It should be reasonable that you can't use tdepowersave, if you haven't build with hwlib in tdelibs. |
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| _Chris_ | For what you mean, tom_work? |
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| tom_work | as a message bus |
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| _Chris_ | The
thing is, TDE does it very nice with hwlib already. It's just using
some internal functions, and the hwlib just makes the dbus calls alone. |
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| _Chris_ | I don't have some opinion there, tom. Just another approach. Haven't really think about that, what do you think? |
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| tom_work | first
I should state I don't really care that much about dbus on a high
level, other than dbus itself being a slow and buggy implementation of a
message bus and i'd very much like a replacement but i'm not going to
fight tooth and nail to remove it because it's just not that big a
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| tom_work | but compared to other message bus systems dbus seems like the worse possible way to go about doing a message bus |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, tom. I haven't found some comparisons some time ago between dbus vs. dcop and dcop was some hundred of times faster! |
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| tom_work | if you look at OpenWRT's minimal ubus |
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| tom_work | (i've done embedded work with OpenWRT) |
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| _Chris_ | So for using it for TDE internal communication is very nice. |
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| tom_work | or simply using the local network loopback interface |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I use OpenWRT on my routers too! |
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| tom_work | or using unix sockets |
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| tom_work | dbus seems like a pretty stupid and insane way to go about simple passing messages to multiple selective receivers |
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| _Chris_ | The
thing is, that using dbus makes sense, if you want to see TDE support
drag and drop with Firefox/PaleMoon and such. Because that is a commong
thing. |
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| _Chris_ | There was the idea about a kdbus. |
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| _Chris_ | You maybe know that already. |
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| tom_work | yes |
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| tom_work | and it was worse than dbus |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it was controversal. |
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| tom_work | and it upset Linux enough to come out of his gave and release his wrath upon the LKML again |
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| tom_work | *Linus |
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| _Chris_ | And
that is the reason I am skeptical with new things or beeing depended on
external things, always. Look what it would be if TDE had switched to
Qt4. |
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| _Chris_ | Now Qt is going commercial. |
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| _Chris_ | And the whole manpower of the TDE team would go to fix what Qt people removed, changed and all that kind of things. |
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| tom_work | oh yeah |
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| tom_work | which is another thing |
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| tom_work | I've been taking a closer look at tqt |
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| _Chris_ | We would get ride of KHTML (but would end up with a broken and deprecated webkit from Qt4, they trashed). |
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| tom_work | it's got some real nice scientific widgets |
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| tom_work | and integrates nice with existing gtk2 |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, true about GTK2. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, you are using Slackware? |
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| tom_work | ino but I've been real pissed off with Gentoo developers lately |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, me too. There are more out there, tom. |
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| tom_work | I've been installing some other operating systems on baremetal testing them out |
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| tom_work | I'm considering switching back to slackware |
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| _Chris_ | Last days I had one discussion about that topic with someone other. |
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| tom_work | I've used slackware before |
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| tom_work | If I could get Portage on it installing software for slackware wouldn't be such a pain |
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| _Chris_ | So
if you are a Gentoo user, we should all join forces. Seeing also all
GTK2 building options ripped of from packages which upstream still
suports in Gentoo is another evil plan. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, there is also Funtoo, but they are using just Gentoo packages most of the time. |
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| _Chris_ | What overay are you using for Gentoo, tom? |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, your overlay you linked seems that it's really suited for just tde stuff is that correct? |
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| tom_work | a lot of the stuff I'm maintaining for Gentoo isn't TDE specific but standalone software |
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| tom_work | but
anyways I was going to mention before but got distracted, that's one of
the reason i'm compiling trinity on freebsd right now |
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| tom_work | evaluating it as a platform I could switch things to |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, ? |
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| tom_work | _Chris_,
I looked into Funtoo. The Discord and Telegram links on the front page
was a big enough of a red flag for me to stay away from it |
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| tom_work | even
if i were to join that community I'd have to deal with 80% of it being
fragmented and unreachable on some proprietary platform |
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| tom_work | a free software project having it's main communication for discord is a HUGE red flag |
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| _Chris_ | Let me read, please. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes.
just for TDE stuff, or TDE related stuff. But I might be open to start
also other projects, but that will be just maintained by time and there
is need for people to help by best efforts. |
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| _Chris_ | So
some GTK2 overlay, with packages added back with GTK2 support, Gentoo
devs removed. Or even some ancient xf86-video-* overlay, with display
drivers which were removed from portage. |
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| _Chris_ | Or other things. |
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| tom_work | they are removing display drivers too? weird |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting,
the Gentoo users before you wrote about Funtoo the same. I am very
alarming about switch to discord too. Have seen that for mutiple
projects, ditching IRC. Just bad. |
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| tom_work | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, they are doing that.. |
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| tom_work | I already have some ebuilds I could contribute to a gtk2 overlay |
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| _Chris_ | I have some list. List of shame, with things they removed I was sad about. |
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| tom_work | I would be willing to maintain |
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| _Chris_ | Very good. So it seems there are more people out there open for that than I thought. |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, you also gotta make a list of what things you care enough about to do something about |
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| tom_work | and have time to fix |
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| _Chris_ | If
things break, things should not be removed just. Instead it can be
broken, so users seeing that and can jump in to fix. Just ripping all
ebuilds away, just because there is a problem is bad. People will not
start to fix it. Also fbsplash was removed. Splashutils. |
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| _Chris_ | But
you have to be realistic, that Gentoo devs could strike back. After
all, I have read that they wanted to remove the INSTALL_MASK option from
make.conf after some devs have read in the forum users use that to
filter out systemd related files. Isn't that sick already? |
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| _Chris_ | Some dev came and wrote that is bad, users replied it's their choice, reaction -> So we will discuss to remove that options. |
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| _Chris_ | At such a point, all alarm bells are ringing for me. |
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| _Chris_ | The
thing is, that I prefer something like Amarok over Audacious, for
example. But Audacious and other applications using GTK2 just integrate
so well into TDE and as long as they are maintained that way upstream,
there is no reason to hide that building options. GTK3 in TDE works too,
but a lot of people prefer GTK2. |
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| _Chris_ | So I still have Audacious from my WM only time installed. |
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| tom_work | Can you link me to the installmask discussion? |
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| tom_work | is that really the only reason to discuss removal? out of spite some people are not configuring gentoo the way they like? |
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| tom_work | that's seems opposite to gentoo's mission |
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| tom_work | to target anything and everything |
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| _Chris_ | Puh,
that has to be anywhere in the Gentoo forums and then at the ML That
was already one or two years ago, you know? So far it is still working. |
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| tom_work | well it'd be interesting to know what panned out regarding it |
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| _Chris_ | No,
the motivation behind that was, doing something like that can break
Gentoo, because users could be too stupid to know what they can mask and
what not, you know? |
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| _Chris_ | So they will report bugs, because of the install_mask, which are invalid and just because they fucked things up. |
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| _Chris_ | I think, that has sleep in already, so we are save at that. |
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| _Chris_ | But, to come up with that.. |
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| _Chris_ | For
example, they introduced some QA check which allows only to install
ebuilds into some specific dirs. There was already working(!) code to
give overlay maintainers and ebuild authors a possibility to skip that
checks (TDE is installing into /usr/trinity) for a good reason. But
mgorny or so have not allowed that, so there is really no way to get
around. Now you will get warnings. If these warnings will be upgraded,
we will get |
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| _Chris_ | problems with the overlay. But to be realistic, I think there are years to come about until that happens. :-) |
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| tom_work | oh so pulling a palemoon basically."for your safety" |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but PM is doing it's own kind of.. taking care... of users... now: https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/UXP/issues/1342 |
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| _Chris_ | So, and with something like that, I can also understand Gentoo devs, if they say, they will not add PM to portage. |
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| tom_work | oh |
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| tom_work | that |
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| tom_work | well |
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| _Chris_ | While
other projects are happy to allow system-libs support, they do it the
other way. But knowing their attitude and having experience with such
kind of decissions, you can't most likely not expect they will say okay,
that was a wrong turn and we will find a solution. No. |
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| tom_work | old ass vulnerable not-updated web browser here I come |
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| tom_work | that's doo much |
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| tom_work | I'd rather run a vulnerable web browser than deal with that |
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| tom_work | that is If UXP is too costly to fork |
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| _Chris_ | Most
Firefox users I have talked with say they don't like it, in fact they
fear any update. But they can't fight against all that things the whole
time, so they just end up using it, beeing unhappy. When I hear
something like that.. |
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| _Chris_ | Some I recommended PM then. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but just removing that patches should be no problem. But expect they
add more custom stuff in their forked libs then, so building against
system-libs will break. |
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| tom_work | I almost disabled JIT in web browser last time it had an RCE again |
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| _Chris_ | After
all, they introduced some build system check to forbidd you to use the
branding of PM, for your own, private, personal build, if you use
system-libs. At least that was in 27.x.x - So I started to use the
inofficial one. But after people started to prefer that and said they
are okay with that, they came up with removing system-libs fully. |
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| _Chris_ | Is that still possible in PM? Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | But,
I think that is enough blaming things for today. We need to do more
against it. I will let you know if I start some repo about that. |
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| tom_work | =) |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | tom_work: Do you have some ebuilds which were removed or have removed GTK2 support you care much about? |
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| _Chris_ | So just to name, I know a bit. |
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| tom_work | yes |
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| _Chris_ | And/or, TDE applications, you say you would like to see them in Gentoo. |
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| tom_work | lets continue this chat tomorrow |
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| tom_work | it's late |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| mashiro-tan | >The thing is, that using dbus makes sense, if you want to see TDE support drag and drop with Firefox/PaleMoon and such |
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| mashiro-tan | What, really? DnD made through DBus? |
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| mashiro-tan | Don't tell me that binary object moving like pictures is made through DBus too |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
if I am not fully wrong on that from my brain, that is used for that.
At least in PM and such. So TDE or other applications can communicate
with applications like PM/Firefox and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | So, if you use SpaceFM/PCManFS or so and you want to drop something inside a "upload" window in Firefox/PM, you need DBus. |
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| _Chris_ | But that is nothing TDE related. |
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| mashiro-tan | Hmm,
it's only DnD made through dbus, but not the whole copy-paste thing.
Well, why it lags like hell and didn't work sometimes then... |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I build my PM all the way without DBus support and just use the filepicker. That works fine. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe they have not realized that this is some building options, if so, they might will remove it. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Let me check if Firefox still supports that.. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah,
yes, they still support that, it seems. But another funny thing. Either
the Gentoo devs or Mozilla devs just removed that option with switch
from Firefox 68 to 71. So my joke is now reality. |
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| _Chris_ | So yes, you are forced to that too. |
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| _Chris_ | "28/08/2019: Firefox 69 now fully depends on dbus" |
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| mashiro-tan | tom_work: |
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| mashiro-tan | >The Discord and Telegram links on the front page was a big enough of a red flag for me to stay away from it |
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| mashiro-tan | Well,
i think that this is not bad and not good neither. Distro swapped to
more simple entrypoints to communicate for modern humans and have more
chances to grow its community. |
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| mashiro-tan | And
i think that simple communication - it's a thing the Trinity totally
lacks, guys. Even classic forum is absent. (But i've already wrote this
earlier, and thanks the irc logger was set up again.) |
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| mashiro-tan | _Chris_: Is it still possible to build FF/forks with qt3 support? GTK filepicker is annoying. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
forum I would like to see too. But I respect the idea of using MLs too.
Problem related things can be talked about in TGW, which works very
well. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Firefox
is using GTK3 only. But about PM, that can be build with GTK2 and there
is the possibility to use native TDE widgets for things, so that might
work still. |
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| _Chris_ | Waterfox is using GTK3 only too, from what I know.. And SeaMonkey too. |
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| _Chris_ | It's a big Kindergarden, if you look over all that trends. |
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| mashiro-tan | Btw
i've hear about variable for QT* QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2, possibly if
compile FF with qt5 support (if thats possible) it can get TDE looks by
qt5>gtk2>tqt bridge |
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| _Chris_ | You can compile FF with Qt5? |
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| _Chris_ | I
am not very into that FF topic anymore and happy I got that behind me.
Just using PM. Expect some strange attitude torwards things from the
developers, I am happy about that. |
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| mashiro-tan | I've not tried that thing since i'm on already-binary distros. I'm trying to compile konqueror though. |
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| mashiro-tan | As
for PM, it's have an outdated gecko and a bunch of little bugs that was
been on the FF52, and i need modern instruments for my work. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but you can report your findings, maybe useful for other users here then. |
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| mashiro_tan | Need some halp. Now trying to build the tdegraphics package, but receive error |
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| mashiro_tan | Unable to find tqt! Try adding the directory in which the tqt.pc file is located |
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| mashiro_tan | I've checked and added the path to PKG_CONFIG_PATH but no luck. |
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| agris | mashiro_tan, QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 code has been removed from qt5 last I heard |
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| agris | only works with gtk3 |
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| agris | which the gtk3 filepicker is completely busted and unusable |
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| mashiro_tan | That's sad |
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| agris | I hope i'm wrong on this and it's just a flag somewhere I'm not seeing but at least that's the case on qtbase gentoo |
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| agris | mashiro_tan, however you may want to look at https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git/ |
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| agris | I forked palemoon a while ago |
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| agris | removed all the proprietary theming and phoning home |
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| agris | it uses gtk2 |
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| mashiro_tan | Thanks, i'll give it a look then |
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| mashiro_tan | https://pastebin.com/WU9Y0zmP |
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| mashiro_tan | >The
QCString class stores a classic C-style '\0'-terminated string>The
QString class stores a 16-bit Unicode string. Unlike QCString, it isn't
'\0'-terminated, and it can embed '\0's. |
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| mashiro_tan | where's my line breakers |
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| mashiro_tan | how it even get compiled it that times |
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| mashiro_tan | oh i get it. Development libs is a bit outdated |
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| SlavekB | mashiro_tan, it seems to me that you used tdegraphics from the master branch, while tdelibs from r14.0.x branch. |
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| mashiro_tan | i've installed trinity from the trinity-sb branch |
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| mashiro_tan | >R14.0.8 [DEVELOPMENT] |
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| SlavekB | yes, this corresponds to tdelibs being from r14.0.x branch. |
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| SlavekB | And from what branch did you get the sources for tdegraphics? |
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| mashiro_tan | you're right, from master |
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| mashiro_tan | Tried
to make some edits in ksnapshot code (wanted to add instant region
capture), but failed. Any information about KDE3 app architecture and
runtime execution? |
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| mashiro_tan | Btw writing C++ code without IDE with suggestions and autocomplete is hard like hell |
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| denk | thanks tde, I fixed libusb for our platform |
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| selk | Hi Guys |
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| __Chris | selk: It's nice to see you keep improving things, selk. (Y) |
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| selk | __Chris: Thanks |
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| agris | _Chris_, have you ever used or played with the pkgsrc build system? |
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| agris | What do you thing of it compared to Portage? |
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| _Chris_ | agris: Not so far, but who knows what the future holds. Why you ask? |
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| agris | because I have been seriously considered alternatives to Gentoo and Portage |
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| agris | pkgsrc
looks from it's documentation to provide centralized buildflag
management, support for multiple versions of programs, and such |
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| agris | not sure how extensive or good things like slotting is yet |
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| agris | and the NetBSD community seems just as competent but without the ego turned up to 11 as in the Gentoo bugtracker |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I have heard something like that before already. And it seems pkgscr
has it's fans. Related to Portage: There was something called Paludis
and Exherbo. But it seems the people behind it have lost motivation. |
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| agris | the NetBSD operating system supports modern features like ZFS |
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| agris | and the best part is that not only the OS itself, but all of it's tooling including pkgsrc is portable |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, TDE has also someone keeping care and wanting to port TDE to NetBSD. But BSD support is still WIP from what I got. |
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| agris | meaning
it would not be a big deal if something were to happen to NetBSD pkgsrc
and it's tooling could be picked up and brought elsewhere |
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| agris | in fact, pkgsrc looks quite popular for Slackware |
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| _Chris_ | Back in the days, you could also use the BSD kernels inside Gentoo - Or that is still possible today, I don't know. :-) |
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| agris | so it's not just theoretical you have Slackers actually using the portable version |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, Greg, doing the CMake files is using Slackware too. |
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| agris | _Chris_, not anymore. I've had to remove those targets myself manually from my ebuilds to pass QA |
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| agris | and OpenRC itself comes from a NetBSD developer |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/Ray-V/tde-slackbuilds |
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| agris | so there is yet again a demonstration of competency and ability to develop with a vision in mind |
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| agris | I'm going to test this out myself with QEMU |
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| agris | but btw |
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| _Chris_ | OpenRC comes from a NetBSD developer? That's new to me. |
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| agris | _Chris_, I ended up giving up after trying to compile trinity for FreeBSD for 3 days straight |
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| agris | FreeBSD's ports system just was not powerful enough |
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| agris | it's like driving a sports car around and then having to go back to a flinstonesmobile |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but it's possible. I am sadly not into that, but BSD support of TDE
could be useful if anywhen in future Linux will be more bad. Having
options is always nice. The problem about BSD I always had was that it
seems to be more centralized. |
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| _Chris_ | That has pros but also cons. I know. |
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| agris | that is true |
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| agris | but at the same time if you have ever tried to replace GNU system componets |
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| agris | you will have realized there's a lot more work that has to be put in before it's actually usable |
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| agris | and Glibc is getting really bad at this point |
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| agris | for example try running a musl based linux operating system on bare metal vs a glibc one |
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| _Chris_ | The
good about Gentoo is, that, in theory, you can use it with musl,
different kernels, clang, gcc, what ever.. I very much liked the idea
behind. It's sad to see some variants of it dying. |
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| agris | BSDlibc is not as good as musl but it's a more than good enough compromise |
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| agris | _Chris_, in theory, but when you actually try and compile a musl/clang system theory differs greatly from reality |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is the reason I never started really to play with that.. :-) |
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| agris | if Linux gets bad enough, which is very well seems like it is |
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| agris | porting to a BSD may be a more worthwhile compromise than building my own linux system from actual scratch |
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| agris | all by myself |
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| _Chris_ | LFS
is something I thought about already, but I fear that would be more
complicated than Gentoo. Gentoo as some base is very nice. Having BSD
with all the freedom of Gentoo would be some alternative for me - But
then, were are again talking about Gentoo/Prefix. |
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| _Chris_ | Is there something you don't like about Portage in detail? |
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| _Chris_ | The
idea about Paludis was to implement in raw C or something like that,
not in bloated Python. But in practice that was not a lot faster, but a
lot more fragile.. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, I researched a bit about PaleMoon, but that would be too much
to write down here. But I found you can still build spidermonkey (JS)
without "ion", so jitless, also, you can disable the jit in
about:config, was that about you talked last time? It's some build
option. |
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| agris | _Chris_, I don't see any benefit of LFS over even FreeBSD unless you /had/ to run the Linux kernel for whatever reason |
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| agris | far as I'm concerned that would be the same except for even less tooling |
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| agris | automated tooling |
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| agris | Whereas all I need is a sane POSIX-like operating system with a long-term vision |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
seems that depends on the use case. Something with a long-term vision
is is hardly to find today, not only related to software.. |
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| agris | exactly.
a lot of software starts out innocent enough, and then starts adding
bodge after bodge after bodge for short-term needs and gains, with a
'well replace it later' mentality |
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| agris | with no regards to the software's future 10 or 20 years from now |
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| agris | let alone 5 |
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| agris | if a software's basic structure lasts for more than 5 years it certainly was doing something right |
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| _Chris_ | Right. After all, all that *kit fun was born that way. :-) |
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| agris | that or it was vendor-lockin |
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| agris | _Chris_, there's discussion on the Devuan mailinglist about consolekit vs elogid for starting synaptic as root |
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| _Chris_ | Layers over layers.. |
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| agris | and
I"m replying with "guys, what was wrong with what we did before all
this consolekit stuff, gksu or gksudo, simple graphical wrapper to sudo
for X" |
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| agris | I don't have a huge problem with Portage |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, therefore I am just strongly for having any polkit things in TDE optionally. That isn't needed by anyone. |
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| agris | the biggest problem with Portage is it's developer's ego |
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| _Chris_ | I don't have any problem with all that *kit things, or even systemd, if it isn't forced. |
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| agris | as you've seen the the bugtracker posts I linked |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, right. That is my impression too. |
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| agris | and as you've told me about the INSTALL_MASK drama |
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| agris | that they were removing the ability to override QA because some people were using it |
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| _Chris_ | But
we maybe just have to learn we can't depend anymore on them or other
people. World is moving and often not in a good direction. |
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| agris | and they didn't like that |
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| agris | so I'm not dead set on having Portage if something else can replace it's functionalities well enough |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but - That was a year or more ago and so far, nothing happened. It's
sad to say, but maybe it is clever don't to talk about such tricks.
Isn't that sad? Yes, sad. |
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| agris | Which is why I'm looking at pkgsrc |
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| agris | because there just aren't that many good choices for non-gentoo self-sufficient portage using operating systems out there |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I see. But I haven't looked into it. It's just not bad enough already
to motivate me here at Gentoo, you know? That INSTALL_MASK discussion
alarmed me very much, yes. |
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| agris | NetBSD from me reading the developer documentation and talking in their IRC chatroom seems to tick a lot of these boxes |
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| agris | and while it's not the /same/ tooling |
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| agris | it seems like equivalent tooling |
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| agris | pkgsrc:portage gcc:clang glibc:bsdlibc |
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| agris | both posixish |
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| _Chris_ | Obache is using NetBSD with TDE, from what I know. Maybe he is around this channel somewhen. |
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| agris | meaning porting is possible... if it's worth it |
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| agris | ZFS:ZFS is still there |
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| agris | but I am downloading the torrent right now |
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| agris | https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-9.0_RC2/iso/NetBSD-9.0_RC2-amd64.iso.torrent |
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| agris | so I'll see for sure |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/obache?tab=activity |
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| agris | _Chris_, currently I am still on Gentoo as well, but I am thinking about the future |
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| agris | what I want as a foundation to build my castle on |
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| _Chris_ | Just let me know how your experience is if you tested it. |
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| agris | _Chris_, will do |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| _Chris_ | I quite like the idea about the castle. |
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| agris | I have a special machine I use for this purpose of testing software speed and stability |
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| agris | It's a venerable Intel Core 2 Duo based system @ 1.2Ghz |
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| agris | If
something can not run decently enough to comfortably use on a machine
with those specs it's probably not worth looking further into |
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| agris | even
though I'm going to be running on much larger machines like modern
workstations, gaming machines, and big server systems this machine
providers me references to know exactly at what point is this a healthy
functionality:resource requirements tradeoff |
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| agris | really points out software bloat too |
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| agris | because
I've used this machine to do a lot of work on in the past, so if a
featured word processor ran fine on it n years ago, and then there's a
modern software word processor with the same exact featureset and it
either uses a similar amount of resources to perform the same tasks or
it uses gigabytes of ram and peggs the cpu and is laggy to do the same
exact tasks it's very telling |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know exactly what you mean. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way: I thought the Devuan people are not that crazy about the *kit
and systemd things. Wasn't that the reason they forked away from Debian?
Or is it *just* systemd, but likely things are okay? |
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| _Chris_ | And
about bloat: LibreOffice is some good example, or modern Webbrowsers,
more like some VM already. How good it was back in the days. You could
do all you can do now, but with less ressources. Today we mostly do the
same like in 2005, but still needing more and more ressources. Not to
talk about ideas like flat designs, people telling me they can't
identify if things are a button or not. |
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| agris | Microsoft Office 95 running just fine on a system with only 32/64MB of ram |
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| agris | but that method is not to be used if you getting additional functionality nor comparable to old software |
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| agris | like Vi vs Vim |
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| agris | btw in other news I purchased a moon pie for the first time ever |
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| _Chris_ | Around
2005/2008 a lot of things started to get strange. The year of the Linux
desktop should came, I still know about. But then they started to make
things "better". Starting with some smart ideas like moving the minimize
and maximize buttons on the titlebar to the left hand side and such
crazy ideas (Ubuntu). |
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| agris | it's very good candy |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| agris | can't believe I've never had one before |
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| _Chris_ | Moon
pie, quite some time since I have eaten that. But I have to go now.
Read you next days. You can let me know about your NetBSD experience. |
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| agris | seeya |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| agris | btw, the ubuntu thing. I think they were trying to copy osx |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
that was my impression back then too. If Linux would been ready when MS
came with Windows 8 around, it could be very spread around normal users
today. But no. At least we still have TDE. Let's keep it that way. :-) |
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| MicheleC | @_Chris_ |
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| MicheleC | Hier
können Sie den voreingestellten dateiverwaltung einrichten. Alle
TDE-Programme, die Zugriff auf ein solches Programm benötigen, sollten
diese dateiverwaltung verwenden. |
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| MicheleC | good enough? |
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| MicheleC | Any spanish or portoguese speaking person here? |
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| MicheleC | need some quick help with translation |
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| _Chris_ | "Hier
können Sie die voreingestellte Dateiverwaltung einrichten. Alle
TDE-Programme, die Zugriff auf ein solches Programm benötigen, sollten
diese Dateiverwaltung verwenden." |
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| _Chris_ | And good idea, by the way, Michele. (Y) |
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| MicheleC | Vielen dank |
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| _Chris_ | Some suggestion - To be consistent with the other options (I don't know if that is also in English) it should better be: |
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| _Chris_ | "Hier
können Sie die voreingestellte Dateiverwaltung einrichten. Alle
TDE-Programme, die Zugriff auf ein solches Programm benötigen, sollten
diese Einstellungen verwenden." |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell: Are you here, if so, it would be nice if you could help Michele with some string to translate. :-) |
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| MicheleC | any native speaker of any language other than english, italian, french, czech, spanish? |
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| denk | ru |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: For ES, Selk can add the translation later, if he is around. |
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| MicheleC | @denk |
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| MicheleC | Эта
служба позволяет настроить Файловый менеджер по умолчанию. Все
приложения TDE, которые вызывают Файловый менеджер, должны следовать
этому параметру. |
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| MicheleC | How is that? |
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| MicheleC | @Chris: for ES I can manage :-) |
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| denk | correct |
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| MicheleC | @Denk: thanks! |
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| _Chris_ | MicheleC: You are good. :-) |
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| MicheleC | just copy and paste from a couple of files and mixed together ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I noticed that, because you already used my new mainstreamed name for the filemanager. |
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| _Chris_ | But older translations you did in German were nearly perfect too I already saw. |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| vita_cell | _Chris_ I have some time right now |
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| _Chris_ | vita_cell:
That's wonderful. But it seems Michele got already ES now. But you can
verify. MicheleC, can you paste ES translation? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And RU translation was done already above, vita_cell. That should be okay that way? |
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| MicheleC | @vita_cell:
Este servicio le permite configurar su gestor de archivos predefinido.
Todas las aplicaciones TDE que invoquen un gestor de archivos deberían
reconocer esta opción. |
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| vita_cell | wait a bit |
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| vita_cell | it looks fine and makes sense, but this is also correct I think: |
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| vita_cell | http://dpaste.com/28MH3HQ |
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| MicheleC | What's
your preference? You can check TCC -> TDE Components -> Default
applications -> Terminal emulator for a comparison |
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| MicheleC | @denk: Логические игры |
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| MicheleC | ok? |
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| MicheleC | or @vita_cell |
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| vita_cell | means: logic games |
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| vita_cell | or: puzzle games |
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| MicheleC | yes, exactly |
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| vita_cell | MicheleC |
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| vita_cell | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle_video_game |
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| vita_cell | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BA%D0%B0_(%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%80_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80) |
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| vita_cell | same page |
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| vita_cell | hmmm the last, it is bad link, it doesnt want to copy properly |
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| MicheleC | I am adding a translation to the new file for "Logic games", so just wanted to check if the translation was ok |
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| vita_cell | just at this page (english), change the language to russian |
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| vita_cell | Russians call puzzle games as "Головоломка" (1 unit), in english it translates as brainbreaker, but means "a puzzle game" |
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| vita_cell | so call puzzle games as "головоломки" |
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| vita_cell | (more than 1 unit) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, more than one unit. Because it's a submenu for more than one games, right? :-) |
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| MicheleC | головоломки игры? |
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| MicheleC | ok? |
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| vita_cell | so russians dont call "Логические игры" as puzzle games, translate it as "головоломки" |
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| vita_cell | no, "головоломки игры" it is wrong |
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| vita_cell | only "головоломки" |
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| MicheleC | ok thanks (y) |
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| vita_cell | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80 |
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| vita_cell | list of game types in russian, list at the bottom |
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| _Chris_ | Funny, they used the KDE3 icon for that article. :-) |
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| vita_cell | lol |
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| vita_cell | yeah, Crystal Clear |
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| mashiro_tan_ | >Эта
служба позволяет настроить Файловый менеджер по умолчанию. Все
приложения TDE, которые вызывают Файловый менеджер, должны следовать
этому параметру |
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| mashiro_tan_ | suggestion: Все вызывающие Файловый менеджер приложения TDE должны следовать этому параметру |
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| mashiro_tan_ | or, another possible variant (depending on the context): ...(которые способны | , способные) вызывать Файловый менеджер,... |
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| _Chris_ | mashiro_tan_: Seems Michele already merged that change. So the RU translation is wrong now or could be improved? |
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| mashiro_tan_ | _Chris_: I'm not a linguist and it's just a suggestion, it may be worse than merged already. |
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| mashiro_tan_ | Some opinion from vita_cell also needed for this suggestions. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, just talk about that and if you found consens with vita_cell I can fix that. There is no problem about that. :-) |
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| vita_cell | Все вызывающие Файловый менеджер приложения TDE должны следовать этому параметру |
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| vita_cell | wrong |
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| vita_cell | Все приложения TDE вызывающие файловый менеджер, должны следовать этому параметру |
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| vita_cell | or without "," |
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| vita_cell | Все приложения TDE вызывающие файловый менеджер должны следовать этому параметру |
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| mashiro_tan_ | Nope, original variant with two commas was correct |
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| vita_cell | Все приложения TDE, вызывающие файловый менеджер, должны следовать этому параметру |
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| mashiro_tan_ | But really i don't see any logic difference with my variant |
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| vita_cell | because this doesnt make sense: Все вызывающие Файловый менеджер приложения TDE должны следовать этому параметру |
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| mashiro_tan_ | Why "Все приложения TDE" needs to be coming first? |
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| mashiro_tan_ | >because this doesnt make sense |
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| mashiro_tan_ | smoother readability imho |
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| vita_cell | All (all what?) calling file explorer applications TDE must to follow this parameter |
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| mashiro_tan_ | Ahem, russian language is kinda different from english |
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| vita_cell | it is very very different |
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| _Chris_ | Some
reminder here: It should be consistent with the rest of the entries in
TCC -> TDE Components -> Default Applications. The texts are more
or less identically. |
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| denk | two men have 8 opinions, just choose correct one |
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| mashiro_tan_ | just leave it as is then |
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| _Chris_ | It
can be changed to any time. Slavek is working hard to bring translation
of desktop files to Weblate. So that will be much more easy in future
to work on that. At least it is translated now. :-) |
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| mashiro_tan_ | Today
needed to make scan some docs and make a pdf file, succesfully scanned
them, but after printing to pdf got broken 70byte file. Forgot to
install something? |
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| Real | They're not in ~/.trinity/Autostart/ |
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| mashiro_tan | >The channel topic is "Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.6 is out |
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| mashiro_tan | time to update this i think |
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| denk | ready for platform review, I hope I did not break anything |
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| selk | Hi _Chris_ |
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| selk | One question, your TDE setup is with 'pmount' only? |
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| selk | You don't have udevil, etc., true? |
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| selk | Hi MicheleC :-) |
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| MicheleC | Hi Matias |
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| MicheleC | thanks for your contribution to TDE in recent weeks |
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| MicheleC | keep it up (y) |
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| selk | You welcome, glad to be useful. :-) |
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| selk | Thanks to rename the 'release_notes' script. |
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| MicheleC | dev team is slowing growing :-D |
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| selk | Nice! |
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| MicheleC | @release_notes: yeah, because it goes into bin folder |
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| selk | The next release will be awesome |
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| selk | There is a estimated date? |
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| MicheleC | R14.0.8 will be release in April |
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| MicheleC | special edition ;-) stay tuned |
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| selk | Sure! |
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| MicheleC | and we want to release R14.1.0 before end of year if we can finish the few remaining points on the list |
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| selk | It is a good plan |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| _Chris_ | selk:
Yes, just with pmount only and by the way, Michele was so kind and
re-added this options back, so you can build again without udisks and
udevil in R14.1.0 too - Like it is now in stable. So you should be happy
too. Why you ask? :-) |
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| selk | _Chris_: I've added pmount, recently |
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| selk | Probably I will switch to TDE -current (from git) |
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| selk | To test if works with pmount or udevil |
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| _Chris_ | But from what I know, your problems were not related to that, right? |
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| selk | I think so :p |
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| _Chris_ | You can try to build without tdehwlib. |
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| _Chris_ | So
if the problems are from that, it should work. At the same time we know
if the problems are from this. But from what I know you are still
testing in some VM, right? |
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| selk | Yes, still on the VM... |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe that is related to that. So if you want to test still on the VM, just try without tdehwlib. |
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| selk | I will try, thanks _Chris_. |
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| denk | http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/dilos/tde/kdiskfree.png it knows now zfs and other illumos specific file systems |
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| denk | I'd like to integrate this small path into the main tree |
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| MicheleC | feel free to prepare PR Denis :-) |
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| denk | thanks |
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| pitriss | Hi guys.. Any ideas about what package in debian is containing smbumount or umount.cifs? |
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| SlavekB | cifs-utils? |
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| pitriss | I'll doublecheck this as i have it installed and smb4k still complain about these |
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| SlavekB | oh, it seems we should update the dependencies for smb4k! |
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| pitriss | Ok
I displayed content in kpackage and these two are not present.. and I
also tried to search via packages.debian site and nothing was found..
one occurence in experimental in kwartz-client |
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| SlavekB | Hmm, but neither smbumount nor umount.cifs seems to be included in the current Debian stable. |
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| SlavekB | pitriss you can create an issue in TGW so that it is not forgotten? |
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| pitriss | I don't have installed whole samba here |
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| pitriss | I'll try..;) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: done. I would like to investigate it further but my free time is now really limited. Sorry about that |
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| SlavekB | Ok. The point is that it is reported. |
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| denk | PR has created, please review it |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?fa8640300fedd189#ER9l+wye1rF1owlRPXOhyzIyGkFY+s+cIzZqMc/N7VA= is it ok for your code style? |
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| SlavekB | denk, yes, that looks fine. |
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| denk | nice, freebsd kernel style, I like it |
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| SlavekB | Denk,
I started merging your PR in tde-packaging, but after the first two I
noticed that some of them have a strange git commit log: "restore
original version generator" |
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| SlavekB | Please, can you check it out and replace it with something more accurate? |
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| SlavekB | For already merged PR we will leave it as it is now. |
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| denk | SlavekB: they all have the same changes (most of them) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, but these changes don't look like "restore original version generator" :) |
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| SlavekB | At the same time, the DilOS prefix is missing - to make it clear what packaging and package it is related. |
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| denk | how to fix it now? :) |
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| SlavekB | You can use "git commit --amend" to fix comment and then "git push origin HEAD -f" to update existing branch on TGW. |
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| denk | ok, I will try to do it |
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| denk | SlavekB: please review this: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/pulls/37 |
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| SlavekB | Now description is ok, but is missing your "Signed-off-by: ..." |
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| denk | huh, forgot to add -s |
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| denk | once again :) |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| SlavekB | netpbm [solaris-any] stated in Replaces for tdelibs-trinity? |
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| SlavekB | It seems strange to me that tdelibs14-trinity would provide what the netpbm package was. |
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| SlavekB | Option |
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| SlavekB | -DLIB_SUFFIX="/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)" |
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| SlavekB | seems duplicated. |
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| SlavekB | The same is on line 28 and 61. |
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| SlavekB | comment |
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| SlavekB | #-DUSE_QT3 |
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| SlavekB | on line 23 probably can be removed :) |
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| denk | netpbm provides some binary file (in /usr/bin) that conflicts with tde |
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| denk | you install tde in /opt and did not see it |
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| denk | fixed doublicates |
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| SlavekB | denk so far I haven't found a reason why imagetops is part of tdelibs instead of being referring to imagetops from netpbm. |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, here is problem to pass netpbm to Replaces, because imagetops
refer to scripts like jpegtopnm, pngtopnm and so on, that are included
in netpbm. |
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| SlavekB | So without netpbm package, script imagetops cannot work. |
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| SlavekB | This seems to need another solution. |
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| SlavekB | I'll make a note about it in your PR at TGW. |
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| denk | I will show you that conflict, but not now |
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| denk | I need to rebuild it |
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| SlavekB | denk,
for example, we can use dpkg-divert to prevent conflict. Or we can
investigate if we can omit the installation of this script. |
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| SlavekB | As I can see, script imagetops was added to netpbm in 2014. |
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| SlavekB | In the meantime, you leave your PR as it is. Here we will need to prepare some solution in tdelibs repository. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, thank you for your good work! |
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| denk | and you too |
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| x74 | Hmm, is there any option to not use any polkit agent with q5 or gtk in deps, but save ability to use polkit rights management? |
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| _Chris_ | That might was the wrong channel. |
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| mashiro_tan | >That might was the wrong channel. |
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| mashiro_tan | _Chris_:
I don't think that. Since TDE is all-in-one environment and some user
may want to setup a clean TDE system, it will be useful for them |
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| mashiro_tan | Looks
like Trinity will be unusable in some cases without polkit agent, but i
don't think that sticking with gnome-polkit is a good idea. |
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| mashiro_tan | >pkg_search_module( XRANDR xrandr>=1.2 ) gives me "xrandr support was required, but not found on your system" |
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| mashiro_tan | but at the same time >pkg-config --libs "xrandr >= 1.2" returns a flag "-lXrandr" |
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| mashiro_tan | Is there any known solutions? |
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| mashiro_tan | Somehow
managed to achieve the fully featured debugging. Thanks to cmake
authors, Eclipse project files can be generated for any cmake-based
project. |
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| mashiro_tan | https://files.catbox.moe/lf9c22.png |
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| mashiro_tan | if someone wants try this too https://pastebin.com/qSbSgzjk note that "build" folder needs to be beside the "tdegraphics/tdelibs/etc" folder, not in |
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| SlavekB | https://www.waterfox.net/blog/waterfox-has-joined-system1/ |
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| Real | I wonder if Mailman7 supports image attachments, because I just sent a msg to user mailing list yasterday with images attached |
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| SlavekB | Mailman 7? As far as I know, the current version is mailman 3. |
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| Real | Hahahaha My keyboard is busted, I didn't type that 7 |
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| Real | What about my initial question? |
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| Real | So, nobody knows if Trinity's user mailing list supports image attachments or not? |
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| Real | WOW |
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| Real | I just came across http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:202002 |
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| Real | Apprently your mailing lists doesn't support bold text, which made my previous masseges go into thin air |
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| Real | THIS SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR ON THE WEBSITE |
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| Real | Cannot decode string with wide characters |
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| Real | For
help, please send mail to the webmaster (kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net),
giving this error message and the time and date of the error. |
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| _Chris_ | Keep
down a bit please, okay? So it is nice you came about that. So that can
be improved in next time. Right now much about the server
infrastructure is on review and rebuild anyway and I am sure it will
migrate away from that domain anyway in future. So you know now and you
can re-send it, okay? :-) |
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| SlavekB | There is no problem with formatted text delivery. Only the current web archive displays it as plain text. |
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| _Chris_ | Sending your email to that email address will not bring your feedback anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Related to that webmaster message. |
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| Real | Then why is it there? |
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| _Chris_ | Because
it is old and much is in rework right now and will be better. Same as
there is gitea now and not bugzilla anymore. But all that keeps time and
work. So please be kind and make the best from what works and is
existing right now. :-) |
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| Real | "Keep
down a bit please, okay?" I thought this was an internet relay CHAT,
just because you're all awfully silent doesn't mean I should mimic you. |
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| Real | oh, you're offended because of my complaint? |
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| _Chris_ | All
is fine, okay? Just writing in capitals could be taken as a bit angry,
you know? We are all friendly here. At least the most, I think. :-) |
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| Real | I know, that's why I did it |
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| SlavekB | Mailing
lists and archive are waiting to be migrated to the new server. Before
that, we need to migrate the existing archive to a new server => to
do that we need Tim, but Tim is very busy for a long time == we have to
wait. |
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| _Chris_ | So, I have nothing to at to that. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | Real: And Tim was the original founder of TDE. |
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| Real | This
is not about tim, this is not about your infrastrcture rebuild. The
road map should be more visible/announced, otherwise it's a
developers-centered community made by developers for developers not
regular users, that doesn't necessarily include taking ideas of ignorant
users as a compass, more like taking common sense as a compass |
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| Real | I shouldn't have to engage in your IRC for a hour in order to find out about this |
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| Real | Yeah I know whost Tim |
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| Real | who is* |
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| _Chris_ | Some news about some current infrastructure plans could be added. |
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| Real | If
he's such a busy guy, and you're here managing both the IRC channel and
Bugzilla, that means he has given you the implicit task of managing the
community, which you're making a terrible job at |
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| Real | Developers only care about code, I'm a developer too but I have a much mroe balanced mindset |
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| mashiro_tan_ | Wow |
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| _Chris_ | agris:
Just came around your Audacious vs GTK2 Gentoo fight. Was interesting
to see your name there too, by random and well, the good old arguments
and tricks to ban GTK2. Another one I just can shake my head about. |
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| agris | _Chris_, do you think anything I said was out of line or inappropriate? |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way. The trick with the GNOME team to define the GTK USE to pull in
*any* GTK version is another one to bring users to the point to confuse
them, because every Gentoo user which is not totaly stupid knows that
just using GTK will pull in the whole time GTK3. But they made it much
better since some time, they switched the default engine of GTK2 to
adwaita, which has (by random) some GTK3 dependency, so they try to
double trick |
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| _Chris_ | you with giving you GTK3 as companion if you try to emerge GTK2. Isn't that some genius idea? ... |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
I had could you say before that this will bring nothing. Maybe I am
much too pessimistic about this things. But beeing kind to them will
make no difference. The reason for users to keep GTK2 and use some GTK2
port is very clear. If you would have outlined that in detail, they
would have another reason to say it will not happen anymore. By the way,
another trick: They outline this users can just use the old GTK2
codepath with |
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| _Chris_ | emerging the older ebuild - In well known, that well be treecleaned just some time later.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *will |
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| agris | _Chris_> you with giving you GTK3 as companion if you try to emerge GTK2. Isn't that some genius idea? ... |
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| agris | I opened a ticket about that too |
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| agris | CLOSED WONTFIX |
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| agris | gtk2 pulls in gtk3 |
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| _Chris_ | https://gpo.zugaina.org/AJAX/Ebuild/40287866/View |
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| _Chris_ | Right.
I just searched for that, because I had seen some bug about that some
time ago and wondered if that was not fixed. So I haven't found it
anymore, because they closed it.. Well.. |
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| _Chris_ | That's just bad. Bad in some evil way. |
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| _Chris_ | Sometimes
I have the feeling some people are just paid by Redhat for every user
they bring to install GTK3 or something like that. |
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| agris | _Chris_, I've been holding off on opening a Gentoo HR report on the way things have been going down on the bug tracker |
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| _Chris_ | That said - That dependency of GTK3 is not needed to either run, nor to build GTK2. |
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| agris | last time i looked into it gtk2 does not directly depend on gtk3 |
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| agris | gtk2 -> adwaita iconset -> gtk3 |
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| _Chris_ | No, it does not. Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | But it is the same. |
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| _Chris_ | And I am pretty sure it is by intention. |
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| agris | because icons need software for whatever reason |
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| _Chris_ | So users are getting used to by the GTK3 dictatorship.. |
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| agris | I was first attracted to Gentoo because their motto was "to target anything and everything" |
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| _Chris_ | If
GTK3 is on your system, you have lost anyway. If they have reached that
point, they can just remove the GTK2 support silently with typical
tricks. It's the same way things are done to our political system today. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, once I was that too. |
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| _Chris_ | I am still. |
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| _Chris_ | The thing is, there our a lot of users like us out there. There is the need to connect them. |
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| agris | and now I cannot even volunteer to maintain code if it's against the redhat agenda |
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| agris | same crap happened with Debian |
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| agris | which is why I left Debian for gentoo |
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| _Chris_ | And
that's a lot of work and time consuming and maybe it will bring nothing
anyway. Because it's like in the real world. You can sue someone, but
winning and getting your right in practice is a difference, I know that
very well. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, it's really sad they even crap about things people are willing to keep care of. |
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| agris | and
the other bullcrap is that I can't even send a pull request to an open
source project without signing up for a Microsoft account |
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| _Chris_ | About
your argument about GIMP toolkit - That makes sense and I know what you
mean, but today it isn't effective. Talking about Redhat and such
things isn't very effective either. But forcing users if something
advertises about freedom is some valid argument. It isn't the case they
came with valid reasons like maintainance burden or so. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that is some reason TDE has it's own GH. Very, very good the idea had about that. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *Slavek |
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| agris | _Chris_, |
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| agris | I have a strong feeling I'm going to become the XFCE equivalent of the TDE project |
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| agris | the more shady stuff that happens in the gentoo tree the more my localrepo grows |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
I would have like it Mate had kept GTK2 support too. They thing is that
such a project is a lot of work, you should know that. You know, I
think. |
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| _Chris_ | About the localrepo - Same for me. |
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| agris | as
I pull out or go and search through gentoo.git for the last good
ebuild, then search through upstream for the last good release |
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| agris | _Chris_, I think it's less work than mate |
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| agris | mate is a fork of gnome2 |
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| agris | gnome2 is very large |
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| agris | XFCE 4.12 is much newer than gnome2 and more or less a re implementation of it |
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| agris | also written originally by a much more conservative mindset |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but if you want to do it serious, you have to start some website and
bugtracker and so - Okay, you can do that also with some repo, but.. |
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| agris | the most complex code is the gimp toolkit itself |
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| agris | which is pretty mature. yeah it's a bit of a mess but it doesn't need to be touched except in rare occasions |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
it would be good to have some XFCE GTK2 fork. I have looked at the GTK2
repo meanwhile and it seems there is simply no fork, because there is
still activity for fixing bugs and such things upstream for it. |
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| agris | _Chris_, what gtk2 repo? |
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| agris | I thought you said it didn't exist yet |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/tree/gtk-2-24 |
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| _Chris_ | With
some ebuild, we could get ride also of some patches and things from
Gentoo. The marshall problem which is talked about in the ebuild - Fixed
with latest master. So some years I think there will be still commits
to. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way - You can try to build your own UXP based browser with
hiddenvisibility. I tried to build PM with it - Works nice. I also
ripped a lot of (for me) crap. But I need to create some seperate
overlay for that anytime. |
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| agris | _Chris_, this is my desktop right now |
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| agris | https://0x0.st/iXNh.png |
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| agris | completely gtk2+qt5 |
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| agris | and I even got the gtk2 theme engine translation to qt5 working flawlessly |
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| agris | the only gtk3 thing left is literally the bandwidth monitor tin the top right |
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| agris | and that's an easy fix |
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| _Chris_ | Nice.
I think the idea about some XFCE GTK2 fork is a good one. You see, if
you are dedicated to that it could last a long time - See TDE. You
should create some threads about in some forums, like the Gentoo forum
to check is people want to see that. |
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| _Chris_ | What was the reason you joined this channel, by the way? Are you using TDE too? |
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| agris | and
regarding bugfixes, what isn't already upstream of the gnome 2.24
branch there are treasure troves of downstream patches archived from
things like the Debian project Archives |
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| agris | that if I fork I could evaluate and upstream myself |
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| agris | *gtk 2.24 i mean |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, good idea. TDE started this way too, just with Ubuntu.. |
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| agris | as you can see I've got my system up and running |
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| agris | so it's not vaporware I'm talking about here |
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| agris | btw (that's the netbsd iso i was burning. I'm testing it on hardware now) |
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| agris | _Chris_, yes I use TDE too |
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| _Chris_ | Before
I re-joined to use TDE, I was some WM + GTK2 applications user (Because
I never switched to KDE4 after KDE3), you know? Therefore I know how
important GTK2 can be, if you want avoid GTK3 and Qt5 and such things. |
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| agris | before
I got my XFCE system back up to it's former glory as it is now I was
exploring jumping yet again to another desktop environment |
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| _Chris_ | Great. |
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| agris | and all of the others looked like they were going to shit too |
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| agris | except trinity |
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| agris | and
even now I still use trinity when I want something sane without a lot
of work and I still keep it as a fallback in case the XFCE fork doesn't
work out |
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| agris | one of the important things about TDE is how well it integrates with GTK2 |
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| agris | so even if I screw up maintaining XFWM most of my work can be directly carried into TDE |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
there were people out there back in time saying TDE users and
developers are skeptical about change. That might be a bit true I think.
At least not change of the change will - Change where is makes sense.
After all, TDE users have some traumata after they experienced what KDE
people did with KDE4 back then. :-) |
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| agris | I also see TDE as having very similar goals |
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| agris | and there's a lot that I'm doing that could be merged with TDE |
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| _Chris_ | Do you have some example of that? |
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| agris | yeah |
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| _Chris_ | Just interested. |
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| agris | userspace utils like xfburn, viewnoir, thuanar, etc |
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| agris | they are designed as standalone utils |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
GTK2 integrates very well into TDE - Therefore it is important for TDE
too in some way. At least I think here are more PaleMoon GTK2 users than
GTK3, even if they just read that and not ping around.. :-) |
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| agris | not super-duper integrated with any one DE |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, yes, at least I used.. xarchiver some time in TDE. But that was just I used it before re-exploring TDE/KDE3. |
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| _Chris_ | But then, then they (Gentoo) used this trick again and bumped the version, hardcoding GTK3. |
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| _Chris_ | But upstream was still supporting GTK2. Surprise. |
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| _Chris_ | The
question would be, if the GNOME people would allow you to work on the
old GTK2 branch to backport fixes and such - If they are doing it not by
there own anyway right now still. |
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| agris | oh yeah |
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| agris | _Chris_, |
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| agris | I've been maintaining engrampa and a few xapps before mate screwed them over too |
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| agris | https://0x0.st/iXqz.png |
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| _Chris_ | I
think I came around a lot of your fights in the bugtracker, but I am
sorry I not joined them, because I was aware of that will not change
anything. Maybe I was wrong about, I don't know. |
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| _Chris_ | Nice. |
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| _Chris_ | The thing about MATE is, that from the code, from what I have seen they had could kept easy the GTK2 compatibility. |
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| _Chris_ | I think there would have even people to keep care of. |
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| agris | system-monitor as well, which was also part of the xapps-project before that went to crap as well https://0x0.st/iXqi.png |
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| _Chris_ | That's nice. So, if you have some server, you could fork the XFCE code repos and host some gitea, like TDE does. |
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| agris | I host stuff on cgit |
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| _Chris_ | Well, okay, but it is really handy and it motives people to join to work on. |
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| _Chris_ | That said - I was and I am still skeptical about this GH kind things. |
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| agris | GH? |
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| _Chris_ | Github. |
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| agris | oh that |
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| agris | I used to be on github |
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| agris | I deleted everything 1 month before the sellout was finalized |
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| _Chris_ | I like very much TDE is hosting it's own code. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I have seen that comming before. |
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| agris | I
didn't want my data to be sold and i was afraid that because of the
ownership change, they would still keep my private data even after
account deletion |
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| agris | if I wanted until after the sellout |
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| _Chris_ | I
see also that projects/people depending on Qt any longer will end up
beeing unhappy in some ways. They just started to get more comercial. |
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| agris | gitlab is proprietary, slow, bloated, and overuses javascript to the point it bugged out constantly in any browser except chrome |
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| agris | I looked at gitea as well |
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| _Chris_ | Well - I hate Gitlab. |
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| agris | and it seemed sane but was way more features than I needed |
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| agris | then I looked at kernel.org |
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| agris | they seem to be ableto managed a large project just fine |
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| agris | they have two things |
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| agris | cgit and a mailing list |
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| agris | so does OpenBSD |
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| _Chris_ | Gitea
is nice. I just hope they keep it that way and yes, I know the feature
problem. It is hard to find something very fitting for everyone. |
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| agris | and they use git-am to submit patches to the mailinglist |
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| agris | which git-mbox can import automaticly |
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| agris | also, with a mailinglist no registration or accepting of terms or services or privacy policies needed. just an email |
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| agris | perfectly distributed |
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| agris | easy to maintain |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
that can work, but you know what? If the barriers for new users to
contribute are high, you will end up to keep care of a lot of things
alone. If you are okay with that, okay, but I don't think so. TDE got
more contributors and translators since ever, since Slavek started
Weblate and Gitea. |
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| agris | do you think that was the only factor? |
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| _Chris_ | I understand you well - I am puristic about such things too. But I just tell what I have experienced. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it seems it was a big factor. |
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| _Chris_ | Before you could register to bugzilla, add some patch and such. |
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| _Chris_ | Or make some commits (GIT) for translating. |
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| agris | and did it seem like it was a quantity over quality type thing? |
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| agris | or was it the same general quality but more collaboration? |
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| _Chris_ | No, likely quality. You don't have to forget about scaling. People can learn and are getting better too. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, it seems to me a big barrier still is to register to some platform - Why ever that is. |
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| agris | you don't have to register with email |
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| _Chris_ | I know. |
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| agris | but I would be open to setting up bugzilla |
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| agris | if it does in fact demonstrably make it easier on contributors as you say it does |
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| _Chris_ | At
least a bit of, yes. But you should think about the future. Migrating
away from it after some year or so could be not so nice. |
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| _Chris_ | That is still not done for TDE, so bugzilla is still up. |
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| agris | that's a thing too |
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| agris | with mailing lists it's as simple as an mbox or a maildir |
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| agris | using standard BSD tooling |
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| _Chris_ | Personaly? I would use Gitea. At least if they don't start to make the interface.. *better*, all should be fine. |
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| agris | with a bugtracker 'web application' there's a whole database and server-side scripting i'd have to maintain |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, as you like. |
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| agris | maybe if I didn't host the gitea instance myself and I could find someone I trust to |
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| agris | I am open to gitea |
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| _Chris_ | It's just such a nice workflow too. |
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| agris | I would disagree |
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| agris | I'm going to prefer a distributed solution that I can automated with bash aliases |
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| agris | but like I said I'm open to compromise |
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| _Chris_ | Well, attaching again some patch mutiple times or sending to some ML isn't much fun, I think. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, maybe you can do it that way too. Try it. How you like. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
in some years, maybe we will talk here again, and you will point me to
the bug reports about Gentoo people ripping of X support. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | By the way - Next DE's will ban use of colors. I know it. I say it today. You will see. :-P |
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| _Chris_ | At least for icons. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
really interesting how small the world is. I came around mutiple people
here in this channel back in the past - By random, like you because of
your bugreports in Gentoo. But we all ended up here. Funny. |
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| agris | I still remember the gtk2 vs gtk3 color picking widget |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, what was it about exactly? |
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| agris | went
from actually having something a person who knows how colors work, like
you have in gimp right now, to literally only a selection from a
predetermined pallet |
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| agris | comparible to Windows 10 theming settings |
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| agris | >Well,
in some years, maybe we will talk here again, and you will point me to
the bug reports about Gentoo people ripping of X support. :-P |
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| agris | that will be the day |
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| _Chris_ | It will come. |
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| _Chris_ | There is some quote. |
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| _Chris_ | "Past behavior predicts future behavior." |
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| _Chris_ | Simple, but very important. |
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| _Chris_ | About
the Gentoo HR report, let me know if you want to do that. Maybe, if we
want to do that, we should plan it. Maybe it would be great if that
fails to start own overlays than - So no one can blame us if we
advertise them, because Gentoo didn't wanted to keep care of that users. |
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| _Chris_ | We should advertise that report than, so we get some croud unhappy with the current state, with references, examples and such. |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting
to see it seems that developer from the Audacious bug report you had
the fun with I think was the same one with the idea to ban INSTALL_MASK.
Just noticed it, because of the name. In the Gentoo forum he is likely
named. |
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| _Chris_ | And by the way, surprise. It is the exactly same one bashing TDE. |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, can you please repeat the last few lines of scrollback |
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| tom_work | nvidia drivers crashed X again |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, which ones you mean? |
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| tom_work | idk |
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| tom_work | maybe last 15 lines or so |
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| _Chris_ | http://trinitydesktop.org/irc/logs_current.html :-) |
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| tom_work | thanks |
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| _Chris_ | It seems that is working again now. |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, if that's what you think should be done i'm open to doing it as well |
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| _Chris_ | That would be nice to have you on board too, Tom. (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, I wanted to ask you something, because recently that
discussion came up in the TDE overlay. You are running Gentoo on arm
with TDE, right? |
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| tom_work | it
would be good to gather links of tickets and forum posts with that
stuff going on, as well as anyone else you know in a similar point so
that a formal joint complaint can be filed |
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| tom_work | no |
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| tom_work | gentoo on x64 |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly.
There are a lot of good examples, also from the forums. At first it
would be interesting to get some overview. By the way, E. which does the
TDE overlay with me had made same experience. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, okay, so I was wrong. It was about adding the arm arch keyword to the ebuilds. |
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| tom_work | netbsd on real hardware is weird |
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| tom_work | and it makes my computer make strange noises |
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| _Chris_ | So you have already experience with that. |
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| * _Chris_ laughs. |
| tom_work | just compiled and installed vim |
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| tom_work | xor...i mean kmod_i915 crashes the framebuffer on launch |
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| tom_work | but I'm running 9RC2 not stable so breakage is to be expected |
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| tom_work | otherwise seems like a sane system |
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| tom_work | in fact one thing that really jumps out is how responsive it is |
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| _Chris_ | It
is also very sad to see how much ebuilds are rotting for years, often
decades in bugzilla of Gentoo, never added. Or related to game ebuilds,
that were are ebuilds really a lot of better, but the inferior ebuild is
kept in Portage. That, even if the contributor of that offers to keep
care of it in future. At the same time, get get "Gentoo is dying"
threads in the Gentoo forum and they blame the lack of manpower. I
simply can't |
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| _Chris_ | understand that, you know? |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. After all I have read, I think, that the PSX used some netbsd kernel back in the days. |
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| tom_work | 21M wired |
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| _Chris_ | Are you using the overlay we are working on, by the way, or the old Fat-Zer one, or self-compiled all? |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, well the thing about Gentoo is that is has portage |
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| tom_work | so the manpower needed is a lot lower |
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| tom_work | since it's source based distro |
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| tom_work | but you and I both know what is really killing Gentoo |
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| tom_work | the Hostility and ego of some of the devs |
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| tom_work | drives would-be maintainers away |
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| _Chris_ | Right,
but testing and keeping care of the ebuilds - I see the point. But just
keeping some USE of GTK2, for example. Really, that isn't some reason.
If something depends on some old pango version, which breaks with a
newer one and upstream is dead - Yes, I can more or less see a valid
reason. But if people offer help there - I can't see the reason anymore. |
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| _Chris_ | Right. We know that. But if the one above them are likely, there isn't really a point to convince them. |
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| tom_work | well there is no point in not trying |
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| _Chris_ | But
it seems there is some selection of them. Like I wrote, the one we
talked about seems to cause problems with his attitude all over the
place. |
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| tom_work | if that turns out to be the case then we know where our cards lay |
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| _Chris_ | Right, it seems no one will do it otherwise. |
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| tom_work | wait what are you saying? |
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| tom_work | it's not just one |
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| _Chris_ | No, it isn't just one. |
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| tom_work | OH MY |
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| tom_work | _Chris_, |
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| tom_work | I was re-reading top |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| tom_work | 20MB is being taken by the broken X server |
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| tom_work | the whole system is minus Xorg is using single-digit amounts of ram |
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| tom_work | (NetBSD) |
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| tom_work | that must be why it feels so damn responsive |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, NetBSD is known for that. |
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| tom_work | holy crap |
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| tom_work | dude this is better than Linux 1.X |
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| _Chris_ | You can run it on a toaster too. :-) |
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| tom_work | apparently on a VAX station |
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| tom_work | Where have you been all my life NetBSD? |
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| tom_work | I could have used this so much in embedded development |
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| _Chris_ | Never
run it on some real Hardware. But it's good to know TDE can run on it
too. Obache is running NetBSD with TDE, I think. Also contributing a lot
of patches related to NetBSD. |
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| tom_work | UNIX-like multitasking os but in single digit ram |
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| _Chris_ | That sounds really interesting. |
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| tom_work | I need to test this on a raspberry pi |
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| _Chris_ | How nice Gentoo/Prefix isn't anymore. Gentoo/NetBSD would be much fun. |
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| tom_work | I don't know if that's practical yet for a desktop |
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| tom_work | still testing |
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| tom_work | fun yes |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
that is my plan. To make the overlay as generic and open as possible.
Maybe users still run such combinations. So the ebuilds could be used
that way. It seems it was very useable, back in days. Today it seems to
be broken. Agris seems to have used it until some time ago, but then it
started to fail on all QA checks. |
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| _Chris_ | But I think that was Gentoo/OpenBSD.. |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_NetBSD |
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| _Chris_ | You are to late for your dream. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | *too |
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| tom_work | Netooo |
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| tom_work | ah man |
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| tom_work | discontinued like gentoo-kfreebsd |
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| tom_work | oh |
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| _Chris_ | Right. That is sad. |
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| tom_work | amazon wants to interview me for 'cloud engineer' |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| luke-jr | fatal: unable to access 'https://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tdepim/': Failed to connect to scm.trinitydesktop.org port 443: Connection timed out |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr, I tried to open the url and the content loaded properly. |
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| Chris__ | It seems to work for me too.. |
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| luke-jr | :/ |
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| Fleck | hey,
how is drag&drop working nowadays? For example screenshot app to
latest google chrome? I know before it didn't work, it was like we had
two different drag & drop systems, haven't tried trinity, but I like
it a lot! |
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| Fleck | IMO best KDE version |
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| Chris__ | With
chrome and/or Firefox/PaleMoon and so, that *should* work with dbus.
TDE should be able to do that. That said - I not use it. |
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| Fleck | will try, thank you Chris__ |
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| Fleck | I have this weird menu problem, when I click Kmenu or right click on desktop, menu fades in, then blinks once, ideas? |
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| Chris__ | Try to deactivate the desktop effects. Maybe you are using the compositor, but have activated the effects still. |
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| Chris__ | Menu effects in the style module of the control center should be deactivated in this case. |
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| Fleck | appearance -> Style -> Effects, disabled, now is OK! |
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| Chris__ | :-) |
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| Fleck | next question, sound is like 1+seconds late, ideas? :D |
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| Chris__ | Yes. |
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| Chris__ | Control
Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound system -> Try to
play with the sound buffer. Try to lower it a bit, or try to activate
real time priority. |
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| Chris__ | Lowering the buffer should do the trick too. |
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| Fleck | OK, its set to minimum now, will see, btw, drag and drop from ksnapshot to chrome is not working |
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| Chris__ | Hm. |
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| Fleck | TQImageIO::write: No such image format handler: JP2 |
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| Fleck | this is what ksnapshot print in terminal while I am dragging image to chrome |
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| Chris__ | Yes. To be honest, I have no idea. I can't test it neither. |
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| Fleck | ok thanks anyway! :) |
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| a-865 | is there a solution for tdm.service 14.0.8pre33 not starting in Bullseye? |
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| a-865 | oops, I meant sid |
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| agris | Chris__, |
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| * Chris__ pings back. |
| agris | oh hey Chris__ |
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| agris | Now Andre has marked Porthole for removal |
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| agris | I wanted to ask you if you've contacted the other people you mentioned for marking a format hr for gentoo |
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| Chris__ | No,
I haven't contacted anyone. Was busy with private things more or less.
Was Porthole not the frontend for Portage? If so, I was assuming it was
long removed and not working anymore for a long time. |
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| agris | yes it's the frontend for portage and no it works i have it right here |
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| Chris__ | Oh,
if so, I have that could be interesting to bring KPackage Gentoo
support maybe to work again. But without seen the bug report about, I
think that removal has to do with their idea to get ride of Python_2.x
too. |
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| agris | yes |
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| agris | python 2.7 |
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| agris | and pygtk |
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| agris | It's really stupid |
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| Chris__ | I never used it, because ten years ago, there was talk it is not working anymore. Sad I never got my hand on that. |
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| agris | python2.7 doesn't even conflict with anything |
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| agris | it's more or less it's own language |
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| Chris__ | Yes, but security and EOL things, you know? There is already a Python 2 fork. |
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| agris | I can live without it |
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| Chris__ | Taython. |
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| agris | Taython? |
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| agris | so why don't they just make a Taython ebuild that provides Taython? |
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| Chris__ | https://github.com/naftaliharris/tauthon |
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| agris | # Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> (2020-02-17) |
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| agris | # Unmaintained. Last release in 2009. Python 2 only, depends on dead |
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| agris | # dev-python/pygtk and dev-python/pygtksourceview. Multiple unresolved |
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| agris | # bugs including crashes. |
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| agris | # Removal in 30 days. Bug #708096. |
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| Chris__ | Yes,
that's possible. But Python2 will work anyway for a long time, I think.
But with that it could be the case there will be much work for us, if
also pygtk2 isn't maintained anymore, because Python2 isn't maintained
anymore and from eclasses not to speak. Just some idea of the most bad
case. |
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| Chris__ | Ah, 2009, so I was nearly right. |
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| agris | tbh I can live without python2 and porthole, however It will take me a bit longer than 30 days to get off it |
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| agris | to transition everything smoothly |
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| Chris__ | Oh, oh, just guess how had the idea to remove it? |
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| Chris__ | who* |
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| Chris__ | Wow, that are a lot of packages they want to get ride of, all depending on pygtk. |
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| Chris__ | https://bugs.gentoo.org/706462 |
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| Chris__ | The idea comes from our TDE, GTK2 hater and systemd lover, INSTALL_MASK_BAN developer. |
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| agris | that's why I brought it up |
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| agris | it's the same person |
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| agris | I really think we should work together to file a formal report with signatures |
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| Chris__ | Seems he doesn't want any talking in that reports too. You have to be a bit ironic to get over it, if it were not so sad. |
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| agris | because I can't even contribute to Gentoo with him trolling around the tree like that |
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| agris | more and more redhat shit being forced upon in Gentoo |
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| Chris__ | Okay,
I see the point here. There was some news about Python2. But I find it
very aggressive just to start with ripping all out of portage just
because support ended some days ago for Python2. That is hard candy, for
my taste. But they will come with some *valid* arguments. Some report
will not lead to anything in that case, I think. In this case. Hm. |
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| Chris__ | From
the news: "At the same time, we are actively working towards switching
the distribution to Python 3. Whenever possible, we are
removing Python 2 support from packages. It will remain
available for the packages missing Python 3 compatibility and their
dependencies for some more time. However, packages that have
little chances of being ported will eventually be removed." -> So
that means, just some days after, they start to |
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| Chris__ | clean them all from Portage. I can't understand why all people are this radical these days. |
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| Chris__ | You
could do the fun and just complain in every bugreport. Seems he also
want to get ride of gtk-recordmydesktop. That is the first phase of GTK2
removal with the argument of Python2, it seems. |
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| Chris__ | It
seems his arguments are alsways the same. It's from 2009, it's from
2010, it's from 2013, hasn't seen any work on since 2014. And so on. |
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| agris | let me know when you are ready to file |
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| Chris__ | But,
the fact that it is still working in 2020 shows that there isn't any
big maintenance burden. So the argument is just stupid. They removed
classic Linux games that way in 2010 once, which had seen re-gained
activity just some years after that removal. Other distributions just
kept them. |
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| agris | I'm tired of being shutdown in the bug tracker for submitting fixes |
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| Chris__ | Yes, I can understand that. |
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| Chris__ | Do you have another name of these special developers which fall into that category, agris? |
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| agris | Chris__, name? like what? |
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| Chris__ | Like Andreas. |
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| agris | oh |
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| agris | look at the bug report for audacious gtk2 |
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| agris | but mostly andreas is the problem |
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| Chris__ | It
would be good to sumarize the going on trend of Gentoo in global,
because of some strange-minded developers, not just one name. Also it
would be good if there is anything to quote from about what Gentoo is,
so about choice. Once there was something like that, but I don't know
anymore. I just know the code of conduct. |
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| agris | hey _Chris_ . I've given it a nights thought |
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| agris | I do think it's important to be at least somewhat speedy about the issue, especially before pangox gets removed |
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| agris | because there's a whole tree of things depending on it |
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| agris | if something is does about the stonewalling early, it could lead to getting slotted instead of removed |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I see. The idea about the slotting is some good one. The question is,
if that pango version will not start to break at some point. As I wrote
before, this is tricky. The question is, if it would not make more sense
to ask pango developers to re-add that removed code. |
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| _Chris_ | About cerviestia, do you know, they are working on some updates? There is a new website. |
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| agris | I
am reading some of the updates you've made to the shared document. I
must complement you on the way you have laid your points out |
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| _Chris_ | I just looked at this tree and it seems most of that are just libs, or deprecated things. Depending on gtkglext. |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you. But there is a lot of things lacking. |
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| _Chris_ | It would be good, if we just would trigger some open discussion inside the Gentoo community about general things, you know? |
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| agris | and
yes, It's a good idea to attempt to ask pangox upstream to readd the
code, however collaborating with gnome developers has historically not
led to a lot of success and instead flame wars on mailing lists and
forums |
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| agris | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Polarisation often brings nothing. So insulting will just lead to stonewalling. |
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| agris | I remember all the hostility I received (before even having a side) discussing some changes to gnome2->3 transition |
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| agris | especially in Debian |
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| agris | ><_Chris_> Polarisation often brings nothing. So insulting will just lead to stonewalling. |
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| agris | >trigger some open discussion inside the Gentoo community |
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| agris | btw |
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| agris | YOu asked me to tell you how my NetBSD experiments went |
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| agris | NetBSD or truly one of a kind and a masterpiece of an OS. It feels like an actual UNIX. |
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| _Chris_ | There
are just these two options, either Gentoo developers are open to
improve things and say okay, we should re-think some things - I don't
expect they keep all forever, if no one steps in to help. But if they
say no - Well, there should be some community repo started or something
like that. The question is, if you and me want to do that. It's time
consuming and so and I would be happy to at least keep control about TDE
in Gentoo, |
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| _Chris_ | so
at least that they can't destroy and Gentoo users can experience TDE,
where we know exactly no one can crap any things. At least if they not
start to rip of Xorg - But yes, that will happen in some years too. |
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| agris | the whole system is incredibly simple. KISS is followed to the point in every aspect |
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| _Chris_ | That is nice to hear. :-) |
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| agris | there is even a hid and framebuffer abstraction layer called wscons |
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| _Chris_ | By the way - BSD developers have their own habbits to be rude, from what I have read and seen. |
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| agris | and it feels like using a beefier version of RetroBSD (BSD that fits on 640K ram controllers) |
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| agris | PkgSrc
truly seems like the closest contender to Portage, but it would still
take a lot of work to bring it up to Portage's level |
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| agris | for example there's not slotting or versioning |
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| _Chris_ | So
don't expect they are really any better. That is a widespread problem
in the open source community and in our society, that groups are
fighting each other and everyone wants to be right. |
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| agris | if you want an older package there's www/firefox68 for example |
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| agris | instead of eshow -O |
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| _Chris_ | This
whole C++11, 14, 17 bumping of Gentoo has lead also to a lot of removed
packages. This wasn't back in days. It's all much too fast. You can see
that, because most of the once really free projects are lead today and
developed mostly by paid developers only. Back then it was much more the
TDE way. |
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| _Chris_ | What is the problem about FF? |
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| agris | no problem |
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| agris | just the way pkgsrc handles versioning is clunky |
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| agris | primitive |
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| _Chris_ | About
glext - It would be good if you could find another older package, which
depends on a slotted version like pangox - So we could counter any
comming arguments with the fact it is done by other arguments - But
expect, they say thank you, now we can remove that one too - I have seen
that related to the fbcondecor patches. Because someone stepped up and
wrote it works still with Kernel xyz - There was some developer who
wrote, oh, |
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| _Chris_ | so we need to remove that from this one too. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, they do good work on Portage - Also if the EAPI bumps are stressing for people working on ebuilds. |
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| agris | fbcondecor? |
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| _Chris_ | I would like to see people join forces instead of starting overlay after overlay. |
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| _Chris_ | Splashutils. |
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| _Chris_ | Search for it - It is some cultural good of Gentoo. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I have added it to our document already, but it needs some evidence. |
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| _Chris_ | They
removed it because they said it's broken - Well, people were upset
about the removal and came and wrote in that report and also.. supplied
patches. |
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| _Chris_ | But, besides working patches, they ignored it. |
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| agris | =D this is cute |
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| _Chris_ | Cute? :-) |
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| agris | I think NetBSD is cute |
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| agris | as in it's such a simple piece of software yet provides a lot of enjoyment |
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| _Chris_ | If
you could collect all that motivated lonely people adding that patches,
which do bitrott in the reports, like yours, you would have some very
good and activate community for some good overlays, you know? |
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| agris | adding 'decor' to the linux framebuffer is cute too |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, and the best - It supports TDE. :-) |
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| agris | <_Chris_>
If you could collect all that motivated lonely people adding that
patches, which do bitrott in the reports, like yours, you would have
some very good and activate community for some good overlays, you know? |
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| agris | mhm |
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| _Chris_ | For
me, personally it is this way: I have seen that GTK+2 decline coming,
TQt, no one take away from us. It is sad to see all that GTK+2 stuff
dying, but if it comes hard of hard, I would prefer to invest my energy
into TDE, the TDE Gentoo overlay and such things. But GTK+2 applications
are integrating very, very well into some TDE desktop, so they are
important too. |
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| _Chris_ | Sometimes, I think I am in a big Kindergarden. |
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| agris | lol |
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| agris | i know what you mean |
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| agris | I don't have the resources to do so right now, but if it came to it i have thought about gtkng |
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| agris | (gtk not-gnomed/next-generation) |
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| _Chris_ | This
get removed, this get forced on you, this get removed and so on. You
have to fix this, to keep care of that. This needs to be fixed and so
on. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, as long as GNOME is keeping that GTK+2.24 branch, we are fine. |
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| agris | EAPI maintainership is not that big of a challenge |
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| agris | I've done it before and you can see my patches for gtk-youtube-viewer-9999 |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting would be, if GTK+1 would still build today. If so, that would make hope, GTK+2 will do it likewise in next 10 years. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I have seen that one by you already. :-) |
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| agris | and
you can also see the absolute garbage way I was tried and my ticket was
modified before the package maintainer took it over and thanked me |
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| agris | *treated |
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| _Chris_ | By the way: I am using gtk-youtube-viewer too and that gave me some idea to do some TQt version of it any time in future. |
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| agris | are there perl bindings for tqt? |
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| _Chris_ | TQt can all. At least it could. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libtqt-perl/ |
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| agris | because if so, the way gtk-youtube-viewer works as long as there is a perl binding that would be easy to implement |
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| agris | butthe gtk2 version already integrated so well with TDE |
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| _Chris_ | Right, therefore it is important. |
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| _Chris_ | By
the way, this nonsense about the GTK USE flag - I have just seen new
ebuilds by the Gentoo developers just using GTK3 USE, not GTK. So they
are not going by their own rules. |
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| _Chris_ | GTK+3 is like these AOL CDs back in days, you know? For every system they get it on, they get some dollar. :-) |
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| agris | oh _Chris_ |
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| agris | one thing that comes to mind |
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| _Chris_ | Beeing too serious isn't good. You have to smile. |
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| agris | the Dictionary Daemon bug report and removal |
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| _Chris_ | Let me see. |
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| agris | I remember that |
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| _Chris_ | Do you have the bug number? |
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| agris | I
would have updated the EAPI myself, but the whole way the thing was
handled made me stay away from it for fear the tiniest little qa issue
would get it 30 DAYS REMOVAL dagain |
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| agris | let me see |
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| agris | give me a minute, the bugtracker's database is slow |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, because I am spaming it. :-) |
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| agris | https://bugs.gentoo.org/696248 |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, I think dictd is important for TDE too. Good you point me to that. |
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| _Chris_ | If they would just know how much ebuilds are still EAPI 0.. |
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| agris | there's a gui for it in TDE |
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| agris | yes,
that too. It's incredibly odd how this thing being EAPI0 for decades is
suddenly only NOW a problem and a big enough problem to warrant 30D
treatment |
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| _Chris_ | Michal
isn't that bad. Again, he did it at least a good way and motivated
people in the mask message to step in, that's fair. That is exactly the
way I aim for. |
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| _Chris_ | This report makes me really hope. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you every tried to get in touch with Joonas? |
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| _Chris_ | He
seems to be very okay and motivated, even willing to offer users who
want to contribute other ways, if they don't like GitHub. |
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| _Chris_ | I will add that one to our document. |
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| agris | wow |
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| agris | yeah I've actually been reading his blog right now |
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| agris | I have not read that bug since it's initial opening |
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| agris | until now |
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| _Chris_ | Which blog from what person? :-) |
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| agris | I saw the message pop up during a portage transaction and the first thing that came to mind was 'here we go again' |
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| agris | drewdevault.com |
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| _Chris_ | I can't see from which developer that blog is. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I will be AFK now. |
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| agris | seeya |
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| nutzer | hi everybody |
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| nutzer | i have a question about trinity desktop |
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| nutzer | do i need qt4 or qt5 for trinity? |
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| nutzer | because synaptic says i have lots of qt5 packages installed |
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| nutzer | and the faq says you dont plan to port to qt4 or 5 |
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| _Chris_ | Hello
nutzer. No, that should be not needed. But people using
Debian based distributions will know better. So it would be handy you
could write down which distribution you use exactly. |
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| nutzer | maybe its because of all the other stuff that q4os installed... |
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| nutzer | i use Q4OS - TDE 3.10 |
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| nutzer | its based on debian buster |
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| SlavekB | Nutzer, I recommend use aptitude to check which packages caused the installation of Qt4 / Qt5. |
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| nutzer | ok, so trinity desktop and its applications dont need qt4 or 5 right? |
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| SlavekB | Exactly. Trinity uses its own fork of Qt3 called TQt3 (or simple TQt) and not need Qt4 or Qt5. |
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| nutzer | very nice. thank you |
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| nutzer | i will try a more minimal installation of devuan with trinity |
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| _Chris_ | Devuan sounds like a good choice, nutzer. :-) |
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| denk | SlavekB: should I fix something else in the PRs? |
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| denk | also, could you share your script? I'd like to create source packages to build that all on our jenkins |
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| SlavekB | Denk,
for tdelibs we need to decide about installation of imagetops. However,
in the meantime you can omit installation of imagetops in your
tde-packaging and add netpbm as a Depends instead of Replaces. |
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| denk | ok, I will fix it |
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| SlavekB | As
for the script, I would like to prepare some brief documentation so
that I do not push the script completely without information. |
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| denk | how many time do you need to finish it? |
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| SlavekB | I have no guess - I still have some other tasks :( |
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| denk | accepted, I will do it manually, thanks anyway |
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| SlavekB | Alternatively, I can send you the script privately before I push it into git. |
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| denk | I guess I need to fix it for our platform too |
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| denk | let try to see it, send it to me via e-mail, it should be small |
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| SlavekB | Basically, I could try adding support for DilOS to the script now :) |
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| denk | it could be very nice :) |
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| SlavekB | ...although, first of all I have to have breakfast and so on :) |
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| SlavekB | Denk, what do you get on lsb_release -si, lsb_releaes -sr and lsb_release -sc? |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?9a1197691499fa10#1sXgEYpMoWntbCJOW0VIdspmhJ30OyhZEL9Ys7tzEuo= |
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| denk | SlavekB: 9.5 && stretch will be changed soon, I think, to buster, it depends of the debian upstream |
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| SlavekB | As
I understand, you will maintain only one current version at a time, so
9.5 and stretch will be ignored during the packaging and used as
'unstable' version identification? |
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| SlavekB | 'unstable' as distribution name. |
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| denk | yes, unstable |
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| SlavekB | I made some minor changes to my script and tried to generate the source package tqtinterface: |
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| SlavekB | Architecture: source |
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| SlavekB | Version: 4:14.0.8~pre0-0dilos.0+0 |
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| SlavekB | Distribution: unstable |
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| SlavekB | Where ".0+0" at end specifies "number of additional patches" and "packaging version". |
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| denk | nice, share it :) |
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| SlavekB | I'll be back online in about two hours... |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3062 filed by icanttellyou@memeware.net. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3064 filed by oak666oak666@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3065 filed by bormant@mail.ru. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3066 filed by bormant@mail.ru. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3067 filed by aamuhammad@protonmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3047 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Gwenview-trinity refuses to browse images in a folder |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3068 filed by roma251078@mail.ru. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3068 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Gtk3-tqt-engine and sys tray icons. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3069 filed by bartbojarski99@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3069 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Control Center constantly crashing |
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| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 3067 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3070 filed by ben.pracht@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3070 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Add button to explicitly re-scan WiFi networks |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3071 filed by fremenzone@poczta.onet.pl. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3071 wishlist, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Unlock TDE wallet on login |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3072 filed by kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, ppc64le builds not available for Ubuntu Eoan and above |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2280 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED WONTFIX, network-manager-tde connections lost after upgrade |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1382 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, KDED Media Manager starts even when explicitly disabled |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1834 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1834
enhancement, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, tdekbdledsync
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2331 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Drop kerry support or maintain obsolete beagle sources |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2882 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, logic games not added to menu |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3073 filed by tch@protonmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3073
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , QtCurve 1.7.1 backported to
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3073 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3074 filed by ad503trinity@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3074 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, TDM does not start properly on boot |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1904
normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Trinity provides no
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3075 filed by ryanrms@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3075 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kicker hangs and has to be killed when changing Application Launcher icon |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3076 filed by ryanrms@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3076 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Kicker hangs and has to be killed when changing Application Launcher icon |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2929 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, tdenetworkmanager crashes |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3077 filed by bluedzins@wp.pl. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3077 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [bug] Several settings from KDE3 are removed on migration |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1385 minor, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, kicker-trinity missing dependency upon kcontrol-trinity |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: is https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2983 actually a TDE bug, or a downstream bug? If DS, I need to file one now that Leap 15.2 has reached beta. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug 2983: normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [opensuse] 15.0 upgrade of xdm usurps tdm as /etc/alternatives/default-displaymanager |
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| a-865 | dist-upgrade
from Buster to Bullseye eliminated AMD firmware, so TDM/X locked up on
first boot, so did apt install amd64-microcode firmware-amd-graphics to
fix :p |
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| agris | I get a popup that won't go away |
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| agris | could not find mime type octet/stream |
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| agris | application/octet-stream |
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| agris | whenever I click ok it just comes back |
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| agris | and programs won't launch unless i click ok a bunch of times |
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| agris | no idea where it's coming from |
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| agris | happens everytime a program is opened in tde |
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| Fleck | is there a option like in latest KDE where you move window on top of screen, it maximizes? |
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| Fleck | I didn't know I was addicted to that function :p |
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| pitriss | Fleck: fortunatelly there is not such thing. My GF is using plasma desktop and it really pi***s me off :D |
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| pitriss | agris: just create such mimetype in the kcontrol... |
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| pitriss | agris:
it should be kcontrol -> components -> file asociation or
something like that.. sorry I am using localized TDE so I can't tell how
it is in english |
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| Fleck | pitriss: that there is such function or just cause she uses plasma? :D |
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| pitriss | Plasma..:)
I don't think it have any advantage anyway.. when you drag window you
need to travel further with a cursor than going on the maximize
button/pressing keystroke to maximize active window anyway :) |
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| SlavekB | Pitriss
is not alone in it - whenever I'm on some other system that maximizes
windows just because I want to push them to the edge, I'm angry... |
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| SlavekB | ...exactly - also drag-to-edge maximization seems to me totally ineffective - far more effort than clicking the maximize button. |
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| Fleck | do you use multiple monitors? |
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| SlavekB | ...but
if someone craves such behavior and creates a pull-request, we will not
prevent merge. The only requirement is that there must be an enable /
disable switch. |
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| pitriss | Fleck: yes on some setups I do.. Still keystroke for it is way more effective way |
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| pitriss | especially when its keystroke for the other hand than the one you hold mouse in |
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| pitriss | or... today when mouses have multiple buttons.. I can imagine one button mapped to it. |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, to move the window with the mouse it is usually necessary to
first move the mouse to the window title => the maximize buttons at
that moment are much closer than moving the window to the edge of the
screen. |
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| SlavekB | And at the same time there is an advantage that by using the left / middle / right button I can do different ways to maximize. |
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| jujs | Hello there! I was wondering: is it Ok to install KIO_GDrive on Q4OS TRINITY? |
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| agris | Are there binaries available to NetBSD 9 or is that platform still in development? |
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| agris | sources only |
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| a-865 | what
is supposed to complete this line in /etc/systemd/system/tdm.service
for Mageia: After=systemd-user-sessions.service getty@... ??? |
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| Fleck | pitriss,
SlavekB if I have maximized window on right screen, I have to drag it
small part from right screen to left and it sticks/maximizes on left
screen, thats super fast and convenient..., so, agree to disagree :D |
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| pitriss | Fleck:
Again.. Trinity have option to set up keystroke for moving active
window to move window to another screen directly.. And as far as I
consider mouse as slowest way how to use computer... :) But feel free to
disagree and just send patch to trinity that adds your desired
functionality:) |
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| pitriss | It will be most likely merged.. if it can be disabled |
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| Fleck | I agree about keyboard, but sometimes I use just mouse to browse nets for example :D |
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| pitriss | You most likely have the other hand on the keyboard anyway..:) |
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| Fleck | many times thats not the case |
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| SlavekB | Fleck,
your task seems to me to be "keep window maximized after moving to the
second screen" rather than "maximize the window just because I'm too
close to the edge". |
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| pitriss | For
me, I mostly don't need to put my hand on the trackball when I'm doing
something.. But different people have different tastes.. I prefer to use
keyboards and shortcuts as much as possible.. And for the web, to
switch tabs it is easy to set correct keystroke for that.. even with
limitation to specific apps..:) Scrolling is the same.. :) |
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| pitriss | And
TBH thats why I love KDE3.5/Trinity for plenty of years now.. It is
configurable, efficient, not eating too much system resources even on
older machines.. :) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
btw when I'm looking into kcontrol, keyboard -> shortcuts section, I
see move window to the next screen but not on the previous screen.. Is
this mistake or on purpose? |
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| pitriss | As I can imagine 3 screen setup where could be not so nice to press it twice to go from screen 2 to screen 1 |
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| SlavekB | Maybe it was previously assumed that the user would not have more than two screens? |
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| pitriss | Yeah it looks like that.. |
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| denk | SlavekB: http://witch.tambov.ru/~denis/dilos/tde/tde03.png |
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| denk | most of the packages work |
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| SlavekB | wow, nice. |
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| SlavekB | Regarding your PR for tdelibs, i'm waiting for an adjustment regarding imagetops and netpbm dependency. |
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| denk | yes, I will do it this week |
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| SlavekB | thanks :) |
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| denk | but I'm waiting your script :) |
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| denk | to produce source packages |
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| denk | and then we can try to build it for sparcv9 |
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| SlavekB | Yes, yes, I know. I suppose I'll send it to you today tonight. |
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| denk | thanks to you too |
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| SlavekB | BTW you also built desktop-base-trinity, meta-tde packages? |
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| denk | no |
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| SlavekB | Ok, in the script there is a table with limits == which packages are built only for Debian / Raspbian and which only for Ubuntu. |
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| SlavekB | So this table can remain unchanged. |
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| denk | btw,
this screenshot was made from the zone where I fixed netpbm dependency,
I need to push it to the repo, maybe tomorrow I will do it |
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| SlavekB | great! |
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| SlavekB | For
Debian / Raspbian / Ubuntu we will have to find a solution because
/usr/bin/imagetops is present in different distributions versions
differently. |
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| denk | SlavekB: have you seen my commit? I did it this morning |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I noticed. It looks good. |
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| SlavekB | Sorry yesterday fatigue was stronger than me :( |
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| denk | it's ok |
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| denk | I ported tde to OI for about 2 weeks, but now I am very busy too |
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| SlavekB | Denk you build the final R14.0.7 or R14.0.8~pre? |
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| denk | 4.0.7, but I clonned zfs where libtde marked as 14.1.0 |
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| denk | *14.0.7 |
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| SlavekB | In any case, there will be appropriate to manage both git master and r14.0.x branch, because there may be some differences. |
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| denk | well, I think I will build it as is |
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| denk | I'd like to intergate most of specific patches into the main tree |
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| denk | and then I can fix each new version for our platform |
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| denk | also I'd like to try to port tdehwlib too |
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| denk | at this moment it is completely disabled |
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| SlavekB | Denk,
I suggest the following: In the master branch we can apply changes that
relate to development versions - R14.1.0 as well as R14.0.8. In the
branch r14.0.x for this moment we will maintain the state corresponding
to the final R14.0.7. |
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| SlavekB | The
script for generate source packages uses tde-packaging repository on
the appropriate version => for R14.0.7 tde-packaging on r14.0.x
branch is expected to be used, so it should work for now. |
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| denk | let's try to produce something, then we can fix errors |
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| SlavekB | Denk, one more question: On DilOS you don't use OpenSSL but any alternative? |
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| denk | we have openssl |
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| SlavekB | ...because I am surprised by the patch that changes: |
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| SlavekB | if( NOT SSL_FOUND OR SSL_VERSION VERSION_LESS "1.1" ) |
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| SlavekB | to |
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| SlavekB | if( NOT SSL_FOUND OR SSL_VERSION VERSION_LESS "1.2" ) |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?f02141f8a2f0b451#fpKTcH0VQbtMWDwgt8hcKeyO6+wEscX2jYEtoEiut1g= |
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| denk | I tested some extensions |
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| SlavekB | The point here is that it is not possible to build crypto card support in tdehwlib with OpenSSL >= 1.1 on the master branch. |
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| denk | tdehwlib is linux-specific software, I can't use it right now |
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| denk | also you use /proc directly, we have it too but in different format |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, there is even more surprise why such a change in your dilos.patch. |
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| denk | yeah... |
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| denk | just keep in mind that we are not linux, we are illumos for 95% (aka solaris) |
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| SlavekB | So, the question is whether this part of the dilos.patch is unwanted. |
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| denk | do you want to edit something in the patches? |
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| SlavekB | I mean this part in your dilos.patch related to WITH_PKCS. |
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| SlavekB | As we have just agreed, this part seems to be useless - wrong. |
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| SlavekB | Denk, can I remove that part from dilos.patch? |
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| denk | of course |
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| denk | I just remember that I did some fake in tdebindings, perl script does not handle C preprocessor directives |
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| denk | and I got compiler errors on smoke |
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| SlavekB | Denk,
well, I made some minor adjustments - I removed the wrong part of
dilos.patch and the second part related to kopenssl.cc I moved to the
first commit. |
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| denk | SlavekB: just tell me when I should do git pull and try to rebuild it once again :) |
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| denk | I clear my local repo and test that all |
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| SlavekB | At
the same time I added patches reflecting the current development, which
will now only be included in the master branch == will not be
cherry-pick to r14.0.x branch. |
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| SlavekB | Hmm, as I am trying now, dilos.patch cannot be applied to either the master or the current state of r14.0.x branch. |
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| SlavekB | Oh, yes, I see - that - I'll add one more patch. |
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| denk | sorry that I added new troubles |
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| SlavekB | It is true that it could be a little easier if you would build R14.0.8~pre packages :) |
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| denk | a new patching marathon? :) |
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| denk | thanks! :) |
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| SlavekB | Denk,
it seems that TDE/tde-packaging#37 is ready for merge and partial
cherry-pick to r14.0.x branch, where your two patches remain unchanged
regarding functionality. |
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| denk | SlavekB: I think I should create a build zone for you on my server :) |
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| SlavekB | In any case, it would be nice if we can merge all DilOS packaging during March, because R14.0.8 is planned for April :) |
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| denk | I have no words to say something smart, but I guess it is impossible |
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| denk | too many incompatible patches |
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| SlavekB | Ok, never mind, it seems that at least the base packages could be ready. |
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| denk | what's about cmake patches? |
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| denk | add -lsocket -lnsl for SunOS |
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| denk | the same question about ld options |
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| denk | -zallextract vs -zwhole-archive (or how it's in gnu ld...) |
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| SlavekB | Please, can you update git commit log for libtdeldap PR? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/pulls/38 |
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| denk | the message? |
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| SlavekB | Existing "restore original version generator" is definitely not good :) |
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| SlavekB | Some like "DilOS: libtdeldap build pack" will be better :) |
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| denk | just a moment |
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| SlavekB | In any case, thank you for finding that libtdeldap in the master branch seems to be dependent on tdehwlib! |
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| denk | I hope it is fixed now |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Denk, please, can you update git commit log for tdebase PR? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/pulls/39 |
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| denk | SlavekB: fixed |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| denk | it is 22:23 in my timezone, other fixes will be tomorrow... |
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| SlavekB | ok, thank you :) |
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| agris | _Chris_, gitea is not that bad |
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| SlavekB | Denk, I added for DilOS / tdebase the changes according to the current master branch and it seems we are ready for merge. |
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| denk | SlavekB: don't ask me, just merge it if it's really ready to do it |
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| SlavekB | Denk, for tdenetwork there is a proposal to change in your PR - see comment. |
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| SlavekB | Ach, now I see your comment to it :) |
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| denk | yep, I have commented it |
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| agris | can't emerge konquerer |
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| agris | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "media-libs/jasper". |
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| agris | is this expected? |
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| _Chris_ | agris:
Good point. Try to emerge without tdelibs "jpeg2k" USE. In fact,
Konqueror shouldn't use that build option, from what I know directly. It
seems jasper isn't in portage anymore, or maybe never was. I will add
it to the overlay if I have more time again. |
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| _Chris_ | You
shouldn't need jasper support, if you aren't using jpeg2000 files. That
doesn't mean you will end up without jpeg support. It's just candy. |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys, is there any way to specify icon shown in TDE-dbus notification? I
found mconnect (kde independent implementation of kde connect) and I'm
thinking about creating some actions/bindings for it to trinity |
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| pitriss | Maybe link to mconnect will be good just for the record: https://github.com/bboozzoo/mconnect . I see it is off topic, but having proper integration in Trinity seems to me as something that can attract more users.. :) |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | What timezone am I supposed to choose for Delhi? |
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| Rojola | I have been looking through all the available cities, but nothing matches |
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| Rojola | I mean the clock widget |
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| pitriss | Hello guys, is there any way to let trinity rescan all icons? I guess they are cached somewhere.. |
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| pitriss | Maybe
someone could get some enthusiasm for integration of mconnect into
TDE.. I tried to make script that can send SMS from kaddressbook: https://gist.github.com/Pitriss/39a80f1bd783c9e9c1673bdf7956dfdb I just finished it, it is just Proof of concept that it could be integrated in way better :) |
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| pitriss | *way better manner. |
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| SlavekB | pitriss - nice (Y) |
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| pitriss | I would like to see one day that Trinity provide some sort of those KDE.<something> bindings on dbus that mconnect expects |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ty.. i just found 3 spare hours to learn a bit of dbus. I still don't like it but this could be handy:) |
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| SlavekB | I've thought many times that it would be nice to have an interface to use KDE Connect, and this looks good. |
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| pitriss | mconnect
is working nicely.. too verbose to my taste.. but.. Nothing that could
not be fixed/patched.. I guess developer wouldn't be upset for some
ideas:) |
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| pitriss | And
it just works.. One thing that is weird is that dbus notifications from
trinity are spamming constantly as mconnect sends -1 as timeout |
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| pitriss | Not sure if -1 is some sort of "stay on the screen" or bug somewhere in mconnect as I'm really new into mconnect/dbus thingy |
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| SlavekB | :D "The API is not documented. Use D-Feet or busctl to introspect and invoke methods manually." |
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| pitriss | it has few methods, etc |
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| pitriss | easy to introspect |
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| pitriss | It works.. thats what is important.. |
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| pitriss | It already send notificatons when someone calls you (spamming actually), when SMS arrives, etc.. |
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| pitriss | the basic things just need some polishing and it would be fine.. Sending files also works at least from phone to the pc |
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| SlavekB | The
question is whether to build an interface over mconnect, which is not
part of the Debian / Ubuntu distributions, or whether to use it as an
example and implement our own server side. |
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| SlavekB | BTW: |
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| SlavekB | https://github.com/andyholmes/gnome-shell-extension-mconnect has been replaced by https://github.com/andyholmes/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect |
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| pitriss | maybe someone could rewrite it from vala to something uhm more sane..:D |
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| pitriss | I guess our own implementation will take more time, but will fit us better in plenty ways |
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| pitriss | As
eg my script could be done in C or something so it can be shipped with
that package. It is really 3hours job including reading dbus
tutorials.:) |
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| SlavekB | When we have it as our own service, it will be able to provide a dcop interface :) |
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| pitriss | yess yess yess.. :D |
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| pitriss | I like dcop way more than dbus. |
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| mashiro_tan_ | Hi guys. Trying to use TQPtrVector class https://www.trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/ntqptrvector.html , how i can simply add an item? |
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| mashiro_tan_ | += ? |
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| mashiro_tan_ | no, that's isn't work |
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| mashiro_tan | SlavekB:
how i can push my branch to the Gitea? I've added ssh pub key to the
account, but git asking me for the credentials after the push command |
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| SlavekB | the repository address should be gitea@mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org:TDE/<repository>.git |
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| mashiro_tan | so name is "gitea". What password then? |
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| mashiro_tan | a, wait |
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| SlavekB | Yes, the username is gitea and will not ask you for the password because it will use your ssh key. |
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| mashiro_tan | i'm using a git gui and it asking me for a pass |
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| SlavekB | git gui uses your ssh key or some other configured in gui? |
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| mashiro_tan | looks like that's because i've dumped all the sources via https using script |
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| SlavekB | And url for push is https://mirror.git... (http mode) or gitea@mirror.git.... (ssh mode)? |
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| mashiro_tan | http mode |
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| mashiro_tan | i've made a freshly cloned repo via ssh and now i'm getting |
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| mashiro_tan | User: 56:Mashiro with Key: 19:<mail> is not authorized to write to tde/k3b. |
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| SlavekB | Now I have added you to the Contributors team! |
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| mashiro_tan | Thanks |
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| mashiro_tan | Check this please https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/k3b/compare/master...cdtext-fix |
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| __Chris | Oh, welcome, mashiro_tan! :-) |
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| mashiro_tan | hi! |
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| mashiro_tan | looks like gitea is noticeably different than github, i don't see ability to provide any additional ifo for the pull request |
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| mashiro_tan | info* |
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| mashiro_tan | well, it lacks search in files function too |
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| mashiro_tan | made a PR |
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| SlavekB | mashiro_tan, I think the discussion for PR provides a good place for additional information on PR. |
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| SlavekB | Denk, when building on DilOS with CMake, is CMAKE_HOST_SOLARIS true? |
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| SlavekB | Or is it better to use ${CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME} MATCHES "SunOS" ? |
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| SlavekB | Well, after further investigation, CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME seems a better choice. |
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| a-865 | is wiki login one of the broken things? it keeps rejecting without saying whether login name, password, or captcha :( |
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| SlavekB | when creating a new account on wiki? |
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| SlavekB | Only
the data was migrated during the migration to the new server, user
accounts were not migrated. Therefore, you need to create a new user
account. |
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| a-865 | OK |
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| a-865 | One |
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| a-865 | Done |
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| a-865 | The reason I wanted was to edit https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds to change the example from trusty to Focal. Sound OK? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, Trusty is already somewhat historical :) |
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| a-865 | that's what I was thinking |
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| a-865 | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds now says Focal instead of Trusty, and my first upgrade from 18. |
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| a-865 | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds now says Focal instead of Trusty, and my first upgrade from Bionic to Focal just finished |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| a-865 | except it didn't, no initrd for the new kernel |
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| a-865 | using dep for modules in initrd is broken |
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| SlavekB | oh, I usually leave 'most'. |
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| a-865 | 7X the size of dep for choosing most, 47918K |
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| a-865 | looks more like all |
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| a-865 | dunno whether I didn't have kmix-trinity in bionic, or the upgrade to focal dropped it :P |
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| a-865 | adding kmix-trinity caused initrd rebuild with dep and a 8804336 byte initrd |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| a-865 | I
guess the update-initramfs failure stopped the upgrade short of
completion, and the kmix-trinity installation triggered it to finish |
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| SlavekB | Yes, that could be an explanation. |
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| a-865 | kmix: error while loading shared libraries: libtdeinit_kmix.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| SlavekB | you can run ldconfig? |
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| a-865 | no |
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| a-865 | I mean didn't |
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| a-865 | ldconfig fixed it |
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| a-865 | maybe reboot would have? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, a reboot would also solve it. However, ldconfig could be executed automatically by dokg. |
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| SlavekB | *dpkg |
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| SlavekB | Denk, you can try it: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-common-cmake/pulls/31 |
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| denk | SlavekB: nice! soon I will try it, thanks |
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| denk | SlavekB: also, CMAKE_HOST_SOLARIS "1" |
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| SlavekB | Denk, I decided to use CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME because CMAKE_HOST_* gives me the impression of hardware. |
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| mashiro_tan | what deb/ubuntu repository follows the master branch? trinity-testing? |
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| SlavekB | yes, trinity-testing is based on master branch. |
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| mashiro_tan | thanks |
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| mashiro_tan_ | tried
to clone TDE repo via ssh, but used script with "anonymous" and git
started asking me for a password. Retried via https and got a ban. |
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| mashiro_tan_ | now cloning via ssh after router reconnect |
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| mashiro_tan | Set
a fresh environment, built an app using eclipse, but can't debug it,
mime type of executable says "application/x-kdeuser". Any solutions? |
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| mashiro_tan | ^^ answer is "-DCMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS='-no-pie'" flag for the cmake |
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| mashiro_tan | well that's not work really |
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| mashiro_tan | echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| mashiro_tan | ...or not. Well, cmake can generate projects for C::B and Qt Creator |
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| mashiro_tan | but strange why eclipse can't start debug on the clean ubuntu |
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| mashiro_tan | QtCreator is working like a charm. |
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| mashiro_tan | What IDE you're guys using? |
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| denk | it's time to use SAS instead of IDE :) |
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| Selk | Hi everyone |
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| mashiro_tan | hi |
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| a-865 | tried to upgrade another buster to bullseye and apt failed to fetch kmenuedit-trinity-14.0.8~pre35-0debian11.0.0+8~a_amd64.deb |
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| a-865 | IP 37.205.10.16 closed the connection |
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| a-865 | 2nd try worked |
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| a-865 | Looking at these Konsole tabs in 14.0.8pre on Bullseye I get a sense something hasn't been installed that needs to be: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/deb11-1408pre-tabs.png |
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| SlavekB | What widget style do you have? |
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| SlavekB | If you use a different style, does something change? |
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| a-865 | AFAIK I never changed the default. Style menu style tab sals Asteroid. |
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| a-865 | AFAIK I never changed the default. Style menu style tab says Asteroid. |
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| a-865 | I could wipe ~/.trinity/* to see what happens |
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| a-865 | I'll boot Stretch to see what is used there.... |
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| a-865 | Looks like Plastik disappeared from 14.0.8pre |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| SlavekB | I'm currently on Wheezy and I use 14.0.8~pre every day ... in the settings I see Plastik available. |
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| a-865 | This Bullseye was just upgraded from a clone of a freshly upgraded Buster. Buster remains Plastik. |
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| mashiro_tan | Tried
to resolve a problem with tags in the k3b plugin - simply adapted a
fresh version from k3b "upstream" - and got a cd that can hang any
system in a minute |
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| a-865 | Bullseye
TDM unthemed acquired the same strangeness I see in the TDE session,
dots encircling highlighted input areas, and heavy borders where borders
used to be normal weight. |
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| SlavekB | You see something interesting in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| a-865 | http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/deb12-1408pre-strange.png http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/KDE/xsession-errors-g5eas-bullseye.txt SlavekB |
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| SlavekB | setting another style has no result? |
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| a-865 | I don't want another. I want Plastik. :) |
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| a-865 | Never could find anything else I like. |
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| a-865 | Hmmm, Keramik looks just like I expect Plastik to look. :p |
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| SlavekB | And when you try to choose Plastik? |
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| a-865 | Plastik is not there to choose. |
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| SlavekB | Oh, right, you said it. |
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| a-865 | I'm going to boot my other Bullseye to see if it's doing the same thing. |
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| SlavekB | Keramik is displayed correctly? |
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| a-865 | I think so. |
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| a-865 | TDM is still looking bad with the heavy lines and the dots. |
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| SlavekB | Hight contrast style seems to be used instead of Plastik. |
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| SlavekB | Do you have file /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/plugins/styles/plastik.so ? |
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| a-865 | I just booted other host I thought I had seen this in, but it has working Plastik. |
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| a-865 | Must be another I forgot about. |
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| a-865 | I thought I had only two Bullseyes :p |
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| SlavekB | You can try: apt reinstall tdelibs14-trinity |
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| a-865 | On the misbehaver: |
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| a-865 | # ll pla* |
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| a-865 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 750 Feb 25 21:25 plastik.la |
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| a-865 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 138856 Feb 25 21:25 plastik.so |
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| a-865 | after reinstall still no plastik to select |
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| SlavekB | /opt/trinity/share/apps/tdestyle/themes/plastik.themerc is present on your system? |
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| a-865 | as those Feb 25 files show, plastik should be there |
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| SlavekB | content of /opt/trinity/share/apps/tdestyle/themes/plastik.themerc also seems to be good? |
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| a-865 | Lemme try the default tdmrc...nope, no change |
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| a-865 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4040 May 20 2018 plastik.themerc |
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| mashiro_tan | https://github.com/KDE/k3b/blob/master/plugins/decoder/ffmpeg/k3bffmpegwrapper.cpp#L269 cool check, especially when outputBufferPos is initialized by the fillOutputBuffer() below. |
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| mashiro_tan | and this is where "-1" error is "handled" https://github.com/KDE/k3b/blob/master/libk3b/plugin/k3baudiodecoder.cpp#L280 |
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| mashiro_tan | They're even didn't test these patches |
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| selk | Hi everyone |
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| selk | What I need to build the sources from git? |
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| selk | I recently downloaded arts from git, but I have a build error, early: |
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| selk | I need to check if the sources from git will work, I haven't any luck with the 14.0.7 release :( |
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| MicheleC | Hi Matias. Which distro? |
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| selk | It looks like tdebase from 14.0.7 is not fully ready to handle pmount or udevil, so I want to test the current development |
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| selk | Hi MicheleC |
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| MicheleC | there will be quite some changes in pmount/udevil/udisks2/udisk usage in R14.1.0 btw |
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| selk | I am testing it in Dragora |
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| MicheleC | Dragora??? let me find out more about it :-$ |
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| SlavekB | In R14.0.x are supported udisks2, udisks and pmount. |
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| selk | It is a distro that I maintain, and I want to provide TDE by default |
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| MicheleC | (y) +10000000!!!!!!! |
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| MicheleC | build from git works, we do it all the time. |
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| MicheleC | you
need the repo code, common submodules and packaging info, although for
Dragora you may have to prepare the packaging yourself |
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| selk | I
couldn't continue with the patches for musl and libresl (if needed)
before because I still can't get TDE started, not to mention that I was
busy with other things. So I'd like to continue the work for
TDE... |
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| selk | For now, I just downloaded arts from git, what else I need to do? |
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| selk | There is a build script from git where I can take a look if some extra step is needed? |
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| MicheleC | arts is the code for it. Then you need admin and cmake modules from common area |
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| MicheleC | you can refer to my build scripts for Debian to see order of building and perhaps for more info |
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| MicheleC | hold on |
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| selk | Thanks |
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| MicheleC | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_buildscripts/local/README.txt |
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| MicheleC | these
are scripts that basically work out of the box if you are using debian
and setup as described here. you can literally build TDE with one
command in a debian box |
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| selk | I see the instructions there, nice. |
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| MicheleC | the scripts are in the same folder :-) |
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| MicheleC | but they rely heavily in the common debian build system. so for other distros you may have to do more manual work ;-) |
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| selk | Okay, I will re-check the current build scripts that I have before to proceed with git |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| MicheleC | for any question you know where we are :-) |
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| selk | Yeah, thank you, guys. |
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| selk | I hope to find the time to make some translations (Spanish) |
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| SlavekB | Selk, it is especially important to ensure the presence of common admin and cmake submodules. |
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| selk | a new release is planned for April, right? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, april. |
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| selk | Nice. :-) |
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| MicheleC | R14.0.8 |
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| denk | you should have more time in the quarantine to finish a new release :) |
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| MicheleC | and R14.1.0 towards end of year |
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| MicheleC | nah... quarantine makes no difference to my work, almost |
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| Selk | For
now, what I did was take the difference of r14.0.x-branch from release
14.0.7 until the last commit of the same branch to have the last changes
of this branch |
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| Selk | I've applied the changes (difference) to tdebase 14.0.7, and I have this build error: |
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| Selk | http://ix.io/2ejt |
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| Selk | Probably I should do the same for tdelibs, first. |
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| MicheleC | before building tdebase you definitely need to have updated tdelibs :-) |
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| MicheleC | my recommendation is to clone the code from TGW, that is always the safest way |
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| MicheleC | hold on |
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| Selk | I am going to do that, woops :p |
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| MicheleC | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace#To_access_the_TDE_source_code |
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| MicheleC | this is not a guide on how to build TDE, but rather a guide on how to use TGW :-) |
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| MicheleC | Slavek and I work out of TGW all the time, so it is definitely recommended ;-) |
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| MicheleC | I strongly recommend to clone the complete repo rather than a single module, easier to keep everything up to date |
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| Selk | Ah, the script does everything, right? |
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| Selk | After cloning... |
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| SlavekB | The script will pick up and update all modules as well as submodules. |
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| Selk | Except for a specific TDE module... |
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| Selk | I see, interesting. |
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| Selk | What it does the option "WITH_TDEHWLIB_DAEMONS" in tdelibs? |
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| Selk | It is to support pmount, udevil, etc.? |
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| SlavekB | No WITH_TDEHWLIB_DAEMONS is necessary primarily for powersave functions. |
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| SlavekB | For example, setting the display brightness, detecting the LID status. |
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| Selk | Good.. |
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| MicheleC | WITH_TDEHWLIB_DAEMONS enables the dbus tdehardware control daemon |
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| MicheleC | not mandatory but nice to have :-) |
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| Selk | Wow, I started TDE, finally |
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| Selk | I disable TDEHWLIBS and it worked |
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| SlavekB | Good result! |
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| Selk | I suspect there is something missing in the dbus-side |
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| Selk | Once the TDE started, there was errors about arts and knotify (crashes) |
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| Selk | I tested it on Virtualbox... |
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| Selk | I will upgrade the branch for arts, soon. And re-check the dbus build script |
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| Selk | Wow, I am very happy to see TDE running :-) |
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| Selk | SlavekB: I have some local changes for the r14-xdg-update script in tdebase |
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| Selk | This is related to starttde, how the location is determined, I will prepare a PR for review later |
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| SlavekB | Ok. To my knowledge, some changes have already been made. |
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| Selk | _Chris_: I see the help dialog with content. This was your worry about htdig/hldig, right? |
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| Selk | SlavekB: For starttde, yes. But not for r14-xdg-update |
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| SlavekB | ach, good point! |
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| Selk | Also,
I've removed some bashisms there. Well.. I will send the PR
in a couple of hours, I need to take a nap. :-) |
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| Selk | Holly molly.. TDE is working fast here |
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| Selk | Probably is due to the VM, I don't know, but I like it. :-D |
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| Selk | I opened a few applications... ahh, the retro is back! |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| Selk | Amazing, this is motivating. ;-) |
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| vita_cell | Guys,
I want to learn C/C++ more, (yeah I am nooby with those). It makes no
sense contribute to GNOME3 or Xfce for me. They change and break
frequently, trashing off your efforts. The problem with TDE is, I don't
know how/where to start. I dont know about cmake and how to compile
thing properly with this system. |
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| vita_cell | is
here some proper/most complete documentation to how to start with Qt3
and TDE? what I thinking about is, improve/fix some already existing
small program of TDE, and then I also want to develop some small
programs with GUI, but don't know how to start with Qt3 and what IDEs or
GUI designers I need |
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| vita_cell | is Qt3 completely free software? MIT/GPL/BSD...? |
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| denk | qt has dual license |
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| denk | one of theme is lgpl |
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| denk | I started to study qt since 2.0.2 version and it took 2 weeks to understand it all |
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| denk | I knew at that moment C/C++ |
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| denk | it has a good tutorial |
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| denk | I can give you a simple program on Qt 2/3/4/5, just choose the version :) |
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| vita_cell | I just like to target something stable, I hate someone to break my efforts (like gtk3 or GNOME3) |
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| vita_cell | so Qt3 |
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| vita_cell | Qt3 (tde) |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?8607a508e18b88db#8tjjbjy6qjnDd4hpbKQivFN3zxN0AHtqLL4GLF9uidI= |
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| denk | vita_cell: https://doc.qt.io/archives/3.3/tutorial.html |
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| SlavekB | Similar, updated to TQt3: |
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| SlavekB | http://www.trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/ |
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| vita_cell | yeah, maybe this is what I searching for |
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| mashiro_tan | vita_cell: >and what IDEs or GUI designers I need |
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| mashiro_tan | have in mind that these guides are outdated |
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| mashiro_tan | probably you can use KDevelop for gui design, but for fixing bugs i'll reccomend use qt creator |
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| mashiro_tan | recommend* |
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| vita_cell | mashiro_tan, I mean, Geany or CodeBlocks, and for GUI designer things like Glade |
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| vita_cell | so, what is the basic (or complete) setup/dev-environment for a Qt/tqt3 developer? |
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| mashiro_tan | vita_cell:
you can get almostly fully working (write/debug/format code) workspace
by generating a CodeBlocks project with a cmake -G key, in case if you
deal with the build targets afterwards. |
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| mashiro_tan | as
of "setup/dev-environment for a Qt/tqt3 developer" i've already asked
this question there at least three times and get no answer. |
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| vita_cell | mashiro_tan
it is so easy developing in Visual Studio or Unity Engine. But I want
to learn how to compile Cmake/tqt3/tde thing properly, and it looks hard |
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| vita_cell | so KDevelop and Qt Creator |
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| mashiro_tan | since
QtCreator parses cmake projects natively, and cmake can generate C::B
and Eclipse (and afaik KDevelop3 too) projects there is no troubles with
setting up a workspace. As for those projects that wasn't ported to
cmake build system yet like (tqt3 library) they're will be much harder
to work with since there is no any modern automation. |
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| mashiro_tan | but they're far, and bugs in konqueror or ksmserver are near :) |
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| Selk | Question, the sound (in general) could still works if TDE is compiled without arts, true? |
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| SlavekB | Selk, if TDE is built without arts, you can set up an external player for knotify. |
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| SlavekB | However, some applications in tdemultimedia may require arts => they will not be built. |
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| Selk | It won't work through ALSA? |
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| SlavekB | Many application can use Alsa (or xine on alsa) => for example amarok. |
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| SlavekB | But some applications, especially in tdemultimedia are created exclusively for the arts. |
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| Selk | I
see, and when tdemultimedia is build, it can be configured to turn off
such applications that depends on arts?. Let's say
-DWITH_...=OFF |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you can turn off building applications that depend on arts. |
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| Selk | Interesting, thx for the info. |
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| Selk | For now, I turned to OFF arts in tdelibs and tdebase and remove the package for arts |
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| Selk | Then I started TDE, and I see an error from starttde which tries to run artsshell |
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| Selk | Ah, yes. There is a direct invocation at starttde when Clean up. |
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| Selk | Probably
we should check if artsshell if present, in case that it was build with
ARTS support and the same one (package) is present. |
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| Selk | *it was build.. I mean, tdelibs, tdebase. |
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| Selk | Or we can add some echo about how will be invoked |
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| Selk | Let's say.. |
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| Selk | echo "Cleaning up..." |
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| Selk | echo "$TDEDIR/bin/artsshell -q terminate" |
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| Selk | $TDEDIR/bin/artsshell -q terminate |
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| Selk | That will be to the user a better idea what starttde is trying to perform |
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| Selk | If the arttshell is not present, it will report the error. |
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| Selk | s/That will be/That will give |
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| Selk | SlavekB: I've send an PR for tdebase, please take a look in your free time. |
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| Selk | *a PR |
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| Selk | (Ok, I updated the same PR, I detected other features that are only available in shells such as bash/ksh) |
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| Selk | The PR is for the r14-xdg-update script, BTW. |
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| Selk | _Chris_: Are you around? |
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| Selk | Can you tell me if the HWLIB feature from TDE has relation with the dbus and the dbus-python bindings? |
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| _Chris_ | Selk:
You don't need the dbus-python bindings, I think. But that depends on
how you build dbus, I think. Normaly dbus you only need for the hwlib
daemons. |
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| _Chris_ | Building
with HWLIB offers the possibility to use udevil, pmount, udisk (if you
activated the build options) and other daemons (if you activated the
build options for them too). One of that options are the HWLIB daemons,
which can be used by the HWLIB for getting information about suspend
modes and so on. |
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| _Chris_ | And that daemons use dbus. |
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| Selk | I need to explicit the HWLIBDAEMONS option in the build along with HWLIB ? |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly,
you don't need the *kit stuff, if you build with HWLIBDAEMONS + HWLIB.
If you have just pmount, that will be working also for mounting too. The
other building options, like the *kit stuff, are just additonal ways to
get the information you can get also with the HWLIBDAEMONS. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, in stable that is one option, I am sorry. |
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| _Chris_ | In master, you can activate them seperately. |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | If you build HWLIB, the daemons will be build in stable too. (Y) |
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| Selk | Thanks _Chris_ |
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| Selk | _Chris_: BTW, which was the error about hldig running on TDE? |
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| Selk | It was the content from the main help dialog, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Good
question, I think it was, yes. The perl script should be adopted for it
to work with hldig, from what I have seen back than. |
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| Selk | It worked for me |
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| Selk | Maybe because I have the symlinks for htdig at /usr/bin |
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| _Chris_ | I think I had them too, I am not quite sure anymore. So all works fine for you, also creating the index? |
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| Selk | Yeah, the full index |
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| _Chris_ | I just did one quick test, by random, because I had to test something different anyway or so. |
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| Selk | But note that TDE works for me without HWLIB |
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| Selk | Right now, I've reconfigured dbus to test if works with HWLIB... |
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| Selk | I have pmount and udevil installed, too. |
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| _Chris_ | Wonderful. Good to hear that. I already have some ebuild for hldig in the overlay, so if I have more time, I will try it. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | If it works, you should see suspend options in the shutdown dialog. |
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| Selk | See the links below, http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/dragora.git/plain/recipes/networking/hldig/recipe |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, thank you very much for that. I will try it again by next chance. :-) |
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| Selk | and tdebase contains: -DHTDIG_SEARCH_BINARY=/usr/bin/hlsearch |
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| Selk | No problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, the hlsearch symlink I had, but not the hldig one. |
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| mashiro_tan | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/src/branch/master/src/tools/qglist.cpp#L345 is anybody knows why mutex is commented in this file? |
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| tuxd3v | hello guys |
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| tuxd3v | I want to know if its possible to integrate kconversation in the System Tray |
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| tuxd3v | thanks in advance |
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| tuxd3v_ | hello guys |
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| tuxd3v_ | its possible to integrate kconversation in the systray? |
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| tuxd3v_ | like amarok does after beign lancuhed? |
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| tuxd3v_ | launched |
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| tuxd3v | hello guys, please some help configuring kconversation |
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| tuxd3v | how to identify correctly |
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| tuxd3v | File -> Server List, I already created a indentity |
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| tuxd3v | but I cannot indentify :) |
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| tuxd3v | I am using ssl |
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| tuxd3v | on server list, I added |
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| tuxd3v | chat.freenode.net |
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| tuxd3v | port 7000 |
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| tuxd3v | enabled ssl |
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| tuxd3v | but don't put there a password, because I already have a indentity witu user and password.. |
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| tuxd3v | NickServ ... is what was left to add :) |
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| tuxd3v | I start to get the fruits of Trinity Desktop... I am impressed.. :) |
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| tuxd3v | Good Documentation |
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| tuxd3v | ;) |
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| tuxd3v | Now I have another problem.. I don't have a email client , what is the email client that you guys recomend? |
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| tuxd3v | using KDE nomenclature... Kmail? |
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| tuxd3v | I searched debian for a kmail-trinity package but doesn't exist :( |
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| SlavekB | tuxd3v: package kmail-trinity exists - see http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x/pool/main/t/tdepim-trinity/ |
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| mutantturkey | tuxd3v: kmail |
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| mutantturkey | tuxd3v: it's there |
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| mutantturkey | kmail-trinity - Trinity Email client |
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| mutantturkey | tuxd3v: it mostly just works, a bit buggy for me but it's light years faster than other clients i use |
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| tuxd3v | mutantturkey: yeah you right, I made nother search and its therea kmal.trinity package :) |
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| tuxd3v | thanks |
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| tuxd3v | Hello guys, in Kconversation |
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| tuxd3v | does any one knows how to change my text colors |
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| tuxd3v | I have changed my user color, but not the text, as I don't know what number is to change :S |
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| tuxd3v | does any one knows how to encriese icons size in TDE Menu? |
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| tuxd3v | they are so tinny that I can't see them.. |
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| tuxd3v | mutantturkey: yeah I am now on Kmail.. |
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| tuxd3v | I used sylpheed, blazing fast less resources, and dark theme, but sometimes it freezesI don't know why |
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| tuxd3v | Kmail til now is working... but with a very bright theme , no dark theme :( |
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| tuxd3v | it husrts my eyes |
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| tuxd3v | hurts |
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| tuxd3v | other annoying thing is the size of the icons , they are very very small in TDE Menu |
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| mutantturkey | tuxd3v: size of icons |
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| mutantturkey | i think that can be adjusted from the control panel |
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| tuxd3v | also in taskbar |
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| mutantturkey | not an expert |
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| mutantturkey | yeah, you can fiddle wth that stuff in the settings |
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| tuxd3v | mutantturkey: do you sure I can change the icons size? |
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| tuxd3v | I will check :) |
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| tuxd3v | thanks |
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| mutantturkey | im fairly certain |
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| mutantturkey | i basically just use kpdf, kmail3, and a few others |
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| mutantturkey | konqueror |
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| mutantturkey | i dont use the wohle desktop |
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| a-865 | Is there an easy way on Buster to switch back to 14.0.7 after running it on 14.0.8b? |
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| a-865 | trinity-tdelibs cannot be installed due to unsatisfied /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt |
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| a-865 | but /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt exists (as symlink to /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt) |
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| denk | hey, guys, I just remember about my old games wrote in Qt3 and I'd like to offer you some of them |
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| denk | an example: https://apt.tambov.ru/q15.png |
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| denk | and this: https://apt.tambov.ru/q15-2.png |
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| _Chris_ | denk: Wow, that looks nice. Maybe they could be integrated at some kind in TDE. :-) |
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| denk | I just rewrote it for tqt, the screenshots were made from the new version |
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| denk | also I can rebuild this: http://devel.tambov.ru/images/QNetChess.png |
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| denk | sorry for the russian screenshot... |
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| _Chris_ | Great. No problem, I think everyone can see about what the games are. :-) |
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| denk | then first archive for testing: https://apt.tambov.ru/q15-1.0.tar.bz2 |
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| _Chris_ | denk: Nice. Maybe you should release it under GPL or so, for people doing something based on it. :-) |
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| pitriss | denk: maybe you would like to merge them with TDE? It looks nice.. And I guess some new things could not harm:) |
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| denk | maybe I will do it this week end |
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| denk | how does AUTOMOC work? what did I forget? https://paste.dilos.org/?ce7c1de5125ac070#9Ip/3es0i8pDwiZDivKtSpSr17/qeIjT9LIypUJ88m8= |
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| denk | huh... solved, thanks for the help |
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| denk | q15 has commited to tdegames but it is not integrated to the main build process, please review it |
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| denk | ha! it works! https://apt.tambov.ru/tqnetchess.png |
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| _Chris_ | Wow, great denk! And already with the CMake BS, as I can see? :-) |
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| _Chris_ | If that can be integrated as an reperate repo, I can create some ebuild for Gentoo for it, so TDE users can enjoy it too. |
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| denk | commited, please review |
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| denk | I hope some native english speaker will fix all my Yoda-style messages in the programs |
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| _Chris_ | Yoda-Style. That is cute. :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | hi, I can't reset my password on Gitea, the confirmation email doesn't arrive... |
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| SlavekB | Is it possible that it is included in the Junk E-mail folder? |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: nope, already checked... |
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| _Chris_ | Hello Fat-Zer. Thanks for your great work all the years, related to the Gentoo overlay. :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_:
thanks, np, but, for several years I was almost inactive, and the
overlay is almost unusable by now... But I finally managed myself to get
start working on it again now, so there is a big overhaul is coming... |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer, I do not see any email that would return as undelivered or that is waiting in queue. |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: does password reset url works for you? |
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| _Chris_ | Fat-Zer:
I wasn't aware, you are not aware of, that I have forked your overlay
and it is now hosted at gitea. Look at it. We wanted to continoue your
legacy. You are heartly invited to join us. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
Fat-Zer, a lot of people realized that and we had to do something about
it. It seemed you hadn't the time anymore or so and there was some
problem with the TDE servers, so the CMake modules couldn't be loaded
and the first forkes arrived. |
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| _Chris_ | Right now, Slavek did a lot of work to move to the new TDEbox. |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_:
Great work! I've seen the repo on Gitea a year or so ago, but those
time it pas just direct pull of mine, so I assumed it wasn't maintained
as well... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I think Slavek did that pull back than, because it wasn't sure if it could be away some day or so.. |
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| SlavekB | Previously, I only had clone of your repository in my account. Now it is a new repository that is a full part of TDE umbrella. |
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| _Chris_ | The idea was, that we all join forces, because it started that mutiple people did some forkes alone. |
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| Fat-Zer | yeah,
I understand... you did everything right... actually, I will officially
mark my github repo as unmaintained and add links to yours... |
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| _Chris_ | That
would be great. I wanted to sent you some email anyway in near future,
but I did that years ago, or so and it seems you never got it. |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_: As I can see, I've actually respond to one of your emails back in 2016, but was a month late >_<... |
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| _Chris_ | Wow,
than that is interesting. But, no problem. I doesn't wanted to create
some GH account anyway really and was a way more happy about having
gitea. But that would be okay, if there were no other option. Now we
have solved it anyway. |
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| _Chris_ | Greg is doing some great work since then, with the CMake conversions. So a lot of things are much more easy these days for us. |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer, please try using branches instead of forks - see instructions on TDE wiki. |
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| SlavekB | See shared collaboration with branches |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace#To_contribute_code_changes |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: ok, sorry... but why? is it a resource consumption issue? |
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| Fat-Zer | With branches it's easier to miss and commit directly to master... |
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| SlavekB | Each fork means duplicating the repository on the disk ... and each fork then remains abandoned and thus completely useless... |
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| Fat-Zer | ok, good to know... I'll drop the fork after merging... |
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| SlavekB | I like to use your fork of tdebase as an example of abandoned - so useless fork :) |
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| Fat-Zer | lol... I suppose I shouldn't drop it now for education purposes =) |
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| SlavekB | Pushing into major branches such as master and r14.0.x is limited to members of the Owner and Core team only. |
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| SlavekB | So
it can't happen that you would accidentally push into the master branch
because you are now a member of the Contributors team. |
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| Fat-Zer | oh, good to know, AFAIR, I had an issue with that a year ago... |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: by the word, haven't you considered to adopt some online internalization framework for trinity e.g. Weblate or Pottle? |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/ |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek was very, very productive this year. :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | oh cool! |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek even added desktop file translation recently. |
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| _Chris_ | And with that some change that the LINGUAS variable is used for selectively install translations and docs. |
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| SlavekB | You
can see that the common CMake module now includes our framework - a set
of TDEL10n functions that help us maintain POT files. |
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| Fat-Zer | Great! |
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| SlavekB | I
dare say that thanks to our framework, extracting strings is at a much
better level than it ever was - better than other environments. |
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| _Chris_ | But that is added part by part. Meanwhile there will be a mixed mode for the ebuilds. |
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| SlavekB | As Chris mentioned, we now have new support for translating destkop style files using Weblate. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore now we will gradually add translations for desktop files. |
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| SlavekB | Translations that come from Weblate to the master branch are then automatically merged into a stable branch. |
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| SlavekB | See instructions on TDE wiki :) |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Weblate_Translation_Workspace |
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| Fat-Zer | yeah big changes... it looks like that everything is exactly as it should to be. Great work, SlavekB! |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
since than the contributions of TDE started to skyrocket. We have many
translators already. Just `RU` made me often a bit of headache, but
maybe you can help with that, Fat-Zer. |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_:
I may help a bit, but there is a lot of work: tdelibs and tdebase alone
got 4k and 9k untranslated words respectively... that won't be a fast
to solve task... |
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| _Chris_ | Oh,
that is possible. But, I already had such a task with German back then.
I invested really a lot of time and I am not even done, but with
Weblate, you can do that much faster than you think. Just give it a try.
Just start to understand how your lanuage was supposed to be used
(common words and such) in TDE. You will get a feeling for it, so it is
consistent. |
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| _Chris_ | Most
of the time, you will encounter `fuzzy` marked entries. So the right,
or nearly right translation is already there, but you just need to
review it and/or confirm. Often that is the reason translations are full
of mixed English parts. |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_:
Yeah, I know how weblate works =) I actually help up with several
projects... but I'm a bit of neat pick in translation, so every time I
try to come up with the best and most accurate lines, reviewing all the
details and term usage over and over again... |
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| Fat-Zer | So all it consumes a fair amount of time for me.... |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that is likely how I handle it. :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_:
by the word, haven't you considered to pitch to gentoo's upstream to
include the overlay to the layman's main list? It looks mature enough
for me... |
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| _Chris_ | And I think that is the best way, even when it consumes more time. I wasn't aware of you know Weblate already. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but I am not sure about. It is a complet other topic. Some Gentoo
developers are very against TDE and I am really sure, that will make
problems, because all starts alone with the fact some activity and
reaction to bug reports in *their* bugtracker is required. With EAPI7,
they introduced just more QA checks, which the overlay will ever fail
against. The paths, for example. And to get into Layman, that is some
requirement. I am |
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| _Chris_ | very
unhappy the way Gentoo is getting, by the way and I found it would be
the best just to start some big advertising in the forums, MLs and such,
at least if the stable ebuilds (eliddle is working on) are mature. |
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| _Chris_ | I
even plan do start some other Gentoo related overlays, because Gentoo
started to remove more and more USE flags from ebuilds or other things.
But I can't do all at once. But I am open about it and in fact, eliddle
too. We already talked about that in some issue. |
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| _Chris_ | And
the eclass needs support for other translation structures and also
hiddenvisibility needs to be added. The second is what I haven't merged
so far, but will. |
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| _Chris_ | The
path issue, I want to fix by adding some ebuild, which modifies the
qa-check file of portage, which gets re-emerged after every portage
ebuild, or so. Something like that, they will never allow to be added to
layman. At least if they notice it. The bump with EAPI started to
trigger the paths related QA check and therefore, only /usr/ is allowed
and not /usr/trinity, for example. |
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| _Chris_ | *rebuild |
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| _Chris_ | In
the Gentoo forums you can read the TDE threads, users started and
linked to your overlay. Instantly some Gentoo devs hjacked them and
started to bash TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | We have more Gentoo users in this channel with likely experience. So, just some points.. |
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| _Chris_ | I
think, in some month or so, we can start to promote it and get maybe
some feedback and can try to get it into layman. But I would prefer to
keep bug reports and so under the TDE umbrella, after all. :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_:
I know about the prefix issue, but IMHO it's better to live on with QA
warnings rather than hack into the checks... almost all overlay contain a
lot of QA warning and repoman complains, so I don't thing that would be
some huge problem... ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
it's for every ebuild in this case and it's just what the official
requirements for getting accepted are. So, if there is flexibility from
the Gentoo side, we can do that. |
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| _Chris_ | I assume you are also using the live ebuilds all the time, or are you using stable, Fat-Zer? :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | _Chris_: live... I've never managed to create stable since 3.x times... |
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| _Chris_ | Great,
so maybe you can test the live ebuids of the overlay then. But many USE
flags maybe have changed. Some are WIP. Eliddle is working on some
14.0.6 ebuilds, which will be bumped than to 14.0.7 and 14.0.8, if she
is ready. But that will take a while, it seems. |
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| _Chris_ | It is wonderful you are alive again. |
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| _Chris_ | :-P |
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| Fat-Zer | Sure,
but I've got some changes to eclasses first... and I'd suggest to make
live ebuilds hybrid e.g. with `if [[$PV == 9999]]; then KEYWORDS="";
else KEYWORDS="x86 amd64"; fi` and then just copy those to stable... |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
that sounds like some good idea. I already had some thought about
something likely, but at first I wanted to get some clean state of the
ebuild and thought that can be done later to optimize. Because eliddle
seems to have already wrote some bumping script for this. |
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| _Chris_ | I wanted to let Eliddle do it the way she wants to do it. |
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| _Chris_ | I
already wrote mutiple times, that it would most likely better, just to
copy over the live ebuilds and to just modify them, but now she did it
this way. For newer stable ebuilds we can look into that, okay? |
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| Fat-Zer | okay, sure... |
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| Fat-Zer | by the way, is there any reason to keep around my old eclasses? |
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| _Chris_ | No, there isn't. Feel free to do some PR about! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Something I wanted to do since some time, but every time started something other. |
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| _Chris_ | In fact, I wanted to mention you in the commit. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I
also think about splitting up tdebase further. There are mutiple
reasons for that. One is the overview. So that would mean trinity-base,
trinity-graphics. trinity-multimedia and such. And trinity-apps, like it
was. But Eliddle and me came to the consens that would be too much
categories, but with more and more ebuilds and a new view, I wanted to
start a new talk about. What do you think about that, Fat-Zer? |
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| _Chris_ | This way you would have some better overview what is already in and it would just clone one to one the strcuture of TDE itself. |
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| _Chris_ | Looking for TDE games in the whole trinity-base, could be some pain, for example. |
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| Fat-Zer | I'd rather keep it as it is... at most add some trinity-misc category... or may be trinity-libs... |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, we will see. Right now that isn't important anyway. So it will stay as it is. |
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| SlavekB | FYI: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::16857 |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB:
hi, tdenetwork somewhy bundles a copy of libvncclient/server... As far
as I can see libvnc* has an active upstream, so are there any reasons to
keep our own copy maintained by tde? |
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| SlavekB | There are some modifications specific to tde - see https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/libtdevnc |
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| SlavekB | We try to synchronize with upstream releases. |
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| _Chris_ | Fat-Zer: Thanks for updating your overlay description. |
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| Fat-Zer | np... |
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| a-865 | Some
days ago here I reported plastik was missing from 14.0.8pre, possibly
on Ubuntu, but maybe Bullseye or Mageia, and the UI had unexpected
visual trashing. Now on a different system it happened again, in Focal,
and I can't remember how to get it back. :-( Can anyone remind me what
might have been missing? |
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| a-865 | /opt/trinity/bin/kmix; error while loading shared libraries: libtdeinit_kmix.so, ... nosuch |
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| a-865 | http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/deb11-1408pre-strange.png |
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| a-865 | 18 days ago |
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| a-865 | no wonder I've forgotten :-p |
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| SlavekB | a-865,
I remember that your observation was strange in that on one machine you
observed problems while on another machine there were no problems,
although it was the same packages. |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: IIRC, both previous were Debian, but this one is Eoan. |
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| a-865 | I was thinking you pointed me to something plastik-related, but I can't remember. :-( |
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| a-865 | yep, the screenshot is Bullseye, which is using an NVidia GPU with modesetting DDX |
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| a-865 | other screenshot is from same Bullseye PC http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/deb11-1408pre-tabs.png |
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| SlavekB | Last
time we checked that everything seems to be as it should be. And you
tried a different style - I think Keramic and this style did not show a
problem. |
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| a-865 | booted
other PC from that day that I thought was OK, but systemctl status tdm
showsing bad-setting: Unit tdm.service has a bad unit file setting. |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| a-865 | inactve (dead) |
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| a-865 | something's wrong with login service |
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| SlavekB | There is possible to get some more information what setting is considered bad? |
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| a-865 | ro root filesystem :-( |
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| a-865 | some repartitioning fallout... |
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| SlavekB | what file system is it? |
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| a-865 | / |
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| SlavekB | I mean type of filesystem :) |
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| a-865 | EXT4 |
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| SlavekB | In any case, this looks like some problem with either the filesystem => fsck is necessary or the disk itself. |
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| a-865 | problem solved, just waiting reboot to finish |
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| a-865 | typo in fstab following repartitioning |
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| a-865 | actually, changed volume label from sid to bullseye |
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| SlavekB | Problem with tdm.service is solved by this? |
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| a-865 | still systemctl status tdm showsing bad-setting: Unit tdm.service has a bad unit file setting with RW / filesystem |
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| a-865 | which tree is tdm.service file in? |
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| SlavekB | /lib/systemd/system/tdm.service |
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| a-865 | tdm
now fixed. I had the copy of tdm.service from Fedora remaining in
/etc/systemd/system after getting the missing one back into place in
/lib/systemc/system/. 19 days ago I really can't remember what was going
on. Plastik works normally in this one. |
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| a-865 | what package provides plastik? I could try reinstalling on those that it's corrupt. |
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| SlavekB | tdelibs14-trinity |
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| a-865 | lsof | grep stik | wc -l -> 17 on the working one. I think wd was 1 on the last non-working. |
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| a-865 | lsof | grep stik | wc -l -> 17 on the working one. I think wc was 1 on the last non-working. |
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| SlavekB | This
is suspicious because there is a so a la file for style as such.
Likewise, there is the same pair of files for the configuration module.
Next, there will be a desktop file with a style definition. So it is
definitely more than one file. |
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| a-865 | in focal there is no plastik in the style select list, wc for plastik is just 1 |
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| a-865 | apt reinstall tdelibs14-trinity didn't help |
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| a-865 | Keramik works normally |
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| a-865 | plastik is in the theme manager list |
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| a-865 | and selected |
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| a-865 | selecting keramik theme works ok, but switching back to plastik reverts to the bad |
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| a-865 | lotsa bad kcontrol stuff in .xsession-errors |
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| SlavekB | dpkg -L tdelibs14-trinity | grep plastik | wc -l |
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| a-865 | 4 |
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| SlavekB | And these files are on disk? |
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| SlavekB | /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/plugins/styles/plastik.la |
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| SlavekB | /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/plugins/styles/plastik.so |
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| SlavekB | /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/tdestyle_plastik_config.la |
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| SlavekB | /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/tdestyle_plastik_config.so |
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| a-865 | all 4 exist |
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| SlavekB | ldd /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/plugins/styles/plastik.so |
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| SlavekB | it should show a number of libraries where all should be available. |
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| a-865 | wc on those is 36 |
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| a-865 | wc -l on those is 36 |
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| a-865 | apt update is complaining about missing main-r14/i386/Packages |
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| a-865 | I have to go for now |
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| SlavekB | Yes, that's okay because i386 packages for Focal are not built. |
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| a-865 | just tried a dist-upgrade from buster to bullseye, and it spontaneously rebooted before asking about tdmrc replacement :-( |
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| a-865 | dpkg --configure -a now running |
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| a-865 | recovery success |
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| a-865 | plastik is working correctly on this one |
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| Fat-Zer | Is c++11 allowed in TDE? |
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| SlavekB | https://knome.org |
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| denk | come to the dark side, we have cookies |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, wow.. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I got it. :-) |
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| SlavekB | If you want some accompanying text :) |
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| SlavekB | https://medium.com/linux-plus-plus/the-best-of-both-worlds-knome-176f19202769 |
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| denk | btw, don't forget that there is a fool's day today |
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| _Chris_ | Well, for them there is always fool's day, after all. At least since GTK3. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Sure, of course, that's why I sent it :) |
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| _Chris_ | But
good one, SlavekB. The really thing what should worry is, that it
wouldn't be such strange to see something like that, after all. Today
you have to expect the unexpectable. |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB:
I've looked into krfb/krdc and libvncserver/client: it seams that krfb
could be ported to be linked against stock libvncserver without
functionality loss at all, but I would suggest to drop disabling
wallpaper by client initiative anyway, because it's a weird kde-3
extension, that is not supported by any client including current krdc
nor from TDE nor kde-5... |
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| Fat-Zer | krdc,
would need to undergo some changes, and some compromises should have
done on some _very_ minor functionality, but it's steal shouldn't be
much of a problem too... |
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| Fat-Zer | PS: Is c++11 allowed in TDE? |
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| SlavekB | Currently,
the oldest supported distributions are Debian Wheezy and Ubuntu
Precise. So we have to check what versions of GCC are in these
distributions - whether they have C ++ 11 support. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I might remember TDE still builds with GCC 4.7 fine so far. And
from what I know the default mode of C++11 or C++14 was only introduced
with GCC 5/6. |
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| _Chris_ | And Libvncserver is still on 0.9.12, which was already backported https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libtdevnc/commit/?id=f3f392caec43b4095bc1d84b315ed7972c13c144 - So maybe that would be something for R14.2.0 or so, Slavek? |
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| SlavekB | You mean to replace libtdevnc with upstream version in R14.2.x? |
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| SlavekB | Currently we are trying to be synchronized with upstream releases. Since current is 0.9.12, libtdevnc is also currently 0.9.12. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I think that is what is the intention, right? If the minor
functionality is really so minor. But it is at the same time always nice
to support older compilers and distributions, after all TDE is more
conservative. Maybe there can be some kind of compromise about. |
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| Fat-Zer | Nope, I meant to drop libtdevnc compleatly and use stock libvncserver. |
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| Fat-Zer | IMHO
It's quite a waist of time to maintain your own version leaving alone
fixing ongoing security vulnerabilities in packages... |
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| SlavekB | Here
you can see that we are moving forward. Originally there was a lot old
clone included in tdenetwork (this applies to R14.0.x). Now there is
libtdevnc which is synchronized with upstream. If we verify that our
specific changes are no longer needed, then we can move forward again
and leave libtdevnc. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Have you fixed that translation adding in Weblate, or isn't that hanging anymore just at the moment? |
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| SlavekB | It's still broken. I still have to respond to newly added translations and take manual steps. |
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| SlavekB | However, you can see that I usually notice quite quickly :) |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB: yeah, it's more of declaration of intention rather than anything else ;))) |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Yes, I did notice that. In fact, it was so quick I was wondered. :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | As
for c++11, I suppose it looks like it's not used anywhere but I suppose
it woukd be ok as far as the standard is defined explicitly in cmake...
But I'm wondering if Wheezy's ancient cmake even supports
`CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD`... |
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| SlavekB | Originally in the "admin" module for automake was enforcing the C++ standard. However, it caused more problems than good. |
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| SlavekB | For CMake builds there is no enforcement of C++ standards except in situations where used libraries required it. |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
if the standard is mixed I that can break things. GCC also started to
define a default, which caused some problems back then in Gentoo. |
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| SlavekB | For
example, newer versions of ICU require specific C++ standard. And it is
usually quite annoying to deal with some libraries requiring a newer
version of the standard than the default in a particular distribution. |
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| SlavekB | For
example, the latest libpgxx requires C++17, and along with this change,
the API functions previously used in KOffice have been completely
degraded. |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
that C++ standard bumping now every few years sucks anyway. Developers
and maintainers are leaved behind with too much change anyway. That made
things just worse for older applications. A lot of good software was
dropped, just to enforce newer C++ standards in some Distributions. |
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| _Chris_ | At
the same time, TDE works just wonderful with newer C++ modes. Just
poppler related things made problems in the past, from what I still
know. |
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| SlavekB | Poppler is absolutely unique phenomenon! |
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| * _Chris_ laughts. |
| SlavekB | Its developers have a constant need to break the API with almost every version. |
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| _Chris_ | The FFMPEG style of API break.. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | Most
recently, we have a problem on Ubuntu 20.04 because a few days ago
poppler was updated from 0.85 to 0.86 => broken API, tdegraphics has
to be patched. |
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| _Chris_ | Good you speak about that.. Noted. |
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| SlavekB | There was almost a miracle that between 0.82 and 0.85 there was no API change ... or not one that would break tdegraphics. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, if KPDF would be ported away from XPDF code to poppler there would be one place more to fix.. |
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| Selk | Hi everybody |
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| Selk | Hey, when the incoming release is expected? |
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| SlavekB | http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::16857 |
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| Selk | Nice. I will set if I can find the time to make some translantions... |
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| Selk | s/set/see |
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| Selk | I should subscribed to the ML.... |
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| tuxd3v | is there any network-manager for TDE? |
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| SlavekB | tuxd3v: for DEB you can found network-manager-tde package |
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| a-865 | what package contains kruler? |
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| SlavekB | kruler-trinity from tdegraphics source. |
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| tuxd3v | SlavekB: thanks |
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| tuxd3v | I will try it :) |
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| tuxd3v | SlavekB: its possible to have vpn woking with it? |
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| tuxd3v | woking -> working |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure if there is currently support for vpn plugins. |
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| tuxd3v | in the systray icom there are a entry in 'New Conection' that gives you 2 possibilities, one is VPN |
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| tuxd3v | but yeah vpn plugins could be not availlable :( |
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| tuxd3v | inside vpn option |
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| tuxd3v | there are a list, and that list if empty in fact |
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| tuxd3v | but it could mean that I have to install some plugins |
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| pluto2020 | Hi there |
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| pluto2020 | Somebody knows how to assign Keyboard-Keys for volume-up an volume-down in trinity? |
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| pluto2020 | I tried the trinity control-centre > Keyboard-Shortcuts |
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| pluto2020 | but volume+ and volume- doesn't exist there |
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| pluto2020 | you can assign keys to almost everything... |
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| SlavekB | Start KMix, then open the mixer window and set global shotrcuts there. |
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| _Chris_ | Or,
if you use Amarok, for example and you want to control only the music
volume, you can do the same with Amarok too, as Slavek wrote. |
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| pluto2020 | aah..I see...that's the problem..I'm using pulseaudio |
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| _Chris_ | But, KMix should control your main channel, which PA is using too, from what I know about PA. So give it some try. :-) |
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| pluto2020 | It doesn't work - it's not recognizing the key-press |
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| pluto2020 | I have two buttons on my keyboard for vol+ and vol- |
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| _Chris_ | Also if you are in the global shortcuts dialog? |
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| _Chris_ | Sometimes, if using some Laptops, they keys are not recognized properly without some magic. |
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| pluto2020 | Propably that's the problem... |
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| _Chris_ | Are you using some Desktop keyboard, or are you on some laptop? |
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| pluto2020 | IIt's an old desktop-keyboard from A4Tech |
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| _Chris_ | Hm and when you say "old" you mean old like "USB" or old like "PS2"? |
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| pluto2020 | There is a german ubuntu-wiki-pake about the "magic": https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Xmodmap/ |
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| pluto2020 | just reading it for some clues |
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| * _Chris_ is using some A4Tech mouse too. |
| _Chris_ | Are
you using Ubuntu? I tend to forgot about this keyboard magic all the
time, when I got it working. Normaly, with the evdev driver and modern
USB keyboards this all should work out of the box these days, normaly. |
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| pluto2020 | yes it's ubuntu bionic. The keboard is an very old one: It's using ps2! |
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| _Chris_ | But, maybe you should play with what is written in the article. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, PS2! |
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| pluto2020 | it reads there was a file ~/.Xmodmap |
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| pluto2020 | is file is present in my system ! :) |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
from what I know, that makes things more complicated. At least I had
mutiple keyboards with not working special buttons which were PS2. |
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| pluto2020 | However when I type xev in terminal I can see the keycode |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, try to play with that. I am sure it will make you happy. |
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| pluto2020 | in my case vol+ is keycode 123 |
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| pluto2020 | However this keycode is present in ~/.Xmodmap ! |
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| pluto2020 | "keycode 123 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioRaiseVolume" |
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| pluto2020 | So it's set-up properly |
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| _Chris_ | Well, for reference. KMix has hang up for me right now when playing with the shortcuts. |
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| pluto2020 | LOL :) |
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| pluto2020 | In kmix global-shortcuts-menu it's reading the same command "XF86AudioRaiseVolume" |
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| pluto2020 | so...~/.Xmodmap...is not in use by the system?...I don't know...how do I diagnose the problem? |
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| pluto2020 | ...bye Chris... |
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| pluto2020 | :-( |
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| _Chris_ | Hm,
good question. I don't have the possibility to test and play with that
right now. So if you press the button and KMix is recognizing it as
"XF86AudioRaiseVolume", that should be fine. Have you tried to use it in
another context then? Let's say for triggering "play" and "stop"? |
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| pluto2020 | no, no. Kmix doesn't recognize the buttons |
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| pluto2020 | it's preconfigured with the button "XF86AudioRaiseVolume" to raise the volume |
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| pluto2020 | XF86AudioRaiseVolume is set-up in ~/.Xmodmap with key-code 123, which is correct |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, about the preconfiguration you are right. I noticed that too right now. |
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| pluto2020 | so I assume ~/.Xmodmap isn't read by the system |
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| _Chris_ | Have you looked at the last part in the article you linked about this case? |
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| pluto2020 | yes, the thing with the delay? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but in general. To try to trigger the reading. |
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| pluto2020 | I type manually in the terminal: "xmodmap ./.Xmodmap" |
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| pluto2020 | or "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" |
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| pluto2020 | but nothing happens |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. Have you some applications like Audacious or so, in which you can try to enable shortcuts too? |
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| pluto2020 | qmmp |
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| _Chris_ | And it doesn't recognize the buttons either? |
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| _Chris_ | Do you have the model name of your keyboard? |
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| pluto2020 | Just trying... |
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| pluto2020 | no, it doesn't recognize the key-press |
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| pluto2020 | either |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so not TDE related. Just to make sure. |
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| pluto2020 | A4Tech KeyWorks Office |
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| pluto2020 | it's super-old |
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| pluto2020 | from 2001 |
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| pluto2020 | Maybe I found a clue: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52909154/changing-keyboard-keys-on-new-ubuntu-18-04-xmodmap-not-working-any-more |
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| pluto2020 | They claim that xmodmap is not working anymore in ubuntu 18.04 |
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| pluto2020 | "Yes,
indeed. Xmodmap is no longer supported in gnome. Pleas install gnome
tweak tools where you could adjust your keyboard mapping in a gui." |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, wondered me, the article said it is tested for all recent ubuntu versions. |
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| pluto2020 | gnome tweak tools propably is the wrong solution for trinity-users... |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that is GNOME. |
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| pluto2020 | Doesn't matter...when they removed the feature |
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| pluto2020 | propably all DEs are affected |
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| pluto2020 | xmodmap usually is loaded with the Xserver |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly xmodmap should work still, even with evdev. |
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| pluto2020 | what is evdev? |
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| _Chris_ | That is used for USB input devices these days. It's some more modern X11 input device driver. |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly
input devices using evdev are doing the mapping by default and most of
the time properly, but you can even fix some things with xmodmap. |
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| pluto2020 | I see... |
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| pluto2020 | however...xmodmap doesn't seem to work |
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| _Chris_ | But you are not getting some feedback like "xmodmap: unknown command on line modmap:xxx" or so? |
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| pluto2020 | I mean typing manually "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" should give me my adition keys, shouldn't it? |
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| pluto2020 | no nothing |
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| _Chris_ | Normaly, yes. |
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| pluto2020 | So gnome has this gnome tweak tools...is there something similar for trinity? |
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| _Chris_ | You can try to re-login after triggering the read-in of your modmap file. |
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| pluto2020 | you mean with adding it to ~/.profile ? |
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| _Chris_ | I mean re-login after changing the modmap file and yes. |
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| pluto2020 | the modmap-file is ok |
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| pluto2020 | it was set-up correctly |
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| _Chris_ | Just with your line, nothing more? |
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| pluto2020 | when I type "cat ~/.Xmodmap I get a long list with keys |
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| _Chris_ | https://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/xmodmap/3/ |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so maybe you can try just to issue the line which is important to you. |
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| pluto2020 | here is a shortened snippet: |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 118 = Insert NoSymbol Insert |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 119 = Delete NoSymbol Delete |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 120 = |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 121 = XF86AudioMute NoSymbol XF86AudioMute |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 122 = XF86AudioLowerVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioLowerVolume |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 123 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioRaiseVolume |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 124 = XF86PowerOff NoSymbol XF86PowerOff |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 125 = KP_Equal NoSymbol KP_Equal |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 126 = plusminus NoSymbol plusminus |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 127 = Pause Break Pause Break |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 128 = XF86LaunchA NoSymbol XF86LaunchA |
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| _Chris_ | No. |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 122 an 123 are correct |
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| _Chris_ | https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| _Chris_ | It seems, yes, in Ubuntu it is no longer read by default. |
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| pluto2020 | so...can I re-enable it somehow? |
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| pluto2020 | super-annoying...maybe I should visit their forums and thank them |
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| _Chris_ | Well, the main problem is it isn't working for you. If you trigger it by command, it should work. |
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| pluto2020 | with "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" ? |
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| pluto2020 | Well...it doesn't |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| _Chris_ | You can try just to "xmodmap -e "your line". |
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| pluto2020 | like this?: xmodmap -e "keycode 123 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioRaiseVolume" |
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| pluto2020 | ok, I'll try that |
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| pluto2020 | nothing happens |
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| pluto2020 | I also typed xmodmap -e "keycode 122 = XF86AudioLowerVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioLowerVolume" |
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| pluto2020 | afterwards, I typed: xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap again |
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| pluto2020 | no error-messages |
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| pluto2020 | it's just not working |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/where-is-xf86audioraisevolume-in-kde-3-define-the-volume-up-command-260740/ |
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| _Chris_ | Try to remove that NoSymbol... stuff. |
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| pluto2020 | ok |
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| pluto2020 | no change |
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| _Chris_ | But it is surely the right keyboard which "xev" outputs? |
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| _Chris_ | So if that isn't fixed until tomorrow evening, I will try it myself with some very old keyboard I never tried it with. |
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| pluto2020 | https://paste.debian.net/1139208/ |
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| pluto2020 | "serial 39" looks like PS2 |
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| pluto2020 | not sure...what you mean with "right keyboard" |
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| _Chris_ | "keycode" - I am sorry. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | "state 0x10, keycode 123 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume)" |
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| pluto2020 | well, the other keys (play, stop next song) are working |
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| pluto2020 | play is keycode 39 |
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| _Chris_ | From
not really knowing much about this anymore, it seems that looks good.
Have you tried to re-issue the xmodmap -e command to bing it to
"XF86AudioLowerVolume" instead and re-checked? |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, have you also tried to issue some xmodmap command to try to change "play"? |
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| _Chris_ | With this we could verify xmodmap is working. |
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| pluto2020 | wait wait...I can't find the play command in .Xmodmap |
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| pluto2020 | searching... |
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| _Chris_ | XF86Play |
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| _Chris_ | XF86Stop |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can try to change them. |
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| pluto2020 | both are not present in the file |
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| _Chris_ | No, just use xmodmap -e "xxxx" |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 36 is: |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 36 = Return NoSymbol Return |
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| pluto2020 | ...so...the "wrong" key |
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| _Chris_ | One question. |
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| _Chris_ | Are you using KMilo? |
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| pluto2020 | ???...uhm...no |
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| _Chris_ | Can
you look at KControl -> TDE components -> Servives and look for
some "KMilo" service? And if it is running, can you stop it? |
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| pluto2020 | no, there is no kmilo |
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| pluto2020 | there is printer service, digital wallet, ssl,... |
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| pluto2020 | but no kmilo |
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| _Chris_ | To be honest, the output you wrote from xev about XF86AudioRaiseVolume seems to look good I think. |
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| _Chris_ | All good. |
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| _Chris_ | If
you restart your machine and try to re-issue the xev command, it would
be interesting if it is still "state 0x10, keycode 123 (keysym
0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume)". |
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| _Chris_ | Because,
if so, it seems the key is rightly mapped. The fact all your other keys
(even with this old keyboard) are working fine too speaks for that too. |
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| pluto2020 | found the play-command in Xmodmap: |
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| pluto2020 | keycode 172 = XF86AudioPlay XF86AudioPause XF86AudioPlay XF86AudioPause |
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| _Chris_ | And if you re-check that with xev, is that right? |
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| pluto2020 | no |
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| pluto2020 | in xev it's keycode 39 |
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| _Chris_ | For example "keycode 236 (keysym 0x1008ff19, XF86Mail)" would mean "236" is already properly mapped to the Mail button. |
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| pluto2020 | sorry, keycode 36 |
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| _Chris_ | And your xev output suggests "XF86AudioRaiseVolume" is already mapped correctly to your keycode. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe the xmodmap file in Ubuntu is just old. Is it some new install? |
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| _Chris_ | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/XF86_keyboard_symbols |
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| pluto2020 | yes it's a brand-new install, a week ago |
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| pluto2020 | https://paste.debian.net/1139211/ |
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| pluto2020 | the play-button has keycode 36, but in .Xmodmap it is assigned to 172, as mentioned before |
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| pluto2020 | I really think .Xmodmap is not in use by the system |
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| _Chris_ | Try
to ditch the xmodmap file. Rename it, try some re-start and paste the
output of xev for your XF86AudioRaiseVolume button again, but without
playing with xmodmap before, okay? |
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| pluto2020 | ok |
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| _Chris_ | If it is not showing keycode mapped to XF86AudioRaiseVolume then, but after your xmodmap command, then xmodmap is working fine. |
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| pluto2020 | I moved the file ~/.Xmodmap to ~/.Xmodmap-backup |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| pluto2020 | should I restart something now? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes. |
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| pluto2020 | when typing xev |
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| pluto2020 | what should I restart? |
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| _Chris_ | No, just re-start your machine. Just to make sure.. |
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| pluto2020 | ok, see you later... |
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| pluto2020 | Hi |
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| pluto2020 | I'm back |
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| pluto2020 | https://pastebin.com/0RK9D1ZR |
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| _Chris_ | So try to issue the xev command again, with the XF86AudioRaiseVolume. |
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| pluto2020 | No change in behavior |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting! |
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| pluto2020 | xev still reports volume-up-key as XF86AudioRaiseVolume |
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| _Chris_ | That means your key shoult be working. |
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| pluto2020 | though ~/.Xmodmap is not present anymore |
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| _Chris_ | Right. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you try that with XF86Play? |
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| pluto2020 | that means the key is defined somewhere else |
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| pluto2020 | not in .Xmodmap |
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| _Chris_ | It means it should be working. |
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| _Chris_ | Xmodmap isn't needed if it works. |
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| _Chris_ | Can you try to test your "XF86AudioPlay" key in xev? |
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| pluto2020 | https://pastebin.com/RJV3HWmZ |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | Well.. |
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| _Chris_ | That looks good. |
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| pluto2020 | play now is key 172 |
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| _Chris_ | At least I would say the key mappings are not your problem. |
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| pluto2020 | why? |
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| _Chris_ | Because xev says they are working fine. |
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| pluto2020 | but ~/.Xmodmap is not present |
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| pluto2020 | where are the mappings from? |
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| pluto2020 | nothing should work now |
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| _Chris_ | Well, there are more ways and xmodmap is only used today if this isn't working. |
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| pluto2020 | I see... |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration |
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| _Chris_ | "The
Xorg server uses the X keyboard extension (XKB) to define keyboard
layouts. Optionally, xmodmap can be used to access the internal keymap
table directly, although this is not recommended for complex tasks." |
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| pluto2020 | however, play was keycode 36 before, wasn't it? |
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| pluto2020 | now it's 172 |
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| _Chris_ | I
might be wrong, but I would say your volume keys should exactly work
the way your play and stop keys are working now. Without any xmodmap
magic. |
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| pluto2020 | so renaming ~/.Xmodmap did make a change, did it? |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, good question. Let me see the backlog.. |
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| _Chris_ | You
wrote: "[00:48] <pluto2020> the play-button has keycode 36, but
in .Xmodmap it is assigned to 172, as mentioned before" |
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| _Chris_ | No you moved your .Xmodmap file and it is 172 and not 36 anymore, yes? |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| pluto2020 | in both cases play was/is working |
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| pluto2020 | :-/ this is so unbelievable |
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| _Chris_ | But, again, if the mapping is working, it should work. |
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| pluto2020 | Volume-Keys are still dead |
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| _Chris_ | But in non TDE applications the play keys are working too, but the volume keys not, right? |
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| pluto2020 | I'm listening to music the whole time.. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, give things a bit of time. We have better keyboard masterminds here too. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you used Linux on your machine with that keyboard too? |
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| pluto2020 | yea, right |
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| _Chris_ | Just join us here tomorrow night/day, or so. |
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| pluto2020 | it's driving me crazy...everytime I want to lower the volume, I press this volume-keys...AND IT'S NOT WORKING |
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| _Chris_ | Well, keep cool. In some days you will have fixed it. :-) |
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| pluto2020 | this is so linux...you need a degree in computer-science to remap a keyboard-key |
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| _Chris_ | But regarding my question: What Linux did you use before with that machine and keyboard? |
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| pluto2020 | ok, thank you |
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| pluto2020 | before...antix |
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| _Chris_ | And it was working out of the box? |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| pluto2020 | it's running from stick |
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| pluto2020 | no problems |
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| _Chris_ | That is a good sign. |
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| _Chris_ | Was it a recent release? |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| pluto2020 | still using it in parallel for my studies |
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| _Chris_ | So I am sure the xev output would be the same as you get it now without your xmodmap file. |
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| pluto2020 | because a stick is usable on several computers |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, so maybe you can check the xev output there too? |
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| pluto2020 | ok, I need a reboot then |
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| _Chris_ | If it is the same, the mapping should not be the problem.. |
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| pluto2020 | I will check now and report back |
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| pluto2020 | Hi, I'm back |
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| pluto2020 | I'm in antix now |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| pluto2020 | play-key still is keycode 172 |
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| pluto2020 | BUT |
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| pluto2020 | Volume-Up has no keycode at all" |
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| pluto2020 | ! |
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| pluto2020 | https://pastebin.com/JESqDkhK |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting.. |
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| _Chris_ | But, but.. it is working with no keycode? |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| _Chris_ | And Volume-Down too, right? |
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| pluto2020 | antix is using a program called "Volume control Icon 0.4.6" http://nullwise.com/volumeicon.html |
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| _Chris_ | Ah.. |
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| pluto2020 | it recognizes the volume-keys |
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| _Chris_ | But you can't change them, with that? |
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| _Chris_ | Can you check if some other applications are able to detect the volume up key? |
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| _Chris_ | In antix. |
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| pluto2020 | The settings have 3 checkboxes to enable 3 hotkeys: "Volume Up XF86AudioRaiseVolume" ... the same for volumedown and mute |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, then I am out for today. If that works without a proper mapping, but not with one. |
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| pluto2020 | I have vlc here |
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| pluto2020 | wait a second... |
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| pluto2020 | no...I can't remap volume-key in vlc |
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| pluto2020 | it doesn't recognize the key |
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| _Chris_ | Black magic. :-) |
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| pluto2020 | :-/ indeed |
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| _Chris_ | You could try to install volumeicon in Ubuntu. |
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| _Chris_ | And try to check if that works - And no, it's no proper solution. |
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| pluto2020 | won't it interfere with kmix? |
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| _Chris_ | No, they are just altering the same channel after all. |
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| _Chris_ | You can even exit KMix. |
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| pluto2020 | Thank you, I'll try that |
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| _Chris_ | It's just for a try and temporary workaround. |
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| pluto2020 | I need to reboot to ubuntu for that |
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| pluto2020 | bye |
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| pluto2020 | back again |
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| pluto2020 | :) I compiled volume icon and installed all dependencies... |
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| pluto2020 | it's a newer version than the one in antix |
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| pluto2020 | I can't enable the checkboxes for the hotkeys there |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, interesting. |
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| pluto2020 | maybe it's because of the version... |
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| _Chris_ | I am not sure about. |
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| pluto2020 | 0.5.1 antix is using 0.4.6, if i remember correctly |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe pitriss can help you, if he will read that. Don't be pessimistic. |
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| pluto2020 | he is online |
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| pluto2020 | this name is in the list |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
but here at TDE we keep things a bit slower. He will read that, and
write something about, if he has time. Most people are just online here
24/7, but not on the machine. |
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| pluto2020 | aah, I see |
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| pluto2020 | thank you for your help |
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| _Chris_ | You are welcome. :-) |
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| pluto2020 | this was a lot of stuff to try at once |
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| _Chris_ | Let's see what other people here suggest or maybe I will get some idea tomorrow. |
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| pluto2020 | ok |
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| pluto2020 | bye |
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| pitriss | about
that Pluto's issue.. First thing is to try to remap these keys to
something more neutral like F13 as those Xsomething are handled in a
some strange way.. I am not affraid to call that as influenced by phase
of moon, direction of siberian wind and random number generator on top
of it.. |
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| pitriss | But in my case: |
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| pitriss | keycode 122 = F21 |
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| pitriss | keycode 123 = F22 |
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| pitriss | keycode 121 = F26 |
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| pitriss | then xmodmap .Xmodmaprc |
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| pitriss | and then try to bind that.. |
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| pitriss | If it does not work, then try to xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc; dcop khotkeys khotkeys reread_configuration |
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| pitriss | just for the record as Pluto is not here anymore |
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| _Chris_ | Thank you very much for the time and input, pitriss. If he shows up, I will point him to that. |
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| pitriss | but
settings via kmix are correct.. On other hand.. Why the heck these
things arent part of that kcontrol module and just checking if kmix is
started? |
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| pitriss | it does not even need to check for kmix.. Just add note that kmix ix needed for this |
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| Fat-Zer | are TDE's i18n thread-safe? |
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| Fat-Zer | *i18n() |
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| Fat-Zer | looks
like, it's based on some ancient gettext fork... I don't see any signs
of synchronization, so I assume it is not MT-safe... I don't think it
would fail on any will likely fail |
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| Fat-Zer | * I don't suppose it would fail on almost any translation, but it would likely race on attempt on domain load... |
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| SlavekB | i18n
is one of the things that will need to make changes because it
previously contained a solution for plural variants of translations that
did not exist in gettext. |
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| SlavekB | Now, however, gettext has a solution for plural variants of translations, which is different from the original KDE solution. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, we in the first phase will need to make a "transition" solution that will support both ways. |
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| SlavekB | Then we need to update the individual strings and translations of those strings to use the new way. |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB:
I'd rather dropped the original way and let translators sort out the
mess... or at most converted the translation automatically (most likely
marking them fuzzy)... |
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| SlavekB | We
will definitely want to do the conversion automatically. But processing
all such strings in all modules will take some time. Therefore, I would
like to see a "transition" solution. |
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| pluto2020 | hi there |
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| _Chris_ | Hello pluto2020. :-) |
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| pluto2020 | any news on my keyboard-problem? |
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| pluto2020 | hi |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, pitriss had read our talk here and invested some time to suggest a few things. |
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| pluto2020 | =-O what? really? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, please wait a bit. |
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| pluto2020 | ok |
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| _Chris_ | Well, sadly I can't quote with some URL from the IRC log. That is bad, so I copy it. |
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| _Chris_ | "about
that Pluto's issue.. First thing is to try to remap these keys to
something more neutral like F13 as those Xsomething are handled in a
some strange way.. I am not affraid to call that as influenced by phase
of moon, direction of siberian wind and random number generator on top
of it.. |
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| _Chris_ | "But in my case:" |
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| _Chris_ | "keycode 122 = F21" |
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| _Chris_ | "keycode 123 = F22" |
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| _Chris_ | "keycode 121 = F26" |
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| _Chris_ | "then xmodmap .Xmodmaprc" |
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| _Chris_ | "and then try to bind that.." |
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| _Chris_ | "If it does not work, then try to xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc; dcop khotkeys khotkeys reread_configuration" |
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| _Chris_ | "just for the record as Pluto is not here anymore" |
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| _Chris_ | So maybe that brings new ideas to you to test a bit. |
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| pluto2020 | Thank you. I will try that... |
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| pluto2020 | uhm...How do I remap ?F21 to XF86AudioLowerVolume |
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| pluto2020 | I mapped keycode 122 to F21 in xmodmaprc |
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| pluto2020 | but how do I map F21 to XF86AudioLowerVolume, afterwards? |
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| _Chris_ | Good
question, I haven't really thought about the whole context until now.
But what he wrote was specific to his setup. It was just meant that you
should try to remap some other keys. |
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| pluto2020 | In the meantime, I found out a little bit as well: |
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| pluto2020 | when
xev is not putting out a keycode, this is because some other program is
intercepting the key before it is reaching xev (source: https://askubuntu.com/questions/412395/trying-to-remap-prtsc-key-in-laptop-no-keycode) |
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| _Chris_ | So
find out what is.. let's say the keycode of "F1", for example, with
"xev" and then try to use that keycode to map it to... "F2", for
example, or what ever. Just to verify that xmodmap is working, but it
seems it is working anyway. I am a bit sleepy right now.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | No, xev is putting out something if you press that key, you remember? |
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| _Chris_ | Even the mapping seems to be right. |
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| pluto2020 | yes,
but in antix there was no keycode for my volume-keys. that's because
the key-presses were intercepted by another program (propably) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, interesting. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, most likely that xvolman program. |
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| pluto2020 | propably that volumeicon-program, I mentioned |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you can try again, with closing that and try again. |
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| pluto2020 | I'm in ubuntu now and dont wanna reboot |
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| pluto2020 | the volueicon-program is not working here properly |
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| pluto2020 | so...anyway... |
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| pluto2020 | 2nd: |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know. Greyed out options. |
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| pluto2020 | xmodmap is not in use anymore in ubuntu since 2013 (!) |
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| pluto2020 | source: https://askubuntu.com/questions/24916/how-do-i-remap-certain-keys-or-devices |
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| pluto2020 | instead, they recommend xkb |
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| pluto2020 | ..and this is really terrible... |
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| pluto2020 | there are countless of keyboard-files in /usr/share/X11/xkb/ |
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| pluto2020 | all working together somehow |
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| pluto2020 | it's a huge mess |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I wrote about that last time. But it should still work. After all,
pitriss is using xmodmap still today. I don't see where would be the big
difference between Ubuntu and Debian/Devuan here. |
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| pluto2020 | as far as I figured out, xmodmap still can be started manually |
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| _Chris_ | But, let me see. |
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| pluto2020 | and used manually |
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| pluto2020 | so yes, I agree. It should work |
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| pluto2020 | this is a link to customize xkb (just for the record): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions?action=show&redirect=Howto%3A+Custom+keyboard+layout+definitions |
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| pluto2020 | they even use different keycodes and synta |
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| pluto2020 | x |
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| pluto2020 | Oh
and I almost forgot: There is a special program for special keys:
keytouch. Unfortunately keytouch-editor is in ubuntu-repos
and the main-program key-touch is not |
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| pluto2020 | http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/doc.php |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I found something. |
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| _Chris_ | https://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/04/msg01842.html |
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| pluto2020 | the editor can identify the keys and gives out keycodes above the 170s but I can't map them |
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| _Chris_ | Seems "/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet" defines this symbols. |
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| pluto2020 | the main program is not maintained anymore |
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| pluto2020 | Oh, yes, I found this file as well. XF86AudioPlay is present there |
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| _Chris_ | You can try.. |
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| pluto2020 | as well as XF86AudioLowerVolume |
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| pluto2020 | it is mapped already |
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| _Chris_ | To copy over that file from your antix setup, just for fun. |
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| _Chris_ | But please, do some backup. |
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| pluto2020 | no no in ubuntu |
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| pluto2020 | the file is okay |
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| pluto2020 | key <I2E> { [ XF86AudioLowerVolume ] }; |
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| pluto2020 | key <I30> { [ XF86AudioRaiseVolume ] }; |
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| _Chris_ | Is that the case in Ubuntu and antix? |
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| pluto2020 | I didn't look it up in antix |
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| _Chris_ | Try to copy it over, but please do some backup first. |
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| pluto2020 | wait, I found something |
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| _Chris_ | Or, you could copy over the whole dir. |
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| _Chris_ | Just to be sure.. |
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| pluto2020 | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet
is defining the two keys I mentioned before (<I2E> and
<I30>). /usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/xfree86 is mapping <I30>
to 176 |
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| pluto2020 | So
I assume that xfree86 is mapping <I30> to keycode 176 and the
file inet is mapping <I30> to an action in the X-Window-System |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| pluto2020 | So the question remains: Is keycode 176 correct? Or is xfree86 using different keycodes than xev? |
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| _Chris_ | I would copy over the whole dir from antix and restart, to see if it works instantly. If so we know the problems is there. |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. Just test and play a bit to verify. |
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| _Chris_ | But, it should.. |
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| pluto2020 | The keytouch-Editor is reporting my VolumeDown-Key as scancode 176 |
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| pluto2020 | sorr, 174 |
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| _Chris_ | And if you are in antix, you can try to close the volumeicon application too. That should give you output from xev. |
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| pluto2020 | and volume-up as 174 |
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| pluto2020 | no as 176 |
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| _Chris_ | <I30> = 176; |
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| pluto2020 | xev is reporting these keys as 122 and 123 |
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| pluto2020 | so it seems there are two different kinds of keycodes |
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| _Chris_ | key <I30> { [ XF86AudioRaiseVolume ] }; |
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| _Chris_ | But it seems that looks right, for me. |
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| pluto2020 | yes, because xfree86 has the line: |
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| pluto2020 | <I30> = 176; |
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| _Chris_ | The first is the keycode, the second is the mapping to the symbol. |
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| pluto2020 | and 176 is VolumeUp (reported by keyTouch-Editor) |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you see, it should just work. |
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| pluto2020 | yes, it should |
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| _Chris_ | But it isn't recognized in VLC, right? |
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| pluto2020 | right |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting.. |
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| pluto2020 | wait, I just tried again in vlc |
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| _Chris_ | oO |
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| pluto2020 | now behavior is different |
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| _Chris_ | That means? |
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| pluto2020 | when I try to map the key it is now reacting |
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| _Chris_ | And it is working? |
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| pluto2020 | rasing volume is then set to "not set" |
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| _Chris_ | But if you click on "F2" or so, it is set to "F2"? |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| _Chris_ | And even if you click on "XF86AudioPlay" that is also working? |
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| pluto2020 | its asking: please press a key. When I hit volUp the message vanishes and Raising-Volume is set to "not set" |
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| _Chris_ | Well, as I said, I would copy over the whole dir from antix over to Ubuntu and restart. |
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| pluto2020 | before, it didn't reaCT AT ALL |
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| _Chris_ | Well, the question is what you did now. |
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| pluto2020 | maybe because of your tip: "xmodmap ./.Xmodmaprc" |
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| pluto2020 | and "dcop khotkeys khotkeys reread_configuration " |
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| pluto2020 | I typed that 20 minutes ago, remember? |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
that before was just reading in the modmap file. You did that before,
but your file is named different anyway, from what I know. |
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| _Chris_ | And after VLC isn't even some TDE application, I don't know if you just noticed it not before it is reacting. |
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| _Chris_ | Another idea, you can try to just start some fallback X session. |
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| _Chris_ | And just start VLC and try if that works. If so, it is TDE related. |
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| _Chris_ | But, as I suggested, please try to copy over /usr/share/X11/xkb from antix to Ubuntu. But please, do some backup first. |
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| _Chris_ | If that isn't working even, well, at least we can end to think about xkb. |
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| pluto2020 | I copied over xmodmap-backup to xmodmaprc and mapped the three keys differently, as you suggested |
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| pluto2020 | xmodmap doesn't exist anymore, because last time we removed it, remember? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I know, but I mean the xkb dir, not xmodmap. |
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| _Chris_ | And just for reference: |
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| _Chris_ | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=188076 |
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| _Chris_ | In this case, some other application blocked that signals. |
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| pluto2020 | interesting |
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| _Chris_ | So
my suggestion to start just some X failsafe session, with some terminal
or so and start just VLC and try it isn't that bad maybe. If that isn't
working even, it's really nothing about TDE. |
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| pluto2020 | yes, same thing with xev: |
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| pluto2020 | in his output no keycode is given, because it is intercepted by another application |
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| _Chris_ | Exactly. |
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| _Chris_ | But, you said Ubuntu is outputting something with xev. |
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| _Chris_ | So that should not be the problem.. |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| pluto2020 | antix isn't. propably because of this volumeicon-thing |
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| pluto2020 | I guess they use "black magic" to intercept the keystroke |
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| pluto2020 | so xev doesn't see it |
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| pluto2020 | however in ubuntu the volumeicon is not able to intercept the keys |
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| _Chris_ | https://www.reddit.com/r/i3wm/comments/9377qa/xf86audiolowervolume_not_working/ |
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| pluto2020 | the checkboxes for the three hotkeys can't be activated |
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| _Chris_ | No, it isn't using blackmagic. Xev is just not getting anything, because volumeicon is getting it. |
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| _Chris_ | If you close volumeicon, you should get the output of xev in antix too. |
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| _Chris_ | And
I am pretty sure.. if XF86...volume... is working for you in Ubuntu, it
will work for that volumeicon version there too. No not greyed out
anymore. |
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| pluto2020 | yes,
I think so too. But when volumeicon is not working in
ubuntu...maybe...this is because their "black magic" is not working
there |
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| pluto2020 | I see... |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
I will be AFK now. Please try to copy over the whole /usr/share/X11/xkb
directory from your antix to your Ubuntu setup. But please, do some
backup before. After that, restart and make sure you renamed the xmodmap
file to something strange, just to make sure it doesn't crew things up. |
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| pluto2020 | ok |
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| pluto2020 | thank you |
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| _Chris_ | I
think, and I could look for the code.. there is no black magic. It's
just greyed out, because there isnt any XF86...volume... the application
can find. |
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| pluto2020 | I think...maybe the file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/inet isn't read at all. Maybe just the german keyboard-layout-file is loaded |
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| pluto2020 | From the ubuntu help-page: |
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| pluto2020 | "Editing
a layout is as simple as locating the correct file in the symbols
directory and editing the file. Adding a new layout requires
that you also add the file to rules/evdev.xml. If you use
other X11 wms you may want to give your layout to the rest of
the xorg system. You can do this by adding the file to the symbols.dir,
and adding a line for the file in rules/evdev.lst under the
!layouts section |
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| pluto2020 | tly beyond the scope of this document. " |
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| pluto2020 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions?action=show&redirect=Howto%3A+Custom+keyboard+layout+definitions |
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| _Chris_ | What exactly was your model? |
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| pluto2020 | A4Tech KeyWorks Office ... for sure unknown for linux |
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| pluto2020 | so propably it is recognized as some generic-keyboard |
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| _Chris_ | Because the evdev.lst contains some a4tech keyboards. But yours isn't there. |
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| pluto2020 | I can't find the file "inet" mentioned anywhere in evdev.xml |
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| _Chris_ | Well, it should be some default. |
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| _Chris_ | We
can save all that thinking, if you just copy over the dir from antix.
Sorry to repeat that, but really. If that isn't giving you any
difference, well, that should be no problem at all. XKB at the whole. |
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| pluto2020 | yes, right...I need to reboot then |
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| pluto2020 | if I remember correctly you said you were AFK |
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| pluto2020 | ... |
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| pluto2020 | :) |
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| _Chris_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/406688/what-is-the-difference-between-base-and-evdev-xkb-rules?noredirect=1 |
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| _Chris_ | "The
difference is largely historical. evdev is the modern Linux kernel
input subsystem and did not exist when XKB was first written. If you
look into the source code for xkeyboard-config, you'll find that both
evdev and base rules are generated from (mostly) the same templates.
Compare the generated files in your system XKB database with diff,
though. You'll see many entries where the base rules loads inet symbols
for specific |
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| _Chris_ | keyboard models, while the evdev rules do away with most of those model-specific entries and load a more generalized set:" |
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| _Chris_ | But yes, I will be AFK for now. |
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| pluto2020 | I was just googling around a bit. It seems there is a command on how the keyboard-layouts get combinet, e.g.: pc+fr+inet |
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| pluto2020 | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29779072/override-inet-using-xkb-under-linux |
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| _Chris_ | Great - Jus try it and play a bit. |
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| pluto2020 | see you later |
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| _Chris_ | One thing. |
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| _Chris_ | Please, can you use some paste service and paste me the Xorg.0.log file. |
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| pluto2020 | what? |
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| pluto2020 | no |
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| _Chris_ | For me, for example, it says: "[(**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev" |
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| _Chris_ | If that is the case for you too, it means you are right about the "inet" rules. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, you don't need to paste it. Jusrt compare the log with the one of antix, okay? |
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| pluto2020 | https://pastebin.com/ParkCTcv |
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| _Chris_ | If antix says "Option "xkb_rules" "base"" - That is the difference. |
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| pluto2020 | no output for "cat Xorg.0.log | grep evdev" |
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| pluto2020 | so the above link is for the output from "cat Xorg.0.log | grep xkb" |
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| _Chris_ | No, that is lacking is the "xkb_rules". |
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| _Chris_ | Ah. |
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| _Chris_ | Compare it to the one from antix and try to copy over the xkb dir to Ubuntu too. |
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| pluto2020 | here is the full snippet: https://pastebin.com/k12YZbXj |
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| pluto2020 | ...for the keyboard-loading in Xorg.0.log |
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| pluto2020 | ok, CU later |
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| pluto2020 | will reboot now |
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| pluto2020 | Hi
I'm in antix now. I just copied over the folder /usr/share/X11/xkb to
ubuntu (and renamed orig-folder before). I'm going to reboot now, but
want to say this: |
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| pluto2020 | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep evdev gives me the following output here: |
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| pluto2020 | [ 38.472] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" |
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| _Chris_ | Please wait before rebooting. |
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| pluto2020 | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep xkb gives me this output: |
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| pluto2020 | [ 38.227] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105" |
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| pluto2020 | [ 38.227] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de,us" |
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| pluto2020 | [ 38.227] (**) Option "xkb_options" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp_led:scroll" |
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| pluto2020 | when I close volumeicon, xev reports the keycodes correctly |
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| _Chris_ | Can you look what "setxkbmap -print" prints for you on antix? |
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| pluto2020 | " state 0x10, keycode 123 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), same_screen YES, |
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| pluto2020 | " |
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| pluto2020 | and vlc is registering the keys without problem |
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| pluto2020 | yes, one moment |
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| pluto2020 | here: https://pastebin.com/2rkiRcN8 |
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| _Chris_ | Great. |
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| _Chris_ | That includes inet. |
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| _Chris_ | By the way, I think Ubuntu is using the libinput driver. |
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| pluto2020 | maybe I should have run the same command in ubuntu, before |
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| _Chris_ | And antix was using the evdev driver. We will that what the command reports in Ubuntu. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, you can do later. |
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| pluto2020 | but now i copied over the xkb-folder already |
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| _Chris_ | Important is that inet is included. For antix you see, it is included as it should. |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe it will work now in Ubuntu. If not you can copy back the backup and try the command. |
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| pluto2020 | I'm going to reboot now |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| pluto2020 | you you repeat the "magic command" for me? I can't read it in the message-log because I',m on ubuntu now |
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| _Chris_ | "setxkbmap -print" |
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| pluto2020 | Thank you. Here is the output: https://pastebin.com/UV20KyVr |
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| pluto2020 | Keys are still not working |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, so you can copy back your backup. Seems that is not the problem. Maybe the log will make us more clever. |
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| pluto2020 | there is one more thing |
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| pluto2020 | I didn't notice before |
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| _Chris_ | Well, evdev in both cases and your "inet" rules are loaded too (in antix and Ubuntu too). |
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| pluto2020 | I have a third volume-icon in ubuntu: PNMixer |
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| _Chris_ | Oh. Can you close it? |
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| pluto2020 | When I try to assign a hotkey there it IS recognizing the Vol+ - Key |
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| pluto2020 | Unfortunately it can't save the settings |
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| pluto2020 | I get an error "can't assign shortcut" |
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| _Chris_ | Well, can you start a failsave session of X, just with some terminal? |
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| _Chris_ | And try to test with VLC? This all should be not used in this case. |
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| pluto2020 | I will try |
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| pluto2020 | it means I boot in recovery mode and start X? |
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| _Chris_ | If that isn't working either - Well. |
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| pluto2020 | bye |
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| _Chris_ | Well, lightdm or so should offer you some session.. |
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| pluto2020 | back again |
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| pluto2020 | sooo..interesting things happened |
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| pluto2020 | 1st) VLC can't be started as root - the program refuses to do so (as security-mechanism) |
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| pluto2020 | So I tried mapping the Vol+ key in kmix in an TDE-Root-Session |
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| pluto2020 | didn't work |
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| _Chris_ | Well. |
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| _Chris_ | Sadly you leaved too fast. |
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| pluto2020 | I then started qmmp and tried mapping the Vol+Key there |
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| pluto2020 | it DID work! |
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| _Chris_ | Oh.. |
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| pluto2020 | then I left the root-session |
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| pluto2020 | copied of the original xkb-folder |
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| _Chris_ | Well, what I meant was using some failsafe session from lightDM. |
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| pluto2020 | and started a new root-tde-session |
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| _Chris_ | That should start only some xterm window and nothing more. |
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| pluto2020 | qmmp did NOT recognize the Vol+key anymore |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, great. |
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| pluto2020 | I then copied back the antix-xkb-folder |
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| pluto2020 | now I rebooted as a normal user |
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| pluto2020 | qmmp is NOT recognizing the Col+-Key |
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| pluto2020 | Vol+Key |
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| _Chris_ | Interesting. |
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| pluto2020 | :) as I said :-D |
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| _Chris_ | So it is only working in a.. root session. |
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| _Chris_ | And that only with your antix xkb dir. |
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| pluto2020 | yes, with the antix-xkb-folder and not in kmix |
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| pluto2020 | just in qmmp |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that is mystical. |
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| pluto2020 | :) |
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| _Chris_ | First, it only works with qmmp. But that, only if your xkb dir from antix is used. But that also only with some root session. |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Well. We know some things more from today. |
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| pluto2020 | the use of the antix-xkb-folder is not completely wrong |
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| _Chris_ | Qmmp is using Qt5? |
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| pluto2020 | I don't know |
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| pluto2020 | I think yes |
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| _Chris_ | Yes- |
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| _Chris_ | Well, VLC too, from what I still know. |
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| pluto2020 | When I click on menu >> "about qt" the window reads qt 5.9.5 |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | There is no logical pattern about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, well, VLC didn't started you said, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Most likely that would have worked too. |
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| pluto2020 | propably |
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| _Chris_ | But that said - This two keys should work just as XF86AudioPlay.. |
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| pluto2020 | what's with the "setxkbmap -print"-command? |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that was just to verify the "inet" rules are used. |
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| _Chris_ | They are. |
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| pluto2020 | Maybe it should be the same as in antix? |
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| pluto2020 | oh |
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| _Chris_ | They are, nearly. |
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| _Chris_ | You started that session from... Grub or so? |
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| pluto2020 | yes |
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| _Chris_ | Not from lightdm, or whatever yoru displaymanager is? |
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| pluto2020 | I think lightdm is in use but not whowing up. I'm very happy with that |
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| pluto2020 | showing up |
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| pluto2020 | It boots directly from grub into tde |
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| _Chris_ | Please,
can you test that (with antix XKB and without antix XKB) with selecting
to start some "custom" or "failsafe" XSession? Back in the days you
could select that from your DM. |
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| pluto2020 | without login-scrren |
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| _Chris_ | With TDE you use TDM in Ubuntu, or not? |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
I could say maybe it would be better to install Devuan and install TDE
on top of that, if you just don't need the Ubuntu magic. |
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| pluto2020 | oh, that's a difficult question...there was an issue with that |
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| pluto2020 | after installation trinity didn't boot-up |
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| _Chris_ | When installing most likely? |
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| pluto2020 | yes, after an apt-get upgrade |
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| pluto2020 | and the solution was...the DM was set inproperly |
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| pluto2020 | by some update |
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| pluto2020 | I needed a few days to figure that out |
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| _Chris_ | So, you can't select the session by your DM right now? Only failsafe over Grub? (Which should be something different) |
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| pluto2020 | "dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" now says lightdm is not installed |
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| pluto2020 | so propably I'm not using lightdm |
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| _Chris_ | Well, all good. |
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| pluto2020 | does trinity has an own DM? |
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| _Chris_ | Just asking, because I used Ubuntu last time ten years ago, or more. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, TDM. :-) |
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| pluto2020 | dpkg-reconfigure tdm also stats "tde is not installed", which is impossible then |
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| pluto2020 | "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep evdev" still gives me no output, in antix it did |
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| pluto2020 | should I worry? |
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| _Chris_ | No. |
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| _Chris_ | Did you use KDE3 back then? |
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| _Chris_ | Because TDM is just KDM, more or less. |
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| pluto2020 | yes, I did |
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| pluto2020 | I'm so glad this project (Trinity) still exists |
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| pluto2020 | I hope it won't die |
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| _Chris_ | Activity is raising since some longer time, so that is unlikely. |
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| pluto2020 | There are no distros shipping with trinity by default, at least I don't know one. |
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| pluto2020 | I don't think trinity is well-known |
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| _Chris_ | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/LiveCDs |
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| pluto2020 | this is where I got my ubuntu-image from |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
it is, more or less. But some distributors don't want to include it. So
the TDE team is doing all the packaging work itself. |
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| pluto2020 | I mean distros on distrowatch. They have a filter. When you search for trinity as DE, one or 2 distros show up |
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| pluto2020 | only |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging |
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| pluto2020 | You should give this link to some distro-developers. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, you can also copy over just the "inet" file from antix and look what the result is. |
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| pluto2020 | They don't include trinity by default |
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| _Chris_ | They don't want to include it. |
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| pluto2020 | YES |
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| pluto2020 | that's the problem |
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| pluto2020 | Very annoying. Very stupid |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but it works well since years this way. |
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| pluto2020 | One main reason for using trinity: It's fast AND full-featured |
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| _Chris_ | Right, you know their main reason? It's Qt3. |
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| pluto2020 | don't know how to teach people that |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
we can just wait until monochrome icons are the only choice and colors
are banned. Theming engines are already banned in GTK3, so we make
progress. |
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| _Chris_ | For
many here things are getting more bad, while TDE is getting better by
just not changing things others do because they are trendy. It's more
conservative if you want so. |
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| pluto2020 | Please never change that! |
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| _Chris_ | There is no one wanting that here. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | But was there some reason to use Ubuntu and not Devuan or Debian? |
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| _Chris_ | I
don't know if there is much difference anymore today from installing
point of view. But I think the Ubuntu things TDE users will not use
anyway. Or in some cases they just will cause trouble. But I am not into
that. |
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| _Chris_ | Do you have your keyboard name once again? |
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| pluto2020 | Debian
is actually pretty cool because it's faster than ubuntu and much
smaller in size. However, documentation and support is horrable |
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| pluto2020 | For instance, I tried configuring lirc in debian on a different machine |
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| _Chris_ | But the documentation should be mostly the same for Debian, because Ubuntu is just basing on Debian. |
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| pluto2020 | they moved the config files |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, good to know. |
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| pluto2020 | and it wasn't documented anywhere |
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| pluto2020 | all the tutorials on the web didn't apply anymore |
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| pluto2020 | I asked in the forums |
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| pluto2020 | and they were very unfriendly |
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| pluto2020 | either they didn't know or they didn't want me to help |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
if you are worried about systemd - You should use Devuan anyway. Devuan
people are very friendly it seems. One of their developers showed up
here some time ago and they also have some custom theme or so. Maybe
they will include TDE at some point. But I don't know the current state
of that ideas. |
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| pluto2020 | Devuan...I will lokk into that. Never heard though. |
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| _Chris_ | It's
a fork of Debian. They broke away from it, because Debian people were
rude and used systemd (google about the pros and cons..) and they don't
wanted that. |
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| _Chris_ | But that said - Debian isn't that bad either from user point of view. |
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| pluto2020 | My reason for using ubuntu is the internet: You google "ubuntu + [some problem]" and get solutions immediately. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I see. Because it is widely used. But I assumed for Debian you have
likewise documentation and if not, you can just use the Ubuntu ones,
because they are identical. Back in the days that was mostly the case. |
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| pluto2020 | Just reading the systemd-conflict on wikipedia. I didn't know about that. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that are good findings for today. Maybe pitriss will read that and have some further ideas. Or someone different. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, it's good to know. |
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| pluto2020 | Google-default-settings in a linux-program?...Ouch |
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| _Chris_ | Well, we will read us next time. Have some good time. :-) |
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| pluto2020 | Here, this was the best linux-distro ever: https://puredyne.org/about/ |
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| pluto2020 | unfortunately discontinued |
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| pluto2020 | debian+ubuntu-based |
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| pluto2020 | They packed-in all multimedia-programs, available in the linux-world |
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| _Chris_ | Well, not better than that: https://knome.org/ |
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| pluto2020 | and they offered a real-time-kernel |
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| pluto2020 | :-Dknome |
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| pluto2020 | puredyne was made by artists. Maybe that's the reason it was so unusual |
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| pluto2020 | they packed-in even the rarest software |
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| pluto2020 | as long as it was multimedia-related |
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| pluto2020 | well... |
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| pluto2020 | what should I do now with my keyboard-problem? |
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| pluto2020 | still there? |
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| pluto2020 | oh,
I didn't read that: "(01:54:45) _Chris_: Well, that are good findings
for today. Maybe pitriss will read that and have some further ideas. Or
someone different." |
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| pluto2020 | allright then |
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| pluto2020 | c u next time |
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| pluto20201 | in case _Chris_ is reading this lines later: |
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| pluto20201 | I'm
having another problem with an upstart-job not finishing for hours. So I
ran "systemctl list-units --all | grep not-found" to get a clue which
service is problematic |
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| pluto20201 | this is the output: |
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| pluto20201 | https://pastebin.com/JGh9LKkV |
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| pluto20201 | kbd.service is the linux keyboard tools - so maybe this is related? |
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| pluto20201 | Here is a link with the description of kbd http://kbd-project.org/ |
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| pluto20201 | I'm still not sure if this service is the one not starting up for hours, though |
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| pluto20201 | but maybe its related to my key-mapping-problem. |
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| pluto20201 | the
strange upstart-job not coming up prevents me to switch to different
konsoles (Ctrl+Alt+F1..F6) because TTY1 is stuck in the boot-process.
However, trinity is running fine |
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| pitriss | __Chris: Hehe I meant to remap those scancodes produced by volume control keys to eg F13 & F14 and those keys set in kmix |
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| pitriss | those xsome bindings never really worked for me.. I have mapped scancodes from my logitech G710+ volume control as I described.. |
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| pitriss | kmix have global shortcuts so in TDE it would work from anywhere if kmix is running |
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| pitriss | and
regarding of Key touch.. this tool is not maintained since 2008 and
long ago broken AFAIR.. I used it back in the days of kubuntu dapper.. |
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| pluto2020 | hi |
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| pluto2020 | yes ktouch is discontinued |
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| pluto2020 | keytouch |
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| pluto2020 | what a pity |
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| pitriss | Not needed at all.. |
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| pluto2020 | but it gives different keycodes than xev |
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| pluto2020 | same keycodes in 170s-area for my vol-keys as mentioned in the xkb-config-files |
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| pitriss | Just get scancodes of volume down and volume up keys from xev, use modmap to map them as F13 and F14 and map F13 and F14 in kmix |
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| pluto2020 | in kmix? how? |
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| pluto2020 | i can't press f13 for kmix to recognize |
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| pitriss | global shortcuts |
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| pitriss | kmix => settings => set global shortcuts |
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| pluto2020 | yes: over there you have to press a key |
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| pluto2020 | to bind it as a shortcut |
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| pitriss | yes.. |
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| pluto2020 | F13 doesn't exist |
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| pluto2020 | on the keyboard |
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| pitriss | If you did that remapping via xmodmap correctly, they will be recognized as F13 / F14 |
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| pluto2020 | okay that works |
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| pluto2020 | but it doesn't change the volume |
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| pluto2020 | mut is working now, though |
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| pluto2020 | mute |
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| pitriss | Just set the global kmix global shortcuts |
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| pluto2020 | yes, yes, I did |
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| pluto2020 | the problem is kmix. the main channel is set to pulse-audio |
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| pitriss | then kmix should have F13 in that settings |
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| pluto2020 | yes assignment did work |
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| pluto2020 | i'm using pulseaudio |
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| pluto2020 | because i'm using 2 soundcards |
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| pitriss | So where is problem? |
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| pitriss | I have two soundcards without pulse audio.. But anyway... where is problem? Pulse audio master should be available in kmix |
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| pluto2020 | for
pulseaudio there is only on slider and it doesn't react on the keys.
when i change the main-channel to just one soundcard I can control it
with the keys now |
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| pitriss | Hmm then this is more like question to Slavek if it could be added |
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| pitriss | But PA should be reported as sound card |
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| pitriss | There is no keyboard setting for pavucontrol? |
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| pitriss | Or how that tool is called? |
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| pluto2020 | yes pavucontrol |
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| pluto2020 | This attempt is buggfy |
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| pluto2020 | now I closed pnmixer and kmix doesn't recognize the keys anymore |
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| pluto2020 | no matter which soundcard is chosen |
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| pluto2020 | with qmmp I still can't map the keys |
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| pitriss | kmix
needs to be running to recognize these keys of course.. But..
Pavucontrol should have its own keyboard shortcut bindings... I can't
tell you as I don't use PA at all.. |
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| pluto2020 | ok
there it is: right-click on kmix-icon >> choose main-channel.
Over there I change from pulseAudio to just one soundcard. Now I can
control the volume with my keys - but only this card. When I choose
pulseaudio it doesn't work |
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| pitriss | PA and Systemd are two things that are not allowed on my machine :) |
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| pitriss | No idea really..:( |
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| pluto2020 | :) |
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| pluto2020 | I don't see shortcuts in pavucontrol. I just opened it |
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| pluto2020 | No, there are none, at least not in the gui |
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| pluto2020 | propably it's really a bug in kmix. When choosing pulseaudio as main channel keys are not working anymore |
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| pluto2020 | did you read my "offline-message"? |
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| pluto2020 | from this morning? |
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| pluto2020 | kbd.service is not running. I thought it could be related |
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| pluto2020 | to my problem |
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| pluto2020 | Output of "systemctl list-units --all | grep not-found": https://pastebin.com/JGh9LKkV |
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| pluto2020 | still there? |
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| pluto2020 | :-( |
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| pluto2020 | ok, got it to work with volumeicon! |
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| pluto2020 | with your method! |
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| pluto2020 | right-click on volumeicon >> Settings >> Hotkeys |
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| pluto2020 | There
are the three checkboxes (Increase Volume, Decrease Vol and Mute). When
clicking on the Text of the key, I can remap the key. |
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| pluto2020 | Afterwards the checkboxes can be checked |
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| pluto2020 | so now volumeicon is mapped to F22, F21 and F26 |
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| pluto2020 | volumeicon controls pulseaudio |
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| pluto2020 | the package-name for this awesome program is called volumeicon-alsa in synaptic-packet-manager |
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| pluto2020 | Great! |
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| pluto2020 | Thank you for all the help! |
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| pluto2020 | You guys really now patience |
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| pluto2020 | if
someone ha an idea how to bugfix my systemd / starup-service problem in
addition, tell me. I'm getting a feeling why people hate systemd so
much |
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| pluto2020 | "A start job is running for hold until boot process finishes up". No names, nothing. I checked the logs. No clues. |
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| pluto2020 | maybe I'll ask in ubuntu-forums for this |
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| pluto2020 | maybe it's not strictly trinity-related |
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| kackiz | Hey
everyone. Does anyone here know if there are any plans to modernize
TDE's Konqueror so it displays modern webpages properly? Is that even
possible? |
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| pitriss | Guys I updated my R14.1 after 6 months or so and now there is problem with r14-xdg-update reporting errors.. |
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| pitriss | (this machine was not booted recently at all to my OS) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: btw in color profile selection box is messed up file mask.. |
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| pitriss | There are two lines in one mask.. so it doesn't match icm file |
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| SlavekB | Pitriss, please, can you fill it as issue on tdebase? |
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| pitriss | I will try ;) |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| pitriss | its just about \n not being recognized properly. |
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| pitriss | At
the moment I'm fighting with old LG LCD screen which has no HW control
buttons and DCC is not working on linux :D Interesting issue |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/issues/143 :) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: https://pastebin.com/4aaLMG7u Please could you advice me how to fix these TDE starting errors reported by r14-xdg-update ? |
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| SlavekB | pitriss, you can wait to next update of tdebase => this shloud be fixed by recent commits... |
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| SlavekB | Build the latest tdebase for PTB has not been done yet, because now the builders are busy by builds for the final R14.0.8. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ah okay.. no problem.. I'll wait |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | I have a stupid question. |
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| Rojola | Which timezone do I have to select in the clock widget's settings for India / Delhi ? |
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| Rojola | I searched through every available location, but none seemed to fit |
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| SlavekB | It would seem like a time zone Asia/Kolkata |
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| Rojola | sorry SlavekB I left the computer for a while and got disconnected before |
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| Rojola | thank you SlavekB |
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| Rojola | I am trying it now |
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| Rojola | I changed the timezone, but the widget does not show any change |
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| Rojola | it still shows the previously set timezone "Mahe" |
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| a-865 | what wiki URL provides instructions for apt configuration for focal? |
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| a-865 | NVM, found https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds |
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| a-865 | # kmix |
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| a-865 | kmix: error while loading shared libraries: libtdeinit_kmix.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| a-865 | # inxi -SAxx |
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| a-865 | System: Host:
ab85m Kernel: 5.4.0-24-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 9.3.0
Desktop: Trinity R14.0.8 tk: Qt 3.5.0 |
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| a-865 | wm: Twin dm: TDM Distro: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) |
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| a-865 | Audio:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio vendor:
ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel |
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| a-865 | bus ID: 00:03.0 chip ID: 8086:0c0c |
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| a-865 |
Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor:
ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel |
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| a-865 |
bus ID: 00:1b.0 chip ID: 8086:8c20 Sound Server: ALSA v:
k5.4.0-24-generic |
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| SlavekB | dpkg -S /opt/trinity/lib/libtdeinit_kmix.so |
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| SlavekB | ldd /opt/trinity/lib/libtdeinit_kmix.so |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: reboot (before I saw your reply) fixed it |
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| SlavekB | maybe calling ldconfig would be enough. |
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| luke-jr | libkcal-9999/libemailfunctions/idmapper.h:150:5: error: ‘TQStringVariantMap’ does not name a type |
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| SlavekB | Luke-jr, what gentoo overlay do you use? |
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| _Chris_ | luke-jr: I just tested it and it builds fine for me. Using the master branch. |
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| _Chris_ | GCC9. |
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| _Chris_ | At least libkcal. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: my own |
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| SlavekB | You might be interested to know that Chris and ELiddell are working on the TDE official overlay. |
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| luke-jr | I would guess Portage didn't update tqt first for some reason |
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| luke-jr | what is the official overlay name? how is it kept secure? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo |
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| luke-jr | "Another
goal is to offer also custom versions of specific libraries like
libsdl,xine-lib or pinentry, with added support for TDE/TQt and aRts" |
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| luke-jr | no thanks :x |
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| _Chris_ | You just want to use the tdepim related things, right? |
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| luke-jr | pretty much |
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| luke-jr | I can copy the ebuilds if there's anything to update |
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| _Chris_ | The
question is if what would make sense for you then to use the whole
overlay. I came about your overlay one or two times already. Pinentry,
for example got TQt support by Deloptes and that could be handy for some
users. |
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| luke-jr | also, I think I had customised at least one of the TDE ebuilds |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: a policy of only adding new ebuilds might be useful - perhaps a second overlay with customised stuff |
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| _Chris_ | But okay, the problem of libkcal is fixed now and it wasn't overlay related. |
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| luke-jr | what was it? |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_:
would you have any interest in picking up my customisations? looking
through my git history, I am reminded I also added a USE flag to keep
the default environment clean and add a `tderun` script to setup env |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
we aren't sure about optional stuff. But it should be all in one
overlay just to make things not complicated. Just adding another overlay
for some additional ebuilds would be too much. |
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| luke-jr | also
a few minor stuff like trinity-base/tdebase-tdeioslaves: Add USE flag
to disable tdeio media handler and avoid its extra dependencies |
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| _Chris_ | Yes,
I already came around your customisations and thought about that. You
added some "path" USE flag, for example. But I was not sure about that.
Sure, that could be added, I think. But using the whole overlay, just
for some ebuilds you use, I am not sure about if that is perfect for
you. |
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| _Chris_ | Sure, I can add that. Sadly KMail related ebuilds aren't included in the overlay right now. But that will come in next time. |
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| _Chris_ | Avoiding extra dependencies is always good. I will add that if I come around that. |
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| luke-jr | There simply isn't a decent email program anymore, aside from TDEMail |
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| _Chris_ | Hm, TDEMail. Sounds like some good name. :-) |
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| luke-jr | I was pretty happy when I switched back to TDE for mail, though, because I regained the feature(s) lost in KDE 4.x ☺ |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: it could also become "Trinity Mail" - I think that's the name I used setting it up for my father :P |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, I noticed you tried to backport some fixed to KMail in TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | *fixes |
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| luke-jr | the name KMail is confusing since there is a modern KMail that is terrible |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that problem is sadly existing for a lot of TDE applications. But just renaming them all could be strange too. |
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| _Chris_ | But
I keep it on my todo list to add your changes. Maybe you could be happy
than too with overlay, even if you just use tdelibs with some tdepim
related applications. |
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| luke-jr | still getting the error from libkcal :< |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: I don't know if there's a way to add an overlay only used for a few packages? |
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| _Chris_ | Well,
most people just copy over then the ebuilds in a local overlay. But I
know that problem too. Adding too much overlays/ebuilds is slowing down
Portage too. Have you rebuild depending packages before emerging
libkcal? I understood you the way it was fixed already. |
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| _Chris_ | libkmime, libical, ktneff. |
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| luke-jr | I understood you the way it was fixed already. <--? |
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| _Chris_ | I wasn't aware you still face the problem related to libkcal. |
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| luke-jr | updating tqt didn't fix it |
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| _Chris_ | And updating ktnef, libkmime and libical? |
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| luke-jr | my systme isn't that fast |
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| _Chris_ | No problem. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | I updated all of them too and rebuilding libkcal now. |
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| _Chris_ | That works too. |
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| luke-jr | tdelibs won't build either |
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| luke-jr | tdecore/tdehw/tdestoragedevice.h:239:3: error: ‘TQStringVariantMap’ does not name a type |
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| _Chris_ | Hm. |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tqt3/commit/d795939c03a8250fa654992ff4ae807831c9292c |
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| SlavekB | You really have a current TQt3? |
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| luke-jr |
at the
commit: 8520b59ce9d56978ff0d9e5242375cc33b4d5bf1 |
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| _Chris_ | Try to delete the git cloning directory. |
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| SlavekB | You see these definitions in your installed ntqvariant.h? |
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| SlavekB | Your installed tqt.h sets the USE_QT3 definition? |
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| luke-jr | no, I don't see them |
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| luke-jr | rebuilding tqt yet again just in case |
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| luke-jr | I guess this problem is because tqt build fails |
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| luke-jr | /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/9.2.0/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
.obj/release-shared-mt/uic.o: in function
`Uic::isFrameworkCodeGenerated(TQDomElement const&)': |
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| luke-jr | /var/tmp/portage/dev-qt/tqt-9999/work/tqt-9999/tools/designer/uic/uic.cpp:266:
undefined reference to `TQVariant::TQVariant(bool)' |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek,
if you have some spare time or so, can you please try to build TDE
without PAM and only with WITH_SHADOW? The desktop unlocking dialog is
blaming that there is no authentification and it seems kcheckpass is
segfaulting. For TDM it is working fine with only shadow. I am still
trying to find out if that is some building problem, but it looks fine. |
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| _Chris_ | To be specific, it is only related to kdesktop and kcheckpass, so these two would be needed for testing. |
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| _Chris_ | luke-jr: Building TQt with GCC 9.3 seems to work fine for me right now. |
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| _Chris_ | Have you tried to unmerge it and tested it again? Maybe some bad idea, but who knows. |
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| * luke-jr sets EGIT_OVERRIDE_COMMIT_DATE_*='Fri Jun 21 22:39:38 2019' for now :x |
| _Chris_ | Oh. |
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| _Chris_ | I came around that idea at some point, but.. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I have done something likely in the past. You are not alone. |
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| luke-jr | it will be interesting to see if it even works - I probably didn't build it with GCC 9.2 previously |
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| _Chris_ | It should work. (Y) |
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| luke-jr | but so should master? :P |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, master will build fine with GCC9. |
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| _Chris_ | Slavek,
for reference. Just try to build kcheckpass with only WITH_SHADOW and
without PAM support. Even using it from the console should give you some
segfault, if you enter some password there. At least it is doing that
for me. |
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| luke-jr | nope, 2019Jun master won't link either |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_: trinity-meta.eclass (obsolete in your overlay?) is missing RDEPEND |
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| luke-jr | which is why -e world tried to rebuild libkcal before tqt |
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| _Chris_ | That are the old ones. |
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| _Chris_ | But, let me see. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, that is fixed already. |
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| luke-jr | only for -2 |
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| luke-jr | I assume you have some ebuilds still using the old one because it hasn't been removed from your overlay yet |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, but the other one will be and should be removed since some time. |
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| _Chris_ | No, in fact the last one was removed some weeks ago. But thanks for the reminder. |
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| luke-jr | ah |
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| * luke-jr ponders if anyone's ever considered an aRts library wrapper that just wraps ALSA directly |
| luke-jr | unmerged tqt, and it won't build still -.- http://dpaste.com/1E696R7 |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, oh. |
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| _Chris_ | There was some change some time ago related to TQt. |
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| _Chris_ | Related to the master branch and the QTDIR variable. It is now TQTDIR, just to be sure. |
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| _Chris_ | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo/src/branch/master/dev-tqt/tqt/tqt-9999.ebuild |
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| _Chris_ | Just try out this ebuild, or sync with some changed which could be related. |
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| _Chris_ | Sadly I just came around that idea now. Maybe it will help you. |
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| _Chris_ | From
what I have seen in your overlay, your ebuild is still using QTDIR, so
most likely after changing that, it will work fine. (Y) |
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| luke-jr | but that's even with a 2019 commit that worked before :/ |
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| _Chris_ | I don't know. Just use the other ebuild and/or change QTDIR to TQTDIR and it will work, most likely. |
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| luke-jr | hm, I bet my last build must have used the installed spec files instead of the newly-building ones |
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| luke-jr | using TQTDIR did work |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| luke-jr | ../../kdoctools/meinproc: symbol lookup error: /usr/trinity/14/lib64/libtdecore.so.14: undefined symbol: _ZN9TQVariantC1Ebi |
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| luke-jr | sigh |
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| luke-jr | is there something else before tdelibs? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, tqtinterface. |
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| luke-jr | I did tqt tqtinterface and the dbus thing |
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| _Chris_ | You need to build with tdehw/hwlib right now, because otherwise the build will fail. |
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| luke-jr | not really even sure what that means |
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| _Chris_ | Look at the USE flags. |
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| _Chris_ | +tdehwlib |
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| _Chris_ | Otherwise the build will fail at the moment. Why? Well, that is under investigation. |
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| luke-jr | that USE flag isn't before/at tdelibs |
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| _Chris_ | Not even at the build options in the ebuild? |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I have seen your ebuild. You lack that one. |
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| _Chris_ | -DWITH_TDEHWLIB |
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| _Chris_ | Build with that one on. |
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| luke-jr | does it have dependencies? :/ |
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| _Chris_ | No. |
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| _Chris_ | Not if you don't want to use it. Otherwise pmount or udisks and so, but only if you want to use it. |
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| luke-jr | oh well, got 'Fri Apr 19 02:53:36 2019' to build finally |
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| luke-jr | going to stick with that until I'm past my current "rebuild everything" task |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I would rebuild from the current master with TQTDIR. But if you are happy with that, why not. :-) |
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| luke-jr | _Chris_:
I tried that, it failed [22:20:29] <luke-jr>
../../kdoctools/meinproc: symbol lookup error:
/usr/trinity/14/lib64/libtdecore.so.14: undefined symbol:
_ZN9TQVariantC1Ebi |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, yes, that was tdelibs related. |
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| _Chris_ | But,
it is very interesting you got that to work without tdehwlib. That
might be a good point to look at the commits to find what introduced the
break. |
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| Fat-Zer | ugh... tqt and tdelibs are so outdated... |
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| Fat-Zer | I was looking for a way to pass an event between threads... |
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| Fat-Zer | I noticed that TQApplication::sendEvent() is MT-safe, so assumed it passes events to the main thread... |
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| Fat-Zer | but revealed it's not so >_<... |
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| Fat-Zer | so as I can see now there is no sane way without reenventing the wheel and cludges to do it =((... |
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| Fat-Zer | I'm not really looking for a solution, just wanted to share frustration... |
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| Fat-Zer | But
if anybody got some better idea than having a separate userland queue
and a pipe(2) with TQSocketNotifier attached to it to notify event loop
about new events I'd love to here it... |
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| agris | Fat-Zer, try gtk2 |
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| pitriss | Hello
guys when is planned to release the new version of TDE? I would like to
know when I can expect that my r14-xdg updater fault will be fixed.. It
is quite annoying |
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| SlavekB | R14.0.8 is scheduled for 29 April. |
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| pitriss | Ok 4 days to go:) ty |
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| SlavekB | However, tdelibs and tdebase in trinity-testing repository is already updated. |
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| pitriss | I have latest version and still have this error:) I will keep my PC running.. |
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| _Chris_ | https://news.slashdot.org/story/20/04/12/1940232/open-source-advocates-hope-they-dont-have-to-fork-qt |
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| _Chris_ | How dare they, to think about forcing Qt. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Seems TDE was one step further, once again. |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe in one year, TQt3 will have a brother, called KQt5. :-) |
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| SlavekB | :) |
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| SlavekB | :D now I have noticed that while we have been using our TGW for a long time, the KDE team is slowly migrating to GitLab... |
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| SlavekB | https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2020q2/006137.html |
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| Chris__ | Oh, interesting. Wasn't they use Phabricator or so before? |
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| Chris__ | They
are all switching to Gitlab. It's sad to see, because it's so bloated
and slow. I am very happy with Gitea and just hope they developers keep
it that way and aim to be more conservative, so they not start to change
the interface and make elements much bigger, or the fonts, or likely
fun. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, exactly, I'm also very happy for Gitea - it's nimble, clear and low on server resources. |
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| Chris__ | (Y) |
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| Chris__ | It even works with a TDE powered laptop from 2003, with a screen resolution of 1024x768, without any big slowdowns. |
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| SlavekB | FYI: https://trinitydesktop.org/newsentry.php?entry=2020.04.29 |
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| SlavekB | ...although I assume you are already informed :) |
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| _Chris_ | Well written, SlavekB! :-) |
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| * _Chris_ spotted XMMS in the FreeBSD screenshot. :-) |
| _Chris_ | Good XMMS support got fixed. Seems some people still use it. |
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| pitriss | Nice SlavekB. Is PTB repo ready for update? |
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| pitriss | Or better question, does upgrade fix my r14-xdg-updater issues? |
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| pitriss | *do |
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| SlavekB | Yesterday was updated tqt-x11, tdelibs, tdebase, tdepim,... |
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| SlavekB | You need to test and see, whether r14-xdg-update can solve all automatically. |
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| pitriss | ok thanks.. will do |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: https://pastebin.com/KCeaLQ7p |
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| pitriss | any way how I can fix it? Or does it need to be fixed in the repo? |
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| pitriss | Not sure where I should search those reported desktop files |
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| pitriss | search for* |
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| SlavekB | sorry, on a phone, and hands on many other sites :( |
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| pitriss | Np, i tried to run it within my session.. it did something |
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| SlavekB | You can check if there are files of both names in ~/.local/share/applications - with the prefix kde-* and with tde-* |
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| SlavekB | There it should work so that if there are only kde-* they will be automatically renamed and the links changed to tde-*. |
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| SlavekB | However,
if there are both kde- * and tde- *, the script cannot solve it
automatically and the user must compare the files and solve the renaming
and deleting himself. |
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| SlavekB | So you can try to search for example kde-ksensors.desktop and tde-ksensors.desktop |
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| SlavekB | See http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::17048 |
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| pitriss | TY SlavekB. [r14-xdg-update] R14 XDG updates completed successfully. |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| pitriss | I needed to do some locate and manual editing of menu |
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| pitriss | Mostly those apps were without prefix at all |
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| SlavekB | For test9, only applications with the prefix "kde-" that point to the origin in KDE3.x are a problem. |
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| pitriss | Maybe
we should have some troubleshooting page on the wiki with such hints as
this script doesn't have verbose mode or something so its hard to track
from where those messages came.. |
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| Laboon3k | Hello, people! A quick question: |
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| Laboon3k | Can TDE be built against Wayland instead of X11? |
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| Laboon3k | Is it possible to port it to Wayland, anyway? |
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| _Chris_ | Only X11, but you can use something like XWayland or so, you know most likely. |
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| Laboon3k | That's interesting |
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| Laboon3k | Is "X11" a strong dependency, in the sense the source code heavily depends on it? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, at least TQt does depend on that. TDE is more conservative in that sense. |
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| Laboon3k | Please, sorry my bad English skills and also if I sound a bit offensive here. |
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| Laboon3k | But TQT3 is a "legacy" of QT3, right? |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, kind of. It is a fork of Qt3. |
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| Laboon3k | Then, if someone "rebase" it to accept Wayland as a backend, all codebase of Trinity would benefit of it? |
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| _Chris_ | There
would be the need of some additional rendering for Wayland in TQt, I
think. But there are a lot of other X11 dependencies in TDE as a whole
too. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, work on Wayland support will probably be necessary first in TQt. |
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| Laboon3k | Well,
when TDE becomes mature enough (I don't know how to measure it, tbh :)
), maybe factor those dependencies would be not so hard. |
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| Laboon3k | Anyway I will try to compile it on X11 on NixOS for now. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| _Chris_ | X11 will be existing even the next 10 years, I am sure. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | NixOS. Let me look for that. |
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| SlavekB | I hope the X11 lasts a long time :) |
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| Laboon3k | https://nixos.org - did you hear about it? |
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| _Chris_ | No, never. |
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| Laboon3k | Oh yeah, X11 can be ugly but it JustWorks (TM) |
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| _Chris_ | Maybe you can do some packages for NixOS, if it works for you. |
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| SlavekB | Whenever I become more interested in Wayland, I find it more and more strange ;) |
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| _Chris_ | Well, Wayland if about that things like systemd I don't need. It just works without it. |
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| Laboon3k | _Chris_, NixOS is a distribution built around the Nix programming language. |
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| Laboon3k | And Nix is a programming language designed for package management, using concepts of functional languages (like Haskell). |
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| _Chris_ | There is always new to learn. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | And TDE should be mature. It is a KDE3 fork after all, with 10 years of additional fixing and improvement. |
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| SlavekB | For
NixOS I do not understand the principle of packaging - if each program
has all the libraries in its own directory, how in such a case is
implemented, for example, the installation of Kate and Kwrite as
separate packages? Are all basic TDE libraries then duplicated there? |
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| _Chris_ | Good question. In Android it is likely. Every APK does ship it's own libs. |
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| SlavekB | Likewise,
every other TDE program will create more and more duplicates of all TDE
libraries, arts libraries, TQt libraries, XOrg libraries? |
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| Laboon3k | Not so much. |
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| Laboon3k | All the relevant things are installed in directories as '/nix/store/<hash>-<name>-<version>/'. |
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| Laboon3k | And a dark magic with symlinks and environment variables ensures all things can coexist without clashing each other. |
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| SlavekB | Sure,
but if one package, such as k3b, depends on many XOrg libraries, many
tdelibs libraries, tdebase libraries, and more, are all these packaged
in the k3b directory? |
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| Laboon3k | Nope. |
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| SlavekB | Or are "relevant thinks" just some? |
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| Laboon3k | K3b is packaged in /nix/store/<hash>-k3b-<version> |
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| Laboon3k | It is linked against, say, /nix/store/<hash>-tqt3-<version> |
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| SlavekB | If
a program is to have "all" libraries in its own directory with it so
that it cannot conflict with others on the system, then each program
must make a copy of the "half system". |
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| Selk | Congratulations for the new release! |
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| Laboon3k | Not necessarily. If two programs share a same library, they just symlink that library. It isn't necessary to "copy" it. |
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| SlavekB | Ah, I understand, so it's not true that the program has its own copy of all libraries. |
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| Laboon3k | I like to use another example: |
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| Laboon3k | Suppose you want to know if Python3 can be compiled against Clang and GCC and generate the same results in a test suite. |
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| Selk | Is the mailing lists for announcements working? I'm subscribed but didn't received any news. :-( |
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| SlavekB | The mailing list for notifications has one drawback - it is moderated and requires approval of posts from Tim... |
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| SlavekB | I regularly send announcements there, but I usually never get approval. |
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| Selk | Oh. |
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| Laboon3k | Then you create a recipe that receives as arguments the compiler and Python3 sources, and generate a Python3 binary. |
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| SlavekB | However, this will be resolved when we prepare new mailing lists :) |
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| Laboon3k | If
you pass clang as compiler, it will install python as
/nix/store/<some-hash>-python-3.0.0/bin/python, while if you pass
gcc it will install as
/nix/store/<another-hash>-python-3.0.0/bin/python |
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| Selk | Cool, there are a news about the 14.0.8 release: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=TDE-KDE-3.5-Fork-Turns-10 |
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| Laboon3k | That way, you can have multiple Python binaries living in the same machine! |
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| SlavekB | To what level is the library considered compatible and the second version does not have to be compiled? |
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| SlavekB | For example libICU 1.0.9 × 1.0.10? |
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| SlavekB | libICE |
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| SlavekB | If
one week the one package is built against libice 1.0.9 and the next
week another package against libice 1.0.10, then they will both be
necessary? |
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| Laboon3k | SlavekB, it is specified in the recipes. |
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| Laboon3k | Well, suppose you compiled K3B against libICE 1.0.9 and Kate against 1.0.10. |
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| Laboon3k | Then you will need four recipes: one for each libICE, one more for k3b and other for Kate. |
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| SlavekB | I assume that kate and k3b will simply require libice, but will not require any specific version. |
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| Laboon3k | SlavekB,
in that case it will just verify "well, libICE-1.0.10 is already
installed, then both K3b and Kate can link against it". |
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| Selk | That's fine, while it keeps the ABI compatiblity it will work even if you switch to another version. |
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| Laboon3k | Yes. in the worst case, it will do some rebuilds :) |
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| SlavekB | I
chose libice intentionally, because in libica there was a fundamental
change in the location of the iceauth file with a small change in the
library number. |
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| Laboon3k | Well, it can cause a mass rebuild sometimes :) |
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| Laboon3k | A more tangible example would be GCC. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, it looks like an interesting idea. |
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| Laboon3k | Sometimes
a software like Qemu is strongly tied to a GCC version. If you update
GCC from, say, 8 to 9, and exclude the older version, in a more
traditional distro you would need to abandon Qemu or do some laborious
work to maintain two GCC trees, one for the old qemu and other for the
new softwares. |
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| SlavekB | If you find it useful that TDE packaging for NixOS could be placed in tde-packaging, then you can become a contributor :) |
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| Laboon3k | IN NixOS that book-keeping is done transparently for you. |
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| Selk | Guix does the same? |
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| Laboon3k | Yes, guix does the same. |
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| Selk | Nice |
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| Laboon3k | In fact Guix is based on Nix! |
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| Laboon3k | I call it "The Scheme cousin"! |
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| Selk | hehe |
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| SlavekB | Like vpsFreeOS, if I remember correctly. |
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| SlavekB | vpsAdminOS. |
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| Selk | Laboon3k: For what is the hash used in the package directories? |
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| Selk | It this related to dynamic linking, exclusively? |
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| Laboon3k | Selk, the hash is used in order to avoid collisions in general, not only dynamic linking ones. |
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| Selk | I see |
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| _Chris_ | I would like to see Laboon3k to be some contributor for packaging TDE for NixOS. So if you like TDE, that would be nice. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Are these hashes different between installed systems? |
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| Selk | and it could benefits to Guix users, too. I guess... |
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| Laboon3k | Selk,
If e.g. I need two versions of Python 3.0.0 built against two different
compilers (cland VS gcc), the Nix system will calculate different
hashes, highlighhting this difference. |
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| Selk | Interesting |
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| Laboon3k | SlavekB,
yes, it will be different against different systems. If I compile
something against ARM it will be different if compiled against X86. |
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| Laboon3k | In fact nowadays we compile against Linux and Darwin (from MacOS X). |
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| SlavekB | No, I mean when I install the same on two different machines with the same architecture. |
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| Laboon3k | SlavekB, in that case, no. |
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| Laboon3k | If I compile against X68, the resulting package can be used in any other X68 machine. |
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| SlavekB | Ok, so the hash does not contain a random element, but clearly defined parts. |
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| SlavekB | So when repeating the same build on other machines of the same architecture, the hash will be the same. |
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| Laboon3k | In fact we maintain binary caches of packages (nowadays for Linux and Darwin in X86). |
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| Laboon3k | The Nix system can be configured in order to seek for those caches before trying to compile them locally. |
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| Laboon3k | Selk,
in terms. The default configuration of Guix installs the binaries in
/gnu/store, but Guix can be configured to use the same /nix/store of
Nix. Then they can reference each other transparently. |
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| Laboon3k | But
I don't use Guix myself. I like the GNU ideology of "free software
above all costs", but I can't implement it in my AMD Ryzen 5 machine for
now :/ |
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| SlavekB | Anyway, thank you for a good introduction to NixOS. |
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| _Chris_ | "Above all costs" - So no binary driver, even if you can't use your GPU. Do you mean that? |
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| Selk | There is no excuse to use 100% free software ;-) |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, I see. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Well, I respect that. Often this people are the reason OSS drivers make progress. |
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| _Chris_ | I still want to play with Libreboot, with some old Mainboard. |
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| SlavekB | _Chris_, a good choice would be Talos Workstation :) |
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| Laboon3k | _Chris_, yes. Not even binary drives for BIOSes... |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, SlavekB. In fact it is on my todo list to look into that! |
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| Laboon3k | SlavekB, thanks! I think I need to be more eloquent, but thanks nonetheless! |
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| Laboon3k | _Chris_, many thanks! |
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| pitriss | Once when I grow up, I will use Talos2 as my desktop :D |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | anyone around? |
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| Rojola | I experience a bug with the audio settings that occurs semi-randomly |
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| Rojola | until now, I only have a hunch as to how to reproduce it |
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| Rojola | But I am not certain |
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| Rojola | I can not file a bugreport without know exactly how to reproduce it |
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| * _Chris_ just noticed you can drap around the screensaver preview in the tdescreensaver config module. Lovely. :-) |
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| pitriss | Hello guys, I would like to have something like https://github.com/pille/volnoti/tree/wrapper but tdelike.. I mean, something to show volume level in some fancier manner than standard things used for X extended keys.. |
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| pitriss | Or at least some way for kmix to call commands when changing selected mixer.. |
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| pitriss | while true loop in bash script did the trick too.. but it is hacky.. |
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| pitriss | volnoti is good example as it works as intended, it does look really nice and its themeable |
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| pitriss | I bet I can do the same with kdialog suite, but it would look awful.. |
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| pitriss | Maybe
there is place for forked kmix eg kmix-extended? As there could be
those fancy things like graphical notification about volume level with
some kind of tweaking posibilities like what icons to use, what
background etc.. |
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| pitriss | Or
maybe even more I would like some On Screen Display integrated across
TDE. So apps could trigger it and display its things on screen.. |
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| Laboon3k | Hello, everyone! I'm back :) |
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| Laboon3k | Now for a small thing: |
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| Laboon3k | tdelibs has an optional dependency on jasper, but jasper is now "old, unmaintained and insecure". |
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| Laboon3k | Seeking info about it, I found that it was being replaced by openjpeg2000. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, the better way would be to migrate to openjpeg, but that would require additional work. |
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| _Chris_ | (Y) |
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| Laboon3k | Hehe! |
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| _Chris_ | But,
jasper is beeing worked on still, I have looked at their git repo some
time ago and it just seems that the maintainer has not real time at the
moment. |
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| _Chris_ | What distribution are you using? |
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| Laboon3k | Well, I am now compiling tdelibs, basically setting jasper to null :D |
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| Laboon3k | _Chris_, I am trying to port TDE for Nixpkgs. |
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| _Chris_ | Well, that is a good reason to have build options. I am not needing JPEG2000 support, so I handle it likely. |
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| _Chris_ | Ah, right. Now I know again! :-) |
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| _Chris_ | The question is if NixOS is supporting some package for jasper. Many distributions still do that. |
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| _Chris_ | The
problem is just that the security fixes, for example, done in the live
branch of jasper aren't getting into some release, so that is just bad.
Maybe that will be better in next time. |
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| Laboon3k | In
NixOS/Nixpkgs, jasper is marked as "if you want to compile insecure
software, you need to set additional flags in the /etc/ files". |
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| _Chris_ | Well, okay. You are doing the port, so do what you think would be the best. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | In Gentoo I added some additional live ebuild for jasper. But that is just for people who want to have it.. |
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| _Chris_ | Okay, something to read about that. I read there are patches at least for Digikam for KDE4/5, which could be backported to TDE. |
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| _Chris_ | https://github.com/mdadams/jasper/issues/208 |
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| _Chris_ | But maybe the project will get in a good state again in some time. |
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| _Chris_ | Some
good news, for maybe some of us: The Palemoon people decided that the
GTK2 releases will be provided by them at least untl end of 2024(!) and
that means only their binary releases. Most likely the code will be
supported even longer. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Besides
they decided to remove most of the building options to build against
system-libs, that is some good move, I haven't expected from them now.. |
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| Laboon3k | Oh, that's cool! I use palemoon :) |
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| Laboon3k | _Chris_, a question, out of curiousity: do you consider change the build system for TQT3, using cmake instead of qmake? |
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| _Chris_ | Not me, but Slavek talked about that some time ago. So I think I can say: Yes.. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, we definitely want to convert TQt3 to CMake build. But it will take some time... |
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| _Chris_ | And it seems a lot of TDE users use PM, especially with GTK2 (because it integrates so well). |
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| Laboon3k | It looks like some saudosist's dream: an old GTK package for an old KDE version :) |
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| _Chris_ | Right. Kind of. At least I try to avoid all GTK3 and even Qt5 related things. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Wait until GTK4 arrives. Then the fun will begin just from the start. |
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| pitriss | hi guys.. I gave up with PM when they switched to their own core.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, to SeaMonkey, right? But from what I have read they sadly ditched GTK2? |
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| pitriss | BTW, I really want somebody to at least start with TDE implementation of kde connect |
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| pitriss | yeah
but SM is also meh.. I gave up avoiding those uptodate browsers.. Its
too much effort to get another issues to struggle with |
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| pitriss | Because SM switched to PA only.. |
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| _Chris_ | Yes, because FF did.. |
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| _Chris_ | Browsers are much like virtual machines these days. It's really sick. |
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| pitriss | yeah but in devuan, i still have sound from chromium and ff without PA |
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| pitriss | yes, exactly.. |
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| pitriss | In near future it will be systemd with browser |
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| _Chris_ | :-) |
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| _Chris_ | System G - For G00gle. |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
SMs with varying delays follow everything Firefox does, because they
basically don't have their own development. They pack a lot of things
into one huge package and release them as one huge monstrous thing. |
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| _Chris_ | But,
these GTK2 support thing about PM is some good news. And if GTK2 is
dropped by distributions maybe PM devs will come to the idea to bundle
their own GTK2 also with PM, so people can't do something wrong. Like it
is done for libpng.. :-) |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, and cairo too.. Fun fact: They didn't do that... because it's not possible....... |
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| pitriss | I
found a little of free time today so I played with mconnect a bit..
It's so pity that it uses DBUS.. I can imagine so many ways what to do
with mconnect if it would have TDE implementation using dcop.. It would
be so great.. File sharing, sending/receiving SMS on PC.. Monitoring of
various aspects of phone (eg battery level) |
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| _Chris_ | I
am still on PM 28.8.x, because I want to add the options to build
against system-libs back. But I hadn't time so far to look into this.
Maybe later this year. |
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| _Chris_ | Does mconnect need Qt or so? |
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| pitriss | nope.. But Slavek already put that idea of own (TDE) implementation of that thing |
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| pitriss | into my head |
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| pitriss | And I can't shake it out of my head |
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| _Chris_ | Build dependencies (using package names as found in Fedora): |
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| pitriss | As I raped kdialog to just get battery level from phone:) |
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| _Chris_ | gtk3-devel |
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| _Chris_ | Oh, okay, that is great. |
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| pitriss | I wish I could do some TQT / C++ code |
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| pitriss | I have so much ideas.. |
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| pitriss | _Chris_:
I would be even OK with some basic thing that will hanlde registering
the phone in TDE and calling some scripts depending requested action..:)
That would be just enough.. Then I would write plugins in whatever I
can to just do the work(tm) |
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| Laboon3k | Hello, people! Can you help me a little bit? |
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| Laboon3k | I am with a mysterious "error 127" failure here. |
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| Laboon3k | A pastebin, if it can help: https://pastebin.com/UG6iv1Fa |
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| Laboon3k | I think it is related to some binary not calling a specific library. |
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| Laboon3k | Better, not finding a specific .SO file that was built 'locally'. |
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| _Chris_ | Related to that 127 error I just found: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36365752/make-error-127-when-running-trying-to-compile-code#36368057
- I just noticed also the errors about ~./.qt - In Gentoo I allowed to
create and write to that dir, because (reasons I don't know) it seems
that is needed. |
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| Laboon3k | Maybe some workaround, like "set library path to a convenient directory"... |
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| SlavekB | Is it possible to run binaries in the partition where the build is taking place? |
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| SlavekB | According to the build log, this seems to be a problem when running "genembed", which was built some time ago. |
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| Laboon3k | Ah,
the errors about ~/.qt: Nixpkgs tries hard to do deterministic
buildings. Among some things, it sets some environment variables to
non-existent directories, in order to prevent some alien files
inadvertently intercept and spoil the build. |
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| Laboon3k | It is like a sandbox! |
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| SlavekB | Yes, reports of a non-existent home folder are annoying, but they do not cause a build crash. |
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| _Chris_ | Right, in Gentoo we have that sandbox too and it was needed to make some excuse here.. |
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| SlavekB | I see the same messages when building on Debian, where the building is in clean chroot. |
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| _Chris_ | SlavekB: Do you know why that is even needed to create that dir while the build? |
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| Laboon3k | When I tried to execute more "directly", the error message is: |
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| Laboon3k | ./genembed: error while loading shared libraries: libtdefx.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| SlavekB | You can try build with -DCMAKE_SKIP_RPATH="OFF" ? |
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| Laboon3k | I will try it now! |
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| Laboon3k | Same bug :/ |
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| Laboon3k | As a good news: when I execute directly "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../../tdefx ./genembed" it does work! |
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| Laboon3k | I think it is a question for the Nixpkgs team. I will contati them now |
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| Laboon3k | s/contati/contact/ |
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| Laboon3k | One more question: about the Python bindings, will you update to Python 3? |
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| _Chris_ | That
was already in talk, but I think that will still take some while.
Python2 will get at least one or two further releases, from what I know. |
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| _Chris_ | I already asked Slavek about that too. :-) |
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| Laboon3k | Still online, people? |
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| Laboon3k | Well, I almost got it. After hacking LD_LIBRARY_PATH, the build phase worked. |
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| Laboon3k | Now my problem is with the INSTALL phase: |
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| Laboon3k | --- |
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| Laboon3k | CMake Error at tdecore/cmake_install.cmake:434 (file): |
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| Laboon3k | file INSTALL cannot set permissions on |
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| Laboon3k | "/nix/store/ic8klcfwzqf63ryy6a5q01pqj23izfjs-tdelibs-14.0.8/bin/kgrantpty": |
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| Laboon3k | Operation not permitted. |
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| Laboon3k | Call Stack (most recent call first): |
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| Laboon3k | cmake_install.cmake:82 (include) |
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| pitriss | Hello
guys, any idea how to tell chromium to use kmail as mail client? It
uses thunderbird which is not configured and I am clueless where he is
taking its configuration |
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| pitriss | *where he is pulling config from |
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| pitriss | Ok I'm closer to my goal.. i added x-scheme-handler/mailto=KMail.desktop to the ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list |
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| pitriss | So when I click on mailto link in chrome, it opens kmail.. but instead of address there is %m |
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| agris | crazy coo coo |
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| pitriss | Got it.. i needed to clone the desktop file and remove %m and %i from it and point mailto handler to that new desktop file |
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| SlavekB | Could this file be useful? |
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| SlavekB | /opt/trinity/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/email.desktop |
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| pitriss | I'll look |
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| SlavekB | Although, there is a referenced attachment, so it probably won't be appropriate either. |
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| pitriss | yeah.. but I figured it out.. it works somehow.. |
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| pitriss | But maybe there should be an option to set this also when setting default app in tde |
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| pitriss | something like "Set mailto handler to call default browser" or something |
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| Mashiro_T | Hi guys, long time no see! Looks like i've missed a new release :) |
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| Mashiro_T | I
have a question - maybe somebody tried to use a TDE under Devuan?
That's an Debian fork with the systemd removed and due to this TDE
_probably_ may work incorrectly. |
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| SlavekB | TDE has no major dependencies on SystemD. Therefore, the absence of SystemD is not a problem. |
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| SlavekB | There are more users who use TDE in Devuan. |
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| Mashiro_T | Good then. Thanks. I've just remembered that some patches was made for the systemd environment support. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there is support for systemd, which will take effect if systemd is present. |
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| SlavekB | If systemd is not present, no one will cry about it :) |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys, i wanted to ask.. Is there any way how to set different gama for
just one screen? I have dual head setup now but one screen is too
bright.. |
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| pitriss | color profile section of kcontrol is almost unusable yet.. It crashes, do weird things with the screens etc |
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| pitriss | Hello guys, I have silly question.. What protocol uses that Trinity simple share app/applet? |
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| pitriss | And is there any counterpart for Plasma? |
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| pitriss | I
would like to have some simple share solution over local network.. Best
if it would be config-less. Just set what directories to share and stop
caring about it |
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| Fat-Zer | pitriss: could you be more specific what exact app/applet you are refering to? |
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| Fat-Zer | AFAIR
kde3 had a built-in tool to create samba shares... But it prerequired
some samba server configuration and I'm not sure if it's still viable
now... |
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| Naglfar | is it lua-5.2.x supported ? |
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| denk | a very strange message from kmail: https://paste.dilos.org/?3aeb07f5032c266a#Pq+uLOC6LXd2PTQVqSD+Iq505yWuwP3EZo5QEDl6kzY= |
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| denk | probably it's a platform specific issue |
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| SlavekB | I'm worried that there's a concurrency issue when working with indexes that only occurs in some situations. |
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| denk | ahem... it's bad because threads on illumos are faster than on linux/fbsd |
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| Selk | Hi everybody |
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| SlavekB | Hi Selk, some news from Dragora land? :) |
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| Selk | Hi SlavekB, thanks for ask. |
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| Selk | I haven't upgraded to R14.0.8, yet. |
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| SlavekB | ...while work on R14.0.9 is already underway :) |
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| Selk | We
are working on the new website, the upgrade of the package manager
(major version) and preparing the remote part (a program) to complement
the package manager |
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| Selk | I
can't wait to finish the new version of the package manager so I can
upgrade to TDE and see if it works. Last time it didn't work
for me. |
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| SlavekB | I understand - many other tasks. |
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| Selk | Cool, there will be a new version of 14.0.x series. |
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| Selk | It's planned for when? |
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| Selk | For december? |
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| SlavekB | R14.0.9 is expected in October. |
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| Selk | Oh, good! |
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| SlavekB | We still hope that R14.1.0 could be in December... |
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| SlavekB | ...although it doesn't look very promising. |
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| Selk | I understand. |
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| denk | SlavekB: I did som investigation kmail: https://paste.dilos.org/?ab1d338e2776ab2e#qVhycfqngh8vgkMZc9d87ZXv+m0AzzrExYNhwRGURJs= |
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| denk | len is too big as key |
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| SlavekB | Oh, I'm sorry, I'll be away for a few hours now. However, I will read the details later. |
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| denk | it does not matter because I go to sleep :) |
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| Selk | SlavekB: At first glance, the script: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/scripts/commit/?id=7b460229 |
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| Selk | It does not look. It contains syntax that belongs to Bash when the script uses /bin/sh |
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| Selk | ... D+=("$1") is Bash v3+ |
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| Selk | *It does not look good. |
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| Selk | It should be changed to /bin/bash if you plan to use these features. |
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| Selk | If the script is going to be used locally, I think it will be fine. |
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| Selk | locally or by trinity developers. |
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| SlavekB | Selk, sure, you're right - I thought I had a default shell dash, but that's not the case - I have a default bash. |
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| SlavekB | The script is designed to process existing desktop files for translation using POT / PO, so this should be a single-purpose use. |
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| Selk | All good. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Although
I'm trying a solution that avoids using the array, I notice other
unexpected behavior - the dash automatically interprets the "\n" loaded
into the variable from the "sed" output as a new line. |
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| SlavekB | ok, i can use: printf "% s" "$ POT_HEADER" and it works properly in both bash and dash. |
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| Selk | I haven't tried to interpret the script completaly, but try escaping \n as \\n |
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| Selk | printf is fine. |
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| Selk | *completely |
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| SlavekB | There, the output from the "sed" is simply read and stored in a variable, which is later printed using echo. |
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| SlavekB | There would be a problem if the echo behaves differently in one shell than in the other. |
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| Selk | Hm, where? |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, using printf is a more useful solution. |
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| SlavekB | You can try in bash and dash: |
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| SlavekB | echo "test \ n1" |
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| SlavekB | of course, wihtout spaces: |
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| SlavekB | echo "test\n1" |
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| Selk | It prints: test\n1 |
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| Selk | On Bash 5.0.3 |
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| SlavekB | For me in bash I get: test\n1 |
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| SlavekB | But in dasha I get: |
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| SlavekB | test |
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| SlavekB | 1 |
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| Selk | Oh |
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| Selk | Hmm |
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| Selk | Well.. that's part of POSIX. |
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| Selk | https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/echo.html |
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| SlavekB | In any case, here it is more convenient to use printf "%s" ... because it gives the same result in both cases. |
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| Selk | Yeah |
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| SlavekB | So it seems that a small adjustment is enough to make it work. |
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| Selk | Also, beware with echo -n |
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| Selk | "On XSI-conformant systems, if the first operand is -n, it shall be treated as a string, not an option" |
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| SlavekB | Yeah, so another need to use printf :( |
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| SlavekB | In addition, there proved to be a significant difference between MSGID=`....` × MSGID=$(...) |
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| Selk | `..` is legacy |
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| SlavekB | In the first case, the slashes required for quotation marks were consumed in the dash and did not remain part of the variable. |
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| Selk | $(..) is better in terms of readability |
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| SlavekB | Definitely, I also prefer $() |
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| Selk | If you want echo allowing escape characters, you can have a function |
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| Selk | echo { printf "%b\\n" "$@" ; } |
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| Selk | oops, echo() { printf "%b\\n" "$@"; } |
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| SlavekB | Instead of creating an echo replacement function, it's more readable for me to use printf instead of echo in almost all cases. |
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| SlavekB | Ok, for my test cases, it looks like it now generates the same results in dash and bash. |
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| Selk | Good. |
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| Selk | Well.. I'm off. Good night o/ |
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| ivan_ | Hi!
I'm trying to install tde on CentOS 8, but no luck. It seems like some
packages, such as "jasper", are missing. Can anyone help me? |
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| pitriss | ivan_: i would like to help but I have no experience with TDE on RH based distros unfortunatelly |
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| Selk | Ah, cool. Glad to see someone working on the Spanish translation. :-) |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it's great. The Spanish translator seems motivated because he started very intensely. |
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| Selk | Goood! |
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| bernd | i am us devuan 10 and i dont have sound |
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| bernd | keinen ton |
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| SlavekB | Hi Selk, I noticed you're using KVIrc. Do you know this program in more detail? |
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| Selk | I have Q4OS installed on this machine, in order to run TDE meanwhile... |
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| Selk | SlavekB: So so, why? |
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| SlavekB | I'm having a problem with the strings to translate there. |
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| Selk | Which one? |
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| SlavekB | For example: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvirc/src/branch/master/src/kvirc/kernel/kvi_notifylist.cpp#L686 |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kvirc/src/branch/master/src/kvirc/kernel/kvi_notifylist.cpp#L860 |
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| SlavekB | There, sequences like "\ r! N \ r% Q \ r" are used, where \r is not allowed for gettext. |
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| Selk | At first glance, L686 looks like when you add a person to the notification list |
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| SlavekB | \r!n\r%Q\r |
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| Selk | It looks like this person is added using the nick name plus a mask |
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| SlavekB | I have no idea if it would be safe to replace \r with \n or if \r have any special meaning there. |
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| Selk | If the mask changes, then it notifies. |
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| Selk | No, I don't think so. |
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| Selk | Because the mask has an order |
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| Selk | Let me look the second link. |
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| SlavekB | Msgmerge fails for these translations due to usage of \r. |
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| SlavekB | There are a few more occurring that use \r - some plugins. |
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| Selk | There should be a way to escape that, because "r" seems to be a command. |
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| Selk | From https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html |
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| SlavekB | Therefore,
I try to understand whether \n should be used there or whether \\r
should be there so that the sequence \r is listed as part of the string. |
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| Selk | "r ( po-pop-location )" |
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| Selk | Have you tried with the --escape option? |
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| SlavekB | Escaped characters work fine - there are usually strings that contain \n and \t. |
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| Selk | I see |
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| SlavekB | The problem is that it is here as a control sequence \r, which is not allowed in translation strings. |
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| Selk | It works if you escape \r as \\r ? |
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| SlavekB | In
any case, a message containing such a string will be strange, because
\r will be interpreted as a return (CR) unless \\r is used. |
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| Selk | Yes: |
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| Selk | "Message
strings can contain the escape sequences \n for newline, \t for tab, \v
for vertical tab, \b for backspace, \r for carriage return, \f for
formfeed, \\ for backslash, \" for double quote, \ddd for octal bit
pattern, and \xHH for hexadecimal bit pattern." |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
if \r would be replaced by \\r, then it will work, because escaped will
be \ and the result will be \r specified in the string that the user
will see in the message. |
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| Selk | But you don't want it by default in order to compile, right? |
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| Selk | and for ther correct interpretation of kvirc. |
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| Selk | *the |
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| Selk | Maybe
you can parse the file using sed, escaping the escape sequences
mentioned by msgmerge, output to a tempfile; then use msgmerge to output
to the final file. |
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| SlavekB | For now msgmerge produces: |
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| SlavekB | warning: internationalized messages should not contain the '\r' escape sequence |
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| SlavekB | Sorry, but msgmerge runs automatically for all POT / PO files the same - there's no room for manual work. |
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| SlavekB | In addition, the use of \r seems strange - wrong. |
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| SlavekB | That's why I'm trying to figure out how to fix it. |
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| SlavekB | If
it seems that the sequence \r is to be literally part of the messages
to user, then the correct solution will replace \r with \\r in the
source code. |
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| SlavekB | This will solve the problem. |
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| SlavekB | If it seems correct that there should be a line break in the message, then replacing \r with \n would be the right solution. |
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| SlavekB | Since I don't use KVIrc, I have no idea what the intention was to use \r. All I know is that it needs to be fixed :) |
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| Selk | I think this could be for the notification menu, I mean the format. |
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| Selk | When you have a notification there is a window which raises... |
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| Selk | BTW, every time that I receive some upgrade from Q4OS related to TDE |
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| Selk | There is a crash with konqueror after the upgrade. :( |
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| SlavekB | Currently,
\r used there is unlikely to be visible in the message displayed to the
user => this will be interpreted on the appropriate ascii sequence
during build. |
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| Selk | I'm trying to find the option to add you to the notification list... |
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| Selk | To see if I can have a better idea about the message/format. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it will be great if you can try it in a real window. |
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| Selk | Hmm |
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| Selk | There is no help for /help notify in this version, but http://www.kvirc.net/doc/doc_notify_list.html |
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| Selk | I tried the command: /notify SlavekB *!~slavek@* |
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| Selk | The command /notify exist but unsure if works, because there's no message after the order. |
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| Selk | Also, unsure if the reguser module exist. |
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| Selk | at least, in this version of Kvirc 5.0.0 Aria |
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| Selk | Ah, yes. seems that the reguser order exist |
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| Selk | It does not appear on the Scripting section |
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| Selk | But if you open Execute Script (Ctrl+Shift+X) the order is there. |
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| Selk | I will try it manually |
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| Selk | s/Execute Script/Script Checker |
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| SlavekB | It doesn't seem easy to use KVIrc :) |
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| Selk | Is because it was always a feature-complete IRC client. :-) |
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| Selk | When Kvirc appeared, it was already far more complete than its competitors. |
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| Selk | I was impressed, because the best thing that came "before" was mIRC. |
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| SlavekB | I don't have much experience with irc clients. |
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| Selk | I use it from 1997, love it. |
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| SlavekB | I use Kopete because I use it for Jabber / XMPP and therefore it suited me that I could use the same program for IRC. |
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| Selk | I started with Pirch (a client for Windows) |
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| Selk | Then I switched to mIRC, it was amazing. |
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| Selk | It allows scripting. |
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| Selk | You can customize versions of it. |
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| Selk | I made my own script and made it available to the public at that time. |
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| Selk | it was called "Abuse Script" |
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| Selk | But mIRC's most popular and comprehensive client was IRCap. |
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| Selk | Everything was more fun then, both the programs and the IRC itself. |
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| Selk | mIRC by default is pretty basic and plain, but it has a powerful scripting language |
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| Selk | There was a ton of mIRC scripts, super fun. |
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| pitriss | Selk: I prefer Konversation. I think it is also complete IRC client.. but yeah I also remember old times with mIRC |
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| Selk | Yeah, Kopete/Konversation are good, too. :-) |
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| pitriss | But
about Kopete, I used it back in the days but for jabber I'm using
Vacuum IM now.. As Kopete doesn't support PEP etc.. Actually PEP and
Webarchive XEPs I want from jabber client to be happy.. |
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| pitriss | And also server management from service discovery is cool feature too.. Also present in PSI |
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| pitriss | BTW about Kopete.. ICQ support seems broken.. As it refuses to connect |
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| SlavekB | I have no idea if ICQ has changed connection servers. |
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| pitriss | ICQ is completely overhauled as I discovered last week |
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| pitriss | But should support old protocol still |
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| SlavekB | Yes, you are right that there are a number of things that could be improved for XMPP in Kopete. |
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| pitriss | And
about kopete and jabber. I tried to connect to my prosody instance and
not possible.. It does not support any secure way to connect there..:(
Pity. |
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| SlavekB | For
example, after switching to a newer protocol (necessary to support TLS
connections), file upload initialization does not work here - it is only
possible to receive. |
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| pitriss | Yeah.. Next thing that comes to my mind.. In Band file transfer xep is nice to have too |
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| pitriss | But I would switch back to Kopete as it would be lighter than some QT4/QT5 monster |
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| SlavekB | This is weird - I use jabb.im and there is also the necessary TLS for the connection. |
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| pitriss | Unfortunately it lack many features that are common today..:) |
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| pitriss | It might be my ascii devuan possibly.. |
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| pitriss | Quite old.. But Vacuum and the rest doesn't have any issues |
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| bernd | hello i dont have sound |
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| pitriss | bernd: hi.. Thats pity. :) |
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| bernd | i us devuan 10 buster |
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| pitriss | bernd: I'm affraid your problem description is still too vague to answer |
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| bernd | i dont knew how it works to get sound on my system |
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| pitriss | What sound system are you using? ALSA, Pulse, OSS, OSS4, Jackd? |
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| bernd | nothing from that |
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| pitriss | I guess at least ALSAor OSS is necessary to have sound under linux |
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| bernd | i try alsa or pulseaudio but i dont get sound mean can play music |
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| bernd | in the kmix is HDA ATI HDMI |
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| pitriss | We can try to help you but please keep in mind that this is out of scope of Trinity.. what about alsamixer from terminal ? |
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| pitriss | Any muted channels? |
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| bernd | i will look and see |
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| bernd | i am not so fit in it |
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| pitriss | _Chris_: any chance you are around? |
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| bernd | mean i will say when i install a system it must work run with sound |
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| pitriss | Bernd:
Again. This looks like issue in the system, not in trinity.. Trinity is
only GUI. The sound system is not trinity related until its ARTS
related.. But again ARTS uses ALSA/PA/whatever |
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| pitriss | You need at least alsa installed.. I guess main package is alsautils or so |
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| bernd | ok i will try |
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| pitriss | Sigh.. Anyway I'm still searching my memory which codename Devuan based on Buster is.. Ascii is based on stretch.. So Beowulf? |
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| pitriss | Yeah testing - Beowulf.. Bernd looks bit confused:) |
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| stripe | hi all, trying to install sources to buster but only have su and getting path errors when trying to install the keys package |
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| stripe | ^as root |
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| SlavekB | Hi Stripe, wget on the specified file with keyring was successful? |
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| stripe | yes the key deb package came down no problem |
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| SlavekB | and dpkg -i <file> report a problem? |
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| stripe | yes path errors with oit being run as root and not sudo |
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| stripe | *it |
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| SlavekB | Like that path not found or something else? |
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| stripe | root@X1-Carbon:~# dpkg -i trinity-keyring.deb |
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| stripe | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable |
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| stripe | dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable |
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| stripe | dpkg: error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable |
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| stripe | Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin |
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| stripe | sorry for spamming, tried to paste it as a block |
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| SlavekB | You try to switch to Root using "su -" (to get "login shell"). |
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| stripe | yes I always use su for the root account, (never install or use sudo) |
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| SlavekB | That minus at the end is important. |
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| SlavekB | Without it minus you switch to root, but there are not added paths to PATH. |
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| stripe | thanks my bad will try that |
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| stripe | worked perfectly, sorry for being an idiot :) |
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| SlavekB | The main thing is that the problem was solved :) |
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| stripe | thanks again |
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| anderson_ | Hello, people! Just making a small and very shy announcement, I have created a pre-alpha Nixpkgs overlay for Trinity DE! |
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| SlavekB | Great, that sounds good! |
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| anderson_ | Here is it: https://bitbucket.org/anderson_torres/nixpkgs-tde/src |
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| anderson_ | SlavekB, many thanks! ^^ |
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| anderson_ | For now I am trying to compile tdelibs without success. I will try to write some "bug report" about it now. |
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| SlavekB | As far as I can remember, there was also another user working on NIX packages. |
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| SlavekB | Nick Laboon3k |
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| anderson_ | Yes, I am the same guy :) |
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| anderson_ | I am using another IRC client and it uses my e-mail credentials :) |
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| anderson_ | "anderson" is my real name. Oh, I need to reconfigure Hexchat! |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| SlavekB | Ok :) |
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| SlavekB | It will be easier for you to "talk with the second user what work on NixOS packages" :) |
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| anderson_ | For now, I have this to understand and try to solve. |
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| anderson_ | SlavekB: can someone help me on it? Here is a log of error on tdelibs: http://ix.io/2m51 |
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| denk | anderson_: this file should have permissions -rws--x--x, install cannot set them on your current file system |
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| denk | probably you're doing it on nfs (as example) |
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| anderson_ | denk: probably it is something about the way Nix "sandboxes" the environment. Maybe I need to consult the guys at Nixpkgs. |
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| anderson_ | Is this file important somehow: Something suid or sticky? |
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| anderson_ | We at #nixos use some wrappers for those cases, I will ask the guys later. |
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| denk | sorry, my primary platform is not linux |
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| anderson_ | denk: what is it? Some BSD flavor? |
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| anderson_ | (just out of curiousity) |
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| denk | illumos |
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| anderson_ | Hum, the venerable successors of Solaris. Very fine! I wanna port Nix to it sometime. |
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| denk | to do it you need to create your own distro |
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| anderson_ | denk: Serious? Nix is juts a programming language :) (written in C++) |
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| denk | huh, I just read it is a packag manager |
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| anderson_ | Well,
Nix is both things! It is a Turing-complete programming language to
manage packages. Around it, we create the NixOS linux distro. |
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| anderson_ | But we already support Darwin/MacOSX as an alternate system. |
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| SlavekB | anderson_ - exactly, as say Denk - kgraptpty is installed as SETUID: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/master/tdecore/CMakeLists.txt#L207 |
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| anderson_ | Hum, well, we have some restrictions about SETUID programs. Basically we use wrappers around them. |
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| anderson_ | Is setuid somewhere necessary? |
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| anderson_ | Anyway I will try a thing now... |
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| anderson_ | Oh,
another thing: how can I submit small pacthes to TDE? I use a patch in
order to compile TQT3. It just adjusts a small assumption about a
library. |
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| anderson_ | They are here: https://bitbucket.org/anderson_torres/nixpkgs-tde/src/master/pkgs/tqt3/ |
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| anderson_ | The first patch fixes pwd location, and the second one fixes xrandr. |
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| denk | please review https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/151 |
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| NickE | Hi,
I love TDE but one feature bugs me, my desktop icons are re-arranged
each time I log in, any way to preserve icons where I put them? Thanks
for any help. |
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| pitriss | NickE: hi, there is an option to lock icons on place |
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| NickE | pitriss:
thanks for your reply, I've tried that and it works whilst I'm logged
in, but when I log out and back in again the icons have been rearranged
and then locked in the new positions. |
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| ragedragon | Hello the room, sometimes i'm using in parallel 2 window managers (TDE + plasma) with others users at home... |
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| ragedragon | could you please indicate me which session manager i can use to swap between TDE and the other WM? |
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| ragedragon | Using TDM introduce some problem to switch sessions with plasma... |
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| ragedragon | also an other session manager will introduce somes issues to lock/change session from TDE... |
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| ragedragon | thx |
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| ragedragon | by example there is no button on the lock window to switch between sessions.... |
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| SlavekB | Please, is there anyone who builds tqca-tls along with LibreSSL? |
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| aggi | i did SlavekB |
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| SlavekB | You can test whether tqca-tls is successfully built from the master or the current git r14.0.x branch? |
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| aggi | i am still on 13.x branch, sorry. |
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| SlavekB | Namely, there is a CMake macro used to detect the SSL library and I have no idea if this macro also detects LibreSSL. |
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| denk | SlavekB: is PR#151 better? |
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| SlavekB | If the condition is linux / dilos / other, then it seems a weird comment / * __dilos__ * / for endif. |
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| SlavekB | At
the same time, there is a problem - if "other" occurs, the procpath
value will be undefined and therefore the following code will fail. |
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| denk | then #error unspecified for your platform |
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| denk | as I know fbsd does not use /proc |
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| SlavekB | ...which will currently cause FTBFS to build on FreeBSD ;) |
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| SlavekB | On FreeBSD, there is an option - /compat/linux/proc/%d/exe |
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| denk | then revert it to the first variant |
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| denk | I would like to specify fmt as platform specific constant/definition |
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| SlavekB | The
question is whether the format string can be sufficient. I have no idea
if there may be another way for other systems to find the binary
belonging to the process. |
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| denk | there is no reason to find a binary executable file |
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| denk | it could be stated from a /tmp/xxx which is already deleted |
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| denk | as example |
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| SlavekB | There
it tries to find out if there is still a process referenced by the
kdestkop_lock lock file and if it is really a kdesktop_lock process. |
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| SlavekB | If the process does not exist or exists but is not kdesktop_lock, the lock is considered staled. |
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| denk | what's about some fake procass called kdesktp_lock? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, of course, this is not the ideal way. |
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| denk | in illumos we create a door to a process |
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| denk | at any time some other process can query it |
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| denk | it's something like pipe or socket |
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| denk | home-srv% ls -l /etc/svc/volatile/zonestat_door |
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| denk | Drw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 3 21:53 /etc/svc/volatile/zonestat_door |
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| denk | ok, next time... |
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| jochen | How can I get rid of the R14 XDG compliance errors? I don't get which files to delete. |
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| jochen | cannot find the mentioned desktop files anywhere |
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| jochen | jochen@compi:~/.local/share/applications$ ll kde-* |
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| jochen | ls: Zugriff auf 'kde-*' nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
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| jochen | OK, now I understood your message to delete the entries in the menu file... |
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| CodeHunter | b64 |
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| denk | guys,
a quick question: is it a way to switch from "beautiful" crash dump to
the native system crash dump? I want to generate the core dump file |
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| denk | is there some option in the config file(s)? |
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| denk | ok, the answer has found in the source code, thanks for the help :) |
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| Selk | Wow, lot of commits on TDE, very good progress after R14.0.8. |
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| SlavekB | There have been several commits to a common cmake module, resulting in a submodule update in virtually all modules. |
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| SlavekB | In any case, yes, there are also many regular commits. |
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| Selk | and fixes... |
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| SlavekB | See the regularly updated detailed chagelog: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.9 |
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| Selk | Wow, this is autogenerated? |
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| SlavekB | I automatically generate it from git logs and then manually paste it on the wiki. |
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| Selk | Very good. |
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| Selk | When the R14.0.9 is planned, it was for December? |
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| SlavekB | October. |
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| Selk | Right. |
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| SlavekB | See milestone on TGW summary issue :) |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/29 |
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| Selk | It looks like it will be ready before October. ;-) |
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| cloudlion | Hey
everyone. Has anyone been experiencing issues setting up virtual
desktops with pager. When I set up multiple desktops and name them when I
shut down and restart my changes are lost. I'm running ubuntu
trinity... the latest version. |
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| pitriss | I had no issue with it since I configured it.. But I didn't renamed them |
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| cloudlion | pitriss
make six virtual desktops, rename them, log out then in, see if it
holds then reboot using sudo reboot with nothing running from the
command line and see what happens in both those scenarios. You can
always just delete the virtual desktops in pager. |
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| cloudlion | I'm running trinity as a guest in vbox on windows before I put it to hardware. |
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| cloudlion | Is
anyone here? I know I've encountered this issue before with KDE dating
back to 3.5.1, there were solutions posted on the Internet that
explained how to manually adjust a KDE pager configuration file to force
virtual desktops in pager to behave in a predictable and measured way.
It seems my latest volley of Google searches is coming up blank.
Unfortunately... I can't expect that the Trinity Desktop environment
follows the abso |
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| cloudlion | lute rules that KDE did way way way back when. |
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| cloudlion | Ah.. I'm dating myself. Oh well. |
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| aneejit1 | Hello |
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| MicheleC | @aneejit1: Hi |
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| MicheleC | see msg I sent privately |
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| aneejit1 | The one that's on the pull request for kmplayer? |
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| agris | we have push requests and pull requests, but nobody implemented the stroke request yet |
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| MicheleC | @aneejit1: hi |
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| aneejit1 | hello |
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| MicheleC | @SlavekB is here too |
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| MicheleC | which distro do you use, just for info? |
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| aneejit1 | The
one I'm building for is homebrewed, but I've got Centos and Ubuntu
installed as well (although I tend to rely on the update service on
those) |
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| MicheleC | oh ok |
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| MicheleC | can you explain us about your environment, especially why you have two tqt folders? |
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| MicheleC | sounds a bit weird, to say the least |
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| SlavekB | aneejit1, we're surprised why you should need to add all library paths to link_directories. |
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| aneejit1 | I
still have a load of OCO applications that need 32 bit libraries, so my
build process automatically does both. I discovered a long time ago
that the only reliable way to handle Qt was to have a complete install
for both. |
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| MicheleC | so we are trying to understand why this seems necessary but for that we need to know a bit more on your env :-) |
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| aneejit1 | OK,
X11 is in /usr/X11, gnome is /opt/gnome, kde is /opt/kde[3|4|5],
trinity is /opt/trinity, there's old compatibilty stuff in /opt/compat,
and most of everything else is in /usr |
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| aneejit1 | I
know it's non-standard, but it is very helpful to have it this way when
an install of these large accumulations of projects goes wrong.
Building to separate directories simply allows me to rename things out
if an updated build doesn't work. |
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| aneejit1 | For
instance, I've never once managed to build X11 without something
screwing up. If it all went into /usr, I'd have to recover everything in
there to get the gui working again which is a bit time consuming. |
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| SlavekB | We were confused, for example, by the fact that you add paths for individual GStreamer components. |
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| SlavekB | ${GSTREAMER_LIBRARY_DIRS} |
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| SlavekB | ${GSTREAMER_PLUGIN_LIBRARY_DIRS} |
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| SlavekB | ${GSTREAMER_VIDEO_LIBRARY_DIRS} |
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| SlavekB | Is it really possible that they will be on different paths? |
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| SlavekB | Similar: |
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| SlavekB | ${X11_LIBRARY_DIR} |
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| SlavekB | ${X11_XTest_LIBRARY_PATH} |
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| MicheleC | ah ah, Slavek is faster than me...I was about to write the same XTest folder :-) |
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| aneejit1 | I
could say the same thing about the include_directories. I tend to work
to the assumption that you cannot guarantee the environment that you are
building into. While you or I may have these things in the same place,
someone else may not. |
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| SlavekB | You're right that it makes sense to use the variables for which the tests were performed. |
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| aneejit1 | 'Tis worth remembering that X11 has a libX11 library and that X11_LIBRARY_DIR may not refer to X11 as a whole |
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| SlavekB | By the way, I'm testing LINK PRIVATE right now. |
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| aneejit1 | It seemed like a logical way to do it rather than coding the target_link_libraries into each CMakeLists.txt file |
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| aneejit1 | It's what I meant by a prettier solution! |
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| SlavekB | Yes, using private linking removes many unnecessarily listed libraries. |
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| aneejit1 | I've just discovered that there's no test for Xtest, so the LIB_XTest_* variables aren't set, not even the one for the includes! |
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| aneejit1 | That should have been "X11_XTest"... oops |
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| SlavekB | ok, so it looks like adding all paths to link_libraries and includes may be really necessary in some cases. |
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| aneejit1 | Can I add changes (i.e. to do an Xtest check) once the pull request is filed or does that mess things up? |
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| SlavekB | On
the branch you can do an ammend of an existing commit and use git push
with the -f option. Or a branch can contain multiple commits if it makes
sense for the changes to be separate commits. |
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| aneejit1 | Which is preferable and how do I do it? |
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| SlavekB | Both variants have their valid uses. |
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| SlavekB | If this is a fix for a commit that is part of a branch waiting in a pull-request, it is a good idea to use amend there. |
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| SlavekB | Aneejit1, I assume that after uploading a branch to common cmake module, you will want to create a pull-request? |
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| aneejit1 | Hello. Yes, I'll get to that shortly. I've just got a weird error installing tdelibs that I'm looking at. |
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| SlavekB | Ah, I understand. |
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| aneejit1 | So,
what role does buzgilla play if it's "old"? Do I need to raise anything
there before I do it, or is it OK to go ahead and make the changes
without it? |
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| SlavekB | I'd
rather close the Bugzilla for adding new messages so that everything is
entered into the TGW. However, we must first discuss this with our
users. |
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| SlavekB | If you don't have a strong emotional connection to Bugzilla, you can forget about it and enter everything into TGW :) |
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| aneejit1 | I'll
admit to coming from mainframe environments where the change management
process is rather heavily controlled which probably explains how I've
been using bugzilla. But no, not overly connected to it. |
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| SlavekB | You can use TGW in a similar way. |
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| SlavekB | There it is possible to enter an Issue to report the problem. |
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| SlavekB | And then a pull-request can be created to solve this problem. |
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| aneejit1 | I had noticed that functionality was available but just assumed there was good reason for it not being in use. |
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| SlavekB | However,
if you have a patch ready, there is no need to create a separate issue,
but it is possible to enter a pull-request directly, where you enter
information in the comment about what problem it solves. |
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| SlavekB | The reasons are so far only historical. |
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| SlavekB | We
need to complete the migration of the remaining services from the
original primary server to the new tde-box, and at the same time we want
to decide to shut down some older services that can be replaced by
newer tools - such as replacing Bugzilla with Issues in TGW. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
Regarding of Bugzilla if there is a way to export bugs from it to the
TGW with some flag eg bugzilla import, then do it.. As I think there
could be still relevant bugs, and it needs time to check if they are
valid.. |
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| pitriss | Otherwise make bugzilla RO for common users and add note to recreate bugs from it on TGW with link to bugzilla |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
one possible way is that the existing open bug reports would be
resolved within Bugzilla, only the option of entering new bug reports
would be turned off. |
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| SlavekB | The second way is to migrate bug reports from Bugzilla to TGW. |
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| SlavekB | Before
that, it will be a good idea to resolve the fact that there is an item
in the Help menu to report a bug / request for an improvement that is
ready for Bugzilla. |
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| spotracite | Does
anyone know where the Slackware package went? I might be a little late
to notice but it looks like it was removed from the index at
mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop |
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| SlavekB | Spotracite,
Slackware packages on the mirror were obsolete and unmaintained for a
long time. Therefore, as part of the cleaning were removed. |
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| pitriss | Hello
guys. I got Rpi4 8GB model and I would like to try trinity on it.. Is
it also for armfh ? And second question, Is there anybody who tested TDE
on 4k screen? |
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| pitriss | I heard rumors that "Pi4 can't handle 1080p youtube video in chromium".. It looks like I achieved another impossible thing :D |
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| pitriss | Guys
just FYI.. Trinity runs pretty well on rpi4.. I just tested it but my
plan is to have full devuan setup when I got any spare HDD:) |
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| SlavekB | Pitriss,
yYes, as you already know, there are many variants that should be
possible to use - for Debian builds armhf and arm64, for Raspbian build
amrhf. |
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| pitriss | yeah armfh is good but I would love to have arm64 build on devuan |
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| pitriss | But it needs more time as this build is too fresh and also I don't have HDD to install yet |
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| MicheleC | @aneejit1: are you going to create PR for your latest commits? just wondering |
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| MicheleC | for tdepim and tdegraphics, I mean |
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| aneejit1 | @MicheleC, just done it! |
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| MicheleC | @aneejit1: thanks (y) |
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| MicheleC | @aneejit1: thanks for all the contributions you have been doing lately. Keep it up!! (y) |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: I would like to ask.. Do you have somewhere trinity repo with aarch64 build (arm64) ? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, arm64 is standard part of respository. |
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| pitriss | Ok.. even on PTB? |
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| SlavekB | Oh,
a very good reminder - for PTB the list of architectures is limited and
probably arm64 is not there for any distribution yet - I'll check it
out. |
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| pitriss | thanks.. Because I am using Devuan Beowulf on my Rpi4 |
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| pitriss | And it should be supported by PSB/PTB |
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| pitriss | and beowulf codename give me 404, buster no arch amd64 |
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| pitriss | So maybe even there is missing symlink |
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| SlavekB | I checked - currently only Bullseye and SID contains arm64 builds. |
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| pitriss | ok |
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| SlavekB | While Beowulf is based on Stretch. |
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| pitriss | Ascii is Strecch |
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| pitriss | Beowulf should be Buster https://devuan.org/os/releases |
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| SlavekB | ach, yes, correct. |
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| SlavekB | Ok, I probably can allow building arm64 for Buster as well. |
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| SlavekB | ...in PTB. |
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| pitriss | Thanks..:) |
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| pitriss | I would like to have something really light there :) And I'm curious how usable it will be..:) |
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| SlavekB | I turned on arm64 builds for Bullseye mainly because of https://github.com/daniel-thompson/pinebook-pro-debian-installer/ |
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| pitriss | wow.. |
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| SlavekB | As I see it, now there it is also possible to choose Buster as a distribution, so arm64 builds can also be useful for this :) |
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| pitriss | I can't promise anything.. But there is great devuans rpi builder script in developement https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder/ so maybe when I get some time i could try to make image with trinity |
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| SlavekB | Nice, that looks interesting. |
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| SlavekB | Anyway, it's decided - we'll add arm64 builds for Buster in PTB. |
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| pitriss | Thanks.. How long it takes to build? |
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| SlavekB | Because the build is done using qemu-user, it runs a bit slower than native builds like amd64 / i386 and ppc64el... |
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| SlavekB | This will probably take a few days before all arm64 packages are available for Buster. |
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| SlavekB | However,
you will be able to watch as the packages are added gradually - I
assume that once at least the basic ones like tdelibs and tdebase are
available, you will be able to start trying it. |
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| pitriss | ok thanks:) |
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| SlavekB | Pitriss,
you can see that most "core" modules like tdelibs, tdebase, tdepim,
tdemultimedia are already available for Buster@arm64 in PTB. |
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| pitriss | thanks |
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| SlavekB | At this point, all core modules are available and about half of the applications. The current state is: |
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| SlavekB | Pitriss, FYI: |
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| SlavekB | 8 BUILD |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: ty |
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| SlavekB | It looks like it's going to be complete faster than I expected :) |
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| pitriss | thats great.. those 2 failed are not important packages? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, they are uninteresting: |
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| SlavekB | for one is needed to update the source package, because the fix has already been pushed (kcontrol-ldap-controller-trinity) |
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| SlavekB | the
second failed only because another successfully compiled package was
included at the time the chroot was updated => apt information was
inconsistent (tellico-trinity). |
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| SlavekB | In other words, both will be ok soon. |
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| pitriss | great both doesn't hurt me if they will be missing at all |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: E: The repository 'http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-testing beowulf Release' does not have a Release file. //Is this caused by missing link between Buster and Beowulf? |
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| SlavekB | Use 'buster' in apt sources list instead of beowulf. |
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| pitriss | ok.. |
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| pitriss | I'm
asking as Beowulf is new stable and jessie and ascii have its own
symlink in the repo.. so for sake of consistency this may be good to
make if it is not hard |
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| SlavekB | The
problem is that if I did a simple symlink, apt would report that in
Release file, instead of the expected Beowulf, is Buster. |
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| pitriss | ah, then let it as is |
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| SlavekB | There
could be a solution: instead of a simple symlink, generate separate apt
information that would contain Devuan distribution names. |
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| SlavekB | Due
to the fact that the repositories are no longer managed on Quickbuild,
but using a reprepro tool, such a solution is possible. |
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| pitriss | thats
could be nice.. as it could be misleading for some users.. I am not
expecting too much noobs using devuan, but you never know.. |
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| SlavekB | It
is good that due to the fact that binary packages are identical for
Debian as for Devuan, the only increase in disk space consumed is only
apt information. And these are not very big. |
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| pitriss | yeah few plain text and few compressed files IIRC |
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| pitriss | apparently whole tdebase-trinity is compiled |
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| SlavekB | Yes
exactly. At the same time, it does not even represent a great burden on
administration, because one call to "reprepro update" is enough there
:) |
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| pitriss | pi@raspberry:~$ sudo invoke-rc.d tdm start |
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| pitriss | grep: /etc/trinity/tdm/backgroundrc: No such file or directory |
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| pitriss | this is strange |
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| SlavekB | It is possible that the file is generated when setting up TDM. |
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| pitriss | ok maybe yes.. TDM runs.. |
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| SlavekB | So there will be a good thing for grep to add a condition to be executed only if a configuration file already exists. |
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| mutantturkey | denk: those links are dead? |
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| pitriss | Hope
Slavek will go through logs.. I am curious if there was some work on
dcop for kmix.. As I had set "input actions" for volume control and dcop
kmix Mixer0 increaseVolume 0 was enough previously, now it needs also
percentage parameter |
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| pitriss | If there was some change, maybe there should be second param optional and when not specified, then default to old percentage |
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| pitriss | Also.. In my case decreaseVolume was ok with percentage of 2 and increaseVolume did nothihg until i put percentage of 4 |
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| pitriss | But as I'm on PTB I expect bugs/changes |
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| pitriss | also
Not sure if I would use "percentage" as percentage from what? current
volume setting or maximal? I would prefer to specify volume with a
number (eg min volume is 0, max volume is 100) and second parameter
would be not percentage but just number.. some chunk to add/remove from
current value. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: Hi did you seen bvacklog from friday night (23:00) |
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| SlavekB | ? |
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| pitriss | i'll repost |
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| pitriss | [23:03:07]
<pitriss> Hope Slavek will go through logs.. I am curious if
there was some work on dcop for kmix.. As I had set "input actions" for
volume control and dcop kmix Mixer0 increaseVolume 0 was enough
previously, now it needs also percentage parameter |
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| pitriss | [23:03:48]
<pitriss> If there was some change, maybe there should be second
param optional and when not specified, then default to old percentage |
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| pitriss | [23:04:29]
<pitriss> Also.. In my case decreaseVolume was ok with percentage
of 2 and increaseVolume did nothihg until i put percentage of 4 |
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| pitriss | [23:04:50] <pitriss> But as I'm on PTB I expect bugs/changes |
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| pitriss | [23:09:44]
<pitriss> also Not sure if I would use "percentage" as percentage
from what? current volume setting or maximal? I would prefer to specify
volume with a number (eg min volume is 0, max volume is 100) and second
parameter would be not percentage but just number.. some chunk to
add/remove from current value. |
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| SlavekB | One moment, I will first complete the commit for kdiff3 so I can build the packages... |
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| pitriss | np |
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| SlavekB | Now I'm looking at PSB - increaseVolume only requires a device index. |
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| SlavekB | According to the code, this should be an increment relative to the current volume. |
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| pitriss | yeah on stable it also needs only device index |
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| pitriss | But on PTB it requires that increment |
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| pitriss | And I don't think percentage on current volume is best choice |
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| pitriss | As on lower volume it makes smaller steps, and on high volume it makes impossible to fine tune volume.. |
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| pitriss | Maybe it could be better to use percentages from full scale.. so this value would be stable |
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| SlavekB | Maybe
I put it wrong: The basis - 100% - is the maximum volume. The
percentage specified for increase / decrease is the percentage by which
the current volume will be increased / decreased. |
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| pitriss | Ok
ok.. but still It was behaving weird (decrease / increase needed
different minimum) and I think this should be optional with some sane
default.. lets say 5% ? |
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| manjaro-user_ | hello... am looking for a little assistance in comiling trinity from source |
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| wrecked_machine | good morning... am I in the right place to ask trinity desktop build questions? |
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| SlavekB | Manjaro-user? |
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| SlavekB | Do I remember correctly that Manjaro is based on Arch Linux? |
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| wrecked_machine | it is, yes |
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| wrecked_machine | sorry for the delay in answering... my kid spilled coffee everywhere |
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| wrecked_machine | but i'm running into trouble building tqt3 |
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| SlavekB | Have you tried unofficial TDE packaging for Arch? |
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| SlavekB | The clone is placed on our TGW: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/SlavekB/tde-packaging-arch |
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| wrecked_machine | i saw it, but noticed it's a couple of versions behind |
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| SlavekB | Yes, there would be good more active maintenance :) |
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| wrecked_machine | so i don't know if it's still maintained or not |
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| SlavekB | The problem for Arch packaging has always been that there were no volunteers who would be willing to maintain it. |
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| SlavekB | Ideal here would be to include Arch packaging in the official tde-packaging. |
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| wrecked_machine | so the third instruction on your wiki for building a package that requires autotools is: |
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| wrecked_machine | make -f admin/Makefile.common |
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| wrecked_machine | the output i get: |
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| wrecked_machine | make -f admin/Makefile.common |
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| wrecked_machine | make: admin/Makefile.common: No such file or directory |
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| wrecked_machine | make: *** No rule to make target 'admin/Makefile.common'. Stop. |
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| wrecked_machine | not sure how to proceed from there. I admit i'm kind of new at this |
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| SlavekB | Do you use official tarball, tarball downloaded from git or git clone? |
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| wrecked_machine | official tarball |
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| wrecked_machine | what
i would like to do... if I can figure this out... is build up-to-date
packages, keept them up-to-date, and put them where others can get at
them |
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| SlavekB | If
you're motivated to make the effort of maintaining arch packaging,
there would be a great way to incorporate it into official
tde-packaging. |
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| SlavekB | Or,
if the packaging directory requires a specifically defined structure,
it could be created as the official tde-packaging-arch repository - much
like you can see tde-packaging-gentoo repository. |
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| wrecked_machine | right now i'm stuck on building the first package so i'm not getting my hopes up... |
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| wrecked_machine | any idea what i'm doing wrong? i'm following the instructions on the wiki page precisely |
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| SlavekB | One moment - you build tqt3 as such? |
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| SlavekB | It does not use automake or cmake, but its own configure script and then qmake. |
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| wrecked_machine | so how do i run that? |
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| wrecked_machine | i don't see instructions for it on the wiki |
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| SlavekB | Will pkgbuild from arch packing help? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/SlavekB/tde-packaging-arch/src/branch/master/tde-core/tde-tqt3/PKGBUILD |
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| SlavekB | ...or rules from Deb packaging: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_base/dependencies/tqt3/debian/rules#L132 |
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| wrecked_machine | thanks...
i actually got it figured out just before you sent those, but I think
I'm going to use that packagebuild file and build it into a package that
the system recognizes. thanks. I'll be back if anything else goes wrong |
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| wrecked_machine | it's got your handle on it. did you create these pkgbuilds? |
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| SlavekB | No, I can't do arch packing. |
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| wrecked_machine | gotcha. if i understand how this works correctly, I should just be able to change the pkgver number, correct? |
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| SlavekB | There is also a difference in the path and file name: |
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| SlavekB | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/releases/R14.0.8/main/dependencies/ |
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| wrecked_machine | and the filename would now be tqt3-trinity-${pkgver}.tar.bz2? |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| SlavekB | not bz2, but xz. |
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| wrecked_machine | getting there. i had to modify the dependencies a little, but now i have files failing the validity check... |
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| SlavekB | did you update the md5sum listed in pkgbuild? |
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| wrecked_machine | ok fixed that. now i get this: |
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| wrecked_machine | oops wrong thing |
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| wrecked_machine | this: |
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| wrecked_machine | PKGBUILD: line 32: cd: /home/gene/build/main/dependencies/tqt3-trinity-14.0.8/src/dependencies/tqt3: No such file or directory |
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| SlavekB | Here should be only cd ${srcdir} - tarball now contains directly the source code of a specific module, without parent folders: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/SlavekB/tde-packaging-arch/src/branch/master/tde-core/tde-tqt3/PKGBUILD#L32 |
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| wrecked_machine | and this will apply to all of the pkgbuilds for trinity? |
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| SlavekB | yes, all tarballs now contains directly code for module, not parent folders. |
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| SlavekB | in fact, there is now a folder by name and version - for example tqt3-trinity-14.0.8 |
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| SlavekB | so there will probably be a need: |
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| SlavekB | cd $(srcdir}/tqt3-trinity-14.0.8 |
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| SlavekB | so there will probably be a need: |
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| SlavekB | cd $(srcdir}/tqt3-trinity-${pkgver} |
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| SlavekB | or, may be better: |
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| SlavekB | cd $(srcdir}/${pkgbase/tde-}-trinity-${pkgver} |
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| SlavekB | ...ach, typo, not pkgbase but pkgname: |
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| SlavekB | Oh, tqt3 contains pkgbase, tqtinterface contains pkgname :) |
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| wrecked_machine | yeah,
I've also got an unrecognized makefile here. i'm starting to wonder if
i'd be better off starting from scratch. a lot has changed |
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| wrecked_machine | i'm
just building it from source; it's running as we speak. if i get a
clean install i will then worry about creating packages, I think |
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| SlavekB | By
the way, how are pkgbuilds usually used in arch? Is there any
configuration where it is possible to add a user path for pkgbuilds? |
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| SlavekB | I'm wondering how it could work there if Arch pkgbuilds were placed in the arch directory in the tde-packaging git repository? |
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| wrecked_machine | i'm still in the process of learning how it's done yself |
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| SlavekB | Ok, no rush :) |
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| wrecked_machine | so
i'm trying to just compile from source. i ran ./configure and that went
fine. i then ran /usr/bin/make and got the following error: |
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| wrecked_machine | In file included from dialogs/qprintdialog.cpp:75: |
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| wrecked_machine | /usr/include/rpcsvc/yp_prot.h:10:10: fatal error: rpc/rpc.h: No such file or directory |
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| wrecked_machine | 10 | #include <rpc/rpc.h> |
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| wrecked_machine | i think i figured it out... i'm missing a library. installing that now |
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| wrecked_machine | problem not solved. i keep getting the same error. |
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| wrecked_machine | an
internet search reveals that lots of peoplea re having a similar issue
with software builds. something about certain functionaity being taken
over by a different bit of software? |
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| SlavekB | I assume you need a tirpc library |
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| wrecked_machine | libtirpc 1.2.6-1 is currently installed on my system |
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| wrecked_machine | the complete output is here: |
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| wrecked_machine | https://controlc.com/e8860195 |
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| SlavekB | You can try to build with -no-nis option. |
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| wrecked_machine | will attempt |
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| wrecked_machine | i think that just worked |
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| wrecked_machine | sigh...
i'm encountering problems at every step of the process. i'm going to
have to put this off for a few weeks until i have more time. at the very
least, be advised that the instructions for building from source in
your wiki are not entirely functional on the present Arch platform |
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| Mystified1234 | Hi guys, new here where are the cmd line commands for the packagemanager ie to upgrade & install pkgs |
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| Mystified1234 | I ran upgrades through synaptic but I prefer cmd line |
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| Mystified1234 | thanks in advance |
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| SlavekB | Hi Mystified1234 |
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| SlavekB | for deb based distribution? |
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| SlavekB | I recommend installing aptitude. |
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| Mystified1234 | ahh |
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| Mystified1234 | sorry wrong channel |
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| Mystified1234 | after #pclinux |
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| Mystified1234 | thanks & cheers |
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| ToxicExMachina | Hi everyone. |
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| ToxicExMachina | It
seems prelimenary stable build of TDE now is incompatible with the
current version of Debian Sid / Devuan Ceres because of different
version of binutils. |
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| ToxicExMachina | libr0 : Depends: libbinutils (< 2.34.1) but 2.34.90.20200706-1 is to be installed |
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| m1k3 | Using tde has made me realize how much great functionality has been yanked from other DEs and WMs. |
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| m1k3 | One feature I'd love to see in KMix though is the ability to boost audio past 100%. |
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| m1k3 | Good morning, everyone! Or whatever time of day it is for you. |
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| m1k3 | Anyone know why my notifications might not be working? |
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| m1k3 | I see that knotify is running. When I type notify-send 'Hello' in a terminal nothing happens. |
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| SlavekB | knotify is for regular TDE notifications. |
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| SlavekB | you may need kdbusnotification-trinity |
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| m1k3 | Oh ok, thanks SlavekB |
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| m1k3 | I installed it but the notifcation still didn't work. Do I need to restart my session? |
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| SlavekB | a restart session should not be required |
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| m1k3 | Hmm |
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| Guest32908 | hi,
is there any way to increase DPI size for HiDPI displays? I'm trying to
use TDE on a TV and everything is too small. Thanks in advance |
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| denk | just for info, tv 4k? |
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| MicheleC | you can have folding marker on the side but not the vertical lines for each scope |
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| Aristide | Hello ! Trinity Desktop is a beautiful desktop <3 Thank's for your job <3 |
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| jstolarek | @MicheleC, can you add me as a contributor? I have a tiny fix that I want to submit as a PR via Gitea |
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| SlavekB | jstolarek - I don't know if Michele told you that you are now a member of the Contributors team. |
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| johannes_ | hello,
I am new and have a dedicated question: I have got a program, written
in Qt3. Does anybody know, if I can compile it with TDE? Possibly
without any change? |
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| SlavekB | To use an older application with TQt3 and TDE, it is necessary to perform the conversion step by step using scripts: |
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| SlavekB | 1. create_tqt3_from_qt3 |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/scripts/src/branch/master/conversions/qt3-tqt3/create_tqt3_from_qt3 |
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| SlavekB | 2. convert_existing_kde3_app_to_tde |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/scripts/src/branch/master/conversions/kde-tde/convert_existing_kde3_app_to_tde |
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| SlavekB | If this is an application built using automake, then you update the admin directory to this: |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-common-admin |
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| johannes_ | Ah, thanks a lot. I will try! Thanks again.. |
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| jstolarek | @SlavekB: he didn't. Thanks! |
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| jstolarek | @SlavekB:
I've checked out TDE sources via https so now obviously all remotes
point to https. Is there a script to switch remotes to SSH? |
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| SlavekB | johannes_
if this is an older Qt3/KDE application that could be of interest to
other users, you can contact the TDE team - we can help you with
conversion and add the application to the TDE umbrella. |
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| SlavekB |
jstolarek If you clone the main TDE repository and scripts repository
using ssh, then using the switch_all_submodules_to_head_and_clean script
will ensure that all sub-repositories will also be cloned using ssh. |
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| jstolarek | I
see. I followed instructions on the wiki, which assume
https. I can check out the sources again with SSH, but that
seems like a horrible waste of bandwidth |
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| SlavekB | Yes, if you have everything cloned, it would be silly to throw everything away. |
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| jstolarek | and
of course I can come up with a script that does the job but I don;'t
want to reinvent the wheel if such a script already exists |
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| SlavekB | You may only need to use find to find all ".git/config" files and use sed to replace the repository URL. |
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| jstolarek | anyway, it's just one small patch at the moment, so I switched to ssh manually |
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| johannes_ | @SlavekB:
This is a company internal application, controlling a unit/device which
is of no use to outside the company.. :-) (And the program is quite
"quick and dirty") |
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| jstolarek | ah yes, that might work |
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| jstolarek | anyway, PR for Yakuake submitted |
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| jstolarek | "There is no key available to sign this commit" |
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| SlavekB | johannes_ ok I understand. If you need any help with conversion, don't hesitate to ask. |
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| jstolarek | does this mean I messed up commit signing? |
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| jstolarek | the commit shows as signed... |
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| jstolarek | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/yakuake/commit/2521e2a8ba60c96f2feec07d3d9957f0bf80b20c |
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| SlavekB | You
don't have to worry about this message - this is for cases where TGW
would rebase, so it's information that the resulting commit would not
have a GPG signature from TGW. |
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| jstolarek | I see. Meh, I forgot to rebase before submitting - forgot my Weblate translations will go into the repo |
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| SlavekB | Because your commit has a GPG signature and there is no need to rebase, your GPG signature will be properly preserved. |
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| SlavekB | Currently your commit is on HEAD. Your translations have not yet been pushed from TWTW. |
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| jstolarek | yes, I was thinking about my PR commit - I could have rebased it on top of my current commit in master |
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| SlavekB | In case your commit is not on HEAD, Michele and I will normally ask for a rebase first :) |
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| jstolarek | is it ok for me to force-push my PR branch? |
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| jstolarek | as in: I want to do the local rebase and force-pus updated PR branch |
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| SlavekB | Yes, on branches for PR is ok to use force-push- |
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| jstolarek | ok, I'll do it then |
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| jstolarek | ok, done |
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| SlavekB | jstolarek - FYI build of yakuake is underway. |
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| jstolarek | @SlavekB: thanks. I'm clicking through desktop translations for kcontrol, but it's sooooooo slow :-/ |
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| SlavekB | update in TWTW is still in progress... |
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| jstolarek | I was meaning to ask, what does TWTW stand for? |
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| SlavekB | However, it should soon be completed - a commit has just been pushed into TGW. |
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| SlavekB | TDE Weblate Translation Workspace :) |
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| SlavekB | Similar to TDE Gitea Workspace. |
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| SlavekB | By
the way, thanks to your finding about "_n: ", it initiated the addition
of a check / fix to the script that updates the POT and merge PO to the
stable branch. |
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| jstolarek | I'm glad to hear my mistake lead to something useful |
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| SlavekB | Yes, very useful. Now every new occurrence will be automatically corrected :) |
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| SlavekB | It's wonderful to use magic with "sed" :) |
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| jstolarek | Nice. I still need to sit down and finish reviewing Amarok translations |
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| SlavekB | An updated yakuake should be available in the PSB and PTB repository in about 15 to 20 minutes. |
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| jstolarek | ok, I'll take a look, see how that goes |
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| jstolarek | Also, doing the translations leads me to finding bugs |
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| jstolarek | I fear this is more than a small team of devs can process :( |
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| SlavekB | That's fine - sooner or later it will be processed :) |
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| SlavekB | Thanks to TGW and TWTW, we are now moving forward faster than ever before. |
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| jstolarek | so, do you and Michele actually work on TDE full-time ? |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| SlavekB | Not at all - we are often very busy with our work tasks. |
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| jstolarek | so that's just a hobby project? |
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| SlavekB | ...but we always try to find as much time as we spend on TDE. |
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| SlavekB | Yes, everything is the work of volunteers and enthusiasts. |
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| jstolarek | hard to beleve the whole project relies on just a handful of people |
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| SlavekB | BTW, a yakuake update should already be available. |
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| jstolarek | the translation still shows up as broken :-/ |
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| SlavekB | Has the update been downloaded and installed? |
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| SlavekB | 4:14.0.9~pre25 ? |
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| jstolarek | yes |
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| jstolarek | https://i.imgur.com/p9u5uUR.png |
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| SlavekB | I assume you quit / restarted yakuake? |
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| jstolarek | yes |
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| jstolarek | had to kill it just now, cause that broken translation leads to a freeze |
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| jstolarek | @SlavekB: I'm looked at other translations and I just don't see what's wrong :-/ |
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| SlavekB | [yakuake] ERROR: translation of "Shell" doesn't contain 3 different plural forms as expected |
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| SlavekB | ...the same for IT translation. |
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| jstolarek | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/yakuake/src/branch/master/translations/messages/nl.po#L329 |
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| jstolarek | here's a Netherlands translation - looks just like Polish or Italian |
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| jstolarek | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/yakuake/src/branch/master/translations/messages/hu.po#L316 |
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| jstolarek | Hungarian has just one form |
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| jstolarek | what the hell... |
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| * jstolarek gives up on desktop translations - TWTW is too slow to do anything |
| SlavekB | It seems that TWTW is starting to react more acceptably again. |
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| SlavekB | :o |
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| SlavekB | I am surprised. |
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| SlavekB | ...ah, okay, I'm not saying anything, the test was wrong on my side :) |
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| SlavekB | Okay, I did another test and it looks fine. |
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| SlavekB | For Polish, as for many other languages, the plural notation expects three variants. |
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| SlavekB | I'll make a note in TGW... |
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| MicheleC | "@MicheleC, can you add me as a contributor? I have a tiny fix that I want to submit as a PR via Gitea" |
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| MicheleC | was this from you Janek? |
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| MicheleC | sorry just seen it now but had already done that ;-) as you know |
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| jstolarek | @MicheleC: yes, that was from me |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| Selk | Hi everybody |
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| * Selk polishing some messages for the Konsole Spanish translation... |
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| Selk | Spanish translation for Konsole is up-to-date and at 100%! |
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| SlavekB | Selk, great! |
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| selk | I'll see if I can translate more stuff during the week... |
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| selk | It's already progress, since I corrected line breaks, improved sentences, etc. :-) |
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| selk | How is called the initial (welcome) dialog?. I want to translate it. |
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| selk | SlavekB: How is called the initial (welcome) dialog?. I want to translate it... |
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| SlavekB | You mean ktip? |
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| SlavekB | Or kpersonalizer? |
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| selk | The very initial dialog |
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| selk | When it asks about the initial settings, you can ommit it, too. |
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| SlavekB | ksplash? |
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| selk | Ah, yes. Ksplash. |
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| selk | I think so. |
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| selk | I will take a look, thx. |
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| SlavekB | It's great to see new translations! |
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| selk | Yeah |
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| selk | One question, where is the button to save all the modifications in Zen mode? |
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| selk | I
looked at the ksplash Spanish translation, and it looks good, only
minor changes from my previous (last) translation/modification. |
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| selk | I want to save it, but I don't know where is the button... |
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| SlavekB | As far as I know, in Zen mode it saves it continuously after each individual translation. |
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| SlavekB | Funny - even at this time it was time to commit... |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-i18n/commit/56ff2e6381cd81cb47ec0860b7231c82510c8c63 |
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| selk | Oh, auto. |
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| selk | Okay, all done. :-) |
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| selk | I
will look at Kate later and check my previous
modifications. I have Kate on this system, I can have a
better idea of the general context. |
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| selk | Correct what is (if any), and translate what is needed. |
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| jstolarek | what is the difference between Name and GenericName in .desktop files ? |
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| SlavekB | Name is the specific name of the program, GenericName is usually the general name of the program. |
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| SlavekB | For example Name=KMail, GenericName=Mail Client. |
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| jstolarek | what's the difference? |
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| jstolarek | ah, I see |
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| jstolarek | btw. TWTW is barely working again |
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| jstolarek | anything going on on the server right now? |
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| SlavekB | No, no very demanding task is currently underway. |
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| jstolarek | what are "parts"? As in "KManPart"? |
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| SlavekB | tdebase / tdeio_man |
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| aneejit1 | Hello. Commit 15116d8f64 seems to have broken tdelibs! gcc is having problems with its parameters not being named. |
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| TDEUser | How do you restart the wizard of TDE? |
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| TDEUser | I don't wanna go through all the settings. |
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| TDEUser | *want to |
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| SlavekB | You mean kpersonalizer? |
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| TDEUser | Let me check. |
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| TDEUser | Exactly what i wanted. |
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| TDEUser | Thank you for showing me the command! :) |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| TDEUser | how do you disable autostart programs from previous session? |
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| TDEUser | i dont want my RAM filled up |
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| SlavekB | Do you mean once or permanently? |
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| SlavekB | If once, you can clean up unwanted programs in ~/.trinity/share/config/session |
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| TDEUser | permanent |
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| SlavekB | If permanently, you can change the session settings in the Trinity Control Center. |
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| TDEUser | ok |
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| TDEUser | but |
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| TDEUser | which category? |
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| TDEUser | wait |
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| TDEUser | let me check myself |
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| TDEUser | it worked :) |
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| charltonh | Hi
guys, my Trinity desktop broke today. Some change must have
gone in and now my trinity-base/kdesktop no longer
compiles. It complains about an undefined reference to
TQVariant. kicker doesn't compile either. |
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| SlavekB | Hi, what branch are you building on? |
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| SlavekB | There it is necessary to use TQt3 in the same branch as the module you are building. |
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| charltonh | I'm using the gentoo overlay and the versions are 9999 |
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| SlavekB | Ok, that should be the master branch. |
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| SlavekB | Can you verify that the current TQt3 is built? |
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| charltonh | Ok I'm rebuilding it now. |
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| SlavekB | At the same time, you should build the current tdelibs before you build the tdebase. |
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| charltonh | I noticed tdelibs was recently updated, that must have been what broke it |
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| charltonh | I wonder if there's an easy way to update/rebuild the entire trinity source |
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| SlavekB | Unfortunately, I am not a Gentoo user and I do not know how such things are done there. |
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| charltonh | Ok I just rebuilt tqt, but kdesktop still doesn't compile |
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| charltonh | gonna try rebuilding tdelibs |
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| SlavekB | Yes, rebuild of tdelibs is a good idea. |
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| charltonh | Still broken: libkonq.so.4.2.0: undefined reference to 'TQVariant::TQVariant(bool, int)' |
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| SlavekB | TQVariant::TQVariant(bool, int) is definition valid for stable branch. |
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| SlavekB | In master branch is now TQVariant::TQVariant(bool) |
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| SlavekB | Are you sure there are no shuffled branches? |
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| SlavekB | By the way, what overlay do you use? |
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| charltonh | I just tried rebuilding libkonq, and now it's working! |
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| charltonh | I
think I'm doing something wrong. I have no layman overlay
for TDE. I have the Fat-Zer repo added to my portage tree. |
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| charltonh | Obviously some things are being updated, and other things aren't. |
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| SlavekB | Fat-Zer repo is old and no longer maintained. |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo |
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| charltonh | kicker is now compiling too. |
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| charltonh | I now have my desktop back! :-) |
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| charltonh | Thanks for being here SlavekB |
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| charltonh | Ok, gonna point to that new mirror and see if I can't determine what else got left behind and needs to be rebuilt |
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| charltonh | The gentoo wiki on Trinity is still saying Fat-Zer. |
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| SlavekB | I see. And the Fat-Zer repository on GitHub contains a link to this new repository :) |
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| BalooRJ | Hello,
I just found and started using Trinity Desktop and wanted to pop in and
say thanks to those who maintain development of it |
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| BalooRJ | Really great DE! |
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| BalooRJ | Does anyone know if there is a way for TDE to recognize font config files? |
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| BalooRJ | it's crazy how that one program could cause such a massive memory leak...must be a bug |
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| BalooRJ | Could
anyone tell me if Trinity Desktop's version of KAddressbook gets the
same downstream changes as the current version from KDE? |
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| BalooRJ | in
the GSoC there is someone working on adding support for Etesync in
particular to Kaddressbook that I would like to see implemented in TDE: https://thejollyblog.netlify.app/posts/KDE/gsoc-part-3-adding-etesync-addressbooks |
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| BalooRJ | right
now I'm using Kaddressbook in TDE with the regular CardDAV server
settings using Etesync-dav, but when I attempt to edit or delete any
contacts I get [412] Precondition failed. |
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| pitriss | BalooRJ: there is almost NO backports from original KDE/Plasma project |
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| BalooRJ | pitriss: Oh wow, that is good to know, thank you. |
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| pitriss | and
TBH I'm glad for it because Plasma is huge MESS.. crashes all around,
Plasma version of Kmail is just toy for kids and not production ready
tool |
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| pitriss | My
GF have plasma installed (Devuan Beowulf) and No, I would kick my rig
through closed window if I would be forced to use this thing on my rig |
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| BalooRJ | Hah.
I've never personally used KDE myself actually. I heard about TDE and
migrated from XFCE using the Chicago95 theme. TDE does everything I want
it to but I'm exploring some of these new programs that come with the
DE |
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| BalooRJ | Here for the Windows-esque look. I'm running Debian 11 Testing. |
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| pitriss | Here is most guys on debian/devuan. So we can advice in some extent (when time permits to do so :D) |
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| BalooRJ | Thanks
kindly. Basically I'm using Etesync-dav and Etesync with the regular
CardDAV and CalDAV sync in Kontact and Korganizer, Kaddressbook. I can
view all of the contacts and the information, but I get errors when I
attempt to modify or delete them. |
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| pitriss | I'm using baikal quite successfuly |
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| BalooRJ | I think one of my issues is that there is not a password field for the CardDAV server in Kontact |
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| pitriss | it will asks for it |
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| BalooRJ | ah ok it prompted me for the password |
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| pitriss | yes..:) |
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| BalooRJ | I'm able to read and view my contacts just fine, but getting errors when I attempt to edit any of them |
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| pitriss | I would switch cal/card dav service to verbose logging and check it for errors |
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| pitriss | Might be some incompatibility between formats |
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| pitriss | Knowing what is wrong is first step to fix |
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| BalooRJ | yeah, I'm communicating with the folks with #etesync as well to see if we can pinpoint the problem |
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| pitriss | great |
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| pitriss | I
guess Slavek and maybe even Michelle would be glad if we will be able
to at least address the issue on TGW so we know whats needed to fix |
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| BalooRJ | Thanks so much! |
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| pitriss | BalooRJ:
anyway, feel free to put here some rant about your caldav/carddav
status..:) Especially if there will be any work needed. |
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| BalooRJ | pitriss: A few stylistic questions if you happen to know the answers |
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| BalooRJ | One is I've noticed some non-TDE applications will show a different mouse icon than the default one set in TDE |
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| BalooRJ | for example I have a white mouse cursor set, but it changes to black when I'm hovering over a specific program |
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| BalooRJ | Another
is the news feed summary page in Kontact. Is there a reason why those
news feeds are separate from the RSS feeds I have loaded into Kontact as
well? |
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| BalooRJ | Just wanted to see if I could load them into the summary page without having to re-enter them all by hand |
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| pitriss | about cursors, you need to install some utility to change settings of older/different toolkits |
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| pitriss | And change them there |
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| BalooRJ | thanks, do you have a recommendation as to a utility that could do that? |
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| BalooRJ | Is there a way in Trinity Desktop to set the default web browser program for all programs including Qt ones? |
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| BalooRJ | I did set my preferred browser to something else in Preferred Programs but some programs still open Konqeror |
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| John15 | hi |
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| Aristide | Hello ! |
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| Aristide | Its possible to prevent recreate user folders when deleted (Documents, Audio, Video directory) in TDE ? |
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| Aristide | Because I mount this directory with sshfs (afuse + links) |
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| pitriss | BalooRJ: In debian change alternative for www-x-browser to something else you might like |
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| pitriss | errr x-www-browser |
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| pitriss | If you are not familiar with it, galternatives or hows it called worked with tdesudo for me |
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| Max93 | Good night, everyone. |
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| Max93 | I'm having trouble installing TDE on Ubuntu 20.04 |
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| Max93 | Can someone help me? |
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| Max93 | I follow the instructions on the TDE WIKI site, but Ubuntu 20.04 does not have an aptitude command. |
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| Max93 | 10 http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x ubuntu Release 404 Not Found [IP: 37.205.10.16 80] |
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| Max93 | E: Repository "http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x ubuntu Release" does not contain a Release file. |
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| Max93 | N:
Updating from this repository cannot be done in a secure way, so it is
disabled by default.N: for information about creating a repository and
user settings, see the apt-secure(8) help page. |
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| BalooRJ | Max93: How are you adding the repository |
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| BalooRJ | are you editing sources.list manual, or are you using software-propertes-gtk |
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| Max93 | I used the "Programs and updates" GUI to add a repository. |
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| Max93 | I checked that both repositories are checked in the Other SOFTWARE tab. |
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| Max93 | The source list file contains links to repositories, I checked. |
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| Max93 | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x ubuntu focal main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x ubuntu focal main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x ubuntu focal main deb-src |
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| Max93 | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x ubuntu focal maindeb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x ubuntu focal main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x ubuntu focal main deb-src |
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| Max93 | http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x ubuntu focal main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x ubuntu focal main |
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| BalooRJ | did you import the signing key? |
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| BalooRJ | hmm I wonder if the IP is down. I'm not anyone involved with hosting the Ubuntu repository though |
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| Max93 | >did you import the signing key? |
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| Max93 | Yes, I'm sure I did. |
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| Max93 | Maybe I should try to compile this from the source code? Is it difficult? |
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| BalooRJ | There are a lot of packages and programs in this DE...why not try one of the Live CDs? |
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| BalooRJ | though I'm not sure if your Ubuntu install is already very preconfigured or not |
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| Max93 | I just installed a clean Ubuntu 20.04. I didn't install any additional SOFTWARE. |
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| Max93 | I want to figure out how to compile DE from the source code myself, because then I want to try installing TDE on DilOS. |
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| BalooRJ | Ahhhh, good luck! |
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| BalooRJ | I
used the Debian repository a week or so ago to install TDE and it
worked fine. Maybe try from that first to determine how to build from
source? Or wait for one of the devs to come around. |
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| Max93 | Use the Debian repository. A good idea. Thank you for advice. |
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| Max93 | BalooRJ Although I'm not sure how to connect the Debian repositories. Although maybe I should just install a Debian. |
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| BalooRJ | I run debian and was able to install the packages fine. I use software-properties-gtk on Debian actually. |
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| BalooRJ | Max93: Hope you're able to accomplish it, would be cool to see TDE on other platforms like Illumos. |
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| Max93 | I am interested in making Illumos. and FreeBSD distributions with TDE, but I am not sure that I have the strength to do it. |
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| Max93 | Thanks for the help. I'll try Debian. See you soon. |
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| BalooRJ | good luck |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3103 filed by addammo@tiscali.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3103 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kdbusnotification-trinity. Slightly high cpu usage. |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3104 filed by addammo@tiscali.it. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3104 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Desktop and Konqueror icons. Control center. Icons: double size issue. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3102 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1362 from PATCHAVAIL to NEEDINFO. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1362 major, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, KMJobViewer crash into freeing from different threads by kjobviewer one |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3105 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3105 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Control centre crashes in Autostart Manager |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3106 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3106 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED INVALID, K3b integration present in Konqueror despite removing k3b |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3106 from NEW --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2994 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2994
normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, kmix does not shows
'Master' channel for output, only for input; alsamixer shows them
properly |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3105 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10jwstolarek@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 3105 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3102 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1362 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3107 filed by ggenellina@hotmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3107 critical, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, NEEDINFO , file contents lost using "save as" |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3108 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3108 trivial, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, KDCOP is missing application icon |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3109 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3109 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Can't pick KMenu entry when defining keyboard actions |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3110 filed by 1200deluxe@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3110 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, kmix slider mute control not changing kicker kmix icon to muted version |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3111 filed by gamrat.kristopher@gmail.com. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3111 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, transcode not available for K3b |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3107 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3112 filed by 1200deluxe@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3112 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , kmail 'accept forever' not accepting outdated cert 'forever' |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3113 filed by bartbojarski99@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3113 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , "My Computer" not translated in Polish |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2782 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2782 major, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, PATCHAVAIL , KMix expanding for true processing PuseAudio and master channel |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2783 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2783
major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, KMilo fixing and expanding to
control properly for sound level and brightness into generic monitor |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3110 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3052 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3052 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, KMix does not properly unmute sound in the presence of PulseAudio |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1567 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1567 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, screen stuck at max when using brightness buttons |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2640 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2640 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, Amarok doesn't play without pulseaudio, but no dependency on it |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 2902 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2902 minor, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, global shortcuts for volume not working |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3031 from ASSIGNED to NEW. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3031 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, NEW , TDE Alsa audio subsystem doesn’t work at all, unless Pulseaudio installed |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3108 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 1685 from NEW --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1685 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, Build issue: Cmake conversion did not migrate kttsd test from automake |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3114 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3114 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Expose DPMS controls in DCOP |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3115 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3115 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Using game controller does not prevent screensaver |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3116 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3116 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Watching vidoes in a web browser does not prevent screensaver |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3117 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3117 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Konqueror's tracking of changed files breaks repeatedly |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3118 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3118 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, TDESVN crashes on exit |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 537 from UNCONFIRMED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=537 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Update poppler-qt3 to mathch the latest poppler API |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 3111 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3119 filed by Rolf.Niepraschk@gmx.de. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3119 critical, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, OpenSUSE install: wrong checksums |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3120 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3120 blocker, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: tdepim ftbfs on Fedora 32 |
|---|
| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 3120 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3121 filed by albator78@libertysurf.fr. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3121 blocker, P5, ---, albator78, RESOLVED FIXED, Build issue: koffice ftbfs on Fedora 32 |
|---|
| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 3121 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10albator78@libertysurf.fr changed the Status on bug 3119 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10linux@zary.sk changed the Status on bug 2785 from NEW to PATCHAVAIL. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2785
normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, PATCHAVAIL , Let's encrypt certificates does
not work, DST Root CA X3 invalid (/etc/trinity/ksslcalist outdated?) |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3122 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3122 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, libr build attempts to write to the source directory |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3123 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3123 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, dolphin: library path to libr omitted resulting in build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3124 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3124 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, filelight: library path to libr omitted resulting in build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3125 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3125 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, kgtk-qt3: library path to libr omitted resulting in build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3126 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, tdeio-locate: library path to libr omitted resulting in build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3127 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3127 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, tde-style-qtcurve: library path to libr omitted resulting in build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3128 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3128 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, kaffeine build fails on missing gstreamer library paths |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3129 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3129 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, kpilot: library path to libr omitted resulting in build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3130 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3130 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, kmplayer: missing library paths causing build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3131 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3131 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, kbfx: library path to libr omitted resulting in build failure |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3132 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3132 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KGet deletes downloaded data |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 3122 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3133 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3133 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, TDEMacros.cmake: Add Support for Private Links and Fix LINGUAS Write to Source Tree |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3121 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10martin.hodges@getmail.no changed the Status on bug 1224 from NEW --- to RESOLVED WORKSFORME. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1224 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, REOPENED , Keyboard in English despite having chosen Spanish |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3134 filed by contact@philipashmore.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3134 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEEDINFO , Alt+Space no longer brings up the system menu |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3120 from PATCHAVAIL --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3128 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3134 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 1224 from RESOLVED WORKSFORME to REOPENED ---. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3123 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3135 filed by aneejit1@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3135 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, tdelibs: Missing library paths, libr issue in later builds, write to source directory |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 3135 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 3133 from NEW to NEEDINFO. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 3135 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3065 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3065 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Amarok 14.0.7 xine-engine FTBFS after xine-lib commit [10b404] |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3066 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3066 blocker, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Amarok 14.0.7 xine-engine FTBFS after xine-lib commit [73163a] |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3130 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 3133 from NEEDINFO --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3136 filed by giorgosk67@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3136 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED INVALID, Sound doesn't work. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3137 filed by mrmazda@earthlink.net. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3137 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [opensuse] TW - Warning: The GTK-TQt theme engine is not installed. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3136 from NEW --- to RESOLVED INVALID. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3138 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3138 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Add localization support for TDM Theme |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3139 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3139 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDEPowerSave information window doesn't fit on the screen |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3140 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3140 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDEPowerSave window displays accumulator information when there is none |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3141 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3141 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, "Apply" button in Panel Settings closes the window |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3142 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Spurious "Use BIOS settings" option in keyboard settings |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3143 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3143 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDERandRTray and screen settings report incorrect refresh rates |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3144 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 enhancement, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Redesign connection editing in TDENetworkManager |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3145 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3145 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Short connection name in TDENetworkManager not working as expected |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3146 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3146 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , TDENetworkManager tray menu does not used colours correctly |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3142 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10rom_as@oscada.org changed the Status on bug 2782 from RESOLVED FIXED to PATCHAVAIL ---. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3147 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3147 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , KMenuEdit messes up icon selection |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3118 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3148 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3148 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Incorrect DPMS times shown in TCC Monitor & Display |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3149 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3149 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Applying Monitor & Display settings causes and unpleasant visual glitch |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3150 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3150 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Incorrect font colour in GTK applications |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3151 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3151 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Amarok - glitch on Collection configuration tab |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3152 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3152 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Amarok spectrum analyser high CPU usage when idle |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3153 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3153 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Spurious xine error on Amarok startup |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3154 filed by linux@zary.sk. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3154 normal, P5, ---, michele.calgaro, RESOLVED FIXED, Holiday regions do not work |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3155 filed by jwstolarek@gmail.com. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3155 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED NOTOURPROBLEM, Playback speed too fast when starting/resuming play |
|---|
| tbottu | 10slavek.banko@axis.cz changed the Status on bug 134 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=134 needs packaging, P5, ---, kb9vqf, RESOLVED FIXED, Include Mathemagics |
|---|
| tbottu | 10jwstolarek@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 3155 from NEW --- to RESOLVED NOTOURPROBLEM. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3156 filed by c-man93@comcast.net. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3156 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Kontact has odd glitch embedding sliver of buttons into toolbar. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3157 filed by mail@arnerossius.de. |
|---|
| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3157 normal, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , Konqueror crashes when cut-pasting in tree view mode |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3120 from RESOLVED FIXED to REOPENED ---. |
|---|
| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3120 from REOPENED --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| tbottu | 10michele.calgaro@yahoo.it changed the Status on bug 3154 from NEW --- to RESOLVED FIXED. |
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| maxim50 | Good evening, everyone. I installed Debian instead of Ubuntu. |
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| maxim50 | I can't install the TDE. I get an error that the Debian does not contain an aptitude command. |
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| maxim50 | I
tried installing a binary TDE build on different distributions for
several years in a row. I've never been able to do it. I have the
impression that the author of the TDE does not care whether ordinary
users can do it or not. |
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| maxim50 | Otherwise,
the developers of Trinity, could make a working instruction for
installing TDE, although for the most popular distributions. |
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| BalooRJ | maxim50: Why not just use apt |
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| BalooRJ | or apt-get |
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| BalooRJ | instead of aptitude |
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| BalooRJ | aptitude |
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| maxim50 | I strictly follow the instructions on the site. |
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| maxim50 | Building
a dependency treeReading status information… DoneSome packages cannot
be installed. Maybe what you're asking for,it is not feasible, or you
are using an unstable version of the distribution, wherethe packages you
requested have not yet been created or removed from Incoming.The
following information may help you:The following packages |
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| maxim50 | have
unsatisfied dependencies:tde-trinity: Depends on: desktop-base-trinity
but it will not be installedE: errors Cannot be fixed: you have broken
packages fixed.root@user-pc:/home/user# |
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| BalooRJ | why not install aptitude then |
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| maxim50 | I'm
not sure I want to install this. I already thought about installing
this a few years ago. But I was advised against it. This is an outdated
utility. |
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| BalooRJ | troll... |
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| maxim23 | I'm
trying to install a aptitude through sudo. sudo won't accept
my password. I install appitude via su. The update command deletes
Gnome packages. It seems that the installation of TDE has started. Linux
is very exciting, huh. |
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| maxim13 | I installed the TDE on the Debian. I'm happy. |
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| maxim13 | But the funny thing is that Konqueror can't open it freenode.net. I use Firebox. |
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| BalooRJ | anyone know if there is a specific package on TDE for switching screen outputs |
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| BalooRJ | for example if I plug in a VGA cable |
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| BalooRJ | nevermind I found it the Screen Resize and Rotate |
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| SlavekB | You can use KRandR in system tray. |
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| invitado | ola |
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| BalooRJ | Is
there a way to prevent Konquerer's web browser from opening in default
programs? I had set in preferred programs the web browser I wanted but
some programs seem to ignore this and open Konqeror anyway which
sometimes causes issues |
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| pitriss | BalooRJ: x-www-browser set alternative to your prefered browser.. most apps should obey this |
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| golden-boy[m] | hey guys i am using devuan beowulf. which packages are needed to get the most minimal trinity desktop? |
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| SlavekB | Hi, tdebase-trinity and tdm-trinity |
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| golden-boy[m] | i tried tdebase-trinity but this gets me a lot of unneeded stuff |
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| golden-boy[m] | like tdewallet, proxy daemon, arts, spell checker, crypto settings, faxing, web browsing capabilities etc. |
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| SlavekB | you can use --no-install-recommends (with apt) / --without-recommends (with aptitude) |
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| golden-boy[m] | a bunch of services running in the background i dont understand |
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| golden-boy[m] | yes i tried that too |
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| golden-boy[m] | i basically only need the desktop, panel, and a few settings |
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| golden-boy[m] | and maybe the filemanager, but i can also replace that |
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| golden-boy[m] | i try to get the ressource usage as minimal as possible for my older notebooks |
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| BalooRJ | pitriss: For some reason some apps do not obey, for example (much as it pains me to use this program) Zoom does not obey |
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| BalooRJ | neither do some other appimages |
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| pitriss | regarding
appimages.. I never liked that idea.. ..anyway.. that isolation is not a
bug but feature or not? And some apps have internal settings or they
force use chrome etc.. |
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| pitriss | And
I'm not sure but maybe it would be good to check what framework are
those bad apps using and try to search if their native framework does
not have any mechanism to specify default browser |
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| BalooRJ | pitriss: Thanks, I'll check out what framework they are using |
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| BalooRJ | right now links in Libreoffice, Ripcord, and Zoom are using Konqueror by default |
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| mutantturkey | golden-boy[m]:
I typically intsall everytihng and don't run anything. I use konq,
kpdf, and kmail but i dont run the panel. that seems to work wlel for me |
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| golden-boy[m] | mutantturkey:
so how do you deal with all the services you dont need that run in the
backgound? some of them you cant disable in control center. |
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| pitriss | golden-boy[m]:
could you be more specific? what are these all services? I am aware of
dcop, dbus and maybe something else. But there is not much more
essential services that are running by default.. especially when you do
minimal install. So what processes you don't know how to disable? Arts -
sound settings and use alsa. Spell checker - I never used that and
never noticed any process from tde running |
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| CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | what is dcop and arts? |
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| golden-boy[m] | pitriss:
so far i have found these things i dont need or want in
tdebase-trinity: tdewallet (including the daemon), proxy scout, tde
print + cups, konquerors web-browser/web-functionalities, including java
or javascript, kded cookie jar module, crypto module (ssl, certificates
and so on), spell checker, faxing capabilites, arts, the whole network
stack/network functionality (i use terminal for that), dbus, |
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| golden-boy[m] | probably some of the KDED-features |
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| golden-boy[m] | there has to be another way to install a more minimal trinity than "tdebase-trinity" |
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| golden-boy[m] | i could probably just use jwm, icewm or something but trinity has the perfect look&feel for me :) |
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| pitriss | Silly question.. Did you tried to uninstall them one by one? Does they remove anything else than metapackage? |
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| BalooRJ | I'm curious to know if golden-boy found a solution to stripping some of the functions out of TDE as well |
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| BalooRJ | I also attempted to uninstall the games and it attempts to take out the entire meta-package as well with it |
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| BalooRJ | pitriss: Is there a way to uninstall some of the TDE components without uninstalling the tde metapackage as well? |
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| administrator_ | Привет!
У меня есть пара вопросов, касаемо TDE. К примеру, старый баг с
переключением клавиатуры (он ещё прослеживается, иногда не с первого
раза переключается раскладка с помощью сочетания клавишь). Ну и очень
хотелось бы видеть на |
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| administrator_ | Kernel: 4.19.0-9-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc |
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| administrator_ | v: 8.3.0 Desktop: Trinity R14.0.8 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf) |
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| administrator_ | Hello!
I have a couple of questions regarding TDE. For example, the old bug
with switching the keyboard (it can still be traced, sometimes the
layout is not switched the first time using the keyboard shortcut).
Well, I would really like to see the customization of the appearance of
GTK programs! And then crutches, of course, are good, but it would be
nice to see this setting in Trinity. |
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| administrator_ | Также
было бы неплохо починить Konqueror (в режиме веб-обозревателя не все
страницы отображает корректно, как пример, страница www.yandex.ru). И
извиняюсь за свой ужасный английский. |
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| administrator_ | It
would also be nice to fix Konqueror (in web browser mode, not all pages
are displayed correctly, as an example, the page www.yandex.ru). And
sorry for my awful english. |
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| pitriss | BalooRJ:
I guess not.. As point of metapackage is to depend of all
subcomponents.. so when some is missing then is logical to have not
installed metapackage also |
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| pitriss | BalooRJ: But needed to say. It is not harmful to uninstall metapackage |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
hello:) The following packages have unmet
dependencies: tdelibs-trinity : Depends: tdelibs-data-trinity
(>= 4:14.1.0~s463-0debian9.0.1+14) but 4:14.1.0~s429-0debian9.0.0+12
is installed //did i hit repo rebuild?:) |
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| SlavekB | Did you do apt-update? |
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| pitriss | yes |
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| SlavekB | What address do you use for repository? mirror.ppa...? |
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| pitriss | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-testing stretch deps main |
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| SlavekB | Hmm, it should be fully synchronized. |
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| pitriss | And yes I know I should dist-upgrade to Beowulf |
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| pitriss | I did apt-get install --reinstall tdelibs-data-trinity |
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| pitriss | and it worked |
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| SlavekB | did you do apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| pitriss | upgrade |
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| pitriss | I never do dist-upgrade until i want to do dist-upgrade |
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| SlavekB | That could be the key. |
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| pitriss | I like more control when it does upgrade.. As dist-upgrade sometimes does strange witchcraft with packages |
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| SlavekB | If
a new dependency was created there, this could be the reason why the
package does not update when using "upgrade" and needs "dist-upgrade". |
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| pitriss | this was IMO about package versions only.. not about deps |
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| SlavekB | If
you do not change the addresses in the sources, then the dist-upgrade
should be within the same version of the distribution => it should be
safe. |
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| SlavekB | apt-get
upgrade excludes a package from installation if it causes a new package
to be installed => when it requires a new package as its dependency. |
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| SlavekB | While apt-get dist-upgrade will install the necessary dependencies. |
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| denk | create a backup BE, then upgrade it, if something was wong just boot to the backup BE // solaris way |
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| denk | penguins did similar tools for it: https://moinakg.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/boot-environments-on-linux/ |
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| SlavekB | Anyway, another rebuild of tdelibs has just begun :) |
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| pitriss | denk:
hehe I know solaris way to do it.. I was paid for that.. But Devuan
doesn't have such possibility and opensolaris/BSDs are more conservative
and I don't have enough time and money to solve all possible HW related
issues.:( |
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| SlavekB | On Devuan you can use LVM and snapshots in LVM. |
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| pitriss | LVM
is unnecessary layer in system.. Another things that can broke.. I have
not much usage of that so I decided to not use it:) Original solaris
zfs is great.. but I'm not convinced about that ZfsOnLinux stability |
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| SlavekB | :D |
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| SlavekB | For
me, on the other hand, it is a very important thing, because I need to
have separate block devices (for example, for virtual machines) and not
"volumes" as file systems. |
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| pitriss | Yeah
when you have usage for it.. I don't mess with many VM at once any
longer and I'm not changing HDD layout often so no point in LVM here. |
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| pitriss | BTW dist upgrade passed through.. Minor hiccups appeared because of my Frankenbian OS but in the end.. It runs |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys, please where are stored all keyboard shotrcuts?
~/.trinity/share/config/khotkeysrc only? Or anywhere else? Because after
migration to beowulf, ctrl + t (new tab) stopped working in chromium
and maybe anywhere else.. I suspect conflict somewhere |
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| SlavekB | Khotkeys
is not the only place where keys can be stored - individual
applications can have their own global keyboard shortcuts, which are
stored in the configuration files of the respective applications.
However, these are active only when the application is running. |
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| pitriss | Guys
do you have any idea how to track down conflicting keyboard shortcuts?
As I can't figure out what is conflicting with Ctrl+T. I tried blank
profile and there it works. Blanking khotkeys config did not help.. Any
ideas except "start fresh profile"? |
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| BalooRJ | Would
anyone happen to know if there is a way to disable the web browser
function of Konqueror? Most of my programs seem to continue to open
links in Konqueror despite me setting my default browser to another
program |
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| selk | Hi there |
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| selk | That sounds like a bug to report.. |
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| selk | It would be good if you can add or include the steps to reproduce it. |
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| MicheleC | well, first I would check with program (TDE program or not) and what the settings for the specific mime type is |
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| MicheleC | @selk: good to see you around :-) |
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| selk | Thank you. Still busy.. :-) |
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| MicheleC | eh eh we all are ;-) |
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| MicheleC | have a great day |
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| selk | U2! |
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| pitriss | BalooRJ: try xdg-settings set default-web-browser <chromium.desktop file> |
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| z88 | Anyone here with access to the mail lists |
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| SlavekB | Any problem we can help with? |
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| z88 | Yes. I
posted to one of the lists, it never showed up. I went to
the mailing list web site, put in my info, it said that it would email a
confirmation to my email address, that never showed up. I
tried 3 more times, same result. The page says "if you are
having problems, contact us" with no info about how to contact "us". |
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| z88 | Thoughts? Suggestions? |
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| SlavekB | I don't see any pending mail on the mail server. |
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| SlavekB | Any part of the email address? |
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| z88 | I guess it deleted me entirely ;-( |
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| SlavekB | What address are you trying to subscribe? |
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| z88 | zlists@ns.sympatico.ca |
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| SlavekB | I see an address successfully subscribed in tde-users. |
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| SlavekB | Also in tde-devels. |
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| SlavekB | ...and tde-annoncements. |
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| z88 | And
yet the email I sent yesterday to tde-users did not show up (or, at
least, I could not find it when I searched the archives). |
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| z88 | And when I go to https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/users.trinitydesktop.org/ |
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| z88 | and try to log in, it wants to confirm my email, but it never sends me anythiong. |
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| SlavekB | I do not see any mail in the log that would be received from such an address. |
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| z88 | Sep
15 14:03:25 jdiamond-mb sendmail[27260]: 08FH3PFe027260:
to=users@trinitydesktop.org, ctladdr=Jim.Diamond@acadiau.ca (1000/100),
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=34168,
relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (08FH3PLv027262
Message accepted for delivery)Sep 15 14:03:27 jdiamond-mb sm-mta[27264]:
08FH3PLv027262: |
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| z88 | to=<users@trinitydesktop.org>,
delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=relay, pri=124330,
relay=smtp.office365.com [52.96.32.178], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK
<20200915170325.GB25865@jdiamond-mb.acadiau.ca>
[Hostname=YTXPR0101MB1616.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM]) |
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| SlavekB | Only posts successfully delivered to this address. |
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| z88 | Oops... that one was from the wrong userid. |
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| z88 | So I guess it was silently dropped. |
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| z88 | But
on to Q2: why, when I try to log in (using the zlists@... addr) does it
say it wants to verify my address and send me email, but I never see
anything? |
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| z88 | I suppose there may be some spam filter catching it somewhere, but if so I'm sort of dead in the water. |
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| SlavekB | I see an email from such an address, but yes, it was probably ignored. |
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| z88 | And that email addr gets email from a lot of other place (including mailing lists and so on) and it works. |
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| z88 | And
I have been receiving dozens of emails from the list recently, so if a
spam filter is eating emails, it seems to be picky about what it eats. |
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| SlavekB | Here is email from Postorius to your zlists... successfully delivered: |
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| SlavekB | stat=Sent (Message received: 20200916234642.PGCH6631.tr1spm11.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@mail.trinitydesktop.org) |
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| z88 | What was the time on that? |
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| SlavekB | Sep 16 23:46:43 (UTC) |
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| z88 | Thanks. I guess it is being filtered out somewhere, because it sure didn't get here. |
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| SlavekB | You can search for them by ID in the log of your mail server. |
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| z88 | I seem to be between a rock and a hard place, at least vis-a-vis logging in to manage my mailing list subscriptions. |
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| z88 | They
never got to my system. My ISP is excellent at ignoring
service requests having to do with email (or, at least, they always have
been in the past). |
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| z88 | Is there any way to tell https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/users.trinitydesktop.org/ to just let me in with my current password? |
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| SlavekB | I can probably manually mark your address as verified. |
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| z88 | Thanks, I would appreciate it. |
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| SlavekB | done |
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| z88 | (And if you said anything just before "I can probably manually..." I missed it, because I was summarily disconnected.) |
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| SlavekB | I waited until you rejoined. |
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| z88 | Thanks. And thanks, I got logged in. |
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| z88 | I appreciate you taking the time to do this. |
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| SlavekB | Do ordinary posts come to you properly? |
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| z88 | Yes, I've gotten dozens in the last couple of days |
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| z88 | grep -i trinity ~/.procmail/log | grep Sep | wc\ |
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| z88 | 270 1890 15343 |
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| z88 | grep
-i trinity ~/.procmail/log | grep Sep.16 | wc
61 427 3416 |
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| SlavekB | Nice. I don't even realize that there are so many of them :) |
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| z88 | Having said that, I'm assuming I'm getting them all. Perhaps there were 500 today ;-) |
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| z88 | There
are a lot. I used to only belong to the developer list (and
almost completely as a lurker), but with the new lists I joined the
users as well. There is a lot of chat there... |
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| SlavekB | Yes, devels list has been very quiet in recent weeks. |
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| z88 | I guess the users list is making up for it. |
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| SlavekB | While the users is very active :) |
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| hunter0one | I recently subscribed to get updates for the 1st time. Im glad (and thankful) to be using such an awesome DE =) |
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| z88 | hunter: you bet! |
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| z88 | Slavek, thanks again. I have to run, but I appreciate your help. |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| pitriss | Hi
all.. Slavek: Please is there any way how to debug/log what in TDE eats
keyboard shortcut? It is not mentioned anywhere in the global shortcut
list, it is not used by any running app.. Any idea how to make sure that
it is not bound to anything within TDE? |
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| pitriss | Or any way how to force clear that damn ctrl+t ? |
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| SlavekB | You can try to open the settings of some global keyboard shortcut and press the one that is mysterious. |
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| SlavekB | It should show a warning that such a key is already in use and information where. |
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| pitriss | Ok will try |
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| SlavekB | But it seems suspicious to me that something should be set with the global keyboard shortcut Ctrl + T. |
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| SlavekB | When you start Konqueror, does Ctrl + T work there? |
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| pitriss | No.. |
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| pitriss | It was fine prior dist upgrade to beowulf and now it is stuck somewhere.. On fresh profile it is okay.. No idea what changed |
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| pitriss | I
even tried to back up keyboard shortcuts profile and set there
something default.. Now i tried to switch it to TDE default.. No
change.. |
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| luke-jr | /usr/bin/iceauth: error in locking authority file /var/run/user/1000/ICEauthority |
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| luke-jr | is there a fix? :/ |
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| luke-jr | /var/run/user doesn't exist |
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| SlavekB | The /var/run/user/<UID> folders are usually handled by systemd. |
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| luke-jr | I don't use systemd crap |
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| SlavekB | The question is whether there is any equivalent for normal systems not using systemd. |
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| SlavekB | ...or whether it is necessary to set an environment variable to force a different location of the iceauthority file. |
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| BalooRJ | anyone know if Trinity Desktop works on POP OS? |
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| SlavekB | BalooRJ,
on the wiki page I read: "Pop!_OS is a free and open-source Linux
distribution, based upon Ubuntu...", so yes, there should be possible to
use packages for the corresponding Ubuntu version of the distribution. |
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| SlavekB | The current version is marked 20.04, so it corresponds to the name 'focal'. |
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| luke-jr | it has been brougth to my attention that TQt is the only file dialog where Ctrl-L doesn't work |
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| BalooRJ | is the KsCD package native to Trinity Desktop |
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| BalooRJ | or is it a fork of another program? It is very good and I would like to use it separately |
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| BalooRJ | SlavekB: Thank you! Just saw your response. I'll try to use the corresponding Ubuntu foir Focal in Pop OS |
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| SlavekB | BalooRJ, KsCD is part of tdemultimedia - deb package kscd-trinity |
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| BalooRJ | SlavekB: Got it, thank you! |
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| SlavekB | luke-jr,
what is the purpose of Ctrl+L in the file dialog? I'm trying it in a
file dialog in Palemoon and I don't see any reaction. |
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| luke-jr | SlavekB: setup to allow typing a path in the location area |
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| *** SlavekB changes topic to "#trinity-desktop Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.8 is out [https://bit.ly/2YchmzA]! Get it at https://www.trinitydesktop.org Also, consider joining the Trinity mailing lists [https://bit.ly/3jKkHh0]. Support the Project! [https://bit.ly/3jWwCst]" |
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| snowyfox | Hi everyone- |
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| snowyfox | Does anyone here do TDE development ? |
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| snowyfox | I have a question about the build system.. |
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| denk | don't ask to ask, just ask, somebody will reply you |
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| snowyfox | Back- |
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| snowyfox | I managed to compile something working with TDElibs with just a C++ compiler and Makefiles |
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| snowyfox | But KDevelop, and also the source of every TDE app, uses either automake or cmake |
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| snowyfox | So
I was wondering if using cmake was mandatory for getting a more
integrated app to work, or if in theory I could make an applet with just
Makefiles.. |
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| snowyfox | because,
for example, to create an applet, it needs to create an .la shared
library which goes in $TRINITY_BASE/lib/trinity, then a .desktop file in
$TRINITY_BASE/share/apps/kicker/applets |
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| snowyfox | I
can hardcode paths to get it working for me, but, maybe it won't
compile..? And if it did and I wanted to submit it for inclusion, then.. |
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| denk | hardcoded patches (or something else) are too hard for porting |
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| denk | you should define them as an external argument to the build system |
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| snowyfox | Mm! By hardcoded I mean using variables |
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| snowyfox | But, variables on a Makefile, probably won't do, is what I'm thinking.. only cmake and autoconf can portably build? |
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| denk | you can use it in a config file |
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| snowyfox | a makefile's kind of like a config file..! 1/3 |
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| snowyfox | I
could try to make the app read from a config file from runtime but I
don't think that makes sense for a Kicker applet, also it would've
already been compiled which solves the issue.. 2/3 |
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| snowyfox | I don't know how to make a Makefile read from other files though. 3/3 |
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| snowyfox | I'm not used to how building on C++ works, I don't have the mindset.. |
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| denk | take a cmake example and try to do the same |
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| snowyfox | I guess I have to do that.. I can probably get it working, cmake's files are a lot shorter and fewer than the autoconf ones |
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| snowyfox | But I was hoping that I could make an applet without cmake, since qmake is what I'm used to |
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| denk | if you want to integrate it into the main tree I guess you should do it using cmake |
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| denk | if I am not wrong |
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| snowyfox | Okay, thank you- |
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| denk | not at all |
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| snowyfox | Also, does Pearson come in this channel often..? |
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| denk | I don't know it, sorry |
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| snowyfox | Mm.. I should log on more often, then.. |
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| snowyfox | ok, I'm signing off now, stay safe everyone! |
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| *** SlavekB changes topic to "#trinity-desktop Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.9 is comming soon [https://bit.ly/3dhPRd9]! Get it at https://www.trinitydesktop.org Also, consider joining the Trinity mailing lists [https://bit.ly/3jKkHh0]. Support the Project! [https://bit.ly/3jWwCst]" |
| *** SlavekB changes topic to "Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.9 is comming soon [https://bit.ly/3dhPRd9]! Get it at https://www.trinitydesktop.org Also, consider joining the Trinity mailing lists [https://bit.ly/3jKkHh0]. Support the Project! [https://bit.ly/3jWwCst]" |
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| Aristide | Hello |
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| Aristide | I'm trying to change Kmail order sort (date) but not found |
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| Aristide | Mails are not sort in date from more old to more recent I want reverse that for ALL dirs by default |
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| Aristide | Mails are sort* |
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| Aristide | (Sorry my English is not very well ^^) |
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| SlavekB-axis | I
notice that emails coming from the fabulous Office 365 have some
problem interpreting the date - it's not displayed until the email is
open. Such emails are therefore incorrectly sorted. |
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| Aristide | SlavekB-axis: Email are get from a self hosted Dovecot server ^^ |
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| Aristide | The column « date » is in the « old → recent » order way by default |
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| SlavekB-axis | Yes, I also read emails from my server with dovecot. But there it depends on where the mail came from => who generated it. |
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| SlavekB-axis | And
here I notice that emails generated from Office 365 have something
weird because the date isn't displayed until I open the email. |
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| Aristide | Generated by any source (from kmail (tde and kf5), rainloop.... |
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| Aristide | ) |
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| OverLimit | ?
anyone here familiar with the exe gnu linux distro ? do they have a
channel ? looking for the default login password after shutting the
screen top the system auto locked and google is not helping trying
ddg.gg .. |
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| pitriss | I guess sudo is without pass there so alt+F1 and try sudo passwd username |
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| OverLimit | hmm .. lets try ;) |
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| OverLimit | multiple ttys active .. on 3 now asking for a login .. switching to 1 to see if it is useful |
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| OverLimit | all 6 are asking for login 7 is the gui ia m locked out of |
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| OverLimit | trying no pass |
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| OverLimit | sudo user no pass failed |
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| OverLimit | user user pass none and various attempts failed |
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| OverLimit | user is the real username |
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| OverLimit | is it possible that no password set will never let me log back in ? |
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| OverLimit | and i would have had to set the pass before locking |
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| OverLimit | good way to keep your system secure after setup when even the op cant get in |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | had
trouble trying to reset the password .. noob problems .. but figured a
solution .. used root to -d elete pass for user .. then user could make a
new one [half-SOLVED] would still be nice to know what the default user
pass was ;) |
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| OverLimit | pitriss ! thanks for the hints |
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| * OverLimit really like trinity a lot .. old knoppix user ;) almost feels like home .. minus all my custom stuff ;) |
| OverLimit | |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: i wanted to ask.. media control for kicker can control mpris based players? |
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| SlavekB | I can't confirm it for sure (I don't use it and I haven't looked at the code), but I doubt it's ready for mpris. |
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| pitriss | ok..
I decided to give a trz to deadbeef player and I would like to have
control on the panel.. and only sane interface looks like mpris plugin |
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| SlavekB | Yes, mpris seems to be an established interface. There are more places where I would like to add support for this interface. |
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| beies | Howdy!
Anyone know of plans to get TDE compiled/packaged for Ubuntu 20.10 on
arm64 (for raspberry pi)? The Debian arm64 builds don't install due to a
bunch of failed dependencies. |
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| SlavekB | Currently, ARM variants for Ubuntu are built only armhf and only for LTS versions of distributions. |
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| SlavekB | If there is enough interest, we can consider building other ARM variants for other versions of Ubuntu. |
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| beies | Right. I'm thinking it might be a good target given the new release. The RPI would run so much better with tde than full plasma. |
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| beies | If I want to give it a tr myself, are there automated build scripts to simplify a new target? |
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| SlavekB | You can take the source deb packages that are in the repository and build binary from them. |
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| BalooRJ | Will there be trinity desktop for Ubuntu 20.10 for AMD64 systems? |
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| OverLimit | there will if someone builds it |
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| OverLimit | think of this as an opportunity to learn how |
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| SlavekB | For Ubuntu 20.10 on amd64 and ppc64el package are already available - see R14.0.9 released this weekend. |
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| Aristide | So, time to upgrade :3 |
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| Aristide | SlavekB: So, the topic is outdated :p |
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| SlavekB | Sure,
the topic is out of date, because I have to wait and take advantage of
the weak moments when tbottu will not be connected here :) |
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| Aristide | \o/ |
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| Aristide | Hello ^^ |
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| Aristide | Updated ^^ |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, are you around? |
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| SlavekB | Hi Rojola |
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| Rojola | hi :) |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, First of all, thank you very, very much that you kept up the development of trinity desktop for so many years already! |
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| Rojola | SlavekB,
I just wanted to check in and ask, if you
know, if trinity desktop will be available in the future,
too? |
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| Rojola | every now and then I get a little panic attack, when thinking Trinity Desktop might be discontinued |
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| Rojola | do you think it will live for another 5-10 years? |
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| SlavekB | You could see that this year we have the 10th anniversary of the Trinity fork. |
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| Rojola | I know. |
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| Rojola | I was with you since day 1 |
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| Rojola | and trinity has been my only desktop ever since |
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| SlavekB | At
the same time, in the last two years, there have been many changes that
have been beneficial for improving development - TDE Gitea and TDE
Weblate. |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, everything seems to point towards a good future? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it seems to me that the condition of the project is good. |
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| Rojola | thank you SlavekB |
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| Rojola | that puts my mind at ease |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, one thing: Please: Please keep the ALT + F2 dialogue |
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| Rojola | it is one of the key features |
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| SlavekB | We
still have to complete the migration of some services and improve the
automation of the build process, but everything is progressing well. |
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| Rojola | SlavekB, A while ago, there was a distro with Trinity. |
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| Rojola | Is this still a thing? |
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| Rojola | I am always installing the server version of debian / ubuntu and then trinity on top |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I also normally use a minimal installation of Debian and then a Trinity installation. |
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| Rojola | good :) |
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| Rojola | thank you SlavekB |
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| Rojola | I wish you all the best |
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| Rojola | Thank you for developing trinity |
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| SlavekB | If you would like a LiveCD - there is Slax with Trinity. |
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| Rojola | a livecd might be interesting as I need to buy a new laptop |
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| BalooRJ | Rojola: There are a couple of distros with Trinity. |
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| Rojola | BalooRJ, hi :) |
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| Rojola | BalooRJ, I will google them |
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| SlavekB | Ubuntu LiveCD with Trinity is also available. |
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| Rojola | whoah, that's cool! |
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| * Rojola googles that |
| SlavekB | I expect to update it soon to include R14.0.9. |
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| Rojola | SlavekB,
even though I cannot help you with the programming, I want
you to know, that I tell everybody about trinity whenever it
comes to linux |
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| Rojola | I don't know if it helped. |
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| SlavekB | Great (Y) |
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| Rojola | but at least many more people know about it now :) |
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| SlavekB | If your native language is not English, you may be interested in translations - see TDE Weblate. |
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| Rojola | sure, translating is something I can do |
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| pitriss | I
wish for possibility to extend functionality of Alt+F2 with scripts..
Eg define some keyword and pass everything after keyword to script
assigned to this keyword |
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| pitriss | Or at least to have option to switch math engine in it into qalculate mode so it can do rates conversions etc |
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| pitriss | It
would be damn cool to just type eg 10 EUR = x USD and it would spit
correct value.. (this is plain qalculate syntax) |
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| pitriss | Because
it already can do simply math like 15 * 33 and it will do the math.. so
some advanced mode or at least possibility to add more functionality in
that would be really benefical I guess.. I can't code in C/C++ but I
guess I can handle few scripting languages so write some extensions
could be possible.. Like words translation from one language to
another.. or something.. I can think of plenty things it can do.. |
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| pitriss | Especially when it is so well known key shortcut so many people can benefit from more functionality there.. |
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| pitriss | And
yes it can become bloated quickly.. but when it would be just about
manual enabling/adding extensions, it would be purely by users choice..
so it is not an issue |
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| pitriss | and about live distro with Trinity.. Exegnu - Devuan with trinity live |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
for example, integration with Qalculate would have to be such that
Qalculate is not a forced dependency => so that these options are
only available if the user has installed Qalculate. |
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| pitriss | No systemD, no problem(s) :D |
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| pitriss | Yeah.. I wish to know how to implement that as I will have free December.. |
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| pitriss | Due to such interesting year, I had left whole holiday (19 days) so I was forced to use them :D |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
do you think it would be too much work to just do some config utility
for defining new extensions for that thing and adding some code to just
execute them? |
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| pitriss | I'm
ok even with plaintext config for now.. as there is IMO not too much
place for such long config to keep that tool cute and shiny |
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| pitriss | Anyway.. I would like to know hows that thing called.. Krunner? |
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| SlavekB | I
don't remember how the decision is now made whether the given string
will be evaluated as a mathematical expression or executed as command. |
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| pitriss | check for = |
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| pitriss | but now it is implemented somehow.. advanced functions could have keyword.. qa for example |
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| pitriss | so you can call even exrates command to refresh conversion rates |
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| pitriss | But I will be happy with any solution |
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| pitriss | But
in general, I think it is good idea to have open doors for involving
community.. As you never know when some creative guy with cool idea
stumble upon Trinity and provide us his creation.. |
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| pitriss | BTW
I found way how to switch behavior of XDG browser variable so I set up
there my script who checks for the address and if it match to known
video link, it opens it in the video player instead of browser.. Handy
with Youtube being more and more annoying each day |
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| pitriss | (at the moment 2 popups before video can even display.. that sign up thing and the accept tos thing) |
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| Rojola | pitriss, ALT + F2 is the holy grail of Trinity |
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| Rojola | pitriss, please, don't make it fancy |
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| Rojola | or only with the option to disable everything fancy about it |
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| Rojola | [x] fancy ALT + F2 stuff |
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| Rojola | ;-) |
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| pitriss | As
I stated before. It would be users choice to extend its functionality..
nothing forced.. But better math could be really cool I guess |
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| Rojola | yes, sure! |
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| Rojola | pitriss, the reason why I am concerned is KDE 4 |
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| Rojola | pitriss, the ALT + F2 dialogue in KDE 4 was so overloaded with features... |
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| Rojola | it got slow |
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| Rojola | and unusable for me |
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| Rojola | the ALT + F2 dialogue is 80% of why I want trinity |
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| administrator__ | Hello all! |
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| administrator__ | Hello! I'm not good with English. Google-translate also has ;). |
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| administrator__ | I'm
a user of your Trinity DE R14.0.8 desktop environment. I use the Debian
GNU/Linux. I have a few questions and a couple of sentences ;). |
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| administrator__ | So,
I really like your desktop environment, I even took a couple of notes
on it (www.vk.com/linuxsovet - look there). However, TDE has a lot of
translation errors, flaws and other nastiness that cuts : |
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| administrator__ | 1.
Error in the Kickoff menu. At the bottom of the "Оставить" menu is when
it should be "Выключить." It's an even grosser mistake when you go to
the menu. "Перегрузить компьютер" instead of "Перезагрузить компьютер",
"Усыпить на диск" instead of "Гибернация", "Усыпить на память" instead
of "Сон" ... The most rece |
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| administrator__ | nt
paragraph "Freeze" (my translation version is "Заморозить компьютер")
has not been translated. Watch the photo below (the desired highlighted
red rectangle). |
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| administrator__ | 1.1.
Again kickoff menu. Just look up - and at the top of the search bar.
Just look up - and at the top of the search bar. But there's nothing
translated! Horrible "Search" instead of "Поиск". |
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| administrator__ | |
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| administrator__ | I
was very saddened by the departure from qt 3 on qt 4. On the one hand,
when you did it, it was the right thing to do - you kept up with the
times. However, now it's not relevant for the company, as is the qt 3.
On the other hand, switching to qt 4 is a bad thing. After all, this
working environment is used only by oldfag. Yes, it is. And most
importantly. We go to Trinity Control Center --> "Внешний |
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| administrator__ |
вид и темы" -- > "Менеджер тем". There at the very top we will see a
link to download third-party themes for TDE ("Скачать новые темы").
This link leads to the www.trinity-look.org website. There's a few
problems: |
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| administrator__ | 1.
Some of the topics are present, some of the topics have been removed,
so the "Download" button is inactive and you can't download the theme.
Alas, Trinity-Look is dying. |
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| administrator__ | 2.
And a more global problem: the site is a qt3 theme. When as TDE for a
long time does not support them and it is necessary to look for the
theme of qt4 ... All the themes of icons, SplashScreens, etc. for TDE
are suitable, but the theme of the interface - no. Since you've switched
to qt4, why not put on trinity-look.org topics for qt4??? |
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| administrator__ | That's
all I wanted to tell you. Your TDE environment is very good, but there
are a lot of flaws and mistakes. The purpose of my letter, which you are
now reading, was not to offend you, the developers, but to point out
the mistakes, because I want to make Trinity Desktop Environment better.
If you read the letter to the end, thank you very much! |
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| OverLimit | <Rojola>
SlavekB, A while ago, there was a distro with Trinity. 20201103.0954:52
<> Is this still a thing? ## yes ! i am running the live version
of 2020 exegnu on another box and it seems stable for minimal use at
least |
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| OverLimit | was sleeping when they asked so missed telling them |
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| OverLimit | anyone feel free to reflow that if they show up again |
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| OverLimit | 20201103.0957:11
<SlavekB> If you would like a LiveCD - there is Slax with
Trinity. ## good to know .. that makes at least 2 distros with trinity
preinstalled .. |
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| OverLimit | 20201103.0957:55 <SlavekB> Ubuntu LiveCD with Trinity is also available. ## at least 3 distros ;) |
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| OverLimit | 20201103.1051:41
<pitriss> you never know when some creative guy with cool idea
stumble upon Trinity and provide us his creation.. ## ;) could be me ..
if i can find a way to get some time and place to do that .. kde 3.5 has
been my daily since 2007 .. so i am very much pleased to see it still
going in 2020 |
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| OverLimit | 20201103.1214:02
<Rojola> pitriss, ALT + F2 is the holy grail of Trinity ## /me
should look into that unknown to me feature on the other box |
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| OverLimit | |
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| SlavekB | Nice
- now I was looking to see if the problem with the functionality of
GitHub in PaleMooon 28.15 is solved and I happened to find that they
also use Gitea :) |
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| SlavekB | https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/Pale-Moon |
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| OverLimit | the exegnu live i686 cd uses palemoon 28.13.0 32 bit |
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| BalooRJ | SlavekB: Pale Moon switched to Gitea after Github basically trashed their website for browsers that don't use WebComponents |
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| BalooRJ | someone
attempted to develop an XPI add-on to make Github functional but
Microsoft immediately changed something in their coding and broke it not
too long afterwards |
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| BalooRJ | Pale Moon just switched to Gitea a week or two ago |
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| etwet | When I use TDM it is stuck in a login loop. It can't seem to start TDE. Both independently work fine |
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| etwet | well obviously not tdm but you know what i mean, both are functional besides the issue |
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| etwet | i installed with this |
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| etwet | https://scm.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo |
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| etwet | also, you guys should add the "r14-xdg-update" script in there |
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| guywhoneedshelp | anyone on? |
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| SlavekB | guywhoneedshelp, don't wait and ask. |
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| guywhoneedshelp | When
I use TDM it is stuck in a login loop. It can't seem to start TDE. Both
independently work finewell obviously not tdm but you know what i mean,
both are functional besides the issuei installed with thishttps://scm.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentooalso, you guys should add the "r14-xdg-update" script in there |
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| SlavekB | If there's anyone who can help you, you'll get an answer. If not, you will wait a while before anyone can answer. |
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| guywhoneedshelp | I disconnected last nite |
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| guywhoneedshelp | did anyone respond |
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| SlavekB | I'm not sure the absence of r14-xdg-update should be blocking logins. |
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| guywhoneedshelp | it has nothing to do with blocking logins |
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| guywhoneedshelp | but you cant startx without it |
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| guywhoneedshelp | but that was just another issue |
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| tilde2 | oops he is gone again .. doh |
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| ihaveissues | I am having issues emerging amarok. I tried removing the "**" from the accept_keywords but I am still having issues |
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| ihaveissues | https://termbin.com/6w2f |
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| ihaveissues | If you leave the "**" in I get a slot conflict |
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| ihaveissues | which i will post here in a second |
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| ihaveissues | https://termbin.com/5ypq |
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| tbottu | 10New TDE bug 3171 filed by l-sebastien@l-seb.fr. |
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| tbottu | 04Bug http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3171 major, P5, ---, kb9vqf, NEW , [khangman] Infinte loop during the loading of the settings |
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| mark_ | is it possible to switch off cursor blink in trinity? In Qt 3/4 you could do this in Trolltech.conf |
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| mark_ | just wondering if anyone knows how to switch of cursor blink in trinity? |
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| Space_Man | what is "cursor blink in trinity"? |
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| OverLimit | i
was guessing in the shell but i am running trinity on exelinux and the
cursor is not flashing in the terminal window .. but it is at the login
prompts of ctrl-alt-f1 and 23456 |
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| OverLimit | oh he is gone .. but i figured it .. answer was an easy google find .. not sure how to make it blink again tho ;) |
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| OverLimit | #$ tput cnorm ## https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3759/how-to-stop-cursor-from-blinking https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/220330/hide-and-unhide-cursor-with-tput |
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| OverLimit | tput cvvis # gives you the block cursor |
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| agneli | I have a question please |
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| agneli | are the trinity desktop packages for armhf built with neon simd, please? |
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| SlavekB | When building packages, the compiler options are left as default in the distribution. |
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| SlavekB | Armhf
builds are available for Debian / Devuan, Raspbian and LTS versions of
Ubuntu. I haven't researched whether some of these distributions have
neon simd enabled by default. |
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| agneli | thanks |
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| agneli | I think they have :( |
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| agneli | firefox from debian crashes |
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| agneli | so I would expect same for devuan |
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| SlavekB | you can try Raspbian. |
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| agneli | u r right Sir, some of the pis does not have neon |
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| agneli | I will try devuan first anyway |
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| agneli | Thanks! |
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| SlavekB | Devuan is good choise. |
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| agneli | one more question though |
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| agneli | I just checked the sources for exegnulinux |
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| agneli | that is devuan based |
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| agneli | and there is nothig about any trinity repository |
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| agneli | yet I am getting updates |
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| agneli | is trinity already part of the devuan distro? :) |
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| SlavekB | No, ExeGNULinux use Trinity as a default desktop environment. |
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| SlavekB | If
there is not installed trinity-apt-archive package, you can check in
/etc/apt/sources.list file or /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory. |
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| agneli | yes, it reaches to your ppa |
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| agneli | it is probably configured somewhere else |
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| agneli | yeah, there is a tde.list file and you are there |
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| agneli | just to take a shortcut instead of rtfm: what I need to install to have minimal tdm and tde shell, please? :) |
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| SlavekB | You can select tdebase-trinity metapackage. |
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| SlavekB | ...or, if you want absolute minimum, you can select ksmserver-trinity, kdesktop-trinity and kicker-trinity :) |
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| agneli | I want the latter :) |
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| agneli | will that include tdm please? |
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| SlavekB | If you use tdebase-trinity, tdm-trinity package will be installed. |
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| SlavekB | When you prefer absolute minimum, tdm-trinity is one of packages you want to install :) |
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| agneli | and last questions does your code require neon for compilation if I would like to do this manually. please? |
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| agneli | Thank you SlavekB :) |
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| agneli | I will confirm back after few days if it is working ;) |
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| pitriss | agneli: Devuan beowulf here.. firefox is running stable here.. Only troublemaker here is Trinity GTK3 thingy |
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| pitriss | But yeah i am using ESR |
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| pitriss | As I hate those bloated things |
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| agneli | pitriss: what is your hw please? |
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| agneli | I am talking armhf without neon simd extentions... |
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| pitriss | One machine is Pi4 and second machine is first gen i7 both runs stable without an issue |
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| pitriss | rPi4 8GB model to be more specific |
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| agneli | pi4 nas neon already :( |
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| agneli | i am too shitty for your noble specs :) :) :) |
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| agneli | but anyway thank you for your kind will to help |
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| pitriss | you can ask on #debianarm-port if their debian/devuan images are built for your board.. They have even 64bit image for devuan. |
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| agneli | I thinki every Pi since 2 supports neon |
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| agneli | yes :) thank you :) |
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| pitriss | These guys are really nice and cool and interested in plenty of SBC boards |
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| agneli | :) |
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| agneli | one more question please |
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| agneli | I am strugling to understand |
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| agneli | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions#Install_Trinity |
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| agneli | deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/deb/trinity-r14.0.x beowulf main |
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| agneli | whis is what I shall add, correct? |
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| agneli | I am getting not found in return... |
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| pitriss | Can't say.. I'm brave enough to use preliminary testing build :D |
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| SlavekB | for stable realease you need two lines - in addition to listed above you need also trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x |
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| agneli | I have it |
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| agneli | both are giving me 404 |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
maybe there is missing armfh on stable for beowulf? I think we
discussed something like that when I was installing this rPi |
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| agneli | no |
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| SlavekB | 'x' at the end is not as placeholder, but simple character 'x' |
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| agneli | it was my fault :) |
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| pitriss | agneli: try debian codename instead of devuans one |
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| agneli | excuse me |
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| SlavekB | ach, pitriss, good point |
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| agneli | I have eaten one part |
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| SlavekB | uff, all other architectures are published - ppc64el, arm64, armhf, armel. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: Am I correct that there are no devuan codename bindings, right? |
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| SlavekB | now it is possible to use Devuan codenames. |
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| pitriss | ah okay.. I think it is quite "recent" change |
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| agneli | it works with devuan |
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| agneli | my bad... after long struggle with the computer my eyes are tired already |
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| agneli | Get:3 http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x beowulf InRelease [12.0 kB] |
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| agneli | Get:4 http://ftp.fau.de/trinity/deb/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.x beowulf/main armhf Packages [20.9 kB] |
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| SlavekB | yes, it is starting from final R14.0.9. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
ahh.. I stopped keeping pace with stable releases as all my
instalations are PTBs already.. There are no bugs anyway, so why not
take benefit from fresh bugfixes |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| agneli | SlavekB: installing those "bare minimum" packages I need to let them pull whatever they want? |
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| agneli | :( |
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| SlavekB | I usually use preliminary stable builds because it gives me a good position between stable and testing :) |
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| pitriss | Only thing is bad.. to get unified look across most framewors.. :/ But this is not exactly Trinity to blame.. |
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| pitriss | GTK3 is PITA from head to toes.. Their constantly incompatible theming versions.. No workaround for this.. |
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| SlavekB | agneli, be sure to use --no-install-recommends (for apt) or --without-recommends (for aptitude). |
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| pitriss | > cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00recommends |
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| pitriss | APT::Install-Recommends "0"; |
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| pitriss | APT::Install-Suggests "0"; |
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| pitriss | :)) better solution:) |
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| pitriss | Must have for me on all recent debian/devuan machines |
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| denk | hey, experts, do you know how to skip building udebs? |
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| agneli | that I never knew :) |
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| agneli | great thank you |
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| denk | at this moment we mark them as linux-any to avoid building them |
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| pitriss | denk: I never built whole debian from sources so I can't help here.. I am not Gentooleman :) |
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| pitriss | I tried LFS twice... successfuly but without Apt |
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| denk | penguins... :) |
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| denk | really, we need a solution |
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| SlavekB | You can drop from debian/control lines: |
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| SlavekB | XC-Package-Type: udeb |
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| denk | preferable via debhelper |
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| agneli | it seems to be working... for now ;) |
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| pitriss | agneli: glad to hear.. |
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| agneli | however 0,5GiB RAM seems not optimal... |
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| pitriss | LOL for browsing web of course.. all browsers are bloated as hell these times. I gave up battle with that |
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| pitriss | I have one wet dream.. Alternative rendering cores for konqueror (ideally on per site basis) |
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| agneli | lynx? |
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| pitriss | I mean graphic web browsing.. I wish for something with css/js without those web raytracing things etc |
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| agneli | just get rid of bloody google spyware and it will be fine ;) |
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| agneli | I was able to run web office 365 on a 2.1GHz single core 32bit laptop with 2GiB memory |
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| agneli | it worked just fine |
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| agneli | pitriss: you seem to be a really demandign power-user ;) |
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| pitriss | I was a webcoder back in the days of IE6 |
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| pitriss | And
I never thought that I would want those times back.. But sadly, yes..
It was cool period of time when only flash and microsoft were enemies of
the web |
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| pitriss | Now, with that stupid html5, builtin DRM and plenty of other BS chromium can eat 8gigs of ram in 10 minutes |
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| pitriss | Now you can't run mainstream browser without pulseaudio. (Debian/Devuan still have alsa enabled in both chromium and firefox) |
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| agneli | chromium can turn on your mic and send recordings to google... |
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| agneli | that eats up a lot of ram... yes ;) |
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| pitriss | And plenty of other not necessary things.. Fortunately I have no mic connected |
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| agneli | hehehe |
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| agneli | they you are not eligible for the class lawsuit money... |
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| pitriss | And on all laptops are webcams sabotaged by piece of paper and duct tape :D |
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| agneli | they are talking $5bn I think this is in Nevada high court |
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| agneli | for spying on users |
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| agneli | yes... for mic... you can always reverse the the speakers :D |
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| pitriss | No courts posibilities here in middle of nowhe ehem Europe |
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| agneli | anyway - I am on exegnulinux and I need to use some stub for firefox |
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| agneli | when I throw away the pulseaudio |
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| pitriss | Yeah you can.. but thats not so easy.. :) Easiest is spy intel users via AMT even while pc is turned off :DF |
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| pitriss | ESR seems fine.. |
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| agneli | so I think they are going communist way - the only option is pulseaudio |
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| agneli | whoever thinks otherwise must die... |
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| agneli | AMT up to core2duo is switchable via bios Sir :) |
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| pitriss | No way.. There is always BSD.. And they have native images for Pi4 :D |
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| agneli | pray fogive me: BSD? |
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| pitriss | And on BSDs only pain is dbus :D no Lennarts curses |
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| agneli | Blue Screen of Death? |
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| agneli | ach that BSD |
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| * agneli is an ignorant |
| pitriss | It is an viable option I guess. But I still didnt decided to get out of my comfort zone of devuan :D |
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| agneli | devuan is OK I guess :) |
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| pitriss | I will need to investigate if it can work with PINN bootloader for pi4 |
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| pitriss | So I can have OpenBSD on my multiboot pi4 |
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| agneli | :) |
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| pitriss | And while chatting here I managed to make QT5 look similar to Trinity.. Now I need to find plastique theme for the GTK |
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| agneli | :) |
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| pitriss | Grrr the heck is with those browser coders? Firefox is ignoring system colors, chromium the same.. |
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| MentorOne | Does
anyone have any experience with settin up multiple
monitors? I can do it but not as I am trying to
do. I don't want to mirror the screens and I don't want to
extend one monitor to the other. I want them both separate
monitors with their own size and all. |
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| Linuxoid85 | hello all! |
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| OverLimit | <agneli>
sources for exegnulinux <> devuan based <> nothing about
any trinity repository <> getting updates ## do they have their
own repo of it ? i use it .. seems to work ok on my hardware .. not sure
how to unlock the built in drives tho .. so cant write any work out
anywhere local .. |
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| OverLimit | part of the devuan distro? ## could be ? or maybe in the exe repo ? |
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| OverLimit | agneli ^ BSD is a type of os .. not linux .. not solaris .. not windows .. not ios .. bsd ;) |
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| OverLimit | MentorOne
? multiple monitors ? both separate monitors with their own size etc ?
## hmm .. not sure but a good q .. SlavekB might know |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
Hi, please could you look someday into kima code if there is any way to
display values from some user defined source? I would like to have rPi4
thermal values displayed but kima doesn't support it |
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| pitriss | There
is cpu temp propagated in /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp (output
looks like: 52095) but no luck in KIMA. GPU temp is via external
command vcgencmd measure_temp (output is: temp=50.0'C) |
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| pitriss | CPUfreq displays ok |
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| denk | btw, do it under __linux__ target, please |
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| denk | it is too hard to debug it on porting process |
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| denk | add #else #error unsupported platform #endif |
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| denk | or something like this |
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| pitriss | Bah
I just did some dirty hack.. As I don't need hddtemp on rPi4, I did 15
lines in ruby and emulated hddtemp... Works but some way of
customization would be lovely anyway.. |
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| pitriss | Just for fun: https://gist.github.com/Pitriss/6c7439e75024de60fe09af2a8f0766c0 |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: BTW superkaramba packages from opendesktop are unable to get via app.. It looks like URL changed to https://www.pling.com/s/Trinity/browse/cat/178/order/latest/ |
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| SlavekB | Pitriss,
it is possible that the change will be necessary for all such
downloaded content - I tried the wallpaper and it also does not load the
list. |
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| pitriss | Ok.. I just got the idea to create some monitoring karamba applet for the Pi4 |
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| SlavekB | Please, can you write it as an issue on the 'tde' module as such? |
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| pitriss | and noticed this |
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| pitriss | will try... I have no bookmarks yet here |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: should I invalidate link in bug report to prevent false linking by google crawler? |
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| SlavekB | you need to do it manually. |
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| pitriss | OK i replace http by h**p |
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| SlavekB | (Y) |
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| pitriss | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde/issues/39 |
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| SlavekB | great, thank you. |
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| pitriss | You're welcome :) |
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| pitriss | Slavek please what do i need to enable this: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kima/src/branch/master/src/sources/hwmonthermalsrc.cpp in kima? because it looks like on my pi4 it should work as it can be used to get cpu temp |
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| pitriss | cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/temp1_input |
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| pitriss | 50147 |
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| agneli | a question please: are there any precautions to be taken when compiling a kernel to use on a machine with tde, please? |
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| SlavekB | Agneli, as far as I know, there are no unusual requirements for building a kernel. |
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| agneli | yes please ignore |
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| agneli | once I stopped tdm my issues _seemingly_ disapeared |
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| agneli | but that turned out to be a wrong assumption after some time |
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| agneli | btw the stable build works great for me |
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| agneli | I am on devuan beowulf armhf |
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| agneli | it is tegra 2 (no NEON) |
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| agneli | I do have an issue though, I did not deliberately changed anything yet my tdm bacground stays afer login as my desktop bacground |
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| agneli | desktop background was never changed, it is your standard stripes blue one |
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| agneli | which I like a lot :) |
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| agneli | and if a schema for the Konsole has transparency turned on display is screwed |
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| agneli | whatever is printed on the Konsole stays there forever |
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| agneli | what have I screwed, please? :) any ideas? |
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| agneli | I did not notice any other issues... |
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| OverLimit | hey |
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| agneli | hello :) |
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| agneli | I have no sound, kmix complains on the lack of libtdeinit_kmix.so |
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| agneli | what package shall I instal please? internet is not very helpful about it... at least not ddg |
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| denk | desktop% apt-file search libtdeinit_kmix.so |
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| denk | kmix-trinity: /usr/lib/amd64/libtdeinit_kmix.so |
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| agneli | apt-file, thix |
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| agneli | issue is I have kmix-trinity installed |
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| agneli | I think I have alsa screwed, nothing to do with tde |
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| agneli | OK I have sound and I have this file: /opt/trinity/lib/libtdeinit_kmix.so |
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| agneli | yet kmix does not want to start and complains that the above file is missing... |
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| SlavekB-pine | did you reboot after installing kmix? Or run: ldconfig |
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| agneli | SlavekB: yes I did reboot few times since I installed kmix |
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| agneli | I did no run ldconfig |
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| pluto2020 | anybody here? |
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| pluto2020 | Maybe I'll just ask my question...so somebody might see it later: |
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| pluto2020 | It's a keyboard-shortcut-problem (again) |
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| pluto2020 | In trinity, Alt+Mouse-Drag will move the window-position |
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| pluto2020 | however, the Alt-Modifier is used in many 3D-programs to rotate in 3D-space |
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| SlavekB | For this reason, I usually change the settings from Alt to Win. |
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| pluto2020 | HOW? =-O |
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| pluto2020 | I'm in the keyboard-settings-menu right-now |
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| pluto2020 | this key-combination is not listed |
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| pluto2020 | When I change to the tab "special keys", the page reads: |
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| SlavekB | In Trinity Control Center / Desktop / Windows behaviour. |
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| pluto2020 | THANK YOU! |
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| pluto2020 | I changed Meta to pop-out the start-menu |
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| pluto2020 | in the keyboard-shortcuts-section |
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| pluto2020 | it seems this overrides the special-key in window-behavior |
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| pluto2020 | (...it's not a pity...by the way) |
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| SlavekB | I set Meta as a modifier for these window actions. It seems appropriate to me - window actions => window key :) |
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| pluto2020 | there
are two window-keys. I think for this, the right one was better.
However, this one did nothing before...now it pops out the context-menu |
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| pluto2020 | context-menu key does nothing now |
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| pluto2020 | no..wrong ...it does the same |
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| pluto2020 | pops-out the context-menu |
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| pluto2020 | Anyway...thank you. That was quick help! |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| OverLimit | youre lucky he is awake ;) |
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| OverLimit | make sure you look for help around the same time every day ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| pluto2020 | oh..I didn't even think about it...:-/ Its 5 pm here |
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| OverLimit | most
of the world wakes up at least once a day ;) so your good irc logic to
just ask was the correct plan .. ask and wait .. dont ask to ask ;) |
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| OverLimit | most people just never wait long enuf .. |
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| pluto2020 | :-[ allright thank you |
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| tilde2 | [SOLVED] |
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| tilde2 | |
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| * tilde2 should change my quit message to [SOLVED] ;) |
| tilde2 | |
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| OverLimit | except .. you never quit ;) |
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| tilde2 | lol |
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| micheleC | test |
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| hunter0one | I
apologize for coming here a few days ago saying "Hello!" and then
leaving suddenly; I was having a problem with notifications not playing
and I was going to say something but I found out what the problem was. I
feel like an idiot because it turned out that I had no sounds selected
which is why it wouldn't play any, lol! =) |
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| pitriss | hunter0one: hi. Important is that you figured it out |
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| hunter0one | Hi!
Yeah I'm so glad I figured it out. I was checking arTs and it was
working so I was utterly confused, but it was that simple! Lol |
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| pitriss | hunter0one:
It is not so difficult.. I like Trinity for how light and complete it
is.. I run it at the moment even on Raspberry Pi4 and it runs smooth |
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| hunter0one | pitriss: Agreed, Im so glad I stumbled across Trinity, it runs smooth on everything Ive tried too |
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| hunter0one | Ive been hooked on it since I first tried it about 2 years ago |
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| pitriss | It was for me just only option when kde3.5 support ended.. There is no other sane DE |
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| hunter0one | My first time using Linux was in 2016, so I never experienced it back then but Im glad to experience it now |
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| pitriss | I am on linux exclusively for 14 years.. |
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| hunter0one | Thats awesome. Ive only been using it exclusively for 2 years now |
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| denk | Dec
10 11:38:36 home-srv genunix: [ID 269049 kern.notice] NOTICE:
kmail[80262] attempt to execute non-executable data at 0x30980f0 by uid
1000 |
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| denk | just for info :) |
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| denk | and nobody knows how to reproduce it |
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| denk | that is the main problem |
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| OverLimit | denk ? who generated it to start ? you ? or ??? |
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| OverLimit | also .. they think an error in kmail is a flaw in trinity ? |
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| denk | OverLimit:
I don't know where the problem is, in kmail or in a library which kmail
uses, I have no time to debug it at this moment |
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| denk | I saw many other issues exactly in kmail |
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| OverLimit | <denk>
don't know where the problem ## me either .. but it sounds like a
problem with kmail not trinity .. so ? which distro and hardware are you
using to run trinity ? |
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| denk | DilOS, in a non-global zone |
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| denk | OverLimit: to be clear, it is an illumos based system aka SunOS |
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| tilde2 | denk: cool .. i have tryed those sun and illum .. long ago .. will check out dil if i get some time ;) |
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| Rojola | hi |
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| Rojola | Please help me :) |
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| Rojola | about 2 years ago, I assigned a custom shortcut to a custom script |
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| Rojola | how can I find out, what script my command runs? |
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| Rojola | I know what it does, but I lost the script. |
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| Rojola | it must be on the computer, because I can run it with the shortcut |
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| Rojola | it's an F-key on my keyboard |
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| OverLimit | hey |
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| Rojola | hi OverLimit |
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| OverLimit | interesting puzzle |
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| Rojola | OverLimit, I believe to recall how I did it, though |
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| Rojola | I created a custom bash script. |
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| OverLimit | youre making me want to press my F-keys |
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| Rojola | then I placed the custom bash script inside the TDE-menu |
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| Rojola | and then I assigned a shortcut inside the menu |
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| OverLimit | and that some times does not end well when you have forgotten waht is on them ;) |
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| OverLimit | ok |
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| OverLimit | all those things are likely text files you can look at |
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| OverLimit | and even if they are binary youc an use hexedit or similar to scan the content and look for the strings hat call your scripts |
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| Rojola | yes, it is a text file for sure |
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| Rojola | but I cannot find it! |
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| OverLimit | can you tell me any of the words of anything involved with any of those steps ? |
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| Rojola | cat |
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| Rojola | I used "cat >>" to add something to a text file |
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| Rojola | I already ran: grep "cat" -R /usr/local/bin |
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| OverLimit | do it to the entire filesystem .. but like this .. |
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| OverLimit | grep 'cat >>' -R / |
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| OverLimit | oh wait |
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| OverLimit | sudo grep 'cat >>' -R / |
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| Rojola | OverLimit, I have a 10-year-old laptop... grep on the entire file system is evil. |
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| OverLimit | oh wait ya |
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| Rojola | maybe I should limit it to *.sh files? |
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| Rojola | and only to ascii ? |
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| OverLimit | dang /proc bugs ;) |
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| OverLimit | do it on your home directory |
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| OverLimit | its liekly in there in your prefs etc |
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| Rojola | ok |
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| Rojola | it will take time, though |
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| OverLimit | sure |
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| Rojola | thank you OverLimit |
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| * OverLimit crosses their digital fingers |
| OverLimit | ps .. the single quotes are important .. dont use double .. it might not work |
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| OverLimit | |
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| Rojola | I found it! |
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| Rojola | I had to grep for "kdialog" |
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| Rojola | that's how I opened the dialogue box |
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| Rojola | thank you OverLimit |
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| OverLimit | [SOLVED] ;) |
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| tilde2 | ooo .. clever quit message ;) |
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| blu256 | Hello
everyone! I have managed to make KlamAV (a KDE3 frontend for ClamAV)
work with TDE and was wondering whether this program could possibly be a
part of the Trinity project. It's a useful KDE3 program which would be a
shame to leave to die. Besides, there are really very few Linux
frontends for this antivirus utiliy. What do you think? |
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| MicheleC | KlamAV, I used to use it many many years ago |
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| MicheleC | that is a good suggestion |
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| MicheleC | good to log an issue on TGW so we don't forget about it |
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| blu256 | Could I create a Gitea repo and upload the code there? |
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| MicheleC | that would be even better (y) |
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| blu256 | Okay, doing it now :) |
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| MicheleC | try to create a repo. if you don't have permissions, let us know and we can fix that |
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| blu256 | Well, it does not let me... |
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| MicheleC | ok, let me have a look |
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| MicheleC | by
the way it would be good if the various commits to transform from kde
to tde applications were well separated. so first commit is initial
code, then qt-> tqt migration, then kde->tde and so on. You could
look at codeine commit history for an example |
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| blu256 | Well, didn't think about that at the time... |
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| blu256 | Sorry |
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| MicheleC | you should now be able to create up to 3 repos. If you need more in future, we can adjust the limit |
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| blu256 | Okay, thanks! |
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| MicheleC | the limit is there simply because of VPS space limitation, so we try to control that as long as we can :-) |
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| blu256 | I understand |
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| MicheleC | it
would be great and really appreciated if you could spend some time to
split commits. If you need more time to do that and upload later, it is
not an issue |
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| blu256 | Okay, I will do that and then upload the code (might take some time though) |
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| blu256 | Thank you for your help! |
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| MicheleC | np, thanks for contributing!!! |
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| blu256 | I have uploaded the code to Gitea with split commits. I hope I've done it right. |
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| MicheleC | great thanks!! we will have a look and comment there if required |
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| blu256 | Okay! |
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| MicheleC | initial list of commit seems good, based on the commit messages |
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| MicheleC | obviously we will take a deeper look |
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| MicheleC | and probably convert to cmake as some point as well |
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| blu256 | And another thing... Wouldn't we have to call it sth like 'Trinity KlamAV' to distinguish it from the original? |
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| MicheleC | yes, probably. |
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| MicheleC | let us have a look at it (at some point) and we can decide what to do on the name later |
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| MicheleC | would be good to have this in R14.0.10 release! |
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| blu256 | Yes, of course it would :) |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| MicheleC | thanks for the good effort!! |
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| blu256 | Please excuse me for any blunders in the commits - I'm still learning |
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| MicheleC | no problem! keep up the good effort and welcome to contribute more if you wish ;-) |
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| blu256 | I might try porting another KDE3 program in the future |
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| MicheleC | great!! we are looking at adding more apps, so that would fit nice into it! |
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| denk | blu256: you have not seen my errors in the repo :) |
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| denk | they fixed them all |
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| MicheleC | we work as a team, we all can help out each other :-) |
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| blu256 | Well, I'd really like to contribute more to Trinity because I really like TDE and I use it daily :) |
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| blu256 | Okay, let me know about issues with KlamAV |
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| MicheleC | (Y) (y) (y) |
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| MicheleC | welcome to the team!!! :-) |
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| blu256 | Thanks! |
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| OverLimit | hmm .. interesting .. i am curious why tde is so different from kde that these .. conversions .. are needed ? |
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| OverLimit | i
do not do a lot of compile work so can not imagine a fork needing
changes .. unless it starts to become unlike the original fork ? |
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| OverLimit | s/fork/apps for a fork/ |
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| OverLimit | not sure what i am asking really |
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| OverLimit | ps .. go team tde ! ;) |
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| OverLimit | so
for example .. if i replaced kde with current tde in the old system i
like that uses kde 3.5+ .. what kind of problems will i find ? |
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| Naglfar | hi |
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| Naglfar | I have this error |
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| Naglfar | deviceman.cc:347:27: error: variable has incomplete type 'snd_seq_client_info_t' (aka '_snd_seq_client_info') |
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| Naglfar | trying to build against alsa-lib-1.2.2 |
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| tilde2 | hi |
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| Naglfar | hi tilde2 |
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| snowyfox | Naglfar Sorry, I can't help much since I'm not a TDE developer.. |
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| snowyfox | But, |
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| snowyfox | I'm on Debian stable, I just looked in /usr/include/alsa for that type |
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| snowyfox | snd_seq_client_info_t is defined as an alias of _snd_seq_client_info |
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| snowyfox | But indeed the latter isn't defined anywhere in /usr/include/alsa, it's only referenced in that typedef.. |
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| snowyfox | Maybe an older version of libalsa had it and it's gone now..? |
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| snowyfox | There is a definition of snd_seq_client_info in /usr/include/alsa/sound/asequencer.h |
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| snowyfox | I don't think you can temporarily try to regex replace all references though.. |
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| snowyfox | Are you sure it was 'deviceman.cc' rather than 'deviceman.cpp'..? |
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| snowyfox | https://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/tree/libtdemid/deviceman.cpp |
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| snowyfox | But
maybe I don't understand things, maybe the linker is able to resolve
the reference but it needs to include a library or something.. |
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| * OverLimit * Space_Man needs a timeout ? ;) |
| OverLimit | what you working on ? ;) |
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| tilde2 | s/timeout/znc/ ;) |
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| MicheleC | Merry Christmas everyine :-) |
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| denk | merry catholic christmas, our orthodox christmas will be in two weeks (at 7 of jan) |
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| MicheleC | ah ah. interesting. there is an orthodox christmas |
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| MicheleC | didn't know it |
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| denk | now you know it |
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| MicheleC | eh eh thanks |
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| denk | MicheleC: also we have "new year" and "old new year" :) |
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| MicheleC | wow. what's the "old new year" one? |
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| denk | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_New_Year |
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| MicheleC | (Y0 |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| tilde2 | learn a new thing every .. year ;) 20201225.0929:51 <denk> http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_New_Year |
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| tilde2 | i knew the xmas one and 2 weeks |
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| tilde2 | so um .. you guys got orthodox halloween too ? ;) nov 14 ? ;) |
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| tilde2 | |
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| tilde2 | first orthodox halloween 2021 nov 14 ;) orthodox all saints day 2021 nov 15 |
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| tilde2 | |
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| tilde2 | beware the orthodox ides of march .. 29 ;) |
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| tilde2 | man this is an awesome marketing idea ;) |
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| tilde2 | |
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| tilde2 | orthodox black friday ;) |
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| tilde2 | orthodox valentines feb 28 |
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| tilde2 | denk .. get on all this stuff .. youll be super rich ;) |
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| tilde2 | |
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| denk | I do not celebrate that all |
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| tilde2 | well of course not .. they dont exist .. i just made them all up now ;) |
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| tilde2 | 20201225.1202:52 * denk ~denis@devel.tambov.ru :is messaging you, and you have umode +g. |
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| tilde2 | denk: //join #trinity-desktop-messages |
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| onmp314 | Hi |
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| OverLimit | |
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| onmp314 | Hello |
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| onmp314 | When compiling Trinity Desktop, I get an error that the file (?) libtqt-mt.so.3 is missing |
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| onmp314 | Shows cannot open shared objec |
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| denk | that means your linker cannot find the file |
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| denk | probably you forgot to add -L/path/to/the/library |
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| onmp314 | okay |
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| onmp314 | -L/home/onmp314/Downloads/main etc.? |
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| denk | something like this |
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| onmp314 | OK, I'll try and let you know. |
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| OverLimit | would be a library in his current system ? more like add -L/lib -L/usr/lib ? idk |
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| OverLimit | denk: ? ^ |
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| OverLimit | |
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| onmp314 | LIBDIR=/opt/trinity/lib? yes |
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| onmp314 | i'm compiling tqt3 |
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| denk | OverLimit: that was a basic answer |
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| denk | he should known where the library is installed |
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| onmp314 | I want to install Trinity on /opt/trinity. Give -L/opt/trinity/lib? |
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| denk | some parts of tqt3 require itself library to build |
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| denk | as a work around you can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the built library dir |
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| denk | usualy it happened when you build it manually |
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| onmp314 | I use Arch |
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| onmp314 | I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /opt/trinity/lib |
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| denk | show ls -l /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt-mt* |
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| onmp314 | zsh: no matches found: /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt-mt* |
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| denk | you got the answer |
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| denk | you have not installed it |
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| onmp314 | The first thing I compile is TQt3. |
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| onmp314 | I haven't compiled anything with Trinity before. |
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| denk | find it in lib directory |
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| onmp314 | not found |
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| onmp314 | Compile something before TQt3? |
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| OverLimit | #$ find / -iname "*libtqt*" 2>>/dev/null |
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| onmp314 | I'm found on lib folder |
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| denk | root of the fs is a wrong point to start, imho |
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| OverLimit | not if you have no idea where it is |
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| OverLimit | works for me fine |
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| denk | he said that he's building it |
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| OverLimit | so he does not have it at all ? |
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| denk | it means it should be in lib directory |
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| OverLimit | the source ? |
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| denk | I bet, it is |
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| onmp314 | libtqt-mt.so.3 is in the source code in the lib directory |
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| * denk turned off Vanga mode |
| OverLimit | LIBDIR={that path} ## ?? |
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| onmp314 | Yes |
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| OverLimit | and it still can not find what it needs ? |
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| onmp314 | And that's it |
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| denk | a hint: cd <tqt3dir>;LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PWD/lib make |
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| onmp314 | works |
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| denk | of course |
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| onmp314 | But I will stay because I expect more problems |
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| denk | you will have them :) |
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| tilde2 | lol |
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| onmp314 | Hi again! |
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| onmp314 | This time another problem: |
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| onmp314 | Unable to run moc! |
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| onmp314 | Qt are correctly installed? |
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| onmp314 | I will copy the exports alive to the terminal and see if it starts. |
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| onmp314 | Unfortunately, same error |
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| snowyfox | Just missing command, right..? |
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| snowyfox | Is moc in somewhere like /opt? |
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| snowyfox | Looking at IRC logs.. |
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| onmp314 | The compiler supposedly detects Qt3. |
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| snowyfox | But |
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| snowyfox | sorry, could you explain..? |
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| onmp314 | Qt3 is installed on / opt / trinity without /lib/qt3-3.3.8.d. Should I reinstall? |
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| snowyfox | I'm not sure what you mean by detects.. |
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| snowyfox | Does `qmake` work? |
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| snowyfox | the command |
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| snowyfox | You probably installed Qt3 correctly, but its binaries aren't included in your $PATH is what I suspect.. |
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| onmp314 | You
can't throw long texts here, but I'll say - I installed (with help) on /
opt / trinity, but without /lib/qt3-3.3.8.d (I don't know if it's good)
and when trying to compile tqtinterface it shows that not I have Qt3
installed. |
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| snowyfox | denk |
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| onmp314 | cmake command works |
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| onmp314 | Do I need to remove /opt/trinity and recompile Qt3? |
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| snowyfox | That's super overkill, I don't think you should try that yet.. |
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| snowyfox | If you look around the files in /opt/trinity and it seems like you have everything, including moc |
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| snowyfox | Then it's probably some configuration matters with your shell and IDE, rather than your installation |
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| snowyfox | And you're using cmake so it might be.. |
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| snowyfox | Have to wait until dev or OverLimit comes.. |
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| snowyfox | But don't uninstall /opt/trinity yet.. |
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| onmp314 | Okay, I'll reinstall Qt3. |
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| snowyfox | Okay I finally read https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#Building, I get what you mean now.. |
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| snowyfox | It is weird you didn't get qt3-3.3.8.d there |
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| snowyfox | Reinstalling will probably work, keep us updated ! |
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| onmp314 | I think this is an outdated manual... |
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| onmp314 | and replace --with-qt-dir --qtdir? |
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| snowyfox | That's probably what you should do, mm.. |
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| onmp314 | impossible |
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| snowyfox | ..eh.. |
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| snowyfox | --qtdir..? |
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| onmp314 | yes |
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| snowyfox | What command is that flag for? |
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| snowyfox | Cmake..? |
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| onmp314 | Unable to build Qt3 with CMake. |
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| snowyfox | I see that option --with-qt-dir below but that's for an autoconf configure script, I don't think it'd make sense for Cmake.. |
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| snowyfox | But you successfully installed with Cmake last time no? |
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| snowyfox | What does Cmake complain about? |
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| onmp314 | I haven't compiled in Cmake basically but I can use Cmake. |
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| snowyfox | Mm. Try to compile Qt3 again using Cmake.. |
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| onmp314 | Will ${PREFIX} replace ${QTDIR}? |
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| snowyfox | Uh.. no, they have to be separate. |
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| snowyfox | QTDIR has to be a subdirectory inside PREFIX |
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| snowyfox | ' /opt/trinity/lib/qt3 will probably work..! |
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| snowyfox | Or maybe even /opt/trinity/lib/tqt.. |
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| onmp314 | So do not change anything or change anything? |
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| snowyfox | Umm, you can follow the value for QTDIR like that page says, or you can set it to something different |
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| snowyfox | I don't know what the value is for my own Trinity installation, I can't check atm.. |
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| snowyfox | It's up to you, I'd... go for don't change anything. |
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| snowyfox | But make sure to do every export. |
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| onmp314 | I'll try to install TQt3 on $QTDIR and let you know. |
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| snowyfox | Ah I see now, that page |
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| snowyfox | explains an example build for any particular Trinity module.. |
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| snowyfox | It's not specifically instructions for installing Qt3.. |
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| snowyfox | Hunting now for some sort of manual for building Qt3 |
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| snowyfox | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity#Build_from_source |
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| snowyfox | I'm looking at Arch's and it says you could just walk into the tqt3 directory and makepkg |
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| snowyfox | If that even works, it installs Qt3 somewhere... |
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| snowyfox | Then once you find that somewhere, just set it as your QTDIR and adjust your path |
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| snowyfox | Then you can compile the rest of TDE |
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| onmp314 | PKGBUILD has not been changed since 2017/18. |
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| snowyfox | ..does that stop compilation..? |
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| snowyfox | I've never used Arch before.. |
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| snowyfox | I mean, does that stop building the tqt3 package.. |
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| snowyfox | onmp314 is it building ? |
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| snowyfox | They left.. |
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| snowyfox | Ah they're back ! |
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| snowyfox | or they didn't leave i'm silly.. |
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| onmp314 | Yes |
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| snowyfox | I'm going to log off soon; I'm sorry I couldn't help a lot..! |
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| snowyfox | But basically, you're doing an Arch-style build I think, |
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| snowyfox | the script is going to install Qt3 somewhere appropriate |
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| snowyfox | Or maybe you picked that location |
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| snowyfox | Just, once it's done, export QTDIR as that location |
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| snowyfox | And add that location/bin to your PATH |
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| snowyfox | Then you should have moc and qmake available |
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| snowyfox | If building didn't exit with an error, then Qt3 was installed *somewhere*, you just have to find it |
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| snowyfox | Good luck I hope that's the last major hurdle- |
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| OverLimit | woo hoo .. got knoppix 5.1.1 booted on this laptop finally |
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| OverLimit | now the fun part .. |
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| OverLimit | trying to put it into trinity mode ;) |
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| tilde2 | oh hey |
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| tilde2 | you missed some news ;) |
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| tilde2 | woo hoo .. got knoppix 5.1.1 booted on this laptop finally |
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| tilde2 | <> now the fun part .. |
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| tilde2 | <> trying to put it into trinity mode ;) |
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| snowyfox | Thanks~ I just opened the logs again..! |
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| snowyfox | weird that onmp314 left.. |
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| snowyfox | Knoppix+TDE sounds fancyっ |
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| tilde2 | <snowyfox> Have to wait until dev or OverLimit comes.. ## lol we have never compiled trinity .. yet .. but |
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| tilde2 | now that i have k511 going again .. i might try to compile it for that ;) |
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| snowyfox | I
want to develop for TDE but I have to figure out Cmake first.. I don't
know how to use it and I can't get its TQt and TDE macros to aim at the
right locations.. |
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| snowyfox | I wouldn't try compiling TDE if I couldn't even compile an app first.. |
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| snowyfox | There was someone here recently that was super friendly and knowledgeable, I wish I could be like them..! |
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| tilde2 | lol |
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| tilde2 | who was that ? |
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| tilde2 | im sure you can once you LEARN ALL THE THINGS ! ;) |
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| tilde2 | |
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| tilde2 | i know it is going to probably be a big challenge for me to get it going on knoppix |
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| tilde2 | but maybe i will be lucky |
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| tilde2 | my version is so old i cant see it going well ;) |
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| onmp314 | Hi again! |
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| onmp314 | Is it correctly installed Qt3? |
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| onmp314 | https://i.ibb.co/gRtvwKT/tqt3.png |
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| SlavekB | Hi Onmp314, if you want to build packages for TDE R14.x, you need TQt3, not the original Qt3. |
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| onmp314 | I mean TQt3. |
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| SlavekB | ok, i see the files match TQt3. |
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| onmp314 | Don't move lib files to qt3-3.3.8.d/lib folder? |
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| SlavekB | I'm surprised where the qt3-3.3.8.d directory comes from |
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| onmp314 | This was written in the guide |
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| onmp314 | Wouldn't you build it again in the tqt folder? |
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| SlavekB | What distribution are you building for? How old is that guide? |
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| onmp314 | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| onmp314 | The guide has probably not been modified since 3.5.1x |
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| SlavekB | Oh, yes, it probably hasn't been updated in a long time. |
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| onmp314 | PREFIX will replace QTDIR and LIBDIR will replace QTDIR/lib. |
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| onmp314 | Welcome again |
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| onmp314 | Can anyone help me with this? install FILES given no DESTINATION! |
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| onmp314 | string sub-command REGEX, mode REPLACE needs at least 6 arguments total to |
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| onmp314 | command. |
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| tilde2 | we woudl need to see the command that generated that error |
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| tilde2 | |
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| onmp314 | https://pastebin.com/wjBLngr3 |
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| onmp314 | logs |
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| onmp314 | @tilde2 Are you? |
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| onmp314 | Still waiting for an answer why I can't build tqca-trinity. |
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| OverLimit | lol no ? |
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| OverLimit | almost falling asleep |
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| OverLimit | someone will see that eventually |
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| OverLimit | onmp314: https://pastebin.com/wjBLngr3 |
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| OverLimit | |
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| tilde2 | too tired to look now |
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| tilde2 | i will check it out tomorrow maybe |
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| tilde2 | some day soon i will want to compile trinity for my system |
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| tilde2 | |
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| denk | the keyword is "maybe" |
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| onmp314 | Hi again! |
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| onmp314 | Coming back to the problem, has anyone seen these logs? |
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| onmp314 | https://i.ibb.co/YkWYz3b/error.png |
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| onmp314 | This problem |
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| onmp314 | They write on the internet to install pkg-config, there are no other solutions. :( |
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| denk | try to build tqca-tls |
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| onmp314 | Builded |
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| onmp314 | Skip tqca without tls? |
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| SlavekB | it seems that TQT_HEADERS_DIRS was not detected. |
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| SlavekB | Do you have pkg-config installed? |
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| SlavekB | what returns the call: pkg-config --variable=includedir tqt-mt |
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| onmp314 | blank |
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| SlavekB | This seems to be exactly the problem - empty is used as DESTINATION. |
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| onmp314 | I was able to configure tdelibs. |
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| SlavekB | Where are the include files for tqt3 installed? What is the value of includedir in tqt-mt.pc? |
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| onmp314 | opt/trinity/lib/tqt3 |
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| onmp314 | Hi again |
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| onmp314 | https://pastebin.com/d6iVrm2R |
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| onmp314 | https://pastebin.com/y9ENT0Er |
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| onmp314 | *tdebase |
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| onmp314 | I don't want to continue building TDE. |
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| OverLimit | denk: the keyword is "maybe" ## yes .. i knew?know i have a busy day today doing other things ;) |
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| OverLimit | and looks like op gave up .. glad i decided to wait ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| luke-jr | kcontrol doesn't work on Ubuntu - the applet list on the left is empty :/ |
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| SlavekB | Luke-jr is it on a remote console via a forwarded Xserver or in a local TDE session? |
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| luke-jr | no |
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| luke-jr | session is Plasma 5 |
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| luke-jr | running TDE kcontrol locally |
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| tilde2 | |
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| tilde2 | just took .../trinity/releases/3.5.11/kde_trinity_3_5_11.tar.bz |
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| tilde2 | ?
holy crap ? tde 3.5.11 is 1.3 gig ? uncompressed ? wow ? is this an
entire linux system ? compiler and everything i need to customize
trinity ? |
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| tilde2 | never tryed to change desktops manually before |
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| tilde2 | and to make it more difficult .. i run live in ram .. so im not sure how that will go |
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| SlavekB | $ du -h kde_trinity_3_5_11.tar.bz |
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| SlavekB | 639M kde_trinity_3_5_11.tar.bz |
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| tilde2 | yup |
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| tilde2 | thats the one |
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| SlavekB | You mean size after unpacking? |
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| tilde2 | well ya ;) ? are you the main dev for trinity ? |
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| tilde2 | or the main helper here ? ;) |
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| SlavekB | FYI: v3.5.13-sru$ du -chs * |
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| SlavekB | 2.9G main |
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| SlavekB | 289M packaging |
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| SlavekB | 4.0K Readme.md |
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| SlavekB | 40K scripts |
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| SlavekB | 3.2G total |
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| tilde2 | is that an entire linux distro ? |
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| SlavekB | no, only sources. |
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| tilde2 | how big is 14.0.9 ? |
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| SlavekB | r14.0.x$ LANG=C du -chs * |
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| SlavekB | 3.0G main |
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| SlavekB | 226M packaging |
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| SlavekB | 4.0K Readme.md |
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| SlavekB | 44K scripts |
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| SlavekB | 3.2G total |
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| tilde2 | hmm .. so the 3.5.11 i have is also only sources ? |
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| SlavekB | r14.0.x/main/core$ LANG=C du -chs * |
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| SlavekB | 20M tdeaccessibility |
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| SlavekB | 15M tdeaddons |
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| SlavekB | 9.2M tdeadmin |
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| SlavekB | 69M tdeartwork |
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| SlavekB | 104M tdebase |
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| SlavekB | 38M tdebindings |
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| SlavekB | 72M tdeedu |
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| SlavekB | 39M tdegames |
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| SlavekB | 39M tdegraphics |
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| SlavekB | 1.1G tde-i18n |
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| SlavekB | 91M tdelibs |
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| tilde2 | have
not looked at it yet kuz i run in ram with no external storage usually
so i need to take special care when operating on very large objects |
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| SlavekB | As you can see, tde-i18n alone has more than 1 GiB in the source code. |
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| tilde2 | i18n .. i remember those numbers .. from the long past .. what is that for ? |
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| SlavekB | internationalization |
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| tilde2 | games edu graphics .. looks like a full system ? |
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| SlavekB | translations for messages and documentation for 'core' modules. |
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| tilde2 | so if i do not need translations i can cut a gig out of my setup ? |
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| tilde2 | i need the default user password for exegnu 2020 trinity |
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| tilde2 | i keep forgetting to reset it before i shut the lid and lock the screen lol |
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| SlavekB | TDE
umbrella is very complex. It's not just a window manager, a session
manager, and a small number of native applications like LXDE, MATE,
XFCE, and so on. |
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| tilde2 | sure .. this is fine .. if all tools to create and customize are present .. that is a good thing |
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| tilde2 | i looked at the installation instructions .. very briefly .. complex may be an understatement ;) |
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| SlavekB | That's why the size of the source code is ... well, just big :) |
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| lostbuthereforhe | Hey I just wanted to ask if someone could tell me how to get the fist start setup guide window again (made some mistakes) |
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| SlavekB | Can kpersonalizer be what you are looking for? |
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| gettinghereforhe | Trying to run it crashed my laptop |
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| hunter0one | Does anyone here use a VPN connection with TDE network manager? If I try to set up a VPN connection, it shows no options. |
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| a-865 | where on the wiki are the mailing lists subscription instructions to be found??? |
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| a-865 | is https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/?sort=active all there is? |
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| SlavekB | Instructions are on the web: |
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| SlavekB | https://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php |
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| SlavekB | https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ |
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| a-865 | from any of the kitty archives I couldn't spot any link to available lists |
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| SlavekB | At the top of the Hyperkitty page is the Manage lists link. |
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| a-865 | I thought that was only about lists I was subscribed to |
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| a-865 | short list |
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| a-865 | do any of the archive pages have a link to https://www.trinitydesktop.org/mailinglist.php, so I can find it and point would be TDE users to it? |
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| a-865 | that's what I was actually looking for |
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| SlavekB | There is a Mailing lists link on the main website. |
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| a-865 | but not on any archive page or manage lists page that I can see |
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| a-865 | from any mailing list post, I click the list link, expecting that to link to a howto to copy and paste into a forum or list mail |
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| a-865 | most mailing lists used to have those |
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| tilde2 | |
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| tilde2 | happy new year .. http://youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw Do You Love Me? robots dance |
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| tilde2 | happy new year .. http://youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw Do You Love Me? robots dance |
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| MicheleC | Happy New Year to all! Still a bit early :-) |
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| denk | it will happen in utc+12 timezone in 1 hour and 30 minutes |
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| denk | and we can say "happy new year" 24 times! :) |
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| denk | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png |
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| denk | my TZ is UTC+3 |
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| OverLimit | denk:
no .. your clocks are a bit off .. and .. 27 times .. +14 to 1 0 1 to
-12 .. plus a bunch of half hour zones and some 15 and 20 minute and
maybe other strange offsets ;) about 44 last time i counted ;) |
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| OverLimit | utc+14 timezone in 2 hours .. utc+12 timezone in 4 hours .. |
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| OverLimit | and 5 minutes .. BEEP |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | /exec -o TZ=Pacific/Kiritimati date |
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| OverLimit | Thu Dec 31 21:56:07 +14 2020 |
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| OverLimit | Wed Dec 30 17:56:22 UTC 2020 |
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| OverLimit | Thu Dec 31 21:56:27 UTC 2020 |
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| OverLimit | Thu Dec 31 19:56:53 UTC 2020 |
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| OverLimit | 19:57 +1200 +1200 |
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| OverLimit | 20201231 195758 +1200 +1200 |
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| OverLimit | 2020 1231 195803 +1200 +1200 |
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| OverLimit | 2020 1231 075817 UTC +0000 |
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| OverLimit | 2020 1230 175836 -1400 -1400 |
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| OverLimit | 2020 1231 215843 +1400 +1400 |
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| OverLimit | 2020 1230 195851 -1200 -1200 |
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| OverLimit | 2020 1231 075902 +0000 +0000 |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | 27 times is better :) |
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| tilde2 | and 44 is even better ;) |
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| tilde2 | lets do it every 5 minutes to be sure we hit them all ! |
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| tilde2 | |
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| denk | do you have the health for 44 times? :) |
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| tilde2 | sure .. but i dont have the drug supply .. so i shoudl be ok |
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| tilde2 | |
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| OverLimit | /exec
-o tilny=$(( 1609408800 - $( date +%s ) )) ; echo " sleeping ${tilny}
seconds til new years start " ; sleep ${tilny} ; for each in $( seq -14
12 ) ; do echo -n " happy new year " ; TZ=UTC${each} date +" %Y %m%d
%H%M%S %Z %z " ; sleep 3600 ; done |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | sleeping 5691 seconds til new years start |
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| OverLimit | ## sleeping 5623 seconds til new years start # |
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| denk | to sleep is a good idea |
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| OverLimit | not now |
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| OverLimit | youll miss them ;) |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +1400 |
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| denk | sure? |
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| OverLimit | its a bot ;) |
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| OverLimit | so ya |
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| OverLimit | im sure |
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| OverLimit | ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | hey, bot, would you like to eat some swap for the new year? |
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| OverLimit | cant .. i boot noswap option ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | then take all his memory :) |
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| OverLimit | DDR4 ? |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | who knows, it's time to upgrade for ddr21 :) |
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| denk | guys, sorry for the spam |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +1300 |
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| denk | let's all bugs in new year will be easy! |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +1200 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +1100 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +1000 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0900 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0800 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0700 |
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| denk | it is in Krasnoyarsk, soon, very soon... |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0600 |
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| denk | Novosibirsk :) |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0500 |
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| denk | Ural |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0400 |
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| denk | Samara, Volgograd |
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| denk | we are next |
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| OverLimit | woot |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0300 |
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| denk | happy new year |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0200 |
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| SlavekB-pine | I have to be careful - it's very close to me :) |
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| OverLimit | careful ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | just jump when the line goes by and youll be ok ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | i was .. not on earth .. for new years ;) |
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| * OverLimit jumps at midnight ;) |
| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | half the world is gonna miss out on that experience this year ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| * OverLimit wonders how much of a seismic disturbance would be created by everyone in a zone jumping at the same time |
| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0100 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC +0000 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0100 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0200 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0300 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0400 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0500 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0600 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0700 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -0900 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -1000 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -1100 |
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| OverLimit | happy new year 2021 0101 000000 UTC -1200 |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | ok, the new year has came everywhere |
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| OverLimit | ewwww |
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| OverLimit | lol |
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| OverLimit | http://youtube.com/watch?v=fnEacaYne88
2021 drones .. nice .. but did they really have to add the covid
infection at the very end .. sigh .. got me to lol .. but it wasnt a
happy lol |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | ps .. s/came/come/ .. but still .. ewwww ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | maybe s/came/arrived/ would be a better choice |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | thanks |
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| hunter0one | Hi |
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| agneli | hello :) |
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| hunter0one | Hi! Happy New Year =) |
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| agneli | happy new year :) |
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| agneli | lots of great tde users in the community :) |
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| agneli | after installing new kernel |
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| agneli | i finally managed to get tdm |
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| agneli | I have bacground |
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| agneli | i have mouse cursor |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | I have no window to login |
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| agneli | any idea what did I screwed up please? |
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| agneli | it was working sort of ok before (i had issues with transparent background in the apps) |
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| agneli | but at least I was able to log in :) |
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| OverLimit | probably nothing since you did not write the code ;) try reverting back to a previous kernel ? |
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| agneli | hehehe |
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| hunter0one | As far as the transparent backgrounds go do you have the opacity set to something lower than 100%? |
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| agneli | I was expecting some other adivce :) |
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| OverLimit | hmm .. i see your other comment makes me think tde did not work at all with your old kernel ? |
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| agneli | I guess I should enable something in the kernel... |
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| OverLimit | not sure |
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| agneli | ok I should not make this transparency comment |
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| agneli | but well |
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| agneli | I had all standard settings |
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| agneli | from the official devuan packakes |
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| hunter0one | I
also came to ask a question of my own... Does anyone use a VPN with the
TDE network manager? It shows no connection options when I try to set
up a VPN (I have openvpn and network-manager-openvpn installed) |
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| agneli | it was ok, but at some point ( i installed some additional tde packages) |
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| agneli | td backround "stayed with me" after login |
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| OverLimit | some
day i will try to install tde .. but i just recently got the original
kde 3.5.5 running for me again .. so i have less incentive to do so now
;) |
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| agneli | for the desktop I had standard bitmap |
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| agneli | for tdm I had custom |
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| OverLimit | all i can say to things liek that is .. |
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| OverLimit | start over .. do one step at a tiem til you know what breaks .. then .. next time .. dont do that |
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| agneli | ach sorry ;) |
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| OverLimit | unfortuantely that is the best we can do sometimes |
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| OverLimit | til we know exactly waht caused it |
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| OverLimit | other people here know more thatn me |
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| OverLimit | so wait around here for more answers while you try to fix it yourself ? |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | take gdb and dig into the deep core |
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| OverLimit | gdb ? |
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| denk | ok, dtrace if you have it |
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| hunter0one | My
memory may be wrong because I havent had to have this file since
initially installing TDE but do you still have starttde in your
.xinitrc? |
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| agneli | hunter0one: whom are you asking, please? |
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| hunter0one | agneli: You, I doubt its the problem but I know you don't have to have it in the .xinitrc after installing |
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| agneli | i am using tdm if that answers your question |
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| agneli | it starts perfectly |
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| hunter0one | But you have no window to login? |
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| agneli | I seem by background, I see my cursor, I can move the cursor |
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| agneli | but login box is not there... |
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| agneli | hehehehe |
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| agneli | yes exactly |
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| agneli | strange, huh? |
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| agneli | i am on devuan beowulf with 5.10.4 mainline kernel |
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| agneli | compiled using devuan config from backport |
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| hunter0one | Sadly I've never encountered that, I do use TDE though (albeit on Debian Sid) |
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| agneli | they have like 5.10.2 methinks there |
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| hunter0one | That is pretty odd if its after a kernel update specifically. Unfortunately it could be anything really |
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| tilde2 | agneli: login box is not ## what happens if you try to login blind ? type your name and pass and see what happens ? |
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| agneli | I tried to do this |
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| agneli | system just stopped |
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| agneli | sth is wrong I guess... |
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| OverLimit | ya think ? ;) |
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| agneli | hehehehe |
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| denk | halt is a bad password for root |
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| denk | you can stop some server |
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| OverLimit | so how are you in here now if the system is dead ? multi boot ? other machine ? or ??? |
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| OverLimit | lol denk |
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| agneli | other machine of course |
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| agneli | after power cycle it is back |
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| agneli | when I touch keyboard nothing happens |
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| denk | agneli:
a hint to you, how I debugged tdm (but I used gdb to do it), disable
tdm at all, login to the system via ssh, start tdm under truss/strace
and save the logs |
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| denk | truss -faeo output.logs tdm [options] |
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| denk | find correct options for strace |
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| denk | in the list of processes you should see tdm, tdm_greet and some crypto (I don't remember what the name is) |
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| denk | inspect the logs for fork/exec these processes |
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| denk | see errors, increase debug level of tdm |
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| agneli | I guess I will have to... but I am pretty sure the issue is on the kernel side... |
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| agneli | thanks! :) |
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| denk | sorry for my english, tilde2 will correct me and I'll got to sleep, good luck... |
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| OverLimit | agneli:
other machine of course ## then start over .. likely your fastest
solution .. til you know exactly what causes your problems |
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| OverLimit | sure .. increase log reports at boot .. add boot option ' loglevel=9 ' |
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| OverLimit | and if you know the other stuff denk was talking about then try that too |
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| OverLimit | if
you can give exact steps to redo the problem it can make it simpler for
others to try to create the same problem so they can try to fix it |
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| hunter0one | Agreed, theres not much else I can add to this |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | let me try those ;) thanks! I guess I can do it |
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| agneli | this sudden stop with nothing in the logs is a bad sign... |
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| OverLimit | yup |
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| OverLimit | |
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| hunter0one | Does
anyone know why there are no VPN services when you try to set up a new
VPN for the TDE network manager? I have OpenVPN installed and Im wanting
to import a .ovpn file |
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| hunter0one | But the drop down box has no options at all |
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| * agneli have no idea hunter0one :( |
| hunter0one | Ah okay, Ive been trying to figure this out for a week and even opened an issue about it |
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| agneli | i stopped tdm, started tde via startx |
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| agneli | the wizard appeared, I mean the initial one, first time started by root |
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| agneli | i quit the wizard |
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| agneli | and nothing... just blue background |
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| agneli | mouse cursor is there... and more strange it did produce initial sound while I have no sound drivers loaded... |
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| agneli | how that is possible? |
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| hunter0one | I have no clue, I havent used Devuan in a hot minute |
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| agneli | i did not drunk/smoke/eat or otherwise absorbed anything that could affect my perception of reality |
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| agneli | hmmm I have sth screwed professionally |
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| agneli | I just typed the password and pressed enter |
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| agneli | I have heard the login sound... |
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| agneli | but I still see the tdm bacground... nothing else... hehehehe |
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| hunter0one | Does right clicking show a menu? |
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| agneli | no |
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| agneli | nothing |
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| agneli | and I am on a kernel what worked perfectly before... |
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| agneli | I need probably to powercycle the thing seriously... ;) remove all batteries.. |
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| agneli | the best part is sound without drivers... |
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| hunter0one | Thats strange, perhaps things got corrupted in the update process? |
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| hunter0one | Thats all I could think of for such odd things to happen |
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| agneli | hehehe I am pretty sure after the last upgrade it was working... but I would not bet on this one... |
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| agneli | ok powercycle, removing battery etc waiting few sec helped... |
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| agneli | on old kernel I can see the login box :) |
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| agneli | fuck |
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| agneli | but sound is there |
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| agneli | no dirvers |
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| agneli | lsmod shows only usb and wifi drivers... no sound... |
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| agneli | maybe this artsd is so smart... |
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| agneli | tde background is still visible on desktop :( |
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| hunter0one | ALSA
is weird, and Im not sure about aRts (besides that its a great sound
system) but I'm sure its doing something behind the scenes |
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| * agneli is very supid... |
| agneli | I have =y for one sound module... |
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| agneli | hehehe |
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| agneli | so at least that is resolved |
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| agneli | OK new kernel works as well... |
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| agneli | arm tend do be strange... |
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| agneli | so my lack of login box and etc was fixed by powercycling |
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| agneli | I disconnected battery, psu |
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| agneli | waited for sometime and now I have the login box... trying loging in ;) |
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| hunter0one | Sounds like a hardware thing then |
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| agneli | hardware initialization... |
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| agneli | the transparent bacground issue remains... |
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| agneli | but that probably requires pictures etc... enough for today :) |
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| OverLimit | agneli:
i did not drunk/smoke/eat or otherwise absorbed anything that could
affect my perception of reality ## lol .. yes you did .. you took the
tdm ;) |
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| agneli | hehehe |
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| agneli | i love it |
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| agneli | i still have the vm with Redhat Valhalla with original KDE 3.5 installed |
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| agneli | with this gnomelike theme |
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| OverLimit | <agneli> the best part is sound without drivers... ## from good system creation people ;) |
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| agneli | geramik that was or something? |
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| agneli | hehehe |
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| agneli | but what the hell do with this bacground I do not know |
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| agneli | and sound is also an issue |
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| agneli | if I do mpg123 from a text console it is OK |
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| OverLimit | tde background is still visible on desktop :( ## why is that a bad thing ? |
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| agneli | but from the konsole in tde it complains something.. |
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| agneli | OverLimit: becase I like the stock TDE backgrond a lot |
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| agneli | and have that set... |
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| OverLimit | so then that is a good thing ? |
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| agneli | i am not getting you :( |
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| OverLimit | no way to change the background ? |
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| OverLimit | no way to chang the background ? |
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| OverLimit | oops oops lol |
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| OverLimit | well i gtg .. more things to do .. ttys |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | have a great evening or whatever your timezone is ;) |
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| agneli | for the transparent background issue... I installed lxqt and issue is gone |
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| agneli | tdm is still my dm but while getting into desktop its background disapears... |
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| agneli | looks like it is tde related... |
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| OverLimit | i know there is a transparent mode for terminal windows .. maybe that is set as default ? but in lxqt it is not ? guessing |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | both have transparent mode |
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| agneli | and sth happened in tde that it stopped working ok |
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| OverLimit | |
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| pitriss | about transparency.. for real transparency is compositing needed AFAIK.. |
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| pitriss | TDE should have its own one |
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| agneli | I will post some screens one day ;) |
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| agneli | maybe tomorrow... busy with odamex doom ;) |
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| onmp314 | Hi |
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| onmp314 | I'll be trying to compile Trinity a second time. |
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| luis_balaguer_19 | hi everyone |
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| tilde2 | hey |
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| Selk | Hi guys |
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| Selk | Anyone tried to build TDE using the -flto flag? |
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| Selk | I'm curious if there's anything to be gained here... |
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| Naglfar | I didn't yet |
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| Selk | Ok :) |
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| hunter0one | Hello! |
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| tilde2 | trump banned from twitter .. omfg .. so classic .. |
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| hunter0one | Could
anyone help me with a TDE network manager issue? I'm trying to set up
an OpenVPN configuration but there's no options in the menu. Been trying
to figure this out for weeks. |
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| tilde2 | hey |
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| tilde2 | have you tryed any of the older repos to see if it works there ? |
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| tilde2 | |
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| hunter0one | I haven't. Since I'm on Debian Unstable I think it would be a bad idea to use the repo for Stable. |
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| OverLimit | oops my bad .. thought i was on a different distro channel |
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| tilde2 | i am going to try and install tde sometime soon if i can |
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| tilde2 | maybe we can figure something |
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| hunter0one | I opened an issue here for it https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetworkmanager/issues/5 |
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| tilde2 | is it possible to do it manually instad fo relying on apps ? |
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| tilde2 | instead of* |
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| tilde2 | |
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| hunter0one | I've
always used network manager applets to configure OpenVPN so Im not
sure. I have OpenVPN installed as well as network-manager-openvpn, and
it still gives no options in the menu |
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| hunter0one | I need to go for the moment. Ill check the IRC logs if anyone says anything further |
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| hunter0one | I'm
back. Had a busy day today. I ended up getting rid of TDE network
manager altogether because it was causing issues with dcopserver,
unfortunately. |
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| hunter0one | Everything works just fine after removing it though |
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| hunter0one | But now I'm still left without a way to use a VPN ;/ |
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| OverLimit | that cant be true |
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| OverLimit | i know they aint here but |
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| OverLimit | ? are there really zero in browser vpn extentions ? or sites that provide that invisibly ? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | hi, it looks I'm accidently crashed the weblate... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I've
just uploaded a million-line long (but almost empty) csv file by
mistake (I've created it with libre-calc and didn't noticed the size)... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | it looks like it's back to noraml now... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | but for what it worth, I'm sorry... It was a pure accident... |
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| SlavekB | I didn't notice the crash - when I went to look, it responded normally. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | At least it didn't respond for a couple of minutes... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB:
hi, could you remind me how to create a branch for a pull-request? I
can't pinpoint the doc you refered be too to avoid "useless forks"... |
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| SlavekB | See information on wiki: |
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| SlavekB | https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/TDE_Gitea_Workspace#To_contribute_code_changes |
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| Fat-Zer_ | thanks... |
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| agneli | hello |
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| Selk | Hey |
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| agneli | anybody willing to help with tde installation on gentoo |
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| agneli | please? :) |
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| agneli | I am a newbie on gentoo, I admit :( |
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| Selk | Which is the problem? |
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| OverLimit | hi |
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| agneli | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "trinity-base/tdebase-meta" have been masked. |
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| tbottu | agneli: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
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| agneli | !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: |
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| tbottu | agneli: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
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| agneli | - trinity-base/tdebase-meta-9999::trinity-official (masked by: missing keyword) |
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| agneli | - trinity-base/tdebase-meta-14.0.8::trinity-official (masked by: ~amd64 keyword) |
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| agneli | and I am not sure what the missing keyword might be |
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| agneli | I have no idea where to look |
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| Selk | I am not a Gentoo user, but maybe this could help: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Trinity_Desktop_Environment |
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| Selk | BTW, 14.0.9 is the latest version of TDE |
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| rtt | agneli: you can unmask the packages |
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| agneli | I think this gentoo page is about the old overlay |
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| Selk | Note the "The qt3 USE flag must be unmasked in order to install Trinity. To do this, run:" on the link |
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| rtt | you'll need to edit /etc/portage/package.unmask |
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| rtt | I think |
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| agneli | let me look there :) Thanks! |
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| rtt | haven't used gentoo since may, so I probably rusted since, but my config files for gentoo are intact |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: I should unmask live ebuilds first |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_: u sure? maybe I screwed sth :) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: yes as far as you are using a stable profile.... |
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| agneli | issue is I am a newbie and I do not really understand what you are talkign about |
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| agneli | what stable profile please? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | for the live ebuild you may symlink the `Documentation/trinity.live.keywords` to `/etc/portage/packages.keywords/` |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok... I'll try to start from scratches... |
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| agneli | I followed that: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo |
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| agneli | and gentoo terminology is alien to me |
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| Selk | xD |
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| agneli | i do not seem to have paskages.keywords subdirectory :) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | first
of all I meant the stable keyword, rather than a profile... it's
denoted by a KEYWORDS variable in your /etc/portage/make.conf... |
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| agneli | I am rtfming now ;) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | there are two kind of those: stable (like `amd64`) and testing (like `~amd64`) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | those control which packages would be avaliable from repositories. |
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| rtt | are TDE's gtk engines gtk3-compatible? Tried setting a theme and it only works on gtk2 |
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| Fat-Zer_ | what ever profile you use you may unmask any package by adding it to a file in the `/etc/portage/package.keywords` dir... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | if it's not there you are welcome to create it yourself... |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_: thank you :) |
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| agneli | yes I just did |
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| agneli | after reading ;) |
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| agneli | I added qt3 to my /etc/portage/make.conf |
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| agneli | as I did not seem to have such an USE flag set |
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| agneli | so I guess ready, steady, go? |
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| agneli | I udnerstand I am installing developement version of tde now, right? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | yes, straight from the git... |
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| rtt | heh |
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| rtt | that sounds unstable |
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| Selk | There should 14.0.9 ebuilds, I guess... |
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| agneli | whatever :) |
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| Selk | Where is Chris when we need him? :-) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | nope, there is only 14.0.8 as for now as afar as I can see... |
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| rtt | is there a way to disable the taskbar on the panel? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | rtt: just remove it from the panel... m? |
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| rtt | hurray |
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| rtt | it matters greatly where I click |
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| agneli | same result |
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| agneli | :( |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli:
by the word, those are a pretty basic concepts of gentoo, you'd better
get to know those... in general I would recommend to read the gentoo
handbook first... |
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| agneli | i checked 3 times, I did symlinked the file trinity.live.keywords properly |
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| agneli | hehe, OK |
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| rtt | handbook is a useful reference, I never read through it, though |
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| agneli | tahnk you for your time :) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli:
you also may just switch to the testing keywords... it's a simple
thing, but I'd recommend you know what you are doing first... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli:
and the dir now called `/etc/portage/package.accept_keywords/` rather
than `package.keywords` — they changed it a couple of years ago, I'm not
actually sure the later one is still supported... sorry if I mislead
you... |
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| rtt | both work |
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| rtt | I used on file because I didn't need to enable hundreds of packages |
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| Fat-Zer_ | TDE is big enough... it's a bit annoying to enable on a per-package basis... |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_: I am reading about it now |
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| agneli | for me this is a non issue, I am on a msd card so does nto really matter if I screw sth |
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| agneli | rtt: I just symlinked in the proposed directory and it does not work |
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| rtt | Fat-Zer_:
one can just write a script that outputs all TDE packages and formats
that into enable lines then >>
/etc/portage/package.accept_keywords |
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| agneli | I copied the mkdir line fromt he gentoo trinity wiki |
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| rtt | lemme check the wiki |
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| agneli | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Trinity_Desktop_Environment |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: what's the emerge output... but use wgetpaste, donn't post it here... |
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| rtt | agneli: okay I check it. Did you type in all the commands? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | *what's the emerge output? |
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| agneli | emerge output is these 4 lines I pasted above |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_: do not worry I would not paste more thatn 4 lines ;) |
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| agneli | rtt: qt3 I added to make.conf |
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| agneli | and link I created by myself |
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| agneli | checked few time though |
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| rtt | agneli: what's in /etc/portage/profile/use.mask? |
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| agneli | but i did _not_ copy the file |
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| agneli | I symlinked |
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| rtt | ok but what's in there? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: do _NOT_ use my overlay as described on gentoo wiki — it's tremendously outdated... |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_: yes |
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| agneli | I used the link provided in your git |
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| rtt | wow, my panel looks almost perfect now |
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| agneli | I pasted the link I used above |
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| agneli | somewhere |
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| agneli | I
have issues with panel on debian :( it goes crazy when I xrandr
secondary monitor from the left side to right... maybe it is a communist
panel? :) |
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| agneli | tde panel to be sure |
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| rtt | lel |
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| agneli | rtt: cat: /etc/portage/profile/use.mask: No such file or directory |
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| rtt | agneli: i think I fucked up the file name |
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| rtt | same directory, package.use.mask |
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| rtt | hehe the panel is finally coming together https://c-v.sh/yearlingslicer |
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| agneli | i do not have profile subdir in /etc/portage |
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| rtt | agneli: have you not set a profile when installing gentoo? |
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| agneli | rtt:
what are you actually doing with your panel please? I pretty serious
with my issue... quite anoung to have to move to the right to get to the
monitor that is on the left |
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| agneli | I probably did not |
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| rtt | just theming it |
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| agneli | i only installed X today previously just text terminal |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: it'd be easier if you just show the whole system configuration: (ls -Rl /etc/portage/; grep -r . /etc/portage/) |
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| rtt | today's my first time using TDE |
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| agneli | ach... I love the default theme of tde, it is just perfect |
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| rtt | agneli: eselect profile list |
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| rtt | I'm a CDE maniac |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_: I think I need to get some sleep and do heavy rtfming |
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| agneli | otherwise I am just wasting your time |
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| agneli | CDE? the 80s Sun environment? |
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| rtt | more like the all-time Sun environment, the UI for HP-UX, and lots more |
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| agneli | anyway thank you all for your great will to help! |
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| rtt | you're welcome |
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| Selk | rtt: Is CDE still under development? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | meh.. keramic is the superior one... both plastic &cde are just mediocre in comparison... |
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| agneli | keramic? |
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| agneli | the old one from 3.5.x times? |
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| Selk | rtt: Oops, you are talking about the look & feel, right? |
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| rtt | Selk:
the original.. I don't think so. There's NsCDE which is a very
heavily-documented and featureful Fvwm theme. I'm using parts of it. |
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| rtt | Selk: look and feel, but also it had ideas which are weird by today's standards |
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| Selk | Interesting |
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| agneli | have a good night or day whatever your timezones are :) |
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| rtt | Selk: MWM, the window manager, like SGI's 4DWM, iconified the windows into actual icons https://c-v.sh/unpeeledfragments |
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| Selk | I found a screenshot here http://www.xwinman.org/screenshots/mwm-jrf.jpg |
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| Fat-Zer_ | yep.. .the one from pre 3.6 KDE... and a kde2 window decorator... |
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| rtt | fuck, I actually shut down my emacs |
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| rtt | Selk: yes. I was very 90s thingy, with buttons that looks liked buttons. I'm emulating the behaviour with Fvwm |
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| Selk | Do you like evilwm? |
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| rtt | don't remember which one it is |
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| rtt | ah, it's an old wm that predates tiling wms |
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| rtt | or rather, moder tilers |
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| Selk | http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/ |
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| rtt | Selk: never actually got into "minimal wms" |
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| Selk | :-) |
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| rtt | I'm more for "the right thing" |
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| Selk | I understand |
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| Selk | Do you have an screenshot of your fvwm customization? |
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| rtt | Selk: many |
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| rtt | Selk: but most of it is just different color schemes for slowly-changing setup |
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| rtt | I'll dig up one from 2019 summer |
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| rtt | Selk: wait a minute, going to erase some data so nobody will get compromised |
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| Selk | No hurry. :-) |
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| rtt | Selk: late 2019 https://c-v.sh/umbrosejapans and early 2020 https://c-v.sh/pimpledseizins (left some metadata in the second but nothing important) |
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| rtt | and right now https://c-v.sh/tastelesswelcomes |
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| tilde2 | |
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| OverLimit | |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I never understood why people consider hostnames and usernames as private data... |
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| rtt | Fat-Zer_: some people would be angry if they saw my hostname |
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| OverLimit | lol |
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| OverLimit | now i am angry you wont show it to me lol |
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| rtt | OverLimit: ok now you proved youself to me |
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| OverLimit | does a host command on your ip to find out |
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| OverLimit | proved ? |
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| rtt | OverLimit: yeah someone like you would get agry over something so trivial |
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| OverLimit | sarcasm?humor |
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| OverLimit | note the lol |
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| OverLimit | ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | $ host 46.107.30.154 |
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| OverLimit | Host 154.30.107.46.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| OverLimit | nice |
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| OverLimit | |
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| rtt | OverLimit: AH FORGOT TO TYPE THE "NOT" |
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| OverLimit | nope .. then it woudl not be a joke .. it would be a fact |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | or did you mean you forgot ? |
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| rtt | yea I meant the exact opposite |
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| OverLimit | MT-CUSTOMER-LINKS |
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| OverLimit | vague : opposite of what ? |
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| OverLimit | ok let me re parse that then ;) |
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| rtt | i meant you proved that I can show it to you |
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| OverLimit | hmm .. |
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| rtt | just forgot to negate what I said |
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| OverLimit | except i cant .. kuz .. |
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| OverLimit | not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| OverLimit | country: hu |
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| rtt | OverLimit: i'm behind like 4 firewalls |
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| rtt | possibly even VPNs |
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| OverLimit | are you in hungary ? |
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| rtt | and VLANs |
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| OverLimit | sure |
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| rtt | OverLimit: ye. The language on one of the screenshots is Hungarian |
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| OverLimit | i
dont relly care what your hostname is .. i know it is all lies on the
internet .. im just curious waht you think some people would be
mad?angryu at ;) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | and actually communicating through a very busy pigin mail station... |
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| rtt | OverLimit: people can be touchy about war crimes and dictatorships |
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| OverLimit |
the screenshots ## havent seen them yet .. just got back from lunch ..
still need to read everything before my first text in this block |
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| rtt | for
example, the tilde irc channels are heavily regulated, because they
don't want the participants to get angry or triggered, etc. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | rtt: I'd guess you use GULAG camp sites as hostnames? |
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| OverLimit | people can be touchy ## sux 2 be them ? ;) |
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| rtt | Fat-Zer_: ye |
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| rtt | it is for this reason I try to be normal when I'm new in public channels |
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| OverLimit | tilde is not angry that they stole his nick for their project without his permission ;) |
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| OverLimit | try to be normal ## you mean this is all an act ? ;) |
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| rtt | lol |
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| rtt | everything is an act |
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| OverLimit | unless youre me |
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| rtt | especially on IRC |
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| OverLimit | idk |
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| OverLimit | i think there is less reason to put on an act online |
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| rtt | there's more reason to let yourself do stuff you wouldn't do irl |
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| OverLimit | if your security methods are good enuf .. no one will ever know who you are |
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| rtt | well yeah |
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| OverLimit | exactly so .. i can be ' real ' here without too much fear |
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| rtt | from the screenshots, I mainly censored data that would give away my friends |
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| OverLimit | especially in my own channels |
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| OverLimit | um .. |
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| rtt | depends on what people think as their real selves |
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| OverLimit | 20210116.1439:48 * rtt ~belzurix@46.107.30.154 :is messaging you, and you have umode +g. |
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| OverLimit | i was going to invite you to a room |
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| rtt | i left the channel names there on purpose |
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| rtt | OverLimit: probably dumb client |
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| OverLimit | but there is someone elase in it .. so i have to make another first |
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| OverLimit | maybe you did a ctcp on me ? |
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| rtt | OverLimit: i sent a PM |
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| OverLimit | ok i have +g mode so it wont go thru |
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| OverLimit | i will need to invite you to a channel |
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| rtt | well ok |
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| OverLimit | how obscene shoudl i make the channel name ? |
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| OverLimit | ;) |
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| rtt | does its name start with ## ? |
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| OverLimit | havent decided yet |
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| OverLimit | do you really care ? |
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| rtt | OverLimit: let it be 8 hashtags |
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| OverLimit | that room is public |
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| rtt | what if we give it more hashtags? |
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| rtt | or #hashtag############ |
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| OverLimit | hmm amybe i misunderstood but .. |
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| OverLimit | you asked for a ## prefix |
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| OverLimit | i have a better idea now tho |
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| rtt | not really asked just joked around |
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| rtt | really hate ##channels |
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| rtt | don't mind if it's ########### tho |
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| OverLimit | /join #trinity-desktop-hungary |
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| Selk | rtt: Looks good!, thanks for share it. :-) |
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| rtt | Selk:
you're welcome. Honestly, it's nothing unusual for an fvwm
config. Most actually put effort into their stuff but I'm okay with
emulating MWM and looking like MWM |
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| Selk | Cool, I like it. |
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| rtt | most of ricing is spent on keyboard shortcuts and making usable color schemes for existing themes |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_:
after I read just a very little about the
/etc/portage/packages.access_keywords compilation and installation
worked like charm |
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| agneli | thank you! |
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| agneli | all I had to do was to create the above menioned directory and link trinity.live.keywords there |
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| skyman | Hello,
i have a question about the shortcut CTRL+T ( trinity R.14.0.9 +
centos7 ) : on the desktop, it execute konsole. Do you know if it's
possible to change the application or disable this shorcut |
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| Fat-Zer_ | skyman: looks like it's hardcoded... |
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| OverLimit | time for a hexedit session ? |
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| OverLimit | or an eeprom burner ? ;) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | meh... just a source code patching would be enough... |
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| OverLimit | i dont like to recompile if i can avoid it |
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| OverLimit | but ya |
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| skyman | Fat-Zer_ : ok, thanks |
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| Fat-Zer_ | np |
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| Fat-Zer_ | skyman:
actually, you can "make kdesktop unathorized for `run_command`" and it
would effectively disable that shortcut and remove it from the menu, but
I'm not sure how to do it, it what would be other consequences... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | *or |
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| OverLimit | he could also have wrote the binary he wanted over the konsole binary .. other consequences of that might be amusing ;) |
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| tilde2 | gotta kill this ping monster again what server am i on |
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| tilde2 | korn |
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| OverLimit | youre still here |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: you are administrating the weblate aren't you? could you add a glossary which would be shared by all components? |
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| skyman | Fat-Zer_
: it's for a kiosk mode. I will rename konsole to not execute it. I
agree that's a workaround, but until i did'nt found the right method. I
will investigate with your idea ( make kdesktop unathorized for
`run_command) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | skyman: yep, for kiosk mode you are pretty likely looking for the action authorization settings... see: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/branch/master/tdecore/README.kiosk |
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| EndlessEggroll | Hi everyone! |
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| EndlessEggroll | I just installed Oracle Linux 8 (had to switch to it from CentOS) and TDE and ran into two issues. |
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| EndlessEggroll | The
first is that after booting and logging in, twin won't start. I have to
end the session and log back in for it to actually start. I'm not sure
if it really doesn't start at first or crashes, but I added twin to the
autostart list so it actually start every time. Minor inconvenience |
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| EndlessEggroll | The
other thing is that Amarok freezes right after opening. The wizard
works but after the main screen opens, it hangs at "Populating
playlist..." |
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| EndlessEggroll | I
tried running it with tdesu so it displayed an error saying it can't
connect to dbus. I installed dbus-x11 and it actually opens and seems to
run properly, although it won't play any files, but at least it doesn't
hang. |
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| EndlessEggroll | but
running it normally still produces the same bug, even after
reinstalling the package and creating a new account to try it with |
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| EndlessEggroll | did
anyone else have the same issue, or do you have any idea what I should
try to fix it? unfortunately it doesn't seem to have a --debug option |
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| SlavekB | EndlessEggroll - is this a trinity-amarok? |
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| EndlessEggroll | SlavekB: yes |
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| EndlessEggroll | SlavekB: 1.4 |
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| SlavekB | I'm surprised why there should be an dependency on dbus. |
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| SlavekB | What amarok backend do you have? xine or akode? |
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| EndlessEggroll | How can I check? |
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| SlavekB | In the Amarok menu - Settings / Settings Amarok - System. |
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| EndlessEggroll | if
I launch it via tdesu, in the Configure - Amarok window at the Engine
tab, there's <no engine> selected for the sound system |
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| EndlessEggroll | the only other option is yayuap engine |
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| EndlessEggroll | even though trinity-libarts-xine and trinity-libarts-akode packages are installed |
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| SlavekB | That
explains a lot. The yayuap engine uses dbus to control yayuap => it
really needs dbus. At the same time, it is likely that yayuap is not
present, so it does not work. |
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| EndlessEggroll | dang, I made some progress |
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| EndlessEggroll | yes, if I run amarokapp --engine void, it doesn't freeze |
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| SlavekB | I don't know if for RPM packages there are separate packages with amarok backends. |
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| EndlessEggroll | what engine should I try to get for it? |
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| SlavekB | It looks like backends should be part of the base amarok package. |
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| SlavekB | Strange. When I look at the package, there really is no engine other than void and yauap. |
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| EndlessEggroll | so you have it using yayuap and it works? |
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| EndlessEggroll | or you mean inside the rpm? |
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| SlavekB | I use Debian and here I have the xine and akode engines available, both of which work. |
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| EndlessEggroll | interesting, so it's a rhel related issue then |
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| SlavekB | The RPM package seems to be built incorrectly and there are no useful engines. |
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| EndlessEggroll | I should be able to install those engines manually then but I don't know where I should look |
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| EndlessEggroll | by the RPM package you mean the trinity-amarok package? |
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| SlavekB | yes, trinity-amarok package. |
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| SlavekB | You
can join to the tde-users mailing list and send a problem report there
=> François, who is responsible for RPM packages, is usually present
there. |
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| EndlessEggroll | alright, I'll try doing that, and thanks a lot |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB:
hi, you are administrating the weblate, aren't you? could you add a
glossary which would be shared by all projects/components? |
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| SlavekB | I
looked at it. Glossary should be automatically shared between
components within the project - for example, all components in tdelibs.
As a next step I can set up sharing glossary between projects. |
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| SlavekB | In what projects did you put terms into glossary - only in tdelibs? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | Yep, I'm talking about a glossary shared between projects... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I didn't yet... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I'd
suggest to create a new one named i.e. TDE... but I suspect you will
have to add it individually to each component... but I suppose you can
automate it through Weblate's API or cli tools. |
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| SlavekB | There should be enough to set up sharing for projects and there are only a small number of them. |
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| SlavekB | A
very general TDE project already exists there, because it is used as a
metaproject for the registration of individual large git repositories -
such as tde-i18n. |
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| SlavekB | This project is not visible to regular users because there are no components to translate. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, I have to test whether it will be possible to add terms from other projects to the glossary set and shared here. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | Did I missed anything? |
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| SlavekB | It seems like it can work! |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/weblate/glossaries/tdelibs/ru/ |
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| SlavekB | Do you see the TDE glossary there? |
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| SlavekB | And if so, can you add words to the TDE glossary? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: yes, I can |
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| Fat-Zer_ | both |
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| Fat-Zer_ | thanks |
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| SlavekB | Well, the TDE glossary is now shared for all projects. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | great |
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| Fat-Zer_ | * sincerely great; no sarcasm intended =) |
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| SlavekB | It
seems to work great - now there is one global glossary and in each
project it is possible to use a second glossary specific to the project. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | you
may also want to color code it, so would be more stand out if the term
is global or a project specific... I won't insist on that one, cause I'm
not sure if this one would be good-looking... |
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| EndlessEggroll | Update:
I managed to "somewhat" fix Amarok. Long story short I extracted the
xine and akode engines from the respective deb packages. After a bit of
editing, they show up in Amarok, but only xine-engine works. |
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| EndlessEggroll | But then it crashed while playing some songs and I found this report in the mailing list: https://www.spinics.net/lists/trinity-users/msg05839.html |
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| EndlessEggroll | the bug is related to the Visualizations/Analyzers |
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| EndlessEggroll | If
I click on the Analyzer on the bottom of the screen and select the one
that says "Click for Analyzers" so I essentially disable them, it
doesn't crash |
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| EndlessEggroll | I guess there's some kind of memory leak with the default one, or maybe with libvisual |
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| EndlessEggroll | SlavekB: does the analyzer work for you without crashing after about a minute? |
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| SlavekB | Compatibility with xine 1.2 has already been resolved - the condition is that the xine engine is built with xine 1.2. |
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| SlavekB | I
have no idea what version of the package you used to get the xine
engine, but there will be a good idea to use the package from the
version that is built with xine 1.2. |
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| SlavekB | xine 1.2.10 |
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| SlavekB | For debian, this means the version for Bullseye. |
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| EndlessEggroll | From this one: amarok-engine-xine-trinity_14.0.9-0debian10.0.0+0_amd64.deb |
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| EndlessEggroll | and it's working properly, only aKode does not |
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| SlavekB | Debian 10 == Buster => xine 1.2.9 |
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| EndlessEggroll | oh |
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| SlavekB | If your distribution contains xine 1.2.10, you need to use the Bullseye package. |
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| EndlessEggroll | what about Ubuntu 20.10? |
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| SlavekB | yes, Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy) contains xine 1.2.10 |
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| EndlessEggroll | It seems libamarok_xine-engine.so is different in this version indeed |
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| EndlessEggroll | 140.7 kB > 140.9 kB |
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| SlavekB | The main difference should be that there is built with xine 1.2.10. |
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| EndlessEggroll | yup, this was it |
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| EndlessEggroll | it seems to be all good now :) |
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| SlavekB | In any case, it will be good for François to rebuild amarok packages so that they contain the necessary engines. |
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| EndlessEggroll | or at least build separate xine-engine and akode-engine packages like for debian and ubuntu |
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| EndlessEggroll | I also had to install libpq and rubygems for it to work properly |
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| EndlessEggroll | I
updated aKode-engine.so with the one from the ubuntu deb, but it still
doesn't work, but to be honest I don't think I'd need it |
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| EndlessEggroll | thanks again for the help |
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| SlavekB | thank you for reporting the issue. |
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| EndlessEggroll | I'm glad we could work it out |
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| EndlessEggroll | should I make a ticket still? |
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| SlavekB | It can either be reported as an issue for the tde-packaging repository or send an email to tde-users ML. |
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| EndlessEggroll | okay, I'll look into that tomorrow |
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| EndlessEggroll | oh
and have you experienced the issue with twin? It either doesn't start
or crashed on the first login, but logging out and back in fixes it |
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| EndlessEggroll | I don't think it's hardware related because I had it happening in a VM, too |
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| EndlessEggroll | although it was on the same OS |
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| SlavekB | twin works without problems for me. |
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| EndlessEggroll | I'll try to look into it then |
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| EndlessEggroll | I just have to find out where the related log files are |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB: Weblate doesn't parse TDE's plurals syntax, right? |
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| SlavekB | Exactly - Weblate uses the current syntax of a plural notations, while in TDE we use the older modified gettexxt-kde. |
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| SlavekB | This is one of the tasks that we need to make changes so that we can switch to the current syntax and leave the old gettext-kde. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | meh...
this annoying... AFAIR switch to a normal gettext would be pretty
easy... but the script to convert the translations could be a bit of a
headache... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | SlavekB:
have you already discussed if it should be a one moment switch, with
conversion of all translations in a single time? Or there should be a
transitional period during which both formats should be supported? |
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| SlavekB | We must first modify the i18n functions to support both gettext formats. |
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| SlavekB | At
the same time, it is likely that then one i18n function will not be
enough for us, but there will be a need to create more functions to
clearly specify when the context is used and when the plural notation is
used. |
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| SlavekB | ...similar to what was modified in KDE. |
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| SlavekB | Therefore, it is clear that we need to make a transitional period when both formats can work simultaneously. |
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| SlavekB | And as you mentioned, we will also need a script that will convert the existing PO files to the new format. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok... thanks... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | it's wierd, I can't pull the master branch of tdelibs: https://dpaste.com/56YVYKGVZ |
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| Fat-Zer_ | *pull submodules |
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| Fat-Zer_ | * git submodule update |
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| SlavekB | you can try in submodule: git pull --rebase |
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| Fat-Zer_ | ok... it looks like I've got incorrect remotes in the submodule... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | damn... I've messed up my last PR with plurals a bit >_< |
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| agneli | hello, a question please: what would be recomended webbrowser for tde that has no gtk dependencies please? |
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| agneli | somehow Konqueror is not working very well... |
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| OverLimit | exegnu
has palemoon preinstalled if you want to try a live distro that
defaults to trinity desktop .. it is not perfect either tho .. try at
your own risk |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli:
tde's konqueror shouldn't be used — it's an ancient barely maintained
piece of bugs and security vulnerabilities of a browser... any modern
browser of your choice will work... I personally a mainstream pearson
and use firefox... |
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| OverLimit | not sure abount non gtk browsers but maybe a differnet one will handle it better ? try the newest google chrome or firefox ? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | as of gtk-free browsers, I've heard good things about QupZillf |
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| Fat-Zer_ | *QupZillf |
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| Fat-Zer_ | *QupZilla |
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| OverLimit | also wget works well ;) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | oh.. it's actually called "Falkon" now... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | and it uses blink instead of webkit now... hm... I should read news more... |
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| OverLimit | or lynx or dillo if you do not need gfx or javascript etc |
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| agneli | Firefox wants gtk |
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| OverLimit | are you sure that gtk was the problem ? |
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| agneli | or I am just too stupid to comie it wouthout gtk ;) |
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| OverLimit | maybe konqueror is too buggy like fat_zer says |
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| OverLimit | try to install or compile a more modern version of konqueror ? |
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| agneli | i was very polite about Konqueror ;) well it just does not work at all |
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| OverLimit | i see lol |
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| agneli | I am not sure it can display even simple pages correctly |
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| agneli | gtk is not a probalem, it is a question |
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| OverLimit | try the exegnu live cd .. again .. it may be far from perfect too .. but better than zero for sure |
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| agneli | I am on exegnu for the moment ;) |
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| OverLimit | and palemoon is not working for you ? |
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| agneli | I never tried |
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| OverLimit | good luck ;) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: AFAIR firefox can be build with a Qt UI but it's non supported, unstable and hell of a trouble in general... |
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| agneli | I was not aware in fact |
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| OverLimit | in the internet menu |
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| OverLimit | give it a try |
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| Fat-Zer_ | OverLimit: palemoon is just a firefox skin... |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer_: sounds like an interesting job for me :) |
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| OverLimit | sure but he did not know it was there so maybe it will fix his hassles of no browser |
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| agneli | OverLimit: it will not |
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| agneli | here I am just using firefox :) |
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| agneli | I have some instalations of gentoo with -gtk |
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| OverLimit | ok so then .. i guess i want to know .. why do you want a non gtk borwser ? |
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| OverLimit | browser* |
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| OverLimit | is firefox failing for you also ? |
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| agneli | OverLimit: I think I answered before you asked |
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| agneli | ;) |
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| agneli | gentoo with USE="-gtk" |
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| agneli | with tde working great ;) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: at least it was 8 years or so ago... |
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| agneli | I think paemoon is not on my version of exegnu |
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| agneli | E: Unable to locate package palemoon |
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| OverLimit | hmm .. interesting ? are you using the newest 2020 exegnu live cd ? |
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| agneli | no |
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| OverLimit | well ther eyou go |
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| OverLimit | you could try that |
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| agneli | I told I am on some old ascii based exegnu |
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| OverLimit | i see |
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| OverLimit | time to upgrade ;) |
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| OverLimit | some things are impossible |
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| agneli | and another question: there was something called Krusader back in the days |
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| OverLimit | or at least more hassle than they are worth |
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| agneli | is this avaliable for tde, please? any idea? |
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| OverLimit | if you learn how to compile .. then everything is available .. build anything you want |
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| agneli | ;) |
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| OverLimit | lots of options up ^ there ^ good luck ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | oho Krusader has even a webpage ;) |
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| agneli | enough questions for today |
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| agneli | thank you all for your kind answers! |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: it's in TDE: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/krusader but the build system wasn't ported to the cmake yet, until then there will be no ebuild |
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| agneli | Thank you :) |
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| agneli | falkon is there on gentoo |
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| agneli | but it is pulling so much of kde libs... :( I wonder if I can change that in the future... |
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| agneli | compiling it though... we will tomorrow hehehe |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: doesn't USE="-kde" makes it depend purely on Qt? |
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| agneli | idk ;) I am just learnig... |
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| agneli | thank you! |
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| agneli | I will look into it at some point |
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| OverLimit | USE="-gtk-kde-Qt" ## ? how do i list them all if i dont know them all ? USE="-*" ? |
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| OverLimit | Fat-Zer_: want to do a project building a more awesome trinity distro ? |
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| OverLimit | maybe tomorrow .. or soon .. i just thought of it this afternoon |
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| OverLimit | some kind of simple tutorial .. trinity from scratch .. idk |
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| OverLimit | step 1 .. choose the distro(s) you are going to use to build it |
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| OverLimit | |
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| Fat-Zer_ | OverLimit:
USE are a gentoo thing... you can list those with `equery u
<pkg>` or by searching for a package with `eix` or when installing
with `emerge -av` or just by looking at the ebuild (those are just bsdh
scripts with additions)... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | and sorry... I haven't understood your last question... |
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| denk | https://paste.dilos.org/?63328f8304acc9ba#CCUjzpbM654sPy4FUxgM/J2l8mcQji+sLAXnffbb/Cs= |
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| denk | just for info |
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| agneli | hello, I have another question... in kde 3.5 i had an option that I run 2 or 2 Konsoles side by side nicely placed on the screen |
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| agneli | but I have no idea how I acheived that... |
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| agneli | i am sick of arranging my screen over and over again :) |
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| OverLimit | stop rebooting ;) |
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| agneli | greta would not approve that ;) |
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| OverLimit | lol ? greta ? likes to reboot ? |
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| EndlessEggroll | Hi
everyone! I just spent the last ~2 hours locating the file responsible
for the side image in KMenu/TDEMenu and then finding which config file
to edit in order to disable it. And then I just found out that there was
a freaking checkbox for it in the panel settings..... |
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| EndlessEggroll | At
least I found a minor bug. The image itself is colored blue, but
something applies a tint to it, so it becomes looking washed out in the
end. The original KDE 3.5 kside.png didn't have a coloring, it was just
gray so it worked well with the custom tinting, but it makes no sense
that the current one is colored dark blue just like the stock wallpaper
if it doesn't look like that at the end. |
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| OverLimit | lol @ checkbox .. but would rather know the actual way also .. got path/to/file ? |
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| OverLimit | re color ? maybe the end result was the one they were looking for ? ;) |
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| EndlessEggroll | ~/.trinity/share/config/kickerrc |
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| OverLimit | ty |
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| EndlessEggroll | np :) |
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| OverLimit | still looking for an easy way to add trinity do my multi boot system .. |
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| OverLimit | to* my |
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| EndlessEggroll | I've also found this file: /opt/trinity/share/config.kcfg/kickerSettings.kcfg |
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| OverLimit | got close .. but kb and mouse were not working |
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| EndlessEggroll | I think it contains the default settings for new users |
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| OverLimit | and where is the kside.png that i will want to replace with my own image if i need to ;) |
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| EndlessEggroll | what do you mean? you installed multiple distros and the one with trinity doesn't have input working? |
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| EndlessEggroll | "/opt/trinity/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png" |
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| OverLimit | ya .. a couple of them .. a ubuntu variant and a couple other i forget from the tde live cd list page |
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| OverLimit | and
the newest a pclinuxos version .. that is enuf different from others
that i think i will need to burn a dvd to try that one or figure a few
tricks |
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| EndlessEggroll | oh, pclinuxos. I've heard a lot about it back in the day but never tried it |
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| OverLimit | ive used that live os many years ago .. seemed ok .. so i figured i woudl try it |
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| EndlessEggroll | I've used Debian for a long time, then switched to RHEL/Fedora a few years ago |
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| EndlessEggroll | I went back and forth between Fedora and CentOS |
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| OverLimit | my frankenstein method of adding it to my boot system i think made it fail |
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| EndlessEggroll | and
when I reinstalled my PC a few days ago, I switched to Oracle Linux
since it's the same as RHEL but free to use and installed Trinity on top
of that |
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| EndlessEggroll | it works great and stable as hell |
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| OverLimit | compiled it fresh ? |
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| EndlessEggroll | nah, there's a repo for ti |
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| OverLimit | nice |
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| OverLimit | is there a live cd?dvd version of the os ? |
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| OverLimit | guessing no 32 bit version tho .. /me checks distrowatch etc |
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| EndlessEggroll | oh if your pc only supports 32bit, I'd go with debian |
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| OverLimit | i
was thinking maybe i learn some init skills and redo the exegnu 2020
image to be more like i want .. but that sounds like a simpler path ..
if i can do it live |
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| EndlessEggroll | exe is devuan with tde, right? |
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| OverLimit | well one netbook is 32 bit .. the two laptops are 64 .. but can do 32 mode pae |
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| EndlessEggroll | I haven't used init for such a long time now, I'm not sure if I want to try using it again |
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| OverLimit | ya i think so .. devuan or refracta which is based on devuan |
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| OverLimit | i dont usually worry or care about such things |
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| OverLimit | i do mostly scripting so most of my personal tools shoudl work in almost any os |
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| EndlessEggroll | that's true |
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| EndlessEggroll | I have a nice little netbook too on which I've installed Windows XP, Mac OS X 10.6 and Lubuntu in triple boot |
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| EndlessEggroll | WinXP and OSX 10.6 works well on it, but Lubuntu runs terribly |
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| EndlessEggroll | and I've thought LXQt is lightweight enough |
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| EndlessEggroll | but I'll try Devuan + Trinity on it :3 |
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| OverLimit | ya you really need to try a lot of distros to find the perfect hardware match in some cases |
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| EndlessEggroll | it has an Atom N270 CPU iirc |
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| OverLimit | cant find the 32 bit isos on the main oracle page .. distrowatch says i686 available .. but that might be old news only |
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| EndlessEggroll | no, RHEL 8 supports amd64 only |
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| OverLimit | most of the super minimals i use work fine on most hardware ive tryed them on |
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| OverLimit | so where do i get an older iso ? |
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| EndlessEggroll | idk |
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| EndlessEggroll | https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/oracle-linux/ |
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| EndlessEggroll | CentOS 7 is also an option, they made an i386 version http://quantum-mirror.hu/mirrors/pub/centos-altarch/7.9.2009/isos/i386/ |
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| OverLimit | 8 gig for the everything iso wow ;) grabbing the 1 gig |
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| OverLimit | looks liek need to go back to oracle 6 for i386 |
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| EndlessEggroll | I recommend using the netinst iso, I always use that |
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| EndlessEggroll | yeap |
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| OverLimit | well .. |
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| OverLimit | i run from ram live .. so |
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| OverLimit | things are .. different .. for me ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| EndlessEggroll | but Oracle Linux, CentOS are both the same as RHEL with different names and logos |
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| EndlessEggroll | it's 1:1 |
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| OverLimit | i should learn how to boot into a partition?folder full of installed files |
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| EndlessEggroll | Oracle has their own UEK kernel but that's optional, too |
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| OverLimit | sounds like something everyone shoudl want |
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| OverLimit | want the unbreabkable kernel ? naw .. im good getting pwned ? who woudl think like that ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | what problems dopes it create taht people might not want it |
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| OverLimit | does* |
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| OverLimit | it shouldnt evne be an option to not use it |
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| EndlessEggroll | it's not 1:1 compatible with RHEL's kernel, so some software could run differently or even have errors |
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| EndlessEggroll | I don't use it for example |
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| EndlessEggroll | just because they call it unbreakable, it doesn't mean it's better |
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| OverLimit | lol |
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| * OverLimit renames their kernel better and modifys the boot line to match |
| OverLimit | centos 7 2009 minimal got |
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| OverLimit | sums match .. shreddinf files |
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| OverLimit | ing* |
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| agneli | if I want to understand in details how tdm themes work I would need to go to source code, right? or but you here? |
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| agneli | I have just dicovered that feature, just because in the gentoo version theses are on by default ;) |
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| OverLimit | how long did it take you to build that gentoo system and also install tdm |
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| agneli | + is SAK working? i set that to true but nothing changed... |
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| agneli | OverLimit: I am not sure what answer you expect ;) |
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| OverLimit | agneli: the truth would be nice ;) |
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| OverLimit | i
know about gentoo .. so the answer i expect is going to be quite a long
time ;) im jsut curious how long it took you .. and i guess a bit of
system specs |
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| OverLimit | trying to build an acceptable to me trinity system for 32 and 64 bit .. exegnu 2020 is close .. but not quite there |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | ? is there a trinity desktop for tinycore ? version 8.0 preferably |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | OverLimit:
then tthe answer is depends on CPU speed, I am a completely newbie to
gentoo, a week ago I did not even know what overlays are :) |
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| agneli | so
if there is a fairly modern CPU with reasonable amount of RAM avaliable
then it goes quite fast, let us say 16 hours including irc and ddg |
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| agneli | i5-6440HQ, 16GB RAM |
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| agneli | for the moment I am using msd cards, before I am really ready to make it permanent |
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| agneli | here it was sandisk extreme pro 64GB, but not the latest one, previous generation, slightly slower |
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| agneli | microSDXC I - 170/90 |
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| agneli | so I did not really feel the penalty in comparison to devuan |
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| agneli | where you still need to add tde anyway |
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| agneli | on the slower machine it can be a pain... |
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| agneli | when
Fat-Zer suggested Falkon web browser... on a T9900 with 8GB of RAM and
32GB SanDisk Ultra msd card compilation of this web browser alone took
almost precisely 24hrs |
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| agneli | speed of the cars in 120/write not given by sandisk :) |
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| agneli | and stage3 which I am using is the selinux/hardened/nomultilib amd64 |
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| agneli | for exegnu I do not like the installer, i used heavyli but it just shows the passwords in plain txt |
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| agneli | and for gentoo... I am not able to get crappy m$ webapps to work... |
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| agneli | in the firefox |
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| agneli | browser blocks any requests directed at sharepoint storage |
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| agneli | it just sends nothing to the server... and I have no bloody idea why |
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| agneli | on falkon it just works... |
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| agneli | and funny enough on a torbrowser binary downloaded from torproject.org it works flawlessly |
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| agneli | so you know everything now OverLimit ;) |
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| agneli | I hope I gave you feedback you deem valuable and useful ;) |
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| agneli | crap... RAM is GiB of course :) |
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| OverLimit | lol |
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| OverLimit | week ago I did not even know what overlays are :) ## and i still dont .. so i am more noob than you ;) |
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| OverLimit |
valuable and useful ;) ## haha .. a few laughs and .. idk .. too sleepy
again .. busy day moving data around and building my multi boot |
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| OverLimit | lol @ tor = flawless .. makes sense i guess .. the stealth hackers haz all the best everythings ;) |
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| OverLimit | i wish it had a mode to not be tor for places that ban it |
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| agneli | who bans tor? |
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| agneli | OverLimit: just ask for a new circuit and it will all work |
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| OverLimit |
a new circuit ? dunno waht that is .. plus i dont use tor so no need ;)
idk .. whenever i tryed it years ago lots of placed rejected exit nodes
? |
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| OverLimit | ?
how long has q40s used trinity ? maybe i never knew it was using that
.. some geek friends of mine were amused by a linux skinned as windows
theme ;) |
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| OverLimit | i will have to check out my old one and the 2 new ones i took yesterday to try them |
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| OverLimit | q4os
worked ok for me a while back .. not sure why i went back to mint ..
probably browser fail issues from sites doing mean updates |
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| Guest8338 | Hello, fellows! |
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| Guest8338 | Every time I log in or when I open any program I get the error: Could not find mime type |
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| Guest8338 | application/octet-stream |
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| Guest8338 | Any ideas how to fix this? Thanks in advance. |
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| Guest8338 | Anyone? |
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| Guest8338 | Well... thanks, anyway. |
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| denk | is it too evil to offer him dtrace? |
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| SlavekB | https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydesktop.org/thread/KEJTTA6DOGM7JD3GVOSDVOFP6OJNRKXD/#EB3XVFB73LFKHVEGNUO56HAEMPUE3HA4 |
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| Rojola | Hello! |
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| Rojola | Is there anything that I can repace the tray icon of the sound thingy with? |
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| Rojola | I mean the speaker-icon (the tray icon) |
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| Rojola | It is very, very buggy and makes my life hard |
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| Rojola | or let me rephrase my question: |
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| Rojola | How can I program my own tray icon? |
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| Rojola | is there a boilerplate? |
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| Rojola | What I need is a bullet-proof way of muting my computer (all sounds) |
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| OverLimit | <denk> is it too evil to offer him dtrace? ## only kuz he is .. gone ;) |
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| OverLimit | Rojola: unplug your speakers ? |
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| OverLimit | unless they are wireless ;) |
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| Rojola | OverLimit, built-in / laptop |
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| OverLimit | a
bit of a joke but .. if you?i really dont?didnt care about getting
sound on it ever again .. and feel ok opening it .. i would try it |
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| OverLimit | you could delete or rename temporarily the audio files |
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| Rojola2 | OverLimit, I need a solution that works with a click |
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| OverLimit | im sure there must be a command line way to do it |
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| Rojola2 | when I get a phone call |
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| OverLimit | got it |
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| OverLimit | a mute.desktop icon that does wahtever the command line version woudl be .. |
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| OverLimit | which mixer are you using ? |
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| OverLimit | i remember using auxmix or similar on knoppix 5 long ago to control volumes in a boot script |
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| OverLimit | others here will probably know .. stick arround i gtg ttyl |
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| OverLimit | |
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| Rojola2 | OverLimit, I am not sure what mixer |
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| Rojola2 | I guess alsamixer |
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| Rojola2 | but I am not sure |
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| Rojola2 | it is the desktop tray icon |
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| Rojola2 | anyone around? OverLimit ? |
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| Rojola2 | amixer -D pulse sset Master 0% |
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| Rojola2 | and: |
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| Rojola2 | amixer -D pulse sset Master 100% |
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| Rojola2 | the only problem now is: |
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| Rojola2 | How can I get this into a tray icon? |
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| Rojola2 | I want to click a tray icon, and it sets the volume to 0 and turns red |
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| Rojola2 | when I click it again, it turns green and turns the volume to 100% |
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| Rojola2 | I cannot find any manuals online as to how to do it for trinity desktop |
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| denk | create everything you want |
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| Rojola | denk, yeah but I need a starting point |
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| Rojola | I could do it in Javascript |
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| Rojola | but I have no idea how to even start with TDE |
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| denk | look at the kmix source code |
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| Rojola | denk, what I want to achieve is much simpler |
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| Rojola | I want to execute one simple command upon click |
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| Rojola | and change the icon then |
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| Rojola | click
on tray icon ==> make the tray icon
red ==> execute: amixer -D pulse sset Master
0% |
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| denk | find where it sets an icon in the tray, add your own handler |
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| Rojola | I was hoping somebody here knew |
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| denk | the issue has solved |
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| OverLimit | denk: the issue has solved ## lol .. a user leaving from frustration is not a solution ;) |
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| OverLimit | im glad he figured it from my input tho .. but i too would not mind knowing how to put something in the tray easy .. |
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| OverLimit | to me a muter.desktop is the equvialent of a tray icon |
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| OverLimit | but i guess 2 clicks was too much for him to handle ;) 1 for show desk and 1 to hit muter.desktop |
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| OverLimit | and
i think there are ways to make a desktop launcher do multiple things
depending how you click on it .. but i never tryed .. just seen text in
them that makes me think it woudl be nearly trivial to do |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | well now .. that was .. annoying .. lol |
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| OverLimit | ? what did i miss anything ? |
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| agneli | TDELauncher could not be reached via DCOP |
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| agneli | any idea what I need to do to remedy this,please? |
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| OverLimit | how did that happen ? |
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| agneli | it just happens... |
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| agneli | from time to time |
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| agneli | I did nothing special, just working |
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| agneli | and after 2 days that without reboot I got this |
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| agneli | I can launch apps from terminal |
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| agneli | but konqueror disk browsing reports same error... and is not working |
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| agneli | this is exegnulinux ascii |
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| agneli | if I run kdcop I see nothing named launcher |
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| agneli | can I somehow restart tdelauncher without rebooting, please? |
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| Fat-Zer_ | it's weird... tdelauncher should be axiomatically restarted by tdeinit... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: do you see the tdelauncher in the running processes? |
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| agneli | no |
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| agneli | I do not |
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| agneli | i see nothing relevant in the logs |
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| agneli | and I do not see any tde related log in the /var/log |
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| agneli | and if I start it manually it refuses to start |
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| agneli | >> [tdelauncher] This program is not supposed to be started manually. |
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| Fat-Zer_ | only system logs go to /var/log |
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| Fat-Zer_ | for user-related you may find something useful in ~/.xsession-errors, but most likely there will be nothing interesting... |
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| agneli | so what shall I do? seppuku is thie only option? :) |
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| Fat-Zer_ | I'd suggest you to just restart the session and if the problem persists fill a bug report... |
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| Fat-Zer_ | AFAIS
the tdelauncher supposed to be started by the tdeinit and restarted if
it crashes... I don't think there's a way to restart it manually... |
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| agneli | restart is such a win/android/google/m$ solution :( |
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| agneli | I have gentoo compilation ongoing... |
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| agneli | on a kvm |
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| agneli | I'd hate to stop it... |
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| agneli | no way to tell tdeinit to restart it? I am a little affarid to touch tdeinit for the reason above |
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| agneli | anyway thank you for your time |
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| Fat-Zer_ | agneli: you may just try to restart tdeinit.... it looks like it just kills its previous instance |
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| Fat-Zer_ | although I'm not actually sure how this will affect the session... it may leave some stale processes after logout... |
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| agneli | i guess I will survive without the launcher |
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| agneli | however yes, the problem persists, it returns from time to time |
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| agneli | and so far logging out was the only option |
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| SlavekB | Running /opt/trinity/bin/tdeinit is safe to do within an existing session. |
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| agneli | but i have not seen that on any other install |
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| agneli | OK Slavek, thx |
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| agneli | great success! 00:00:00 tdelauncher [tdeinit] |
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| agneli | all works :) |
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| agneli | I was sure there is a better way than get out of the car and get in to get the motor running again :) |
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| SlavekB | Running tdeinit in a session like this is especially useful after installing updates. |
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| agneli | Thanks :) updates are on guest issues are on the host ;) |
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| agneli | but that solves my only issue I have with this install... |
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| agneli | Slavek, since you are here, please where I need to look to find how the %h and %d are implemented in tdm |
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| agneli | I failed ot find anything related in the files named tdm |
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| agneli | none of those options give fqdn on tdm greeter |
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| agneli | and I need that :D |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/src/branch/master/tdm/kfrontend/tdmconfig.cpp#L115 |
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| agneli | hmmm |
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| agneli | Thank you! |
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| Tekk_ | Where are the tarballs found? I can't links anywhere while I'm poking around |
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| Tekk_ | Not on the release notes, not on the front page, etc. |
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| SlavekB | http://www.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php |
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| SlavekB | ...link Get Trinity on front page :) |
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| Tekk_ | Thanks :) |
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| Tekk_ | I was not expecting the source tarballs to be under the "Get packages" link |
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| Space_Man | dcop communication error https://paste.debian.net/1183382/ https://imgur.com/a/6f18xuB |
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| Space_Man | after using gparted to rename a partition |
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| Space_Man | I've seen these errors before |
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| Space_Man | always after using the admin password |
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| Space_Man | sudo using the graphical prompt, pop up window |
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| Space_Man | debian testing |
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| Space_Man | trying to start konqueror https://paste.debian.net/1183384/ |
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| SlavekB | What are the permissions on the file /run/user/1000/ICEauthority ? |
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| SlavekB | Is the file owned by a user with id 1000? |
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| Space_Man | ls -l ICEauthority |
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| Space_Man | -rw------- 1 root root 189 Jan 30 20:30 ICEauthority |
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| SlavekB | Obviously, this is not owned by user 1000. |
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| Space_Man | is root id 1000 |
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| Space_Man | is 1000 the logged in person? |
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| SlavekB | I assume that uid 1000 is the currently logged in user => therefore trying to access the file /run/user/1000/ICEauthority |
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| SlavekB | The su / sudo switch seems to have changed the file owner unwantedly or created a new file with the root owner. |
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| Space_Man | a simple chown appears to have fixed the problem |
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| Space_Man | trying gparted again |
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| Space_Man | and quit gparted, everything is fine |
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| Fat-Zer | Does
anybody monitors comments on the weblate about mistakes in the source
strings? Or It'd be better to create a PR straight to the gitea? |
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| SlavekB | Doing PR in Gitea seems like a better idea. |
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| Fat-Zer | ok.... got it... |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB:
by the word, I've noticed that change to each individual component on
weblate results in a separate commit... did you considered to configure
the squash addon? |
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| Fat-Zer | https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/addons.html#squash-git-commits |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I noticed this addon, but I haven't explored its options for the resulting commit log. |
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| SlavekB | Now I'm reading this - the Per author option could be good. |
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| agneli | i am looking for a file/place where trinity stores the session to reopen windows after login, please? |
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| agneli | I found what I wanted |
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| agneli | ;) |
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| OverLimit | I found what I wanted ## cool .. kuz i have no idea what you meant ;) what did you find and where ? |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | oops wrong distro .. the other one does not have this .. never mind |
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| Selk | Ouch.. I have the following build error trying to upgrade tdelibs to the latest release: |
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| Selk | http://ix.io/2OoL |
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| Selk | I tried to pass "-ldl" to the linker flags via -DCMAKE_SHARED_LINKER_FLAGS:STRING= |
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| Selk | But tdelibs does not seem to take the argument |
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| Selk | Uhm |
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| Selk | It looks like I have to use -DCMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS= for passing flags when it creates executables... |
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| Selk | No luck. :( |
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| SlavekB | lt_dlsym is defined in in libltdl/ltdl.c => target ltdlc-static which is already linked to tdecore-shared. |
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| Selk | Hi SlavekB! |
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| SlavekB | Hi Selk |
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| Selk | SlavekB:
I only see this flags when build, before the error:
-lICE -lSM -lz -ludev -ldbus-1-tqt -ltqt -ltqt-mt -lXrender -lX11 -lc |
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| Selk | SlavekB: You probably have a patched version of libtool, what distro are you using? |
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| SlavekB | Build on all supported versions of Debian, Ubuntu, Raspbian and also on FreeBSD. |
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| SlavekB | I
don't think libtool affects it. There is something strange there when
compiling libltdl/ltdl.c into libltdlc.a, which is then linked to
tdecore. |
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| Selk | SlavekB: I will try later, I have to go for now.. I will let you know, thanks. |
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| pitriss | Hi
guys, I found out that kmix can't handle volume level on PI4 correctly.
It is able to do something but range is drastically limited (eg
86-100%) |
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| pitriss | and volume control for kicker is bugged diferently. It can lower the sound volume but it gets stuck on 0 level then |
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| agneli | speaking about the rpi... |
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| agneli | can I ask a question not related to tde? or will I be kicked for this? :) |
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| pitriss | Feel free to ask |
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| pitriss | we are not so strict here |
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| agneli | do you have/had oryginal pi? |
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| pitriss | Nope..
I got convinced to buy one when pi4 8GB model was released.. Colleague
claimed that it is not powerful enough for common desktop use. And I
accepted his challenge.. :) |
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| pitriss | BTW: devuan beowulf from custom image and with good cooling and overclock to 2100MHz it is ok for daily use |
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| agneli | Achhh :( |
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| pitriss | Another SBC I have is bananapi M2Ultra with debian stretch on it.. And it is my personal plex server |
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| agneli | I am trying to understand why the ff package in raspbian is marked +rpi1 |
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| agneli | while it is not working on rpi1 at all due to neon |
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| pitriss | not
sure.. But raspian is messed up IMHO. The longer i am member on channel
for that unofficial image builder, the more I understand why raspian/
Raspberry OS is bad choice |
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| agneli | god... I god fed up with the rasberry children I quit whole irc client heheheh |
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| agneli | reading logs :) |
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| agneli | so you are there? |
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| agneli | I asked how they are building ff |
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| agneli | as we did cleaned it of neon |
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| agneli | at least we think we did |
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| agneli | but is still pulls some libs which most probably we omitted |
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| agneli | so I pulle out rpi1, apparently still supported |
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| agneli | no neon there |
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| agneli | and installed raspbian |
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| agneli | and the ff marked +rpi1 |
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| agneli | in hopes to get some light |
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| agneli | and logged on irc channel... yes you are right |
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| agneli | it is a bad choice |
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| agneli | enough ;) |
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| pitriss | and did you tried to compiler yourself any other browser? |
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| pitriss | compile* |
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| agneli | depends what do you mean compile |
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| agneli | I am on gentoo |
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| agneli | so basically I compile everything |
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| pitriss | ahh |
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| agneli | for the ff it was not me, I am just an assistant |
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| agneli | a colleague removed all neon and build it |
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| agneli | but still crashed due to illegal instruction -> neon |
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| agneli | I even compiled this falkon Fat-Zer suggested once :) |
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| pitriss | MAybe I would try some alternative web browser first.. smaller steps.. chromium or FF are just too bloated |
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| agneli | I must admit I liked it, but no furter developement (I joined tehir channel) |
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| agneli | and communist chrome behind it :( |
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| agneli | this falkon was much faster than ff |
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| pitriss | palemoon? |
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| agneli | I tested it on an old T9900 with 8GiB RAM |
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| agneli | palemoon has no neon... ;) |
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| pitriss | I don't use it since they switched to their own rendering core |
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| agneli | it really seems perfect |
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| agneli | but I admit it looks some how dated for me |
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| agneli | which is strange as I generaly prefer old things... |
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| pitriss | Lookm can be adjusted by extensions |
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| agneli | i have no idea why is it so... |
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| pitriss | It is just fork of old firefox and I guess they still maintain compatibility with old extensions |
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| agneli | yes... they can... I usually do not have time for that... but well one day |
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| agneli | I think so, yes |
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| * agneli recommends lynx :) |
| pitriss | lynx was good back in the times when blank site with one form field did not needed half Meg of ajax BS behind |
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| agneli | pitriss: lynx keeps the bs away from me very well |
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| agneli | + being very easy on my eyes |
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| pitriss | but sad fact most pages does not work well without it.. (eg without js I was unable to even log in to my routers admin page) |
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| agneli | then I do not visit them |
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| agneli | well there are proper *nix tools to see the logs |
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| agneli | you do not need crap to see them :) |
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| agneli | tail, head, sed, grep, awk, etc... |
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| agneli | as David Lee Roth has said: "Let's put X back into computing" :) |
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| SlavekB | But the router's admin page is not just about reading the log... ;) |
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| agneli | well then there is a thing called vi SlavekB to edit configs |
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| agneli | :D |
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| agneli | anyway - I do not want seen as some kind of stubborn old school |
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| agneli | jsut to be clear - everybdoy used what she/he likes/loves/etc |
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| agneli | the Party did not conquer whole world yet... ;) |
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| pitriss | I wish that poor thingy had ssh and busybox...:) |
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| agneli | I routinely revemove stock firmware for openwrt... but probably not every device support this... |
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| agneli | unles you have big ones - Cisco thingy? :) |
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| pitriss | Lol nope.. here it is not economical to have this.. |
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| pitriss | I
plan to do renovation of electricity in this house.. And when I do
that, then i will put also UTP cables in the wall.. so there will be
space for proper IT equipement.. |
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| pitriss | And I'm quite fan of Unifi stuff.. Its beauty is in install and forget |
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| SlavekB | I prefer devices where the first step can be "replace firmware with OpenWRT" :) |
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| pitriss | hehe, I worked with unifi before and it just works.. |
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| agneli | SlavekB: yes yes yes! |
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| agneli | and no firmware controlled by the Party :) |
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| pitriss | ..it is stable enough for small home network:) |
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| agneli | which leads me to a question, is there any reasonably modern router that can be flashed with OpenWRT |
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| agneli | and has no closed source binary blobs? |
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| agneli | I never came across any such devices... |
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| SlavekB | I have a favorite TP-Link Archer C7. |
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| SlavekB | If
you want a more powerful and versatile device, you might be interested
in Turris, which is directly designed for using OpenWRT. |
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| agneli | never heard I need to rtfm, thank you |
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| agneli | TP-Link, I used to like them, now idk... They are continental or Taiwan? |
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| SlavekB | Headquarters: Shenzhen |
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| agneli | oho... |
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| cinnamint | |
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| cinnamint | trend
2021 2/8 top song of the day youtube.com/watch?v=ASGgn8bNQuA : it s
magic - pilot : Broadcast date: 8-2-1975-02-08 !? co incidence or
conspiracy ? ;) |
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| agneli | gentoo, installing trinity-base/kweather, I am getting an error about a missing file |
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| agneli | file failed to open for reading (No such file or directory): |
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| agneli | I am not sure even which file from the logs :) |
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| agneli | is this sth fixable or shall I live with it until new version is in place, please? |
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| SlavekB | agneli, you can report the issue to https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo/issues |
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| agneli | SlavekB: I am not sure whether it is my fault |
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| agneli | cmake
seems to complain about this file missing:
/var/tmp/portage/trinity-base/kweather-9999/work/kweather-9999_build/kweather/weather_stations.desktop |
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| agneli | and I do have a file called weather_stations.desktop.out, in this very directory |
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| agneli | and that file has 0 lenght... |
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| SlavekB | aha, this will definitely be related to recent changes in the git tree. Do you have an updated common cmake module? |
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| agneli | cmake module = gentoo or trinity? |
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| SlavekB | trinity common cmake module |
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| agneli | this is not imediately obvious :) |
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| agneli | OK,
I think so yes, after syncing there is not a single update avaliable to
trinity packages, and I am sure I am syncing trinity as well as emerge
reports it was synced :) |
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| cinnamint | agneli:
any reasonably modern router that can be ## depends what you mean by
modern ;) ? maybe put a good classic between you and the forced
connection hardware ? |
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| linuxoid85 | Hello all! Привет всем! |
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| Selk | Hi everybody! |
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| OverLimit | spam! |
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| OverLimit | BCC: *@*.* |
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| OverLimit | some
day some one will push an update that accidentally makes that work ..
then many years later before anyone figures it .. some geek trys it
expecting it to fail </roll credits> |
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| * OverLimit wonders if anyone ever put an actual email bot into an irc channel |
| OverLimit | HELO |
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| OverLimit | oops .. |
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| OverLimit | HELO |
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| OverLimit | <crickets> |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | /exec -o pwd |
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| OverLimit | <output redacted> |
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| Selk | SlavekB: https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/pulls/126 |
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| agneli | I
have a question: why time zone for india in the kde clock is
represented by Kolkata? and not by the New Delhi which is the capital?
There are devs from West Bengal but none from the capital, please? :) |
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| agneli | and
another question: on devuan/debian there is a package called
tdepowersave-trinity, grepping through trinity.live.keywords shows just
screensaver to contain word save... |
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| agneli | is it in some other package on gentoo, please? |
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| agneli | for the kweather applet I am ready to admit it is not my fault :) I will see if I am skilled enough open an issue... |
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| SlavekB | You
can see in the build log whether the stations.dat and
weather_stations.desktop are being properly generated there? This is a
call to genstations.pl. |
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| Selk | Hi SlavekB! |
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| Selk | After
applying the patch to tdelibs, I have continued trying to build
tdebase, but I get the error that the kickerSettings.h header is
missing, do you know if this header is provided by tdelibs? |
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| agneli | SlavekB: I do have a file called weather_stations.desktop.out, in the build direcorty and that file is 0 bytes long |
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| agneli | I do not have neither weather_stations.desktop nor stations.dat |
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| agneli | when I run manually genstations.pl I am getting few errors about missing files, which are probably unrelated |
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| omegabr | um anyone have segfaults with artsd on fedora? well cuz im having that |
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| omegabr | uh |
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| omegabr | well |
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| omegabr | cya |
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| omegabr | hi im back |
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| Selk | Is the backtrace library a separated dependency for tdelibs/tdebase? |
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| SlavekB | See CMake: |
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| SlavekB | https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindBacktrace.html |
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| Selk | Hi SlavekB! Thanks, I will take a look |
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| Selk | Interesting |
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| Selk | BTW, I can't start TDE again, I am receiving the error about "Connection socket failed" |
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| Selk | I found this thread https://www.spinics.net/lists/trinity-users/msg02491.html |
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| Selk | Exists a source for "kgtk-qt3-trinity" ? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, of course |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/kgtk-qt3 |
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| Selk | Oh |
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| Selk | Thx. |
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| Selk | And this is related with the start of TDE? |
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| Selk | Because
when start for first time, ksmserver produces a crash saying that it
cannot save a document (I don't know which document is) |
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| Selk | After exitting from X11, I see the message about "Connection socket failed: : No such file or directory" |
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| SlavekB | This
package is a "hack" for GTK applications. However, because it acts as a
preload library, it can have an adverse effect on other applications as
well. |
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| SlavekB | If you didn't build it, you probably don't have it installed => it can't cause you a problem. |
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| Selk | I will try to rebuild tdelibs and tdebase with the backtrace library to see if I can see more... |
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| Selk | No luck, there is no backtrace(3) in Musl. I can't see more in the error dialog |
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| Selk | But it says that ksmserver crashes (SIGNAL 11) "... The application was asked to save its documents." |
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| Selk | Hmmm interesting... dmesg reveals a segfault from libpython3.9.so.1 |
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| denk | attach gdb to a process, do something to reproduce the crash and see what happened in gdb |
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| Selk | Yeah.. but before gdb produces a segfault because it is linked with libpython3.9.so.1 |
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| Selk | I suspect it is the stripping... |
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| Selk | I am going to check the build, configuration, etc. |
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| denk | it does not matter if your attach the right process |
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| denk | *you |
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| denk | also if a script produces sigsegv, just try to run it in the command line |
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| Selk | Woops.. just running "gdb" produces segmentation fault. |
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| denk | sometimes I saw such errors, in this case I can use dbx or mdb, what can be used on your linux is the question to penguins :) |
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| Selk | hehe. Anyway, thanks denk for the tips |
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| Selk | denk: I removed the build CFLAGS for Python 3.9.1 and I updated GDB (from 9.2) to the version 10.1 |
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| Selk | GDB now works. |
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| Selk | *Build Flags |
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| denk | my congratulations, now dig into the deep core :) |
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| * Selk Looking forward for TDE! |
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| Selk | SlavekB: What version of CMake are you using on FreeBSD? |
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| SlavekB | On FreeBSD is now CMake 3.17.3 |
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| Selk | Wow.. |
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| Selk | I was using Cmake 3.19.4, 3.19.5 was recently released |
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| Selk | Ninja is 1.10.2... |
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| SlavekB | Ninja on FreeBSD is 1.10.0 |
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| Selk | Interesting. |
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| Selk | Well.. I am rebuilding everything since the latest changes and other important changes, this time with cmake 3.19.5... |
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| Selk | I will see (later) if the error occurs with tdelibs (without the patch, of course) |
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| Selk | SlavekB: If your plans are to change the channel topic, maybe you can try with the TOPIC command from ChanServ... |
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| SlavekB | The
problem is that for such changes, I first need to get an "op" ... and
when tbottu is present, he immediately deducts the permission obtained
:( |
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| Selk | Try via /msg |
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| Selk | /msg ChanServ topic #trinity-desktop Hello |
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| SlavekB | Topic cannot be set by anyone. |
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| SlavekB | To get permission to set a topic, I need to get the "op" first. |
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| SlavekB | ...and when tbottu is online, that's not possible. |
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| Selk | Do you like Old West movies? |
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| Selk | What if you try getting the op and suddenly (fast) you change your nick.. before the tbottu deop... |
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| Selk | hehe |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it would have to be cruelly fast :) |
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| SlavekB | Never
mind - there is currently no need to change the topic, so I will
continue to wait for the situation until tbottu will have an outage :) |
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| SlavekB | tbottu, don't you want to go for a walk? ;) |
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| tbottu | SlavekB: Error: "don't" is not a valid command. |
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| Selk | SlavekB: Can you type "whoami" ? |
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| SlavekB | whoami :) |
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| SlavekB | /whoami |
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| Selk | Prefix tbottu |
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| Selk | tbottu: whoami |
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| tbottu | Selk: I don't recognize you. |
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| SlavekB | tbottu: whoami |
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| tbottu | SlavekB: I don't recognize you. |
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| Selk | Oh, you don't access with the bot :-( |
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| Selk | *You don't have |
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| SlavekB | ... well, well, tbottu, don't be angry :) |
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| SlavekB | This is a bot that Tim has on his server. |
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| Selk | If you have access/permissions you can identify, but I guess you don't have |
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| Selk | It looks like it has a lot of commands. |
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| Selk | tbottu: stats |
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| tbottu | Selk: I have 0 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 0 owners and 0 admins. |
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| Selk | Oh. |
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| SlavekB | It is obvious that we need to prepare a new bot in the future. |
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| Selk | .. And you can deop tbottu via ChanServ? |
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| OverLimit | new mars rover landing approx 5 hours |
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| OverLimit | yay we did it .. no splat |
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| bobmaxey | ?? |
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| bobmaxey | Greetings |
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| sabasedigh | hello |
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| sabasedigh | I change xft.dpi in /.Xresources and rebooted. but it doesn't get picked up by trinity. after login |
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| sabasedigh | only after xrdb -load ~/.Xresources I get the desired dpi |
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| sabasedigh | So the trinity parts like taskbar. menu and ... aren't get the dpi I want |
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| sabasedigh | any solution?????? |
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| sabasedigh | Thanks |
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| sabasedigh | anyone PLZ? |
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| a-865 | hmmm |
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| sabasedigh | hello |
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| sabasedigh | any one could answer my question???? |
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| sabasedigh | I have the same problem after waking up from suspend state. |
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| sabasedigh | anyone in this channel ? |
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| sabasedigh | plz? |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: you left while I was discovering an answer to you earlier |
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| sabasedigh | ok |
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| a-865 | ATM I'm powerless to rediscover an answer |
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| sabasedigh | It was network disconnect |
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| sabasedigh | lucky me. |
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| a-865 | give me an hour or more and probably I can find it |
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| sabasedigh | should trinity read ~/.Xresource on every login? |
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| sabasedigh | or does it read something else. |
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| sabasedigh | a-865; ? |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: going to be a while longer |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: which Linux OS are you using? |
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| sabasedigh | a-865 Q4OS |
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| sabasedigh | I wait |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: looking now... |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh:
Xft.dpi is not a universal DPI setting. It comes from GTK/Gnome. I set
DPI sometimes via /etc/X11/xorg.con*, but more ususally in a global
startup script. |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh:
TDE DPI override lives in ~/.trinity/share/config/kcmfonts as
forceFontDPI= in section [General]. When I put 143 there parts of
desktop, and GTK apps, recognize DPI of 143, but others only 96. |
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| a-865 | The KControl UI only allows a choice between 120 and 96, defaulting to 96 when override is not enabled. |
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| a-865 | Most
often I use a startup script on Debian and its derivatives in
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/ containing e.g. "xrandr --dpi 143". Most apps
recognize this DPI, but not the UI in Mozilla's GTK3 apps, and I suppose
other GTK apps. Those need Xft.dpi set. |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: when I use .Xresources to set Xft.dpi: 143, KControl and Kicker both use it. |
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| a-865 | xft.dpi: ### is not valid. You must use Xft.dpi: ###. |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh:
to apply .Xresources Xft.dpi change, only X restart is required, not
rebooting. X by default is not restarted simply by logging out of TDE
session. If you want that to happen, you must modify
/etc/trinity/tdm/tdmrc, making TerminateServer=true. |
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| sabasedigh | a-865; Thank you Felix Loads of informations. very nice. So What I gather is this: |
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| sabasedigh | I have to combine aall of these tricks togather for universal ui dpi. Yes? |
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| sabasedigh | Thank you mate; brilliant absolutely brilliant . |
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| agneli | I
am struggling to get openorienteering-mapper compiled on tde... I am
not sure if this is related but probably you could point me what I need
to do: https://paste.debian.net/1186449 |
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| agneli | some Qt5 libraries probably... shall I install whole Qt5? |
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| SlavekB | It seems to be part of qttools5-dev. |
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| SlavekB | I have no idea how much of Qt5 libraries it will require to install. |
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| agneli | thx SlavekB :) |
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| agneli | for the moment I am pullilng just qthelp apparently sth like this exists... |
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| agneli | btw, I am not sure how usefull this can be but I have switched from exegnulinux to gentoo with tde and change is big |
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| agneli | the reason for the change was the fact that exegnulinux was having these tdelauncher issues |
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| agneli | that, as per you guys were not possible to even happen :) + random crashes of the whole tde |
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| agneli | no such thing happens on gentoo with tde |
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| agneli | it is rock solid for now |
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| SlavekB | That surprises me. I have been using Debian for many years and do not notice any disturbing problems. |
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| agneli | hard to tell |
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| agneli | I have also 2 installations of devuan with tde directly |
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| SlavekB | ...while I usually have sessions running for a long time and continuously installing TDE updates as they are in PSB. |
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| agneli | but not enough testing to say anything yet |
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| agneli | it is directly about exegnulinux & gentoo - I used the ascii version for quite some time |
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| agneli | and it was crashig every second day |
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| agneli | I never had debian with tde |
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| agneli | or maybe I did - I do not remember :) |
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| SlavekB | Devuan is very close to Debian. |
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| agneli | hehehe that is a tricky statement Sir |
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| agneli | I dare to say it is about ideology ;) |
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| SlavekB | I
observe instability only on one machine, where for some reason from
time to time the Xserver itself crashes. But that doesn't look like
anything related to TDE. |
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| agneli | is that machine intel based SlavekB, please? |
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| SlavekB | Yes, it has an Intel graphics card. |
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| agneli | hehehe |
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| agneli | ;) |
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| agneli | most probably that is the reason... |
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| agneli | i can see companies moving to amd due to intel platform quirks, especially on linux |
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| agneli | I would blame my issues with exe on that very thing (but not tdelauncher and similar) |
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| agneli | strange enough on gentoo after microcode update nothing happens... |
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| agneli | but comming back to tde - this weather app - I never solved the issue |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: which intel Graphics?: 'inxi -Ga' & 'lspci -nnk | grep -i VGA' each report device ID |
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| SlavekB | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
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| SlavekB | [8086:0152] |
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| SlavekB | Currently on Debian Buster (with kernel 4.19). |
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| agneli | is it using i915 dirver? |
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| SlavekB | yes, it uses i915 in kernel and modeset for Xorg. |
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| SlavekB | Crashes always concern only Xorg - the machine as such continues to run and after the crash the TDM login screen pops up again. |
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| SlavekB | Crashes are accidental and not very common. The last time was on February 3. |
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| agneli | yes Sir |
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| agneli | for me it was, even on daily basis on main workstation |
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| agneli | it stopped when I moved to gentoo |
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| a-865 | 8086:0152 is Ivy Bridge, not what I was anticipating |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: you might try using intel DDX |
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| agneli | a-865:
I am not saying you are wrong, it is just I think I was using exactly
that for X, but last message in logs always pointed to i915 |
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| agneli | so definitely I am curious about the results |
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| SlavekB | Autoconfiguration as possible variants seems to find modesetting, fbdev and vesa. |
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| agneli | no intel? |
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| agneli | maybe that is the reason you had issues less often SlavekB :) |
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| SlavekB | I have no idea if this would require a newer Xorg driver for Intel than in Buster. |
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| agneli | https://packages.debian.org/buster/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| agneli | if it does not list as a possibility you do not have this package installed imho |
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| agneli | but
should you do this... idk, intel seems to be getting notoroius for
their recent acheivement... I am aware of big projects that replace
intel into amd or m1 |
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| SlavekB | Of course, the xserver-xorg-video-intel package is installed. |
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| agneli | then X should detect the driver, shouldn't it? I am no expert :) |
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| SlavekB | It
is possible that the hardware needs a newer xorg driver than the one in
Buster and therefore the autodetection does not show it. |
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| agneli | that
would be strange as mine chip is newer (by 2 gens if a-865 is correct)
and I used older system, ascii is based on stretch I think |
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| a-865 | SlavekB: intel DDX on Debian is in xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| SlavekB | Yes, I know - it's installed. However, autodetection does not find it suitable for this card. |
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| a-865 | Intel devs informally deprecated the intel DDX 7 years ago |
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| a-865 | you can dictate intel driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-intel.conf to see if it helps |
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| a-865 | actually anywhere in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| SlavekB | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is not present on the respective machine |
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| a-865 | it's an optional directory |
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| a-865 | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-intel.conf |
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| a-865 | Section "Device" |
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| a-865 | Identifier"Intel Kludges" |
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| a-865 | Driver"intel" |
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| a-865 | #Option"AccelMethod""sna"# new method |
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| a-865 | #Option"AccelMethod""uxa"# old method |
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| a-865 | #Option"CustomEDID"""# string |
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| a-865 | #Option"ReprobeOutputs" "on"# default off |
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| a-865 | EndSection |
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| SlavekB | Is there a way to get a list of supported cards from the driver? |
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| a-865 | all my Intel IGPs supported by the Modesetting DDX are using it |
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| a-865 | not that I am aware of |
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| a-865 | anything from 2008 thru 2020 is most likely best supported by Modesetting DDX, with Intel DDX as option |
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| a-865 | older than around 2008 is Intel DDX only |
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| a-865 | newer than 2008 Intel DDX is simply a possible option that may or may not work better |
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| a-865 | agneli: i915 is the kernel driver for the overwhelming majority of 64 bit Intel IGPs |
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| sabasedigh | helloi |
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| sabasedigh | hello |
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| agneli | how can i "refresh" tde menu? I installed software but the *.desktop does not seem to be visible in the menu... |
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| SlavekB | tdebuildsycoca |
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| agneli | worked! :) |
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| agneli | Thank you SlavekB |
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| SlavekB | you're welcome |
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| a-865 | why
do upgrades from 14.previous to 14.current on Mageia always fail to
install trinity-tdelibs due to unsatisfied /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt?
I have to download with wget and install with rpm -Uvh --nodeps. |
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| a-865 | might be a 32bit thing |
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| a-865 | /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt exists |
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| SlavekB | For problems with RPM packages, it is better to send mail to mailing list because François usually is not here on IRC. |
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| SlavekB | It is possible that the file is physically, but there is no RPM package that declared it belongs to it? |
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| a-865 | ca-bundle.crt
is a symlink to
/etc/pki/ca-trust/extracted/openssl/ca-bundle.trust.crt, which is owned
by rootcerts-20201201.00-1.mga7 |
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| SlavekB | And the /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt symlink is owned by some package? |
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| a-865 | rootcerts |
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| a-865 | oops |
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| a-865 | composing list mail now |
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| sabasedigh | a-865;
Hello Felix. You are on megia yes? Way back I was told that among
mandark off-shoots the openmandariva is the most up to date one. Does it
hold the same today? |
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| sabasedigh | && Hello you all. |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: my primary is openSUSE. Mageia 8 is due for release in about a week. I don't remember if I ever tried openmandriva. |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh:
I have lots of PCs, openSUSE on all, mageia on some, fedora on some,
debian on some, ubuntu on some, mint on a few. Mageia is what I would be
using if there was no openSUSE. |
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| sabasedigh | a-865 oh, Ok |
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| sabasedigh | So you prefer OpenSuse |
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| sabasedigh | Does opensuse support tde as well? |
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| agneli | anything that can compile tde supports it, am I wrong, please? |
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| sabasedigh | agneli; No per say. but what makes a desktop env a usable one is the integration and that's my point. |
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| agneli | ach, OK! :) |
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| sabasedigh | hassle
of compiling and deps aside. you compile it. what then. if it seqfaults
right and left or clashes with some native service on the os. What is
the use .. aye... |
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| sabasedigh | agneli you are an Arch person? |
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| sabasedigh | Glad to meet U |
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| sabasedigh | :D |
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| agneli | gentoo newbie with strong inclination for lfs ;) |
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| agneli | glad to meet you sabasedigh! |
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| sabasedigh | agneli how new are you? to the gentoo |
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| agneli | idk, few weeks maybe |
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| Selk | Hi everyone! |
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| Selk | I am having troubles with tdm, it does not work.. the log shows that the file "tdmdistrc" is missing |
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| Selk | I wonder if it is related to the problem..? |
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| SlavekB | tdmdistc is optional and not necessary to exist. |
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| Selk | Ok. There is an example or a distributed file for "tdmdistrc" ? |
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| SlavekB | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/src/branch/master/debian/_base/metapackages/redmond-default-settings/debian/distrospecific/tdmdistrc |
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| SlavekB | The
file may contain the same options, as a common tdmrc, just that the
default values can be overrided by distribution specific values. |
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| Selk | SlavekB: Thx! |
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| Selk | I've run `tdm -debug 0x800' which produces a strace log |
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| Selk | Now I am seeing that it is requiring "nscd" (/var/run/nscd/socket) |
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| Selk | There is not an internal "nscd" in Musl. |
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| SlavekB | It is as a separately installable package on Debian ... built from source code glibc. |
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| SlavekB | https://packages.debian.org/buster/nscd |
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| Selk | How critical is if there is no "nscd" ? |
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| SlavekB | It's not any obstacle at all. |
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| SlavekB | NSCD can be useful if user source is available from external services - such as NIS, LDAP, Winbind,... |
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| Selk | Okidoki, I will continue checking the log file.. |
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| SlavekB | BTW, there is also a new implementation: |
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| SlavekB | https://packages.debian.org/buster/unscd |
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| Selk | Sounds good, but probably it won't work well for Musl |
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| Selk | https://github.com/pikhq/musl-nscd |
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| Selk | Probably I should add nscd after all |
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| Selk | Because one of the things that I've see before trying to start TDE |
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| Selk | is that it can't create a socket, that was the message when I was dropped on the command-line |
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| Selk | But if you say that it is not an obstacle, I don't know what to think |
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| SlavekB | As I said - this is not a necessary component, but it can be useful to increase the performance for users and groups resolving. |
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| SlavekB | I commonly use it if the source of users / groups are not files, but NIS or LDAP. |
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| Selk | Interesting. |
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| Selk | BTW, under Debian, TDE is build with hardening flags? |
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| SlavekB | This is left to the default setting. As far as I know, on newer distributions hardening flags are set by default. |
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| Selk | An the own MMAP from TDE is prefered over the libc implementation? |
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| Selk | *And |
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| Selk | (I'm trying to adjust things here and there in order to run TDE properly) |
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| SlavekB | If it is available in glibc, it is used - from CMakeListst.txt in tdelibs: |
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| SlavekB | check_function_exists( mmap HAVE_MMAP ) |
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| SlavekB | check_function_exists( munmap HAVE_MUNMAP ) |
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| Selk | Thx |
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| Selk | the strace log is huge, but I see the error about the socket again |
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| Selk | It says that the "socket connection failed" |
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| Selk | I will try adding nscd and see what happens, I have to add it anyway :-) |
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| Selk | SlavekB: It is recommended to build, distribute TDE with the build type "RelWithDebInfo" by default for all the components? |
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| sabasedigh | hello |
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| sabasedigh | I have an executable script. I want to double click on it then konqueror ask me to run or edit the script. IS this POSSIBLE? |
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| sabasedigh | a-865 👆 |
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| OverLimit | yes .. but i gtg .. someone else might be able to help .. ttys |
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| agneli | sabasedigh: i just created a file called test.sh on my desktop |
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| agneli | insite i just put kwrite - one word nothign else |
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| agneli | i click on it and it opens kwrite |
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| agneli | is this what you want? |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: I run TDE on openSUSE test installations, KDE3 on 24/7 system (this) |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: you always leave here right before I see your message to me |
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| sabasedigh | a-865; Yup. Sorry for leaving |
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| sabasedigh | it is network issue |
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| sabasedigh | plz do continue ... |
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| sabasedigh | I am listening |
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| sabasedigh | Do you know a solution for this: |
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| sabasedigh | Error
when attempting to decrypt the wallet kdewallet using GPG. If you're
using a SmartCard, please ensure it's inserted then try again. |
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| sabasedigh | GPG error was No data |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: I know nothing about GPG or Kwallet |
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| sabasedigh | a-865 does anyone know here about it? |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: you might have better luck on mailing list users@trinitydesktop.org |
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| a-865 | sabasedigh: https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/ |
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| pitriss | Guys
please where I can turn off that fading gradient that appears while
trying to log out etc? I can't find it again:( I'm currently on PTB |
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| SlavekB | Trinity Control Center / TDE Components / Session Manager / Show fancy logout fadeaway and Show logout fadeaway. |
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| SlavekB | I usually turn off "fancy" mode and leave the normal logout fadeaway on. |
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| pitriss | thanks.. |
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| pitriss | BTW
I noticed some performance issues on the raspberry pi4 while using dual
head with pivot screen. Konversation on the pivot screen is rendering
painfully slow on pivot screen and on the regular screen rendering is
ok.. It does even with the same size of the window.. FIx is easy as
dragging window to the second screen.. Any ideas? |
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| pitriss | damn my typing skills today sucks.. sorry.. Hope it makes sense |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: I want to double check.. Is PTB repo for arm64 also for debian bullseye / devuan chimaera? |
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| SlavekB | yes, there are both armhf and arm64. |
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| SlavekB | ...of course next to amd64, i386 and ppc64el :) |
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| pitriss | ok
thanks.. I want to upgrade OS on my Pi4 to Chimaera because of mesa
version and vulkan drivers.. It should boost performance of playing
videos at least.. |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly I didn't found any vulkan based compositor which should be doable (according some websites) |
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| SlavekB | I've done both of these builds because sometime in the future I want to try fully arm64 on PinebookPro |
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| pitriss | SlavekB:
I am already using it on Pi4 and it runs nicely.. And now I'm about to
upgrade to chimaera to just have vulkan ready.. As my tests with some
really hacky version of selfcompiled vulkan driver really helped with
1080p videos played through smplayer with mpv backend |
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| pitriss | btw https://github.com/KDE/kwin/tree/fredrik/vulkan //unfortunatelly it died. |
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| SlavekB | I had Debian Stretch pre-installed on armhf with the arm64 kernel and I haven't found enough time to change it significantly :) |
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| SlavekB | Recently I started a partial upgrade to Buster and this caused me to fail to play MOV and MP4 videos (from digital cameras). |
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| SlavekB | On Stretch, it played video fine, but the sound fell off. |
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| pitriss | Ok so I finally dist upgraded my arm64 devuan to testing.. Looks like it works nice.. |
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| Fat-Zer | Is there a way to limit notification scope on gitea? |
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| Fat-Zer | I've missed a couple notifications on my issues some time ago due to they got lost among all others... |
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| agneli | I do not know Fat-Zer :( and I was about to be so happy that kweather is now avaliable in the gentoo trinity desktop overlay |
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| agneli | but build has failed :( |
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| Fat-Zer | For the record, I'm not the person you should thank for adding it... |
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| Fat-Zer | although I can look into it but a couple days later... I'm in the process of rebuilding my system now... |
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| agneli | excuse me my mistake |
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| Fat-Zer | np... |
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| Fat-Zer | what's in build.log anyway? |
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| agneli | it is not very urgent, I am already waiting a month or so ;) |
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| agneli | CMake Error at cmake/modules/TDEMacros.cmake:2048 (file): |
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| agneli | file failed to open for reading (No such file or directory): |
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| agneli | /var/tmp/portage/trinity-base/kweather-9999/work/kweather-9999_build/kweather/weather_stations.desktop |
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| agneli | Call Stack (most recent call first): |
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| agneli | kweather/CMakeLists.txt:136 (tde_create_translated_desktop) |
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| agneli | I think these are the key lines |
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| agneli | rest I have a paste |
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| agneli | https://paste.debian.net/1187086/ |
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| Fat-Zer | ok...
it happens because of combination of issues in both tdetoys and
gentoo's packaging... did you report a bug to bugzilla or gitea I can
refer? |
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| Fat-Zer | agneli: ^ |
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| agneli | no I did hot yet, i just tried it when you logged it |
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| agneli | i have a link shared by SlavekB at previous attempt |
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| Fat-Zer | what link? |
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| Fat-Zer | by the word, after all according to git log it was I who added kweather to the repository but it was ages ago... |
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| agneli | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo/issues |
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| agneli | that one |
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| Fat-Zer | agneli: you can go ahead and report it... it would be easier to track it that way... |
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| agneli | Fat-Zer: done |
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| agneli | I hope it is OK |
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| Fat-Zer | yep... fine enough ;) |
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| agneli | thx :) |
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| Selk | Hi guys! |
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| Selk | SlavekB: Glad to see that you obtained op :-) |
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| SlavekB | yes, i managed to capture the moment - it wasn't even two minutes - when tbottu was offline :) |
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| Selk | :-) |
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| Selk | One question, do you know which will be the default path when the option -DWITH_USBIDS is not specified for tdebase? |
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| Fat-Zer | Selk: no default: if WITH_USBIDS is not specified it installs bundled database |
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| Selk | Bundled database means that tdebase has a usb.ids file? |
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| Fat-Zer | yep |
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| Selk | Ah, better to specify the path for the external one... |
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| Selk | Fat-Zer: Are you using TDE under Musl C library? |
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| Fat-Zer | hmm.. no... |
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| Selk | Ok :-) |
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| Fat-Zer | it was a wierdly specific question... |
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| Selk | Well.. yes I am having troubles when ksmserver runs |
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| Selk | I can't start TDE completely :( |
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| Selk | I don't know exactly the problem. |
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| Fat-Zer | I'd suggest to build it (and probably tdelibs) with debug enabled... and turn on the debug output in kdebugrc... |
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| Fat-Zer | *to stderr |
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| Selk | I will. Thx for the suggestion. |
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| agneli | I thought for gentoo there is only the development overlay, am I wrong, please? |
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| SlavekB | There are also ebuilds for stable releases - the latest so far is R14.0.8. |
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| agneli | upss... I was following sth I found on the gentoo page which led me to this unstable on git if I recall correctly... |
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| agneli | where do I need to go to find the stable one, please? |
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| SlavekB | I hope one of the Gentoo users will answer here, because I have no idea how it is used :) |
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| agneli | it is used probably the same way as the unstable ;) |
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| agneli | but
where the overlay could be found - that is the question... I will look
on the web maybe I find if not maybe somebody here answers |
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| agneli | SlavekB: did you manage to solve the intel instability issue maybe, please? |
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| SlavekB | All versions are located in the same overlay. |
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| agneli | hehehehe - then I screwed up something :D :D :D |
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| SlavekB | ...but I have no idea how it is determined there whether to install the "live" (unstable) or stable release. |
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| agneli | SlavekB: that is OK, you already helped me enough, I need to rtfm, as that is probably the root cause hehehehe |
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| agneli | on
the other had machine seems really rock solid, like it neve have been
before, so maybe there is no need to go to stable... it is just he
kweather that is missing... |
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| SlavekB | The problem with kweather should already be resolved in unstable. |
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| agneli | yeah I got an email, but that also made it clear that there is a stable version hence my questions :) |
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| agneli | I confirm it works, I do not need to look out of the window anymore to see if there is sunny or not :) |
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| agneli | what I need to do now? shall I close this bug or something, please? |
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| agneli | and big thanks! :) ;) :) |
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| pitriss | yeah
yeah.. removing a piece of tin foil from the window to see weather
outside is too much work and it hurts when you meet that bright thing
called light. :D Question is why IT does need to know weather.. In the
basement does not rain :D :D |
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| denk | you said weather? |
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| denk | daddy, look in the window, what's the weather! |
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| denk | just a momemt, sonny, open a new window: www.weather.com |
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| pitriss | LOL, exactly :D |
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| agneli | :) |
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| a-865 | where/home can I set an environment variable that only applies when running a TDE session? |
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| a-865 | where/how can I set an environment variable that only applies when running a TDE session? |
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| Fat-Zer | a-865:
you can put it into one of files sourced by starttde script i.e. into
$TDEDIR/env/*.sh for system-wide setting and into ~/.trinity/env/*.sh
for user-only |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB,
haven't you considered to bind the Weblate's auth to the gitea? Gitea
does provides oauth2, isn't it? should be just a matter of couple
settings... |
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| SlavekB | From
the beginning, I'm not sure if a group of developers and a group of
translators are two different groups. Therefore, I left the registration
for these services independent. |
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| SlavekB | We can discuss whether there would be a useful consolidation of accounts. |
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| Fat-Zer | yep, but it's possible to add an option to link the accounts... |
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| Fat-Zer | this way if you already authenticated in gitea you won't be needed to authentificate yourself on the Weblate |
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| Fat-Zer | the same, if you are registering you won't have to reenter your name or e-mail... it will be grabbed from the gitea settings |
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| Fat-Zer | the same way as every other service uses oauth github or google nowadays... |
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| Fat-Zer | *from |
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| Fat-Zer | SlavekB:
I would suggested to integrate both gitea and weblate with the github
auth as well, but I fear you may have strong feelings against it ;) |
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| SlavekB | Yes,
there is a concern that using a github account there will register
random passers-by just because it is possible without them having a real
interest in joining that TDE team. |
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| a-865 | Fat-Zer: thx :) |
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| Fat-Zer | np |
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| a-865 | Fat-Zer: is there an alternative location possible in /etc/trinity/? |
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| Fat-Zer | a-865: /etc/xprofile, but it's not tde-specific... |
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| Fat-Zer | what are you trying to do? |
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| a-865 | ATM I'm trying to remember. :( |
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| Fat-Zer | yep... it's a good think... ;) |
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| a-865 | export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct is needed for YaST2 in openSUSE to utilize TDE's font settings |
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| a-865 | alternative to putting into every user's .profile on every PC |
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| a-865 | there is no /etc/xprofile on openSUSE |
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| a-865 | Fat-Zer: did you mean etc/X11/xprofile? |
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| a-865 | there is no /etc/X11/xprofile on openSUSE either. |
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| * a-865 testing in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrd.d/ script |
| Fat-Zer | just look into your starttde ... it may be patched from one distribution to another to do slightly different stuff.. |
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| Fat-Zer | by default it sources /etc/xprofile among the first actions |
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| a-865 | that's too big for me to find anything in |
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| Fat-Zer | look for the . command... and $TDEDIR/env/*.conf is probably the best location to put any TDE-related variables anyway |
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| a-865 | Putting
the export in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrd.d/ script works for TDE session,
but not for TDM. Adding it to /etc/trinity/tdm/Xsetup works in both. |
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| a-865 | Scratch that. That difference is for xrandr script. |
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| a-865 | It's irrelevant to TDM. |
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| Fat-Zer | both of those will probably messup other DEs... namely kde and lxde... |
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| a-865 | creating /etc/xprofile for it does work |
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| a-865 | PC has Plasma on TW, so will try there to see if there is an impact from /etc/xprofile |
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| Fat-Zer | yep, there could be... the same as from /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrd.d/ and stuff |
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| Fat-Zer | $TDEDIR/env/*.conf should be the proper way... |
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| a-865 | IMO, admin settings to override upstream defaults belong always in /etc/ |
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| a-865 | somewhere |
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| a-865 | for backup & restore purposes if nothing else, to prevent upgrades what wipe out custom settings |
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| Fat-Zer | the
$TDEDIR/env should be protected from upgrades the same way /etc is...
but it's a packager's job to do it... I'm personally sure that it is so
on gentoo, can't say anything about opensuse, but if they are not it's a
bug... |
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| Fat-Zer | but all in all we should probably move those somewhere to `/etc/xdg/trinity/env` someday... like kde did... |
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| a-865 | Fat-Zer: openSUSE TW has been moving distributor files out of /et/c; |
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| a-865 | Fat-Zer: openSUSE TW has been moving distributor files out of /etc for quite some time |
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| Fat-Zer | as for env sourced by tde, it's not an opensuse thing it's an old kde3 thing... |
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| pitriss | Hi guys. Just idea. https://matrix.org/ this could give some future for Kopete. |
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| selk | Hi Guys |
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| selk | One question, if tqt3 is installed under a prefix of /usr by default, the environment variable QTDIR would be required? |
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| SlavekB | For the usual operation, the QTDIR environment will not be needed at all. |
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| selk | Cool. |
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| selk | I am having this trouble, this is exactly the message when I try to start TDE, after the initial screen |
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| selk | https://microdevsys.com/wp/fedora-9-kde-4x-error-couldnt-attach-to-dcop-server/ |
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| selk | "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket" |
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| SlavekB | It seems that for some reason the dcop server does not start or crashes. |
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| SlavekB | Is something written in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| selk | There is no .xsessions-errors file :( |
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| SlavekB | You can try to run: dcopserver --nofork |
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| SlavekB | ...and you will see if it crashes and write a reason or if it will run. |
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| selk | It is running, no messages. |
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| selk | Without --nofork returns the error code 130 |
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| SlavekB | and when you try to run kdcop - will it connect to this dcop server? |
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| selk | If I type: dcop gives error |
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| selk | With kdcop no errors. |
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| selk | I put this commands on the terminal, without the X |
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| selk | Yes, under a terminal (with X) kdcop works |
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| selk | But dcop cannot start... |
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| SlavekB | when dcopserver is running, it is possible to start tdeinit? |
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| selk | Under xterm I run: dcopserver |
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| selk | Then tdeinit |
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| selk | It says that dcopserver is already running |
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| selk | and then it suggest me to delete a file if not |
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| selk | Then re-run dcopserver |
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| selk | No luck. even removing the dcop file... |
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| selk | Well, I have to go for now. I wll be back later. I will let /away for read messages |
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| selk | back |
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| mirda | SlavekB: please, what does mean "Správce médií TDE není spuštěn." and what is correct english name or package name? |
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| SlavekB | I think, media manager is part of tdebase. |
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| mirda | ok, thanks |
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| mirda | I upgraded devuan ascii to beowulf and Krusader now says ^^ if I try to umount usb drive |
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| mirda | via krusader or kicker applet |
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| mirda | and
lol, partition with home from the old hdd (i switched to ssd) mounts as
/home, so /dev/sda3 is mounted as /home and /dev/sdb6 is mounted as
/home |
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| pitriss | Guys
I think my weird issue with not working Ctrl+t which striked again here
on my Pi4 have origin in trinity.. I tried xfce and it works.. Question
is how to detect whats broken.. I suspect some weird mapping and I also
switched off all of my xmoxdmap voodoo.. |
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| Fat-Zer | pitriss: could you remind what's the issue by itself? |
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| pitriss | I cant use Ctrl+T in any browser within trinity.. |
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| pitriss | I noticed this when I press Ctrl+T in xev: https://0bin.net/paste/-+Yf7+rl#U7WiPcCKj5g+O8aQgo4-ksMyJUytPGxZvz2cy+aaX85 |
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| pitriss | Quick
googled around and found out that for some random guy similar issue was
caused by bad mapping of ctrl key.. Unfortunatelly he didnt specified
DE/distro.. |
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| pitriss | I also get through .trinity/share/config/khotkeys* for some suspicious mappings and nothing obvious there |
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| pitriss | I had this issue on my big rig (i7) and now it appeared again (devuan chimaera, arm64, rpi4 8GB model) |
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| pitriss | I am using PTB branch |
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| pitriss | I have no clue why the damn Ctrl+T is triggering FocusOut/FocusIn events |
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| mirda | I can confirm it after an upgrade from x86_64 devuan ascii to beowulf, same arch |
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| pitriss | It can be tricky in the fact, we are using czech layout.. So it can be buried there |
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| mirda | xev says FocusOut event, then FocusIn event and then KeymapNotify event with some table with lots of zeros |
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| pitriss | Fixed.. sorry for spam.. Developer of the qstardict app is plain idiot |
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| Fat-Zer | lol |
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| pitriss | There was one line with systemwide mapping... *sigh* |
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| pitriss | burried within generic config |
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| mirda | unchecked, but shortcut reserved |
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| pitriss | I guess this is just ready to fill in debian bug report |
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| pitriss | And yes, thas other issue.. Even it was unchecked, mapping was still applied |
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| Fat-Zer | works fine for me with the unchecked box... |
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| Fat-Zer | gentoo/amd64 |
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| pitriss | this must be debian specific |
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| pitriss | Anyway.. at least such mapping is just bad.. As ctrl+t is used across browsers |
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| pitriss | Should be empty or chosen in more careful way |
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| Fat-Zer | it'd be better to contact upstream directly about changing the defaults IMHO... |
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| Fat-Zer | if it's still alive |
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| pitriss | okay thank you for the advice.. I should do reboot and go to bed as I should wake in less than 5hrs |
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| nephele | Good
day, is there some kind of linux distriution or unixy OS that is a
"goto" place for using TDE as a desktop? similar to KDE Neon in purpose i
suppose |
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| OverLimit | sort of |
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| OverLimit | let me find you a link |
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| OverLimit | only 2 well known ones .. Q4OS and exegnu .. http://distrowatch.org/search.php?desktop=Trinity |
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| OverLimit | nephele: ^ |
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| OverLimit | |
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| nephele | q4os looks very plasmaish |
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| OverLimit | depends which version you use i suppose |
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| OverLimit | to me it looks like linux with a windows skin |
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| OverLimit | but with a kde feel |
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| OverLimit | make sure youre looking at the trinity flavors |
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| nephele | Ah, flavors of a debin derivitive, circles within circles :D |
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| OverLimit | kind of |
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| OverLimit | i think some q4os are not trinity but i am not 100 percent sure |
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| nephele | Would
be neat to have a straightforward smaller distro like alpine
preconfigured with TDE, i suppose that depends though on how much TDE
needs of the systemd apis |
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| nephele | I'll
look at Exe GNU/Linux, perhaps it works for me, though i am not overly
fond of debian... it has given me immense trouble in the past after the
systemd switch, not systemds fault anyhow, but rather their shoddy
integration of it :g |
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| OverLimit | if
youre not sure what you want but want something kde 3.5 like i use
mostly mint xfce 19.whatever which is kind of moslty old kde like on 64
bit and it seems very stable to me but their newest 20.1 is not
something i would recommend |
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| OverLimit | always
a struggle to get a new desktop included in distros that already have
their choices made .. it is not so simple as a new app or command |
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| nephele | Honestly,
i mostly need a linux to use for video conference stuff... but i am not
really willing to give up window tabs, and i would like to try and see
if TDE has them |
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| OverLimit | so the devs would need to spend time on understanding all that etc |
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| nephele | i know plasma /doesnt/ have them anyhow, they were removed in their -> 5 switch and never reimplemented |
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| OverLimit | window tabs ? in the browser ? or file manager ? or where ? |
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| nephele | No, the WM |
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| OverLimit | what do you mean by window tabs ? |
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| nephele | like this: https://nheko-im.neko.dev/_matrix/media/r0/download/nheko.im/qaYgTlPsVAFzMemvCAivpVvF |
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| OverLimit | uh oh .. a matrix user ;) jk |
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| nephele | I know kde4 had window tabs, and i think kde3 had them, but i am not sure on the later part |
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| OverLimit | hold on .. i need to go to a safe browsing machine to see that |
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| nephele | Well, i'm not here via matrix if you are afraid of that :P |
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| OverLimit | afraid ? no ;) |
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| nephele | i am only abusing it as an image host |
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| OverLimit | nice |
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| nephele | Here is a more official looking uri, though the content is slightly different: https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/images/gui-images/gui-s+t.gif |
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| OverLimit | neko ? are you the same neko that is here ? |
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| OverLimit | i looked at the first one and .. |
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| OverLimit | it looks like one window to me .. not a desktop |
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| nephele | No, it's just the homeservers name |
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| nephele | it's three windows on both uris |
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| OverLimit | ok um .. hold on .. |
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| OverLimit | with only one window visible ? |
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| OverLimit | ps .. join the invite |
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| nephele | what invite? |
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| OverLimit | sent it twice |
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| OverLimit | waht client are you using ? |
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| nephele | well, only one member of the stack is active at a time |
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| nephele | so yes, only the content of one window |
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| nephele | I'm using Vision# |
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| OverLimit | ya .. to me .. that is not a desktop ;) |
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| OverLimit | super low level wm |
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| OverLimit | vision is the wm ? or the distro ? |
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| nephele | You asked what client i am using, i am using Vision |
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| OverLimit | oh right lol /me is doing too many things |
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| nephele | It is a desktop... i only send you a partial screenshot because you asked about what i ment with window tabs |
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| OverLimit | oh ok so then .. |
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| nephele | it's not really a WM either, but that is beside the point :P |
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| OverLimit | what ' app ' is that " window " open in ? |
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| nephele | the window border is drawn by a decorator that is loaded by the app_server, does that info help you? |
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| OverLimit | lol .. not really ;) |
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| OverLimit | lets start from .. what distro are you running and what wm ? |
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| nephele | No distro, it's a different OS called Haiku |
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| OverLimit | both those pix were from haiku ? |
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| nephele | Yes |
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| OverLimit | ok |
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| OverLimit | only used it breifly long ago |
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| OverLimit | you looking for minimal ? |
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| nephele | minimal what? |
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| OverLimit | everything ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | you want ready to do vid conf |
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| OverLimit | so not minimal |
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| OverLimit | try mint 19.3 xfce |
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| nephele | Well,
i wanted something that has window tabs so i don't have to relearn
everything... for vid conf i basically only "need" a web browser |
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| nephele | and yes, they aren't minimal on linux at all... oh wel |
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| nephele | l |
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| OverLimit | try mint 19.3 xfce |
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| OverLimit | youre on 64 bit or 32 ? |
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| nephele | oh wow, that looks like gnome3 but with less contrast :D |
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| nephele | no window tabs either |
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| OverLimit | huh ? |
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| OverLimit | i have no idea what window tabs are then .. you dont need them on a ' normal ' gui .. afaik |
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| nephele | you know browser tabs? |
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| OverLimit | sure |
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| OverLimit | thats tabs inside an app |
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| nephele | Now imagine them outside the app |
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| OverLimit | for waht purpose ? |
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| nephele | not sure i understand the question? it's to have tabbed windows |
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| OverLimit | there is a panel .. or other windows to click on ? |
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| nephele | Just imagine the top window border beeing smaller, and each section representing a different window |
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| OverLimit | you can tab thru your windows .. with .. |
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| OverLimit | your tab key ? |
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| OverLimit | why woudl i want to do that ? seems like an extra app to do things i can already do ? |
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| nephele | ??? |
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| nephele | sounds like the same argument for removing scrollbars to me |
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| OverLimit | the tabs are on the panel |
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| OverLimit | ive never seen windows tabs .. to mee it woudl be an addition |
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| nephele | I'm used to them, i know kde4 had them, but that isn't maintained anymore |
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| OverLimit | well
ive seen them .. but that kind of gui seem .. inferior .. to me .. i
woudl never use one .. unless forced to by lack of differnt |
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| nephele | i suppose you use a keyboard only tiling wm? |
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| OverLimit | no |
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| nephele | so riddle me this: why are tabs okay in a browser, but not in the WM, for you? |
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| OverLimit | i use a REAL desktop ;) like trinity or xfce or gnome or almost anything else ? ;) |
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| nephele | yeah... "real" |
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| OverLimit | they
are ok wherever you want them .. i just dont get why you need them ..
unelss your gui is so restrictive you can only see one " window " at a
time .. your tabs are not windows .. to me .. they are tabs in some kind
of browser app |
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| OverLimit | more like way ole windows than a modern gui |
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| OverLimit | show me your full desktop ? with multiple " windows " each with multiple tabs |
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| nephele | I
can do tiling and stacking at the same time, without that capability i
tend to simply rune very window fullscreen/maximized, which is simply a
worse gui style since you loose all the extra options tiling and
stacking can give you |
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| OverLimit | maybe that wiull help me understand why you need them |
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| OverLimit | extra options ? such as ? these are probably things i have no knowledge of .. or do a dif way ? idk |
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| nephele | if
you understand the conceptual want for virtual desktops and extend
that, one option is to have tabbed windows, for content that is for
example similar, but you only need one at a time of |
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| OverLimit | i
dont tile or stack .. i have various sized windows all overlapping in
various was so ic an drag and drop things to multiple destinations easy |
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| nephele | I can stack, i can tile, but it's completely optional to do so |
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| OverLimit | yes i use ' virtual ' desktops .. i dont consider them seperate desktops tho .. maybe those are waht you woudl call my tabs ? |
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| nephele | if your goal is to only make your root X window tabbed without any gui indicator, then kinda |
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| nephele | they are similar in a way, but still distinct |
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| OverLimit | so many ways to do the exact same thing |
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| nephele | it's not the exact same thing |
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| OverLimit | since i dont use window tabs .. i cant really imagine why i would want them |
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| nephele | and
yes, multiple ways is kind of what having a mouse is about, use the
better tool for the job, you can of course remove all options to do
anything different, and remove all gui indicators of what is going on,
but then you land at suckless basically |
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| nephele | where your user has to keep a complex mental model in their head, to avoid gui indicators |
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| OverLimit | oh gosh .. such a chore .. are you an ai ? do you need a memory expansion ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | be a windows tabs salesman |
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| OverLimit | i an a window tabs noob |
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| OverLimit | sell me on installing window tabs |
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| nephele | I
have a usecase, i explained it, not sure why you are basically arguing
"your usecase can't exist because i don't see the value in it" |
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| OverLimit | i never said that |
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| nephele | i am parphrasing of course |
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| nephele | and i don't need to convinve you of window tabs either :P |
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| OverLimit | arrow up to your use case again .. i must have missed it .. or not thought of it as a use case |
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| OverLimit | well im trying to learn why people use them |
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| OverLimit | anyways
.. you have 3 options at least .. maybe distrowatch has a search for
distros that use window tabs ? if so .. post it here so i can try them
out |
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| OverLimit | tde is more of a build it yourself thing at this point .. tho i think in their dox pages there are a few more that have it |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | oh i see why you did not get my invites |
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| OverLimit | so .. /join #trinity-desktop-hungary |
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| OverLimit | ps .. no .. i am not in hungary .. juz an old room that is empty now |
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| OverLimit | |
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| nephele | No clue what distros on linux have window tabs, i suspect tde might have them but i don't know for certain |
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| OverLimit | tde is exactly like kde 3.5+ so if that had window tabs then it does too but idk kuz i use 14 year old linux that has kde 3.5+ |
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| OverLimit | wait
for dev to show up .. he is here daily or more .. maybe he added it ?
idk .. maybe it has it and i never knew for 14 years ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | exegnu uses palemoon browser .. very firefox like |
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| nephele | bah |
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| nephele | don't want to use palemoon :P |
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| OverLimit | q4os is probably the better choice and does not use palemoon |
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| OverLimit | i have not tryed their trinity yet tho so play at your own risk ;) |
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| OverLimit | unless i did and never knew it was trinity or forgot ;) |
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| OverLimit | mint 19 has firefox and can install the newest chrome |
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| OverLimit | if i knew wtf window tabs were for maybe i could make a better recommendation |
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| OverLimit | good luck |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | if you want no systemd you should probably pick something else and do more research ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| nephele | systemd isn't that bad if used properly |
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| nephele | but that is a big if |
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| OverLimit | ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| pitriss | nephele: just FYI Exegnu is Devuan with Trinity AFAIK |
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| pitriss | nephele: so no systemd there |
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| pitriss | nephele: and thing you call "Window tabs" is window decoration called "B II" |
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| pitriss | just tried |
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| pitriss | And about palemoon.. As ExeGnu is just Devuan.. apt-get install chromium firefox-esr solves your problem with palemoon |
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| OverLimit | thanks pitriss .. is B II in trinity ? and kde 3.5 ? if so .. what does it do ? |
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| OverLimit | |
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| pitriss | yes. It is in the base package with window decorations. |
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| pitriss | and Yw guys.. I'm glad I was able to help at least a little |
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| OverLimit | man i need my old hardware back .. now i want to try it in old kde to see what i have been missing |
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| OverLimit | i suppose i can try it in exegnu |
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| OverLimit | |
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| pitriss | yeah you can try it in exegnu as it is live distro.. so you can try without harming any install:) |
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| pitriss | And if you have some decent SBC around.. then TDE is running great eg on devuan Chimaera arm64 on my Raspberry pi 4 8GB model |
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| pitriss | In
fact I decided to use it as my desktop.. For basic tasks like browsing
web, having 10 tabs opened in chromium etc it is more than sufficient |
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| pitriss | a bit on-topic: https://www.pling.com/s/Trinity/p/1100260/
maybe it would be worth to include (even as separate package because it
is bit misbehaving sometimes) and give it chance for someone to give it
a little love.. As there is demand for such minimalism, this could fit
here |
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| OverLimit | i have it on my netbook 32 bit version |
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| OverLimit | when i find some time and remember .. |
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| OverLimit | but it is time for green day now so .. maybe later ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | ya exegnu trinity is .. ok .. but feels a bit .. not quite there .. for my hardwares .. so idk .. |
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| nephele | pitriss: debian badly integrated systemd, and devuan badly ripped it out, it seems worse than the alternative :P |
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| nephele | I might try though |
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| cinnamint | ? how do you ' badly ' rip something out ? |
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| cinnamint | i thought they started over from basically nothing ? |
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| cinnamint | |
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| nephele | them "starting over" was taking the debian repos copying them directly and blacklisting everything touched by the darkness ;) |
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| nephele | so... ripping it out basically, and hoping the rest somehow holds together |
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| nephele | in the end it's still a debian derivitive |
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| OverLimit | ya
.. remember them talking about finding his code almost everywhere and
so having to do a lot of work to make sure their versions were clean of
it |
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| OverLimit | almost everything is a derivative .. nothing wrong with that |
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| OverLimit | very few have ever attempted to build a system that big alone |
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| nephele | It
is big, very big indeed, but the problem with derivitives is that they
are usually just worse in support than the upstream would be, for little
gain as a user |
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| nephele | if
my goal would be to have "non-systemd" linux, using something that was
designed that way, like alpine linux might be a better choice, since it
isn't missing there as such |
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| cinnamint | worse
in support ## and that is why you need to fork and audit .. not depend
on support .. users should attempt to become developers asap .. then
they get instant support when needed |
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| OverLimit |
"non-systemd" linux ## oh wow .. i just had a nightmare ;) what if he
gets hooks in to the kernel ? or is it too late for that ? |
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| OverLimit | so much code to audit .. need bots to do it all .. or something |
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| OverLimit | |
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| nephele | hooks? you mean like apis systemd can use? there are apis that it does use buuut they aren't exclusive |
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| nephele | systemd wanted cgroups2 api to have an exclusive userspace agent to manage it, but that isn't the direction the kernel picked |
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| OverLimit | no
i mean like .. support for system d ? idk waht im asking really .. all
the crap devuan needed to take out .. but in the kernel .. so they would
need to do a full audit of every kernel they wanted to upgreade to |
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| OverLimit | ya stuff like ^ that ^ i guess |
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| nephele | gummiboot? :P |
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| nephele | There
is lots of code in the kernel you might not need or want for any
particular usecase, but you can just configure it to your needs pretty
much |
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| OverLimit | not sure .. is that his own booter ? |
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| nephele | for efi, yeah |
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| nephele | who is "he"? |
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| OverLimit | the darkness ;) |
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| OverLimit | i forget his name |
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| OverLimit | system d author |
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| nephele | i only used that metaphorically |
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| OverLimit | i know |
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| OverLimit | so does everyone else .. and i am sure he likes it ;) |
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| nephele | there isn't a single author for systemd anymore, it's quite big |
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| OverLimit | i see |
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| nephele | and some code has just been subsumed into it |
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| OverLimit | cute .. infected infections ;) |
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| nephele | In
any case, you can use the systemd base for a linux, if you want, but
it's better to use a distro that integrates it properly then :P |
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| OverLimit | sure but .. are there any ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | i am trying to build my own now |
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| OverLimit | having verious successes and amusing failures |
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| OverLimit | nothing perfect enuf yet tho |
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| nephele | Well fedora integrates it pretty well imo |
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| OverLimit | well i dont want it per se .. but i would want the ability to chose it |
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| OverLimit | trying to get a multi init system going |
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| OverLimit | but making one kernal that can support almost every distro is going to be a bit of work ;) |
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| OverLimit | i want to add a way to select which init you want at boot time |
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| OverLimit | then |
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| nephele | Every distro trying to cover every usecase is a bit of a failing of some linux distros imo |
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| nephele | if you want one system atleast commit to it properly |
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| OverLimit | a way to run more thatn one of them simultaeously |
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| nephele | don't support severall things poorly in the guise of "user choice" |
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| OverLimit | support might be the wrong word for it |
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| agneli | oh my oh my... freedom has its price and this price is poor user support ;) |
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| OverLimit | i waoudl call it more like .. lowest common denominator .. or reduced functionality set |
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| OverLimit | no no no .. we have great user support .. all users are shown the path to self developer status asap |
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| OverLimit | the proper way to support any student is to make them self sufficient asap |
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| nephele | agneli: i would argue that it isn't freedom as such if the overhead is just not making a great system :P |
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| agneli | nephele: go a live in certain country in eastern asia for 10 years please, then we will discuss |
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| agneli | the freedom of choice |
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| agneli | of course best is when there is no choice, standardization is key |
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| nephele | So,
how exactly do you obtain more freedom by having 50 distros that are
bad at everythign, but offer you the same choices. compared to 50
distros that could have their own strenghts instead of doing the same
everywhere |
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| nephele | I
argue that some distros should just focus on one system component they
consider good, and not maintain 5 alternatives at the same time :P |
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| agneli | I argue you have no right to tell who should do what ;) |
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| agneli | such a notion is easily curable by the trip I have mentioned above |
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| nephele | I am alloweded to have an opinion, the same as you |
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| agneli | of course I am not 100% serious, I hope you get that |
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| agneli | nephele: that was irony ;) |
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| agneli | of course you have |
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| agneli | and I am happy you do |
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| nephele | I somehow doubt that trips to countries will help encourage love of poorly integrated systems :p |
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| agneli | and you do have a point, a very serious one |
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| agneli | not a trip, 10years I said and you will cherish every choice you have |
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| nephele | I doubt it |
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| agneli | no issues... |
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| agneli | they will soon come to you |
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| nephele | more choiced...? |
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| agneli | then you will have deepin linux or firing squad ;) |
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| agneli | but that will still be your right to choose |
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| nephele | hmm, can i also not use any linux? :P |
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| agneli | a limited choice but still democratic and independent :) |
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| agneli | I think they told the saciour of the world to go f*** himself and stuck with xp |
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| agneli | so deepin or xp or firing squad ;) |
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| agneli | *saviour |
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| agneli | what region are you from? if some east asia or australia they are already crawling towards you |
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| OverLimit | best is when there is no choice, standardization is key ## this sounds .. bad .. and good .. at the same time |
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| agneli | hehehe :) |
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| agneli | OverLimit: yesss!!! |
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| agneli | are that Japaneese that say the nail that stands out asks for a hammer? |
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| agneli | or sth like that? |
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| OverLimit | maybe kuz it is a BAD WAY to think about a GOOD THING ? |
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| agneli | I am not the one to answer that |
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| agneli | :( |
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| OverLimit | that saying is similar to .. the squeaky wheel gets the grease |
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| agneli | yes indeed |
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| agneli | but at the same time how different... |
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| agneli | grease seems so nice in contrast to hammer... |
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| agneli | especially a hammer with a blood red flag on it... |
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| OverLimit | greasing a nail seems like a bad idea only an ai could conceive ;) |
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| OverLimit | therefore .. i must be a machine ;) |
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| agneli | hmmm... what are you thinking by greasing a nail, please :) |
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| OverLimit | randomness happens |
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| agneli | S. Freud would be delighted here I guess.... |
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| OverLimit | oh i would torture his mind with ideas i am sure ;) |
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| agneli | hehehehehe |
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| OverLimit | sometimes a hammer is just a hammer .. til you grease the nails |
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| OverLimit | slippery fraud |
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| SlipperyFraud | lol |
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| SlipperyFraud | come sit on my couch |
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| OverLimit | 20210317.1141:00
<nephele> So, how exactly do you obtain more freedom by having 50
distros that are bad at everythign ## by taking only the best parts of
them into the merge |
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| OverLimit | compared to 50 distros that could ## merge them also .. the 50 most popular and the 50 most unique |
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| agneli | CONFIG_USB_TRANCEVIBRATOR=y |
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| agneli | hehehehe |
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| OverLimit | and not maintain 5 alternatives at the same time ## thus the need for the one true merge system ;) |
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| agneli | Say Y here if you want to connect a PlayStation 2 Trance Vibrator |
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| OverLimit |
doubt that trips to countries will help ## trips to specific countrys
.. where your ' freedoms ' are nearly zero .. i think is his point |
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| OverLimit | CONFIG_USB_TRANCEVIBRATOR=y 20210317.1157:54 <agneli> hehehehe ## CITATION NEEDED ! link please ;) |
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| agneli | https://lwn.net/Articles/197533/ |
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| OverLimit | Send ${VibratorTipValue} here if you want to stimulate my PinkStation 6 Trance Vibrator |
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| agneli | https://www.kernel.org |
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| OverLimit | lol @ kernel.org link .. i know that .. i wanted a direct link to the file that has it in it ;) checking the lwn link .. |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | interesting link? |
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| agneli | :) |
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| OverLimit | lol .. doing too many thing .. still on my todo list ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| denk | I have some doubts that the channel is about tde.. |
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| OverLimit | lol |
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| OverLimit | this channel ? |
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| OverLimit | oops are we way off topic again ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | ok ok so .. ultimate merge will of course have trinity as default de ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| SlavekB | I assume it is too soon dealing with creating TDE application for mentioned hardware? ;) |
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| cinnamint | lol
no .. and .. it is not hardware at this point .. only dreams of a
better system .. so please do feel free to contribute when requested ;) |
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| cinnamint | right
now we need the most simple initrd possible .. to allow us to examine
various kernel features without all the noise of a fully running modern
system |
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| nephele | compile toybox? |
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| OverLimit | our sources are binary .. so no compiles .. yet .. binary submissions only .. what is toybox ? like busybox ? |
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| cinnamint | the
current kernel we are testing may have a few omissions that are causing
third party initfs images to not complete and drop to a minimal shell
or worse |
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| OverLimit | wb |
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| OverLimit | |
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| cinnamint | and now i would like to ask a similar q to yours ;) |
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| cinnamint | blah .. lost my train searching for it lol |
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| cinnamint | |
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| cinnamint | oh i think it was .. is there any live distro preconfigured with toybox ? |
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| nephele | your train of though, or missed a real train? |
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| cinnamint | heh ;) thought of course .. doing too many projects at the same time |
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| cinnamint | |
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| nephele | Hmmm, i wonder why those lines are emptyyyy probably emoji? |
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| cinnamint | lol no purposefully blank usually a space some times less than a space .. like this .. |
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| cinnamint | |
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| pitriss | nephele:
I don't think that there are any major problems with devuan. The fault
is on Debians side.. Devuan did their best to clean the mess that
somebody else did.. I can't blame them for doing dirty hard work..:) |
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| nephele | debian is huge, and devuan tries to patch it up after ripping a big part out of it, that doesn't really work well imo :P |
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| nephele | there is also no real alternatives like nosh or s6 on devuan, atleast last time i checked (for the case of service supervision) |
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| pitriss | Big part? I don't think so.. there is sublte list of banned packages.. considering ammount of packages in debian repo. |
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| cinnamint | ya really .. this really is the only way to deal with big objects |
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| cinnamint | why is the entire internnet not the repo ? ;) |
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| cinnamint | |
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| nephele | pitriss: i would argue it is a big part, because it is pretty central to how most packages work |
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| cinnamint | system d is an addition to debian .. it does not make debian debian |
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| nephele | that already starts with how they ship their service units et all |
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| nephele | if you don't support the format you can't reliably start them really |
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| cinnamint | sure that is the decision of individual distros |
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| cinnamint | then chose differnet options |
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| cinnamint | isnt that the point of diversity ? |
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| cinnamint | pull the code you like and make it yours |
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| cinnamint | endless source to choose from |
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| cinnamint | |
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| pitriss | nephele:
but they did not ditched out sysv init completely.. these parts still
exists.. No big deal to take startup scripts from previous version and
continue with supporting them.. And Devuan did the another step.. added
support for another inits too |
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| cinnamint | yup |
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| cinnamint | system d is an addition .. not what makes debian debian |
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| cinnamint | |
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| pitriss | cinnamint: yep.. Sad fact is that for me personally, Devuan is more Debian than Debian itself these days:) |
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| nephele | pitriss:
yes, they do exist, but for one: they hugely suck(ed), and for another
they still suck where debian uses them (despite having systemd) |
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| cinnamint | not sure what ' feature ' i would say i need to believe i have a debian system |
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| nephele | the big part why systemd is an improvement over sysvinit isn't even the init part, it's the service supervision part |
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| pitriss | nephele:
I'm unix sysadmin and to be honest. I had way less issues with sysvinit
than systemd caused in its short time it even exists.. |
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| nephele | if
you had something like s6 with proper scripts that would be a huge
gain, but not if your alternative is just useing start-stop-service |
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| pitriss | SystemD is anything but improvement..:) |
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| nephele | pitriss:
systemd can start services reliably in a reliable enviroment, sysvinit
can't, and honestly the complexity of the sysvinit scripts, especially
in debian, was just horrible |
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| cinnamint |
Devuan is more Debian than Debian ## heh .. bound to happen for most
things .. fans like a particular flavor .. and the artists move on .. so
we have fan groups for everything .. like kde 3.5+ etc ;) |
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| pitriss | nephele: so OpenRc could do for years.. |
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| nephele | and most of that code was trying to work around deficiencies of sysvinit |
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| nephele | now... you can use daemontools based tools |
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| nephele | or systemd |
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| nephele | but sticking to syvinit probably isnt the answer |
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| cinnamint | or write your own solutions |
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| pitriss | nephele: SystemD is huge materialized NIH syndrom:) |
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| nephele | sure |
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| nephele | it does some stuff well, it does some stuff bad |
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| cinnamint | dont we all |
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| nephele | but i wouldn't blame it for running badly with the crap sysvinit scripts debian forces it to work with |
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| cinnamint | so how many init scripts have you written ? |
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| pitriss | nephele:
really.. you can't imagine how huge ammount of servers are running
without systemd and they run for years, hosting High Availability
solutions/databases.:) |
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| nephele | pitriss: why not? |
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| cinnamint | kuz they dont need it |
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| cinnamint | dif tool for dif job |
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| nephele | The assesment was "you can't imagine" |
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| nephele | my question was "why not?" |
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| cinnamint | we cant tell you why YOU cant doo something ,, only you cna answer that |
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| pitriss | because you still calling sysv init as sucking:) |
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| nephele | i don't see how "they dont need it" is an answer to that, unless you want to say that i am somehow plural |
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| nephele | sysvinit does suck |
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| cinnamint | to you |
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| pitriss | I'm just opposing that statement.. :) |
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| cinnamint | other people know how to use it well |
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| nephele | There are many many much better alternatives to it |
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| nephele | and they have been around for decades |
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| cinnamint | so use them then |
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| cinnamint | why complain |
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| pitriss | cinnamint: exactly :D |
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| nephele | How am i the one complaining? you started this with trying to convince me that devuan was better through using sysvinit... |
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| cinnamint | no i never said any such thing |
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| OverLimit | nor did i |
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| pitriss | nephele:
I never seen mess caused by sysv init on production machines (even bank
systems) but I had seen many machines on servers not booting because of
SystemD and its bad decision:) |
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| nephele | Yes, i'm sure that because you haven't seen the mess that it therefore can't exist :P |
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| pitriss | nephele:
I just claimed opposite of your claim that ditching systemd was bad
move.. I am grateful for it.. I am really grateful that at least few
guys tried to keep my right to make choice:) |
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| nephele | I
have seen many machines not boot directly because of sysvinit, and i
have seen machines not boot because of systemd using those same scripts,
i have also seen system fail on it's own |
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| nephele | pitriss: i really fail to see how you interpreted that into my statements |
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| OverLimit | he didnt say it cant exist .. he said he never seen one but seen lots of D-sasters ;) |
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| OverLimit | <nephele> pitriss: i really fail to see ## kuz youre not trying enuf ;P |
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| nephele | there
is nothing about "ditching" systemd in devuan, it's basically taking an
OS that entirely depends on systemd, ripping it out, and then putting
crutches under it and hoping it doesn't fall down |
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| OverLimit | BZZZZT wrong |
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| nephele | There are many many distros that are simply designed to not use systemd in the first place, and they work much better |
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| OverLimit | but you are free to belive that as long as you like |
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| OverLimit | like waht ? |
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| nephele | Sure, just as you can continue believing that making claims about falsehoods without evidence convince anyone |
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| nephele | for example alpine linux, void linux, crux linux etc. |
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| OverLimit | i have probably tryed all of those .. long ago .. none of them made me want to switch |
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| OverLimit | lets see what i woudl find if i were going to seriously try them today |
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| OverLimit | |
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| nephele | That's perfectly fine, you don't have to use anything, at all :P |
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| OverLimit | lol .. i do if i want to get in here ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | i build things .. what do you do ? ;P |
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| OverLimit | i got every cool block i know of .. always good to find more of them |
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| agneli | nephele: are you sure with this debian dependency on that communist software? |
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| agneli | I rememebr installing jessie without it |
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| agneli | I found some blog on how to do this |
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| nephele | ... communist software? |
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| cinnamint | systemd |
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| cinnamint | he is joking |
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| agneli | OverLimit: like gentoo!!! :) |
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| cinnamint | lol |
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| OverLimit | lol |
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| OverLimit | gentoo is our first kernel experiment ;) |
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| OverLimit | have kernel .. need initfs |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | i have no initfs... |
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| OverLimit | lies lol |
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| agneli | this crap was switching off the penguins... |
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| mirda | https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2020/07/02/319/ |
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| OverLimit | how do i boot with no initfs ? |
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| mirda | 2 How to remove systemd from Debian Buster |
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| OverLimit | removal is kind of silly .. start over fresh is better |
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| agneli | OverLimit: without lvm or zfs ;) |
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| OverLimit | i dont use those |
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| OverLimit | so i am still confuzuled ;) |
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| OverLimit | waht is your boot device and software ? |
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| agneli | compile in all the drivers you need then if no such things are needed |
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| agneli | now I am aiming to get that from a usb drive |
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| OverLimit | super monolithic kernel ? include chromium and midori and others ? 2 gig kernel ! |
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| agneli | noooooo |
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| OverLimit | ? what is your boot device and software ? |
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| mirda | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
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| agneli | vesafb for penguins and sth for storage + filesystem |
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| nephele | agneli: you don't need an initrd for zfs |
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| mirda | links for the discussion above about systemd and banned packages in devuan |
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| OverLimit | ty mir |
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| agneli | OverLimit: kvm :P |
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| OverLimit | virtual ? |
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| agneli | yes, as said before I am now proceeding to test on real thing |
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| agneli | but usb menu in menuconfig is soooo big ;) |
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| OverLimit | this is ok tho .. but .. you still have a base system ? |
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| agneli | what do you mean by base system? |
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| OverLimit | kvm is a program ? or a kernel ? |
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| agneli | gentoo - that is what you ask for? |
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| OverLimit | or other ? |
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| OverLimit | oh |
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| agneli | kernel virual machine - my "hardware" |
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| OverLimit | windows ? |
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| OverLimit | base system = the thing youre running kvm on |
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| OverLimit | maybe i think of it incorrectly ? |
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| agneli | that might be possible on this crap called wls2 |
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| OverLimit | wls2 is your system or the hardware ? |
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| agneli | w8 |
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| agneli | I do not have windows |
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| OverLimit | are you a bot ? lol |
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| OverLimit | ok |
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| agneli | gentoo host with gentoo guest via kvm |
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| agneli | or on kvm - I am not sure what is correct form |
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| OverLimit | it s ok .. i dont know either ;) all i have is gentoo kernel made for me |
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| agneli | I am not yet at this stage, I am still experimenting |
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| OverLimit | is there a boot option i can use to get it to not kernel panic ? without an initfs |
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| OverLimit | so kvm is your initfs ? idk |
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| OverLimit | well time for more celebrations here .. get your green beer and chill woot woot |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | ach that explains :) |
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| agneli | then we will comeback to that conversation at some other point |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | OverLimit: have great celebration, and excuse me for leaving you alone with this great feat ;) |
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| nephele | pitriss:
I found the B II decorator, and it has window tabs, i can move them
too, but i can't figure out how to actually stack them |
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| SlavekB | The window title bars are automatically moved to see them until it is possible. |
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| nephele | I don't really understand what you mean by that, there is no automatic moving i can see at all |
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| SlavekB | When the title bar overlap so that one is not visible, it tries to move them so that the title bar could be seen. |
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| nephele | uhh, how is that related to the stacking? :) |
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| SlavekB | Well,
it's about so that BII decoration does not ensure that windows can be
grouped - stacked. It only does that the title bar have only the
necessary width and are moved to be visible. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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| nephele | Ouch |
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| SlavekB | The windows are still independent - it does not bind to them together. |
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| agneli | guys, how tdm is able to select which kernel from the bootloader to boot after the reboot please? |
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| pitriss | I think this is bound to Grub2 only.. But it is only my guess |
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| agneli | I have actually seen that on a lilo |
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| pitriss | Ok then I am wrong here:) |
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| agneli | I was thinking to try in on a usb booted machine |
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| agneli | and just pull out the drive |
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| agneli | during reboot |
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| agneli | and see if config files were altered |
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| agneli | but I guess that is a stupid idea ;) |
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| pitriss | :D There is no worse outcome than you mess up something.. :D So question is if it stops you from trying |
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| agneli | why should it? |
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| agneli | :) |
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| agneli | taking some old usbdrive for a test |
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| pitriss | No idea.. Murphy laws maybe.. :D |
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| agneli | I want to take an usb drive I am otherwise not using a tall |
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| agneli | but anyway I would expect there will be no trace of it apart from the bootsector |
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| agneli | so whole idea is not very smart |
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| agneli | devs need to speak out methinks ;) |
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| pitriss | I
am trying to solve another riddle within trinity.. I have correctly set
up hotkeys for print screen app and it does not work.. I wish for some
easy debug tool in trinity |
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| agneli | hmmm |
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| agneli | I set it up only once |
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| agneli | and it has never failed me |
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| agneli | but i do not really remember what i have done, I am not even sure I did it in trinity itself or in X |
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| pitriss | yeah..
It also worked without flaw on my big rig.. But I'm slowly setting this
Pi4 and thats maybe the key.. slowly.. Adding it package by package
when its needed |
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| cinnamint | 20210319.0058:57
<agneli> guys, how tdm is able to select which kernel from the
bootloader to boot after the reboot please? ## should be simple ? how
are you running tdm ? let me duplicate your magic ;) |
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| cinnamint | 20210319.0212:49
<agneli> I have actually seen that on a lilo ## you should be
able to do it on anything .. simple case replace the kernal binary with
your alternate choice .. other options may be better |
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| cinnamint | and just pull out the drive 20210319.0216:10 <agneli> during reboot ## yes .. that is a VERY silly idea ;) |
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| cinnamint | booting off a usb stick you dont care about might be ok to pull while booting ;) but why ? |
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| cinnamint |
question is if it stops you from trying 0210319.0244:40 <agneli>
why should it? ## if you have no backup hardware or boot options you
will be locked offline with no help til you can fix it yourself |
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| cinnamint | <agneli> taking some old usbdrive for a test ## good plan ;) |
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| cinnamint | agneli: so whole idea is not very smart ## might be .. depends what you are trying to learn ;) |
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| OverLimit | agneli: devs need to speak out methinks ;) ## are there any devs here ? ;) |
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| cinnamint | wish for some easy debug tool in trinity ## so lets build one ;) |
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| cinnamint |
another riddle within trinity ## that is a riddle indeed .. i know the
old kde 3.5+ i used had it set by default .. so .. trinity should too ;) |
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| cinnamint | |
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| cinnamint | i think exegnu.2020 has it set by default .. maybe look at that to see how they did it ? |
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| agneli | cinnamint: how are you running tdm ? |
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| agneli | gentoo via ~amd64 overlay |
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| agneli | above that was supposed to a quote :) |
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| agneli | https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging-gentoo |
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| agneli | this one |
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| agneli | and what I am talking about is: |
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| agneli | ability to select kernel image for reboot |
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| agneli | Trinity Control Center -> Login Manager -> Administrator Mode -> Shutdown -> Miscellaneous -> Boot manager |
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| agneli | I have lilo there |
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| agneli | and then when I press Alt-S in tdm |
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| agneli | restart button has a small arrow on the right |
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| agneli | press and keep and I get a list of all images (and alliases, idk why...) i have |
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| agneli | selecting one of the above reboots the machine with no lilo menu after restat |
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| agneli | *restart |
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| agneli | and I want to know kow the hell it tells lilo which image to boot... |
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| agneli | a propos recreating... I have it on one machine and now I am trying to get same on another with no success... and idk wth... :( |
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| agneli | help seem to be a little bit outdated... |
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| agneli | crap I see no difference in configuration... |
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| agneli | and apparently all the lions of trinity sleep atm :( |
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| agneli | ok, i got it, after setting the boot manager option in the tde control center |
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| agneli | i
had to reinstal lilo boot sector, at least I think so, as I did it for
the other purposes and now I can enjoy this "directed" reboot on the old
machine as well |
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| agneli | now what magic makes it work ;) |
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| agneli | I see no trace of tdm in my /etc/lilo.conf... |
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| OverLimit | 20210320.0252:29 <agneli> cinnamint: how are you running tdm ? ## i am not :( |
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| OverLimit | i usually would run old linux with kde 3.5+ to get that feature |
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| OverLimit | these days i run exegnu 2020 if i want to torture myself with a not quite up to my standards system with trininty |
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| OverLimit | i
should probably check out the most recent q40s versions .. q4os was
reasonably stable for me long ago .. but i never used it much |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | will
check out your gentoo link .. i have a gentoo kernel .. but i dont know
how to get it to boot anything useful .. i have no initfs yet |
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| OverLimit | ability to select kernel image for reboot ## yes .. i understand that .. ive just never used an app to do it for me ;) |
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| OverLimit | i
suppose i could learn lilo to tell you how i woudl do it .. but no time
for that now .. winter is over and spring is here ! super nice out here
today |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | no trace of tdm in my /etc/lilo.conf ## not surprising .. tdm happens long after boot |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | i will want to learn how you got your full gentoo trinity system going some day .. but not today ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| cinnamint | got a challenge for the team .. |
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| cinnamint | "
Your reported hostname [179.43.160.235] is banned: Your Tor exit node
must not allow connections to freenode. Email {snip}@freenode.net for
assistance. " |
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| cinnamint | need a way to get a tor browser into freenode |
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| cinnamint | some kind of untorify service |
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| cinnamint | BEFORE the conference is over libreplanet.org/2021/live/ |
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| cinnamint | let me notify a few other teams before i start the challenge |
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| cinnamint | |
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| david_ | Anyone
here have experience using Trinity's version of KMail? I'm
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| selk | The problem that I am having running trying to run TDE 14.0.9.. |
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| selk | This is the 'startx' strace log: http://ix.io/2TTg |
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| selk | and this is the strace log for the 'starttde' command running from TWM (a window manager): http://ix.io/2TTh |
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| selk | Turning off the TDE_HWLIB makes it work |
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| selk | But I unknown the "side-effects" of having this off... |
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| cinnamint[n] | <selk>
But .. unknown ## so you will learn now ;) i wish i could shut
everything off easy without killing the whole system .. then turn on
only what i think i need one by one |
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| selk | cinnamint[n]: Good point. :-) |
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| selk | I will be back tomorrow, it is late. Have fun! |
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| Aristide | Hello ! |
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| Aristide | I
have a small question :x I'm trying to use my Touchpad (for scroll with
Two finger) but don't work. Two Finger has enabled in X11 settings, I
have reboot computer, install all related synaptics package, but same
problem. So, synclient say « Couldn't find synaptics properties. No
synaptics driver loaded? » |
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| Aristide | «
Unfortunately, there are a few bugs in Trinity desktop version 14.0.6,
what is used Q4OS Centaurus, they affect laptop hardware keys, so you
likely encountered them. These bugs should be resolved in the coming
Trinity desktop version 14.0.10, what will be deployed in Q4OS 4 Gemini.
» - https://www.q4os.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3417 OK. Maybe the problem :x |
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| OverLimit | cool |
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| OverLimit | |
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| msiism | Can I have two desktop panels in TDE? |
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| msiism | Okay, seems this is pretty easy to install on my system. So, I'll go and find the answer myself. |
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| SlavekB | Right click on panel and select some if items in Add New Panel submenu? |
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| pitriss | Damn
guys, I wish for some place to publish my tiny little things like
Konversation scripts etc. But maybe github repo could be the place.. Not
sure how much it will be searchable but better than nothing I guess. |
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| pitriss | IMO
there are missing such things.. Eg I completely forgot how to script
Kopete. Konversation is quite easy.. Just calling dcop from scripts..
But Kopete? |
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| pitriss | Slavek:
Maybe it is bad idea, but is it possible to make such place? Eg tiny
little corner of TDE gitea to publish things like scripts for various
things like I just wrote 10lines long script for publishing song from
mpris interface? These things could be useful for someone who will be
searching for a way how to some scripting etc |
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| SlavekB | Pitriss, it seems that here is a good idea to increase you limit to create your repositories on your TGW account. |
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| SlavekB | done ... now you can create your personal repositories on TGW. |
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| pitriss | Thanks.. |
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| pitriss | I'll create one.. I think there my scripts reach its potential audience better than on my personal github |
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| cinnamint[n] | pitriss:
maybe i shoudnt remind everyone but .. there was recently discovery
published about how anyone can push anything to any git .. not sure if
they decided to fix it .. this time .. but i think it wants fixed |
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| cinnamint[n] | wasnt* fixed |
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| msiism | Could anyone add the fingerprint of TDE's GPG signing key to the installation Howtos for Debian and Devuan on the wiki? |
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| msiism | Also,
the "Configure the package manager" section should probably mention
that you can also put the repo lines for TDE into an extra file in
/etc/souces.list.d, which is arguably better. |
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| msiism | s/souces/sources |
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| pitriss | msiism: as far as I know, keys are definitely mentioned on the wiki |
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| pitriss | or page or whatever |
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| pitriss | let me look |
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| msiism | Sure, it's only that the fingerprint isn't given. |
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| msiism | And, that URL for the key package should be https, I guess. Using https worked for me. |
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| pitriss | It can be, for sure.. |
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| msiism | So, tdebase-trinity will only take about 170M when installed on my Devuan system. Nice. |
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| pitriss | SlavekB: I want to return to my idea https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdetoys/issues/4
. please do you have any hints what applet on panel expects? Is it some
sort of DCOP call or something? I would try to fake its backend in ruby
or something with a different source |
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| pitriss | Now when I am quarantined I think I could find some time :D |
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| msiism | Now,
this TDE installation attempt didn't go too well for me and I'm
currently trying to get back a working GUI environment on my main
machine. |
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| msiism | I think I'm looking for some system-wide X configuration file that TDE modified. |
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| msiism | But, first things first, my report: |
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| msiism | When I ran the Apt comman to install tdebase-trinity, the X server on my Devuan system (Beowulf) crashed immediately. |
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| msiism | So, I just waited for a bit until it seemed the installation had finished. |
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| msiism | When
I rebooted and tried to log in through TDM, I learned that this thing
seeminglx only supports ASCII characters in passwords. |
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| msiism | So, I tried to log in on another TTY and get my normal desktop from there. |
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| msiism | Unfortunately, X now freezes immediately with no chance to switch to another TTY, every time I run startx. |
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| msiism | I'm
somewhat sure I've removed all packages from the trinity repository
from my system by now. Doing that was a nice little challenge. |
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| msiism | Okay, fixed it by re-installing elogind and purging some autoremovable packages. |
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| msiism | Quite a ride… |
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| msiism | So, I mean, it could just be me, but installing TDE really doesn't work out on Devuan all too well, as it seems. |
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| msiism | Maybe someone should look into that. |
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| pitriss | LOL |
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| pitriss | Devuan here. Arm64 arch.. works like charm. |
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| pitriss | No issue with installation even on Preliminary Testing Branch. |
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| pitriss | Recently switched from Beowulf to Chimaera.. |
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| msiism | pitriss: Well, what was your setup before you installed TDE? |
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| pitriss | Unofficial image for Raspberry Pi4.. I started from scratch.. Bare CLI install |
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| msiism | Hm… I already had a desktop environment going, without a login manager. |
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| msiism | Some self-assembled thingy around Openbox. |
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| msiism | I'd usually get my GUI through startx. |
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| msiism | I'm on x86_64, by the way. |
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| pitriss | I have Devuan Beowulf on my big rig with PTS build of trinity also.. also no problem.. |
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| pitriss | And
on the Pi4, most issues are caused by not so clean inplementation of
drivers mostly in Alsa/Bluetooth stacks. Nothing DE related. |
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| pitriss | DE is working without big issues.. |
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| msiism | I think this is related to elogind. |
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| msiism | I guess installing TDE did lead to a few changes in how GUI logins are handled by the system. |
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| pitriss | Hard to guess for me.. |
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| msiism | Me too. |
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| msiism | I mean, as far as I remember, I did have elogind installed before installing TDE. And then I had to re-install it afterwards. |
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| msiism | Now, I think I remember having the very same issue when trying to install TDE with Devuan ASCII. |
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| msiism | At least as far as the effect goes. |
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| pitriss | Weird..
Using trinity since my switch on Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie.. No
issue since then with starting except few flaws because I am using test
builds |
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| msiism | I'd be curious to know what causes this because I would really like to give TDE a try again. |
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| msiism | Maybe I can do a fresh install of Beowulf without a DE on a spare machine and then try to put TDe on directly. |
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| msiism | My suspicion is that that will work without a problem. |
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| pitriss | My way of installing is to instal base system, and then installing what do I need.. avoiding huge metapackages.. |
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| pitriss | Because I am too lazy to clean system from unnecessary things |
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| msiism | Yeah, that's what I do too. |
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| msiism | Except for xorg, and possibly a few others. |
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| OverLimit | |
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| cinnamint[n] | is
there any reason an iphone would take 2 wireless ip addresses from the
router ? or is it a sign it might be hacked ? or maybe using a not so
friendly app ? |
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| pitriss | Depends on router and its configuration.. could be 1 on 5GHz 1 on 2.4GHz |
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| OverLimit | ya .. we have both .. so maybe .. will check that out .. thanks |
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| agneli | cinnamint[n]:
in case this is still needed, usually apple equipment tends to pick up
5GHz networks if both bands are avaliable, I have never seen it picking
up 2 diffrent ips, maybe try to "forget the network" |
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| agneli | also
there are those newly introduced options of "increased WiFi security"
"Private WiFi address" that generates different MAC for every network
(never checked that on eth though ;)) |
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| agneli | maybe it went crazy... as for being hacked... well... heavili depends on that software you have there I guess... |
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| agneli | *heavily |
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| agneli | and one bonus question ipv4 or ipv6? |
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| cinnamint[n] | not sure yet .. havent seen them both on at the same time again yet .. |
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| cinnamint[n] | but i ws thinking?wondering .. is 5g v6 by default ? guessing not |
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| cinnamint[n] | they both had ipv4 addresses tho .. |
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| cinnamint[n] | and .. |
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| cinnamint[n] | the
mac in the router does not match the mac on the phone internally .. so
.. you might be correct about the iphone spoofing macs .. but i would
have thought apple might want to track their clients better and not
allow that |
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| cinnamint[n] | so idk |
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| cinnamint[n] | i do know both of them seem to be that phone .. since it looses wifi if i block just one of them alone |
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| cinnamint[n] | so for now we dont care since it is not an unknown device |
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| cinnamint[n] | |
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| agneli | I believe apple is all about _not_ tracking, that seems to be their main selling point, am I wrong? |
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| agneli | the MAC is paired with WiFi network, so basically every WiFi you connect your device to gets a different MAC |
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| agneli | unless you switch that off |
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| agneli | ipv4
double - that is strange... I would assume you played with the setting,
and if you say still both real MAC and fake MAC are exposed that seems
strange... I would delete the network and rejoin, but if you do not care
then that is OK i guess... |
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| agneli | anyway - they says evergiven is afloat :) so cheap shit from certain country will not see any major price rises... |
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| cinnamint[n] | 20210329.0846:50 <agneli> I believe ## not a good idea ;) |
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| cinnamint[n] | that seems to be their main selling point ## used cars |
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| cinnamint[n] |
am I wrong? ## i dont know .. is there any way to know for sure ? maybe
it wasnt and is now .. remember .. apple was created by hackers
exploiting other peoples systems |
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| cinnamint[n] |
assume you played with the setting ## which setting ? not my phone so
no .. not sure what to do with the router .. all i did there was various
attempts to discover what device was on each ip by blocking them
individually .. but maybe the phone hopped between them when i was
blocking and unblocking .. idk |
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| cinnamint[n] | one
of the ips also seems to get somehow used on a wired device .. and then
it is labeled as self assigned .. as a second ip for the tv box ..
which is kind of strange also |
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| cinnamint[n] | so idk .. time to stop wasting time on this crap ;) not giving a f about security and privacy is so mush less hassles |
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| cinnamint[n] | |
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| cinnamint[n] | both real MAC and fake MAC ## no .. from the router side i see 2 dif macs that dont match the phone internal |
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| cinnamint[n] |
evergiven is afloat :) so cheap shit from certain country will not see
any major price rises... ## but didnt that ship have covid crew ? the
whole lot should be burned at sea like a viking funeral ;) |
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| agneli | hehehehehe |
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| agneli | good one! :) |
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| agneli | we filled the log of this channel for a week worth of lines today - good job! |
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| agneli | and I still do not know how tdm tells lilo to boot a certain image on restart... |
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| OverLimit | agneli:
lilo ## lol .. teach me how to get tdm running at all for me my way and
i will figure it out for you .. cant be that difficult .. look at the
lilo config file and find the pointer to the kernal and modify it to
point to the one you want .. or just write over your old?current kernal
with the one you want to use |
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| agneli | OverLimit:
1. just for my curiosity as I doubt I will be capable of, what does it
eaxctly mean "to get tdm running your way", please? |
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| agneli | 2.
I am talking about the fact that you can set up tdm in such a way that
on the restart it will boot an image you selected from a drop down menu
avaliable on the restart button |
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| agneli | without much hope for success I did shut down the system during reboot and I saw nothing special in the lilo config file |
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| agneli | so my wild guess is that tdm modifies boot sector directly |
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| agneli | just to be clear - tdm is capable of handing over the pointer to the image selected over the restart of the system |
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| agneli | so it has to write it somewhere... and I see bootsector as only possibility |
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| OverLimit | #$ sudo hexdump -C /dev/sda | head -32 ## or #$ sudo hexdump -C /dev/sda | grep '=' | head -32 ## might find it for you |
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| OverLimit | but i cant imagine that tdm is changing the boot sector .. i mean .. i can imagine it .. i just dont think it is sane ;) but .. |
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| OverLimit | i think i know what you are talking about maybe .. fedora uses lilo boot ? |
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| OverLimit | but
again .. even if you cant figure how they do it .. you can do it your
own way .. just write over the default kernal with the one you want to
run |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit |
mean "to get tdm running your way" ## well i might not want to do it
exactly the way you describe so .. just saying it might be more
difficult help than you think ;) |
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| OverLimit | for example .. i dont usually use lilo to boot .. so i would rather not need to |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | so if that is the only way you know .. we might have a few problems ;) |
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| OverLimit | agneli: ^ |
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| agneli | OverLimit: apart from the hexdump part I do not undertand what actually you talk about :) |
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| cinnamint[n] | lol |
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| agneli | hehehehe |
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| OverLimit | well we can find out the hard way ;) what is the first step for me to make an identical trinity setup like you have ? |
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| agneli | unlock ~ in the masked keywords |
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| OverLimit | huh ? |
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| agneli | OverLimit: you mean please? |
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| OverLimit | agneli: no .. i mean " huh ? " ;) as in .. wtf duz dat meen ;) |
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| agneli | I am usigng tde testing overlay on gentoo, testing is marked with ~ |
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| agneli | this needs to be unmasked to be able to install |
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| agneli | I think it was explained to me on this very channel few months ago ;) |
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| OverLimit | well .. i must have missed that day ;) |
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| OverLimit | i know waht gnetoo is |
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| OverLimit | i dont know what an ' overlay ' for gentoo is |
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| OverLimit | idk what unmasked means |
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| OverLimit | and did you understand it after it was ' explained ' to you ? ;) |
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| OverLimit | so maybe lets try this again .. |
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| OverLimit | assume i have a working gentoo |
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| OverLimit | where do i get the ' overlay ' file .. whatever that is .. got link ? |
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| OverLimit | agneli:
i think i should just give up on ever running a modern tde .. and just
settle for using kde 3.5+ on an old distro .. sigh |
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| agneli | OverLimit: maybe it is better this way? why change it? :) |
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| agneli | is okular part of the tde, please? |
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| agneli | i think it is not :( |
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| pitriss | agneli: Okular? not as far as I'm aware of. But for PDF is kpdf more than enough. |
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| pitriss | For
pictures, ksquirrel is kinda light and powerful. And for plaintext
based things kate/kwrite.. So all basic types are IMO covered |
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| pitriss | There
are missing pieces, but most things is ok for daily use.. Things I am
missing are keepassxc compatible app (kwallet is not safe enough IMO),
good web browser core for konqueror and modern RSS agregator would be
nice. |
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| pitriss | Aaaand maybe proper support fo wpa_supplicant in that TDE wifi thingy |
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| pitriss | As Wicd is no longer in Chimaera/Bullseye |
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| pitriss | And
last thing that comes into my mind.. modern cores for the Kopete.. Sad
fact is, that Jabber in the plain form seems dead for some time already,
but support for Matrix, Tox, Jami are IMO way to breathe some future
into kopete again.. |
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| pitriss | I
really wish I could code in C++ on some usable level..:( First thing I
would do would be alternative backend for the kweather :D and then more
ambitious projects.. But.. Unfortunatelly I'm too much into unix
sysadmin things so my capacity is filled by this.. No time and brain
capacity for things like C++ :( |
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| denk | pitriss: EWANTTOOMUCH |
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| agneli | pitriss: what is wrong with kwather please? |
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| agneli | somebody told me that in Japan they use to say that if you do not have time for anything just take on another task... :) |
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| pitriss | agneli:
One simple thing.. It is based on airports report.. Airports in czech
are far from cities, on a plains and their report is most of the times
complete BS that can't be applied to the conditions in the city nearby. I
would love to choose one from various weather APIs and use it to show
conditions that match my place |
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| agneli | pitriss: that is a very fair point, I was not aware, thank you |
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| agneli | is there any way to check the location of my data source in kweather? |
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| pitriss | Its
all matching to local airports.. Its based on those airport codes
anyway.. Once I tried to spoof the source but its not worth the effort. |
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| agneli | yeah, it seems for me also the airports... |
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| pitriss | For czech those listed locations are all places with some sort of airport..:) |
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| agneli | thank you for the tip |
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| pitriss | Yw..
This is rendering that cool applet quite useless.. when it says foggy
but you can't see the screen because of too much sun is shining on your
screen.. :) |
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| pitriss | So i would love to have some sort of alternative backend that would read data from some sort of file with predefined syntax |
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| agneli | for me I have noticed just one small difference after few years of usage |
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| agneli | very often temperature is about 1 degree lower than it really is |
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| agneli | rest is pretty accurate |
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| pitriss | Not here.. |
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| pitriss | unfortunatelly.. |
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| agneli | well Czech is a very beautiful country with very nice people |
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| pitriss | And I am really willing to do that hard work with scripting to feed it with more relevant data :D |
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| agneli | bearing that in mind you can survive with some discrepancies in kweather :) |
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| pitriss | I
can.. I can look out of my window now as I moved to the house.. Its
pretty striaghtforward now.. But when you live in some upper floors,,
its not so obvious |
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| agneli | great! :) |
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| agneli | are you maybe fluent in efi firmware settings, please? |
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| pitriss | Unfortunatelly not.. And at the moment, Pi4 does not have EFI at all.. |
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| agneli | i am getting ready to throw the shit out of my window... |
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| cinnamint[n] | 20210401.0018:53
<agneli> very often temperature is about 1 degree lower than it
really is ## probably because the thermometers you are referencing are
in different places .. eg .. downtown is usually a bit warmer than the
airport |
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| cinnamint[n] | agneli: getting ready to throw the shit out of my window ## save it for me ? ;) and .. stop running efi software ! ;) |
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| APXX | You guys forked qt3 correct. How good is drawing tablet support on qt3? |
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| APXX | How good does TQt3 support non unix like operating systems like windows? |
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| agneli | Calculating
dependencies \ * ERROR: media-libs/lcms-1.19-r1::trinity-official
failed (depend phase): * No supported implementation in
PYTHON_COMPAT. |
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| agneli | gentoo |
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| agneli | what did I screw up? :) |
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| agneli | also
the issue I had like a half a year ago on arm/devuan with konsole
transparency now I have on amd64/gentoo/testing tde layout |
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| agneli | while
konsole is started with any of the schemas with transparency enabled it
does keep whatever was written/printed in the console |
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| agneli | so screen is basically garbled |
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| agneli | it appeared in the middel of the session after fresh start |
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| agneli | one konsole window was working ok |
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| agneli | and the second one produced the issue and it seems it is with me for good now :( |
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| agneli | I do not see any other applications affected |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | clear ## ? might help with the garble ? put it in your .profile .rc .whatever so it happens automatic every start |
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| OverLimit | ive seen a similar thing .. on old kfe 3.5+ probably .. trying to recal details |
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| OverLimit | but ya it was kind of random so not really predictable or explainable |
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| OverLimit | in a way it becomes a way to identify ' the real thing ' from an emulation |
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| OverLimit | or i need more sleep again ;) zzz |
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| OverLimit | |
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| agneli | both machines are similar in the respect of gpu, both using nvidia... |
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| agneli | but amd64 seems ok now, after few reboots... |
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| agneli | anybody not asleep who could comment at my gentoo upgrade error above, please? :) |
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| agneli | do I need some specific python version? |
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| selk | Hi guys! |
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| selk | I think I detected the problem that I am having trying to run TDE 14.0.9... |
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| selk | My distro set up does not use Consolekit, Logind, udisks*. It uses Udevil |
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| selk | What I see is that the WITH_UDEVIL is missing from the Cmake build options |
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| selk | The hardware library daemons seems to depend on the daemons mentioned above (consolekit, logind, udisks) |
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| selk | My build option for tdelibs and tdebase enables the options to build the TDE hardware library |
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| selk | and it produces a ksmserver crash when I try to start TDE for first time |
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| selk | This works if I disable the TDE hardware library from tdelibs/tdebase... |
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| selk | But this can have side-effects, like the power management options, hibernation, and I don't know what else |
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| pitriss | selk:
Nice. This looks like worth a bug report on gitea so it can serve other
gentoo guys around. And on other hand, if udevil provide drop in
replacement for the three systems it should be easy to modify build
recipe to match this |
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| SlavekB | As
far as I know, the above-mentioned consolekit, logind, udisks are only
optional == none of this does hard dependency. This is used via dbus
calls, if available. |
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| selk | This commit http://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/tdelibs/patch/?id=b6953843f5d84e806cdb8ecf50eb2ac58ee9e065 |
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| selk | sems to restore the options for UDEVIL, but I don't see it on tdelibs-14.0.9 :-/ |
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| selk | *seems |
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| selk | I will try to apply the patch... |
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| SlavekB | Build option for udevil is only available in master branch == future R14.1.0, not in stable branch r14.0.x. |
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| selk | Oh |
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| selk | Please, can you port it to the 14.0.x current branch? |
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| selk | I need it to publish the next beta of Dragora with TDE by default, if possible. |
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| selk | I need to check if it will work as expected... |
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| selk | Alternatively,
I can wait for the 14.1.0 release and continue building the rest of the
components to complete TDE (without the HWLIB support for now), in that
case I would be reporting bugs or creating possible patches (if I
remember correctly Chris told me that LibreSSL was not supported by tde
pim), things like that. |
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| selk | For when the next release is expected? |
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| SlavekB | The release of R14.1.0 does not yet have a specified date. |
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| SlavekB | The closest release will be R14.0.10, which should be at the end of April. |
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| MicheleC | @selk:
there are quite some differences between R14.0.x and R14.1.0 when it
comes to the part of the code related to the storage area |
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| selk | Back, sorry for the delay. |
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| selk | I think I will wait for 14.1.0, meanwhile I will try to complete the rest of the components of TDE (14.0.9 here) |
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| selk | I will be working in TDE without the HWLIB in order to proceed/look forward |
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| selk | It is late for me now, I will be back tomorrow. |
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| selk | Good night! o/ |
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| agneli | anybody willing to help me solve this: |
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| agneli | Calculating
dependencies - * ERROR: media-libs/lcms-1.19-r1::trinity-official
failed (depend phase): * No supported implementation in
PYTHON_COMPAT. |
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| agneli | please? :) |
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| cinnamint[n] | agneli: anybody willing ## i am but .. i dont have time for it :( |
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| cinnamint[n] | |
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| agneli | hehehe |
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| agneli | python 2.7 missing.... |
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| agneli | and since gentoo is going away with python 2.7 - will that be changed? :) |
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| agneli | i will change the ebuild for now and see if that would unleash hell |
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| agneli | Echhh so that was just a check emerge did not really want to upgrade tde... |
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| MicheleC | @agneli: python2 removal is definitely going to require some work in TDe :-) |
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| MicheleC | somehow it is on our radar, just don't know when yet |
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| MicheleC | @selk:
TDE R14.1.0 does not have a fixed release date yet, although we are
inching towards closing the remaining issues. You will probably have to
wait at least 12 months |
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| MicheleC | because I doubt we can finish it in 6 months time |
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| selk | Hello :) |
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| selk | is MicheleC here? |
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| RingtailedFox | hiya guys.. i'm getting an invalid MD5 sum when i try to add the 64-bit mageia 8 repository... |
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| RingtailedFox | it happens when i type sudo urpmi.addmedia trinity-noarch http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/rpm/mga8/trinity-r14/RPMS/noarch |
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| RingtailedFox | can someone check to make sure the MD5 hash is correct? |
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| SlavekB | RingtailedFox, you set urmpi to use wget or to use curl with the -L option? |
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| SlavekB | see |
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| SlavekB | https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/devels@trinitydesktop.org/message/ZHD3J2K3FNJ7CJOQPLK6OPN4SIJTT56I/ |
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| RingtailedFox | i don't know.. i just have urpmi using the default, i suppose. how do i check this? |
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| RingtailedFox | ahh yes, adding --wget wors |
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| RingtailedFox | *works |
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| RingtailedFox | thaks! |
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| RingtailedFox | *thanks |
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| agneli | guys what is the TDE screen capture program anybody remembers, please? :) |
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| SlavekB | ksnaphost |
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| SlavekB | ksnapshot |
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| agneli | thx SlavekB |
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| denk | ksnaphost could be another powerful tool |
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| OverLimit | it is ;) |
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| OverLimit | what features should it have ? |
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| OverLimit | ? start a snap chat server on your desktop ? |
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| OverLimit | ? take a ' picture ' of the current network states configurations buffers etc ? |
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| denk | take a full control of the target host :) |
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| sudodebian | hello |
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| OverLimit | i think they use wire shark and similar tools for that ? ksnaphost.desktop 'Exec=$( which wireshark )' ## ;) |
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| OverLimit | why do i have so many icons in various sizes for applications that are not even installed yet ;) |
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| sudodebian | for what ? |
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| OverLimit | well for example that wireshark shortcut i just made |
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| denk | wireshark requires a X-connection |
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| denk | snoop is better to do it |
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| sudodebian | but i have questions, do there is a way to modify konqueror of trinity,so its compatible with all modern Websites |
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| OverLimit | just an example |
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| OverLimit | sno |
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| OverLimit | no because |
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| OverLimit | some sites will have priprietary browsers needed |
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| sudodebian | i'm just 13 years old,so i can respond all of the questions |
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| sudodebian | cannot! |
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| sudodebian | forgot the word |
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| OverLimit | this is why many people will use multiple browser .. there is no singular browser that can do everything |
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| sudodebian | yeah i know |
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| OverLimit | good .. then you know how to answer your question .. no .. it is impossible |
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| sudodebian | well to bad, cause it look impresive for its time |
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| OverLimit | that does not mean you shoudl abandon it |
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| sudodebian | i use it for forums |
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| OverLimit | liek anything .. you pick your favorite .. and use your nont favortie only when you have to |
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| sudodebian | but does trinity has a forum ? |
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| OverLimit | probably ? idk ? denk ? does trinity has a forum ? |
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| sudodebian | yeah that would be a good idea |
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| sudodebian | @OverLimit, what is your linux distro that you use, Debian ? Ubuntu ? Fedora ? or Arch ? |
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| OverLimit | the original trinity distro .. knoppix 5.1.1 ;) |
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| sudodebian | oh cool :) |
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| OverLimit | so yes .. deban |
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| OverLimit | debian* |
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| sudodebian | debian is pretty cool, i have KDE 5 and TDE installed |
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| OverLimit | currently cheating with mint tho .. which is also debian |
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| OverLimit | i still need to find time to build myself a proper modern trinity setup |
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| OverLimit | exegnu is kind of ok .. but not perfect enuf for me .. q4os might be very nice .. but i hjave not hade time to experiment |
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| OverLimit | xfce is close enuf i guess |
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| OverLimit | |
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| sudodebian | for me trinity looks neat, it look like the mid-2000's desktop. Much Better Than Windows. |
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| sudodebian | the sounds are just amazing, better than Plasma |
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| OverLimit | try mint 19.0 if you want an easy live gui boot with almost zero hassles (: nothing is perfect ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| sudodebian | ok |
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| sudodebian | OverLimit do you have a Aim Phoenix account ? |
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| OverLimit | i do not do anything that requires email |
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| OverLimit | |
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| sudodebian | oh ok |
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| sudodebian | so you do not have a AIM Phoenix Account. |
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| sudodebian | well the email is just for the confirmation |
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| OverLimit | Konfirmation terminated ! ;) |
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| sudodebian_ | hello :) |
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| sudodebian_ | its possible to connect to gmail with kmail of trinity desktop environnement ? |
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| mirda | Hey all |
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| mirda | ah sudo went off.. gmail works in Kmail |
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| pitriss | Yeah I was about to answer too.. But when they can't wait for the answer.. |
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| OverLimit | well they did wait an hour and a half .. maybe they decided to try it instead of ask ;) |
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| OverLimit | |
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| OverLimit | s/ask/wait for an answer/ ;) |
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| mirda | I was in a job.. |
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| OverLimit | not your fault .. and i was asleep .. so ;) |
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| OverLimit | they probably have a false impression of how fast they can get an answer here normally from me yesterday ;) |
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| selk | Hi guys, |
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| selk | I am checking the list of optional dependencies for build TDE: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules |
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| selk | I see that an optional dependency is 'xmms' (tdeutils) |
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| selk | This is the old "xmms" (aka xmms1)? |
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| MicheleC | @selk: this page 'https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules' is quite outdated |
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| MicheleC | so what you find there may not be fully up to date |
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| MicheleC | xmms does not even ship amymore in debian. there is xmms2 |
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| MicheleC | if you want an updated "list" of dependencies, you can look at the debian/control" files in tde-packaging repo |
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| MicheleC | yes, it is specific to debian, but will give an idea of the dependencies required |
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| OverLimit | wtf ? how did you ' see ' that ? or should i say .. who did you see that .. with?thru ;) |
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| selk | Thanks, MicheleC |
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| selk | Late here, good night o/ |
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| alex5230 | Hi
everyone! I'm sorry to bother but I just installed TDE on top of Ubuntu
20.04 LTS and I'm having a few small problems with it, can I ask for
help here? |
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| Space_Man | alex5230: yes you can |
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| Space_Man | hang around |
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| alex5230 | good,
thanks. So I'm not a linux expert but I'm kinda familiar with it. I
have three main issues: 1- if the computer goes to sleep it doesn't wake
up whatsoever and I have to hard reboot. 2- I can't change the default
display configuration (i have two screens and one is vertical) because
every change screws up the gamma on the main HDMI display and |
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| alex5230 | I have to reboot. 3- there's heavy screen tearing (I have an AMD RX550 4GB, amd drivers are installed) |
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| pitriss | too
bad he left.. Best is to use Lxde or another xrandr gui to set it as
requested because yes. screen setting is messed up horribly withinn TDE |
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| pitriss | At least in PTB it is unusable.. only one thing that partially works is that krandrtray or how it is called |
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| SlavekB | tderandrtray
is useful, for example, on a laptop, where external monitors are
changed frequently == settings can be made ad-hoc using the tray menu. |
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| SlavekB | For
stable configuration - for example, on a desktop machine - it seems
better to set monitors at X server configuration == in xorg.conf. |
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| alex5230 | sry, I left because I'm new to IRC and not really used to it, however I read the archived logs so |
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| alex5230 | however I find out that if I login in GNOME and then logout and start a TDE Session the screen configuration is correct. |
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| alex5230 | it's a good enough workaroud for now |
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| alex5230 | rn the most annoying thing is the screen tearing, and I have no idea on how to fix that |
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| agneli | cat tdm.options |
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| agneli | # See tdm.options(5) for an explanation of the available options. |
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| agneli | man 5 tdm.options |
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| agneli | No manual entry for tdm.options in section 5 |
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| agneli | this is gentoo, using what I believe is official overlay... |
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| agneli | did I miss sth, pls? |
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| pluto2020 | Hello everybody. |
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| pluto2020 | Once again, I have trouble with trinity |
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| pluto2020 | Keyboard:
The keyboard-layout is wrong every time I start trinity. I have to set
it to german -> basic-layout, every time I start the computer |
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| pluto2020 | super-annoying |
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| pluto2020 | It actually is set to german, after bootup. But some keys don't work. For example the @-sign |
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| pluto2020 | Only after re-setting in the trinity-settings all keys work properly |
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| pluto2020 | 2nd:
I have trouble with k3b not detecting blu-ray-discs. I already found
out that I have to install cdrecord to replace wodim. However, it still
doesn't find bluray-discs. |
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| pluto2020 | Synaptics
package-manager reads k3b is a special trinity-version. That's why I
ask here. Might this be a bug in the trinity-version of k3b? |
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| pluto2020 | 3rd.:
Trinity is switching-off the monitor after 10 minutes of idle. When I
change this time in the settings, they don't get saved. I also tried
this as root. No change in effect. Monitor always gets switched-off
after 10 minutes. |
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| pluto2020 | 4th:
The volume- an multimedia-keys on my keyboard. I already got help with
this here, before. Sometimes the keys work, sometimes they don't. It got
better with the last trinity-update. Still: It's always a matter of
"luck" if the work today or not. |
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| pluto2020 | and
- last bot not least - Number 5: I tried an application called
komorebi. It is a animated desktop-app that uses gnome-shell (somehow). I
don't know details about his. I just installed gnome-shell,
gnome-tweaks, xdg-desktop-portal-gtk and nautilus to get it running.
However, the desktop-icons are missing. I also filed a bug-report there
but got no answer. This is just a nice-to-have feature, so I ask h |
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| pluto2020 | bout the relation between trinity and gnome-stuff. I don't know what might missing to get it to work. |
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| pluto2020 | The project's source is here: https://github.com/cheesecakeufo/komorebi/ |
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| pluto2020 | I
know that's a lot of stuff - 5 problems at once - but maybe I will get
help with one or two of them. since they are bugging me since a couple
of months already |
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| pluto2020 | Actually I like TDE a lot and don't want to replace it with something else ever! |
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| pluto2020 | So I hope my problem-report is helping in development |
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| srinn_v_ | how to install trinity on Gentoo? |
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| srinn_v__ | test |
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| agneli | god... |
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| agneli | what u guys are smoking back there? :) |
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| denk | they print the source code of tde and smoke it |
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| agneli | which is fine, but on that kind of materials they print it? plastic bags? :) |
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| denk | probably on a cannabic papyrus |
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| denk | look at the result :) |
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| cinnamint | agneli: what u guys are smoking back there? :) ## only the best righteous herbs and spices ;) |
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| cinnamint | was an amusing discussion in another channel .. could not resist ;) |
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| OverLimit | ?
how do i copy a file from my local machine into remote ssh i am logged
into .. scp maybe ? but what syntax ? or some other tool ? |
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| a-865 | is 14.0.10 in process of being uploaded now? Mirrors are awfully slow. |
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| a-865 | 30-50kb/s |
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| * OverLimit trys to run 4 different guis at the same time |
| OverLimit | maybe tomorrow .. need zzz |
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| MicheleC | R14.0.10 is out! |
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| denk | my congratulations to the team |
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| MicheleC | (y) |
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| pitriss | Congratz guys.. |
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| agneli | congratulations :) |
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| OverLimit | ? live 686 pae cd when ? ;) |
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| * OverLimit needs to write a script i suppose .. |
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| pitriss | You should ask Exegnu devs when they release new live CD.. Trinity devs don't provide any live cd direckty. |
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| SlavekB | I assume that we will prepare soon updated Ubuntu Focal CD, but it is only amd64. |
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| SlavekB | And I also assume that we will prepare an updated Slax with Trinity - this is both amd64 and i386. |
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| OverLimit | can 386 do pae ? |
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| OverLimit | amd64 will probably be ok for me too .. i suppose i should be able to build the i686pae version with it also |
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